h2-builds-and-combat

[lusty heron]

Hestia sprint and/or time slow hex trivialize the fight

[sour cape]

there is only Aphro for this trial

[solar summit]

torch is great in normal fights

[stoic ridge]

why are you using special spam on aspect of eos?

[civic ocean]

This is the trial where u play all aph

[sour cape]

idk the normal attack seems even worse

[mossy sparrow]

if she's in fires, hide on another side of island

[lusty heron]

Ahh

[stoic ridge]

eos is designed for normal attacks

[civic ocean]

Do you know how Eos works or what

[sour cape]

supposed to dash andd get the double hits but idk, it seems like it misses a lot

[proven orbit]

Well, this isn't a sword, and mel sure isn't a samurai

[sour cape]

and barely does any dmg anyways

[mossy sparrow]

I don't like torches, they kinda clunky
I love that special on torches does magic with it's trajectory, but it's not superviable

[sour cape]

like 30 per hit 💀

[civic ocean]

Using a pair of scissors like a hammer

"Wow the scissors sure do suck!"

[stoic ridge]

you are doing a challenge run with aphro on attack so im not surprised

[proven orbit]

(to be clear I think moros torches are fine, the button mash gameplay worked out)

[sour cape]

also she destroyed the pillar for no reason

feels bad

[viral river]

hi all -- do "cast damage" boons from chaos increase omega cast damage? or just cast? do modifiers to omega have to state omega? thank you

[mossy sparrow]

she destroys it with special attacks
like sniper

[urban pendant]

That is 100% skill issue.
You're spamming special on an aspect focused on the attack.
You're staying far away when all your damage boosts only work at close range.
Not letting Frinos tank the sniper shots smh tbh

[proven orbit]

P sure the only way for eris to break pillar is the sniper shot

[sour cape]

nah she breaks it with something else in the vid

[sand igloo]

It's funny to think about how next big update the entire Meta for builds is gonna change drastically

[sour cape]

idk how supposed to stay close and not get shot gunned

[spare kite]

They tank a lot of dmg or one hestia shot

[proven orbit]

Huh, I guess they do have some sort of hp then, interesting

[urban pendant]

Dodge through her

[sour cape]

yea that seems outrageous with no time slow

or Hestia 😭

[proven orbit]

Yeah the best strat for eris is to figure out where her back currently is and dash there

When she is firing she turns slow enough for you to stay safe

[urban pendant]

Hestia sprint is a crutch, she's easy once you figure out her tells

Also stick to her behind like glue

[mossy sparrow]

Hestia sprint is nerfed Athena and it's so good

[sour cape]

not wiht this awful build 💀

[civic ocean]

I was about to say "hey let's not go all skill issue here" but god damn

I think I would show this to Cold as a form of torture

Like I'm out loud saying usE YOUR MANA CMONNN

[proven orbit]

Admittedly this awful build will reaaally benefit from it because you get 0 damage boost at range

aphro boons fixing the issue of skill

[tame vapor]

is knuckle bone good for eris?

[spare kite]

Also why not use the Ω specials at least

[tame vapor]

or should i go lucky tooth

[sour cape]

yea Aphro boons make you do like a really silly playstyle for this weapon 😭

[mossy sparrow]

go lucky

[urban pendant]

Aphrodite's boons will nuke her if you dash into her with a bunch of spooky bois up

[civic ocean]

No it is certainly NOT the boons fault lmao

[proven orbit]

Actually now I wonder if aphro special has enough range for omega special to always get the boost

[spare kite]

Just treat the torch as a melee weapon

[civic ocean]

The torch IS a melee weapon!

[sour cape]

isnt it a ranged weapon?

[mossy sparrow]

Aphro on Eos is viable since you usually want to keep trajectory of returning spirits same

[proven orbit]

We should remove the attack from the torch so that it's not mistaken for a ranged weapon

[spare kite]

Nah

[proven orbit]

Made that mistake myself

[spare kite]

Especially with aphro dash you can just play ultra aggresive lol

[sour cape]

man this trials harder than 32 fear

[mossy sparrow]

Attack on torch would benefit from shotgun cone instead of projectiles :x
just sayin

[civic ocean]

Torch atk rly good on Eos

[sour cape]

Torch is so terrible 😭

[urban pendant]

You're intentionally not playing into the strengths of the build or the weapon
Trust me, it's not the trial

[sour cape]

well at least if epople play the trial thats going to be the impression

[civic ocean]

Nah fr you out here takin a Ferrari through the outback wilderness

[proven orbit]

I mean, torch is probably my least favorite weapon of currently available, but it's just conflicting for me, not terrible

[sour cape]

ive tried and it was even worse, couldnt even make it to Eris

maybe should just use omega cast 💀

[merry flint]

which trial you doin?

[sour cape]

the heartbreak one

[civic ocean]

Trying to loosen screws with a hammer

[merry flint]

what gods?

[sour cape]

only aphro

[tall notch]

I'll be real with you that trial was harder than my first 32 fear Eos clear because of how bad the loadout is

[sour cape]

you get no DDs, the worst boons on it lol

and no arcanas 💀

[merry flint]

oof

[spare kite]

We are gonna need a "this trial doesn't represent how the actual weapon plays" sign

[tall notch]

What's ruining you there, Arya? I can help!

[sour cape]

not doing any dmg to ERis

[civic ocean]

Did you watch the video

[urban pendant]

Bro is spamming special on Aspect of Eos

[bleak night]

Oh, are you doing that full Aphro Eos thing ?

[tall notch]

What video

[sour cape]

https://streamable.com/cneayt

yea the full aphro one

[tall notch]

Oh yeah don't even take a special boon in this trial

[bleak night]

wtf are you doing spamming specials on Eos lol

[tall notch]

You want to play attack Eos with passion dash aggression

[proven orbit]

I'm tempted to try that tryal myself but I might not have the resources for the aspect

[sour cape]

I felt like that was better since before was dying before could get to ERis

maybe just better vs skulls

[bleak night]

Ah, well you might just need to learn the basics of the playstyle for this one trial then

[sour cape]

its ok, stacking up that God Mode

[tall notch]

Have you tried playing the way I did in that video I linked earlier?

[sour cape]

Attempt number 9 since at 38% now

[civic ocean]

Im fr about to go record a video where I walk up to eris and click special 500 times and then coming back here to be like "Axe sucks"

[proven orbit]

Come to think of it, shouldn't it be called goddess mode?

[bleak night]

You should run Poseidon special

[sour cape]

yea! goddess mode would be more fitting

[proven orbit]

That's what I did on chronos and won

[bleak night]

Wait, you spammed the Axe drill ?

[urban pendant]

Row row fight the power

[proven orbit]

Yeah, poseidon axe drill

[civic ocean]

Idk man it's wild out here

[sour cape]

Trial of Doom actually gave a good build

wtf is this Eos loadout ugh

[civic ocean]

We got ppl takin like 2 calendar days to beat 32 fear

[proven orbit]

I would send it in victory boasting but it'd expose the 100k damage done with omega specials

[bleak night]

My Axe Drill is the Axe Drill that will pierce the veil of time itself

[white steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824538394506952724/1244340860116668516/image.png?ex=6654c23b&is=665370bb&hm=c35f600d45ec9c719179e5aa17c947414eb3036853239b64b46ee2f36a4d868e&
yea buddy

[proven orbit]

it was only for mobbing I swear

[bleak night]

huh, didn't they fix this ?

[astral edge]

exiting and reopening the game fixed this when it happened to me

[white steppe]

what, the 2 dagger testaments?

[civic ocean]

Ye

[astral edge]

yeah

[stoic ridge]

wonder what fixes and changes will be in the next update

[white steppe]

ill have to start bone grinding for nightmares after that smh

[bleak night]

Momus gets nerfed into the ground or changed, hopefully the second one

[astral edge]

they probably need to make some change to pan knives too

[stoic ridge]

pan is far more op than momus imo

[civic ocean]

@timber pawn what is your sum of best segments for all weps 32 Fear Imma start tracking this stuff

[bleak night]

I feel like the two priority things are Momus and Persephone changes

[stoic ridge]

its really poseidon thats what makes momus good

i still have no idea how to use aspect of persephone

[astral edge]

it shreds the bosses but has less good cc

[bleak night]

it just takes too long to fill up the Glory meter

[stoic ridge]

i feel like i sat at skelly for 2 minutes attacking him and there was only a microscopic sliver on the glory meter

[civic ocean]

boy do I have a YT video for you

https://youtu.be/yNUDxR1v6jI

[stoic ridge]

feels like they added an extra 0 in the code

[bleak night]

My god is this your own build now at this point

[civic ocean]

IDK the full charge goes off like 3 times in the chronos fight how easy do we want it to be to be invincible for 7 seconds in a fight and do like 3k+ damage

If it's even like 3k or 4k damage Persephone with Zeus cast will just trivialize Chronos

[stoic ridge]

so will zeus on thanatos or zeus cast + attack combo on staff

[rain hazel]

I can never decide what aspects I wanna use 😅

[tame vapor]

dont you have some favourites?

[rain hazel]

Realizing why Momus is used now, All the daggers seem interesting, Moros for torch but I havent tried the other one, Thanatos Id use just for the scythe but thankfully like the effects as well lol, and also unsure with skull
so I guess just daggers and skull are what I cant decide on

[warped harness]

momus is just like 3-4x damage om the special yeah

[tame vapor]

i love aspect of artemis for the big numbers and just the playstyle but pan is also good

[warped harness]

pan daggers are pretty fun, and persephone/medea are fun skull aspects

though i still think i like the base mel skull the most especially with bolstered array

[rain hazel]

what do you boon specials with pan do you use?

[white steppe]

I wonder how much of momus' strength is also poseidon legendary being nutty and so easy to get

[rain hazel]

All of my staff builds use special so it just seems like the obvious choice

[warped harness]

poseidon, aphro is also pretty good, hera could be silly but i see that used less

[white steppe]

I recommend trying omega attack mel

[rain hazel]

I figured aphro wouldnt be good since youre gonna be at a distance using it with cast

[warped harness]

omega attack mel with apollo could be very funny

[tall notch]

Are we talking about staff?

That's actually a pretty decent build that could become the staff meta with Momus getting nerfed

[warped harness]

pan daggers

[tame vapor]

honestly i half dont want momus to get nerfed

im gonna miss shredding bosses

[warped harness]

oh i misunderstood ye apollo staff

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIw_nrtPowY yeah it's good and I didn't even get the legendary here

[crimson wraith]

Has anyone made a Silken Sash & Hephaestus build work interestingly?

[warped harness]

probably with mel right?

[white steppe]

how to clear 32 w staff if you dont like momus
shows only the chronos fight
many such cases

[tall notch]

It's a build showcase, I don't have disk space to record every 32 fear run I do

[timber pawn]

oh boy, like total clear times all added together?

[warped harness]

itd be funny to go for aphro

aphro staff with the poseidon duo, using like fluid gain or smth

[white steppe]

did you hit apollo legendary or weed killer here? that mana cost lookin kinda low

[warped harness]

im a fan of the double wallop aphro

[tall notch]

Sounds greedy but could pop off if the stars align

[tall notch]

Got neither

[white steppe]

trial of haste made me a disbeliever in fluid gain that thing is ASS

[proven orbit]

Chaos has some juicy mana reduction boons for what it's worth

[tall notch]

I was gonna aim for the legendary but it just didn't want to show up

[sour cape]

Momus beibg nerfed?

[warped harness]

which is haste?

[tall notch]

It's pretty much inevitable that thing is busted

[timber pawn]

5 mins fields w/ hermes keepsake

[sour cape]

Oh thought we knew what rhe nerf going to be, agree its gonna get a nerfing

[warped harness]

havent done thatbyet

honestly its not even momus its those goofy double hammers the staff has

[sour cape]

I finished the Eos trial 👀👀

[tall notch]

YAY! Did you use the attack and passion dash for damage?

[sour cape]

At 46% Goddess mode

[warped harness]

i thought the eos trial was easy 💀

[sour cape]

Yes and face tanking Eris kinda

[proven orbit]

The goofiest hammers are twin blades special hammers

[tall notch]

It's alright but the others are usually just doing more for you

[proven orbit]

One is piercing and like 2+x dps
Another is oneshot chronos phase dps

[warped harness]

i did it first try no god mode

eris is not a hard boss unless youre on 40% vow of fury and you cant see her over your damaging effects

[tall notch]

I'll be real I struggled with that more than my first 32 fear Eos because of how goofy the loadout is 😭 At that point I wasn't used to playing passion dash on Eos

[timber pawn]

I just finished putting in all my boon data for my 32 runs. I can't get chaos boons or Hades boons in there unfortunately because the icons are the exact same for some of them

[sour cape]

I feel like none of the attacks do much dmg to her

[warped harness]

you just need to stick to her, which isnt hard with the ideal way of fighting her

[white steppe]

I feel like eris on 40 speed really depends on what attack patterns she decides on, if its rockets and shotgun you're big chilling, she could also whip out the disengaging rapid fire and melt your ass

[sour cape]

Well i guess the omega attack did but woulda died for sure if not for maxed out weak and 46% dmg reduction

[sour cape]

Usually i just hide around pillars and spam cast or time slowdowns

[tall notch]

+40% speed Eris is chill while the pillars are still there, if they get destroyed you have to actually learn the fight

[sour cape]

Or like very high DPS with Momus

[tame vapor]

does anybody know the chance to get a legendary boon ?

[sour cape]

Not this nonsense torches 😭

[warped harness]

you can avoid the purple shot with either dem boons or dashing through her for as long as you can dodge her

[sour cape]

yea the purple shot not too badz getting shotgunned at close range and dying immediately feels bad

[tall notch]

I think you are an Eos hater 😠

[warped harness]

shotgunned at close range depends

[sour cape]

I didnt play Eos before but this trial made me a hater

[warped harness]

you can tank 1 shot and dash through but if youre at range and not close enough to dash through you melt

[sour cape]

Mel is kinda nice after upgrading sonthe special last longer

[tall notch]

Tbf the trial is like the worst Eos introduction, passion dash Eos is the harder way to play and it doesn't give you meaningful mana regen

[sour cape]

At least then it deals a lotta dmg 💀

Yea fair

[warped harness]

oh yeah no its a bad intro to eos, but aphro eos itself is ok

[tall notch]

Please try it in underworld with Hera start instead of becoming a full time hater 🥺

[warped harness]

eos is honestly better thank mel torches

[spare kite]

Eos trial was what made me start playing them lmfao

[white steppe]

I will say I had a way smoother time on 24 mel than 24 eos

[warped harness]

pink aura goated but i like having stagger early game

[proven orbit]

imagine being full time eos hater instead of being a full time mel staff lover

[warped harness]

hera the goat

[tall notch]

Like if that trial had mana regen it would be fine, but you're not getting much out of that regen with Eos' intended playstyle

[warped harness]

i forget what boons i got on that run

[sour cape]

yea not being able to regen mana during omega attacks doesnt feel good

Yea

[proven orbit]

You can even dash and dodge through those with enough luck

[white steppe]

heph sprint also stops you from regenning when sprinting for any amount of time lul

[zenith bolt]

acorn shields are reminiscent of hades 1 everlasting acorn, which blocks all hits
that is to say, yeah

[warped harness]

i think this is just a problem with everything and gains should work while channeling but i think thats just me

[knotty fulcrum]

is there a mod that lets you give yourself boons and stuff like that? I want to test some things

[mystic bison]

Gains should def work while channeling

[zenith bolt]

The Lovers presumably also lets you tank an instakill, though A) it's not exactly simple to carry lovers all the way through phase 1 and B) it's not worth the extra 2s of uptime to waste a Lovers charge there

[proven orbit]

Gains not working when channeling definitely makes me upset
I kinda get the point so that you aren't doing the same move for entire bossfight, but like, being left without a weapon is even less fun

[mystic bison]

There needs to be a general gain buff not just born gain nerf

[warped harness]

^^^

[proven orbit]

And also born gain just exists so the point is moot

[warped harness]

born gain is the only gain that LETS YOU refill while channeling

[proven orbit]

fixed gain can too :P

kindaish

[spare kite]

Fluid too

[warped harness]

i dont think about fixed gain

[zenith bolt]

make born gain do self damage instead of priming and give it to hestia instead 👍

[warped harness]

fluid is alright i like my pick up blue orb gameplay

[proven orbit]

I forgot, does fluid gain only work on attacks or all strikes?

[warped harness]

all

[patent mesa]

Born Gain feels like it was designed for different game. It removes need to wait for mana, you can regenerate mana while channelling Omega and has almost no downsides.

[proven orbit]

Neat, I guess it's the low chance that confused me then

[white steppe]

i think thats trash on anything except momus lul

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/hzw8VMu.png

[civic ocean]

All weps so ur fastest clear on staff, blades, axe, torches, skull

[proven orbit]

Born gain was clearly designed with vow of arrogance in mind

[zenith bolt]

so all forms of damage except casting i think?

[civic ocean]

not each aspect

[tall notch]

Do you guys think born gain would be balanced if instead of topping your mana it just set your mana regen rate to something insane for a couple seconds whenever you run out?

[zenith bolt]

doesnt really have a large effect on born gain tbh, any higher rarity/upgraded one has effectively no downside

[tall notch]

Like, say, 30/sec on common rank1

[zenith bolt]

torches breaking up with hera to become married to poseidon

[tall notch]

It'd still kinda work on torches, you'd just let go of the attack button for a moment

[zenith bolt]

30/sec is like, tranquil gain's magick regen LOL

[tall notch]

YEAH AND ISN'T TRANQUIL GAIN INSANE

[zenith bolt]

actually it's more, tranquil gain is base 25/s

[proven orbit]

Mmm, I don't know
Likely makes it more bland in process

[tall notch]

Could keep the priming I guess so that you can't just do it over and over

[patent mesa]

But needing to stop firing Torches is at the core of problem with this boon xd

[white steppe]

born gain prime only clears on biome exit ez

[tall notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009237219216719902/1201942150166609950/DuyFSlUx.gif?ex=66541a1b&is=6652c89b&hm=dfc1bd030483396c35aae3f9f9b0acb2ff5b4f6cf48c7ea6dd9d1ca8c7d5216d&

[zenith bolt]

what's funny is this is still good

[patent mesa]

Yeah

[zenith bolt]

outside of mourning fields, you can clear a lot of regular encounters only activating born gain once or twice, if at all

[patent mesa]

But it could work mayyyybe

[tall notch]

With how much mana some of my builds are spending I'd have to actually get it pommed up heroic for this to be enough

Esp if we factor in vow of arrogance

[astral edge]

heroic born gain is what, 4 prime each time? I can work with it being per zone

[zenith bolt]

well that would be a struggle for all gains which puts it in line with them

[zenith bolt]

heroic is 4, upgraded twice it hits the minimum of 1

[tall notch]

It would probably be a high enough nerf for me to not run born gain with vow of arrogance

[zenith bolt]

well realistically you would just have to take more magick upgrades

-3- magick upgrades are worth more than life upgrades, anyway (IN TERMS OF STRICT NUMBERS)

[tall notch]

I am already taking every magick upgrade in sight at higher fear Eos

[zenith bolt]

are you running apollo leg + weed killer wtf lol

[white steppe]

the only way to give eos good dmg

[civic ocean]

Magic = damage on torches

[zenith bolt]

me if i lied

[tall notch]

It's just that arrogance can prime a loot of mana, and since I'm running antler there's likely no titan and centaur giving me some more mana

[astral edge]

simply slap aphro on eos and profit

[zenith bolt]

with antler that's fair i guess

bc you lose on like ~80? max magick naturally

[tall notch]

40 from titan and whatever the amount centaur adds up to over the course of a run

[civic ocean]

Torches are just super good at converting magick into dmg too so pots are almost like a straight dps upgrade

[zenith bolt]

centaur would be 40 or 45 depending on if you take side rooms in tartarus

[tall notch]

Sometimes I actually will run titan and let myself get hit a few times just so that I have a bit more dps for early rooms

With Eos antler

[zenith bolt]

clearly the real torches heat is dem heph weed killer + fixed gain + coarse grit

facetank build

[tall notch]

lmao

[turbid hull]

next thing I will do on my sheet (after Poms) will be adding Icons, in order to make navigation a bit easier

[astral edge]

I have a pretty good time with metallic droplet + eos

[zenith bolt]

metallic droplet is really nice for tartarus i think

[warped harness]

what about for the boons that are just a letter and a background color

[zenith bolt]

a little bit on the side of "win more" but still

[sour cape]

Wow the Artemis Chaos build is very good, got Lovers, White Antler, and actual synergy with Aphro 👀

[warped harness]

i really wanna give metallic droplet a try it looks fun

[tall notch]

Are you able to check which hammers are removed from the pool when you take certain aspects or certain other hammers? Hades 1 had this mechanic (for example spin spear couldn't get flurry jab) and I wonder if it carried over

[turbid hull]

Will add them still, and will update whenever possible

[warped harness]

hell ye

[turbid hull]

Do you have such an example?

[warped harness]

i wanna keep trying knuckle bones though whenever i have the dds for it

[tall notch]

In Hades 2 I am not certain if the mechanic carried over, which is why I'm asking about this. But Hades 1 had a plenty of these

So for example the spin attack spear aspect couldn't get a hammer upgrade that removed your spin

[turbid hull]

If someone could get me an example 🙏

(in H2)

[proven orbit]

I suspect hades 2 has such a mechanic in play too because it'd be mad silly to remove omega attacks just for omega attack hammer to chime in

[zenith bolt]

good charon start https://i.imgur.com/mmrgbjg.jpeg

[spare kite]

Check if the marauder style of hammers (hold for fast attack, no omega attack) blocks all the omega hammers

[white steppe]

aspect of artemis maybe doesnt let you take marauder slice idk

[turbid hull]

what's the name in english

[zenith bolt]

it depends on weapon, but for axe there's Marauder Slash

[proven orbit]

It's kinda impossible to verify in practice though because the RNG is too varied to reach a statistically improbable case

[warped harness]

oh yeah im pretty sure that would stay?

[proven orbit]

So someone should look in the code instead

[turbid hull]

Oh, yeah, they have excluded other hammers

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244352719519748207/image.png?ex=6654cd47&is=66537bc7&hm=eef3fa4305f94b8ec1912ec6376f695f404ca67f9b13a6f96f7efba54ac8e85d&

[warped harness]

because some hammers wouldnt really make sense together

maurader slice and then you get all omega attack hammers lmao

[turbid hull]

e.g. Marauder needs to not have

• Double Cataclysm
• Cross Cataclysm
• Vampiric Cataclysm
• Weed Killer

[tall notch]

Any chance you could complile a list and post it in your spreadsheet at some point? 🥺
This information would be massive for running Icarus' hammer keepsake

[spare kite]

Boons blocking hammers is a new one

[turbid hull]

I will, when I'm done with upgrades. Thanks for suggesting

[bleak night]

iirc Hades 1 had some hammers that just get completely removed from the pool of hammers when you pick one that is counter-intuitive to said removed boons

[spice ibex]

@bleak night I was doing great with the witch staff build you mentioned to me , but died at chronos 2nd phase . That was going to be my 1st cleared 16 fear run ( and my 3rd cleared run overall ) .

[zenith bolt]

demeter suddenly huge value on axe spin builds?

[bleak night]

Oh

[bleak night]

Dem was always pretty good on spin builds for support in Cast though

[tall notch]

Chocolat carrying the theorycrafting community for real

[spice ibex]

Also I noticed how the vow of forsaking helped getting Apollo's Legendary

[zenith bolt]

im half-joking, but it is nice that weed killer prevents marauder slash?

[turbid hull]

That's permitted because the weapon hammers are Traits, just like Boons, Hexes, Path of Stars nodes, Keepsakes, ...

They inherit different classes, but at the core they are BaseTraits

[tall notch]

It does mean you can more safely run Icarus' keepsake in spin builds if you have it

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[spice ibex]

Which one

[spare kite]

I mean that in H1 no boon blocked hammers, which makes sense why it happens here but still lol

[turbid hull]

Ah, gotcha, mb

[tall notch]

Random hammer for 20 encounters. Rn it's high value but can brick builds, knowing which boons block it could help you run the keepsake more safely

[zenith bolt]

sudden cleaver + lavender dress... this run eating good, for now at least

[turbid hull]

Alr, there's a big smash tournament I wanna watch. I may be coming later to continue upgrades, see ya!

[proven orbit]

Actually, is it known how many encounters each zone is?

[tall notch]

What did lavender do other than look pretty?

[zenith bolt]

+40% channel speed

[tall notch]

I believe there's variance

[bleak night]

I ran Experimental Hammer in a whirl build and it gave me Marauder Slash

[spice ibex]

Btw , do the " Red letter icons with purple-black background " mean that this icon is going to be added or what ?

[bleak night]

I no longer run Experimental Hammer on Axe unless I'm playing Charon

[tall notch]

Now you can if you get weed killer before fields

[proven orbit]

It does feel like it's not fixed like H1 was, but I so far wrote it away on not being used to non-combat rooms

[turbid hull]

Each god/support has 26 such icons, as "placeholders"

[spice ibex]

not each god ??

[proven orbit]

And of course tartarus will vary depending on whether you push for express route or not (though again, no clue if you are even guaranteed X non-progress rooms)

[spice ibex]

Boon gods don't have these

[turbid hull]

They do, they just aren't used

[bleak night]

Oh, are the Chaos boon icons just placeholders ? I kinda like seeing them as letters

[spice ibex]

Because these boons already have icons

[sour cape]

Wow that looks like the dream

[turbid hull]

That doesn't change my point

[spice ibex]

Lmao , they don't even always match

[proven orbit]

Don't chaos boons only show the icon for the downside?

aside from the keepsake ones

[timber pawn]

kk gimmie a sec

[spice ibex]

Wait , will also keepsakes have upcoming designs ? That's good

[zenith bolt]

making the best of a bad hex https://i.imgur.com/k6fk7jR.png

[turbid hull]

I think I am not allowed to confirm or deconfirm this

[civic ocean]

I can confirm they are going to stay rings with letters forever

[spice ibex]

wdym allowed ?

[turbid hull]

I don't want troubles with devs because I'm revealing not revealed yet content

[bleak night]

I mean they're placeholders atm with letter tags. Of course they'll have designs. What kind of designs tho who knows

[proven orbit]

For what it's worth, repeatedly forgetting to switch a keepsake to the correct starting one because they all look like rings with a small letter is good enough reason to change that

[civic ocean]

Hecate has specific dialogue about how a keepsake looks and the only way you could follow this dialogue is if you could see the icon

[mystic bison]

I had Zeus Apollo duo and Exceptional Talent by early Oceanus with Charon yesterday

[bleak night]

the funny thing about the icons on the keepsakes rn is two of them have the letter N

[blissful hound]

no, surely keep it as rings with small letters

[timber pawn]

If anyone wants my 32 all weapons excel sheet feel free to DM me, I can't post an interactable google sheet without doxxing myself lol

[spice ibex]

Are you working in the team or sth ? ( I don't have any problem , you shouldn't say if you shouldn't )

[turbid hull]

yeah, that's what happens when you have 27 keepsakes

[proven orbit]

Make them the big letter with small ring instead 🥺

[bleak night]

can't you hide the name of the owner of the excel spreadsheet

[turbid hull]

uh, no, I don't think they even know me lol

[spice ibex]

lmao

[civic ocean]

Choco is on the team in this channel that's what matters

[timber pawn]

I think the 'best' way is to use a throw away email, lemme try one more thing

[turbid hull]

I just want to avoid any issues with them, my goal isn't to bother them either

[civic ocean]

yeah copy it with a throwaway

[bleak night]

Oh, you don't have one for gaming or something ?

[spice ibex]

Out of context , who sees Zeus as very weird

[bleak night]

pretty sure everyone knows he's weird

[turbid hull]

not me, but I see Artemis as super cute

[civic ocean]

Zeus? Weird? In Greek mythology? Nooooo

[lusty heron]

say it isnt so !!

[tall notch]

She is cute

[sour cape]

Zeus is causing everything 😂

[turbid hull]

That's not even weird lol, the guy is an a**hole

[sour cape]

Yea he kinda sucks 💀

[spice ibex]

True , the new design can be better than the old one ( both are good imo )

[proven orbit]

Better yet; who is NOT weird in the greek mythology

[turbid hull]

Hestia my goat. doesn't cause trouble, is barely talked about bc she's just chill

[bleak night]

Hades is pretty chill isn't he ?

[turbid hull]

Bro kidnapped Persephone

[spice ibex]

Nah I mean the new design of him in Hades II

[bleak night]

iirc in some versions he didn't

[sour cape]

Apollo, Hades and Hestia are my votes for most chill

[proven orbit]

I mean, bro picked literal hell over sea and land fsr

[tall notch]

Just did some testing, Chaos' 500 dmg curse bypasses the damage shield from hermes sprint

[turbid hull]

Hestia should be the chillest

[proven orbit]

The irony

[timber pawn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JzAu0HMuiqSrJmM9_S2y48mtK1-8wjwe/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=100313106648967479928&rtpof=true&sd=true

[sour cape]

A lotta versions Eros shot him so thats kinda like being screwed over by the gods too 😭

[spice ibex]

Hestia and Hephaestus looks much different than the mythology says

[bleak night]

He didn't pick, iirc. They drew lots or something, and Zeus' was the winner, so he chose the obvious best one,

[sour cape]

Nah he just had bad RNG

[turbid hull]

How so?

[proven orbit]

Pretty sure there was a Hades 1 dialogue where zag asked him if he would have picked differently

[mystic bison]

Heph look is pretty accurate and Hestia makes sense thematically

[turbid hull]

Yeah, Zeus came first, Poseidon came second, and Hades couldn't choice anything but hell

[bleak night]

if he had a choice, that is. They drew lots though

[proven orbit]

Well, he did say (I think?) he wouldn't have chosen differently, so it doesn't matter if the lots were the way they were

[sour cape]

Hadesverse does its own take on myth, Hades had nothing to do with kidnapping Persephone here

[bleak night]

It's funny because when you read the actual myths, Hades isn't the one that's salty over what he got, it's Poseidon.

[mystic bison]

They drew lots in Hadesverse regardless

[spice ibex]

In the greek mythology , Hephaestus is uglier and more crippled , simply .

[bleak night]

true

[proven orbit]

I'm not arguing that part, no. They certainly did

[mystic bison]

Heph is ugly and a cripple here

[bleak night]

he was so ugly as a baby that Hera tossed him down the mountain

[sour cape]

I think hes less crippled but should be uglier

[proven orbit]

Zag was asking that as a hypothetical

[spice ibex]

Here he is a fat retired man lol

[turbid hull]

shouldn't have tried to conceive a baby alone 🔥

[sour cape]

He's "lame" which doesnt seem like wheelchair bound

[mystic bison]

Yeah he is ugly and in a wheelchair

[sour cape]

He's not that ugly

[turbid hull]

Hestia though, she's in theme

[proven orbit]

Peak uncle energy cannot be ugly smh

[spare kite]

I always took it as ugly for the gods

[sour cape]

Yea

[bleak night]

Hera when not her child: I will do literally anything to ruin your life
Hera when her child: I will make you despise me somehow.

[sour cape]

Zeus looks uglier to me rn

[spice ibex]

He looks fine tho

[sour cape]

I liked Zeus art better in H1

[turbid hull]

I mean. She can't take her revenge on Zeus for going around and cheating on her

[bleak night]

iirc the only kid Hera actually likes is Hebe

[zenith bolt]

Nemesis gets: Free Hit
You get: Mega Centaur Heart
LOL thanks nem

[mystic bison]

Hera birthed Hephaestus by herself, to make up for Zeus "birthing" Athena by himself

[bleak night]

I mean that even with her kids with Zeus, she treats her sons pretty badly

[spice ibex]

True lmao ,|| he looks like he caught his wife cheating on him||

[proven orbit]

If we measure the ugliness as wanting to look at the dialogue art for the least amount of time, I think for me aphrodite takes the win 💀

[bleak night]

LOL

[tame vapor]

at least its the other way this once

[turbid hull]

Aphrodite triggers my gay sense so I stay a bit of time on her dialogues

[sour cape]

I like Aphrodites new look

[zenith bolt]

the fated "lunar ray but kinda okay i guess" https://i.imgur.com/mQhgDzt.png

[sour cape]

bout to stab some fools 💅

[spice ibex]

Idk I like to pick her boons even if she's no need\

[proven orbit]

Not living alone and with the door being the wrong direction from the monitor does things 😅
Artistically it's great though

[turbid hull]

🔥

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean sum of best times: 85:11.78

[sour cape]

Dang that builds 👀👀

[civic ocean]

Is that all aspects or all weps

[turbid hull]

what's 85:11.78?

[bleak night]

how many runs is this

[zenith bolt]

well that lunar ray + 1 glorious disaster cleave-cast did about 10k damage in 3 seconds to cerb

[bleak night]

you're using Lunar Ray ?

[timber pawn]

5, my best run for each wep summed. Most were in the 16 min range, skulls were 19 lol

[zenith bolt]

scroll up i got real upgrades for it

[bleak night]

ooh

[bleak night]

Oh, so you don't have to stand still to fire it?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[bleak night]

interesting

[civic ocean]

I am starting to track the 32 Fear All Weapons record

This is just a start, Bismuth's sum of best segments isn't an "official" record, but it's a good bar for us to aim for - sub-85

[proven orbit]

Ye
Although, I don't think it can actually "Aim" once you fire it, so the target can escape

[timber pawn]

my skulls are an outlier I imagine you can comfortably get into the 16s with a better Medea or a omega zeus cast skulls run tbh

[zenith bolt]

sub-85 comes out to about... 21 minutes per weapon?

[civic ocean]

5 weapons

[zenith bolt]

no im a dumbass

[civic ocean]

It's about 17 minutes per weapon

[turbid hull]

does it include all aspects?

[civic ocean]

Which is going to be actually kind of insane to do in 5 straight b2b runs

[zenith bolt]

it was always the basic addition/multiplication parts of calculus questions i got wrong -3-

[timber pawn]

I could add up everything for my all aspects segmented time

wish google sheets could do time math better

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JzAu0HMuiqSrJmM9_S2y48mtK1-8wjwe/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=100313106648967479928&rtpof=true&sd=true data

[turbid hull]

Well, hope my future research on weapon hammers that exclude each other will be helpful in a way or another

[civic ocean]

Any weapon can be run as any aspect.

In theory Bismuth also holds the unofficial "record" for all aspects 32 fear as well

But mind you this is all unofficial there might be some random person in like China or Germany or North Dakota who actually smoked us in time and we just don't know about because nobody tracks it

[timber pawn]

has all boons and hammers used. I want to add Arcana and fear setups but with the current UI for those sucks and I've been manually cataloging stuff for the last like 2 hrs. I need to eat and gym lol

[turbid hull]

eat well, I gtg too. see ya

[timber pawn]

*notably does not have all chaos boons and Hades beens, also due to UI

[tall notch]

Is that back to back or the combination of best runs?

[zenith bolt]

taking uncommon grace to activate proper upbringing... now that's a good feeling

[bleak night]

I like how Proper Upbringing doesn't trigger Priming from the Vow

[civic ocean]

Currently all we have are sums of best segments, I don't believe anyone has sat down and recorded a 32 fear run with all weapons

Bismuth and I both also have the UNOFFICIAL rotating winstreak record with 4

[zenith bolt]

accursed object https://i.imgur.com/K229LaS.png

[bleak night]

You really struggled with those torches huh ?

[white steppe]

no balls

[zenith bolt]

correct

[spare kite]

What's the worst it could happen

[timber pawn]

Lmao, ya. Sure did. I think eos was just due to it being my second 32 and having to actually learn 32. Moros just sucks

[bleak night]

Moros is buggy atm, no ?

[white steppe]

I keep hearing people say that, what's buggy about moros?

[timber pawn]

Maybe?

[bleak night]

collision

[bleak night]

were you able to fix the missing testaments btw ?

[white steppe]

I havent tried yet, im playing modded minecraft lul

[proven orbit]

I suspect moros collision is a "feature"

[tame vapor]

How good is moros at the moment

[proven orbit]

It's messy but I think it's decent

[timber pawn]

That was my understanding as well. Because it spreads out the explosions

[spice ibex]

Guys

[civic ocean]

Also looking it up and dang I really, really should have recorded this run https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1244360327525564426/image.png?ex=6654d45d&is=665382dd&hm=a472bbbc306104c68301b66feece9d967821b712dcf3cdb5f3758b692832d1db&
This is would be good for 2nd on SRC 32 Fear

[spice ibex]

best torch build ?

btw , won't I unlock boon page in codex ? it would be really helpful ( with duo boons and legendaries )

[tame vapor]

#h2-builds-and-combat message I LIKE THIS ONE

[tame vapor]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[bleak night]

play pink aura

[spice ibex]

I already open this more than I open anything else

[tame vapor]

same

[timber pawn]

Wow thats speedy

[spice ibex]

Yeah bro linked it but the vid isn't loading

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1244361162775334932/lunar_ray_not_being_trash_for_once.mp4?ex=6654d524&is=665383a4&hm=80c7b7add59d5374ee2def9f4c0dbfa930a84b3b9c380ed6f6bd03cd272a37e4&

[bleak night]

wtf.

[spare kite]

Lmfao

[tame vapor]

i just realised where th is bros hp

[bleak night]

btw a Charon run from earlier https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244304526266073259/Charon_fight_no_damage.mp4?ex=6654a065&is=66534ee5&hm=d30516a4cc75c3fe1a5106eb33b5f2717f6094bd21f6e515b86e00638a8ef4df&

My Gamebar decided to record without audio

[zenith bolt]

pretty stacked run https://i.imgur.com/9RojMbM.png

[spice ibex]

Can you send me the pink aura build cuz the clip isn't loading

[tired fulcrum]

Nice oneshot hitbox

[zenith bolt]

evade evade evade is my hard carry as usual

[tall notch]

I guess we should've recorded my Charon run from earlier, that Chronos fight was pretty clean

[zenith bolt]

i love standing in the circle and not being counted as being in the circle
here's another instance https://i.imgur.com/zfSAXX7.png

[spice ibex]

@bleak night

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah another funny thing about proper upbringing is that because infusions are common boons, it makes itself blue when it activates LOL https://i.imgur.com/NjDwyoW.png

[bleak night]

Yeah, yours was really clean

[spice ibex]

watch your leg ( fingertips count )

[bleak night]

oh, @civic ocean Can you send the guide rq

[warped harness]

i really dont like how much the one shot lingers too

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml look for the torches guide

[bleak night]

is the Vercel website down ?

I checked earlier and it was, I guess it's under maintenance atm then ?

[civic ocean]

my sum of best is 88 because my axe and skull are both over 20 atm

My fastest Axe clear is 23minuteslmao

[bleak night]

It's not a fast weapon, so makes sense

[civic ocean]

Oh dang none of my runs are submittable because I don't ahve the in game timer on

woops

[steel sequoia]

any crazy soul tried a selene run?

[spice ibex]

How should I maintain that I don't stagger

[civic ocean]

put enemies in casts and get to where they can't hurt you

[spice ibex]

Solar ring ??

oh nvm

[civic ocean]

Cast boon isn't super important you can go Arctic Ring

[spice ibex]

yeah , btw shall I try to get aphrodite / apollo , and what else ?

Hera fot born gain ?

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244364094639702097/image.png?ex=6654d7df&is=6653865f&hm=87fd9cf68216ee4d90e28ff7475803fca053fdcf39bae86ad1b3632b3b9a83a0& is East's guide bugged for anyone else?

[civic ocean]

guide not edited

I want to play more before I go back to writing more

[timber pawn]

I guess I need to start recording runs w/ deaths to show unseeded. Maybe I'll save that for 1.0, it sounds annoying

[tall notch]

I do it on 40 fear onwards now, below that I don't bother

[timber pawn]

Ya I guess it depends if I want to chase 32 all aspects/weapons in a more formal capacity or not. If it's just for me I don't really care right

[odd ruin]

question, how good are Poseidon's boons, I've heard that the attack boons pretty good but I feel like demeters boon is better

[timber pawn]

Depends on wep but quite strong

[odd ruin]

currently using the staff

[tall notch]

Very good on things that multihit and double up is one of the strongest support boons in the game. Overall, I'd say tied with Hera for the strongest god status

[proven orbit]

poseidon special on staff 🔥

[steel sequoia]

afaik pos, dem are the tier S and apollo, hera S-

[proven orbit]

demeter S? I must be sleeping on freeze so hard

[steel sequoia]

this is an overall aspect tbh

but freeze is damn good in some aspects

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yhH-MBYFx7Crgg7ZzsI80QUP6FtBkdF5mrtoZVNWAT8/edit?usp=sharing here is where I'm going to track the 32 Fear rotating record and 32 Fear Winstreaks so if you record anything new for these lmk so I can put it in here

I get the sense that we're probably going to have to go on somewhat of an honor system for Winstreaks since it is brutally difficult to prove they're unseeded, which is fine since it's not like there's any money on the line or anything

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244368363149590598/20240526201507_1.jpg?ex=6654dbd9&is=66538a59&hm=13be8cb92e91091fdf107a3f1d2a155d8a4b94938b53ed5527b2ceff6b4b7001& where's the poseidon-hestia duo? Does it just not show on the right or was it baked into one of the other damage sources?

I refuse to believe it did less than Toula, I got it in Oceanus

[steel sequoia]

the dmg panel is quite bugged afaik

even more with duos and scorch/blitz

[odd ruin]

question, cross cataclysm, extending wallop or double moonshot from the hammer?

unfortunately no double attack yet

[civic ocean]

Are you building around ur special or ur attack

[odd ruin]

attack, I rarely use the special

[civic ocean]

then probably cross cata

[winged raft]

hi, i’m decent at hades (can clear 16 heat) but i have yet to clear eris in hades 2, because i can’t figure out how to dodge her, any tips lol

[odd ruin]

might be good to do double moonshot though for if I get a good special boon

[civic ocean]

Eris has a very hard time hitting you if you have Soot Sprint (absorbs bullets), hide behind pillars, and dash behind her

[timber pawn]

Technically my 4 streak has two dagger aspects which probably doesn't count in some capacity. I might try a persephone skull omega cast run when I get home

[civic ocean]

yes if you decide to build around the special instead then take the special hammer

[civic ocean]

unofficial is fine for now undoubtedly as the game matures we'll get winstreaks of like 20+

[timber pawn]

I can imagine ya. As 32 gets easier with EM etc

[civic ocean]

Yeah I might do a column for Fear as maybe people will seek 38 or 40

[tall notch]

Ouch 45 fear is where playing Momus actually starts requiring some skill, died to Hecate 😭

[vagrant wadi]

Am I crazy or is there no good stacking builds? I feel like the aspect of pan (I think that's the homing dagger one) feels so garbage because nothing I've found feels particularly useful to proc a bunch of times. Am I just missing Dionysus too much? Am I bad at the game? What's the new mechanics that I don't understand haha

[wooden pumice]

Why not just stack dmg with aphro or poseidon?

[proven orbit]

For what it's worth I don't think aspect of pan would be good with hangover

[wooden pumice]

But besides that theres scorch with extinctingushor or the duo I forgot what it was.

[zenith bolt]

pan is like the 2nd strongest aspect in the game right now. just slap poseidon special on and grab any of the like 5 good hammers for the thing

[vagrant wadi]

So it really is go for straight damage?

[wooden pumice]

Aphro is better than poseidon, but yea

[tribal radish]

I'm trying to finish out 32 fear and it's like raming my head against a wall, very hard and very discouraging. My best attempts so far are with momus but I had no sorceress arcana, which made healing too hard and I died on my way to chronos stage 3, and I almost killed eris with zeus eos flames but I died one hit short bc of a harpy. I found that deadline vow is better avoided if going for momus? What are the most op builds? Would really appreciate some tips or data

[vagrant wadi]

I dunno I feel like curses feel so useless except for cold mommy

Praying that ares makes it back into the game miss you so much

[wooden pumice]

@tribal radish https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1cxtef3/how_to_cheese_high_heat_runs_with_any_weapon/

I made a guide if you want to check it out. I intentionally nerfed myself using torches, but you can use your own build.

[zenith bolt]

vent would be better if it didn't punish you for leaning into heph, but it isn't that bad

scorch is pretty bad and only serviceable with a possibly bugged interaction (air quality)

slip is generally good, weak too (especially with upgrades)

[brittle imp]

yea i kinda agree with curse thing, except weak and daze are good
i feel like damage dealing curses just arent hitting as well for me as the first game

[zenith bolt]

daze is always a nice thing to have, both of demeter's are great cc

hitch is also really strong in mobbing

blitz is somewhat underwhelming but still usable on medea

[vagrant wadi]

Man I dunno I just feel like current meta often feels like I just don't have viable options besides wittle down in an hp slug off if I don't get the right boons, combat feels so much more like sometimes you just get a bad build and can't redeem it

I think in general I just feel weaker haha

[tribal radish]

Thank you! I'll check it out right now

[proven orbit]

I can agree that the combat feels more sluggish than hades 1 until you opt into one of the few godlike builds

[brittle imp]

that may be why im not the best with hitch, im more of a single target person so i forget to slap it onto enough enemies for it to be its best

[wooden pumice]

Use sprint for hitch, then you dont have to remember, and get aphro duo

[brittle imp]

thanks ill try that out

[vagrant wadi]

And to double down on this, I feel like you have to plan for it, whereas in h1 I feel like I could just pick a reasonably fun weapon and then let the game give me whatever and find a way to make it work

[brittle imp]

same i agree

[vagrant wadi]

That's my big issue right now, I love h2, but it doesn't feel as dynamic

[wooden pumice]

I mean it is in EA

[zenith bolt]

how the game feels is ultimately a completely subjective experience

[vagrant wadi]

EA is fair true true

[proven orbit]

I do think a lot of these issues will be toned down as boon balance improves

[vagrant wadi]

And the omega moves took a huge amount of adjusting but they're quite nice

[proven orbit]

early access hades 1 had things like pre-buff bow

[zenith bolt]

i think part of the issue is people going into hades 2 expecting hades 1

[proven orbit]

Undeniably so

[brittle imp]

the fact its in EA means im hopeful that i wont feel like this as updates come out and i get more experience playing the game

[proven orbit]

The switch to more methodical gameplay definitely made me cautious at first

[vagrant wadi]

I think there's hope for the future and it's still quite an enjoyable game, but sometimes I just feel like I'm playing it wrong and don't fully understand why I'm being punished

[white steppe]

people play a sequel and expect similar gameplay? wild

[vagrant wadi]

Especially when "punished" is an unfun whail off with enemies that have absurd HP

[proven orbit]

Out of curiosity, how far in terms of meta progression you are right now? It's almost undeniably extended in terms of how much power you have locked behind unlocks

[zenith bolt]

im gonna choose not to argue when you start off with a backhanded and rather reductive remark like that

[vagrant wadi]

I beat both bosses a few times, have a few max weapons, did like 3 nightmare runs. For sure as I progress that's gotten better

[proven orbit]

Hm, I see

[vagrant wadi]

I think with h1 too it felt more natural because I was getting good alongside getting stronger, but there's so many transferable skills that I felt like my entry skill level was high but I was weak for a long time because the cards make you so much stronger

[brittle imp]

i will say: i still dont like playing flames
or the skull even tho i know to use it as close range now
maybe thats a personal skill issue but they just do not feel good

[iron flame]

has there been any announcements for next big update. im very excited to see new weapons or familars or boons. i really love the builds and different combos so i cant wait for new options

[zenith bolt]

we don't have an ETA for next updates afaik

[brittle imp]

more options always good

yeah but considering their timeline for EA i assume the update is gonna be late this year

[wet nova]

They probably won’t be giving any ETAs anytime soon expect at least End of June onwards for anything

If at all

[brittle imp]

yeah im not expecting it summer or fall

[iron flame]

fair enough, im just trying to remember how it was early acess for hades 1.

[brittle imp]

ye thats what im thinking, i could see it before happening 2025 but like not before mid fall at the earliest

especially since alot more balance and feature juggling as to happen all at once now, rather piece by piece

[civic ocean]

idk I feel like you're pretty close to getting it

[vagrant wadi]

That's what your mom said to me last night 🥵

[zenith bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/komaru-mugimeshi323-speechless-cat-cute-gif-23363644

[civic ocean]

Good one

[vagrant wadi]

Thanks I pride myself on original and tasteful comedy

[steel sequoia]

i need time to gather nightmares so im ok with the update taking long, they said the game will release only next year anyways

[civic ocean]

Plenty of time to update ourselves in the meantime

[ionic moon]

echocolat is gonna have so much data by then that you could play hades in excel

[brittle imp]

bhjkkgf

[civic ocean]

It's good to have the extra info for sure

[steel sequoia]

im watching some new players in twitch bc im hurt of playing too much so ill take some time

[civic ocean]

I am starting to callous my thumb a little bit yeah

[steel sequoia]

im having back and thumb problems doesnt feel good to be a granny

[zenith bolt]

man... https://i.imgur.com/yqO4MXZ.png

[turbid hull]

[civic ocean]

DARREN!

[steel sequoia]

just saw a vtubber got almost to chronos with only a staff hittin +4 normal demeter attack, how is that even possible like hitting 36-46 would take a day to kill even the puppy

[civic ocean]

People play this game suuuuuuuuper sloooooooowly

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if it's possible to do a run with just smithy sprint

[steel sequoia]

but bruh, like dont you feel something was wrong?

i was really surprised she got to the 3rd left gate

hitting 40 and freezing stuff lmao

didnt knew it were possible

[spare kite]

Dodge enough and they'll die eventually

[civic ocean]

#h2-builds-and-combat message this is unironically how many new players play the game, spending the whole fight at 80% to 100% mana spamming specials or attacks and then coming in to the feedback channel or here to be like 🤓 "Uhh is it just me or are the enemies in this game snickers damage sponges? Like god I would rather do anything else!"

[steel sequoia]

yeah but normally people dies at hecate or sirens this way

[civic ocean]

it's hard to hit you when you have freeze

[zenith bolt]

and +40% speed total eclipse on hecate too, this run SUCKS bro

[steel sequoia]

anyways, i got to see the end and it was funny

[steel sequoia]

ikr, but imagine killing cerberus with 40 dmg lmao

if ur newb u barely know the mechanics

i was cheering for her to reach chronos but i knew she wouldnt reach unfortunatelly

[civic ocean]

Like, I preface this by saying to each their own and whatever gets you the dub is all that matters

But I saw people posting 32 Fear clears with run times of like 65 minutes and I'm like WHAT is happening here

[steel sequoia]

im a no timer person myself, but hey i know my limits

[zenith bolt]

cmon chaos, gimme barren, make this run something interesting https://i.imgur.com/hf7tjCn.png

no barren

[steel sequoia]

streamer is afk since than, maybe putting ice on hand

[proven orbit]

My ~0 fear skull run clocked at 49 minutes once, so throwing one or two unfortunate modifiers like revenants would probably cause that

Generally with hades if the run ever goes over 40 minutes, I start introspecting on what went so badly wrong

[steel sequoia]

past 35 u def did something wrong imo

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean just did that persephone run in 17:12. Lightning lance kept snapping to the stupid hourglasses, would've been sub 17

[civic ocean]

beast

[frozen haven]

any suggestions on how to deal with the Eris attack when she's at last health threshold and she flies up and then lands and does an immediate rapid fire aimed square at you

[civic ocean]

you should record these and put them up on SDC

[mystic bison]

Does Poseidon increase bone gain from grave thirst?

[timber pawn]

bruh, automod why. As soon as I start recording I'll probably start throwing lol.

[balmy coyote]

Is 7min too little time for 32 Fear Surface with Momus? Got to Eris with 30sec left lol

[civic ocean]

hug the pillars and dash so that they block her line of fire

idk about single segment times

[frozen haven]

what if they're destroyed

[balmy coyote]

Probably just a bad run overall, no Double Moonshot, I even got her to like 30% hp

[frozen haven]

(they weren't in this case, but would like to know)

[civic ocean]

then dash through her basically

[frozen haven]

she flies to the top of the screen usually

[spare kite]

Bring frinos

[tall notch]

Nooooooooo, died in Tart at 45 fear 😭

[civic ocean]

Then stay sprinting and get closer before you dash u gotta get quick

[frozen haven]

usually too far away to dash through her

that seems a tad unreasonable :\

[civic ocean]

You can also use time slows if you get used to the airtime between jumps

It is meant to be hard!

[spare kite]

Tbh I just pause to locate her, I ain't dealing with her

[frozen haven]

time slows?

[civic ocean]

Sorceress Arcana usually

[frozen haven]

ah

I don't use Sorceress arcana because I want to avoid having that crutch so that cronos doesn't continuously screw me

(he still does, but that's besides the point)

[civic ocean]

Well then yes Eris is a lot harder if you can't slow time - the whole game is, really

[frozen haven]

that makes sense i guess lol

[proven orbit]

me with the instant dash arcana

[timber pawn]

it does slow Chronos just not as much

[proven orbit]

If it does I absolutely never noticed

[timber pawn]

lemme check, I really feel like it does, maybe I'm crazy

[frozen haven]

possibly placebo

but I'd believe it

[proven orbit]

the worst part of chronos ignoring time stops has got to be trying to dark side hex and getting hit

[brittle prairie]

It atleast slows his adds which is pretty relevant

[timber pawn]

ya that I know doesnt*** affect Chronos lol

[zenith bolt]

gotta say, taking addled and flayed was not a good idea this run, but i am reaping the rewards https://i.imgur.com/CkTZUIw.png

[timber pawn]

that is a crazy chaos setup wew

[proven orbit]

Spicy!

[frozen haven]

i just noticed

why does vow of blood jump from 20% to 60%

[knotty viper]

Nice

[timber pawn]

I got a 17 mana regen from random chaos on my run just now lol

[proven orbit]

This right here is why we stan chaos

[mystic bison]

You want Sorceress primarily for easier biome clearing for certain channel heavy weapons in any case

[frozen haven]

I did notice that lol

[mystic bison]

For Kronos, just pray for faster channeling from hammers or Chaos

[timber pawn]

alright placebo, I'm a goober

[turbid hull]

wait until you see level 3

[frozen haven]

well i mean sure

but it's just weird lol

i guess it was like that in hades 1 huh

[spare kite]

Nah
20>40>60>80>100

[zenith bolt]

ok 4th chaos this run, will it be barren (it won't)

[turbid hull]

I hope it is for you man/girl

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/XAPH1UY.jpeg

[turbid hull]

there is no peace in this world

[sour cape]

thats no fun

Any strategies for Haste Trial?

You gotta be really fast it seems👀👀

[timber pawn]

Make sure keepsake and aspect is upgraded all the way. Try not to get hit during mobbing, always take mini boss if there is one (I don't remember)

[sour cape]

There is yea, oh wait upgrading rhe keepsake makes a difference?

Thought it was supposed ot just be level 1💀

[timber pawn]

Fully upgraded it lasts the whole 5 mins

[sour cape]

I see, thats nice

Do you go for Solar Ring?

I hate the annoyijg sucking enemies

[timber pawn]

I went for omega attack spam since you have the double omega attack hammer

[sour cape]

I see

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean if I get a torches run done I'll actually have done all 5 at 32 back to back

[civic ocean]

big swinger

[rocky flame]

Basic build idea to mess around with i've had success with - basically use any skull aspect, Dem on attack, zeus on special. Dem Freezes, dash to recover while proccing some blitz, hit again to activate the blitz, rinse and repeat

[steel sequoia]

ill keep in mind next try, the only trial i didnt finished yet

im maxed and i feel it has no dmg output for cerb

[wise nest]

You can preserve them by dodging the hestia shot, having frinos block it if you're using him, or just tanking hit

[frozen haven]

or reducing her hP enough before she takes the shot yeah

[wise nest]

I'd rather tank like 30 ish damage from the sniper than several 18 shots from the shotgun because the pillar is gone

Yeah but dps checking is generally not what people are looking for in strategies for a boss

[frozen haven]

sure

[wise nest]

If you have any movespeed bonus, including the arcana card, you can just outrun the shot if you get a long enough line going btw

So between frinos, sprinting, and tanking the shot you have plenty of options for keeping the pillars up

From there you can just hug the pillars and use your cast for extra damage if you have that card

[frozen haven]

keeping the pillars up is usually not an issue, to be clear

that question was more for the 1/10 chance that disaster occurs

I'm not sure if this is just how she's coded or if it's just luck but she rarely ever does that attack when she isn't within a decent burst range

[timber pawn]

Man I'm agonizing over eos vs mel for 32 torches. I'm leaning toward triple earth eos, maybe get spiteful going, just not totally sure it can clear 5 min timer comfortably

[civic ocean]

Pink Aura or no balls (figurative, the omega special)

[timber pawn]

That's honestly what I'm leaning toward

I think it comes online faster than a triple earth eos would

[plain fossil]

Demeter special mel torches still with aphrodite apollo

This is what ive been playing with and i prefer it to aph because u lose way less hp in erebus

[opal saffron]

Im testing out the Funeral Pyre duo boon on aspect of Eos for the torches right now, and from my mashing in the fountain area, Im theorizing you could setup some sort of macro to get the effect to proc several times within the same second

[tall notch]

Is that the Hera+Hestia duo?

[opal saffron]

The regular torches attack triggers the move and I got 3 procs in a row in under half a second by mashing in weird patterns

[opal saffron]

90 scorch whenever you are channeling moves

[tall notch]

I think someone already bugged that thing to do insane damage using daggers

[zenith bolt]

yeah https://i.imgur.com/Wi1fV2r.png

[opal saffron]

Yeah that sounds possible

[tall notch]

@tired fulcrum post funeral pyre

[opal saffron]

Either way that duo boon works great on Eos, macro or not

[tall notch]

My biggest issue with using that duo on Eos much is that I'd need to be running Hestia + Hera in the same run in a 3-god pool 😭

[steel sequoia]

looks legit, u always want hera regen

[opal saffron]

Yeah I was aiming demeter + hera and happened upon hestia

Also soot sprint works when dashing around when you fire

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244401258895380500/korb.mp4?ex=6654fa7b&is=6653a8fb&hm=de220d3721b4d861a5f4a61c9d2f23677c294bb70255e6cc3d627149fbc669b8& @civic ocean look at this Darren tech!!

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242277747909197935/Hades_II_2024-05-20_17-46-15.mp4?ex=6654810f&is=66532f8f&hm=a95d1763f76447bd97fcb31503ab6d70bbece23569261e289b3e077b0f85a8ee&

[zenith bolt]

eos with screenshake

[civic ocean]

Korbin' time!

[zenith bolt]

actually insane tech

[zenith bolt]

wtf is happening here

[tall notch]

(I died in Oceanus because the game never gave me an attack boon)

[sour cape]

Omg this is Haste trial is so dumb, ended up getting it last second cos of Poseidon Legendary 💀

[zenith bolt]

timer running out doesnt instakill you, btw

[sour cape]

Yea i know was on last hp from DD

[zenith bolt]

ah

i think i was 20 away from dying on my own winning run

[tall notch]

Was ress hex in Erebus for Hecate the meta all along?

[sour cape]

Not as difficult as the Eos one

But just more rng 😭

If get the room with thr 3 in diff corners its over

[zenith bolt]

the real win con for trial of haste is getting lucid gain replacement for fluid gain

bc fluid gain on this omega attack thing they've setup sucks

[sour cape]

Yea that helps a lot

[steel sequoia]

ive done all trials, thanatos was rough, but i couldnt make haste yet

[sour cape]

luxkily with Poseidon legendary could keep up dps while trying tk farm for bubbles

[tall notch]

If it's a speedrun thing I think you might be better off with Mel, Eos is more of a safety aspect than pure dps

[plain fossil]

Idk i think eos gives u more consistent 32s than mel

[tall notch]

More consistent but slower

And I think Bis is doing a speedrun

[sour cape]

Thanatos was the easiest of Eos, Thanatos and Haste 💀

[plain fossil]

I thought he just doing 32 with all weapons

[zenith bolt]

trial of doom is actually not that bad

[tall notch]

I think he's speedrunning that? Not sure tbh

[zenith bolt]

i dont think i even actually used moros' keepsake effect when i did it LOL

[bronze lion]

HOw does Flutter FLourish (closeup damage) work with skull's special? I obviously start out of closeup range, but I'm hitting them head on, so does it count as closeup dmg?

[zenith bolt]

it counts when you do damage afaik

[plain fossil]

It calculates on impact for torches i assume skulls are the same

[bronze lion]

so it should count? Interesting

[civic ocean]

Yes it counts relative position when the damage is done

[mystic bison]

You are always near for the skull special so no worries about that

[maiden obsidian]

hello I opened most of the aspects of weapons but cant swap between them is there a way ?

[bronze lion]

you got to go to the weapon and hit the interact button. not from the center

[maiden obsidian]

u are the best ❤️

[plain fossil]

I finally found a skull setup i enjoy, zero mana mel skulls

[steel sequoia]

with zeus spam?

[plain fossil]

Same setup as momus except skulls do huge base damage so u click a % boon instead

Its pretty fun and u get to cheese fear the same way momus does

[plain fossil]

I dont mind zeus as third god the same way i dont mind it on momus since ranged cast is never bad and the really expensive chainlightning prime is free

Obviously the problem with zeus as ever is u dont get any defenses but im doing this at like 16 fear which for a zero mana setup doesnt need defenses

[sour cape]

No you arent 😭

[timber pawn]

this was going to be 5th consecutive weapon at 32 but Im going into chronos with not apollo aphro duo, like 2.5 minutes, and 1 DD. Im kinda boned

[zenith bolt]

clutch or kick fr

[timber pawn]

died in first phase, he literally did 18 boomerangs

I am frustrated. lol WELP. RIP 5 weps run

[plain fossil]

I swear to god theres gonna be violence against defenseless automod one of these days

But yea as i was saying, 40% frisbee is hard to dodge on torches because ur weapon covers the boss telegraph

[mystic bison]

Yes you are?

[sour cape]

Rip torch 😭

[timber pawn]

ya its the most boomerangs I've seen in a minute, thats for sure

[mystic bison]

You are always near when the special hits

[sour cape]

https://streamable.com/cneayt

Clearly not

[plain fossil]

Ur probably not near to max range special projectiles

[mystic bison]

I said the skull special

[sour cape]

Ohhh sorry

Yea! that one you are

[steel sequoia]

i need a trial of haste guide im so slow

[plain fossil]

Just let the timer expire u dont die

U just take ticks of damage

[sour cape]

Take miniboss rooms, try to be at high hp

[plain fossil]

Like not trial of haste specifically but ive failed timers by 1+ minutes and been fine

[sour cape]

You can do a lot of dmg if you get the revive hex

and revive the punch guy

I almost got him doing that but then Cerb killed me 😭

[steel sequoia]

ill try some other day, fingers are hurt today im just watching lmao

[sour cape]

Eventually ended up getting Poseidon Legendary and the damage boost at the beginning and won at 15 hp 💀

[zenith bolt]

likewise for chronos if he summons the satyr hoplites

they can just delete half or more of phase 2

[steel sequoia]

im thinking on how to make a selene run work

[sour cape]

I wonder does God mode lower timer dmg?

[sour cape]

As in main dmg? I don think it can work 🤔

[zenith bolt]

only usable standalone damage options from her are total eclipse and lunar ray

lunar ray is really bad unless you have the upgrade that makes it fire on its own

[steel sequoia]

probably needs spitefull strenght to make some run work but cant be main dmg output

think it has to be a momus spiteful to make a full hex run, kinda boring

[sour cape]

I feel like Hex run would be Than Axe

since spend mana fast

[tender anvil]

Choked on Chronos doing 40 Pan. How do you deal with no time dilation while playing Pan against a +40% speed Chronos?

[steel sequoia]

yeah right, need to spent mana

[zenith bolt]

weed killer/apollo legendary eos is probably the fastest magick drain

[astral edge]

demeter cast?

[steel sequoia]

make 300+ life and dem cast

[tender anvil]

Will try, thanks for the advice

[sour cape]

Ranged cast helps a lot!

[sour cape]

Yea Than Axe though for stat sticking as well

[zenith bolt]

meh

[steel sequoia]

regenerating that mana tho

[zenith bolt]

shrimply use hera born gain

[sour cape]

Hera it is

[steel sequoia]

yeah, hera is quite good as a special since it ties all mobs

[sour cape]

Prob Hera special on Than Axe would kill the mobs though

actually would Artemis crit affect Hexes?

[steel sequoia]

idk

[zenith bolt]

pressure points probably would

[sour cape]

Cos it can also spam mana fast if you get the hammer

[steel sequoia]

i barely use hexes unless its heal

i like the summoning one but the mob doesnt help that much

[sour cape]

Crit Total Eclipse would hurt

[steel sequoia]

i mean the main reason for me to get more than 1 hex is to having an extra buff and dodge some bad room

[sour cape]

Hmmm so Artemis, do you go for Apollo or Aphro?

I guess maybe Apollo since you can stack dmg % elsewhere?

[steel sequoia]

im so bad at using than, maybe ill try mel staff than i can explore hera and hex better

[wanton cipher]

What's the meta for the torches right now?

[sour cape]

Does Riposte crit count missed attacks too?

[steel sequoia]

where is pink gang?

[timber pawn]

I gave up and did a triple earth spiteful eos run and am about to stomp Chronos zzzz. I'm so mad at myself lol

[tall notch]

Both Mel and Eos are seeing a plenty of play, for speedruns Mel wins but for fear pushing I'm honestly not sure as both are looking strong

[wanton cipher]

Thank you!

[civic ocean]

Eos has the higher jump atm right

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244416072850083983/pickaxe_tech.mp4?ex=66550847&is=6653b6c7&hm=96fe560d79a2a6bc3d60c5fa11bfd92540e21f1d8f2b15a0fb880e535e9de261& GUYS THE ORES CAN BLOCK PROJECTILES. DO YOU THINK PLAYING PICKAXE SO THAT MORE OF THEM SHOW UP IS GOING TO BE HIGH FEAR META?

[zenith bolt]

shovel for plentiful forage meta

[tall notch]

But antler

[civic ocean]

Wow this is how you win at high fear

Ore camping?

Disgusting

[tall notch]

Weapon agnostic ore camping

[timber pawn]

East I flubbed my torches clear. I went pink aura but should've gone triple earth eos

[civic ocean]

1 resource build

[timber pawn]

I 'gave up' at the end of my mel run so it looks nice on paper though lol

[civic ocean]

What do you think a good volume challenge would be for me for June

[steel sequoia]

teach people how to skulls

[civic ocean]

A volume challenge would be like

200 Chronos kills 200 Eris kills

[timber pawn]

I am out of my depth on that one haha, I feel like so much depends on how much time you've got to throw at it right

[civic ocean]

Yeah I'm not sure

[plain fossil]

We did all say 😦

[zenith bolt]

eos truthers...

[plain fossil]

I mean i play way more mel than eos i just know whats better for this stuff lulul

[civic ocean]

Bismuth just didn't want this old man to feel bad taking the winstreak from him the very next day

[plain fossil]

Its ok the only way i can streak at 32 at all is with momus so all y'all are better than me lul

[timber pawn]

I was mid way through the run by the time people replied unfortunately haha

[civic ocean]

Trying to figure out something to do with slow cooker and the fire trio for the staff

[timber pawn]

I think the main thing this says is that with this fear setup, spiteful is really, really strong

[plain fossil]

Just dont click scorch special it sucks

[steel sequoia]

im charon aspect fanboy as a good newb

[plain fossil]

I mean spiteful is always strong when u get it the problem is always erebus

[timber pawn]

ya but you go Hera first and engagement ring speeds it up enormously, generally

[plain fossil]

Engagement what

[civic ocean]

Hera cast

[timber pawn]

hera cast, does damage to spawning things

[plain fossil]

Yes i know but engagement what

-1 blue shield

[timber pawn]

I dont run it

you run other stuff

[civic ocean]

Okay so Slow Cooker Extra Dose Huntress plus the attack hammers

Can that win on staff at 32

[tall notch]

AHAHAHAH

[plain fossil]

Omg kill me seriously this automod

[plain fossil]

Er so whats the setup then

[timber pawn]

40% speed, 300% first hit, expensive shops, no healing, 25% next zone mobs, 5 min timer, prime mp, forsaking

[zenith bolt]

vow of suffering 2 over vow of blood 3 + 1 thing?

[civic ocean]

Maybe Scars III is just run on all weps eh

[plain fossil]

This feels like a white antler dontgethitever setup?

[timber pawn]

I ran a few w/ scars 2 and something else, was a bit comfier for sure

[timber pawn]

you're fishing for early heph so suffering goes away early, ideally

[zenith bolt]

makes sense

[timber pawn]

at which point everything else just hurts-less

[plain fossil]

I always run suffering 2 maybe i should switch out since it makes erebus a lot harder unless ur weapon lets u hide offscreen

[plain fossil]

What, just spam normal attack? Uhhh you can try lul

[mystic bison]

reed stalker https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1244421037744062534/Screenshot_4072.png?ex=66550ce7&is=6653bb67&hm=611629ed75fea61b763e5441956b65610f8933db41dab4e9248b38d964246106&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[steel sequoia]

reed stalker is the tomato boi?

[summer seal]

Anyone have thoughts on a good fear and arcana setup for 16 fear skulls? Either aspect of Melinoe or aspect of Medea

[mystic bison]

It's the enemy that shoots thorns at you, appears in Erebus as miniboss and normal enemy in Fields

[steel sequoia]

oh right, i cant remember them by the names

[mystic bison]

I had an awful run I died in Fields twice

Fast channel hammer carried me tho fr fr

[plain fossil]

That guy in fields is a jackass if ur on a timer

[steel sequoia]

i love the surprise hammer, always aim for it barely gets lmao

[plain fossil]

Im currently enjoying myself with zero mana mel skulls

Same setup as momus except u click a % boon like demeter or apollo or whatever

And u just throw skulls at ppl

Its nice for medium fear since u get 6 fear for free through vow of forsaking + arrogance + panic

[steel sequoia]

im playing 7m and 40% speed so i get used to it before maxing fear. having a good time with charon hammering all around.

there is no way i can play other aspect without getting my hands broke tho

[plain fossil]

Yea good choice if u switch to 40 speed later its rly hard

[proven orbit]

Huh, I just finished the heartache trial, and it wasn't all that bad

Well, it was a second try, but that's how long it took me to realize that dashing into the enemy to collect the souls deals the most damage out of what I tried

Aphro emphasizes that, maybe even too much because other gods' attacks you can just keep yourself on a line with an enemy and dash away

[tall notch]

Wp!

[proven orbit]

also I totally didn't facetank eris for 220 damage, no no

[tall notch]

I'm trying to grind 44 fear Eos right now and rng is absolutely hating me 😭

[proven orbit]

Still too deep into the grind to try higher fears, though I did turn on 40% speed in advance

RNG certainly is brutal in this game though

especially with hammers

At least with boons you can kinda spam 5 of each

[mystic bison]

Speaking of rng I feel like lately I've been missing Hades in Tartarus somewhat often

[civic ocean]

I missed him in my 4th win of the winstreak and made a big deal out of it

[plain fossil]

I feel like he's sub 80% likelihood?

[mystic bison]

I'd say more like 90-95%

[timber pawn]

back to a 2 streak, torches and axe done. Im counting my 3 earth eos as the start of it. Daggers/Staff/Skull left

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242874726209159300/1244428136444067840/image.png?ex=66551384&is=6653c204&hm=9cf7161d2ce7fd8091878442fa89c5ffc11709d5995ab974e8b0f21167dfe805& this build is very silly

big spin, and trusty shield, that is literally it lmao

[plain fossil]

Idk i miss him a lot it feels like

[mystic bison]

How many runs you got?

[plain fossil]

Idk like 30 to chronos across all fears?

40?

[mystic bison]

Well idk how many I've got up to Kronos strictly speaking, I got around 110 runs in, and let's say 70% of those have been underworld - and I was making it to Kronos somewhat consistently after run 10 or so

I'd say I got Hades pretty much most of the time

[civic ocean]

Are you actually just no selling Suffering with Shield on every wep

[timber pawn]

it seems vastly the most consistent approach lol

[plain fossil]

Doesnt everyone do this lul

Hot take of the day: if u want born gain the best way to get it is to pick 3 other gods in erebus and use ur a2 keepsake plus rerolls

I hate hera that much

[ionic glacier]

does the random arcana card from circe's keepsake stay active even after you remove the keepsake?

[astral edge]

but then I have to wait until area 3 to get my heroic boon :(