h2-builds-and-combat

[civic ocean]

I don't even run furies tbh

[dry mirage]

that's a hammer for torches lol

[civic ocean]

oh you got big balls ye

thats pretty good, it's growing coils

[bleak night]

I run Furies on Charon

[dry mirage]

yeah 💀

[bleak night]

Oh, I thought that said Glowing Coals lol

[tiny wasp]

while im here has anyone figured a decent torch build for the Aspects other than Melinoe's? The attack is just so clunky that i dont like using those aspects

[civic ocean]

Yeah me too because it works on solar ring for some reason lmao

[dry mirage]

oh i just cant read oopsies

[civic ocean]

yes, Eos is pretty popular

[bleak night]

I still need loadouts so I don't need to redo it every time

[civic ocean]

part of the reason I'm writing all these guys is so I can remember my own loadouts lmao

[bleak night]

like, I remove Huntress for Charon because base special is useless for damage

[turbid hull]

Can you send a link to your site?

[bleak night]

nowadays, most of what I run Huntress for is so I can keep Divinity

[civic ocean]

yuck

[bleak night]

can you send me your loadouts

[tiny wasp]

that is the only one i could see being somewhat fun and actually do some damage. I tried it once but just ended up using the special again mostly because of what the build turned into

[bleak night]

I honestly think Mel has space for 10 more grasp down the line

[civic ocean]

uhh there's the 3 on the vercel site and then the pan and momus ones on the SS

I am a excellence/divinity hater and I also don't like huntress very much except when running Panic

I also am kind of an Origination hater on Torch/Axe/.Skull

[turbid hull]

thanks for sharing

[civic ocean]

More specifically mel torch/charon axe/zeus cast perseph skull I don't think origination is consistent on those

[bleak night]

Tough times

[civic ocean]

Kinda, it means I get to run moon on the casts and artificer on the torches

[bleak night]

Arcana def needs loadout slots compared to Mirror of Night, which has names on it + little icons so you can instantly remember what they do

[strange kite]

that’s also what i do but i think the other binds are fine

too bad i cant rebind pause because the game hates mouse and keyboard

[dry mirage]

well i got everything except appollo's legendary and the perfect hammer so not horrible imo, time for eris

[civic ocean]

im experimenting with rebinding cast on controller

I think having all 4 actions on the buttons is probably not gaming

[bleak night]

Not bad as is

[turbid hull]

did someone already get Heroic Chaos "Chant" Boon?

[spare kite]

I do cast on L1

[turbid hull]

I want to know if it's actually +48% Omega Move damage per Aether or if I'm bad at math

[uncut ginkgo]

Anyone nkow if you get more bones from fishing or digging?

[harsh bronze]

I changed it to shift and I can’t press it as space anymore

[bleak night]

Fishing should net you more since the rarest flower is only like 25 or 35 bones

[dry mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/846208573117562893/1243266879007621210/image.png?ex=6650da02&is=664f8882&hm=4965a1ac463a138389c77c27fd55ef9dc9e3e5b9f4725f040c85dff0646447dd& yeah this was really fun

[turbid hull]

Are the curses affected by the Rarity multiplier as well?

[bleak night]

Try it in UW runs for Torch so you have more boons and hammers to work with

[harsh bronze]

@bleak night is there a good build for Axe in the game? I see it as great weapon but didn’t manage to find something

[dry mirage]

yeah that's fair i was just trying to get the nightmare lol

[bleak night]

What aspect are you trying to use ?

[bleak night]

You'll get more nmare testaments for it, and the Pink Aura will taunt you to try it again

[harsh bronze]

I don’t know which one is goo

[civic ocean]

All of the above really

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1241550404211310676/Hades_II_2024-05-18_17-33-22_-_Trim.mp4?ex=66508a2b&is=664f38ab&hm=c051c64770c45f6ca16a8d026600f43b78245db8f48b8712f3289d8e3ac25810& do the charon nuke build

[harsh bronze]

Good*

[bleak night]

They kinda all play differently for the most part

[civic ocean]

Here's a Charon guide https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/Resources/Aspect of Charon - The Ion Cannon

[bleak night]

Mel Axe is focused on swinging and big chop, Charon is pure bombardment, Than is whirling and either defensive or offensive cast usage

[civic ocean]

Are we all more of less in agreeance that the only two bad aspects are like...Circe and Moros?

Is Moros bad?

[bleak night]

Moros is just buggy

Collision issues

[harsh bronze]

Thanks

[bleak night]

If you find an aspect that appeals to you, then lmk, I can give you a build

[harsh bronze]

I will try them out then i will let you know I appreciate it

[civic ocean]

Circe is like...what do you even do, Air Fryer pretty much all that comes to mind that you wouldn't just run Mel Staff for?

[bleak night]

Sure thing

[dry mirage]

this might be dumb but are you only able to roll minor reward doors into other minor reward doors

[civic ocean]

yes, notably NOT shops or companions

[dry mirage]

alright bet

[turbid hull]

@bleak night do you know if the rarity multiplier applies to the cursed part of Chaos Boons as well?

[bleak night]

One of those things you kinda wish they explained when activating that Arcana

[turbid hull]

e.g. is there a rare/epic/heroic version of this boon part that makes the number of fights higher https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243268702892331118/image.png?ex=6650dbb5&is=664f8a35&hm=fce87c1c6a9af4fa139c9e6323f0bb4d535aac04f4419e7bbd2fca7ab9038e51&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=152

[bleak night]

I don't think so? Feels random to me. I can find the same boon (Epic tier), but the condition is less encounters than a Rare version

[civic ocean]

I do not think I have seen Pauper go beyond 4 floors

[turbid hull]

Well it's random

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243269036460998856/image.png?ex=6650dc05&is=664f8a85&hm=10643c1011fb0a9a273eebfa54a5b91e84e8c63c9877cf027ee7666e53e1e1b1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=363

[civic ocean]

lmao nice

[bleak night]

For Heroic Chaos boons, the only choice is Barren as a curse, I feel

[civic ocean]

I haven't seen heroic that wasn't barren myself

[bleak night]

Must be a req then

[civic ocean]

I also haven't seen barren in 300+ chaos floors

[turbid hull]

Well you need to have another Chaos boon

[civic ocean]

Ah so probably more like 50+ then

[turbid hull]

and it looks like it's a 10% chance

[civic ocean]

sounds about right, just unlucky

[turbid hull]

seems like it has some stuff with rarity going on yeah https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243269674267840522/image.png?ex=6650dc9d&is=664f8b1d&hm=e9058b193410323828ff52752901a90ffcd934b63a3b62a2ed4c5dcb6d9ccea4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=412&height=152

[stable sable]

im so sadge, i got double hammer from echo once and never again

[dry mirage]

ik itd be really broken and theres a good reason it doesnt work but sometimes i reallllly want rerolls to work on hammers

[full yarrow]

spamming axe omega is fun with charon axe

[stable sable]

extra special on torch

[bleak night]

Big explosion is fun

[full yarrow]

like i pick apollo cast and demete special

with fire extra when omega special

boom boom boom

[stable sable]

spamming axe omega special is fun until you cant do it without taking hits for it cuz the rooms are flooded with enemies

[bleak night]

Try it with Zeus

Apollo-Zeus is fun on it

[stable sable]

i wanted to

[bleak night]

Also makes your Casts ranged

[full yarrow]

thats when u dont have faster omega boon

[stable sable]

but fear 24 said "D I E !"

[bleak night]

Might need to position better before letting it go in that case

[stable sable]

also ngl the more i play the more demeter cast is becoming my favorite

[full yarrow]

still they didnt fix the dash omega direct, still sad

[tired fulcrum]

Just do dash redirects https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1243096543683416136/Hades_II_2024-05-23_00-01-06.mp4?ex=66503b5f&is=664ee9df&hm=a3759a4f806d1213dff13a7f504bfbfa32088dc5d629c4eff9ec4696129ebca6&

[bleak night]

Dash Omega Direct ?

It works already, though

You can do retreating ones

[full yarrow]

when u dash your omega axe special go where u dashing to not where u aiming for?

[tired fulcrum]

#h2-builds-and-combat message double tap attack while dashing

[bleak night]

Tap attack while aiming for the direction you want

[turbid hull]

Enshrouded seems sooooo bad

[full yarrow]

that nothing the fun is when u have the fire cast and u still have the demete cyclone with ur cast, that is pure joy

[tired fulcrum]

Is that hidden room rewards. Just luck in to the rooms you want frfr

[turbid hull]

yeah

[full yarrow]

okie dokie

[bleak night]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

Takes a while, but you can get them looking cleaner with some practice

[turbid hull]

Also it seems like Enshrouded only appears at certain floors?

[bleak night]

Enshrouded are annoying because I can't damage them outside of the fog

[turbid hull]

    {
        InheritFrom = { "ChaosCurse", "ChaosLegacyTrait" },
        Icon = "Boon_Chaos_03",
        GameStateRequirements =
        {
            {
                PathTrue = { "CurrentRun", "BiomesReached", "F" },
            },
            {
                PathFalse = { "CurrentRun", "BiomesReached", "I" },
            },
        },
        HiddenRoomReward = true,
        UsesAsRooms = true,
        RemainingUses =
        {
            BaseMin = 4,
            BaseMax = 6,
            AsInt = true,
        }
    },```

[stable sable]

demeter however has some underwhelming duo boons

[turbid hull]

No clue what F and I mean as floors though

But seems like you have to have reached F, but not I yet (F G H I maybe?)

[stable sable]

they could have given her duo boons that add thunder or fire to her blizzards and i simply cannot understand why they chose not to

[full yarrow]

hestia hera dou is useless in chrono chamber dun u think?

no shade in that room for sure

[bleak night]

They need to buff or change Scorch before that duo becomes useful is all

Wait nvm Hera Hestia is the shade thing

Yeah I just never run that, lol

[full yarrow]

sorry wrong one hestua aprodite?

[tired fulcrum]

Hera hestia is funeral pyre

[bleak night]

I don't even remember a lot of Hestia's duos

[full yarrow]

remember only steam one, funny for sure

[bleak night]

I only know Dem's for double scorch, Poseidon's for Steam, Zeus for Thermal Dynamics and Apollo's Phoenix Skin

[iron flame]

does chaos legendary boon have any requirements? or is it jsut very rare and i need to reroll a lot

[full yarrow]

@bleak night reroll alottttt

[bleak night]

Steam kinda weird because it obscures the enemy from my vies

[iron flame]

thank you kay!

[turbid hull]

You need atleast one Chaos boon and it then has 10% chance of dropping

[bleak night]

Apparently it's having an activated Chaos boon as a prerequisite, aside from that, good luck and rerolls

[turbid hull]

Yep, that's it (the luck being 10%)

[bleak night]

Barren still sucks

[turbid hull]

Additional activated Chaos boons also don't increase the %

[full yarrow]

im choosing the stun 1.67s and thats my worst choice ever

[civic ocean]

The duo with aph makes twitch chat appear in the game

[split igloo]

what's considered the best weapon? staff bc of special spam?

[bleak night]

Huh

[bleak night]

Pretty much, yeah. Effortlessly get that 32 statue

[civic ocean]

16 shades per room that u can run into for explosions

[full yarrow]

idk whats the best but i hate skull

[civic ocean]

All weps gud

[split igloo]

skull is my favourite

[ionic moon]

yes momus with antler is the meta, but it's pretty unlikely to stay untouched til release

[split igloo]

figured

[civic ocean]

All weps have pretty reliable strats

[ionic moon]

being strong is one thing, but the playstyle of it i think is not great design

[civic ocean]

Staff has a lot of different playstyles though, not just momus

[iron flame]

idk if its the best weapon but i love the healing staff a lot.

[celest swallow]

momus and pan are topping the charts but all the weapons can do really well so yeah, just play your favorite

[sour cape]

Thats Momus

[split igloo]

yeah i didn't know how busted special was so i used mostly primary attack and omega attack with casts and that playstyle was a lot more fun than spamming normal special

[sour cape]

Its got the heal but not what makes it op

[tall notch]

Every weapon is 100% viable for 32 fear and I thiiink they all cleared 40 fear too

[iron flame]

i just love the staff being well rounded, has good range for attack, omega special is good aoe, omega attack has long range as well , its not too fast or slow, feels easy to dodge with it as well

[sour cape]

Yea!

[tame vapor]

pan? i thought artemis was the better option?

[sour cape]

Its like the spear with a good ranged option

[bleak night]

I like Axe because I can shut my brain off and still win

[sour cape]

How you deal with the shields on axe?

[bleak night]

Cast usually

[sour cape]

I hate them 💀

[celest swallow]

in terms of what's dominating for speedruns pan is the one up there with momus, if you prefer artemis then play artemis, one isn't better than the other per se

[tall notch]

~~You don't ~~

[sour cape]

And revs if you kill them off screen with Omega special

[bleak night]

I prio Dem cast now if I can help it, otherwise Hera attack does the job for me

[sour cape]

that just makes me really upset

[tame vapor]

yeah i know i was just surprised that its all the way up there with momus

[full yarrow]

sister blade melione with extra backstab from hammer is strong with demete attack or with aprodite. Tons of dmg

[split igloo]

i hope they don't nerf born gain too much

[tame vapor]

try that but aspect of artemis

[celest swallow]

it can delete people on demand pretty much constantly and, like momus, benefits from poseidon a lot cos lots of hits with boosted base damage gud

[tame vapor]

and use parry as much as possivle

[sour cape]

I hope they buff Zeus and Demeter gains

[summer root]

chaos gave me pauper defiance we love to see it

[full yarrow]

i like old zeus boon

[sour cape]

and op hammers too

[split igloo]

zeus feels so weird rn

[bleak night]

Lucky find

[sour cape]

Both spiral and the backstab one

[tame vapor]

well then im gonna need to play it more see why its power myself

[dry mirage]

ok underworld run with the pink aura has everything except a good hammer lol

[sour cape]

Go Poseidon, Hera for Born Again, then get the hammer for spiral/hook knives

[summer root]

I only had to spend 3 rerolls

[sour cape]

and unlimited power 👀👀

[summer root]

💀

[bleak night]

You use 10 on your Arcana or just 6 ?

[summer root]

10

[bleak night]

Ah, I see

[spice ibex]

I'm going crazy

I haven't unlocked aspects yet

[split igloo]

whats the meta for arcana loadouts

[bleak night]

Keep swapping weapons and beating her with em ig, unsure what else. Also check your incantations to see if the aspects are there already

[bleak night]

Seems to prio rerolls for the full buuld rather than raw stats for early

[spice ibex]

Where ?

[tame vapor]

when you run momus what should you get after pos special

[bleak night]

Incantations cauldron

[spice ibex]

oh lmao

[bleak night]

...are they there already ?

[blissful wren]

you need slip, then another curse to trigger origination, also check the requirements for poseidon legendary cuz its rly good

[spice ibex]

I'm in a run but that's a big fat chance

[sour cape]

Zeus imo

for the chain lightning

[spice ibex]

Doing a knives aphrodite omega special run

[sour cape]

Demeters always good for cast

[bleak night]

Nice

[gilded kernel]

any tips for 32 heat, I'm kinda struggling

[blissful wren]

which weapon

[bleak night]

You can cheese with Momus

[gilded kernel]

yeah, i prefer Momus but still, it's really hard, it's harder not having 2 or more fast sequential dodges

[bleak night]

The game allows you to impede enemy movement with casts instead of making you more mobile with dashes, so gotta change your way of thinking while playing Hades II

[turbid hull]

how does Momus cheese? I'm not a good player I just datamine

[tall notch]

1. Get double moonshot 2) Get Poseidon special 3) Win

[tame vapor]

heals you to 50% health

[bleak night]

Spammable Poseidon Special that AoE splashes + your range allows you to play safe

[tame vapor]

plus you get special dmg

[stable sable]

I have come crashing down from up high

[gilded kernel]

what heat layout do you choose, is there a concencus yet on what's the easiest one

[turbid hull]

Thanks for the answers :)

I'm soon done with Chaos, too.

[civic ocean]

Poseidon aside Momus is just a crazy power boost to the staff special which normall does 10 but now does 40 before % modifiers or crits are added

So the base Staff with Huntress and Strength active would deal 20 damage, Momus deals 80

[bleak night]

I don't play Momus much, so idk a proper loadout for Fear

[stable sable]

I had been easily deleting all enemies in my way with just the damage from Demeter cast alone so I thought I would be fine playing a bit arrogant against chronos. But when I actually fought him suddenly I dealt far less damage than before and I was left to realise I had barely damaged chronos at all

[turbid hull]

I see better now. thanks

[astral edge]

it will always depend on what weapon and build you're going for, tbh
vow of arrogance is bugged right now (pomming a boon will remove the primed magick) so it's easy to add

[sour cape]

Oh really??

[tame vapor]

is it normal that i cant dash while spamming staff specials?

[turbid hull]

What is "pomming"?

[analog osprey]

does keepsake one count?

[tame vapor]

pom of power

leveing somethign up with it i think

[turbid hull]

Oh, okay, the Stack upgrade

[analog osprey]

nothing says filthy rich like ending a run at 3k gold after buying everything at charon's shop

[turbid hull]

Thanks. Sorry, I'm mostly playing french while discovering, only switching to english for datamining

[bleak night]

Unsure. Best just get one from a portal first before you start rerolling if you really need it for the prophecy

[civic frost]

How are y'all usually building Axe? Spin to win? Struggling with Charon Axe and Axe runs in general.

[blissful wren]

for charon axe you look for omega, special and cast damage boons, then look for a cast with high base damage

[turbid hull]

Wait, Paralyzing curse is soooo bad 💀

[blissful wren]

apollo and hera casts and special are good

[tired fulcrum]

Hera cast on charon

[strange kite]

theres the uh apollo cast which i think is what people use on charon axe and the special gets to trigger the omega explosions

and if u get zeus u can place it from a distance

[wet nova]

charon axe is just cast to win

[strange kite]

i never tried it tho

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1238498484454424650/8mb.video-vzT-vYgvmPA7.mp4?ex=6650a498&is=664f5318&hm=36ae17f4e0107e0ce67ca7923f4a07ceb1509d5bed1a1212c2582f670d228b3c&

[celest swallow]

cue obligatory "just don't get hit" 🥹

[turbid hull]

adorable pfp, though

[wet nova]

ideally you also want a ranged cast boon but I got unlucky here

place ranged cast -> use special -> wait for cast to run out then repeat

Charon is not really good for any cast but apollo

If you wanna try other casts better off using Thanatos

[blissful wren]

if you have the mana for it, it works with other casts so that you dont have to way for the cast to run out like with apollo

[turbid hull]

Chaos boons are FINALLY done, phew https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16jTOWHeBRMTRoui75dLP0oU0tGQC-b0QO3KEWGp3YZI/edit#gid=1993154585

[wet nova]

its not good with other casts because charon "ends" the cast with other casts they dont get any benefit from being ended (except poseidon I guess)

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1243104317834133625/Hades_II_2024-05-23_00-28-45_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6650429d&is=664ef11d&hm=117d606260dfea2f857f6a89dfe1a18dab7269d6d57076e8fc20d67557967f69& other casts for charon can probably be real if you do dash cast redirect spam with sudden cleaver

[tired fulcrum]

Poseidon cast is bugged and doesnt get buffed by charon

[wet nova]

but this doesnt do anything for other casts since they end and therefore wont do their damage over the duration

like that cast damage explosion at the end is independent of other casts modifiers

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah but you can spam the explosion. The explosion is buffed though

[wet nova]

afaik only poseidon adds to that end explosion, the rest are either before it ends or after it ends (apollo)

[tired fulcrum]

Poseidon doesnt add, it replaces the explosion

[wet nova]

the explosion damage is ok I guess

[wet nova]

never used the cast so mb didnt know

[tired fulcrum]

Like you can probably stack torrential a lot faster and spam like 2k damage explosions idk ill prob try it out later

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243283403382587432/image.png?ex=6650e966&is=664f97e6&hm=c89e65c2ef7b7aba681f1ca8d97cbcd0d51d704f1d091a750066ac34598c3ae5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=241 what happens if they are already maxed?

[blissful wren]

it still gets upgraded

[wet nova]

but the way charon works is basically incompatible with 5/7 gods worth of casts kinda (Hephaestus, Zeus, Demeter, Hestia all do damage during cast | Aphrodite and Hera technically doesnt even do damage | Apollo is the only one that benefits)

[turbid hull]

to a Circe-specific level I'm assuming?

[wet nova]

all keepsakes, aspects and arcanas have a +1 level that you can get through in run methods

but not outside of a run

[blissful wren]

yea DD goes to 4 dds, orgination goes to +63% dmg and so on

[turbid hull]

Guess I'll have to datamine that as well. Well I already did Aspects

[tired fulcrum]

Its just adds the same amount as the previous levels did

[turbid hull]

Until it doesn't (did you test them all?)

[wet nova]

yh I think everything scales linearly for arcanas, keepsakes and aspects

[turbid hull]

I thought too

[tired fulcrum]

I mean there isnt any arcana where that wouldnt make sense

[turbid hull]

But I ran into one example of Aspect that doesn't

[wet nova]

which one?

[turbid hull]

Rank VI Aspect of Persephone on Skull

[blissful wren]

what does it do

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243284263873544303/image.png?ex=6650ea33&is=664f98b3&hm=ec8dfce2b2a8beeaa1bb31d3b8afea735c4d5828c6a46c021667c72c90d1b5db&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=220

+40% instead of expected +35%

[tame vapor]

what should you put zeus on when running slip lightnign momus?

[blissful wren]

interesting, worth looking at for arcana then

[turbid hull]

It's probably an oversight

I would assume everything to scale linearly, but I will still check

[analog ether]

I mean, Demeter Zeus and Hestia kind of do, it's just in a not intuitive way.

[summer sorrel]

Hi all, curious what the INTENDED effect of the Concentrated Flurry hammer is (sounds like it may be bugged atm). Is the +4 power supposed to proc each hit of your omega knife throw? Or does your omega special just get +4 power per knife each time you use it consecutively? TIA

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl they probably just put the wrong number lol

[turbid hull]

yup, just found it funny and made me curious

[spice ibex]

@bleak night 😭 it's not there

[blissful wren]

was it the easiest game youve datamined? Cuz all the code is given to you in Lua

[wet nova]

unfortunately not even a way of testing it in training grounds lol

[turbid hull]

Yeah by far 💀

[blissful wren]

Lmao theyre based for that fr

[turbid hull]

They even left some comments 😭

[wet nova]

yh they really goated for that

[bleak night]

Damn. Might need to keep fighting Hecate until her dialogue progresses enough that she mentions it

[wet nova]

I guess I gotta spend one day going through it lol

[spice ibex]

really damn

[turbid hull]

I can even search in all the files at the same time with something as simple as notepad++

[knotty fulcrum]

what 3 cards should I start with judgement?

[turbid hull]

the other games I datamined are... less fun to datamine/mod

[blissful wren]

artificer, the death defiance one and unseen are what i go with, but sometimes origination or boatman instead of unseen

[knotty fulcrum]

artificer really?

[blissful wren]

its really good and it helps the early game a lot in which youre weak while waiting for judgement cards

[gilded kernel]

what's the build for aspect of medea skull

[knotty fulcrum]

ig I'll give it a try

[blissful wren]

get it to lvl 2 first if u can

[civic ocean]

Wdym by this

The other casts still do their thing except like poseidon

You can just also blow them up for 400 dmg if you want

[analog ether]

Charon also increases the duration of the Cast, which Demeter and Hestia do benefit from.

[civic ocean]

Even Zeus is like, if you cast the Omega cast manually you get more bolts

[turbid hull]

Well I'm gonna say I'm happy to be here, y'all are really cool and chill

[blissful wren]

Demeters alt cast singly handed applies originations

[strange kite]

ur not getting the most out of charon if ur not using something that is highly synergistic with the special

[analog ether]

I always figured that you'd want Aphrodite on attack and special.

Since you're constantly slamming into people.

[gilded kernel]

yeah, that makes sense

[blissful wren]

zues is the only one i wouldnt take because you dont want to wait to omega cast it

[turbid hull]

For anyone interested, the Word of Greater Girth increases the player size by 25%

[analog ether]

For hammers, ideally you want more shells and spread shot.

[strange kite]

cuz like at that point ur using what is a relatively weak special and adding a suboptimal amount of damage on top of it OR if ur not using the special at all u might as well go thana/mel

[civic ocean]

If you omega cast it I'm pretty sure you get like way way more Zeus bolts

Like the cast having way longer duration is very relevant to Zeus

[blissful wren]

I would rather detonate it than wait for the cast to expire

[turbid hull]

niuebigubi there is NO WAY They called it Chipmunk 😭 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243287095909548052/image.png?ex=6650ecd6&is=664f9b56&hm=76d4ec8bf3278aa15808ab4cb140c18f02aea2e3c8d07879fbe914e8b8c69a04&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=748&height=431

[strange kite]

woah how do u get the game code?

[civic ocean]

Everyone has it

[turbid hull]

it's lua, notepad++ can open it

[strange kite]

wait it’s just… there?

[blissful wren]

yep

[turbid hull]

yeah. Program Files/Steam/steamapps/common/Hades II/Content/Scripts

[strange kite]

well damn okay i know what im doing tonight

[blissful wren]

its all there in the files, with comments too

[turbid hull]

I can even find what the two inaccessible Chaos Boons do, although I won't say what they do because I don't want to cause any harm to anyone (e.g. the devs)

[strange kite]

why would it be harmful?

[turbid hull]

Posting publicly internal data that isn't available yet is kinda mean

[wet nova]

The extended duration does not help if anything it is actually a dps loss the moment the boss moves out of it

[turbid hull]

The devs have their reasons to have them deactivated for the time being

[civic ocean]

Yeah I just tested it, it's another 12 bolts

[strange kite]

so charon zeus with a manual omega cast doubles up on bolts?

[civic ocean]

Then when they're about to move out of it you blow it up and replant it, except in the case of manual omega casts which are huge

[turbid hull]

oml finally another normal god. Lfg Demeter

[wet nova]

Well Yh it “works” but then you can legit make that argument for any single aspect in the game for cast build cos technically Charon does not increase dps for it

That extra 400 damage for blowing it up is conditional on if you time it before the boss moves out of it aswell

[strange kite]

that is… a very good point cuz kronos doesnt like sitting still

[civic ocean]

I don't really understand what you're saying - that cast boons are worse on the aspect that makes Casts 30% bigger and last for 3 extra seconds?

[wet nova]

Also you’re effectively using double the mana by omega casting then omega special

[wet nova]

It does not make cast 30% bigger at all, it only makes the explosion bigger + Apollo and Poseidon radius bigger

[blissful wren]

Theyre saying they dont get the benefit of being detonted

[analog ether]

If you're looking for the most optimal damage with Charon, then yeah, obviously Apollo is best.

[strange kite]

east the point is that cast boons that dont synergize with charon is suboptimal and it’s a waste of an aspect

[tired fulcrum]

Charon omega special cant detonate manual omegas iirc

[wet nova]

It’s not even about most optimal Charon isn’t well designed for the other casts

[wet nova]

That too I forgot this

So it means Charon is literally useless with other casts but Apollo and Poseidon mb😂

[civic ocean]

It's something like 360 extra damage on the zeus omega

common boon

[wet nova]

Dps or damage?

[strange kite]

it’s like if i took aspect of thana and decided that ur just gonna auto attack and not using any omega

[civic ocean]

damage

[strange kite]

can it work? maybe. is it a complete waste of an aspect? yes just use melinoe lul

[civic ocean]

Rarified it's like 600 damage for 15 mana

[wet nova]

Cos damage means nothing since Zeus is a single targeting thing, meaning it will only ever target mobs one at a time, it only shines against bosses which can move out of casts with ease

[blissful wren]

I agree with the cast being useless with charon, but the cast not benifiting from Charon does not make the aspect useless

[wet nova]

Aspect of Thanatos is probably way more dps

[civic ocean]

what the

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh you can omega zeus then have more time to spin since you only need to recast every 6 seconds instead of 3, but than is still prob better for zeus cuz funny crits

[blissful wren]

u can still use charon with no gods cast

[wet nova]

The aspect isn’t useless, since you can’t detonate an omega cast with omega special it means that you can’t reposition like someone said

[strange kite]

thana apparently stacks crit with casts

[wet nova]

Yes Thanatos is the BiS for Zeus cast build

[strange kite]

so u can play zeus cast thana or something

[civic ocean]

Am I reading right that we think Zeus cast is bad at aoe

[blissful wren]

Yea its really good with zues cast cuz it charges fast and safely

[strange kite]

zeus cast isnt bad bad at aoe but yes it’s bad at aoe lmao

because it doesnt do aoe it does single target multiple times spread across mobs

[wet nova]

It’s a single target cast compared to every other cast which is AOE so relatively speaking it has the least AOE

[blissful wren]

You can use specials and spins to compensate

[wet nova]

like compared to all other damaging cast gods it has the least AOE

[strange kite]

now that said is it better than hestia cast just relying on scorch? probably lul

or is it better than aphro cast for damage? almost certainly

[civic ocean]

what does it do when the single target bolts kill one enemy

[wet nova]

Does it explode? Idk

[strange kite]

unless u have some weird weak setup and other aoe shenanigans going on

[grim salmon]

LMAO Aspect of Artemis can parry Chronos' instant KO.

[civic ocean]

The bolts switch to the other targets!

[wet nova]

Yes and my point is exactly that sure increased duration increases total damage, but what happens when all the monsters inside the cast are dead?

[strange kite]

and now ur gonna say that hammerless non poseidon special momus is good at aoe

or that pan special without poseidon or bounce is an aoe weapon

[wet nova]

You just wait that +3s, which wastes time

[strange kite]

which u know. is incorrect.

[civic ocean]

You stand in the cast so that other monsters (like 80% of the monsters in this game move towards you) go into the cast and take damage

[wet nova]

Especially for monsters that are stationary like the Oceanus ones

[sour cape]

Zeus lance is good aoe burst, its immediate

[wet nova]

The increased duration only has negatives because there’s no cool-down to cast once a cast runs out😂

[civic ocean]

what the

[blissful wren]

zues cast is the worst for charon but the rest are acceptable

[strange kite]

the point isnt that zeus special isnt good at clearing crowds which i mean it’s still fine as long as it does enough damage in total but like calling it aoe misses the point entirely

[civic ocean]

360 more damage unupgraded has only negatives

[sour cape]

His Omega cast buff is good but for single target mainly

[strange kite]

it’s just high single target damage

[wet nova]

360 damage is not dps that doesn’t mean anything

[sour cape]

That costs more mana

[strange kite]

high enough single target damage also clears crowds

[blissful wren]

the dps is still the same, but you can no longer reposition it is the problem

[wet nova]

Hephaestus is 400 more damage if you use special every 20s

[civic ocean]

it's damage per mana spent at the very least

[blissful wren]

yes but for cast builds u ussually have enough mana anyway due to its own cooldown

[civic ocean]

yes, Volcanics are pretty good if you know what ur doing yes

[wet nova]

Omega Casts let you regen mana while they’re active so mana shouldn’t be a problem in the first place

[sour cape]

Does Charon cast also expand more for Apollo?

[blissful wren]

you wouldnt taje aspect of charon

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh casts are kinda cheap

[strange kite]

take momus doubleshot without poseidon but like aphro special. does it do enough damage to clear crowds? yes. is it aoe at all? no.

[wet nova]

Literally even Zeus Mana Regen would work with an omega cast build 💀

[tired fulcrum]

No, it just expands slower

[wet nova]

You gain that 15 mana regen back by the time the cast is over lol

[strange kite]

aoe implies scaling damage with enemies hit. zeus bolts dont

[sour cape]

Thats dumb

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243290907646889984/guys-i-have-bad-news-meme-1.png?ex=6650f063&is=664f9ee3&hm=4c0cb7d4611a73c55381d6f9c66ed95a86bb645052c1e37558b846aede1580a0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=591

[strange kite]

are u serious?

[tired fulcrum]

Yes

[blissful wren]

apollos size boon has a set % increase

[strange kite]

ur kidding me right? that’s somekind of sick joke

[blissful wren]

I wish it would expand at the same speed and stop halfway tho

[sour cape]

Makes sense but sure feels bad

[civic ocean]

Well I guess I know what guide to add to the list next lmao

[tired fulcrum]

It doesnt even expand to full size in the first 3 seconds its just slower

[wet nova]

Yh Apollo doesn’t go from 0-100 in 3s but over entire duration 😂

[sour cape]

Well not ideal for Omega cast either then

Might as well use Pan for Omega cast build hmmm

good value from ranged cast and can use Zeus cast

[strange kite]

look. it’s not hard to understand how scaling works

[turbid hull]

@wet nova common Silver Wheel gives at best a total 1,000 Magick, rare gives 1,500, epic gives 2,000 and... heroic gives 3,000

[wet nova]

The point isn’t that Charon can’t work with Zeus it just makes no sense to do so when firstly there’s better aspects out there like Thanatos, secondly Charon only buffs duration for omega casts that are placed using 15 mana DOES NOT buff size and damage% and finally boss move = lose dps

[turbid hull]

[sour cape]

Oooh does Thanatos inc crit chance for cast?

[wet nova]

Oh damn another one huh

[wet nova]

Yup Zeus cast on Thanatos aspect is cracked

[civic ocean]

Oh okay so it only doubles Storm Ring's damage got it

[turbid hull]

Also seems like Aromatic Phial doesn't have a level 4.

[wet nova]

You can get 20% so easily with it and you rarely lose the stacks

[strange kite]

charon does potentially buff dps in edge cases like cerb cuz u have higher cast uptime but on kronos? cast duration is a downside not an upside

[sour cape]

Yea seems.much safer than spin 2win for keeping stacks

[wet nova]

My point is dps does not get affected because casts also have no cool-down between placements

[tired fulcrum]

Thats actually how hera's cast works with super nova it reaches max size in 3 seconds

[strange kite]

well it has channel time

[wet nova]

You can’t place a cast as soon as it ends that’s a skill issue😭

[sour cape]

Does have channel time yea

so you do get more uptime with Charon

[strange kite]

on cerb

[wet nova]

I guess I was thinking in terms of relative time not the timer on the clock since you slow down with the sorceress arcana

[strange kite]

less on kronos

kronos doesnt even get slowed lul

[sour cape]

Chronos gets slowed by cast

[wet nova]

Every boss but chronos doesn’t mind the increased duration but every boss but chronos is easy rn😭

[sour cape]

well his dash do anyway 🤔

[wet nova]

I think bosses dashes only get slowed

[sour cape]

Also kinda bad for Eris if she jumps out

and need to reposition 😭

[strange kite]

omg last phase eris seems toxic

[wet nova]

Like Cerberus for example when he does multiple dash attack he gets omega slowed

But chronos floats through the cast unphased

So it has to be specifically for dash movements on bosses

[strange kite]

kronos just says 50% of the stuff u do is invalid

[sour cape]

Yea and Chronos dash attacks are really short in cast

[turbid hull]

By the way, Apollon Attack Boon does x1.2 on the range of Axe, Torches and Skull, and x1.4 on Dagger and Staff

[split igloo]

Anyone got a fun build to try? I'm getting bored of pan Poseidon and Charon cast

[sour cape]

Momus Poseidon

[wet nova]

Aspect of Medea

[civic ocean]

The like number 1 problem with charon builds is that you take way too much damage getting off the combo if you don't get sudden cleaver

Just going storm ring start into Local Climate + Torrential Downpour literally gives you two modes - Storm Ring Omega manual to clear mobs and regular Charon bomb for bosses

[strange kite]

LMAO theyre bored of pan poseidon and u suggest the boringest build

[wet nova]

You’ll love and hate it, it’s no protection Beowulf

[split igloo]

What's the build?

[tired fulcrum]

Aphro attack, zeus special, huntress arcana, then you just run into things

[wet nova]

There’s a lot of variety but if you played Beowulf in h1 it’s similar buildup

[sour cape]

Hey no mana use unlike Pan

thats a change

[wet nova]

No mana use usually makes builds even more boring😭

Magick is what makes this game feel fresh compared to h1

[sour cape]

Free Huntress

[wet nova]

If you take away the magick then you just play one button simulator 😭

[civic ocean]

idk how much advice i'd take about whether or not a build is boring from "every weapon needs a 1 boon build"

[blissful wren]

yea, in the wrong direction

[civic ocean]

the creator of WABS\

Weapon
Agnostic
Boon
Stacking

[sour cape]

Doesnt Charon boost cast dmg?

[civic ocean]

only when u break it

[sour cape]

So like thats a reason to go Zeus cast build anyways

[split igloo]

Makes it behave like an omega cast on break

[indigo orchid]

Hey all, I'm sure it's an aspect of GG but any advice on using omega builds v father time? I get blasted halfway back to crossroads virtually every time I channel.

[strange kite]

i dunno how much advice id take from “single target is aoe and u can use any cast with charon effectively”

[sour cape]

Oh nvm 💀💀

[tired fulcrum]

It only increases the damage of the omega explosion itself, unless you happen to be poseidon cast, then it does nothing

[strange kite]

at least i understand how scaling works

[civic ocean]

Does it increase the damage of omega cast manuals?

[sour cape]

Zeus omega would be nice, except same slot as Apollo

[tired fulcrum]

Idk, prob not

[split igloo]

As far as I know if you're supposed to be taking Apollo 10000% of the time

[sour cape]

Yea Apollos just better synergy

[split igloo]

Can confirm does not

[sour cape]

Zeus cast I guess is best for Than?

[civic ocean]

It's 240 vs 195 unupgraded

[civic ocean]

Zeus cast is gonna be good for mobs, Apollo is gonna be better for bosses

[sour cape]

How good is 32 Fear using only Zeus Cast?

[split igloo]

Lots of dadeulus hammers will speed cast time, it's still doable without it but it is challenging when your channel cast is longer

[strange kite]

than is best for zeus cast.

[graceful nest]

Atm trying Charon for the first time, what gods/boons do I aim for?

[wet nova]

Naa it doesn’t you can test on skelly

[graceful nest]

Since that's the current topic of discussion haha

[strange kite]

but zeus cast may not be necessarily best for than depending on what ur aiming for

[sour cape]

Really? Would think other way since Zeus is really high single target

[civic ocean]

https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/Resources/Aspect of Charon - The Ion Cannon good build to start with

[split igloo]

Apollo on cast. Hera Regen, then just try and stack damage

[wet nova]

The most broken is Apollo cast - Apollo-Zeus duo for cast, Apollo-Demeter duo for cast

[blissful wren]

apollo cast would probably do more damage which charon but it doesnt stack the crit

[sour cape]

while Apollo hits everyone 😭

[civic ocean]

Against bosses you have time to back up and charge charon special

Against mobs you have less time

[sour cape]

Problem with that is your mana boons all stink 😭

[graceful nest]

Well lucky me I'm in Ephyra rn and there's a door for Apollo

[wet nova]

If you dash after charging special you have effectively perma protection

[sour cape]

Hmmm fair

[strange kite]

against mobs the cast literally ensares the mobs

[zenith bolt]

always gamble on chaos

[split igloo]

There's also a boon (can't remember the god) that increases the size of the cast radius which makes the Apollo nuke larger

[indigo orchid]

Thank you!

[wet nova]

The only issue with dashing after special is controlling direction special goes is kinda funky

[sour cape]

Chaos save me 🙏🙏

[forest veldt]

w/ glorious disaster apollo similar dps to zeus including cast time and dmg. its 1/2 zeus dps wo/ and x2 disregarding cast delay

[civic ocean]

And sometimes you dash into bad stuff

[zenith bolt]

<--- terminal chaos addiction (i take chaos every time they appear)

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1243104317834133625/Hades_II_2024-05-23_00-28-45_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6650eb5d&is=664f99dd&hm=7ca5fc4284decfb2b9dbed6d03afac7d71d584c8197b96e2f4bc8b5d454074d3& just dash tech better

[strange kite]

i tried and it seems like u always special in the direction of the dash

[zenith bolt]

i have nearly thrown runs taking bad chaos curses but i cant stop myself

[wet nova]

I hope they add a chaos trial with permanent chaos

[sour cape]

No you can dash tech for sure

[strange kite]

is there a way to change rhe special direction?

[wet nova]

You just go every room one after another with chaos to take so you have like 11 blessings and 4 curses by the time you fight

[sour cape]

Click in direction you want

[tired fulcrum]

Tap attack, yes attack

[strange kite]

wtf tap attack

[sour cape]

Left click in direction you want after dashing

[zenith bolt]

would be cooler if it was like

[strange kite]

literally WHY

[zenith bolt]

every boon is replaced with a chaos boon

[sour cape]

Its really dumb and should just be default 👀

[split igloo]

Also has anyone tried to pause the game during chronos yet. I was giggling a lot

[zenith bolt]

its even funnier when you do it succesfully

"I will abide what is most assuredly a necessary bathroom break."

[sour cape]

I need that mana regen boon 🙏🙏

[wet nova]

It’s funny but many people are complaining about it so enjoy it while you can idk if it’ll get removed cos of that😭

[civic ocean]

Oh it's getting removed for sure

[zenith bolt]

i hope they just nerf the requirements for it

[strange kite]

here’s the thing

[zenith bolt]

3 zodiac sand is really messed up for it

[wet nova]

Just use god mode if you gotta go while you can’t pause legit

[sour cape]

It shouldnt take 3 Chronos kills to get it, thats dumb

[tired fulcrum]

Either the pause incantation should be on by default or the requirements should be super easy

[split igloo]

I fully threw a run yesterday by taking a chaos curse that primed my mana to 1 while running the Charon axe 🫠

[blissful wren]

should keep it for lore, but shouldnt actually be run ending for people

[wet nova]

No shame on using god mode if you need a break lol people forget it exists

[sour cape]

God mode doesnt make you invulnerable

[civic ocean]

how u gonna turn on god mode when ur ass can't pause the game

[strange kite]

the joke will literally never land for a bunch of people because if ur pausing cuz “the kid set the house on fire” ur not gonna wait around to hear the kronos joke

[zenith bolt]

yeah im not sure you realize how god mode works

[sour cape]

Yea...

[spare kite]

And how are you activating god mode mid fight (also god mode is just dmg resistance)

[sour cape]

God mode is at max 80% dmg reduction and that requires dying a ton

[wet nova]

I’ve never used it I forgot mb 😭

[split igloo]

God mode increases damage reduction and damage dealt per death starting at 20 percent iirc

[wet nova]

I played hell mode on h1 so I couldn’t use it anywyas

[strange kite]

the thing is it’s poorly thought out

[split igloo]

But also yeah you can't pause the game lmao

[wet nova]

So never knew what it actually does just thought it sounded cool

[sour cape]

Yea cant turn it on in the fiest place

[strange kite]

if u need to go afk ur not around to enjoy the kronos unpause u just leave and then come back and wonder why u died

[wet nova]

Yh forgot you can only turn it on by going to settings

[spare kite]

The funniest part of god mode is the boon that it gives you being called deus ex machina

[zenith bolt]

i think it's funny exactly once and then the joke kinda overstays its welcome a bit

[split igloo]

Also I'd like to speak to the supergiant employee that claimed that dead wood drop rates have been increased

[zenith bolt]

needing to beat chronos 3 times for it is just. what

[strange kite]

it will literally never land for the people who are most likely to actually pause

[tired fulcrum]

Maybe just make him unpause you once then you can just pause

[spare kite]

Also the incantation doesn't unlock asap so you probably are gonna use the first sand on judgement

[strange kite]

becasue for the people who usually stick around for the joke we’re less likely to pause

[sour cape]

It should really be cheaper incantation unlocking first time you try to pause

[strange kite]

it still wont land for all the reason i just explained. the design is bad

[zenith bolt]

yeah the incantation should just unlock if you've fought chronos ever

requiring you to attempt to pause multiple times for it is ??

[strange kite]

hey. people. take a second to think about it

how will the joke land? who is pausing?

[zenith bolt]

bc player is gonna go "oh, i can't pause on chronos" and then never try it again

[sour cape]

Yea...

[spare kite]

Being an incantation is a nono in the first place
That would still be a thrown run cuz why would they try again

[strange kite]

pajama did u pause in ur first kronos fight naturally?

who is more likely to pause?

[split igloo]

I did it for the first time just now because I was checking my phone

[sour cape]

I never paused in Chronos till I heard about it tbf

[zenith bolt]

no, and im not disagreeing with you

[strange kite]

the entire thing. should be scrapped

[spare kite]

I got it spoiled in my case and forgot anyways

[sour cape]

I think its cool interaction

[jovial cove]

the first time it unpaused I didn't hear chronos and thought my controller was malfunctioning

[strange kite]

because it was a bad idea.

[sour cape]

adds charm but its too hard to disable

[strange kite]

exactly. this is the most likely experience

[split igloo]

It's a really cool interaction. They should leave it in and make it a one time thing or something

[zenith bolt]

@split igloo

[turbid hull]

Did anyone get a Heroic Rare Crop Boon from Demeter?

[sour cape]

yea or have him give up eventually

[blissful wren]

i think the joke should still happen once but only once and should be more clear whays happening

[strange kite]

here’s how u fix it. they could leave it in and if u dont touch anything kronos also afks

[split igloo]

Yeah or this. Having an incantation for it is nonsense

[strange kite]

unpause the game but kronos doesnt do anything and freezes all the mobs

[zenith bolt]

3 zodiac sand is a kick in the head for it

[strange kite]

because as it is the joke is badly implemented

[spare kite]

Make it so he can't unpause and just use some of the post incantation lines could work

[split igloo]

I would pay good money for it To unpause and chronos and the mobs are playing a game of mahjong until you attack someone

[zenith bolt]

theres a clash of "the incantation reagents and game mechanics make sense in-lore" and "this is going to make people mad and can cause new players to lose runs"

[spare kite]

Make him annoyed that there's one thing that can overpower him

[woeful gust]

I needed to get up to do something during the chronos fight. Lost the fight because of this gimmick. Not a fan of it. Tonally I think it's a jarring breaking of the 4th wall

[zenith bolt]

im not super fond of games doing stuff like this on a meta-level in the first place

[split igloo]

I think you're deeping it a little too much. People get mad over everything and new players are a thousand times more likely to drop a run due to user error than a silly gag in the final encounter

[civic ocean]

aight we the feedback channel now eh

[zenith bolt]

idk

[civic ocean]

Selene bad

[zenith bolt]

selene indeed bad

[spare kite]

Room 1 selene

[tall notch]

Did you get Darren Korbed again?

[zenith bolt]

55 fear selene start is die%

[civic ocean]

No but maybe I will tonight when I go for 32 Charon Storm Ring start

[wet nova]

Just change chronos pause to cost 1 of each previous boss material and then the requirements are reasonable

[civic ocean]

If I win it goes up on Vercel as "The Darkdray"

[wet nova]

I never said it isn’t possible just said it’s inefficient but id like to see the run to see how many times chronos leaves the circle😂

Have a counter on top right for it😂

[civic ocean]

Should have one for every time Hecate trip divides and I waste 10 seconds

[wet nova]

Hecate is probably even worse since you won’t have the damage to just phase her aswell

[zenith bolt]

triple divide flames is tilting

[wet nova]

The range is so deceiving

I’m always like “I’m safe here right” then get burned

[spare kite]

Real

[zenith bolt]

i just bail atp for that attack

im not playing with the stupid fire hitboxes

[tall notch]

Take a shot every time she triple divides out of your cast. Charon's drinking game

[zenith bolt]

take a shot every time chronos teleports out of (and deletes) your cast

[spare kite]

I don't even bother casting early while she drops the invincibility anymore

[wet nova]

Wish there was a visual rather than just audio cue to find where she is, I don’t play with my headphones in so never know where she ends up

[civic ocean]

How much hp does hecate have because I think one Charon Storm Ring phases her if she sits in it

[zenith bolt]

at least 2 (idk my wager is ~5k?)

[wet nova]

Should be in game files accessible to us

[bleak night]

What are the current materials for it ?

[wet nova]

3 z sand

[civic ocean]

3 zsand lmao

[spare kite]

The real Hec attacks first from experience (or for an specific attack, she first then the clones)

[bleak night]

Man, I remember when I was starving for that resource

[spare kite]

Is harder to notice once you use vow of fury tho

[zenith bolt]

the real is the one you check last

[wet nova]

5800

[zenith bolt]

hey im not too far off

[wet nova]

Is what the file says

[civic ocean]

I have like a 95% success rate just going for the pne physically furthest away from me

[zenith bolt]

its a guesstimation based on the hp of cerb and chronos (who are 20k and 36k respectively i believe)

[wet nova]

Meanwhile Cerberus is 20500😂

[spare kite]

That's more than 1 phase of dad I think lmao

[tall notch]

Zeus' boon for lightning below 10 mana is the new Hecate tech. It'll only strike the real one

[civic ocean]

So I think a like rare one pom Storm Ring from Charon is like...over 1k total damage for sure

It's a lot

[sour cape]

if they stand in it the entire time

[wet nova]

Drummer is 5950, guitarist is 4200, Scylla 6550

[zenith bolt]

thats more than i would have guessed

[tired fulcrum]

How much hp did dad have again

[zenith bolt]

3

[wet nova]

Chronos is 20k first phase 16k second

[spare kite]

17k iirc?

[wet nova]

I really like how we can just see all this so easily 😂

[civic ocean]

With furies it's like 50x1.3x5 +195?

[tall notch]

One Rama shot with the triple shot hammer

[zenith bolt]

ok so i was right from just counting damage numbers

[tired fulcrum]

Each phase or through both?

[spare kite]

Each phase

[zenith bolt]

so base dad and base chronos have similar hp amounts

[tired fulcrum]

Em4 chronos next

[zenith bolt]

time slow + instakill guaranteed every fight

[spare kite]

Em4 chronos is gonna be disgusting I just know it

[wet nova]

Oh interesting chronos has to do 24 attacks between the wipe attack for phase 2 minimum

[zenith bolt]

well what constitutes an attack

[bleak night]

Would be funny if EM4 Chronos is just a copy paste of Phase 2, but he can pause your game at will to screw with your timing and flow

[turbid hull]

sorry, noob here, what does EM4 mean?

[zenith bolt]

is arena stuff (like enclosing rings) included? or is it specifically attacks that involve chronos doing a thing

[spare kite]

I already do this on my own

[turbid hull]

is it the special heat thing that was adding stuff to the bosses in Hades 1?

[spare kite]

Yeah, em4 is super dad

[turbid hull]

gotcha

[bleak night]

Extreme Measures, the heat thing that makes bosses fight differently (also Hades phase 3)

[zenith bolt]

in hades 1 the pact of punishment had a thing called Extreme Measures that made each boss harder

[civic ocean]

In Hades one there was a "Vow" called Extreme Measures, which changed the Guardian fights.

It went up to 4, each number corresponding to each guardian

[zenith bolt]

furies would team up, lernie had a more brutal arena, theseus got a gun, dad pulled out the belt

[bleak night]

Asterius got armour and was able to beyblade

[civic ocean]

Extreme Measures 4 Hades was largely considered not worth 4 Heat, which should tell you something about how hard it made the fight

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243300791477997638/image.png?ex=6650f998&is=664fa818&hm=82bd1d0d4dee8c4e55e9b46fb854a68a3abb49cd1b858c4ce5e27527b27d3a71&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=331 having a list of which Keepsake have and have not another level would be cool

[zenith bolt]

every keepsake except god keepsakes, narcissus, and echo

[turbid hull]

I know at least the fountain keepsake doesn't

[wet nova]

Seeing the chronos.lua is actually pretty interesting he can only use certain attacks if you sustain a minimum distance, or if you maintain within a max distance etc

[civic ocean]

Can you tell me how this affects metallic droplet?

[zenith bolt]

here's a reference https://i.imgur.com/nSuDna2.png

[tall notch]

And in pure Chronos fashion he gets to use the instakill move while your game is paused

[bleak night]

Tribute 1 dd to play lmao

[civic ocean]

Is the Sirens EM2 fight more band members

[turbid hull]

Oh, they're accessible, nice to know

[zenith bolt]

goes up to 350 sec iirc

[civic ocean]

Thats so good

[tall notch]

Charybdis shows up

[bleak night]

The audience shows up and starts throwing projectiles from the stands the entire time

[turbid hull]

200 * 1.75 yeah

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1243301358162149426/image.png?ex=6650fa1f&is=664fa89f&hm=5538444d36043cc4c9b1a5b14036ead04470f89672384eb4a2df0f526d8bc6dc& the cancerous spear throw I wonder what it has

[civic ocean]

Cerberus is unchanged except the arena is 70% smaller

[zenith bolt]

scythe throw isnt that bad and im tired of pretending it is

[zenith bolt]

slam rush in phase 2 just kills you 👍

[turbid hull]

the only keepsake that doesn't follow linearly the other ranks at max level is Silver Wheel

[sour cape]

Hex having use now?

[zenith bolt]

isnt silver wheel just 1000 1500 2000 2500

[split igloo]

So so so obnoxiously hard man I'm getting flashbacks

[wet nova]

it isnt hard to dodge, but it always catches me off guard because im used to dodging backwards not into things

[turbid hull]

last level is 3000

[sour cape]

Just Dark Side😎

[zenith bolt]

dark side users when asked to do any amount of damage

[bleak night]

Interesting

[turbid hull]

I only have found 2 examples of stuff not following linearity at max level, and this is one of them

[civic ocean]

If it was any other duo right but Hera specifically is one of the duos and has Born Gain

[sour cape]

Hey its free dodge

[turbid hull]

other is rank VI of Aspect of Persephone on Skull doing +40% Omega Damage instead of expected 35

[zenith bolt]

total eclipse has invuln without robbing you of your damage

[bleak night]

That's true, Born Gain just makes it kinda irrelevant

[sour cape]

But need more invessment 😭

[zenith bolt]

meh its not usually that bad relatively speaking

and total eclipse at base is still giving you a decent chunk of damage

[turbid hull]

wondering if there's an arcana that doesn't follow linearity as well

[zenith bolt]

why tf am i here defending a hex, god 😭

[tall notch]

Darren is this you??

[turbid hull]

is total eclipse the one summoning a giant meteor after 4 sec

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[turbid hull]

it's good but it's an hex

[zenith bolt]

legalize nuclear bombs

[sour cape]

Has a really good upgrade to make you invulnerable while waiting

[civic ocean]

I think yesterday I talked about it and was like

If you already have CG and all the boons you want from these two, why not make your last keepsake a little better sure

You don't build around it but I think Hera + Demeter in particular SHOULD have the worst duo in the game

[bleak night]

HUH

[turbid hull]

unusable against eris

[spare kite]

Yeah meteor hex is funny just for that upgrade

[sour cape]

Yea one of path of stars upgrades and early too

[turbid hull]

I am so not eager to datamine path of stars

[spare kite]

Is one of the blue ones too for whatever reason (same as wolf howl's crit)

[zenith bolt]

yeah https://i.imgur.com/WVs2DBd.png

[civic ocean]

We're getting Korbpilled

[bleak night]

Hera and Dem are just good gods to have, they give you so much tools. Having a duo like that for a little boost does sound reasonable as a result

[spare kite]

Most of the blue nodes are really good actually now that I think of lmao
Even on moon water

[bleak night]

Invuln for 4 secs and the Hex mana req for it is... 120 or something ?

[sour cape]

200

[zenith bolt]

something like that

[spare kite]

120 is lunar ray

[civic ocean]

If you have Origination they literally do everything, damage, control, gain, defense, even max hp scaling

[sour cape]

its a lot 💀

[zenith bolt]

i know total eclipse invuln lets you tank chronos instakill

[sour cape]

Yea and lets you get 4s of full dps

[spare kite]

Meteor -mana stuff is 10 per node iirc at least

[turbid hull]

is it an actual instakill?

[zenith bolt]

999 damage, so you'll lose a dd

[civic ocean]

No

[bleak night]

Oh 200, alright makes sense then. Realistically maybe 160 mana cost if you get a lot of those % less mana required to use Hex nodes all Path or Stars seem to have ?

[turbid hull]

or does it just do gigantic damage

[spare kite]

999 dmg

[sour cape]

just gigantic dmg

[turbid hull]

yeah so if you happened somehow to have 1000 or more you would survive

[zenith bolt]

unless you have coarse grit or invuln you lose a dd

[spare kite]

Coarse grit can block it too lmao

[civic ocean]

It does not deal more than 15 to coarse grit, for instance.

[sour cape]

Yea if can get Hermes and -10 nodes, is good value

[turbid hull]

Coarse Grit broken fr

[civic ocean]

It can also be dodgex

[spare kite]

Can also be dodged by dodge chance or iframed

[civic ocean]

I believe it can miss if chronos is dazed too

[sour cape]

it can be ifeames with dash

[zenith bolt]

i think you can raw iframe it but only partially (ex. iframing to enter the safe spot)

[rain hazel]

OK just realized I can dash while maintaining torch attacks. Its sooooo much better now

[zenith bolt]

you can also cast during torch attack without breaking your channel

[sour cape]

Also can be parried

But not blocked

[turbid hull]

Unsure if it's known but Natural Selection (Poseidon x Demeter duo boon) also sets Epic and Legendary to 10% odds

[bleak night]

In general, yeah. I find it funny how defensive options are also able to just make you a strong offensive statcheck due to boon compatibility in Born Gain + Weed Killer + that Hera one I forgot the name of that boosts your Omega's damage when used from full mana

[zenith bolt]

unfortunately natural selection is kinda tragic

[turbid hull]

Yeah, the downside is pretty heavy

[graceful nest]

Can someone explain why Poseidon is so good on Momus? I like the staff but nothing seems like it particularly stands out

[sour cape]

Poseidon adds aoe and flat dmg

which is great for single target fast attaxkign special of Staff

[graceful nest]

What I mean is that anything I go, it feels strong ahahahah

[bleak night]

Your machine gun specials on Momus have quadruple the damage compared to Mel and Circe staff at max level

[spare kite]

Oh yeah.
Does yarn still boost odds of legendaries/duos? (And chaos favor boon)

[sour cape]

Momus is just cos it adds a ton of power to special

[civic ocean]

It's not particularly good on Momus, it's good on all staff aspects specials because it's a quick spammable move, and Poseidon deals flat damage, which scales up with attack speed

[graceful nest]

So the game strat is just to spam special?

[sour cape]

Yes

[civic ocean]

Momus is just very clearly the best staff aspect at spamming special

[turbid hull]

What's Yarn? 😭

[spare kite]

Yarn of ariadne, charon well

[graceful nest]

I am back to my day 1 strats it seems xD

[sudden scaffold]

no, you also need to dodge

[bleak night]

Rarity rate up for next boon you find

[turbid hull]

Oh, sorry I'm not familiar with the english names

[sour cape]

Spam special get the doubling hammer and you in business 👀👀

[tall notch]

Dodging is optional when you deal enough damage

[turbid hull]

I will look into it once I'm done with the demeter tab!

[sour cape]

Doing soooo much dmg

or if you get Doubling + Bounce Hammer whew

[rain hazel]

Not sure if im able to hit cast while holding the attack button on controller lol

[sour cape]

Mel becomes mad with power

[civic ocean]

Fwiw there are like 20+ ways to win at 32 fear with all the different aspects and god combos combined, and we all get a better game overall if you pick what you find fun, push it as hard as you can, and then give feedback on it

[sour cape]

But if you want your statue

[turbid hull]

Epic 25%, Legendary 10%. Don't see anything on Duos

(and obviously forced Rare)

[spare kite]

Yarn goated as always

[ionic moon]

yeah it's early access, don't follow build guides and just experiment!

[turbid hull]

as for the Favor blessing of Chaos, it does set Epic and Legendary to 10% as well

I don't know if that rate is multiplied by the Rarity multiplier, though

[spare kite]

Prob not, at least thinking of H1

[lunar lance]

Hm. Apollo and Hestia make a pretty good mix to include in builds that wanna cast a lot, it seems.

[turbid hull]

        {
            Common =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.0,
            },
            Rare =
            {
                Multiplier = 1.34,
            },
            Epic = 
            {
                Multiplier = 1.67,
            },
            Heroic = 
            {
                Multiplier = 2.0,
            }
        },

        RarityBonus =
        {
            Rare =
            {
                BaseMin = 0.40,
                BaseMax = 0.50,
            },
            Epic = 0.1,
            Legendary = 0.1,
            ReportValues = { ReportedRarity = "Rare"}
        }```

Rare would probably be the only thing affected by the Rarity multipliers yeah

[spare kite]

So favor is half a divinity and a free queen, nice

[turbid hull]

I'm gonna stop for today

[civic ocean]

Zeus+Hestia is probably going to be a reasonably consistent winning strategy on basically anything that buffs your cast in any way - Charon, Than, Mel Staff, Circe, Persephone, etc

[turbid hull]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16jTOWHeBRMTRoui75dLP0oU0tGQC-b0QO3KEWGp3YZI/edit?usp=sharing has Aphrodite, Apollo, Demeter, Artemis, Chaos, Arachne, Circe and Aspects tab for now

[lunar lance]

Thanatos boosts cast? Oh, the crit buff can fire on Apollo's omega?

[civic ocean]

Zeus - the storm ring bolts tick the crit, and can also crit

[slim atlas]

I just found the easiest build ever

like I could autopilot hades

pressing one button to win

[civic ocean]

Why do I feel like im about to watch a mrbeast video

[slim atlas]

couldn't film it unfortunately

[sour cape]

Why Hestia?

[slim atlas]

I'll create a sheet for the boons tho

[civic ocean]

Zeus makes scorch incredibly good at dealing with lategame bosses

[sour cape]

Hmmm how?

[civic ocean]

Air Quality and Thermal Dynamics

[sour cape]

Scorch sounds terrible 😭😭

Oh?

[turbid hull]

easy, put HeroData.lua[BoonData][RarityChances][Epic] at 0.99

99% Epic boon rate

[civic ocean]

Wait @turbid hull would you be able to look in the game files and tell us just exactly how scorch deals its damage?

[turbid hull]

what's Scorch

[civic ocean]

Hestia fire dmg thing

[sour cape]

Wouldnt Demeter Cyclone be better for Air Quality?

[turbid hull]

oooh, isn't it an accumulation of damage that "execute" overtime?

[sour cape]

Scorch seems pretty terrible since fixed dps

[civic ocean]

Oui

[civic ocean]

Scorch deals that fixed dps in small ticks

[sour cape]

Hmmm how small

could be 1 tick per s for 30

and before you get air quality its literally useless

[civic ocean]

We know that it deals 40 damage a second, but how much damage does each "tick" of the damage deal?

What does that mean lol

So it's applying damage 6 times per tick of 40

[turbid hull]

So it looks like it's doing damage every 10 frames (assuming game is running at 60 frames per sec), or 6 times per second

[tall notch]

Wait so would this mean that changing your fps could technically change the damage of AQ scorch?

Or am I misunderstanding

[turbid hull]

Nah because it's defined per second

[civic ocean]

Can you check Hestia's legendary boon and how it changes this?

In our tests it seemed to increase the damage per tick

[sour cape]

Hmmmmm so 40/6 dmg per tick

[civic ocean]

With air quality it is 180 dos

[turbid hull]

It just multiplies damage per 2 I believe

[sour cape]

Yea thats a big boost from air quality

[civic ocean]

Got it

[turbid hull]

BurnDamageMultiplier = 2.0

[sour cape]

Oh so Hestia Legendary a waste with Air Quality

[turbid hull]

Datamining this game is so funny and easy dawg 😭

[civic ocean]

So that means that air quality makes scorch deal roughly 4.5x damage, or 180 dps roughly

[sour cape]

How fast does Demeter cyclone tick?

[turbid hull]

4 per sec

(every 0.25 sec, at least according to the description of the effect)

[civic ocean]

Yeah it would also go way up woth aq

[sour cape]

4 dmg every 0.25s?

Not as good as Scorch but you can apply it in one cast

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243309456427712582/image.png?ex=665101a9&is=664fb029&hm=f9ac74f1a727d29901cfceef9a41abce9b47c041e424c924f6c7771c95c8eb72&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=215

Heroic cast is 16 every tick if I'm not mistaken

[civic ocean]

So just scorch damage would need roughly 3.5 minutes of clock to kill chronos by itself for example

[turbid hull]

64 per second

wait no I'm stupid it's not cast

[sour cape]

Yea its the cyclone

[turbid hull]

oh yeah it's the cyclone created by cast

[sour cape]

Does Hestia also give air?

[civic ocean]

No, only fire

[sour cape]

💀

I guess Zeus for Lance, Omega Cast

and Air Quality, guess you take Blitz too for air

[turbid hull]

I'll stop a bit for now. @ me if you need me to check something else

[spare kite]

How does air quality work actually
Base dmg < 30 = AQ does its thing? (And then buffs)
Or base dmg + any buff < 30 then AQ procs

[sour cape]

good question idk

[hasty crown]

Is there a good boon for fast-attacking moves? I thought it would be blitz, but that doesnt seem to do that much

[civic ocean]

Waves

[sour cape]

Poseidon

[strange kite]

damn aq scorch doesnt sound as good at only 180dps lul

[sour cape]

180 dps is a lot

[strange kite]

it’s not 1200

if only right?

[lunar lance]

That's hilarious when you consider how bad Poseidon was for quick short range attacks in the first game.

[hasty crown]

that adds base damage to every hit right?

[lament kestrel]

poseidon , aphro

[tired fulcrum]

I mean its good its just not like amazing

[turbid hull]

        { 
            BaseValue = 30,
            AsInt = true,
            IdenticalMultiplier =
            {
                Value = DuplicateWeakMultiplier,
            },
        }```

[lunar lance]

Turning the knockback into "knock everything else back, also more damage" was a real good change

[lament kestrel]

hestia should be rly good but its not great atm tbh

[turbid hull]

I would assume it's the final value that's floored at 30

[tired fulcrum]

Also just do the funeral pyre bug for 1k dps scorch

[lament kestrel]

i think scorch needs changing a bit

[strange kite]

yes

[small wyvern]

please dont post images of the files directly (and i know this was not the case, but please dont post unreleased content gleaned through the files) this is better to do in the modding or speedrunning servers pinned in #self-promotion

[strange kite]

scorch only use is to make origination live and add a bit of chip right now

[civic ocean]

It's pretty good in practice because it's 180 dps that happens no matter what you do like you can stack scorch to 500+ and then just run around dodging and you just did like a whole Hecate worth of HP

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah air quality cant crit

[lament kestrel]

yeah but it takes so long to do the dmg it's better to just have way higher DPS

[sour cape]

180 is a lot

[lament kestrel]

and her upgrade that gets rid of that problem does way less damage

[civic ocean]

It doesn't just stop doing the damage if you do the damage like it's 180 on TOP of whatever you do

[sour cape]

If you got air quality

[turbid hull]

Sorry about that! Can I send a pseudo code version of what I interpret from the files?

[sour cape]

Well it takes quite a bit of investment to even get 180

[lament kestrel]

it still is much slower than poseidon for example

[sour cape]

AQ needs 5 air 😭😭

[cloud scarab]

Tell me more... ?

[lament kestrel]

what does aq do

[strange kite]

i mean the issue is more that it’s 180 on top of what ur doing but because of the requiresments for aq scorch it might be less than ideal compared to some else broken

[lament kestrel]

whats the one that when u get to like 300 scorch it does an amount of dmg instead

[civic ocean]

Yeah but we can reduce basically every strategy in this entire game to "well Poseidon Momus is stronger" What's the point of that

[sour cape]

Makes each tick deal minimum 30 dmg

[strange kite]

ur less likely have aq scorch AND some other great stuff or it might be harder to get aq scorch if u have other gudstuff or u might miss out on hera or something

[sour cape]

Its a lotta investment 🙏

[lament kestrel]

true but poseidon ANYTHING is stronger
so taking hestia is never eve better so it needs changing

[sour cape]

Poseidon axe js pretty terrible

[strange kite]

hestia is nice for the ranged cast plus scorch origination and yeah

[tired fulcrum]

You get the hestia/hera duo and fire extinguisher on daggers with swift runner then you just channel and dash https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242277747909197935/Hades_II_2024-05-20_17-46-15.mp4?ex=66508c8f&is=664f3b0f&hm=b141ff61557f81be16cc77849364b15d908543312c55c920ed7ca4cabb889947&

[civic ocean]

In practical experience the boons you take to get you to 5 air are all insanely good - storm ring, lightning lance, greater evasion, support fire, etc.

Yeah if u just take bad boons ur build is gonna suck but I win at 32 with this for a reason not because it's a bad build lmao

[lament kestrel]

so is hestia on axe right bc it attacks slow

[sour cape]

Hestia got ranged cast

[lament kestrel]

id much rather have aphro or apollo for axe omega

[strange kite]

uh i find the air boons to be pretty bad

and 2 of those are hermes/artemis boons

[lament kestrel]

trud

[civic ocean]

Yeah do you like do runs of this game or what

You get hermes literally every run

[strange kite]

so idk i never found it easy to raw build into 6 infusions without taking some bad boons

[steel sequoia]

well that keepsake that turns a common into heroic gave me a lucky hit this time https://postimg.cc/d7GYp7zf (run ended like this https://postimg.cc/njZJJFxh)

[lament kestrel]

but then ur locked into hestia which is worse for other stuff on axe

[turbid hull]

after further checking in how damage is calculated @spare kite I think it's the final damage value that's floored at 30 yeah

[sour cape]

Just do AQ Demeter then

[spare kite]

That makes sense

[strange kite]

u dont get artemis every run

[sour cape]

Demeters really good otherwise

[civic ocean]

What's bad about hestia on the axe? Like does having an axe make soot sprint hearth gain and glowing coal bad boons?

[turbid hull]

if you need me to check something else lmk (@ me)

[sour cape]

Hestia scroch usually prett6 bad for axe

[turbid hull]

cya!

[strange kite]

it’s never that hestia is awful awful its just about what would u rather have

[civic ocean]

It can be yeah but it's a fine boss solve if you build to it

[sour cape]

Also what if dont get AQ 😭

[lament kestrel]

yeah this

[strange kite]

i take hestia quite happily if i get it in erebus and it’s the best reward

[tall notch]

There's always next run

[civic ocean]

What if you don't get the boons you want on literally any build

[strange kite]

i actually like hestia for pan

[lament kestrel]

but u never rly need to compromise, u can quite easily get the gods u want

[midnight pulsar]

Methinks % damage buffs are best on Axe

[strange kite]

for literally 1 reason and 1 reason only: scorch ranged cast

[sour cape]

But some builds are less reliant on boons and make do with other substitutes

[civic ocean]

Exactly so AQ Scorch is easy to go for

[sour cape]

Like both Aphro or Apollo or Hera good for Spin 2 win

[strange kite]

aq scorch is not easy to go for

[lament kestrel]

yeah

[strange kite]

u need 2 specific gods neither which are usually amazing and 6 air boons

[sour cape]

Zeus is good

[strange kite]

zeus is mid af

[civic ocean]

It's consistent enough to get multiple 32+ fear wins across multiple players, weapons, and weapon aspects.

Like huh

[sour cape]

whaa? His cast stuff is really good

and reserve 50 really good for fast attacking

[strange kite]

its fine. i actually like hestia more for cast for origination

[bleak night]

AQ just needs 4 iirc

[young plinth]

AQ is based on your local Air Quality Index (AQI), the damage dealt is a chunky multiplier of your AQI. Heard they wanted to encourage folks to stay indoors during bad air days /s

[civic ocean]

You guys can keep saying "it's not consistent" but it's literally as consistent as everything in this game that isn't Momus Pan or Poseidon

[strange kite]

i thought it was 6?

[spare kite]

5*

[sour cape]

Posiedon Pan and Momus ruining everythung

[spare kite]

6 is coarse grit

[sour cape]

AQ needs 5 i think

[bleak night]

Only thing that needs 6 is Coarse Grit