h2-builds-and-combat

[civic ocean]

I'll be sad if it's not dusa

[stable sable]

That would be too broken

[silver tiger]

I can imagine skelly being a familiar, just goes with you and is a damage sink... though I guess that's kind of what the frog does

[zenith bolt]

omega attack petrifies enemies in a cone in front of you

[civic ocean]

so if you go 5 minute timer on Pan blades and go triple earths you can actually go Suffering II and Blood II instead of Blood III to get to 32 hmmmmmge

Does Pan have enough dmg to get through Erebus at a 5 minute timer with no Commotion, Dominance, Rebuke, or Haunting

[timber pawn]

Tbh I think you'd still want pos special and then dem/heph with 5 mins

[civic ocean]

Yeah but thats lame

I think you can start volc attack and then with none of the defensive fear up on enemies you can get through it? maybe?

might need practice

the other option is 7 minute timer Blood III and 1 level of dominance or commotion

or instead of Heph start you start Hera and you go Engagement Ring because everything is so low HP

[broken pier]

is the 200% hera/heph duo worth building around?

I got it once on ww axe and it seemed solid

[civic ocean]

I think so yeah, mostly because the components are really really good (Born Gain, Heph's defensive boons)

[broken pier]

I was curious how it compares to aphro special on pan knives

[civic ocean]

Probably similarly

harder start, though, than poseidon or aph, for sure

[celest swallow]

since it lets you stack a bunch of defensive stuff while boosting both attack and special heavily my brain always whispers to me "make it work on medea, do it, you won't"

[cursive oyster]

ty

[broken pier]

i haven't unlocked that one yet right? thats the healer staff?

or is that the tackle skulls

[civic ocean]

Melee range skull

[celest swallow]

no, medea is the tackle skull

beowulf without the shield lol

[broken pier]

I couldn't not die trying that lol

[civic ocean]

The whole point is to load up on heph boons and get Coarse Grit from Demeter so its hard to die

[bleak night]

Medea is fun until you get smacked

[broken pier]

if you have course grit and damage reduction% does that apply after the 15 reduction?

[zenith bolt]

you take aphro on medea so you have healthy rebound cope

also bc you're always in melee range anyway, lol

[celest swallow]

which is when you realize you must work harder 💪 😔

yes i'm plenty aware of aphro medea, i didn't say "hey you should do this," i said the gremlins in my brain whisper to me to try it

[civic ocean]

I'm so bad at Chronos looking over my fights from yday

[timber pawn]

Honestly, can be pretty good. I had two chaos hp/location boons in my 32 medea run

[broken pier]

I feel like all my clears are on axe or daggers lol, I've had 1x clear on the skull, cause I had the auto reload and the +2 skulls

[stable sable]

Aspect Of Medea is just too bad

[broken pier]

I hate the torches so freakin much lol, and the staff I just am bad at lol, I maxed out the omega cast aspect and got TO chronos once but didnt have the dps to take him out

[stable sable]

I had Chronos in the 2nd phase but Medea is just way too clunky to get him down

[hasty patrol]

Is it just me or is the cat severrly underpowered compared to the frog

[zenith bolt]

i think i saw a 7:07 medea in my recommended the other day

[stable sable]

And sadly I did not have any good damage substitutes such as Apollo Cast or the likes

[broken pier]

I didn't know the frog acted as a wall lol, ive been using that lazy ass cat to catch fish and thats it lol

[zenith bolt]

https://youtu.be/2unmJ1ZEjAQ?si=_tCgMD_vDf4PtJ35

[stable sable]

Well, congratulatiaons to whoever did that but my Medea aspect was barely even able to kill basic Satyrs

[celest swallow]

nah you can definitely get Chronos down with Medea, as you can with any aspect

[hasty patrol]

Wow guys, a death defiance that you die in 1 shot so usefull!

[sturdy trail]

Have you been giving treats? Fri Fri also gives you like 30 or 40 hp for free just for having him

[stable sable]

Yes but Medea sucks more in the fight against Chronos than other weapons

[zenith bolt]

i use toula for farming bones bc fish are optimal for bones and toula removes the fishing minigame

[celest swallow]

meh, not really, just gotta get your dash timings right

[hasty patrol]

Fri fri?

[sturdy trail]

I thought mini game was cool at first… then I was like okaaaaay wrap it up

[sturdy trail]

Frinos :) Fri Fri

[spare kite]

I was so glad the minigame was the same then I got a perfect catch, then I was sad

[bleak night]

dear god

[stable sable]

Look can you just accept that IN MY OPINION the weapon is worse/less comfortable to use during the Chronos fight instead of trying to tell me I'm wrong

[celest swallow]

if that was what you said yeah, you didn't preface it that way, no need to get heated

[sturdy trail]

🤓 welllll ACK-TUALLY

[stable sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cinder-block-gif-25583904

[celest swallow]

been a lot of people just spouting stuff as objective fact when it's their preference/taste/experience/etc. so not gonna be uncommon to get responses being like "no that's actually not true" if it's unclear you're saying "i personally don't like the thing/don't do well with it" vs. "it's the worst for this"

[ocean quail]

Aspect of Charon + The Moon + Blackened Fleece + Apollo omega were insanely fun.

[sturdy trail]

I shouldn’t have laughed but I did

[ocean quail]

Btw seems like Eos attack doesn't work with backstab, is that intended?

[sturdy trail]

I’ll give each and every one of them ghosts a knife to shank with

[celest swallow]

especially when it's about saying medea is bad over and over when medea has had the best clears so far skull-wise from what i've seen lol

[sturdy trail]

Really? That’s surprising. I was turned off by it

[tall notch]

Are both the attacks and ghosts returns unable to backstab? I'll be honest I never stacked Apollo on Eos

[celest swallow]

(see also: the hourly "torches objectively bad" stuff)

[sturdy trail]

|| and they are || but some people really enjoy them

[zenith bolt]

gamers using the word objective is always funny

[summer seal]

Same, I can see how Medea can have good play, but the feel of it is just terrible for me. Skull in general just feels bad to me

[ocean quail]

I wanted to try it out, they don't back stab at all it seems, way out and back.

[tired fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/2unmJ1ZEjAQ

[tall notch]

Eris is objectively the best girl

[zenith bolt]

snail emoji kinda

[tall notch]

Might be a bug, f10 it

[tired fulcrum]

"I can fix her"

[summer seal]

Eos being the exception, that one I can enjoy

[zenith bolt]

she can make me worse

[tall notch]

She's perfect the way she is

[spare kite]

She can fix mel

[tired fulcrum]

yall sus

[bleak night]

mannn

[celest swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1139177187149357087/1243592945488232511/Screenshot_2024-05-24_115407.png?ex=665209af&is=6650b82f&hm=a98726e77dc1520a7f3f52472afbd8d3ef4921c9a4745d7049f77ba94a1724cf&

[bleak night]

I need to try speedrunning now, too

[sturdy trail]

Ewwwww why is Medea GOOD?

[zenith bolt]

bc its fun

[bleak night]

I kinda like the idea

[tired fulcrum]

Because funny damage

[zenith bolt]

and also it's like the only actual skull aspect

[spare kite]

Non bugged beo is fun

[celest swallow]

because you get to load->special->dash->repeat

[cursive oyster]

aspect of mel is fun

[celest swallow]

it's honestly a really fun groove to get into

[sturdy trail]

I only played Medea one like, first upgrade on surface.

[tired fulcrum]

Mel is fun but also its extra sad when you get crap hammers

[tall notch]

Mel skull with 5 ammo hammer is the only one I enjoy

[dry mirage]

im abt to try a surface 32 fear run 🫡

[ionic lily]

I think the only objectively bad aspect is circe

[tall notch]

Unless we count Zeus cast Persephone but that's not playing skull

[tired fulcrum]

Just make 5 ammo hammer innate on skulls

[mystic bison]

Persephone with Zeus Apollon duo >

[sturdy trail]

I think I’ve got like.. a rotten husk of brain in the area that’s supposed to think about how to use Aspect of Eos.

It just does not jive with me at all, ghosts awkward

[cursive oyster]

tfw uhh umm maybe you have a point

[tall notch]

Dash gaming

[celest swallow]

mmmmmmmmmweaponagnosticboonstackingggg?????

[dry mirage]

what build should i do for surface? double moonshot staff got me my underworld 32 heat

[timber pawn]

Moros is definitely runner up bad aspect

[tall notch]

It's a 1 boon build though

[ocean quail]

Damn that medea run is insane

[cursive oyster]

double moonshot staff

[sturdy trail]

Whatchu mean. Wait I think you said aphro dash on Eos once

[celest swallow]

smol stack, omg, even more sus /j

[dry mirage]

lol bet

[mystic bison]

Glory is pretty bad for Persephone, luckily the omega special dmg boost makes up for it

Can't wait for the glory rework

[tall notch]

Even if you Aphro dash you'll be sending your ghosts into enemies all around

[sturdy trail]

Waiting for Glory on Persephone is waiting for your IRA to pay out on retirement

[ionic lily]

Its generic omega dmg, that makes it pretty good buff on its own

I ignore the glory and treat it as a nice nuke to use on guardians

[mystic bison]

I don't even want to wait for Glory, it pops off randomly and it messes with my flow

[tall notch]

• for high fear (40+) I'll probably abandon the passion dash way. It's good for low fear because of the high damage but not as safe as other playstyles

[celest swallow]

passion dash medea for the tackle->dash loop life tho 😌

[sturdy trail]

How do you even use Eos Man, post a vid of some Eos speed run for me to study.

I’m about to throw my hands up and run Mel aspect Aphro special out of desperation

[celest swallow]

🗣️ PINK AURA RAAAAAAAAA

[dry mirage]

REAL

[mystic bison]

Eos is excellent, start blasting as soon as you enter a room and never stop

[spare kite]

Eos comfy

[celest swallow]

if you think you have blasted enough, blast more and send the part of your brain that thought that to time out

[sturdy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-liar-mad-angry-gif-15287650

[tall notch]

I'm not much of a speedrunner (haven't even gotten a sub-10 yet) but u can study my 40 fear full run

[spare kite]

I feel like I'm doing dmg but is not disgusting like pan/momus

[bleak night]

Your brain is on dopamine from the busted damage lol

[sturdy trail]

Sure, post it, I’m mostly casual just doing testament runs, then gonna cheese 32 with momus

[zenith bolt]

reply is a short guide i wrote for eos

[ionic lily]

I had trouble initially too, but what I needed to rewire for eos is to not spam dash, otherwise you recall your ghosts too quickly

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/5M91FJmPktw?si=L7ixTs9CGrJdmzhx

[spare kite]

In my defense I've only played momus like 3 times lmao
Is not even max lvl

[turbid hull]

I'll continue it later today

[broken pier]

lol this was insane, I am not 10% of this sweaty of a gamer lol

[tall notch]

I'm seeing the power of Medea but it's not even remotely my playstyle 😭

[mystic bison]

Does Apollo gain not work while blasting with Eos?

[ionic moon]

what's your preference for attack boon on eos?

[celest swallow]

it's like a weird fusion dance of beowulf and fists (the dashing constantly in melee to keep alive in particular) which is oddly enough right up my alley 🤣

[zenith bolt]

any magick/s fails to regenerate your magick when you're using torch attack, because torch attack is considered channeling

[broken pier]

it reminds me a lot of fists from h1, which I liked a lot but having to use both buttons to constantly prime and tackle is beyond my physical abilities

[mystic bison]

Apollo gain kinda sucks then ngl, I'd rather even take Demeter over it

[sturdy trail]

Are yall on MKB? Talking about omega attack and casting, I only got one thing on that hand

[zenith bolt]

i use kbm

[tall notch]

Zeus if I'm playing the passion dash aggro way, Hera otherwise. This run has Demeter because I can't be picky with antler start 5 mins timer and will take what I can get

[spare kite]

I remapped cast for controller (L1)

[tall notch]

Controller gamer here

[celest swallow]

controller, i play most of the time on the deck and played H1 almost entirely with controller even on desktop

[broken pier]

I use controller

[tall notch]

pajama don't read this message

[mystic bison]

I use q for cast and lclick and rclick for attack and special, wasd movement

No problems for casting while attacking for me

[sturdy trail]

Weird question, you know how to fix “snap back” on the sticks? Like if you press up and release, your character faces down cause of the snap back

[celest swallow]

the only remapping i do from default controls is:

• L1 dash
• A interact
• R1 salute

think that's about it

[broken pier]

inc the dead space on your joystick

[mystic bison]

Same control scheme in H1

[celest swallow]

R1 was my reload button in H1 but no need here so it gets salute for fun lol

[sturdy trail]

On steam? Word, Ty I’ll try it

[zenith bolt]

they're not entirely wrong

[tall notch]

Yeah as grimnus said I think it's a deadzone thing

[zenith bolt]

it's just both lucid gain and tranquil gain suck for eos, lol

[broken pier]

just do your flicks and watch how far the snap back goes and then inc the dead range to surpass that and u should be good

[sturdy trail]

Tranquil gain

forget that, I’ll ask chaos for mana regen before that

[broken pier]

I think my favorites are ionic (when u have the card w more) and apollos in the cast circle one

[zenith bolt]

chaos magick regen also doesnt work on torches attack

[civic ocean]

I know Coldshade likes Tranquil on Eos

[sturdy trail]

I’m sorry what

[celest swallow]

hey tranquil gain is great

for never letting it activate and staying at 0 magick when you're not primed down to oblivion

[zenith bolt]

like i said previously, torch attack is considered channeling. you don't regen magick/s

[tall notch]

You can't regen mana while channeling so most regen sucks for Eos

[sturdy trail]

Ohhhhh, lick a biscuit, cmon SG

[celest swallow]

yeah, only gain boons that work while channeling are Hera and Poseidon

[civic ocean]

Regeneration doesn't work when you do anything that spends mana

This includes stuff like Thunder Sprint

[mystic bison]

Should they buff per sec mana gain boons so that they can regen while channeling?

[broken pier]

yeah this is the worst thing about it for me, my passive mana/time effects should still be happening when I'm doing things lol

[civic ocean]

Absolutely this is the only game I've ever played where my mana regen doesn't regen lmao

[mystic bison]

That's one good way to make it so born gain doesn't outshine absolutely everything else

[sturdy trail]

well, can’t sleep, been up for like 20 hours, lets do some Eos runs

[spare kite]

Heph's?

[cursive oyster]

about the what

[sturdy trail]

Yes motha suckah, if they say per second it should be per second, no scammoz

[broken pier]

hera's is born gain right? that's the one while you're standing still?

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1243353680804188191/Hades_II_2024-05-23_16-58-49.mp4?ex=6651d399&is=66508219&hm=6cd4e7a7ffef5ae5399d52e39f3da813bf4b3e0b3154e128b7a1e0415bf045bd& uh this funny stuff

[mystic bison]

I assume there's been feedback on this

[sturdy trail]

Nah, that’s dem. Born gain is the giga chad of mana

[spare kite]

Heph's is the get hit = gain mana one

[celest swallow]

oh yeah prob Heph's too, always forget about fixed gain until i'm actually doing a Heph-focused run

[sturdy trail]

Which I don’t take out of principle will I get hit? You bet. But I don’t want my mana tied to it

[mystic bison]

And if they add this I really hope they don't tie it to a card

[cursive oyster]

tie it to unseen

[spare kite]

Patch notes
Unseen effe- damn it

[tall notch]

Heph's gain is "throw a 42 fear run because vow of forsaking forced you to take it"

[mystic bison]

No that card sucks

[karmic gust]

speaking of cards, the unseen is super expensive for 4 magick/second

[cursive oyster]

exactly

[sturdy trail]

Right? I’ll starve, thank you

[karmic gust]

make it at least 10, for that price it should be competitive with a mana regen boon

[stable sable]

So I have a quick question

[celest swallow]

it's nice when you don't really care about the mana as much since it's a damage taken reduction from that slot, it's only unfortunate if you wind up accidentally going too high mana-wise for some other boon to no longer trigger because you were forced to take some mana jars and haven't been able to prime enough back down (ask me how i know 🥹 )

[tall notch]

Unseen could cost 3 grasp and still be a tough sell for mana-loving builds

[sturdy trail]

Ohhh… I’ve primed 150 mana before, I feel you

[karmic gust]

its really good in the overworld, you can just take a tick of fire damage and regen your entire bar lol

[spare kite]

A thing that bothers me about fluid gain eos is that if you ran out of mana to cast the omega then pick up a bubble, Mel will still not cast the omega attack

[stable sable]

If I chose Zeus special on Descura, will hitting the enemy with a 2nd special simply reapply Blitz to the enemy or will it actually count as damage towards activating Blitz?

[mystic bison]

If they want to make Unseen viable, the regen should be high enough to be a gain boon substitute

[cursive oyster]

counts as damage

[celest swallow]

the dopamine from seeing 0/0 mana when you actually want that 😌

[tall notch]

Yeah you need to let go of the attack button for a moment

[stable sable]

Good, I was almost worried

[sturdy trail]

Fun fact, starting with Born gain at zero mana, you can’t actually channel right off the bat, though you should be able to, have to omega cast to get born gain booted — or otherwise use mana

[civic ocean]

the game checks if you have enough mana before the first attack and won't let you channel if you don't have it

[sturdy trail]

Yes, and they’re very wrong for that

[celest swallow]

mm yeah that's gotta be a bug cos it works as expected for all other mana-using things

[sturdy trail]

yeah, buggy bug

[stable sable]

I GOT APOLLO ZEUS DUO ON MY 3RD BOON HAHAHA

[civic ocean]

make sure you have enough mana haha

[sturdy trail]

Sending 1k armored bags your way

[bleak night]

No more Goldwraths pls dear god

[stable sable]

I guess it's a cast build now instead

[bleak night]

I hate dealing with them

[sturdy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/lasers-concert-lights-gif-5102526

[zenith bolt]

EM chronos is gonna summon goldwrath at 25%, you just know it

[celest swallow]

i wish to delete goldwraths

[civic ocean]

Playing mel torches against goldwrath is actually the worst thing ever the COINS

[bleak night]

Just pink aura it

[civic ocean]

The coins get inside the aura

you have to like juuuuust catch it at the edge

[stable sable]

I CAN'T USE THE DUO CUZ TOO MUCH MANA IS PRIMED

[sturdy trail]

What’s this pink aura stuff, weakened curse?

[civic ocean]

told u

[sturdy trail]

Got ‘em boyz

[stable sable]

BRB going through the 5 stages of grief real quick

[civic ocean]

Aph+Apo makes your omega special make like 9 hitboxes sometimes and they're all pink

[celest swallow]

PINK AURA MENTIONED WEEWOO WEEWOO WEEWOO

[bleak night]

Did someone say Pink Aura

[spare kite]

Piiiiink

[sturdy trail]

I took wish to partake in pink aura but I don’t know what it is; the duo?

[bleak night]

Join the cult of Aphrodite's Pink Balls of Love https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6652054e&is=6650b3ce&hm=44e8c5d8037f19d071817ec289eae762acb47af3a48478f4c505232fb658e257&

[celest swallow]

apollo attack to build towards legendary, aphro special, get heartthrob and apollo/aphro duo is the base

on mel torch

[pastel elm]

pink aura is the apo aph duo, maybe also the apo legend to further expedite mana usage

[summer seal]

Well that's sure something

[sturdy trail]

Alright, here I go with Eos pink aura run

[celest swallow]

pink aura is so girlypop and i love it

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242596268979519588/Hades_II_2024-05-21_14-53-13.mp4?ex=6651b534&is=665063b4&hm=f76865e7b7b237f05fb4a1f2652dec6d1bdb66b712fe5efc21dc681099906941& torch gud

[zenith bolt]

it really is a shame that apollo is in this game and we have no artemis/apollo duo

[spare kite]

Embrace the magical girl in you

[celest swallow]

pink aura is for when Mel wants to just vibe to some Chappell Roan while spinning like a ballerina for a change

[summer seal]

Do you actually hit enemies with attacks or just spam mana burners and heart throb the world to death?

[pastel elm]

yea ive really turned around my opinion on torches

[spare kite]

Weed killer + apollo's?

[tired fulcrum]

Ye

[celest swallow]

attack wouldn't be pink so idk, do you really think that's worth it?

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1242602576373874758/image0.jpg?ex=6651bb14&is=66506994&hm=90388f0528b44ffcec4d4102559e3078c5d369b4ae77b456f7632ce8fd7220f1& hearthrob spam does just a wee bit of damage

[summer seal]

[bleak night]

The hearthrob count

[spare kite]

Born gain!

[celest swallow]

ʙᴏʀɴ ɢᴀɪɴ!

[bleak night]

what's the icon for Born Gain

[celest swallow]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/c/c5/Born_Gain.png/revision/latest?cb=20240519002227

[bleak night]

ty

[stable sable]

Yall hear me out on this

Apollo Zeus Duo with Keen Intuition

I don't care about room clear, you're gonna nuke all bosses with this

[civic ocean]

Something I don't actually know - does keen intuition care about primed mana

[stable sable]

Don't think so

[civic ocean]

does it activate every time you use born gain

[bleak night]

yeah

[stable sable]

Since your mana bar will say 60/70 for example without counting the primed mana

Let me cook (these bosses)

[mystic bison]

For Hades and Dead Cells players, I would like to hear your thoughts on this - I mostly agree with this video

Everything he says mostly applies to Hades 2 as well https://youtu.be/Hni6p2_IpGc?si=2h6qpTkO0kDsNfUG

[stable sable]

Yes Pseychie is right

The difficulty in Hades isn't as well scaled as I dead cells

[mystic bison]

It makes the game more tedious imo as opposed to 5BC which is actually really fun

[stable sable]

Dead cells adds new enemies for example to get used to, Hades for the most part just beefs up existing enemies via stats or numbers or the like

[ocean quail]

Guys can Blitz and Blast crit?

[mystic bison]

Yep, the worst type of difficulty

This is why I think Dead Cells is the best roguelike ever

[stable sable]

Also quite frankly dead cells rewards you properly for higher difficulty

You get to see entirely new content, whereas hades just uses difficulty for weapon upgrades

[sturdy trail]

lol I killed Hecate THE LITERAL SECOND, my vow was about to trigger https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1243374962039849041/1243603869770973273/image.png?ex=665213db&is=6650c25b&hm=4ac97f8d77ad0fd75c1e5ff6c525c61b60aa630c363f1ffbab511c88b6005fbc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1369&height=676

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243374962039849041/1243603984279797880/image.png?ex=665213f6&is=6650c276&hm=3bc1a983bc7ef96993d975726329e234c79918f2707909fc298081068553cccf&

[tired fulcrum]

Well tbh i think the devs want to make heat/vows not mandatory to see the whole game

[delicate spindle]

https://ibb.co/YZL0JxL

[tired fulcrum]

Though tbh they could also just do an em4 type thing

[mystic bison]

In general Hades seems to be designed for 10-20 heat at most, you don't even need heat system at all to unlock most of the content

Whereas Dead Cells is designed from the get go to progressively scale up in difficulty, you can't even finish the story if you don't complete 5BC which is the hardest mode in the game

[civic ocean]

Yeah the point of Dead Cells is the difficulty, Hades is first and foremost a narrative experience

[broken pier]

I highkey wish I could disable hexes entirely lol

[mystic bison]

Yep, which is why I love both Hades but for me DC is the better roguelike

[calm arch]

H1 has benefits package and extreme meaures

[civic ocean]

What makes Hades remarkable is the amount of writing they crammed into a roguelike game, that before it was thought to be completely impossible.

[celest swallow]

yeah, it's the same optional difficulty system they've basically been iterating on since Bastion, it's never been the primary focus it just sticks out a bit more in Hades cos yknow, more stuff tied to increasing it, it's a roguelike, etc.

[mystic bison]

Those are very small changes in comparison to what Dead Cells does

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh most of bp modifiers are random stat increases

[spare kite]

BP is more like 5bc malaise no? (Buffs wise speaking)

[tired fulcrum]

Speeder swordsmen on fo2

[brazen ore]

Yeah, dead cells scales differently and more interestingly because you are meant to use it, in Hades heat is necessary to unlock everything but you don't need it if you're playing for story. Dead cells u do

[mystic bison]

Game will 90% be the same in terms of biome and enemy variety in both 0 and 32 heat

[brazen ore]

It doesn't even make sense to compare them imo, it'd be like saying the fishing game in Hades is lacking compared to Stardew Valley. Like yea they both have those mechanics but they use them in such completely different ways

[mystic bison]

Hades and DC are still the gold standard for roguelikes in any case

[bleak night]

All I'm reading here is I should play Dead Cells

[civic ocean]

It's a bit like saying chipotle is spicier than taco bell

[broken pier]

I need Bass Pro Fishing wiimote controls in my roguelite plz and thx

[ionic lily]

I think they're both very different design philosophy in terms of difficulty modifiers

[bleak night]

Add Slay the Spire to that as well

[civic ocean]

I mean Spire is THE roguelike yeah

[ionic lily]

Saying one is better than the other doesn't really make sense to me when they're intended to fulfill different purposes

[spare kite]

Tbh I didn't like DC as much because I was forced into those modifiers a bit lol (shoutout to custom mode)

[broken pier]

Slay the Spire came in my recommended for playing diablo 2 and hades, is it good?

[tall notch]

Pink aura is definitely more of a Mel aspect build because of how much it uses the omega special but you can definitely use heartthrobs with some other stuff

[ionic lily]

Very good

[brazen ore]

you definitely should, it is also a very good game

[mystic bison]

This comparison is only for the difficulty system, Hades 1 and 2 are still excellent games

[bleak night]

Roguelike cardgame. I personally enjoy it a ton.

[broken pier]

so it doesn't play like an arpg?

[mystic bison]

I haven't played Spire yet though

[civic ocean]

It's a roguelike deckbuilder

[stable sable]

Sadly I am unable to post Screenshots in this channel but I need to let you all know that I just dealt a quarter of the Siren health Bar with a single cast

[broken pier]

lame

[bleak night]

Buy it on Steam so you can go into the Steamworkshop and see all the fanmade mods adding characters from their fave franchises

[ionic lily]

Yes, I'm referring solely to the comparison for the difficulty scaling options

[bleak night]

Nope, but it'll definitely still tickle your brain and get you excited for a new run

[broken pier]

I wonder how it compares to like, drafting a deck in mtg

[bleak night]

What makes STS great is how customizable it is even without mods. Edit Elite spawnrates, copy paste run seeds, etc.

[tall notch]

I've been trying to progress through dead cells blind and got hard stuck at 3bc, I'm either missing something obvious or having a major case of skill issue lol

[frosty ruin]

It’s really funny that no one has mentioned a game that actually gets close to what rogue was. The genre has really evolved and none of the games mentioned are really all that similar to the predecessors. The games that stick closer to that model all tend to be way harder

[bleak night]

Give it a watch if you can help it. Gameplay is everywhere since it's really popular

[brazen ore]

people get that, we're just saying that the difficulty system serves a very different function in each game, so comparing the difficulty systems doesn't make the most sense

[bleak night]

Oh, hold on. You don't really draft a deck per se

[broken pier]

I still feel like all these room clear rogue games are just new shiny iterations of MadTV lol

[ionic lily]

Slay the Spire was so popular, it basically kickstarted the roguelike deckbuilder subgenre

[mystic bison]

Since the game offers that as an option I think it's still fair to compare and contrast them, the design approach for the difficulty is obviously different in both games, in that Hades isn't really "intended" to be played on very high heat

[bleak night]

You start with basic cards, and as you win fights, you can take more along, pay to remove cards from your deck, etc

[broken pier]

even though its not a bullet hell game lol

[bleak night]

StS still on top though

[brazen ore]

I do kinda go crazy for vampire survivors tbh

[frosty ruin]

Pretty much nothing has been able to be all that close to StS’s throne

[broken pier]

best 3$ I've ever spent lol

[celest swallow]

bullet heavens, my beloved

[ionic lily]

Oh definitely, I played a lot of the the games inspired by StS, and I think the only one that came close to it was Monster Train for me

[frosty ruin]

Slay the Spire 2 gonna be real good. Tho I want Watcher back

[bleak night]

If you get bored of the 4 characters in StS, you can look at mods and just download one of like 100s of characters with entire decks made for them. The ones on top of the rating sort system are well balanced, too

[bleak night]

"StS 2"
Huh?

[frosty ruin]

You didn’t see the announcement?

[civic ocean]

Yeah there's a 2 coming out

[bleak night]

... I need to see this

[timber pawn]

I narrowed my weapon pool in the options which helped

[ionic lily]

Also a deepcut, but I also really enjoyed Dream Quest which actually came out way before StS

[split igloo]

Slay the spire and dead cells are both amazing games. Also enter the gungeon

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah I've seen it already. Must've forgotten it a bit

[tall notch]

Isn't the custom mode stuff cheating

[ionic moon]

StS and Hades sequels... surely Hollow Knight is just around the corner, right?

[tall notch]

I didn't touch it for that reason

[timber pawn]

Not that particular piece. It just makes the rng more bareable. You can still get to the next boss cell with that on

[tall notch]

Does it disable achievements?

[timber pawn]

No it doesnt

[brazen ore]

🤡

Me when i am waiting for silksong

[tall notch]

Thank you for letting me know about that, I'll give DC another go

[timber pawn]

🫡

[tall notch]

Do you think I should just do a fresh save file if I've had a bit of a break from it?

[bleak night]

Kinda perfect that EA for StS2 is next year so it doesn't clash with Hades II

[split igloo]

Silk song is the Mandela effect irl. None of us will ever see it

[timber pawn]

Building back up the muscle memory might not be bad, but unlocking everything again would be a pain. Maybe just start w/ 0 cells

[tall notch]

Good idea

[tired fulcrum]

silksong isnt real

[brazen ore]

Silksong is a beautiful dream we once shared

[tired fulcrum]

Also i keep forgetting to finish hollowknight

[mystic bison]

I think it's fair to experience these difficulty spikes, when I would progress on higher and higher bc's I would often get stuck and keep dying and dying in the early biomes until it clicks and I beat the run.

Also protip - you can enable assist mode which will allow you to enable multiple deaths - since DC is designed with a no hit philosophy in mind and you can get killed very easily and quickly - I think it's extremely useful enabling it to learn biomes, enemy and boss patterns in real time and not go through a gruelling trial and error process

[ionic moon]

but hades 1.0 release

[brazen ore]

What's the cracked build for momus staff again?

[ionic moon]

i wasn't around for H1 early access, how much did it change from EA to first full release?

[tall notch]

Also uh dead cells gamers, is controller or m+k gonna be the way to go? I've been doing a funny setup where arrow keys are my movement, z x are weapons and a s are skills but idk if that's holding me back over just getting my controller out

[mystic bison]

I play on MKB with the default controls

[civic ocean]

Left joycon + mouse

[timber pawn]

Controller tbh, you want the precise movement imo

[bleak night]

True, but the brunt of the changes should have been added by then, so a lot less to test for feedback and more of gameplay with intent to continue the story

[tall notch]

I changed the defaults because I didn't like the idea of holding the mouse when I'm not actually aiming with it

[blissful wren]

poseiden special

[tired fulcrum]

The gist for momus is double moonshot > shimmering moonshot hammer + poseidon special + slip + crashing wave into his legendary + something from another god to proc a second curse for origination

[tall notch]

And what are your controller keybindings? Just the defaults?

[timber pawn]

From memory I didn't change anything. I last played in like 2020 though lol

[brazen ore]

Bet. I think I'm gonna try and make it

[split igloo]

Controller is clear for dead cells, I always found m+k for these sort of games very annoying

[merry flint]

Get double moonshot go for poseidon legendary and get an easy to apply curse for origination (demeter on cast best)

[mystic bison]

DC gamers always take cursed chest!

[brazen ore]

I remembered poseidon special but wasn't sure if there was other stuff. Thanks guys

[broken pier]

Is there any benefit to feeding the animals more treats?

[timber pawn]

Ya you can upgrade them with treats

[split igloo]

Honestly pets are kinda meh now that they changed the way gathering works

They need to rework that a smidge I feel

[broken pier]

Where do you track what they do, its not in the book or when I talk to them

[civic ocean]

Its left bar expanded

They're listed like a boon

[bleak night]

Wondering what the other two pets will be

[civic ocean]

Max mana or mana regen would be game changing

[bleak night]

I'd like a mole

To act as the shovel, that is

[civic ocean]

I think we know there's a bird in the game files or smth right

[bleak night]

Yeah I think? Probs don't talk about it here tho

[ionic moon]

witch + moon theme = owl?

[bleak night]

Might need something that can act as a shovel

[brazen ore]

I like that they skip the mini game

[iron flame]

which fears would you guys equip for a 32 fear run. I want to try to beat em using the heal staff x demeter,posedian, or aphro

[split igloo]

Heal staff take everything you like that thing is busted

[broken pier]

yeah but the frog is only giving me +10 max life, I gave it another cookie and it didn't go up to 20 or anything

[timber pawn]

Dog for sure. There was the dog/polecat around for like 5 runs

[tired fulcrum]

Momus aint the heal staff, its the machine gun staff

[timber pawn]

It does. The first cookie is to create the bond. Second cookie and beyond is upgrades that you choose

[stable sable]

Yeah no I still hate the chronos fight with a burning passion

[tall notch]

@zenith bolt I think we might just have to peace out the second torches are mentioned in the main channel 😭

[zenith bolt]

it's true

[timber pawn]

What happened

[zenith bolt]

i cant keep doing this with #h2-discussion it's insane

[stable sable]

I had one life left and for got trapped in a random time stop bubble during the instant kill

[tall notch]

"torches are bad because they are bad when you disable arcana and can't target boons"

[broken pier]

I've given it two cookies total now

[spare kite]

I have the main channel mutted lmao

[broken pier]

one to link and have as a pet, one extra

[brazen ore]

For a dedicated torch hater such as myself, I simply ignore your logical and well presented evidence to the contrary

[zenith bolt]

i cant believe "you cant do builds in h2 bc vow of abandon" was the argument 😭

[timber pawn]

Huh. Alrighty.

[stable sable]

Thank you game I love the fact that chronos can just randomly spawn the goddamn hourglass enemies to utterly bend me over backward and shaft me during his instant kill

[timber pawn]

Give it another, an interface should show up. You have options to improve gathering, improve hp given, or improve frog jump damage

[tired fulcrum]

When half the time it makes building easier

[stable sable]

Very funny game very good design I love being instant killed

[young minnow]

I do not like blitz.

[zenith bolt]

the tempus spawns arent random. they come from the 12 numbered circles around the arena after chronos drops to 50% hp, on a delay. they spawn clockwise from the top

[bleak night]

Oh, right. Gang~

[young minnow]

Blitz is what Doom would be if Doom sucked.

[broken pier]

Ah, yeah okay, I went back to the cauldron to make another cookie and when I came back to training grounds he's yellow now instead of green and has +20

[stable sable]

Sure they aren't entirely random but it still feels cheap and like bs

[blissful wren]

nah they said abandon not forsaking

[broken pier]

what's max on him?

[timber pawn]

40 hp total added

[tired fulcrum]

Wait is abandon is no arcana one

[zenith bolt]

abandon is no arcana

[blissful wren]

yep

[spare kite]

They are from hecate so I doubt it

[stable sable]

And also simply put I just honestly dislike the fact that they added minion spawns to a final boss fights

[tired fulcrum]

Who runs that

[zenith bolt]

that's what im sayin 😭

[timber pawn]

Idk what animal can't be bribed with magical cookies yknow? Can you imagine Hecates voice lines when you bring her own dog with you

[stable sable]

A final boss fight should be you against the villain, face to face, man to man

[zenith bolt]

am i a menace if i say i like it when final bosses have minions

[celest swallow]

why did i just go and read that, i could've preserved my sanity today

[stable sable]

Yes

[spare kite]

I wouldn't mind the hourglasses if it wasn't 12 of them (>aggressively rerolls for 50% summons at dad)

[zenith bolt]

demi-fiend in smtv... my favorite example of minions

[stable sable]

Anyways nah I can't deal with chronos bs anymore

[tall notch]

I think it is very deliberate design that most boss fights in the game have some form of aoe

[tired fulcrum]

Just make the adds not hourglasses

[spare kite]

But also the hourglasses projectile suck

[zenith bolt]

the monkey's paw curls a finger. elite wretched thugs it is

[stable sable]

Sure gimme

At least they can't freeze me during the IK

[brazen ore]

even OG Redacted had minions

[tall notch]

Moneybags firing at you when you are trying to hide in the safe zone

[spare kite]

Make them freeze during instant kills and I'd tolerate them actually

[tired fulcrum]

Better than hourglasses dying and putting timebubbles everywhere

[stable sable]

That doesn't make it better design

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh only first phase tho

[zenith bolt]

EM chronos is gonna summon a tartarus miniboss at phase 1 25%, i just know it

[tired fulcrum]

Em4 spawns tho

[celest swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[spare kite]

Em4 summons

[brazen ore]

I'm not saying it's better I'm just saying it's not like a thing that was "added" to this one that wasn't there in the others

[zenith bolt]

enjoy needing to blitz chronos down the last quarter or get lasered by goldwrath

[tall notch]

Or become @tired fulcrum and learn to iframe the instant kill attack

[stable sable]

Still, they didn't need to give every boss minions

[zenith bolt]

i kinda did that in my 32 fear chronos axe run i think

[stable sable]

Like simply put minion spawns during a boss fight usually just feels like cheap design

[tired fulcrum]

dont ask me to iframe that while actually fighting

[brazen ore]

I like having to deal with aoe personally, it's annoying but it does keep a check on my ludicrous abilities

I hate it but I enjoy hating it

[stable sable]

AOE is different from minions

[celest swallow]

EM4 Chronos has 1 goldwrath in P1 and then 2 in P2, then 3 in a new P3 because none of us deserve happiness or to see heaven

[stable sable]

Nonetheless, I digress, fudge Chronos

[brazen ore]

minions are moving aoe, change my mind

[zenith bolt]

phase 3 chronos is gonna be perma time slow

[tall notch]

I can do it sometimes but I'm nowhere near consistent

[zenith bolt]

"Your time is up!"

[spare kite]

I iframed it on vibes lmao

[timber pawn]

I do it by accident with the final dash trying to get to the spot sometimes lol

[split igloo]

Phase 3 chronos is going to be crypt of the necromancer style where you have to move and attack to the beat of a ticking clock or he breaks you in half

[tall notch]

Maybe there is gonna be some rhythm based way of doing it by counting down dashes

[brazen ore]

that'd honestly be kinda sick

[tired fulcrum]

With swift runner on the timing is so tight

[tall notch]

I'm already going rhythm game on dodging his triple slash from up close

[split igloo]

I started typing it as a joke and by the end I was convinced that supergiant need me on the team

[zenith bolt]

maybe time it based on the bm bm bm bm bm sound when he does it?

[timber pawn]

If you watch unanas video you can probably find audio cues to look for

It's always like 5 or 6 ticks or whatever before he hits it

[tall notch]

From what he said it's something about dashing when he picks his scythe back up

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1242997468334133358/Screenshot_20240522_171507_Discord.jpg?ex=6651d95a&is=665087da&hm=6e3a1565d7a0299d46524e206ce6505e139a2913d52bb149a3106466aaebf864& these are the tells

But if you dodge immediately on seeing them its too early

[brazen ore]

I am still baby and still godawful at dodging the stupid spinning scythe. I see it and panic dash directly into it

[split igloo]

I do think they need to work on visual clarity during chronos though. If you're using a particularly colourful build on top of him dropping the trails after attacks the screen becomes really really grim to pay attention to

[brazen ore]

when half the time if I just stood still it'd miss me

[zenith bolt]

i believe you can hug+circle chronos clockwise and that'll avoid boomerang

bc it comes from his left

[ionic moon]

it's so hard seeing boss tells with a solar ring build

[brazen ore]

yeah I can't IMAGINE being tritanopic colorblind during it

[timber pawn]

Too close you get nailed on the start up sometimes. There's a bit of spacing required I feel

[split igloo]

Charon builds and you just have to out DPS him tbh. You can't see a thing

[spare kite]

Solar ring is the soup that blinds you for day

[zenith bolt]

i need a "reduced visual effects" mode for some things (apollo cast for example)

[tall notch]

If you're willing to crutch on a boon get reduced projectile speed from hermes

[split igloo]

I personally claim frinos should be able to eat the scythe

[zenith bolt]

hermes has boons other than greater evasion?

[brazen ore]

I'm willing to crutch all day long

[split igloo]

And that this should disarm chronos for the remainder of the fight 💅

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/EIw_nrtPowY?si=KoHnpbmyxCZWB8HR&t=63 this scythe (epic hermes) is a lot more dodgeable

And yes this is +40% speed

[brazen ore]

Oh nice

[spare kite]

Lmfao that's so slow

[brazen ore]

Hermes wyd bb come over here

[civic ocean]

You start to intinctively hug Chronos' front right side because the boomerang comes out left always IIRV

[tall notch]

Hermes also has the upside of trivailising Hecate

[iron flame]

hera's boon to refil magik feels really bad compared to other gods especially like hephastus who makes you take less damage and also pretty much fills up your bar all the way. or am i just underestimating heras boon

[split igloo]

Hecate trivializes Hecate

[zenith bolt]

yeah thats p much what i said

[brazen ore]

I can trivialize hecate by myself

[civic ocean]

Nothing truly trivializes Hecate if ur on a timer

[split igloo]

It's literally the best Regen in the game

[tall notch]

You are sleeping on it, it's the strongest regen and not even close

[civic ocean]

WE ARE THREE

[zenith bolt]

triple divide flames does emotional damage

[split igloo]

Hera Regen is objectively the best mana Regen in the game by a mile and a half

[tall notch]

+40% speed Hecate is genuinely scary, getting sheeped when she's doing total eclipse is gonna cost you a DD unless you iframe every hit

[civic ocean]

Had a Zeus cast build that got to Hecate in 4 minutes and it took 2:45 to beat her because she triple divided me eight times

[bleak night]

[zenith bolt]

just become goated at sheeping

[split igloo]

This I will concede but say hello to frinos

[nova dune]

So, it turns out Cronos can use his insta kill attack while standing on top of the safe zone It's possible i could have squeezed in, but i panicked really hard and got killed

[brazen ore]

Math it out- say u have 100 mana and u have to prime it for 8. You have 100 + 92 + 86 + 78..... etc mana for every room with no delays. You'll never run out

[tall notch]

That sheep is literally not fast enough to get out of sped up total eclipse

[zenith bolt]

just iframe trollface (or use froggy friendo)

[civic ocean]

Triple divide is also just the worst

[iron flame]

true but like hephastus you get like 80 mana back everytime you get hit and increases your defense, i also feel like apollo, demeter, and aphro recharge at a very fast rate too without any downside

[mystic bison]

You can squeeze in but it's kinda bs that he does that true

[bleak night]

It's important to note that the priming Born Gain does to your mana bar disappears once you leave the location

[tall notch]

I can frog the polymorph somewhat consistently by now but it's still a deceptively challenging fight at high fear

[iron flame]

wait it doesnt prime it for the rest of the run?

[brazen ore]

Hera has zero downside bc u will never run out and insta refills and you don't have to sacrifice health to do it. It's better in every way

[tall notch]

Nope only that room, this is why she's so good

[split igloo]

It's per encounter comrade it's literally free mana

[zenith bolt]

that one bell curve meme where it's like
low iq: "hecate is the hardest fight in the game"
mid iq: "chronos is the hardest fight in the game"
high iq: "hecate is the hardest fight in the game"

[civic ocean]

They don't regen any mana when you're spending mana, and they will never regenerate anywhere close to the mana that Born Gain will.

The only reason not to take Born Gain is if Vow of Arrogance is priming your whole bar it's kinda hard

[tired fulcrum]

@iron flame https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242597020028637233/Hades_II_2024-05-21_14-54-36.mp4?ex=6651b5e7&is=66506467&hm=ddd6db07eac0cbaf8059a5b5dac8bfaa53c8650aff5c2f352fd3ce94de97f273& watch my mana expenditure and tell me its bad lol

[mystic bison]

It's very annoying on 40 speed, not only do you have to dodge but she also spawns adds and throws other projectiles at you at the same time

[civic ocean]

Idk bout you but phase 2 I always keep an eye on Frinos for sure

[mystic bison]

I dodge it 80% of the time I'd say and no Frinos either cause I need bones from fish

[tall notch]

I tend to position around Frinos but with antler I am not playing him so

[iron flame]

ohhh okay my bad. i thought she primed 8- 10 magik every time and it lasted throughout the run. so i was like if i take this early imma be all primed by the time i get to eris or chronos.

[mystic bison]

So true

[bleak night]

Yeah, it doesn't. Born Gain is honestly unlimited mana, if unlimited meant you had enough to last the entire room's battles. Watch my mana bar on Hera's regen. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239946248019251251/Ranged_Axe_is_fun.mp4?ex=6644c56e&is=664373ee&hm=90d7a2144452c0948f2cd93202eb9bb2bb1ca22581abf577cdd2aedfd7695a3f&

[zenith bolt]

weed killer apollo eos.... 35 magick per omega attack.... it's so beautiful.....

[tired fulcrum]

when i hide behind frinos but at the wrong angle so it slips 2 inches past him

[civic ocean]

Without Frinos you just pray for no eclipse and run into it immediately right

[split igloo]

Imo born again is one of the core boons in pretty much every mana build in the game

[timber pawn]

You can still dodge through, it's just tighter

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M91FJmPktw&t=411s this is what eclipse +40% hecate without frinos looks like lol

[nova dune]

Are you guys really struggling with high Fear Hecate ? Can i get some more details on that ? i thought it was fine, was mostly having trouble with the worms and seahorses

[tall notch]

Timestamped Hecate fight

[civic ocean]

It's sooooo bad if you whiff too

[zenith bolt]

you can tell what the phase change attack is gonna be based on what she uses the first time. thus, you can afford to be careless if it's lunar ray or smth or clutch up if it's total eclipse

[timber pawn]

Ya I mean if you're on a 5 min timer you're probably screwed, ask me how I know lol

[mystic bison]

If she didn't attack at the same time you are dodging the polymorph, it would be the easiest thing ever 40 speed or no

[tall notch]

Antler build can't run the frog and sped up total eclipse is nasty

[zenith bolt]

antler scary

[timber pawn]

The timing is such I usually just eat a hit or two while dodging sheep, better than being sheepes

[mystic bison]

At that point itd be better if you become a sheep since the beginning

[split igloo]

40% speed uh oh is the hardest encounter in the game change my mind

[merry flint]

i found this out myself, much to my detriment

[zenith bolt]

clearly the play is to give up on run if you see total eclipse to then go frinos (or just dodge poly ig)

[tall notch]

Yeah I am literally running into her to become a sheep asap in antler runs

[civic ocean]

Most of us are running 7 or 5 minute timers and so Hecate can be an extremely variable time loss depending on how often she splits into 3 or where Frinos is positioned when she uses the sheep curse at 40% speed

[nova dune]

Hmm, guess i got lucky, didnt have to deal with 40% speed total eclipse yet

[tall notch]

@nova dune take a look at the vid to see what it looks like, really fun experience

[split igloo]

Who's everyone's hardest mini boss so far?

[mystic bison]

Very true, I'd rather lose hp than my pride and honor!

[bleak night]

I barely see Lunar Ray Hecate btw

[nova dune]

Oh, ok, i can see that now, i only played up to 32 fear and i decided having no time limit was ideal for me

[zenith bolt]

but also its worth considering total eclipse isnt always the case

[tired fulcrum]

Get it stuck in your cast then uh... try to guess what tf its gunna do cuz i cant tell

[timber pawn]

At work so I don't have the clip but lunar ray is easily the worst version, sometimes it snaps back to start position, the clip I had also had an extra 4 laser spawn briefly lol, idk if it had collision

[zenith bolt]

the triple returning shots go from free as hell to terrifying on boosted speed imo

[bleak night]

I'd be lucky if I fought it

[civic ocean]

I think at 40% its total eclipse then lunar ray then tiny balls

[bleak night]

I have seen Lunar Ray Hecate like once or twice in 180 runs

[tall notch]

The tree thing in Erebus that shoots projectiles at you get scary at 40% speed too if you can't nuke it

If my build lowrolls before first elite I'm usually a DD down lol

[mystic bison]

Lose your dd speedrun any%

[civic ocean]

It always lasts like 1 second longer than I think it does

[tired fulcrum]

Which was total eclipse? The 100 waves she throws at you

[timber pawn]

The water snake miniboss on aspect of medea lmao

[zenith bolt]

she has like 6 different attacks she can do on phase change

• total eclipse (large and slow)
• total eclipse (small and fast)
• lunar ray
• small shots
• crossed flames
• i forget

[tall notch]

big circles targetted at you

[civic ocean]

Beeg circle

[nova dune]

Big shots

[split igloo]

I actually do hate the water snake

[tired fulcrum]

Oh

[tall notch]

Oh yeah water snake on Medea is nasty too

[zenith bolt]

deep serpent is worth dodging on medea if you can

[tired fulcrum]

same

[zenith bolt]

root-stalker

[nova dune]

Water snake is a cakewalk on ranged builds, but straight nightmare on anything that needs to get close to her

[mystic bison]

I hate the serpent in general tbh I'd rather have Uh Oh every time

[iron flame]

when hermes upgrades attack and special speed does that also affect your charge rate for omega attack and special? or just base attack and special

[tall notch]

In biome 1 rootstalker is scary if you don't oneshot, biome 2 everything except Medea snake is kinda free, biome 3 they're both free and biome 4 elite is completely skippable

[bleak night]

Charge rate reduction is its own thing sadly

[celest swallow]

the chill that runs down my spine when the only door presented to me on a manaless medea run in oceanus has a skull on it

[civic ocean]

Its gotta be like 90% serpent 10% uh oh too

[night gazelle]

When you're at 0/0 mana, do you have Huntress?

[iron flame]

ah okay that makes sense, i am always curious cause i usually play staff or axe and do heavy omega builds and wanted to know if those hermes boons were worth grabing.

[bleak night]

Nope

[celest swallow]

never mind i can't read or brain

[tall notch]

From testing, 0/0 is 100% mana

[mystic bison]

I hate the blob that creates darkness in biome 1, still not used to it on 40 speed and usually I eat a hit

Rootstalker is free for me tho

[tall notch]

(even though math tells me you can't just calculate it like that, don't divide by 0 kids)

[civic ocean]

Is that fo sho? Did we check da files?

[timber pawn]

That's so rude Wtf. So if you prime it all... How dare they

[celest swallow]

they really gotta learn that 0/0 isn't 100% cos division by zero 😭

[tired fulcrum]

It always just alternates between the slam and the swipe so after it slams just wait a little bit for it to attack then dodge through

[tall notch]

I kinda want to look into the code to see how they handled that special case because attempting division by 0 would raise an exception

[night gazelle]

The mana...does not exist 🤔 🤔

[bleak night]

Don't really need to, Chaos has boons for charge time reduction and they + hammers are the only ones that reduce the charging time. I've done runs without and tried Hermes speed boons and they don't affect chargetime

[mystic bison]

Yeah I know the strat I'm just not used to the timing yet on 40 speed

[civic ocean]

My brain be lying

I guess they do still help a lot with Charon because the anim gets shorter

[nova dune]

What's you guys opinion on Hermes ? i feel like he is way lower priority than h1 Hermes

[civic ocean]

Higher prio imo

[zenith bolt]

my miniboss difficulty ranking (from most to least)

1. goldwrath
2. satyr champion
3. deep serpent
4. charybdis
5. phantom
6. root-stalker
7. verminancer
8. queen lamia
9. uh-oh
10. shadow-spiller

[tired fulcrum]

No more rush delivery

[civic ocean]

Nitro Sprint is crazy

Greater eva also v v good

[mystic bison]

Man we need one of those tierlists but for Hades 2 minibosses

[zenith bolt]

my guess is it's not dividing and checking for 100%, but rather comparing your max mana to your current mana

[night gazelle]

So Goldwrath specifically because it does a really odd bit of movement right as it starts its laser blast

[zenith bolt]

thus, 0 = 0, you're at full mana

[night gazelle]

This is how I'd probably imagine implementing it 🙂

[civic ocean]

It's kinda hard to judge goldwrath and satyr for me at 32 because I only fight them if I have a ton of time left

And usually thats because I h8gh rolled the build so they get flattened

[tall notch]

Hermes is nerfed but justifiably so. He's still good

[merry flint]

avoids floating point issues too

[zenith bolt]

satyr is brutal but goldwrath can ruin my day so i put it higher

[split igloo]

Charybdis way too high but otherwise respectable

[merry flint]

different kernels could throw up problems that way

[civic ocean]

For me hardest is my friend the vampire with the billion dmg vacuum wave

[zenith bolt]

phantom

[tall notch]

That actually sounds pretty reasonable

[mystic bison]

Satyr champion is the one in ephyra? And who is phantom? The vampire in fields?

[tired fulcrum]

The vacuum is very readable imo

[zenith bolt]

phantom is big succ in fields

[nova dune]

Phantom by itself isnt so bad, but all the adds on the arena can be quite annoying

[brazen ore]

I love vampires so I kinda adore him just in general

[civic ocean]

Phantom is tough because it breaks through casts way more than anything in the game other than the skulls and hecate I feel

[zenith bolt]

btw everything from 6. and up is like "i take it seriously" material and all pretty close in my head

[tall notch]

I can imagine Charon gamers hating the Phantom

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1243619834844020978/image.png?ex=665222b9&is=6650d139&hm=afb12c2fe9f95e22a090a53d70289c7162ed1be0367ac7c32fc29454a0eb024f&

[civic ocean]

Only spiller and uh oh are free to me atm

[vital jackal]

The third boon I got is legendary

[zenith bolt]

verminancer is just elite satyr vierophant but more hp

[steel sequoia]

my dodging in the keyboard is so bad, but i'm doing pretty good ngl https://postimg.cc/RJxbVZ1P

[civic ocean]

I think he's close to unbeatable with the charon bomb if you don't have sudden cleaver or freeze

[vital jackal]

And I didn't even aim for it

[tired fulcrum]

80 dps huge

[nova dune]

Once i get a cast on Uh Oh he kind doesnt do anything to me

[civic ocean]

Saddest legendary in the game

[tall notch]

Keyboard dodging is harder. Your movements are simply limited

[nova dune]

was even wondering if he was bugged

[zenith bolt]

shocking loss:

[civic ocean]

Shocking loss is mathematically very good right

[steel sequoia]

yeah, i feel like you lose the grip when u need to cancel animations

[tall notch]

Can shocking loss snipe Chronos hourglasses?

[brazen ore]

I love uh oh, I like slowing time and catching him midair as he leaps

[spare kite]

Yeah

[blissful wren]

where do you get enough rocks to use course grit, does demeter give them?

[zenith bolt]

demeter has earth, and so does heph and hera

[timber pawn]

Phantom is brutal for me on 40%. Just finally getting the hang of it

[split igloo]

Demeter Hestia heph

[steel sequoia]

idk, i get some demeter stuff and hestia

[zenith bolt]

hestia doesn't have earth

[civic ocean]

Doesn't shocking loss work out to more or less every encounter from there on out has 7% less hp

[brazen ore]

Chaos can also sometimes give u elements

[spare kite]

It only worked once when I had it sadly

[tall notch]

Demeter, Hera, Heph, Hermes, Aremis (I think), Chaos, Narcissus

[blissful wren]

hestia is fire

[merry flint]

Chaos and Narcissus give elemnts

[steel sequoia]

swift flourish conviniently give one too

[mystic bison]

Hardest to easiest:

1. Charybdis
2. Satyr champion
3. Serpent
4. Phantom
5. Shadow spiller
6. Lamia
7. Root stalker
8. Goldwraith
9. Vermimancer
10. Uh Oh

[tall notch]

You can get coarse grit without a single earth boon if you high roll out of your mind

[spare kite]

Maybe but also it just feels sad

[civic ocean]

Its also pretty easy to get earth

[steady cave]

I've been replaying H1 and I realized there's somehting missing in the 2.
We've can't destroy (or send back with athena's boons) enemies' projectile and it makes it all so much more difficult.
Has it been discussed?

[steel sequoia]

i got when i had 5, than i get the sixth and it was fine

[civic ocean]

Earth and wind 2 easiest elements to get for sure

[zenith bolt]

God        - Elements             - Infusion Requirement
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Zeus       - Air                  - 5 Air
Hera       - Earth                - 3 Earth
Poseidon   - Water                - 4 Water
Demeter    - Water and Earth      - 6 Earth
Apollo     - Air and Fire         - 3 Fire
Aphrodite  - Water and Air        - 4 Air
Hephaestus - Fire and Earth       - 1+ Earth
Hestia     - Fire                 - 1+ Fire
Artemis    - Air and Earth        - N/A
Hermes     - Air, Earth, and Fire - 2 Air, 2 Fire, 2 Water, 2 Earth
Chaos      - All                  - 1+ Aether

hermes is only 1 fire (nitro sprint)
narcissus can give you +2 all except aether
aether is from duos and chaos' creation boon

[timber pawn]

2 Chaos and narc I guess?

[merry flint]

anyways for Eos torches 24 fear which god should i start with? Hera to try for Born Gain or Demeter for Freeze?

[brazen ore]

Soot sprint

[split igloo]

Oh there's also elements and infusions in thessaly for free in the add on rooms

[nova dune]

ty

[brazen ore]

Completely trivializes Eris

[tall notch]

It's hard for me to rank the Tart elites because I won't fight them unless i know my build can destroy them

[blissful wren]

whats aether chaos gives the duo boon stuff?

[tall notch]

Both options viable, choose on preference I'd say

[split igloo]

1 is crazy crazy what weapon are you maining

[civic ocean]

Not really, they're just different games

If zagreus could hold enemies in place for like 4 seconds Hades 1 would be super different right

[steady cave]

what's that?

[night gazelle]

I'm trying to learn playing antler-style on some low heats (10-15). How do people generally manage Strength when doing this? Do you keep your maxHP high enough that the Strength threshold is around 30 at least, or do you try to keep it low so that DDs still leave you in White Antler?

[blissful wren]

hestia sprint that eats projectiles

[zenith bolt]

added a note about it. aether is from duos and chaos' creation boon

[brazen ore]

Hestia 's sprint, destroys projectiles

[mystic bison]

I don't main anything I go with whatever is on dark thirst

[steady cave]

So it's the only one that does it, right?

[tall notch]

You reduce your healing and get into strength range by taking hits you know will be safe. Then you keep that hp

[night gazelle]

I've carried armor from Arachne into act 3 for example, so lost Strength for a while due to Centaur

[steady cave]

And yeah I know it's not the same games, but I just think it makes things much more difficult, and sometimes doesn't make sense, since you can throw projectiles through your enemies attack and they don't even collide

[brazen ore]

I believe so. But like, divine dash was the only h1 boon that reflected projectiles with a dash. But the playstyles are so different that soot sprint kind of isn't anything unless you're specifically fighting eris or something

[civic ocean]

Turn Centaur off

[tall notch]

Optimal antler tries not to get Centaur

[iron flame]

does the tarot card furies increase cast damage as well? like if i have a demeter cast do the enemies take 30% more damage from the freeze dmg the cast is dealing. or is it only if i do my attack/special in the cast

[civic ocean]

Yes

[night gazelle]

Mmm ok, it's worth giving up...what, 1's? (For Antler builds)

Or 2s?

[tall notch]

Either give up 1s or get that special save file

[civic ocean]

Easiest to give up 1s if you're playing Strength, 5s if you're not IMO

[tall notch]

With everything but centaur unlocked

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah, also increase damage of the omega explosion and apollo omega. though it doesnt work on poseidon omega

[iron flame]

ooh neat, i just reached 30 grasp and am going like full reroll + max rarity chance and saw i had like 2 spare grasp and just grabed furies so neat to know

[night gazelle]

Yeah 5s and not Strength seems solid. I guess the big question for me is Chronos. ...Well mostly I just actually have to get good at the fight. But on a fight where you're proccing DDs, do you ultimately want higher or lower maxHP by the time you get there

[tall notch]

Btw, am I crazy or does +40% Charybdis respawn tentacles before the projectiles from intermissions are done exploding?

[civic ocean]

5s and not strength is way less powerful than 1s and not runner fwiw

Only do 5s if you desperately need Sorceress

[night gazelle]

Main goal is to learn what's likely a good way to play for Heat (...and maybe for keeping myself honest about having to learn fights properly, heh)

[blissful wren]

If you have lovers or other resistances to block the first couple of hits, you can get a lot of milage from coming in low hp

[nova dune]

He does

[merry flint]

*she

[tall notch]

Antler high fear does require knowledge of attack patterns

[nova dune]

She*

[merry flint]

Scylla and Charybdis duo monsters of the sea

[civic ocean]

I think we think Charb is harder because we don't hVe as much exp on that fight

I'm almost at 300 nights and I've fought Charb like 6 times

[zenith bolt]

guys, i figured out what EM scylla is gonna be

[tall notch]

This is why I want Charybdis showing up for EM sirens

[zenith bolt]

same brain cell LOL

[merry flint]

i was honestly thinking Scylla Charybdis would be a duo from the start

[latent robin]

Hi guys, I hope you're fine.
I have a question for you !

Do you know how Aspect of Persephone from the Argent Skull weapon works?
I have the impression that the weapon does not work, if I say that it is because every time I attack with the basic weapon, the cursor at the bottom left does not move

[tall notch]

Someone suggested this in general discussion and it lives in my head rent free every since

[blissful wren]

that would be cool if scylla got a few tentacles in her fight

[merry flint]

glory is very slow to generate

[nova dune]

Damn, that's crazy, i am on night 80 and i think i fought him like 4 times already

[merry flint]

you can't have scylla without charybdis somewhere

[civic ocean]

You need to deal about 5000 damage to max out the meter

[timber pawn]

It requires a lot more damage than you'd expect but it does function as described

[tired fulcrum]

It moves just very very slowly

[zenith bolt]

what do yall think olympus boss is gonna be? i was guessing 3 fates (under control) for a bit but idk now

[civic ocean]

I go down way more than up

[tall notch]

Ares

[zenith bolt]

bc chronos more says he banished the fates n such

[nova dune]

Zag

[timber pawn]

I don't like doing half runs so I've basically only been doing underworld runs

[night gazelle]

EM Scylla should be getting even hotter so it distracts you from fighting

[spare kite]

I think is a big monster or smth
There's a zeus dialogue like "something has been creating a lot of earthquakes here and is not your uncle"

[brazen ore]

Maybe Typhon. Or a hero that's now a general in his army

[blissful wren]

my moneys on typhon

[mystic bison]

Enemy tierlist based on ho much I hate them https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1243622974636949555/image.png?ex=665225a6&is=6650d426&hm=7df31dd5714c5f5eb397d95123b261c8171d52992beb913560d3028d7932ce35&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=855&height=417

[zenith bolt]

typhon perhaps

[civic ocean]

Laser guys gotta be higher

[tall notch]

How are hippos not S

[night gazelle]

Can Boon Boon Boon wreck your build with a replacement?

[zenith bolt]

bloat shade in C
lol

[brazen ore]

I disagree with big yellow guy being in C tier I HATE him

[blissful wren]

how are the fields of mourning suck guys in c

[zenith bolt]

the triple combo of hating bloat-shades

[mystic bison]

could be Hyperion, Demeter and Hera father

[civic ocean]

Does S just stand for surface

[brazen ore]

I'm glad I'm not alone lmfao

[timber pawn]

If the run away ai was tuned down like... Just a bit. It's be a lot better lol

[mystic bison]

LMAO

[zenith bolt]

that's true, but i think chronos mentions reviving his ally titans as a future goal

[tall notch]

After fighting hippos I think I know how the enemies feel when I kite them with Demeter Eos

[blissful wren]

which hippos

[sturdy trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1243374962039849041/1243623501785595904/image.png?ex=66522624&is=6650d4a4&hm=9cfd3c28a3b165a91163c3d06d71767e79f493d7b7f6483b8cd758ed47c522f1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1218&height=676 I BELIEVE! IM A BELIEVER! PINK AURA FOREVER

[brazen ore]

I just hate how ill be doing my own thing fighting SOMEONE ELSE and yellow guy just HAS to give his input on the situation

[merry flint]

tiermaker link where

[mystic bison]

True he did say something like that

[iron flame]

is wayward son healing worth? or is it better to just buff my dash with swift runner

[spare kite]

Piiiiink

[merry flint]

wayward better than runner i feel but idk

[civic ocean]

I wonder if Olympus breaks with the series tradition, because Ephyra loads us up with major finds so much, if Olympus is just like a boss rush like 3 bosses b2b

[sturdy trail]

I BELIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE

[tall notch]

pink aura

[mystic bison]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-2-enemies-tier-list-17153567

[blissful wren]

if its at lvl 3 id take wayward

[spare kite]

I like wayward for cheaper chaos but idk your context

also I just run both

[tall notch]

Are you able to get both

[mystic bison]

Tbh I ranked the enemies pretty fast I didn't dwell too much on it but that is generally my ranking

[civic ocean]

I really don't like Wayward with scars II

[zenith bolt]

i figure wayward is about a gyro or two of healing at scars II

[steel sequoia]

i loved this tierlist

[civic ocean]

When you think S means Surface it makes sense

[blissful wren]

which sources of healing still work at scars IV, is it just DDs?

[iron flame]

nah cant get both, i only have enough for 2 1 tarot cards cause i want the duo buff. so i usually go wayward + slow things down while ya charge omega cause i mainly play with thantos axe and momus staff and that just helps not getting hit more often

[zenith bolt]

momus omega special

[civic ocean]

Hearts - anything that raises max hp

[blissful wren]

thats surpsising

[tall notch]

Not strictly healing, but it's important to remember all armor works

[spare kite]

Hammers that recover on kill too iirc

[civic ocean]

Hrm. If you rush Heph maybe it's worth to turn on scars 3?

[tall notch]

Heph has been a carry for my antler gaming

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/487676533344043028/1243624495382790154/dI5DkGZTTsAAAAASUVORK5CYII.png?ex=66522711&is=6650d591&hm=ad5f7471eadf32bf948ae1ea2b8adcd2d0ff0647253ae270a2ba96c6d862d4b4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=419
Hades 2 EA enemy tier list

[sturdy trail]

youre trolling

[blissful wren]

EA?

[spare kite]

Do apollo's infusion and soft caress just get rekt by lc4 (I still don't remember vow names)

[night gazelle]

Is utility that helps preserve HP valuable? (Winter Coat, Mint Condition) or do you generally just play normal DPS build

[tall notch]

I was trying to do this and realised that most of surface enemies were in S-tier 😭
There is something wrong with that place

[mystic bison]

S stands for surface fr

[blissful wren]

lc is scars

[steel sequoia]

im assuming the rat isnt uh oh right??

[civic ocean]

Wait do people understand that the zombie houses make more zombies

[mystic bison]

No these are base enemies, no minibosses

[zenith bolt]

rift of thessaly doesnt pull its punches

[tall notch]

These things are very valuable. My antler setup is Demeter + Heph + Dmg/mana regen god

[sturdy trail]

I like uh-oh, all other rats, hate them

[merry flint]

who's trolling

[night gazelle]

So basically a one-important-god build on every weapon

[spare kite]

Tony (uh oh) is so weak here, which like, fair lmao

[blissful wren]

on top of the annoying enemies, it wont tell you where theyre spawning

[civic ocean]

OKAY LIKE PSA

This game is like HIGHLY personal if you post a tierlist of basically anything people are gonna accuse you of trolling or being out to lunch

[sturdy trail]

is this like, whats annoying or what you enjoy

[mystic bison]

Went for praying I avoid him in H1 to praying I get him in H2

[tall notch]

Yeah, alternatively take Hera for her duo with Heph and don't worry about attack/special boons period

[merry flint]

difficulty (annoyance is also a factor)

[zenith bolt]

every enemy is F tier piss easy baby enemy except for blood shades

[sturdy trail]

then youre spot on lol

[civic ocean]

Eurobeat shades do be tricky

[zenith bolt]

im trolling now im actually just trolling

[night gazelle]

Hmm really mutes your Str scaling. But amazing for crit

[merry flint]

im the goat fr

[zenith bolt]

stuck away from my computer is driving me insane

[brazen ore]

Whoa u didn't get automodded for piss...?

[zenith bolt]

automod doesnt care about piss or ass

[merry flint]

or sex

[brazen ore]

Sex makes sense that's like a normal word

[night gazelle]

Don't judge the automod for what it's into

[tall notch]

You will still str scale on Demeter's cast which is genuinely decent damage with antler and shouldn't be slept on

[brazen ore]

So is ass kinda. Piss is piss tho

[mystic bison]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1243625758463623219/image.png?ex=6652283e&is=6650d6be&hm=0d52385ced71d136855d5bf5327b4751667acb9ca10e4e589ea82ad634026c31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1025&height=412

[zenith bolt]

true

[tall notch]

Hottest boss tier list?

[brazen ore]

Anyway

[tall notch]

Why Eris so low tho

[zenith bolt]

chronos has an hourglass figure how could he be D

[night gazelle]

Scylla Meg S

[merry flint]

this is clearly a sheep tierlist

[blissful wren]

Roxy > Jetty > Scylla in hotness

[tall notch]

|| it's because I want his D ||

[zenith bolt]

poly should be higher then

[merry flint]

S rank - Mel is sheep
C rank - there are sheep here
D rank - no sheep

[civic ocean]

Eris is unreasonably hot until she starts talking tbh

[brazen ore]

This is so dependent on ur personal tastes tho cause ngl Polyphemus could eat me any day

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/456936596227358720/1243460913441280070/Chronos_You_Should.png?ex=66518eb8&is=66503d38&hm=e1246f7b4d6446b256c452c84ec7b7ebb22e2e0602174d797399ab215f5cebd7&

[civic ocean]

Holy moly

[spare kite]

(source: #fan-works message )

[night gazelle]

Wow misogyny hours in here 🤭

[zenith bolt]

eris is goals

[civic ocean]

No way all the women in this game are awesome and smart and great

Eris is a goddamn moron

[zenith bolt]

eris means well in her own twisted way

[brazen ore]

I'm gay so I kinda just feel left out that we don't have Dio yet

[night gazelle]

Yeah I know, she's a little one-note 💜

[mystic bison]

No other boss can annihilate any sort of self respect you have than being turned into a sheep by Hecate

[brazen ore]

Yall get to see naked women give me the naked man

[civic ocean]

I love how even her keepsake sucks

[night gazelle]

Eris is only good at one thing (Railing you)

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1163871918873645066/1232885497378898021/20240109_164823.jpg?ex=6651f9d8&is=6650a858&hm=04ab878487fc10b792cc483e8bb41378d618a8616640338e573529f29c31cf02&

[brazen ore]

Her keepsake is great with coarse grit tho

[zenith bolt]

dw ares will be shirtless and knee deep in blood surely ❤️

[merry flint]

can't she bomb chronos ships for a change? she does absolutely nothing outside trashing the place and killing melinoe

[civic ocean]

Its like

Not worth it for the dmg buff

[tall notch]

Eris is unreasonably hot when she starts talking tbh
fixed that for you

[spare kite]

Eris keepsake should be 50% per encounter

[zenith bolt]

eris keepsake should just flat be "you do +100% damage and take +100% damage"

[merry flint]

its like what, 60% right at the end at max rank?

[brazen ore]

I kinda just like it for the funny tbh. Like oh thanks I will be taking more damage in return for me doing more damage. No more than 15 tho

[broken pier]

lol man, these 30 hp runs are NOT for me xD

[spare kite]

Sgg do a good scaling keepsake challenge

[zenith bolt]

not that broken bc of how many additive damage bonuses there are

[civic ocean]

Wow someone turn a chatgpt to nihilistic and send it Coldshade's way

[merry flint]

I miss Lambent Plume

[tired fulcrum]

Fair tbh

[merry flint]

Discordant Bell sucks because its got Discord in it

[zenith bolt]

skypeant bell just doesnt have the same ring to it

[brazen ore]

Zoomant bell

[zenith bolt]

Microsoft Teamsant Bell

[split igloo]

Hecate is built like she's about to use her blood manipulation cursed technique upon me (I'd be down for that fyi)

[steel sequoia]

https://postimg.cc/XXTQWqNd ended mine, think its not 100% accurate

[merry flint]

Slackant bell

[night gazelle]

Anvil can't ruin Momus builds right?

[zenith bolt]

not really

if you already have double moonshot though, don't

[brazen ore]

I do want her to grate me on her abs like a cheese tbh

[merry flint]

unless it replaces double moonshoot i don't see how it goes wrong

[mystic bison]

Anvil always worth it if missing double moonshot

[night gazelle]

(right)

[steel sequoia]

ive made some runs without 2moonshot but its a little harder, u can do it anyways

[civic ocean]

This is why you can't sheep her it bounces off the abs

[broken pier]

I hate eris so much, she's just like my niece, def redirecting irl hatred to that bullet spamming wench

[merry flint]

yeah i've done without double moonshot the DPS is still amazing

[mystic bison]

Only npc to gift us a nectar

[zenith bolt]

eris just wants mel to loosen up a bit 😇

[tall notch]

What would be a better fields keepsake if you don't antler?

[merry flint]

yeah actions speak louder than words

[zenith bolt]

they said anvil, not icarus keepsake

[tall notch]

OH

[brazen ore]

Soot sprint, poseidon special, and poseidon hestia duo boon was a 0iq way of beating her

[tall notch]

Icarus keepsake kinda replaced anvil in my head because it shares the run-bricking potential

[zenith bolt]

also uhh concave stone or aromatic phial maybe

[broken pier]

lol once I realized only the purple shot breaks the pilon, every build I play makes quick work of her

[tall notch]

Concave stone is Echo's, right? Can it force you to take a sacrifice boon?

[zenith bolt]

i dont know

[brazen ore]

I really like the chaos keepsake

[mystic bison]

You can also avoid the purple shot by bursting her down which forces her to abandon the attack and enter invuln phase

[tall notch]

I know that when levelling it up I've had moments where it took things I didn't want and that's when I decided I won't be using it in serious runs

[merry flint]

ngl i forgot about aromatic phial

[civic ocean]

Engraved Pin feels super good for oceanus and fields

[merry flint]

i should probably grind that out tbh

[night gazelle]

Purple shot just misses a lot when I'm moving around too, though not tried doing reliably

[jovial cove]

phial can be neat if you don't care which god you start with and want your attack to be heroic

[split igloo]

Engraved pin is honestly disgusting for oceanus, I tend to not use it on fields

[merry flint]

probably better than running chaos embryo

[mystic bison]

If I get the gods I need in Erebus, I usually run Chaos keepsake in Oceanus

[broken pier]

as long as you're sprinting perpendicular from the shot it will miss 100%

[brazen ore]

I just like having a freebie chaos boon

[civic ocean]

If you take pin it can be hard to remember to die at the end of fights if ur under 60

[tall notch]

I don't try to build around phial but when I finish a region and see that all of its common quality hits would be beneficial I'll put it on

[merry flint]

yeah its a nice perk

[zenith bolt]

i always misgauge how wide eris' shotgun is

[night gazelle]

Yeah Chaos keepsake has a lot of hits for high value

[merry flint]

wish icarus would work similarly

[civic ocean]

Does it last all of fields

[broken pier]

every time i use it I get 90% cast dmg -_-

[jovial cove]

the main reason I stopped doing a ton of phial runs was because I kept getting Hera lol

[spare kite]

Needs skips iirc

[zenith bolt]

i forget if chaos keepsake counts encounters or locations

[civic ocean]

encouners iirc

[spare kite]

Yeah is encounters

[zenith bolt]

encounters no, there's at least 8 in every fields

2 + 2 + 3 + cerb

but i think more usually?

[spare kite]

Need chaos gate + echo ig?

[night gazelle]

It doesn't really matter for Chaos keepsake anyway, you still don't know what you'll get left with. Unless you want to try to manipulate it by doing +/- 1

[mystic bison]

I had 1 run where Chaos didn't change after fields, so it's possible to not pass the 8 encounter limit

[civic ocean]

I think it can be 7 if you hit miniboss and echo right

[zenith bolt]

can chaos spawn naturally in fields (no ixion)?

[civic ocean]

only in first floor

[spare kite]

But yeah I've def had it stay at 1 encounter

[celest swallow]

this is what i told myself on a run where i'd gotten the faster and more powerful special hammer plus double attack, then it rerolled my special hammer into two attack/omega hammers 🥹

[civic ocean]

What do people feel like the odds are for miniboss+echo in fields, I feel like you get offered them like over 80% of the time

[zenith bolt]

so chaos is kinda frontloaded then. basically none in fields and tartarus is too late in a run to see chaos halfway thru

[celest swallow]

but i also literally only had pos special for a main boon, all others were empty just by luck, and i still cleared it so... it was hilarious at least lol

[mystic bison]

NPC rooms much more common in here than Hades 1 I feel

[spare kite]

The odds for npcs feel higher in general

[devout jungle]

Around that, it's pretty crazy

[zenith bolt]

i think echo is near 100%

[brazen ore]

I almost never get Narcissus but I get arachne and echo like all the time

[civic ocean]

Narc feels rarest

[mystic bison]

Hades too

[brazen ore]

Oh and I also never get Medea

[spare kite]

Which is nice cus finishing patty's quest was a pain

[merry flint]

i take encounters around echo all the time

[civic ocean]

Hades feels actual 100%

[zenith bolt]

medea is the rarest

[brazen ore]

I saw her like once

[spare kite]

Medea who

[zenith bolt]

circe i think ties with fountain room and charybdis?

[merry flint]

i've gotten circe more than fountain

[turbid hull]

You're welcome

[mystic bison]

I've had only 2 runs where Hades room didn't spawn, and the first one was the first time I made it to Kronos so it may be scripted to not spawn then

[merry flint]

hope i get her again i need to give her some nectar

[steel sequoia]

damn this is tryhard

[grim salmon]

Cheese tactic for the Shadow Spiller using the torches' Aspect of Moros. You can't deal damage from outside the shadow, so just pour attacks in there, walk in, special once to detonate them all, and dash back out.

[brazen ore]

Cool thing I noticed with Circe: if you take the perk that makes you bigger, Mel's voice lines are pitched a little lower for the rest of the run

[nocturne crown]

yoo I have all testaments compeleted and done the two 32 Heat runs, how can I write in feedback channel?

[iron flame]

how does natural talent prophecy show up? i feel like ive beaten the game quite a bit now and passed by hecate a lot but i have not seen this prophecy show up at all

[spare kite]

Also works with the other item (size down)

[mystic bison]

Pick role in #server-roles

[merry flint]

you need to grab the role (the bot tells you how)

[spare kite]

It makes any convo so unserious

[nocturne crown]

ah I see ty

[brazen ore]

I think you have to upgrade an arcana card at least once but it might be bugged tbh

[civic ocean]

same with the other way around it makes the flirting with Icarus way way funnier

[merry flint]

i need the portraits to change size too