h2-builds-and-combat

[plain fossil]

Oh if its just fear 2 u can do whatever, i like both aph and demeter on special a lot more than poseidon

[brave owl]

oh yea?

[plain fossil]

I swear only that haelian dude ever clicks poseidon on torches i find it kinda troll ngl

[brave owl]

im kinda tired of Posi tbh - might try Aph, haven't used her a ton yet

lol well it does work for a lot of stuff it seems, especially staff.

[plain fossil]

The aph build is a 4729103742839572810474720 dps glass cannon

[brave owl]

ok, lemme give Aph a try

[plain fossil]

I meant on mel torches

[plain fossil]

What ur aiming for is aph apollo demeter with aph special, demeter cast, apollo gain, heartthrobs, both apollo duos and the apollo legendary

[brave owl]

apollo gain? life gain?

[plain fossil]

Thats the magical christmas land setup and it kills chronos in 5 seconds but u typically have to compromise some

[plain fossil]

Eh what no mana gain lul u need some way to recover mana ur a special build

[brave owl]

lol nice description

[plain fossil]

If ur dying too much u can do what i do and sub for demeter special, which does about half the damage but is way safer

[brave owl]

ohhh im dumb, i havent played in a few days so i forgot some stuff. just got back from a trip to new orleans with the girlfriend and am easing back into the world and terms of Hades haha

im gonna shoot for what you put up there. Also, i have max arcana and use most of it on rerolls so maybe I can get most of it

[plain fossil]

If u search this channel for "pink aura" u will find lots of references to the aph mel torches build

[brave owl]

ty

ill let you know how it goes

im gonna take the kitty for that extra DD just in case

the apollo duos for both Aph and dem?

[tall notch]

play eos play eos play eos

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean did you get the 5th?

[steel sequoia]

congratz, i didnt knew 53m with 5 heroics was possible

ive played some pphone now and i miss charon tbh, its easier to setup and just slam stuff, also the hammers are better for charon

[brave owl]

like I said, a lot of that time was for a phone call and I didn't pause the game in a safe room. and I got rare crop early.

[steel sequoia]

rare crop is nice

[brave owl]

ok time to try for the "pink aura" build, here we goooo

[steel sequoia]

im from the pink aura gang srry

[brave owl]

epic Aph special in first room - a promising start.

[eager ivy]

whats the go to fear progression? which are the most tolerable choices?

[plain fossil]

Aspect and build dependent

[mint halo]

How do you keep track of legendary/duo prereqs when drafting? Just memory?

[steel sequoia]

https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app/

[zenith bolt]

generally i find speed, if you can adjust to it, is worth going for. speed +20% is not that bad imo, 40% is a bit more of an adjustment

[steel sequoia]

wikis and etc

[zenith bolt]

some duos i have the reqs memorized, others i just ss from boon book for my notes

[mint halo]

In particular, i keep failing the "one from three groups" ones because one of the groups usually has boons I don't like lol

[odd ruin]

question, with the arcana cards, is it impossible to have all 3 boon rarity rate ups active at once and still have it be good?

[tall notch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[frozen anvil]

is chronos a guardian

[brave owl]

welp. this might just be worth it.

https://postimg.cc/SnTgLpxG

[zenith bolt]

i have a few setups i bounce between, but this one has all rarities
10 rerolls, max boon rarities: 2, 7, 10-13, 16-22, 24 (switch 19 to 15 for strength. can also move 18 to 14 if you want to keep divinity with strength)

[brave owl]

you can also use the in game codex when you unlock it to look at duo requirements and what you have BEFORE you click on the boon to make your choice

[zenith bolt]

i think lovers is the top 1 arcana card tbh

[frozen anvil]

also, use the vow that permanently exile 2 boon choices

if you are hunting for something specific

[tall notch]

I love lovers

[steel sequoia]

i usually lurk for cast time and %dmg in chaos, aphro boons take care of the life

[iron flame]

which duos and legendarys do yall consider super strong or back breaking? i really love scalding vapor alot and feel it helps do a lot damage with hestia cast and you spam attack or special for slip/steam damage

[mint halo]

Actually this is my problem, I keep exiling all the boons I need for legendary lol

[iron flame]

i also like winter harvest with demeter

[iron flame]

if you are trying to go for a specific legendary or duo boon i just recommend doing rerolls if what they offer you will end up removing something ya need for that combo. like if you trying to get winter harvest (demeter legendary) and she offers you both weed killer and winter coat. you just got to use one of your 10 rerolls and hope for the best

[steel sequoia]

i like almost everything, i dislike the dem boom that make cast follows you

[frozen anvil]

you need to take the reroll arcana, just the one that rerolls boons

[steel sequoia]

and the zeus regen is quite painfull

[mint halo]

Oh. I am not using the reroll arcana lol

[tall notch]

The most powerful duo for me so far is spiteful strength (Hera+Heph)

Legendaries... I gueeeeeeeeess Apollo for the omega spam builds?

Or Poseidon for Poseidon builds

[iron flame]

oooh i was considering trying to use that duo to win a 32 fear run against eris. just get 200% attack damage increase and spin for the win

[steel sequoia]

srsly? i might have missed my dmg with it than

[tall notch]

It's good on weapons that want the high attack scaling and in builds that already want both Hera and Heph in their god pool

[civic ocean]

I did indeed get the 5th

and then immediately planked my next run

so the unofficial record is 5

[steel sequoia]

without fear i think the most strong duo should be Golden Rule?

[iron flame]

so i would assume like born gain + any of hephs that make ya tanker like magik to health and then axe spin for victory with than axe

[tall notch]

Spiteful Strength results in some really high hits on Eos, but honestly I am a bit torn on whether it's better to go for that or the hitch + high scaling attack

[spare kite]

Random but embryo can give chant lmao

[tall notch]

That's the aether infusion, right?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[steel sequoia]

Sunny Disposition is the most fun duo tho 🩷 🩷 🩷

[warped harness]

Apollo for specific builds is totally nuts, both in duos and in his legendary. Apollo/Aphro on torch builds in particular works very well. Poseidon Legendary is a run winner on a wep with high attack speed

[fierce imp]

Concentrated Flurry on Aspect of Mel doesn't do anything 🤔 damage is always the same. Any idea?

[warped harness]

Apollo Hestia seems weak on the surface though

[iron flame]

like daggers?

[civic ocean]

each knife deals the same damage in the omega special, or the omega special always deals the same damage?

[warped harness]

daggers, the staff as well

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1244834693183049760/image.png?ex=66568e26&is=66553ca6&hm=f30533b5761a2f32b69d5b3266bdfc22878982969783196e0988aeab1dc123cb&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1244834733104300113/image.png?ex=66568e30&is=66553cb0&hm=0f4c91509db2b2ec3457e4e2df930e8f629716387cc747c0a50f25a50382788b&

[warped harness]

h u h

most zeus duos kinda stink? iirc i cant think of one thats great for him

[steel sequoia]

i got a weaker one https://postimg.cc/JHbM74FK

[iron flame]

i see, im just trying to figure out soem builds to go for cause ims truggling a bit at 32 fear and i feel like its due to 1) not focusing on a build . cause personally for me 1 to like 20 fear is tough but i can go for a handful of strategies and be fine but once i pass the 20 fear mark i feel if i dont focus on good builds i start to suffer cause i dont do enough damage fast enough

[warped harness]

im waiting for someone to correct me in some regard and give me build ideas or something

[fierce imp]

Omega special always deals the same damage even though it should be +4 for each consecutive hit on the same foe

[brave owl]

5 what?

[civic ocean]

glorious disaster and thermal dynamics are both crazy

[iron flame]

i might try staff or dagger posedion, thanks for the suggestion hyper

[warped harness]

you could always use special spam staff with poseidon boons yea

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message 5 32 heat wins consecutively, one with every weapon

[mystic bison]

Glorious Disaster good for Charon/cast builds in general and Pos Zeus duo is good on Momus

[iron flame]

i do like momus staff so posedion special spam seems pretty funny

[warped harness]

ah true, thermal was which one? hestia?

[steel sequoia]

the worst of the worst is clearly King's Ransom always screws me

[plain fossil]

G L O R I O U S D I S A S T E R

[warped harness]

i cant stand the ransoms honestly

[civic ocean]

that's right

[warped harness]

glorious disaster is so silly

[brave owl]

oh, very cool

[warped harness]

i imagine thats nuts if you have slow cooker aq and are applying blitz consistently

[civic ocean]

I'm now up to 3 straight wins with Air Fryer Persephone Skull as well, and in this most recent run, I had to use 10 rerolls just to start with storm ring

[civic ocean]

just aq no need slow cooker iirc

[steel sequoia]

wish i knew how it works with Local Climate

[warped harness]

oh wow

[civic ocean]

favourably

[warped harness]

what is air fryer exactly i forget

[iron flame]

what pairs well with posedion for a 2nd god? i feel like hestia scalding vapor isnt bad or zeus killer current

[civic ocean]

Air Quality Scorch

[steel sequoia]

depends on weapon, usually hera

[tall notch]

Demeter+Heph pair with any third god

[warped harness]

hestia, heph for defensive boons is good at 32 heat in general. hera for born gain but on the staff its unecessary

[tall notch]

Like if you don't know what to build just pick a god you like and combine them with Demeter + Heph

[civic ocean]

I won at 32 on Melinoe staff today using the basic attack plus Wave Strike

The support gods were Aphrodite and Demeter, with Hearty Appetite, Life Affirmation, and Plentiful Forage

I fought Chronos with over 500 hp

[iron flame]

why demeter + heph?

[tall notch]

Very good defense + control

[civic ocean]

Poseidon covers your offenses

[warped harness]

^ slows, armor, an invuln, easier origination proccing

[plain fossil]

Demeter heph is the default i-dont-want-to-take-damage god combo

[iron flame]

fair enough i have noticed that heph gives me so much health or damage reduction and demeter frost always gives me breath of fresh air to dodge things easier. like drop a cast continue attacking and dodging

[spare kite]

let's go the embryo chant survived

[warped harness]

weed killer is also nice for omega attack builds, like the than axe or potentially the mel staff

oh and the torches ofc

[steel sequoia]

i wanna try sometime a dem+aphro heart build for the duo

with double up should be funnier

[tall notch]

Add an asterisk for the torches because you need to have a really solid mana base to consider playing weed killer

[iron flame]

so really for a posedion special attack staff build, i just try to get poseidon legendary and then just grab any demeter/heph defense boons like dont take damage for first hit, invunlerable for 8 seconds, more health, heph gain that reduces damage and refils my magik? just stuff like that. maybe go for hera just for born gain or just use the tarot card that gives ya 4 magik per second

[tall notch]

Just a rare born gain and 100-ish mana is nowhere near enough, you either need a ton of max mana or Chaos cost reductions

[warped harness]

oh yea

[plain fossil]

Ye weedkiller is hard to use ngl i almost never click it

[tall notch]

I'd only take it if Chaos blessed me

[zenith bolt]

higher rarity born gain can really make it for weed killer

[steel sequoia]

hearthrobs for the win

[tall notch]

I think it'd have to be pommed heroic and you'd have to be super careful about vow of arrogance

[steel sequoia]

its kinda sad that people rarely uses Hestia Controlled Burn, not easy to fit

[tall notch]

Was that the Hera+Hestia duo?

[steel sequoia]

no, its the omega special fireball

[tall notch]

Ohh that

[steel sequoia]

usually u dont want to pick hestia for omega special builds

[mystic bison]

Hera Hestia was scorch aoe while channeling IIRC

[tall notch]

@civic ocean do you play controlled burn on Persephone air fryer?

[tall notch]

Yeah I thought that was called controlled burn

[civic ocean]

My guess is no, since I don't know what that is. Is that the explode on death or the 90 when Ospec is used

[tall notch]

The 90

[civic ocean]

Oh yeah occasionally

[tall notch]

@steel sequoia it sees play look!

[civic ocean]

It's not core but its like fine

Today I swapped storm ring for smolder ring once AQ was up and that + lightning lance was insanely good against Chronos

Very easily got phase 2 of the fight to 1000+ scorch and just kept the cast on him so he couldn't run me down and focused on dodging

No DDs used, over 130k damage all scorch

[tall notch]

Were you even omegacasting at this point or just using the normal cast?

[civic ocean]

In Tartarus I would omegacast crowds

[tall notch]

Good stuff, Chronos just got fried 😄

[civic ocean]

It was a trade so it was +2 epic and eas applying 75 a second

How long do casts normally last, 3 seconds?

4?

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1244838813012983858/image.png?ex=665691fd&is=6655407d&hm=c977494a8770f72e09f3bc4615e888b8a2871a0646993727c880aa3c2b5cf722& last boon of the run lmfao (free aether)

[zenith bolt]

"enough to halfway charge axe spin" however long that is

[civic ocean]

It seemed tremendously powerful, which was a good tradeoff to not having thermal dynamics available due to bad luck with rerolls

[zenith bolt]

well, halfway charge axe spin and have every hit benefit from furies

[steel sequoia]

if its hera boon never pick it, i never recommend lmao

[civic ocean]

Natural Selection is so very strange to me because it seems like folly to get rid of those rewards if you are running Poseidon

[timber pawn]

East would definitely be interested in a breakdown of what you did. I think you and I had fairly different approaches to it

[spare kite]

hera already was in spare wealth by this point

[zenith bolt]

actively shooting yourself in the foot is fun or something - sgg probably

[spare kite]

just took it for the prophecy/literally before chronos but yeah is a ??? boon

ig the idea is that is even easier to find duos/legendaries now that the major finds only has boons

[zenith bolt]

white antler natural selection run when?

[plain fossil]

Idk i almost never click YES HAHA its not bad but almost always theres higher priorities

[spare kite]

but forsaking exists so

[tall notch]

It doesn't exclude poms so I guess you could be stacking those more effectively? Synergy with "HAHA YES"

[spare kite]

(it has the +rare or better so I assume it works like yarn and has a +10% to the other rarities)

[civic ocean]

I played:

• Pan Blades with suffering maxed 5 min timer heph start - I think this sucks and will be switching to Artemis once I get enough nightmare I just got lucky

• Pink Aura with Born Gain because it's really fun

• Charon with Tranquil Gain start (terrible, but fun) into double duo

• Persephone Storm Ring into Air Fryer

• Mel staff basic attack with Wave Strike + Hearty Appetite HP maxing with HAHA YES (I picked up a Cent heart in fields that gave me 86 HEALTH)

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1244840396106764328/image.png?ex=66569376&is=665541f6&hm=62cfdb68c82d64e3f2a0d0f56a9fd04df4e760d008bf937bb283e251da27f36c& chant is cool

[zenith bolt]

did you get the 1k hp dream

[civic ocean]

I wouldn't worry about trying to replicate what I do I just play for fun

[plain fossil]

Well exactly right like i want the legendary so thats 3 off the bat, then the infusion is good and only then am i gonna think about optional stuff like YES HAHA and flood control etc

[tall notch]

Nice omega damage

[civic ocean]

Or to like be good at my own dumb ideas

[zenith bolt]

double chant?? wtf save some chaos rng for the rest of us

[spare kite]

one was from embryo lmao

[zenith bolt]

surely next run i'll get barren defiance

[spare kite]

got creation, found common chant and took embryo into fields to see if I got another creation boon
then boom, epic chant

[timber pawn]

That last run sounds wild lmao

[civic ocean]

Poseidon is just completely busted man idk

[tall notch]

It was wild to watch trust me

[civic ocean]

I did so much damage

[tall notch]

I WAS THERE LIVE

[spare kite]

also I got betrayed by HAHAHA, YES this time, 0 procs

[timber pawn]

I tuned in for a bit but couldn't really pay attention between sets at the gym lol

[zenith bolt]

bro grabbed Single Up

[tall notch]

More like HAHAH, NO

[spare kite]

is bc I pissed him off in the trial I bet

[timber pawn]

I'm just just salty spiteful betrayed me. That eos run was so cursed

[umbral tangle]

i had such a fun run, 360 bouncy omega specials with the daggers, but doing a no card run for the prophecy and i didnt get the hitch special boon

[civic ocean]

I banned Poseidon for my climb to be able to win on 32 and I think since turning him back on I have won a 32 Momus run in 11 minutes for a guide and won a 32 with mel staff doing nothing but the basic attack

Bro is absolutely cracked

[zenith bolt]

dancing knives antisynergy with hook knives makes me sad

[timber pawn]

Ya, at least there's a lot of gods that are kinda broken lol, but I imagine poseidon might get a bit of an internal CD or something

[bleak night]

how do I ensure OBS recordings have audio? I managed to get a working controller input display, but I do need the audio

[tall notch]

You banned Poseidon and banned Born Gain at first, now you running both

[civic ocean]

But I wouldn't worry I think the way you play is way more thoughtful and so you should surpass 5 winstreak pretty fast I think

[zenith bolt]

need an audio capture

[civic ocean]

Yeah and I am the current known 32 rotating winstreak record holder after turning them back on what a surprise

[plain fossil]

I dont think poseidon needs a damage nerf particularly

I think what would be enough is making the poseidon the same hit as the originating hit

[bleak night]

yeah, I have it set to record desktop audio, not working th

[plain fossil]

It shouldnt remove 2 shields

[bleak night]

I'll mess around with it and test

[zenith bolt]

right click -> properties -> maybe change the audio source?

[civic ocean]

Mess around with it, do you have any audio editing software that is changing your sound at all

[bleak night]

nope, nothing else is open besides OBS and thegame

[civic ocean]

Right click on the 3 dots under desktop audio and change the properties

[zenith bolt]

typically i use application audio captures so it doesnt pick up background sounds from other stuff (e.g. discord pings)

[timber pawn]

Ya I mean wasn't planning to emulate your approach all of a sudden just kinda thinking about how to refine stuff

[plain fossil]

Also scorch attack and special are mega undertuned atm, heph is troll, and blitz is a % increase in disguise so if u want flat damage ur kinda locked into poseidon

[zenith bolt]

heph would be better if vent didn't actively punish you for using it

[civic ocean]

I think what I do well is I have a really good understanding of how to get the build I want - when to reroll, how to play Erebus without gains, what to value in shops and paths and stuff

It's like the adage about 1000 punches vs one air fryer that you practice 1000 times yknow

[timber pawn]

For sure. I am definitely fast and loose with rerolls in some runs

[plain fossil]

The good old -3 tilt reroll

[civic ocean]

I -4 tilt rerolled today but still got air fryer and the W

[flint tulip]

Is Aspect of Momus good or is it another Guan Yu thing

[plain fossil]

Yikers

[zenith bolt]

i simply spend all 10 of my rerolls on chaos every run because goddamn it i want barren

[civic ocean]

Momus is good for reasons unrelated to the healing, the base special power is crazy

[plain fossil]

When i do this thing the game punishes me by giving me only selene and mana pots forever

[flint tulip]

Gotcha so do you just do a Special spam build or do you rely on the Omegas?

[plain fossil]

Special spam

[bleak night]

@civic ocean @zenith bolt Audio Quality is kinda grainy, but it does work now. I can just try to edit some settings. Thanks. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244843231884214363/test_video.mp4?ex=6656961a&is=6655449a&hm=3083f3d5669d8ff4988cd0bbefda80cbddf404216ca2971e29ce30fa8298809f&

[plain fossil]

Im sure someone has a momus run they can link but they all look the same

[zenith bolt]

audio seems quite loud

[plain fossil]

Hide offscreen and spam special till ur brain turns into scrambled egg

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml# heres a build guide

[bleak night]

Yeah, I do need to edit the specifics for it for now. Issue for me is I don't know how it sounds until I actually see recordings

[civic ocean]

Basically you use antler poseidon huntress strength and do 200 dmg a pop from forever away

[timber pawn]

I am wondering if I should do 10 rerolls for my spiteful runs just to really make sure I'm getting it. Just not sure what I'd take out for boatman

[civic ocean]

I don't play 10 rerolls on my Spiteful build tbh

[plain fossil]

What are the other expensive arcana u run

[civic ocean]

I only play the 7

[plain fossil]

U got ss?

[zenith bolt]

you mean 6

[civic ocean]

Do you change your arcana per wep? That's another thing is I want to use all of the Arcana and Fear so I change it up a lot

[timber pawn]

I'd have to boot the game back up and I think I'm done for the day

[plain fossil]

Ok cool

[civic ocean]

Yeah 6 whatevs

[plain fossil]

Arcana set saving when

[timber pawn]

I approach it differently depending on whether the weapon needs mp but that's kinda it

[past pewter]

Momus is incredibly safe without the hp and healing reduction, as well as doing loads of DPS

[civic ocean]

The only Arcana I never use are Night, Death, Excellence, Divinity, and Judgement. Queen too maybe idr

[bleak night]

is this any better, audio-wise ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244844118169882686/test_2.mp4?ex=665696ed&is=6655456d&hm=ab66da4c0c4893b79417098a3af8c69bfb20cef4aa566748481ad68ee08844dd&

[civic ocean]

Loudge

[bleak night]

Oh, hm

[timber pawn]

Ya at 32 I'm never using rarity

[plain fossil]

Well surely u would also redo for white antler

[bleak night]

do I just manually turn that down somewhere ? It definitely doesn't sound grainy any more at least

[civic ocean]

You can turn down the slider under desktop audio

[wild pine]

I just played an Eos run with Blitz special, freeze cast, and splash attack, plus chain lightning, ranged cast, and the apocalyptic storm duo. About the only thing I wanted but couldn't get was cyclone cast, but I got the dash.

Was pretty hilarious to melt everyone by dropping an instant ranged aoe freeze and then spam-blitzing them through the double curse aura. Only problem was, that I couldn't see what the heck was going on

[zenith bolt]

nemesis is a true born gain hater https://i.imgur.com/soL67M3.jpeg

[bleak night]

55% should be fine ?

[wild pine]

Most garishly screen-filling build I have ever achieved

[tall notch]

Eos. Gaming.

[timber pawn]

The runs I use antler I just happen to be below 30 hp lmao, but ya I should have a dedicated antler setup. Idk what that would look like

[civic ocean]

Eh u just do it until ppl say too quiet then turn up then turn down when they say too loudge

[tall notch]

Get rid of titan if the weapon doesn't need mana, fit in strength somehow

[bleak night]

fair. Also, white or black controller on the screen ?

[wild pine]

turns out I should've been on Mel. Once I used phial to turn my cast heroic I never had to attack non-boss mobs again

[civic ocean]

Black ofc

[bleak night]

or should I just get a lime green background on it for visibility

[zenith bolt]

kinda chillin this run tbh https://i.imgur.com/Ktu9I2H.jpeg

[plain fossil]

I click death sometimes, 10% dps isnt that bad

[timber pawn]

I pretty much always have strength on. Whichever one adds 5hp/location is tough to turn off since it's a 0 cost isn't it

[plain fossil]

Na its 1

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244662882507952169/1244685512699023370/chaos__revenants.mp4?ex=66560337&is=6654b1b7&hm=175bd6979d6432106fff402fa79638576906a8a4fbc3315e60378a0fe6a1082d& sometimes with Dem cast I'll also get these rooms where I straight up don't have space to attack

[civic ocean]

Centaur is 0

[plain fossil]

Oh did they mean that not the wayward one

[tall notch]

Yeah to get rid of centaur you either do the no centaur save file or you don't run one of the mana costs

[zenith bolt]

4 hp/location is wayward son, 5 hp and magick every 5 locations is centaur

[tall notch]

Momus/Eos can get rid of their 1-costs if you really have to, I'd guess Medea can too

[timber pawn]

OH right. That's what people mean by no centaur lol

[zenith bolt]

40% speed total eclipse
im sobbing bros

[tall notch]

Are you a sheep?

[plain fossil]

U can have my sprint arcana when u pry it from my cold dead hands

[zenith bolt]

not yet but i probably will be bc i always screw up the polymorph dodge

[wild pine]

I only just realized that if melinoe gets sheeped she can still kill all the witches by ramming exploding trees

[timber pawn]

I am a frog crutcher

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/F9hQpTl.png

[plain fossil]

It takes a few runs to remember hide behind frinos but once u do its ez

[timber pawn]

Ya its pretty neat design in that way

[plain fossil]

I am also a filthy frog crutcher

[zenith bolt]

im using cat bc i want bones, no frog to crutch on

[tall notch]

I can only do it somewhat consistent at 40% speed if I get projectile speed decrease. Even then I'll get it mayyybe 50% of the time

Without projectile speed decrease I'll just eat it and try to live

[plain fossil]

Frinos op

[tall notch]

(talking antler runs ofc, if it's not antler I'll just take the frog)

[wild pine]

I also only just realized that as long as you hold down the cast button you can dash, dash-strike, or even throw out a special in the middle of channeling your omega cast and still complete the channel afterwards

[zenith bolt]

chaos would never give me barren https://i.imgur.com/I5gEUPL.png

[timber pawn]

Sprint speed would also do the trick I imagine

[plain fossil]

Hecate has special dialogue if u kite the sheep projectile into an add but its rly hard

[tall notch]

Mayyybe but it's hard to stack meaningful sprint speed in Erebus

[flint tulip]

Change anything for the Surface?

[tall notch]

And my antler setups drop swift runner

[zenith bolt]

bleh, this is fine though https://i.imgur.com/9cfzf6H.png

[wild pine]

I believe the card and a decent rarity apollo dash was sufficient to outrun it

[timber pawn]

Basically just Apollo sprint, also spooky no swift runner

[plain fossil]

I actually cannot drop swift runner i tried a couple runs with antler momus and kept dying in erebus lmao

[civic ocean]

Idk probably not, I don't play surface much atm but Poseidon Antler should do fine

[timber pawn]

Did you record your full 43 eos run btw?

[plain fossil]

Every timing feels wrong

[tall notch]

Yeah it's up

[plain fossil]

Ur like I CAN GET OFF ONE MORE SPECIAL then dead

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CD40s-zK-w

[violet temple]

I keep getting cooked on 32 fear surface cuz I never get the double special hammer 💀

[zenith bolt]

sure ok 1 magick omegas https://i.imgur.com/eNxGIXr.png

[civic ocean]

I have two days now to figure out how to make thumbnails like a real youtuber

[zenith bolt]

weed killer it is, then

[timber pawn]

Big text and a dumb face seems to be the meta

[civic ocean]

Big text dumb face some icoms

[timber pawn]

Copy haelians format

[civic ocean]

3 STRAIGHT WINS ON AIR FRYER SKULL!?!? HAELIAN SAID THIS WAS BAD!?!?

[spare kite]

went to play Mel staff and ended up with a momus build lmfao

[tall notch]

Should I have titled my video "clearing 43 fear with a C-tier weapon" for that Haelian clickbait?

[civic ocean]

I mean I don't want to make clickbait

But I would like people to click on it

[spare kite]

got the icarus that primes 20mp for 20 special power so is the same as my current momus staff

[plain fossil]

Air fryer skull? Whats the setup

And how do u not die

[civic ocean]

Persephone storm ring then wind then air fryer then thermal dynamics if ur goated

You don't die by dealing a bunch of scorch and ranged cast damage and running away

[spare kite]

daily message that momus is disgusting, this was supposed to be fo2 eris pratice

[tall notch]

It feels nowhere nearly as smooth but i feel surprisingly safe without swiftrunner. Extra iframes kinda compensate for the sluggish feeling

[plain fossil]

Is this like one of those builds where the only button u press for 20 minutes is cast

[civic ocean]

No I press attack a lot in erebus

[plain fossil]

Ok well im mystified but if it clears it clears

U got video?

[civic ocean]

I do this thing where I drop the Omega cast down on one side of erebus and then go to the other side and spam skull shots

[tall notch]

I played Zeus cast pers skull without air fryer transition later on and it kinda works at 32?

That cast hits hard and because it's blasting right away it's alright at clearing

[civic ocean]

https://youtu.be/yNUDxR1v6jI this first one, two more coming

[zenith bolt]

hera dem my beloved https://i.imgur.com/w1eaEil.png

[timber pawn]

Love it

[tall notch]

Also did someone ping me and get nuked by language bot? Or am I seeing things

[timber pawn]

Ya this was my best persephone run till my recent one where I hit spiteful in erebus

[timber pawn]

I think it was me lol

I don't remember what I wanted to say

[tall notch]

Lol

Language bot killing conversation smh

[odd ruin]

question, I'm a little confused on what the family trade boon does from hera, anyone mind explaining it a bit?

[plain fossil]

A sacrifice boon is one that removes one of your five core boons (on the left side of your ingame ui) and replaces with a higher tier boon of a different god

[bleak night]

Alright, I think I can make videos with fighting game style button inputs now

[odd ruin]

ok, thanks

[plain fossil]

Thats probably all the info required to understand i would think

[odd ruin]

so in other words its garbage

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1244847576558338068/image.png?ex=66569a26&is=665548a6&hm=92e82a6f7ebd002e9e488ad8e761a267904ff15a8d53a9a4747efa4250779d07& nice mel staff run

[plain fossil]

Uh sacrifice boons themselves can be fine but family trade itself is very rarely worth the boon slot on top

[tall notch]

There are situations where it can be amazing but that requires you picking up a suboptimal boon earlier in the first place

Very niche

[spare kite]

ideally you get a cast swap ig? those tend to have better pom scaling, but why wouldn't you have your ideal cast from the start anyways

[plain fossil]

I know ppl here disagree but i rly do not like hera outside of born gain and earth swirlies

[zenith bolt]

pretty stacked run https://i.imgur.com/zBTq6co.png

[plain fossil]

Wat dis, eos?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

hmm which level 4 keepsake to take

[tall notch]

EOS

[zenith bolt]

maybe just evil eye? i dont think im gonna get blackened fleece activated before chronos anyway

[plain fossil]

If ur evil eye is set to chronos or hourglass then ye sure

[zenith bolt]

meh it looks better in a screenshot to use fleece anyway

[split igloo]

is there a way to skip charybdis it makes me eat all my lives before eris

[plain fossil]

Fleece bit sketchy on %boon setups

[plain fossil]

Click -projectile speed from medea or hermes

[spare kite]

aw rip, can't save scum nightmares like titan blood if I mess up

[tall notch]

Fleece is gonna look cool

[violet temple]

demeter vortex is also good too

[tall notch]

Even if not optimal

[zenith bolt]

chant from chaos, sure i'll take it

[plain fossil]

Its almost the same as skipping the fight except u still have to spend 45 seconds killing the boss and u get the reward

[wild pine]

Is "Air Fryer" just referring the any Air Quality/Scorch interaction? How often does Scorch tick anyway?

[plain fossil]

6.66 times per second, as best as i can tell

So its multiplicative 400% more damage

Im not sure whether hestia legendary changes tickrate or damage per tick i should check that

[civic ocean]

Based on what Choco mined

It's 40 dps ticked 6 times according to le codege

[civic ocean]

I think in tests sometimes there's an extra tick in there so conservatively every time it removes 40 scorch (one per second) it deals 180 damage

[plain fossil]

Well if theres an extra tick its between 6 and 7 i guess i should up framerate on obs

[civic ocean]

180 is 30x6 so that's the conservative estimate

[plain fossil]

That said i dont think it makes a ton of difference what the actual number is as long as we all agree approximately

[zenith bolt]

icing on the cake for this run https://i.imgur.com/66gyyOa.png

[tall notch]

Such a cool run!

[plain fossil]

Winter harvest is pretty aight hey

The aoe isnt really that relevant but the damage is nice for 1 point and sometimes the aoe blows up packs of those little yellow dudes in fields or wolf heads and u feel good about urself for a sec

[wild pine]

Ty

[plain fossil]

I think the only legendary i havent clicked outside of 0 fear meme runs is heph

Which seems terrible but some ppl had ideas?

[sour cape]

Its kinda hard to spread Scorch for air fryer

[tall notch]

Aoe chain reactions are something you can get without building a whole legendary, harvest is mostly good at negating one point of that health vow

[zenith bolt]

i literally just was throwing like not even trying to dodge during chronos 👍 still won

[sour cape]

Maybe if take scorch cast?

But then its really bad before you get Air Quality

Since the attack boons only proc 15 scorch per hit

[plain fossil]

Well winter harvest is something u often just kinda get by accident like all the pieces are legit

[zenith bolt]

sick run though https://i.imgur.com/TX7WjbM.jpeg

[plain fossil]

Or at least i do, i am a cold storage enjoyer

[zenith bolt]

i actually accidentally iframed instakill a couple times trying to pull shades in for eos LOL

also plentiful forage deniers in shambles (i got like 80 hp from it this run)

[plain fossil]

iframing oneshots is much less exciting when they hit for 15 lul

[plain fossil]

That is heroic plentiful forage tbf lulw

[ionic moon]

were you running shovel?

[zenith bolt]

no

it's probably a lot better if you do though

[ionic moon]

plentiful storage shovel meta lmao

[zenith bolt]

trip earths plentiful forage shovel meta

[timber pawn]

I had a 32 run where I got an epic forage and got a similar amount of hp it was pretty sweet

[tall notch]

I find it hard to assemble with forsaking because I want both freeze cast and cyclone cast usually

So I'll forsake too many prerequisites

[zenith bolt]

i have a little aneurysm every time i see someone say shovel is comparable to fishing rod for bones

like it comes up decently often and it's very annoying that people think that they're even close https://i.imgur.com/dgm8uBp.png

even the worst fish are better than the best plants

[ionic moon]

but like... after you eventually unlock everything, there really is no reason to not run shovel, huh

[sour cape]

Well those arent the worst fish

[brave owl]

My first "pink aura" run was pretty cool 🙂

https://imgur.com/a/gzyzZIy

[zenith bolt]

worst fish is moper, and it's worth 21. thalamus is worth 19

[plain fossil]

I dont disagree with that but i prioritize cold storage over cyclone cast on a lot of weapons because it makes rooms SO much easier

[zenith bolt]

• also plants are limited by timer

[sour cape]

Yea thalamus is really rare

Yea freeze durations really nice, Cyclone does slow projectiles though

[tall notch]

Cyclone cast is amazing for these +60% mobs rooms because of how many projectiles are flying around. Usually when something hits me on Eos it's a random speedy projectile

[plain fossil]

Cyclone is rly good and i pick it a lot

[sour cape]

its too bad all these good Demeter buffs are Water 😭

[plain fossil]

I just like four second stuns more

[zenith bolt]

enlightened plentiful forage enjoyers

[sour cape]

Though Earth isnt bad either

[zenith bolt]

also rare crop is earth

[sour cape]

But her water buffs are better

[zenith bolt]

also winter coat is earth
and weed killer

[sour cape]

I always seem to get that right in Tartarus

[zenith bolt]

like the only things demeter has that aren't earth are things that inflict freeze or cyclone

[sour cape]

Yea the freeze and cyclone stuff I like to get early

for origination

[zenith bolt]

starting to think demeter is top 3 honestly

[sour cape]

so its hard fitting in her Earth buffs

[zenith bolt]

like pos hera dem as top 3

[brave owl]

i got a tearjerker fish worth 68 bones - that was pretty cool

[sour cape]

Yea Demeter is one of best gods/goddesses

Yea Poseidon just carried by the weapons

But Demeter is good regardless of weapob

[tall notch]

I'm torn on Dem and Heph being third. His support is better than Dem support but her core boons are actually good

[zenith bolt]

apollo/aphrodite/hephaestus all occupy 4-6 randomly depending on my mood

[plain fossil]

Im not sure what my top 3 is but its demeter poseidon in that order then 3 is probably heph

[zenith bolt]

zeus and hestia tie for last imo

[sour cape]

I have a hard time ranking

[tall notch]

Heph is so weird to rate. Like i love half his kit and hate the other half

[sour cape]

But would agree Demeter, Poseidon the best ones

[zenith bolt]

if they made vent good then his blast stuff would be viable i think

[tall notch]

So is he statistically an average god?

[zenith bolt]

rn it's just slap onto whatever attack you're not using for a little extra dps here and there

[plain fossil]

Like in terms of the god that ends up in the most builds its demeter by a mile for me

[brave owl]

@tall notch Remember, the game designer thinks hes a bit strong and "needs some work"

[sour cape]

Yea Poseidon is just really good when he's good

[brave owl]

according to that interview they did

[sour cape]

and not so good when weapon doesnt fit

Honestly Aphro and Hestia Id rate the lowest if I had to

[zenith bolt]

at higher fear hephaestus gets more and more valuable with his armor boons

[sour cape]

Aphros heal boons are too win more

[tall notch]

Every god has a home where they're incredibly valuable

[sour cape]

And her attacks are quite conditional and not thaaat much more dmg in practice since % dmg is easy to get

[plain fossil]

Aph special numbers are much higher fwiw

[sour cape]

Yea her special numbers are a lot higher than attaco

But a lotta specials are fast hitting stuff

[brave owl]

I accidentally did my pink aura run with the wrong torch aspect and it was still a piece of cake with Aph and Apollo like you told me @plain fossil

[sour cape]

Or like long ranged things

Prob Aphro for Skull Special is good value though

[tall notch]

Is there a special that is good at close range and doesn't work better with Poseidon?

[plain fossil]

Happy to help, like i said earlier im more of a demeter special enjoyer on mel torches but the aph build is very popular here and its strong esp at low-mid heat

[sour cape]

Skull always procs close

[zenith bolt]

skull omega special maybe?

[plain fossil]

literally talking about one now 🙂

[sour cape]

But like do yoy play skull with spamming Omega?

[zenith bolt]

skull special is probably more with aphro in general, especially if you get colossus tackle

[tall notch]

Oh yeah skull I guess

[plain fossil]

Well i was talking about torches

[zenith bolt]

mel torches prefers aphro i think for heartthrobs

[plain fossil]

But sure skull too

[tall notch]

Omg pink aura

I forgot 😭

[sour cape]

Aphro on Torches trial made me rank her down

[civic ocean]

I think this is probably my defninitive god tier list https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1244856528729804801/AQbVBaWPbsVAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=6656a27c&is=665550fc&hm=7ae0c487173d3df34cf376c2321179a996c1773860d3102e0e71d3cce1d68387&

[brave owl]

And I had crap hammers with my pink aura run with the wrong aspect…still melted chronos

[zenith bolt]

i forgot pg13
that's bc it's eos and glamour gain does nothing* on eos

[zenith bolt]

the only time selene is ever gonna sit in S

[sour cape]

Yea its mainly the mana boons fault

Run out of magick really fast and then feels bad

[flat epoch]

Question: What boons should I be picking up if I wanna try out Eos?

[brave owl]

Oh yea moon water + aph’s “more damage at higher health” boon was a winning combo

Moon water is so broken

Especially when you get into the path of stars.

[tall notch]

Hera is gonna be the best to start out with. Born gain and attack both very good on Eos

[zenith bolt]

moon water, total eclipse (with upgrades), and very conditionally lunar ray are good

[flat epoch]

🫡 I'll take heed from the resident eos enjoyer

[sour cape]

Going into Chronos with 16 stacks of Moonwater and 2s invulnerability, Coarse Grit, and a high magic spend weapon

[plain fossil]

Maybe the secret to selene is to just only play with vow of scars turned off

[zenith bolt]

to the lunar ray point: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1244361162775334932/lunar_ray_not_being_trash_for_once.mp4?ex=665626a4&is=6654d524&hm=e69369f42b8424062e00678bdefe67d58c6151228d4bce600fb87e4d9293273c&

[spare kite]

this joke never gets old

[sour cape]

Yea vow of scars is pretty punishing for Moonwater

[brave owl]

OP

[zenith bolt]

night bloom has its moments against chronos and cerberus, but rng reliant for both

[plain fossil]

Im currently going through a kick of only playing 0 mana builds so selene start is extra oniony

[sour cape]

Total Eclipse is good if you get the invuln

But like you also cant guarantee get that Path upgrade

[tall notch]

Lunar Ray goes hard with antler because it does genuinely good dps with the crits

[sour cape]

and if dont get it, its kinda brick

Time slow is really nice for everything not Chronos

[zenith bolt]

total eclipse is fine without the upgrade like just as a passive extra 1k damage every now and then

[sour cape]

its 200 magick which is a lot

[zenith bolt]

weapon dependent i suppose

[plain fossil]

It does ok damage anyway the issue as always is it needs specific path of stars to be better than just not pressing the button

[sour cape]

yea Lunar Ray is like brick without the self firing

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244662882507952169/1244664340024528977/korb.mp4?ex=6656983f&is=665546bf&hm=d2ee353833260da308c0c8b7a427e5920d186947fb2f9e0872ba95f3c5e3a457&
Ress hex my beloved

[brave owl]

Yall ever use that path of stars trinket?
Jkjk don’t hurt me

I did once as a young, ignorant lad.

[plain fossil]

The last time i clicked res hex it gave me summoner rat

And then chronos hit me

[sour cape]

Hey during Haste Trial, it almost carried me to a win vs Cerb

[bleak night]

Thoughts on the bottom right? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244858231520755775/command_button.mp4?ex=6656a412&is=66555292&hm=ca67b7452ffb9f5bbecd365a434891ba783c16c10b1c7758de92f436e5462c7e&

[sour cape]

reviving the puncher guy who dealt like 2k dmg, but I still lost 😭

[zenith bolt]

moon beam would be a lot better if it was like +7 upgrades so i could actually have a cool hex before mid-tartarus

[plain fossil]

Useful for labbing prolly

[brave owl]

By the time 1.0 comes out, we gonna have so many plants and seeds and useless dust and mats - hope they give us something to do with it

[bleak night]

I think it'll be really good for when I send videos here

[spare kite]

sheep hex also can make the tentacles in the charIforgottheirname miniboss stay for longer (prob unintended tho)

[zenith bolt]

i imagine they'll implement some resource sink like the ranks from h1

[sour cape]

Slow Time really messes up Eris

[spare kite]

oh yeah phase shift is hilarious on eris

[zenith bolt]

charybdis, the fish is called charybdis

[civic ocean]

Charbdeezbutz

[zenith bolt]

hadeez 2

[sour cape]

Would Eris just see Mel like moving really fast?

[spare kite]

also wolf howl crit is nice (if you can use it well, and if it shows up )

[brave owl]

I thought she was a main boss as I got her on my first surface run - and beat her first try. Was sad to see she wasn’t in fact a main boss.

[civic ocean]

The satyrs just see Chronos and Mel DBZ fighting

[zenith bolt]

yeah probably

[sour cape]

I dont think ive ever picked Wolf Howl

[zenith bolt]

wolf howl is kinda ass but not as bad as dark side is

[sour cape]

Hex does cancel Chronos's time slow thing

[brave owl]

You not missing nothing

[spare kite]

dark side is top 8 hexes for sure

[potent mica]

Quick question (hi, i’m new! :) ) People DO know that Frinos can be used to absorb more than just damage right?

Like, it’s an excellent counter to Hecate’s Morph curse (absorbs it, so you never actually turn into a sheep), and with one of Circe’s boons, you get almost +120 health? (Just had that build earlier today.)

[sour cape]

but thats completely useless since you stay still for the time you would be slowed anyways

[civic ocean]

You are missing a chance to howl at the moon

Arooooo

[zenith bolt]

yeah i think frinos blocking polymorph is only discussed about once every 10 minutes in this server

[plain fossil]

Wolf howl is aight its the only hex with actual iframes and u can set urself up for the big guaranteed crit after

[brave owl]

We have an Ozzy Osbourne album with Randy Rhoads on guitar for that thank you very much

[zenith bolt]

i dont think i've ever taken twilight curse outside of for fated list

[spare kite]

my most picked is prob wolf/water then followed by meteor/revive

[potent mica]

Hey a lot of people NOT on the Discord still don’t know your sheep-form can attack the witches shrugs

[zenith bolt]

im more focused on dodging +40% speed total eclipse war flashbacks

[tall notch]

Attacking the trees is probably more likely to be useful than melee hitting witches for 5 dmg

[potent mica]

I like Wolf Howl personally - the path of stars upgrade when it’s got max upgrades REALLY makes it powerful.

[tall notch]

The trees can actually kill them if destroyed

[plain fossil]

Ye idk how u all find time to hit stuff im just trying not to die to hyper turbo total eclipse

[zenith bolt]

+40% speed total eclipse is actually like undodgeable if you get sheeped and then like good luck avoiding getting sheeped

[potent mica]

I haven’t beat Chronos yet - although I’ve managed to beat Eris! 😂🫠

[plain fossil]

Always nice when u see expanding ring in first immunity phase and ur like yay i can unpause the podcast

[potent mica]

Don’t ask me how, it doesn’t make sense to me either. My dialogs are chaos.

[brave owl]

Ok time to go catch up on some YT videos and read some. See yall fine folks later

[potent mica]

(Sorry, I was assuming the over-powerful Eclipse was as a result of the Testaments)

[tall notch]

You have to iframe that thing to have any chance as a sheep

[zenith bolt]

fr

[tall notch]

And then gl avoiding random witch bolts

[potent mica]

pssst What does ifram-ing mean?

[zenith bolt]

iframes = time during something (like your dash) where you don't take damage

short for "invulnerability/invincibility frames"

[plain fossil]

Ur dash makes u invulnerable for like 1/6 of a second or so, u can time that during damage instances to not take damage

[tall notch]

Stands for invulnerability frames I believe? pajama beat me to it

[sour cape]

the real mvp

[sour cape]

Really? It feels longer than that

[limber dock]

wtb athena dash

[lusty heron]

So for max bones i should equip the spade use the cat as familiar right ?

[zenith bolt]

example of iframing something https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1244860988545564743/instakill_iframe.mp4?ex=6656a6a4&is=66555524&hm=21456a84a0f8ec2f43cfb188dccb12312897904081991e55e76143600d2849fb&

[tall notch]

Poseidon keepsake for HAHA YES and 10 rerolls to turn every material into bones too

[lusty heron]

True

[sour cape]

Max bones use fishing rod I think

Get more fishing spots

[lusty heron]

Does toula not get the better fishing points ?

Just from my frinos rod runs it seems pretty even

[sour cape]

I heard fishing rod + Toula is still more than Toula alone but idk

[lusty heron]

So i assumed its the same

[tall notch]

I think she does it too, and since you're not running frog you could play antler for super fast runs

[sour cape]

Antler do you change Arcana?

[civic ocean]

go hard on fishing rod, also go to chaos whenever you can since they have a high chance

[zenith bolt]

toula can get the rarer fish

[tall notch]

Yeah

[sour cape]

I see

[lusty heron]

It just sounds like selling the plants + toula is more then double rod

[sour cape]

Hmmm so can Poseidon splash crit or not?

[zenith bolt]

plants are slow and not very valuable, fishing rod gives you more fish which is better

[sour cape]

Or is it that Death doesn't help Pan Poseidon crit on Omega special?

[limber dock]

poseidon demeter shovel build

[tall notch]

I'm tired, gn guys!!

[lusty heron]

So you get double fish with toula and rod ? Are you sure ?

[zenith bolt]

afaik they stack

[limber dock]

but you stack up seeds

[zenith bolt]

it's not double but they stack. regardless, fishing rod is giving you much more weight to fish than toula is (toula is mainly just there so you don't have to play the minigame)

[limber dock]

then run fishing rod be effecient

[lusty heron]

Frinos seemed to spawn alot of shades though

[bleak night]

Anything I can do to improve this or is it alright now ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244863683876622446/setup.mp4?ex=6656a926&is=665557a6&hm=b8ee3d39d29943d30aac74125ad8f801d737f2a6eff432ea2873a7988a44ac47&

[odd ruin]

man, I really underestimated Poseidon

[zenith bolt]

seems legit

audio is good too 👍

[bleak night]

Trying to go for something that isn't too cluttering

so I only put the buttons that do something

[zenith bolt]

i have a hotkey to start/stop record (i use divide, which is the / on numpad)

avoids needing to alt tab for it

[bleak night]

ah, true

[low hill]

How do I use Ygnium? I'm solid with every other weapon, but I feel like this one just sucks and can't figure out how to get decent damage with it.

[plain fossil]

I feel like we need to pin a couple of torch guides theres like 5 questions a day on how to torches

[low hill]

Might be a sign that the weapon needs a rework, no?

[plain fossil]

In general u got 2 options, eos omega attack and mel omega special

Eos omega attack is very strong and most ppl here would consider it a top aspect for high fear

[low hill]

What're the best boons for Eos?

[plain fossil]

Mel omega special is high damage low survivability

[plain fossil]

The favourite build here is to start hera keepsake click hera attack + born gain, click demeter cast, click hephaestus and aim for coarse grit + all the defensive heph demeter stuff

[zenith bolt]

generic triple earths/hera dem is good enough
start hera and grab born gain, 2nd area grab dem and go for coarse grit
good takes are hera attack, demeter cast (and cyclone cast)

[low hill]

Cool, I'll give those builds a shot. Thanks for helping me out, all!

[plain fossil]

Np gl eos is good

[round shell]

DUDE where or how do i find wheat?

[fading swallow]

mourning fields

[merry flint]

fields

like wheat grows in fields this is a clear fact we have huge fields of wheat

we pray to demeter for bountiful harvests

[wicked cliff]

it's not 100% clear it's wheat at first, if I hadn't paid attention to Demeter being all "well i thought it would cheer things up a little bit" i wouldn't have figured it

also demeter's never seen a moor

[civic ocean]

quaker products

[spring cloud]

do people who take the “all arcana deactivated” pact for Fear get around it in any way (card draws from Medea or whatever), or just play the game really good?

[zenith bolt]

generally speaking, people don't take it

there is no good reason to ever take it unless you're running really high fear and thus have to

or doing the fated list thing, i guess? but you'd just run that to hecate anyway

[merry flint]

only insane people do that

don't disable arcana its not worth

[spring cloud]

Okay that makes me feel better lol

So 32 fear runs are everything besides that?

[zenith bolt]

32 is not even close to the max

[dusty sapphire]

oh man I remember there's a fated list in h1 to complete a run with all vows

literally imagine this one oh god

[zenith bolt]

you can pretty comfortably avoid some of the worst options

[merry flint]

there's 55 total fear to pick from

[dusty sapphire]

even taking it by itself doesn't make it any easier

[merry flint]

which is effectively 50 because you don't want the arcana vow

look just play momus for now and play 32 fear again on full release

[spring cloud]

Lol okay can do

[zenith bolt]

i think 55 fear was proven possible in speedcord using savestates but hasnt been done legit

[merry flint]

momus 32 fear is so free

[zenith bolt]

yeah #1051942150025269309 message (speedcord link)

[merry flint]

thanks #unkown

[spring cloud]

I actually ended up enjoying the chaos trial to Hecate with no cards (I took the tooth though)

[merry flint]

that one is free though

[sour cape]

The one with staff isnt free

but the axe one yea

[merry flint]

idk doing it legit is also kinda free tbh tbh

[sour cape]

Yea not too difficult since first boss and alp

[karmic gust]

i think moros keepsake works super well since you are invincible and can just stand there spamming omega specials

i hope they bring back patrolocus keepsake in some form cause that would also work pretty well for omega special spam

[red perch]

alright, im trying the momus before its likely nerf, i got poseidon special, is there anything else i really need?

[round shell]

great

[zenith bolt]

his legendary helps (grab slippery slope and crashing wave to start seeing it)

otherwise your focus should probably just be Not Dying

[red perch]

fasho, ill fish for him more then. thanks!

[karmic gust]

try to trigger origination, hestia cast with a long range cast ability (any works) can give you steam duo which works nicely

[spare kite]

Steam doesn't work for origination btw

It removes slip

[zenith bolt]

(and steam itself is not a curse)

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml step by step

[bleak night]

Alright, I'll go actually play the game instead of trying to make a layout

[warped harness]

ohh a layout for what?

[wild pine]

No, but I definitely recommend looking for demeter. Her freeze cast and cyclone cast can do wonders to keep enemies off you an enable origination, the dash is decent too, and even frost attack can occasionally get you out of a tough spot. Oh yeah and since you don't need magic winter coat is also free shields.

For your third god I like Zeus for on-hit chain lightning and ranged cast deployment, Apollo for best dash and larger lock-down cast, or Hephaestus for vent and the re-freeze duo and maybe the invuln or armor.

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244890377752674384/layout_test.mp4?ex=6656c203&is=66557083&hm=3cf3a898073157aea313067b47e7997dd3ede435955ea7b888ab702810b7eff4&

need to set keybinds for starting and stopping a recording now

[warped harness]

ohh a button layout

[bleak night]

input order as well

[warped harness]

thats p nice

i should put more effort into my own obs layout and stuff

[bleak night]

Just tryna do something simple on my end

[warped harness]

u should make an axe tech video (i forgot it all)

[bleak night]

lol.

[warped harness]

wasnt a serious suggestion sry

[bleak night]

I probably should, but everything is subject to change so I think it's not worth the effort atm

[warped harness]

should is a strong word, theres no need to and atm things are likely to change so itd be a lot of effort for smth that will be outdated in who knows how long

[red perch]

alright guys, update; Right before chronos, i couldnt get the poseidon legendary, but i do have good old epic Heph on attack to throw at anything that gets near. I also was able to get demeteer cast, so its been pretty safe blasting from afar

[bleak night]

That's fair enough

[red perch]

time to kill grandpa

[bleak night]

What weapon are ya doing this all on ?

[warped harness]

momus iirc

[bleak night]

ooh

[warped harness]

lowkey momus could be fixed by just making its effect only work for omega special

[red perch]

EZ chronos dub, i can see what the hype is about

[warped harness]

you can be missing half of the core things that make it broken and still win

its pretty chill

[bleak night]

true

[red perch]

literally me rn on my first time trying the aspect

[iron flame]

which skull do ya guys enjoy using? i personally enjoy the medea one

[red perch]

reminded me so much of shield from hades1 that i kept thinking i could block at first lol

but Medea is definiteely my fav of the skulls

[iron flame]

ya im having trouble with it at high heat just cause if i dont dodge right away i end up taking so much damage

but i love the damage output of a triple charge medea + any of the attack boons that buff damage a lot like demeter or aphro

[proven orbit]

I haven't really had opportunity to try any of them but melinoe, which feels satisfying enough

Although it does feel like it relies a lot on seeing +2 skulls hammer

[iron flame]

i feel like the +2 skull hammer is just really nice in general. both for mels and medea.

[proven orbit]

Yeah, just that mel aspect even more so as the damage scaling is improved as well

[wild pine]

For the underworld, I like Mel. I don't like to rely too much on channeling and mana because I don't run sorceress since Chronos ignores it. I like getting the hammer that gives extra skulls or fires them all at once, or both, and the bonus power is also great with any percent multipliers like chaos or weed cutter.

For the overworld, I like persephone. The bonus omega damage means you get very beefy omega casts and can stack those with sorceress to zone the horrible horrible surface enemies. I run mana regen so I can throw in some long-range omega attack bombardment as well, and that lets me keep the glory dive in my back pocket as an out.

[iron flame]

oooh i see i see

[warped harness]

mel skull feels super nice with the right spacing and some good positioning

even on 3 skulls if you move right you can keep up the damage p well

[iron flame]

it does feel really good too when ya use the 3rd shot with an omega attack

[warped harness]

h u h

[iron flame]

doesnt mel skull increase both damage attacks?

or did i read it wrong

[warped harness]

shaking my fist at the bot anyways

it does work on both i just rarely see ppl use the omega attack on the skull

[wild pine]

It does, although of course the flat power gain is less noticeably on the omega because of the larger base and lower mult (assuming you have huntress)

Unless you get Weed Cutter, then it slaps

[iron flame]

ah i just like the omega attack cause i run sorceress and like the little bit of aoe on the third shot

[warped harness]

i just find it to be kinda slow

you can make all 3 shots do 90 damage with spacing

[wild pine]

Without sorceress it is painful to use the omega attacks, i find.

[glossy rivet]

medea's rank buffs dont apply to omega right? or does it still apply to omega bc it buffs base damage or smth?

[civic ocean]

they dont apply to omega

[wild pine]

If something says it buffs "attacks" or "specials" it will buff both normal and omega, but if (like medea) it buffs "attack" and "special" (not plural) then the omega isn't affected

[warped harness]

persephone would apply tho

[glossy rivet]

oh bummer
my favorite way to use skull is mom aspect and just profit with aphro on special

if only weed killer works on Ospecial huehuehue

[warped harness]

i feel like its not enough damage for how long it takes to charge

[civic ocean]

Persephone specifically applies to only omega stuff tho

[glossy rivet]

i like the iframe while doing ospec charge
i think normal special charge doesnt grant iframes?

[wild pine]

Persephone super slide is honestly more a safety move than a damage button

[civic ocean]

I'm really sad because I feel like so many people had really negative feedback about Glory and just didn't read the text

It's so so so good

[glossy rivet]

i feel like the damage from doing momskull ospecial is fine to me

[sour cape]

its a bit awkward I will say

[wild pine]

If you have a cast or some pets that are shredding people then you can do the glory rush just to be invuln while it ticks down

[sour cape]

basically not being able to use Omega special in many rooms if you wanna save for boss is

[warped harness]

i just wish it had more uptime personally, rather than being like twice per section

[wild pine]

All skull aspects are invulnerable while executing the omega special, though not while charging it up.

[sour cape]

yea

Not a bad effect but they should prob make it usable more often while reducing its dmg

[glossy rivet]

i was talking about normal special charge
that doesnt give me invincibility right??

[wild pine]

correct

[sour cape]

normal special has no invincibility

[civic ocean]

You can still omega special though and it will blow up the bombs

IIRC haven't played medea in a while

Persephone is pretty automatic at this point for me at 32

[zenith bolt]

glory buff when

[plain fossil]

The only skull build i actually enjoy is extended array mel

[wild pine]

I'm not sure perspehone actually needs faster charge/more uptime, just better UI and interface tbh. I would like some kind of visual display on Mel's model of how much charge she has. And either have glory not trigger until it's completely full so you're not accidentally wasting it in dribs and drabs, or have people manually choosing when the expend charge to extent the special and let them hold it til they need it.

[bleak night]

She has a small circular gauge next to the ammo

perhaps a bar would be better for that sort of thing

[wild pine]

Yes, I'm aware of that, but I'd like an audio queue each time I hit another notch on the gauge and maybe her to flash or glow when she's ready to pop off

[bleak night]

That's fair. I just miss the yellow bar under HP ngl

[wild pine]

Artemis recharges faster so there's less need to look down at the indicator, plus as soon as you start to channel you can see whether the shield is up or not. Whereas if you didn't see the indiactor, Persephone gives you no hint that you're doing the superdash until you notice that it didn't stop where you thought it would.

[plain fossil]

I feel like i will get used to persephone charge tracking as i play it more

I dont think its that unintuitive though first couple runs i certainly blew it early out of ignorance

[versed bear]

What are people using with Thanatos? I personally find that Apollo, Hera, and Demeter are all pretty good on the attack, but I'll bet Aphrodite is the popular choice.

[bleak night]

I do Hera on attack and Demeter and Heph on support and secondary boons

Aphro does more damage, but Hera lets me clear rooms faster

[versed bear]

That tracks. What hammers are best for Than?

[bleak night]

Furious and Concentrated Whirlwind atm, the rest kinda have buggy interactions with the crit stacking

[slate wharf]

my crystal figurine activated Judgement after Hecate

[quaint badge]

Demeter on Attack is lovely. Much easier to handle many mobs at once, less need for avoiding damage, and finish the combo.

Right now, the Zeus cast adds Critical chance each lightning hit, so it’s really good. This will probably not be the case in the future. Too OP probably.

[broken ingot]

dang... didn't get Golden Rule... didn't get double moonshot. Had 8k gold

anyway death to Chronos https://imgur.com/a/NF952yW

[zenith bolt]

i forgot to post this in here earlier but am i cool yet https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/362939825000677377/1244860988545564743/instakill_iframe.mp4?ex=6656a6a4&is=66555524&hm=21456a84a0f8ec2f43cfb188dccb12312897904081991e55e76143600d2849fb&

[plain fossil]

Gz thats a big wave flourish

[plain fossil]

Ur cool when u can iframe through eris multiple bomb

[zenith bolt]

nvm i did post this in here earlier and this migraine is not helping my memory

[proven orbit]

It's cool enough and I haven't seen it yet

[mellow condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1244918408521322511/1244918946163851274/20240528153554.jpg?ex=6656dc9e&is=66558b1e&hm=4277cc3cfb8c0c28c0e21592dad2f31c1858168f7ab66c04e2ddaf1572dd20e2&=&format=webp&width=1147&height=645

[split glen]

big crit!

[ionic kelp]

Is it just me or is Demeters Mana Regen kinda bad?

[zenith bolt]

the only reason it isnt the worst is because ionic gain exists

[ionic kelp]

I kinda Like Ionic Gains, not as good as Hearth Gains

[zenith bolt]

ionic gain when you have any amount of priming makes you sit at 0/0 magick

[ionic kelp]

hm fair nough

[zenith bolt]

because priming isnt affected by the same % reduction

it just so happens vow of arrogance (an otherwise pretty free take for vows) introduces a notable nonzero amount of priming

[ionic kelp]

also means you need to get the extra mana items
which I tend to ignore

[tame vector]

I don't know in what way, but i do hope they introduce some infusion synergy in the future

[clear abyss]

can someone please tell me how i get aspectsa

please for the love of god

[flat epoch]

I assume you've beat Chronos for the first time right

[clear abyss]

ok new goal

[mellow condor]

Artemis + extra mana cost for extra omema attack + backstab + extra crit nice gamble

[flat epoch]

🧍‍♀️ wait fr

[zenith bolt]

you dont need to beat chronos to unlock aspects

[clear abyss]

yes fr, i have been focusing on grinding resources and fated list prophecies

[flat epoch]

Well to get the vows you do no?

[zenith bolt]

i believe it's just beat hecate with each weapon and unlock trials?

[analog ether]

Yes, but to upgrade them you need the vows unlocked.

[zenith bolt]

well, yeah. but you could still level up mel aspects without

and at least a few of the mel aspects are solid

[split glen]

i miss the status curses from h1

i miss doom the most. or maybe i just miss ares and his stupid blade rifts

[flat epoch]

I just miss ares man 🥀

[analog ether]

I still wanna see if the Demeter Kill still works on bosses like in h1

[split glen]

i know the god and goddess of war are busy with ... the war, but i want to get their boons again man

[jovial cove]

haven't played h1 in a while but I don't remember ares being all that good

[split glen]

i had the opportunity to try this out with chronos but i think i mistook one demeter status effect for the other because it didnt work for me

[split glen]

no he really wasnt. i just miss him

[jovial cove]

fair

[split glen]

because puzzlingly (for me) she has two

[zenith bolt]

it does but idk chronos specifically. it causes the game to freak out on eris last i used it on her

[flat epoch]

Merciful End on gilgamesh fists

[analog ether]

If it does, I hope she gets a kill line against Chronos, like she did with Hades.

[split glen]

yeah i think i just liked ares for his duos

[pine viper]

Demeters mana regen is much worse than ionic gain, it is possible to play with ionic gain if you get enough magick to get 2-3 cast through. Demeter you have to work around and adjust the play style, for me its an onion

[proven orbit]

Can be worse than onion because chance to replace an existing t1 boon is lower than picking one on empty spot

[zenith bolt]

demeter in a worst case scenario isnt entirely bricking your build though

[flat epoch]

I assume we're definitely getting a hades keepsake. I just want to summon him (like full god gauge in H1) while landing the killing blow on Chronos to make it all the sweeter

[zenith bolt]

and as i mentioned, priming is not that uncommon

[zenith bolt]

he has funny relationship hearts, it's basically guaranteed he'll get one

[split glen]

we should be allowed to form a bond with chronos i think

his keepsake is just a modern watch

[proven orbit]

It will let you pause time on a boon screen

[flat epoch]

"I'll always keep coming back"
"Alright grandpa let's get you to bed"

[ruby slate]

So question, upon hitting someone with scorch multiple times, does it stack the curse or reset the timer

[pine viper]

If you take the vow, you know you will have it and just try to get alot of magick. Bricking the run is not the games fault but you not building correctly around the things the game gave you

I dont think ionic gain is good, but demeters is just not helping in any way, while ionic can work.

[proven orbit]

Scorch doesn't really have a timer, it will just burn the target for 40 hp/s until it runs out of accumulated scorch

e.g. if you stack 1200 scorch, the target will keep burning for the next 30 seconds, no intervention needed

[pastel breach]

Does Anyone have a good Hera or Hephaïstos build ? Feels like these 2 are just way behind

[proven orbit]

Hera attack boons are incredible because 2nd highest percentage + Hitch debuff (crowd dps + easy access for origination arcana)

[pastel breach]

Thing is Hitch is kinda useless vs boss, and they are the main trouble 🙁

[proven orbit]

That's where the origination arcana kicks in
2 debuffs for +50% damage

[pastel breach]

Dont all gods give debuff ?

[proven orbit]

Yes, but many require additional boons or inconvenient application method

[split glen]

yeah you're not really using hitch vs the bosses it's just really easy to apply + lasts a long time

[proven orbit]

I do have to admit that hitch is more so suited for weapons that are decent single target dps but struggle with crowds

[lusty heron]

Good against sirens though

[zenith bolt]

most bosses also have minions to some extent that allows hitch to be of some value on its own

[split glen]

daze is the longest im pretty sure but its locked behind two boons and a chance percentage to apply

[zenith bolt]

whether for simply clearing the minions or adding damage to the boss

[lusty heron]

Or sprint

Easiest way to apply it

[split glen]

oh yeah, I'm mistaken then. i still hate daze though

[zenith bolt]

daze is literally +20% dodge

[split glen]

yeah

[split igloo]

I'm running Hera Hestia on Thanatos, seems pretty good I'm having an easy time on 16 fear

[split glen]

I'm just a born hater I dodge with my i frames anything else is a skill issue

sorry hermes

[zenith bolt]

blinding sprint also activates on dash, btw

[turbid hull]

dodge sometimes makes it so that your skill issue isn't punished

[proven orbit]

well umm erm daze does not stack additively with other dodge chances so it's worse 🤓

[proven orbit]

"sometimes" yeah, right...
weeps in 350 damage taken on chronos with 25% dodge

[zenith bolt]

more dodge is more dodge, you're not gonna see me complain

[split glen]

oh that's interesting actually. i guess it's cause it's tied to the enemy's "chance to miss" rather than your "chance to dodge"

[zenith bolt]

• backstab damage is also like. Big

like +100% on epic or rare +2 is a fat damage bonus for 2 boons

[proven orbit]

Me neither, I like daze

[turbid hull]

really?

[proven orbit]

To be 100% honest, I don't have a proof of that. Just a feeling

[turbid hull]

I will investigate 🕵️‍♀️

[proven orbit]

Especially because the boon that damages enemies missing, specifies from daze only

(is it actually the case? who knows)

[zenith bolt]

esp bc it's basically no downside other than "have to do the thing you were already going to do to bosses anyway"

[proven orbit]

backstab damage my beloved

[turbid hull]

do you guys never sleep? what time is it for you rn?

[proven orbit]

11:30 AM

[zenith bolt]

3 am im only awake bc i have a migraine

[proven orbit]

though tbf I did pull a half-nighter today

[zenith bolt]

and ive been waiting for 3 hours for this stupid acetaminophen to kick in

[plain fossil]

daze is multiplicative with actual dodge right

it would be better if it was actual additive dodge?

[zenith bolt]

dunno, scroll up like 3 minutes and this was already brought up

[plain fossil]

oh ok

[turbid hull]

If Daze and Dodge are treated separately they're basically multiplicative. If they are treated at the same time, they're probably additive

[ionic kelp]

Question: Can you get the Hooked Knives Hammer with the Aspect of Pan?

[turbid hull]

Yes

[plain fossil]

the wording is different hence the assumption, i know actual dodge from the uh 4? available sources ingame right now is additive

[ionic kelp]

Amazing

[turbid hull]

Yes it is

Only need to check whether or not Daze is treated at the same time (e.g. the value is added on top of the Dodge chance) or before or after (e.g. multiplicative)

[plain fossil]

oh u have been datamining have u, yea i alrdy knew from testing with dodge dodge dodge but its good to have it datamined

[zenith bolt]

wispy wiles
greater evasion
the messenger
evade evade evade
uhh have i missed anything

[turbid hull]

Yeah, I'm almost certain there's a part in combat logic where it adds up all dodge chances. I'll make sure of it whenever I'm on pc though

[proven orbit]

There is surface 2nd biome gift that makes you smaller and gives dodge (although obviously it's mutually exclusive to evade)

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah uhh circe's [something something] of Smaller Stature

[turbid hull]

Word

[proven orbit]

Excel

[zenith bolt]

its in the boon book i just am in bed and dont want to get up

[turbid hull]

yeah, I said it's word Word of Smaller Stature

[zenith bolt]

oh i thought you meant word like as an affirmative

[turbid hull]

Nah, sorry, should have been more explicit

[zenith bolt]

[proven orbit]

So you actually should be able to reach 100% dodge with evadeevadeevade, right?
(even if rather fleeting)

[plain fossil]

u can get to like 90 or something

[turbid hull]

Evade Evade Evade is 50% right

[proven orbit]

Yeah

[zenith bolt]

50%, -2% every time you dodge

[plain fossil]

cos u cant get evade evade evade and circe at once

[turbid hull]

will soon get on my pc

[proven orbit]

Hm, but then you have 15 of wispy wiles, 25(?) of heroic greater dodge, and 10 of messenger

[zenith bolt]

wispy wiles is 15%, greater evasion is 10/15/20/25%, 10% for messenger

[turbid hull]

who's boon is greater dodge

[plain fossil]

i click hermes dodge a lot actually idk if i click it too much

[proven orbit]

hermes

[zenith bolt]

hermes is greater evasion

[proven orbit]

wispy wiles is aphro infusion iirc

[turbid hull]

Ah, right

[zenith bolt]

not sure if heroic is possible on it in normal play

[tender anvil]

What about damage reduction, does it stack (is it additive)?

[turbid hull]

Unsure, but the data is there, don't see why it wouldn't be possible

[proven orbit]

Is it not possible to upgrade it with narcissus keepsake?

[zenith bolt]

idk havent tried

[proven orbit]

or demeter/hera boons, for that matter

[zenith bolt]

true

i forgot those existed tbh

[turbid hull]

so w/ heroic greater evasion it would be 100%

[plain fossil]

oh ye i guess thats technically possible

[zenith bolt]

i believe additive? not sure how weak factors into that though

[tender anvil]

I.e. 50% from Arcana + Weak status + Island getaway duo + heph mana boon etc.

[turbid hull]

I'll check as well

[tender anvil]

Should be possible to get permanent 100% then

[proven orbit]

Damage reduction was multiplicative in H1 iirc

[turbid hull]

ngl just use that one infusion that makes it so that you can't take more than 15 dmg

[plain fossil]

every conversation always comes back to DAE coarse grit OP

[zenith bolt]

simply dont get hit, easy 100% damage reduction

[tender anvil]

That’s what I’m doing, yeah. Just wondering if there’s a stronger combo available

[turbid hull]

If there was such a combo, it would be trickier to get

[zenith bolt]

triple earths happens to be on some of the strongest gods and coarse grit just happens to also be there which is funny

[cursive gate]

Is it me or is aspect of charon comepletely unviable on Eris? She can escape the cast because of her move set

[proven orbit]

It's not particularly favored there but I wouldn't say unviable

You can also try and dance around the pillar while casting so that eris doesn't stray far from that point

[turbid hull]

use phase shift /j

okay I need a quick list of everything that gives dodge + daze, with their giver

[cursive gate]

I actually did but once she brings out her sniper it's kinda gg

[proven orbit]

block the sniper with special 🧠

[cursive gate]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

I actually didn't think of that ngl

[ruby slate]

ah okay thank you :)

[slate pecan]

if you have apollo on special you can just put your cast down and special her, wherever she goes. the cast may not hit but omega special will and i think it does good damage too

[proven orbit]

wispy wiles
greater evasion
the messenger
evade evade evade
word of smaller stature

That's for dodges, at least

[zenith bolt]

wispy wiles - aphrodite infusion
evade evade evade - echo gift
greater evasion - hermes boon
the messenger - arcana card
word of smaller stature - circe gift

that one attack boon that gives daze if you have apollo attack - apollo boon
blinding sprint - apollo
light smite i think it is? - apollo

[turbid hull]

thx <3

[proven orbit]

One note, as far as I know you don't have to have apollo attack for "attacks may cause daze" boon to appear

[zenith bolt]

im pretty sure it's required

[turbid hull]

So Greater Evasion adds for sure

[proven orbit]

hrm, lets check

[turbid hull]

Same for Wispy Wiles

[proven orbit]

Okay, yeah it states so. I must have replaced the attack later, I just distinctly remember not having apollo attack when still having the daze boon

[turbid hull]

Same for The Messenger

and Circe... All sources of Dodge seems to be additive yeah

[zenith bolt]

additive dodge dream...

surface gonna go crazy

[proven orbit]

Light Smite, Dazzling Display, and Blinding Sprint are the daze boon names

[zenith bolt]

i got 2/3, proud of myself

[turbid hull]

There's a keepsake that adds dodge?

[zenith bolt]

i never grab apollo attack so i didnt remember dazzling display

[turbid hull]

well there's part of the dodge logic that is involved with keepsakes

[zenith bolt]

is that so? i dont think any keepsakes give dodge though

[proven orbit]

Mmm actually I think there were hex boons that added dodge while hex isn't up yet

[turbid hull]

hmmm no sorry, other way around. There's a part of the keepsake logic which is involved with dodge

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah that's true, i forget which hex it is though

i think it goes up to lvl 4 at max

20%

[proven orbit]

greater dodge at home

[zenith bolt]

trying to think if any keepsake activates when you get hit or smth

[proven orbit]

Blackened fleece counts damage taken

[zenith bolt]

well medea but that wouldnt make sense for dodge

[proven orbit]

I don't see anything directly related to dodge either, yeah. My guesses are either medea or... moros

Wait, do chaos boons have dodge?

Surely not?

[zenith bolt]

no

[plain fossil]

no

[turbid hull]

Oh, there's an unused keepsake that uses dodge, that's why

[zenith bolt]

[turbid hull]

Tension from the Path of Stars adds 1% chance of Dodge when Hex is not ready

[proven orbit]

they must have forgotten like an extra 0 or smth 😅

[turbid hull]

Added an extra 0 then (the data is 0.01)

So, Daze sets MissChance to 0.2

but I can't find anything about MissChance

[zenith bolt]

hmm sounds like it relates to enemies more than the player

so maybe daze is multiplicative to dodge in that way then

[turbid hull]

Yeah, so my theory is that one of both is applied after the other, e.g. they are multiplicative

[plain fossil]

hey do u guys know if geyser ring inflicts slip

or rather if it can

[turbid hull]

Don't think so

Except if it's one projectile

lemme check

It doesn't

[split igloo]

Best duo to go for on pan Poseidon?

[turbid hull]

Skull Hammers: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244947807148838912/image.png?ex=6656f77f&is=6655a5ff&hm=b2a2ee25d046779363416bf7be841d9a9a766dff82b37f7e8dec381f507de14b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1172&height=662 and now I'm done with the sheet for now

[brazen lark]

I'm pretty sure it's treated as a dodge because the ApolloMissStrikeBoon (TraitData_Apollo.lua) has an OnDodgeFunction to cue the enemy getting punished for missing. And all the dodge chances are added together into accumulatedDodgeBonus (TraitLogic.lua)

[turbid hull]

Ah, you may be right. I thought the accumulatedDodgeBonus wasn't what I was seeking since it was in a function called RemoveTraitData

[brazen lark]

Yeah, it feels like some of the pieces are missing. I'm still unraveling it haha

[turbid hull]

Although the OnDodgeFunction makes it almost certain they're additive then

Because Echo also has OnDodgeFunction on her Evade, Evade, Evade... Boon which makes it diminish the dodge effect

[brazen lark]

yeah

[turbid hull]

and then it just runs the associated function

[brazen lark]

anecdotally, i know it was additive in the first game because i remember seeing people get above a 100% dodge chance, making them invincible

[turbid hull]

Nice to know. I wasn't around to do anything with Hades other than enjoying the game so I don't know much about how stuff was working

[mellow condor]

what is the basis of basic value?

[turbid hull]

I would guess the base damage of the projectile(s) of the attack

[vapid hatch]

https://postimg.cc/hfFPbdMr
after 177 hours and 134 nights I finally got "barren"

[tender anvil]

Nice! Are there any specific trigger conditions, or is it just extremely low chance?

[vapid hatch]

My guess would be "if curse = barren -> blessing = heroic"

so basically rarity as limiting factor