h2-builds-and-combat

[mental sluice]

Any advice for higher fear torch builds? Closest I've come is by spamming the Poseidon special but that feels unsatisfying.

[mystic bison]

Play Eos

[trim thistle]

I did mine with the dash one

[zenith bolt]

mel aspect + aphro special or eos + hera attack and hera magick regen

[mystic bison]

Eos is a much easier time than Mel aspect

[spare kite]

Cat is funny to get the last chronos hit

[mystic bison]

And Eos is more fun too

[merry flint]

i gotta know what am i running that im running into some insane quality boons

[zenith bolt]

if you highroll born gain (like epic/heroic) you can go for demeter to get weed killer and coarse grit

[merry flint]

just got offered Heroic Geyser Blast and King's Tide

[analog osprey]

eos + zeus's "prime 50 for chain lightning"

[mental sluice]

I've had a couple of fun runs with the Mel aspect + Aphro where I focus on heartthrob, but I struggled with survivability on higher fear. I'll give Eos a try

[zenith bolt]

demeter is good for activating origination, as well

[merry flint]

Demeter origination is my fav

[zenith bolt]

and freeze/cyclone are nice cc

[mystic bison]

My go to is Born Gain start into this build right here https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242099076930207774/Screenshot_4054.png?ex=664f3d69&is=664debe9&hm=76a9f23c5cdc4d3bc9f44af4f9760f87984a00a8cf1e8179a1c10e54031e627e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=729&height=417

[merry flint]

because freeze/cyclone are such fantastic effects to proc them with and its a 2 in one cast deal

god going from momus to Skulls/Torches is gonna be such whiplash

[zenith bolt]

yeah this is the hera demeter eos cookie cutter p much

heph is the ideal 3rd god i think, given he gives more earth and defensive stuff

[civic ocean]

Earth core is pretty good on any wep tbh

[fringe lichen]

best circe staff build?

[zenith bolt]

yeah, hera dem is just really solid all around

hera heph also good but no coarse grit and activating origination kinda stinky

[bleak night]

+ is class

[analog osprey]

i guess you can spend mana like water

[sour cape]

Hera Dem seems like the way to go

[civic ocean]

I think the best Circe build is probably Apollo Legendary hunting, maybe with AQ Scorch as a backup plan for Bosses

[bleak night]

you know how that weapon encourages you to attack 21 times ?

[zenith bolt]

dem heph is also probably real just off of infinite defensive value but damage is gonna be lacking unless omega attack build

weed killer saves the day

[fringe lichen]

obviously, i can read

[civic ocean]

Origination makes up for the dmg they lack too sort of

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242833238435565620/attack_speed_attack_speed.mp4?ex=664f4626&is=664df4a6&hm=6bb8f2fa327d04b7e6fdd2c74d0bbc4797c0fa4e54b2da78fdea60ed6033f8cd&

[sour cape]

How bout cast dmg?

[zenith bolt]

dem cast damage isnt terrible ig? but isnt comparable to zeus/apollo

[sour cape]

Zeus Apollo Dem has no good mana

[civic ocean]

Dem is good for the Omega Cast stuff because of Local Climate and Downpour

[sour cape]

Well Apollos ok 😭

[zenith bolt]

just bank on my GOAT chaos

[bleak night]

I don't recommend this one btw, it's kinda meh

[civic ocean]

Stand still

[merry flint]

girl power

[bleak night]

...

[civic ocean]

Also take Silver Wheel for Tartarus

[sour cape]

Thats just terrible

[merry flint]

this is funny cuz standing still in cast would be insane regen

[mystic bison]

Zeus gotta be the worst gain boon in the game

[merry flint]

totally worth doing

[civic ocean]

You can't get both sadly

[sour cape]

Zeus gain gotta be worst boon 😂

[zenith bolt]

chaos magick regen i rely on for charon bc lucid and ionic gain both suck ass for it

[fringe lichen]

damn

[zenith bolt]

that or i hope for good 3rd god rng ig

[jovial cove]

I am a tranquil gain believer.

[mystic bison]

Charon aspect loooves Zeus

[civic ocean]

it's better than you think on axe since both omega attack and omega special can give time towards tranquil

[analog osprey]

apparently armor can shieldgate 500 dmg from chaos

[jovial cove]

It's not the best gain boon but if you utilize hex correctly you can get good value out of tranquil

[sour cape]

wtf no, you end up with not enough mana to do 25

so thats terrible, cant use omega attack

[mystic bison]

Not the gain boon, just Zeus in general

[rain hazel]

For the aspect of Moros, is the exposion considered an attack or special>

[sour cape]

Oh yea his cast supports good

[zenith bolt]

hestia usable, pos probably usable, heph usable in a pinch, aphro is ok with dash boon, dem i have my opinions about

hera obviously best

[mystic bison]

I randomly got Zeus legendary on my Charon run earlier, it was funny

[timber pawn]

Great question, don't have a real answer, but I assume attack because the attack is exploding

[spare kite]

Zeus legendary makes me sad

[zenith bolt]

i had a better idea for zeus legendary yesterday

it was like

Your Blitz effects deal damage without causing Blitz to expire.
or something

[mystic bison]

They gotta buff it to at least 10%

[zenith bolt]

so the only limiter on your blitz damage would be the internal cd

• synergy with toasting fork

[spare kite]

It should work on bosses /j

[sour cape]

But ideally you want Demeter for the cast dmg and cyclone, Zeus for ranged cast and duo, Apollo for lots of stuff

[trim thistle]

Blitz automatically triggers

[sour cape]

So then its over for mana unless Chaos

[civic ocean]

You want Tranquil Gain because it is a gain of some kind which also is a piece of the duo boon with Apollo

[tired fulcrum]

Just make zeus legendary smite an enemy every something seconds and if it hits a boss it can do 1k or something idk

[fleet slate]

I am trying to complete a full run through the underworld. Are there any suggested builds I could use?

[sour cape]

Tranquil is too terrible, just cyclone dash 😭

[mystic bison]

Apollo just on cast for Charon is fine enough

[analog osprey]

what weapon do you like using

[trim thistle]

Tranquil can be decent if it's just gain mana wo attacking

[sour cape]

Yea

[fleet slate]

I mostly like using the staff

[mystic bison]

Although fishing for Apollo legendary on Charon seems fun but hard to achieve kinda

[sour cape]

tranquil would be good if its gain for not attacking

[zenith bolt]

tranquil with the same activation conditions as phoenix skin would be better imo

[sour cape]

Not moving is dumb

[zenith bolt]

(not taking or dealing damage)

[sour cape]

Lucid also kind of annoying to use

But less annoying than tranquil

[zenith bolt]

i think ionic gain should just be a flat reduction to your magick (as-is, it kinda just destroys your build if you have any notable amount of priming happening--particularly easy to do with zeus' own boons as well as vow of arrogance)

[sour cape]

Zeus gain should be reworked

[civic ocean]

Tranquil gain is quite fine on axe I think if you just remember to sit still at the end of your attack/special

[zenith bolt]

the only synergy here is 0 magick build with spirit surge

[civic ocean]

At least, it will get you to Tartarus, and then you can go Silver Wheel

[sour cape]

But then missing Blackened Fleece

[zenith bolt]

silver wheel i think works from mourning fields to end of run unless your damage sucks

[night gazelle]

Does Braid of Atlas affect Zeus/Apollo omega cast?

[civic ocean]

If you have the duos the one thing that build does NOT need is more dmg

[zenith bolt]

it's cast damage so i believe yes

[sour cape]

If you didnt hit duos 😭

and all you got is no mana regen and no disaster

[zenith bolt]

glorious disaster is pretty consistent for me by mourning fields, and apollo is fine on his own until then

[civic ocean]

I mean if you didn't hit either duo and you made it past cerb okay I guess go fleece? but also like just go wheel and take a couple extra rooms

[sour cape]

If you didnt get Solar Ring 😭😭

[zenith bolt]

sirens are super vulnerable to aoe and hecate is mostly free regardless

[civic ocean]

Why didn't you roll for solar ring thats the point of the build

[mystic bison]

I got glorious disaster in Erebus earlier lol, super lucky run

[zenith bolt]

if you're not getting solar ring idk run 10 rerolls

or just cry bc its selene start run (you will die on location 4)

[sour cape]

Cos didnt take the boon reroll 😭

Champions 💀💀

[civic ocean]

That's like playing momus poseidon and being like "what if no wave flourish 😦 😦 :("

[zenith bolt]

momus would probably still be decent with most flourish boons

[sour cape]

Should prob start Apollo

[zenith bolt]

10 rerolls is muy helpful for getting duos

[civic ocean]

Starting Apo fine, but you should be taking 10 rerolls if you want to go for 2x duos

[sour cape]

But then you giving ip Moon or Origination

[rain hazel]

Which torch do you guys prefer? Im using Moros which I thought would be nice, but I feel like the time it takes to get to my attack Omega takes longer than my special/special omega so seems hard to synergize

[sour cape]

and if taking Moon and Origination, cant reroll 😭

[civic ocean]

Origination not necessary, you do preposterous dmg without it

[sour cape]

How bout skipping moon?

[zenith bolt]

i like eos but it's kinda just preference between it and mel imo

[civic ocean]

do not skip moon

[sour cape]

😭

[civic ocean]

what are your arcana

[sour cape]

got sprintspeed and Moon rather than Champion

[zenith bolt]

eos can be funny at times but is v reliant on certain boons to be functional

[sour cape]

its pray for Apollo and a good mana boon

[zenith bolt]

namely born gain, but fixed and fluid gain can also work

[civic ocean]

nono something funky here what's the full setup

I smell an Unseen player

[sour cape]

No Unseen, i use the starting gold

So first row on top cept for Huntress

[zenith bolt]

boatman but not champions?

this is cursed

[sour cape]

Yea... maybe should do Unseen 😭

[civic ocean]

Drop Wayward for sure

[sour cape]

Wayward Son healing though 👀👀

But true if got no healing fear

[civic ocean]

wow +2 hp per room meanwhile I can't get Solar Ring on my Solar Ring build

[sour cape]

its like +4

[zenith bolt]

i dont think wayward son is the constraint here

going for divinity probably is the real issue

[sour cape]

Hmmm i dont have Divinity

[zenith bolt]

oh no huntress i cant read

[sour cape]

Or Huntress

[zenith bolt]

i mean drop death i think

[tall notch]

What are fixed and fluid? I don't remember the names || except born and tranquil gain ||

[civic ocean]

from teh charon guide I have:

Sorc
Death
Mess
Furies
Titan
Lovers
Runner
Eternity
Cent
Moon
Fates
Boat
Seer
Champ

[zenith bolt]

fixed is heph--you get 10% damage resistance and restore x magick when taking damage

fluid is poseidon--you have x% chance go spawn a spirit bubble that restores 20 magick when you deal damage

[bleak night]

is this for max rerolls ?

[zenith bolt]

sorc doesnt even activate on omega special though.

[civic ocean]

This is max rerolls and max omega cast dmg

[sour cape]

I got Origination and Wayward Son instead of Champ

[bleak night]

ah, Charon

[civic ocean]

Yeah I use omega attack so I don't die in erebus/oceanus

But you can cut sorc for wayward its cool

[tall notch]

I wouldn't play Heph even if it technically does work on Eos tbf, both Apollo and Demeter are better for actual mana regen

[sour cape]

Maybe the only way is just prayge wuth bo rerolls

[tall notch]

Maybe in a coarse grit tank build ig?

[zenith bolt]

eh, magick regen that lets you keep holding the funny button is a win in my eyes

[civic ocean]

No it definitely is possible to play 10 rerolls comfortably

[zenith bolt]

dem heph eos will be real in 3

[sour cape]

I guess Moon is better than Origination?

[civic ocean]

on Charon? Much

[sour cape]

I guess fan drop Origination and Sprint 😭

[civic ocean]

You can drop sorc origination or wayward origination

[sour cape]

cos not gettign Solar Ring is pretty bad

[zenith bolt]

i wonder how quickly you can make coarse grit come online

[bleak night]

I honestly think Unseen should just be built in rather than an Arcana

[tall notch]

Technically Erebus is possible

[civic ocean]

if it's gonna cost 5 grasp it should be unironically 10 mana/sec

[tall notch]

With Chaos highroll

[civic ocean]

the common chaos mana regen is more IIRC

[zenith bolt]

common chaos magick is like 8 i think

[bleak night]

I'll go play some more Pyre, so I'll take a break for a bit. Catch ya all

[sour cape]

How bout Chaos trinket high rolling for mana?

[civic ocean]

No just STAND STILL for like half a second

[sour cape]

Is that a strat? 👀

[tall notch]

Just take Hecate's at this point

More reliable

[zenith bolt]

this is worse than the "gambling on crystal figurine activating judgment" theorycrafting that was happening the other day

[timber pawn]

Man haelian can't get out of his own way. He almost got a sub 8 but grabbed a max hp via misclick in the last shop and turned off antler

[civic ocean]

Take Wheel for Tart for sure but in the meantime every time you Charon dunk just literally say out loud to yourself "one one-thousand" and don't move and you will actually never run out of mana very often

[tall notch]

If only he played aq scorch

[civic ocean]

bro didn't play forasking he can't be helped

[sour cape]

Is forsaking actually a buff?

[civic ocean]

link him my spreadsheet he'll learn

[zenith bolt]

it can be, though it can be a detriment if you highroll a boon choice

[tall notch]

Is that a theorycrafted 55 fear strat? Does figurine work when you have arcana disabled?

[zenith bolt]

no, it was mainly the idea of activating every arcana at once in a run

[timber pawn]

Probably the only option for 55 fear, if I had to guess

[tall notch]

Forsaking can help thin out boon pool but its lows are run-ending low

[tall notch]

Thing is, you're prob not making it out of Erebus in 5 mins with figurine

[zenith bolt]

which, in theory, is possible (assuming crystal figurine can summon judgment)

[civic ocean]

Yeah you gotta be smart about it, like at some point you go "hmm okay no more of X boon anymore" in fields

[sour cape]

It can, Ive gotten Judgement

But Judgement then needs another boss to do ajything

[spare kite]

The highroll of all time

[timber pawn]

Highrolling everything you'd want, maybe?

[sour cape]

RNG guide me

[zenith bolt]

you can set up your cards to where theres like 8 cards left unactivated which is enough to have everything on for chronos

[civic ocean]

I don't feel like one would really need Arcana to kill Cerberus and Chronos though, you can get there with builds

It's Erebus and Oceanus where you need Arcana

[zenith bolt]

which is funny, but not reliable at all

[spare kite]

Reminds me of dead cells and how people didn't unlock certain weps just to get better odds lmao

[mystic bison]

Me

[tall notch]

Btw, epic quality projectile speed reduction (-50%) is actually massive, it trivalises Hecate and Chronos' boomerang which is arguably the trickiest move to dodge in p1

[zenith bolt]

im a sucker for epic greater evasion

[civic ocean]

Like I feel like if you looked at all of my deaths across all 32 Heat attempts it would be like "2 armored caskets and hippos" and "2 boulders and 2 blood shades in a tiny room in oceanus" as higher than Cerberus for deaths

[zenith bolt]

20% dodge... hermes would never fail me...

[spare kite]

Same but bc most hermes boons are sad now

[zenith bolt]

honestly i like the attack/special speed boosts

[civic ocean]

Has anyone tested/confirmed if the attack and special speed boosts lower the omega channel times

[zenith bolt]

i think channeling speed is its own stat, but i dont know if it is affected by attack speed

[calm ibex]

is aphrodite still as good as in hades 1 ? % wise

[timber pawn]

My gut tells me they do, but maybe it just shortens the animation of the omega moves

[mystic bison]

Stronger % but no weak curse on attacks

[zenith bolt]

aphrodite has the highest %s, comparing numbers in a vacuum is kinda useless given they're different games though

[calm ibex]

i see np tho

started today im on my 5th run atm, was at chronos once but damn i got deleted

[tall notch]

Her passion dash is actually like way better

[jovial cove]

aphrodite doesn't have a status on her attack so no built in curse combo, but if you can get it the damage is yuge

she also has the best dash in the game I'd say

[civic ocean]

Yeah Passion Dash is cracked

[calm ibex]

ye i realized that
her dash feels like poseidon dash in hades 1

[zenith bolt]

im a sucker for blinding sprint myself

[mystic bison]

Hermes is more build dependent in this game, it's no longer insta pick for multiple dashes or hyper sprint (his sprint still excellent tho)

[spare kite]

Sentences that would make an hades 1 only player crazy

[tall notch]

It hits twice so you can get double the damage on large enemies

[jovial cove]

both are very good. top 2 dashes

[calm ibex]

i love how different h2 is from 1

[civic ocean]

I think Breaker is high up there for me too

[tall notch]

Hermes changes are good, he's still impactful and I'm happy to see him but he's not as build-defining as Hades 1

[mystic bison]

Aphro dash is basically the same as Hades 1

[calm ibex]

i see tyty

btw guys i didnt play all weapons yet
but i assume sister blades are the best?

[civic ocean]

torches are the best

[calm ibex]

sister blades seem hella unbalanced

[mystic bison]

Momus staff the most OP weapon now

[zenith bolt]

gaslighting, in my good sgg server?

[spare kite]

Circe staff best weapon

[jovial cove]

Momus is the most overtuned aspect but blades probably has the best general kit

[zenith bolt]

in terms of "weapons i enjoy the most", it's probably

1. axe
2. torches
3. blades
4. skull
5. staff

[calm ibex]

well i dont have aspects yet

same way to unlock like in h1?

[zenith bolt]

blades and skull interchangeable depending on my mood

[mystic bison]

I enjoy Pan a lot atm but I like all the weapons for the most part

I'd say Pan, Charon, Eos top 3 for me currently in terms of enjoyment

[civic ocean]

I don't think the torches are gas powered, more magical fire

[calm ibex]

anyone can help rq ?

[tall notch]

I believe the unlock is to kill Hecate with every weapon?

[calm ibex]

i see ty

[merry flint]

you just need all weapons

[calm ibex]

oh well so the same way ty

[civic ocean]

at the very least it's play with each wep once IIRC

[merry flint]

i haven't played with skull even once

[zenith bolt]

my current go-to aspects are
staff - momus
blades - pan
torches - eos
axe - charon (maybe thanatos and charon interchangeable when they fix thanatos)
skull - medea

[tall notch]

Oh good to know

[civic ocean]

ope nvm

[tall notch]

How do you play high fear Medea? Is it the Demeter strat or is there another I haven't tried?

[calm ibex]

im still mad that they didnt add a scythe weapon

[merry flint]

i got chronos kill before i got aspects lol because i didn't get the final weapon until later. After that i got it quick after a run.

[mystic bison]

Last I saw was Momus on dark thirst so maybe I'll do a judgement run on 14 fear later

[zenith bolt]

i dont (skull is the only weapon i havent 32 yet lol)

[tall notch]

Oh

[zenith bolt]

more bc i dont use skull that much and i dont care enough

[civic ocean]

I have to test medea 32

[celest swallow]

than aspect: "am i a joke to you"

[civic ocean]

I wonder if you just actively dodge the miniboss fight in oceanus

[merry flint]

i JUST realized

[zenith bolt]

i think they havent unlocked aspects yet

[merry flint]

I only activated Coarse Grit in my 32 fear momus run because of Narcissus' legendary boon giving +2 elements

legendary luck

[zenith bolt]

just pray it isnt an asshat for most of the fight ig. or cry abt it and take mid shop ig

[calm ibex]

oh well i dont know about aspects yet just got h2 today

[civic ocean]

I guess you could try and omega attack it down right

[celest swallow]

ah, well, there's a scythe

[tall notch]

My fave aspects for every weapon are:
Staff - Melinoë (Momus is way more powerful but I'm not liking the buttonmash playstyle)
Daggers - Artemis
Torches - Eos
Axe - Charon
Skull - Persephone (I'm playing it as a stat stick for Zeus cast builds + the occasional mob clear with Glory special though, I need to try more Medea as it seems interestring)

[zenith bolt]

some of the corners work for attack -> special spam

but not all of them and some require partial charge on special to make it across

[calm ibex]

which weapon has the scythe aspect ?

[zenith bolt]

axe

[civic ocean]

cmon

[calm ibex]

good makes sense

[civic ocean]

can't just pass up a trolling opportunity like that

[calm ibex]

do u want another one ?

[tall notch]

Were you gonna say it's the torches?

[civic ocean]

Scythe Skull

[zenith bolt]

im not evil enough sorry

[celest swallow]

trolling is extra energy that i don't have to spend

[calm ibex]

joke question for east: how do i get cinder

[civic ocean]

mining in Olympus

[mystic bison]

Until Glory gets reworked, Persephone really needs that extra kick in terms of damage from the cast or some such

I had a nice run earlier with Apollo on special and Zeus Apollo duo

[calm ibex]

ohhhh thank you

[zenith bolt]

persephone is just an omega cast wep disguised as anything else

[civic ocean]

and god damn is she a good omega cast wep

esp with zeus

[zenith bolt]

i just want my funny persephone's wild ride to be actually good

instead of being a stat-stick

[civic ocean]

I like saving it for P2 Chronos and stacking like 400 AQ scorch on him while he channels the instakill

[mystic bison]

Just for room clearing Persephone is excellent, you need the cast for bosses though

[steep musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230528598511976489/1242905547859296387/image.png?ex=664f897e&is=664e37fe&hm=350c2409b685e3e70185650fdbe615a9821832d398fc2a2857a84dc7aff87a63&
just eked out a win with poseidon's

[civic ocean]

425 dmg from chronos grandpa had the belt out damn

[calm ibex]

am i the only one who doesnt like 3rd area

[steep musk]

yeah lmao i usually go in with a lot of hp tho

[zenith bolt]

how it feels to chew 5 instakill

[merry flint]

god the SHEER POWER

[civic ocean]

"my girl, would you please die"

[zenith bolt]

one of my favorite quips from him is "Catch, granddaughter!" for scythe throw

[merry flint]

whoops wrong channel

[timber pawn]

That's crazy actually lol, I don't think I've heard that one

[steep musk]

that's awesome

[zenith bolt]

also all of the time slow voice lines--"Your time is up!"

[spare kite]

Chronos voice is so good

[zenith bolt]

even tho time slow is the freest attack ever

[civic ocean]

I like when he taunts us about Olympus burning as if we are meant to do something about it

[zenith bolt]

he does like 1 thing before it expires and you have extended iframes thanks to it

[tall notch]

I did have him overlap it with instant kill which wasn't free 😭

[zenith bolt]

skill issue, i would've simply dodged

[spare kite]

Why does he overlap attacks so much

[civic ocean]

Because he's a beast TBF

[tall notch]

Because he's a MMO raid boss in disguise, they rely on their overlaps to challenge you

[calm ibex]

why is this stupid axe so fun im usually the biggest hater of slow weapons

[civic ocean]

just wait until you learn the FCG combos

[calm ibex]

FCG?

[spare kite]

Can't wait for super grandpa to have like 20 attacks going on at the same time

[civic ocean]

FGC sry, Fighting Game Combos

[calm ibex]

xD

[civic ocean]

the instakill circle moves

[tall notch]

Isn't the axe already using these

[ionic moon]

wavedash axe aspect

[zenith bolt]

axe tech (58 page bible) vs staff tech (click rmb 20k times to win)

[tall notch]

I wonder, do m+k Momus mains change mice weekly?

[civic ocean]

You joke but the axe does basically have L cancelling at this point lol

[zenith bolt]

go my autoclicker

[calm ibex]

furious whirlwind, melting shredder or empowering guard for an special axe focused build ?

all 3 seem quite nice

[lyric radish]

High fear strays anyone?

[tall notch]

Probably empowering

[spare kite]

Reminds me of a quote about talos fists in H1
"Talos has all this cool and interesting tech just to be weaker than demeter fists anyways"

[zenith bolt]

so sad

[calm ibex]

tyty

[zenith bolt]

this really is like playing a low tier in an fg

[merry flint]

DID SOMEONE SAY FGC

[civic ocean]

It has Brawl Link vibes

Where you have like 10+ advanced techniques just to be low tier

[merry flint]

I'm a Potemkin player in strive bro i am LIVING that low tier with insane execution requirements and tech life

[civic ocean]

What was the most technical h1 weapon

[tall notch]

If Mynt wasn't playing Pyre they'd post three axe tech videos by now

[zenith bolt]

godspeed, soldier

[tall notch]

Arthur sword maybe?

[civic ocean]

I was gonna say the fists

[tall notch]

Arthur wanted to do some weird dash cancel stuff similar to axe

[zenith bolt]

i wasnt ever really good at strive but i played gio mostly (step dash my beloved). anyway axe spin will surely be good when they fix psychic whirlwind

[merry flint]

CURSE OF POTEMKIN
CH 2H > HFB > JFkBMF, JFkBMF, JFkHFBJFkG, 6H > HF, 2H > Garuda

[calm ibex]

btw guys did u ever play an special focused sister blades with the hammer which returns ur daggers? quite fun

[zenith bolt]

hook knives is cool

[spare kite]

Hook knives my beloved

[zenith bolt]

sureshot flurry + boundless flurry + hook knives is my dream combo

[merry flint]

hook knives even on attack builds are great to spread status

[calm ibex]

i passed it few times bc it didnt seem too good but damn i was wrong

[merry flint]

fantastic with demeter you get to freeze entire rooms

[zenith bolt]

go, my laser beam

[civic ocean]

I think even if you play artemis or mel blades if you get hook knives early you are now a Special build

[zenith bolt]

hook knives is like, what, over doubling your special damage?

[topaz lotus]

Hook knives is the runaway best hammer on knives

[zenith bolt]

same vein as eos

[civic ocean]

It's +50% additive and then a 2x multiplier

[zenith bolt]

though eos isnt backstab damage, it's more just a stronger 2nd hit after delay

[calm ibex]

ye it rly feels very strong
i also like the one which gives u 300% additive to your attack omega

[topaz lotus]

Hook knives and the one where you throw all your specials straight ahead, +scorch or poseidon = EZclear

[civic ocean]

Blades are very very good with hammers yeah

[zenith bolt]

blades also have very high hammer quality overall i think

[tall notch]

Is it just me or are the staff and dagger hammers better than any of the others by a mile on average

[spare kite]

Does hook even proc pos again

[civic ocean]

on average yeah

[tall notch]

It's like I'm looking at their hammers and thinking "this is insane" for all of them

[topaz lotus]

yrs

[zenith bolt]

it hits twice so poseidon happens twice generally speaking

[spare kite]

It feels like it doesn't

[civic ocean]

I think poseidon has an icd right

[zenith bolt]

it might but it must be quite small

[civic ocean]

or maybe he's programmed to only hit once because I am pretty sure he only works once per ball per torch omega special

[zenith bolt]

clearly the poseidon nerf is to just make splash effects hit harder and then make the icd longer (eat your heart out pan)

[topaz lotus]

The only hammer I've tried that is as good as hook knives is 2 extra shells for the skull

[ionic moon]

sudden cleaver for charon

[civic ocean]

Sudden Cleaver on Charon is possibly as good as Hook Knives

[topaz lotus]

Skull plus Zeus or Hera on strike = EZ clear

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIw_nrtPowY do you guys think this kind of build will be staff meta if Momus gets nerfed hard enough?

[zenith bolt]

psychic whirlwind is pretty silly, would be better if it wasnt bugged

[ionic moon]

full salvo is also fun for omega attack skull

[zenith bolt]

mainly bc being able to block while attacking is the big funny

[spare kite]

Full salvo makes me sad since it was pointed out that it doesn't work with mel aspect

[topaz lotus]

Is that the one where you shoot all at once?

[civic ocean]

full salvo is probably crazy on medea right

[zenith bolt]

not really, it feels kinda awful picking up your shells at once

[night gazelle]

Is something up with Vow of Arrogance sometimes not working or giving back the primed mana?

[zenith bolt]

attack -> special -> attack -> special feels better

[spare kite]

^ same issue as beo/hera
You don't wanna load the 3 at once all the time

[zenith bolt]

bc it loops

[spare kite]

Often load enough to kill or spread so you are always picking up more skulls again

[civic ocean]

I believe there is something going on where Centaur's bonus max mana is overriding the primed mana from Arrogance

[tall notch]

sometimes it will just unprime the boons

[ornate orchid]

That's how I got my first clear

[tall notch]

I'm consistently getting it to unprime when I pom something with rarity above common

[zenith bolt]

my favorite bug(?) so far is axe just deleting tartarus lasers from existence

[civic ocean]

Me too, I think it has something to do with mana pots and Centaur Arcana

[zenith bolt]

maybe it's because of how the game moves pommed stuff to the "front" of your boon list? so the game is deleting your old boon (and thus its prime) but doesnt re-add it when it adds the leveled up version

something like that maybe

[tall notch]

Could be

[civic ocean]

that checks out yeah

if I catch it again I'll F10 it

[tall notch]

I F10'd the pom thing

[night gazelle]

Thanks all

[zenith bolt]

the prime being "static" like this is probably why proper upbringing, rare crop, and maybe? bridal glow don't trigger vow of arrogance (because the game only adds prime from arrogance when you obtain a boon from a boon reward)

[civic ocean]

So I wanna test Karaoke Artemis, Slam Down Big Style Mel Staff, earth core medea

[tall notch]

What is Karaoke Artemis

[night gazelle]

I think this is intended though

[spare kite]

Is slam down double Ω + apollo's legendary

[night gazelle]

Phial to circumvent Arrogance made sense to me

[civic ocean]

Karaoke means empty orchestra, so we are going to orchestrate leaving our attack boon empty for Spiteful Strength

[tall notch]

What would you start with? Born gain?

[civic ocean]

Either Born Gain or Volcanic Flourish

[tall notch]

I'm not sure if it's gonna be better than Apollo legendary Artemis but now I kinda wanna try it too

[zenith bolt]

born gain (among other hera boons) and like any of heph's utility boons are enough for spiteful strength iirc

[tall notch]

Is third god gonna be demeter for the +omega attack dmg thing?

And freeze cast

[civic ocean]

Yes you go spiteful strength and then either Slow Cooker or Coarse Grit depending on what you run into or what you're feeling

[tall notch]

And yeah coarse grit with 2 earth gods, I feel stupid for forgetting that one lol

[zenith bolt]

i wonder how many infusions you could activate in a run if you really high-rolled

[civic ocean]

Slow Cooker shouldn't be slept on either, all that extra power is real good, though perhaps better on Pan than Artemis

[zenith bolt]

highroll chaos + narcissus hits the requirements for every infusion except coarse grit, so the question is of gods i suppose

[tall notch]

However many gods you fit into the god pool + Hermes

[zenith bolt]

• chaos, because chaos has an infusion too

[tall notch]

Oh that aether thing counts as an infusion?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[spare kite]

Chaos infusion uses aether yeah
Ω dmg per element

[calm ibex]

bro wtf im at cerberus and still have no attack boon

[spare kite]

You can also get multiple of them apparently

[tall notch]

Double Chaos (if you can even get their their element thing more than once) + Narcissus fulfills coarse grit reqs on its own I think

I know that by highrolling chaos and Narcissus I managed to get AQ with only a single Zeus boon and no other air gods lol

[spare kite]

Double epic chaos creation alone activates coarse grit

Double rare chaos + narc also works

Or just get barren creation + narc /s

[tall notch]

Or one Chaos + poseidon doubling up Narc I guess?

Poseidon can double the Narcissus element thing, right? He can double the rerolls from my experience

[spare kite]

Yeah it works

[tall notch]

My takeaway from this is that infusion builds love Chaos

[spare kite]

I often take epic creation just in case and never run into infusions

And embryo loves giving me creation too

[timber pawn]

Are you a dimension 20 watcher

[civic ocean]

I will follow Lou Wilson anywhere he goes

[timber pawn]

A true kindred soul

[lofty sequoia]

Misfits and Magic needs a sequel

[zenith bolt]

yeah you can get multiple of any chaos boon (but not multiple of the same curse, i think??)

[civic ocean]

Chaos got a big glowup in Hades 2 I feel, so many of the chaos boons are incredibly powerful

[zenith bolt]

chaos is goated and almost always worth taking at least once or twice imo

[spare kite]

Def can repeat the curse, unless forsaking is deleting the curses

Idk what even forsaking deletes with chaos

[timber pawn]

I imagine it might, it was pretty popular I think

[zenith bolt]

yeah ikr

[night gazelle]

Yeah forsaking does the little red-out animation on Chaos, but I don't know how it works

[tall notch]

Even the hades1 ones were good and now they're even better

[zenith bolt]

chaos magick regen is like enough for most runs

[spare kite]

The healing boon is so goated

Also the numbers for most stuff were increased in general it feels

[zenith bolt]

heal per location is great, cost reduction is great, +all elements is great, etc.

[spare kite]

Epic soul in h1 was like +70 hp

[calm ibex]

hammer special is so cheesy lmao

[civic ocean]

Also use reduction, channel reduction

[spare kite]

Also the curses are mostly chill

[civic ocean]

the stun on damage I always take and then always die

[spare kite]

Caustic is an horror game here for Oceanus

[zenith bolt]

take "clear x encounters in 2 minutes or die"
immediately get boss bc i cant count
die

[spare kite]

Have fun in infinite fish rooms

[civic ocean]

We might just be missing a mana regen familiar though, which might change perspective on a lot of this stuff

[zenith bolt]

magick regen familiar would be top 1 immediately

[civic ocean]

no doubt

[spare kite]

1 mana/s

[civic ocean]

I think even if it were like 3 I'd take it and run unseen just to not have to think about mana

[zenith bolt]

we unequipping unseen with this one 🔥

[tall notch]

People aren't unequipping unseen already?

[zenith bolt]

im joking

[tall notch]

Ah ok

[zenith bolt]

unseen is kinda really awful

[wet nova]

Is unseen the hp per room?

[civic ocean]

Unseen the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals

[tall notch]

Unseen is the overpriced mana regen

[zenith bolt]

that's wayward son

[civic ocean]

Unseen is mana regen

[wet nova]

Oh Idt I’ve ever had unseen on since my first run I used it💀

[zenith bolt]

wayward son is a great deal for 1 grasp

[wet nova]

It’s just too overpriced rn

[spare kite]

Wayward son my beloved, I love cheaper chaos

[zenith bolt]

unless u run vow of scars 3 in which case ur weird

[tall notch]

One setup where unseen shines are the zeus cast builds because it's enough not to have to take a mana regen boon

[spare kite]

(also the flavor text is peak)

[wet nova]

The thing is chaos just makes so many arcana redundant😭😂

But since you can’t get them guaranteed it’s not the most ideal to rely on

[zenith bolt]

chaos is the goat, and spark of ixion is my most purchased well item

[tall notch]

Are you an antler hater? 😠

[zenith bolt]

im bad at the video game so kinda

[spare kite]

I love that the 0 hp effect was moved into it

[calm ibex]

am i stupid or is hephaestus like rly weak ?

[spare kite]

His passives are great but his cores are

[zenith bolt]

buff vent pls

heph would be funny if you could throw out 700+ damage every few seconds on attacks

[sly scarab]

Depends on what floor and on what heat, but a lot of the time, yeah.

[zenith bolt]

his support stuff is nice, and he contributes to god's strongest element (earth)

[merry flint]

offense kinda but support is great

[zenith bolt]

ive heard his sprint is cool but i havent used it

[night gazelle]

How does Brave Face + Coarse Grit work

[zenith bolt]

coarse grit applies last so it doesnt work

[night gazelle]

Do you only take 7 per attack, or does it work in the bad way

Thanks

[zenith bolt]

unless the attack would already be reduced below 15, in which case coarse grit has no effect instead

either way they don't stack

there might actually be an anti-synergy with brave face draining your magick

[calm ibex]

so lets go 2nd try on chronos

[spare kite]

What run number are you in?

[calm ibex]

ok im dead

[calm ibex]

1 sec

im on my 10th now

[summer root]

i miss selling boons :')

[tired fulcrum]

Spiteful strength is such a weird duo when theres no purging pool

[ionic cedar]

I like him in concept, but either there needs to be a lower cool down, or increased damage to compensate for such long cool downs. And yeah, vent needs a buff too.

[night gazelle]

Got my 20 on Medea by gunning for Coarse Grit as my out, whew

Btw, does Coarse Grit work on Chronos's P2 bombs?

[calm ibex]

which boons are good for torch?

[spare kite]

The insta kills? Yeah

[zenith bolt]

it works on every attack afaik

probably even worked on doomed curse

[oak ginkgo]

IT DOES?

[spare kite]

Doesn't work for that iirc
Namely cuz the wording is different

You can block it with armor instead

[tired fulcrum]

Doomed curse scaling is kinda

[spare kite]

Dem is just silly like that (yes)

[vital jackal]

If I buff enemy damage in by takinh the vow for that do my charmed minions also do more damage?

Thinking of doing a meme build with aphro legendary, hera&apollo duo, and reviving hex

[tall notch]

Yet another reason to do pencil meta with vow of forsaking to make sure you won't get forced into an attack or special

[civic ocean]

Pencil meta

We should do some sort of damage analysis with Lion Fang, Evil Eye, and Blackened Fleece. I feel like I see a lot of players taking these keepsakes into Tartarus for a fairly marginal upgrade on their build damage - there's a mathematical way to tell how much actual output these give

[zenith bolt]

blackened fleece is there to keep mel warm smh

[celest swallow]

well we've got a dps meter mod so

[spare kite]

@worn token
Fear works this way
To the left there's a picture of a boss and the icon of a certain weapon, along a number

The number is the amount of fear required

[celest swallow]

in theory should be able to do that to some extent at least, just need to make sure nothing beyond the keepsakes is boosting anything beyond the prior biome

which should be doable for tartarus if you just take full express route

[spare kite]

Once you put enough fear and the boss is highlighted, killing them will grant you a nightmare (titan blood equivalent)

[civic ocean]

I think you can just add up the +% damage your stuff does and figure out what the actual damage increase each keepsake gives you

My thinking is that all of the Fang, Eye, and Fleece are quite poor except on Cast builds

However, the Fang in particular might be quite good in Oceanus, if your gods are set but your damage is relatively low

[night gazelle]

% bonuses are still additive right? So yeah, you can do a quick estimate of how much you get from an additive % bonus by looking at how much % you already have stacked

[strange hollow]

I find myself taking fang quite often to start a run, kind of like Sisyphus in the first game. Gives me more damage to start with until I have a build going

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think players are looking at it and going "oh wow 30% more damage to Chronos! Evil Eye is great!" But they're going from like 200% to 230%

[night gazelle]

Is upgrading Sorceress arguably bad? 4s is longer than you need to wind up anything including e.g. Whirlwind. And if you wind up holding a charge for a really long time (to wait for enemies to spawn, or to time a dash out of it) the extra time is worst for Tight Deadline

[spare kite]

What else do you take at that point, knuckle/hermes?

[zenith bolt]

evil eye might??? be its own thing just because it has pop up text that goes "Evil Eye!"

[civic ocean]

Wheel/Droplet/Tooth I think

[night gazelle]

Knuckle seems actually %-based except that it shortens the easiest part of Chronos

[tall notch]

It can be useful for certain situations but far from a priority upgrade

[civic ocean]

I think it loops back around to being good when you realize that you can deal damage with things like Mel Torches while you're slowdown channeling

[tall notch]

What are the odds that I took 4 hammers in a run (2 natural + icarus + echo) and none of them were sudden cleaver?

I'm not playing +40% speed on Charon anymore the game hates me too much for that

[night gazelle]

How many encounters are usually in Act 3 (for Icarus reasons)?

[spare kite]

Lasts you to grandpa at max rank iirc?

[tall notch]

If you take him after killing sirens he'll last you until the rest of the run assuming the keepsake is fully upgraded. If you get lucky with encounter skips can even last for the entire run if put on in Oceanus

[civic ocean]

Low - you basically failed a 1 in 10, 1 in 9, 1 in 8, then a 1 in 9, 1 in 8, 1 in 7, then a 1 in 8, then a 1 in 7, 1 in 6, and 1 in 5

[zenith bolt]

lasts from mourning fields to grandpa every time at max rank yeah

[lunar lance]

What Hephaestus boons do you go with if you find him? I have trouble finding a weapon/attack that works nicely with his Attack/Special boon.

[spare kite]

We don't have hammers that block others from appearing right

[tall notch]

Actually does forsaking remove hammers from the pool or is it just boons

[civic ocean]

The key with Volcanics is to take them on whichever of atk/spec you don't plan on investing into

[zenith bolt]

Mint Condition is big, also Trusty Shield (especially on Vow of Suffering) and Heavy Metal

[lunar lance]

Hm, I see.

[civic ocean]

I do not believe forsaking affects hammers

[lunar lance]

Yeah, Mint Condition is pretty great.

[tall notch]

Wish it did maybe then I'd actually see sudden cleaver

[lunar lance]

Speaking of things that prevent other stuff from showing up: I assume that Hades will never offer Howling Skull if you already have Glowing Ember (the hestia boon that turns your cast into a fireball)?

[civic ocean]

I think you just plan to take droplet in tart and if you get sudden cleaver you change the plan

[zenith bolt]

i assume you dont see multiple target casts ever

[tall notch]

Supergiant noticed the amount of nights on my save file and they're affecting hammer luck to make sure I never finish the game smh

[lunar lance]

I would assume so, yeah.

[civic ocean]

I think Lightning Lance, Glowing Coal, and Howling Skull all get rid of one another yes

[lunar lance]

Side note: i really like that you get to use Hades's skull cast in this game. I always thought "That's probably what Zag would get as a Cast if Hades would give him boons"

[tall notch]

I died in fields because the mobs surround me there and I'd get hit by the time I charge an omega spesh

[civic ocean]

Gotta do the dash dunk or something idk

I know for fields I run really, really far away

Like leave my cast behind me run away

[tall notch]

I'll try only 20% speed next time because this weapon is that slow. Should also help rid of my suicidal ideation on Hecate

[lunar lance]

How do y'all feel about Eos Flames? I like the concept quite a bit.

[civic ocean]

I think Charon might be more consistent at 20% yeah

[spare kite]

Eos my beloved

[tall notch]

Do I need to answer?

[night gazelle]

I feel like FO2/40% speed is one of the most underratedly punishing heats in both games. I would never recommend people take it for 32 in H1

[zenith bolt]

eos ❤️

[spare kite]

Also it looks pretty

[lunar lance]

Ahahaha

[civic ocean]

needs a 1 boon build tbh

[zenith bolt]

ive somewhat adjusted to +40% speed now

[night gazelle]

I think 100% increased enemy damage doesn't result in as much additional damage taken as 40% speed, for example

[obtuse swift]

What is the point of the whole casting thing? It doesnt seem like it can be my crux of my build, upcharging it seems like a good way to get hit, and usually i feel like instead of risking it to drop the cast id always rather just hit the creatures twice. Am I misunderstanding its utility?

[zenith bolt]

i think going back to +0% would destroy me

[tall notch]

But that 1 boon can't be tranquil gain because it needs to get buffed

[night gazelle]

Yeah but when you play on 0 it's just cheating

[spare kite]

The meta pacts for 32 heat are often HL0/fo2 or hl5/fo0 fwiw

[civic ocean]

casts slow enemy movement speed by soemthing like 90% or so

[tall notch]

I'm fine with it on any weapon that's not axe

[night gazelle]

Eos I just did on 24, it's my highest that isn't Momus. Eos really does seem pretty good

[stoic ridge]

god i wish there was a way to reroll hammers, got a skull hammer an every option would have just ruined my build so i gave up

[lunar lance]

It's crowd control. It keeps mobs from being able to reach you, you can drop it behind you to snare enemies to line them up for a big AOE hit. The cast itself is a big AOE hit if you upcharge it. It can even snare certain bosses to keep them from goomba-stomping on your head with some attacks.

Also, there's boons that turn the cast into constant damage (you can stack a burn from Hestia, a hailstorm and cyclone from Demeter, and lightning from Zeus if you get those 3 on a run)

[tall notch]

There are A LOT of animations you can cast in the middle of. Rebind it to a different finger than the one responsible for your attack and have fun experimenting

[lusty heron]

so besides born gain what do you look for for eos ?

[lunar lance]

Oh geez, Born Gain does sound hilarious on the flames.

[sudden scaffold]

there's a mod to reroll hammers on nexus if you don't mind using mods

[tall notch]

An attack boon with a curse, channel speed and Demeter/Hestia cast for some damage with room control

[lunar lance]

Just fire off the big flames forever.

[civic ocean]

Passion Dash as well

[spare kite]

Born gain is hilarious in general

[tall notch]

Oh yeah passion dash too if I'm playing aggro

[tame vapor]

whats th ebest duo so far?

[lunar lance]

TBH, I haven't tried it yet. Gotta do that

[civic ocean]

It's quite hard to sprint and fire off eos at the same time right

so Passion Dash seems the best sprint boon

[spare kite]

Welcome to infinite mana

[lunar lance]

If you're already holding Attack with flames, you keep swinging, right?

Oh wait, sprint as opposed to dash.

[tall notch]

I think Apollo-Zeus and Apollo-Demeter for Charon axe are the most impactful

[obtuse swift]

im also noticing that (so far) in my early game the boons dont hit as hard. Should I be trying to maximize an elemental aspect? Or is this game just less boon-focused? I feel myself constantly getting stuff like weaken or burn where i kinda just ignore it and trust that it is helping me in some way

[lunar lance]

Yeah, it's kinda funny that Aphrodite is like, the one god whose dash boon is still a dash boon instead of a sprint boon, huh?

[tame vapor]

thx ill check em out

[tall notch]

I like the sprints but not on Eos

[lunar lance]

Oh for sure.

[tall notch]

I might've slept on cyclone sprint, thing is incredible against projectiles

And I'm feeling like in ranged builds it's mostly projectiles I'll get hit by

[tired fulcrum]

Like hippos

[tall notch]

Because at +40% speed they can come at me off-screen and I'll lack skill to react in time

Like hippos

[civic ocean]

Duos that seem very good so far include:

-Spiteful Strength due to how good the requirements are and how good Hera and Heph are in general
-Torrential Downpour and Glorious Disaster on Charon Axe
-Aph/Apollo duo (forget name) on the Mel Torches (or any torches really)

That's the best ones so far IMO

[zenith bolt]

island getaway is solid

[tall notch]

Beach ball is funny as hell too

[civic ocean]

Thermal Dynamics is in theory very good on AQ Scorch builds but isn't that easy to pull off

Killer Current likewise is fine but not really necessary

Beach Ball and Romantic Spark seem decent but not build-defining

Funeral Pyre is currently very good due to a bug

[shadow marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/pXZLqyp.jpeg
Always fun when you walk into a run and get offered an epic smithy sprint

[zenith bolt]

soft caress is a nice-to-have on aphrodite builds

[tall notch]

What's that?

[zenith bolt]

the first hit you take per encounter heals you instead of hurting you

[shadow marsh]

Heph aphro duo

[civic ocean]

So I've never actually run Smithy Sprint - the wording seems terrible but does it work like Volcanic strike/flourish where the blast goes off once I run into something?

[tired fulcrum]

Golden rule is kinda good but because its bugged

[tall notch]

At -100% healing that's just winter coat with duo boon status isn't it

[zenith bolt]

something like that

[modest spruce]

is there a good torch build, what do you recommend with boons

[zenith bolt]

hence "it's a nice-to-have"

[tall notch]

Or would it trigger the +300% dmg taken vow

[zenith bolt]

probably not

[shadow marsh]

It goes off after 1 second of sprinting. The Aoe is deceptively large. Bigger than smithy strike or flourish

[civic ocean]

Does it hit nothing if I'm near nothing tho

[shadow marsh]

yes

[zenith bolt]

vow of suffering only ever works if you actually take damage iirc

[tired fulcrum]

Until it ignores lc4

[civic ocean]

oh lame

[tall notch]

Born gain + Hera attack is the best introduction to Eos

[spring comet]

I'm uploading the rest of the blizzard blade run, here's a sneak preview
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/686732234161651810/1242929112553754698/vlc-record-2024-05-22-15h54m19s-2024-05-22_15-11-36.mp4-.mp4?ex=664f9f70&is=664e4df0&hm=3a8054115cdaac95e8923f14ffec8b65a20620dd569be0bb0cb137c1b17a5ede&

[civic ocean]

In fact Hera is probably just goated for every torch build

[tall notch]

Seems cool

[civic ocean]

Hook Knives are so dead Amir is going to get them personally

[zenith bolt]

hera dem is the obvious core for eos:

• born gain infinite magick
• weed killer for giga damage
• powerful infusions with proper upbringing and coarse grit
• easy activation of origination
• good crowd control with freeze/cyclone cast

[shadow marsh]

"Hera is Goated for every Torch build"

[spring comet]

it's not hook knives that are the issue, tbh

[tall notch]

I think Mel torches could benefit from other regens

[zenith bolt]

"Hera is goated for every build"

[urban pendant]

I can't think of AQ Scorch builds as anything other than air fryer builds now

[civic ocean]

Yeah probs I think Apollo and Demeter are fine there too

[shadow marsh]

"Hera is Goated for every torch build"

[civic ocean]

Air Fryer, Pink Aura, etc. We are developing culture

[spring comet]

it's hook knives plus spiral knives plus three total hammers plus some duo boons plus a few infusions plus a few chaos boons for specials plus a few upgraded special boons plus charon well buffs plus

[zenith bolt]

charon zeus/apollo is nuclear bomb

[shadow marsh]

Air fryer is a great name for it

[tall notch]

Elsa torches too

[zenith bolt]

shadow witch money gang (we love casting omega moves)

[celest swallow]

"Hera is goated for eery torch build"

[modest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-shadow-wizard-gangster-wizard-purple-shadow-wizard-gif-10620405639290646666

[shadow marsh]

Thanatos omega is Spin2Win

[civic ocean]

we're working with "Ion Cannon" for now since I think Ion is greek for god or someth

[night gazelle]

Wait is Carybdis in the game right now? I just saw a mention in Feedback. I haven't fought her for many runs

[spare kite]

Hera is goated

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's a miniboss in Thessaly

[tall notch]

Yes on the surface route

[zenith bolt]

yeah, charybdis is rift of thessaly miniboss

[night gazelle]

She's never there for me

[tall notch]

It's rng

[zenith bolt]

[tired fulcrum]

Chary is pretty easy to skip

[sudden scaffold]

do the trial of heartache, 95% chance it'll show up to ruin your run

[civic ocean]

I find Charb is less likely than the other minibosses for sure

[shadow marsh]

If you get a shop or Circe there's a solid chance you skip them

[night gazelle]

Wait am I just not paying attention to my exits

[shadow marsh]

Due to the 1 door nature of Thessally

[tired fulcrum]

If you get chary its forced

[civic ocean]

You only get one exit in thes

[zenith bolt]

or fountain room

[night gazelle]

Ok yeah, my odds just went that way then. I thought they were removed after my first upstairs run 😅

[shadow marsh]

I wish

[night gazelle]

Done all upstairs Eris Testaments, and met the miniboss once in total...

[civic ocean]

Shy

[urban pendant]

I just did a non-Fear (just wanted to farm Psyche ) run with Artemis blades, got heroic Flutter strike, epic Pressure Points, and epic Double Strike in Erebus, so my damage boons were sorted out 5 rooms into Erebus and the rest of the run was spent getting random insurance stuff like the Aphrodite health regen and Trusty Shield lmao
Arrived at Chronos with 2000 gold and full health and just facetanked him to death with parry and Hermes sprint
Why does this never happen when I take a bunch of Vows

Anyway Artemis daggers are not as fast as Pan but they're my favourite weapon aspect by far. Just get Flutter Strike and go nuts.

[shadow marsh]

Artemis blades feel better. Probably because big numbers make the monke brain happy

[urban pendant]

Oh I got the backstab hammer too. Could've tried for a Chaos attack boon to deal 3k crit backstabs but I had to choose between Chaos and Placeholder Art Dad

[shadow marsh]

backstab hammer is underrated

[urban pendant]

200% damage from behind on a weapon whose main feature teleports you behind the enemy? On a scale from yes to no: Yes.

[calm maple]

So apparently Bridal Glow can select boons that were ALREADY HEROIC

😠

[shadow marsh]

That's unfortunate, but rare crop can select common boons so it kinda makes sense

[spring comet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/686732234161651810/1242931966622302219/vlc-record-2024-05-22-16h03m53s-2024-05-22_15-11-36.mp4-.mp4?ex=664fa219&is=664e5099&hm=c688686d69d452737b0ce59246e060f7ad41b7566a99cc44ea7ff16d4ee5086f&

jfc

[lunar lance]

WEll, hot damn. I'm glad I listened to you guys talking about Born Gain with Ygnium (Eos specifically)

I think I've finally found a Hera build for a weapon (the long-lasting cast also is great), and hilariously it has nothing at all to do with Hitch.

[calm maple]

That's the whole point of rare crop. Did you mean it can select heroic boons?

[urban pendant]

Good lord, I can't tell if your recording broke or if your 7k damage spiral knives broke the game

[lunar lance]

Also, I mapped Cast to L1 instead of Circle, and it's pretty great.

[spring comet]

it was a great time

[oak ginkgo]

How’d you pull that off?

[tall notch]

Hitch is still good on Eos because of how much aoe the lingering ghosts do

[spring comet]

long story short, a lot of luck

[lunar lance]

Fair enough, yeah. Maybe next time (I picked up Hestia's attack buff instead)

[tall notch]

Also you probably heard that by now if you hang around here often but her attack boon has some of the best scaling out of all of them

[spring comet]

just a bunch of lucky finds, lucky boons, Nemesis dropping a third hammer, echo giving me Exceptional Talent from the prior run

[trim thistle]

how does the heph hera duo work? what is considered "empowered by a boon" does heph attack count or no?

[lunar lance]

Oh hmmm.

[tall notch]

Having something in that boon slot sounds as being empowered by a boon, similar to shackle from hades1 if you remember that

[tired fulcrum]

You have to have no boon in the slot. Heph also disables it

[lunar lance]

so Hera's boons are a bit like Aphrodites were in the previous game; a relatively minor effect bolstered by the best raw damage

[tall notch]

Pretty much except hitch >> weak

[tired fulcrum]

Hitch is great and tbh weak was also pretty good

[shadow marsh]

Rare Crop reads "Your boons become common. Every three combats they gain rarity"
Bridal Glow reads "Your boons become heroic. Every seven combats they lose rarity"

[tired fulcrum]

Rare crop selecting common boons is an upside because it increases their rarity. Bridal glow selecting heroics is a downside since it only decreases their rarity

[shadow marsh]

Yes, but it's still consistent.

[lunar lance]

Already imagining what a Hera build on the Charon axe could do.

[tired fulcrum]

You just oneshot everything you hit so hitch doesnt do much

[lunar lance]

True, but I'm imagining a crowd of enemies just turbo-exploding due to being hitched at the same time they get cast-bombed

[night gazelle]

Made a feedback note about stacking math after thinking about this situation a little

[lunar lance]

Plus if I'm gonna commit to that omega axe special, it might as well be the BIGGEST one

[shadow marsh]

Unfortunately if an enemy dies the hitch won't spread the killing blow's damage

[civic ocean]

The game plan is to take heph on your uninvested boon.

Let's say I'm playing Artemis Daggers and want to go heavy into my Attack. I start with Heph on my special for a quick 400 dmg, then get Spiteful Strength later to get 200% on my attack

[shadow marsh]

Heph attack/special isn't a prereq for the duo

[civic ocean]

No but if you just go fully into defense you can have trouble clearing the 7 minute timer on erebus

[bronze ginkgo]

"Hera is goated for every~~ torch build~~"

[lunar lance]

Does Spiteful Strength work if I have Martial Art?

[pastel delta]

do any of you guys have an any recommendations for boons/hammers that make the twin blades a bit more fun? in my limited experience so far, the special and its boons don't seem great, same with the basic attack combo and hold attack

[shadow marsh]

Yes

[lunar lance]

Nice

Yeah, the performance I just saw vs polyphemus would suggest that.

So as long as I don't have a Strike or Flourish boon, then Spiteful Strength works, it seems.

[celest ravine]

anyone think its intended that echo can give boons from the scrying crystal? i just did a chaos run and finished it and got the heroic boon from the trial in the next run

[night gazelle]

I've been playing a lot (most Testaments cleared), but haven't experimented much with Antler. Brief primer on Antler use?

[spare kite]

Is also only disabled for the slot you have a boon in, so you can have an special but keeo the buff for attack

[summer seal]

In general the Poseidon boons are very strong for special and attack. And there a few hammers that really buff the special, specifically the hook shot one

What aspect are you using?

[tired fulcrum]

You play 30 hp or lower and in exchange you basically do 1.8x damage. You can use armor/shields for survivability along with murdering stuff

[civic ocean]

Use the Vows and take a bit of dmg to keep urself at 30

[tall notch]

Isn't the play to never get above 30 in the first place?

[night gazelle]

And you simply hover between 30 and 0 by playing really well? (Is this for speedrunning or for Heat as well?)

[tired fulcrum]

Both

[tall notch]

By playing really well and stacking armor

[spare kite]

Strength ig

[civic ocean]

It can be but I like taking Frinos because Toula's DD puts you above 30

[tired fulcrum]

Well you kinda have to get hit if you have centaur

[night gazelle]

Hmm I am not good enough to get hit that little on high heat

[civic ocean]

You are because you get hit less because everything dies

[summer seal]

If you take the vow that reduces healing to 0 then you can pretty much stay at or below 30 once you get there and not have to worry about centaur and such

[civic ocean]

Centaur heals you for 5 every time sadly

[night gazelle]

Yeah I should try some DPS>all playing and see how well it goes

[civic ocean]

I disable centaur by turning off sorc, runner, and wayward son

[tired fulcrum]

I disable centaur by downloading a save that doesnt have centaur

[tall notch]

Is there a safe way of getting hit in +400% damage taken Tartarus?

[tired fulcrum]

Uh screamer i guess

[tall notch]

Oh yeah there's also that save file but that doesn't help when I want my heat records to show up in the stats of my actual save file 😭

[night gazelle]

Do people Antlering generally take Lasting Consequences (whatever it's called) and +Enemy damage and suffering and try to play hitless for all the free heat, or is that too impossible and you try to keep your hits small so you can take some

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml# the momus poseidon guide includes fear that I take

[tired fulcrum]

I think the not spindle spinny guys do like 24 damage on first hit

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M91FJmPktw& a bit of self-promo but here's some 40 heat antler. Pact is shown at the end

[tall notch]

Tartarus, not Erebus

[night gazelle]

Nice thanks--that was not my first 32 haha. But as noted, I am a huge Vow of Fury skeptic

[civic ocean]

Tart you can self dmg on traps and I believe you don't take the crit

[tired fulcrum]

Oh tart uh lasers ig

[tall notch]

Hm good to know thanks

[rain hazel]

What happens if I take pheonix sun without 100hp?

[civic ocean]

Refunds the game im afraid

[tired fulcrum]

You now have 1 hp

[errant thunder]

Does anyone know if there are some kind of build guides available yet like there were for the first game?

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml# I made these

They're for 32 but they should work sub 32 as well

[errant thunder]

noooo I'm not advanced enough in the game hahaha

thank you for the spoiler warning appreciate it

I'll check it when I'm more advanced

[civic ocean]

I think almost any build guide is gonma have soooome spoilers but yeah

There are no story spoilers in the guide

[errant thunder]

yes true true

[civic ocean]

Other than who the act 4 boss is I guess

[errant thunder]

Well I'm not that far in the game but maybe I could still check it out if it doesn't contain major spoilers. Can I pm you just to confirm?

[civic ocean]

I think you probably don't want to hang around here if you're worried about spoilers

But you can pm me if you have questions sure

[tall notch]

That is true, this is a spoilers-friendly channel

[errant thunder]

ok thank you for the heads up :))

[acoustic moat]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

Yall got any of them good builds?

super sick and tired of doing 60 dmg per hit to chronos with anything except twin blades

[blissful wren]

which weapon u wanna try

[desert mist]

how does Ignium work with the Aphrodite special? Since you need to be close anyway I imagine pretty well?

Tried it with Poseidon and it was hilariously strong

[timber pawn]

Ya its meta speedrun

[desert mist]

huh

[timber pawn]

It's very strong

[desert mist]

good to know lol

I really do not like how the bast attack feels at all but the special is like hilariously broken with the right boons

[ionic moon]

you're gonna summon mynt with the pink aura vid soon

[foggy bay]

damn, i just got chronos with the boons that give you a maximum damage dealt and received

it's funny seeing him giving his best and only dealing me 30 hp

[cloud scarab]

Does Hermes Swift strike (Attack 20% faster) also include your omega attack with the axe? ie spin faster?

[foggy bay]

yes

[cloud scarab]

I had that yesterday buffed up to only ever take max 15 dmg... it was funny 😄

[foggy bay]

i got chaos boon to give me +2 on each element, and then those boons and the boon that gives you +2 base damage for each fire, it was a walk in the park

i'd love more boons related to the element aspect, they are fun to chase

[brave harbor]

oh lordddd why did i take hephaestus attack on staff

i'm doing basically no damage

[green jewel]

I’m hoping that’s one of the reworks coming. More incentive for elements

[spring comet]

here's the Tartarus run with the Blizzard Blades of the Apocalypse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3B2c_xdB6Q

[tender smelt]

what is a good build for hammer

[shadow marsh]

hammer?

[acoustic moat]

was thinking about staff and skull for starters

[tall notch]

6th weapon, it's in the beta build. Haven't you tried it yet?

[tender smelt]

i meant axe mb

[acoustic moat]

sharp hammer

[tender smelt]

yeah

[shadow marsh]

Axe has 2 main builds. Attack focus with thanatos aspect or cast focus with charon aspect

[tall notch]

Or cast focus with Thanatos aspect

[shadow marsh]

Or special focus with Thanatos aspect

[acoustic moat]

still need someone to drop a good staff/skull build (or both)

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIw_nrtPowY&

[tender smelt]

what about melinoe aspect? not good?

cuz its the only one i have maxed out the rest are tier 1

[tall notch]

@bleak night is Mel axe any good?

[tender smelt]

what god do i go for with axe? aphrodite?

melinoe axe

[acoustic moat]

now im no where near good as you to know what boons you used just by the icons on the side of the screen, got any screenshots of the details after your run?

[tired fulcrum]

The gist for staff is momus aspect + double moonshot > shimmering moonshot hammer + poseidon special + slip + crashing wave into his legendary + something from another god to proc a second curse for origination

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242960516826267790/20240522184455_1.jpg?ex=664fbcb0&is=664e6b30&hm=0f9f61890d4f366905c555f6bc0c9f384b1512869aa21bee17c1b826ba02fc9f&

The regen is Apollo's

Or you can run what @tired fulcrum just posted, it's gonna be a way more poweful build but imo less fun than Mel staff

[acoustic moat]

i just tried that and i didn't get a moonshot from 4 hammers so yeah im trying your build for sure, and btw how do you get all heroic/epic boons like that? just a keepsake + new mirror upgrade thingy's?

[tall notch]

From what I know, Aphro/Hera for damage Apollo for safety

[tall notch]

The heroic was keepsake, the epics are from arcana

[mystic bison]

Momus is so stupid bruh

[tall notch]

It really is, 40 fear with Momus was easier than 32 with like half the weapons

If not all the other weapons

[mystic bison]

I got double moonshot, shimmering moonshot, rapid moonfire, king tide and scalding vapor

Easiest hitless Kronos of my life, 40% speed

[mystic bison]

Lowkey I'm gonna miss this after the nerf

[stable stone]

which vows did you use?

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242914606268158083/image.png?ex=664f91ee&is=664e406e&hm=48f456b38343d590b33820d5b5c0ab0b5b6dfc1a33909cdec9a674a11387bc80&

You can change some around depending on preference, but I'll say don't touch blue hearts since the build kinda sucks at dealing with them

[mystic bison]

Exceptional talent run?

[tall notch]

Was trying to but I burnt away too many prerequisites with vow of forsaking so I couldn't get it after all

[timber pawn]

man Medea kinda makes my hand hurt, old man gamer problems

[mystic bison]

Oof, Exceptional Talent is challenging to get with forsaking for sure

Is the video you posted up there footage of this run?

[tall notch]

I could have gotten it if I didn't overrate daze on attack and take it over both extra dose and super nova. And yeah that's the Chronos kill in that run

Didn't record the entire thing because I'd genuinely run out of disk space if I recorded my every go at 32 fear

[mystic bison]

Lmao the scythe is so slow, is that Hermes?

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242963537962340362/image.png?ex=664fbf80&is=664e6e00&hm=c4b3ec17234a09401a5dcd3b674a767e7f06221885eaf330832b76f0321e0864& this run probably could've won 32, but I might have died to lack of healing, I ate a lot of damage over this run lol

[tall notch]

Yea rolled epic hermes in Erebus, it trivalises Hecate too

[tall notch]

I do not know how to avoid damage with Medea. In rooms I can rely on freeze but fighting Cerb & Chronos with it is beyond my level of skill

[sour cape]

For attack? Apollo, Aphro, Hera, Demeter all got good reasons for them imo

Zeus and Hephaestus ehhh

[mystic bison]

Mel staff is a real fun playstyle, and it holds a special place in my heart since it was my first clear

Def need to try it out more and see how to maximize damage

[timber pawn]

ya there's a method to it, apparently? idk. Maybe just being way more conservative. the clear speed is fast enough that you can take bosses a bit slower

I had 4 mins to spare with a 5 min timer so

[tall notch]

My first was Circe staff out of all things

[hollow stag]

Whoever gets Double Moonshot, Slippery Slope, King Tide, Chaos Special, Poseidon + Hestia Duo Boon early is probably going to get WR.

It seems that Poseidon + Hestia boon stacks on itself per hit.

[timber pawn]

That's actually wild lol

[timber pawn]

Honestly seems like the most important time save is getting a chaos gate at the beginning of zone 3 lol

[tired fulcrum]

Even though the visual get spammed, it just seems to refresh the dot, also it removes slip and steam doesnt count as a curse for origination so its kinda bad

[forest veldt]

if u gamble and get a well after 1st zone w/ a gate should be fastest, since first zone is 2 encouters instead of 3. haven't seen yet tho

[hollow stag]

It melts so fast with the steam!

[tired fulcrum]

And without

Like 125 dps is nothing compared to what antler momus already does

[forest veldt]

125 rly low. anter momus ~2k but w/ higher boon rarity and lvs its ~3k

[timber pawn]

I think ideal boon pool is just poseidon into hera into dem or heph for support, for a momus run

Engagement ring busted for hecate

[tall notch]

@tired fulcrum sorry for the off-topic but I have to ask you something since it's been bothering me for a while now. Why don't you have a pineapple in your profile picture with that username?

[forest veldt]

ya getting hera and swapping off after is nice

[tired fulcrum]

Cuz uh. Why not

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh ideal support is just apollo because of his sprint applying daze to everything for origination also a little bit of extra sprint speed

[tall notch]

Hey I looked at what it does and thought that's gonna be a fun playstyle. I also thought levelling it would make it require fewer hits instead of just making serenity longer

[timber pawn]

Ah true that's a good point

[timber pawn]

Maybe that will be it's final state of being

[tall notch]

I'd love for it to get a rework where it's the dedicated attack aspect. As long as serenity is meant to let you spam omegas, it can only be either a stronger Mel staff or a weaker Mel staff depending on balance

#h2-tech-support message LMAO IT'S POSSIBLE TO PRIME TO A NEGATIVE NUMBER

[timber pawn]

Kek, that's amazing

I was just thinking, I think the worst part of chronos was his orbs. With medeas attack delivery method being 'dash into enemy' do you just wait for them to despawn or what

I just dove in because coarse grit but like

[tired fulcrum]

You dont hit by the orbs if youre close enough so ig can dash in then do a really short special

Unless even that is too far

[timber pawn]

Even just through him from the inner circle was too far afaik

[ionic moon]

melee could use some love in general

[timber pawn]

Melee that isn't medea can work around it

Medea just gets clonked lol

[tall notch]

I don't mind it as much personally because it's my preferred playstyle anyway, but the game is quite obviously centred around ranged combat

[plain fossil]

I just hide offscreen and run in circles until im allowed to dps

[pastel elm]

i feel like circe stick without the serenity would be way better i wish i could turn it off

it makes huntress/spirit surge way less appealing

[plain fossil]

I think cast could be a little better at ccing enemies on 40% speed

[tall notch]

But why'd you run serenity without Circe

[plain fossil]

That would help melee a lot

[ionic moon]

yeah the lack of double dash, athena, and even letting weapon swings destroy projectiles

[pastel elm]

just to use it or for personal bests or for all aspects runs or for one weapon only runs etc

the serenoty closes more doors than it opens

[ionic moon]

i used to love the arthur baseball bat build with divine strike just returning everything to sender with every swing

[plain fossil]

I mean i dont want athena to come back ever that was unpleasantly broken

I would say theres a few fundamental system issues with melee atm, like how theres probably too many melee unfriendly mobs early when the game is hardest, but theres probably more balance issues with melee which is good bc theyre more fixable

Both the obvious stuff and less obvious things like right now frinos is by far best companion and its much easier to position around him if ur ranged

Like generally when im playing axe i dont feel bad because melee feels bad, i feel bad because axe feels bad

I have a pretty good time with mel blades

[tall notch]

This might be fixed if the future companions are comparable to frinos or better

[haughty depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/488851656251932694/1242974217901703239/image.png?ex=664fc972&is=664e77f2&hm=8f91f9410facc5ccedd2b202edaf8cc34897ab41e0605a815fd17c21ae7d540c&

i could really use the health in my 24 fear torch run... it's oceanus still so i'll get decent value out of it... but the duo fated choice

[tall notch]

Defensive keepsake off the duo will probably give you more defense

[dawn cape]

I feel like freeze should be able to hard-CC bosses, the 10 second cooldown makes it balanced

Instead I'm not even sure if it's even able to slow them or if it's only just a curse proc on them

[tall notch]

There's a boon that increases freeze duration, you'd be able to disable bosses for a lot of the time

[haughty depot]

does it apply to rank 3 keepsakes?

[plain fossil]

Ye thats kinda my point, many of the issues with "melee" are more like hey mel axe sucks vs shields and 40 speed, or frinos is relatively too strong, or the lack of EM in the vow pool makes u click axe- unfriendly vows like the aforementioned shields and speed

[tall notch]

Yes

[plain fossil]

I kinda assume all those gonna get fixed

[haughty depot]

oh, darn, and i'm using phial too. ty

[dawn cape]

Fair, maybe have reduced freeze duration but still a freeze on bosses

[plain fossil]

Freeze is op enough lul i really dont think it needs a buff

[tall notch]

Might as well buff Momus to let you move while channeling because it doesn't have much mobility

[dawn cape]

In the current game environment, if something's OP for most of the run but garbage against Chronos, it's garbage

[plain fossil]

Eh what no

[dawn cape]

Having to stop while spamming special is like the primary thing making Momus special-spam risky, otherwise it's just risk-free poke the enemy to death

[plain fossil]

Chronos is the least relevant part of high fear runs if u get to chronos without losing all ur DDs ur gonna win

[haughty depot]

double wallop builds are so mobile 🙂 and still good damage

[tall notch]

I was being sarcastic

[plain fossil]

Its ok i understood

[mystic bison]

I don't think Cherished Heirloom is that useful of a duo, it only upgrades some keepsakes and even then it's mostly a negligible amount imo

[dawn cape]

So high fear makes the rest of the game powerful enough to compete with the sheer run-ending potential of Chronos's attack patterns?

[tall notch]

It's still fated list and probably more useful than Demeter's seed boon

[zenith bolt]

is the run-ending potential in the room with us right now

[mystic bison]

Erebus is a run ender on high fear, if you manage to get to Kronos your build is already online and you are destroying everything

[plain fossil]

No, high fear makes the rest of the game esp earlygame much more likely to brick ur run than chronos. It doesnt compete it obliterates chronos difficulty

[tall notch]

Doesn't even need to be high hear, around 16 early game starts getting more dangerous than Chronos himself

[mystic bison]

High fear is a race to get your build online while avoiding getting brutally murdered early game

[dawn cape]

And presumably by the time a player gets to high fear they know how to counter all the moves except the boomerang and can make builds good enough to kill Chronos before he can use the boomerang enough to be lethal

[plain fossil]

Wym except boomerang

[tender smelt]

what boomerang

[plain fossil]

Boomerang is dodgeable on reaction

[dawn cape]

Chronos's untelegraphed and near-instant scythe boomerang

[tender smelt]

oh

[plain fossil]

Stand in front of chronos dash behind him when he moves his shoulders

[tender smelt]

i hate that stupid attack it hits me so much

[dawn cape]

Which is like half of what makes him dangerous (the other half being ignoring Sorceress)

[mystic bison]

Boomerang is counterable, either sit still or dash through

[tall notch]

It can be outranged, it can be reacted to, you can run projectile speed reduction

Boomerang takes a moment to get used to but is far from an unfair move

[tender smelt]

Eos what build do i do for hammer 20 fear?

[dawn cape]

It legit feels like "okay, the player on their first run might beat this boss without taking any damage if they're skilled, we need an attack that beats even the best players"

[plain fossil]

Sigh it wouldnt be a new day without automod

[plain fossil]

Ok but theres like 5 ppl in here telling u it doesnt beat them lul

Guess we all better than best players

[dawn cape]

Fair, but I still find that I only dodge it via luck

[tall notch]

I'd recommend Zeus cast Thanatos but I know that build has been a miss for a lot of people so up to you if you wanna try it

[dawn cape]

Guess my reaction times are poor

[plain fossil]

Watch his shoulders

[tender smelt]

1st thing i aint good enough to be good with thanatos, i get hit too often
also its tier 1 :(

[plain fossil]

He moves shoulders u dash through him

[mystic bison]

Kronos damage might get nerfed, does Hades have 40+ damage moves without heat modifiers, and other than with a skull in you or the laser?

[tall notch]

Then uh, I guess the usual Apollo+Demeter+Zeus Charon?

[tender smelt]

tier 1 as well :)

[plain fossil]

Boomerang only hits for 35 on no heat

[tall notch]

That weapon is good enough to beat 20 fear at tier 1

[tender smelt]

i only have melinoe as it looked the best but i guess not

[mystic bison]

I thought it was 40

[plain fossil]

I think hades big swipe was abour 35 no heat?

[tender smelt]

really?

[mystic bison]

And what about the clock arrows on 0 fear?

[tender smelt]

what boons am i looking for specifically?

[dawn cape]

Hades also has no way to one-shot you from full HP regardless of build or HP investment

[mystic bison]

Those gotta be 40+

[plain fossil]

Im not sure ive ever eaten a clock arrow ive got no idea how hard they hit

[tall notch]

Apollo cast + his duo boon with demeter + his duo boon with zeus ideally

[dawn cape]

The clock attack should hit really hard but there's a ton of difference between, say, 100 damage and 999 damage

[tender smelt]

can i get those consistently tho?

[mystic bison]

They hit extremely hard they are brutal

[tall notch]

You can get the cast and at least one of the duos consistently enough with the reroll-heavy arcana setup and keepsakes

[dawn cape]

Yes it's easy to avoid most of the time but sometimes the hitbox is wonky or you're slightly too slow and oops there goes an entire 250 HP

[tender smelt]

apollo keepsake? and i have 9 rerolls

[plain fossil]

The hitbox is totally fine but theres sometimes some mechanics overlap with the oneshots that makes u eat dumb things

[tall notch]

I love the overlaps, they just make me laugh whenever something BS oneshots me at this point

[tender smelt]

ty, and what arcana do you reccomend for it? srry for so many questions this is the last one

[dawn cape]

There's clips of people inside the circle doing an attack and then suddenly getting hit while inside the circle for 999

[plain fossil]

Like my last run i took about 30 damage from an hourglass on top of the clock number because obviously im not going to kill it