h2-builds-and-combat

[timber fractal]

I think ill go for con. fury

[bleak night]

good hammer, either way

[frozen hearth]

Are keepsake effects supposed to stay after swapping now? I just have more incentive to keep running embryo till I get an effect I like -> phial/hammer -> end with whatever I think I need every run now.

[bleak night]

Some of them don't, just so you have a heads up. Like, I ran Silken Sash to see how long I could stack armour in a perfect run, and I swapped it out in Tartarus for something else, and it removed all my armour from the stacking

[frozen hearth]

Embryo staying is just... nuts imo.

[bleak night]

Embryo's is nice, yeah

[tired fulcrum]

nexus

[empty timber]

It's really strong but even in hades 1 there were a bunch of keepsakes that would stick around

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1243469832888909864/image.png?ex=66519706&is=66504586&hm=1cf57380be196ba424ad91cddd430fa2c66c5705f34bccdae0619fbac1ce315d& this is so cursed. coarse grit with 4 earth elements, brave face with 0 mana. also sub 20 td2 so I didnt need to onion

[hazy crane]

Embryo is a fantastic starting keepsake

[empty timber]

it's not really that different to the purse if you think about it

[bleak night]

Seems like you didn't really need Coarse Grit, either way. Good run

[frozen hearth]

As an avid chaos chaser even in hades 1, I have no real reason not to start chaos every run liek before.

[bleak stag]

WHAT THE HELL IS CHRONOS PHASE 2????

[tired fulcrum]

ngl mel skull makes mel axe feel kinda bad dps wise

[bleak stag]

i just got beyond one shot

[bleak night]

did you take 1k damage

[tired fulcrum]

except for the fact that I always lose track of my skulls

[bleak stag]

mayhaps

like 897

[spice ibex]

Good morning

[bleak night]

you gotta run into the lit up circle when he does that

[timber fractal]

Just found a glitch i think?

[novel maple]

hook knifes is the single most powerful hammer you can get

[bleak night]

gm~

[bleak stag]

that looked like you run away from that

[split igloo]

Is Hades 2 worth purchasing as of right now?

[empty timber]

you gotta run into the areas the blurs in chronos p2 are pointing to except for the attack where actually you don't

[bleak night]

It's got 5 weapons with 3 aspects each, a full underworld. Story-wise, nothing seems to be in place yet, but gameplay wise you can enjoy it

[bleak stag]

if on;y there was,,,

[tired fulcrum]

we're all the addicts so maybe a little biased

[crisp shale]

Gameplay-wise yes, story-wise it is incomplete

[bleak stag]

an attack indicater that led you into a concentric zone...........

[split igloo]

will they add more aspects?

[bleak night]

It's hard to tell at the start, yeah

[timber fractal]

how do i upload clips ere
when phase 2 starts with the sirens, you can insta-die if youre inside the guitar siren

[bleak night]

One more hidden aspect for each weapon + 1 more weapon with all 4 aspects

[bleak stag]

that was such a cool run too

[hazy crane]

upload to a hosting site and then share the link - though please also report it in-game with

[tired fulcrum]

sounds like jetty dashed into double waved you

[bleak night]

some of us learned about that the hard way

[split igloo]

nice, i think in the future they may add weapons

[empty timber]

I also instantly died to chronos p2 when I got there for the first time for the exact same reason and was similarly tilted.

and then a later run I died because he has another attack in p2 that makes the screen do a similar thing except actually there's no threat and you get hit by him if you try to get to where the blurs point to

[bleak night]

They 100% will, there's one spot with no weapon unlockable yet, and in the aspect selection list there's space for a 4th on all the current 5

[bleak stag]

is his entire p2 ohko?

[empty timber]

Nah

[bleak night]

Just when he starts channeling and turns the entire floor dark, save some lit up spots that won't take damage

[tired fulcrum]

he can use the ohko any number of times but he only uses them occassionally

[split igloo]

gn chat its 3 in the morning for me

[hazy crane]

right before Eris, I got an Epic Bridal Glow

it upgrades my Plentiful Forage

I buy a pom slice from the last shop

it upgrades my Plentiful Forage

(Bridal Glow also upgraded my Engagement Ring, which is definitely useful against Eris )

[split igloo]

staying up all night playing hades

[bleak night]

gn

[hazy crane]

I'm so cooked, no way I'm winning this Eris fight lmao

[tired fulcrum]

worth

[hazy crane]

I got a singular piece of driftwood, so the run was indeed worth

that was before I upgraded Forage though, so only +5 hp lmao

[bleak night]

nah, you win those

play around the funni towers

[hazy crane]

most of my damage is going to be coming from Icarus's Hazard Bomb, which definitely doesn't have massive anti-synergy with Engagement Ring

and Heph sprint + Vent lmao

[bleak night]

run at her and hide after

[hazy crane]

that's the plan! I'm on Eos so I'd be doing it anyway

DRIFTWOOD IN ERIS ROOM THAT'S 16 MORE HP BABY

[bleak night]

I've been enjoying the Axe vs Eris matchup because I can block her rocket bombs as soon as they exit her gun, so she doesn't get the damage boost

[sudden belfry]

lets gooo fried chronos with steam

put him in the deep fryer

[bleak night]

Nice. Does steam obscure the enemy a lot btw, visually?

[timber fractal]

How do i gift to echo? ive got 50 hours and its never popped up LMAO

[sudden belfry]

tbh it wasnt a problem for me

[sudden belfry]

i just gifted her for the first time and i have like 60 hours i think it just takes a lot of time/meetings

[oak zephyr]

Sometimes you can only gift after the conversation

[hazy crane]

rip, got to phase 2, but it was one of her summon fight so I didn't have a chance

[bleak night]

that's a shame

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1243474306982477895/image.png?ex=66519b31&is=665049b1&hm=62161667d728312dacfc715284bdc325b1eb087ba96573cf59be31a1b8205fc5& this pink aura is some serious stuff dear god

[bleak night]

record the Chronos fight, I wanna see how much orbs you're generating

[warped harness]

oop i gotta bust out the obs

[timber fractal]

Just had the best run of my life omg

1 min ill show ina but'

wait how do i send images again 💀

[bleak night]

post in private server or dm, then open in browser and copy the link. Alternatively, since it's a win screen, just post in #h2-victory-boasting

[strange kite]

i hate 60% more enemies

i never want to deal with 60% more enemies ever again. it's just hippos. hippos everywhere

[hazy crane]

[strange kite]

bouncing blades made it pretty trivial once i got that in fields but if i dont get bouncing blades its like bruuh

[timber fractal]

Just sent it, asp of pan + heroic special boon + 12; legit insta killed chronos and cerberus

[strange kite]

also hourglasses

i hate hourglasses too.

and all the other normally not a big deal enemies end up zoning you out like crazy unless u have REALLY good aoe

[bleak night]

level 12 on your main damage feels great

[warped harness]

the filesize is too big ill probably have to upload it to yt @bleak night

[strange kite]

i think im gonna go back to being an onion enjoyer

[bleak night]

Oh, rip. If it's not too much trouble then

[warped harness]

nah it wouldnt be it'd just take a little

[spice ibex]

@bleak night The fates don't want me to unlock aspects

[timber fractal]

I didnt even care abt getting hit with how fast chronos died

[bleak night]

has Hecate ran out of things to talk about ?

[strange kite]

there's just a chance that onion runs go horribly wrong if i never get any boons. damn what am i supposed to do. i cant find the "perfect" set of heats for pan for a comfy sleepy run

[spice ibex]

Wdym bro ?

[bleak night]

are you sure the incantation for it isn't there yet ?

[spice ibex]

You know , I gonna try the hera witch staff build you sent me and check if Hera would say anything again

[spice ibex]

It isn't there

[bleak night]

Weird. idk what makes it appear

[timber fractal]

Is it emberassing I havent gotten a SINGLE legend boon 50 hours in 0-0

Actually scratch that, i got aphro's but hers is.. eh

[spice ibex]

Are you sure it's Hecate

[strange kite]

do yall take less healing 1 or less healing 2?

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh they all have 3 reqs and sometimes theyre pretty specific reqs

[bleak night]

Hecate for sure was the one that mentioned it to me

[bleak night]

I sometimes just go healing 0%

[tired fulcrum]

1 then get moonwater then free win

[strange kite]

can selene absorb onion?

[tired fulcrum]

No sadly

[strange kite]

damn big f

[turbid hull]

imagine if selene was remotely good

[tired fulcrum]

Selene into onion

[strange kite]

onion selene would be best selene fr fr

if ur on 75% healing do u go death or wayward son?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/434960126693081090/1243479575065923606/image.png?ex=6651a019&is=66504e99&hm=7bd15d817a1af8c98256d889db2ad368438332fbb16ecce57fa42f5e710dfc7b& this is what im currently on and it feels reasonable but i dont like death at all. the number is just a bit too low

[tired fulcrum]

Wayward prob

[turbid hull]

Wdym you don't use XXV

[tired fulcrum]

Death doesnt really feel all that impactful

[strange kite]

death should be a 2 cost honestly

[warped harness]

https://youtu.be/gXIIlHyK9ME?si=LvArG8vWGc7MmfwG @bleak night it's 360p rn and no audio cause i didnt have my obs set up for it but here's the charon kill

[strange kite]

it's a multiplicative 10% dps increase (crit based) on omegas

does death even apply to posidon splash?

[warped harness]

no

[strange kite]

BRUH actually useless

[tired fulcrum]

I think it applied to apollo cast last time i tested it so maybe

[warped harness]

actually it might bc ik it applies to zeus cast

[bleak night]

6 orbs per omega let's goooo

[warped harness]

STRONG aura

[carmine lagoon]

What’s the lowest heph attack boons get?

[bleak night]

nice run

[warped harness]

i cannot read

[bleak night]

2 seconds, iirc

[warped harness]

thank u

[turbid hull]

I can check

Wait what does lowest even mean

[warped harness]

for some reason i read "what's the lowest" and interpreted that as "what's the lowest point you could be at picking up a heph boon"

[toxic cypress]

ya 2 secs

[timber fractal]

Is maxed out judgement good at all?

[warped harness]

is that heroic with poms?

[timber fractal]

The arcana card

[turbid hull]

heroic Attack Boon looks like it's 6 sec

[limber dock]

if i stack up eris ring early on in encounters can i take it off and keep the dmg increase or i lose it?

[turbid hull]

first pom seems like it removes 2 sec and then it removes 1?

I'm still not sure exactly of how upgrades work

[timber fractal]

How the hell did you manage that

[strange kite]

NOPE death is worthless

[warped harness]

the scuffed recording or the damage?

[strange kite]

it actually doesnt apply just tested lmao

[timber fractal]

that build

[bleak night]

wdym ?

[warped harness]

took aphro, apollo, then hera keepsake, used the fleece in the final section, and i lucked into the first room having the triple helix hammer

[strange kite]

death crits doesnt apply to poseidon special

[bleak night]

Ah, because it doesn't let Poseidon crit gotcha

[warped harness]

i had common aphro for a while and messed up my boons, still got a crazy run with it

[bleak night]

I don't really use Poseidon much so idk the interactions too much

[timber fractal]

Whats the fleece?
never used torches but seeing that i wana, are those the normal torches?

[timber fractal]

Which god do you start with first? do you ever use attack/

[warped harness]

those are the mel torches, the fleece is the keepsake you get from medea which increases omega damage by a %, and the god i start with is aphrodite to guarantee her and get her on special, you rarely attack outside of erebus/when your build comes online

you want the hera born gain bc nothing else rly compares, you could maybe get away with lucid gain but it will put you at a little more risk

[timber fractal]

noted noted tysm

[warped harness]

apollo is the third god just bc you can get the apollo aphro duo that triples your heartthrobs, and if youre really lucky and see enough apollo boons you can get the apollo legendary that doubles your spawned orbs and will get you heartthrobs more quickly, but it doubles the base cost

[timber fractal]

Wait thats insane.

[turbid hull]

yeah Fleece rank IV has like +50% Omega Moves damage

[warped harness]

40%

[turbid hull]

Rank IV not III

[warped harness]

at 3, 50% is only if you have the hera and demeter duo

[timber fractal]

I need to max that out ASAP. Asp of pan and thanatos about to go BRRRR

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242597020028637233/Hades_II_2024-05-21_14-54-36.mp4?ex=66510d27&is=664fbba7&hm=1aab9b805cdf45a29c3852a326ab024be1ae5ec24e21003fa1c478a57fc7b2dc& theres also the omega attack version for even more hearthrob spam

[turbid hull]

yeah I said for IV (the duo exclusive one)

[warped harness]

this is so silly i will try it one day

[turbid hull]

Hecate keepsake is inconsistent in terms of stats at level 4, but all the other keepsakes are linear

[warped harness]

how did you get the mana drain that high?

[timber fractal]

Howd you deal with prior rooms since ur born gain barely triggered

[tired fulcrum]

Both apollo legendary and weed killer lol

[warped harness]

based

4 gods? did you luck out with a dem. keepsake or smth?

[tired fulcrum]

Nah i just forced dem in tart

[warped harness]

ohh

yeah i see now dang

[tired fulcrum]

Uh wdym? Born gain gets reset between encounters

[warped harness]

^

[strange kite]

damn the logic of IsEx isn't super obvious

[turbid hull]

The damage logic as a whole can be tricky

Ex is Omega right?

[strange kite]

yeah

[turbid hull]

the critical function is huge

[strange kite]

lmao and the IsExWeapon function isnt exactly easy to understand. and how additional stuff like splash fits into everything is even harder

[turbid hull]

atleast scorch damage is easier to understand

Seems like CalculateBaseDamageAdditions just adds any Omega Move damage increasing buff additively for base damage

Same for CalculateDamageAdditions but it's for damage and not base damage

[spice ibex]

@bleak night If I have 26grasp , what shall I do in the arcana cards

[strange kite]

okay i got it. it looks like only projectiles in ProjectileData that has IsExProjectileProperty are ex projectiles

[turbid hull]

careful though ProjectileData can be overwritten by some stuff

[strange kite]

poseidon splash is i think PoseidonSplashSplinter and only stuff like apollo and zeus cast and poseidon cast have the is ex property for boons it seems

[turbid hull]

Pos attack/special boon projectile is PoseidonSplashSplinter, and sprint is PoseidonSprintSplash

[turbid hull]

Yep

there's also ProjectileThrowCharged but idk what it is

Oh, seems like vanilla omega cast

[turbid hull]

Wait, Hades can have rare/epic/heroic boons?

[warped harness]

i think thats just placeholder data?

[turbid hull]

Could be yeah, it's only on one boon

[warped harness]

like game might not function if something goes wrong otherwise

[turbid hull]

Unsure, game might just not care if it wasn't there

[warped harness]

his screen functions identically to boon screens, they can be rerolled

[turbid hull]

It's only on Deep Dissent

[warped harness]

which is that?

[turbid hull]

Reduces the amount of summoned foes by Chronos

[warped harness]

thats interesting

[turbid hull]

The other Hades Boons have no data for Rarities that overwrite the base Rarity template for Boons (Common -> 1.0, Rare -> Between 1.3 and 1.5, Epic -> Between 1.8 and 2.0, Heroic -> Between 2.3 and 2.5). Deep Dissent overwrites this with 1.00, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3

[warped harness]

i guess they had intended or maybe do intend to let his boons have rairty?

[turbid hull]

Mmmmh but why leaving it only on one boon maybe just a leftover

[warped harness]

id imagine

though im not experienced /w modding or gamedev so i cant rly say

[turbid hull]

Well I'm not experienced in gamedev, I did a bit of modding on other games and Hades II is BY FAR the easiest to datamine/mod I've ever had to deal with

[warped harness]

is it even a datamine this is like a data museum

[turbid hull]

yeah fair

for some games, datamining/modding is a war against the game for it to be cooperative

[warped harness]

like how minecraft used to be

[turbid hull]

eh, idk, I never modded MC

[warped harness]

iirc that game was barely moddable past a certain update bc the files were heavily obfuscated, but they stopped doing that

im not rly sure of many other examples

[turbid hull]

Rude

Ig it's better nowadays

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1243497156820598796/image.png?ex=6651b079&is=66505ef9&hm=917898860d093716ae4ceb821e914946b1620d5f8b9b2f0ad031b010876f14e1& i have no idea what to upgrade next, a lot either need fate fabric or suck

[turbid hull]

Found a boon that isn't linear

[warped harness]

wdym?

[turbid hull]

Boons, Keepsakes, Aspects etc. almost always follow a linear progression in terms of changed stats when upgrading

[warped harness]

oh with pomming?

[stable sable]

Demeter needs better duo boons

[turbid hull]

e.g. going from 100 at level 1 to 200, then 300, then 400 etc.

[stable sable]

I find most of Demeter's duos to be underwhelming

[turbid hull]

Nah, rarity for boons and upgrade for the others, pomming followers other rules

[warped harness]

oh

[turbid hull]

Hephaestus' Anvil Ring (the cast boon) starts at 50 (every 1 Sec.) at common, then jumps at 70 for rare, and is at 80 for epic and 90 for heroic

[warped harness]

i think a lot will feel better when certain gods are made more consistent

like zeus and hestia have great duos in theory with demeter but they just dont compete right now

demeter and poseidon feel wierd, demeter and hera is decent depending on the keepsakes youre taking

demeter and apollo is actually pretty broken but focuses on apollo buffs, she really just feels like a support god atm

rarely taken as main but offering very good general support and some nice niche stuff like weed killer

[cursive ruin]

One day ill get demeters legendary.. one day

[turbid hull]

is it even good?

[plain fossil]

its decent

it can shatter bosses so it works out to be good dps for one boon and the explosion while minor isnt a complete brick

[warped harness]

it is nice

making chronos's healthbar half of what it's supposed to be with demeter, knuckle bones, and hades 20% off boon

[umbral wedge]

what am I missing about aspect of Pan? It felt super underwhelming compared aphrodite+axe

[cursive ruin]

Youre missing spiral knives probably. That hammer upgrade is crucial

[umbral wedge]

I had them plus hooked knives

[cursive ruin]

Idk if hooked knives do much.. but yeah you should be good then.. what special boon you used?

[umbral wedge]

poseidon

[cursive ruin]

Huh.. sounds great.. and it didnt do much dmg?

[umbral wedge]

I mean, it did a good chunk, just not compared to any other really strong combination

and having to set up the cast was mechanically kinda hard

[cursive ruin]

Having some throw cast makes it easier

[turbid hull]

I found yet another non linear boon

[forest veldt]

maybe try running boundless w/ poseidon and hera or pos gain. boundless best hammer imo

[turbid hull]

Hera Cast
70 damage (common)
100 damage (rare)
130 damage (epic)
145 damage (heroic)

[forest veldt]

interesting, so both were casts?

wonder if h1 had many nonlinear scaling

[turbid hull]

The two non-linear boons I found for now are Casts yeah

[umbral wedge]

I'll try it again, although I am thinking maybe my perspective is just warped from playing with the axe so much

[turbid hull]

Although Heph's rarity that doesn't follow the others is the common one, while Hera's is the heroic one

[forest veldt]

if u want a warped persective give momus staff a go. super strong

[turbid hull]

and the other non linear stuff are always the very last level not following linearity, so Heph is kinda an exception for now

[umbral wedge]

that one was good, but I think still less than the axe. It felt a lot safer, but it was a lot slower too

[turbid hull]

I never saw rarity multipliers as whacked as Hera's Cast yet (1.0, 1.425, 1.850, 2.075)

[forest veldt]

interesting. did you play poseidon special spam w/ the double moonshot hammer?

[toxic grotto]

So I was just fighting ye olde final boss and I think he fully channeled his oneshot move while the time slowdown of death defiance was happening so I just got oneshot before I could move, is this intended

[umbral wedge]

yea

[spice ibex]

@bleak night Finally !

[cursive ruin]

The axe is hard to beat honestly with hammer upgrades on the attack and stuff

[spice ibex]

Guys what's the most weapon-changing aspect

[cursive ruin]

I had a run with mint condition and i always opened with axe omega attack to shred the first wave at least

[umbral wedge]

low key I feel like it's just flat out the best

[plain fossil]

Medea probably

[bleak night]

What made it unlock ?

[spice ibex]

Hecate , she unlocked it after bossfight

With witch staff

[cursive ruin]

Medea is so weird.. it forces you to use omega attack if youre trying to fight a sea snake

Cuz the special cant hit

And if you dont have mana.. well best just stay near the snake and hope the attacks natural explosion gets them

[umbral wedge]

I had a run with aspect of thanatos+flutterstrike+weedkiller+mint condition and a few others and I was bassically just a lawnmower

[cursive ruin]

Yep mint condition is just so fun if you work into it

[bleak night]

Oh, she had to progress dialogue is all then

[spice ibex]

@bleak night Suggest me a aspect to get , and try a build with it ?

[spice ibex]

Yeah , I must've been very impatient

[bleak night]

probs just unlock all at rank 1 whenever you can and try them out, decide from there what you want to use Nightmare on

[spice ibex]

I mean , which are really buffing your weapon much than before

[umbral wedge]

how do I add pictures here? I have a screenshot from one of my runs

[bleak night]

What weapon do you like using ?

[turbid hull]

Send your pictures in another server / private chat, right click on it and click Copy Link, then ctrl v here

[plain fossil]

Do u want the most different weapon or the most powerful weapon

Cos those things are not the same

[spice ibex]

All , but I find umbral flames kinda bad

[bleak night]

I mean, gotta specify for me. Pan, Momus and Thanatos are pretty good, for instance

[forest veldt]

if flame special staggered would feel much better imo

[bleak night]

Charon on Axe plays it very differently, meanwhile.

[forest veldt]

than will be nice w/ hammer bugfix

[plain fossil]

If torch special staggered it would be omegabroken lul

[bleak night]

true, but as it is it's not bad

[spice ibex]

Is the potential of the cast triggered by aspect of charon the same potential of normal charged casts

[plain fossil]

Uh its a normal omega cast if thats what ur asking

[forest veldt]

could always add an icd so not perma stagger, that would be pretty nuts

[bleak night]

Yep. You just tap the Cast button, and then aim Omega Special on it, and it'll have the properties of Omega Casts

[plain fossil]

It just does all the things a regular omega cast would do except it doesnt cost any mana

[spice ibex]

Good builds for that ?

wait I thought it's omega attack

💀

[plain fossil]

The cookie cutter charon build is apollo cast with zeus and demeter aiming for apollo zeus and apollo demeter duo boons

[turbid hull]

Open the image first and then right click https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243512212883247124/image.png?ex=6651be7e&is=66506cfe&hm=da887efeecbaecd700737104f2159e3b8aff3dde6f0f6a6a4a904ef8d47d616a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=293&height=261

[bleak night]

it's Omega Special

[turbid hull]

You likely right clicked your message, and not the image itself

[spice ibex]

Yeah , also i see that melione aspects are really good

[umbral wedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243511867284918322/Screenshot_4.png?ex=6651be2c&is=66506cac&hm=112c27d0fd7915dabd90b9fda8fe91f0be8a378226418304b9cc01ac7bda26c3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

[turbid hull]

there you go

[umbral wedge]

thanks

[plain fossil]

Damn this brother eating chronos to the face

[umbral wedge]

nom

[turbid hull]

Heroic Nasty Comeback does 1250% reflected damage? tf?

[stable sable]

By the way I believe I have found an incredible combo

You only need two boons for it as well

Poseidon's sprint boon and Zeus's special boon on Aspect of Moros. Channel your orbs and then simply surf through the room and you will delete most all enemies that try to attack you

[spice ibex]

Good builds for aspect of charon ?

[plain fossil]

I told u the cookie cutter charon build above u can scroll up

[umbral wedge]

anyone know if you can sacrifice a DD to oneshot Chronos in the second phase with nasty comeback?

[bleak night]

Apollo Cast + Zeus Special and Lightning Lance as a core should be good

[spice ibex]

alr thanks guys

[bleak night]

getting their duo is also pretty great on the build

[turbid hull]

Hmmmm unsure, depends if Nasty Comeback counts the damage of the enemy or the damage you get

Would assume it's the damage you get, e.g. it's dependant on your max life

[plain fossil]

It counts the damage u actually take, capped by ur life total

[umbral wedge]

tragic

[turbid hull]

Assuming you have 100 max life, it will "only" do 1,250 damage (phase 2 has 16k)

but ig it's nice to have as bonus damage

[plain fossil]

Mynt can link his afk nasty comeback chronos kill if he likes i guess

[spice ibex]

why zeus special

[spare kite]

Unlocks the duo/free dmg

[plain fossil]

It procs off the cast, and u need it for the duo

[spice ibex]

k

[stable sable]

Seriously you people need to try that simple combo

[turbid hull]

Jeez, the fandom Hades 2 Pages are so bad already. Casually inventing wrong stats for rare/epic/heroic boons because ig it's too hard to do their own research

[stable sable]

I am only left wanting for a Mana regeneration boon

[spice ibex]

which keepsake to start with

[warped harness]

which is funny considering we have the actual game files just sitting there on display

[plain fossil]

Apollo

[turbid hull]

Yeah, but it's too hard for fandom writers ig

[warped harness]

we need to just make a wiki like now

[turbid hull]

We already have one https://hades2.game-vault.net/wiki/Main_Page

[warped harness]

good 😭

now someone has to make a ridirect like the wiki.gg one

[turbid hull]

What does increasing the rarity of Bridal Glow do?

Does it increase the amount of boons selected, or does it increase the amount of rooms before they downgrade

[stable sable]

So anyway I have found Born Gain, thus becoming invincible

[spare kite]

Rooms before downgrade iirc?

[warped harness]

boons selected, total inverse of rare crop

[turbid hull]

The multipliers are weird

They are 1.0, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8, multiplying a number of boons by those numbers make no sense

Although if you multiply 5 (the number of rooms for the common version) by those numbers it always lands on an integer

[spice ibex]

sudden cleaver or giga cleaver

Doing aspect of charon run

[turbid hull]

But if it's the number of Rooms that changes, it's the first example I encounter of rarity increasing a number that is not the the one displayed with the small arrow https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243516213695352913/image.png?ex=6651c238&is=665070b8&hm=4890517f9e48ea6af05dc9b3b21bd4399a1f920e4ee3d77dcf49df4477235ea7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=363

[warped harness]

sudden

[spice ibex]

sure ?

[torn heron]

I think i had a higher tier bridal glow and it was still 2 boons, but encounters was like 8

[turbid hull]

8 was most likely Epic

[torn heron]

Yeah think it was

[turbid hull]

I would assume it's 5 Common, 7 Rare, 8 Epic and 9 Heroic

But then it's a unique example of increasing rarity changes a number that is not the one displayed with the small arrow

[warped harness]

sudden is speed right

[turbid hull]

hera has two non linear boons

[warped harness]

hera the goat

[spice ibex]

Is it a skill issue or I'm getting damaged much more with aspect of charon ?

[plain fossil]

Compared to?

[spice ibex]

normal axe spin to win , any other weapon

[glossy rivet]

are you kidding me
i used vow of forsaking to make air quality show up from zeus

[plain fossil]

Compared to normal axe probably skill issue

[glossy rivet]

except he only shows up once in oceanus and once in tartarus

[spice ibex]

alr

[plain fossil]

Axe in general is not great defensively tho so compared to other weapons probably not skill issue

[glossy rivet]

and he STILL didnt offer me air quality WHY ZEUS WHY

[plain fossil]

Theres a bunch of tips and tricks with axe dash cancels the skill ceiling is higher than other weapons

[turbid hull]

Are there other examples of Duo boons being "mirrored" relative to which god/goddess you got? e.g. Queen's Ransom & King's Ransom

[stable sable]

I have to say my main complaint about this game is no longer lack of build variety, however more so that certain builds can clear rooms way too easily but will simply be obliterated the moment they reach Chronos

[glossy rivet]

whats the easiest build to play air quality or a build that can still do well even if i cant get air quality im not stopping until i get zeus' infusion

[stable sable]

Although that is to be expected in any game of this nature it is still somewhat depressing when it happens

[glossy rivet]

istg its been like 7 runs without being offered air quality
2 have been with forsaking vow

[plain fossil]

Lul play on higher fear the balance is the other way round if u do

[glossy rivet]

4 were zeus keepsake starts

[turbid hull]

Well you first need 2 Air elements in order for it to start showing up

[plain fossil]

Most builds that can deal with erebus and oceanus at high fear before ur set up properly will crush chronos once u have what u need

[stable sable]

bro im fear 22 what the hell do you mean

[plain fossil]

I mean 32+

[stable sable]

im not gonna ever do that because i dont enjoy torture

[cursive ruin]

I kinda love the axes defense cuz i can block the annoying oceanus fat fish projectiles

[glossy rivet]

i got aphro start if not zeus start

[stable sable]

also i find "omg dont complain you havent even played on the hardest difficulty" to genuinely be an incredibly weird take

[plain fossil]

Uh sure thats a nice-to-have for sure

[plain fossil]

Bro im not saying dont complain im saying the balance is different there

[cursive ruin]

Im not gonna play high fear until they give me extreme measures

[plain fossil]

And chronos being harder than the rest of the game isnt always a thing

[strange oasis]

Has anyone run into finesse/prowess Chaos boons btw ? Like are they implemented currently

[plain fossil]

That is reasonable, i do miss EM

[stable sable]

in that case i apologise but it simply sounded somewhat like that

[plain fossil]

Is cool i dont mean to put ppl down or whatever

[glossy rivet]

play the icarus hammer gacha
sidelong crash
persephone skull with aphro special

[turbid hull]

They aren't implemented yet

[sudden scaffold]

they're implemented but disabled, you can't access them yet

[glossy rivet]

why is rngod like this

[turbid hull]

Yeah, disabled is a more correct word, mb

[strange oasis]

Ty the fated list was driving me crazy

[glossy rivet]

ok so sidelong crash is always to the right of mel right

[plain fossil]

What are u trying to do, air quality? Just click the vow of forsaking and use zeus keepsake to start, it will pretty much always show up

[stable sable]

Also I could swear this game has some kind of grudge against me

[sudden scaffold]

the one aspect that has a shield not being great defensively is wild

hopefully they rebalance the shield quickly

[stable sable]

Whenever Im full on Death Defiances it gives me the event/shop options that restore Death Defiances and whenever Im almost out of Death Defiances because of misplays I see none

[cursive ruin]

Would you say its against you all the.. hehe.. time?

[lost tree]

Heyho.. does someone know if it is by design choice to lose all stacked armor when switching the keepsake ?

[stable sable]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-krill-world-krill-lobster-lobster-fried-krill-fried-gif-7150912747510295957

[cursive ruin]

I actually think charon stocks healing items less frequently now.. at least the well usually has someth

[plain fossil]

The shield itself is great its just axe has a lot of recovery and startup so u get wrecked by 40% speed mobs

[lost tree]

Had one instance where my friend had 92 armor .. switched his keepsake and dropped down to 29

[sudden scaffold]

were you using the keepsake that gives you shield as long as you have an existing shield?

[plain fossil]

Thats certainly not consistent with other keepsakes, u dont lose ur rotating chaos buff or ur gold or whatever when u switch those keepsakes

So i figure u shouldnt lose ur armour

[lost tree]

Yes

[cursive ruin]

Also why 29 armour? Whats up with that?😅

[lost tree]

No idea

So it might be a bug ?

[sudden scaffold]

from the way it's worded you shouldn't be losing armor, if you can replicate it it might be worth reporting it

[bleak night]

Ah, I had that happen to me before. Your friend was using Silken Sash, and it probably built up additional armour over your location clears. The moment you swap it out, it removes all the armour you built up

[lost tree]

I have it recorded

[bleak night]

I don't know if it's a design choice or anything, but I do find it frustrating

[lost tree]

Yes thats exactly what happened. He had the azure dress combined with the keepsake

[bleak night]

In general, I think some keepsakes need a fix

Ghost Onion should probably heal without getting affected by Vow of Scars

[glossy rivet]

whats an air quality build that can still do well if air quality wont show up

tfw air quality finally showed up this run
in tartarus pre boss shop

its offered alongside lightning lance

tried zeus keepsake in floor 2 (aphro special momskull) then he only appeared once in oceanuse and fields
smh

also rngods wont even offer me detours so i dont have to fight chronos with chaos curses on

[umbral wedge]

is there any other build that puts out this kind of damage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243527789999820890/Normal_wrong_hammer.mp4?ex=6651cd00&is=66507b80&hm=947770903c2d9abe1d4ac1eba76df286b0ba68abed85e04aeb6c9ddc26a19157&

[bleak night]

As much as I love Axe, I've seen Pan just instantly delete Cerberus and it's kinda disgusting

@umbral wedge #h2-builds-and-combat message

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239077818223169546/HowlCrit.mp4?ex=66419ca4&is=66404b24&hm=d40253a6910452ce78e6b27e743827651979ec504c483933ac7464b2f1e90eca& pan do be silly

[bleak night]

disgusting gameplay

[bleak night]

o you're running judgment too

[spare kite]

Yeah lmao

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239078158636945418/image.png?ex=66516ef5&is=66501d75&hm=d41b77794dd5c40ea89a6eaff194cb70275c1123993d186c842206163c8aa761&

[bleak night]

Lethality is so rare on Wolf Howl for some reason

I almost just never see it

[spare kite]

I mainly see it when running omega attack stuff and can't use it :c

[bleak night]

the gaming experience

[turbid hull]

Engagement Nerf is nerfed on heroic

[vapid grove]

17 health going into chronos fight... at least i have 3 DD... wish me luck

[turbid hull]

Good luck!

[vapid grove]

i shouldn't have taken that one gold room... if i didn't i probably would still have full heath... sadge

[turbid hull]

You'll get it next time 🙂

[umbral wedge]

Axe vs Cerberus https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243532448701349928/Vs_Cerberus.mp4?ex=6651d157&is=66507fd7&hm=9cae7926308001d289196d8fc99d80711af05eb6f2ec2836a59c4902732e3e29&

[plain fossil]

Uh i dont mind taking air quality on charon axe apollo cast setups

If it shows up before ive done any upgrading of the apollo cast great i click it otherwise no big deal

[umbral wedge]

not quite as bursty, but less setup

[bleak night]

I generally prefer Hera on my Axe than Aphro nowadays

[umbral wedge]

why?

I always felt like hera was just worse apollo

[bleak night]

Earth Boon stacking with Demeter and Hephaestus + Hitch on enemies since I mostly play +3 enemy spawn vow and +3 enemy HP vow

[vapid grove]

jesus... chonos controls the pause screen....

[spare kite]

Hera is the 2nd highest % behind aphro anyways

[bleak night]

I'm able to clear rooms quickly and my damage on bosses is barely any different as if I was playing Aphro

The difference is kinda negligible in the long run

[vapid grove]

30 health no DD second phase.... I'm screwed

[bleak night]

Plus what makes Earth-stacking so good is I can start to care less about going in at the right time and just be in combat 24/7 since Coarse Grit allows me to facetank with no issues

if you find Heph, you can also get damage from your earth stack

I find Hera-Dem-Heph the best on Axe unless you're going for balls to the wall damage in lower fears

[spare kite]

How much you use the normal combo?

Cuz his infusion doesn't apply to omegas

[bleak night]

Fair bit when it comes to Chronos, I use a lot of stored windup dash into swing 1s before I omega since it does a lot of damage

When it comes to mob rooms, I do swings and cast keep-away to clear blue hearts and armour first, and the damage on it certainly helps

[spare kite]

I see I see
Blue hearts axe sounds miserable

[bleak night]

It's why I sometimes run Dem keepsake first

the cast is a good tool to have

[vapid grove]

does chronos have a 3rd phase?

[spare kite]

For now, no

[vapid grove]

i failed... but i did get him down to 30% or so

[bleak night]

You'll get him next time

[vapid grove]

first time getting to the second phase, think i did alright, thx

[plain fossil]

Chronos doesnt enrage like eris so if got him to 30% im sure u will finish him next time

[vapid grove]

[bleak night]

better than most of us did

I remember getting oneshot the first time around and not knowing why I took 1000 damage

[vapid grove]

real

[visual sundial]

So, does perfect image (in each encounter, deal more damage until you take damage) mean health damage or just until you get hit? Does armor taking armor damage count?

[spare kite]

The Latter iirc

[visual sundial]

oof

[umbral wedge]

I'll have to try it, I always felt like Hera was basically just worse apollo, but the earth stacking thing makes sense

[bleak night]

Hera's really good on attack, she's only second to Aphro in % damage bonuses

[umbral wedge]

I thought she was even with Apollo?

[bleak night]

Lemme grab the site for the raw numbers rq

[turbid hull]

Aphrodite has way bigger damage than Apollo

[umbral wedge]

no I mean hera apollo

[turbid hull]

hera's a bit better on attack

Apollo has 40/50/60/70 on attack and Hera has 50/60/70/80

[compact arrow]

Damn that's clean

[turbid hull]

However Apollo has 60/80/100/120 on Specials, while Hera has 60/70/80/90

[bleak night]

Apollo: 40/50/60/70 level 1, depending on rarity
Hera: 60/70/80/90 level 1, depending on rarity

Kinda massive difference there, especially considering Bridal Glow is also something you can get down the line to ensure your boons get Heroic before the final fight

[bleak night]

yeah, Apollo on specials is a different beast

[turbid hull]

Aphrodite Close Range specials are 100/150/200/250

[umbral wedge]

I must have been conflating the two

[turbid hull]

Hmmm Demeter's Specials scale really good with rarity

40/60/80/100

[compact arrow]

so what I understand is melee builds are op XD

[toxic grotto]

Can Chronos really channel his oneshot moves during death defiance time slowdown?

Seems kind of cheap to just instadie after death defiance because of rng 😂

[umbral wedge]

yep. also continues as normal during the hex slowdown animation

[turbid hull]

Time to datamine Hestia

[lusty heron]

Well he is time afterall

[toxic grotto]

yeah but I am stunned during death defiance

[lusty heron]

He also moves during hex windup

[umbral wedge]

he can also put the only safe spot on top of one of the hourglass monsters

[visual sundial]

But he does get slowed down by your right-click hold channel

[lusty heron]

He doesnt no ?

[visual sundial]

Seems like what slows him down and what doesn't is a bit arbitrary

[toxic grotto]

he definitely does not TT

[visual sundial]

Strange, why was he slowed down my last run?

[lusty heron]

Demeter ?

[acoustic sleet]

It is not fun.

[visual sundial]

I had apollo

[lusty heron]

Human error probably then

[acoustic sleet]

Honestly, Blue hearts in general is pretty iffy to deal with - there's a lot more stuff that's really potent on spawns, and gets neutered by blue hearts (Hera Cast looses it's main reason to be used, for instance)

[visual sundial]

I had someone watching me and I even turned to him and pointed out how he was moving slower during right-click wind-up but not during selene cast

[plain fossil]

Its actually exactly the same scaling as aph fyi its just all the numbers are smaller

[lusty heron]

Then file a bug report

[umbral wedge]

night all I gotta sleep

[turbid hull]

Yeah, it's the same scaling than a lot of stuff actually, but it's good because it's inconditional

[plain fossil]

It being conditional or not doesnt have a ton to do with how it scales with rarity

[turbid hull]

The combo inconditional + good scaling makes it good

and base value I guess

[plain fossil]

The scaling is the same as everything else its just the numbers are smaller because freeze is op

Like if u look at hera the scaling is the same and theres no condition its just the numbers are larger

[turbid hull]

Hera and Demeter special scaling isn't the same

[plain fossil]

P sure its 2111 same as everything else? Let me go look

[turbid hull]

Demeter has 1.0 / 1.5 / 2.0 / 2.5, Hera has 1.0 / 1.17 / 1.33 / 1.5

[turbid hull]

I'm talking about rarity scale

[plain fossil]

So am i

Demeter is 2111

Let me go look at hera

[turbid hull]

Unsure what you mean by 2111

[plain fossil]

Its the scaling

Demeter rarity scaling is 2/1/1/1 * a scalar, exactly the same as aph

I dont remember hera i dont click it very much so imma go look

[turbid hull]

Demeter Special is +40% / +60% / +80% / +100% and Hera Special is +60% / +70% / +80% / +90%

[plain fossil]

Oh hera is horrendous i didnt realize

[bitter pilot]

What's Hestias

[plain fossil]

Sigh it wouldnt be a day without getting automodded... hestia on special is 15/5/5/5 i think

[turbid hull]

Same scaling than Apollo but way smaller numbers iirc

[bitter pilot]

Sad

[turbid hull]

15 / 20 / 25 / 30

Apollo is 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 fyi

and Aph Close up Special is 100 / 150 / 200 / 250

[plain fossil]

In any case most of this is really only relevant for demeter and hera boons

Ur going to click whatevers available otherwise

[turbid hull]

hera's cast scaling is also stupid

[glossy rivet]

do u get more gold from taking more enemy vow

[turbid hull]

70 / 100 / 130 / 145

[plain fossil]

Hera cast has no scaling it does the same damage at every rarity unless ur speedrunning

1 blue shield

[turbid hull]

Well if you're not doing blue shields it has I'm mostly focusing on the math part

[glossy rivet]

@bleak night does hitch damage matter on axe spin or is it just origination + decent % atk

[bleak night]

It'll help you shred armour a lot easier, making mobs almost trivial.

[glossy rivet]

engagement ring funny for instakilling oceanus tiny bois and hecate adds on lower fears

[plain fossil]

Hitch damage matters a lot on spin yes it bursts down packs which is important on axe

[glossy rivet]

ima try getting hereditary bane and pom

[turbid hull]

does this have rarities?https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243545910739337347/image.png?ex=6651dde1&is=66508c61&hm=9a2c803aade6cf72c790bd073a0e405049151efba87cb8affd9f5410041b8af9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=331

[spare kite]

If it's anything like H1, you'll reach the gold cap quicker but no increased gold cap

[spice ibex]

Yes it does

[turbid hull]

It has no rarity data

[spice ibex]

I'm sure I got it rare alot

[turbid hull]

Do you have a picture?

[glossy rivet]

Some Hermes boons dont get increased rarity when i activate proper upbringing

[turbid hull]

Everyone seems to agree it has no other rarities than common atm

[glossy rivet]

Wait so does this mean hermes is almost always gonna brick uncommon grace lol

Cant even rarify it lol

[sudden scaffold]

never seen at anything other than common, the one that has rarities is poseidon's boon but that's a different story

and chaos' boon i guess

[spare kite]

Hermes stop being so different

[turbid hull]

That's only this boon though, I have yet to find another Common-locked in Hermes' kit

[glossy rivet]

Rush delivery 2 when sgg???

[spare kite]

They are cowards for removing RD I tell you

[glossy rivet]

Jolted 2 prayer

[spare kite]

Shoals 2 prayer

[turbid hull]

I'm confused now

[tall notch]

I'm glad rush delivery combo is gone. It was OP

[turbid hull]

Any Hades 1 pro to explain me what it was

[spare kite]

+Dmg based on movement speed

[turbid hull]

Or is it a previous Hades 2 thing?

[turbid hull]

damn

[bleak night]

a boon that boosted your movement speed immensely for a short duration + a boon that increased your damage based on your bonus movement speed

[turbid hull]

Uh yeah that's very strong

[spare kite]

The funniest part wasn't the rush delivery combo alone

It was the fact that movement speed was multiplicative, and you could buy ichors (+20% speed) for 10 coins at charon wells

[visual sundial]

just beat chronos again and I've looked at him for as long as I could, he did move slower while I was holding either Q and right click

[glossy rivet]

So, its the same kind of hex as phase shift.

[vapid grove]

is there a max grasp?

[celest swallow]

30

[glossy rivet]

30

[vapid grove]

k

[celest swallow]

and going from 29->30 is a lot more expensive (1000 psyche, 3 shadow, 3 darkness)

[glossy rivet]

Man whyd they make artificer 6 grasp

[vapid grove]

bruh 1000! crazy

[spare kite]

Just have frinos do its thing

[toxic grotto]

I keep visiting chaos and I never get darkness

[vapid grove]

honestly the only thing frinos is useful for...

[celest swallow]

and if you bring the upgraded tablet along with him, even more shades spawn and you get extra psyche per shade

[spare kite]

Shot blocking good

[celest swallow]

so you can get what you need pretty quickly

[ember frigate]

which god is good for omega attack with aspect or artemis

[toxic grotto]

Cannot believe this level of slander against best boi

[spare kite]

Also you are gonna visit chaos for darkness anyways so you'll prob see discovery a lot for psyche

[vapid grove]

i can't seem to utilize it properly in the midst of combat

[toxic grotto]

I have well over 1000 psyche but only 1 darkness 😂

[spare kite]

I mainly use it vs Hec's hex or you know who upstairs

[celest swallow]

Chaos does a little trolling (do not respond, they are amused)

[toxic grotto]

Aphrodite for max dmg, maybe demeter if you prefer safe

[vapid grove]

how? i've tried...

[spare kite]

I just stand behind him

[celest swallow]

just position Frinos between you and the projectile

[toxic grotto]

I shudder to think how powerful frinos is

He just eats that hex and gives zero you know whats

[spare kite]

Also having grandpa run into frinos when he has the time orbs spinning is nice

[celest swallow]

plus the extra health is nice any time you're not specifically looking to use antler

[split igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243550685644062745/1243550777721622608/received_1141988373588536.png?ex=6651e269&is=665090e9&hm=50d824172cc884cb07ea3310efe5a8fc4b05c9d6a2c8c4619d3a1936aeb29a89&

[ionic lily]

man, spiteful strength is well named, because it always only appears in tartarus when I'm going for it

[split igloo]

Got lucky at the last shop and got special knives.

Game got a lot harder when I upped the enemy speed

[celest swallow]

random but funny testament to its reliability: was running momus last night on a fun run and the only main boon i really got offered was poseidon special, literally ended with just that and a bunch of secondary boons and no useful hammers, that was certainly something

[split igloo]

Poseidon special really is something else

Only other special I ended up using was hera's since she always gives one with higher levels everytime I pick her

[glossy rivet]

AHOY THERE NEFFIUUUUU
oh sorry i mean NIIIIIISSSSS

[celest swallow]

actually, to be fair: i had the "specials have more power and are faster" hammer until the anvil at the last shop, which then rerolled that one into two attack and/or omega hammers and i was manaless with no attack boon

and my other hammer besides that was double attack because every offer was useless for the build, so i had nothing useful in the end

[split igloo]

Opposite for me, up until tartarus I got the useless attack hammers. Then I got the switch and I had what I needed

[celest swallow]

that sounds nice! this felt like the universe wanted to do a bit and i was just like "okay bet let's see this"

[tall notch]

Does Momus remind anyone else of playing cookie clicker?

[celest swallow]

and of course it still cleared lol

[split igloo]

Maybe I should bind my special to left click whenever I go momus

For the real cookie clicker experience

[tall notch]

Do itt

[celest swallow]

spamming special on Y on steam deck so that you match the energy i had during that run of "Y is this happening, Y do i keep going, just Y"

[tall notch]

Meanwhile axe mains are playing smash bros with all the crazy combos

[celest swallow]

yep my next run after that was mel axe for full on fighting game combo changeup

[left yew]

ah yes my crazy combo of holding spin button the whole run

[celest swallow]

needed to feel something

[oak zephyr]

Is the summoning of historic travails worth unlocking or should I try to hoard my zsand?

[tall notch]

There's not that many ways of spending it, might as well go for it once you can pause on Chronos and have the judgement arcana

[oak zephyr]

Yeah I think I might work towards being able to pause during Chronos first

That is more important than run stats for me

[tall notch]

Oh yeah go for the pause first

[oak zephyr]

The only reason I didnt go for that first first was because I knew the extra death defiance would be helpful

[left yew]

speaking of, is there even a reason to use judgement? it feels like it's far too random to unlock anything decent and it would just make your earlygame far worse. I guess if you get decently lucky it can give you an amazing run but I never feel like I would need that many arcana, especially if they only activate late

[spare kite]

Funny

[stable herald]

judgment was great when the crystal figurine activated it on Hecate 😙 👌

[tall notch]

Memes

[spare kite]

The real judgement strat is start an entire new file and only unlock the cards you want so judgement only procs those

[glossy rivet]

true rng W

[spare kite]

Also is good to get the "clear with each card once" prophecy

[tall notch]

The speedrunner save files need to stop

I'm already feeling discouraged to push higher with antler because I can't do antler optimally without using that centaur-less save

And I want to get all the records in my actual save

[spare kite]

They are doing centaurless saves?

[tall notch]

Yeah

[spare kite]

For leaderboards I wonder if it'll get the fishing rod treatment for 1.0

(in H1 not unlocking the rod makes your wells slightly better but nobody does cuz 1, is a pain and 2, console players don't have easy access to saves)

[brittle grotto]

So is hell splitter for the moon axe supposed to make you able to attack during your Omega ?

[sturdy trail]

Mm if I remember correctly isn’t hell splitter the big chop?

[brittle grotto]

Yeah

I can dash and attack normally while the spin is active

[sturdy trail]

You’ve probably got another hammer, I think it’s called Psychic Whirlwind?

[left yew]

isn't that psychic whirlwind

nevermind already said

[brittle grotto]

I've seen it before but no

[sturdy trail]

All good, you just confirmed what I wasn’t remembering 100%

[sturdy trail]

You sure? My next guess would be Icarus keepsake

[left yew]

maybe it's a bug?

[brittle grotto]

Oooh that might be it

[sturdy trail]

Ironic coming from Cell

[brittle grotto]

Hehe

[sturdy trail]

Yeah there’s usually a little sneaky something or other when it comes to that, did you have his keepsake?

[brittle grotto]

I did^^

[sturdy trail]

Mystery solved 😎

[stable sable]

I got killed because my death defiance animation took too long for me to avoid Chronos' instant kill

Fair and deserved death, thank you very much game

Chronos can seriously do some BS in his fights

Or maybe I just suck, I however choose to believe that the former is the case

[merry flint]

What weapon

[stable sable]

Staff, but what does that matter?

[spare kite]

I mean yeah the overlaps are dumb lol

[stable sable]

Quite honestly I was getting kind of carried by having 25% dodge chance nonetheless

[spare kite]

Suck + insta kill/clock hands

[merry flint]

Im just curious hats all

[stable sable]

But in exchange for that I suffered having literally no damage on my special at all

And i was trolled by the game on both of my hammers

[merry flint]

I got time frozen instakill, dd freeze instakill and awkward sprint drift instakill today

[stable sable]

To be frank I quite honestly find the game to not be very fun at fear 20 or above anymore

[spare kite]

Mood, I'm just gonna be patient till at least EM equivalent is added

[cursive oyster]

agh but then i cant cheese it with double moonshot wave flourish

[spare kite]

There'll always be a new broken combo

[stable sable]

Especially since for example in Oceanus there are so many things going on at the same time that more enemies or higher damage taken quite literally can be the death of you because, personally I will never be able to track the steam vents, the water shots, the AOE shots from the serpents AND the tons of birds chasing you down in almost every room at once

Like I'm sorry but quite honestly Oceanus is just a hot mess and is hell for keeping track of what is going on

I usually feel like large parts of the room are basically locked off in Oceanus because theres just too many things either blocking off the part of the room itself or blocking off the way to a safe spot in the room

[cursive oyster]

now i wanna take the +60% enemies vow just to see oceanus

[stable sable]

Water spouts, steam vents, birds, lamiae and what else have you is honestly just too much going on at once

[stable sable]

What does EM stand for?

[spare kite]

Extreme measures/boss changes pact

[stable sable]

Could you remind me what that system does again? I honestly didn't put all too much playtime into the first game.

[midnight gate]

Harder bosses with new moves

[spare kite]

^ stuff like all furies at once/Lernie gets an smaller arena-free reign/Theseus gets a gun

[bleak night]

Was Lernie actually any harder or did they just make the battlefield layout different ?

[spare kite]

Last phase Lernie gets free movement

[bleak night]

oh, huh

[stable sable]

"Theseus gets a gun" out of context sounds too funny to me

"For his neutral special, Theseus wields a G U N"

[bleak night]

They also kinda give Asterius the tutorial on how to beyblade

[stable sable]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-persona-persona5-gun-neutral-special-gif-17517633

[spare kite]

I wanna wait for the EM equivalent vow cuz it was pretty much free 6 heat once practiced enough

And also cuz the changes are gonna be exciting

[stable sable]

To be frank I will simply farm nightmares via bones for now I guess

[cursive oyster]

em1: the witches shoot sheep curses

[blissful wren]

eris wielding a gun is wild too, doing a hundred damage from off screen is crazy

[spare kite]

Eris is not as funny with the gun

[stable sable]

I don't think I can force myself through many further attempts at fear 20+ without checking myself into a closed mental health institute

[spare kite]

Is crazy cuz is the gun you used

[zenith bolt]

you can also supplement bone farm for nightmare with saving 1300 gold every run for final shop (sometimes charon sells a nightmare)

[civic ocean]

You just get better at it

[stable sable]

Brother I've attempted like fifty runs with it

[spare kite]

What even are the vows you are using btw

[civic ocean]

Yeah so do five hundred

[stable sable]

I've decided it's a sign from the gods for me to give up

[bleak night]

Can you post your vow setup

[stable sable]

Uhhh sure

[bleak night]

You might be doing the really difficult ones

[stable sable]

Also ever since I turned on 20 heat I have failed to find a single hammer that actually interacts with whatever build I'm aiming for

[merry flint]

I found my 20/24 fear attempts to be generally okay its just hades 2 being hades 2

[ionic lily]

as someone who is very skill issued and 20+ fear is about the max I can clear semi-regularly, the strength arcana helps a lot

[merry flint]

Except when i was doing staff i went from 16 to 32 just to save time because momus is just that good and i got a double moonshot hammer in room 1 on my 2nd attempt

[blissful wren]

If they make arcana flippable and add stubborn defiance, strength would become a lot better

[cursive oyster]

real

[civic ocean]

You can do this on every weapon it's just that it'd more obvious and apparent what makes Momus or Pan pop off

[sturdy trail]

I was having a lot of trouble too, but it turns out I was using a rough combo of Vows.

[zenith bolt]

stubborn defiance would literally never come off for me

[spare kite]

Give us lc4 stubborn strats again sgg

[sturdy trail]

I also refused to touch the timer I was petrified. Now I do the 7 min version and it’s pretty easy actually, always lots of spare time

[stable sable]

Blood,Haunting, Wandering, Fury, Forsaking, Arrogance, Destitution,all of them being at their highest rank

[tall notch]

You have lc4 armor stack strats now 🙂

[zenith bolt]

fury 2 i dont recommend for 20 unless you're already used to it

imo +speed is just something you never turn off after you get used to it

[stable sable]

The problem is that fury gives a lot of fear, and otherwise I'd have to probably reenable some other fear modifiers which I really dont like

For example Vow Of Commotion

[civic ocean]

I think a really easy change that would make everything feel a lot less overwhelming for you to turn off blood and turn on 7 minute timer and 1 level each of Commotion and Dominance

[blissful wren]

Vow of Blood effectively halves your health for 5 fear, its not worth

[civic ocean]

You could also go for Scars II which I think is pretty good to use

[sturdy trail]

When I didn’t know what I was doing I may have been running +100% dmg with 300% dmg on first hit taken

[zenith bolt]

i forget what my usual setup is for fear

[zenith bolt]

we love taking a billion damage every room

[merry flint]

I avoid speed and timer vows means a lot more run away strats can come about

[sturdy trail]

Slayyyyyyy. And I did clear things.. sometimes…

[civic ocean]

Blood and Suffering maxed followed by triple earths is a legit thing I think

[broken pier]

Does anyone know if the gentle caress duo works with the 300% dmg first taken fear?

[merry flint]

60+ minute clear is still a clear but a 14 minute death isnt

[zenith bolt]

suffering is only tolerable with heph imo

[broken pier]

do you just heal 3x first dmg?

[sturdy trail]

What’s the actual effect? Oh, that one, I would assume yes.

The games logic is pretty fair

[zenith bolt]

i doubt soft caress works

[merry flint]

First time you take damage it heals you

[civic ocean]

I don't think soft caress works but trusty shield does

[zenith bolt]

afaik vow of suffering only activates when you actually take damage the first time

[cursive oyster]

first time you actually take damage, not first time you would have taken damage sadly

[broken pier]

dang

[zenith bolt]

so armor yes, barriers no, soft caress probably no

[spare kite]

Iirc someone tested it already and yeah nah, no boosted healing

[sturdy trail]

mmmmm I mean, does the duo have a dmg block feature?

Cause he would be taking dmg, dmg triggers the boon.

I wish there was a place you could set up boons and stuff to test it without interference

[cursive oyster]

again, first time the damage actually happens

[civic ocean]

But yeah I think very easy way to do 20 fear a bit easier for you would be to cut Blood entirely, and do Scars II and Desperation II

[sturdy trail]

Have you tested this or just inferring?

[broken pier]

I'm still struggling with 16 on daggers and axe (lol still at 1 fear on torches, I hate that weapon)

[lament kestrel]

what duos would be good for pan daggers

[stable sable]

Well the thing is, many of my clears have taken 40 Minutes or more, so I'm not sure I would manage to outrun the timer Vow

[zenith bolt]

you can knock out the 16 and 24 testaments at the same time for blades by just putting on 24 fear pre-emptively

[broken pier]

wait whaaat? you get all of them at the same time? that can't be right, cause the reqs are different boss runs, doesn't it flop sides between intervals?

[sturdy trail]

Man… lemme put you on.

Than Axe, you go full Zeus cast build.

The aspect scales its crit off any omega move including casts, and each hit from big Z’s lighting bolt increases your crit! I melted Chronos on Fear 24 with axe after many failures with other builds

[civic ocean]

You would have to play fast but even in that case you could just run scars II and 1 each of shield revs and hp, or 1 each of blood hp and shields or smth

[timber pawn]

If you want to just chill where you're at that's totally fine, but you could kind of examine why clears are taking you 40+ mins. There's stuff you could do like pausing while you're making shop decisions or room decisions, if you usually don't

[zenith bolt]

the 16 and the 24 at the same time
i specifically said this

[timber pawn]

Making enemies easier by taking timer fear instead of enemy buff fear will also speed things up

[stable sable]

Also to be quite honest I am rather reliant on the healing Arcana card so I'm not sure I would be able to fully handle halved healing

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml# some off meta stuff for Pan and a good build for Charon axe in there, good starting points

[blissful wren]

it goes 16 to 20

[zenith bolt]

16/blades is hecate, iirc. 24/blades is chronos, and testaments update immediately after you finish one. thus, you can finish the 16 fear testament on a 24 fear run, and then go beat chronos and get that testament too

[zenith bolt]

on axe, skull, and staff, yes. on torches and blades, it's 24

[sturdy trail]

When I was looking at my runs I saw 30 minutes on a lot of them “no way I’ll make the time”

But I spent a lot of time dilly dallying, not pausing when thinking of what room to take, if you just do timer and no other gear you’ll see how fast it is. Just pause when you’re thinking so the timer stops

[stable sable]

That's simple, because I suck

[civic ocean]

Yeah see like what Bismuth Cromweld said you are finding 20 fear really hard because you are not using like 5 fear or so of things that don't impact you that much and then you have to fight gigachad enemies

[timber pawn]

I mean that's kind of reductive right, there are probably specific things going on that could be examined and changed but it's kinda up to you if you want to do that

[civic ocean]

Fighting Fury II Blood III Chronos is like

Very very hard

[zenith bolt]

pov: 60 damage boomerang at mach 5

[timber pawn]

But ultimately if you're not having fun at 20+ then there's no reason to ruin the experience for yourself

[stable sable]

Oh I was mostly joking but I do often forget to make use of my casts, specials, or basically any attack that isn't the main focus of my current build

How bad is Fury 1 really?

[timber pawn]

I get ya, there's a lot of things to keep track of for sure

[stable sable]

Is Fury 1 nearly as bad as Fury 2?

[civic ocean]

Fury is almost entirely a getting used to it thing

[bleak night]

Fury 2 at this point feels normal to me now

[mystic bison]

Can you get testaments out of order? Let me explain what I mean, I was afraid of trying this in case it bugs my game - say if you have one weapon at 1 fear and you do a 20/24 fear underworld run - can you get all the underworld testaments up to Kronos leaving only Poly/Eris for a lower fear level?

[zenith bolt]

i don't think so

[bleak night]

You gotta kinda get used to the enemies being 40% faster, so when you do it without, instead of thinking "Ah, back to normal", you think "Why is everything slower"

[sturdy trail]

Is fury the speed one? +20% really isn’t bad. 40% gave me some owies though

[zenith bolt]

you have to get the testaments in order for the weapon, but if two are possible in the same run (as with blades 16 and 24) you can do that

[timber pawn]

40% boomerangs are brutal though even when you're used to it lol

[mystic bison]

Yeah I know about that

[bleak night]

True, yeah

[stable sable]

I've made some adjustments to my fear setupsn according to your advice and I'll see if I fare any better in my runs from here onward

[glossy rivet]

yo is scorch the only thing that air quality really makes broken strong? feels like most other dot ticks still do over or close to 30 damage anyway

[timber pawn]

Good luck gamer, we believe in you

[civic ocean]

40% phase 2 enrage chronos is legitimately like super hard to not get hit

[sturdy trail]

Scorch needs work, if you’re gonna use it, best to go for the 2 curse +50% more than anything

[timber pawn]

At high fear I think you just hope you have enough burst to not deal with it. Or moros keepsake charge

[cursive oyster]

whats the best fear setup for 32 momus

[sturdy trail]

*3 insta dashes in a row *

[glossy rivet]

i also use origination in most builds too

[zenith bolt]

mfw im chillin in p2 and then chronos slams me into an enclosing ring and i take 100+ damage on the spot

[civic ocean]

Static Shock, Support fire, Cyclones, Scorch pretty much

Also if you're using like the Mel Staff and don't take a special it will set your specials to 30

Or like the axe special etc

[tall notch]

Chronos overlaps when he's sped up are something else

[blissful wren]

if u have low rarity artemis arrows, P splash or torch attack or dagger special it upgrades those a little but cant think if much elese

[timber pawn]

While 5 adds are on screen and clock hands flying and maybe some orbs lol

[sturdy trail]

Haelian put out a guide for it, I don’t like him that much but he knows the game well

[tall notch]

He's such a mmo raid boss

[zenith bolt]

or you misstep and land on a clock hand and take 60 + a stun instantly

[civic ocean]

Yeah the clock hands get me a lot

[timber pawn]

I honestly felt like they took inspiration from ffxiv raiding for boss design. Both cerb and chronos

[glossy rivet]

ah yes
the endangered art of support fire

[sturdy trail]

Oop, now you’re stuck in a Hourglass trap :) BOOMERANG!

[civic ocean]

I am pretty terrible at that fight

[mystic bison]

What is the base 0 fear dmg on the big clock hand? Gotta be around 40

[blissful wren]

more like instakill

[zenith bolt]

i categorize chronos attacks into 2 types: chronos-focused and arena-focused

[timber pawn]

I want to say like 20s? But it stuns

[tall notch]

Suck into aoe all over the ground is literally stuff I had to deal with in world of warcraft mythic raiding lol

[sturdy trail]

25-30 for raw Boom Boom

[zenith bolt]

arena attacks only exist in phase 2 (enclosing rings, instant kills, clock hands) and the rest are chronos himself

[heavy flame]

Is axe special bugged? doesn't trigger my arcana card slowdown when I channel it

[timber pawn]

Right it felt very familiar

[zenith bolt]

not a bug

[timber pawn]

By design, because it has a block element to it

[sturdy trail]

If Chronos wasn’t so deadly I couldn’t take him seriously as a boss

[civic ocean]

Any omegas that deal damage while they charge (torch attack, axe special) don't slow time

[mystic bison]

my setup https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1243579753441529917/Screenshot_4066.png?ex=6651fd65&is=6650abe5&hm=b282478a85746f6e778fce6a57f54c69c192e2d863ff008029b7d571d6d05280&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

[civic ocean]

I do think I want to try turning Blood and Suffering way up and play heph start blades though

[zenith bolt]

skip to 2:10 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238278614336667719/1242401411732344883/32_fear_chronos_axe.mp4?ex=6651a87b&is=665056fb&hm=1df85f39aa571820f438d2d3d9805783b9c358fc72a20b411c569be425900699&

vow of blood damage is raw

[devout jungle]

@civic ocean if you are going for 32-32+ heat with Charon axe, wouldn't Demeter on attack be a bit antisynergistic since they can't walk into the solar ring? Or is that something that barely matters and the Erebus clear makes it worth

[broken pier]

Does the fury speed increase cast projectile counts? the worm guys were shooting like 5-7 when its normally 3

[timber pawn]

I think it was my charon axe run where I had a fresh dd and got frozen in p2, and then took like a full 3 piece combo and lost it instantly lol

[tranquil pebble]

whats best way to use the axe feel like its weapon i struggle with most

[timber pawn]

It shouldn't, just faster, so it could feel like more

[blissful wren]

lol

[sturdy trail]

Yesssssssssss, it’s a bit of a pain. Trying to out path Hecates hex on 40 is rough, I have to try to line Fri Fri up early to eat it

[timber pawn]

Apollo attack spin to win, since Apollo gives you significantly more range. Or demeter for freeze can be nice

[sturdy trail]

Than Axe, Zeus cast build 😎

[broken pier]

wait the frog walls projectiles?

[timber pawn]

Sure does

[zenith bolt]

yeah that's his main function

[silver tiger]

Do you know what kind of things can make a boon disappear? I was making my way easily through Tartarus, and then against Chronos... suddenly I realize I've run out of mana... b/c I don't have Born Gain anymore somehow, I don't believe I did a boon sacrifice, and I had no other way of obtaining mana

[broken pier]

I switched to the cat as soon as i got him lol I didn't know that xD

[civic ocean]

Yes and no, you can do a big swing to freeze them then set up the bomb, but yes, it is also mostly just because if you don't get a first hammer Sudden Cleaver, enemies on 40% speed can close on you from outside your cast before you get the dunk off so I use Ice Strike Spin to handle them for the first 2 biomes

(I usually end up burning Ice Strike for Tranquil Gain though sadly)

[sturdy trail]

Frinos? Yeah! He can eat projectiles all day, well, they more just hit his body, but he does remove them

[zenith bolt]

hestia's Burnt Offering can delete a boon, but otherwise idk

[timber pawn]

Sacrifice boons or an obscure glitch. Did you take 'boon from previous night' from echo that run

[silver tiger]

yes I took Echo's previous night offering

[mystic bison]

It's not even the speed of the hex that is annoying but the fact that she spawns adds and starts attacking while you are dodging - a lot of cases you either become a sheep or get hit by projectiles - or both

[timber pawn]

It probably gave you a sacrifice boon, or the zeus/hera duo

[stable sable]

What are the demeter boon requirements for her and aphrodite's duo boon?

[devout jungle]

Ah yeah.. the setup for the duos can be pretty annoying

[broken pier]

I've got myself with that one or echo boon from last night eating a curse.

It ate my 20% buff for each element when it gave me the non-common buff one

[stable sable]

Can someone list them for me so I can choose the right boon real quick lol

[sturdy trail]

Those ground/hex/explosions she does are FAST on 40!

[silver tiger]

oooooh that's probably it, in the store right before Chronos I got the Zeus Hera duo, had no idea it was deleting my born gain

[civic ocean]

Very satisfying when it does come together though

We were just talking about Fury II Blood III Chronos and I think when you get the combo off that's one build that makes him a cakewalk

[timber pawn]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[broken pier]

Yeah u gotta pay close attention with those

[stable sable]

NVM I ended up just taking her special

[timber pawn]

Ya, gotta read carefully

[mystic bison]

Yep King's ransom deletes all Hera boons (what a lovely marriage)

[stable sable]

Thank you for the link nonetheless

[sturdy trail]

Woulda done it but I’m in bed lol

[zenith bolt]

queen's ransom deletes all of zeus'

[broken pier]

suuuper handy tyty

[sturdy trail]

Equality

[zenith bolt]

most stable couple

[mystic bison]

Fr

[blissful wren]

thats the goddess of marriage for ya

[sturdy trail]

Patroclus I miss you and your guaranteed DDs :(

[silver tiger]

yup, ok so that was a big ooopsadoodle that lost me the run

[zenith bolt]

hera/heph conversations are basically just hera being the world's greatest hater

[sturdy trail]

Are you really even playing Hades 2 if you don’t brick your run at some point?

[zenith bolt]

bricking my axe spin run bc i put on icarus keepsake and get marauder slash

[mystic bison]

While not 100% guaranteed Echo does offer them fairly regularly if you died I feel

[timber pawn]

I have had numerous runs die via not getting the DDs from echo lol

[silver tiger]

yeah, especially madenning when I do it literally at the shopkeeper in front of Chrons, at leat I had money for a nightmare so not all was lost

[sturdy trail]

She does, and I love her, but not always. I can have zero DDs and she’ll offer me a Pom

[timber pawn]

They definitely seem rarer than h1

[civic ocean]

My recent 32 Persephone skull run died to getting walled out by echo sadge

[silver tiger]

I also don't quite get the "Fear" logic, I thought I was doing a run with enough fear to get drops, but there were none

[timber pawn]

I've done this twice on a 32 fear run

[zenith bolt]

if i spend DDs it's either at chronos or like first 5 rooms of the run

[bleak night]

What were you going for ?

[timber pawn]

Probably just DDs lol

[sturdy trail]

Pick weapon, meet fear requirement, kill specified boss

[civic ocean]

Air Fryer and I got it

I just played really bad and died 3 times in Erebus/Oceanus

[mystic bison]

I feel like even Charon wells also sell DD's way less often than in Hades 1

[silver tiger]

hmmm, I did the first two parts, maybe my specified boss was Crhonos? But don't know how to check

[sturdy trail]

Well, maybe they’re in short supply on account of… well everything

[zenith bolt]

charon sells DDs?

[civic ocean]

In the last shop he will very rarely

[timber pawn]

Final shop or the wells

[zenith bolt]

yeah i know the wells have a thing

[sturdy trail]

It’ll always be in the picture when you’re picking your vows. Maybe you were meant to go up

[mystic bison]

I didn't even know the final shop sells those

Nemesis can also give you a DD even if you are full so you can't pick it up

[civic ocean]

It's like 1 in 10 I wanna say

[silver tiger]

ooooh, ok i had no idea that I should be interpreting the pictures

[broken pier]

lol I got my 8 fear run on aphro spin axe because circe ate my timer at 37 seconds left xD

[zenith bolt]

nemesis giving me a DD when i'm full on them

nemesis giving me barriers

[sturdy trail]

Yeah that’s the “Target” once you’ve killed them, you get your reward. Gotta finish the run though, can’t quit or give up, but even if you fail the nightmare is yours

[timber pawn]

I got nem barriers yesterday and immediately ate 3 projectiles from the spitters in the next room lol

[sturdy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/futurenostlgia-laughing-gif-7903446801176097213

[silver tiger]

yeah I got some nightmares in previous runs, but I didn't understand the logic of when it was dropped

[civic ocean]

There were at least 3 times on stream yesterday where I was like "okay we're good just don't take damage" and then immediately took like 30+

[timber pawn]

I did like 3 moros attempts yesterday and tilted off the planet

[sturdy trail]

Yeah you got it now

Kill THIS guy
With THIS weapon
On THIS level of fear

[timber pawn]

By contrast I 1 attempted my than axe 32 before starting Moros lol

[sturdy trail]

Torches make me tilt so hard

[timber pawn]

Eos is good, moros is... Something

[zenith bolt]

"ah tartarus has been nice to me this run, maybe ill take this trial of the gods chamber"

the 7 waves of mobs with an angry hestia fireball chasing me the entire fight:

[silver tiger]

thanks!

[civic ocean]

I think I gotta turn blood down and just play with revs and or shields man double dmg chronos sucks so bad

[zenith bolt]

yeah but playing with revs means playing with revs

[timber pawn]

I don't do 100 blood, ya. I just try and shoe horn 5 min timer into everything

[civic ocean]

Real tbh

[timber pawn]

It's worked in a lot of cases

[sturdy trail]

So much fun when they skate across the floor to the other side of the map 😒

[civic ocean]

Altho I kinda wanna do heph start with blood suffering and timer all maxed

[bleak night]

@zenith bolt you free btw ?

[zenith bolt]

wym

[civic ocean]

And just rush shield and go CG

[sturdy trail]

Ayo

[civic ocean]

Ooooh its a date

[zenith bolt]

free as in "can i chat and stuff", yes. free as in "can i use my computer" no

[sturdy trail]

Mynt and Pajama kissing in a tree

[timber pawn]

Ya I might try like hera into heph moros today, with max 1st hit

[silver tiger]

huh, I logged in and checked.... and I actually have no idea what I'm looking at

[sturdy trail]

Post a pic

[silver tiger]

As in the fear chart is there, there's a picture but I don't understand it

[silver tiger]

is that allowed on this discord?

[civic ocean]

The problem is like do I make a guide for that

"Well kids if you don't get trusty shield, just don't let the 40% faster enemies hit you, easy!"

[sturdy trail]

Post the pic in your own server, copy link, paste

[timber pawn]

Lol, maybe it's just a footnote option 'you can add this fear and die accidentally until you get trusty shield'

[silver tiger]

#765020507233058878 message

[sturdy trail]

Mm, make sure you’re copying the link of the picture, not a link of the msg

[civic ocean]

I think that trip earths with the damage fears turned up like must be good

That's like 9 fear that you take off the board or smth

[silver tiger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/765020507233058878/1243584482918006895/Zrzut_ekranu_2024-05-24_171832.png?ex=665201cd&is=6650b04d&hm=cee736827dd8445760e5fe501664421891548a335e94dc3c31caabb53f33f4ec&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=337&height=342

[stable sable]

WOW Of course I get natural selection on the LAST ROOM of Fields

[timber pawn]

Right, for sure

[stable sable]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-krill-world-krill-lobster-lobster-fried-krill-fried-gif-7150912747510295957

[timber pawn]

Ya thats all correct, use staff, have 4 fear on, kill cyclops

[silver tiger]

oh I finally got it Cyclops

[sturdy trail]

Kill Poly (He lives on surface) with the staff on 4 fear

[silver tiger]

would you believe me that I could not for the life of me interpret what I was looking at? I guess that's the problem with one-eyed faces

[zenith bolt]

technically polyphemus is 0-eyed

[sturdy trail]

He doesn’t even have an eye 😭 it’s a blind fold with an eye painted on, poor guy

[civic ocean]

Just wait for EM

[timber pawn]

No I get it haha, it's not the most intuitive

[sturdy trail]

I like talking to Poly he’s funny and I like his accent

[silver tiger]

now that I get it, I get it, but it still takes a second for my perception to shuffle into place

[civic ocean]

Oh also that run that Echo didn't give me the DDs was a Korbsing and I actually almost pulled it off

Do we have a record somewhere of all 32+ wins with Selene starts?

[timber pawn]

My medea run actually had Selene start

Carried by medea actually being strong

Unlike Moros lol

[stable sable]

Maybe it's just me but I can never get Revaal (the Skull) to melt bosses nearly as good as other weapons

[sturdy trail]

Skull is… skull.

[zenith bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-skull-emoji-skull-reaction-skull-emoji-irl-skull-reaction-irl-gif-24903642

melinoe when using skull

[sturdy trail]

Kinda want Reval to talk, she’s kinda shy

[timber pawn]

Hidden skull aspect is just Skelly