h2-builds-and-combat

[dawn cape]

Also a lot of cases where a "missed" pops up while I'm in the circle but that might be it saying the attack missed and not saying that it rolled a dodge check

[plain fossil]

Well u cant dodge the 999 so

[mystic bison]

You can iframe it apparently

[plain fossil]

Ye i saw

[tall notch]

Omega attack crit chance and +100 omega cast damage are pretty good

[tender smelt]

alr ty

[plain fossil]

U can also dark side it if for some reason u misclicked that ability

[tall notch]

The Artemis dagger parry was my favourite thing to do to the oneshot attack

[mystic bison]

Lmao people remember to use hexes?

[hoary delta]

I've dodged it (the dodge mechanic) and also dashed through it

[dawn cape]

Dark side is really strong against anything not Chronos and even against him it's useful unlike phase shift

[hoary delta]

The dash obviously isn't reliable though

At least not without LOADS of practice

[plain fossil]

Hey btw if u kill eris and then die to the fire while mining resources afterwards u dont get run credit

[dawn cape]

Faster sprint def helps against it as well

[plain fossil]

Dont ask how i know this

[mystic bison]

Boss training mode when?

[hoary delta]

Oooooof, that hurts

[hoary delta]

Honestly, I have the whole game cracked at this point except Chronos. I can predict his moves easy enough but still make lots of silly mistakes

[jovial cove]

the best thing I did for the Chronos fight was swapping out The Boatman for Strength

[tall notch]

How did you find out?

[jovial cove]

and also taking off desperation

[mystic bison]

With the base sprint and no swift runner you can def get merced by the instakill if your reactions are slow

[hoary delta]

Yeah, that makes sense, last speedrun I did I actually had both on

[dawn cape]

I was more referring to the base sprint speed increase from last patch

[tall notch]

Base sprint before the swift runner change def wasn't fast enough to make some instakill attack patterns at +40% speed

[jovial cove]

I'm an axe main and so I spend my other 5 card on The Unseen

[hoary delta]

I'll give up a lot of cards, but never Swift runner

[jovial cove]

otherwise yeah I'd do both

[plain fossil]

I did say dont ask lulw

[jovial cove]

swift runner too good

[fickle warren]

Any Arcana build guides? I'm having a hard time figuring out how to fit Champions into my board. Only real option is to drop Excellence, but I'd rather get more Rares than a small handful of Epics and a ton of commons

[jovial cove]

simply roll Hera

[tall notch]

It's all very weapon and preference-based, but one tip I'll give is don't overrate boon rarity and don't feel afraid to lose the % increases for either rare or epic boons

[hoary delta]

Yeah I totally get that. It may be worth experimenting with the same build but without The Unseen, it's a lot of grasp for something you can get in the run

[tall notch]

When the patch first came out, I actually did worse with swift runner for a while because the instant dash having fewer iframes messed with my dodge timings for certain fights lol

[mystic bison]

Same, but I still would appreciate it especially since this game is bigger and we are getting at least 7-8 bosses total by 1.0

A boss rush would be a great alternative as well

[plain fossil]

Man i cant play without instant dash anymore

[jovial cove]

I think the only way I'd do it is if I wasn't running vow of panic, which I might try

[hoary delta]

100% agree here, my runs got a lot better when I dropped Excellence

[plain fossil]

I tried a different setup for a run and bricked to polyphemus lmao

[tall notch]

It felt smoother to use right away but the changes in iframes were still messing with my head

[hoary delta]

I love the sound of a boss rush!

[zenith bolt]

cant wait for EM chronos

[tall notch]

First time I reached Chronos with new dash I was like "uhhhhhh why did I tank this triple combo?" for the entire fight

[hoary delta]

Don't even, please no

[mystic bison]

Losing rarity is a big pet peeve of mine it just hurts my soul when I have to give up those cards

[tall notch]

They can be a liability with the fear that primes your mana based on picked up boon rarity

[mystic bison]

That's true

Though vow of arrogance x1 isn't that bad

[tall notch]

I take x2 every time I touch fear above 16 and it's a lot more manageable without the increased rarity (which I want to spend on different arcana anyway)

[spare kite]

EM poly and even more green sheep

[hoary delta]

Speaking of Vow of Arrogance, it's great for free fear when running builds without magic

[mystic bison]

Momus 😂

[tall notch]

For my setups, I am finding that there's no single row of arcana where I'd want to take all of them for the epic thing

[hoary delta]

Dunno what you mean, I never mentioned that and DEFINITELY never play that build

[zenith bolt]

it's all horned sheep, all the way down

[tall notch]

What even is a Momus?

[jovial cove]

Arrogance is pretty good even for magic heavy weapons. 10 prime isn't a lot especially if you don't take rarity boons

[hoary delta]

Same, my build has evolved to a place that has no need for things that activate a whole row

[mystic bison]

That's 10 prime per rarity

[spare kite]

Amomus is pretty sus

[jovial cove]

yeah that's what I meant

[mystic bison]

So for epic it would prime 20 mana

[tall notch]

Soometimes I'll get a build that wants whole first row but it's rare

[jovial cove]

just gotta pick up mana potions

[mystic bison]

Unless you are stacking mana all game it can brick your run

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean do you have the dash special axe tech vid?

[mystic bison]

It can be made to work to be sure you just need to be very careful

[tall notch]

That vow pretty much says "Zeus regen isn't a real boon"

[hoary delta]

Also, get a good Chaos boon (albeit unreliable) and your magick is sorted for the run

[plain fossil]

Reason #4729458728 to click momus btw

[jovial cove]

it can but all you really need is rarity on your main attack and maybe gain

[mystic bison]

Yeah but sometimes you got no choice

[jovial cove]

just gotta be smart about your cash and which doors you go through

[haughty depot]

ended it with 362 max hp and all defiances left 🙂

[mystic bison]

Miniboss rooms are guaranteed rare at the very least

Also how much do duos and legendaries prime?

[jovial cove]

like 30-40 but it's still pretty manageable in my experience

Titan card is good for that vow

[hoary delta]

Also, run Vow of forsaking and get all the duos and legendaries you want

[mystic bison]

I can play with arrogance x1 but I'm too afraid for x2

[jovial cove]

yeah Forsaking is one that can feel more like a boon than a detriment

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242117869244776479/vow_of_forsaking.mp4?ex=664f4ee9&is=664dfd69&hm=424dfbaf52b58a78bb5018d44471b9fbcb13192fc491727ed0530f0f300df2db& I love vow of forsaking

[jovial cove]

if you play it right

[hoary delta]

Yeah, 100%, I can see possible downsides, but much more a boon than anything else

[spare kite]

Should have brought the pen

[tall notch]

Vow of forsaking does nothing or is even mildly beneficial most of the time but its lows are run-ending

I guess 2 fear is the right place for it

[jovial cove]

literally a figurative double edged sword

[mystic bison]

Only downside is not being able to see the boons you've forsaken tbh

Like in the codex or whatever

[hoary delta]

I think you just keep a mental note of the boons you want from a god then once you have them don't pick that god anymore, if possible

[zenith bolt]

pencil meta

[mystic bison]

Fr

[hoary delta]

I can see this being nice QOL

[mystic bison]

I was literally writing this stuff down in my phone notes as I was playing lol

[pastel delta]

Is it possible to make an attack build where Scorch doesn't feel really bad? especially against bosses lmao

[tall notch]

Pencil. Meta.

[mystic bison]

Yeah some of us suggested it in the feedback channel, I think Supergiant will deliver

[hoary delta]

Maybe with Than or one of the blades? Not sure

[spare kite]

Air fryer time

[hoary delta]

Nice, looking forward to the next patch, and many to come

[tall notch]

Do you think high heat run submissions will require sending a picture of your pen and paper boon list alongside the video?

Or include webcam footage so that you can show your pencil game?

[zenith bolt]

2 monitor recording for the whole run

[tall notch]

I don't have a 2nd monitor, p2w game not letting me progress smh

[zenith bolt]

so true

[pastel delta]

I'm using the Spear now and I have level 5 Scorch, but it is normal rarity so maybe that is the issue. I think the Blades being faster to apply it more times is maybe better

[spare kite]

Scorch dps is capped no matter how fast you apply it

[tall notch]

Get air quality from Zeus, it makes scorch actually deal damage

[hoary delta]

I feel like scorch goes better with specials more than attacks to be honest, like Momus, Pan, or mel/moros blade

[mystic bison]

LOOOOOL fr there gonna be footage with them pausing the game while the webcam shows them writing stuff down

Pencil meta is so awesome

[pastel delta]

Tbh I have almost entirely ignored specials/casts in most of my builds so far because other than the Spear, they either seem kind of useless like the Twin Blades one, or clunky like the Axe one, but I do kind of like the Spear special

I bet its possible with a good hammer to do a nice Spear special build where you just play ranged basically

[hoary delta]

That's the Momus Meta right now basically, lol

[hoary delta]

The aspect of Pan on the blades makes the special AMAZING

I do feel like a lot of the Mel aspects make the weapon function but not shine, then you bring in the other aspects and they MAKE their own respectives builds

Aspect of Charon on the axe basically uses the special and cast entirely and not the attack much at all

What are people's thoughts on difficulty of H1 vs H2?

I feel like H2 is easier, currently at least (once you get used to the differences)

[stoic ridge]

Melinoe skull aspect is my favorite just for the flat damage bonus

[civic ocean]

32+ is harder h2 for sure

[plain fossil]

I dont think h2 is complete enough for me to judge yet

[jovial cove]

I think 32 heat is harder wecause he don't have as many freebies and can't equip all our arcana

[hoary delta]

That's fair

[civic ocean]

Yeah we need more stuff to come out

[jovial cove]

h2 has gotten easier the more I've played
and the more I've learned the value of hex

not hex cast

[heady solar]

whats a good keepsake for the spear?

[zenith bolt]

yeah i need EM chronos to fold me like the laundry before i'm satisfied

[jovial cove]

always mess that up

[civic ocean]

Why do people keep saying Spear what happened

[heady solar]

cause its a..spear

[plain fossil]

There are certain things in h1 that are easier (athena dash omegalul) and some things harder (run consistency is worse in h1) so its hard for me to judge atm, especially without EM in h2 yet

[stoic ridge]

Hades 2 dosnt have a spear

[hoary delta]

Staff... Spear,... same thing right?

[zenith bolt]

staff, blades, torches, axe, skull... not seeing a spear

[ionic moon]

still missing at least 1 biome, 1 weapon, 5 more aspects for the existing weapons. plus expected rebalancing

[jovial cove]

But yeah Mel is just a much more tactical and methodical fighter than Zag, who was a very zippy boy

[tall notch]

When you're directly comparing the numbers, ofc h2 is going to be harder considering that it has 55 overall fear compared to 64 heat in h1

[tall swift]

I think the enemies in Hades 2 are generally harder to deal with

[hoary delta]

Yeah the cast can be absolutely crucial in almost any build

[stoic ridge]

Tartarus in hades 1 was turbo easy to just blast through, erebus requires some thought to avoid enemies

[civic ocean]

I like that the early parts of runs are harder, makes building involve more early decisions

[plain fossil]

I think enemies are generally more difficult in a vacuum in h2 but u also get a much better cast tool to deal with them

[tall notch]

Also am I tripping or does H2 have way more armored enemies than H1?

[plain fossil]

I dont think so? Maybe in a3/4? Not sure

[stoic ridge]

It has around the same

[civic ocean]

I feel like Asterius is harder to, or was harder to in my first two weeks playing, deal with than any boss in H2 except Chronos and maybe Eris

[stoic ridge]

Hades 1 had alot of armored enemies even early on

[tall swift]

I still haven't beaten chronos, he's insane

and it's not helped by the fact that sometimes his telegraphs just don't work correctly

[civic ocean]

Wdym

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242989275486617642/Hades_II_2024-05-22_16-54-13.mp4?ex=664fd778&is=664e85f8&hm=e90156f3ec5608b498aa64b24d1a983d33a44f69d49c96409a2ef49573bd6213& so looks like you can dodge the oneshot even with the reduced iframes from swiftrunner

[tall swift]

I've had the white flash that shows an enemy is charging an attack not show up, coincidentally always when it's kind of unclear if he's transitioned to triple attacks yet

[tall notch]

How do you get that consistently? Is there a tell or are you just counting down?

[jovial cove]

swiftrunner has reduced iframes?

[tall notch]

I've iframed the thing a few times but can't get it consistent

[tired fulcrum]

uh his scythe floats above him then he grabs its and sligthly after that I dodge

[tall notch]

Yeah because the wind-up to a dash was giving you iframes and instant dash obviously doesn't have that

[jovial cove]

huh

[tired fulcrum]

though don't expect me to do this consistently

[tall notch]

That's for +40% speed right?

[civic ocean]

IIRC it's always half hp

[bleak night]

If you're swinging, yes

[tired fulcrum]

yeah +40% speed

[young plinth]

so during my final boss fight like 10 minutes ago, born gain started adding to primed magic (8 -> 16 -> 24 etc.)
think they patched it?

[tall notch]

Thank you! Good to know there's an actual tell, I was kinda just guessing it's the time for a dodge. Now it's something I can actually practice

[tired fulcrum]

also the circle flashes and immediately as the flash finishes then thats when the oneshot seems to come out

[hoary delta]

Yeah, that's really good to know, looking forward to trying that out

[civic ocean]

Isn't this how born gain always works

[young plinth]

just curious, is your swift runner upgraded? i've been avoiding the max upgrade like the plague

[quaint dawn]

does that mean its better not to use swift runner?

[tired fulcrum]

yeah

doesnt the upgrade just increase the sprint speed

[tall notch]

I think instant dash is better than these few iframes but honestly not sure

[young plinth]

they mentioned in the last patch notes it lowers your invincibility time

[tired fulcrum]

I think the lack of start up also means you can dash slightly more frequently

[tall notch]

Instant dash feels smoother even if it took me a while to re-learn the timings

[hoary delta]

May be wrong but I feel like the dash is partly personal preference

[tired fulcrum]

prolly

[tall notch]

Yeah it might be, my personal preference is gonna be the smoothness (though I am slightly upset that I have to choose between proccing centaur and not having instant dash in my antler setups)

[young plinth]

sorta, it the primed limit stayed at 8 and i thought that's how it worked up until now. isn't that why it's considered broken?

[bleak night]

Either way, the ability to make it toggleable is always nice

[civic ocean]

Nah it always reprimes more every time you oom

[tall notch]

I wish they also made 0 cost cards toggleable, knowing that I'd need to use an alternative save file to optimally run antler isn't fun

[young plinth]

huh well i had born gain on for most of the run and only saw my prime go past 8 during the boss fight

[plain fossil]

Ye u can prime all ur mana if ur trolling or really zdps

[bleak night]

Is this about Centaur

[tall notch]

You probably killed rooms and earlier bosses fast enough to never prime more than once

[hoary delta]

Hmmmmm, yeah, would be a nice change

[civic ocean]

Is it optimal to run Swift runner on antler then

[young plinth]

ahh and here i thought everyone was hyping it up bc it was infinite mana

[tall notch]

It is practically infinite if your build has reasonable dps

[young plinth]

okay so it resets once you leave the room, gotcha

[civic ocean]

Yes

[bleak night]

Neat, right ?

[tall notch]

The optimal thing is to use a no centaur save file I think 😭

[civic ocean]

Is using runner that important?

[jovial cove]

you can get born gain down to 1 prime per bar

so if you have 100 mana that's 100! mana

[tall notch]

The dash seems preference because you might want fewer iframes but move speed for 1 arcana is genuinely valuable. And I'd also like to run sorceress for antler builds on weapons that omega channel

[civic ocean]

I guess the easiest thing would be to have Centaur be toggleable

[young plinth]

makes sense then, the game doesn't read the house as a separate room from the phase 2 arena so that's why the prime stuck around past the victory screen

[tall notch]

100! would be 100*99*98*...*1, what you actually get with 1 prime is 100+99+98+...+1

[upper shuttle]

does chimaera jerky stack?

[jovial cove]

sorry it's been a while since I took math

[tall notch]

No worries

[civic ocean]

Yeah but watch your cholesterol

[young plinth]

yes, additively

[tall notch]

If they made this change to centaur they might as well apply the same logic to all 0 mana cards, no reason not to make it consistent

[jovial cove]

surprised we haven't gotten an actual chimera in game somewhere

[young plinth]

i think there's been enough feedback about that so i wouldn't be surprised if they make all the 0 grasp cards toggleable soon

[young plinth]

inb4 surface miniboss

[civic ocean]

TIL Lernie and Cerb are related

[hoary delta]

What?

[young plinth]

typhon and echidna?

[tall notch]

Did you know that Melinoë and Zagreus from Hades 1 are related?

[hoary delta]

Tell me more

[civic ocean]

Wikipedia just says that all the multi headed monsters are related, and specifically mentions Cerberus and the Lernaean Hydra

[hoary delta]

Is that what they're calling siblings nowadays?

[civic ocean]

Isn't there a decent chance that Zagreus is the younger brother atm

[hoary delta]

That would actually make a lot of sense

[hoary delta]

Oooooooh, maybe, yeah

[tall notch]

Uhh it depends on how you look at it I guess

[jovial cove]

you don't think it's a single chimera they're taking all that jerky from

[young plinth]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna_(mythology)#Offspring
new power couple

[hoary delta]

It'd be a proper skinny one now if so

[civic ocean]

Isn't Melinoe vegan

Why's she eating jerky

[mystic bison]

I want her as a boss

[tall notch]

She's putting it in her pocket as a good luck talisman

[jovial cove]

I believe she says she prefers not to eat animal flesh

which is fair, in this economy

[young plinth]

maybe it's vegan jerky and chimaera is just the brand name
charon knows everyone's dietary needs

[jovial cove]

sometimes you gotta eat

[civic ocean]

Do you think it'll become an issue if she doesn't eat the meat at family gatherings

[hoary delta]

Charon is the secret main character

[jovial cove]

maybe the Chimera is making the jerky

[young plinth]

yeah, captain crunch isn't made from the good captain

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1242994241463124009/image.png?ex=664fdc18&is=664e8a98&hm=61e017c3ffd973d66fca2edf04a90591b7cd7f4dfc9d7713dbf4822d5492c073& tfw the channel is so quick it doesn't even fill the circle

[tall notch]

Nem will make her eat it

[ionic moon]

wait does cyclops jerky still exist? now I feel like I've only seen chimera...

[young plinth]

wonder if polyphemus says something if you bring cyclops jerky to him? don't think it's possible from hermes though

[spare kite]

Is what eris eats in the crossroads lmao

And yes, charon wells don't sell cyclops jerkie this time

Is the +30% atk buff

[hoary delta]

I've picked up so many damn warppers, smoewhat hoping we get an incantation in the future that needs like 1000 of them

[spare kite]

(patty's is +60%, slightly different name)

[young plinth]

i thought there was an incantation or upgrade somewhere that needed like 5 of the wrappers

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241501779091394612/image.png?ex=664fb422&is=664e62a2&hm=50a035c694c0a3da881fda15682ea37caa7ad50e0a251ecd72a7bf5e7c845993&
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241501780014006302/image.png?ex=664fb422&is=664e62a2&hm=cca3a2cee9a3766ca2dbf61171c8503cab194b4f79626c3febe73e6639a26494&

[hoary delta]

Possibly, if so I've done it and forgotten about it

Oh yeah, forgot about that

[jovial cove]

well dang. She must have found the warehouse where they were storing it all and is hoarding it for herself

[hoary delta]

Where is she getting it from?

[young plinth]

my bet is on stealing

[hollow stag]

Heph is very good in that you get invulnerability for 10+ seconds.

That time can be used to melt most of guardian’s HP or clear the room without consequences.

[young plinth]

i really want to like hephaestus so i hope they lower the duration between his holy anvils

[jovial cove]

It would be nice if fixed gain worked with mint condition

[hoary delta]

Ah yeah, you want the wording in fixed gain to be "hit" and not "take damage"

[civic ocean]

Heph is insanely good at high fear tho

[haughty depot]

is lion fang 25% at chronos if you rush to him?

[spare kite]

Ye

[civic ocean]

Yes but it's not worth it usually

[mystic bison]

Top 2 boon in the entire game

[hoary delta]

What's top 1?

[civic ocean]

Born Gain of course

[mystic bison]

Born Gain of course

[hollow stag]

What would theoretically be the WC build?

[hoary delta]

Fair, lol

[mystic bison]

LOOOL

[hoary delta]

Silly me

[civic ocean]

Born Gain, Wave Flourish and Mint Condition

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242996882548985886/image.png?ex=664fde8e&is=664e8d0e&hm=ca2f974fe13eec0a5d93527e600df2a533d4e6801b07f6abb44f1b84dda8e1c5& didn't trigger born gain once lmao

6 mp per volley

[timber pawn]

I really don't even know how they're going to change born gain?

just change the scale of things and make common rarity prime like 20 per use? lol

[civic ocean]

It should be like 40

[timber pawn]

and heroic is 10 or something

I feel like that is kind of the only lever they have to pull unless they completely rework it

[civic ocean]

Tbf I think they don't need to nerf it a ton but they should change how other regen works to make them closer

[hoary delta]

They could add a timer maybe?

[civic ocean]

Part of the reason you take born gain is that most of the other gains are quite bad comparatively due to how regen works

[hoary delta]

Or limit it to a number of times per encounter

[hoary delta]

Yeah, for sure

[tall notch]

Hmmmmmm I like that timer idea, if you spam mana too much you'll have to wait before you can get it back again

[civic ocean]

I like making it prime a certain amount up front like Static Shock

[hoary delta]

If you did that I think it would need to be a percentage based prime

[tall notch]

If it's a timer you can even get rid of the priming

[civic ocean]

I think flat 30 would be good

[tall notch]

And then pomming/rarity would reduce the timer length

[hoary delta]

In Erebus maybe but when you get to Chronos it's basically just free magick

[hoary delta]

I actually like this a lot]

[civic ocean]

Yeah that's okay for it to be bad early and strong later

[wise nest]

Is there anything I'm missing as far as scorch vs poseidon or is it actually just wholly objectively worse

Because I genuinely cannot think of anything it does better

[civic ocean]

It's better at doing damage while you're dodging

[wise nest]

It still requires you to get those hits in in the first place to apply it though

[hoary delta]

To be fair they are very different things

[tired fulcrum]

It has the funnier bugs

[subtle anchor]

Scorch is like scary good with knives vs armor. thats about the best use for it ive had so far. However it does shred some bosses if you can keep it high

[tired fulcrum]

funeral pyre funny

[wise nest]

Spaced out poseidon vs spaced out scorch is still going to be in poseidon's favor damage wise

[wise nest]

They're both flat damage best used on fast attack rates/multihits, so they're directly competing

[mystic bison]

Scorch is there to make poseidon do even more dmg

Scalding vapor my beloved

[wise nest]

Unironically yeah

[civic ocean]

Try Scorch with Air Quality and Thermal Dynamics

[hoary delta]

Yeah, pretty much

[tired fulcrum]

Scalding vapor my not beloved removing slip and origination

[wise nest]

But even at that point, poseidon will be doing way more than scorch + steam

[forest veldt]

never found it was worth bc of that. haven't done dmg testing tho

[wise nest]

You still get scorch and steam active, no?

[forest veldt]

steam isn't a curse

[tired fulcrum]

Steam doesnt count as a curse cuz reasons

[civic ocean]

No it clears Origination

[wise nest]

But cyclone does

[tired fulcrum]

But steam doesnt

[wise nest]

Incredible absolutely phenomenal

[civic ocean]

You don't really want to run Origination on Scorch builds tho

[tired fulcrum]

Origination affects scorch though air quality would overwrite it

[civic ocean]

Since it doesn't affect Air Quality

[hoary delta]

When playing momus I tend to have Poseidon on special, scorch on cast for slip, and then cyclone also on cast

Then you don't lose Origination

[young plinth]

i just had an omega-heavy run where i randomly got total eclipse as the lowest tier hex and without trying was able to upgrade the impact area and make me invincible during the delay.

it's not optimal for speed, but being invulnerable for 4 seconds while an asteroid deals 1000+ damage to half the throne room is just fun

[hoary delta]

That does sound very fun

[wise nest]

I think just going all in on poseidon and having another for support is better, especially since it limits your pommable boons

[hoary delta]

Did it leave a massive crater?

[wise nest]

Like poseidon + demeter

[forest veldt]

king tide pretty good so makes sesne to always try to get. other gods r just nice for another curse and apollo sprint maybe

[hollow stag]

Fear options that drops 2 unselected boons is amazing.

Clears out clutter.

[civic ocean]

I think going all in on Poseidon is a good way to be very sad once the first balance patch hits, and if you want to make scorch work there are definitely ways for it to cook very effectively, especially if you know your way around Vow of Forsaking

[wise nest]

forsaking is pretty funny

[tall notch]

It's amazing until it forces you to replace born gain with heph's gain 😭

[young plinth]

hell yeah it did
even with the normal sized impact it's very satisfying seeing half the house of hades be crater after a final boss fight with total eclipse

[hoary delta]

Yup, all the duo's and legendries are yours with it

[hoary delta]

Yeahhhhhhhhh

[young plinth]

also, i'm just always kinda impressed that the same crater texture looks seamless for all the biomes

[hoary delta]

Awesome, gotta get rid of all traces of Chronos

[wise nest]

sure, but even nerfed it's going to have a ton of advantages over hestia with the aoe, lower boon requirement, instant damage vs dot, and crowd control

And a balance change is kind of irrelevant because that's not what we're playing now

[civic ocean]

Yeah and Hestia will have higher highs with being able to stack it up and have it tick with AQ and eventually TD super effortlessly

[wise nest]

Some patch turbobuffing hestia and turbonerfing poseidon doesn't change the fact that right now just about anything hestia will do is outdone by poseidon's flat damage

[forest veldt]

what u think they will nerf about pos?

[wise nest]

The damage

[forest veldt]

just lower flat?

[civic ocean]

I don't think poseidon can do 200 dps while not hitting the enemy?

[wise nest]

It's super high while being instant + aoe + less demanding boon wise

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242277747909197935/Hades_II_2024-05-20_17-46-15.mp4?ex=664f3b0f&is=664de98f&hm=4a867bc5283c5da7688522f830f95604d113dfbf11c6c559b3be140c40bdf582& theres funeral pyre bug tho

[wise nest]

That looks rather funky

[acoustic moat]

how do you all upload photos here i want to show you the terrible build i have against chronos after failing to get needed hammer upgrade

[forest veldt]

its 15-30 on attack and 20-50 on special (common to heroic). so ui tihnking like 10-25 and 15-45?

[hoary delta]

I did the Nemisis challenge earlier where i have to deal her damage and did over 3000 with Poseidon on Momus special and Double Moonshot

[tired fulcrum]

It is idk how it even works

[tired fulcrum]

You need to upload somewhere else then link it

[wise nest]

Won't the ticks reduce the scorch by that amount anyway

[civic ocean]

Nope

[fickle warren]

What do you guys prefer early on for chaos boons? I like Blood and Affluence. Can't go wrong with regen or more money

[tired fulcrum]

Air quality affects the damage of scorch but not how fast it depletes

[wise nest]

how many ticks per second is it

[tired fulcrum]

Uh like 6-7

[wise nest]

The descriptor only says it does 40 dps but not the ticks

[tired fulcrum]

Its kinda weird

[spare kite]

channel speed/mana consumption/elements

[wise nest]

Isn't aq 6 air boons though

[civic ocean]

5

[acoustic moat]

thats alright ill just die to him anyways

[civic ocean]

And there are 5 sources of air assuming you are running hestia as one of your 3 gods

6 actually

[hoary delta]

Oh yeah, elements is always welcome

[wise nest]

Speaking of which, 3 god pool vs the original 4 is pretty nice for consistency

Are infusion boon chances at all affected by how many elements you have

[hoary delta]

Yeah, it's nice, less duo chance but I don't feel I'm lacking anything

[tired fulcrum]

Dont think so

[civic ocean]

I think they might keep flat the same or increase it to around where breaker sprint is and then slap a 1-2 second ICD on it so you cannot spam it

[wise nest]

Like if you have the chaos boon giving you a boost to each, will hermes have a higher chance of tall order

[tired fulcrum]

Like even if you want 4 gods you can just force em in with keepsake

[wise nest]

Ah yes hephaestus attack/special but slightly less bad

[civic ocean]

Heph attack special is amazing what

[upper shuttle]

for that chronos move where time closeses in on you how do you dodge that?

[wise nest]

just dash past it, it's a wave attack

[forest veldt]

ah i could see them doing that, helps keep blitz balanced. if they didn't have any icd already it would be insane on torches omega special, around 2.5k on mel at heroic lv 5 w/ base omega spec

[tired fulcrum]

Like the shrinking circle? You just dodge through it

[wise nest]

It does look like the area past it would damage you though

[tired fulcrum]

The outside looks sketchy because its dark but it doesnt actually damage you if you go into it

[hoary delta]

Yeah, just dash

[civic ocean]

It's very clearly a problem with specifically rapid firing weapons so it seems a sensible change to me

[wise nest]

I think it's the brightness contrast reminding you of the oneshot attack that trips people up

[upper shuttle]

I thought it was like that other one where their's only onne spot that wont damage you

[forest veldt]

tru but thats also what its meant for, would need to find a new balance of what fire rate is acceptable application. 1-2sec may be a bit long since closer to blitz

[wise nest]

Exhibit A

[wise nest]

Yeah that's what tripped me up until I found out it was safe on the other side

[civic ocean]

I don't think thematically Poseidon is supposed to fit with rapid fire, I could see them upping the damage and making it feel bigger like Breaker Sprint

[forest veldt]

maybe not thematically but thats what numbers feel like to me, could be wrong tho. could see them changing how it works since maybe too hard to balance rn

[civic ocean]

Partially, I think our understanding of the other gods is catching up to Poseidon a little bit as players experiment

[young plinth]

same question, looks like i can only upload media to the tech support and boastig channels

[wise nest]

Well, the first game had zeus and dio sometimes for rapid fire, but poseidon was really good on dash since it still had the crowd control + fast application + aoe damage

[forest veldt]

have a sheet w/ some rough dmg calcs. pos not too far head of everything else, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v7sjmXin-LzZ_HySN8hfQZc_ey2AKCs06YdWGN-zimU/edit?usp=sharing

[young plinth]

oh boy, i think hades is going to have the same line i draw for stardew valley: no spreadsheets, just vibes

[forest veldt]

spreadsheets r what make games fun for me lol

[finite gorge]

Anyone think AP/% needs tweaking, aspects/hammers should mod AP and boons mod %? I find a lot of what would be cool interactions/builds unduly constrained by diminishing returns on double % scaling - such as backstab dmg

[hoary delta]

That looks super fun to make

[wise nest]

It's super easy to all but guarantee a heroic boon early on though

funny phial go brr

[pastel delta]

ok how do you make the like dual lantern wand things not feel completely terrible to use in every way? lol

[forest veldt]

even getting epic card w/ keepsake not too bad for heroic

[pastel delta]

they are my bonus weapon rn and i need to figure out something to do with them

[spare kite]

upload to another discord (or use a bot's dmg idk) right click then "copy link" (or use imgur/img hosting sites)

[civic ocean]

Yeah the "Poseidon Problem" is specifically that the weaker the initial hit is the more "%" Poseidon generates, which is why stuff like staff special and pan blades are incredible with him, whereas you don't see that many people singing his praises on, say, the Axe.

I think the easy fix is to just make him % based again

[quiet axle]

Question: If I use Aphrodite's Heirloom (or any similar) in the first zone, if I decide to keep using it for the 2nd zone, does it still work? The text changes to "This Keepsake's effect has expired..." and I wasn't sure if that was JUST for the upgrade usage, or if it also means Aprhrodite boons are no longer likely to appear? My hope is that I can keep it on for other zones and still get the benefit of more boons of my choice.

[haughty depot]

does swift strike make the skulls land faster after hitting? does it make the omega attack hit faster?

[hoary delta]

Pos on Special, Hestia on cast, Cyclone from Demeter on cast also

[civic ocean]

The god keepsakes in 2 have two functions - they make that god more likely to appear, AND they let you rarify their boons once per run. Once you'd had both things happen, that text appears.

[hoary delta]

Spam special, ignore all Omega

[forest veldt]

ya, it maybe works too well w/ low base power stuff. i like more options for dmg scaling since all % a bit boring but can see why may be only option if too overpowering otherwise

[hoary delta]

Take your time on first run since no stagger

[pastel delta]

alright i will try that

[tired fulcrum]

It will only force aphrodite once per night and also rarify is only once per night

[wise nest]

Yeah, poseidon in the first game specifically went nuts with flat damage and not with % based

[quiet axle]

Ok, I might have been playing Hades 1 wrong all along lol.

[civic ocean]

It would be like if Blitz triggered based on any dmg source with no ICD, you would just triple or quadruple your damage on spammable moves right

[wise nest]

The thing is that because basically every % based damage boost is additive, those also help flat damage way more than % based

[tired fulcrum]

Just swap blitz with jolted

[forest veldt]

haven't done as much math on blitz since release but was very similar flat dmg for momus at least w/ its hit vs trigger rate. only problem was the super long icd between applications, making it not great as main dmg boon

[wise nest]

Aphro special getting a 20% boost when it's already at +150% means a lot less than poseidon special at any damage number getting a full 20% boost

[civic ocean]

so Poseidon needs to be either % based, or to be flat damage but with a stricter ICD

[wise nest]

Jolted didn't need you to do damage though 😭

[tired fulcrum]

Thats why jolted gud

[wise nest]

You apply it then they detonate it on next attack

[forest veldt]

maybe could lower by 5 or tweak icd ya. tbh think the 100% dmg for first 10 sec is insane for him tho

[tired fulcrum]

Jolted my beloved

[wise nest]

Bring jolted back 🙏

[civic ocean]

specifically because it scales with his own damage source!

[spare kite]

new mod idea, just port zeus kit from H1 to hades 2 lmao

[forest veldt]

ya, he gets the flat which is unique but also gets huge % dmg

[wise nest]

Poseidon rn is basically hades 1 zeus tbf

[civic ocean]

I like new Zeus

Storm ring is super strong, he has some of the best duos, and Air Quality is a sleeper cool infusion

[hoary delta]

New Zeus really threw me for a minute but I like him

[spare kite]

his cast is neat cuz is the only thing that still gets to call lightning bolts constantly
and static shock is just lightning strike

[wise nest]

Air quality on demeter is funny

[tired fulcrum]

Blitz would be nicer as a secondary boon

[spare kite]

blitz feels like doom (negative), sprint to activate duo even

[civic ocean]

blitz feels like doom (derogatory)

[wise nest]

we even have merciful end with the aphro duo lmao

[tired fulcrum]

Toasted fork blitz is almost twice the cd of impending doom

[civic ocean]

Thermal dynamics is where it's at though

Eventually the scorch starts popping the blitz itself in like 1 second

[wise nest]

How much scorch was it again

[civic ocean]

90 iirc

so all you need to do is reapply blitz from distance and then the air fryer does the work

[wise nest]

I had one ridiculous run where the boon order was poseidon special -> hestia attack -> demeter miniboss for 2x rare crop

Duos + rarity go brr

[storm spire]

Prob got asked x100 time here but how to set up a good skull run? Any recommended boon? Also how to effectively deal with armoured mobs? The big damage from skull seems irrelevant & being closed isnt going well for me as armoured opponents are not staggered

[wise nest]

omega attack against them so you can aim it better from range

[hoary delta]

I had a great Medea run with Zeus on Special and Hera on Attack the other day

[wise nest]

Demeter special is really nice since you can omega special to apply massive aoe freeze

If you get the shotgun hammer you can run up to armored enemies and blast them point blank

[civic ocean]

Aspect of Persephone

Take Zeus first

Rarify Storm Ring

Watch everything die

Get 5 wind and Air Quality and then scorch on Special

Use the super special on bosses

ez win

[tall notch]

Nice weapon agnostic boon stacking

[civic ocean]

tbf it is a 1 boon build

[hoary delta]

I may try that tomorrow

[wise nest]

Speaking of which, what the hell is with the persephone glory

[tall notch]

Storm ring, air quality, scorch special. That's 3 boons

[wise nest]

"makes your omega special last 5 seconds longer" ????

Or something along those lines

[civic ocean]

Yeah but you take storm ring and go from there, that fit the criteria

[tall notch]

Hmmm you right

[hoary delta]

What Glory? It takes an hour to fully charge, and seems unpredictable. Don't like it

[tall notch]

Then are Eos builds a 1 boon build too since you can take born gain and go from there?

[civic ocean]

You took passion dash you're gaslighting us

[tall notch]

no u

[civic ocean]

idk I for one can name at least 3 situations where I would really appreciate being immune to damage while dealing massive damage for 5 seconds

[tall notch]

It's not a thing you'd rely on as your main damage gain but when you deal damage in other ways and occasionally need a powerful special it's solid

Idk what's the highest fear vows you played, but an occasional revenant vacuum cleaner is great value

[civic ocean]

Cerberus chasing me down? I'll show him who the chaser is

[hoary delta]

Is there an easy way to tell when your next Omega special will go longer that i missed?

[tall notch]

There's a circle next to your health bar

[civic ocean]

there is a gauge next to the hp bar ye

[tall notch]

It fills up as you gain glory

[night gazelle]

Is the "more likely to appear" just the same function as "forced first offer from this god" that the first game had? (Just worded differently because, I assume, Hermes/Chaos/Selene would confuse people)

[hoary delta]

I know about the circle but haven't seen it fill up much

[tall notch]

Yeah pretty much

[hoary delta]

I guess I'll give it another try and pay more attention

[civic ocean]

Yes I believe it is the same EXCEPT for some reason for Artificer

[night gazelle]

Artificer is always random? (I haven't used it a lot--does it respect god pool?)

[tall notch]

Someone said it fills up 0.1 secs worth of charged omega special per 100 dmg you deal but idk how accurate that is as I haven't tested

[civic ocean]

Also I don't think it counts the omega special in the damage dealt

Like I don't think Ospec charges the Ospec

[wise nest]

What hammers are best on the skull anyway

[tall notch]

But that number sounds about right actually, I've been able to throw out a decently long special every 2-3 epic Zeus casts I did

[wise nest]

I've just been using 5 skull + shotgun as discount clockets

[hoary delta]

Yeah, I'll bear that in mind

[wise nest]

clockets my beloved

[tall notch]

I hated clockets because of how ridiculously hammer-reliant that setup was. Never liked builds that need specific hammers to function

[analog osprey]

between heph, poseidon, and hestia - which do i put on special? am mid run

[wise nest]

Yeah, vibe

[tall notch]

What weapon?

[analog osprey]

charon axe

[wise nest]

What's the rest of the build-

[tall notch]

I'd say Heph unless you are aiming for a specific duo boon with one of the other two

[wise nest]

Yeah

[tall notch]

Neither Pos or Hestia special really fit Charon axe. Heph isn't that good either but it's better than these

[analog osprey]

+3 epic heph attack
+2 rare poseidon cast
and like nothing else is relevant (purple hermes sprint, purple vent, purple double up, giga cleaver - channel 15 for another round of charged special, hestia mana)

[frosty ruin]

Not a great combo to have on axe lol

[wise nest]

Mfw speedrunner so I got used to only rnging one hammer

[wise nest]

yikes

[tall notch]

Ohh you guys used that mod pack to force first hammer right?

I play most of my games vanilla

[spare kite]

roll for 3rd hammer (keepsake/echo) for the "omega shoots in a straight line"

[wise nest]

yep, just because basically every weapon had a hammer that really made the build

[analog osprey]

better than nothing i guess

[civic ocean]

Is the modded game a seperate category at least

[analog osprey]

should be

[wise nest]

Of course it is

[hoary delta]

Yeah, I've gone through a lot of Momus runs today looking for the rng on the hammer

[storm spire]

Tyvm, will give it a try. I just feel skull is a really hard weapon to play, especially runs with lots of armour. 1 miss shot is punishing

[frosty ruin]

Wasn’t it pretty much the main category? At least for high heat runs?

[tall notch]

spiteful strength would actually be better than any of these

[wise nest]

For speedruns it was more active

[analog osprey]

the funny thing about giga cleaver (axe - channel additional 15 for double omega special) is that you can block longer

[analog osprey]

no hera sadly :(

[wise nest]

Just bc having to reset 4/5 runs just bc you didn't get a hammer is wild

[tall notch]

Well you can change that

Yeah I don't think I could speedrun this game for real, the rng is even greater than my 40 fear runs

[wise nest]

Its changes were basically qol for some of the more silly rng

[hoary delta]

Hades 1 was getting the perfect build then getting a 5-sac and crying

[analog osprey]

5 min deadline alone (no other vows) is probably insanely tight

[civic ocean]

it got even MORE rng now right

[wise nest]

• you can pick your 1st hammer guaranteed, 2nd is still rng
• your first boon will have all the core slots so you don't have to reset off that
• certain minibosses are gone
• NO BARGE SCREW BARGE ALL MY HOMIES HATE BARGE
• guaranteed 2 tunnel satyr sack

[forest veldt]

the most pain rng is getting chaos at ocean well

[spare kite]

the most ??? change was prob the fountains indicator

[tall notch]

Without other vows I can do it consistently on powerful weapons but when there's also all the other fear stuff the dps check is wild

[wise nest]

So it basically just removed the sillier timewastes/reset gates and left the rest unchanged

[analog osprey]

imagine: fields, without golden bough, on 5 min deadline

[civic ocean]

Like the swing between echo + miniboss Fields and not getting one of those is tremendous timeloss right

[wise nest]

I still like that one 👉 👈 kinda wish it was base game

[spare kite]

oh yeah I like it but still is quite

and for high heat the first boon wasn't affected ap2 which I love

[wise nest]

Yeah bc that'd just be silly

Ap2 is unironically the most satanic one when combined with uc

[hoary delta]

I can get about half the weapons to run won on a 5 min timer with other fear

[wise nest]

Like it's bad enough on its own

[wise nest]

h u h

[tall notch]

Ap2 wasn't a real heat choice, it was a "ok let's play randomiser" choice

[civic ocean]

I think they're all doable at 32 except maybe Axe needs rng

[wise nest]

Oh wait you meant the tight deadline

I was thinking you were getting sub6 runs on every weapon for a sec

[hoary delta]

Oh, yeah, sorry

[bleak night]

Also might need to turn off blue hearts

[civic ocean]

I don't play shields on any of the weps at 32

[analog osprey]

barrier is so swingy based on weapon ngl

[bleak night]

true

[wise nest]

Basically every weapon in the first game managed high 40s and could do like 50 I'm pretty sure

[hoary delta]

Nah, 11 min on Momus is best so far

[spare kite]

blue hearts are always so

[hoary delta]

Beating my PB pretty consistently at the moment though

[bleak night]

Axe doesn't handle blue hearts as well as Arthur can

[spare kite]

since when arthur handles dc well

[tall notch]

Arthur what?

Mynt is doing a little trolling I think

[bleak night]

The heavy sword that has the Axe swing moveset in 1

[spare kite]

or like arthur handles them bad and axe is worse

[bleak night]

Axe is just worse than it in general is all, because that Special slows down projectiles

You can have a bit of breathing room

[spare kite]

arthur had more issues than projectiles spam

[analog osprey]

axe block has uses but is kinda... ehh

[hollow stag]

Arcana that blocks first 3 Guardians’ attacks is very underrated, and very affordable too

[tall notch]

Hades 2 projectiles are more difficult to deal with by design I think. It made me appreciate reduced projectile speed from Hermes way more than whoever offered a duo boon that did the same in Hades1

[spare kite]

slow projectiles is nice here cuz is not tied to a duo (which just killed muscle memory usually)

[hoary delta]

Dionysus

[pastel delta]

holy cow the Hermes boon for the charged cast that make it do a bunch of rapid damage when it goes off is insane

[bleak night]

Arthur has the advantage of being from a game where you can cut through projectiles, so it has that at least

[wise nest]

isn't that apollo

[hoary delta]

And yeah, Projectiles were just fine in Hades 1

[bleak night]

Hoping they add that back to Hades II because I prefer the ability to cut through them

[wise nest]

Can't we just make the axe alone do that at least

[spare kite]

yeah idk how I feel about not being able to hit projectiles

[analog osprey]

granted - its a duo boon, though

[bleak night]

Which one is it ?

[tall notch]

I'd be okay with it being an axe ability, that weapon needs something

[civic ocean]

Athena someone

[spare kite]

can't wait for athena to get artemis'd and only appear once per run just on the surface

[bleak night]

Being able to cut through projectiles should maybe be a melee weapon thing, idm giving it to Blades as well

[wise nest]

I miss artemis

[analog osprey]

oops i was joking, it doesnt exist
might not have come across clearly

[bleak night]

got my hopes up

[dusty sapphire]

Anyone got suggestions for some builds with the Aspect of Eos that don't invole Aphrodite (I want to rank up other keepsakes)

[tall notch]

I miss Hestia rail, do you guys think Eris will let me play with her gun some time? 🥺

[spare kite]

yeah, you are the target tho

[analog osprey]

zeus

[tall notch]

Wouldn't be the first time she used Mel's tent as target practice

[frosty ruin]

Cutting through projectiles was pretty weird anyway. When projectiles actually mattered it was because they made the game a bullet hell

[analog osprey]

she'll kill you at EM4 levels

[tall notch]

Hera. That's your build.

[pastel delta]

How exactly does the Axe special work? as long as i charge it, I can't be hit by projectiles? or is it attacks? or what?

[bleak night]

Doesn't Eris on the Exagryph somehow have the properties of Hestia's gun as well ?

[bleak night]

You can tap that for more effective blocking, but there's a bit of a list of things that it can't block in general

[spare kite]

she has like 5 hammers jammed into that poor rail

[analog osprey]

as long as you dont fire the omega special you can block most things

[bleak night]

I should compile that list, actually

[analog osprey]

she's also eating cyclops jerky like no tomorrow - where do you think she gets those wrappers from

[bleak night]

is that what she's eating ?

[spare kite]

still hoping em eris just makes her discover the lucifer aspect

[dusty sapphire]

at the very least she's got cluster bomb and hazard bomb (I think?)

[analog osprey]

yep - she mentions it at some point in the crossroads

and we all know what cyclops jerky does

[spare kite]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[tall notch]

I'd like Axe special a lot if it was an actual shield with a short duration, delay between specials not letting you spam it and getting off perfect deflects rewarding you in some way or another, such as a longer invuln/hitting the enemy back/getting a significant dmg buff

[bleak night]

She also has the properties of the Hestia rail lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242073233176530946/image.png?ex=664fce17&is=664e7c97&hm=e7460f1501d2b448261ba472f9abcaf9cae3f4d1bc93fc60f8c407e4d6d9cdb8& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243014707896647760/image.png?ex=664fef28&is=664e9da8&hm=20ff3757397b80b221232295b117a60fba550704bcdbc3cc02a93f62934b854b&

[tall notch]

Has anyone here played Dead Cells? I think it'd be cool if axe special worked very similar to shields in that game

[bleak night]

I need to get into that

[timber pawn]

its a good game, 5 cell mode is pretty tough

[bleak night]

Oooh, I see

[tall notch]

I've only managed to clear 2 cells lol

[timber pawn]

that was actually the next roguelike I played after Hades introduced me to the genre haha

[dusty sapphire]

I don't think that's actually Hestia though given that it doesn't do that much more damage than her regular attacks. It feels closest to Rocket Bomb

[mystic bison]

Winning 5BC is the most rewarding feeling ever

[tall notch]

Then I got stuck at 3 cells for a while, then Hades 2 EA came out so I got into that

[bleak night]

I only started playing Hades because I was getting addicted to Slay the Spire and needed to take a break

the mods on that game are insane, the devs are giving people the tools to make new decks

[spare kite]

I did 2bc normally then custom mode my way through the rest
I don't like how DC does no healing for whatever reason

[ionic lily]

I could only beat 0BC on dead cells 😂

[mystic bison]

No healing is manageable and you can refill in shops

[spare kite]

I know I know, I just didn't like it

[tall notch]

But yeah I think it'd be cool if axe special got reworked to function somewhat similar to dead cells shields

[ionic lily]

Ooo slay the spire was amazing too

[mystic bison]

The hardest part on 4-5BC is the early biomes, once you are past the first boss high chance you will get far or win

So just like how Erebus is the hardest part of Hades 2

[bleak night]

I kinda wanna do an StS run now

[obsidian remnant]

does medea's Malice in Kind work on eris? i'm never sure if "foes" counts guardians/bosses

[civic ocean]

The difficulty curve in H2 is much more like Spire it feels inspired

[tall notch]

Was about to say hard early biomes sound familiar lol

[civic ocean]

It should yes

[analog osprey]

early game hell before assembling the roguelike's exodia is rough all too real

[torpid epoch]

how does exceptional talnt work with axe omega attack?

[jovial swift]

Yeah agreed

[tender flint]

ok https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238644696583241861/1243015502088110132/20240522183927_1.jpg?ex=664fefe5&is=664e9e65&hm=dfc7795e57bca890e4e144ffb48951ea10bca1c2b8f6f893dc5b7a82c9a1b01d&=&format=webp&width=550&height=309 I dont know what peoples favorite build for eos is but this is mine the hera hestia duo is just to perfect for eos its so good since you are anyways casting entire time. and I know some people dont like split fire for eos but I found personally for me instead of dashing back you dash in and then both pillars crash into the person. but that is specifcally for splitfire

[analog osprey]

what's exceptional talent again

[spare kite]

speeeeen for longer iirc

[bleak night]

it lasts twice as long, so it's kinda not that good unless you have Psychic Whirlwind

[tall notch]

I enjoyed low ascensions in sts but my brain is too small for higher ascension deckbuilding lol

[civic ocean]

You spin

and then

You spin

[bleak night]

relax and play asc 1

fight elites for fat relic stacks

[mystic bison]

Exceptional talent is really difficult to get with forsaking

[analog osprey]

more elites = more relics = easier than asc 0

[tender flint]

@tall notch whats ur favorite build for eos

[tall notch]

Yeah you'll probably be using your 10 rerolls to make sure the prerequisites don't get forsaken

[civic ocean]

This is the only acceptable use case for the Pencil Meta

[jagged haven]

Question about Power, how does it work? Like, lets say I get +4 Power to my Omega Special and my Omega Special would normally do 10 damage, how much would it do with 4+ Power?

[analog osprey]

14

[tall notch]

It's not high fear viable but I love passion dash start into Apollo + Aphro duo

[tough hamlet]

I think just 14 damage

[tall notch]

Or passion dash into AQ scorch

[analog osprey]

but if you have +50% dmg to special that goes from 15 to 21 dmg

[mystic bison]

And after you blow the rerolls you remember you actually forsook some prerequisites 4 rooms before... pencil meta is hard

[tender flint]

ooh havent tried that one but my personal favorite i think this is the most common one is hestia and hera and get there duo its so good

[jagged haven]

ah i see, thank you thank you. I thought so but my mind was just not registering how it worked

[analog osprey]

add power to the weapon's starting damage, but before any percentage-increasing boons

[civic ocean]

Hades 2 calculates damage on non-critical attacks as Power x %damage increases

Increases to power increase the left side of the equation, while %damage increases increase the right side.

If you've ever played Balatro, power is like Chips, and %damage is like Mult

[tall notch]

Hera-Hestia duo is alright too, played around with it a bit but scorch just isn't doing much outside of AQ and you are not assembling AQ when going for the duo

[bleak night]

I've half a mind to run Than axe with white antler for the meme

[analog osprey]

60% crit chance of glory

[tall notch]

Synergy since antler doesn't want to get hit and Than doesn't want to get hit!

[reef stratus]

I'm trying to do a 24 fear run with daggers, any ideas?

[analog osprey]

you could bump it up higher with artemis showing up and death

[tall notch]

Poseidon start Pan should be chill

[civic ocean]

zeus cast + 60% crit big chop

[bleak night]

I'm kinda sad pressure points only goes to like 6% now

[analog osprey]

aph or demeter for unga bunga left click

[reef stratus]

I assume im just chucking daggers then

[tender flint]

i dont do scorch at all pretty much I just run hera attack and then like hestia cast its personally the best yes the scorch is weak but the origination buff plus just attack boon from chaos helps. What AQ havent learned abrevation yet

[tall notch]

Yeah pretty much, and getting the good hammers for ridiculous burst

[reef stratus]

any ideas what fear and arcanas i should choose or avoid

[tall notch]

Air quality. Zeus' infusion. Costs 5 air and it makes scorch deal actual damage

[civic ocean]

wow Doonk is learning about Air Quality Scorch

[analog osprey]

could you pom it in h1? i forgot

[tall notch]

Also if you want a cast that'll proc origination on Eos, take Demeter @tender flint

[bleak night]

I'm believing in AQ Scorch now

[civic ocean]

All this time I didn't even read what the zeus hestia duo is

[bleak night]

Yeah, you could pom it iirc

[tender flint]

yeah either her or hestia i just love the hera hestia duo

[spare kite]

yeah but is a waste (better off pomming hunter's mark)

[civic ocean]

There's no shot SGG didn't intend AQ to work with scorch given what Thermal Dynamics is, right?

[analog osprey]

lets be real, white antler's crit chance is already insane

[bleak night]

true, just need Heph to help me stack armour and I'll be good to go

[tender flint]

it will prob be slightly nerfed or atleast adjusted

[tall notch]

What's Thermal Dynamics? Last time I did physics was in middle school

[bleak night]

I think that's the Blitz one

[civic ocean]

Zeus Hestia duo that makes blitz apply 90 scorch

[analog osprey]

heat transfer something

[tall notch]

OH it's a boon

[bleak night]

[tall notch]

I thought you're talking about like a real life physics thing and how it makes air quality scorch a realistic interaction

[civic ocean]

There's no way a game designer sat down, made that duo boon, and didn't like test the interaction

[analog osprey]

it really feels like old doom when you can just spread both around

[tall notch]

a game designer did design Momus and let it roll double moonshot

[bleak night]

if I'm running Than Axe with antler, should I just run Strength and leave Centaur on ?

[civic ocean]

they just wanted us to feel powerful before the balance patch

[bleak night]

Strength with armour stacks would be wonderful I feel like

[tall notch]

If you're not tryharding something high you can keep centaur, it's easy to tank hits and get yourself below 30 safely in most regions

[bleak night]

I'll mostly just do it on only 10 fear, so it shouldn't be an issue to test for a meme

[analog osprey]

centaur is about 30/35/40 max hp and strength over the course of a underground run anyway

[bleak night]

do I run Hera/Heph and go for the duo

[tall notch]

In Oceanus you can explode the things before first "real" room, fields got the bushes right away

[bleak night]

because that'd be really fun to get, no ?

[tall notch]

To get yourself below 30

[tall notch]

Do itttttttttttt

[bleak night]

I'm thinking of doing Hera-Heph-Poseidon and stacking money

[tall notch]

Capitalism speedrun

[bleak night]

Hera-Heph and Hera-Poseidon duo for fat damage

yea I can give it a go, I'll run a Heph keepsake in Erebus

[acoustic remnant]

hi

[tender flint]

hi

[bleak night]

Helloooo friend

I just got linda to play Hades II yesterday

[acoustic remnant]

true

[bleak night]

she plays a lot of 1, just needed that nudge

[analog osprey]

its still funny how zeus and hera both have "duo" boons for each other, but hera gets more levels than zeus does
"duo" is used loosely

[tender flint]

nic3

[plain fossil]

Did u end up making funny freezes in the end

[bleak night]

sadly, no. I didn't get the boons for it

[acoustic remnant]

he forced me to play it after like a few weeks of asking lmao

[civic ocean]

damn a few weeks game has only been out a couple

[bleak night]

you have Hades brainrot now and all you can think about is Sea Storm, so you're welcome

[acoustic remnant]

LMFAO whose fault is that

[bleak night]

Hades 1

[tough hamlet]

What do build do you guys usually use for aspect of pan

[bleak night]

people usually spam Poseidon special and a cast with a status, like Demeter or Aphro

[civic ocean]

Spiteful Slow Cooker

[acoustic remnant]

I just started hades 2 yesterday but im pretty sure mynt asked me to play from the day it dropped lol

[timber pawn]

32 Medea done, I am shaking lol

[bleak night]

gaming

[tall notch]

I ran Elsa torches earlier today! But ended up turning it into AQ scorch eventually since I was given natural Zeus, natural Hestia and Chaos just really wanted to give me elements

[bleak night]

What did you build on it, exactly ?

[civic ocean]

trip earth?

[timber pawn]

tried for it but no dice

[acoustic remnant]

I low-key like the knives ngl but I haven’t unlocked anything else

[tough hamlet]

yeah honestly I do the same thing I was just wondering if everyone else had the same idea 😭

[bleak night]

you'll find a weapon you prefer yet, since you're just starting out

[acoustic remnant]

posideon and hestia are fun here

[bleak night]

people are loving AQ Scorch rn for some reason lol. Give it a try

[bleak night]

Poseidon is disgustingly good rn

[tall notch]

AQ Scorch is a cult

[analog osprey]

hestia: do you want to become a pyromaniac, dearie?

[civic ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[acoustic remnant]

btw why is hestia basically dionysus from hades 1

[bleak night]

Do I play AQ Scorch on Axe or what

[tough hamlet]

What does AQ stand for 🧍‍♂️

[bleak night]

Scorch on Axe attack looks amazing, too bad it's not very good

[tall notch]

Special tap spam AQ scorch

[civic ocean]

honestly if you get thermal dynamics on spin its probably amazing

[bleak night]

kinda, but she has a damage cap on the damage per sec ticks

[acoustic remnant]

been there done that irl just ask any of my lab partners in high school

[analog osprey]

air quality - if you have 5 air, you always deal at least 30 dmg per hit - zeus infusion

[tough hamlet]

Ohhh ok yeah that sounds busted wtf

[bleak night]

so what do I do for this run ? low HP White Antler Than Axe or do I go for funni scorch + Thermal ?

[tall notch]

Do antler this time, AQ scorch next

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243019591052034088/image.png?ex=664ff3b4&is=664ea234&hm=f5cd971352758cdc60412a944017b46b3820fae07b73d9f9e946a741434eb331&

[bleak night]

Alright, that's fair

[acoustic remnant]

u should stream

[timber pawn]

I had two hp after room chaos boons lol and I left healing on at 50%

[bleak night]

this place has no VC I can stream my gameplay into

[civic ocean]

Chronos once again with the belt

[acoustic remnant]

u could just stream elsewhere

[timber pawn]

the build was like, nothing, as you can see

[tall notch]

For how difficult it is to set up, it's not OP really

[acoustic remnant]

I need to get food first tho

[bleak night]

I'd rather just hope into a VC and leave it there

[acoustic remnant]

why is there no vc here

[tall notch]

That 405 dmg taken from Chronos sounds like Medea alright

[bleak night]

it's the company's official Discord

[timber pawn]

as I went I was actually getting the hang of it, I managed cerb with 0 damage

for bosses you want to load multiple shells and wait for your windows to attack, I think

[bleak night]

what can I swap for Strength ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243020122831065139/image.png?ex=664ff433&is=664ea2b3&hm=1fc09b762d0a4a41d6f985c279e48c739983065432f08cce0c354f1aa83726e4&

[tall notch]

At this point I'd just rather run Melinoë and send my attacks from a distance

[tough hamlet]

I see I see

[tall notch]

Then pick the skulls back up whenever it's safe

[timber pawn]

oh fun fact, I accidentally started this run with chaos keepsake. AND I got Selene room 1 lmao. Chaos gave me an attack damage boon so it evened out but what an absolute mess this run was

[civic ocean]

on antler you can drop orig titan if you're doing spiteful

[bleak night]

I'll remove those two then, sure

I'm going to go for boonless Attack, so I won't be focusing on status curses

[tall notch]

Oh yeah Titan shouldn't be there for antler runs unless you desperately need the mana

[civic ocean]

Mynt gonna get spiteful and prime all mana

[bleak night]

luckily both Hera-Pos and Hera-Heph duos just need Born Gain from Hera

[split igloo]

What the hell is aspect of momus on? It made me clear 20 fear for the first time

[bleak night]

I'm doing no primer vow atm, just doing a run for fun to test damage

[bleak night]

it'll get nerfed probs

[split igloo]

Yeah, it's insane.

[tall notch]

40 fear on Momus is 32 fear on other weapons, that is how good it is

[tender flint]

do yall think that they need to increase grasp capacity personally no, I find it highly balanced but some arcana need tweaks

[civic ocean]

I like how it works atm

[tender flint]

same

[tall notch]

I want them to increase it to 32 because I'm a nerd and I like powers of 2

[tender flint]

I hear some people feel it needs buffs

[civic ocean]

Unseen and Artificer need some buffs but otherwise it's all good

[pastel elm]

every single day makes me miss stubborn defiance more and more

[civic ocean]

that's a keepsake now!

[tall notch]

I'm glad I never learned to play with stubborn

[tender flint]

same

[ionic moon]

if/when selene gets buffed, maybe Night buffs are part of it

[civic ocean]

I think Night is quite good as is, just that Hexes are stinky

[tall notch]

Why is room 1 hex a thing Why is room 1 hex a thing Why is room 1 hex a thing Why is room 1 hex a thing Why is room 1 hex a thing Why is room 1 hex a thing

[analog osprey]

sgg telling you to put the game away?

[bleak night]

you have 550 runs take a break

[timber pawn]

LOL

[tall notch]

It didn't happen to me right now, I'm not in game just sharing my general hex sentiment since Selene's being discussed rn

[civic ocean]

I wonder if like the best player at Hades 2 on the SGG team is like a Hex spammer and they were winning all of their runs with Hexes and the team was like ooooo we gotta be careful!

[tender flint]

they will have to tweak it like I only take maybe 3 of them

[tall notch]

@DarrenKorb

[analog osprey]

could be that hexes start underpowered so buffing them can be safely done

but i didnt quite think that every hex would be... y'know

[tall notch]

Hey just because my run history is having likely integer overflow issues doesn't mean I did too many runs

[ionic moon]

it was probably just one of the last features added

[tender flint]

THE MAJOR THING I HATE IS WHY TF IF IM ACTIVATING MY HEX I TAKE DMG I CANT MOVE I CANT DEFEND I CANT DO ANYTHING WHY AM I PUNISHED FOR TRYIGNG TO ACTIVATE IT

[plain fossil]

Well tbf hexes are a lot better on low heat where early hex doesnt instabrick ur run

Its possible theyve just balanced the game around that

I would prefer if that wasnt the case just throwing the thought out there

[civic ocean]

I hope Darren reads my feedback and lets me toggle Thrashing for the Chronos fight

[summer root]

Titan of Time (Thrashing)

[analog osprey]

pick and choose bgm would be 100% epic

[civic ocean]

Thrashing into Tartarus is my favourite Korb track maybe ever it has like personal meaning and is also just an absolute banger

But you have to skip it usually on timer runs

[tall notch]

But yeah after you put that thought in my head I'll be blaming Darren Korb for every Selene start I get

[civic ocean]

Is he like canonically the best player at the game

[tall notch]

There was some video where they said he had the best speedrun times at the team

I think it might've been the dev reactions to fresh file speedrun? Not sure

[civic ocean]

With hexes too imagine what he could do without them

We're all just gonna yell DARREN KORB every time we get a selene start now huh

[tall notch]

Well I am

[plain fossil]

The other option would be to let us reroll room 1 reward, i think i wouldnt like that but just wanna see what ppl think

[strange kite]

yep. i believe it was either 12 or 13 minutes

[tall notch]

Would onion reroll into another onion or a boon?

[ionic moon]

they might as well, people are effectively rerolling it anyway the old fashioned way

[strange kite]

so nobody on the team is like a super speedrun pro

[plain fossil]

One presumes it would reroll into a leek or similar

[civic ocean]

12-13 minutes while using hexes? That's a WR

[strange kite]

no i mean in hades 1

it would be funny tho with hexes. i can see the jump hex being fine as a movement option

i mean it is fine. it’s at least a hex that does something which isn’t nothing but it should still be better

[tall notch]

The hex abilties themselves are cool, the upgrade tree is cool but there's just a lot of little inconvenient things about them that add up and ultimately make them feel bad

[civic ocean]

We just have to ask Darren how to unlock their potential

(do not ask Darren about this)

[tall notch]

Can I ask about pencil meta tips?

[jovial cove]

who is Darren

[civic ocean]

Oh he's my cousin

Sorry my cousin is Derrick, Darren is the audio guy for SGG

[bleak night]

Poseidon just double up'd my Major Path of Stars twice in a row

[tall notch]

YOU ARE UNLOCKING THE HEX META

[civic ocean]

This is the Korb build

[tender flint]

ok watching video aspect of pan what boons and what arcana cause I can never seem to make it work

I cant wait for hex only runs

[tall notch]

Pan aspect feels like "get out of Erebus somehow and you won" to me

[ionic lily]

Poseidon truly the best Hex enabler

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243025372589850705/image.png?ex=664ff917&is=664ea797&hm=e52239bc3db61976bf42c70ebc3691675c1d3fe44b2048333595cd6430799f3f& Air fryer but I forsaken'd hestia's attack

[tall notch]

AIR FRYER

[tender flint]

this I struggle early to much with it

[tall notch]

What fear are we talking?

[tender flint]

any

[spare kite]

also first time using silver wheel, this is nice

[tender flint]

silver wheel? is that a keepsake

[karmic gust]

Fr it’s like having serenity permanently if you use Mel aspect staff

[spare kite]

hecate's, you can see it in the screenshot

[tall notch]

Then just take Pos special at the start and look for hammers/max mana pickups/something that regens mana. Pan builds itself if your run lasts long enough and on low fear Pos special spam should get you through early game

[tender flint]

got it any specific arcana

[tall notch]

Not getting mana regen and swapping for Hecate keepsake late game seems to be a theme with us air fryer gamers 🤭

[timber pawn]

I want this to catch in we all just need to shout DARREN WHY, every time we get Selene start

[spare kite]

I could've gotten hestia's at last shop but just took burnt offering instead lmao

[plain fossil]

Get to first hammer and pleasedontsuckpleasedontsuckpleasedontsuck more like

[tender flint]

does darren like his hexs havent really payed attention to the team itsefl

[tall notch]

Furies is nice because you'll usually have your enemies inside your cast when you're sending the special, origination is lovely too since you'll get one curse from Poseidon's slip and your cast should get you the other

[tender flint]

thx

[plain fossil]

I like aiming for pos demeter hera on pan

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243026693304745984/image.png?ex=664ffa52&is=664ea8d2&hm=2a9e2cadc2bb4b7b0722f58be82552f32be99cba3a92e187e99ead39de19f1fe& ...

[plain fossil]

Pos hera heph is also acceptable

[timber pawn]

We were just joking that someone at ssg must have won too many runs with hexes during internal playtesting so they nerfed hexes

[plain fossil]

Im a freeze enjoyer tho

[tender flint]

oh got it that makes sense most of my 32 heat runs originally lost due to hex starts

[plain fossil]

U dont actually need hera on pan daggers its a lot smoother but u can get by fine with fluid gain because daggers procs very fast

[civic ocean]

Calling my parents to tell them im famous for coming up with Air Fryer but I will after sure

[civic ocean]

I am definitely doing it on stream if I remember

[plain fossil]

Yall need to teach me how to make these air fryer builds not have defensive problems

[tall notch]

Offense is the best defense

[civic ocean]

It's easier to not get hit when scorch is doing the dmg

[spare kite]

keep your hp above 0 while the enemies burn

[tender flint]

whats air fryer and what weapon is it good on?

[civic ocean]

It's WABS actually

Weapon
Agnostic
Boon
Stacking

[plain fossil]

Its ok u can just say SKILL ISSUE LMAO SCRUB i wont get offended

[tender flint]

to complicated explain it like im a gorilla

[civic ocean]

No like unironically once you stack up enough Scorch you can kinda just sit back and look for tells

[spare kite]

tbf my answer is I just play at low fear

[tall notch]

But to be serious @plain fossil, when attempting high fear air fryer I simply played it really aggro. And by the time AQ came online I had enough damage to just play it safe

[spare kite]

I look at the pacts, go and just nah

[plain fossil]

Alright i will try

[civic ocean]

Use Forsaking!

[timber pawn]

I really need to get nitro again so I can start kekw reacting

[tender flint]

no like actually what do those words mean I am kinda\ slow

[civic ocean]

It's just a dumb in joke Doonk don't worry about it

[tender flint]

ok

god i am slow

[timber pawn]

No brother this is an obscure joke based on a spirited discussion the other day

[spare kite]

low fear is just forsaking + fo1 (whatever the speed one is called)

[civic ocean]

Air Fryer is good on any weapon that can quickly stack up scorch, so like pan for instance

[tender flint]

nice

[spare kite]

I should start fo2 tbh

[civic ocean]

Fury

[cloud fog]

hello fellow Hades kings and queens. I have a bit of an embarrassing question, I don't understand the playstyle for Aspect of Medea on skull. Any pointers that could be shared would be great ty ❤️

[tall notch]

@tender flint air fryer is a catchy name for the air quality builds that want to get a source of scorch and then zeus' infusion which raises the damage of each damage source to 30 minimum because that works on scorch ticks

[tender flint]

wait thats actually insanely broken

[analog osprey]

attack, hit special - attack more before hitting with special if you can

[tall notch]

The power level is high but reasonable for the amount of setup required, you need to get 5 wind when one of your gods is already guaranteed to have no wind + you need to get air quality itself

[analog osprey]

notably all skulls detonate as separate damage instances and can break through armor if you load enough before hitting with special

[pastel delta]

I got Concentrated Flurry, Marauder Slice, and Dancing Knives hammers in the very first room for Twin Blades, what should I take? lol

[cloud fog]

okay i thought that was the idea but wanted to double check i wasnt missing something

thank you!

[analog osprey]

most of the time i just load 1 shell for normal enemies and rinse and repeat

[tall notch]

I do not know how to Medea and at this point I'm thinking I'll never learn it. Risky melee playstyles just don't mesh with me

In rooms I can crutch on freeze but bosses ruin me with Medea

I wasn't great at being safe with Baewulf in Hades 1 and that had frontal block

[ionic moon]

Medea feels so rough without Beowulf's natural shield immunity

[spare kite]

Sgg should give it a hammer that swaps the special rush for a projectile

And idk make it 80 base dmg and pierces shields

[tall notch]

I know you're joking but that's pretty much that omega attack hammer which makes it shoot forward

I'll try to do my skulls with antler Melinoë I think, I can't Medea

[spare kite]

I'm just asking for charged shot back
aka one of the most broken hammers H1 had lmfao

[civic ocean]

okay @solemn loom my parents decided they'd rather talk to my grandma hmu with the link

[plain fossil]

I also find mel skulls much less stressful, if kinda underpowered

[spare kite]

Mel skull feels just about right for a basic aspect

[jovial cove]

mel skull is probably the best tbh

media felt good when I did that one challenge region that gave me the triple shot hammer. only had to load once to get all 3 fired

[tall notch]

Antler should compensate for the lack of late game scaling and +2 skulls hammer should make it pump. Someone in this discord ran 40 fear Mel skull like that

[analog osprey]

for anyone who doesnt know:
persephone needs 5k damage to full charge its gimmick
100 dmg dealt = 0.1s of charge
at 0.5s of charge or more you can use its gimmick

[lunar lance]

I like the idea of Persephone skull, but trying it out in the training area, it just feels like it loads way too slow

[bleak night]

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[civic ocean]

kk

[spring cloud]

Poseidon’s Double Up works on SELENE MOONS??? I just completed the entire path of stars in two encounters

[bleak night]

Yep, neat right ?

[lunar lance]

Yep.

[spare kite]

YES, HAHA - pos

[civic ocean]

It works on triple poms and double hearts/mana

[jovial cove]

my stumbling block with persephone is that I need to use my Ω special to pick up my skulls safely. I can't store it for later without something having to give.

[lunar lance]

Man, Hera's boons are just really cynical in theming, aren't they?

[lunar lance]

Seems like a job for Poseidon dash

[jovial cove]

does it make you invincible

[spring cloud]

REAL neat

[lunar lance]

No, but it knocks enemies away on contact.

So you could sprint to a skull, knock away the fodder surrounding it

[plain fossil]

We need funny dps number gifs

[jovial cove]

I don't think that helps with projectiles
but hestia dash might

[lunar lance]

Hestia definitely works against projectiles

[timber pawn]

Itshappening.gif is this a high fear run?

[civic ocean]

No skulls only cast

Only use skulls to kill melee range

[bleak night]

nah meme run

[jovial cove]

cast builds meter?

[timber pawn]

No he's just suggesting using persephone as a stat stick that makes omega casts stronger

Which is a viable strat

[jovial cove]

oh is that not just the special

[analog osprey]

you might be able to use the full 5s of extended omega special if you have good cast build once per area

[timber pawn]

Ya omega cast is holding down cast button

[timber pawn]

Ya thats about the rate of gain, maybe 1.5 times per area haha.

[tall notch]

Weapon agnostic boon stacking meta

[jovial cove]

might do a chaos dunk playstyle with persephone

[timber pawn]

Classic WABS

[jovial cove]

but I spent all my nightmares upgrading medea for the trial

[timber pawn]

Medea is honestly pretty fun, but it is a bit hard to use for sure

[tall notch]

It's WABSin time

[analog osprey]

just spam the cast or omega cast for trial and get the max magick room

[glossy rivet]

Can you get HAHA YES with poms?

[timber pawn]

I think my first clear was technically wabs. I was just using base mel staff, and won with a cast build of some sort. I'd have to check

[spare kite]

if its a resource assume that you can

[timber pawn]

Yes you can

[jovial cove]

like I said they gave me full salvo for the trial and that was fun
don't want to have to rely on that in a run though

[analog osprey]

yes - i even got it on the +2 poms

[glossy rivet]

So basically only boons are exempt from YES HAHA

[analog osprey]

we got echo for that

[spare kite]

(so those extra dice and elements from narci too)

[timber pawn]

Medea does enough damage that honestly you usually only want to load one at a time

[glossy rivet]

Oh yeah last night i popped off a YES HAHAAA on the tartarus detour drops

I got like 1200 gold from affluence + HAHA YES

I should really try a dedicated double up run

[jovial cove]

I'm sorry what is a "max magic room"

[spare kite]

I hope that double up never goes haha, no :c

[glossy rivet]

HAHA YESS start

[tall notch]

It'd be cool if my run history worked

[timber pawn]

That is a real bummer

[timber pawn]

Do both parts of it crash or just the long list one

[glossy rivet]

Hadws 1 run history ui was better

[tall notch]

I think it's just the long list but honestly haven't tried the other in a while

I WABSed too much and got punished for it. Karma 😔

[bleak night]

gamebar refusing to record for some reason

[spare kite]

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do I just eat the dmg

[timber pawn]

So you have a mana regen or no, I'd take the elements one

[spare kite]

no regen

[plain fossil]

Theyre all good honestly ur not giving up much if u take one of the other boons

[timber pawn]

Hera keepsake zone 2 and take option 1

That enables hermes 20% damage

Which is pretty nice

[spare kite]

eh y'know what, wanna go for dem's duo too actually

[plain fossil]

I swear chaos keepsake is rigged btw i always get gathering buff now