h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

lemme grab a video, it's less of a tech and more of a glitch idk

@civic ocean @proven orbit I think the weapon is jank https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244717453515161710/Weird_Sister_Blades.mp4?ex=665620f6&is=6654cf76&hm=076bdd720a5c32bb189b992e79b47a8fbb4afebf312d8d624e252a181ad0eeee&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244717724391837796/Weird_Sister_Blades_2.mp4?ex=66562137&is=6654cfb7&hm=23b8a6d265ccec60baeff37f810e16c6cc3dbad94efacc2aa4cef734eca18fcb&

[steel sequoia]

moonwalk funny

[proven orbit]

New hex unlocked

[sour adder]

is the number of boons imbued give me some dps or something ? ( like the chaos think who give +2 to each element ) ios taht give me something

[proven orbit]

It's for infusions that use respective elements, but by themselves they do nothing iirc

[merry flint]

the elements don't give you anything directly but there are infusions that run off the elements you have

like Hestia scaling with Fire Boons

or Heph scaling with Earth boons

[sour adder]

ok thanks you . and another question if possible why chaos dont show anywhere in the god list ? ( when i give him a gift ) id ont see him anywhere

[merry flint]

he isn't a god

[spare kite]

They are on the "others" tab

[proven orbit]

^

[merry flint]

very specifically not god here btw she's the pool you're lazing in

[turbid hull]

Chaos isn't a god, yeah. They're like the primordial being from which everything came

[sour adder]

ok i am stupid 😄 thank you lol

[sour cape]

Does Poseidon added dmg crit?

[spare kite]

With something like antler yeah

[proven orbit]

i love the personified primordial soup, very fun to converse with

[sour cape]

How bout for Artemis?

[merry flint]

they're so yaoi coded its insane i love them so much

god bless ye chaos

[bleak night]

alright I learned new actual Sister Blades tech

[civic ocean]

wait what about this isn't just how it's supposed to work

[spare kite]

Whatever hunter's mark is named here and PP work

[civic ocean]

Is the moonwalk not intentional?

[merry flint]

im pretty sure they're the same

[bleak night]

the moonwalk, more of a glitch though. But I did find something interesting. You can interject a dagger between the flurry strike and the wide aoe during the attack sequence, so if you run an attack build, you can slot in a status curse into your dagger in the middle of it

[merry flint]

no wait im jsut stupid

[turbid hull]

nemesis is so yuri coded

[spare kite]

Wait did you mean artemis as in the god or the aspect here

[turbid hull]

devs knew what they were doing when they did those bath scenes

[sour cape]

Aspect

[spare kite]

Then nah, that crit is only for the weapon itself

[civic ocean]

Can you special into dash attack instead of final swing

I theorized really early on that ideal attack based play on the Blades was going to be about avoiding that final hit whenever possible since IIRC the dash attack is just as good as it and has better frame data

[turbid hull]

why did you choose this username SamusPrime4, now I'm even more hurt

[bleak night]

worth a test

[proven orbit]

You can see hecate's big ahh hat during the sequence, 0/10

[civic ocean]

Think like how people used to dash attack out of the last hit of the Fists

[turbid hull]

is samusprime4 writing a book or smth

[crimson glacier]

For crowd control/dealing with a ton of enemies at once, I have a lot of fun with:

Hera Special on the Torch, or Hera Sprint.
Hestia, Apollo, or Zeus cast.

The idea is to spam Omega Special and sprint through the crowd to inflict Hitch (Hera Sprint also works, but torches also do damage).

Follow up with a cast and watch the crowd evaporate as they all take shared damage. Reminds me of the Aspect of Rama from Hades 1.

[merry flint]

Shared Suffering H1 -> Hitch H2
What are the devs saying here

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244720353662730352/no_4th_Sister_Blades.mp4?ex=665623aa&is=6654d22a&hm=88e97506ea5926e8e5d998e490c3b26bfb02de39fc12a1de801fd296babe444c&

[turbid hull]

I don't even know what the word Hitch translates to in my language

[spare kite]

Sgg should have let hitch work on the same enemy like shared suffering clearly

[turbid hull]

oh, wait, I think it's Lié

e.g. Linked

[tired fulcrum]

Also share damage when they die

[proven orbit]

That functionality is blocked behind a duo wall basically

[turbid hull]

What is shared suffering?

[civic ocean]

yeahhhh that's the stuff

Run Artemis or Mel and push Heph on the special for a quick 400 dmg pop in there

[spare kite]

The mechanic of one of the aspects in H1
Tag enemy > they take 60% of your attack, and it worked even if there was only 1 enemy

[civic ocean]

Just to confirm what is your language again

[merry flint]

Rama bow gimmick

[crimson glacier]

Because the Metroid Prime trilogy are my favorite games, and I chose this name after Nintendo announced MP4.

[merry flint]

and yeah i miss shared suffering working on itself

[spare kite]

At least hera's % is not bad lmao

[bleak night]

here's the alternative version with a delayed 4th strike https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244721468533772441/delayed_4th_strike.mp4?ex=665624b3&is=6654d333&hm=962107a57bfdcab6078c62a599f16ba5deb269178d0c7a1883ed79a1db93386c&

[turbid hull]

French

[turbid hull]

You're goated for that but seeing your username just reminds me we didn't get anything since 2019

[merry flint]

yeah you'd have to adjust that if shared suffering was back

[civic ocean]

So basically if you don't want to do the 4th attack in the sequence, you can throw a special and dash and the game will dash attack for you instead?

[bleak night]

you can also notice that the animation of throwing a dagger somehow absorbs the windup of the 4th strike, so the little leap she does before it is gone and it unleashes instnatly

[civic ocean]

Yeah so that anim cancel is ideal for groups

[bleak night]

I didn't realize there were anim cancels for this weapon

[civic ocean]

bet you this probably works on the staff too

[bleak night]

It does lol

[civic ocean]

all 3 weps are now FGC weps

[bleak night]

hard to get down on Staff

[turbid hull]

fighting game characters?

oh because of the cancels

[civic ocean]

special anim probs too slow

[bleak night]

I do it really inconsistently

[still nymph]

Has there been a prior discussion regarding Lim and Oros? Trying to get a feel for what attack boons typically work best for them.

[proven orbit]

Either poseidon or aphro works well I believe

Some points could be made for hera and demeter

[bleak night]

yeah, I'm having a hard time consistently replicating the Staff combo

[turbid hull]

Soon done with all icons, which means... soon weapon hammers

[spice ibex]

Guys , poseidon or aphro with aspect of pan

[mystic bison]

Pos special

[tall notch]

I believe for Artemis builds Apollo is solid too because it builds towards the legendary

[proven orbit]

What's apollo's legendary again?

[spare kite]

Omega attack/special fires twice, +20mp cost

[proven orbit]

Ah

[thorny widget]

-Using Hestia's sprint to block Eris? Nah
-Hiding behind Frinos to block Eris? Hell yeah

[proven orbit]

Don't hide and instead run circles with Heph sprint

[thorny widget]

I was Aspect of Momus so I just sat behind Frinos and shot me Special. My projectiles can pass through the frog just fine

[merry flint]

hestia - lame, locks you into 1 god in a 3 god game, inconsistent, can't sprint and damage eris well
pillar - cool, completely free to make any build, super consistent, eris free as long as attack through wall

[tall notch]

Eos gamers love pillar, ghosts go through it

[thorny widget]

Doesn't the pillar break? My big froggy boy can take anything

[merry flint]

i've only had pillar break in 2 scenarios

1 - Eris does her sniper shot (easy to dodge)
2 - Poseidon Sprint breaks it in 1 hit for some reason

[proven orbit]

if only froggy could have knockback immunity, it'd be absolute perfection

[tall notch]

Only the big purple shot breaks it

[thorny widget]

The Poseidon thing was probably why it's breaking so often for me then lol

[mental sluice]

I slept on blitz for a while, but it's actually pretty good at higher fears.

[spare kite]

They def can take too much dmg
The shotgun got me once bc of that

[mystic bison]

Pillar breaks only from the purple snipe, you can either dodge it or burst her down into invuln so she skips the attack

[fluid quiver]

question: what does "on impact" mean for Aspect of Medea

[thorny widget]

Yeah Frinos is a bit of a lightweight with that knockback, I need to feed him more treats so Eris can't push him around anymore

[merry flint]

special hit

[civic ocean]

ram them with special

[fluid quiver]

ohhhh

that isnt clear at all lol

[merry flint]

as many people have pointed out

[dire flint]

just got sub 8 min today

very lucky run

[thorny widget]

Eris got so much easier when I realized I can squat behind Frinos, and now I can stop Hestia-locking my Surface runs, which was getting old fast. And hard to get through higher Fear with Hestia as your main

If pillar only breaks from purple, which is easy to dodge anyway, then I can add Pillar to my strategy easy peasy

[tired fulcrum]

you could also force her in thessaly instead of ephyra

[civic ocean]

We need to do the galaxy brain meme with

Being behind the pillar
Being behind Frinos
Being behind Eris

[tall notch]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[thorny widget]

I tried that last run, but by the time I got to Thessaly my main 3 were established, and the Keepsake's one Hestia boon didn't offer a Sprint. but between the pillar and Frinos I don't think I need Hestia's sprint... Particularly with how inconsistency it blocks shots

[tall notch]

Where would being behind a ressed add go?

[civic ocean]

3rd I think

[thorny widget]

How did you put a pic in? I was told I lacked permissions to post a picture

[tall notch]

Post elsewhere and paste attachment

[thorny widget]

Test. Frinos over Hestia

[turbid hull]

I added Icons to all tabs in my spreadsheet

[civic ocean]

https://imgflip.com/i/8rs8j1

[proven orbit]

Yeah that is an expanding brain alright

[feral sage]

does crescent moonglow on a hex mean it can't receive a path of stars upgrade

or am i misunderstanding

[proven orbit]

You get less points on an upgrade, but you still can

[feral sage]

ahhh okay okay

[tall notch]

replace the third one with Darren

[spice ibex]

Give me the best spin to win build for high heat

[tall notch]

Ask Mynt

[proven orbit]

Manifest the two spin hammers into existence and have fun with whatever else

[still nymph]

Aphro huh? The % damage bonus is good but the damage per hit is rather low on the twin blades.

[spice ibex]

@bleak night

[bleak night]

What's up ?

[proven orbit]

She does open up a boon to get extra power on attacks so

[tall notch]

It's 25 power per special knife

[zenith bolt]

theres 4 but advancing is kinda garbage so really 3

[tall notch]

Scaling it is going to hit high but not as high as Poseidon I think

[zenith bolt]

as it currently stands, furious > psychic = concentrated > advancing imo

[proven orbit]

Pretty sure the original post was about attack, not special

[spice ibex]

fine , give me the best spin to win build since you enjoy the axe

[still nymph]

Yeah

[analog ether]

Out of curiosity, has anybody seen if the Demeter Legendary works on bosses?

[tall notch]

Oh, in this case omegas still hit hard

[still nymph]

Interesting, I didn't know that.

[bleak night]

Do you want a lot of damage or do you want damage + defensive ?

[spice ibex]

You can mention both

aspect of melinoe or thanatos to start ?

[turbid hull]

Time to add weapon hammers in my sheet

[tall notch]

And full attack combo on blades is 170 base damage, honestly that is not bad either and I could see Aphro working if someone really wants to melee

[bleak night]

for raw damage, go on Attack and on Cast. You can put as a 3rd god.

for damage + def, stack and do on attack, with the same goal for cast and 3rd god.

I sometimes just let chance decide the 3rd god and run Chaos egg as a keepsake instead in Fields

In general, the god pool you want is fairly limited

[spice ibex]

can you tell me why stack earth and why get demeter on cast

[bleak night]

is nice to have, but it won't do much damage in Higher Fears unless you're more confident in high range aoe and have no downtime in engaging

[proven orbit]

I'd really appreciate if someone did a visual guide of elements in gods' pools so I would remember to stack stuff like aphro and zeus for Air

[spice ibex]

btw aspect of what , is melinoe good

[bleak night]

has an infusion that, at 6 , will decrease all damage 16 or over to 15. Also has an infusion that turns anything Common into Rare. As for the cast, it's just really good to have a freeze AoE on melee so you have better breathing room to charge whirl

[bleak night]

what level is your Than

[steel sequoia]

i feel like infusions are little unbalanced

[spice ibex]

i can make it lvl 1 only , while i can make meli lvl 4

[proven orbit]

demeter's blizzard on cast is sooo good. And it doesn't even take up main slot

[merry flint]

double demeter cast is so free

[bleak night]

don't use Than level 1 and 2, just run Mel. Almost no bonus ngl lol

[spice ibex]

ty

[bleak night]

I need to experiment with more gods on Axe runs

[proven orbit]

That's likely the entire game right now, early access polishing

[bleak night]

I find no use for Zeus and Poseidon on it

Hestia has a niche, but I'd rather not if I have another choice

I do use Zeus on Charon, but I don't really think of it in the same category

[zenith bolt]

self healing
coarse grit

[proven orbit]

Zeus attack on axe spin was.... ok. I don't think it's anywhere near best in slot though

[bleak night]

I'm kinda fiending to see if Poseidon or Hestia have any use on it except for when I did the stupid drill meme

[spice ibex]

will apollos legendary work on spin to win

[bleak night]

What fear are you playing this in

[steel sequoia]

u can play charon with pos cast, it blows instantly, not insane but its fine

[spice ibex]

i will do 16 to make 16 fear with every single weapon

[bleak night]

probs don't use Apollo

[steel sequoia]

also the hestia special extra ball are usefull sometimes

[proven orbit]

I feel like pos cast misses the point of charon aspect

[spice ibex]

why

[bleak night]

only use Apollo legendary on Charon when it comes to Axes

[bleak night]

it's kinda meh, you trade damage for range

[steel sequoia]

yeah its the best, im saying you can use pos

u cant use like heph cast

[zenith bolt]

apollo's like 3rd best % damage so he's ok

[tall notch]

You could take Poseidon for "HAHA YES" if you got nothing to do with your god pool

[spice ibex]

however shall i get aphrodite , demeter and hera ? I like born gain

[bleak night]

I feel like I don't do enough damage if I'm not going either Aphro or Hera on attack

[steel sequoia]

aint blitz good for than?

[spice ibex]

I feel that only with aphro lol

[solemn echo]

Hey there! I'm testing Aspect of Medea with the skulls. Am I doing something wrong or do I really need to attack, wait 3sec while running around the enemies and only then damage happens?

Death to Chronos! ⏳

[bleak night]

It's your call. I honestly don't think Born Gain is all too important on Axe. Unironically, I think Tranquil Gain isn't bad on whirl builds since you can just fully charge a spin and then stand there for a bit without moving, and then it'll regen your MP

[tall notch]

It also explodes the attacks if you special into enemies

[indigo arch]

just sent a bug report ||abt the guitarist of the sirens active after "breaking"|| COMPLETELY forgetting i had the duo boon that makes the first enemy slain in an encounter fight for u. so it works there i guess

[steel sequoia]

ur suppose to special the enemies and the impact blows

[spice ibex]

ok thanks , so heph

[solemn echo]

I love you.

[bleak night]

I have a video of the gameplay loop on this weapon, gimme a sec

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243937802530455572/Medealoop.mp4?ex=6655451b&is=6653f39b&hm=a1d88c53562548b6ee04c1997b4dd4fa09a38d97197ee3be4716f221a60692ce&

[tall notch]

Unfortunately that's all I can help regarding Medea skulls since they're not my playstyle and I am bad at them lol

[bleak night]

Yeah, put on Special so you can combo it in sometimes for free damage, then use his support boons to assist you in tanking stuff

[solemn echo]

Okay nice, will try it like that. Thanks!

[bleak night]

Hope you find it fun

[solemn echo]

I still take a lot of random damage, but yeah definitely hits!

[bleak night]

It's something you kinda gotta learn in your own time

When to go in, what angle, etc. I still have trouble with it myself

I like melee weapons, but this is kinda beyond melee. It wants you to exist in the same space as your target to detonate

[spice ibex]

Bro i have 60 magick primed in the first rooms in erberus 💀

[bleak night]

What did you get lol

[spice ibex]

its the vow

[bleak night]

I know, but what boon

[tired fulcrum]

Did you rarify an epic

[proven orbit]

Has got to be like zeus primer or smth

[tall notch]

During one of my runs today, I primed the hell out of my mana pool by going rare born gain into trusty shield into heph+hera duo

[spice ibex]

rare aphro attack , epic demetter cast , rare demeter gain

[bleak night]

That's actually a good haul

[proven orbit]

All in first room?

[bleak night]

probably meant first biome

[proven orbit]

Oh yeah

[tired fulcrum]

They did said rooms

[spice ibex]

first 5 rooms i mean

[bleak night]

oh lol

[tall notch]

Tbh I am becoming not as much of a Hera+Heph duo believer for higher fear the more I play. That 40 prime is nasty and it doesn't even contribute to origination because no curse on attack

[timber pawn]

I just got a sub 15 spiteful Persephone at 32

[spice ibex]

holy crap im lucky https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072937117673590817/1244733976036511806/image.png?ex=66563059&is=6654ded9&hm=13415db9f87dde984c33a5c3cc9b424613b03bcf6a1284f89db7ad5ea570411e&

[bleak night]

tf

[timber pawn]

It seems like 32 is the sweet spot maybe?

[timber pawn]

I got spiteful in erebus and sudden driver and the run was cooked lmao

[spice ibex]

@bleak night is advanced whirwind good

[tall notch]

Possibly, for 40+ fear the enemies in rooms have really high HP and there's a lot of them

[spice ibex]

advancing

[bleak night]

did you not update your game btw

[spice ibex]

dont think so but why

[timber pawn]

ya I take basically no hp increase fears for my 32 setup, its fairly specific

[proven orbit]

I found advancing fine but people really dislike it because of being locked into no dashing

[spice ibex]

I mostly leave steam offline for annoying popups

[bleak night]

update your game, we had a patch already lol

[spice ibex]

lmao thanks

[timber pawn]

I am debating artemis or pan, and then Im going to do Eos 3 earth

[bleak night]

wait don't get Advancing Whirl lmao

You can't dodge cancel the spin anymore if you get that

[spice ibex]

concentrated whirlwind is the 2nd choice

[bleak night]

that's fine

[proven orbit]

concentrated is better, pick that

[spice ibex]

i wanted the one that makes you fast

[bleak night]

Furious/Psychic > Concentrated >>>>>>>>> Advancing

[spice ibex]

lol

[bleak night]

Psychic is still fine even if it's bugged\

[spice ibex]

hecate gonna kick my ass i take much more damage ( chaos )

[proven orbit]

I'd defend advancing but I'm not emotionally attached to it enough

[bleak night]

wait so you've been playing this whole time without the new dash update ?

[solemn echo]

Yeah just died three times to Hecate... this is my 60th run lol. This weapon + aspect seems like a punisment 😅 I take most damage when specialing into the enemies. Trying off-angles, but still. Especially when there's like 10 of them.

[bleak night]

it does take some getting used to. Have you gotten far with other weapons ?

[solemn echo]

Oh yeah, at least 30 successful runs, above and below.

Played the sh*t out of Hades as well, before.

[spice ibex]

me ?

[bleak night]

yeah

[tall notch]

Try to think of Medea as Baewulf without the block maybe

[bleak night]

Oooh, fair enough. Medea might be a lot easier for you to play if you check how a speedrunner plays ngl. Gamers are visual learners, after all

[tired fulcrum]

Super goofy budget beo

[proven orbit]

beowulf without blocking sounds like self-induced suffering

[bleak night]

true

[turbid hull]

Started working on Staff hammer

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2unmJ1ZEjAQ&ab_channel=Croven

[solemn echo]

Thanks, will watch!

[spice ibex]

true 💀 just checked the patch and i realize how stupid i am

[bleak night]

update your game, you can probs pause the run

[proven orbit]

I'm ngl these lyrics make me so much

[bleak night]

lol

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRZHhLjPhns&ab_channel=Croven this one has the base game ost

[spice ibex]

I did

[bleak night]

nice

[past pewter]

Croven the goat

[proven orbit]

Damage stacking in this game goes nuts it seems

[bleak night]

Sure does, yeah

[steel sequoia]

im a fanboy: Blackened Fleece
After you take 250 damage, your Ω Moves deal +40% damage.
From Medea

[bleak night]

I like using that, yeah

[sour cape]

Yea that ones great value!

[turbid hull]

staff hammers tab done

[split igloo]

Blackened fleece is great

Especially on the twin flames and pan

[bleak night]

Any chance you can make a changelog ?

[turbid hull]

For the sheet or future versions of the game?

[bleak night]

Like, make a copy of the current version and keep it, that way people can see the history of changes, buffs and nerfs

Then keep doing so as it goes on

Mostly a storage thing

[turbid hull]

Why do you think my sheet has the version of the game in the name

[manic juniper]

guys, i seen on some video that guy was doing a lot of crits at the beggining

[bleak night]

Oh, already thought of that then

[manic juniper]

how come he did that

[bleak night]

White Antler probably

[turbid hull]

Yep, although I'm not sure how I will do it yet. Probably duplicate the sheet and add the changes there as well as adding a changelog for next updates

[bleak night]

Gives you 40% crit chance when your HP is 30 or lower

[proven orbit]

It's white antler keepsake yeah

[bleak night]

Dedication

[turbid hull]

i like numbers

[manic juniper]

aaah i see thats why he went and let him hit himself sometimes

[turbid hull]

I did the same thing for Tears of the Kingdom, although this game never got any balance changes

[mystic bison]

Echo gave me King Tide lol

[bleak night]

Oh, you also have a Switch ?

[turbid hull]

Yes, most of my platime is on switch

[bleak night]

Send FC

[turbid hull]

sure 1 sec

SW-7283-6192-8717

[bleak night]

I'll add ya

[turbid hull]

sure

[proven spire]

Does anyone have a decent ||Umbral Flames|| build? Trying to finish off the Testaments and 24 fear with those is all I have left. They're just awful feeling, I've tried ||Moros with Hestia & poseidon|| and|| Melinoe with Aphro special & Apollo duo|| . I can get all the way to the end, but just can't finish. By far my least favorite weapon.

[bleak night]

Sent

[tall notch]

Do you have the Eos aspect unlocked?

[turbid hull]

you actually have no life

[bleak night]

Why?

[turbid hull]

wtf are those playtimes dude 😭

I respect the Xenoblade playtime though, it's peak

[mystic bison]

Try Eos, they are the best torches rn

[bleak night]

Oh, the Smash thing was because I left my Switch in the dorm's living room when I was a student

[turbid hull]

and Melia pfp 🙏

[civic ocean]

Sheesh don't go after them like that, they use a joycon+mouse their life is hard enough

[bleak night]

So the playtime is 2k as a result

For the Pokémon, yeah. No life

[proven spire]

I do only level 3 though

[proven spire]

Not a huge fan of the aspect but if you have a build in mind I'd give it a go

[turbid hull]

Dw, Xenoblade and Persona 5 Royal are W games

FETH too

[bleak night]

I have 1k on FE3H as well

[tall notch]

Start Hera keepsake, take her attack or her regen room 1 and the other one of the two asap. Boost charge speed, max mana and mana cost reductions as much as you can. For your other 2 gods, Dem and Heph are best defensively but you can try other things too if you have a fave god

[turbid hull]

I'm an "Edelgard" co main in smash

[solemn echo]

Damn, didn't even get the Sirens down with first try of Medea... 0.0 It's like +900 levels of difficulty haha

[bleak night]

Ah, I like Dimitri more, personally

[proven spire]

I'll give it a try, thanks!

[turbid hull]

I can understand but I like women

[bleak night]

It's just rough

[mystic bison]

What @tall notch said, this is the optimal build I would say https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242099076930207774/Screenshot_4054.png?ex=6655d4e9&is=66548369&hm=d1a120126f9991e03f7101600c0745440af6d244aaee9d17ab74ec12fe044972&

[zenith bolt]

oh no haelian posted an aspect tier list, eos defenders we're gonna be in the trenches

[turbid hull]

who's haelian

[tall notch]

Weed killer is a greedy pick, wouldn't take it unless you are guaranteed safe on mana

[zenith bolt]

some decently big? youtuber

[tall notch]

Esp with vow of arrogance, Eos is capable of OOMing

[turbid hull]

gotcha!

[mystic bison]

True, I had born gain that time so I could afford it though

[steel sequoia]

im watching him ocasionally on twitch, he plays well

[bleak night]

How low did he rate Axes

[tall notch]

With weed killer Eos can OOM even with born gain unless it's pommed heroic

[zenith bolt]

than as top 3, charon is B, mel in C

[flint tulip]

What's everyone running for Aspect of Medea ?

[proven orbit]

I'm still holding a grudge for hades spear in like E tier or smth

[bleak night]

Oh, not bad

[tall notch]

AYO C-TIER EOS?

[forest mortar]

better to be in the trenches than wherever circe is

[zenith bolt]

circe is literally bottom 1

[ionic moon]

circe is chilling in selene tier

[mystic bison]

I had 3 poms on Born Gain (rare) and was running with vow of pain and vow of arrogance x1, by the end it turned out well and it didn't brick my run but yeah people should be careful with Weed Killer

[proven orbit]

epic rap battles of history
EA zagreus sword
vs
circe staff

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1244740877432393858/image.png?ex=665636c7&is=6654e547&hm=28c57102450f630b159ae217ed0112628e7be8aea654b8a8571c6a1bd2c36b6a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=158 imagine

[zenith bolt]

Hell

[timber pawn]

No thanks I'm good

[steel sequoia]

i think the only unplayables are circe and moros

[forest mortar]

me at the start of the game: SELENE I LOVE YOU
me now: ugh can i get someone else :v

[bleak night]

WTF

[proven orbit]

moros unplayable? uh huh.

It's not like good but it's not THAT bad

[manic juniper]

is there some pattern to how boons work ? like sometimes i dont even got anything from poseidon for my specials like most of the time actually

[wise nest]

Funny thing is circe isn't great in a vacuum but it's still a staff so you slap poseidon on it and it's op anyway

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244743234685763604/image.png?ex=665638f9&is=6654e779&hm=3f8ba468c02b28929b31d217e66a328e63234dea2126ca50e9b1738aa012f2d2& his commenters are hating on torches even more wtf

[proven orbit]

True actually

Staff is staff, I got decent results playing with no aspect

[wise nest]

torches are just minda miserable because of how slow you are with every attack

[zenith bolt]

it's the same thing you see in #h2-discussion which is people play torches like twice ever, it doesn't immediately click, and thus the weapon is unusable trash

[tall notch]

Haters at it again

[mystic bison]

Torch haters are just newbs it is what it is

[bleak night]

Can't wait for the 18 minute 43 Fear Torch video Cold is going to post

[ionic moon]

anecdotally i feel like it changed from H1, where it used to try very hard to offer your main slots (attack, special, cast, dash, call). now it's like you only get that weighted preference on your first boon, and then the rest is pure RNG

[tall notch]

360p is already here, but I'll wait for it to process

[zenith bolt]

there's like a shocking amount of moros defenders in that comments section though wtf

[proven orbit]

For me the biggest braintwister is that an average hammer for attacks is like "double damage" and then torch is like "you attack 15% faster aka 1.18x dps AND have a downside of no movement"

[turbid hull]

Explosive Ambush is incompatible with Marauder Slice

[wise nest]

I think if the base attack had more to it, torch would be a lot better

[tall notch]

Crazy thing is that hammer is still one of the better ones we got

[thorny garden]

There's a zag sword now?

[turbid hull]

Oh, Marauder Slice is incompatible with 4 things like the other marauder thing on staff

[forest mortar]

no but just as awful

[zenith bolt]

anyway he put charon below thanatos so i can safely ignore this tier list

[tall notch]

Out of season april fools joke

[proven orbit]

No, it was just the worst hades 1 aspect so it was funny putting them in one sentence

[wise nest]

wdym now, zag sword is the first weapon in hades 1 lmao

[thorny garden]

I meant in Hades II

[wise nest]

Ah

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean im on my last run now and they're all recorded this time. I'm gonna do triple earth eos

[tall notch]

I channel my Eos energy to you 🙏

[thorny garden]

I almost finished Hades 1 with 100% achievements

[proven orbit]

april may have passed but fool is a lifetime sentence

[thorny garden]

5 left

[bleak night]

Have you been crutching on Dem Cast + Spiteful Strength again

[tall notch]

Can't believe you're handicapping yourself by playing a C-tier weapon according to Haelian

[turbid hull]

Oh, Marauder Slice is just plain incompatible with Aspect of Artemis

[timber pawn]

Spiteful yes but usually hera cast to speed up zone 1-2

[wise nest]

charon is just run away and spam apollo cast omega special for big aoe damage
Thanatos actually has risk involved and if you get hit your rampup is fully reset
Ain't no way people are saying it's better

[thorny garden]

Guys, what's your favourite cast boon?

[forest mortar]

guys its not an objective tier list, not sure how its a surprise to you!

[bleak night]

Oh

[wise nest]

Especially when fear starts to get fo2 involved

[tall notch]

This is big, means that it's safe to take the hammer keepsake on Arty daggers

[bleak night]

[proven orbit]

Out of main cast boons probably apollo or zeus

Supplementary - demeter

[timber pawn]

My axe clear and staff clear weren't spiteful but staff was momus which I feel Meh about.

[tall notch]

Zeus on dedicated cast builds, Demeter otherwise

[turbid hull]

it's also incompatible with Weed Killer

[tall notch]

But honestly after my last run Aphro's is growing on me for ranged weapons

[wise nest]

Wait why not apollo for the bigger aoe damage

[zenith bolt]

depends on the situation
for actual cast-focused build: apollo
for support: demeter or aphro

[thorny garden]

The most fun I've had is with Apollo cast + Cast extend over time + Apollo legendary + the twin blades

[timber pawn]

Oh I forgot! My Artemis run just now was a Selene start too lol

[turbid hull]

none, I just datamine and don't actually play the game

[zenith bolt]

lol rip

[thorny garden]

Bruh

[proven orbit]

just pick one based on color smh

[tall notch]

I kinda just like Zeus because it deals damage right away instead of you having to wait until the circle disappears for it to do its thing

[turbid hull]

more seriously I rlly like aphrodite's

[zenith bolt]

i would like zeus more if barriers didnt like completely troll it

[thorny garden]

Doesn't this sound fun?

[proven orbit]

hera cast with supernova is kinda funny as an ultimate area denial

[turbid hull]

FYI, the Marauder Slice charge mult is 0.6 e.g. it goes 40% faster

[wise nest]

Casts already slow enemies down significantly so you're usually fine

[zenith bolt]

hera cast is neat for like early on on 0 barriers

beyond that eh

[forest mortar]

aphro cast with sweet surrender + an activator for p-status YUM YUM

[wise nest]

Even with fo2 you can just do hera cast or demeter support on the cast so apollo burns them anyway

[tall notch]

Yeah but I kinda want it to deal damage immediately when I am relying on it for damage. Charon axe is an exception, Apollo is just by far the best when you can insta nuke it

[thorny garden]

Apollo cast is literally a nuke, literally ↑→↓↓↓

[zenith bolt]

smolder ring isn't the worst cast in the world for just +1 status for origination

[proven orbit]

I moreso meant as a bigger trap for slow

[bleak night]

Tf helldivers reference

[proven orbit]

Since some enemies dash fast enough to pass regular size cast

[tall notch]

+1 status for origination, armor melter, can do chain reactions on Oceanus fish with natural gas. There are better options but it's alright

[wise nest]

Melinoe trying to save Icarus: sweet liberty, my arm

[turbid hull]

Sureshot Flurry and Spiral Knives are also incompatible it seems

[zenith bolt]

that tracks

[thorny garden]

Liberty save me!

[zenith bolt]

given they both are modifiers to the base functionality of omega special

[wise nest]

it also means you have hestia in your pool so you can get the coal boon that gives you a projectile cast

Zeus and hestia get a ton of value just out of those boons alone

[tall notch]

I actually don't like that in most builds because I value being able to cast while channeling other stuff more than the ranged cast

[proven orbit]

Do like smolder ring as means to roast rats and other small prey

Also since it doesn't require omega you can just drop and forget

[turbid hull]

By selecting Marauder Slice you lock yourself out of 2 hammer upgrades

[wise nest]

You can channel as the cast is being fired so that doesn't reallly change anything, + being able to do it at range means you don't have to waste time to position into an enemy then dash out and attack

[zenith bolt]

poseidon cast idfk theres probably some niche use for it

[forest mortar]

would only take smolder ring for duo boon with poseidon

otherwise NOPE

[turbid hull]

Marauder Wallop locks out of THREE hammers

[proven orbit]

pos cast heartthrob fr fr

[tall notch]

This is a very weapon-specific thing, but I am able to maintain my torches attack channel while throwing out normal casts. If I take a ranged cast, it'll interrupt the channel and I have to start it all over again. It's a downgrade for this specific scenario

[proven orbit]

I assume it's that way for axe spin too?

[zenith bolt]

yea this sucked to find out mid-run when it happened to me on eos

axe spin you can do dash attack cast tech and that generally works for activating furies

[proven orbit]

Yeah I guess it's easier to play around since you won't be channeling as long

[mystic bison]

Lmao Haelian said Thanatos is S tier

[proven orbit]

randomizer tierlist real?

[tall notch]

Melee brain

[zenith bolt]

i have my reservations about that tbh

[mystic bison]

I would say Thanatos is B tier personally, and would put Charon in A tier

[wise nest]

Oh right eos player that makes more sense

[manic juniper]

guys what familiars are currently in the game rn

[wise nest]

But in just about every other situation a ranged cast is just better

[zenith bolt]

frinos (frog) and toula (cat)

[manic juniper]

where was the cat again ?

[wise nest]

2nd surface biome

[turbid hull]

and sometimes erebus

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/mcHN1yn.png https://i.imgur.com/mRuZo0W.png
toula appears in fountain rooms in erebus, then moves to rift of thessaly first room where you can give her an animal cracker to become friends

[turbid hull]

[tall notch]

Don't other weapons have some cast while channeling tech too? I know Charon and daggers (both on attack and omega special) can do it but idk if it is the preferred play over having a ranged cast

[wise nest]

Charon and pan both especially prefer ranged casts

[mystic bison]

Anyone remember that very early game, before you build the spa, that there was a black cat in the Crossroads? And then it straight up disappeared

[zenith bolt]

i believe those two are hecate's familiars?

[mystic bison]

I used to think that we could recruit it as a familiar, I was searching all over for it at the time

[turbid hull]

Hecate is usually represented having a dog and a polecat as animals in mythology

[wise nest]

Because both involve using the cast as a funny nuke button, you want to be able to trigger that from range. For charon it's because the axe takes 7 years to channel, for the knives it's because omega special at close range can sometimes miss the target (try using pan vs skelly close up)

In both cases, being at range is just safer and the weapon aspect also happens to appreciate it in general

[mystic bison]

Momus also works really well with Zeus, lightning lance for ranged cast + static shock and build into Pos Zeus duo

Probably the best combination on that weapon

[plain fossil]

Ye hard agree, im becoming more convinced that zeus and hestia are balanced around ranged cast thats why we were all like THESE GODS SUCK week 1

[past pewter]

Zeus cast feels really strong

[zenith bolt]

zeus has like three different gimmicks going on at once, that's my gripe with him

[plain fossil]

Now i go out of my way to click them/even splash them with a2 keepsake except on like eos where it bricks ur build

[past pewter]

In h1 he had chain lightning, lightning bolts and call boons tbf

[plain fossil]

The trick is never click blitz then he's good

[zenith bolt]

you have
a) 0 magick (ionic gain + spirit surge + static shock)
b) cast (storm ring + lightning lance)
c) blitz (every blitz boon)

[wise nest]

momus is good with literally anything, even zeus special works because the base momus hits are strong as hell

[proven orbit]

Wouldn't there be also 4th gimmick of air quality synergy?

[plain fossil]

I agree that momus is especially good with zeus fwiw

[proven orbit]

by spamming a quadrillion small hits in the boons

[turbid hull]

air quality is stupid good no?

[plain fossil]

Not having to get into melee range for cast makes bossing rly safe

[zenith bolt]

AQ only really has synergy with static shock, no? it more just fits well into other god's things

[plain fossil]

Uh on momus u dont have the air squigglies unless u click hermes a lot

[wise nest]

fun fact momus is so op that even with air quality static shock + support fire + poseidon the base special hits can still be the #1 source of damage

[turbid hull]

nvm then

[proven orbit]

There is also the boon that makes a hit on blitz activation iirc

[civic ocean]

Yes

[turbid hull]

I don't actually know anything abt this game except for the stupid poms of power algorithm that I researched myself lol

[proven orbit]

which tbf is not shameful to forget about because it's mediocre on top of blitz being blitz

[mystic bison]

Sure, but Zeus I would say is the most synergistic combination

Lets you have a ranged cast which makes you even safer, buffs your specials even more with static shock and the Pos Zeus duo

And the 50 mana prime for static shock doesn't matter because Momus needs no mana at all

[wise nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1244134221656756276/image.png?ex=6655fc09&is=6654aa89&hm=67e1b3398f8f9dd19f93a6d9f0ea930406e88ee678d6dfcbf6ea135e60722da2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1123&height=631

[past pewter]

Is air quality the one that makes you do at least 30 damage

[zenith bolt]

king tide but poseidon waves aren't 2/3 of your damage, huh

[wise nest]

Momus base hits still doing the most damage

[past pewter]

So if you get a bunch of global damage it basically becomes redundant, no? Or is it base damage

[civic ocean]

Zeus isn't the most synergistic combination at high heat IMO because the biggest issue you have at high heat with Momus is "how do I not die" because your damage is solved

[plain fossil]

Best way to not die is ranged cast 👍

[wise nest]

Isn't the damage number over the course of a run

[plain fossil]

Im not kidding i splash lightning lance now its op

[wise nest]

Not just the boss fight

[zenith bolt]

it is, but usually i get king tide like, mourning fields

[wise nest]

^ zeus hestia go brr

[turbid hull]

Hook Knives don't look incompatible with anything

[civic ocean]

As Bismuth is very quickly proving if you just go Trusty Shield Coarse Grit on basically every weapon you pretty much trivialize like 4+fear worth of fear so I don't think Heph or Demeter can be anything less than S for 32 consistency

[mystic bison]

True, but Lighning Lance makes you safer and you can always slap Demeter on the cast

So you have Origination and hard CC

[wise nest]

Yeah momus is just stupid and I had chaos boons for special

[zenith bolt]

thats probably it then

[turbid hull]

fun fact, Hook Knives sets the penetration of your projectiles to 9999

[past pewter]

Damage range for chaos boons seem wacky in this game

[wise nest]

On top of the whole "wow I have 2 debuffs to cc you with" thing dem has

[mystic bison]

Echo gave me King Tide on my last run lol, first time I got a useful boon from her

[wise nest]

Cyclone being a thing as well as freeze is ludicrous

[zenith bolt]

boon boon boon is insane gambling tbh

[wise nest]

Echo is turbo op

[zenith bolt]

i can't imagine taking it in most cases

[turbid hull]

+240% gold crowns, +125 damage on attacks, +48% omega move damage per Aether go brrrr

[wise nest]

Just abuse it with vow of forsaking and then make sure the god you want a copy of is your last reward taken

[zenith bolt]

unless i am like insanely desperate

[wise nest]

Oh no I didn't get air quality let me just try again with 2 options taken away

[mystic bison]

I had a similar build the previous run so I could afford the risk

[zenith bolt]

evade evade evade, survive survive survive, and reward reward reward are all much more value to me

[wise nest]

Reward >>>>>>>>>>>>> all of them

[mystic bison]

Reward reward reward is my preferred pick yeah

[civic ocean]

Evade is crazy

[mystic bison]

Makes hunting duos and legendaries easier

[plain fossil]

This is why ive spent like four days trying 32 builds without poseidon, because i want demeter heph on everything and as previously mentioned range cast is op

[zenith bolt]

evade evade evade is my go-to always good pick

[wise nest]

Only way you can get a 3rd hammer selection without turbogambling your build

wait

[turbid hull]

Will soon release my Sister Blades hammers tab

[wise nest]

does coarse grit work on chronos oneshot

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[wise nest]

LMAO

[mystic bison]

Echo is always the third room in Fields right?

[zenith bolt]

you can also iframe chronos instakill with dashes or any other source of iframes

[civic ocean]

Unironically Coarse Grit is just a damage boon against Chronos

You just beat his ass up while he charges his instakills

[plain fossil]

I think the most correct solution is as i said previously, use like 7 rolls to get your good 3 gods in erebus including poseidon etc, then save the last 3 rolls with your a2 keepsake to get ranged cast from zeus or hestia

[turbid hull]

Third or more

[zenith bolt]

health is a resource you spend to do damage

[wise nest]

As a hades 1 speedrunner this is very true

[tall notch]

Same for DDs

[proven orbit]

I once picked up Boon Boon Boon and it activated hera infusion so like 3 boons were upgraded at once

[plain fossil]

Thats after a lot of trying different stuff, u dont wanna know the pain of mel torches with no aph

[tall notch]

Mel torches without Aph is just pinkn't aura

[turbid hull]

Here's the Sister Blades Hammers spreadsheet https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244751121356947486/image.png?ex=66564051&is=6654eed1&hm=6480cef8a2991e2bee0816d9c5cb737f9308d46abbd313150070c5163b78f2e0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1302&height=662

[plain fossil]

Boonboonboon is probably ok if ur like trying to chain the same build to hit a specific target but i basically never click it

[wise nest]

Melinoe be like

[white steppe]

is chaos gain enough on pan or should I get born gain

[wise nest]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-10-2023/klbLcS.mp4

[turbid hull]

midjutsu kaisen

[plain fossil]

I mean u dont need aph special as much as u want heartthrobs + duo

Ur allowed to play with demeter it makes a1 MUCH easier

[wise nest]

por que no los dos

[mystic bison]

Mel Torches without Pink Aura is just subpar I think, idk why Haelian likes running Poseidon on it

[zenith bolt]

the odds of boon boon boon not only being somewhat valuable in its own regard but also better than the other options you're presented is quite low

[plain fossil]

I dont like poseidon i find it unsafe and zdps

[turbid hull]

Okay. Next are Torch hammers.

[plain fossil]

Demeter is at least safe and zdps

[wise nest]

He's too busy thinking about how op poseidon is on other aspects without realizing torch would need you to be up close for an extended period of time

[past pewter]

Move over supersoaker, we are running paddling pool in h2

[civic ocean]

I mean I think Poseidon is fine, it gives the pushback against crowds and deals a lot of set damage

[wise nest]

It's fine but try using that in thessaly against armored groundpounders and snakes

[civic ocean]

I uhh

Have done that yes!

[mystic bison]

I mean if you want to have CC better have Demeter on the special if anything, Aphro has just too much synergy to pass up

[plain fossil]

The problem with the pushback is what ever ur actually hitting is still gonna rail u nonconsensually because it doesnt push that unit back

[wise nest]

Like it's fine but high fear you're just going to get smacked

[wise nest]

Yeah, that nerf is a bit huge

[turbid hull]

are there ppl who run often flames?

[wise nest]

Wouldn't be as bad if torch special could hitstun but it can't

[plain fossil]

I have more mel torch runs than any other setup yes

[civic ocean]

Often enough yeah

[zenith bolt]

semi-often though mostly eos, why you askin

[tall notch]

I do but it's almost exclusvely Eos so if it's anything about special hammers I can't help

[plain fossil]

I dont rly play eos but i think thats covered here lul

[mystic bison]

Grave thirst is hating on the torches rn, I haven't gotten it in a while

[turbid hull]

so that if I have questions about a specific hammer I can get help from you guys

[civic ocean]

You can try yes

[zenith bolt]

ok

[tall notch]

Can't believe even grave thirst is a hater 😔

[plain fossil]

Idk attack hammers i just know eos likes the -3 mana hammer a lot, special hammers i can probably tierlist lul

[ionic moon]

split fire is the other big eos hammer i think

[mystic bison]

And the Dire Candle hammer is garbage, bricked my run once (Icarus Keepsake)

[zenith bolt]

dire candle is hard for me to place bc it's like not run-losing but it's so goddamn weird

also you lose like any means of doing damage to groups

[tall notch]

I tried playing with it more but it just feels really awkward. I like setting up my ghost nukes

[wise nest]

is that the fire straight ahead special

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/aEDAlo2.png

[plain fossil]

Its the one fat attack +50 damage

[wise nest]

oh

[tall notch]

Oh wait dire candle not split fire, yeah dire candle is lowkey run-losing

[plain fossil]

Or whatever, +1500% that one ye

[tall notch]

I'll take a special hammer over dire candle

[wise nest]

b-but special spam

[zenith bolt]

i like split fire

[proven orbit]

It's the one fat attack that you can't get off because you dash and it cancels the channel

[plain fossil]

No matter ur build torches has a run bricking hammer lul

[spare kite]

Dire candle is certainly one of the hammers

[tall notch]

The highest dps you can get on Eos is spamming omega attacks, dire candle is basically like "you get one omega attack and that's it"

[zenith bolt]

clean candle > split fire (if i get it after oceanus) > sustained fire = furious fire > split fire (if i get it before oceanus) >>>>> dire candle

[plain fossil]

Well origin helix isnt run bricking but it makes u play like a potato to do damage so i guess it kinda is?

[proven orbit]

And perhaps the worst part is that the number is big so you'd trap yourself at least once

[mystic bison]

And the worst part of Dire Candle is it stops your attack

Like, alright if it's just one omega but don't stop the attack alltogether, it really messes with my flow

[zenith bolt]

i wish it was like attacking -> omega attack -> back to attacking -> omega attack -> etc.

[mystic bison]

Yep

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239231202674606130/1244727813274210374/image.png?ex=66562a9c&is=6654d91c&hm=57342013e113e5efcfc4bb80dbef79d3dae67f6ddc2d2d135f35ef3cddb93884& is this a sign of a good Eos run btw?

[plain fossil]

Makes me happy thats for sure

[zenith bolt]

no, the sign of a good eos run is heroic +3 born gain and 35 magick cost per omega attack

[wise nest]

lmao

[tall notch]

I would manage to OOM that in high fear fields+tartarus

[manic juniper]

any way to get faster DARK ?

[zenith bolt]

take chaos more

[wise nest]

check charon wells to maximize your ixion -> chaos

[zenith bolt]

idk how i have so much of this https://i.imgur.com/MKo4hUf.png

[mystic bison]

Lmao I got like 7 dark rn

[wise nest]

Speedrun brain makes me check wells all the time

[proven orbit]

that implies one isn't taking 100% of chaos offered. profound heresy

[zenith bolt]

checking wells is always worth i think

[mystic bison]

Lately I've been ignoring Chaos

[wise nest]

Atlas braid not being as turbo op in this game is wild

[turbid hull]

Split Fire is incompatible with Aspect of Moros

[dim kestrel]

this might be pure coincidence but I feel like I see Dark a lot more when I have the pickaxe

[wise nest]

Yeah even for high heat, the 2 guardian buff on a well item is insane potential

[ionic moon]

that's weird, maybe they thought it would be too strong?

[zenith bolt]

oh huh, charon's page on the book has the well items. nice

[turbid hull]

yeah, but some of them have random ranges and the book won't display them

[proven orbit]

2 guardian well item singlehandedly turned me into charon well fan

[zenith bolt]

archaic seal my beloved https://i.imgur.com/TxcUEjq.png

[turbid hull]

I have the random ranges on my sheet

[turbid hull]

what does Moros do again

[tall notch]

I think blowing up this many ghosts would be a frame rate nuclear bomb lol

[proven orbit]

detonate lingering ghosts with special

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/1QBi0UB.png

[ionic moon]

man you're the one with the master sheet, you tell me 😛

[turbid hull]

Ig it would have been too op yea

[turbid hull]

I'm already focusing on Umbral Flames rn

[mystic bison]

Grave thirst doesn't reset til you use the weapon right?

[zenith bolt]

how does one play moros anyway? omega special -> attacks -> omega special -> attacks -> etc.?

and just sit inside the enemy

[proven orbit]

I was alternating regular attacks and regular special instead

omega special takes too long to cast and also kills your range

[turbid hull]

oh wtf is dire candle why does it has a 16 multiplier

[proven orbit]

Although mixing it in isn't the worst idea if there is downtime

[spare kite]

Is just random

[zenith bolt]

it makes you only shoot one omega attack

[tall notch]

Instead of letting you spam omega attacks, it fires out one big expensive ghost and then interrupts your attack altogether

[turbid hull]

makes sense

[proven orbit]

reverse aspect of hestia

[mystic bison]

Alright cause the game keeps targeting the skulls and I don't wanna play the skulls lol

[zenith bolt]

you just get The Big Boy instead of multiple smaller Decently Sized Boys https://i.imgur.com/aEDAlo2.png

[ionic moon]

also i have some basic info on things like this here: https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app/weapons/umbral-flames/builds#moros

obviously not the super comprehensive deep dive like what you're doing but can help for a fast lookup

[zenith bolt]

it feels really awful compared to the normal usage of torch omega attack because once you fire your omega attack, you just... stop attacking entirely

[turbid hull]

nice thanks

soon done on the umbral flames tab. after that I'll do an hour break and return for the last two weapons

[white steppe]

god poseidon did me dirty, gave me an offer i cant refuse like the godfather
geyser ring which replaces my dem cast i use for origination or natural selection where all my boon choices are basically gone anyway cause forsaking

[proven orbit]

Seems like you would have to cope with natural selection

[fading pike]

Someone plays torches for real?

[zenith bolt]

torches are a perfectly fine playable weapon

and have multiple viable aspects

[fading pike]

Christ

[dim berry]

Bruh

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244756357132062730/image.png?ex=66564531&is=6654f3b1&hm=b9e8ff97f2342f065e82172d8d1341079f35a1e15f1c106c83ef88f75ae9edc7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1302&height=662 Umbral Flames tab finished, will come back later for the last two weapons

[fading pike]

So "shït tier" is now a crime to say

[zenith bolt]

what is the -850 on dire candle? fire rate or something?

[dim berry]

Sh it

[white steppe]

it does probably say something we have to describe torches with adjectives like "playable", "perfeclty fine" and "usable" though

[tall notch]

Interesting to see that torches have basically no "if you have something else this hammer won't spawn"

[turbid hull]

Self.Velocity on the weapon properties

[zenith bolt]

i use those terms because people tend to believe the opposite. my genuine belief is that torches are quite good in their current state

[turbid hull]

Probably the speed of the big cast?

[tall notch]

I'll die on the hill of Eos being in top5 of weapon aspects for general fear pushing

[zenith bolt]

makes sense

[turbid hull]

Might as well send the Staff one too https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244756984801267794/image.png?ex=665645c7&is=6654f447&hm=0c6805efd7a8afd7b2a4a845fe63b8d9b53a5e2169b9615414399c337a820f12&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1166&height=662

[odd ruin]

question, is it worth having multiple of the rarity up arcana cards active?

[nova dune]

The problem with torches isn't their power, it's how annoying they are to use

[thorny widget]

Do you lose out on Nightmare if you go too high fear too fast, like skipping a threshold?

[proven orbit]

I do believe they are lacking something, but that something may be more of QoL/visual feedback than raw power

[fading pike]

BC like their puny range, projspeed, damage and firerate are all-in-one combo box for instant omega long Hecate fight

[turbid hull]

now going to take a break. see you later (and as always @ me if you need anything that's not too tedious plz)

[tall notch]

Only if you are not running vow of arrogance in your fear pact

[nova dune]

You can gain multiple nightmare per run

[zenith bolt]

you have to do the testaments in order, but you can hit multiple testaments in a run, like if you do a full run at 24 fear with sister blades, you get the 16/hecate done and the 24/chronos done in a single run

[fading pike]

All I tried to build with torches just smells "kill me" a mile away compared to other weapons

[odd ruin]

haven't unlocked fear yet

[timber pawn]

Well the silver lining of my failed 5 weapon rotation is I'm currently 5th on the 32 fear leaderboard, with Persephone instead of Momus lmao

[thorny widget]

Okay great, thanks!

[odd ruin]

bruh, why is selene a thing that can appear as the first boon, so annoying

[tall notch]

There are so few 32 fear runs submitted I could send my 43 fear and be in top10 lol

[zenith bolt]

because sgg hates us

jk

[proven orbit]

clearly it's so that I can moon water to get past chamber 2

[odd ruin]

oh and the options are garbage

I wish there was an option to skip boons

[nova dune]

Where are you guys submitting runs ?

[last gyro]

@obsidian crypt regarding your feedback: You have to hit foes with your special to trigger the loaded Skulls.

[plain fossil]

I would have expected pan to be faster than momus for 32f speedruns, the big advantage of momus isnt speed its not being on the same screen as mobs

[tall notch]

https://hades2-fear-run.vercel.app/ I am sending mine here, didn't send anything to the speedrun site because they aren't actual speedruns and I don't even have an account there

[plain fossil]

And medea faster than both actually

Not that ive done a 32f on medea im potato with that weapon

[timber pawn]

it has less setup required than Pan so thats part of it

[white steppe]

isnt both pan and momus just get poseidon special and then highroll the hammer?

[timber pawn]

Ya pan uses mp though

Momus doesn't

[white steppe]

ig also momus is a smidge easier cause you can jam the -100% mana pact

which gets rid of...idk, the enemy health one?

[steel sequoia]

weirdest run so far lmao https://postimg.cc/w373pqM5

[zenith bolt]

just now realizing i have more hours on h2 than h1 now

[obsidian crypt]

Ah. In that case, that's probably what the description should say.

[obsidian crypt]

I literally never use the special because it's super weak.

[last gyro]

You certainly can feedback that.

[ionic moon]

omega special on skull is where it's at

[proven spire]

It was an ugly run (like a total of 6-7 DD ugly), but I did the 24 fear testament with Eos. Thanks @tall notch

[manic juniper]

so where exactly do i find this drop? is it where Chaos resides in his realm ?

[tall notch]

EOS GAMING

[plain fossil]

Thats true ofc

[civic ocean]

did you get got at 5 again

[timber pawn]

sure did, didnt get spiteful and timed out on my last run

also got Nem instead of Echo which was...swell

[civic ocean]

stream starts in 1 hr 15 and I'll go for 5 with a dumb build

[tall notch]

Nem replaced Echo in my 43 fear run too lol

[timber pawn]

so brutal

thats when I started to no longer believe in the run tbh

[ionic moon]

how do you unlock the last skelly statue? i have 32 underworld and surface

[tall notch]

I mean she gave me a DD so that was nice I guess

But if I got health (on antler) I would've been pissed

[plain fossil]

What, u dont like double mana pot or something

[timber pawn]

thats exactly what I got lol instead of a potential boon, or dodge, or like 2 DDs

[white steppe]

my favorite is when nem offers you meta currencies, its a free room at least

hmm yes 39 gold for 12 ash very worth very nice

[civic ocean]

when ash gives hp that will end up being worth

[pearl frigate]

What do you guys say is the best combination fear for a 16 heat no god mode run

[rotund notch]

anybody got a good build rec for no aspect axe

[plain fossil]

Weapon dependent

Weapons that can click heph have a much easier time with double damage first hit, weapons that dont use mana can click vow of arrogance/panic, slow hitting weapons dont want blue shields, etc

[tall notch]

every weapon can click Heph

[pearl frigate]

Was thinking daggers or axe

[plain fossil]

I think the only vow that is 100% a click on every setup is forsaking

[plain fossil]

Aspect?

[pearl frigate]

I use Mel aspect for Axe, Probably Pan for daggers

[tall notch]

Pen meta

[plain fossil]

Ngl i dont use a pen i just count total boons deleted and remember only if i delete good boons

[tall notch]

I genuinely am writing down every boon that got forsaken

[steel sequoia]

tried some persephone for the 1st time, the dmg was there too bad i couldnt make torrential downpour https://postimg.cc/1824Xbdn for comparisson this is a charon downpour run https://postimg.cc/PNTJCWS4

[tall notch]

I'm curious how fast Chronos phases melted

[plain fossil]

Mel axe on 16 is probably forsaking, arrogance 2, timer 1, speed 1, expensive shops 1, wandering monster 1 and then whatever else sounds fun to you. I recommend learning how to play on speed 2 asap. Dont click blue shields, dont click onion for underground and on fear 16 i dont recommend timer 2 or 3 for surface.

U can click panic if u arent intending to use spin much

[steel sequoia]

with persephone not really that fast, with charon downpour i killed in 3 casts.

[plain fossil]

And play 0 mana build

[steel sequoia]

if i had that heroic +6 i prolly would killed in one?

maybe two bc the first ones would def not stack that high

[plain fossil]

For pan it's the same except u click blue shields 2 and skip either vow of arrogance or other obnoxious stuff like wandering monster

[timber pawn]

I'm uploading my 4 back to back clears to youtube in like an hr or so btw @tall notch @civic ocean

[steel sequoia]

first specials with glory i was totally lost on how to drive it tbh

[timber pawn]

I'm still glad I recorded em even if I choked the 5th

[tall notch]

That upload is going to take a while unless your internet is insane

[timber pawn]

we have 500 up/down so....pretty good?

[plain fossil]

On either build if u aim for the heph prime early u can click first hit double damage 1 or even 2

[pearl frigate]

Thanks bruh

[timber pawn]

its exporting atm

[plain fossil]

Np gl

[tall notch]

That is pretty good

Mine is 60 download 20 upload so trying to send a 5-weapon streak would kill me with the upload time

[slate yew]

is solar ring damage increaed by cast damage increase

[odd ruin]

question, how do the spawn rates for the duo and legendary boons work?

ik, you need to have specific boons to have them appear

but do they only have a specific chance to appear or is it guaranteed?

[civic ocean]

chance

[odd ruin]

is the rate known?

[proven orbit]

There is a chance for a legendary/duo boon to generate and then it picks one of the all you are eligible for

[civic ocean]

Yes, it is in the game files, @turbid hull I believe has a sheet that can tell you more

[odd ruin]

ok

[turbid hull]

Some areas change temporarily the odds

once requirements are met, Legendaries and Duo are 10% each in most of the cases

[odd ruin]

ok, do the rare/epic or higher drop rate arcana cards boost the drop rate for the legendaries at all (I assume they don't do anything for the duo's since they have their own card)

[proven orbit]

They don't, yes

[odd ruin]

oof

[proven orbit]

Something that does is yarn from the charon well

[odd ruin]

ok

thanks for the help

[tall notch]

By some areas, do you just mean elite rooms or are there more places where your odds of getting higher rarities are boosted?

[calm falcon]

The basic aspect

[turbid hull]

Elite rooms

[tall notch]

Ah okay

[mystic bison]

Ngl putting builds together - including getting duos and legendaries feels much easier in this game (and I don't even run rarity cards most of the time!)

10 rerolls help a lot and forsaking is so good too

[spare kite]

Forsaking is hilarious

[tall notch]

✏️

[hoary mason]

anyone know when they plan on nerfing momos?

[tall notch]

Probably next balance patch, whenever that comes out

[hoary mason]

i gotta beat 32 heat by then LOL

[flint tulip]

Any decent builds for Medea? Been trying to brainstorm something but keep going back to Melinoe on the Skull

[timber pawn]

Zeus special aphro attack

Pops blitz right away so does a good bit of damage, you want to start zeus

[tall notch]

Is Demeter the third god so that you don't end up getting hit by literally every single thing in existence?

[timber pawn]

Lmao, ya I think so. Honestly you could skip aphor and go dem 2nd

[tall notch]

Then Heph 3rd? And then die anyway because this weapon is hard

[split igloo]

do you guys think there will be multiplayer added, ever?

[zenith bolt]

#hades2-faq

[tender anvil]

Demeter is weird on Medea - mobs frozen mid attack have their hitbox active, so it’s quite possible to unalive yourself ramming a frozen mob

[zenith bolt]

medea gets nothing on god 😭

[timber pawn]

Gross

Medea is tough. I've been avoiding it after my 32 with it

Boron I've been driving myself nuts trying to 5 streak all weps at 32

[tender anvil]

Oceanus, and particularly the elite snek are a nightmare on Medea, literally can only damage it with cast or timing out skulls. Extremely tough aspect

[tall notch]

I miiight have gotten hit by lasers from frozen mobs not disappearing a bunch of times

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244781934555435019/image.png?ex=66565d04&is=66550b84&hm=2fb08188d23c04d4838a47eaecd8095020fc58be41efe6a23d926b2e06e4a15d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1156&height=662 Moonstone Axe is done! The marauder slash is really killing a lot of stuff

[tender anvil]

Are the aspects random, or can you pick 5x Momus?

[plain fossil]

Holy cow 2 day response time! Uh u got 2 obvious start boon setups with mel daggers, poseidon and normal attack or aph and omega attack. I would probably recommend aph and omega attack on low/no fear since u dont need to worry about mob speed or shields

[zenith bolt]

marauder slash killing all of the omega attack stuff makes sense ig

[turbid hull]

Yeah

[timber pawn]

Rotating weps

Settled on than, momus, persephone, eos, artemis

[turbid hull]

For now the only weird incompatibility is the Flames' Split Fire being not able to spawn when you're using Aspect of Moros

[tender anvil]

That’s quite a challenge! Looking forward to seeing you succeed

[plain fossil]

Thats probably because split fire would troll moros horribly since u cant control the projectile locations and moros has a hardcap on live projectile count

[tall notch]

Thank you so much for checking the hammer compatibility @turbid hull, this is gonna be big for knowing when Icarus' keepsake is a safe pickup!

[tender anvil]

I’m at 14/15 Aspects at 32 (Moros remaining), and 3/5 weapons at 40 (minus axe and flames)

[turbid hull]

I'm tired and it's 1am in 20 min, so I'll go to bed, I will do skull tomorrow

see yall

[zenith bolt]

me reacting with skull in real life

[tall notch]

Moros remaining for all weapons 32 fear somehow doesn't surprise me

[civic ocean]

okay trying to see if attack staff can get me my 5th in a row at 32

run starts in 15 on stream

[plain fossil]

I almost wonder if the best way to play moros torches is to ignore what it actually does and play crushing comet special

Actually playing moros like ur supposed to is a worse experience than shaving ur balls with a weed eater

[tender anvil]

Eh, the way I did Meli flames is kinda aspect agnostic (Arctic Ring and spam basic special). Sad to say I just don’t enjoy flames that much (that, and Grave Thirst apparently doesn’t like em either)

[tall notch]

That's what we call some quality weapon agnostic boon stacking around here

[plain fossil]

Ye its not that bad its just super zdps if u dont click crushing comet

[tender anvil]

Chronos was a nightmare though, takes forever( Gonna be fun attempting a 40, guessing it’s going to be Eos for flames

[plain fossil]

I play a lot more mel than eos and can say pretty confidently that eos is a lot better at high fear

[tender anvil]

But otherwise excited to be done with 32 Aspects and 40 Weapons, want to try pushing Meli skulls to 45+, and Momus to 50+ (while it lasts in the current form)

[plain fossil]

Like i said, if u dont click +50 damage special then chronos is aids on that particular setup. Its pretty fast if u do its just then swarm enemies take ages so u cant really do timer 3 i dont think

[tender anvil]

Is crushing comet the one that makes specials disappear after one hit? Never really taken it, will try! Thanks for the advice!

[plain fossil]

Yes it is, i quite like it for high fear as u get to play the game with the momus setup ie ignore all mana and prime everything

[timber pawn]

Nice! Didn't see you were done with 32 all aspects. Congrats

[tender anvil]

Not yet, one more to go! But it shouldn’t be an issue

[civic ocean]

okay lets gooo

[tender anvil]

I meant as in once I’m done, I’m excited to attempt high Fear with weapons I actually prefer playing

[plain fossil]

Poor moros, nobody enjoys moros

[tall notch]

I would feel encouraged to play around with it if the ghosts were less buggy

[plain fossil]

Honestly its just mechanically broken atm i wouldnt click it even if it did triple damage from now

[tender anvil]

You can be sure I’ll post a screenshot once I’m done

[timber pawn]

Understood haha

[plain fossil]

I think theyre working as expected? Its just expected behaviour is miserable

[timber pawn]

At the gym so can't really watch but rooting for you

[tall notch]

Is the way they get stuck really intended? Eos also has lingering ghosts but they don't do that

[ionic moon]

the ghosts travel too far, they need to be easier to stay clumped for big booms

[plain fossil]

I think so? Like theyre clearly programmed with collision detection and also clearly programmed so that theres a cap on ghosts

[timber pawn]

I wonder if it should be like, after it hits an enemy the bullets stop, instead of colliding with each other

[plain fossil]

And u put that together with their pierce behaviour and default projectile speed and it all makes sense imo it just plays like absolute asscrack

[tall notch]

Then yeah if the collision detection is intended the aspect is just poorly designed

I sincerely assumed it's a bug and might've F10'd it at some point 😭

[ionic moon]

I think if they made the orbs stop right behind the first thing they pierce, it would help a lot. you want your orbs near whatever you're attacking

[plain fossil]

Oh i mean i guess its possible that they didnt intend collision detection but accidentally giving things a collision box but only for each other isnt usually unintentional i would think?

[plain fossil]

Thats the other mechanical problem right, they have full pierce and they dont slow on hit so the first projectiles end up 1 screen away

[timber pawn]

I agree but it still suffers by virtue of wanting to omega special and omega attack at basically the same time

[proven orbit]

I don't think omega special is needed if you focus on detonation

That said, it's also impractical to do omega attacks because neither special lingers long enough, and you can't really press special without breaking attack channel

Anti-synergy? Yeah.

[timber pawn]

Ya even if you're just normal specialing it still breaks your omega attack channel so you go back to tiny bullets

Even assuming that's the intended loop it just feels really bad

The loop I used on 32 was playing in melee range and keeping an omega special going and then normal attacking into it

Which worked, but was also very unpleasant

The omega special wore off right before the omega attack channel started

[fluid quiver]

what if the 6th weapon is something that allows you to summon enemies to fight as allies

i know we already have a hex that does that but still

[tall notch]

I'll buy the hidden skull aspect doing that more than the 6th weapon, necromancy seems like a skull thing

[timber pawn]

https://youtu.be/7puYyJfyIys?si=Vd3L-2ITwjaO-cJr

It exists now

It's very long haha

[tall notch]

Now you need to get 5 rotating weapons!

Then once 6th comes out, do 6

[timber pawn]

Can't wait for them to nerf trusty shield so I have to learn how to play

I need to mess around with fear setting and see if there's anything that feels safer and as consistent as my current approach

[proven orbit]

now that you say it, trusty shield do be just a better version of demeter's 1 hit barrier, eh?

[timber pawn]

It also invalidates vow of suffering entirely

Which is 4 fear

[proven orbit]

certainly somewhat viable boon

[tall notch]

I'm not touching fears above 40 if they touch my trusty shield 😭

[timber pawn]

I think they may leave it tbh

[proven orbit]

It's a decent bit worse if you play casually and lose half your healthbar in one room

[tall notch]

I guess it depends on what exactly they're balancing the game around. It shines in higher fears but without vow of suffering it's a winter coat that primes more mana

[proven orbit]

So it might just fly under the radar

[tall notch]

For your average no vow of suffering gameplay it's nowhere near as OP for defense as something like h1 divine dash was

[timber pawn]

Ya exactly

[proven orbit]

dear god the divine dash

athena's keepsake probably had 80% pickrate because of that

[timber pawn]

Crab totally unrelated but I really enjoyed your Terarria videos over the pandemic when I got really into it. Thank you for the content

[arctic cosmos]

damn, 32 fear kinda rough

been attempting it a good few times today, furtherst I gotten is fields

maybe I need to rethink my arcana

[tall notch]

What are you playing and what pact are you going with?

[tame fern]

My 32 fear strat was use Momus, pray for double moonshot, if not then repeat

[arctic cosmos]

tried with torches and daggers so far, with torches I made sure to not take the pacts that limit your magic, dagger anything goes

my surface 32 heat attempts with skull are better, died twice to eris so far there too unfortunately, but I know I can get it, was close

underworld is rough tho

[tall notch]

Which torches? The playstyles differ quite a bit depending on aspect

[arctic cosmos]

moros

[tall notch]

Ohh, can't give many hints there as I don't know how to control this thing I'm afraid

[timber pawn]

Fwiw you picked the most... Challenging torch aspect

Idk if you've tried Eos but it feels a lot better for most folks

[weary dune]

Eos a comfy

[arctic cosmos]

my strat with it is channel special, dash in and throw attack that then hit specials around me to explode and stunlock enemies

[weary dune]

And feels almost like a h1 dash attack build

But I can keep attack held

[arctic cosmos]

what does eos do again?

[proven orbit]

You call the souls back with the dash

[tall notch]

Ghosts grow as they fly further, linger and return to you if you dash/sprint

[weary dune]

Pulls your attack back to you when you dash

[tall notch]

They also get an up to 80% damage boost depending on how far the ghost flew which is pretty massive

[arctic cosmos]

huh, I guess that could be good, since youre basically double dipping on attacks, I might give em a try

[tall notch]

This is an Eos-loving discord

[arctic cosmos]

I'll be back with results tomorrow

for now its 2am and I gotta sleep lol

man, I kinda wish we had stubborn defiance in this game

would help me in these high fear runs I feel

[timber pawn]

Moros keepsake fills that role a bit

[weary dune]

Please look forward to flipped arcana

[arctic cosmos]

is that the one that keeps you alive to clear a room?

havent really bothered with it, doesnt seem worth the keepsake slot

[timber pawn]

Ya and you preserve the dd if you finish the room before the 10s

It's the closest we get to stubborn atm

[lusty heron]

Its a godsend for 32 fear with skill issues

[ionic glacier]

This is a skill issue but I've heard of "spin to win" with Thanatos axe and for the life of me I can't get high crit chance because I end up getting hit while doing the spin do I need the right hammers?

[gaunt hamlet]

Demeter and first freezing hit could help

[sour cape]

I would play Thanatos as a Cast build unless getting the speedy spin hammer

Zeus Cast charges up your crit rate fast, then spin when its safe to

[lament glade]

weed killer call that 4/20

[ionic glacier]

ohhh, I think I didn't realize I could build the crit with cast

[sour cape]

Yea any Omega hits charge it up

Zeus cast just happens to have a lotta hits 😎

[rose gyro]

So.. I just got Apollo cast, Zeus special, and their duo with aspect of Charon. If anyone was wondering, hitting a normal cast with Charon special does trigger both the Apollo cast and the duo. It’s wild.

[plain fossil]

Apollo zeus demeter is i guess the "meta" with charon

At least the high damage meta anyway due to the two big damage duos

[tender anvil]

Time to watch the show!

[warped harness]

its the only real combo with charon since the poseidon cast is so meh

[timber pawn]

thanks for the support! Wish it were all 5 weps but what can you do haha

[warped harness]

do yall think the mel axe aspect will be changed

[plain fossil]

I dont think it needs to be changed

I think the base axe swing pattern needs to be changed

[warped harness]

i feel like the damage needs to be shifted around and the mel aspect would still need a change

the axe chop is too small rn to really justify its animation length

[plain fossil]

The aspect itself is honestly fine its just that it largely buffs things u currently dont want to do

[warped harness]

the other 2 swings feel great, except for how pathetic the damage feels on both

[plain fossil]

Even second swing is too slow for 40% speed ngl u should be able to cancel them into blocks

[ionic moon]

the game is just not built for being slow and lumbering

at least arthur gave DR

[warped harness]

yeah, being locked into that chop is such a death sentence

arthur was also more consistently large and did better damage

[tall notch]

I mean the aspect kinda does nothing doesn't it

[plain fossil]

The mel recovery is really good u can feel it immediately when u switch aspects

I just want to be able to click third hit without consistently taking 75 damage

Like just try hitting skelly with spam normie attack then switch aspects and do the same with than or charon

Also i want a primary god attack boon that doesnt give me any damage but increases attack speed by like 50% please and thank u

[warped harness]

i didnt really feel it at all

[brave owl]

hi all. Currently about to fight Cerb, and I have +16 infused power from Slow Cooker (8 fire elements so far). Running Aspect of Charon axe build. much fun!

[mystic bison]

It was also faster lol

[ionic moon]

and had athena or aphro attacks to be very safe, and could destroy projectiles with swings...

[warped harness]

aphro also had the biggest atk bonus

[mystic bison]

Can you even destroy projectiles with attacks here?

[warped harness]

you could get more damage out of artemis with some luck but aphro was very consistent and gave you a little more resistance

nah just soot sprint

unless theres a hammer im forgetting

[mystic bison]

In H1 you could destroy projectiles with attacks no problem, no hammer or anything

Not all projectiles ofc, but stuff like witch projectiles, butterflies etc

[warped harness]

plus it was an aspect that majorly overhauled the sword

speaking of what if the 4th aspect for the torches gave you a flamethrower effect that latched onto enemies

[ionic moon]

aspect of ripley

[steel sequoia]

could be better but pink aura is fun https://postimg.cc/Jym7sJ8J

i smashed the field boss like it was nothing

run started real smooth https://postimg.cc/Y43rY92P/4334e3b4

[brave owl]

@steel sequoia i just had an amazing run my damn self...

https://postimg.cc/WFJgJBdt

That's probably the most legendary, heroic and duo boons I've ever had or will have in a run lol. And the only reason it took so long is because i stopped in a well room to take a phone call 😄

Was aspect of Charon - decided to do no heat because the last run was at 16 heat and got a little sweaty. I wanted to relax and GahDamn did the game deliver lol

[bleak night]

game rng when you're doing for fun runs vs game when you're doing challenge runs moment

[brave owl]

I know right ??? But it was def a ton of fun so I’m happy about it

[bleak night]

Relatable, yeah. I tend to find everything I want during meme runs

[brave owl]

i got lucky and got Rare Crop early on in like the first part of zone 2. and it affected 3 boons so that worked out well

i think sometimes its hard to tell what the game considers "boons" - rare crop and other stuff will affect some but not others. I don't like that

[bleak night]

It's confusing yeah. Bridal Glow sometimes affects boons that are already Heroic

[rain hazel]

First Eris kill 😄

[bleak night]

[brave owl]

congrats! FTB

[plain fossil]

I failed eris so much more than chronos while learning i didnt understand how bad it is to stand 0.5 screens away from her

[brave owl]

ugh i hate the torches....Haelian makes torch runs look so easy but I struggle, even with Rank V Aspect of Melinoe

[rain hazel]

Having apollo sprint helped me a lot.

[plain fossil]

Mel torches pretty straightforward to think about, u can assume u have damage covered so all u have to do is figure out how to not die

[brave owl]

yea, that seems to be the hard part - guess I will throw on posideon keepsake and hope for the best. It's only fear 2, and I need to kill Cerb for the nightmare but sheesh - most of my torch runs have been on the surface and end up failing spectacularly. -_-