h2-builds-and-combat

[tired fulcrum]

Does it even slow timer

[zenith bolt]

it makes it Feel Heavier™️ but it also really sucks having happen repeatedly

[bleak night]

No, but it slows down the rest of the gamestate entirely

[timber pawn]

I don't think anything slows timer

[zenith bolt]

choosing boons and pausing the game pause the timer

[plain fossil]

Thats just the game trying to help u by ensuring u dont click blast effects by accident

[civic ocean]

I was talking with Coldshade about this and this also applies to the triple hearthrobs.

What makes this worse is IIRC neither of these things slow down Chronos, or at the very least, they do not slow down the instakills so they can accidently get you blown up

[zenith bolt]

npc rooms (e.g. nemesis, artemis) pause the timer

[tired fulcrum]

200 damage huge . Unless past erebus

[zenith bolt]

heroic upgraded heph attack for that 2s cooldown

add chain reaction for uhh 200 dps

[timber pawn]

Okay fair lol

[bleak night]

It's kinda annoying is all, especially when it chains to other nearby enemies, and it just slows down by 90% for a second

by Un I mean it to Chronos on 49 I died tho

[timber pawn]

Wait heart throb hits change game speed?

I'll have to re-watch my mel torches chronos

[bleak night]

They do if they hit en-masse

It happens during my pink aura meme runs

[zenith bolt]

sighs off to write a decently lengthy #h2-feedback

better to complain in the complaining zone ig

[civic ocean]

https://www.twitch.tv/east_25/clip/ShakingTubularAniseGOWSkull-sUcvQugKEVbeOv1m?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time If you watch the clip here when the bubbles pop on the tempus and Chronos en masse I am TRYING to dash+Sprint but the game is slowing down and eating inputs

[zenith bolt]

i guess it should just be "hitstop effects" as the fancy name for the issue

[bleak night]

oooh, rip

[timber pawn]

Oh ya, absolutely saw it

On one mel daggers run I was at 15 hp with antlers and got dinked by the homing succ bug if you phase him during succ animation. That was frustrating

[civic ocean]

That clip also has another piece of feedback which is that if the Chronos Instakill points to a circle that is offscreen it is visually NEAR-INDISTINGUISHABLE from the darkening of the screen when you use Sorceress

[ionic lily]

How does the slow down prevent accidental activation of blast? Doesn't it only occur after blast has already been triggered?

[timber pawn]

I believe they were just joking, you're right the slow is post-blast

[stray fog]

Have we heard anything about when the next balance patch is coming? I'm curious if we're going to see a torch patch.

[zenith bolt]

i dont think weve heard any eta on patches

[bleak night]

I almost got hit about multiple times in this clip because of the Heph boons slowing me down https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244104919762337853/49_fear_room_Hera.mp4?ex=6653e67f&is=665294ff&hm=7747ad3e20bbd78b7766e165a6cc5e1aecfce246bcb00d023972193722799ffe&

[summer seal]

Ooof, 32 fear on the surface is just ragdolling me, just got wiped by poseidon even with Poseidon Special doble moonshot. That extra speed is just brutal

[civic ocean]

I'm not sure. The Torches have the dubious position of being like actually really strong weapons that play wildly different from every weapon in the game so they take a toooon of getting used to

[zenith bolt]

It Happens When It Happens

[zenith bolt]

i think this is gonna end up getting them kneejerk buffed even though they're not really bad

[civic ocean]

Like in order for me to win at 32 with the Mel Torches Pink Aura build I had to do like 70 runs

But since I got good enough to do that I can do it pretty regularly now

[timber pawn]

Maybe it was influenced by being pretty late in my all aspects set but I think I did mel torches 1st try.

Moros was hell though

[stray fog]

Yeah totally. I just wanted to know if anything was said that I missed mostly.

[civic ocean]

But there's a lot that goes into that that is just like not using Born Gain on purpose and also playing a non-OP aspect for the first time

[timber pawn]

Oh right, you were doing the harder version too

[civic ocean]

I did Born Gain for the first time today and it was the easiest win on Pink Aura I've ever had. Training weights off fr

[stray fog]

I think balancing aimed towards casual play isn't a bad thing. And I don't think the casual player will enjoy it without outside help. But I also kinda like it sometimes? It's definitely getting easier the more I play.

[timber pawn]

I'm pretty proud of my ionic gain storm ring mel staff run lol, that was some jank

[round shell]

i think zeus is the god ive least used in my runs

[civic ocean]

One of the things that is different about Hades 2 is that the testaments require you to beat a boss (probably an end of run boss) with what will probably end up being either 20 or 24 fear with every wep

So for that reason I could see torch buffs

We are going to go absolutely buckwild with buffed torches tho

[bleak night]

same tbh

[zenith bolt]

yeah

cant wait for torches to be sleeper SS tier weapon

[timber pawn]

Same

[round shell]

axe + aphrodite attack boon

one of the best simplest builds in the game

[zenith bolt]

eos is SS tier in my heart just bc it feels good

[bleak night]

try Axe + Hera it's funni

[timber pawn]

Apollo than axe felt pretty good

[round shell]

im not a big fan of hitch

[zenith bolt]

zeus is just weird bc blitz is kinda ech and it doesnt really get buffed by his boons too much to be notable

[bleak night]

No really, try it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244104919762337853/49_fear_room_Hera.mp4?ex=6653e67f&is=665294ff&hm=7747ad3e20bbd78b7766e165a6cc5e1aecfce246bcb00d023972193722799ffe&

[zenith bolt]

and half his other stuff is just "delete your entire magick supply"

like spirit surge + ionic gain + static shock deleting all your magick and doing damage with that has to be intended

[civic ocean]

I have to be the lowest Poseidon user in the 32+ club

Crashing Wave 6 times in 270 Nights

[round shell]

HOLY MOTHER OF GODS

[civic ocean]

Wave Flourish 17 times

[zenith bolt]

though that makes ionic gain even more sad

bc its intentionally screwing you over on half the weapons

[civic ocean]

This would be unironically good if Huntress worked at 0 mana

[round shell]

Poseidon is tier S imo

[civic ocean]

Yeah, water is wet (fitting!)

[timber pawn]

Honestly spirit surge goes absolutely crazy if it's on all the time. It is a really really powerful boon

[zenith bolt]

true outside of mourning fields where you piss off 30 blood-shades immediately with spirit surge

the horde has been alerted

[civic ocean]

lmaoooo that just means it's eurobeat time

[timber pawn]

Problem is spirit surge is just a win more button on builds already running 0 magick

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[timber pawn]

But it is great in those tart skull and hourglass rooms

[zenith bolt]

zeus 0 magick spirit surge is probably somewhat real on medea where you dont really need magick and zeus special is actually good

aphro zeus ig

[civic ocean]

You can see the design right

[timber pawn]

But I had a heroic spirit surge in Oceanus on one of my runs today, I don't remember which lol. But it made an impression

[zenith bolt]

ideally you'd get these
aphro:

• flutter strike
• healthy rebound
• life affirmation
  zeus:
• i forget what his special is called
• spirit surge
• ionic gain
• static shock

[limpid flare]

is there sixth wepon beyond the skull?

[zenith bolt]

skull is wep 5

6th wep is TBD, not in the game yet

[limpid flare]

oh thanks

[civic ocean]

Spirit Surge + Double Strike + Electric Overload + 1 Blitz + Static Shock + Air Quality + Support Fire

means every hit is applying blitz and then dealing 60 immediately + 60 sometimes 120 from Surge then the blitz pops and deals 30 more chain and those chains pop the other blitzes you apply and it's just zappy zap everywhere

[zenith bolt]

does support fire cause static shock?

[civic ocean]

No the 60 is Static + Support

[zenith bolt]

or vice versa?

mm ok that makes sense

[civic ocean]

You work in like a Demeter cyclone and get the duo and now you're cracking huge amounts of lightning damage

Like that was probably the intention behind Zeus' design right

[zenith bolt]

funny enough zeus aq static shock + support fire + like poseidon special or any other low damage spam would probably make any staff viable even without momus giga buffs

i wonder if uhh romantic spark is actually a usable thing or not. reminds me of merciful end + divine dash somewhat

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think it's really neat because there's a lot of non-air synergy with Air Quality but it has a steep cost so you have to give Zeus more of your attention than pretty much any god when you build around him, even in combos.

which makes total narrative sense

[zenith bolt]

aphro zeus has the benefit of both actually being air gods so that's something

[bleak night]

Praying for more water infusions

[zenith bolt]

• hermes has air

[zenith bolt]

dionysus save me

[timber pawn]

It's probably really strong but plays jank.

[civic ocean]

Air is technically the easiest element to get but Aphrodite and Apollo don't really do much with Air Quality

[bleak night]

tryna sleep but I can't because I keep revisiting this 49 Fear Chronos fight savestate

[zenith bolt]

im thinking medea special to proc blitz bc its not super committal and you can dash right after

[civic ocean]

Unless you bad-rolled Solar Ring

[zenith bolt]

and medea zeus is actually viable outside of romantic spark meme anyway

[timber pawn]

Ya problem is the medea loop is already in their face and you probably do more damage loading attacks and special dashing

[zenith bolt]

true lol

im struggling to think of ways to easily quickly actively blitz. maybe axe special?

[civic ocean]

staff special

[zenith bolt]

momus has enough time in the sun but yeah true

[civic ocean]

on non-momus

[timber pawn]

Eos blitz works

[zenith bolt]

circe finally having its time

[tawny stag]

heroic apollo cast did 159516 damage for me this run

[bleak night]

nice

[zenith bolt]

i think on my charon 32 i had like 320k cast damage

[civic ocean]

I think going for double dunk on Charon is sadly ill advised

[timber pawn]

Honestly circe kinda works, I did a spiteful run for it, it was fun

[zenith bolt]

spiteful working a double meaning here

[civic ocean]

how often did the regen matter

[tawny stag]

what’s the point of serenity just mana?

[civic ocean]

Otherwise you just played a harder Mel Staff run right

[zenith bolt]

serenity is like, +15% channel speed i think too?

[timber pawn]

I had born gain but ignored it and it wasn't necessary. You can rely on serenity if your attack speed is high enough

[zenith bolt]

idk how much the magick regen is from serenity

[timber pawn]

I swear it increased my base attack speed too

[tawny stag]

So that’s like a mel staff

[zenith bolt]

yeah circe is worse mel staff

[timber pawn]

An enormous amount

[civic ocean]

So really you just played a harder Mel Staff run but in the future you might play a Circe run

[tawny stag]

Yeah mel staff has channel speed always

[ionic lily]

Circe is basically poseidon gain on a stick

[zenith bolt]

poseidon gain if it sucked

[timber pawn]

I spammed basic attack and then fired off a ton of omega attacks in serenity, repeat for the run

[zenith bolt]

its like a bastardization of momus and mel

[civic ocean]

but see like isn't that not what you're supposed to do? You're probably supposed to get to 0 mana when Serenity activates right?

Because you can't really use Serenity's regen if you're just spamming omega moves?

[timber pawn]

You could run huntress and 0 mana boon with circe, that's one advantage

[civic ocean]

But then she turns off Huntress!

[timber pawn]

Only temporarily right

[civic ocean]

I think what you're meant to do is just play it like a Mel Staff Slam Down Big Style build but you just don't have to take a gain, and your gain is just pressing special a bunch, put like waves or scorch on it

[timber pawn]

Ya, which honestly, pretty neat at higher fear where boons can be in short supply

[civic ocean]

Honestly all it probably needs is for the attacks that you do when you're IN serenity to apply to the NEXT serenity

[timber pawn]

I will say my serenity windows were coming up in 11 attacks

Because I had double attack hammer

[bleak night]

did you do the meme attack speed build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242833238435565620/attack_speed_attack_speed.mp4?ex=6653e366&is=665291e6&hm=a3ff4ab01192f48eeca6122045938232e0ebb682d636e4bee314ad825bd1702f&

[timber pawn]

Not intentionally but it did trend that way in the end

[civic ocean]

Did we ever find out how Exceptiuonal Talent and Double Cataclysm interact

[timber pawn]

No apollo

[timber pawn]

Doesn't it just add one instance of damage instead of 2, so 3 total

[zenith bolt]

i assume twice twice and not thrice once

but idk lol

[faint oyster]

I ended up really liking Zeus+Heph on the staff with Double Moonshot

Paired with Demeter Cast and watch the bosses melt 😄

[civic ocean]

Either way you could probably get to serenity extremely fast that way

[zenith bolt]

double wallop/moonshot would be big for circe too

[timber pawn]

Ya double wallop did work on my run, definitely

[bleak night]

I kinda wanna do the 32 all challenge as well, I still have to do it on 7 aspects

[civic ocean]

With Exceptional Talent and Weed Killer it's 40 cost for your omega special so if it's 3 times you would need only 280 mana and if it's 4 times you'd only need, what, 200 plus 1 hit?

[tribal arrow]

QUESTION, I currently have the Aphrodite duo that counts all enemies as near, and I have the Poseidon special which adds a damaging wave, I'm using the Pan daggers and spamming knives all day. I just ran into a heroic Aphrodite special trade which would make enemies take 300 percent more damage from my specials, DOES that actually equal out to more damage or not?

[timber pawn]

Could be a good palate cleanse from all the axe grinding

[bleak night]

I still have to do Charon on 32 lol

Apparently my highest on it is just 30

[timber pawn]

Just reset until you get sudden driver start lol

[bleak night]

my fear nodes should be tolerable at 32, probs no need to rere

[timber pawn]

Not sure what base damage is for the daggers but chances are aphro is a bit more damage, but poseidon may have better aoe clear still

[bleak night]

have you tried getting all your keepsakes to 32 fear as well

They have a record of what the highest fear they were used at is

Why is the alternate aspects icon a fish

[civic ocean]

Okay so an attack build would be like

non-circe staff + Huntress + Strength + attack hammers + Extra Dose + Coarse Grit + Natural Talent + Antler?

With the benefits being you could run panic?

I feel like that would unironically shred

Maybe Coarse Grit needs to go on the lame list

[bleak night]

lame list?

[civic ocean]

Yeah like back when I was doing 32 each wep I said no Momus no Poseidon no Born Gain that was the "lame list"

Maybe I bring that back and put Coarse Grit on it too

And Antler lmao

[timber pawn]

A horrifying thought

I need to sleep it's 1am here lol, goodnight gamers

[bleak night]

gn gn

[glossy rivet]

extreme measures eris be like clocket spam

[analog ether]

Trying to figure out a build that works for the Flames. On the whole, they just... don't feel impactful.

[limpid flare]

have you tried working around the special?

[civic ocean]

Do you have any maxed aspects

[analog ether]

Base is maxed, Eos I believe has one more to go.

[limber dock]

https://gyazo.com/d2cd5220f6a432e7cfdeee04a4f9ec3d

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml# look for torch guide

Pink aura is fun

[limber dock]

https://gyazo.com/dbab330b2459421513bb53098ce0a979

did i break the game 2 wells in a row

[proven orbit]

You aren't playing with maxed out scar vow, are you?

[limber dock]

50%

[proven orbit]

Huh 😅

[civic lake]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1244188317096874035/image.png?ex=6654342a&is=6652e2aa&hm=5d51ff9cc362c823646f6e27d32f24365340838a8cbbfab63ecc3c7f72497516&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1214&height=683

Pan is ridiculously strong with poseidon special
You can either fish for the unlikely Apollo duo (but honestly his gain and cast size increase aren't so bad either, and both go towards legendary, so you only need to pick up attack)
You can also go slip + scorch cast for privileged status (50% global dmg is broken) and get the steamed duo
Hera is also good for slip + hitch (on sprint usually) for privileged status, and born gain is stupid op
Poseidon gain is also not too bad since you do a lot of hits

This run on phase 2 of chronos I canceled his oneshot attack he does at the start because I phased him to half before he could finish it

[plain fossil]

fwiw i dont think poseidon deserves to go on the lame list it just happens to be good with other things that are good

maybe just because it makes erebus easier but overall i dont think its nearly as big an offender as momus or born gain

[upper shuttle]

what does apsect of charon do?

[plain fossil]

if u hit ur cast with ur omega special it blows up the cast like an omega cast for 0 mana with any effects u have that apply to omega cast

[hazy crane]

don't know if this is the perfect build for it, but pink circles of death!!!

[calm falcon]

What are some good starting boons to finally take down the big C?

I’m using illum and oros for context

[patent mesa]

Like someone mentioned here before, they stack well with Poseidon's boons

This weapons hits a lot, so it triggers Poseidons wave a lot

[proven orbit]

If you want to go the omega attack route, then aphrodite is the pick

Though in personal experience regular attacks are a lot easier to manage

[plain fossil]

mel aspect or other aspects?

[floral steppe]

How are you getting so many legendaries?

[civic lake]

I'm using the pact that deletes the 2 boons you didn't pick whenever you choose a boon

[floral steppe]

When I used that I just kept on getting the 90 gold bonus from gods that have ran out of boons

[civic lake]

In a lot of scenarios, it makes it a lot easier to get duos or legendaries
As an example, poseidon:
You can't get Slippery Slope until you have a poseidon main boon. So you get attack > banish 2 things that don't help towards the legendary
After that, you get slippery slope more easily, and as long as you're not offered both it and crashing wave at once, then the legendary becomes super easy

[hazy crane]

you do need to pick carefully, sometimes, and take the reroll arcana to make sure

[civic lake]

Or in the case of the hestia poseidon duo:
Get poseidon main attack, banish 2, make it easier to get slippery slope
Get Hestia cast, banish 2, make it easier to see the duo (and every time you pick boons from them, you're removing 3 boons from the pool that aren't the duo)

[civic lake]

Yep, I usually do a 10 rerolls setup

[floral steppe]

Is the legendary guaranteed to show up in boon selection if you met its conditions and have no other boons in the pool?

[civic lake]

Yes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/567163323062157375/1244210567158300683/image.png?ex=665448e3&is=6652f763&hm=36fb3ae5086f5550b03cf8bcb72f88a25003e188a4b6f2cd7ba9fd7f65fab0f4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309
This is the setup I usually run when doing banishing shenanigans

[floral steppe]

Ah cool. I thought all the 90 gold bonuses were just because the legendary is rare

[civic lake]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/567163323062157375/1244210901306048542/image.png?ex=66544933&is=6652f7b3&hm=20c308c58314361004061739e99ea6dfbdeb0704b441d24027ef4a5bf2bb0033&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1214&height=683
I also run this sometimes if it's low fear because you don't really need the 3 dds

[floral steppe]

Ah so fully maxxing out on rerolls and rarity, makes sense

[glossy rivet]

whats a good artemis dagger build

aphro attack?
apollo legendary?
is it hammer dependent (need explosive ambush for good damage)
what's even better than this

[bleak night]

I feel like Aphro attack will always be best on it

[rich oxide]

What's the best arcana for Aspect of Pan?

[rich oxide]

Do you like aspect of Thanatos?

[bleak night]

I like all the Axes, yeah

[hazy crane]

Charon is obviously the best aspect, obviously, but Thanatos is fun

[rich oxide]

What would be a good build for Than?

[hazy crane]

Aphro Attack + Omega Attack is pretty nutty

[bleak night]

Depends on what you're trying to do; do raw damage or stack earth ?

[rich oxide]

Damage

[bleak night]

I'm stacking Earth on higher fears and running Aphro on low-medium ones

Probs just do Aphro + Demeter then. Aphro on attack and Demeter on Cast and Sprint

Heph on Special + support if you can help it

[bleak night]

btw I reached pretty far with Mel Axe on 49

[hazy crane]

I saw the clips! Nicely done

[bleak night]

It was a miracle run in terms of boons but I still lost, so skill issue lol

[hazy crane]

I just got to Chronos on 32F with Momus, haven't beaten him yet but I think I'll be able to soon - I'm still cycling weapons and aspects to see which ones I like other than Charon and Pan

[bleak night]

I had a saved state on the Chronos fight, so I kinda just kept trying, but at the end of the day I lost that run, even if I got him on the 3rd attempt

Was mostly practice

[hazy crane]

that's a good save state to have, yeah

[bleak night]

Ooooh. Speaking of Charon, I was able to do a hitless Chronos

[hazy crane]

nice!!! I think I've gotten away with only 1 or 2 hits, both of which were resisted, but not a true hitless yet

[bleak night]

sadly the recording has no audio

[bleak night]

Oh, idk if I'm hitless then. I have some resisted hits

guess not, damageless is the better term rather, I suppose.

[hazy crane]

hahaha yeah - damageless is still fantastic, hitless is a dream to work towards lmao

#h2-victory-boasting message

I did pull off the pink circle of doom or whatever y'all're calling it though!

[bleak night]

oooh, you did a pink aura run

[hazy crane]

yeah! Didn't get the duo until literally the last moment, in the tartarus miniboss, but that was probably my fastest chronos to date

[bleak night]

It melts bosses so quickly

[hazy crane]

it really does

I think I had ideal hammers for it as well?

[bleak night]

I didn't have Growing Coils on mine, so yours is honestly a lot more ideal, too

[floral steppe]

What’s this Pink aura thing I keep hearing about

[hazy crane]

this build

spam omega special, walk into melee, they die

[split igloo]

Is that a heartbreaker build?

[floral steppe]

Innnteresting. This is aspect of meli on torches? I’ve been meaning to try and make that work, the omega special always felt awkward to me

[hazy crane]

yes to both

[split igloo]

I haven't played with heartbreaker much I need to get into it on a proper run

[hazy crane]

heartbreaker + apollo duo, aphro special, +1 omega special hammer and growing special hammer, plus a few more damage buffs and a really powerful apollo cast

I also had magick regen from chaos, on top of born gain

[split igloo]

That's. A very very good roll LMAO

[hazy crane]

15 magick / second from chaos is insane, yeah

and I think 40-50% cast damage for the apollo omega, as a little treat on top

[split igloo]

You got clips from that?

[bleak night]

It's quite fun to play, just takes a while to build, though in stages alone it's already quite strong

[hazy crane]

no clips, sadly, but lemme try something rq

[bleak night]

I have a clip

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=664823be&is=6646d23e&hm=e81b12c902b855b93943cebb47e9a1e50ce6b7bdeced326e70d33f5ba6415d99&

Just run in

[hazy crane]

ah-ha! I haven't gone anywhere yet so I still have my save from just before the fight

[bleak night]

Ooh

[hazy crane]

wait, maybe not

yup!

[knotty fulcrum]

how do you channel so fast? from that hammer?

[split igloo]

Oh my God mynt lmao

[bleak night]

Oh hiya~ It's from a hammer + Chaos boon

[knotty fulcrum]

ah ok should start taking that chaos boon on some runs for sure

[split igloo]

Am I tripping or do chaos boons feel way better on h2

[hazy crane]

okay maybe I'm not getting a clip right now lmao, lost all my momentum xD

but I do have that save file, I'm going to hang onto it

[knotty fulcrum]

have you tried this with poseidon special?

[bleak night]

I hear it's not as good, based on some people that tried it

[bleak night]

They definitely do, yeah

[knotty fulcrum]

I saw that halien keeps running it. I would give it a try but I don't want to play with keepsakes I already maxed

[split igloo]

I've tested pos special alot and it seems to only land really nice on pan and momos

That's just a feeling though I've not been running numbers

[bleak night]

Probs good for his own build, but for Heart Breaker I run other things

[glossy rivet]

is apollo legendary good for mel staff OAttack spamming? does it stack with double omega attack hammer?

[bleak night]

Unsure, but it sounds like an extremely mana draining build

25 per attack or something

[knotty fulcrum]

it does stack (it hits 4 times). and if you get hera regen you will not have to worry about mana

[knotty fulcrum]

i think I had like 60 with weed killer

[glossy rivet]

gonna do apollo start and hope for hera later
or the other way around? hera start first to maximize born gain chances?

[knotty fulcrum]

I would start with apollo. If you have rerolls you might even get hera without having to equip the keepsake

[glossy rivet]

i could also maybe use circe staff instead and do apollo start
maybe serenity can do in case i couldnt get born gain lol
though 30% faster channel is too comfy

[knotty fulcrum]

You need like 3 boons from apollo to unlock the legendary so apollo from the start is key

[plain fossil]

pink aura is def not nearly as good with poseidon, imo theres 2 choices aph or demeter. i prefer demeter on high fear because otherwise getting out of erebus is hard

[knotty fulcrum]

can you get 2 hammers on the surface?

[split igloo]

Yeah pretty sure it's one right out of the gate and one on boat? But I might be gaslighting both of us

[knotty fulcrum]

never saw one on the boat yet. I'll try to reroll to see if I get it

[proven orbit]

I don't think there is a hard limit on 2nd hammer like there was in first game, although if that's wrong, do correct me

think there were a few runs with 2nd hammer appearing in 2nd location

[plain fossil]

If u can its either bugged or insanely rare

Or theres some process to get it im not aware of

[knotty fulcrum]

well I rerolled a door like 7 times and it didn't appear

[white steppe]

yolo icarus keepsake + the hammer that's already there

[glossy rivet]

omega attack spam dagger
icarus gacha
marauder slice

[white steppe]

im always scared to yolo icarus on mel torces, I fear the stationary omega special

you can also prob get shafted on axe with psychic whirl and advancing whirl lul

[knotty fulcrum]

but psychic is really good even tho it's kinda bugged

[white steppe]

I dont like it, I swear by furious whirlwind as the one true spin hammer

[knotty fulcrum]

the cool thing is that you can activate spin while already spining.and you can spin multiple times at once

but again I don't like on some runs either cause it counts as only 1 hit

[white steppe]

i wish you could charge the omega before doing the first combo hit, i'd like it then

but I feel like by the time I charge the 2nd whirlwind the first is done already so like what was the point

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah that's true but if you can get omega channeling speed it's nice

[glossy rivet]

fix whirl bug + psychic + advancing: guan yu 2

[white steppe]

guan yu also had lifesteal tbf

[glossy rivet]

but the crits -

artemis attack in h1

[knotty fulcrum]

so are there any good zeus builds? I kinda find him more of a support god

[glossy rivet]

bring back jolted and he will become main core god once again

[rough oracle]

His lightning doesn't hit directly anymore except that one where you prime 20 mana

[glossy rivet]

need aoe on the lightning bolts back at least for blitz lightning

[rough oracle]

His blitz effect has made me feel underwhelmed
Even though it had synergy with revaal on my run

[knotty fulcrum]

at least his omega cast is like top 2

[rough oracle]

Really? Never ran his cast

[knotty fulcrum]

it does quite a lot of damage. but is more of a support boon tho you can probably make a run only with that

[rough oracle]

Well anything better than Poseidon cast

[devout jungle]

I guess it's the best omega cast for staff cast builds, not for Charon obviously

[glossy rivet]

than axe can do some serious damage with zeus omega cast

[turbid hull]

Shocking Loss does 9999 damage

(I believe 9999 is a special value for infinity)

[glossy rivet]

can it trigger on bosses lol

or go through armor bars?

[turbid hull]

No clue
No, 9999 will just one shot the armor and then enemy will be full health I believe

Finally I'm done with all gods..

[glossy rivet]

whot's a good build + weapon for doing winter harvest? (demeter legendary)

demeter attack % is so low but man idk i gotta do it to tem

[proven orbit]

I suppose you can always pick the less relevant of the two attack types for demeter (gives you freeze utility still) while having another god for the main dps

[surreal hazel]

Freeze is pretty nice for axe

high base damage, the main issue is getting interrupted

[bleak night]

I've never tried Demeter on Axe attack before

I always just put her on Cast if I can help it

[turbid hull]

My sheet should be complete for all main gods and helpers now

[bleak night]

Ooh, workin overtime I see

[turbid hull]

well I have free time so

alr, time to setup all my boons to Common in order to test Poms later...

[delicate terrace]

I got poseidon / apollo / hephaestus duos in a single run.
I felt very … whelmed

[spice ibex]

best 16 fear vows ??

@bleak night

[bleak night]

What weapon are you doing it on

[spice ibex]

rn its charon axe

[warped harness]

can shocking loss kill gods

[merry flint]

no

they can kill your night bloom summons instead

[bleak night]

probs just run the usual 16 fear stuff, primer, 9 min timer, blue hearts, enemy speed, etc

I find blue hearts pretty tolerable on Charon Axe compared to attack-based ones

[tall notch]

Whatttt that's hilarious

[merry flint]

EA baby!

[white steppe]

room 1 selene on pan on 32 heat on surface just kill me

[merry flint]

you should

[glossy rivet]

"selene smite you!"

[tall notch]

The Darren Korb special

[proven orbit]

Apparently if you keep pomming heph attack, it just won't let you pom it when it's at 2 second mark. Sad!

[spice ibex]

if aspect of pan blades ?

[bleak night]

I don't really play Pan

I have maybe 4 or 5 Pan runs in total

[spice ibex]

alr

[plain fossil]

aspect of pan 16 for me would be uh

[spice ibex]

wdym

[plain fossil]

speed 2, timer 1, enemy hp 3, blue hearts 2, healing 1, forsaking 1 and then u can pick whatever remaining sounds least terrible for u

[spice ibex]

I do timer 2 anyways

[plain fossil]

then thats ur remaining

[spice ibex]

wait

ENEMY HP 3 !

[plain fossil]

its pan

u do infinite dps ur problem is how to position and not die

[spice ibex]

speed 2 ??

[plain fossil]

i mean if ur really not used to speed 2 u can switch to something else but i recommend taking that as early as possible since trying to learn the timings with a bunch of other stuff clicked is hard

besides it makes the timer easier

[spice ibex]

nvm

shall i remove 1 enemy hp fear im 17

[plain fossil]

uh sure that or whatever else u dont like

just dont unclick blue hearts or forsaking, forsaking is a buff and blue hearts is free on pan

[spice ibex]

k , will tell u when i die

The first thing in the run is spiral knives hammer

[plain fossil]

that one is fine

[spice ibex]

very good

[plain fossil]

hook knives is the best hammer but i like spiral if i cant get hook knives

[spice ibex]

iik but it wasnt there

once a wiseman said : you cannot control your fate

[white steppe]

jesus christ the hercules chambers on 32 heat are on meth lmao, i popped 2 dds

[split igloo]

Respectfully I be avoiding that encounter on high heat lmao

[white steppe]

200 something gold cash pool after everything

[merry flint]

how can you predict it btw

[split igloo]

Praying

[merry flint]

heracles encounters make me groan

[patent mesa]

I've started prioritizing my health over anything else. Let him have his brawl if he wants to, I am sitting in the corner providing support fire :D

[shrewd crater]

anyone got surface 32 heat advice? wallahi im cooked

[bleak night]

I just kept going at it until I won, as dumb as it is as advice. Like, you can turn down a few settings and use the Onion Vow because it's not as harsh in surface runs

[merry flint]

wallahi momus is carried

[shrewd crater]

i can casually sub 15 underworld on 32 heat but surface is on another level, you literally need god rng especially if momus

and if i dont start with antler as my keepsake it feels like ill never deal enough damage

[urban pendant]

I finally managed to make torches bearable, with Eos aspect and 50% attack speed from Night Oil and Swift Strike

[patent mesa]

Well, you can reroll Ephyra pretty easily. If you like first two rooms, you can reroll Ephyra's boons by giving up until they are decent. Not a fun strategy, but it works xd

[turbid hull]

Starting to figure out the Poms of Power stats

[tall notch]

We love Eos in this channel. Welcome to the club!

[turbid hull]

Seems like the added bonus from upgrading is unrelated to the rarity, from what I can tell

[soft valve]

my arc with Hades 2 so far has been going from "cast is useless" to "cast is OP"

[turbid hull]

e.g. for Rapture Ring (Aphro Cast), regardless of rarity, first upgrade will add 5%, second upgrade will add 2%, third upgrade and more will add 1%

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244262143386189864/image.png?ex=665478ec&is=6653276c&hm=83141847a2b22147348e620f7ecc3bb2a6071ca79d8bae8b273b6cbb3ab15690&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1196&height=291

[tall notch]

Does 101% damage reduction heal you on hit?

[turbid hull]

I don't know, let me try

Idk how to get hit with that mod

[still hound]

Hello everyone, I'm a newbie. Could you please tell me how much is called nearby/far? Do Umbral Flames' Specials benefit from Aphrodite's Boon?

[white steppe]

if i was given a choice between charybdis on 32 heat or testicular cancer id kinda have to think about it for a while

[tall notch]

Idk the exact range but the specials do benefit from it
Source: PINK AURA

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6653ff8e&is=6652ae0e&hm=d98b3c127ca3c3d2f4af85863f09576eadfa7d9d893761361a1a42d9a5599e0f&

[bleak night]

[plain fossil]

nearby is just outside that range
source: play a lot of mel torches, you have to click regular special sometimes

[spice ibex]

The easiest build to beat 16 fear ?

[knotty fulcrum]

momus with poseidon is probably the easiest build for anything. double moonshot(hammer) is the best by far

but if you want smth fun I enjoy playing aspect of pan (with poseidon or aphro on special) and hook knives for hammer is the best

[spice ibex]

oh that cheese

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah

[spice ibex]

sadly my poseidon keepsake is still common

[knotty fulcrum]

eh a common special is still fine

[spice ibex]

however , the best vows with it ?

[knotty fulcrum]

one second

for 16?

[spice ibex]

I'll give you two as I'm very kind

[spice ibex]

Yeah

wait i cannot post images here

[knotty fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829664956182036492/1244270509512855592/image.png?ex=665480b6&is=66532f36&hm=51422f08a76209a272a8b5805693036ce96b0d275678075dd444fae58f4415af&

[knotty fulcrum]

you can send them on discord somewhere and copy link

[spice ibex]

Can you explain the one beside tight deadline

https://discord.com/channels/@me/1072937117673590817/1244270747967422474

[knotty fulcrum]

primes 10 magic for every non common boon (10 for rare 20 for epic...)

[shrewd crater]

hera cast is so broken when you dont have the enemy armor fear setting

literally should be a speedrun staple

[spice ibex]

wtf thats bad , but i dont think i need mana here

[shrewd crater]

if you’re using momus it doesnt matter

[knotty fulcrum]

if you want to run pan with poseidon his regen is good enough you don't need hera necesarly

[shrewd crater]

its actually advantageous to go 0 mana since you get arcana buff

[floral steppe]

Isn’t Hera’s cast the one that makes it last twice as long? That felt so useless to me, I’d rather have the ability to rapidly re-cast in different places most times

[knotty fulcrum]

it's not that bad and aalso it's bugged and it dissapears for boons that you pom

[spice ibex]

Why shouldn't I run forsaking

[shrewd crater]

it snipes enemies who spawn in

[knotty fulcrum]

you can run almost everything. personaly I just don't like to run forasking. fear is very subjective

[shrewd crater]

sometimes hard enough to 1 shot them, absolutely clears erebus

oceanus as well, it decimates the fish swarms

can also help you locate enemies fast in mourning fields

[spice ibex]

Do you think it's worse than the revenants

Thanks for that tho

Btw , any other boons shall I try to get other than poseidon

[shrewd crater]

are you running origination?

[spice ibex]

what's that

[vital jackal]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I nearly did 16 fear chronos, I only needed to hit him 2 or 3 times more, and he did his oneshot ability. I was too inpatient and run to him when it blitzed, so it hit me, even though I was safe. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[shrewd crater]

hestia or hera cast to trigger along with slip

[shrewd crater]

arcana makes you deal more damage when enemy has 2 status effects

[spice ibex]

oh nah

[knotty fulcrum]

you should try to get origination going but other than that is mostly just trying to get poseidon legendary

[spice ibex]

But why origination ?

[knotty fulcrum]

+50% damage and not to hard to get going

[spice ibex]

the best way to proc it then ?

[knotty fulcrum]

well you get slip from poseidon after special and smth on cast ig since you will use cast a lot. but maybe even smth on dash

[carmine lagoon]

really easy is demeter cast, theres a boon which gives another curse from the cast so you can proc it with just the cast

[spice ibex]

alr guys

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072937117673590817/1244272393761980568/image.png?ex=66548278&is=665330f8&hm=02560dc170ec0f15f870cbba83b21a735c4ea934f89742e9a75f6684a11139b4&

Is that good

[carmine lagoon]

you dont have origination on

[spice ibex]

Yes that's why I'm asking indirectly what to replace it with

[carmine lagoon]

ah okay

[spice ibex]

I feel most of what I have on is vital

[carmine lagoon]

are you going for the duo?

[spice ibex]

which

[carmine lagoon]

just any duos

[spice ibex]

don't think so

[carmine lagoon]

then id turn off XIX and put on XVII and either X or XI, to get the dodge chance from V

[spice ibex]

u sre turn of XIX ? It gives 40 precent improved rarity

[spice ibex]

I can put both of X aand XI

I have the origination lvl 1

[ionic lily]

Rarity, even at low fear, is nice but not needed

[plain fossil]

If ur trying to hit poseidon legendary then the vows posted above are wrong btw

And if ur playing momus then the meta for vows looks pretty different to that

U want to click vow of forsaking pretty much always, its a buff when looking for legendaries, and on momus u also want vow of arrogance and vow of panic

[turbid hull]

Looking at the upgrade code... Holy damn, it's way more complicated than I thought

[plain fossil]

Momus doesnt care about mana so it gets to play with 4 bonus fear for free

[carmine lagoon]

Upgrade for what

[turbid hull]

Boons

[rich plume]

i imagine this was probably asked a lot lul but what are the best arcana and oaths for the torches last trial (24 fear)?

[spice ibex]

im very unlucky on my cheese run lmaoo

[steel sequoia]

charon aspect is funny af, chronos died with 3 casts https://postimg.cc/WdBDH3B3

[turbid hull]

FIGURED OUT UPGRADES algorithm is tricky but I can do it

[tame vector]

Does torrential downpour benefit the cast being detonated by aspect of Charon?

[spare kite]

Yeah, no extra mp too

[timber pawn]

Couple things: for arcana I recommend not having any boon rarity arcana turned on, and then taking both levels of vow of arrogance. Vow of forsaking is also good. I'd recommend probably the 7 min timer. A lot of the rest is preference.

[tame vector]

Niceeee, thanks

[turbid hull]

For example, upgrading Glamour Gain will add...

• if first time upgrading, +1.98 Magick Regen
• if second time upgrading, +0.99 Magick Regen
• if third time upgrading, or more, +0.6 Magick Regen

[stuck leaf]

Any tips on a fun torches build ?

[timber pawn]

For some reason I expected it to be like hard coded values per boon which, saying out loud, I realize would be really inefficient

[turbid hull]

It is hard coded values per boon

[proven orbit]

Well, it is

[turbid hull]

However, it's only a set of about 8 or 9 variables per boon, which define the entirety of all possible level + rarity combo

I would argue it's efficient, it's just complicated

[proven orbit]

There aren't a whole lot of boon x pom level values so hardcoding isn't painfully time consuming

[timber pawn]

Aphrodite mel aspect aka Pink aura, you want aphro special and heart throb, and then go Apollo for the aph/Apollo duo and maybe Apollo legendary

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1244280927455023124/image.png?ex=66548a6a&is=665338ea&hm=d70dbac8a6f448b6b52637523b8dd3f90231c73b031204eae7d9343bc03c9e74&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

[stuck leaf]

Thanks! Will try

[proven orbit]

And it ensures there aren't any weird fractions or oversights

[merry flint]

damn, didn't embed

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244281062205554739/image.png?ex=66548a8a&is=6653390a&hm=fd45df10dbc508c52193f209de555c16d31980c73fe68f915211c511d456d53c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1200&height=266

[turbid hull]

there are weird fractions and oversights

[proven orbit]

they are deliberate fractions, of course

[merry flint]

finally something to run with apollo magic increases

[turbid hull]

for example, some levels of Glamour Gain (40% of them past the 3rd upgrade actually) don't give any visible change (it adds 0.6, but sometimes game just rounds the final number to make it nothing)

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/487676533344043028/1244281541434015754/image.png?ex=66548afd&is=6653397d&hm=41a8af1f92650004672e2ef0c707964c4c69d5c1dd1925e0728e6f2f653fdd61&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244281573377835058/image.png?ex=66548b04&is=66533984&hm=5abbb92b38cf444d2779342a39beff0bdc9a58ffa12c406495ba54f7094bb472&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1182&height=306

[merry flint]

general arcana loadout

[proven orbit]

Do you know if said rounding is visual only or if it actually affects the outcome?

[turbid hull]

I don't know

[tall notch]

Did someone say pink aura?

[timber pawn]

Someone just posted a victory with it too, unrelated to this convo

[bleak night]

did someone say Pink Aura ?

[steel sequoia]

hera+zeus is crossed here, i get f too many times

[warped harness]

someone mentions pink aura once and the pink aura squad comes out of the woodwork

[bleak night]

[tall notch]

East won with it on stream last night. The aura was very pink

[bleak night]

ooh, when is East live ?

[tall notch]

I'm not sure what his schedule is but he tends to mention it here or in self-promo when he goes live

[knotty fulcrum]

anyone knows what the chance of a legendary to appear is? on normal god and on "boosted" god (the ones at miniboses or in some shops)

[steel sequoia]

legendary has a good chance to appear if you fill their requirements

somtimess u need 1 reroll tho, but usually when u get the 3 requirements done it appears asap

here if u need info about duo + legendary https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[knotty fulcrum]

idk just had a run and it didn't show up even tho I met the god like 5 times after completing the requirements

[steel sequoia]

u probably were missing one boon

[knotty fulcrum]

nah I checked multiple times

[steel sequoia]

did u rerolled anytime?

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah but I ran out of rerolls at the end

[steel sequoia]

welp idk whats the problem srry, but always worked for me

what was the boon?

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah I was just unlucky was just curios what the chances are for that to happen

[knotty fulcrum]

apollo legendary

[steel sequoia]

i get that one automatically in early games, try again and good luck

did you gave nectar to apollo?

[turbid hull]

Default legendary rate is 10% chance (if requirements are met)

[knotty fulcrum]

I think so yeah? does that have any effect on what boons you get?

[knotty fulcrum]

doesn't matter if it is the type of boon that has the arrows pointed up (and has like rare boons or better only)?

[steel sequoia]

idk, id try just in case

[tame vector]

What exactly is pink aura?

[knotty fulcrum]

mel torches aphro special and also heartthrobs and you should go for apollo-aphro duo and apollo legendary

[warped harness]

Mel Toches with the aphrodite special and her heartthrob boon

pair her with apollo for the duo and potentially the apollo legendary if you luck into it

[inland thunder]

has anyone ever gotten a second artemis boon? Or is it always gonna be just the one time?

[warped harness]

ive never seen double arty

[steel sequoia]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2515900604546714120/B7570BB6FC42844828141FC59BAB9A2220EFDA26/ sunny disp is so nice

[steel sequoia]

think is just one time, tho i managed to make a heroic for it once

[warped harness]

i think rare heartthrob at +3 is like 224 damage which is insane

[inland thunder]

that's some mad luck right there

[tame vector]

Niiiice i love build names

[warped harness]

where is the pink aura image

[steel sequoia]

not really actually, you need to use a keepsake for that https://postimg.cc/z3Kxtb4L

[tall notch]

It's 0.1^x where x is the amount of times you saw an Apollo boon selection after meeting the prerequisites, I think

[steel sequoia]

the one that turn 1 random common into heroic, so you use it before drinking the fountain with 1 boon and voila (protip)

[tall notch]

@bleak night

[steel sequoia]

also work for fixing some builds if ur lucky

[warped harness]

i forget what aphro legendary does

[knotty fulcrum]

so it gets lower every time?

[steel sequoia]

i should try making heph heroic with that more often

[knotty fulcrum]

charms one enemy in every room

[warped harness]

rightt

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6653ff8e&is=6652ae0e&hm=d98b3c127ca3c3d2f4af85863f09576eadfa7d9d893761361a1a42d9a5599e0f&

[tall notch]

That's what statistics would suggest

[warped harness]

thank you my goat

[knotty fulcrum]

random asf

[turbid hull]

I don't know if the 10% legendary chance is for it to happen when you take the boon, or the odds for it to appear for each of the 3 choices. Presumably, it's the odds for it to appear when you take the boon

[warped harness]

do effects like the boss room rarity increase make legs more likely?

[tall notch]

I'm getting the 0.1 from Chocolat and after that it's the logic of "the chance of not getting it in 2 boons is another 0.1 chance after the first 0.1" and so on

[spare kite]

In H1 they made it more rare actually, wonder if it's the same

[tall notch]

Though I've not taken statistics since high school so i might be off?

[whole steppe]

Does anyone know if this is a bug, or intended? When using Charon's aspect on the axe, the "slow time while channeling" arcana just doesn't work while channeling specials.

[warped harness]

no wonder i always struggled to get them in h1 😭

[spare kite]

12% for duo/legendary, 10% if miniboss chamber/expensive boon

[warped harness]

i think its intentional because of the shielding mechanic of the axe special

[merry flint]

This is just how the axe omega special works

[turbid hull]

The eighth upgrade on Shameless Attitude adds +1.048576% damage

[patent mesa]

So upgrades have diminishing returns?

[warped harness]

that's wierd

[turbid hull]

Some of the boons have diminishing returns until a minimal value, Shameless Attitude's is at 1%

[karmic gust]

Isn’t that already the effect of her mana gain?

[spare kite]

Gain is weak

[karmic gust]

Oh oops I can’t read

[timber pawn]

Charm means they fully fight on your side

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah her gain is weak. charm means that it attacks other foes (but I think still hurts you too)

[karmic gust]

Wait does that mean that bosses are perma charmed?

[knotty fulcrum]

it has to be a room with 3+ enemies

[spare kite]

"minimum of 3 enemies required"

[karmic gust]

Dang

[knotty fulcrum]

and I don't think it can affect bosses but idk

[karmic gust]

Wait so it’s still possible if they summon ads

[knotty fulcrum]

yes

[turbid hull]

I calculated for Shameless Attitude:

• Starts with +10% / +15% / +20% / +25% (rarity dependant)
• First upgrade adds 5%
• Second upgrade adds 4%
• Third upgrade adds 3.2%
• Fourth upgrade adds 2.56%
• Fifth upgrade adds 2.048%
• Sixth upgrade adds 1.6384%
• Seventh upgrade adds 1.31072%
• Eighth upgrade adds 1.048576%
• Ninth upgrade and more add 1%

[merry flint]

You should be able to charm bosses tho

[turbid hull]

the upgrade gain is independant from the rarity

[merry flint]

Worked in h1

[knotty fulcrum]

had it twice and it didn't happen but maybe it is possible

[patent mesa]

That sounds like an oversight? This makes Poms scale better with lower rarity

[knotty fulcrum]

what does the boon do?

[turbid hull]

While you have at least 80% Life, you deal more damage.

[knotty fulcrum]

oh ok

[spare kite]

Worked the same in H1
You still have lower effect if its common vs epic

Most boons pom scaling here kinda suck anyways

[turbid hull]

Poms scale the same regardless of the rarity
Level 4 Common would be +22%
Level 4 Heroic would be +37%

At equal level, the difference between rarities is always the same

I have a tab on my sheet which calculates the gain of every Boon that behaves like that in regard to the upgrades, given a certain amount of variables each considered boon has

[karmic gust]

I wish there was a way to make death defiance heal more

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1244290163593445376/image.png?ex=66549304&is=66534184&hm=7d31e3a4f333f0f39f01ff677b10e62593e1c934465c317c9b04d9fd971c258f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1301&height=328

[patent mesa]

I meant that 2% increase with baseline power of 10% is relative increase of 20%. With 25% as baseline it's relative increase of 8%.

[turbid hull]

Yeah, I mean, that's normal. Given everything almost is additive in this game, it would make Heroic + Poms way stronger and would create a bigger unbalance between rarities

[split glen]

hephaestus' dash is so bad. i just got one of the most fun runs with it though

[karmic gust]

400 dmg for 10 mana is pretty good wdym

[split glen]

only possible thanks to medea's spell that allows me to get a crapton of mana

[tall notch]

Learning that boon rarities aren't that big of a deal on most boons took me a while, but it went a long way in improving my gameplay.

[turbid hull]

Hmmmmm, Life Affirmation from Aph can't be upgraded?

[split glen]

i don't like having to stop dashing to not waste my mana, especially if i dont get a lot of max mana which i sometimes do because of rng or i just dont feel like getting the. the mana bottles or whatever

[karmic gust]

Same! I always had the +50% rare boon card activated but it was making my builds so much worse

Also makes playing high heat (with arrogance) much more palatable

[split glen]

i end up gravitating towards the purples a lot (because they're eye catching) and i think it's actively making my builds worse lol

[tall notch]

It's still a nice to have if you can afford the grasp and are not running arrogance, but it's not as much of a must-have as I first thought

Same for the epic thing, trying to force full arcana rows on builds that really don't want any of the full rows was making my builds way worse

[spare kite]

See purple, take purple gaming

[tall notch]

Purple being one of my favourite colours really doesn't help with unlearning this lol

[spare kite]

Same for duos/legendaries
If its rarer it clearly must be better

[tough pasture]

question about aspects...once aspects are unlocked, is it possible to still use the base model? (Just curious.)

[karmic gust]

Can’t argue with that, purple >> grey

[proven orbit]

this gives me violent Lightning Rod flashbacks

[tall notch]

You can swap back to Mel, but if you are asking whether you can change appearance while using an aspect's bonus the answer is no

[turbid hull]

Okay, seems like Life Affirmation can't be upgraded

[spare kite]

Lightning rod is good tho

[proven orbit]

Although, in hades 1 at least you can sell yellows, for 420 at that

[tall notch]

Would check out, I don't think I've ever seen a pom upgrade it

[karmic gust]

Wait are you the real crab bar wtf

[tough pasture]

got it. thanks

[proven orbit]

Mayhaps

[karmic gust]

I watched your videos all the time

[merry flint]

CrabBar jumpscare

[tall notch]

Yeah in Hades 1 taking higher rarity was more benficial because of the boon selling thing and no equivalent of vow of arrogance discouraging taking high rarity

[turbid hull]

Thx for confirming @tall notch

[split glen]

wow, that just reminded me you can't sell boons in this game

somehow completely overlooked that

[merry flint]

Ngl selling boons kinda swag

[spare kite]

I wonder why we didn't get the purging pool from the start

[astral edge]

you can see the missing spot where it would be at the end of zone 3, so i wonder if they'll add it in later

[merry flint]

Needed to do that in h1 today

[tall notch]

I miss the purging pool, thought it would be an incantation

[karmic gust]

I hope they aren’t getting rid of it…

[sour cape]

What are you supposed to do with EoS in the chaos trial? It feels really bad

[karmic gust]

Mfw I accidentally prime 50 mana and can’t use my special in a Charon build 😭😭😭

[split glen]

i want to hear a voiceline from gramps about not getting any help from olympus lol

[spare kite]

Is prob getting thrown into an incantation
Same way we got charon wells back

Why is not an incantation at the moment is the thing that makes me go ???

[tall notch]

#h2-feedback message

[karmic gust]

Has anyone actually done a boonless run yet?

[split glen]

i am not sure. i only recently opened up my hades 2 media blackout (afraid of spoilers) lol

[astral edge]

statistically i don't think you could go all the way without being forced into a boon

[steel sequoia]

dont think you can, u need to pick something to open the next room

[obtuse wadi]

any recommendation for boons with the Torches? Trying to finish fear 24 with demeter but it's so tedious

[merry flint]

Pool of Purging should let you sell Hexes

[tall notch]

Maybe with 10 rerolls you could do boonless

[steel sequoia]

but you can do a spitefull strenght run, is quite fun

[proven orbit]

Honestly I wouldn't even mind pools of purging coming back with a twist, like giving different currency than gold. Just the ability to get rid of questionable takes for some gain

[spare kite]

Hammer start > reroll for your life

[tall notch]

Does the game ever force you into elite fights?

[astral edge]

yes

[merry flint]

Surface atleast i got forced

[glossy rivet]

hay hay hay
lightning rod was good

[tall notch]

Well, Chaos didn't count as a boon for the boonless runs so I guess you could hope to highroll that on the forced elite rooms

[sage fable]

Is Chronos supposed to appear in Chaos trials?

[spare kite]

Also depends on your definition of boonless
H1 "100% olympian free" clear message only needed you to have 0 sellable boons

[tall notch]

Using the sellable boon definition, every run we completed was 100% olympian free 🤭

[proven orbit]

You can sell most boons to hestia

[spare kite]

For players leaderboards you weren't able to benefit from the boon at all (so if you got a chaos attack for example, rip that button)

[merry flint]

Chaos trials basically sim an actual run so almost everything happens there

[karmic gust]

I haven’t seen any Tartarus trials yet

[merry flint]

There arent any

Presumably chaos doesnt want to or cant sim chronos

[karmic gust]

So I would say that chronos isn’t supposed to appear 😂

[merry flint]

Yeah he shouldn't appear in a chaos trial. But he does. Atleast you can technically skip the encounter if he put the timers on

[karmic gust]

Wait wdym by appear? I haven’t finished all of them, is there a surprise boss fight with him or something?

[merry flint]

Chaos trials in Oceanus can still spawn the Asphodel encounter

[karmic gust]

Ohhh ok

[merry flint]

Wacky

[split glen]

i seem to have a hard time doing high fear runs in this game, a lot more than i did in hades 1

the highest i've gotten is only 12... i've reached gramps on 16 but only just, and didn't manage to defeat him either way

[long hemlock]

just got to practice

[split glen]

is there a recommended weapon and boon list for beginners lol

[long hemlock]

or cheese with the staff

[split glen]

it surprised me to learn just how popular momus staff was, i havent even unlocked it

[long hemlock]

its the most free 32 fear in the game thats why

[split igloo]

Momus is literally obnoxious

[patent mesa]

I've seen Momus mentioned here so many times, but looking at description, the playstyle seems boring as hell?

[split igloo]

But if you want a little bit of an easier time without momus (the play style is unpopular) you can run pan with Poseidon special and deep hooks hammer and that should smooth it out a little for you

[long hemlock]

the playstyle is boring, ppl arent playing it for its playstyle, they are doing it to get the 32 clear done for statues

[split igloo]

^^^ yet to meet a legit momus enjoyer but it is overtuned rn compared to the other aspects

[proven orbit]

Not sure if you ever found the answer so I'd reply

It seems like it works, and even better than expected at that. I tried 2 distinct times:

1. in ship after encounter, burning down revived me with 45 hp (2nd rank moros keepsake) and didn't consume DD
2. in eris fight, I accidentally died, finished the fight before count expired, then burned down on purpose, and it still revived me with 45 hp without consuming DD

[split glen]

which one is deep hooks?

[vital jackal]

What do people use with the skulls (Melinoe aspect) other than Zeus? Like as a main god? Because I do like the skulls but I want to change it up a bit and not always use the same gods with them

[devout jungle]

Boring is subjective, if you enjoy going fast/easy high heat, then it is not boring

[split igloo]

Daggers come back through after throwing them

[lusty heron]

noice thank you ! luckily i beat the 32 run with out testing it xD

[devout jungle]

Hook knives*

[lusty heron]

now i just wonder if eos apollo can backstab

[split igloo]

My bad my bad

[timber pawn]

Stubborn defiance but better

[tall notch]

The Momus staff doesn't seem as strong when you look at level 1 but the fact that it gives you a ton of special power (so it scales) really makes it shine

[astral edge]

well, i got one room through fields before being forced into a miniboss and a boon
up until then though, 10 rolls (+2 from narcissus) meant i was able to avoid taking anything except 2 hammers

i guess if you got chaos, maybe you could cheese through fields?

[proven orbit]

Really, really cracked. 10 seconds of invulnerability too. The only downside is that hp is flat so if you stack like 300 max hp you'd still only heal 60

[split glen]

i always misjudge just how many waves of enemies are left when trying to do that lol

[lusty heron]

icarus on the ship for it is the worst

[tall notch]

I never liked playing stubborn so that keepsake doesn't click with me either, but I can see it being powerful

[timber pawn]

Ya its a really good keepsake for chronos if you're not trying antler or stacking heph boons for survivability

10 seconds in chronos p2 might as well be a year

[proven orbit]

I certainly preferred stubborn defiance over having to deal with loss aversion of death defiance, but yeah, the playstyle is still greasy

[ionic lily]

best part of the keepsake is getting to hear moros countdown for you

[split glen]

nice to know no matter what happens certain doom awaits me

[proven orbit]

Imagine the look on face of moros after he counts from ten for the 40th time during your run

[split glen]

like having to deal with odysseus but in one night

[timber pawn]

Moros wincing watching you get beaten to a bloody pulp every room

[proven orbit]

Would he be like 😐 or 🤨?

Honestly with whatever little context I presume the former

[warped harness]

zeus and aphro have like the same thing as ares and athena

[timber pawn]

I feel like he'd be pretty nonplussed

[hidden sorrel]

Moros seems like a pretty good guy, even if he is the incarnation of Doom

[warped harness]

zeus's blitz is very similar to doom and aphro duo has the same effect

[proven orbit]

Ah yes, the peaceful ending, sequel of merciful end

[ionic lily]

I think he would see it as Mel trying to meet Doom more often

[proven orbit]

Sprint into blitz duo kinda carried me on eris ngl

[ionic lily]

conversely, if you're sweaty enough, it means you're trying to ghost him

[warped harness]

hes there to watch doom and make it happen, hes not really like wishing doom on others hes just making sure its carried out for the fates

[karmic gust]

I accidentally triggered it with those yellow dudes that wander around the fields. Killing that group did NOT reset the timer 😭

[timber pawn]

I was trying to think of what the best setup for this duo would be. I feel like axe special/attack

[hidden sorrel]

It's a tough job but somebody's gotta do it, right? 🙂

[proven orbit]

Yeah, as melinoe herself put it, moros' reputation is one thing, but moros himself is entirely other

[split glen]

that always sucks hahahah

[ionic lily]

the fields just make so many things weird in it

[proven orbit]

Funnily enough, that run was precisely on axe zeus attack

[warped harness]

had a run of it with daggers and it felt nice

[proven orbit]

Though I'd assume for dps potential you'd wanna special instead

Bigger number and faster/safer to apply

[timber pawn]

Ya attack would be for room clear

[karmic gust]

Do you actually have to sprint or does dashing work

[timber pawn]

Was just typing that

[proven orbit]

Haven't tested that thoroughly, sadly

[split glen]

this game is kind of strict with terminology so i'm assuming sprinting only

[proven orbit]

Felt like sprint is mandatory, could be wrong

[timber pawn]

Might try and test today

[karmic gust]

Apollos sprint effect procs on dash for some reason

[split glen]

i'm kind of a text skipper and didn't know sprinting was a mechanic until... ten hours into the game

i just assumed whenever they said "sprint" they just meant "dash"

[karmic gust]

💀😭

[patent mesa]

Hestia too. And Aspect of Eos, which says it should proc on sprint. I think dash triggers sprint effects moooost of the time?

[split glen]

okay, i guess this game isn't strict with terminology after all hahaha

[warped harness]

i still really need to try air quality scorch

[patent mesa]

If you find a way to reliably tell if "It affects Attacks" affects Omega Attack or not, let me know 😄

[past pewter]

Anyone know if the golden rule duo boon is bugged? It isn’t giving pos special any bonus damage

[warped harness]

if attack is plural it affects both, not plural just the basic attack, and omega attack obv only the omega

[proven orbit]

The most reliable so far was the choice of tooltip for the "Attack" term

[warped harness]

its bugged and provides a flat bonus not a %

[past pewter]

Is it supposed to be global

[patent mesa]

That makes sense, but is not very obvious

[warped harness]

yeah

[patent mesa]

opens game to check if this is consistent

[warped harness]

it sounds like it should but doesnt seem to

[past pewter]

Certainly making the pan trial a lot less satisfying

[tall notch]

air fryer air fryer air fryer

[bleak night]

My game decided to just not record any audio, but this was fun https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244304526266073259/Charon_fight_no_damage.mp4?ex=6654a065&is=66534ee5&hm=d30516a4cc75c3fe1a5106eb33b5f2717f6094bd21f6e515b86e00638a8ef4df&

[tall notch]

This title makes it look like a hades1 video

[bleak night]

oh, true

[split glen]

charon, chronos, they're both obsessed with gold, who's to say they aren't the same

[tall notch]

Would you say that Hera with her mana regen is better for the Apollo Charon builds than Demeter for her duo?

[vital jackal]

What gods do people play with the melinoe skulls, besides zeus. Because, while I find the skulls very fun, I wanna bring some diversity into my build and not use zeus constantly

[tall notch]

Throw Chiron into the mix too because of how similar the name is to Charon

[knotty fulcrum]

what are the main boons?

[bleak night]

I think Dem is better for damage, but you do miss out on the ability to just ignore your mana pool and focus on dodging enemies and firing from afar like that

[tall notch]

Charon is prob my most realistic way of beating 40 fear with axe so I'll need to just learn it and learn how to roll sudden cleaver in erebus

[bleak night]

Blitz on Special, Apollo on Cast, Hera on MP Regen, Sudden Cleaver Hammer, Chaos gave me Chargetime reduc. I also had Apollo's legendary

[bleak night]

One way to go about it, yeah. You sure you don't want me to teach you to play Melee

[tall notch]

I just like my ranged playstyles

O just as we talk about it, dark thirs is on axe so ig I'm doing an axe run

[bleak night]

play melee

[tall notch]

Melee than with Hera start?

[bleak night]

What Fear are you doing ?

[turbid hull]

Super Smash Bros. Melee?!

[tall notch]

I was gonna do 32 but since you're making me play melee I'll do it on 6 fear just to learn the playstyle

[bleak night]

I'm trash at that game, I can't waveland or L cancel to save my life

[ionic lily]

I was going to say that was a lot of charge speed after watching

[turbid hull]

I don't play Melee, only Ult

[bleak night]

If you're doing low Fear, you can try Aphro on Attack and Demeter on Cast first. I only suggest Hera for higher Fears because it feels weak otherwise

Hera only shines when you turn on the enemy encounter and HP fear nodes

[tall notch]

I want to learn the proper way of playing and building it on low fear though

Will Aphro still teach me the playstyle?

[civic ocean]

Its just tech same as the axe you praccy and then you can do it

[bleak night]

Aphro will teach you the general playstyle, yeah

[tall notch]

Wanna coach me through it on stream? lol

[bleak night]

I can't play Melee well because I prefer Tekken

[tall notch]

And laugh at me being inept at melee

[bleak night]

can I just type ?

[tall notch]

I tend to play full screen and only have 1 monitor but sure I'll turn on phone disc

To read dms

[bleak night]

hmm

I can coach you through it in a bit with a mic then

[tall notch]

Aight

[bleak night]

hold on, lemme restart my PC

[tall notch]

I'll be right back then, also let's move to dms to not spam up this chat ig

[civic ocean]

Born Gain must be stopped

[tall notch]

You are a born gain meta player yourself, I've seen it with my own eyes 😠

Not even tranquil gain smh

[proven orbit]

My game copy explicitly banned hera and demeter boons, and honestly I don't even mind

Haven't seen either in like 8 runs

[civic ocean]

Tranquil Gain always has its place for me in Charon runs

[knotty fulcrum]

does the crit chance from than axe affect the bolts in zues' omega cast?

[hollow nova]

damn, apollo cast kinda hits hard no lie

[blissful wren]

yes, everything can crit if u have global crit chance like that

including scorch

[hollow nova]

crit scorch sounds good with hera and hestia

[civic ocean]

Scorch doesn't really crit properly

[civic ocean]

Yes, it both can crit and can tick up the crit counter

[knotty fulcrum]

so if I want to do a cast build I should use than axe?

and also how can I get my cast damage up other than chaos?

[cursive ruin]

Well charon axe may also be worth checking out

[knotty fulcrum]

I was thinking of going for apollo-zeus duo and I think that charon axe kinda negates that

[blissful wren]

yea than aspect is best for zues cast and charon is best for apollo cast

[turbid hull]

Gosh upgrade data is so annoying to find and put

[cursive ruin]

It does? Thats sad

[lament kestrel]

i don't think it does

u still get the extra dmg each cast

and all rhe omega effects

haelian tried it out and it worked

[knotty fulcrum]

oh that's onther duo. apollo-zeus makes enemies inside the cast get hit with lightnings

[cursive ruin]

[knotty fulcrum]

i think you might be talking about the demeter-apllo duo

[lament kestrel]

oh yeah that doesn't work very well it's annoying
u get 2 or 3 lightning bolts before the cast disappears

[lament kestrel]

mightve been Zeus legendary or smth idr

[spare kite]

Both cast duos work with apollo cast + charon aspect

You don't even need to pay the extra mp

[ionic lily]

Yeah, its why my default charon god loadout is apollo-zeus-demeter

[civic ocean]

It does not

Both Glorious Disaster and Torrential Downpour work with Charon

[civic ocean]

What are you cataloging today

[turbid hull]

Poms of Power behavior for each Boon

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah but since you detonate the cast early foes will not be struck by lightning very much

[civic ocean]

The duo boon between Apollo-Zeus makes the lightning happen after the cast detonates not before

[ionic lily]

Apollo cast makes the detonated cast stay for some time, and it will still launch lightning during that period

[knotty fulcrum]

oh fr?

[lost shell]

Do u think we will haver more God's boons? Later on in the game, i mean

[civic ocean]

It ONLY launches lightning during that period

[ionic lily]

Oh yeah, that's probably a better way of phrasing it

[civic ocean]

Yes they have mentioned Bophades is probably getting added to the next biome, Olympus

[modern yacht]

I hope so

[lost shell]

not gonna fall into this one hehe

i mean... i just miss my homie ares...

[fringe lichen]

cant wait for extreme measures equivalent to be added. How do you guys think each bossfight will change?

[uneven palm]

6 sirens one has an accordion

[lost shell]

if they add ares as a normal god again (not like artemis for example), i will make a tattoo with supergiant logo in my chest

[fringe lichen]

why is the number so specific + why accordion

[uneven palm]

Sounds pretty extreme to me

[fringe lichen]

makes sense. I would like for scylla to call her gf umm i meant good friend and past roommate charybdis over

[civic ocean]

Sirens you actually just have to fight My Son the Hurricane https://youtu.be/fHPI9pGkSjU?si=dSS4JcInp03pSYLH

[glossy rivet]

man i love apollo legendary

works great on mel staff
works great on dagger too

[fringe lichen]

forgor what it is. What is it?

[civic ocean]

Cerberus fight is exactly the same the field is just half the size

Chronos is enraged right from the start both phases, and has a 3rd phase where every 20 seconds he undoes all the damage you did to him in the last 10 seconds

[glossy rivet]

your omega attack and special fires twice but they cost 20 more magic

double explosive ambush on arty dagger was pretty pog even though i didnt have aphro attack on it (hera)

are wretched thugs the strongest common enemy now?
they feel like they have the most hp

feels good when a single omega attack could delete their armor then health bar

[sour cape]

why did they make the Eos build use Aphrodite in the trial?

actually just for magic girl aesthetic? 😭😭

[civic ocean]

I think Cold has used Aphro on Eos quite a bit

[steep heron]

aphro's gain boon is so bad

[sour cape]

It seems really dumb that you cant gain any mana with Aphro boon while omega attacking, and need to be close with a ranged weapon to do any dmg

[steep heron]

the attack works really well though, you just have to dash towards the enemies

but the mana regen is trash

[sour cape]

I feel like Devs musta been trolling if they thought this is same difficulty as the Momus build 💀💀

[spare kite]

Aphro dash carries that trial to be honest lmao

[proven orbit]

I feel like it's relatively fair for the magick to be gimmicky because you get permanent curse on top, mostly suitable for bossfights that is

[tame vapor]

does anybody else hate the polymepheus boss fight

[tall notch]

I like it on ranged hate it on melee

[proven orbit]

Yes, melee on cyclops is a snoozefest

and I thought hecate was forcing passive gameplay...

[tame vapor]

i mainly play lim and oros so that fight is either boring or causes me to lose at least one death defiance

[small hawk]

lol i went into cyclops with lim and no mana regen

[cursive ruin]

It gets better if you actively put down casts whenever you can.. but yeah melee polyphemus is rough

[small hawk]

what arcana setups do ppl use?

[steep heron]

depends on the build you're going for

but all the rerolls all the time for me at least

[tame vapor]

but i mean they are always at least fairly similar

right?

[civic ocean]

They should be fairly different depending on the weapon and what you do

But all of it is in a like "think through what you're doing" sort of way there's no set way to do it properly

[ionic moon]

the only locks for me are death defiances and the bottom left corner

[mossy sparrow]

Hiii, will they fix 1st Arcana (the one that stops time) exploit in near future? :p

Like when you with Lim and Oros put your enemies in slowmode for duration of encounter with dashing

[civic ocean]

How is it an exploit?

[mossy sparrow]

I guess this shouldn't work that way?

[steep heron]

yeah, idk if that counts as an exploit

[civic ocean]

What about it makes you think it shouldn't work that way

[mossy sparrow]

Well, will they balance* if you would prefer that way

[mossy sparrow]

Time slow resets every time you dash with omega attack is kinda cheesy

[civic ocean]

But you're not hitting them either right so aren't you basically just wasting time?

[proven orbit]

I do think that the sorceress is rather strong for 1 grasp cost, but at the same time I feel like most omega moves are on the brink of unusable without it

And the chronos completely cancelling it out doesn't help

[mossy sparrow]

On artemis with riposte charging even if time is slowed you just become invincible

[mossy sparrow]

makes sense

[steep heron]

they said they took inspiration from transistor's turn so it might be working as intended

[sour cape]

Really? Idk Eris takes like no dmg from anything

[mossy sparrow]

It's not much a problem if your attack is wide and strong enough, but ig if you take fear on time restrictions...

[proven orbit]

Oh yeah, time ticking at normal speed during omega slowdown is also funny

[mossy sparrow]

Well all I say there should be combo breaker imo or something like that
time breaker?

[civic ocean]

Yeah it sounds like you're just playing the game the normal way extremely slowly on a low-ish fear number? Like that is a way they intended for omega attacks on the blades to be played for sure

[mossy sparrow]

Lim and Oros my new Aegis moment

[mossy sparrow]

nah just did 32 heat run

[crimson wraith]

Would anyone recommend Anvil Ring with Aspect of Pan?

[mossy sparrow]

Time measurment is too strict on me for some reason... idk why I can't finish game in time with 9 minutes on each region lol
without slow time ofc

[steep heron]

if you get apollos cast size boost maybe

[proven orbit]

Feels a bit contradictory because smaller cast means less consistent homing aid
If you feel comfortable with placing the cast though , go ahead

[crimson wraith]

Nah, I have Hestia and Hera as my other gods

[mossy sparrow]

Aspect of Pan is good-ish with hera since it lasts longer

[civic ocean]

It's fine, you probably want Glowing Coal from Hestia though so it's easier to actually put enemies in your cast

[mossy sparrow]

And aphro maybe?

[civic ocean]

Aphro doesn't really help Anvil Ring?

[mossy sparrow]

Oh, not anvil ring, her cast for aspect of pan, since it pulls enemies into center

[steep heron]

and counts as a curse for the 50% dmg boost

[small hawk]

ya i can only get like 1.5 omegas off of a normal cast

[mossy sparrow]

For Pan I usually run with Zeus/Hestia because they aid distance casting

[civic ocean]

If you're close enough you can drop the cast while you're finishing charging the omega special

[mossy sparrow]

And Hestia is just op antiarmor and antieverything

[urban pendant]

Hera cast is absolute garbage for aspect of Pan, because it stays where it is for far too long. If the boss walks out, you're left without homing special for 10 seconds.

[civic ocean]

Now why would the boss walk out

[mossy sparrow]

Cast slows bosses?

[urban pendant]

Slows, doesn't stop them

[mossy sparrow]

For duration of cast it should slow them enough for two rounds of omega special

[steep heron]

yeah, at 40% speed i don't think it's viable

[urban pendant]

You can get 2 omega specials in on a normal cast duration

[proven orbit]

Well, when the duration of the cast is tripled, it's unlikely the slow would be nearly enough to hold them there

[urban pendant]

With Boundless Flurry you can get 3-4

[civic ocean]

You can get 3 on engagement ring, which is really good on Pan for a few different reasons

Pop quiz what is the number 1 way Chronos actually gets out of your cast

[urban pendant]

Teleports out because you hit a health threshold

[civic ocean]

What happens to your cast when chronos does his time bubble teleport

[white steppe]

man this momus run feels like ass
oh wait this is melinoe
10 chambers in already

[mossy sparrow]

Well, if we talk about cast, with what besides Hades' one i an use Poseidon's : o

[proven orbit]

he doesn't have to because I forget to cast out of sheer panic

[mossy sparrow]

cast ignores bubble iirc?

[civic ocean]

Anyways the chronos big time bubble teleport thing is the number 1 way he gets out of casts and when he does that it destroys the cast so you can recast it

[mossy sparrow]

heh guess not

[urban pendant]

Hera cast absolutely ruined a good Pan run for me, it was absolute misery in the Fields and Chronos would just dash out of the cast half the time.

[stoic ridge]

hera cast is by far the worst cast in the game

[mossy sparrow]

I don't like Hera's cast, she should have rama's debuff instead of assdamage

[mossy sparrow]

Poseidons?

[stoic ridge]

it activly hinders most builds if not all of them

[civic ocean]

Huh its enough damage to kill like every swarm mob in the first 2 biomes it's reaaaaally good earlygame

[stoic ridge]

poseidons cast isnt great but atleast it dosnt hurt your build

[proven orbit]

speaking of worst, zeus legendary feels so sad

[tame vapor]

could you tell me how?

[crimson wraith]

Do people generally prefer Lucky Tooth or Knuckle Bones against Chronos?

[tame vapor]

not saying your wrong just interested

[mossy sparrow]

lucky tooth saved me so much time lol

[proven orbit]

Lowkey was considering picking air quality instead on the same screen

without air requirement met

[stoic ridge]

makes your cast last 3 times as long so you cant move it around, so its basically useless for weapons like pan

[civic ocean]

What the

Wheel usually these days tbh but then tooth

[proven orbit]

I'm currently using knuckle but I wouldn't be surprised if tooth at max rank is actually more mitigation total

[stoic ridge]

i use evil eye against chronos

[proven orbit]

does it have 100 hp at max rank?

[mossy sparrow]

Poseidon's cast should have been cast addon instead of normal cast :(
imagine Apollo+Poseidon

[civic ocean]

Engagement Ring is like super good when you get out of the habit of throwing down your cast, running to a corner and clicking special on Pan IMO

[ornate skiff]

Got my first Fear 8 run, Aspect of Caron is insane.
Not only it does insane damage, but i think the most broken thing is because you can do it at a completely safe distance, no risks at all to do damage.

[severe light]

How to make skull work?

[astral edge]

101, yeah

[stoic ridge]

use aphrodite on attack

[proven orbit]

Go pointblank so that it's easier to pick up skulls

[civic ocean]

Depends on the skull! Usually the Omega Special is the best thing skulls have going for them

[severe light]

Aspect ?

[solar summit]

yea fr. ppl think pan is broken, charon is INSANE

[stoic ridge]

i use mel but thats my personal preference

mainly for up close machine gunning

[civic ocean]

Any will work

[sour cape]

https://streamable.com/cneayt

Torches legit seem liike the worst weapon 😭

[proven orbit]

Ye, I currently use mel aspect out of necessity, but the skull damage bonus feels nice

[sour cape]

idk what to do vs Eris

[civic ocean]

Samurai never blames the sword

[mossy sparrow]

dash behind her
that's all strategy