h2-builds-and-combat

[night gazelle]

yeah, curious if it's the same

oh Born Gain disappeared from my Pom menu after +3

[wide flicker]

Am i just bad, or is first region unusually long (erebus)? Just lost with a 7 min timer, and I didn't really feel like I was slow at all.......

[night gazelle]

(don't ask why I have +3 Born gain)

[night gazelle]

Act 1 is longer than Act 2, same as in Hades is. Boss 1 is room 13 and boss 2 is room 24, if no Chaos

Also if you're playing Tight Deadline and don't start by taking your real main damage boon, Act 1 time is usually an issue

[wide flicker]

How in the world do you do this with a 5min timer, i wonder.....

[tall notch]

Builds that do high damage as early as room 1 and some luck with skips

[night gazelle]

Hmm I see why the Hera/Heph duo is so natural for white antler. You already want Born Gain and various Heph defenses. And due to the nature of the duo, it activates with utility boons rather than core boons. That said, I probably should play with the Duo arcana, shouldn't it

Oh--playing Eos

[timber pawn]

I cannot properly communicate how much I hate the Moros aspect

I have choked on Chronos p2 last 10% 3 runs today

[warped harness]

are you running it for a challenge or smth? like heat with every wep?

[timber pawn]

ya Im trying to do all 32

[night gazelle]

Does Trusty Shield keep track of its own little chunk of armor separately from the rest of your armor?

[reef stratus]

Selene is a hidden wonder for trial of haste. Never expected her to be what wins me the run.

[warped harness]

it does not i don't believe

[warped harness]

how so?

[calm ibex]

which special boons are good on momus besides aphrodite?

[night gazelle]

So it doesn't do anything until your armor sinks back below 15 or whatever?

[reef stratus]

A very specific selene boon that revives the last goon you kill

[spare kite]

Phase shift?

Oh yeah night bloom makes sense

[night gazelle]

Does Mint Condition have any warning for expiry?

[spare kite]

Good summons can do some dmg

[reef stratus]

if you revive those punchy dudes, run is won, dudes deal like 3k damage in one burst

[warped harness]

oh yeah that one is ok

[reef stratus]

I finished trial of haste with 21 seconds remaining

it was not even close

[night gazelle]

Oh, or you don't worry about Duo arcana because you can use Forsaking to get it

[brittle imp]

apollo atk on the axe is too much cheese i cant stop (i wont stop, cheese is my life and i miss ares and athena every day because of it)

[strange kite]

apollo attack on axe isnt cheese.

it’s pretty basic normal mediocre attack boon for axe

[brittle imp]

feels like it when i get a heroic in the first room

[strange kite]

that’s heroic boon. what did you expect?

[brittle imp]

tbh tho its also my first time really running the hope keepsake

[strange kite]

get heroic aphro in the first room and see how it feels

[brittle imp]

so i just got lucky imo

[strange kite]

or heroic hera

or just even an epic hera lul

[brittle imp]

epic hera is crazy its what i was doing before

[strange kite]

hera is much better than apollo for specifically a spin build

at least as an attack boon because it gives u so much aoe scaling damage

and being in hera means born gain

[brittle imp]

oh yeah im actually not a spin spammer
like i get spin to win is probably the way but ive yet to feel comfortable with it so ive doing the blocks and attacks

one day ill get into the groove of spinning but not this run lol

ok quick question
does anybody know how to make the skull feel good to play
i feel like theres a way to play it that i am not doing

like ive completed runs with it in the past but it was entirely through the power of being hard headed

[night gazelle]

Ok yeah, Spiteful Strength Eos is a lot: #h2-victory-boasting message

[brittle imp]

i will be saving that image for future reference

[night gazelle]

This is low heat because I'm just learning to mess around with Antler style, for context I've done Eos on higher heats just playing normally

[brittle imp]

yeah i could see the health decrease being a problem at higher fear lvls

[night gazelle]

(Which is just to say, it's really neat but don't fixate on it as some kind of uniquely important build plan)

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243718656203034696/image.png?ex=66527ec2&is=66512d42&hm=8604f31fd564c21a4a2c6727af46d1e7b96076bee71a0feb70c38a04fd54932c& never touching Moros again

[brittle imp]

oh yeah im just having fun and i dont remember stuff off the top my head unless repeated

[night gazelle]

Spiteful Strength wasn't exactly related to Antler, but I think it might be a lot more annoying to try to build for unless you have a gigantic damage boost in earlier acts while waiting for the duo. This run would probably have been even easier if I'd just used Sworn Strike when offered

(but there's some connection in that if you're playing Antler, it's more synergistic to take Heph early)

[brittle imp]

do you still get spiteful strength if you go hepth cast instead or do you need one of the attack slot filled ?

[spare kite]

Is only passives/gain iirc

[night gazelle]

requires basically any other Heph boon, making it much easier to open than most Duos that tend to need core boons or specific debuffs or something

[timber pawn]

you get spiteful from hephs defensives actually, its like one of 5 defensives enables it with hera mana regen/other stuff

[brittle imp]

oh nice get to keep the slots empty so both can do 200%

[night gazelle]

Yeah. Though usually your build will care about one

and I can see filling the other to get some other requirement or help with Origination or something

[spare kite]

Duos/legendaries pre reqs are a lot more wild this time

[night gazelle]

But Eos into Spiteful/Antler was super natural, because you can open Born Gain, still be strong enough for Act 1, get Heph defensives, and then be looking for Spiteful for the entire run with your rerolls.

First impression is that picking Sworn Strike probably makes the first 90% of the run easier, but waiting for Spiteful probably makes Chronos easier, and so far Chronos is really the only part where I might die

Hmm so my next weapon is Axe. If I'm playing Antler, then Thanatos Axe is only a ~22% damage boost instead of 60%. Does that make it better to try something else?

I've never tried Charon Axe. It just feels like such a ... production to use? I should probably try it

[thorn mesa]

Charon is my current favorite aspect, its a setup nuke build

[night gazelle]

It sounds cool. I assume Apollo cast is a good opener?

I just kind of imagined as you make the game harder and faster, it gets a bit cumbersome to have to use this two-step sequence to kill anything, including charging a special. And you have to commit to the time and place at the start. I can see how it can work though

[thorn mesa]

oh yeah

i usually hunt for sudden cleaver with apollo cast. Then if I get the option hunting for the Hermes special speed

[night gazelle]

Apollo, with an important Zeus followup for ranged cast, lightning bolts to break Damage Control, and duo?

[zenith bolt]

the first run back and the game def knows how to treat me https://i.imgur.com/aJeJDz8.png

[glossy rivet]

4 hammers how?

[zenith bolt]

2 from regular drops, 1 from echo dupe, 1 from icarus keepsake

[glossy rivet]

concave stone?

[zenith bolt]

concave stone is echo's keepsake

[spare kite]

The echo gift that repeats your last reward

[glossy rivet]

oh

[zenith bolt]

icarus just gives you a random hammer

[glossy rivet]

can concave stone pick 2 hammers or only god boons?

[zenith bolt]

only boons afaik

[glossy rivet]

dzang
does charon hammer still remove 1 add 2?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[glossy rivet]

can it work on icarus hammer too?

[zenith bolt]

dunno

[glossy rivet]

i had a goated aphro special momskull run but then i played icarus gacha and had to deal with sidelong crash for tartarus, smh

[trim thistle]

https://streamable.com/hkxg4t broken combo but u need 4 god pool

[past pewter]

does blitz have an internal cooldown?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah. It takes like a third or something of a second before it deals damage and only after that you can reproc it

[past pewter]

makes sense

[zenith bolt]

i have never seen this phase transition dialogue before https://i.imgur.com/izM8D1S.jpeg

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242597020028637233/Hades_II_2024-05-21_14-54-36.mp4?ex=66525ea7&is=66510d27&hm=7563fd96c9e0a25c1704ffe96825d4888a4842fcd0bbf003568d331d06a367a8& you forgot apollo legendary

[past pewter]

so my double moonshot build with epic chaos flourish is only doing a slightly ridiculous amount of damage

[trim thistle]

couldve gotten it but i was going for the chaos heroic boon for 100% fate list

and boons got banned

[zenith bolt]

haven't seen this one before https://i.imgur.com/emM4Hr6.png

[trim thistle]

but that is hilarious

[spare kite]

You got the legendary I assume?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[past salmon]

apollo legendary on torch attack build is such a fun way to use 10 billion magick in a single fight lmao

[tall notch]

Thing is, Charon is slow and you are likely to tank some damage with it so it's not much of an antler weapon

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243730235233665024/image.png?ex=6652898b&is=6651380b&hm=c142386a3569aa89665287fa4b1c7fb0d38af7e17049e97f4282d2ac28a2914f& PINK got the job done

[brittle imp]

pink is power

[lost shell]

if im using staff, to go zeus/hestia is it better zeus or hestia on special?

[tall notch]

Pink aura

[upper shuttle]

what's the heracles encounter do? do I just get all the gold if I win?

[timber pawn]

No you just get your gold. It generally makes the encounter harder in my experience. As Heracles attacks can stun you and knock you around

[spare kite]

You have a gold cap per encounter/not every enemy drops money usually

Herscles makes it so you get gold for each enemy you kill and you keep what you get

[timber pawn]

When born gain gets nerfed idk how this build is gonna work. I guess you probably go Apollo?

[tall notch]

Torch special does actually let you regen mana so you can play any regen with it

[timber pawn]

That's a good point

[tall notch]

Apollo might be good since you're already running him anyway

[timber pawn]

And it's pretty quick regen

[tall notch]

And it's a legendary prerequisite

[lusty heron]

Oof any tips for 32 surface fear ?

[timber pawn]

What weapon did you want to do it with

[night gazelle]

I just did Momus spam, works as well as anywhere else once you get a bit used to the enemies

[lusty heron]

What was your setup ?

[tall notch]

Get Demeter early these rooms are hell

[lusty heron]

Do you start with white antler ?

[lusty heron]

I just want to get it done so momus probably

[vapid grove]

i just had such a good pan build... unfortunately it was on the surface... It toasted eris though

[night gazelle]

No I wasn't using Antler whatsoever then. I'm not sure if I have the build. It was typical Momus Poseidon. Vows--I'm a little weird because I avoid Fury and the +damage one (because I don't like making the game harder 🤷🏾‍♀️ ). I think the main swap from downstairs is that you don't want 5min deadline if you're going upstairs

[lusty heron]

Yeah noticed that xD

[zenith bolt]

all of the vows make the game harder

[night gazelle]

You'd think so

[zenith bolt]

except forsaking and the 0 magick one sometimes ig

[night gazelle]

It's kind of debatable whether 7min deadline changes the game

Same for Arrogance in some builds (and definitely in Momus)

[tall notch]

0 healing is a potential buff for antler setups

[night gazelle]

Also same for lasting consequences (even if you're not using antler), if you're playing ranged spam

[tall notch]

Because you can maintain low hp easier

[lusty heron]

But yeah maybe just dropping the damage ones and time and taking the enemy sustain fears is the call

[zenith bolt]

i guess?????

[night gazelle]

Fury is like actually makes the game harder, I don't think it compares

[zenith bolt]

i mean it's not debatable at all, it adds a feature that makes the game harder, that's pretty objective

[tall notch]

Having deadline on doesn't remove any rooms does it? In Hades 1 you wouldn't get survival chambers with it

[zenith bolt]

h2 doesnt have survival chambers so i dont think

[tall notch]

There's Asphodel but that's not disabled

[night gazelle]

Yes but I was only like 25% joking. In a run that wins with tight deadline on, it didn't affect anything. It might affect your decisions your constrain your build a little, but that's far more true at 5mins than 7mins.

For the most part, tight deadline 7 mins is just giving you 3 heat for playing a build that was more likely to win in the first place

[lusty heron]

And stuff like artemis herc and icarus are timestopped anyway

[zenith bolt]

you can just stall outside circle to escape without reward

[spare kite]

Was about to ask lmao

[zenith bolt]

in case you're pressed for time

[night gazelle]

I don't remember seeing one in a long time

[zenith bolt]

i've seen asphodel like 5 times in 160 runs

[brittle imp]

ive only got it early game yeah

[tall notch]

The time slowdown tech for survival rooms is growing on me in case you want the reward

Enemies are slow but you get progress at a normal rate

[brittle imp]

maybe its just to show off what chronos is capable of
and it could end up being more common in 1.0 along with elysium and tartarus survival rooms in the other sections of the game

[night gazelle]

Is a neat callback, but might not be worth it (not especially fun rooms)

[brittle imp]

because yeah i dont get these rooms anymore and they got old fast

i kinda hope what i said isnt true because i do not want those survival rooms with giant versions of elysium enemies

[tall notch]

I'd prefer an actual room where you clear Asphodel enemies instead of the weird bullet hell minigame we have rn

Like have Mel clear the place up and teleport herself to safety once no one can interrupt her

[plain fossil]

I always get asphodel when im trying to learn builds that are naturally garbage at asphodel like medea

[mortal wadi]

Quick question, does the moon arcana card affect the aspect of Charon?

It makes your normal cast explode like if it were an omega so I was curious if that’s just figuratively or if it can be boosted by the moon as well

[spare kite]

The explosion is buffed yeah

[mortal wadi]

Good to know, I ran some tests on schelemeus but I still wasn’t quite sure so I needed an outside answer

[blissful wren]

The tests should make it pretty obvious if u miss the special on purpose

[mortal wadi]

Yeah but it never hurts to ask

[sour cape]

hmmm Mel Torches do you go for Poseidon special?

[sour cape]

I'd say it does, especially if you got more enemies and Revenants

[tall notch]

This discord only knows one mel torch build. PINK AURA

[sour cape]

pink aura torches?

[timber pawn]

Aphro is pretty comfortably #1 imo, ya

[sour cape]

oh kk

[timber pawn]

Aphro special and heart throb, and go for the Apollo duo

[sour cape]

so spam Aphro special?

[tall notch]

@bleak night post pink aura

[sour cape]

I dont like how its got no stagger

[timber pawn]

And then born gain regen, and you just delete stuff

[sour cape]

Maybe can go for Demeter Cast

[bleak night]

Did someone say Pink Aura

[tall notch]

Pink aura

[sour cape]

oh

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6652054e&is=6650b3ce&hm=44e8c5d8037f19d071817ec289eae762acb47af3a48478f4c505232fb658e257&

[sour cape]

wtf

[tall notch]

Pink. Aura.

[ashen timber]

So I wanna go for a Scorch/Air Quality run to see it for myself. Got any tips on how best to use it?

I'm thinking Lim and Oros with Hestia Attack to stack up the scorch fast, but if there's a better way to do it, I'm all ears

[timber pawn]

Eos torches work, momus staff works

[ashen timber]

I don't have either of those unlocked

[timber pawn]

Lim/oros works though

[ashen timber]

Mel Aspect? or one of the other two?

Or does it matter with the swords?

[bronze lion]

How close do you have to be to activate close up damage?

[timber pawn]

Mel works fine, aspect for blades doesn't matter

[timber pawn]

Basically like inside your cast, it's pretty decently 'wide'

[ashen timber]

I was able to get it to proc with base axe range.

[timber pawn]

If you're in melee or close to, you're getting it

[bronze lion]

gotcha, i kept seeing it activate from pretty far away and didn't know the bounds. Thxs

if you get boons that extends your melee attack, does that also increase close up damage

[ashen timber]

I don't think Apollo/Aphro mix well in that regard

Great for Heartthrobs, not so much for extending close-up range

You'll want the Aphro/Poseidon duo for that

that makes everyone considered "close up"

[bronze lion]

not sure I've hit that one yet

got a pretty sweet build so far with Cast Scorch, close up attack, and crit to attacks in casts. Also got an attack buff from Chaos

[sterile portal]

quick guys

aspect of thanatos axe, do i go with poseidon or demeter attack

im feeling poseidon but i could trade it for heroic demeter rn which sounds pretty good

[ashen timber]

Isnt Scorch + Air Quality supposed to melt through health bars or something? It doesnt seem to be doing any more than it usually does

[steel sequoia]

yeah finally won this stupid skulls, had to make 3 runs for that https://postimg.cc/tn00sVVP finished my chronos fears!

[timber pawn]

Demeter can be solid for the freeze, helps you not get hit

[naive light]

JESUS F*CKING CHRIST

[steel sequoia]

i thought i were in trouble when i couldnt do the grit coarse

but than i swapped dem atk for wave strike lmao

wait is that even real? lmao

funny heartspam

[ashen timber]

Nvmd, I see it working now, its just a lot more subtle than I thought it would be

[sterile portal]

also is high fear/heat a lot more difficult in this game or is it just me

maybe im just not advanced enough yet

[steel sequoia]

the upper game is too hard on high heat for me

[timber pawn]

That seems to be the consensus right now because there's no extreme measures and stuff like that

[sterile portal]

yeah there are a lot more oaths that effect every encounter whereas hades 1 had a good few that only affected bosses/sub bosses

also a lot of oaths feel just way too bad to pick. the no arcana cards one idk why anyone would go for that lol

[steel sequoia]

i miss POM

[sterile portal]

whats that one again?

[steel sequoia]

from h1, moms keepsake

[timber pawn]

Ya exactly. Basic enemies at current 32 are pretty rough

[sterile portal]

id be surprised if we dont get more keepsakes as more characters are introduced so maybe itll come back

[steel sequoia]

prolly will, i mean the main feature they should put in the game is pet cerberus, no way they wont give people that

[sterile portal]

i cant even imagine a 32 heat run rn lol. im struggling to even beat 20. granted thats a skill issue but its still definitely more punishing than 1. i beat hades on 32 heat (as well as up to 20 with every weapon) and theres just more stuff in this game that feels overwhelming

[steel sequoia]

i had problems but i figured how to make a smooth 20

i was doing this for 24 and feel ok with any weapon besides skulls https://postimg.cc/CRRWsNHD

[ionic moon]

probably after you save zagreus

[timber pawn]

If you wanna post or describe your fear setup, could help try and re-evaluate it

[steel sequoia]

and im slow, im keeping 9m i believe if ur tryhard enough u can do 7m runs and swap something from that

[sterile portal]

ill try next time, was just running an aspect of pan w/ poseidon special and the 360 special hammer

[steel sequoia]

5m high fear is for sick people

[timber pawn]

I've done most of my 32s at 5 min timer

[steel sequoia]

i dont think i can make a 7m in high fear with some weaps lmao

need to finish my trials

[civic ocean]

my dumb ass just beat chronos at 32 with pan without a special boon

held out for spiteful strength and didn't get it

literally just went in and cut his ass to death

[timber pawn]

My moros clear was spiteful

I imagine the payoff would've been good if the boon showed up lol

[civic ocean]

The specials were critting for 225 with no boon lol

[timber pawn]

I choked on my moros 32 like 4 times In a row, I was tilted by the time I finally won lol

[steel sequoia]

spiteful with doublemoonshot is crazy if you get it

[civic ocean]

it was this setup but I accidentally click on Hestia in Erebus and then she actually went crazy with Slow Cooker and Glowing Coal + Scorch in the cast for Origination

4 gods antler

[timber pawn]

I should really try antler

[gaunt jetty]

I had a pretty crazy scorch/air quality build, just spammed staff special. I put a screenshot in vic-boasting

[steel sequoia]

i cant try antler with keyboard, i cant dodge properly unfortunatelly

[sour cape]

Its really hard, would recommend Momus 🙏

[strange kite]

jesus no special pan?

[ashen timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243760249010262056/image.png?ex=6652a57f&is=665153ff&hm=4c308c912621760ae9cb51577094b4726e78198e5e8896ca919075d084583b3b&

Well that worked. I discovered that Blitz effects see scorch damage, so during the chronos fight I could just use zeus special and it would proc almost instantly, and with the duo it would pile on more scorch to continue the cycle. Didnt even have to get close most of the time.

[sour cape]

Then you could take no heal for kinda free

and no mana

[strange kite]

i cant imagine trying to just kill kronos with antler + nothing

[dry mirage]

i saw someone say the pink aura was more viable with aphro and demeter instead of appollo. How is that supposed to be played?

[strange kite]

how do u even make the timer?

[civic ocean]

dw it will be on yt soon and you can watch

[strange kite]

was it 7 minutes timer or 5 minutes timer and did u have extra enemies on?

[steel sequoia]

u can stack enough armor and evasion with luck

[civic ocean]

just beat his ass up dunno how to explain

[ashen timber]

Also just noticed that was my first deathless run.

[civic ocean]

5 min timer no extra enemies

[strange kite]

holy hell im gonna try 5 minute timer pan next time

actually i should level my god damn antler first on low heat

[civic ocean]

it wasn't nothing either it was like huntress strength antler slow cooker

Just no boon

but I honestly went in and started just doing the melee combo on his ass

[strange kite]

wait u took huntress on pan?

lmao melee huntress pan

[civic ocean]

always huntress on antler 5 min I thinkl

[strange kite]

fair enough

[civic ocean]

Just so you can whack stuff in erebus

[strange kite]

i get it. huntress for erebus is worth more than death and theres no other good 3 cost after orig

[bleak night]

You forego the large quantities of patrolling orbs in return for Demeter Cast to freeze enemies in place, it's generally not as RNG reliant as Apollo Legendary, so it's good to go for in terms of consistency. Apollo Pink Aura is very good, but you will only get it maybe 25% of the time, and those aren't very good odds

[strange kite]

good idea imma take huntress now

[dry mirage]

gotcha

[timber pawn]

I feel like getting to the heartthrob duo isn't that low odds with forsaking?

[bleak night]

You're going for Duo + Legendary

[timber pawn]

Right but it absolutely gets the job done with no leg

[bleak night]

low investment Pink Aura runs I've seen are Aphro with either Dem or Hera

[timber pawn]

But for the full build fair

[bleak night]

that's true, but in general you don't truly require extra Hearthrobs unless you're doing the funni damage

Just the one per 30 is good enough when combined with support-based casts or Scorch like some speedrunners on it prefer

Passion Dash + Cast is good for Origination

[dry mirage]

is it true born gain can go negative?

[civic ocean]

Honestly you may want to just try running 4 gods

Apollo+Aphro for offense

Demeter+Hera for Born Gain and defense

And then ur build just changes around based on which ones you come across in Erebus a bit

[bleak night]

I've never seen it go negative

[dry mirage]

fair

[bleak night]

That's true, yeah. In all honesty, you only really need Hera for Born Gain

her other boons can help, like Bridal Glow, etc, but they aren't super required

[sterile portal]

really? i havent used it much but it seemed pretty weak.

[bleak night]

go out on a run and use the Poseidon keepsake, grab his special, then machinegun spam the Special button (uncharged)

You'll see how ridiculous that thing is

[sour cape]

Its pretty mucy the best weapon for high heat, you can heal yourself to half hp spamminf omega special on awall

[timber pawn]

Lmk I'd like to watch

[sour cape]

and it ignores the no healing fear

and yea with Poseidon and double up hammer it deals tons of dmg

[civic ocean]

You can also forego Hera entirely and just commit yourself to Lucid/Tranquil

In fact something that isn't mentioned in PINK AURA is that you actually need a pretty specific combination of Boons to get Exceptional Talent - Nova Strike is needed if you start Aph, one of Lucid Gain and Solar Ring is needed, as is one of Extra Dose or Super Nova

[sour cape]

While also not really needing mana, so you can take like Demeter mana

[civic ocean]

So sometimes you get forced to take Lucid Gain

[bleak night]

Lucid Gain ain't bad, but Born Gain is def >>>, that being said, easier to get to Exceptional Talent, so it's an option

[sterile portal]

my problem with staff is that it feels very weak until it gets the right stuff. even with poseidon special, special spam doesnt seem to kill enemies fast enough to meet a 7min time limit

[sour cape]

I did 32 without the time limit yea

[civic ocean]

You can also just say that you don't need Exceptional Talent and take Born Gain

[sour cape]

But woulda made 9 mins

[sterile portal]

9 minutes might be manageable yeah

[civic ocean]

Though it does have incredible synergy with Sunny Disposition

[sour cape]

Dont take Revenants

[bleak night]

a lot of people are using it on a 5min timer and finishing in 7-14 minutes (total run time), so it might just be getting used to it + getting double moonshot early. But without double, you can reliably do it in 5 minutes/area all the same

[sour cape]

💀💀

[steel sequoia]

9m is ok, 7 is rough

[sterile portal]

i cant wait to see if this game ever gets beaten on max heat lol. feels very impossible

[civic ocean]

First of all, you have it max level, right?

[bleak night]

I can see it happening soon

[sour cape]

Specially if you going to heal between each room, that takes some time

[steel sequoia]

max fear blackout arcana so i think it cant be done

[bleak night]

some weapons do need buffs atm though

[sterile portal]

nah i dont. i think part of the reason im stuck on ~16 heat is because my aspects are kinda underleveled

[sterile portal]

skull feels so bad unless its madea lol

[sour cape]

Yea level up Momus, I had lvl 3

[bleak night]

I like using Persephone as well, it's quite fun

[civic ocean]

That's part of the reason, yeah. Are you turning on Huntress and Strength in Erebus?

[sterile portal]

i think so? i dont know the cards by name yet

[steel sequoia]

ive made my 20 fear with melinoe skull, tho i hate playing it i dont like skulls playstyle

[sterile portal]

when i used persephone it didnt work. that or i didnt understand it. glory growth was extremely slow to the point where i only saw its effects twice in the whole run

[bleak night]

Glory does take a bit to charge up to full atm

[sterile portal]

ive made it to 16 fear with it despite my gripes with it, no idea how

[steel sequoia]

u have to max it to make it worth probably

[sterile portal]

the upgrades on the aspect just make the maximum special length longer, dont think it effects glory growth

[civic ocean]

Huntress is if you don't have max mana you get damage on the special

And strength is you deal damage when you're below 30% hp

Both of these are crucial early to get Momus' damage up high if you don't have it max level

Not trying to like hard backseat u or anything. Just explaining why it may feel underwhelming

[weary dune]

Charon axe wants Zeus special and Apollo cast right?

[civic ocean]

Ideally, plus Demeter

[sterile portal]

i think its kinda cheating that you can get the statues now without having to fully beat olympus lol

[bleak night]

Those are good for it, yes. You also want Lightning Lance from Zeus

[sterile portal]

yeah thats fair. i dont think i use strength very much but i have huntress on

[bleak night]

Demeter is also good because her Cyclone-on-Cast isn't a primary boon, so it doesn't overwrite any slot

[steel sequoia]

i have a good run with hera special and apollo cast

[bleak night]

Do we have a name for those 5 boons that can be replaced if another god offers the same category? Primary boons ?

[steel sequoia]

is zeus special any good? i dont like blitz

[civic ocean]

I Air Fried Chronos with Persephone at 32 today the vod should be instructive about how good the max glory special is it went off 3 times in the fight I think?

[sterile portal]

im still figuring out good arcana builds, 30 grasp feels limited, although balance wise its probably fine, but its difficult to get a good set that i like without ommitting anything major

[bleak night]

The Blitz part instantly pops when you explode the Cast on Charon, so it feels instant rather than a status curse

[civic ocean]

With Thermal Dynamics it's doing insane dmg

[steel sequoia]

got it

i liked the hera special so i connected every lives and apollo melted everything

[strange kite]

how do u bank glory without accidentally using it early

[weary dune]

And then I guess Demeter sprint?

[strange kite]

is there like a secret mechanic?

[civic ocean]

Well when u think about it Glory comes up every 5k dmg right

[weary dune]

Not sure which regen to go for to feed it

[civic ocean]

Chronos has minimum 20k hp so

U get it a couple times that fight if you hold the omega special

[strange kite]

glory is super annoying mechanic for me cuz i have no idea how to control glory

[spare kite]

Core boons is what we use in 1

[civic ocean]

You just have to hold the Ospec

[bleak night]

Better term for it, yeah

[strange kite]

but it just spends it automatically

even when i dont want to use glory

[civic ocean]

No I mean hold like dont use it

[strange kite]

oh

[civic ocean]

Go Zeus Cast and let that rack up the dmg

[strange kite]

that sounds…. awful lmao

[civic ocean]

5 sec invul that does a ton of dmg is rly good

Like I do scorch but like Aph probably does a ton

And then you just have a huge ass omega cast and like aph attacks to build dmg in the meantimr

[zenith bolt]

dark thirst on skull. do i just aphro on medea and ball to get 32 out of the way

[steel sequoia]

i wont be touching persephone aspect any soon, hell with that

[civic ocean]

I was thinking trip earths medea

[zenith bolt]

we ball idk what im doing but im doing https://i.imgur.com/WycKI75.png

hammer start, vote now on if you think it's gonna be useless

[civic ocean]

You can honestly just ignore glory

You get 30% more dmg on your omega special and omega cast just go crazy

[steel sequoia]

dont think having more foes will help

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/euYq2VP.png we in this

[civic ocean]

Not too likely for medea

Are we huntress

[steel sequoia]

looks like a bad melinoe staff for me

[bleak night]

I've been enjoying axe swing builds more, and I've been training the techniques on it

[civic ocean]

30% more dmg is a lot

[zenith bolt]

i forgor

lemme give up and uhh remember good things

[bleak night]

Been pretty nice to train the side-specific arcs in order to stay in place so you don't misstep

[civic ocean]

Eapecially on casts its hard to get extra cast dmg and Moon gives you huge power to work with

[zenith bolt]

10 rerolls max damage, we ball https://i.imgur.com/F9Qo6NZ.jpeg

[timber pawn]

This looks uh, brutal. How many heat is this lol

[weary dune]

Ooh

[steel sequoia]

maybe a cast/sprint build with persephone should be fun

[civic ocean]

Ez medea win

[zenith bolt]

250 damage per attack+special with just colossus tackle

[civic ocean]

Easy

[weary dune]

Epic pressure points on Charon run

[zenith bolt]

absolutely raw https://i.imgur.com/S56F9Av.png

[bleak night]

oh, are you on your PC already ?

[timber pawn]

5 min timer and drop a damage and hp or something, medea beats 5 min erebus easy

[weary dune]

I assume easy shot isn't better then 5% pp

[civic ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/emperors-new-groove-kuzco-boom-baby-boom-surprise-gif-3883901

[zenith bolt]

yeah i got home about 2-3 hours ago

[bleak night]

Oooh

[civic ocean]

Did u see the 5 minute timer 3 scars 2 suffering pan build

[bleak night]

I'll keep working on the swing directions for now, I'm enjoying not needing to mindlessly whirl, for some reason

[civic ocean]

Oh yeah u reacted

Beat Chronos ass to death with the melee combo

Gave grandpa the 1 2 flurry

Cut him up like a Slap Chop

[weary dune]

Glorious disaster the shop before Hecate hell yeah

[calm maple]

@bleak night after messing around with Hera's attack on the axe, I'm still convinced that Aphro is The Truth.

[civic ocean]

Watch yr mana if ur running arro

[timber pawn]

Did you post the yt?

[civic ocean]

Uploadin

Gotta cut up the highlight for both runs

[bleak night]

personal preference ig. I find Hera to be better on it since I never really have issues with bosses, just the swathes of enemy mobs

[civic ocean]

Idk how to make thumbnails yet sadge

[calm maple]

Hera's all-earth boons help with Heph's infusion, but if you look at how many Hera-boons you'd need for her attack to keep pace with Aphro, there's no contest

[sterile portal]

torrential downpour with hades cast is absolutely maddening

[bleak night]

I mean, isn't that what Aphro literally is though? Rewarding you for staying up close all the time ?

[civic ocean]

That skull got a mind of its own fr

[sterile portal]

if you have tranquil gain it wins the chronos fight by itself lmfao

[bleak night]

I'm just finding Hera a lot more useful in terms of winning the actual run rather than doing raw damage

[sour cape]

https://imgur.com/jVbiUKT

What you think of this heat?

[lost shell]

Eos with Zeus on cast, Hestia on attack and Air Quality is insane

[bleak night]

play it on 24 instead of 32, you'll still get both rewards in one go

[civic ocean]

We got a believer

[bleak night]

the last one is Chronos 24

[calm maple]

If you need anything besides raw damage, I can't see how Demeter could be beat

[sour cape]

oh truee

[lost shell]

yeah... air quality is very strong and im a faithful eos believer now

[bleak night]

Hera offers me flexibility in that regard, is all. She's got damage and the ability to give me the best defensive option in the game as long as I stack the most common element in the game

[lost shell]

its a little bit harder to achieve air quality tho

[sour cape]

best defensive?

[bleak night]

You can do better with Aphro in terms of damage, I get that, but whenever I run Hera-Dem I kinda just never really lose

[sour cape]

Isn't Dem the best defensive?

[bleak night]

Heph in support boons

[lost shell]

i do it too, but wanted something different

[bleak night]

Invulnerability in the first 8-15 seconds of the game + armour stack, etc

[sour cape]

Ohhh still Coarse Grit 👀

although Hephaestus also stacks earth

[bleak night]

Dem is good for area denial, for the most part. Coarse Grit is the only real thing I'd say that is purely defensive, since you can use Dem for offensive purposes as well

[sour cape]

yea the cyclone slowing projectiles is helpful too

[timber pawn]

Winter coat is noteworthy too imo

[calm maple]

I think we're agreed that Heph and Dem are two of the three best gods for axe

[bleak night]

I forgot about that, mb

[sour cape]

and the seed hp 😆

[bleak night]

That's fair, yeah. I like Aphro as well, I just don't think I can run her consistently well on high fears

[timber pawn]

Pretty minor in the grand scheme, I generally agree with you

[bleak night]

If it's lower fears and I want to ensure everything dies asap, I run Aphro

[sour cape]

When do you fit in Hephaestus?

[timber pawn]

Any case to be made for Apollo?

[sour cape]

Daze feels good!

Is it additive with Dodge?

[bleak night]

I don't really plan for Heph, honestly. I run two god keepsakes in total if I don't find either Hera or Dem in the first two biomes. If I find Heph, then it's lovely, but I never run his keepsake, even in Oceanus if I find Hera-Dem immediately in Erebus

I'd rather run Chaos eggo

[sour cape]

oh I see

Yea Chaos boon is great value 🙏

[bleak night]

because you kinda have to note that Hermes offers you as well, and you'll almost always find him

[sour cape]

wait Hermes has Earth?

[bleak night]

Lemme grab my lil writeup

[sour cape]

Sometimes Chaos gives you the +2 Earth and Narcissus too

[bleak night]

: , , , (just one)
: , ,
: , , , ,
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[sour cape]

ohhh wow that is a lotta earth

[bleak night]

No doubt they're adding more Water down the line, it's the most underrepresented

just one infusion against Earth's 3 and Fire and Air's 2

[sour cape]

whats Aphros infusion?

[bleak night]

Dodge Rate with Air

[sour cape]

oh

[bleak night]

Dem dipping into earth rather than water made it imbalanced atm

[sour cape]

kinda weird since Weak is damge reduction

[bleak night]

Weak and Coarse Grit generally don't synergize all too well unless the target already deals less than 15

[sour cape]

yea.... Coarse Grit would synergize with the Apollo infusion 👀

[bleak night]

It applies weak to the enemy's attack and, only then, calculates if it's higher than 15 before getting Coarse Grit'd

[sour cape]

makes every enemy only able to do 10 dmg per hit effectively 😆

[bleak night]

Dem also doesn't synergize with the Poseidon primer, otherwise you'd be taking only 12 or 11 per hit

[calm maple]

I mean, she IS the goddess of the harvest. The game just decided to make her "The Ice Goddess"

[sour cape]

yea thats true

Earth/Water makes most sense for her

[calm maple]

Earth makes more sense on her

[bleak night]

They made her the winter goddess because Persephone's loss made her bitter about it all, but it's been a while since Hades 1, so I'm confused why she hasn't reverted yet

[bleak night]

That's true, just that I find it odd that she wasn't given a water infusion for balance purposes

[sour cape]

She still causes Winter when Persephones away

Coarse Grit if water 👀

[bleak night]

That'd be kinda mid on Axe, but I suppose good on other things

[sour cape]

yea

[bleak night]

Axe doesn't generally do well with Poseidon on any aspect unless you wanna do a meme drill run

[zenith bolt]

scylla stalling me in phase 2 bc she got featured artist and just spams the homing stuff LOL

[sour cape]

Momus chilling even more 💀

[civic ocean]

I'm highlighting the runs now and I forgot

[sour cape]

how does crit work with air quality?

[civic ocean]

I died to Scylla on Mel Staff because I lined up the Omega Attack to finish her and she blocked it with her face

[zenith bolt]

mfw aromatic phial 50/50 screws me over

this run may be joever if i dont start getting really lucky

[civic ocean]

doesn't

[sour cape]

😭

Than AQ no good?

[karmic gust]

any good non momus/pan poseidon builds for 32 heat?

[zenith bolt]

save me, bridal glow https://i.imgur.com/gepn7FD.png

[karmic gust]

i was thinking artemis aphro but i cant deal with ads :(

[bleak night]

The healthiest of rebounds

[red perch]

anyone got good build/god recommendations for melinoe skulls?

[bleak night]

What aspect are we trying ?

[ionic moon]

the second wife

[red perch]

melinoe, one more run til i get enough materials to unlock to other two aspects

[bleak night]

Try going for Aphro on attack and demeter on special and doing point-blank shots, it's funny

[red perch]

bet, ill try it out. Thanks!

[tame fern]

I do Apollo on Mel skulls (the idea is I shoot all three at once so they all have the damage buff, but it can be tricky to get the proper range to do that so Apollo guarantees hits)

[timber pawn]

Honestly huge for the medea chip damage you take

[brittle prairie]

Waiting patiently for Selene buffs as a Path of Stars enthusiast

[tired fulcrum]

i like how i took an erebus trial with js3 and it ended up taking a whole ass minute

[timber pawn]

I am curious about what their priorities are going to be for balance patching

[tired fulcrum]

Singly spawning unarmored enemies unpog

[timber pawn]

Oof. Ya I think I'm gonna have to do some fun runs to cleanse my palate a bit. I'm so used to taking every shop and NPC and never any trials for 5 min timer lol

[brittle prairie]

Hopefully not remove the fun broken stuff but I never looked into how the Hades 1 balancing worked out

[timber pawn]

Some of the outliers are pretty likely to be tuned down I think

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah it was not a good idea for td3 ended up timing out at hecate then died from timer at chronos lmao

[tame fern]

I feel that Hades 1 was mostly buffs throughout its early access

[timber pawn]

Story of my life

[tired fulcrum]

Nerf momus though momus isnt even fun

[empty timber]

hades 1 was mostly buffs but there was some pretty funny stuff very early on in EA that got nerfed

[timber pawn]

I feel like it's very telling that almost every 32 fear victory post is momus

Zeus chain lightning had to be given some sort of internal CD timer I think right? In h1

[empty timber]

yeah but that was a few months in after rail released

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus special definitely had a noticeable icd

[zenith bolt]

satyr hoplites on medea are literally the worst like there's 0 reason that im getting blocked but 90% of the time the enemy just decides they're taking no damage 😭

[empty timber]

what I always think about is that on day 0 of EA the shield's block deflected instead of just blocking which was then removed the next day

[tall notch]

Didn't they hard nerf chaos shield or something like that

[timber pawn]

Oh ya they sure did. I remember that now

[red perch]

bro WHAT

thats wild lol

[tall notch]

I haven't played ea h1 but I saw some footage

[zenith bolt]

yeah i died, medea is rough

[civic ocean]

I wonder if that means more stuff will get buffed to Momus' level instead of the other way around

[zenith bolt]

got to phase 2 chronos but satyr hoplites just suck and i had no hp

[empty timber]

day 0 h1 ea was so funny
bow didn't pierce but powershot was a 1.5x multiplicative boost so people were oneshotting hydra with it

[timber pawn]

I played like 100 hrs of late ea, and I actually barely played 1.0 lol. I got my 10 runs to get to mom story stuff and was kinda done

[civic ocean]

You didn't have dinner!>?

[zenith bolt]

charge into satyr hoplite head on
Blocked!
charge into it from behind
Blocked!
charge into it from side
Blocked!
why do i even try

[bleak night]

damn

[tired fulcrum]

Greatshield vibes

[timber pawn]

I actually don't think I did, now that you mention it, I should do that

[civic ocean]

My mic is too loud on stream 😦

[cinder path]

I think I'm firmly on the take antler with Charon and look for Demeter, Apollo, or aphro in that order

Antler too good

[red perch]

as an avid bow user in H1, this sounds HILARIOUS. ill have to look up some footage

[timber pawn]

Their block angle is a bit large isn't it

[zenith bolt]

new idea: i play persephone skull bc medea is cringe

[red perch]

go with smites way of balance; if everything is busted, nothing is

[zenith bolt]

i love suiciding into enemies bc 0 viable alternative

[empty timber]

hydra was also reworked at least 2 times in ea

[timber pawn]

I watched some medea speeds to get the feel for it, I think 'safe' medea play has a lot to do with angle of approach on enemies

[empty timber]

as a big smite fan in the past i think this is much more a DOTA thing than smite

[timber pawn]

But ya its pretty brutal

[civic ocean]

was it too hard before

[red perch]

oh 100%, i just think smite did it better than others like league. Not exaclty a great method, but funny most of the time

[civic ocean]

Dota is an amazing game but it is very information dense where if you're not processing all the info accordingly something will obliterate you

[empty timber]

i actually think league has more broken feeling stuff than smite, smite kinda feels like so many kits are just the same abilities and every ult has a huge power budget and etc.

[empty timber]

it was just a huge mess

[timber pawn]

Gotta say I don't miss lava from h1

Even though it has sort of made a re-appearance as oil fires on the surface

[civic ocean]

I think all the boss fights feel pretty good in Hades 2 so far - I think Polyphemus gets like a little messy and can be really unfair to melee centric builds, and maybe Chronos Phase 2 can get a little overwhelming but I think that fight just needs better visual clarity

[ionic lily]

the surface oil fires have become the new lava

[bleak night]

Icarus casually chilling in the middle of a sea of raging oil fire

[ionic lily]

Toula napping in the middle of a fire too

[red perch]

the oil makes me miss the lava tbh

[ionic lily]

very 'this is fine' energy

[red perch]

thats the one small niche thing i loved about arthur aspect sword; just drop the special on lava, and it creates a safe surface to stand on

[timber pawn]

One of my moros runs I got double tapped by a minute hand I didn't see coming

That sucked lol

[civic ocean]

What they really need to balance is the yellow shades

Those dudes are slayers

I like how the devs knew they absolutely could not get away with putting the big chungus with the Poletgeist 4000 in the pool of enemies that appear in Oceanus with Wandering like they knew exactly what would happen

[plain fossil]

40% polyphemus sucks nuts if ur melee i agree, the jump should not do damage

like if this is supposed to be normal polyphemus whenever they introduce EM its going to be really unreasonable

[strange kite]

i think cerb is a little silly sometimes but not too bad

im not sure what to do in phase 2 if theres a billion aoe circles in close range and then cerb does the fire breathing

or like cerb starts slamming while the aoe circles are around

[empty timber]

you can dash back and forth through the flame breath sometimes but it is just a ton of forced downtime yeah

[plain fossil]

the aoe circles dont do damage till the very end theres actually a lot more safe spots in cerb than the telegraphs would suggest

obviously cerb sucks because of all the downtime but theres a difference between forced downtime and forced damage

[timber pawn]

Chungus is up there with most annoying enemies. Sometimes you don't know it's aggroed until you get succed from downtown through like 18 enemies

[red perch]

the key thing that helped me alot, was those circles have individual timers on them so you can stand on them for a bit and can see when itll blow

[empty timber]

yeah, i think cerb is a very easy fight to do slow and a much harder fight to do fast

[ionic lily]

the only complaint I have with cerebus is how the aoe circles detonate a split second after the circles disappear

[strange kite]

for me im just unable to outrun the fire at range but the circles are all in close so i cant stand close

[plain fossil]

yea thats what captain was complaining about yesterday and i agree with that

[timber pawn]

Ya this is a problem

Lingering hitbox after visual is gone

[red perch]

i thought it was just me always dashing back in too eearly

[plain fossil]

that said, it gets u once then u remember that its stupid and u have to play around it and u dont get hit again. its not like some repeatable unfairness its just something that gets u the first time

[red perch]

good to know its likely fixable

[strange kite]

i just find the cerb fight to be way to heavy on positioning and u cant really iframe most attacks

[plain fossil]

u have to wait for the actual wolf head to disappear then its safe

[strange kite]

i dont like it

[ionic lily]

also maybe how his fireballs detonate on frinos and raised/charmed minions

[plain fossil]

yea i play around this now ive been trolled enough times by it

[empty timber]

yeah i find the cerb fight v easy but also even on my first attempt i could see how it could be hard for less campy-inclined playstyles

[strange kite]

i find it quite hard

[plain fossil]

ye probably the big difference is i dont play on 5 min timer even on 32 heat

so idc if cerb makes me run in circles for 3 minutes

[ionic lily]

nowadays I mostly use toula instead of frinos, and hardly ever get hexes, so I dont get affected by that any more, but its still a tiny bugbear

[strange kite]

i mean its easy low heat ofc but on heat 32 cerb is a genuine problem for me

[cinder path]

Unfortunately frinos turns off antler

[zenith bolt]

i think im just gonna take a break from skull dude 😭 i do not get this weapon and i'm not really having any fun

[plain fossil]

honestly i take more damage from adds on cerb

[cinder path]

So frinos is a stay at home frog

[civic ocean]

Nah frinos turns ON Antler + strength card

[strange kite]

actually frinos is fine for antler

[plain fossil]

join the skull hate club i got nfi what to do

[zenith bolt]

day 300 persephone buff waiting room

[plain fossil]

i just kamikaze into stuff and die

[gaunt jetty]

the way I play is I walk up to enemies and just juggle the skulls

[strange kite]

u can take cat instead id u get some max hp to turn on strength but frinos is perfectly fine

[civic ocean]

I have a yt video of a skull win going up but its mostly just me WABSing

[zenith bolt]

i could probably do it on medea if i just highroll hera dem but i just dont ucking care enough rn

[plain fossil]

the last time i tried playing skull i was like hey lets try this full array hammer

[cinder path]

I do not want to get good and calculate my hp and stuff with frinos. I want to take antler and let arty carry my scrub self

[zenith bolt]

getting raw dogged by satyr hoplites kinda killed my mood

[civic ocean]

there is actually a line on ur hp bar

[plain fossil]

turns out this full array hammer gimps ur dps unless ur standing literally inside the boss's nutsack

[zenith bolt]

tbf being inside of the boss is usually ideal in this game

[cinder path]

Too much looking. Toula always has antler on. Easy

[plain fossil]

polyphemus 😦

[zenith bolt]

the only boss that really forces you to back off is cerb and then cerb is just an asshat when he wants to be

[civic ocean]

if you take the +2 shells its really funny just how far they miss

[strange kite]

u… literally just see if ur health is under the line

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah poly exists too

[gaunt jetty]

ye, the prob with full array is they can fly away. thats why i find juggling so good

[strange kite]

and it increases ur effective hp drastically even with antler

suddenly ur not 1 shot by kronos anymore if u take strength

[zenith bolt]

choose to play medea
cerb spams explosions on himself the entire fight
medea is actually just cbt in an aspect

but medea has the least awful earlygame so like.

[strange kite]

that said i would still take cat and just use centaur hearts and the max hp arcana to turn on strength

[cinder path]

But antler one shots Chronos

[civic ocean]

hmmge

[strange kite]

u do realize

antler works with strength right?

[zenith bolt]

maybe strength on medea is my solution

like just life affirmation giga hp dr nonsense to tank the game

[gaunt jetty]

how do you use mediea? i prefer to just melee, and medea is awful for that

[cinder path]

I mean I have to have 30 HP right? So no titan. No frinos. Don't get hit. Easy.

[strange kite]

also i swear this entire discord is out to trick me into leveling antler and then when i actually do it its gonna just be “return to shadow now” over and over

[plain fossil]

ive been trying high heat runs with mel torches on surface, mel torches vs 40% speed polyphemus is the actual cbt

[strange kite]

but… why?

[zenith bolt]

i think 40 speed poly is just like that for most weapons

[strange kite]

strength is good

especially for erebus before u have antler equiped

[cinder path]

Oh I start with antler

[plain fossil]

well ur allowed to click momus or glowing coal pan and offscreen him but otherwise yea sure

[strange kite]

BRUH okay wait how

[zenith bolt]

momus isnt real and glowing coal requires h*stia

jk hestia goated for surface bc soot sprint

[plain fossil]

hey man if im surface i like hestia

[zenith bolt]

chary and eris cheese

[civic ocean]

honestly based just go raw antler

[cinder path]

Mel's base HP is 30

[civic ocean]

who cares what boon u get just kill them

[strange kite]

no i mean how do u not start with god keepsake?

[cinder path]

Exaaaaaaactly

[zenith bolt]

luck is a skill

[civic ocean]

Boons are for the weak just deal 180 damage

[plain fossil]

this is some glowy brain sh*t

[cinder path]

You just pick like....3 boons you find acceptable in your core slot

[strange kite]

do i need to explain that god + strength deals more damage than antler nothing?

and ends up being way stronger in oceanus?

[mystic barn]

Haven't played yet, but please tell me you can pet ceberus again.

[civic ocean]

fresh off my Pan build where I think I set the WR for highest Fear cleared on Pan without any boons that interact with your Specials in any way

[zenith bolt]

is anyone actively tracking said WR

[civic ocean]

Actually untrue I had slow cooker - fraud

[zenith bolt]

seems like a decently narrow category

[civic ocean]

We went for spiteful strength and got scammed

[zenith bolt]

classic

[cinder path]

I mean I think antler is so busted that as long as you hit one of your 3 acceptable boons in your core slot it's a better option

[civic ocean]

Still won though just beat grandpa to death with vent critting for 1500 lmao

[zenith bolt]

vent buffs when

[bleak night]

never

[zenith bolt]

i just want vent to not punish you for using heph's stuff to a greater degree

[bleak night]

also, I was surprised to find out Heph can crit

[zenith bolt]

i mean it follows the same logic as poseidon waves getting damage boosts etc

[bleak night]

I just never used it enough on Than ig

[civic ocean]

vent should go off and reapply if you hit with another heph blast or smth

maybe that's OP idk they can reduce the vent dmg

[zenith bolt]

yeah this solution was literally in a (highly rated, mind you) #h2-feedback i posted

[strange kite]

i wont get scammed into running antler on high heat

[civic ocean]

idk antler is kinda beast

[zenith bolt]

like the timer resetting on vent is such a kick in the head

[strange kite]

not dying is also beast tho

[civic ocean]

esp with heph boons for defense antler is kinda crazy

[zenith bolt]

i popped off i think https://i.imgur.com/VUgMkqo.png

[strange kite]

the thing is

if i could get hera and heph keepsake i would consider antler

[civic ocean]

I think it's like the only dmg increasing keepsake that is like super good to build around

[strange kite]

but id rather go born gain on oceanus

[cinder path]

Ye agreed

[strange kite]

poseidon erebus plus born gain oceanus feels way more reliable than anything else

[civic ocean]

yeah but thats lame

[zenith bolt]

tbf not a super high bar when every other damage keepsake is additive

[bleak night]

can't wait for Momus to be nerfed to the ground or changed

[zenith bolt]

hera pos, i sleep

[strange kite]

u call it lame but i like to do the same thing every run

[civic ocean]

raw Antler on the other hand that is not lame it's certifiably psycho I like it

[cinder path]

It's much harder to access critical damage in this game. That makes antler significantly more valuable

[zenith bolt]

raw antler medea on high fear

just don't get hit

[blissful wren]

Id be ok with that suggestion if not waiting did half the vent damage because i think part of the reason it doesnt reset on application is to restrict you to 1 heph blast and slow down your gameplay

[cinder path]

I mean I cleared 32 with raw antler Charon this evening

[bleak night]

Dear god

[zenith bolt]

i mean the balancing aspect is ultimately up to the devs and beyond the scope of my suggestion anyway

[civic ocean]

I think I would still run strength and frinos with raw antler fwiw you just let mobs hit you for the first 2 rooms and then you deal like a billion dmg by room 3

[strange kite]

also if i get hera in erebus i just put on either chaos or apollo. i think apollo is good if u get both poseidon hera in act 1 as a support god that can potentially luck into a strong legendary

[zenith bolt]

ultimately the feedback channel is more for discussing what isn't working (or what is) and the "how does this get improved" is a footnote

[bleak night]

That's true, yeah

[cinder path]

I could see it but I think with onion/selene the timer can get real scary

[zenith bolt]

selene start is honestly just bs and hard to consider losing off of any skill-based metric

[blissful wren]

i agree, its not really about balance, but i say that bcz i dont think thats what they were going for it vent, there should be some change to it, but not that imo

[strange kite]

do u do 5 minute and onion?

or do u mean like onion into selene into nothing?

[zenith bolt]

artificer probably

[cinder path]

In my Charon run i ended with 70 max hp

[civic ocean]

charon antler damn Tyler is insanely based

[ionic lily]

I swear the game literally hates me and everytime I decide to try a 32 fear attempt it gives me selene start

[civic ocean]

sry tyler I was not familiar with ur game

[bleak night]

Swap your arcana a bit or change keepsake and the seed should be different

[strange kite]

hmm i like artificer but i cant afford it also i havent upgraded it and it conflicts with money

[zenith bolt]

changing keepsake doesnt change the seed

[cinder path]

Lmao

[strange kite]

in theory if i had like 1 more grasp i would take artificer every time

[bleak night]

If your weapon has at least two good Arcana setups, swap to that one and the start will stop being Selene

[bleak night]

ah mb

[blissful wren]

selene shouldnt come unless you gave a gain boon or if its oceanus because its useful until then

[strange kite]

walking into room 2 changes the rng

its only room 1 and room 2 reward that’s determined

[ionic lily]

ohhh, I didnt know the seed could be changed, everytime I just swapped to another weapon and did a low-fear fun run instead

[strange kite]

room 3 onwards its random again

[blissful wren]

that explains a lot

[bleak night]

yeah, it's random again when you swap at least one Arcana out

[blissful wren]

I was confused why it was rerolling stuff

[strange kite]

yeah u cant seed a whole run

u can only seed the start. i feel no need to die and reset seed at all

[blissful wren]

but u could in h1 right

[modern yacht]

I have no clutch gene

[strange kite]

i just go in snd take the same start and by room 3 its random enough i dont care anymore

[blissful wren]

(seeding the whole run)

[strange kite]

i think? not 100% sure

[zenith bolt]

i think i died more to chronos in that 32 medea run more bc i was tilting to satyrs more than actually having issues with chronos

blocked damage sound hurts me inside

[strange kite]

luuul

[bleak night]

clang

[zenith bolt]

like how tf do you hit satyr hoplites on medea i stg those mfs have 360 degree protection

[strange kite]

fr tho erebus timer is so scary in this game

7 minutes and im like trying to play recklessly just to get through timer

[tame fern]

Vs them on Medea I haven't had much problems, I feel like if you dash through them then the explosions will hit them because technically you're behind them at the time the explosions go off

[blissful wren]

that one satyr miniboss in ephyria is so annoying

[zenith bolt]

i just ball through erebus and spend dds if i need to bc theres opportunities to get them back later if i really need

[zenith bolt]

arguably hardest miniboss in the game

[ionic lily]

oh I really dislike that miniboss too

[zenith bolt]

health is a resource you spend to do damage

[strange kite]

also in erebus ever since i turned off mana regen

ive been having trouble with running out of mana

[sour cape]

Ephyria?

[zenith bolt]

ephyra, 1st surface area

[sour cape]

Oh which satyr?

[blissful wren]

didnt know how to spell it

[zenith bolt]

the miniboss, Satyr Champion

[sour cape]

Ohhh the block guy 💀💀

[zenith bolt]

eris 0.5

[blissful wren]

yep

[sour cape]

I hate the money bags more

hes soooo tanky 💀💀

[tame fern]

I think the money bag's instant tracking glitch is gone now?

[sour cape]

But the Satyr champ is no joke

[zenith bolt]

usually by tartarus you have a build though

[sour cape]

Oh it is? The insta tracking is a nightmare

[blissful wren]

havent done the extra rooms in tart in a while bcz i ussually run bitterness at 32 fear

[tame fern]

I feel like I haven't encountered the instant tracking in a long time, not sure if it's truly gone

[sour cape]

thats truee

[strange kite]

when running onion should i just go artificer? and try to live with 6 rerolls?

[sour cape]

Money bags + Hourglasses are my least fav rooms 💀💀

[civic ocean]

when running onion u should just raw antler and go buckwild

[sour cape]

The hourglasses block all my shots

[tame fern]

If you're running onion then you're either going super high heat and you're better than me, or you're low heat in which case why run it

[zenith bolt]

goldwraith and tempus

miniboss goldwraith is called goldwrath

[strange kite]

when running onion without antler should i just go artificer? and try to live with 6 rerolls?

[sour cape]

Artificer kinsa underrated?

Turning some junk psyche into a boon is nice 😎

[civic ocean]

Artificer is a little weird to run in erebus because it can brick your build because it doesn't listen to ur keepsake

[tame fern]

I don't like Artificer much, it's too random

[blissful wren]

3 boons early game is pog, it can even give hammer

[zenith bolt]

i think artificer is pretty appropriately rated
it's good it's just expensive and kinda rng

[civic ocean]

like if U want to do poseidon hera heph Artificer can be like OKAY HEPHSTIA IT IS

[strange kite]

hmm interesting

[sour cape]

How bout Strength? Underrated?

[zenith bolt]

you will play chain reaction and you will like it

[tame fern]

I feel like if I was to run onion then I would try to do a really fast build, like Thanatos Zeus cast or something

[sour cape]

50% dmg reductions a lot 👀

[strange kite]

yeah it does cost too much

[civic ocean]

I think it does obey the god pool but the only build I play it on is pink aura and then I don't use it until I have Aph Apollo locked

[zenith bolt]

how much dps is max heph attack + chain reaction anyway, 200 before other damage buffs?

[twilit timber]

It's a 3 god pool now right?

[sour cape]

How much is strength?

[civic ocean]

it's 3 god no kicks

[cinder path]

I ran full rolls

[blissful wren]

5 grasp

[sour cape]

Oh yea thats a lot

[zenith bolt]

not sure how to rate 200 dps comparatively

[strange kite]

would raw huntress strength pan attack be good enough without boons?

[zenith bolt]

given, that requires a whole duo and an upgraded heroic heph attack, but still

[civic ocean]

it is ye

[strange kite]

cool i know what to do now

[zenith bolt]

though ig heph + hestia you'd have pretty consistent origination anyway so 300?

[civic ocean]

I took heph attack but I think u can just take trusty sheidlge

[strange kite]

east u really saved me yo. this huntress build is gonna cook so hard

[civic ocean]

no guarantees

I am wrong all the time

[bleak night]

what does Huntress do on Pan?

[zenith bolt]

you die irl (idk

[strange kite]

it’ll be better than wayward or death at least

[bleak night]

Is Death that bad on it ?

[civic ocean]

cuts up erebus

[strange kite]

for erebus as a backup early weapon

[sour cape]

Wouldnt Death be better?

[bleak night]

probs not if Poseidon, which I'm guessing it is

[sour cape]

Huntress doesnt affect omegas

[civic ocean]

Death is like a 1.1x mult on the omega dmg it feels kinda underwhelming

[strange kite]

death doesnt work on poseidon so it’s a 10% damage increase applied only to the BASE special dps

[bleak night]

Yeah, there we go, Poseidon

[sour cape]

Ohh

[zenith bolt]

huntress is so your sh!t doesn't get packed in erebus

[strange kite]

death is horrendous

[bleak night]

I like it on Than

[zenith bolt]

death is at the very most a 1.15x damage boost assuming all your damage is omega and all your damage is boosted by it

[strange kite]

i was literally considering wayward son and just stay at 28 grasp over death lmao

1.1

[civic ocean]

I am growing sus of non Moon+Zeus builds on Than it seems wise to play around the 100 power increase with a 20% critical chance

[zenith bolt]

5% crit chance, crits are 3x damage, 15% damage boost

[strange kite]

oh lord here we go again

[sour cape]

I guess no Origination 😭😭

[strange kite]

okay what is 3x damage as a modifier on top of base 100% damage?

like +x%

[zenith bolt]

im too tired

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1243788843455479818/Hades_II_2024-05-24_21-46-58.mp4?ex=6652c020&is=66516ea0&hm=0c22db75ce05d5fbe38493d3276e66075da6da7ea607b20e2d7ed69860ac696e& master conductor moros real

[zenith bolt]

u right

my excuse is i've been in the car for 7 hours today

[tired fulcrum]

why is zeus heph such a bad combo for procing origination

[bleak night]

The fact that you're just so used to i-framing the instakill is sending me

[zenith bolt]

vent isnt that bad but yeah blitz sucks

[tired fulcrum]

I definitely didn't get hit by it 10 seconds before this clip

[zenith bolt]

master conductor when it deletes all of your lovers charges frame 1

[strange kite]

bruuuh

[bleak night]

perfection requires practice I suppose

[timber pawn]

Ya master conductor not good for high fear lol

[strange kite]

i swear the iframe on instant kill is like maybe 2 or 3 frame window or something idk

cuz it would be iframse of dash - active frames of ik

and the activate frames of ik is most definitely not 1

[tired fulcrum]

oh that explains why my acorn got evaporated the instant heph invince wore off

[bleak night]

if there's a mod that lets Skelly do instakills so I can practice it, that'd be lovely

[strange kite]

hmm can u quit game on charon with coarse grit and then version control ur save file and then u can use that to practice?

[bleak night]

tf I didn't realize Circe was pronounced like that

[icy axle]

Which boon is best for medea?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah definitely feels like that with swift runner

[twilit timber]

Man they need to let us quit in safe chambers

[bleak night]

That's also true

[strange kite]

u can mod the scripts to make ur huntress deal 10000% damage to phase faster

[bleak night]

wait, why would I be running Coarse Grit on Charon

[tired fulcrum]

Making a savestate is actually pretty easy

[strange kite]

sorry i guess charon shop doesnt work

[strange kite]

oh really? how?

[bleak night]

Copy the save state in the Hades II folder

[tired fulcrum]

Uh lemme find the speedcord guide

[strange kite]

oh that

no i mean i understand that although not the specifics

i was just suggesting version controlling it so its faster

and its easier to manage multiple saves

[tired fulcrum]

theres some save manager that idk how to use so I just put them in a folder lol

[strange kite]

git

oh lmao

[tired fulcrum]

actually wdym by version control

[strange kite]

git init

like literally go into the save file folder and just make it a git repo

and whenever u want to make a version u can just make a branch

and u can checkout the branch to turn all ur profiles into that branch state

and when ur ready to play normally checkout ur main branch

[tired fulcrum]

Is that really less effort than just copying a file into profile4

[strange kite]

yes

because the swap is close game and then 1 line

git checkout kronos-practice

or use the save manager if thats easier

git is just the “works for literally every game” solution

even games that dont give u save slots

[night gazelle]

Can you replace Apollo Cast with Zeus Cast and still have Glorious Disaster (duo) work?

[zenith bolt]

given the duo specifically requires solar ring, i have my doubts

[night gazelle]

That’s what I was concerned about

[tired fulcrum]

Nope

[night gazelle]

It’s probably a custom mechanic like Ice Wine. But the way it’s worded, it didn’t have to be

[zenith bolt]

i think it's just worded somewhat vaguely given the existence of solar ring on your build is implied

[civic ocean]

@timber pawn #self-promotion message

losing it at "he boomed me!"

[warped harness]

i should record more of my own runs and just check what i mess up at the most

i feel like those enemies that spit 5 bullets in erebus are easily my worst enemy

[bleak night]

What's good to use to record full runs? Thinking of using Nvidia shadowplay but the filesizes on Chronos fights alone are 1gb

Gamebar is about half that, and that's a 3-4 minute video

[analog ether]

Curious question:

How does the Dancing Knives hammer (increased Special damage and Special splits into 2 ricochets) interact with Poseidon boons? Does the backsplash also apply to the ricochets? Or just the initial hit?

[bleak night]

I don't play Blades much, wish I could help

[civic ocean]

I don't remember offhand but I think it does?

[wise nest]

It does

What do people normally do on Thanatos? I tried running it on higher heat but it seems genuinely worse than Arthur

Partly because it's worse vs projectiles and partly because projectiles are more threatening in this game

[warped harness]

im not super sure, OBS is very free and customizable (and i dont have an nvidia gpu) so thats what I use most often. any recording is going to take a lot of space, and usually the high filesize is simply bc youre recording without much loss

gamebar, i know brave is another some people use

not brave sorry, medal.gg

[red perch]

ive been using obs with no problems, but i have the luxury of plenty of space

[warped harness]

i dont know if that works for capturing a full run. obs you can tweak to take less space but it will still be a lot and you'll likely need to upload your vids to yt

[tame fern]

I haven't built Thanatos but I heard that omega casts can ramp up your crit chance so I'm excited to try Zeus cast, whack with safe attacks, then if I lose my stacks Zeus cast again

[civic ocean]

Obs is beast

[acoustic remnant]

I should try this

I think I made mynt cry last time I played aphrodite blades so it’s back to posideon 😔

[bleak night]

What lmao

[zenith bolt]

fourthing OBS

[acoustic remnant]

the run i ran into everything trying melee

[bleak night]

ah lol, yeah

[ionic moon]

room 1 hammer on... artemis
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243205888010092665/1243821978989629470/Untitled.png?ex=6652defc&is=66518d7c&hm=845a5d1b5e44b8ce69af4d82ec55c3ca39b26175e919bae84060a69c77463b05&

[wise nest]

Yeah seems like omega cast is what you have to do to avoid just getting blasted whenever forced overtime is involved

[wise nest]

Pan enjoyers in shambles watching this

[zenith bolt]

disastrous uhh spiral knives least bad here bc you can still just tap fire special in a pinch

[wise nest]

Something I noticed, the ricochet knives seem to interfere with the backstab one

Room 1 hammer, swap off artemis and to pan 🧠

[bleak night]

I wanna do a Necromancer run

[zenith bolt]

night bloom + sun worshipper + waiting 15 years

[bleak night]

I'll find a way to make it work

[ionic moon]

Mel staff and Charon are pretty good at chugging mana to spam night bloom maybe

[zenith bolt]

eos torches are extremely magick hungry

and scale that magick drain with weed killer/apollo legendary even more

[lusty heron]

selene doesnt count as boon for onion right ?

[bleak night]

nope

people wish it was though

[wise nest]

listen, it can always be worse

don't make them bring back uc + ap2

[proven orbit]

I am so called out by this statement because unknowingly doing a meme drill made me win axe run first try

Although it was with omega special spam as well, which really does not bode well and led to a ~10 minutes final fight

[bleak night]

Drill build is funny

[proven orbit]

100%

[wise nest]

Honestly outside of cast builds on charon the axe seems god awful

[limber dock]

how do I learn to hunt boons is there an easy place to see what early boons you need to get to be eligible for certain duos and such

[wise nest]

Check out the wiki, since the boon list is gated behind 2 ambrosia

[bleak night]

lol

[limber dock]

pretty sure im far enough im at 1 6 fear on all weps just braindead thanks

[wise nest]

You could do the in game route though

[proven orbit]

I think I would have a better reception of the axe if the hitstun from axe swings was longer so I could actually do the third swing without mobs strolling out of the attack
Obviously doesn't fix the plot hole of boss dps, but hey, one step at a time

[wise nest]

the worst part is that even with hermes attack speed, if you're not on base aspect you will still get interrupted by tons of enemies

[limber dock]

ive had some luck with hephestus axe big chop and the double hit but other than that i just run special + cast builds

[bleak night]

sounds like you just don't animation cancel on it enough

[limber dock]

2 swings reset

[wise nest]

I love animation cancelling but it just doesn't do damage in comparison

[bleak night]

really? It does damage for me at 40+

My setup on controls probably helps

[wise nest]

just as a general assumption say you have 250% attack boost

Your 2 hit combo does 100 + 200 damage

[bleak night]

I never run Aphro, so I don't really have that damage boost

[wise nest]

Meanwhile any other weapon is doing more damage from range or with better frame data

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238142681339662427/Axe_no_third_hit.mp4?ex=663e35ba&is=663ce43a&hm=96d5fe1e8bb5fddbcc2e93f11f2e94030eafd6926352a398d69a84bb55754484 pretty much, yeah

[wise nest]

Yeah shield cancelling is a thing but your dps pales in comparison to spin2win which already gets beat out for both safety AND dps by ranged options

[limber dock]

I dash to animation cancel using the sheild is nice

[bleak night]

probs play it better ig

[limber dock]

hadnt thought of that

[bleak night]

I'm kinda tired of seeing the same thing being said all the time, so I'll kinda just answer like this

[wise nest]

It literally just doesn't scale as well lmao

[bleak night]

I have an easier time on Axe 45 than the rest, maybe that's just a me thing

[wise nest]

1st swing getting matched in damage by 1 shot from funny momus is insane

[proven orbit]

Maybe it's in part warranted by the axe being one of the few weapons that can block (as janky as the block hitbox is sometimes)

[limber dock]

when you say 45 you mean 45 heat?

[bleak night]

Momus is getting changed or nerfed to the ground

[bleak night]

Yep

[limber dock]

momus shouldnt heal or shoulnt have the damage both is crazy you can just stand next to a wall and pump them out or dps

[wise nest]

Arthur went a lot harder as far as defense even counting the block

But even that just cannot go as high as other weapons just because they're objectively better

[proven orbit]

Out of the two, I assume the heal will be changed, because it seems a tad ridiculous, especially coming out of ||guan yu|| experience

[wise nest]

It's not about whether you can do something on the axe, it's the fact that your DPS is lower for more effort and more risk than the ranged weapons

[bleak night]

something for the devs to fix, I suppose

[limber dock]

isnt it less risk than the ranged weapons as you can block anything in the game?

[bleak night]

blocking on this weapon is janky atm

[wise nest]

The block mechanic is wonky

[bleak night]

sometimes I can aim it at the boss and it'll block things behind me because I'm blocking at the general direction of the one casting it

[proven orbit]

Block always has been wonky tbf, but I do feel like it became less consistent still

[wise nest]

Dodging and parrying with base hits is super fun but it does no damage compared to brainless charon cast boom or spin2win

[bleak night]

sometimes it just doesn't, and I can't really tell most of the time

[wise nest]

Chronos having 5 billion health and each massive axe swing barely taking any off is a bit painful

[proven orbit]

Then there is omega special being forced after some time yet not giving you block frames to finish the omega

So you have to tap block repeatedly

[bleak night]

You can do retreating shield blasts, at least

[wise nest]

Well you can dash cancel it

[bleak night]

That's the one thing going for it atm

[wise nest]

But it feels super stiff and awkward

Between Athena being turbobusted, Arthur having faster hits with dashstrikes, projectiles being way more threatening now, and hallowed ground having better defensive value, it was definitely stronger than raw axe hits at clearing high heat/fear and even then it was awful

Like even insanely good players barely pushed it past 50 heat

I get that omega charging is the new mechanic and they want it to be valuable, but there just doesn't seem to be nearly enough utility or damage on base axe hits to really be worth it

[bleak night]

Base Axe has no real identity atm, yeah

Kind of overshadowed by the two aspects, since recovery speed in general doesn't seem that noticeable

[proven orbit]

It feels pretty noticeable after having to suffer at default speed with no other gimmicks (looking at the footage of cancels above), but I assume it's not enough to make it a strong winner

[bleak night]

if you weave in specials at the right time, the iframes move into the swings themselves, but I think it hurts the fingers too much for negligible progress

[lusty heron]

can i use moros keepsake outside combat to reset my health in fire ?

[bleak night]

...I've never tried

I'd think not, but are you willing to test ?

[lusty heron]

no this is my best attempt at 32 fear surface yet xD

[bleak night]

ah, then yeah

[proven orbit]

Stubborn defiance flashbacks