h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

It wasn't that much of a meme build, honestly. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243034176798724208/White_Antler_Than.mp4?ex=6650014a&is=664eafca&hm=ff989092078dc9f4dfd1e9ba73fd471234e7cfe828a29cf2a4c2d3e76b19521c&

do I do AQ Scorch on Axe now ?

[tall notch]

Yes

[jovial cove]

22 minuts on chronos

[plain fossil]

That seems the same tier of why-would-you-ever as poseidon big chop

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243035132156313620/image.png?ex=6650022d&is=664eb0ad&hm=968dc11a5d3713d3fba2c36cb8e9478b41a3b6dca0dca6b32633807abc401375&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243035326189142056/image.png?ex=6650025c&is=664eb0dc&hm=96c4c730f3d3239a546b6414ac0e26562f64e124e20a8ac2b70b57dfa18bb241&

Traps 1895

[bleak night]

That's what meme builds are for. Also, Scorch on Axe looks really sick

[tall notch]

Have you seen the special drill build with Pos?

[bleak night]

for AQ Scorch I should probs do start so I can begin stacking , then I'll swap to for Oceanus

[tall notch]

Coud play AQ axe similar + get chain lightning + aq will boost the base special ticks to 30

[timber pawn]

The traps glitch makes me chuckle

[bleak night]

Oh, should I just run it on Special instead of attack ?

Because if you've tried whirlwinding with Hestia attack, it looks pretty glorious

[tall notch]

Hmmm

[bleak night]

it's not very good, but visually it's nice

[tall notch]

On special it should be actually decent

There's synergy

[bleak night]

so Zeus stack into Hestia should probs work then, yeah ?

what's a good 3rd god for it ?

[high dagger]

what is the best way to deal with the pin birds in the siren fight

[bleak night]

What weapon are you using

also if anything, run away for a bit and then cast when they come near, so they get stuck on the edges and give you time to kill a few

[gloomy heart]

I think of it as a dps check, but putting down a cast right where you're at should keep them from getting to ya

[high dagger]

the staff

[high dagger]

ohhh thats smart

[bleak night]

probs run away and spam special, look for an opportunity to Omega Attack and kill a few if they're bunched up

then do the Cast thing when they get near and start dash attacking to the side to kill

[uneven palm]

Cast will keep them off you while you smack her, or Omega cast will kill them if you’re swarmed. But mostly just try to kill the boss ASAP and they’re less of a problem

[high dagger]

ty ty :>

[plain fossil]

Yes its awful but i laughed a little

[bleak night]

try it

[civic ocean]

Do the time stop drill thing and stack like 10k scorch on Cerb

[bleak night]

I'll need a specific Hex for that iirc

[plain fossil]

This seems like an absurd amount of setup lul

U need ur airfryer setup and also full hex by end a3

[bleak night]

that's the point of meme builds tbf, too much setup to either be ridiculously good or ridiculously lousy

[bleak night]

oh, you don't need full hex, just a specific Hex according to Coin. Ones with long startup

[plain fossil]

I assumed u would want extended actual timestop hex

[tall notch]

Nah they're abusing axe specials interaction with the long hex startup animations

[plain fossil]

Yea where it keeps ticking at normal speed during the slowdown

[spare kite]

aw didn't manage to max the meteor hex

[plain fossil]

Which feels like a bug ngl but hey the fastest way to file a high priority bug is via youtube

[spare kite]

wanted to see how the apollo's cast would've looked lmao

[plain fossil]

I gotta say the meteor hex is another horrendous one

Its too slow to use early and too zdps to use late

[bleak night]

I feel like Phase Shift will be good eventually

[plain fossil]

I can see it

[spare kite]

phase shift is nice for the surface

[bleak night]

the one that slows everything down

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1243041392549167194/image.png?ex=66500802&is=664eb682&hm=fcd9acd724216aabc1d2610d90410d9572088d9db58128a18d35b8e7bb049dab& why do I have sprint dmg

[bleak night]

atm it's good for everything except for Chronos, no ?

[karmic gust]

does apollos double hit affect axes omega attack?

[bleak night]

is that the Artemis one where if you dash you deal more bonus damage on Omega for 2 sec ?

[spare kite]

arrow after hit with omega cast

[bleak night]

It's only for the swings, not the whirl

[karmic gust]

dang, thanks

[spare kite]

wait why I haven't maxed out charon's aspect yet

[bleak night]

do it

[timber pawn]

It's probably my favorite aspect in the game atm. Honestly I really like Medea after running it today. Even if I got my ass kicked lol

[bleak night]

were you really into Beowulf in 1 ?

[timber pawn]

I got my first and only 32 in h1 with the gauntlets

Which I'd argue is closer to medea, now that I think about it

[bleak night]

I'm really bad with gauntlets

[timber pawn]

I'm baffled by my h1 hours, I can't believe I got burnt out under 100 hrs. Since I'm nearly at that now in 2

[plain fossil]

My favourite aspects atm are:

• mel torches
• charon axe
• artemis dagger
• mel torches
• mel staff
• eos torches
• mel torches

[timber pawn]

But it was a less expansive game I guess

[zenith bolt]

torch truther

[distant ocean]

i get the feeling this guy likes mel torches

[tall notch]

You should try mel torches!

[tall notch]

Least obsessed torch fan

[plain fossil]

Ok i will, thanks for the support

Hey man theres a reason the only aspect i feel comfortable enough to talk about as though i know anything is mel torches

[timber pawn]

BTW if you're still working on medea at all, watching crovens speedrun helps a little imo, in terms of how to approach enemies etc

[viscid rain]

Can someone sell me on the skull? Are there good aspects for it?

[gentle hatch]

i wish we had discussion boards for each weapon. hard to keep track of everything on here

[plain fossil]

This is my list of favourite skull aspects:

[tame fern]

My typical skull build is medea with Aphro attack

[tall notch]

Why aren't Mel torches on the list?

[viscid rain]

what's the combat rotation on Medea? Regular attack feels weird

[distant ocean]

skulls. they do a lot of damage with full salvo and no damage without it. skulls.

[plain fossil]

Trueeeeeee

[tame fern]

Secondarily I'd use Mel aspect with Apollo attack (the idea is to get enough range to shoot all three skulls at once before contact)

[timber pawn]

Load an attack and then special through the enemy to hit them with the special and attack damage

[distant ocean]

they have you charging into enemies without any real form of defense without magick. skulls. magick. magick skulls. magick with a k. because we're kool.

[zenith bolt]

attack -> special -> attack -> special -> etc

omega special if you need the invuln/are in oceanus

[civic ocean]

Persephone with Zeus Cast + Passion Dash -> Air Quality Thermal Dynamics Scorch.

As seen here! https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/Resources/Air Fryer Persephone

[viscid rain]

interesting. So percentage boons are better for it or Poseidon where each hit deals 50 or so?

[zenith bolt]

i usually go aphro attack and aphro special

[timber pawn]

Zeus works well on the special since it'll proc blitz immediately

Aphro attack is good, demeter support for freeze and stuff, also very handy

[plain fossil]

Medea is typically an aph build

[viscid rain]

Thanks! gonna try out the build now.

[tired fulcrum]

The speed run build is like aph attack zeus special

[glossy rivet]

can axe omega special trigger blitz right away?

[civic ocean]

sometimes yes

[plain fossil]

Yea it can if u doublehit with it but the hit that removes blitz wont reapply it

I struggle with blitz at high fear a bit i cant rly find a home for it

I found it okay on mel daggers as ppl seem to like poseidon but i find poseidon trolls melee daggers a bit

[lunar lance]

OK, I think Charon Axe is served well by Apollo.

Specifically, the Solar Ring cast boon. Turns the Omega Cast into a pulsing pillar of light that hits enemies repeatedly. So detonating that with the axe special is very fun

Hestia or Zeus (for the ranged cast option) are also nice.

[timber pawn]

This and aph cast were basically the only offensive boons I got on my 32 medea run and I beat a 5 min timer so it's pretty effective

[lunar lance]

Granted, the Charon Axe really likes the hammer that speeds up the charge

[tame fern]

But wouldn't Apollo's omega cast slow down the time until you can use your next cast?

[zenith bolt]

apollo + zeus is the ideal combo for charon

[timber pawn]

It doesn't slow time at all no

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah but it does 10 billion damage

[zenith bolt]

solar ring with glorious disaster is meaty damage

[bleak night]

Usually the size of it is so massive that you're fine with leaving it on there to completely blast away

[timber pawn]

You don't actually cast the omega cast either, charon aspect just explodes it

[tame fern]

No, I don't mean that, while Apollo's cast is firing you can't use your next cast

[lunar lance]

He means that while the pillar of light is firing you can't line up your next cast

[timber pawn]

Ah, got it

[tame fern]

I only did Charon once but I did Demeter cast for origination, ranged cast, faster charge, and I aimed to rapidfire multiple explosions

[lunar lance]

Yeah, and it's not bad at all to continue slamming down specials while the pillar is frying stuff

Now that I think about it, combining Solar Ring with, say, Hera's special would be fun. Might be overkill, but even without Hitch, a big fat damage boost on the axe slam is nice.

I did a run where the special got an Apollo boon instead, and that was still very very good.

[lunar lance]

Especially with the Apollo boon that makes the cast grow in size until it expires. I think I noted that the size of the light pillar is similarly expanded.

[tame fern]

And this setup is still good at killing Chronos/Eris? Feels like they'd just move out of the Apollo cast while it's firing

[zenith bolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238278614336667719/1242401411732344883/32_fear_chronos_axe.mp4?ex=664fae3b&is=664e5cbb&hm=1f36e4be10af75a7153131621f2bd9717545bad4ffa1f0191b38fd0123831a64&

[plain fossil]

It ruins their day

[lunar lance]

I just had a really good Chronos fight with it.

[bleak night]

Pretty much, yeah. I just like the idea of an Axe with stationary area denial

[lunar lance]

He likes to move, but not constantly. He absolutely will sit there and face tank a Solar Ring sometimes, especially when he's charging something up

[zenith bolt]

this video is even +40% speed which helps prove the point

[lunar lance]

And again, a boon like Hestia's coal, Zeus's ring, or even HAdes's skull can slam the cast right on their location.

[tame fern]

I feel like I moved away from apollo cast ever since I found out that it delays your next cast placement, but maybe it's worthwhile

My reasoning is that Zeus cast does more damage to single targets, and I don't really need cast to deal damage to multiple targets (since I can just hit them myself while they're slowed anyway)

[lunar lance]

I did notice that as I was playing through that run. But also, noticed that it did so much damage that it was worth the delay in cast, to me.

[plain fossil]

It does way more damage than any other cast option on charon axe because its the only one that doesnt cut short when you eat the cast

[lunar lance]

I'm sure someone could crunch the numbers to figure out the DPS difference between the two options, but I just noticed that stuff died real fast.

[plain fossil]

Uh well poseidon doesnt either but that does a lot less damage and doesnt have air quality upside

[zenith bolt]

i think apollo cast makes up the difference with glorious disaster

[tame fern]

But my line is reasoning is that you want to cut the cast short so you can use your next cast sooner

[zenith bolt]

and i mean it has no trouble hitting chronos on +40% speed so idk

[plain fossil]

What are u getting by using it sooner tho, ur not getting more zeus only more 200 damage base from omega cast

[tame fern]

Yeah, you're getting more 200 damage pops

[lunar lance]

I feel like that works out only if the damage from a second cast outpaces what the Solar Ring does.

[tame fern]

And I wouldn't use Zeus cast with Charon, I used Demeter the one time I tried (or I'd do Hestia, just something to get origination)

[lunar lance]

It's a DPS equation there.

[tame fern]

The other side of it is, does the damage from Solar Ring outpace the utility of a second cast placement

[lunar lance]

Origination is the bonus damage for 2 ailments thing, right?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[tame fern]

Yeah, +50% damage

[plain fossil]

Yea it doesnt even at lv1 common, apollo omega at base is like 220 or something

[zenith bolt]

solar ring hits comical damage numbers with glorious disaster (or just a decent rarity/level one)

[plain fossil]

With investment it goes to over 400

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243051413609648168/image.png?ex=66501157&is=664ebfd7&hm=698d79c0c91fd53b7a38169aa4bdd077761c40299d055e2e35b9092ef46a6b68& meteor hex impervious is nice

[lunar lance]

I gotta say, "Glorious Disaster" is an amazing name.

[zenith bolt]

and the main downside of apollo cast is alleviated by charon's functionality

[lunar lance]

There's a lot of characters you could describe as glorious disasters.

[civic ocean]

Solar Ring is required for Glorious Disaster and is a potential combo piece for Torrential Downpour, so it's like far and away the best cast boon for Charon, since the major upside of Charon is being able to use these two massively powerful duo boons without their downsides

[lunar lance]

This is important, yeah.

Solar Ring may delay your next cast. But Charon Axe speeds up Solar Ring by a hilarious amount, especially if you get charge speed boosts.

[plain fossil]

Ye even if u dont hit those its still better than doing anything else

And then u have upside on top

[lunar lance]

Slamming a Charon Axe into a Solar Ring cast will fire the light pillar way faster than just omega casting it

[civic ocean]

and you still want Zeus and Demeter anyways - Lightning Lance, Local Climate, and Gale Force are all fantastic for Charon

[lunar lance]

Oh right, so Gale Force's cyclone doesn't care if the cast is still up?

[plain fossil]

Its fixed duration of 3 seconds pretty sure, u can see it ends early with hera cast

[civic ocean]

By the time you retreat and fire off the Charon Bomb, Gale Force has already slowed and done great damage

[timber pawn]

It also slows projectiles while you're blowing up your cast

[lunar lance]

Nice.

[tame fern]

The cyclone will end when you pop it, but it gives you some breathing room to fire the special

[plain fossil]

I didnt ever time it with charon tho only noticed it finishes way before hera cast

[civic ocean]

The only downside of the build is Gains, where unironically Tranquil gain is going to be your take the majority of the time

[zenith bolt]

save me, chaos

[lunar lance]

Gotta say, I'm really glad that Solar Ring turned out to be as good as I thought it would be. I was thinking of gods to go for for the Charon axe, andApollo sounded really good.

[plain fossil]

Whatever u do dont click apollo gain

[lunar lance]

Yeah, I actually lucked into a massive magic recovery boon from Chaos.

It was like 12.5 every second?

[ionic moon]

apollo is untouchable for any omega cast build right now, imo

[civic ocean]

honestly you like CAN take lucid gain you just have to take a "regen break" for one of your casts

[zenith bolt]

luckily, most magick regen boons that aren't apollo/zeus (funny enough) are fine

[lunar lance]

Hestia's gain might be a funny option, if you can spare the health

[plain fossil]

Idk about untouchable, i like it mildly over zeus cast in the general sense but i dont think the gap is massive

[zenith bolt]

any decent magick/s works (zeus is not decent)

[plain fossil]

Yea but thats just really terrible demeter gain lul and demeter gain is alrdy meme

[zenith bolt]

fluid gain probably works?

[split igloo]

How do you build axe w/o magick at higher fear levels?

[lunar lance]

Do the bubbles appear if something is hit with an omega move?

[tame fern]

Fluid gain doesn't work on cast damage I think

[zenith bolt]

does it not? shame

[plain fossil]

Yes its % per hit with attack or special, not cast

[spare kite]

wording is strike with your weapon iirc

[lunar lance]

Gotcha.

[civic ocean]

Generally speaking if you are increasing the cast speed (Mel Staff, Charon) then Apollo is better, and if you're increasing the cast damage (Persephone) then Zeus is better

[zenith bolt]

just be lucky with omega special

[tame fern]

I usually do axe without magic, get faster swings, use Apollo, left click from across the room

[lunar lance]

I think the gain I'd go for most would indeed be Tranquil Gain, or maybe the Hestia one.

[zenith bolt]

or born gain

[lunar lance]

Depending on what actually appears, of course.

[plain fossil]

Clearly the real cast build is air fryer hestia cast obviously

[lunar lance]

I actually picked up Born Gain on that run just now. But the Chaos boon outpaced my costs so much that I activated it like once.

[civic ocean]

There are only 3 ways to qualify for Torrential Downpour through Demeter, and one of them is Arctic Ring, which would lock you out of Glorious Disaster, and the other is Frigid Sprint, which isn't very useful for the build anyways, so Tranquil Gain ends up being a pretty valuable take for Charon

[lunar lance]

And then you get a run where the game gives you Apollo, Zeus, and Hephaestus. Pick your poison for the gains there.

[civic ocean]

It is reasonably easy to just dodge a third god you don't want tbf

[lunar lance]

Fair.

[jovial cove]

honestly apollo's pretty good

[zenith bolt]

on charon, no

[novel maple]

Tranquil Gain on charon starts mid special animation no?

[jovial cove]

oh charon axe

[lunar lance]

It just means downtime on the cast explosions, though.

[civic ocean]

I think you have to not be inputting any commands

[lunar lance]

Yeah. I brought up charon axe, because I had a really good run where I selected Apollo and grabbed Solar Ring.

[civic ocean]

Like that is what Tranquil Gain checks for I am pretty sure

[jovial cove]

my bad I did not read

[novel maple]

Just take a breather after you've channneled gor 5 seconds

[tawny stag]

why

[civic ocean]

beeg dmg

[ionic moon]

solar ring is already arguably the best omega cast, then he gets access to the best omega cast duos (glorious disaster and torrential downpour)

and as a bonus, you also can get access to the apollo legendary, which can be good if youre already focusing on omegas

[tawny stag]

Hera gain is pretty good

[lunar lance]

It is.

[zenith bolt]

(read: the best magick regen boon in the game)

[lunar lance]

weapon dependent, of course, but it's particularly awesome with Ygnium (Eos specifically)

[tawny stag]

Her cast is so bad I feel like it’s a prank

[lunar lance]

It depends on what you want from it.

[glossy rivet]

is zeus attack on than axe still any good?

[lunar lance]

Drop it and it works like passive damage on any enemy that joins the battle

Plus, pinning an enemy for longer than usual can be nice

[tawny stag]

Also scorch dps just feels bad so slow for what it is

[glossy rivet]

each tick on spin is 50 damage so maybe zeus blitz could compete with % boons maybe?

[tawny stag]

Yeah great in oceanus

but like in boss fights unless you have cyclone it’s kinda useless

[lunar lance]

Last phase of Scylla is already kind of a joke, but Hera cast makes it really a joke.

[glossy rivet]

hera cast is p good for hecate fight instakilling her witch buddies

[forest veldt]

its good for first 2 zones in general, enemies have low enough hp to insta kill some. rly falls off after tho since harder to get 2 curses

[lunar lance]

I think that if you get certain boons that harm enemies inside your cast, it can be nice. IDK if any of them stack with HEra's cast though. And one of those boons is Zeus, so...

[tired fulcrum]

With no attack boosts thats a zeus proc every 4 hits, and if you have a lot of attack then zeus has icd issues and at most procs every 2 attacks

[sour cape]

Ugh do I finally take King's Ransom and throw run 😭

[glossy rivet]

tfw icd strikes again

[zenith bolt]

engagement ring is stronger in the earlygame due to its higher fixed damage, can make erebus and oceanus much faster

it's just kinda bad later

[sour cape]

losing Born Again on Pan

[glossy rivet]

how to make king ransoms appear: take born gain
zeus goes predator mode to deliver u ransom

[zenith bolt]

hera does the same when im trying to do charon

i stg she shows up and tries to eat all my zeus boons every other run with charon

[sour cape]

yea run throwing, i got no more mana boons

omega 3 times per encounter 💀

[ionic moon]

there's always silver wheel

[celest slate]

in your opinion what is probably the best aspect per weapon? so far I only have the opinion of momus is just the best period but idk for everything else

[zenith bolt]

momus, pan, [very debatable], charon (for now), idfk

[plain fossil]

In terms of power its probably momus pan eos charon medea

[ionic moon]

i think mel torches have crazy dps potential but i'm too bad to stay alive on them

[lunar lance]

I prefer Melinoe over Medea

[jovial cove]

for daggers I'm an Artemis believer, they have better heat than Pan currently

[tired fulcrum]

Medea has funny speedrun shenanigans until you run into the water noodles

[ionic lily]

Staff: Momus
Blades: Pan
Torch: Eos
Axe: Than
Skull: Persephone

Last two is ehh but they're more flexible cos of their generic buffs

[plain fossil]

Sigh automodded again... in terms of what i enjoy its mel artemis mel charon and i dislike all the skulls

[glass juniper]

I like Mel for the Torch to be honest.

[lunar lance]

When you use Artemis daggers, do you have the time-slow on charge active or not? I find it hard to actually fish for a parry when the enemy slows down

[plain fossil]

Demeter mel torches best mel torches

[tired fulcrum]

Timeslow gross

[ionic moon]

yeah demeter on melee-ish weapons definitely is a good go-to

[jovial cove]

I do and I use the parry as extra protection. You can time slow infinitely if you keep dashing.

[ionic lily]

But my personal preference is mel axe over than/charon, I just like the axe normal attack sequence

[zenith bolt]

i would put mel axe at the worst axe lol

[lunar lance]

I like that each of the axpects axcels in a different area. Mel for basic attack string, Than for spin to win, Charon for special slam

[timber pawn]

That stupid miniboss.

[jovial cove]

This is more of a favorites list than anything but I'm:

Staff : Momus
Blades: Artemis
Flames: Eos
Axe: Thanatos
Skull: Melinoe

[ionic lily]

It is lol, I only use it on low fear runs lol

[tired fulcrum]

Axe combo is

[civic ocean]

Pink Aura and Freeze triple earth are both super good for mel torches

[plain fossil]

Also as i said many times i have more fun with mel torches i just understand that eos is less likely to make u run facefirst into 50 mobs and die

[lunar lance]

It reminds me of Excalibur combo. But without the bonus defense while swinging.

[terse junco]

What's pink aura? Aphro on special?

[zenith bolt]

is mynt awake

[civic ocean]

Aph+Apo

[ionic lily]

Hearthrob spam

[zenith bolt]

saying "pink aura" in the bathroom mirror 3 times to summon mynt to builds chat

[uncut ginkgo]

anyoen know if you use a sacrifice boon to remove your only boon from a god does that god get removed from your 3-pool?

[tired fulcrum]

I went back to h1 to try excal and it actually does damage . Cerby and chronos have too much hp for axe combo and attack builds dont really have a lot of support compared to omega spam other than funny hellsplitter bonks

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=66500b0e&is=664eb98e&hm=4d180744fbfee150ac7aa23d838b428203d8910d9c1faf7f174345ef19c00db6& from mynt

[plain fossil]

Big bonk so bad 😦 u always die mid chop

[lunar lance]

Good god.

[tired fulcrum]

Big bonk fo2

[forest veldt]

classic dyno

[zenith bolt]

just dodge

[jovial cove]

yeah looking at this 48 fear artemis run they don't use time slow. But I like to play knives slow and methodical like

[lunar lance]

So you get the Aphrodite boon that gives you a circling bomb when you spend a certain amount of magic, then spam flames with Born Gain or something, for a ring of pain

[ionic moon]

if you use Sorceress it's harder to Riposte

[jovial cove]

eh not really.
you just gotta wait for it

I can see it being an issue on high desperation but I don't care for that vow

[spare kite]

• 1 Ω omega flame hammer and apollo's legendary too

[civic ocean]

their duo makes 3 instead of 1, and apollo's legendary doubles the omega special and always makes heartthrobs (increased cost)

[plain fossil]

I agree timing is quite tight with sorceress i turn it off for artemis runs

[uncut ginkgo]

Hello friends,

Anyone know if you use a sacrifice boon to remove your only boon from a god does that god get removed from your 3-pool?

[spare kite]

Nah

[lunar lance]

Whose duo? Aphrodite and who else?

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242597020028637233/Hades_II_2024-05-21_14-54-36.mp4?ex=664fbba7&is=664e6a27&hm=c5a8cf1be6cc6f1388c26f8788e77fee121d60bd3ce646179b245a08041b0630& heart throbs are kinda good

[spare kite]

Or at least it shouldn't
I don't trust this game

[ionic moon]

https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app/boons/aphrodite#sunny-disposition-apollo

[gloomy belfry]

Pan aspect is SO OP. I won a Chronos run with only 6 magick not being primed. The knives just do that much damage.

Is a nerf in consideration?

[lunar lance]

Nice

[gloomy belfry]

I DID have the hammer that reduced the special cost by 60%, so i think a 6 attack was close to a full one, but stack two hammers on that bad boy and any special boon and it melts through everything

[plain fossil]

Pan is pretty rng i dont think its candidate #1 for a nerf but if sgg really want to tamp back on player power they could

[spare kite]

What lvl were those orbs lmfao

[zenith bolt]

poseidon is probably getting nerfed in general but i dont think blades hammers are gonna see nerfs

[civic ocean]

Hook Knives

[plain fossil]

Hook knives might

[zenith bolt]

eh fair

[gloomy belfry]

which one is hook knives? The ones that return plus backstab?

[plain fossil]

Yes

[spare kite]

Yeah

[gloomy belfry]

that's crazy OP lol, i haven't participated in the meta build discussion, but as a casual i can confirm

[plain fossil]

Its the best hammer for pan daggers by a mile

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242597828677599232/Screenshot_185.png?ex=664fbc68&is=664e6ae8&hm=7365fbb96b655a0449dcfefa7277cf280d18c623fa0023864df6bbe100338cad& not very high

[lunar lance]

I love how good it feels to use the gods' keepsakes this go around.

In Hades 1, I rarely used them; I was really enamored with Thanatos's or Hermes's keepsake, which wanted you to use it from the very beginning. But without anything quite like those this go around, I really like being able to influence my build from the start, and juice up one of the boons.

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh even with common heart throbs i was spamming so many of them that itd probably still instaphase

[gloomy belfry]

wait, heartthrobs are stackable? I thought you only ketp the one (or 3 iwth aphro/apo duo) until it exploded

[lunar lance]

Indeed, the more powerful DPS keepsakes kinda get better later in a run, like the Blackened Fleece

[civic ocean]

sorta not really

[spare kite]

y'know they were the same in H1 right

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah you can spam like 30 of them

[gloomy belfry]

Coward. There's Eris' keepsake. Stack up the damage. YOLO

[tired fulcrum]

Than and hermes keepsakes were kinda bad

[spare kite]

Eris's keepsake should be higher for the memes

[civic ocean]

Eris' keepsake is like wildly bad though right

[spare kite]

Let me get one shotted

[gloomy belfry]

I mean, it's FUN. But i agree it doesn't go high enough even at max level

[civic ocean]

We care way less about dealing 20% than we do about taking 20% more it's the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals

[gloomy belfry]

Ramp that up two or three times, let me get the invulnerable for 10 seconds boon and let me go to town on Chronos

[spare kite]

Can't wait for achievements and see "reach x% with eris keepsake*

[civic ocean]

Unless you go Coarse Grit

[lunar lance]

The comparison is more to the items around them. IDK if the butterfly was actually the best, but I was so focused on using it that I rarely wanted to forego building it up in Tartarus.

Also, there's a bit of a difference with the god keepsakes: in Hades 1, they invcreased the chance of getting a rarer boon. Here, you can outright boost the rarity of a boon you wanna pick.

[civic ocean]

Like I guess you could go Demeter Hera on like Mel Torches, get Coarse Grit by mid Oceanus and then turn on Eris' keepsake for damage?

[jovial cove]

crystal figurine is a great starter keepsake. I rolled into judgment twice tonight and had all 25 cards by the end of the run

[spare kite]

That's gonna end up as like 20-25% boost?

[ionic moon]

the value of the god keepsakes is choosing your god, the rarity is whatever especially in H2 if you're going vow of arrogance

[zenith bolt]

coarse grit by mid-oceanus? that's a high roll or like good chaos/narcissus rng

[ionic moon]

i do like the deterministic approach to the rarifying though

[civic ocean]

I mean you get it by then, you turn it on by the time Eris ticks up

[zenith bolt]

ah

[civic ocean]

Like how many encounters is from Oceanus to Chronos

like 40?

[jovial cove]

I'd say less than half that

[zenith bolt]

mourning fields is 10ish, tartarus is at most 10

[jovial cove]

depends on how long you linger in tartarus too

[plain fossil]

40 rooms is a whole run right we went through this yesterday

[jovial cove]

oceanus is less than 8. I know this because embryo doesn't change from the start to the end

[civic ocean]

So like...28%

[zenith bolt]

well mourning fields has multiple encounters in a location

[civic ocean]

Fields only has like 5 locations tho

[zenith bolt]

so its not exactly as clear-cut as simply counting room number

but generally its like 2, 2, echo or miniboss, 3, cerb or smth

[civic ocean]

Anyways all of that for like 35% additive multiplier while ALSO taking 35% more is uhh yeah I see why Eris gave us that

[zenith bolt]

it should be multiplicative damage

[gloomy belfry]

Just ramp it up so it's 100% extra for Chronos. 999 times 2 makes no difference to me

[bleak night]

Needs more keepsakes that ramp up

[civic ocean]

multiplicative would be cooking

[zenith bolt]

1.3x damage mult both ways would actually be good

without like dumpstering antler or anything

[gloomy belfry]

yeah, the Hermes one in H1 was funny

[bleak night]

I prefer the butterfly one

[zenith bolt]

butterfly requires me to be good at the game, 1984

[gloomy belfry]

Like Apollo's deal xx% extra until you get hit. My man, i'm ALWAYS getting hit

[spare kite]

Butterfly is so sad cuz the best aspects for it just use the bonus as a rare chaos boon

[glossy rivet]

bro am i softlocked if nem gives me a DD while im fully stocked with DD?

[zenith bolt]

no

the room opens up regardless if you can actually take nem's gifts or not

[gloomy belfry]

i did put in feedback that that's a really bad design choice. Being punished for having gotten gud

[tired fulcrum]

No you just cry and go to the next room

[glossy rivet]

oh my god i have HAHA YES too

cant even test out if poseidon would YESSS HAHAAAA a DD drop lmao

[bleak night]

I kinda wish the dd she gave you wasn't a refresh

Like, it's in its own category like the Chaos and Hermes ones

[jovial cove]

Poseidon every time double up proccs https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/170/001/c44.png

[tame vector]

Thoughts on Beach Ball?

[gray knot]

The skulls?

[uncut ginkgo]

felt like it was super low damage

for how hard it was to aim

[gray knot]

Is it the torches or the skulls

[uncut ginkgo]

Beach ball? It's the apollo/waterdaddy duo

[gray knot]

oh

That thing should not be doing 140 damage considering how hard it is to aim

[sour cape]

Yea that duos alrite but its not your main dmg thas for sure

[ionic lily]

I have never managed to get it to contribute anything more than breaking gold vases for me

[plain fossil]

Not worth clicking imo

Maybe if ur korean and can perfectly spam short sprints with correct aim

[tame vector]

Needs a buff then

[plain fossil]

Duos need a balance pass in general the difference between good and bad duo boons is rly wild

Like yea sure beach ball is bad but have u seen +1 heirloom level lmao

[civic ocean]

+1 keepsake level actually seems like kinda goodge idk like certain builds definitely want that on Droplet

[tired fulcrum]

Idk +1 just isnt noticeable

[civic ocean]

Hera + Demeter in particular can struggle to output dmg too so getting +1 onto blackened fleece seems good

[jovial cove]

does it overmax like the aspect buff

[tired fulcrum]

Aint that like +10% additive damage

[plain fossil]

And on the flip side u got like glorious disaster, soft caress, phoenix skin etc that are super strong

[plain fossil]

Yes but the level 4 keepsakes are currently uh

[civic ocean]

I also don't think any of Hera + Demeter + Heph's duos should be that good because they have cracked infusions and are all baseline really strong

like Spiteful could honestly be nerfed

[plain fossil]

I dont disagree but i also think that duo is an actual brick

Like weak is one thing but unplayable is another

[civic ocean]

IDK is it that bad of a pickup of I want like Droplet for Spin charge speed vs Chronos

like if I already have the Origination procs, born gain, the defensive boons, and weed killer

[ionic lily]

Actually what happens if you have less than 100hp and pick up Phoenix Skin?

[wise nest]

I love how much easier arrogance makes supercharging a build 🙏

[wise nest]

1 hp probably

[ionic lily]

Would be pretty funny if it caused instant death

[civic ocean]

Refunds the game and you have to wait for release sadly

[plain fossil]

Its like 1.35/1.3 = like 4% speed is that rly worth a boon even in the best case

I dont think so

[civic ocean]

It makes droplet last longer which is the big thing

Like I think there's other stuff you'd rather take from those two but I kinda want a Hera + Demeter duo boon to be about as close to unpickable and niche as possible

[plain fossil]

Currently it might as well not exist imo ive got no problem with it being narrow or whatever i just cannot imagine clicking it ngl

[civic ocean]

I think you probably get it like end of fields after you already have what you want from both gods and you're like screw it why not

Maybe there's some insane interaction we haven't thought of or smth idk

[plain fossil]

Well in the game im currently playing with my current understanding of it, its trashcan

[civic ocean]

Or a keepsake coming out that goes wild with it

Ye it definitely is like bottom 3 duos

[plain fossil]

I will concede that in some other future game where theres good interactions with it, it might not be trashcan

But u could say the same about moros torches lulul

[tired fulcrum]

Its good for antler

[civic ocean]

what does it put antler at

[tired fulcrum]

50%

[civic ocean]

oh yeah that is actually pretty pog

and you would probably run triple earth on antler

[tame vector]

Triple earth?

[civic ocean]

Hera Demeter Hephastus

[tame vector]

Oooh right

There have to be more gods to be added, elements are discompensated and underexplored

[plain fossil]

That sounds alright actually

[tame vector]

I like long words

[civic ocean]

I think elements stuff all makes like game design sense to me so far

[tame vector]

I love them

But aether could use more presence

[civic ocean]

Don't think anything is like super missing, there aren't any good water infusions really but that's because all the water stuff is like giga strong

[plain fossil]

I like 100 hp ngl its rly easy to turn on

[tame vector]

We are missing a fire-water god, probably Dio

[plain fossil]

Its like heartheartheartheart

[tame vector]

And technically an air-earth too

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's not like run defining or anything but it's pretty good and easy to get

[plain fossil]

Thats pretty decent right, heartheart isnt good but its at least vaguely clickable

Therefore heartheartheartheart must be pretty good

[civic ocean]

I think if you go water trio and get hearty appetite it can pop off for sure

[ionic lily]

Would be nice if water & air got scaling infusions too

[jovial cove]

who has water? Poseidon, Demeter and uhhhhhhh

[civic ocean]

Aph

There's a max hp build there where you get life aff, double up and plent forage

[bleak night]

: , , , (just one)
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I should probs just use the icons

[jovial cove]

right love is water and air apparently

[civic ocean]

they form a wheel

the 8 main gods do

[plain fossil]

Icarus should have infusions if artemis does, fite me

[bleak night]

Artemis has an infusion?

[plain fossil]

She has elements yea

[bleak night]

o nvm you probs mean elemental essence on the boons. yeah

[civic ocean]

Icarus' stuff is all hammerlike so idt it makes sense

[plain fossil]

Well they work mechanically very similar so

Idk about any of this lore stuff

[jovial cove]

okay so if they do add athena/ares how would they shove them in there

[civic ocean]

I don't think we're getting more core gods but idk

[plain fossil]

I could do with one or two more

That or more boons on existing gods so the boon deleter vow is less op

[bleak night]

so Charon has new tech now apparently

[civic ocean]

not again

[split igloo]

I hope athena/ares/dio pops up after a full run to the surface like demeter in h1

[bleak night]

yeah, it's more consistent than Dashing to do Retreating Shield Blast

[civic ocean]

what is it

[bleak night]

hold shield, press cast while shielding, you're able to do a bit of movement backward

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243086799220379708/Shld_-_Cast_-_Move.mp4?ex=6650324c&is=664ee0cc&hm=c57902e4bf9e2a4cb69966c1c3d5f4ba7c0b4cb7b45d68b29d7e38d625e072ad& ignore the last one

[tame vector]

I guess Aphrodite is water and air because she was born from Sea Foam

[civic ocean]

so this is good for like earlygame or when stuff is jumping you and you need space - but it can't be done when you've already got a cast out right

[jovial cove]

okay that makes sense

[tame vector]

Beautiful thanks

[bleak night]

I think this'd be good to rely on if you have the hammer for 50% omega special charge time reduc

compared to how the timing seems to be frame-perfect on Dash-based retreating shield blasts

[oak zephyr]

Does anyone have some basic guidelines for runs in hades 2?

[civic ocean]

there are builds here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml

General guidelines though are play slow, don't get hit, take your time, use your casts to kite, don't just run in and try to twitch dodge everything like H1

[bleak night]

I need to just

make an emote/gif of Mel spinning with the Axe at this point

[oak zephyr]

I yep I definitely have been running in like Zag so far

[civic ocean]

yeah that's not gonna work, since there's only one dash and unless you have swift runner on, the dash has a delay

[oak zephyr]

It feels like the game wants you further away when even with Zag my instinct was to get up in everybody's grill

[tired fulcrum]

It seems easier if you double tap attack

[bleak night]

oh, I should try that

[bleak night]

...now I'm getting it 100% of the time after 10 tries

[tired fulcrum]

Lol

[bleak night]

well, thank you

[bleak night]

found the shield omega cast time reduc thing and I'm having a hard time still getting it down, I suppose the frame timings are just a lot harder on it ?

[oak zephyr]

Also knowing this maybe I should go back to hades 1 when I want some mindless spamming

Thats good to know

[tired fulcrum]

Idk for me it was just not dashing before the special fully channeled, easier if you cast earlier rather than later

[plain fossil]

Well u dont have athena dash in this game so its probably less mindless by definition lul

[bleak night]

oh I mean charge time reduc, sorry. From the Sudden Cleaver hammer. No Cast

[tired fulcrum]

Oh yeah sudden cleaver makes it a lot harder

Sudden cleaver seems like a lie and makes both the channeling and the whole animation shorter

[keen moon]

Anyone got advice for avoiding Chronos attacks? Every fight with him I just get hit so much. I’ve played Hades and beat the game in 19 runs so I figured I wouldn’t have too much trouble with this game, I’m on night 44 and still haven’t beaten it. I find my biggest issue is dodging attacks cause it’s ingrained that I have multiple dashes like the first game. But I don’t. So any advice on predicting his attacks and avoiding them?

[bleak night]

A good tip is to just get behind the guy because his turnrates aren't instant in most cases

for phase 2, it's more about minding your spacing and ensuring the add-on enemies and the time-freeze fields don't get you rather than Chronos himself

[novel maple]

Below 50% he will attack up to 3 times in a tow

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah like his wide scythe swings you can even just walk behind him

[bleak night]

You can play pretty patiently against the guy, especially if you're not used to fighting him and the adds make him annoying to fight

[civic ocean]

The hardest part is learning not to just dash every time you see him about to do something. Saving your dash for when you actually need it is key against Chronos

[keen moon]

Noted. I read online that the best options are be behind him or far away. I’m a ranged kinda guy so I’ve been trying that, but I switch to trying behind him more

[plain fossil]

1. Keep your cast up on him; his dash strikes are way easier to avoid if u do

2. Stand right in front of him as much as u can and move behind when he does anything

[bleak night]

I find that staying far away from him just invites him to do something without you seeing it

[novel maple]

Haelian had a video on chronos if you prefer yt guides

[keen moon]

Yeah that’s a bad habit I have, I’m so used to Hades with multiple dashes

[tired fulcrum]

When he does the vacuum attack run behind him or dash through him and walk back and forth a little and he cant really turn to you. (Except when you phase him and he bugs out )

[plain fossil]

Well u can totally offscreen him if ur build lets u thats pretty safe

Standing at like 80% of a screen ur gonna get frisbeed

[tired fulcrum]

Can confirm. Chronos offscreen for 80% of the fight on my first win

[bleak night]

person asking hasn't beaten Chronos yet, so probs best stick to tips that'll let them clear once. Experimentation can probs come after

[keen moon]

I hate when he throws that thing, been hit way to much by that

[plain fossil]

Ye i mean if ur some scorch build or something the safest place to be is offscreen

[bleak night]

Oh right. I keep forgetting Scorch is kinda viable in terms of that

[keen moon]

I aim for a scorch build if possible. Huge fan of scorch

[plain fossil]

He shrugs his shoulders before throwing the frisbee, u will get used to the telegraph eventually

[oak zephyr]

Scorch is what I got my first anda only win with

[plain fossil]

Probably the stone easiest way to beat chronos with 0 mechanics understanding is scorch cast + the hades boon u can get in tartarus that gives u hades skull casts from hades 1

[strange oasis]

There is a sweet spot in front of him for the frisbee that lets you save dash too but the spacing is tricky

[keen moon]

I appreciate all the advice. It’s really frustrating the number of times I’ve lost to him. Being a veteran Hades player who’s beaten the first game a ton of times, it’s killing me and my pride the fact I’m struggling to beat him

[plain fossil]

U just chuck skull at him, wait 3 seconds offscreen, chuck skull at him, wait 3 seconds offscreen, repeat until phase 2

[keen moon]

I can get to phase two but usually by the time I get there I’ve used most of my death defiances. So I don’t make it even close for bed thing him in phase two

[tired fulcrum]

Turning off swift runner makes it 2 times easier ig

[bleak night]

wait, it does ?

[plain fossil]

U will get used to it dw

[strange oasis]

You could try a cast build using zeus+apollo+ dem/hestia

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah since the start up make the special come out a bit slower

[plain fossil]

Keep a cast up on him in phase 1 at all times if u can, it makes his dash strikes 10 times easier to avoid

[keen moon]

Yeah, I’ve seen how much Apollos cast boons can do. Especially where it deals damage in that area after the cast ends. Crazy damage

[strange oasis]

Dem cyclone helps a ton for first kills at least imo

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh its still kinda hard to time

[strange oasis]

It slows him enough to get used to the animations without needing to panic dash

[keen moon]

Dude his dash is so annoying. So many runs ended cause of a dash I wasn’t ready for. Or I got caught in a sequence of attacks and took loads of damage. Burned up two death defiances back to back like that, nearly made myself a custom controller holder in my wall

[plain fossil]

if u have a cast up he dashes like 3 inches

[tired fulcrum]

At <50% hp he will usually dash 3 times in a row

[sturdy river]

Does Concave Stone work on hammers too? or is it only boons?

[oak zephyr]

I have legit been considering getting an accesible controller

[tired fulcrum]

He can also dash after 2 wide swipes sometimes

[oak zephyr]

Game is awesome but hard

[plain fossil]

hey does huntress card turn on when u have mana primed

[keen moon]

I personally like controller, but I have a bias given I only have two fingers on my right hand. So I need the buttons close by

So part of my issue is getting inputs in fast enough but that’s something no amount of skill or advice will fix 😂

[oak zephyr]

I have Cerebral Palsy so reacting fast is hard with my bad side which is my right side, Ive been thinking about trying mouse and keyboard because I have a numpad on my mouse

[oak zephyr]

Big same!!! Theres a level of this is what we've got and its not gonna change thats hard to deal with especially in like a thing you do for fun right???

[keen moon]

I’m so glad to meet someone else who understands my woes when it comes to gaming and games that use keyboard and mouse

[spice ibex]

I beat chronos

[plain fossil]

why does this first boon onion have a crescent moon shape on it, i didnt even click onion vow

[keen moon]

I would give that a shot. I have found some games easier with the keyboard and mouse. It requires some button remapping for me but ends up bringing easier

[oak zephyr]

Yeah I think I need to stop trying to brute force things and take some time to experiment and remap things to see if it works better

[keen moon]

#h2-victory-boasting

[bleak night]

Nice

[keen moon]

Definitely! For me because of the way combat works, I find controller easier because you have you to alternate between attack, special, and cast. So having the buttons all close by is nice

[oak zephyr]

Yeah, Im worried about having to move with my right hand because it'll be slower than doing it with my left but maybe having finer control over the attacks and when I dash or sprint is more important

[bleak night]

what's your control scheme rn ?

I'm not going to recommend mine, because it's kind of brain-damaged

[oak zephyr]

Ive basically left it as is at the moment besides remapping interact to left trigger

[bleak night]

Ah, I see

[oak zephyr]

Yeah its a stupid choice but remapping is overwhelming because then I have to figure out what works and how the heck do I do that

[bleak night]

Since you're early on, might I interest you in remapping dash to a shoulder button ?

[lament kestrel]

yeah but if u have a numpad u can have everything on your mouse except movement

[bleak night]

I'm playing with a Left Joycon + Mouse with buttons on the side

[oak zephyr]

So I think I cant really remap anything to my right shoulder buttons because I cannot keep my fingers on them and use xyab

But that still leaves the left two

[lament kestrel]

ah nice
ive seen people do that before bc u can aim behind u

[oak zephyr]

And maybe interact can be on the right because I only need to do that when nothing is happening and so my hand isnt so tense

[bleak night]

left trigger for dash? You can probably easily reconfigure your brain for out-of-combat buttons like interacting

[oak zephyr]

Thanks for thinking with me!

[bleak night]

so focus on in-combat stuff first, then decide where you want to put the rest of the non-combat buttons

[bleak night]

I just like the 360 degree control stick movement + the aiming of the mouse together

I do still play with a full controller sometimes when I'm doing for-fun runs or my Joycon is charging

[oak zephyr]

I suck with the flames because I have to aim the attack with the control stick so possibly doing a fun weird control scheme would actually help me

I will try left trigger for dash and report back 😄

[bleak night]

Give a hybrid control scheme a try

[oak zephyr]

Is this the place to talk about this stuff or is another channel more appropriate?

[bleak night]

combat channel, so should be fine

you're setting controls in order to play better

[ionic moon]

eos enjoyers, are you running huntress or death? or both?

[bleak night]

I think Cold plays Huntress

you can probs go without death if you run antler

[lament kestrel]

it seems nice but i cba using both, just controller is nice and comfy

[bleak night]

I swap back to just a Switch Pro Controller whenever I just want to relax, so I get it

[small wyvern]

kbm and controller at once is something i cant really imagine so i really respect whoever plays like that

[oak zephyr]

When razer started making the lefthanded razer naga again I bought three one to replace the one that had just died and 2 for insurance

Sometimes alternate arrangement in control schemes is literally what allows people to play/enjoy the game

[unborn pollen]

I love aspect of pan it’s my fa. Wepaon and Irs super effective agianst bosses but idk how to manage groups especially on higher fear, I had. Run at 25 fear today where I died like 12 times but still won 😭

[tired fulcrum]

@bleak nighthttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1243104317834133625/Hades_II_2024-05-23_00-28-45_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6650429d&is=664ef11d&hm=117d606260dfea2f857f6a89dfe1a18dab7269d6d57076e8fc20d67557967f69& this is kinda hard

[bleak night]

oooh, how are you able to have the hammer and some extra mana in the practice room ?

[tired fulcrum]

uh pony menu mod

[bleak night]

thanks, worth a shot for training

[oak zephyr]

Lol now Im going 'WAIT WHAT DID I MAP THAT TO' every time I am trying to do something lol

[small wyvern]

i remapped hex to MMB and boon menu to tab but thats all

i find everything else fine

[bleak night]

best get used to it

Something you can do when playing controller is to not care about the out of combat options, then swap to your mouse and keyboard whenever you wanna interact or salute or w/e

[spice ibex]

Thanks !

[oak zephyr]

Yeah, and this will be worth it for finding something that does work

[bleak night]

I'm sometimes cancelling my shield blast with a dash attack, which I find weird

I think that's just me dashing before the actual shield blast animation slam starts

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah if you dash too early the channel symbol turns red and you just dash strike

[bleak night]

It's good to practice

tech specifically for Charon is neat

[bleak night]

are you running Swift Runner on this one btw ?

[tired fulcrum]

No

idk if it actually makes a difference

[bleak night]

I can give it a test in a bit

[oak zephyr]

Well ok somehow this is going smoother than it has before thats a good sign

Oh my god game this is when you give me a legendary boon??? OK I guess

LOL I misclicked too and missed it

Hermes deathdefiance would have been real useful but such is life

[vital jackal]

What's the best weapon to burn mana?

[tired fulcrum]

Torch omega attack with weed killer and/or apollo legendary

[broken ingot]

I don't suppose anyone's yet to make any sort of build maker app?

[vital jackal]

Other than that? 'Cause I already have my 3 gods I want in the build (aphro, hera, apollo) and I already want to try to get the aphro legendary.

I want to try a meme build where I have the charm hex, the apollo hera duo and the aphro legendary

[tired fulcrum]

Mel torch omega special spam then

[vital jackal]

Thanks

[plucky rain]

Whose Boons pair well with the Knives? I've heard Posiedon works well, if a bit unintentionally too well.

[rugged steppe]

poseidon special on pan's aspect is hot these days apparently. I also lice demeter on the attack for the aspect of artemis. Stagerring while critting is so satisfying

like*

[sudden belfry]

like 54 hours into the game and i still havent beat eris, she just killed me again

[forest veldt]

have u tried using hestia sprint?

[sudden belfry]

yup

[forest veldt]

momus?

[sudden belfry]

against her? not entirely sure
i can give it a go for my next surface run

[forest veldt]

helps to have a strong build, hestia still works, can grab her cast and cast throw to make easier to get 2nd curse on eris during phases. should be able to almost insta phase her

[tame vector]

What rerolling arcanas do you prefer taking, if any?

[forest veldt]

all 3 for underworld, only the 2 reroll ones for surface (no gold)

[delicate mist]

https://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/2eMRC3lz_wSL01/d13375KCjLz6?invite=cr-MSxNdWQsMjIzODg5NjU1LA uhm what have i done

[tame vector]

Artificer?

[forest veldt]

ah mb, nah just the 3 corner ones

[tame vector]

Fates Boatman champions then

[forest veldt]

not sure on names but prob

[ember frigate]

For lim and oros better to use omega attack build or omega special build(when you beaten chronos before)?

[sudden belfry]

also theres a glowing icon above where my dds are, like a star, anybody know what that is?

[forest veldt]

depends on weapon but some have charge mechanics which use that bar/space

[tame vector]

Cooldown for Parry

Or serenity

[sudden belfry]

ohhh gotcha

[oak zephyr]

Ok uhm I got to chronos with the new remapped controls but also without deathdefiances

I guess Im about to die

[vital jackal]

You could also try the demeter infusion

If you only ever take a max of 15 damage, she can buff her damage as much as she wants

[slate pecan]

is there a requirement for the barren curse from Chaos? lol just got it for the first time

[sudden belfry]

finally beat eris for the first time thank christ

[scenic roost]

Ranged builds usually work on her. I always beat her with hit-and-run using zeus/apollo omega cast, then hiding behind the pillar 😂

[broken ingot]

I almost had the perfect cast build but I didn't get the Zeus ranged cast T-T

not having the range really leaves you open to screw ups

[bleak night]

Lightning Lance is so good, yeah

[broken ingot]

https://imgur.com/a/wJzVyk9

had basically everything else you could ask for

[calm ibex]

guys how do i survive at the surface

[broken ingot]

not really the channel for that

[calm ibex]

yeah ik, idk where to ask else tho

[bleak night]

You'll need an incantation for it, has Moros not given it to you yet ?

The recipe for it, I mean

[calm ibex]

uh whats the name of it ?

fateful bond thing?

[bleak night]

I think so, needs Thalamus iirc

[calm ibex]

oh ye oops i didnt reed description, ty

[broken ingot]

the general h2 discussion would be the better spot for future reference

[calm ibex]

i see thank you

[calm ibex]

guys wtf is this omega special from skull damnnnn

especially with twisting crash

[bleak night]

Some of the Skull hammers are amazing, my brain went into overdrive when I got Full Salvo the first time. I kinda wish it was more consistent in giving you what you want

[calm ibex]

i deal so much dmg with twisting crash hammer + aphrodite special

unfortunately i forgot to rarify the boon lmao

[spice ibex]

What are your most successful builds

[slate pecan]

Momuseidon, Panseidon, Charollo (Charon Apollo)

[plain fossil]

Blablabla momus poseidon blablablablabla

[oak zephyr]

Is there a reason the game is mad about me rebinding keys and how do I fix it?

[merry flint]

good Eos build primers?

[oak zephyr]

I cant tab through shops now

[slate pecan]

ah and pink aura

[spark warren]

whats the build for this looks interesting

[delicate mist]

aspect of pan, hook knives, spiral knives, hitch, and scorch which i found later after cerberus

[spark warren]

oh so thats how you got those backstabs, neat

needing two good hammer rolls sounds painful but still this kicks butt

[gray knot]

What's the requirement for Poseidon Zeus duo boon

[celest swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1139177187149357087/1243154825890369536/Screenshot_20240523_065227_Firefox.jpg?ex=665071a7&is=664f2027&hm=ffde09bb31215c78037edc333fd81f568bcb4453126d857a81402825beafed37&

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[gray knot]

thanks

[calm ibex]

i love skull so hard i defeated chronos for first time with my first time using it lmao

still no aspects but np
needed 15 runs for chronos, defo less than i needed in hades 1 for hades lmao

[terse horizon]

Does someone have a good guide with all basic informations for Hades 2 by any chance?

[acoustic remnant]

I just made it to sirens

[zenith zodiac]

A question: there are two new 'quests' that appear under the testaments where the oaths of the unseen show. Are they related to the covered ||statues that Schelemeus|| brought out? It says 8 fear completing the underworld and olympus runs, is it something I get for doing those runs with 8 fear? Because when I marked 8 fear they didn't appear as highlighted or anything, so I was unsure if there would be a point. Can the condition for the olympus run be fulfilled currently?

[bleak night]

Olympus one can be cleared as is even if it's unfinished, yeah.

Doesn't need to be highlighted, unlike the testaments

[zenith zodiac]

Might be a good UI thing for the devs to change, to make it clear you're working towards a goal there! Thanks!

[delicate mist]

i know, my jaw literally dropped as soon as i saw the second one i needed

[lament kestrel]

charon axe is so fire

50% faster special hammer and you've won

[bleak night]

You trying the retreating shield blast tech ?

[lament kestrel]

nah whats that

[slate pecan]

oh boy

[bleak night]

Unananas has videos on it, but you know how you can dash before letting the Shield Blast (Omega Special) rip ?

And you can't redirect it, so you have to shoot it the direction you dashed ?

You can actually redirect that

#h2-builds-and-combat message

Timing gets blurry when you run the 50% faster Special charge hammer, but still doable

Not particularly a Charon player, but I've been practicing it a fair bit

[slate pecan]

it's awesome, would recommend

[steep heron]

any tips for aspect of Medea? I'm having a bit of a hard time with the last skull testament

[bleak night]

Medea may not be the easiest to do it with on higher fears since the playstyle is generally quite risky

I'd recommend running Persephone and ignoring Glory as a mechanic, but put damage into your Omega Special through Aphro while running Hera or Dem attack for either Hitch or Freezing

[steep heron]

yeah, the iframes of the omega special seem to be important

[plain fossil]

i gotta say asphodel with skulls is an intensely unpleasant experience

[steep heron]

i kinda liked medea because it feels a bit like beowulf

[lament kestrel]

ooh very cool

does seem a pain to learn though
i might later down the line

[bleak night]

Exactly how a lot of people feel about it, yeah. Sadly no invulnerability, so you have to time your specials well

[bleak night]

It's not too bad until you get the hammer, but yeah

[tall notch]

I just can't bring myself not to tank every hit with Medea lol

[celest swallow]

Yeah it's definitely much trickier than beowulf but I almost like it for that in spite of itself also enjoy that medea works well focused more on regular attack and special and can go silly with priming and low/no magick and mostly still be fun (just yknow, avoid sea serpent 🙃 )

[tall notch]

I'm a ranged player and like safe playstyles, this weapon is the opposite of that

[celest swallow]

Not that the serpent's hard but gosh it gets tedious lol

[gray knot]

Slippery Slope Special spam Descura my beloved

[merry flint]

hello can you shill Eos for a bit i need to clear its testaments

[bleak night]

You when
Playing Melee:
Playing Ranged:

[bleak night]

Watch the 40 Fear vids imo, the playstyle is easier to understand with a visual aid

[gray knot]

I like the shotgun Sister Blades playstyle though

Very fun to pull off

[bleak night]

I need to play more Blades

[tall notch]

Hold down attack, zoom around with dash, have peak fun

[bleak night]

My second least used weapon

[gray knot]

Is the least used the Torches

[celest swallow]

Pan aspect do be very enjoyable

[bleak night]

Yep

[tall notch]

Eos has top-tier mobility, good aoe and amazing single target burst. Play Eos

[bleak night]

I still haven't done 40 Fear on them, they make my brain hurt

[slate pecan]

wait you've done 40 on all other weapons? respect

[bleak night]

Planning to do them on the aspects as well but I'm just really bad at some of the weapons if I have no cheese

[celest swallow]

Pan aspect when you don't get any good special hammers offered tho...

[gray knot]

[mint iron]

What's the maximum heat in Hades 2

[bleak night]

55 for now, I can see them adding more

[mint iron]

*fear
Meh same thing

[bleak night]

It's missing Emergency Measures

[mint iron]

64 fear gonna go crazy

[mint iron]

Watch them make the boss fights even more unplayable

[bleak night]

Probs 65 unless thet remove 1 Fear off of a node or smth

[mint iron]

Jesus Christ

[bleak night]

Boss fights aren't unplayable atm though? Unless you mean in 55 in which case yeah

[mint iron]

Yeah max heat/fear sounds insane

[bleak night]

55 rn is close to impossible because lots of options are them draining options off of you rather than most of it boosting enemies

Manaless builds are better as a result

[mint iron]

I haven't actually played the game yet but I'm hoping to get it soon
All gameplay I've seen so far shows the higher fears being pretty darn difficult

[bleak night]

You'll find it enjoyable, even if it's not done yet

[slate pecan]

i feel like 32 was easier in hades 2 than in hades

[bleak night]

My main weapon is buggy with the best hammer boon on it, for example

[mint iron]

Man
Hades 1 was so peak
2 seems even better

[slate pecan]

but then again i haven't played hades in EA

[tall notch]

32 here would be easier if we had free fear from extreme measures

[celest swallow]

Even unfinished it's already got more content than full release 1, it definitely needs polish and has much more story and content coming but yeah, entirely worth it from day 1

[bleak night]

That'd be free 6 Fear off of EM, I never really believe Hades phase 3 was free Heat

[gray knot]

Sounds like Momos Poseidon is still busted

[bleak night]

I wonder how they'll balance that

[merry flint]

EM4 def not free

[gray knot]

Atm it's only good with Poseidon idk

[bleak night]

If they will, anyway

[tall notch]

Yeah Hades EM wasn't free but the others were once you learned the fights

[gray knot]

I struggle to build it with anything else other than Poseidon

[bleak night]

That's true, yeah. I think EM 1 and 2 were essentially free off the gate, but EM 3 made me struggle a bit earlier on because of the Asterius Beyblade being massive

[merry flint]

momus would cook with anything if it has double moonshot

[gray knot]

[tall notch]

In this game it was around 32 fear that I started running into "uh i hate all these pacts what do i pick" issues, as opposed to 40 heat in hades 1

[bleak night]

Yeah we need that free 6 from EM3

[gray knot]

My first Chronos clear was with double specials and bouncing

[merry flint]

what would it even be called in this game

[bleak night]

Vow of Adversity

or simple stuff like Vow of Challenge

[tall notch]

Am I the only person who first cleared with Circe staff? 😭

[spare kite]

MM will also be extra 2 fear

[merry flint]

I did it with un-upgraded mel axe

[bleak night]

Are we sure they'll even add MM ?

[oak zephyr]

Man I had that from the start with heat XD

[spare kite]

I hope so

[bleak night]

My first run clear was with Mel Sister Blades

[slate pecan]

i really liked Mel staff at first but i think my first clear was with Mell skull, lemme check

[tall notch]

MM in this game will be less free because no Meg

[merry flint]

so far

[spare kite]

Same but got Heph's legendary so the clear says rank II

[merry flint]

kek

[slate pecan]

nope, it was mel sister blades

[tall notch]

I still like Mel staff, genuinely thinking it will become part of the meta if Momus is nerfed hard enough

Omega spam builds are powerful, they're just not Momus-level powerful so people aren't experimenting with it

[slate pecan]

i like how Sorceress doesn't slow down your omega specials spinning so in a way you're doing more dps when channeling them near the enemies. makes for relatively easy clears despite no stagger... except for Chronos fight

[cloud scarab]

is the number of hammers completely random? Or is there a way (keepsake or otherwise) to increase chances of hammers?

[spice ibex]

Guys

[slate pecan]

talking about torches. kind of makes me start to hate Mel aspect that i so enjoyed... maybe will turn to Eos

[spice ibex]

I have problem making builds

[bleak night]

2 max naturally. If you pick the hammer last in Fields and your next room is Echo, she can make you a 3rd one. 4th from a keepsake (random), and 5th from the Anvil Charon sells before Chronos

[tall notch]

Mel torches really should get stagger on special. I experimented with putting demeter on and concluded it wouldn't even be OP

[spice ibex]

Does blitz work better with faster hits

[slate pecan]

i feel like it would be fun if there was a stagger every X amount of damage dealt (somewhat high)

[bleak night]

What weapon are you wanting build advice for ?

[cloud scarab]

random hammer seems dangerous... sometimes they are very build defining and if you choose that keepsake last (after cerberus) seems like quite the gamble

[tall notch]

Like omega special could straight up stagger on every hit and it wouldn't be op

[bleak night]

That's true, yeah. Best stick to the 3 hammers and leave off the Experimental one and the Anvil if you can help it

[tall notch]

Oh yeah you can stunlock enemies in melee range, how op to be able to do what every melee weapon is capable of if you spend mana /s

[spice ibex]

I want to make good builds other than aphrodite channel special knives , spin to win axe , and spam special water staff

[slate pecan]

i believe blitz doesn't stack, if that's what you're asking about. Scorch does, but it doesn't deal damage faster (unless you have Fire Extinguisher)

[tall notch]

It depends on weapon. If there are no hammers that can brick your build it's a safe pickup before fields

[bleak night]

Oh, I see. Then I get it. Experiment away. Blitz is usually better off on a different button as your fast hits, that way you can apply it and then trigger it with something else

[lunar light]

Does anyone actually use sprint? I find it takes too long to pull off and slows down the pace of the game so I never use it.

[spice ibex]

wdym , didn't understand the blitz part

[bleak night]

Put it on a secondary damage source, then use your main damaging button to pop it for damage

[cloud scarab]

poseidon sprint can be pretty good for smaller enemies or even for cerberus to get behind him for backstab dmg

[bleak night]

I find it useful, personally, but that's because I just don't play it like I'm using Zagreus so I can distance myself from dash spam mentally

[spice ibex]

how , I should put zeus on both then ?

[celest swallow]

sprint? yes, quite a lot, and there's several fight mechanics where it's very much intended and makes things easier

[tall notch]

I think for blitz I like having it more on my main button and just ensuring I can pop it on cd with something like my cast, passion dash or extra scaling for that button from something like chaos

[slate pecan]

imo the pink aura build deals damage fast enough to compensate for lack of stagger, for the most part. I got my first 100/100 trove with it. Only when you're lacking a little damage and/or enemy is beefy enough not to die instantly, the lack of stagger can become a problem

[bleak night]

Zeus on one and a different god on the other, depends on you, try stuff and see if it works

[celest swallow]

also helps that most of the better dash/sprint boons work on sprint instead of dash

[bleak night]

Probs better on something with a lot of options and movement, but I can see the playstyle

[tall notch]

Like with passion dash Eos, I can proc the blitz more or less on cd

And later build into the duo too

[slate pecan]

i tried heroic blitz on mel skulls attack today and the damage output was awful but i'm bad with skull

[novel maple]

is the sea serpent the hardest boss to beat for medea?

[lunar light]

Dash spam was my bread and butter in the first game haha

[bleak night]

Tbf Eos is kinda cracked with Passion Dash + Zeus Attack since you have little downtime between tossing out the lil ghosties and recalling them

[spice ibex]

I got it , btw do you have any build that works very well for you ?

[celest swallow]

it's certainly the most tedious

[lunar light]

Is it useful against the screamers?

[bleak night]

Took me a while to figure out that this game is very diff, my first 5 runs I was kinda frustrated

[tall notch]

Weapon agnostic boon stacking just keeps taking Ws

[bleak night]

What weap ?

[lunar light]

Yeah same. Still getting used to the changes

[celest swallow]

i guess you could use it to get away but you're supposed to just catch them with cast ideally

[carmine lagoon]

Does p-status (its equivalent) stack additively or multiplicatively? eg if i have 100 power and a +100% boon with +25% p-status, will I deal 225 or 250?

[tall notch]

Additively

[carmine lagoon]

awh

[lunar light]

Yeah I have been. Still find those enemies to be some of the hardest in the game. Even after reaching the third stage

[zenith bolt]

i think most % damage boosts are additive

[carmine lagoon]

so its better for hestia and other flag dmg bonuses?

[pastel elm]

its kinda just bonkers regardless imo

[tall notch]

It can also carry early game which is the hardest part of higher fears

[stable sable]

i realized something today

[pastel elm]

idk how exactly it affects hestia since shes a fixed dps? never tested lol

[stable sable]

torches can realistically only use hestia or poseidon on attacks

[zenith bolt]

what

[tall notch]

First elite with privileged status online and without it are two whole different fights

[glossy rivet]

i tried another hestia air quality run and zeus did not even offer air quality the entire run again

[spare kite]

Lol

[glossy rivet]

10 rerolls + artificer btw

[zenith bolt]

desire sensor is listening

[stable sable]

cuz their base atk is too low for the percent damage modifiers to be worth jack, it takes an eternity to trigger blitz with torches (i've tried several runs with it now)

and hephaestus in general is just kinda weird imo

[spare kite]

Is this base torches?

[celest swallow]

oh you're talking mel torch

[tall notch]

Did you just enter the channel? Because a moment ago we talked about how well torch uses blitz

[stable sable]

base or eos

[celest swallow]

definitely not for Eos or Moros, no

[spare kite]

What

[stable sable]

even with eos trying to trigger blitz is trange

[glossy rivet]

you damn well know zeus would show up to offer kings ransom as soon as i pick up born gain tho

[zenith bolt]

omega attack exists

[tall notch]

Passion dash

[pastel elm]

i just take dem cast on torches idc about the atks

[zenith bolt]

of course

[stable sable]

im not gonna aim for a duo boon just to make my attack worthwhile

[stable sable]

and takes an eternity to charge up

[tall notch]

@zenith bolt does that one Rick and Morty copy pasta actually apply to Eos?

[zenith bolt]

im just gonna follow rule 1 (never argue about torches in sgg server) bc i dont have it in me rn lol

[pastel elm]

biggest issue with the torches is your pepega walking animation. its like a running tpose

[tall notch]

Dem cast is actually really good for eos attack builds! I like it

[novel maple]

i do like zeus attack + hestia duo on eos. it's a lot of damage

[zenith bolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/362939825000677377/1240883879368196116/32_fear_torches_no_damage_chronos.mp4?ex=665017ab&is=664ec62b&hm=0a7b6a449d87d177d3c0944bf206c0cf4a80bbf9919baf79d6e0b3735650b87d& have a torch clip

[novel maple]

granted you need a lot of boons for it

[tall notch]

What does the duo do?

[novel maple]

whenever blitz triggers you apply scorch

[spice ibex]

Good umbral torch builds ? i prefer using specials

[tall notch]

Weapon agnostic boon stacking, doesn't count

[novel maple]

so you apply air quality scorch with blitz, which triggers blitz, which triggers scorch

[glossy rivet]

another torch weakness is popping goldern urns can be difficult

[tall notch]

AQ scorch doesn't need the duo to pump!

[novel maple]

ey! it's a zeus attack build not scorch 😠

[tall notch]

But it could be a scorch build

[novel maple]

it could be yes 🙃

[zenith bolt]

i have no access to my computer but im 🤏 this close to doing a fixed gain 32 on eos just to prove a point

[spice ibex]

Huh ?

[tall notch]

The other day I was trying to run Elsa torches but then the game gave me natural Zeus + natural Hestia and then Chaos + Narcissus gave me all the air to run air quality so it ultimately became an AQ build

[novel maple]

definitely doable. on my run i, as customary, primed away all my mana
and still crushed chronos

[zenith bolt]

and im not sure how "weapon agnostic boon stacking" is an issue, exactly

[tall notch]

I'm just memeing on it because I found the idea hilarious

[pastel elm]

i have really come around to the torches recently

[zenith bolt]

the damage boon gives damage to all weapons (im literally crying and pissing myself rn)

[tall notch]

Elsa torches are fun. Get Demeter special, freeze everything and kill it before it unfreezes

Also get blue dress from Arachne for roleplay purposes

[pastel elm]

only weapon i really feel uncomfy with is the skulls tho

[bleak night]

What's keepsake T? @oak zephyr was asking and I'm not at home atm

[tall notch]

This convo is what started the weapon agnostic boon stacking meme

[bleak night]

What does Agnostic High Boon Count mean

[pastel elm]

maybe its the hera heph duo lol thats what i assumed

[tall notch]

It basically means that you crutched on boons and the weapon isn't good just because your boon stack build carried it to high fear

[mental cedar]

Is someone using glyph boons ? I feel like they are kinda useless and never used (at least by myself) mostly omega glyphs

[bleak night]

tf lol

[tall notch]

Torch hater things 😔

[pastel elm]

what are glyph boons? the ones requiring the elemental things?

[celest swallow]

those are infusions, no?

[pastel elm]

the names are so confusing to me oops

[tall notch]

First time I hear the name glyph boons, am confused too

[celest swallow]

yeah same, never heard of glyph re: this game

[spare kite]

Hexes?

[celest swallow]

but if you do mean infusions (the ones triggered by having X number of an element), yes they're useful, some are really good in fact

oh yknow what do you mean cast

just noticed the omega in the original message lol

[mental cedar]

I mean casts boons

[celest swallow]

yes absolutely, there's a bunch of very good ones

[pastel elm]

ah yes i love dem cast avidly. its almost the only cast i take!

[tall notch]

OH! They are pretty good. If you wanna learn to use them more, bind it somewhere that's pressed by a different finger than your attack boon and experiment with using it more. You can use that cast in the middle of a lot of animations and combos

[bleak night]

@tall notch My friend just unlocked Torches, she might need tips on them. Anything you can give her? Just Base Mel Torches atm

[mental cedar]

Personally I only use cast spell to immobilize ennemies , I never use omega cast

[spare kite]

Early game is nice to nuke a group of mobs while I go do smth else in the room

[tall notch]

Mmmh base Mel torches miss a lot of what makes Eos good, so you might be better off preaching pink aura to her

[spare kite]

Groups of wailers/inf fish room

[tall notch]

But I guess you can give her the tech of being able to dash or cast in the middle of attack channel

[celest swallow]

dem, zeus, apollo, and hestia are kinda just amazing for both their main cast boons and their extra buffing boons that can go with any other cast boons. can still find uses for most of the others as well but those ones shine in particular

[mental cedar]

Is there any build base on cast damage?

[pastel elm]

some type of DOT cast lets you easily take the blue hearts vow, even on axe

[tall notch]

Zeus and Apollo cast can be built around

[bleak night]

PINK AURA

[pastel elm]

yes! just take dem cast, she has two cast boons! and i like hestia or zeus to throw it as well!

[tall notch]

PINK AURA

[celest swallow]

you can build around zeus/apollo cast for sure, Charon axe's main mechanic centers around triggering omega cast by way of normal cast -> omega special, and again any combo of dem/hestia/zeus/apollo cast boons are usually a good time

[bleak night]

You have a Chronos battle clip I can send her so she can see the gameplay ?

[novel maple]

so can poseidon :copium:

[tall notch]

I only have some Eos ones

[bleak night]

Good enough, pls send

[acoustic remnant]

I hate torches

[mental cedar]

During my runs, I prefer go for additional health / gold rather than picking a cast boon personally, I mean I think they are only optional

[bleak night]

Watch Cold's gameplay, it'll make your head hurt

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yclEyihw5aE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4IvsUusSBU https://youtu.be/5M91FJmPktw?si=Ux2lUzW61vNeIiMZ&t=1604 (last one is full run, I timestamped Chronos fight)

[bleak night]

Jfc okay nice catalogue

[acoustic remnant]

Those aren’t base torches tho to be fair

Base torch is literally the worst weapon ever made oml

[celest swallow]

cast boons are one of the most reliable and easy ways to trigger origination, plus like... if you're gonna be putting cast down for zoning and/or for triggering the % bonus dmg to targets in your cast, or using an aspect that relies on it being down, then why not take a boon for it

[bleak night]

True, but still. Do you... want base Torch gameplay? Because I can show you base Torch gameplay

[tall notch]

Base torch is made for special spam, Eos is the attack aspect

[acoustic remnant]

I need the Arachne armour + Hephaestus armour to do a torch run

[pastel elm]

i feel like no weapon is worse than circe stick. the forced mana regen is so bad

[celest swallow]

base torch is plenty of fun, even without pink aura (though pink aura is wonderful)

[acoustic remnant]

low accuracy ranged weapon

[bleak night]

Did someone say Pink Aura

[tall notch]

I'm just really not vibing with the idea of a no stagger melee weapon 😭

[acoustic remnant]

what’s pink aura

[celest swallow]

who said mel torch is a ranged weapon 🤣

[acoustic remnant]

isn’t torch range

well I guess u have the special

[celest swallow]

not for special-spam focused aspects, not really

[celest swallow]

which is 2/3 of the aspects

[acoustic remnant]

it feels rly weird as a weapon

[bleak night]

Did someone say PINK AURA!?

[spare kite]

Torch reminds me of rail actually
Supposed to be mid/long range, works great at close range and a dash gives it a lot of dps

[acoustic remnant]

WHAT IS IT

is it the aphro thing that inflicts weak

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=66500b0e&is=664eb98e&hm=4d180744fbfee150ac7aa23d838b428203d8910d9c1faf7f174345ef19c00db6&

[oak zephyr]

Oh I want it

[acoustic remnant]

iirc it was a hades 1 duo boon?

[oak zephyr]

That looks fantastic

[acoustic remnant]

oh what’s this

[tall notch]

PINK AURA

[spare kite]

Pink aura spotted

[bleak night]

Thank you for the large, pink balls, lady Aphrodite 🙏

[celest swallow]

apollo attack to build for legendary, aphro special, heartthrob with the apollo/aphro duo as the base of it iirc (for the pink aura build questions)

[bleak night]

I still wanna try going for the Demeter version because I had 4 going and it looked like I had a storm rotating around me

[celest swallow]

mmm yes be the cyclone

[acoustic remnant]

u just want extra balls

[bleak night]

6 balls

Also, some of the Torch Special orbs don't look like how I imagined them

[acoustic remnant]

is it a meme build or does it actually work

[bleak night]

Like, Poseidons are pink with a blue aura. I didn't expect it to look like that

[pastel elm]

what are your vows for 40f eos? im curious

[bleak night]

It takes too much rng to get it working reliably, so it's a meme build at the end of the day

[celest swallow]

i had a pretty successful run attempting to go for pink aura even without the duo dropping, it's good fun but yeah not like absolute optimal build

[tall notch]

I showed the vows at the end of that full run video

[pastel elm]

ok lemme check it out ty

[bleak night]

oddly enough, Pink Aura without Apollo is optimal for speedrunning. Someone posted a Mel Torch speedrun and it was just Aphro Special spam

[celest swallow]

yep that tracks, that's basically what mine ended up being just also with apollo legendary for extra omega special lol

[bleak night]

vid for your reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jDB4Z4qyjE&ab_channel=Croven

Hestia Cast and Aphro special spam

[tame vapor]

whats the best attack boon with artemis lim and oros?

[bleak night]

Aphro probs considering the nature of you spamming Omega Attack and always leaping behind your target

[novel maple]

probably aprho?

[oak zephyr]

Aw close but no sigar, started with 3 deathdefiances and didnt make it to the safe spots in time

[bleak night]

You'll learn as you go dw. You still need to know what keepsake T is? I'm home and can check

[oak zephyr]

Someone updated me I hadnt encountered the NPC yet 🙂

[bleak night]

ah, yeah. She's kinda elusive

[oak zephyr]

Thank you!

[pastel elm]

the SUPER greedy route is to go for hera heph duo and starting with hera gain. but ofc aph is pog

[bleak night]

Spiteful duo is great, but the run is definitely painful until you get it

[spare kite]

Croven gaming no way

[tall notch]

I am liking Apollo because it's one of the legendary prerequisites anyway and the legendary is great, but I haven't run high fear Arty so idk if it's optimal

[tame vapor]

are there any good duos when i rush aphro?

[pastel elm]

aph apollo comes to mind at first

[tame vapor]

thx ill try it out

[glossy rivet]

does the aphro-demter duo count max health or also current health?

[bleak night]

how does the Apollo Omega Attack on Blades work? Does it jump twice or does it jump once and do the attack twice ?

[bleak night]

I think it's current hp?

[glossy rivet]

tfw

[tall notch]

It just deals the damage twice iirc

[spice ibex]

Best argent skull build ? just unlocked it .

Also why didnt I unlock aspects

[turbid hull]

Well it says "Life"

[sour cape]

Apollo also has backstab dmg vs Daze

[tall notch]

You need to get to Hecate with each weapon iirc

[spare kite]

Prob talk with hecate now (mid run or at the camp after a run)