h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

ah, neat

[turbid hull]

Yeah, that's very strong (Heroic has +125% iirc)

[spice ibex]

got it , also do you have a good build for skull ?

[tall notch]

I'm not the person to ask as my best skull runs were Zeus cast builds 😭

[sour cape]

Zeus cast is no joke

[turbid hull]

I noticed a very funny inconsistency in the Rank VI Aspect of Persephone for Argent Skull

[tall notch]

I mean yeah it's good but it's not a skull build when I'm just using Persephone as a stat stick

[spice ibex]

alr

[bleak night]

I like playing Skull, it's fun

[tame vapor]

i just got three aphrofite room in one run and didnt get the attack boon

[turbid hull]

the Omega Special Glory damage for Rank VI is +40% (despite the other Ranks progressing like +10% -> +15% -> +20% -> +25% -> +30%, so expected +35%), afaik it's the only Aspect that's inconsistent. I don't know if it has been done voluntarily or not

[bleak night]

yeah, that's just really unfortunate

[pastel elm]

sadge

[bleak night]

oh, huh. Interesting. Do you have the list of bonuses the other aspects get listed by any chance?

I don't run Heph too much, so I've only seen a few rank 6 weapons

[turbid hull]

I am making a spreadsheet with everything rn, if you're intested, only has Aphrodite, Apollo, Artemis, Arachne and Aspects for now (since I'm going in order)

[spice ibex]

Any ideas then ?

[turbid hull]

I'm also not including any "hidden"/non accessible content I may have found

[celest swallow]

that was so fun to watch, i do want to know what arcana they ran just out of curiosity now lol

[turbid hull]

You can find it here ||https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16jTOWHeBRMTRoui75dLP0oU0tGQC-b0QO3KEWGp3YZI/edit?usp=sharing|| (I hope links are allowed)

Obviously, spoilers for aspects and weapons

[tall notch]

@bleak night do you have a powerful ranged skull build? I'm okay with dashing in to collect my skulls but I'd want the actual attacking to be from range

[bleak night]

neat, thank you

[tall notch]

Dw about spoilers, they're allowed here

[turbid hull]

And if you find anything that you think may be wrong please lmk!

[bleak night]

Apollo legendary with the hammer that turns your omega attack into a line-of-sight type laser instead of a mortar is really fun

[tall notch]

Oooh do you start Apollo with that?

[bleak night]

Yep, Apollo attack + Rocket Bombard is really fun. I have a video of it iirc

[spice ibex]

@bleak night Best boon on special for omega special skull build ?

[tall notch]

Also that's Mel skulls right?

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238400140835033109/PersephoneApolloAphro.mp4?ex=663f2581&is=663dd401&hm=62624edd82ecd200ac4fb73b13e8e7800f8a24197bca3c17f0625ffb4bc59648 It's better on Mel skull, but I ran it on Persephone for the memes and barely used Omega Special. So, same.

[bleak night]

Put Aphro in it for raw damage vs bosses, you can put Hera on it for funny mob-clearing though

[turbid hull]

Chronos ost is peak

[tall notch]

Pink Aura lite 🥰

[bleak night]

oddly enough I wasted most of my hearthrobs in this fight

You can see them just hitting the wall and disappearing a lot of the time

[tall notch]

Any preferences on third god for this?

[bleak night]

I like it a lot, but I hear it too much now that I'm starting to think maybe I should mute the ingame music and play something else so I don't get bored of it when the full game releases

[bleak night]

Let me see duo list rq. Aphro in general I don't think is needed either

[spice ibex]

Never met Hera 💀

[tall notch]

You reckon this could run Apollo+Demeter+Heph for safety and make 5 min timer?

[spare kite]

Time to take a bit of fresh air (go up)

[bleak night]

You could certainly give it a go, yeah

[bleak night]

she's fun, go meet her

[tall notch]

Maybe this is the 40 fear skull gaming I needed

Has potential

[bleak night]

it's hammer dependent tho, otherwise you play Mortar, but it's not bad as long as you get Apollo legendary

[turbid hull]

Hera has some really good boons

[plain fossil]

Its all heartthrob damage lul

[spice ibex]

where bro ? also , best vows to apply for least punishment

[plain fossil]

So u rly need +2 heartthrobs and apollo legenfary

[tall notch]

Weapon agnostic boon stacking???

[bleak night]

iirc my hearthrobs this run were unupgraded

[celest swallow]

the surface, undo the wards via incantation and go up

[plain fossil]

You say potato, i say christmas land

[bleak night]

You gotta do a surface run to meet her. Also probs try basic vows like 9 min timer and the Vow that makes enemies from the next area appear

[tall notch]

This is definitely the duo boon amount

[spice ibex]

Yeah that tight deadline is the best

[bleak night]

imo don't do higher fear runs until you get aspects and the god keepsakes unlocked, that way you have options

[spice ibex]

Got it , only 4 or 3

[tall notch]

Vow of Forsaking does nothing 95% of the time if you are okay with living by the gambling and occasionally losing a run because you lost all legendary prerequisites or got forced into taking something bad

[spice ibex]

or 2

[bleak night]

You can do 7 if you want, try running the +20% speed enemies so you get used to it

[turbid hull]

I'll go start doing the Chaos tab

[spice ibex]

Alr , and more dmg ?

shall i make tight deadlien rank 2 ?

[bleak night]

probs not, no. If you wanna do 8, turn on maybe the one for Priming 5 so you can learn to be more careful about boon selection this early on

[plain fossil]

Sometimes its actually good

[bleak night]

Vow of Arrogance rank 1, near the bottom right

[spice ibex]

its for 7

[zenith bolt]

fear kinda just depends on what you want to get comfortable with

certain fears are much more impactful than others (e.g. timer 3, speed 2, arcana, onion)

[bleak night]

for 8, you should do
Vow of Wandering level 2 (3 Fear)
Tight Deadline 1 (1 Fear)
Vow of Fury (3 Fear)
Vow of Arrogance (1 Fear)

it's not the worst, and it prepared you for higher ones

[spice ibex]

alr , but I might make tight deadline lvl 2 as I'm used to playing fast from hades 1

[bleak night]

Oh, up to you then. I do think 7 mins is good to lean into so you play faster, but atm you kinda lack raw stats or boon reroll chances from Arcana not being full, so you can afford to take your time

[turbid hull]

Interesting, the Chaos blessings seem to have a random component per boon

[bleak night]

wdym?

[spice ibex]

You're right

[bleak night]

Like, the numbers on the blessing after the curse are random ?

[turbid hull]

e.g. -Strike common range is between Attack +20% and Attack +50%

[turbid hull]

Yes, and then the Rarity multiplier is applied, I would assume

[spice ibex]

Thanks @bleak night !

[bleak night]

btw @turbid hull you want some pngs of icons and what not ?

[turbid hull]

That would be amazing

[bleak night]

I'll dm

[turbid hull]

Thanks!

[ionic lily]

My absolute favourite was when I was forced to replace born gain with zeus mana boon because it was the only one left right before chronos 😂

[spice ibex]

Got hera lol

[spare kite]

Pencil and paper strats would have saved you

[timber pawn]

I've just learned to stop taking optional boons once my build is online, when I'm running forsaking

[tall notch]

I COULD'VE DONE WORLD FIRST 42 FEAR WITH EOS IF NOT FOR THAT STUPID HEPH GAIN

[timber pawn]

Oh no

[tall notch]

This run happened a few days ago but it still lives rent-free in my head

[spare kite]

Yeah at this point I just go "do I want something else from them?"

And if the answer is yes but not build defining I'll just assume it got forsaken'd already

[tall notch]

If you get forced into their boon in fields would you just reroll or take the risk?

[spare kite]

I hope that avoiding them earlier keeps some boons intact for fields yeah

[ionic lily]

Yeah, I gotta remember to do that and stop greeding for that one more luxury boon lol

[tall notch]

Or embrace pencil meta

[spare kite]

Tho the other day I got spare wealth'd in fields then later in tart I got the aph-hera and aph-aphro duos lol

[plain fossil]

Whats the problem just facetank for mana coward

[bleak night]

Would be funny to do a 6 god run by forcing 3 with keepsakes

[spare kite]

Forsaken is also fun cuz it makes seeing spare wealth super common

I saw it like 2-3 times in H1

[tall notch]

Antler though

[plain fossil]

See previous statement

[summer root]

Hey I'm thinking of using Demeter attack on an Eos build what would be a good god to duo with?

[bleak night]

is Cold just solo getting people into Eos

[summer root]

nah they just feel like the fists

[plain fossil]

Its always hera or u run out of mana

Dont click the duo

[summer root]

Yeah but does Demeter have any good duos?

for Eos specifically

[tall notch]

There are some alright duos but none that are build-defining

[summer root]

Shame I wanna be a silly cryomancer

[plain fossil]

Oh ur asking specifically about the duo boons? Eh not really for eos just click gods that give u stuff regardless of duo

[tall notch]

Aphro is a nice-to-have if you stack max hp, Pos can be alright if you have all the hp and mana you need, Hera can give you some value if you run into it

Demeter attack Eos is good (esp with Antler since it compensates for Demeter's low damage while adding safety) but it doesn't benefit from her duos very much

[summer root]

Yeah I realized Demeter was kinda nutty on Eos I was just hoping there'd be nuttier options. I know Hestia doubles the scorch with Demeter but it'd be tricky for rng to get the right boons to pull it off

[tall notch]

You'd get some value out of it if you get scorch on cast I suppose

Because of how easily Eos can cast spam

[summer root]

And if I get hera I'd be able to get the Hera Hestia Duo

[plain fossil]

Idk if thats worth the boon with just scorch cast ngl

[bleak night]

Would probs make sense for future gods that appear to be Water and Fire, right ? Considering how scarce those are compared to Air and Earth

[summer root]

Poseidon and Aphrodite have alot of water and Hestia / Haephaestus / Apollo have fire

[bleak night]

: , , , (just one)
: , ,
: , , , ,
: , , , ,

[tall notch]

Water and fire are more scarce than earth and air because Hermes and Artemis don't have them

[bleak night]

Hermes has the one fire

[tall notch]

That makes the difference

[bleak night]

but, yeah. Water in general will have more infusions from other sources def

Considering Earth has 3 infusions because Demeter didn't go water

[tall notch]

Like for getting early AQ scorch online, you ideally want air from Hermes and Artemis

[bleak night]

I still think that maybe boons from NPCs have elements on them

except for the Narcissus one that gives you 2

[tame vapor]

what boon from apollo do you need for his duo with aph

[tall notch]

Attack/special iirc

[tame vapor]

thx

[bleak night]

Ooh, whacha doin with those hearthrobs

[turbid hull]

Strike, Flourish, Solar Ring or Ludic Gain

[tame vapor]

oh oyu know just backstabbing for a bit too much dmg :>

[turbid hull]

(attack, special, cast or mana)

[bleak night]

Ah, lovely ninja hopping

[zenith bolt]

evil universe where coarse grit is water and pos is even more broken

[bleak night]

HAHA! YES!

[spare kite]

I should play pos again soon, I miss double up

[bleak night]

play Hera-Pos and stack money

[kindred sonnet]

i really didnt vibe with the torches when i tried them but i probably just didnt build them correctly, whats a good build to use on them

[bleak night]

what aspect are we talking about

[kindred sonnet]

mel aspect since i dont have any actual aspects unlocked

[spare kite]

#h2-feedback message @weak igloo there's a meter that tracks how much glory you have (although not numerical if that's what you meant) is next to your defiances in the UI

[bleak night]

@spare kite @tall notch Do I post it again

[spare kite]

It should be automated even

[bleak night]

May I interest you in... Pink Aura? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=66500b0e&is=664eb98e&hm=4d180744fbfee150ac7aa23d838b428203d8910d9c1faf7f174345ef19c00db6&

[kindred sonnet]

????? what even is this lmao

[bleak night]

gameplay: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=66500cbe&is=664ebb3e&hm=ca334967df99144851fe922612beb5b521de2011ad44655a7cfcb04d03fb1eb2&

[strange oasis]

Aphro/Apollo Duo with Aphro on special

[bleak night]

It's a meme build, but even if you don't luck into the bonus boons, it should still be really strong with the core alone

I play it with reckless abandon, but if you were just a bit careful, you could play it well even without the Apollo Legendary

Start Aphrodite keepsake and get Special, get Hearthrobs later on if you find the boon. Then get Apollo keepsake in the 2nd area and work towards his legendary. 3rd god can be anything you want, but I prefer Hera for the mana regen

[slate pecan]

i don't even run Apollo with this, just Hera second and then whatever i find that'll help, demeter for cast for example

[bleak night]

Apollo makes you double the orbs on Omega Special + have 2 more hearthrobs per rotation, but you can definitely run without and find your dps or defensive boons elsewhere, yeah.

[oak zephyr]

I had a question and by the time I got to the channel the question had flown my mind ohhh so the game really wants me to unlock aspects, is that worth it or is it ok to just stick to one thing?

[bleak night]

This one is just pure meme build, it can be flexible

[tame vapor]

what does apollo leg do?

[bleak night]

Your Omega Attack and Omega Special happen twice for the cost of +20 mp

[slate pecan]

Apollo is optimal, but i don't like fishing for legendaries i mean duos

[bleak night]

That's a fair point, yeah.

[kindred sonnet]

my mirror is barely upgraded so i doubt i can land the apollo legendary, but ill try running the core of aphro special atleast

[timber pawn]

Aspects are quite fun and change how the weapons are played. I'd recommend unlocking them

[tame vapor]

you need something to get it or does it just appear?

[bleak night]

there's a speedrunner doing it with Aphro special, heartbreaker and Hestia cast, so you can def go without the legendary

[celest swallow]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2515900604546930547/2EE8B56B749B294B4FB2182B6D0A1EB58BDA992E/

[bleak night]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568 Use this for reference

[tame vapor]

thx both

[oak zephyr]

Gotcha thanks!

[bleak night]

Of course

[bleak night]

unlock all the aspects, but try to only upgrade the ones you find fun after. That way you can have an easier time farming Nightmares for the rest down the line by investing in the raw stats or bonuses of the aspect you want.

[oak zephyr]

Yeah

[bleak night]

What weapon do you enjoy rn ?

[turbid hull]

aspect of medea on skull my beloved

[oak zephyr]

So I think knives I find most enjoyable, I seem to do most damage/be most succesful with skulls or flames but I feel like Im not in control

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242874726209159300/1243198792694632478/Screenshot_20240522_231457_YouTube.jpg?ex=66509a99&is=664f4919&hm=d4c6f5d919c0bb7faf9f044edf4bc58ccac7aabd03404e993ca18bde88f0b22c&

Aspect of medea has the goofiest looking hammer

[bleak night]

Luckily for you, Blades have two very distinct, interesting aspects, so you can pick between

[timber pawn]

Running around with a skull balloon that gets bigger over time lol

[oak zephyr]

My first and only chronos win was with skulls and the special attack

[bleak night]

One has faster Omega Attack and the ability to parry any attack once every 15 seconds, then it boosts your crit chance for the next few hits

The other is... well the Chiron Bow

[oak zephyr]

Ohhhh

[bleak night]

can't go wrong with the Chiron Bow, good weapon

[oak zephyr]

I did not enjoy bow but maybe I will learn to

[bleak night]

The speedrunner Discord has a save file with all of em max ranked if you wanna test

[turbid hull]

Faster Omega Attack also goes up to +70% which is... Very good

[bleak night]

I'd be interested in seeing someone play that thing with precise dodging by jumping from target to target with calculated intent rather than spamming it like I am

seems like a high skill, spatial and situational awareness ceiling on it

[turbid hull]

And yeah, having +50% chance of criticals on the next 9 strikes after Riposte is insane

[oak zephyr]

I did not realise that is what it did

[timber pawn]

I mean I think 400% hammer room 1 and then spam teleporting and exploding everyone is the optimal playstyle lol

[bleak night]

I need to play this weapon more

I love playing melee and for some reason, the assassin playstyle never really called out to me

[timber pawn]

Have you seen the 48 heat run

[bleak night]

that one looked pretty seeded to me ngl

[timber pawn]

Ya it definitely is at least in erebus

Still fun to see potential

I haven't played daggers in a few days I might try Artemis 32 next

[bleak night]

I gotta say though, watching those runs

Revenants as a fear node is really unfun

[timber pawn]

Agreed

[bleak night]

It kinda ruins my gameplay loop by making me think of running to squash the souls

[turbid hull]

It's annoying yeah

[timber pawn]

I ran it on my medea run and it wasn't as bad since you're in everyone's face all the time

But for axe? Nightmare.

[bleak night]

true

[turbid hull]

[oak zephyr]

I think for now I wanna get there by myself but will keep it in mind

[turbid hull]

Heroic Chaos Boons are really crazy damn

[tough sleet]

Does anyone know if you can get the +5 health on kill with the Moon Axe?

[sour cape]

no i think thats staff only

[bleak night]

too bad the curse on it is turbo bad

[turbid hull]

Yeah, I have yet to see the ranges on this

The blessings are first in the file

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1241961946006421584/image.png?ex=66500f32&is=664ebdb2&hm=bc9214b11074ad7a9648531dd7546011cc8bc2625a3a68360397b4d58a9d9d4e& Here's mine when I found it

[turbid hull]

You also have to pay health to just even see what's going on 😭

[turbid hull]

Yikes

[oak zephyr]

Oh that is eeeeevil

[tall notch]

I'm trying to learn the "omega attack into instant dash" tech on Artemis, best attempt at 40 fear I made it to Oceanus

[bleak night]

what's the tech on Arty blades ?

[tall notch]

Charge it, send it and dash away as soon as you can

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241928479520325673/image.png?ex=664bfb87&is=664aaa07&hm=8952e4e7cb48e80bbf43cbd02139fc5f62ba23bd2e75d9420f9fe276586c39b5& my barren

[bleak night]

oh, sounds simple enough

[spare kite]

Heroic creation is +4 to every element iirc

[bleak night]

That's a better one than what I found, but tbh I only chose it for the prophecy anyway lol

[tall notch]

The trick is dashing in the right direction so that you don't rush straight into a projectile that will insta-kill you once you're out of iframes

[bleak night]

Ah, that's fair

[turbid hull]

what do you mean?

oh, okay

[bleak night]

also, I tried Apollo Lege on the Blades Omega Attack, and if you dash away the moment it hits, the second one doesn't do damage. So you have to wait for the 2nd tick before dashing to safety

[sour cape]

Attacks cost hp is brutal too 😭😭

[turbid hull]

Yep

Heroic Chant is +48% Omega Move Damage per Aether

[bleak night]

That one sucks, yeah

[tame vapor]

how can you post images here

[bleak night]

I post it in a private server, then copy the link via opening in browser

[tame vapor]

ooh

[celest swallow]

yep, i have a server just for myself for basically sending myself things for easy access between phone and desktop anyway so was easy to adjust to using it for image links here

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243202933437370398/image.png?ex=66509e74&is=664f4cf4&hm=5c3f1d03a09b62e916bd74d8e2cb4567146e81c87447f868f285ff1db8fb6c8e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=515 starting to take form

+24 Magick restoration per sec is insane

[tame vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964509075926822993/1243202713198657546/image.png?ex=66509e40&is=664f4cc0&hm=443b77dd827d71ab1010304cbb15198d566d8071279f73b14fe0a1c80f590caf& do you need one of each?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[turbid hull]

Atleast one of each section yeah

[spare kite]

The pre reqs for everything are insane in this game lmao

[tame vapor]

frr

[spare kite]

Worst you had in H1 was like fully loaded/winter harvest

Also apparently winter harvest doesn't have the cool animations here?

[oak zephyr]

I hate the concept that everything has to be bigger and better because it doesn't but hades 2 does seem to be like the right way of bigger and better

[bleak night]

Yeah, no frozen scythe swing. Perhaps it'll be added later on ?

[turbid hull]

What's Prowess chaos boon?

[spare kite]

Unobtainable afaik

[bleak night]

doesn't exist

[turbid hull]

Ah, gotcha thanks

[spare kite]

Same for finesse

[turbid hull]

Well I know what they do, but I won't put them on my sheet by respect for the devs

[terse horizon]

can someone recommend a good build for the first few runs with the staff?

[bleak night]

iirc the first few runs have pre-seeded gods appearing, so unsure atm

[oak zephyr]

Oh they do??? thats interesting!!

[bleak night]

Yeah, first one always has Apollo, second one always has Dem I think?

[spare kite]

First run also has more limited pools iirc

Can't see zeus/heph

There's also forced starts for hammer/selene/zeus/heph/pos(showing old boons/passives)

[bleak night]

fresh file speedrunners iirc do it on the 4th run since Hestia shows up ?

[glossy rivet]

why is zeus like this i havent been offered air quality for 3 whole runs now with zeus keepsake start

[timber pawn]

Also unlocks hammers somewhere in that first couple

[spare kite]

Prob run 3

[bleak night]

Either way, run 1 and 2 just get trashed ig

[valid canyon]

Is there a way to unlock the list of boons each god offers in game like how it was in the first??

[spare kite]

Get all god keepsakes

[ionic moon]

are you running vow of forsaking

[slim atlas]

do y'all think athena is returning eventually divine dash on Mel would be soo nice

[spare kite]

I wonder if we'll get to a point of run 1 speedruns lol

We don't have a ME lvl duo for now

[tame vapor]

holy frick getting apollo leg is a chore

[bleak night]

so true

[spare kite]

Use hestia's sprint

[slim atlas]

yeah but I just love athena man

[spare kite]

For all we know athena won't keep the deflect abilities

[tame vapor]

is there a boon list in game or have they not added it yet?

[slim atlas]

prolly not

[spare kite]

Get all god keepsakes, incantation

[tame vapor]

kay, ill do that

[zenith bolt]

i guess you could say it

takes an arm and a leg

[spare kite]

Have you beaten eris yet btw

[timber pawn]

Athena is going to show up but no shot we get divine dash back

[celest swallow]

she will most likely return, i'm torn on if i actually want them to fully bring back deflection at this point because i'm so used to operating without it at this point and it's kinda nice having it not always on your mind like "hey yknow it'd probably be easier if you grabbed divine dash..."

[zenith bolt]

we already have soot sprint as the spiritual successor anyway

[spare kite]

Passion dash is so nice here anyways, same for apollo's sprint

[tame vapor]

yes

[slim atlas]

I agree but then again merciful end was goated too

[timber pawn]

This game also isn't nearly as projectile heavy as h1, at least in the underworld side

[spare kite]

I don't want merciful end back lmao

[timber pawn]

Agreed tbh

[slim atlas]

only when cronos sends you back to asphodel

[acoustic remnant]

is that a regular occurrence

[gray knot]

No, grandpa just randomly decides to kidnap you

[slim atlas]

it happens every now and then from experience like every 5 runs or so

[gray knot]

I thought Asphodel was the final area back then
Very annoying to play if that's the case though

[slim atlas]

nah it's not that bad

you only have to do one level

and technically you don't even need to fight enemies

[gray knot]

Yeah, but imagine an entire area of that thing

Without the stay in the zone gimmick

[celest swallow]

it'd be easier to have a zone of it without the gimmick i'm ngl

[slim atlas]

with mel's mobility it would be horrible ngl

[timber pawn]

If it's in high heat I just fail asphodel intentionally. It's honestly brutal at 40% speed

[gray knot]

I heard you can cheese it with the time slow arcana

[celest swallow]

the only reason it's really annoying is staying in the zone and limiting your room to dodge all the crap flying at you/blowing up near you, if you could actually handle the enemies as you please that'd be much chiller lol

[slim atlas]

Axe is my favourite weapon and if you make the mistake of swinging your weapon once in lava u lose like 30 health

[spare kite]

Dealing with other aspho enemies like drakons as mel sounds awful

[celest swallow]

well yeah, don't be in the lava

[slim atlas]

haven't thought of that yet, thanks

[spare kite]

I'm glad there's only skeletons/witches lol

[celest swallow]

and the bombers

[gray knot]

I haven't played H1 so idk what's up with mobility in that game

[slim atlas]

well you have 2 dashes which helps immensly

[bleak night]

I wonder how this game fares in China btw, skulls are usually retextured or something because they can't show Skulls in Chinese media

[celest swallow]

no sprint but can have multiple dashes in a row before it goes on cooldown for a bit

[river sparrow]

we had TWO DASHES

[bleak night]

like, we know a lot of the speedrunners are Chinese, too

[gray knot]

[river sparrow]

ahh, the good old days. when you could dash 5 times in a row

[timber pawn]

It seems as is so far on bilibili

[bleak night]

neat

[gray knot]

Well if we have that many dashes in H2 it would be kinda overpowered

[slim atlas]

depends on how they do it

[river sparrow]

yeah we got the sprint instead (which i always forget i have)

[slim atlas]

I think the buff to the sprint was really good tho

ever since then it's been a lot better

[gray knot]

Hermes sprint my beloved

[tame vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964509075926822993/1243210791080034344/image.png?ex=6650a5c6&is=664f5446&hm=682395980e294b0d0eab2f45549b5f773fc5a9c15132761d877da81573a64e39& god i love Lim and Oros

i would have been like 6 min shorter but i had to go afk and left my game on

[gray knot]

Chronos 382 damage

Damn, grandpa caused a lot of trouble

[slim atlas]

lowkey gramps is a hard fight

imo waayy harder than H1's final fight

[bleak night]

I took 1100 damage from Chronos once

[timber pawn]

Was that the luigi

[bleak night]

yes

[slim atlas]

700 was my max

[gray knot]

Moon Water me guess

[spare kite]

Comically large amount of hp or defiances

[bleak night]

Luigi kill setup

[bleak night]

nope, you wanna watch ?

[gray knot]

No

[timber pawn]

Lmao

[tame vapor]

i do

[bleak night]

You should anyway, you'll find it funny.

[bleak night]

#h2-victory-boasting message

I stood still and let him get himself killed on damage return

[spare kite]

Were you the first afk grandpa kill actually, recorded at least

[bleak night]

I think so

[slim atlas]

damn I struggle beating gramps the normal way still

[bleak night]

It took me a while to start finding him easy that I meme build him. It's progression dw.

Eventually you'll also meme build him to death

[slim atlas]

well ever since the last patch he has gotten a lot easier

[gray knot]

Is there a Hex aspect yet

[bleak night]

did they nerf him in the patch or something ?

[gray knot]

We have a Charon for Cast where is the Aspect so I can Lunar Ray my way to victory

[bleak night]

would be neat if they had an aspect that made Hexes get boosted effects or something

[slim atlas]

nah they just upped mel's mobility

[gray knot]

Hexes as a whole is very weak until you go out your way to get the upgrades

[bleak night]

Oh, you mean the new dash and the general boost to base sprint speed ?

[slim atlas]

ye

[slim atlas]

i agree but you can make them pretty stupidly strong

[gray knot]

Lunar Ray my beloved

Get the auto aim upgrade and it's kinda stupid

[slim atlas]

nah my favourite one is the nuke

it does 1k damage in the targeted area after 4 secs

[bleak night]

I still prefer Wolf Howl if it gets the good Path of Stars nodes

[spare kite]

The nuke is fun for the impervious while is preparing

[bleak night]

100% crit on next strike + fat damage and 2nd use

[spare kite]

But yeah wolf howl my beloved

[slim atlas]

and you can upgrade it so everything in that area has -80% speed
combined with aphrodite cast you have an inescapable nuke

[gray knot]

Hexes are cool but the way to get there is pretty long most people jist get Moon Water and call everything else trash

[spare kite]

To be fairrrr

Best way to play them is double up cuz they take so much commitment lmao

[bleak night]

managed to get doubled up Path of Stars while having the keepsake, it was kinda ridiculous

[spare kite]

Wolf howl dmg on jump + double use sounds fun with smithy sprint tho

And ofc the "hex inherits sprint effect"

[timber pawn]

Did that give like 8 nodes or something?

[gray knot]

Haha yes

[bleak night]

for reference, look at the amount of nodes I already had unlocked https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243026693304745984/image.png?ex=6650a312&is=664f5192&hm=938992cf49ee1c1b22ce1a0a6c7df826356cb4fd08b7649ae5195dfa8f3b089e&

and I had 6 unspent

[spare kite]

How much did the summons poke chronos for

[timber pawn]

That is absurd haha

[bleak night]

idk I barely used it because this was the White Antler Thanatos run

[slim atlas]

i created something funny too in my run rn

[bleak night]

I was critting for 1k at least 6-7 times during whirlwinds

[slim atlas]

lunar ray + zeus attack with chain lightning
it inherits the attack boons

so I get a lot of chain lightning I think

[summer seal]

Dayum. What boons do you generally shot for on Thanatos White Antler runs? I've tried a few times and love the big numbers but just can't avoid taking damage

[bleak night]

Heph-Hera for the duo and I had a lot of Heph support boons like armor priming and invuln on encounter entry

[spare sand]

How do we feel the Zeus regen boon. I usually end up taking the testaments that prime mana so I don’t pick it a lot but outside of that how does it feel compared to like Poesidon

[summer seal]

Oh interesting, so no boons on attack? And do you force both with the keepsake and then switch to antler?

[bleak night]

I don't like it

[timber pawn]

Probably the worst regen in the game ya

[bleak night]

I did both then swapped to Antler only in the final area, I didn't need it much in the first 3 because I kinda just know the limits of the weapon for the most part

[slim atlas]

on axe I think it's ok-ish since I don't use omega attacks and specials too much
but in general it's pretty bad I think

[summer seal]

Gotcha, what fear?

[bleak night]

This was low fear, like only 10

[sour cape]

One of most useless boons in game 😭😭

[bleak night]

I usually do meme runs in 10

[summer seal]

cool cool, mch appreciated!

[bleak night]

You going to give it a go ?

[spare sand]

It seemed ok on like. The first few runs where I got a ton of mana from hestia and pickups. But it seems like it’s too demanding.

I think I would like zues more if you got regen everytime blitz went off or something like that

[summer seal]

Plan to, but that's like 10 hours from now. Have to do that whole employment thing. And before that run going to just spam surface runs at 0 fear to try and get that dang Medea keepsake that is the last one I'm missing

[bleak night]

Medea's rare for me, too

[blissful wren]

plus zeus only giving +4 is really bad, hestia is less restrictive and gives +7 on common

[slim atlas]

what does medea keepsake do?

missing circe and her I think

[summer seal]

I've probably done 20 something surface runs, seen Medea once and she wouldn't take Nectar

[blissful wren]

+20/30/40% omega dmg if uve taken at least 250 dmg that run

[bleak night]

^

[slim atlas]

that's not that great honestly

[weak igloo]

Thanks for the heads up! I guess I just completely missed it? It did seem like a weird omission

[slim atlas]

unless you run a tanky run

[bleak night]

It's one of the better offensives option

[spare kite]

The dmg is tracked even w/o the keepsake

[slim atlas]

but u do need to take a lot of damage

[slim atlas]

oh that's amazing

[spare kite]

So by tart is often active or close to active

[sour cape]

Its so high dmg 👀👀

[dusty sapphire]

You tend to naturally accumulate that much damage by the end of Oceanus at most

[sour cape]

Yea, unless you crushing the run so much that yea, can do whatever 😂

[slim atlas]

I thought you had to have it equipped the entire time

[spare kite]

Also it like, depends
+40% if you already have like +200% dmg ain't that much

[slim atlas]

I always forget to pick up max life soooo....

also is it just me or is the axe special horrendous

[civic ocean]

I think the fleece might be worth on Omega Cast builds because Moon gives a lot of Power and it's a lot less easy to accumulate % damage on casts

[sour cape]

Its good, blocks a lot and deals good dmg at range

[civic ocean]

So you might have your gods set by fields but not yet have the Apollo duos yet on Charon for instance and you need the extra oomph for the Ocasts to oneshot wolves

[sour cape]

takes a ton of mana though 😭

You can block Chronos infamous scythe

[slim atlas]

I usually run apollo attack too so the range is basically useless

and enemies somehow always manage to attack at the frame where I'm not blocking lol

[sour cape]

😭

Yea its kinda awkward cancelling attack into block

If it didnt have such mana issues, would be one of best attacks imo

[turbid hull]

I'm def not eager for her

[bleak night]

28 pages, 26 of which are Path of Stars nodes

[turbid hull]

hold on I'll check how the file looks like

[slim atlas]

das crazy

grampa time

[turbid hull]

scary, she doesn't even have a TraitData_ file so I'll have to find her specific file

[prime ridge]

Maybe it’s better to ask here but how do you guys best chronos? Which boons work best for you?
I tend to go for hephaestus zeus or Aphrodite a lot but never made it past phase 2

[turbid hull]

oh it's TraitData_Talent

[bleak night]

it's all weapon dependent

[timber pawn]

More of it is tied to upgrading arcana and learning the boss patterns at the beginning

And upgraded keepsakes

[queen charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86sogrDWTZE

[turbid hull]

also even if you manage to buy somehow ||Dissolution of Time|| it doesn't do anything

[queen charm]

had a lot of fun with this

[turbid hull]

nice gg

[prime ridge]

Keepsakes i tend to go with the spider one for the first few areas and then in tartarus I switch to the extra death defiance

[prime ridge]

I mainly use the staff or the axe

[spare kite]

Doesn't unequipping arachne's remove all the armor

[slim atlas]

apollo attack on axe so you can hold your distance

[bleak night]

for Axe, try Aphro and Demeter as your core. Aphro attack and Demeter cast can help you out

[analog osprey]

easiest way to prevent datamining: "we dont actually have anything prepared for this yet"

[prime ridge]

I unequip if I lose the armor

[queen charm]

got a Chaos boon that reduced omega charge speed by 24% iirc, and on top of the staffs 30% speed reduction no less

[turbid hull]

Yep. Although I'm keeping "hidden" stuff I find for myself to avoid that kind of issue

[prime ridge]

Yeah the cast I think I heavily underestimate

I don’t really use it much

[cursive oyster]

i almost invariably take god keepsake -> fetus -> hammer -> knuckle bones or tooth

[blissful wren]

its very important

[turbid hull]

It was funny to see what the actual cost was

[bleak night]

it takes a while to get used to using it

[slim atlas]

honestly demeter had one of the best effects

[prime ridge]

I do want to try the weapon that’s similar to the hades 1 bow

Where the special is homing into cast

[spare kite]

Pan is goated

[prime ridge]

Could be strong maybe

[analog osprey]

consensus is that it is

[prime ridge]

What’s a good build for the pan aspect?

[bleak night]

Poseidon Special, mostly. The rest can be what you want

[blissful wren]

scalding vapor

[cursive oyster]

Poseidon special, sprial knives if possible

[summer seal]

^

[blissful wren]

smolder ring and wave flourish

[turbid hull]

all aspects of the blades are great

[cursive oyster]

scalding vapor is actually bad imo because it removes slip and therefore origination

[blissful wren]

it removes it? what thats dumb

[prime ridge]

Okay good to know

[bleak night]

A good chance for you not being able to beat Chronos is probs you don't really know how to deal with the attacks yet rather than build

It took me a while to realize that you can get behind it and he'll mostly struggle

for phase 1, that is. In phase 2 the real issues are the minions he spawns and the general environment

You'll learn as you go, dw

[prime ridge]

Phase 1 I usually consistently beat

[bleak night]

Ah, you know how to dodge the instakill in phase 2 at least, right

[blissful wren]

if u can get heras cast is nice

[prime ridge]

I just can’t see anything

[bleak night]

turn on the brightness at that point, there should be an option

[prime ridge]

Yeah the insta kill is pretty trivial to dodge usually

It’s more so that I can’t deal enough damage and get outlasted

[prime ridge]

Oh maybe

[bleak night]

the visibility of stuff during that fight is definitely an issue though, yeah

They could maybe stand to make the battlefield a colour contrast like Hades' is

[cloud scarab]

Thing is it's counter intuitive, sometimes you need to get to the light area and sometimes you need to dodge the light and dash into the shadows.

[prime ridge]

Hades I used to kill maybe 90% of the time once I got used to his pattern

But I just can’t best chronos, skill issue I know but frustrating

[celest swallow]

ye needs some red to make things pop or similar. however, i swear my vampire survivors spamming days prepared me for tracking things through visual insanity forever after

[cloud scarab]

But once you know it... honestly I do better in phase 2 than in phase 1 for some reason ?

[summer seal]

Phase 2 honestly feels easier to me

[slim atlas]

phase 2 has less hp

[cloud scarab]

By far

[slim atlas]

at least I think

[cloud scarab]

I definitely agree, I can usually get chronos to call for support in phase two before he does his 999 DMG ult twice.

And pan with Poseidon specials absolutely melts his face in phase two

[kindred sonnet]

I also feel this way kinda, chronos currently feels way harder to me than hades but then again I have nearly 200 hours on hades1 and barely 10 hours on hades2, probably it's just that practice/learning the fight is required until they feel on par

[slim atlas]

I think his damage output is just pretty crazy

[prime ridge]

I got 20 hours in h2 but I just am too bad to kill time lol

[slim atlas]

like get hit once and if you're unlucky you get wombo combo'd for 100hp

[celest swallow]

Chronos just has a lot more chances to chunk you big enough to steal DDs, even if it's not his OHKO stuff

[prime ridge]

I often do really well with no hits and then he hits me once and it tumbles into a chain until I lose like 2 or 3 DDs and all my concentration lol

[cloud scarab]

I have about 80 runs now. And if I don't go crazy with vows I can reliably kill chronos with pretty much every weapon. (Though haven't really done a torches run yet, just didn't seem like my play style)

[celest swallow]

even at very high level play watching others do it it's not unusual to see several DDs lost during P2

[tame vapor]

can you guys give me a good perseph skull build

[cloud scarab]

Yeah I think I've only defeated him once without losing a DD in all my runs.

[pastel elm]

i just hate the adds i can deal with anything else

[celest swallow]

praise be to the -50% adds Hades boon when it happens

[slim atlas]

hades "boons" are so good

[lament kestrel]

pan with pos special melts anything

[cloud scarab]

Basically just abuse special. Chuck out all skulls, special dash in and out and rinse and repeat. Pretty safe mode all in all.
Get Aphrodite for damage and Hera for Magic and your golden

[quiet axle]

Is there a way to see the gods & list of boons when in the boon selection process? I can D-pad left to see my build... wasn't sure if I was missing a way to get to the list of gods/boons.

[lament kestrel]

same

only beat him 3 times tho

[cloud scarab]

I think I'm up to 15 or so

[lament kestrel]

i rate the abbey road pfp🔥

[lament kestrel]

wym 🤨
🤨🤨🤨

[cloud scarab]

Not sure what pfp stands for and Abbey road makes me think of the Beatles. So I'm confused by your message

[pastel elm]

profile picture

[lament kestrel]

profile picture

[cloud scarab]

Ahhh okay beatles wasn't wrong than

[lament kestrel]

indeed

[cloud scarab]

Still from Social distancing days 😅

[royal topaz]

Can I just not get another familiar if I pick the one? Like I can't just make another cookie?

[timber pawn]

You can make more cookies. You'll run into one other familiar eventually

[royal topaz]

I already have, but the cookie option never pops up for me

[cloud scarab]

Currently to two familiars, but only one at a time

[royal topaz]

As in I haven't made another cookie, I literally CANT make one.

Do I just choose the recipe again with the ingredients?

[lament kestrel]

u unlock it later

[lament kestrel]

well yeah u need the ingredients ofc

[royal topaz]

I've been through like, 45 runs. Hasn't shown up

The re-recipe

[civic ocean]

It's in the 2nd tab

[tall notch]

My favourite staff! Btw, you probably noticed already but there's something off about your recording thing, it cuts off he top and bottom of the screen

[royal topaz]

Which, again, the cookie recipe is not there

[civic ocean]

Then you'll unlock it later if you keep playing

[civic ocean]

No, not currently

[cinder path]

anyone got any cool charon builds outside of the apollo-dem-hera core?

[bleak night]

Apollo-Zeus-Dem is the core, no ?

If you haven't tried that one, you might find it better

[edgy jetty]

what arcana would people recommend for aspect of momus staff?

[timber pawn]

Most important is huntress, more damage when no mana. And then origination is also good, you're going for slip and then freeze or weak, or eve scorch

[queen charm]

I didnt clip the original recording far enough and it was too late to change it by the time I noticed

[cloud scarab]

Aphrodite is pretty strong too since you almost always get the damage bonus and with axe numbers, the percentage boost is pretty strong of you can push the numbers.

[sudden scaffold]

you must unlock the chaos trials before you're offered the spell

[cinder path]

what do you use zeus for?

[bleak night]

Lightning Lance

[cloud scarab]

Chain lightning maybe

[bleak night]

makes your Cast ranged on drop

[gloomy belfry]

recommended Fear 16 loadout for a the easiest of time?

[sour cape]

Apollo-Zeus-Dem is ideal cept for your mana is less than ideal

[cinder path]

eh

do i really care about the range

[sour cape]

and the disaster duo addsa ton of dmg

[cinder path]

does the duo work?

[sour cape]

Yea

[lament kestrel]

apollo zeus is incredible if u get the duo

[bleak night]

It certainly makes it better, yeah

[lament kestrel]

its already rly good but damn

[cinder path]

interesting

[bleak night]

Also running Zeus on Special is kinda free Blitz pop as well

[cinder path]

i figured you had to channel the extra mana for the duo to work

[cloud scarab]

Where can you see all the boons ? I crafted the book, but missed where you can see them

[sour cape]

Nope, Charon break counts!

[bleak night]

go to the Book of Night and hover over the Gods and the weapons, should say Offerings

[sour cape]

Same for Demeter/Apollo duo

[cinder path]

well dem apollo duo specifies it just increases the cost

[sour cape]

But the dmg applies

[cinder path]

sure

[sour cape]

even thougy costs no mana

[cinder path]

right but in my head extra cost and channeling a separate effect work different

but i guess with charon it doesn't matter

[sour cape]

Just pray for mana boon from Chaos

[civic ocean]

Neither Glorious Disaster nor Torrential Downpour have any downsides with Charon. They add the damage and increase the damage, and the cost DOES go up, but only if you use the Omega Cast. Blowing up your regular cast remains the same cost.

[cinder path]

yea i knew about downpour

Thanks for the info about disaster!

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1243233603966599259/image.png?ex=6650bb05&is=664f6985&hm=691e9acc3c76ed42629e6b4330d3e6fd7bd67ee6125ff6ed961b2bec26e8221b& is anyone else's speedrun.com website bugging out?

[sour cape]

Maybe if force 4th god 🙏

For Hera 😂

[rain hazel]

How am I supposed to know what im dodging from chronos whens hes hitting me off screen...?

[sour cape]

I wonder can you get 3 in Erebus?

[celest swallow]

i've had 3 in Erebus and then forced a 4th in Oceanus, yeah

the shop boons generally help with making that happen

[civic ocean]

I feel like you answered your own question here - keep him on the screen! If you must take him off screen to kill the mobs, put your cast down between you and Chronos and it will act as a buffer against him charging into you.

[sour cape]

Getting the 3 you want still kinda rng

[rain hazel]

I cant get his patterns figured out so staying close doesnt really feel like an option.

[celest swallow]

well yes of course, as always

definitely not something to reliably plan around

[civic ocean]

Just takes some practice - in every case except the dome and the orbs, dashing behind him is a strong option

[celest swallow]

in fact, fairly sure the third i got in Erebus wasn't actually one i wanted, thus forcing a 4th i did want as my core trio in Oceanus with the keepsake

[sour cape]

fair fair

[celest swallow]

but it means i could get some fun lil secondary boons from that fourth god from time to time like if a trial came up or multiple boons in a fields location

cos iirc the one i didn't want for that build was poseidon, so that never hurts to get his secondaries

[sour cape]

Ohh yea hes got good resource support

Nice to have for any build unless at the end

[celest swallow]

plus stuff like "annihilate everything for the first 10 seconds of every encounter"

[sour cape]

combined with Hephaestus one, Mels just godly for 10s

[celest swallow]

yeah, didn't have him cos iirc i was doing Aphro/Hera/Apollo for my main trio, but having his supporting stuff didn't hurt on top of that. and yeah similarly never gonna be sad to get secondaries from Heph, or any of the gods that can secondary boon your cast, etc.

basically, most likely to happen if you get a mystery boon in an Erebus shop plus two other gods is my tl;dr

[sour cape]

Truee

I never seem to go for Aphro much but her full heal boons so comfy

[cinder path]

how am i getting origination up and running with zeus in my trio now for charon

[sour cape]

Aphros prob my least used

Since Hestia sometimes desperate for mana and ranged cast

[celest swallow]

aphro is great for a bunch of builds, and for that one i was doing a mel torch run so aphro special was just a lot of fun to have

[sour cape]

Yea shes got a lotta dmg and good heals

[kindred copper]

guys can i ask a question about a boon

[celest swallow]

started out being like "if i can get pink aura online, great, if not it'll still be fun" and it did not come online, but it was fun, and i did get apollo legendary at least just not the apollo/aphro duo

[sour cape]

I dont think her cast is very good though

[civic ocean]

Cut it for Moon

[cinder path]

i'm runnign both right now

[civic ocean]

Cut it for smth else then

[sour cape]

Cut Champions and pray

Rerolls useless if you always get what you want

[civic ocean]

Weren't you the person who couldn't get solar ring on apollo

[sour cape]

Yea...

[kindred copper]

if i take life tax from hades does it count down the healing even if im full health

[sour cape]

Sometimes it doesnt work 💀

[civic ocean]

I believe life tax has to heal you to tick down

[kindred copper]

if it does that would be amazing

[sour cape]

No, doesnt count if you full hp

[civic ocean]

It's a free 100 hp heal more or less yeah

[kindred copper]

that is lovely

[sour cape]

its quite nice, 100 hp boon

[kindred copper]

alright thanks a lot, with that i should have my first clear

[celest swallow]

def not ideal but if it's what you get offered to get origination set up, at least it's something haha

[sour cape]

Ywa at least does apply Weak

[celest swallow]

and the pull in to keep people who just got too close caught in a cyclone on it can be fun

but yeah, def not as good as the dem/hestia/apollo/zeus offerings

[sour cape]

Aphros heal to full if above X% hp can heal sooo much

crazy thats not an infusion

[civic ocean]

I think going for Origination on the Apo Aphro build for torches isn't quite such a good idea, since you probably want to burn the status afflicters for the leg and duo

[bleak night]

@fast walrus You here by any chance ?

[celest swallow]

oh yeah that was a different thought, i wasn't doing origination for that run

or hmm did i, i don't remember, last night is a blur

[sour cape]

Will Pan Daggers become next op weapon when Momus nerfed?

[fast walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/loadsamoney-gif-18858431

[civic ocean]

Not much use predicting balance patches

[fast walrus]

wot

[bleak night]

dm

[tame vapor]

what build do you guys recommend for aspect of momus?

[civic ocean]

Poseidon Antler probably

[sour cape]

Poseidon, Zeus is really good

[tame vapor]

pos special?

[celest swallow]

yep

[sour cape]

The main weakness of the special is low aoe

but Zeus chain lightning and Poseidon splash fixes that

So you become the bullet hell 💀

[distant ocean]

the speed and homing aspect makes momus the best aoe lol

[sour cape]

Not really without Poseidon

[tame vapor]

cool should i be going for any duos?

[sour cape]

Otherwise youd take Aphro for higher dmg %

[distant ocean]

not really, considering hydraulic might is aphrodite in a can

[half raptor]

im doin the hepheastus hestia combo atm and its doin pretty good

[distant ocean]

flat damage is just generally the bees knees since there's not alot of ways to obtain it and tons of ways to obtain aphrodite percent scaling

[sour cape]

Hydraulic Might only works at the start

more of a speedrunner pick

[distant ocean]

kings tide, any chaos boons, any arcana cards

[sour cape]

Hmm thats true there are more % dmg buffs

[bleak night]

Hydraulic Might + Mint Condition goes hard tho

[sour cape]

Yea it is really nice 😎😎

[distant ocean]

just gotta phase chronos in 15seconds

[spare kite]

Oonga boonga mode for 10s

[sour cape]

Clearing some mobs at statts good value to reduce all the dangers

[distant ocean]

i'd argue poseidon is bad for aoe because of the knockback

but it's not really that bad

[sour cape]

Its good aoe since otherwise the special shots have none

[distant ocean]

they got a small little area

[sour cape]

you go from not being able to clear the fish swarms to bonking them

[distant ocean]

hmm

[celest swallow]

it's not enough knockback to mess things up too bad and the splash it adds is big, add on slip and hoo boi

[sour cape]

yea

[distant ocean]

those usually group up tight enough that the innate aoe would begood enough but yeah it helps

[sour cape]

Innate aoe is noticeably worse and for skulls

[distant ocean]

I like the bit of added aoe, kinda hope balance patch makes more things as impactful as momus is

[summer root]

static shock, scorch, zeus hestia duo, support fire on eos torches? very meme

melted everything even with 0 mana the entire time

(the zeus boon that makes minimum damage 30 really helped)

[sour cape]

I feel like Momus eating the nerf for sure 😭😭

[distant ocean]

eos really do be like gimme 10 boons and I'll start working

[sour cape]

Prob removing the special dmg increase and nerfing the duo cast hammer

[civic ocean]

Eos goes off with just Passion Dash wdym

[distant ocean]

Bruuuuh, it goes so hard with poseidon sprint wdym

[hollow stag]

What is the trigger to unlock weapon aspects?

I know it’s not bring every weapon to Hecate.

[civic ocean]

cant sprint yikes

[distant ocean]

i don't think It's much of a joke to say that poseidon sprint by itself probably has more dps than passion dash eos

[civic ocean]

I think it's a pretty telling thing to say

[distant ocean]

maybe

[turbid hull]

isn't it using each weapon at least once in a run?

[half raptor]

no i think its just unlockin enough tarot cards and having enough space for tarot cards

[civic ocean]

It's not clear - use every weapon, play a bunch, and Hecate will give you the incantation for weapon aspects

[half raptor]

the cauldron juice

[hollow stag]

I remember never touching ice cream cone for combat, and I unlocked aspects before.

[turbid hull]

Maybe it's defeat hecate with each weapon once

[bleak night]

The unlock conditions for that are kinda confusin

[turbid hull]

what's the name of the incantation

[bleak night]

I don't think there is one

I think it just unlocks the ability naturally by having the prophecy unlocked

[civic ocean]

There is a name for it

I am pretty sure you need to cauldron it

[turbid hull]

Aspects of Night and Darkness

[bleak night]

ah, there we go, yeah

[civic ocean]

We could looking in the lua files for it

[turbid hull]

So the internal name for it seems to be WorldUpgradeWeaponUpgradeSystem

[hollow stag]

Oh, I found out the unlock conditions for aspects

[bleak night]

Ngl this idea sounds pretty great #h2-feedback message

[turbid hull]

what file?

[bleak night]

how does it go ?

[civic ocean]

Sounds good, maybe a bit out of scope for SGG but a good suggestion

[turbid hull]

Hecate at some point says "To bear each of the Nocturnal Arms is a terrible responsibility. You've only begun to realize their nature; a certain incantation shall deepen your understanding."

Oh well

[civic ocean]

Yeah the text seems to imply that using the arms once is key

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243244461379555419/image.png?ex=6650c521&is=664f73a1&hm=9ac7b8e020324f57000c66104959f5f23a5d26359f2bb1b0b9f90c9af348391f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=946&height=520

[civic ocean]

but we have anecdotes of that not being the case

[sour cape]

I think its gotta be to the Underworld

I used Skull for surface and didnt unlock 🤔

[turbid hull]

I guess you need at least 5 Hecate kills, and have unlocked every weapon. No clue what the PackageBountyChaosIntro is

[hollow stag]

• Unlock 5 weapons

• Use Tablet in one run

• Use Pickaxe in two runs

• Use Shovel in two runs

[civic ocean]

ohhhhhh the tools!

that makes sense.

[turbid hull]

Where did you find that?

[hollow stag]

No wonder trigger didn’t happen on night 13, I only used shovel once

Someone else shared it awhile ago. Looked into game files

[turbid hull]

Game files seem to imply those are the requirements

            {
                PlayOnce = true,
                GameStateRequirements =
                {
                    {
                        Path = { "GameState", "EnemyKills", "Hecate" },
                        Comparison = ">=",
                        Value = 5,
                    },
                    {
                        Path = { "GameState", "WeaponsUnlocked" },
                        HasAll = { "WeaponDagger", "WeaponAxe", "WeaponTorch", "WeaponLob" },
                    },
                    {
                        Path = { "PrevRun", "WeaponsUnlocked" },
                        HasNone = { "WeaponDagger", "WeaponAxe", "WeaponTorch", "WeaponLob" },
                    },
                    {
                        Path = { "CurrentRun", "ActiveBounty" },
                        IsNone = { "PackageBountyChaosIntro" }
                    },
                    -- backward compatibility
                    {
                        PathFalse = { "GameState", "WorldUpgradesAdded", "WorldUpgradeWeaponUpgradeSystem" },
                    },
                }```

[hollow stag]

I’m on night 14, I used shovel for 2nd time on night 13, so I should get weapon trigger on this run.

[turbid hull]

No clue what PackageBountyChaosIntro is, but there's atleast a 5 Hecate kills requirement

[bleak night]

True

[spare kite]

Chaos intro makes me think meeting chaos or the trials stone

[turbid hull]

I think it may just be meeting Chaos, but I'm not sure

Either way, 5 Hecate "kills" seem required

Wait

Aren't bounties the heat stuff?

nevermind, I found it, it's the Chaos Trials

[spare kite]

Most people clear with aspects before unlocking the vows

[civic ocean]

I think "bounties" might be code for the harvestable resources, like "nature's bounty"

[spare kite]

Hey I was correct lol

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1243246133321662474/image.png?ex=6650c6b0&is=664f7530&hm=5762b003e221360311b2d68de57b5a8c24ac4a17b00e1187e19501fefc43a5b2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=688&height=662 PackageBountyChaosIntro is the very first Chaos Trial you unlock

[civic ocean]

Ah so you have to unlock the chaos trials

so it's:

-unlock all the weapons

-unlock the chaos trials

-5 hecate KOs

[turbid hull]

So presumably the conditions (according to that one file, and assuming I know how to read) are

• 5 Hecate "kills"
• Unlock all 5 weapons
• Unlock the Chaos Trials

only way to really know would be testing

[civic ocean]

Well at least we finally have an answer

[bleak night]

True

[solar cobalt]

How do you unlock chaos trials? I remember it just showing up randomly

[civic ocean]

say hi to chaos a bunch

gift him stuff

them? it?

[turbid hull]

french has Chaos be them

[timber pawn]

Same in English afaik

[civic ocean]

Are they holding their head and spine from Hades 1 is that what that is

[spare kite]

They are funny just like that yeah

• they just give you an embryo

[bleak night]

It looks like it, yeah

[civic ocean]

got so tilted by the Chronos bamboozle that they literally tore their head off

[bleak night]

idt Chaos even cares that the Fates were captured

[civic ocean]

They do mention that they're kinda pissed that they didnt get Nyx back and are like actively intervening as a result

[sour cape]

and pissed that Chronos tricked them

[civic ocean]

So like what did Chronos do, did he just go like "okay tell me where the fates are and ill give u back nyx" and chaos told him and then he was like "okay cya"

[turbid hull]

TrialUpgrade seems to be Chaos Boons

[spare kite]

He just asked chaos where they were "just in case"

[bleak night]

If Chaos truly wants to help, I better get Heroic boons without sacrificing my Arcana deck for 7 encounters

[spare kite]

Chronos idea was to trade Nyx for the fates but then chaos just answered so like
Lmao gg

[sour cape]

Its more like Chronos was prepared to offer Nyx back but all he had to do was ask where they were

[turbid hull]

So seems like the Chaos Trials requirements are

• get Boons from Chaos three times
• performed Unraveling a Fateful Bond incantation

[sour cape]

And Chaos is annoyed they got scammed wheb realized Chronos wanted the fates for his own ends

[spice ibex]

Bro I didnt unlock aspects although I beat hecate with all weapons

[bleak night]

Do you have Chaos Trials unlocked ?

[bleak night]

try this ^, apparently these are the conditions

[spice ibex]

yes , and finished one ( very easy )

[bleak night]

Weird.

I'm not sure then

[harsh bronze]

I have discovered an awesome OP build it's called machine gun build i made a video about it of how to get it i was using Poseidon keepsake to get his boon faster.

and the hammer upgrade was just RNG and the build won't work without it https://youtu.be/uclAs0TppzI?si=PUUgW5etwPykrUwe

[turbid hull]

There may still be some sort of main storyline to follow

[civic ocean]

Yeah this was the day 1 build

[turbid hull]

I will now go back to my spreadsheet

Gotta finish that Chaos tab

[harsh bronze]

You got any new builds i can try

[spice ibex]

Are you sure you are the one who discovered it

[bleak night]

@civic ocean Do I do it

[civic ocean]

I don't think they meant they were the first person to discover it

[harsh bronze]

No i saw it on a video

[civic ocean]

https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/Resources pink aura is here

[bleak night]

I'm itching to pull out the Pink Aura image again

[harsh bronze]

I maybe didn’t explain it well my bad

[bleak night]

Incredible Balls

[spice ibex]

maybe i need to do another run to unlock aspects ??

[bleak night]

that's a funny name for it, actually

[bleak night]

I'm not too sure, sorry. Best just keep doing runs until you unlock

[spice ibex]

Ok thanks bro

I'll kill myself till i unlock it

[turbid hull]

Well once you have all requirements you would need to atleast go to Hecate, since she's the one that unlocks it for you

[civic ocean]

Once I get the 32 clear on Mel Staff it's gonna be Slam Down Big Style

[bleak night]

Did you actually post the Air Fryer meme build

[spice ibex]

in the house or boss

[turbid hull]

No clue, try both, probably boss

[spare kite]

She gives most stuff when meeting her as a boss

[bleak night]

@civic ocean https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/Resources/Air Fryer Persephone Your Arcana thing is borked

You have Sorceress listed 8x

[turbid hull]

Just equip it 7 times, you don't know how to do that? /j

[civic ocean]

@solemn loom arcana is broken on the guide

[bleak night]

Ah, it's the website that has the issue

[slim atlas]

does anybody know how to get ambrosia
is there a way that's not just buying

[bleak night]

Just buying, yeah

[slim atlas]

oh man

[civic ocean]

you get 1 from somebody for free can't remember, maybe it's a list

[slim atlas]

capitalism time then

[bleak night]

The free one comes with the accomplishing of the incantation for unlocking the Taverna iirc

[tough hamlet]

yeah that's it basically lol

[spice ibex]

@bleak night Tell me a good build to try rn

[bleak night]

on base aspects ?

[spice ibex]

Yeah

[bleak night]

You have Hera's keepsake ?

[spice ibex]

Yep

[tough hamlet]

I'm hoping that they add it ambrosia awards for when the surface gets its new areas

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239973336914853978/Melinoe_Staff_shenanigans.mp4?ex=6644dea9&is=66438d29&hm=528297c68aa28c4b30691ec0370ba0333769b2b48dc4b76f97fac348b7584cce

[slim atlas]

they kinda need to

[spice ibex]

Born gain is overpowered , but why Hera on attack ? Why not apollo for instance

[bleak night]

Hera has the highest % damage boost after Aphrodite, and hers is the best for this one because Aphro requires you to be melee range

plus you can clear mobs with ease by tagging them in the line of fire

additionally, it's a status curse you can apply. I ran it with Apollo's legendary and made sure to get charge time reduction for Omega wherever I can

[spice ibex]

oh alr , also that lion fang keepsake , I don't understand it

[bleak night]

Demeter was great for Weed Killer, as well, so it's neat

[bleak night]

Best keepsake for this build in Tartarus would generally be Blackened Fleece, but I didn't take 250 damage in total the entire run, so it has no use. I ran Lion Fang to increase my damage by 25% (50%, but it decreases 5% every encounter) instead

[spice ibex]

nvm

[bleak night]

Yeah, Lion Fang is kinda bad unless Tartarus and you kinda need an all-around boost rather than something defensive

[spice ibex]

favourite hex ?

[bleak night]

Wolf Howl, but it's also kinda luck-dependent

[spice ibex]

oh i currently have it full in choices

[civic ocean]

You also like really gotta be down bad for an offensive boost for 25% against Chronos to be like a primo pick

[bleak night]

Sometimes Wolf Howl has a Path of Stars node that turns your next strike into an automatic critical hit

[spice ibex]

lmao

[bleak night]

but sometimes it's too late for you to find out that it's not in there, you gotta commit to a Selene room

so I tend to just not bother, maybe use it as a Get Out of Jail card when in a bad spot

I'd appreciate Hexes a bit more if we could see the Path of Stars tree the moment we get it

[spice ibex]

Yeah but imo they shouldn't do that

[tough hamlet]

I always take moon water when it's offered

[civic ocean]

how many times do you willingly take a Selene room over a different room that is offering something that doesn't brick your build

[turbid hull]

probably the mega laser or the jump

[bleak night]

In meme runs, I go to Selene rooms whenever I have Wolf Howl and pray I have the crit node

[civic ocean]

Right but you had to GET wolf howl first

[analog osprey]

probably above nectar/psyche/ash/bones and nothing else

[bleak night]

I usually get Selene room 1 if I do have it

[civic ocean]

you'll never be offered this choice tho

[tough hamlet]

I get selene over hammers sometimes if it's earlier on

[civic ocean]

whaaaat

[tough hamlet]

or later on and I already have a hammer

honestly I just hope it's moon water so then I can get the upgrade that let's you stack the uses with fountains lol

[sour cape]

Should Vow of Abandon be worth more fear?

That one sounds like free death

[civic ocean]

Should Vow of Abandon exist? (n0)

[bleak night]

which one was Abandon again?

[warped harness]

is zeus a good secondary god to take with a poseison focused cast build?

[sour cape]

No arcana

[bleak night]

Just delete it imo

[warped harness]

for things like lightning lance

[sour cape]

It sure feels like a scam for 5 fear

[bleak night]

probs, yeah. What kind of Pos Cast build are you running

[civic ocean]

sure why not, Poseidon cast builds are pretty agnostic

[spare kite]

Routine inspection but worse is certainly one of the pacts of all time

[warped harness]

not even for pos cast, just to place the cast at a safe distance to charge pan at

[bleak night]

ah... if it's Pan then Lightning Lance is nice to have, yeah

[civic ocean]

Honestly I feel like Abandon is in the game so people can't use the OP stuff to clear max fear during early access

[dry mirage]

what's a decent torch build? i have a one fear testament on Eris with it lol

[bleak night]

Oh my god is it time for me to post it again, boys?

[spare kite]

Something like transistor's limiter of minus memory works much better, reduce the grasp available

[warped harness]

do you have aspects unlocked?

[dry mirage]

yessir

aspect of Mel is rank 5 bc i had recoursce

[civic ocean]

You can go for balls build or some Eos stuff

[bleak night]

Can I interest you in Pink Aura ?

[civic ocean]

if you're mel 5 you want the balls build/pink aura

[neon crypt]

Which skull aspect do you guys use? Trying to figure out the best but struggling.

[dry mirage]

the other two are rank 1 but yeah sure

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6650b3ce&is=664f624e&hm=e5e3e9fdd84c6812cbbe8120e0d20ebd4814d54856b21f47437c6cd8eccefb9d&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=6650b57e&is=664f63fe&hm=0387ac8924833c6596f09b5140cf4b70c1d104389f046a4c663e52e091d50241&

[civic ocean]

https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/Resources/Aspect of Melinoe Flames - Incredible Balls here's the build

[bleak night]

I had it ready lol

[dry mirage]

yeah that looks diabolical

[sour cape]

How much fear you think Abandon shpuld be worth?

[bleak night]

can you change the name pls

[analog osprey]

the eyesore of love

[warped harness]

medea is the clear favorite, you have invulnerability during the dash and it has some silly combos with most boons

[dry mirage]

thats a super cool site man good work

[civic ocean]

No amount of fear would interest me in playing without the arcana

[civic ocean]

Site is by @solemn loom I just wrote the stuff

[bleak night]

Persephone and Medea seem to be popular

[dry mirage]

oh bet

[bleak night]

I split my time between both, for the most part

[sour cape]

How about if Abandon lets you pick 1 card for judgement runs?

[dry mirage]

alright let me cook

[bleak night]

Let us know if the build works

[warped harness]

does persephone's extended special have i frames

[civic ocean]

yes

[dry mirage]

will do, thanks for all the help btw

[neon crypt]

is the attack or the special best to focus on?

[civic ocean]

both

[bleak night]

You gotta mutter the prayer incantation for it to work

[neon crypt]

alright, what boons should i look for?

[warped harness]

yeah both, both are going to be providing a lot of damage

[civic ocean]

note that you DO NOT have invulnerability during the non-omega special dash

[warped harness]

hera, aphro, demeter for cast and supportive stuff same with heph

[bleak night]

It hits hard though, but yeah

[timber pawn]

You absolutely do not have invincibility during the dash btw. Just the omega special

[warped harness]

damn 😔 sry misinfo

[dry mirage]

oh is it like really hard to get running

[neon crypt]

ok thank you

[timber pawn]

Np, we're all learning/remembering stuff haha

[bleak night]

It needs the Apollo legendary and the Apollo-Aphro duo to make as many orbs as you're seeing. Otherwise, you can do a lesser version that, in all honesty, gets the job done.

[dry mirage]

ohhh alright alright

[timber pawn]

That makes medea spicier though because it is strong but tough to use, which, arguably more fun in some ways?

[warped harness]

can be more fun, i wouldnt say so on rly high heat

[civic ocean]

I think Medea meta is gonna be trip earths at some point yeah

[bleak night]

East, why are you peddling Thermal Dynamics plus AQ Scorch all of a sudden

[civic ocean]

I'm not peddling anything its good lmao

[warped harness]

aq scorch?

[bleak night]

Alright, I'll try it next time

[bleak night]

Air Quality (Zeus infusion, 30 damage is the minimum anything you dish out can deal)

[civic ocean]

Once you stack up like 100 scorch the scorch procs the blitz which procs more scorch

[warped harness]

oh right

[bleak night]

Wait rly, so it keeps going ?

[civic ocean]

all u gotta do is keep applying blitz

[bleak night]

Can I do this on Pan or something

[warped harness]

that actually sounds really fun

[civic ocean]

presumably you can do it on anything

[bleak night]

I barely play Sis Blades, so might as well try a meme build on the busted weapon

[civic ocean]

but like u don't need thermo

[bleak night]

It's a meme run though, I must go for all the necessities to make it fun

[civic ocean]

it's like getting double moonshot on momus it just makes the run ez

[bleak night]

I'll give it a try next time, I'm about to play Pyre again so I can progress

[tiny wasp]

so when an aspect says it increases attack and special damage by (x)%, that percentage comes from the power of the base attack and special right? Or am i dumb

[analog osprey]

sgg cultist?

[civic ocean]

Yes, the key is the whether or not it is singular or plural

[bleak night]

Yeah, if it says Attacks and Specials (plural), it should be both base and Omega

[bleak night]

I just started Pyre, but yeah I've played Bastion and Transistor already before on the Switch

[warped harness]

i kinda wish artemis aspect was a duration rather than a # of hits

[tiny wasp]

Just wanted to be suure because i thought the aspect of medea's numbers when maxed were a little low on the attack and special numbers. it is not actually a 60% increase

[dry mirage]

wait nahh i love this build

[warped harness]

wdym?

[dry mirage]

i got lucky and got aphro for my first two doors on surface so i got the aphro special and hearthrobs, then got Hera and Apollo in Ephyra we're looking pretty good im ngl

[bleak night]

It's a +60% on base attack and base special for the Beowulf combo

[bleak night]

hope your hammer gives you the +1 helix

[dry mirage]

me too man me too

[stable sable]

vow of bitterness makes god keepsakes just literally useless right?

[bleak night]

not particularly, you can still find that same god after the first room and still rarify it

[warped harness]

not exactly?

[bleak night]

Does it make it a whole lot worse? Definitely. Useless? Nope.

[stable sable]

oh i forgot about rarifying

but i meant it no longer guarantess you any god

[civic ocean]

it does still put the god into the pool iirc

[warped harness]

tbh i think the keepsake is nice if you have boon rarity priming vow bc its bugged and only does the base afaik

[bleak night]

it still guarantees that you'll see that god, it's just that the room reward when you first see one is an onion

Better than letting rng decide your god, I suppose

I like the rarifying part of it being optional

that way I can run Aromatic

[tiny wasp]

i know that part, but the base attack is 75 and the base special is 38. aspect of medea does not add the right percentage of those numbers to the babse attack and special

[bleak night]

Hmm, let me test that out

[stable sable]

huh might run that vow after all then

[wet nova]

you applying extra modifiers like casts or huntress?

[civic ocean]

would not recommend running onion

[stable sable]

I guess I will simply see first, whether another vow feels too strong and if so swap said vow out for onion

[bleak night]

Mine is doing 80 and 40 respectively, while Persephone is doing 50 and 25 on uncharged

so that's definitely +60%

[wet nova]

yh then they have huntress activated maybe

for it to do 75 instead of 50

[tiny wasp]

goddamnit, i didnt evenv consiser that. THAT WAS IT

[turbid hull]

Sure!

[bleak night]

wait, it does less attack and more special ?

[wet nova]

nearly everything is additive if you test smth and the numbers arent adding up, its because you forgot to account for smth

[wet nova]

huntress does 50% to both I thought?

[turbid hull]

It's only a WIP for now, I'll probably add more stuff such as the requirements later, for now I just want the base stats covered @solemn loom

[tiny wasp]

thank yall, i was trying to figure out if i was getting scammed or not on the damage department lol @bleak night @wet nova

[bleak night]

I deactivated Huntress and I still do 80 and 40

[wet nova]

maybe cos you havent gone below 100%🤦‍♂️

[wet nova]

I mean this btw they mentioned they were getting 75 on base skull

[bleak night]

weird

[dry mirage]

well i got growing coals which isnt horrible

[wet nova]

yh so huntress + medea should give 110%

so base should go to 105 for the attack with both together

[bleak night]

I don't particularly care for the Cast when going pink aura