h2-builds-and-combat

[civic ocean]

Me pet theory is that the best player at SGG is a Hex spammer so thats why Hexes are weaker

Coldshade mentioned that that's Darren so now anytimr we get floor 1 Selene we yell DARREN KORB

[brave owl]

isnt Darren the music director? or no

[civic ocean]

Yeah

[tall notch]

Why cost 5 mana if can cost 70 mana

[brave owl]

oh ok cool.

[tall notch]

Yes and he is also the best Hades speedrunner on the team, or at least used to be

[shadow marsh]

Does that mean every time I transform with Darkside I'm legally obligated to say "It's Korbin' time"?

[civic ocean]

Yes

[brave owl]

supergiant put music tuts on their youtube channel of him teaching you how to play a couple of the regular zone music tracks on guitar. The cool part is he said he composed and performed it on some Turkish string instrument i've never heard of but showing it on guitar since thats what most people have. That's bad phucking ass

[steady yoke]

question- is there any possible way to avoid the sheep curse in the hecate fight in the beginning? just curious

[shadow marsh]

Dash through it

[tall notch]

For ranged builds blocking it with frog is most consistent

[civic ocean]

Yes! You can dash through it about 6 times or so, and then you unlock a way to deal with it

[brazen ore]

easy if you have frinos. if not, yeah just dash through it

[brave owl]

Dash to avoid

[steady yoke]

ohhh

[brave owl]

How you get frog to block it?

[tall notch]

I still can't get the dash thing consistent on +40% speed

[steady yoke]

yeah frinos doesnt eat it most of my runs :( ty yall i feel very silly

[plain fossil]

u dont need to dash through it until it expires even if u dont have frinos - u can kite it into one of the adds

[civic ocean]

Does anyone else yell FRINOOOOS really loudly when they forget and get sheeped

[brave owl]

Just be lucky with your positioning?

[brazen ore]

sometimes i time it wrong and still end up next to her in a bad spot and get sheeped nonetheless. you do usually have to lead it to frinos

[steady yoke]

what does kite it mean?

[plain fossil]

it follows u

[brazen ore]

frinos is not the most proactive of blockers

[brave owl]

Run around and dash when it gets close to tou @rex

[tall notch]

You can sprint and lead the projectile to your frog. Or position around him

[brave owl]

Ohhh ok cool.

[civic ocean]

Or if you're like 1 hp just facetank it and die

[tired fulcrum]

hey me too

[plain fossil]

she has special dialogue if u kite the projectile into frinos and different special dialogue if u kite it into an add

[brave owl]

Btw I’m going to attempt to cover one of the siren songs on my YT channel at some point.

[steady yoke]

ty yall!!

[brave owl]

At least the heavy guitar parts that is. I don’t sing.

[brazen ore]

i kinda like hopping around as a sheep a little bit

[tall notch]

When I'm running cat at 40% speed without projectile speed reduction I'll literally just run straight into it so that I'm transformed at my own terms and it expires faster

[civic ocean]

Its kinda lame you cannot turn her into a sheep in response

[brave owl]

Lolol

[plain fossil]

so do i, getting hit late by sheep is the worst because all the adds are out

[brave owl]

Like yea biiishh how you like it?? I’m a witch too!!

[brazen ore]

yea i want to be sheeped in a nice quiet corner and bounce around a little bit

then we can continue our fight

[plain fossil]

also polyphemus should eat his own adds if u sheep them with hex

[tall notch]

Also uh total eclipse at +40% speed seems to require perfect iframing because the sheep can't get out of them in time

[brave owl]

I saw him eat a sheep one time but haven’t ever seen it again I don’t think

[civic ocean]

You should be able to turn him into a sheep and change his perspective

[plain fossil]

polyphemus grabs sheep all the time if u let him

[brazen ore]

he has different kinds of sheep and he doesnt eat all of them

[plain fossil]

if he grabs a nonwhite sheep he complains about it, says something about sheep being weird

[brave owl]

Pro tip: when the weapon you don’t like that gives bone bonus shows up, go and run a trial so you get a new one after trial is done.

[civic ocean]

I swear I've seen him eat a black sleep and take dmg

[plain fossil]

he eats green sheep and says something negative i forget what

[naive light]

Descura - Melinoë Aspect (Maxed)
Double Omega Attack
Freeze Attack +60% DMG
Artemis Bonus Omega Damage after Dashing +20
Mean Streak +2% per foe slain
Cast Damage Bonus
and a bunch of other things resulting in

200%+ Damage for Omega attack x 2 for Double Omega Attack = GODLY DAMAGE, I beat Eris in less than 20 seconds...

"I killed them. I killed them all. And not just the guardians, but the foes and the champions, too."

[brazen ore]

oh maybe. when he had the weird sheep for me he didn't eat them, just complained about it and said i was making them sick

[timber pawn]

Okay I was too optimistic about aspect of moros, I have to tinker with the fear options more

[civic ocean]

It makes sense they'd be bad Moros has never used them before

[brave owl]

I like your name.

Bismuth Cromweld sounds like the name of some old rich English lord. Or a librarian NPC

[tall notch]

Oh btw, do you guys think hidden torch aspect will have Hecate's moveset?

[brave owl]

If it doesn’t, we riot.

[tall notch]

She's using torches and they look way different than our torches

[tired fulcrum]

Well her torches are diff torches so prob not

[timber pawn]

Idk what the hidden aspect for torches could be, I feel like it's gonna be obscure

[brave owl]

Do t be a negative Nancy ! Jk

[brazen ore]

maybe some aspects of it? I don't think it'll have the complete fan spread she does for sure, that is a classic boss move

[tall notch]

And hidden aspects are different than normal weapons too

[tired fulcrum]

Aspects are all technically different forms of the same wep

[brave owl]

I can’t wait to see if we get to fight in Olympus after EA is over.

[tired fulcrum]

Not straight up separate weps

[spare kite]

They are prob keeping the theme of non greek figure for the hiddens anyways

[tired fulcrum]

Also that ^

[tall notch]

You won't convince me lucifer rail is the same weapon with the lasers 😭

[brazen ore]

I'm biased but I really want at least one of them to be an obscure roman god

let me have an aspect of antinous. please, it'll be thematic, i swear.

[tired fulcrum]

Its called magicky magic shapeshifty weps

[brave owl]

The only reason they used Roman numerals for the II in the name is marketing department. At least according to that rapid fire game informer interview. Would be cool to see more Roman stuff

[sour cape]

uhhhh do you take same fears for 32 Surface? 💀

[plain fossil]

speaking of lucifer rail do u guys think destructive array is a good enough hammer

i tried this thing and i was very underwhelmed

[spare kite]

Is that the luci orbs pulse one

[plain fossil]

yes

[tired fulcrum]

The only lucifer hammer is triple bomb and uh idk the thing that makes the startup slower

[blazing plinth]

https://i.imgur.com/SkLASat.jpeg 3 duo in one night and pretty good hammers = gg

[spare kite]

Yeah that thing ain't it lmao

[tall notch]

Don't take short timer and consider onion as it's less punishing with way more boons compared to underworld

[sour cape]

Oh true Onion... but makes god trinkets useless?

[brave owl]

Have you guys gone back and played Hades 1 since playing several hours in 2? I want to as I didn’t put as much time into it but I feel like the movement / dash differences might mess me up.

[plain fossil]

i like double shields a lot more for surface because im a lot more likely to click hestia

[brave owl]

scorch is a lot diff than the other curses somehow?

[brazen ore]

I have. I kind of prefer the combat in 1 but I also think that's maybe just because i'm pretty damn good at 1 and I'm still an infant child mashing my controller at 2

[spare kite]

I did one beo run it was fine
But also it was beo

[plain fossil]

theres some weapons like mel staff medea and all the axes that i dont want to click double shields on but its pretty ok when u have some scorch

[brave owl]

I want to.

[sour cape]

Whats double shield?

[tired fulcrum]

Yep and i get reminded of how encounters in h2 have way more enemies

[brave owl]

The blue shields that you can add with fear

[tall notch]

I'm honestly not sure how onion and god keepsakes interact? Like is next boom forced? Are they put in the god pool? I sincerely don't know, sorry

[sour cape]

Took +60% enemies, Tartarus was just endless tides 💀

[brave owl]

They take like one tick of any dmg to remove. So kinda sucks with slower weapons

[spare kite]

Every encounter feels like naked blue swordmen

[brave owl]

I might go back and try hades 1 again after completing all the early access content.

[plain fossil]

+% enemies is one of the hardest fear vows imo

[brave owl]

But I need to practice with torches and skulls. I know a lot of ppl like skulls but I just can’t jive with them well. Guess I haven’t found the right builds -_-

[brazen ore]

which is funny cause it wasn't that tough of a heat increase for 1

[plain fossil]

u just get put in so many more situations where ur like welp guess im taking 30

[spare kite]

I refuse to touch hp/enemies out of hate from H1, even if they are "free"

[brave owl]

Think extra enemies would be kinda easy with staff or pan?

[spare kite]

Price up I tolerate it more here tho, thanks to boatman

[brave owl]

More enemies plus faster enemies would probably suck.

[tall notch]

Demeter becomes even more useful as control from freeze matters more

[plain fossil]

i click demeter more than anyone else here i think

cold storage is one of the most op things u can do in this game

[brazen ore]

demeter, poseidon, and aphrodite are my special angel babies that carry me through the world

[plain fossil]

i was really high on aph after a few days but as i climbed fear it fell off quite a lot

[brave owl]

As a side note, I wish the subreddit posts weren’t full of thirsty neckbeards posting their near-hentai art of aphrodites and others.

[tall notch]

Demeter and Heph are locked slots in my high fear god pools

[plain fossil]

probably because i spend more time hiding off screen lmao

[brave owl]

Heph prob getting nerfed or “adjusted” according to the guy in the interview so use him while he’s OP

[brazen ore]

i love rare crop personally, mostly because once i got it early and then the next run, Echo gave me one of the Heroic boons it had rarified

[tall notch]

Is the armor stuff getting hit? Because that's all I'm using him for

[brave owl]

I’m not sure HOW he just essentially said he knows he made him a little strong and he’s working on it

[plain fossil]

i dont click rare crop very much, its fine but demeter has a lot of really high value boons so it usually gets forsaken early

[brave owl]

And I. Hope they flesh out the element system. It seems like a really cool addition.

[tall notch]

Fun fact, Echo can give you things from Chaos trials

[brazen ore]

I'm also not playing optimally or at very high fear yet, so my builds are a little, shall we say.... jankier

[tawny stag]

Is he really OP? I feel like his things have such long cooldowns

[brazen ore]

that IS a fun fact!

[brave owl]

I mean, I don’t think so, but the game designer seems to.

[plain fossil]

yea i dont click that option unless im doing the exact same thing in multiple runs because it can give u support stuff that has limited/no use

[warped harness]

wait in what regard?

[brave owl]

Also I have used him enough to max out his keepsake (a lot of my early runs) but not sure how it’s OP

[tall notch]

I find Heph core boons underwhelming but his armor stuff and mint condition are so good

[plain fossil]

heph as main damage source is meme tier heph as support is really good

[brave owl]

@warped harness it’s just what he said in the game informer interview.

[strange kite]

heph isnt op

[tall notch]

If something's getting nerfed it might be the defensive stuff

[brave owl]

https://youtu.be/ubzq814bwsw?si=aXlSxyPKrE0lxRaW

[brazen ore]

oh yeah I think it could absolutely either screw you over or just be completely useless, it's just that gambling rush

[plain fossil]

i dont think support heph is op but if sgg want to nerf a lot of things then i can see it

[tall notch]

Trusty shield invalidates 4 points worth of fear

[brave owl]

He mentions it in this video so. Take it for what you will.

Very much sounds like he will get nerfed in some way.

[strange kite]

the devs arent super good players and theyre not that good at uncovering all the actual best builds

[warped harness]

i hope they buff the heph attack/special boons

[strange kite]

for example: hexes are so trash u really have to ask some questions

[brave owl]

Hope not, I feel like they need to incorporate armor MOrE

[tawny stag]

What’s that do again

[plain fossil]

i dont mind if devs arent good enough to create the meta - almost no devs ever are - as long as they can understand and react to it

[warped harness]

the blast and vent and everything is good but i just wish it was more consistent

[tall notch]

Prime in every location for a bit of armor

[tawny stag]

How does it invalidate four skulls

[plain fossil]

trusty shield, mint condition both really insane and heph infusion is quite good for 1 point as well

[plain fossil]

u cant take more damage at a time than u have armour remaining and the vow that makes the first hit u take in a zone do quad damage is 4 heat

[brazen ore]

there's a fear condition that is like, the first hit is extra damage. If you automatically tank your first hit due to armor, it doesn't matter what percent increase the first hit damage is

[warped harness]

they block the one vow that triples the damage from the first hit taken

[tall notch]

+300% dmg taken first hit, it'll just hit the armor and any extra does not spill over onto you

[strange kite]

the thing is it’s only really good for antler stuff which i dount they’ll go out of their way to nerf antler

[plain fossil]

i mean theyre really good regardless theyre just even better on antler

[timber pawn]

I feel like this interaction will stay, it's good for high fear but also doesn't win a run by itself? You know?

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422149143205773315/1243373454053347419/image.png?ex=66513d44&is=664febc4&hm=9e343a527aa83459297d865badd4d54efca2690a77d69f1d6869b1239a519923&

[strange kite]

theyre fine i think. reasonable. good enough to make heph worth taking

[warped harness]

its 100% then 300% for 2 fear each, so double and quadruple damage respectively

[strange kite]

if heph didnt have it why would u ever take heph?

[tall notch]

If they balance about high fear Heph support is probably getting nerfed, otherwise he should stay where he is

[sour cape]

Better abuse Heph 💀💀

[brave owl]

If you go to 14:15 in this video you can hear him talking about the Heph balance stuff.

[tawny stag]

Hera cast should at least add Hitch

[sour cape]

Trusty still good just to nullify the 4 fear for first git doing a billion dmg

I dont like taking 90 dmg a hit

[brazen ore]

i can't think of a lot of stuff that I would want to nerf. there's stuff that's really good but in general you have to be planning and aware of the meta to be doing anything truly broken with it. there's definitely stuff I would want to be better just so it wouldn't feel like such a downgrade trying to use it (TORCHES)

[strange kite]

think about it: a god needs to have a reason to take them. if u just nerf born gain to the ground or nerf heph to the ground u will literally never take those gods ever again

[strange kite]

u still have to go through erebus without it but yeah it’s good for high heat

[sour cape]

Born Gain can be made a lot weaker and still competitive

[warped harness]

i feel like they just, need to buff other gods

[strange kite]

why would u take hera if born gain is merely competitive?

[sour cape]

Heph yea hard to meaningfully nerf without being bad

[brave owl]

He said he’s got a little work to do on the balance of them in regards to the viability of the other ones so he has “a little work to do”. So sounds like a nerf to me 😦

[warped harness]

more than they need to nerf defensive gods that make high heat bearable afaik

[sour cape]

I meam you often need mana for some weapons 💀

[tawny stag]

Born gain is fine the other gain boons just need to work even if you are using omega

[sour cape]

So if it comes up you gotta take something

[strange kite]

if hera mana isnt dominant u can just use some other mana

[warped harness]

^^^^ this

[strange kite]

no u just never go hera ever again and use other gods for mana

[tall notch]

Her core boons are 2nd highest scaling and hitch is good clear tool

[sour cape]

Sure yea but if Hera comes up youd still take born again

And hera dmg is really good, I dont see why ypu think shes only good for born again

[strange kite]

but u cant have a god be “mid and useable if she shows up and u dont have a better choice”

[brave owl]

lol I think of it as “born again” also lol

[warped harness]

born gain is strong but hera is just consistentin every single way

[tall notch]

• Hera cast is legit speedrun meta because of what it does to early game

[sour cape]

Yea

[strange kite]

is hera damage not identical to dem and apollo?

[tawny stag]

Hera cast adding hitch would be great

[sour cape]

No, its higher

Hitch got higher % than Dem or Apollo and satisfies a curse

[tall notch]

Nah the scaling is higher. It's Aphro > Hera > Apollo > Dem

[sour cape]

Only Aphro is higher but then extra condition

[tall notch]

For scaling gods

[sour cape]

And no curse

[warped harness]

apollo and hera are equal on the flourish/special iirc?

[brave owl]

I feel like we need more viable Hermes stuff. Don’t most people just look for the special speed? And occasionally dodge % if it’s not there or already picked

[strange kite]

hermes is pretty doodoo for being well hermes

[sour cape]

I go for reduced projectile speed too or the take free hits

[tawny stag]

I like the hermes omega cast is cheaper

[sour cape]

But yea wont be targetting Hermes but hes not bad

[brave owl]

Yea. I like Hermes, I hope he gets “adjusted”.

[strange kite]

hades 2 hermes reallly is walmart hermes

[tall notch]

I stand by projectile speed being slept on, in Hades 1 it was worthless but projectiles here are way more dangerous

[brave owl]

lol wish dot com Hermes

[brazen ore]

'we have hermes at home'

[sour cape]

Yea less projectile speed is good

Specially combined with Demeter cyclone

[tawny stag]

I miss Athena dash

[strange kite]

me too

[brazen ore]

is zeus good at anything other than cast or am I just dumb

[brave owl]

Dude I know. I see Haelian skip it a lot and I’m like wtf dude. But I guess if you’re super good at the game it doesn’t matter. I’m def a fan of it too Eos

[strange kite]

good for momus

[warped harness]

btw who said they were nerfing heph? bc that just isnt what they said in the video?

[brave owl]

You’re just dumb.

Jk jk he enables some cool duos

[strange kite]

nobody?

[tawny stag]

Poison felt way stronger than scorch

[plain fossil]

slept on? Projectile speed is my #2 click on hermes behind dodge and its #1 on surface if i didnt already get it from circe

[shadow marsh]

He said he was "Worried about the current state of Hephestus boons" and implied they were very strong

[brazen ore]

is poseidon not better tho?

[brave owl]

I did. And I quoted the guy who said “I have some@work to do”. Which I said sounds like a clear nerf TO ME.

[sour cape]

I mean people think Hermes is useless 😭

[strange kite]

u dont take zeus special

u take the other stuff lul

[tawny stag]

Honestly i hate using sprint vs dash

[brave owl]

He mentioned the viability of all gods in relation to it. So. Just sounds like a nerf to me 🤷

[strange kite]

hermes isnt useless just high key mid

[tawny stag]

Like you need to stop doing stuff to sprint but you could dash cancel everything else

[plain fossil]

uh theres a bunch of mediocre hermes boons dont get me wrong but first hermes is always worth the click for me unless the other option is build defining

[strange kite]

not exactly hades 1 hermes u know

[brazen ore]

i was so confused for a second i was like that seems like a strict downgrade ...

[warped harness]

it sounded like it wasn't just a nerf, just that they were paying attention as a whole to him since he's new

[brave owl]

Yea always want that special speed for a lot of builds

[tall notch]

Tbf Hermes did need a nerf, hyper delivery combo was stupidly OP

[shadow marsh]

I can't be the only one who loves taking quick buck in erebus. I'll even burn a roll on it if I have some to spare

[sour cape]

I hope Demeter doesnt get nerf

[warped harness]

if anything i could see mint conditioned being shortened and maybe some changes to make his special and flourish a little better

[brave owl]

Well didn’t he also say “ya gotta pick him”. Maybe there won’t be a nerf, just sounded like it to me

[sour cape]

Yea Mints kinda abusive

[brave owl]

By saying “I have some work to do” lol

[plain fossil]

i dont click special speed over dodge, from my testing dodge is additive with other sources of dodge so it gets dumb pretty quick

[ionic moon]

heph supports are too good and his core damage too clunky

[warped harness]

he did say that, but even the shield boon would be good at 1 shield at high heat, it's like having those blue health bars

[strange kite]

im just not a fan of heph cuz i dont do 40+ heat or antlers

[brave owl]

I tried antler, it’s busted !

[warped harness]

i feel like heph will be fine

[strange kite]

heph is very very specific

[shadow marsh]

Yeah the biggest issue I have with trusty shield is that it's pommable in the first place

[brave owl]

But also scary

[plain fossil]

in b4 heph armour primes 50 mana

[tawny stag]

The aphro boon that heals when you have a percent hp left can get very silly

[strange kite]

going into heph randomly is almost worthless

[tawny stag]

I could get to like 50%

[brazen ore]

that and moon water got me my first clear

[sour cape]

Specially if you get Aphro 50% with Momus, what is that combo 😂

[brave owl]

what are the best use cases do you think

[warped harness]

i dont feel like that really helps at high fear though

[sour cape]

Full heal every room

[warped harness]

damage would be much more impactful, heph is a safety net

[strange kite]

antler and heat pushing

[plain fossil]

i mean theres only so much damage u can click

[sour cape]

Also means you can skip taking the dmg levels

[strange kite]

like mint condition sounds great unless u just dont need to not get hit

[tall notch]

Antler and your other two gods handle the damage and you genuinely need safety with stacked pacts

[sour cape]

and click 300% mire dmg first hit

[plain fossil]

like ur third god isnt going to provide u with a ton of damage no matter what it is anyway

[warped harness]

fair

[sour cape]

Or can skip having 60% more enemies

[tawny stag]

why not it could make privileged status active

[sour cape]

4 fear is not bad for 1 boon

[plain fossil]

i think theres a legitimate debate as to whether demeter or heph is the best third god

[sour cape]

Why not both?

[tall notch]

I'm crutching on Heph hard in 40 fear, he's enabling me to take all the dmg taken stuff AND reduced healing because armor isn't healing

[strange kite]

the thing is u dont nullify the 4 heat because u dont know ur gonna get heph and u dont know WHEN u get the good heph boons

[warped harness]

you do have to get that boon though, you're gonna be at 30 health /w antler and erebus is already the hardest part of the run no?

[covert jacinth]

For Sprit Surge (All foes struck by lightning every 5 seconds)
Do I have to have 10 or less Magick for 5 whole seconds, or would it activate the moment I have 10 or less, assuming there is more than 5 seconds between?

[sour cape]

You can start Heph

[strange kite]

no u cant

[plain fossil]

u dont want to click armour room 1

[warped harness]

thats very bad

[strange kite]

going heph keepsake in erebus is throwing

[plain fossil]

u will die to getting hit 10 times because u dont have any damage

[tawny stag]

are you really doing that little?

[sour cape]

Just start heph and pray you see dmg god next 🙏

[tall notch]

With room 1 Hera room 3 Heph into their duo before Hecate might be a real play

[civic ocean]

just start heph and take a volc

[sour cape]

Honestly its better than seeing Selune room 1

[strange kite]

that’s just reversing going damage god and hoping u see heph next

[strange kite]

great now u see selene then heph

[sour cape]

Well theres prob more dmg gods that would work

[warped harness]

not like you can't get selene room 1 with the heph keepsake as well

[brave owl]

do you guys quit the run if you see Moon room 1?

[plain fossil]

thats another reason why posidon is op btw he eats 2 blue shields and all the % based attack/special boons only eat 1

[tawny stag]

no lol that’s so silly

[sour cape]

than jist Heph

[strange kite]

yeah it’s great isnt it?

[brave owl]

i mean @tawny stag when people are doing high fear / speed runs

[strange kite]

i love poseidon special spam

[brave owl]

and usually high fear includes the time restraint fear

[strange kite]

it depends on the person. i dont reset because i hate losing

[sour cape]

I havent quit

[warped harness]

i love poseidon gotta be top 10 uncles

[plain fossil]

i dont quit the run usually only if im also doing something thats kinda memey and cant deal with sucking for first half of erebus

[strange kite]

but some people reset a lot

[sour cape]

but it do kinda 💀💀

[tall notch]

Some people reset so much their save file's run history gets bricked

[sour cape]

I dont hate losing it is what it is

[strange kite]

yeah eos…

[brave owl]

i havent quit a run either but i have spiritually given up somewhat early

[strange kite]

i wonder who that could be

[tawny stag]

so real

[brave owl]

Haelian!
he mentioned over 3k hours on one save file and it got wonky

in hades 1 that is obviously

[tall notch]

I wouldn't in low fear but with 5 min timer and all sorts of nasty vows I know I'm not making that timer. Might as well go next run

[strange kite]

for real ive done a run where poseidon was like “nah u need an intervention no poseidon special” and i was like DYING to 7 minute timer on hecate that i pulled through eventually somehow dont ask how

[brazen ore]

there are some runs even in low fear where you just go yeah it's not gonna be this one boys and you just start experimenting with weird stuff cause you know you're not making it very far

[warped harness]

real talk the upgrade for this aspect kinda stinks? you get the parry throughout the whole process of channeling, not just at the starthttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1243377989333549077/image.png?ex=6651417d&is=664feffd&hm=33e13f80f44ea8e6091879104bc24ffadcc38cccdc1d0cbf1e44c1ef22c84506&

[strange kite]

and the run took like 16 or 17 minutes or something ridiculous

[brave owl]

Nemesis is such a bisshhh. i mean i get she's kind of conflict-driven but some of her dialogue drives me insane

[strange kite]

like poseidon refused to show up again in erebus

[warped harness]

unless you just do born gain and spam omega attacks with the hammer that boosts power for getting kills

[tall notch]

Omega attack speed is valuable when you spam

[strange kite]

i was literally playin zeus blitz thats how desperate i was

[plain fossil]

click vow of forsaking this stuff never happens its a lifechanger trust

[strange kite]

no u dont understand

[warped harness]

that sounds really silly actually i wanna try that now

[strange kite]

poseidon showed up ONCE

[brave owl]

btw has anyone finished that Fate that says "locate the three" fates that you get kinda early?

or is that something that seems like we can't complete at the moment

[tall notch]

I think omega attack spam is the best thing to do on Arty rn

[warped harness]

it's story that hasn't been implemented most likely

[strange kite]

said hi no special at the start of the run and was like peace sea u in mid act 2

i always have the boon deleter on im not dumb

[brave owl]

Oh ok just making sure it isn’t just me 👍🏻

[plain fossil]

isnt this like saying omega attack spam is the best thing to do on eos rn?

[warped harness]

aphro attack omega attack hammers and idk demeter for the slow and cyclone to proc origination

[strange kite]

oh and i got a backstack attack hammer because hammer rng also hated me that run

[tawny stag]

what about hera on attack

[tall notch]

I mean Hyper wasn't familiar with that playstyle and wanted to use Omega as a parry from the sounds of it

[strange kite]

it was very not cool run

[warped harness]

thats how i'd been using it, yes

[plain fossil]

oh ok

[brazen ore]

i really wish we could reroll hammers

[warped harness]

ive done a few runs and i just really like the normal attack sequence for it

[tawny stag]

isn’t that how you are supposed to use the parry daggers? By parrying lol

[brave owl]

Even if I had to spend arcana cards on it, I would.

[tall notch]

Try to start Apollo and fish for legendary. Demeter for weed killer and her cast stuff. Third god your call

[plain fossil]

i mean it still parries fine when ur omega attack spamming its just omega attack hits for 23479829304892304 and regular attack doesnt

[strange kite]

well u see the parry dagger doesnt parry.

[tawny stag]

I’ve never used it but why doesn’t it parry lol

[tall notch]

They're omega attack speed up dagger that has a parry ability for a bit more safety

[warped harness]

i think this is only the case bc hammers feel rly polarizing and some weapons are trashed based on your build

[strange kite]

because instead of mhr longsword u get 1s invuln every 15s

[warped harness]

they were fine not being rerollable in hades 1

[tall notch]

You get +50% omega attack channel speed

[strange kite]

which is like cool… i guess

[brazen ore]

yeah, if there were more Good hammers i wouldnt mind not being able to reroll

as is, if i don't get like one of two hammers on a specific weapon, it's dead

[warped harness]

i like having some things you can't reroll

[strange kite]

hammer rng sux so much i actually hate it

[silent crow]

no they werent

[plain fossil]

do yall think its an issue that there are a lot of aspects for which u ignore what the weapon actually does differently and click it for the passive

[silent crow]

yes

[strange kite]

yes

[brazen ore]

yeahh

[warped harness]

little bit

[strange kite]

i also think some weapons are designed to be nothing but passive bonus

[tawny stag]

I don’t even read the first line just the passive

[silent crow]

eos medea and like charon are the only aspects i care for really

[plain fossil]

well not counting all the mel aspects obviously

[strange kite]

for example: thanatos axe is just a spin dps boost. it does literally nothing else

[brave owl]

I feel like most of us just go for a few specific hammers and haven’t tested most of them a lot. But I did try the torch hammer earlier where the omega special stays in place. It was kinda sucky. But. Only one run with it and it was a surface run. If I hadn’t had Born Gain, Eris would have done terrible things to my corpse.

[warped harness]

momus is supposed to be a healing aspect and just, is special spam the apect

[strange kite]

persephone skull is just omega damage boost. it does literallu nothing else

[tall notch]

Alternatively it's a Zeus cast build weapon

[silent crow]

do you know how to eos i suck ass at this wepaon

[tawny stag]

zeus cast is poop i heard

[warped harness]

not rly? the crit applies to your whole kit and can be charged with every omega wep

[civic ocean]

k time to go live and die at 32 a bunch

[strange kite]

momus is clearly just a special spam weapon. u cant tell me the devs thought the omega healing would actually matter

[brave owl]

Ya heard wrong!

[strange kite]

cool so thanatos and persephone are the same thing. boost omega dps 0 gameplay changes

[warped harness]

the omega healing is really silly bc you're making someone go into melee range to heal with a ranged weapon

[plain fossil]

im talking about like artemis, momus, persephone etc where all the text on it doesnt actually exist and its just for passive

[warped harness]

it applies to non omega moves too

[strange kite]

like why is psychic axe not an aspect

[strange kite]

cool ur not gonna auto attack on axe lets be real here

[tall notch]

There are a lot of ways to build it, the easiest should be Hera for born gain, Demeter for cast and the third is preference. Try to get in the habit of dashing backwards when you got a bunch of ghosts stacked behind enemy to strike them again. Remember you can dash and cast while channeling attack

[warped harness]

you use the dash attack often

[strange kite]

no need to pretend it’s not just omega dps boost

yeah and dash attack is ur primary source of damage im sure and u need to charge it with omega attack anyways

[silent crow]

is the recall supposed to whiff a lot on cerby
also is that twin split hammer good it seemed super jank wheni used it

[tall notch]

Some people swear by the split hammer but I don't like it. Also I don't recall having cerby issues

[strange kite]

its literally just take this weapon. use a lot of omega attacks. it makes ur omegas do dps

it should be melinoe

and thanatos should actually do something fun instead of that

[ionic moon]

this is propaganda from hera

[strange kite]

because right now axe has 2 aspects thana (the vanilla one) and charon

and then there’s this fake aspect called melinoe that doesnt do anything…

[plain fossil]

like hera can talk about poop casts

[warped harness]

charon is really fun

[silent crow]

daggers feels like it has one aspect i hate parrying anyway

[warped harness]

but it has 1 build

[plain fossil]

u dont click artemis to parry things, though its funny when u do

[sour cape]

Omega silly is used to heal to half if you are lower

[strange kite]

also yeah wtf if theres only 1 build on thana wtf is the hammers???

[plain fossil]

u click artemis to do ur best assassins creed impression

[strange kite]

like WHY is there one hammer that makes or breaks a build?

[tall notch]

Charon is just so slow without that one charge speed hammer I can't get into it

[silent crow]

really

[strange kite]

can we remove hammers from the game and rebalance the game entirely around no hammers?

[silent crow]

ive been using it to get the crits on the omega special bc im too lazy to max out an aspect

[warped harness]

but icarus :(

[strange kite]

god i should just learn to mod and make hammers rerolable

[sour cape]

No, Hammers are cool and iconic

[brazen ore]

that seems miserable, just mayb some better hammers so its not like getting one makes or breaks it

[strange kite]

hammers are dumb

[warped harness]

^

[sour cape]

Some hammers need buffing thats for sure. The axe one that can just make you unable to complete your attack chain for having no mana is silly

[strange kite]

u cant just have hammers be like “pray u get the good hammer also for any given run 80% is useless for ur aspect”

[tall notch]

I do think we should be getting rerolls on hammers. Getting three special hammers on an attack aspect or vice versa just feels bad

[warped harness]

tbf the big chop is really bad

[tall notch]

Even if they're balanced you won't want special hammers on your attack based aspect

[silent crow]

i love how there are hammers that are like "double dmg + homing" and also hammers that are like "-2 mana cost on a 20 mana cast"

[strange kite]

so true so true

[warped harness]

thats the triple helix though??? which is really good?

[silent crow]

triple helix is different iirc

[warped harness]

no! it is not!

[silent crow]

i think its clean helix thats like 10% channel speed and -2 cost or whatever

[tall notch]

Triple helix and that mana reduce are different hammers aren't they

[sour cape]

Also Icarus trinket should let you choose 1 of 3 Hammers

[strange kite]

like wtf is the +4 damage per hit on special vs the “ur specials are almost free and channel instantly”

[warped harness]

they felt like the same

[sour cape]

Its so dumb when it bricks your build

[brave owl]

echo should also let you get another hammer if it was your last reward, right

[warped harness]

the dagger special hammer? that one isn't even bad?

[brave owl]

and we need more on surface

[strange kite]

or attacks gain 5 damage per kill in an encounter vs plus 10 bazillion damage with hooks

[sour cape]

Dagger has plenty of good hammers

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[warped harness]

echo does that ye

[brave owl]

ohhh grave thirst time with the daggers, lets goo

[strange kite]

isnt it like 4 damage tho? i take it cuz it says “special” but it is pretty uhh

[brave owl]

i feel like she doesn't? damn

[strange kite]

mid let’s say

[silent crow]

i forgot all the other bad hammers bc i dont pick them lol

[tall notch]

4 power, if you're scaling it and have a ton of daggers it can add up

[warped harness]

i couldve sword it was 5, also it's really good for bossing

[silent crow]

oh why are there 3 different staff hammers to double your attack omega attack and special damage what

[warped harness]

@tall notch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1243382660823257220/image.png?ex=665145d7&is=664ff457&hm=7fa15a593849f8ad08146d4f588f90e90376cedb64d72b3688b7d3a75e6c7248& they gave me a conundrum pink aura or hera

i have hera keepsake on but i used the effect already for born gain

[bleak stag]

Hey mostly been lurking but i just had the most unfortunate death to ||cerberus|| because of the hitboxes lingering after an attack ended UGHHH

[strange kite]

IKR like wtf

cerb hitboxes are actually trolling

whoever thought lying indicators were a good idea is an actual sadist

“we’re gonna make the bad marker go away and people will think its safe and walk in and die” like BRUH

[brave owl]

gdi second run in a row, Selene boon first room XD...have posideon keepsake on and it just feels like the game is giving me the finger!

[plain fossil]

if u already have born gain u surely just click damage

[silent crow]

does anyone else have trouble with the red circles on the weird snake oceanus midboss

[tall notch]

Play passion dash torches

[plain fossil]

is that for the giant wolf heads? i noticed that too

[brave owl]

and also second run in a row with Selene room 1 AND Moonwater as the bottom options. welp, ez mode engaged especially since im on 8 fear

[strange kite]

yeah the circle aoes on the floor that pop up

[plain fossil]

u would have to be actually remedial to eat it after u know about it but i agree its annoying and unintuitive the first time

[brave owl]

AND chaos room 1 as well? tfffff

[strange kite]

dood u dont understand. when indicator for single hit aoe is gone that means it’s safe

that’s the way my brain is wired

[warped harness]

i already took the divorce boon 😔

[plain fossil]

i take way more damage from the melee swat and/or the splitting projectile

[silent crow]

the flashing makes it hard for me to see where to stand

[fickle warren]

Would you rather take +88% attack with the axe, or +3 creation? Both chaos curses are bearable

[plain fossil]

i find it very easy to see even on 40% speed certainly compared to some other comparable mechanics, maybe just differently wired brains

[silent crow]

+88% attack wtf

[plain fossil]

uh usually attack but if +3 turns on a really good infusion like coarse grit i could see it i guess

[fickle warren]

Someone said that creation is really good yesterday, haven't really gotten enough infusion stuff over my runs to see exactly how

[plain fossil]

also if im charon im basically never clicking attack so i guess i take the infusion

[plain fossil]

so generally u can get enough element to get one type of infusion in ur runs

[jovial swift]

I feel like the chronos instakill has done that to me before too

[plain fossil]

this is fine but sometimes ur gods have multiple good infusions that dont overlap and u want to get both. Infusions can be very strong so it can enable u to do things u couldnt otherwise

[bleak stag]

am i bad that i haven't won yet? i got to chronos once with ygnium

are there any aspects i'm sleeping on in terms of using all of my resources?

[plain fossil]

for example with charon axe its plausible that i might want to get both air quality and coarse grit and thats not really possible without the chaos infusion

[plain fossil]

i mean if u have 500 hours in the game over the last three weeks u might be bad otherwise no ofc not everyone learns at their own pace

and also the more u play the more make-game-way-easier stuff u unlock

[bleak stag]

i mean i was pretty decent at H1 (15 heat best so far, havent made more attempts yet)

but i'm not sure if i should gun for specific progression things, i just unlocked frinos as a companion

[strange kite]

how many runs?

[brave owl]

turn on god mode

[bleak stag]

lemme figure out how to check

[strange kite]

cuz in early runs u get eris so its really really hard to win

[tired fulcrum]

Mostly just upgrade grasp and upgrade cards

[brave owl]

helps you learn the boss fights

[strange kite]

i couldnt even get a read on kronos in my first few encounters

[bleak stag]

i only got eris once on my first run past the witch

wrong reply sorry

[strange kite]

u dont need god mode

[bleak stag]

i don't want god mode i just want to know if i'm missing something

[brazen ore]

same, it was just sort of a blur and then i was dead lol

[strange kite]

if u beat hades 1 with non zero heat god mode probably isnt for u

it’s most likely just some learning, reflexes and most of all meta knowledge on how to make a good build

[bleak stag]

meta knowledge
THAT

[strange kite]

haelian also has a kronos fight guide

[brazen ore]

it doesnt sound like it, sometimes it just takes a while to figure the game out. find a weapon you really like and stick with it so u learn what can make it a good build

[quiet axle]

I got 2 hammers in 1 surface run for the first time yesterday. I had no hammer appear in the city... was offered one by the turtle, and didn't pay for expedited delivery. Then, when I got to the boat, another hammer was offered to me the encounter before my turtle-ordered hammer was delivered.

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1243387552065388584/image.png?ex=66514a65&is=664ff8e5&hm=fe1ed0747ff36a0265f525f6cdea1452ddb949e1082ca0a41921f218c8ef0494& blegh the torch hammers do stink

[brazen ore]

everything about the torch stinks

[plain fossil]

its hard to say if ur missing anything since u havent really given us much to go on other than ur not winning. What are u having trouble with currently

[brazen ore]

i am a certified torch hater

[bleak stag]

i rlly love the torch actually

[plain fossil]

clean candle is very good on eos torches

[cursive pasture]

i will say, turn on god mode if you feel like you're stuck and not making any progress after multiple runs. I turned it on after 10 losses to hecate, and im having a much better time with the game now.

[silent crow]

clena candles good

[strange kite]

as for good build i will suggest pan/momus poseidon. or hera/aphro on axe skull. make sure u spam the hell out of cast. and take and upgrade the death defy arcana and the hp/mana arcana

[plain fossil]

origin helix is playable on mel torches but requires u to totally change how u move

[stable herald]

I can't tell if the torch is bad or if I'm just bad at it, feels like you need a big brain to really shred with it

[bleak stag]

or get origin for the prophecy

[silent crow]

you need upgraded aspects for it to be good

[cursive pasture]

moonstone axe + apollo's nova strike is awesome

[stable herald]

I'm working towards the Eos one yeah

[small wyvern]

i had a run with the torches and the special kinda carried. i had the hammer that increased special damage but made it disappear on contact

[bleak stag]

torches is very good for both crowd control and if you have the right boons, single target damage

[strange kite]

do u know how to scale ur weapon/build? i believe unupgrade mel torch can do decently well either poseidon special spam too

[silent crow]

that one is great

[strange kite]

uh torch is really bad for crowd control cuz ur special doesnt hitstun

[warped harness]

im on mel but i did take clean candle anyways

[bleak stag]

maybe not control but mass crowd damage

[silent crow]

eos is good for crowd control nice piercing

[bleak stag]

are there weapon aspects too?

[strange kite]

yes that’s true enough. u can take demeter on it to have melee crowd control

[plain fossil]

torches has damage solved for it on both mel and eos its just u need to figure out ways to not die

[strange kite]

yes but u need to go to surface to unlock the materials for skull then beat hecate with every weapon

[stable herald]

I got Psychic Whirlwind on the Thanatos Axe and it seemed to change it so only the first hit of the omega attack increments the crit bonus

[warped harness]

why is mint condition 8 seconds at common 😭 that's ludicrous

[plain fossil]

its not unusual for me to click triple defensive gods on mel torches if i get early triple helix so that i know i will have damage

[silent crow]

i think thats just how the weapon works

[stable herald]

regular successive attacks increment the crit bonus each time. it's not a huge deal but I am wondering if something's off

[plain fossil]

yea its known we dont know if its intended but it sucks

[strange kite]

because enemies take 2 seconds to spawn?

6s thats not that long

[bleak stag]

anything i should save star dust for?

or should i use it for moon dust

[silent crow]

does artemis have reduced rarity

[warped harness]

how do yall feel about the ody keepsake

[fair geyser]

have you unlocked ||familiars||

[bleak stag]

just did, save it for that?

[fair geyser]

yup! there is a resource you will need stardust for

[brazen ore]

i kinda dont end up using it bc at this point im only ever dying to chronos, so evil eye always gets him for that, and i dont need the bonus against any other guardians

[bleak stag]

also where must i go for the rocks needed for the argent skull

[fair geyser]

unsure how to say this that isn't inherently spoilery but ||you will need to go upwards, iirc||

[bleak stag]

alr, past poly?

[limber swan]

wow

[brazen ore]

spoilers fine in this channel

[fair geyser]

uhhh should be in area 1, before

[limber swan]

aspect of momus staff with poseidon is really good

[warped harness]

spoilers are fine yeah

[plain fossil]

Its a good switch for a4 if u lack boss damage and will need to tank some hits

[fair geyser]

yes but i wish to be considerate

[bleak stag]

bronze is in a1 is it just rarer?

[limber swan]

ive got a build with that + demeter cast boons

just freeze things in your cast and machine gun them to death

[bleak stag]

why does everyone glaze poseidon? is he that good?

[zenith bolt]

bronze is ephyra

[plain fossil]

Rumor does indeed have it that momus poseidon born again demeter is pretty good, yes

[plain fossil]

Its just the most efficient way to do damage when ur build is lots of small hits, and the two best builds atm are lots of small hits

[limber swan]

poseidon has the best non percentage based attack/special boons

[plain fossil]

Theres other smaller reasons but thats the big one

[bleak stag]

oooh

[limber swan]

at least in my experience

[warped harness]

i really don't like how chronos's big swing has stuns

nothing else does? it feels awful

[limber swan]

im pretty sure its just, hestia and zeus that also have that?

[plain fossil]

Heph

[limber swan]

thats the one i was missing

[plain fossil]

Half the gods have % boons half have flat

[limber swan]

poseidon is the best out of the gate imo

the others are really good but require more investment

[warped harness]

lost my torches run 😔

[plain fossil]

😦 next time

[limber swan]

poms and rarity luck for heph, zeus needs other big sources of damage and other zeus boons

it seems like people think scorch should get a rework

[bleak stag]

is the point of ephyra that you draft your build or can you visit everywhere you want?

[plain fossil]

6

[brazen ore]

nah u gotta draft u can only do the 6

[limber swan]

yeah you have to draft

[bleak stag]

damn ok ty

[limber swan]

make sure you check each chamber for another room

[warped harness]

you have to draft and they will cram a random god down your throat who isnt the keepsake god

[bleak stag]

i noticed that recently

[limber swan]

you can get more money/poms/health/etc

sometimes at least

[plain fossil]

U have 1 billion rerolls its pretty easy to come out of ephyra with the three gods u need plus ur hammer

[warped harness]

you'll usually get 1 room with the god you chose with your keepsake and 2 rooms of a random second god, 3 of a random third god

[bleak stag]

MEDEA WHO ARE YOU

[brazen ore]

medea my beloved

[warped harness]

you don't know medea?

[bleak stag]

just met her

[brazen ore]

kid-killer extraordinaire

don't think that part makes it into the game tho

[warped harness]

^ wife of jason, killer of kids, brother murder, but unironically also a really sad story i feel for

[stable herald]

the theater company I work with did an adaptation of Medea's tragedy a couple years ago, it was really good. Medea's cool af

[brazen ore]

oh yeah, i absolutely love her, it's just like the Big thing about her

[warped harness]

her whole life from like late teens was manipulated into being what it became because of jason

[bleak stag]

which is the best thing?

[brazen ore]

seneca or euripedes

[warped harness]

also fate just really helped endear her to me, jason sucks

[plain fossil]

The medea boon i take most often by far is projectile speed

[bleak stag]

i have armor damage and money

[warped harness]

the projectile speed is nice, the dd one is funny if you can keep your dds and wanna sack them to the 2nd (final atm) boss

[spare kite]

I like the 10 mana per room (or encounter I forgot)

[bleak stag]

dd?

[warped harness]

death defiance

[bleak stag]

ah

[plain fossil]

Dont take damage it sucks i swear it says 1 to 999 but it always does like 50

[warped harness]

you can get 4-5 if youre lucky and blow them

[stable herald]

it was a modern day adaptation relating it to the experience of Mexican immigrants. the playwright is Luis Alfaro

[warped harness]

the 50% armor reduction is nice when the game throws 9000 elites at you

[bleak stag]

tru

[warped harness]

oh thats interesting

medea rocks im happy to see her included

also, her aspect implies that shed fight by bum rushing enemies with a hand grenade skull which also bangs

she is a powerful witch but she also has hands

[brazen ore]

oh like not a translation. that's really cool, i honestly think the immigration/isolation part of medea's story is one of the most interesting ones. i think a lot of the ones focusing on feminism are also cool but imo kinda missing the point about why jason's betrayal really effs her over more than it would have a greek woman

[warped harness]

medea's story singlehandedly makes me loathe jason

i love the argonauts but not him

but i also do wanna see jason because it would be fun

[brazen ore]

if jason appears i hope it's only so that we can beat him up, like theseus

[bleak stag]

total eclipse in full moonglow my beloved

[warped harness]

surface 3rd area boss, jason beatdown after medea gives you the tools to cook

[brazen ore]

we have the whole ship sequence in the rift of thessaly and scylla and charybdis and odysseus, its all very nautical themed, it would make sense for him to appear imo

[viscid rain]

Wonder how they going to implement Jason. He sounds like someone who just uses people like nothing in the mytho. I cant say cuss words tho cause of the bot

[sour cape]

Well Jason got a sad end and Medea still girlbossing

Women's wrongs 🙏🙏

[warped harness]

i support women's wrongs fr fr

[brazen ore]

medea is such women's wrongs <3

[viscid rain]

I am not a fan of her FATE version but she rocks in this

[warped harness]

her fate version opened me up to more of the greek lore and led me to learning about her, but there are some issues

[brazen ore]

i kinda hate her skull aspect though im ngl

like, it is enjoyable but i dont like that i am stuck to performing a same sequence of button presses when most other builds i can just perform a singular button press

[stable herald]

yeah Medea's skull is super weird

[viscid rain]

Kinda like an MMO rotation where you press 1 and 2 repeatedly to deal optimal damage

[warped harness]

i just wish the skulls didnt take so long to prime

and they dont last long enough while primed to give yourself safety unless you have a special channel speed boon, or you do single skulls

[brazen ore]

you just have to do a really fast prime-3-skulls-then-special-attack-then-dash-away-then-repeat

which is fine but its kind of long and not really very flexible

and you also have literally nothing else you can do besides that and cast

[steel sequoia]

lmao this run was weird AF but i managed to finish my last legendary with hestia and swapped special for pos in the end so i only had mana problems but somehow worked https://postimg.cc/9D6b815G too much haha, yes! tks uncle

[brazen ore]

it's cool in concept and it's fun to do for like, one room, but i could not go very far with it just because it stopped being fun very quickly

[tender flint]

any tips for aspect charon early im struggling to get a good start early and not die atleast on higher heat

[plain fossil]

First room apollo, click cast if you can, hope for fast channel hammer early

Use dash strike to knock off shields if you can

Try not to actually regular attack

[pastel elm]

every time i accidentally do the third big hit on the axe it shaves a week off my lifespan

[plain fossil]

Thats just the time it takes to land

[pastel elm]

[sour cape]

What bout Demeter tornado for breaking shields?

[sand crow]

I got the fastest treasure trove clear of my LIFE just now lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230572425918414859/1243402013706813480/Hades_II_2024-05-23_20-31-16.mp4?ex=665157dd&is=6650065d&hm=d0251ea912031c1532d4a5b8064c64427ae0c03cf5944942c57425dd2fb11d60&

[pastel elm]

makes me wanna try than axe now

[plain fossil]

typically u would start a charon run with apollo keepsake in order to have damage so u wouldnt have demeter tornado for several rooms, its great when u get it ofc

[sour cape]

I see Isee

[slow olive]

Stated fear runs. Got to Chronos Phase 2 and nearly beat him. on a 16F. Plan on retrying set tomorrow. What vows is suggested for easiest 32F

[pastel elm]

i think 7m timer is reasonable. the prime vow is easy and the ban for the night vow is easy unless youre quite forgetful or careless. the start rooms without mana vow is much more tolerable with huntress arcana or hera gain if you need mana. those are the ones that are the top of my mind. i used to think onion was easy but only if you can take artificer. i kinda hate onion now

[dusty sapphire]

I'm trying to get a good sense for the builds in this game. With Medea it's obviously Aphro attack. Zeus on special perhaps? Activate Blitz instantly

Or do you go for a specific duo that I'm not sure about

[tender flint]

liteerally got perfect start on 20 heat right after i typed this lmao

[woeful gust]

Question: I think it was with the axe but not sure - I used a hammer to turn my attack into a big chop with a bunch of extra power. Later I was offered another hammer that was one of those "the last sequence in your attack does x," but didn't select it because I was unsure of the interaction. Is every attack thought of as the last in the sequence in that case? I think it might've added a magick cost too which made me hesitant to pick it

[viscid fiber]

Man, I really hope they don't nerf Momus, but I feel like they will...

[tender flint]

good question

[woeful gust]

I just remember thinking something like "will I be able to attack if I run out of magick?" Lol. Wish I noted down the exact hammers

I had an absolutely nuts build on that run. Ran aphro attack, somehow got 14 poms on it. Each chop was dealing like at least 1300 damage

[dreamy bough]

Yes it does work like that, there's even a chaos trial specifically setup in this way

[woeful gust]

Huh, good to know, thanks

[sand crow]

fun lil tip, I learned from someone else in the server that if you tap the attack button and cancel it into a dash, a) if you do it right it'll cancel into a dash-strike and b) the next attack you perform won't have any startup lag

[plain fossil]

ye we know about that one it happens sometimes by accident actually. theres a lot of axe tech in the server mynt or someone is probably making youtube videos off it

[dry mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1145510289874358383/1243412776781877341/image.png?ex=665161e3&is=66501063&hm=9932beb270348ddff124795947cdf728e782d55c9f5be398a58b3276a65360ed&=&format=webp&quality=lossless close one man

[tired fulcrum]

I feel like tiny fish were involved in this massacre

[dry mirage]

indeed

[gaunt jetty]

just found a cool build. Icarus's explosive intent and aspect of pan. Omega moves create a 50 dam explosion and you shoot like 8 special darts. its crazy

[spring cloud]

Hi I’m bad as hell at using momus? how’s this special absorption thing work

I can’t really tell what makes this aspect so much better than melinoe’s

[tired fulcrum]

Thats not why you use the aspect. Its because of the +30 special damage

You just get the double moonshot hammer then spam the regular special

[spring cloud]

Ahh, that makes more sense! thank you’

[limber dock]

go to a wall charge it up shoot the wall infront of your face heal 5

[bleak stag]

just got the skull is fetching array good?

[hallow quiver]

is that -1 skull they return instantly

[bleak stag]

yeah

[ionic lily]

The only time I use omega special on momus is if I somehow got 100% mana and want to get rid of it for huntress

[hallow quiver]

its pretty meh, theres better hammers

[bleak stag]

also have salvo and bombard

and i have hepaestus on attack

[plain fossil]

fetching array is ok if u really want to never press special and just sit offscreen throwing bombs at things, its not good dps so ppl dont click it usually

[white oak]

Guy's need some advice to +24 fear whit lim and oros, kynda stuck whit it (other than get good please)

[plain fossil]

24 pan isnt too bad, just do the usual pan things with poseidon hera demeter

[white oak]

Allright Will give it a try, I reached to cerberus last time whit the aspect of melinoe half dead

[hollow stag]

I got weapon aspects trigger on Night 14.

Unfortunately I need a full run on the surface to get enough copper for it.

[hallow quiver]

it just happens when youve done a run with each weapon

[dry mirage]

going into tartarus on 32 heat. momus staff with poseidon special, double moonshot, all 3 death defiances. do i take extra DD or white antler

[hallow quiver]

are you using strength arcana

[dry mirage]

yes

[hallow quiver]

just depends what type of player you are then, either are going to work fine

[dry mirage]

alright

most stressful fight of my life. max forced overtime Chronos is smth else man

decently unlucky too. only had 3 boons the whole run

[bleak night]

You'll get used to it eventually dw

[gaunt jetty]

I think its ok if you already have the +2 skulls hammer and just want to melee skull

[acoustic remnant]

how do y’all kill cyclops

[sour cape]

I just didnt take the timer for 32

tooo stressful 😭

[plain fossil]

the piece of advice that helped me the most was to try and not dash backwards if at all possible

[dry mirage]

i finished with like 5 minutes extra lol, it seems a little free

[sour cape]

Erebus takes too long

[plain fossil]

u want to be standing just far enough away that u dont get hit when he jumps at u

[lusty heron]

Not sure if this helps you but how far is your metaprogression ? I found that stuff like maxed hp from frinos and arcana upgrades made the game soo much easier

[civic ocean]

just did 6 32 rotating and died to chronos 3 times lmaoooo so bad at that fight

air fryer was 3 for 3 I just threw

[lusty heron]

Phase shift the timeslow from selene is also really good for olympus path

[civic ocean]

It even came together on a Selene start

[hollow stag]

Nope. I haven’t used any other weapon aside from staff

[acoustic remnant]

I have just unlocked frinos

[sour cape]

Dang thats good

[civic ocean]

Its good I'm just bad atm

[acoustic remnant]

I have most weapons I think im missing skull

[delicate spindle]

https://ibb.co/6HWFvxd I highly recommend this build with aspect of charon. You can wipe out whole boards with a single special. Chronos also beomes trivial

[civic ocean]

If he doesn't bodyblock me and then cross map me on the instakill I think the second mel torch air fryer run won so gotta get better at that

[tired fulcrum]

Where the duo

[plain fossil]

i tried doing this thing i hated it

[delicate spindle]

I got the duo but i didnt even use it once

[tired fulcrum]

Charon activates the duo

When you blow up the regular cast

[delicate spindle]

oh ok. i meant i never did an omega cast. Just did normal cast and hit it with special

[tired fulcrum]

just learn to dash iframe it

[civic ocean]

It definitely feels a bit slow to kill grandpa but it's extremely safe - good praccy for the fight

[plain fossil]

mel torches has lots of damage and requires u to play like an idiot and take lots of hits while air fryer setup requires u to click no defensive nodes

[civic ocean]

I mean unironically I would have won if I did that so

[plain fossil]

its kinda troll imo

[civic ocean]

It's v bad on mel torshes ye

That's one of the worst weps to play it on sry u had that experience

[plain fossil]

i didnt hate it on momus but i wa also like well this is so much more effort than the 0iq poseidon setup lul

its amusing tho i will give it that

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's not v good on momus relative to other stuff either

The stuff I like it on is Mel staff and Per Skull because the Zeus start is strong there

It's like pretty good on Pan tho again Pan has better options

[brazen ore]

soot sprint completely trivializes eris .. like every single one of her attacks is suspect to it. i had the hestia/poseidon duo and barely did anything to her the entire run and she just killed herself with steam damage

[plain fossil]

is it rly better than a % setup on mel staff

i never tried

[civic ocean]

I think it's like good to start Zeus cast on Mel staff, and I like the build so I transition into it and it gets me to Chronos 100% of my last 3 runs at 32

I just actually stand there and let him hit me in phase 2 some times I like giga choke the fight

[plain fossil]

lul ok

i will try it

[civic ocean]

I think Apollo Strike/Special Mel Staff is also like probably a little better way to play the wep, it's just my personal preference/liking the build

[plain fossil]

mel staff is pretty defensive natural setup so i can kinda see it

[civic ocean]

It's pretty hard to keep the scorch stacked up on Chronos unfort

like the fight does go long, P1 you are super duper safe but P2 I think it's rough

That being said he did make it impossible for me to get to the instakill spots 3 our of 4 times in 2 fights so

It's hard to judge the build at that point because I also like played very badly

[plain fossil]

i will try at some point

[forest veldt]

oh, r u guys talking about omega special on torches? may be rly good if scorch doesn't have icd like pos

[civic ocean]

nah mel staff

I would not recommend AQ Scorch except on Eos as a fun build

I think the only wep it may actually be BIS is Persephone but even then it's a greedy build

And the build does kinda fall apart if Storm Ring is nerfed, and Storm Ring might get nerfed

[forest veldt]

might be nice on torhces tho/ has good theorietical w/ pos but there is an icd on teh flames. if applies on each flame w/ sorch good potential

maybe even works w/ the explosion after hitting limit

[plain fossil]

it applies on each flame with scorch its still trashcan

[civic ocean]

I think you'd rather just be Aph and kill them

[plain fossil]

im more of a demeter enjoyer but sure that works too

[civic ocean]

Or demeter and not die yue

Air Fryer works pretty well on weapons that don't need much to get off the ground offensively, and have decent defensive options

[delicate spindle]

what is Air Fryer?

[civic ocean]

Scorch + Air Quality

[plain fossil]

its what these guys are calling the scorch + zeus infusion setup

it does approximately 1 gazillion damage but it requires u to click all these gods and god buffs that dont help u survive

[civic ocean]

It also doesn't really do 1 gazillion damage either because you have to keep the fire going and if you're running for ur life it's hard to do that

[plain fossil]

i mean if ur running for ur life most weapons do a lot less damage than AQ scorch lul

[civic ocean]

Kinda, they do more like per hit

[forest veldt]

torches omega mel w/ scorch is 1.6k base. ~2.4 w/ 3 flames hammer

[civic ocean]

I mean I guess it's like possible to do with mel torches but you'd have to be the goat at not getting hit

[forest veldt]

oh ya, thinking just about dmg potential not actual gameplay. seems like cool application of scorch

[plain fossil]

ye its too hard and its way less safe than three shotting all the mobs with aph or chainfreezing them with demeter

[civic ocean]

the next step is figuring out if I want to incorp thermal dynamics

[plain fossil]

heartthrobs are op btw

even if ur not using aph special they hit so hard

[quiet axle]

Axe special (shielding) blocks all of Eris attacks, too

[forest veldt]

u found any good uses for that? seems rly bad since dont get many blitz procs

[plain fossil]

and then u got the upside from +2 etc

[civic ocean]

so what happens is you need to hit the boss twice

and then by then you get to 200 or so scorch and then the scorch ticks the blitz and reapplies more scorch than it loses

so all you ahve to do is reapply blitz

[plain fossil]

i mean ok fine but how do u reapply blitz without losing uptime on what ur actually supposed to be hitting the boss with

[civic ocean]

But getting it to go is pretty hard to do because of Forsaking and needing a Zeus Strike/Flourish

[forest veldt]

ya seems like a lot, good if high dps but wouldn't think its much

[civic ocean]

Generally it works pretty well to just do Apply Blitz - Zeus Cast - apply blitz again and then you're set up

[spring cloud]

Several people’s victory channel screens saying they took damage from ||hera||, how does that happen

[civic ocean]

gods get mad sometimes

[spring cloud]

Oh RIGHT

[random rover]

Well, just crossed Hestia for the first and last time. Might be as bad as Demeter

[plain fossil]

hera is one of the better ones to get mad btw its very easy to avoid

[civic ocean]

its not a question of if theremal is better, it for sure is, it's a question of like damn going for a duo boon 5 air and scorch is like that's actually not consistern

[hollow stag]

What’s the default rarity rates for common, rare, epic, heroic, duo, legendary?

[civic ocean]

But I was really pleasantly surprised at how quickly AQ scorch came together even on the selene start

[plain fossil]

as far as we can tell theyre the same as h1, but i dont think anybody has dug into it that deeply

[blissful wren]

how does aq interact with scorch, whats scorchs tick rate?

[civic ocean]

takes it from 40 to 180 dps essentially, with the occasionaly extra 30 thrown in there

so if you have say 300 scorch on a target, that target will take about 1350 damage over 7.5 seconds

[hollow stag]

My bad. I used the axe on first surface run.

[sturdy trail]

Does anyone know if Vow of Suffering can be negated by boons that absorb one instance of dmg? or any other means?

[civic ocean]

yes - most commonly, vow of suffering can be negated by Trusty Shield - you never take spill damage over from armor

But you ahve to TAKE damage for Suffering to go away.

[delicate spindle]

10

[civic ocean]

It's not 10

[glossy rivet]

Suffering still loses to coarse grit though right

[civic ocean]

Yes

[glossy rivet]

Goated s tier infusion

[ionic moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243205888010092665/1243318526740009030/coarse-grit-morpheus.png?ex=66510a1c&is=664fb89c&hm=4ffc176811d8153bfa5cfed5a6aa8c6fd08f8606cc89fbf35e3909c80a22ac48&

[hazy forge]

no idea what thats supposed to mean

[bleak night]

Mel doesn't need to rely on training alone because Coarse Grit is busted and is pretty much godsend

[hazy forge]

what is supposed to be the implied statement that Demeter is responding to here

thats what doesnt make sense

its like only hearing half of a conversation...

[bleak night]

Oh, yeah you might need the scene for it.

[hazy forge]

it could be any one of a million things she has said... just tell me

[bleak night]

looking for a script, I don't quite recall it

[bleak night]

A bit of a reach with the Demeter thing, but I kinda get it. It's blind belief in something. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243452277499625482/image.png?ex=665186ad&is=6650352d&hm=afaa9fd6e29ee0c469974107dda311bec4ed0fe8bce662f819723a6294745d1d&

[hazy forge]

i had no idea this had anything to do with the matrix

[novel maple]

not recognizing matrix quotes immediately smh

[glossy wolf]

Hey guys, how can i post image there?

[bleak night]

post in private discord or a dm, open in browser and copy link

Sucks that it has to be that way, but it's a workaround that's accepted

[glossy wolf]

Okay thx man

I'll have only one question, for axe players

[civic ocean]

The answer is a left joycon and a mouse

[bleak night]

[glossy wolf]

Are we agree that "Advancing Whirlwind" boon is bad / should be improved (maybe?) ? The fact that it can't be cancelled (by a dash f.e) makes this boon the worst daedalus for the axe?

[bleak night]

Yeah, I hate taking Advancing Whirlwind unless I have Psychic Whirlwind already

The fact that you can't dash out makes it a detriment, since it's counterintuitive

You wanna charge it up so it stays out longer, but the longer you charge it up, the longer you're vulnerable to anything because you can't dodge

[bleak stag]

best boon loadout for thanatos axe?

[civic ocean]

Its so high dmg but yeah it's brutal that you cant get out

[hazy forge]

i really dont like the way it works in that regard, and it does need to be changed, however i almost never get hit while using advancing whirlwind
its still just a pretty safe move

[civic ocean]

Apollo + either or both duos that jack up the omega special, zeus or demeter or both

[bleak night]

What type of build are you trying to go for ? Pure offense with whirl, mixed offense with whirl + cast, or mixed offense/defense ?

[civic ocean]

Oh it got edited

[glossy wolf]

Yea good take

[hazy forge]

Apollo Cast, and Omega Cast Duo's

[wet nova]

Had anyone seen coarse grit + god mode to see how low damage received can go😂

[bleak stag]

i guess i don't know how to play axe in general

[bleak night]

Why Apollo Omega Cast, Pluh is asking about Than, not Charon

The Omega Cast that works with it is mostly Zeus, you'd prefer Aphro or Dem on the base cast though

[civic ocean]

They said Charon first then it changed or maybe im just senile

[bleak night]

the message isn't edited in my screen, so idk

[civic ocean]

Yeah im just okd

[bleak stag]

i said than

[bleak night]

Yeah, for Than are you doing certain Fear vows or just going for a test run ?

[civic ocean]

Than axe you can kinda just go trip earths and tank up

[bleak stag]

i heard people mention it i just unlocked aspects an hour ago

[hazy forge]

i swear i also saw them say CCharon
mandela effect i stg

[bleak night]

Oh, Than Axe in early levels is kinda nothing noteworthy, you need levels on it before it becomes decent

4% crit chance at level 1 after 20 stacks is kinda

[hazy forge]

4% for 4 stacks

[bleak night]

oh til

[hazy forge]

you increase the maximum, you always gain 1% per stack

[bleak stag]

it goes up to 20?

[bleak night]

Still, kinda negligible you gotta admit. I suggest trying Charon Axe if you wanna unlock something

[hazy forge]

ye, 20% at rank 5 of the aspect

[bleak stag]

resources say no atm

[bleak night]

You can play Mel Axe and just play it a bit like Than then, build is close to the same if you wanna whirl

[tame fern]

I've never built around axe omega attack, what's good about it?

[bleak night]

It's good for staggering groups of enemies that you clump up together

[hazy forge]

its very very safe, since enemies taking damage (and alot of damage) stuns them (or breaks armor to then stun them)

[bleak night]

In general, I mostly play whirling Axe in higher Fears since I enjoy the playstyle

but, Pluh, if you wanna do Mel Axe, I suggest doing either Apollo or Aphro since you're kinda new to it.

Apollo has higher range, meaning your AoE during spins is also wider. Generally, it's a safe build. Aphro will give you good damage, meanwhile

[tame fern]

I typically favor Mel basic attack builds

[bleak night]

Mel Basic Attack builds are neat, I just hate the Big Chop a lot, so I find myself animation cancelling it out so I can revert back to swing 1 and 2

[tame fern]

How do you animation cancel out of that one?

[bleak night]

It's pretty inconsistent rn, but you can tap a shield sometimes and it just ends, allowing you to revert. Otherwise, you have to just wait a certain short delay after swing 2 before you start swinging again. Preferable, you can just do a dash attack after swing 2 and it reverts back to the rotation's beginning

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238142681339662427/Axe_no_third_hit.mp4?ex=663e35ba&is=663ce43a&hm=96d5fe1e8bb5fddbcc2e93f11f2e94030eafd6926352a398d69a84bb55754484

Mel Axe takes a lot of practice to properly play

else you're kinda lugging a really sluggish weapon

Here's a sample combo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242331304457142302/practice3.mp4?ex=66516730&is=665015b0&hm=d2fd8ff793937281dff3d236db0b460766d125e1fbd7e8bc37caab2b319fc690&

[tame fern]

Huh, I got used to dashing mid-3rd-attack instead

What's the purpose of doing the special at the beginning there?

[bleak night]

it cancels animations to make them faster + it can store properties of the windup

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238144125207842887/Axe_absorb_animation.mp4?ex=663e3713&is=663ce593&hm=fb8e37c7ffd449b2b9964d5fe6b316d30c0c8aebab9a84cbee123713821d7253

can also do it with dash https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238148385215615007/Attack_cancel_into_Dash.mp4?ex=663e3b0a&is=663ce98a&hm=ed03ebce61265dc64036cad69f5abcb390ffff0d5f9245ae79f1d35882c82e97

[tame fern]

So it's like you attack, cancel attack with something, then next time you attack then the windup is reduced?

[bleak night]

Yep, easiest to do it with rn consistently is dash

[sudden belfry]

gimme ur best aspect of pan builds

[tame fern]

Does Swift Runner make any difference in these?

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240951606393176155/Dash_Shield_Attack.mp4?ex=6649167e&is=6647c4fe&hm=1017c11722217d244ef3d59c11b8593ee50559c2d634e0499cd23972cfa7ac10

[bleak night]

Some of the clips I have were before patch 1, but I can definitely say that Swift Runner hasn't changed much in terms of Axe combos

[tame fern]

Poseidon special, Hestia cast and fireball, steam

[bleak night]

try either Steam or Thermal Dynamics

[sudden belfry]

what are those two again?

[bleak night]

Steam is Hestia-Poseidon, Thermal Dynamics is Hestia-Zeus

[sudden belfry]

im bad at remembering boon names lol
oo gotcha!

[bleak night]

Scorch builds are fun to try out

[tame fern]

Steam is Poseidon + Hestia dual boon, if you inflict an enemy with burn and slip at the same time they emit steam which damages them rapidly and continuously

Are these axe combos worth doing if you have faster attacks (like that one no-omega-attack hammer)?

[bleak night]

They're definitely much more worth doing if you have Marauder Slash, yeah

[tame fern]

Really, more worth doing? I would've thought they'd be less valuable since you have less windup anyway

[bleak night]

You can chain combo them a lot easier, with the dashes in between giving you really good mobility so you dash throughout the room while doing swing 1 and 2s

The reduction of windup in swing 1 doesn't matter as much as the reduction of windup in swing 2, allowing it to be almost as easy to cancel as 1 is

Give it a try when you find the hammer again, I don't typically go for it since I barely play Mel now

[tame fern]

Huh, thank you, lots to think about

Wonder if Arthur had this kind of tech going on too

[bleak night]

This certainly isn't all that necessary, that being said, you can play keep away with Mel Axe quite fine without labbing the weapon, but it's just an alternative playstyle that you can easily swap between

The difference between rushdown Axe tech and keep away tactics for me are enemy types, for the most part

[warped harness]

i dont like how apect of persephone fully charged couldnt finish off cerbie at half

i have aphro special on it, its not pommed or boosted much but for how long it takes to charge i wouldve hoped for more

[bleak night]

I've no real comment on full Glory joyrides

I barely get it to happen in runs, after all

[warped harness]

ive gotten a few

[sudden belfry]

ayyy got the duo first attempt

[warped harness]

theyre strong but it just feels wierd having to wait so long to charge the main fun part of the aspect

[bleak night]

which one are you doing ? Steam ?

[oak zephyr]

I started a new save file because I felt like Id just made silly choices in leveling up aspects ect too fast, its tempting to torture myself more and also not use godmode at all but that is silly

[bleak night]

how come you find it an issue to level up aspects quickly ?

[oak zephyr]

I basically leveled I think staff and skull to max before even like figuring out if I liked them

So it feels a bit silly that I did that and if I start over I can use those resources more carefully

[cyan nest]

I think it would be faster to use your already progressed file.

[bleak night]

Oh, the resources are kinda unlimited anyway since Nightmare can be bought with bones. Would it not be better to just keep using your save ?

[cyan nest]

There's not a big ftp load of resources right at the beginning

[oak zephyr]

See that was something I didnt know!

This discord is a wealth of info I did not have before lol

[bleak night]

That being said, probs stick to your file then. What did you upgrade exactly ?

if it's the base aspects, iirc they don't even use Nightmare

[sudden belfry]

ohhh steam is nice

[sudden belfry]

yup

[oak zephyr]

Staff and Skull M aspect completely

[bleak night]

I've never actually tried Steam. What's the strat ? Are you using Hestia Cast and Poseidon Spec ?

[sudden belfry]

yup and also hestia attack

[bleak night]

Ah, I see

[cyan nest]

Staff M seems very solid

[bleak stag]

executioner's chop + hell splitter?

very odd

[oak zephyr]

Yeah I think I just need to start playing way more deliberately than I have been, I kinda jumped in and treated it like hades 1

[bleak night]

if just Mel aspects then you haven't really used rare materials yet, at the very least

So you can afford to not make a new file and keep going

[oak zephyr]

Cheers! The trail rewards are also not that rare right? I thought they were but maybe not?

[bleak night]

trail ?

[oak zephyr]

Chaos stuff

[versed bear]

What am I missing about the torches? I can't seem to do anything that makes them not suck.

[bleak night]

Oh, the Trial. You can use the stardust for other things like making cookies to level up your pets

[bleak night]

For the base Mel Torches, it's just special spam for the most part. Eos Torches are what people seem to rave about though

[oak zephyr]

Oh butts sorry for the typo there XD How far can you level up the pets?

[bleak night]

Maximum of three rank ups on each of the three traits a pet has, you'll see eventually. But, basically you can feed it like 9x

[hazy crane]

oh, @bleak night , making sure you saw these

[versed bear]

Maybe I'm just bad with the weapon. It seems entirely too finicky and underpowered.

[bleak night]

Oooh, so you can cancel the big chop anim with a cast charge-up ?

Neat, til.

[bleak night]

I have a meme build if you wanna try it. It's pretty interesting

[oak zephyr]

Cheers!

[warped harness]

#h2-victory-boasting message lightning does really good damage i think? the zeus cast it's really good

[versed bear]

I'll try anything to make the weapon more interesting.

[bleak stag]

this setup is cracked actually

does up to 1600 damage because apollo double hit too

• mana regen is necessary

[versed bear]

I have an aspect that I enjoy for three of the five weapons so far. The only one I feel at all comfortable with is Momus and kind of Artemis.

The Explosive Ambush + Weed Killer combo is kind of nuts.

[bleak night]

Oh, you interested in the Pink Aura build ?

[versed bear]

Sure, let's see it.

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=66515c8e&is=66500b0e&hm=3a11a077fe23d27a5c2b660c00bd9e985b23696b7974fc0d33555bfc5a411d03&

[hazy crane]

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=66515e3e&is=66500cbe&hm=9ad8af8c44a72292c3a586e49926a74d417f81732dedc6bab548c3f80b616558&

I like how I basically post this once a day now

[versed bear]

Okay, so what's the build here.

[warped harness]

aphro special, heartthrob boon, aphro apollo duo

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1243466651370782790/Hades_II_2024-05-24_00-31-03.mp4?ex=66519410&is=66504290&hm=98947023b7ba730ec26a24999a46abaf68bffd1c0b493c0c5b6724eae813746f& mel skulls hammers kinda funny

[novel maple]

this gameplay though 😅

[warped harness]

where are you getting that damage tracker?

[bleak night]

Apollo on Attack to work towards his legendary, Aphrodite Special, Hera mana regen, Heart Breaker for the orbs, Aphrodite and Apollo Duo for +2 orbs more than usual per 30 mana

[warped harness]

mynt whats your arcana setup for the pink aura? the bone bonus is on the torches again

[bleak night]

I forgot at this point. I think East has a guide up on it

[warped harness]

o ok

[bleak night]

https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/Resources/Aspect of Melinoe Flames - Incredible Balls

the build in general is versatile, and you don't necessarily need Apollo legendary to get it off the ground, it just makes it funny

[versed bear]

Thinking of legendaries, I've been trying to get Demeter's for a while now. Is there something I need to do other than get specific boons?

[bleak night]

just the specific boons. Though it might be good to have the guide open for when you aim for duos/leges

[warped harness]

START OF THE PINK AURA RUN WE GET TRIPLE HELIX

[bleak night]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[bleak night]

Oooh, it's all coming together. Hope you get some good boons

[warped harness]

IT'S NEVER BEEN MORE REAL

[timber fractal]

What're good hammers for element of pan

[warped harness]

any special hammer is honestly going to work

[timber fractal]

Is hook knives good?

[bleak night]

Anything special just works well on it

[timber fractal]

cause theresd hook knives and concentrated fury

[warped harness]

concentrated is rly nice

[bleak night]

what are those two again? I'm bad with the names of hammers

[timber fractal]

Will conc. fury be good for bosses?

[warped harness]

concentrated is the +4 power per hit on the same target

[timber fractal]

hook does 50+% for striking from behind and they return to you

[bleak night]

is concentrated that one that lets you charge faster and at 66% less cost ?

[warped harness]

nah

[timber fractal]

thats a diff one but that ones my fave