h2-builds-and-combat

[strange kite]

i only like sure shot with bouncy but otherwise the default spread is the ideal room clear

[zenith bolt]

cuz im lazy and it means i dont have to cast

[strange kite]

for single target i prefer the spiral

spiral annoyingly doesnt stack with pan i think

[oak ginkgo]

Pan blades with blitz special is insane

[strange kite]

so u end up with this stupid spread that doesnt clear as well as default but the damage and extra knives and fast charge is so good

huh

i dont think so?

in theory but something something cooldown something

blitz is dumb and needs a rework

[spare kite]

Just bring back jolted

[zenith bolt]

mint condition has got to be one of my favorite boons

[spare kite]

So true

[timber pawn]

it does yes I have proof actually

[zenith bolt]

i just rolled the worst hades i've ever seen https://i.imgur.com/6IK5Dzd.jpeg

like on a casual run im not gonna activate last gasp at all

[timber pawn]

it does fyi

[versed fulcrum]

wow

[timber pawn]

kek, dark can be nice

[oak ginkgo]

The trick with pan blades is to get a good cast, (I usually go with Hera). Then you blast em with all the knives at once

[strange kite]

life tax is fine

[zenith bolt]

on pan blades, ehhhhhhh

[bleak night]

I'd enjoy Unseen Ire more if the cooldown wasn't so long

[oak ginkgo]

Eh, life tax isn’t too bad honestly

[strange kite]

no….

[zenith bolt]

life tax is fine but this run is good enough where im not gonna use it much

[spare kite]

Unseen is just sad

[ionic lily]

yeah none of hades boons are bad per se, its just he has better boons lol

[strange kite]

the trick to pan is to put on poseidon keepsake and win

[mystic bison]

I been getting this shi for the past few runs

[strange kite]

less adds > all

[zenith bolt]

my hard carry this run https://i.imgur.com/30rzVuG.png

[bleak night]

damn

[oak ginkgo]

Nice!

[mystic bison]

I love mint condition so much

[meager bramble]

I had Mint Condition with that Poseidon boon that empowers you at the start of each encounter

Extremely fun combo, just hyper-aggressive facetanking

[zenith bolt]

hydraulic might

[meager bramble]

That's the one!

[spare kite]

Hydro might feels nice as always (+ the slight buff)

[zenith bolt]

goddamn https://i.imgur.com/9Hq3sh0.png

[bleak night]

Oooh, nice 10 stack

[warped harness]

pajama how much psyche do you have

[spare kite]

Oh hey I reached 100 runs finally

[ionic moon]

wish every infusion stacked

[bleak night]

You should see Cold's

[spare kite]

I've seen lmao

[warped harness]

what is the purple infusion boon thing from duos

[bleak night]

?

[warped harness]

yea

[spare kite]

Chaos's
Omega dmg per aether/duo/purple whatever you call it

[bleak night]

Chaos has Chant for it

[warped harness]

is it an everything?

[bleak night]

Nope, just for Chaos

[warped harness]

so you need to get a duo boon and then see chaos

that feels scuffed

[spare kite]

Their creation boon also gives purple

[zenith bolt]

^

[spare kite]

Why I'm mixing up names

[zenith bolt]

tis called aether

[spare kite]

1/2/3 based on rarity (4 if you get the barren curse but lol, lmao)

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/4cabnzA.png

[atomic plaza]

ummm which gods boons are best for fighting chornod

[bleak night]

prepped for if they release 5 more grasp, I see

[warped harness]

christ

[zenith bolt]

lol it'd be like 10k per level

[bleak night]

what weapon are you running

[atomic plaza]

i like melinoes staff the most

[zenith bolt]

ECH surface it is https://i.imgur.com/1XnHf0X.png

[bleak night]

just do an Omega Attack Mel Staff run

[bleak night]

hmmm, do you have aspects unlocked ?

[zenith bolt]

mehhh i think i just dont like staff

[bleak night]

I enjoy it if I'm doing a barrage build

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239973336914853978/Melinoe_Staff_shenanigans.mp4?ex=6644dea9&is=66438d29&hm=528297c68aa28c4b30691ec0370ba0333769b2b48dc4b76f97fac348b7584cce

[atomic plaza]

not aspect of momus or circe for the staffi dont know how to get the nmare stuff and i was trying to finish a surface run which i finally did

[timber pawn]

What software do you use for clips? I'm using Nvidia something or other and the files all end up gigantic

[bleak night]

Oh, in that case you might need to rely on some residual damage from Zeus Omega Cast and Scorch in order to do well with base staff, unless you can get lucky and build around Omega Attack, otherwise Zeus-Hestia with Air Quality infusion from Zeus should assist you while playing safe

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if a like magick dump staff build would be real or not
like born gain + apollo legendary + giga moonburst to spend like 70 magick per omega special

[bleak night]

win10 or 11 ? I'm on win11, so I use gamebar, it's WinButton + Alt + R

[zenith bolt]

and then add hexes to taste

[civic ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/uncut-gems-adam-sandler-this-is-how-i-win-smile-gif-16038071

[bleak night]

it cuts down the fps a bit, but it makes the sizes of the clips bearable enough for discord to accept

[timber pawn]

Apparently 10, I think I can just turn the quality way down on the Nvidia stuff. Or figure out how to convert

[zenith bolt]

i gotta take off artificer dude i keep forgetting i even have it

[bleak night]

+ 5 + =

[timber pawn]

Man you're just tposing on him that's crazy

[bleak night]

that's one way to look at it lol

[ionic moon]

now imagine if cross + double combo made it fire 4x in front

[bleak night]

cross ?

[zenith bolt]

i assume they mean this https://i.imgur.com/0JcJ3nh.png

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah

[ionic moon]

is it not cross cataclysm making it go sideways

[bleak night]

They should reword the Apollo Legendary, it doesn't double your omegas, it just adds one more instance

else I'd think I'd be shooting 4 instead of 3

[civic ocean]

I think this is maybe how Circe can be good, combining Apollo and Demeter For Weed Killer, Solar Ring, Local Climate, and the duo + legendary and using Serenity as your gain?

[zenith bolt]

how does circe count hits anyway? does poseidon/chain lightning count as 2 (ex. poseidon hit + special hit)?

or is it like specifically the attack/special hitting and nothing else

wtf is this rng today https://i.imgur.com/t7x3Qj2.png

[bleak night]

can you give me one pls

[spare kite]

wait do you mean in context of your vid? you are def shooting x4

[bleak night]

I want my galactic manta ray

[zenith bolt]

you haven't got a voidskate yet?

[bleak night]

wait what, I haven't noticed

[bleak night]

Just the one, I haven't sold it yet

[zenith bolt]

ive gotten like probably 6 or so total

half of that is today

[strange kite]

i have 0

[bleak night]

[zenith bolt]

i got 2 voidskates in a row last run

alongside the perfect hammer rng

[bleak night]

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1242674235583758397/image.png?ex=664eb211&is=664d6091&hm=7513bc6ece227c7246a544db721e795e4cc8c1cf805297de80060bae4e36b1b4& the other door was locked so I was able to throw a defiance lmao

[zenith bolt]

tuna still the rarest fish in the game tho

[bleak night]

nice

[zenith bolt]

life savings was the last one i got

now if my good rng could just give me barren curse or chaos defiance please

[timber pawn]

Croven just posted a torches speed, got 8:57

[zenith bolt]

insane, what aspect?

[timber pawn]

Mel actually

[zenith bolt]

it's so over eos bros...

[civic ocean]

Mel hive rise up!

[timber pawn]

Makes my 10:28 with eos actually look kind of respectable lol

[civic ocean]

what gods

[timber pawn]

Aphro special so far, watching now

https://youtu.be/_r1eUrh9sEc?si=8R1ve-xHOWW1yOzc

[zenith bolt]

mel with aphro/hestia

[west rain]

is the glory generated from aspect of persephone visible?

i was trying to test it and can't tell

[timber pawn]

Yup it's just slow. There's a gauge near your death defiances

[civic ocean]

@strange kite is this what one would consider "cope"

Is this a "1 boon build"

[coral cove]

what's a standard 16 fear loadout

[west rain]

i assume it resets every room? is it good?

[coral cove]

going for artemis blades rn

[timber pawn]

Interestingly, hestia regen works quite well as regen for mel special spam

[zenith bolt]

glory doesn't reset every room

[west rain]

oh then it's very good

[timber pawn]

It carries over. You can kind of ignore the glory bar and just play omega builds on it and it works well

The glory mech itself is... Fine

[civic ocean]

Yeah you can either just use the Omega Special and ignore glory completely or take Attack and Cast boons early and save the Omega Special as a big hammer to drop onto Guardians

[west rain]

wait why would you have to save it

[timber pawn]

I did an omega attack focused build and dumped a whole special bar on cerb and it finished off his first phase basically by itself

[civic ocean]

if you spam the omega special it never reaches max glory

[west rain]

also i definitely misread it as increasing damage. so +5 seconds is like "fine"

[zenith bolt]

always gamble on boon boon boon 🔥 https://i.imgur.com/CVq939q.png

[civic ocean]

5 seconds of Impervious while spewing massive damage is much better than "fine"

[west rain]

toh the glory is spent?

[civic ocean]

The Glory is spent every time you use the OSpec

[west rain]

got it

[timber pawn]

The pink aura build isn't a meme any more @bleak night

[bleak night]

wtf

[civic ocean]

I knew it was based

[timber pawn]

Lmao

[bleak night]

what's the point of playing the build if it's not a meme anymore

[paper tapir]

Is argent skull good with Aphrodite with that one aspect?

[civic ocean]

It's good with aph with all aspects probably

[timber pawn]

Aphro is frankly good with pretty much everything if you can stay close without eating dirt

[paper tapir]

I have way too much skill issue for that

[civic ocean]

it's honestly not that close

like from the center of your cast to the edge of it

Also the skull has a really strong omega special charge that protects you if you get close

[timber pawn]

I just did a 32 heat run tonight where aphro omega special was basically my only damage

So it definitely gets the job done

[paper tapir]

Thats still decently close if ur fighting someone like cebby imo

Wait, the special charge makes u immune to dmg?

[timber pawn]

If you do the omega version, not the normal version

[paper tapir]

Bruh finna do a special build with that one hammer upgrade then

[timber pawn]

Faster specials?

[paper tapir]

That and the one side thing

[timber pawn]

Ya thats what my run had, it definitely worked haha. The one side one is... Eh, I think twisting crash is better

[jovial cove]

yeah not a fan of side winder. I like the ones that boost skulls

[civic ocean]

I always forget what side it is

[jovial cove]

I think it's the right

[timber pawn]

It's left afaik

[spare kite]

left side/whatever side doesn't have the skull

[jovial cove]

dangit

[timber pawn]

I actually used it in my experimental omega attack focused run, and It was just awkward to aim, at best

[jovial cove]

I had a 50/50 shot and I flubbed it

[west rain]

Does Skull special trigger Romantic Spark?

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1242680967345213450/freemoney.mp4?ex=664eb856&is=664d66d6&hm=7636f0c23169484b8bc2b070734d70791a98437dbab862eb7ded46e3ea746db8& huh

[bleak night]

also happened to me before

[steep musk]

how much hp does chronos have?

[bleak night]

I feel like phase 1 has 20k and phase 2 has half that

[steep musk]

is there an official number tho

i mean your guess is probably pretty good tbh considering the stuff you get up to

[civic ocean]

That's right, drag that joycon-mouse weirdo

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242681907796381756/image.png?ex=664eb936&is=664d67b6&hm=5b3a61ddf11a3673bcfba0fad8dd883f78958df3f78ed5b6b8a76c872ae44ae5& zeus cast is strong huh

[steep musk]

uh did you mean to reply to my message i am very confused by this

[civic ocean]

Yes it's a joke about Mynt's setup

[steep musk]

oh lol

[spare kite]

didn't get origination online (and forgot the +50% when blocking hammer)

[bleak night]

[civic ocean]

"considering the stuff you get up to" LMAO

[bleak night]

valid point tbf

[spare kite]

wait how did howling soul get to 10k that quick

[bleak night]

probs counts some of the properties of the actual cast

[spare kite]

also I love that beating chronos makes toula go invisible for whatever reason

was she left on the phase 2 arena

[bleak night]

I never noticed that

[civic ocean]

does Frinos hang out

[spare kite]

frinos stays visible yeah

[steep musk]

ok so i beat chronos in 00:01:22 that means i did 365 dps if he has 30K hp

rookie numbers considering what hades 1 could get up to

[lost shell]

can u get more than one infusion boon per run?

[wary flicker]

Ok so...
Aspect of charon and the duo boon torrental downpour might just be the most busted thing I've seen

[bleak night]

yeah

[civic ocean]

It's big time for sure

[wary flicker]

I havent even been offered a cast upgrade

[civic ocean]

Local Climate too

[wary flicker]

And I'm still doing thousands of damage

[civic ocean]

The guide I'm writing is called Orbital Cannon and it's double duo with Apollo Demeter Zeus

[wary flicker]

I love the boons in this game man

[bleak night]

ion cannon in ancient Greece is fun

[civic ocean]

Ion Cannon better ye

[wary flicker]

I just hope we actually get an endless mode

Cause I hate getting so OP then the run just ends

[spare laurel]

Anyone got some good tips for the skull? I'm so fascinated by the weapon and it's very fun, but it all feels very awkward with pretty much any boon. I particularly like Medea's aspect but I have a lot of trouble finding good synergy. With the spread shell hammer it works amazing, but I can't find a lot of ways to use it by itself

[wary flicker]

WIth medea's aspect I like to go aphrodite or posidion, and just go in and blast off damage right in the faces of my foes so I can nearly instantly pick up the skulls

[plain fossil]

I just wanna say howling soul is broko

[wary flicker]

It takes some learning of attack patterns to avoid taking damage, but the damage is insane

90 base damage per shot in a pretty good aoe is nothing to scoff at.

[plain fossil]

Like not only does it do good damage and track and give range but it also makes the whole cast lock on to the target for the whole duration

[spare kite]

once I stopped playing medea like beo is a lot of fun huh

[spare laurel]

Maybe my build was wack, I had heroic aphro attack and epic special and yeah, I was doing good damage but it felt like it was lagging behind some other builds. I think I might find it better if I supplemented it with the privileged status curse debuff, but I'm not sure. Maybe Demeter?

Also, what about aspect of persephone, any tips? I love the concept but holy crap it looks like it takes absolutely forever to get enough glory, and I just lose it all if I use the omega special if I have just a little bit. Seems really hard to save up for a big moment

[lost shell]

best weapon to air quality scorch?

[spare laurel]

Can you explain a bit?

[spare kite]

I kept trying to load 2 skulls minimum out of habit (hp thresholds stuff) , just going 1 skull into special feels a lot better

[spare laurel]

Ah yeah I did notice that

[plain fossil]

Imo air quality scorch is best as a cast build, if u want to weapon it then most of the time poseidon will give u better results for the boon investment

[spare laurel]

if I load 3 skulls there's barely enough time to do anything. It is very satisfying to do it if you get lucky and get that spread shell hammer to just load them all at once tho

[timber fractal]

Weird question but is it me or does selene not really feel that strong? the only buff i like is moon water really

[plain fossil]

Since they scale in a similar manner

[timber pawn]

Persephone works as just an omega machine, you can play it as omega attack focused and use the omega special once in a while, or you can just spam the omega special

[slate yarrow]

it's not just you lol

[timber pawn]

Ya folks tend to agree that Selene needs some help, for sure

[timber fractal]

like the calls or whatever they were called from hades 1 seemed to melt

[spare laurel]

That's such a shame though, feels like it's super hard to incorporate the aspect's unique mechanic into gameplay

[plain fossil]

Well i mean the current consensus best aspect doesnt use its unique mechanic at all, u just click it for the broken passive buff, so its hardly unique in that manner

[spare kite]

one thing I wanna say
give skull charged shot lmao

[timber pawn]

I did have an omega attack focused build that played the weapon 'the right way' I just kind of picked the wrong gods for it. But it did 1 phase cerbs phase 1 with a giant omega charge. That was neat

[plain fossil]

Theres a few issues with hex atm:

• unupgraded hexes are very low impact

• some hexes require an unreasonable amount of mana to use, to the point where theyre literal bricks in act 1 and not good later

• some hexes like laser and darkside are undertuned to the point where if they were free and didnt need charging i still probably wouldnt click them very often

[timber pawn]

Also they show up room 1 sometimes which... Is bad

[plain fossil]

Yea thats point 2

And also point 1 i guess, unupgraded hexes are just why does this thing even exist

The only act 1 unupgraded hex that doesnt make me want to uninstall is wolf howl and even that is merely bad rather than controller-destroyingly awful

[wary flicker]

Hexes and Hestia, once they get buffed I think we are set for life

[civic ocean]

If they buff Hestia she is going to take over

[timber fractal]

absolutly agree to each

[timber fractal]

i think moon water is VERY good when mildly upgraded

[wary flicker]

When I say buff her, I mean more of a light rework then just some stat increases or flat bonuses

[ionic moon]

if they fix how scorch works, look out funeral pyre + freezer burn combo

[plain fossil]

The problem with act 1 moon water is it doesnt give damage so it makes rooms harder than if u got a damage boon

[wary flicker]

Hestia's damage is just a weaker version of posideons right now, it just needs a little love to nudge it into being unique

[civic ocean]

It's already unique and really quite strong if you know how to enable it with Zeus

[ionic moon]

that's a crutch

[spare laurel]

I mean I'm speaking for myself, if I see a funny little mechanic on a weapon I'd like to use it even if not optimal. I already don't play meta in pvp games much less a single player one lmao

[civic ocean]

my brother in zeus you build the crutches

[wary flicker]

doing ANYTHING other then max heat with mel's torches is a crutch

[spare laurel]

How did you do it exactly? Also since we are on this, what's the fastest way to charge up glory for speed-of-sound skull?

[timber fractal]

wdym give damage? its not meant for damage, its just an extra cussion for healing

[plain fossil]

I dont love the requirement for zeus infusion for scorch fwiw especially as the infusion is quite expensive and doesnt have much overlap with hestia boons

[civic ocean]

idk like the requirement to make Volcanic "good" the same way Hestia needs AQ to be good is like 10 poms or something but ain't nobody out here say we gotta buff Heph right

[timber pawn]

Idk in fastest but I just had rocket bombardment hammer and used a lot of omega attacks, which charge fast, for most of my damage, until the special was charged

[plain fossil]

So like if ur early boons dont have damage, aoe, or mobility u tend to take a lot more of a beating in early rooms at high heat. The difference between having a decent damage boon in the first couple of rooms and having some healing like moonwater is pretty enormous. Moonwater is fine its just not good early

[plain fossil]

Thats because nobody is clicking heph for volcanic lul

[ionic moon]

i actually do think heph should have some kind of "reduce volcanic timer per hit" or something (obviously have to lower the damage as well). then it's a nice match for fast weapons

[plain fossil]

If u needed 10 poms to make mint condition work u bet people would be screaming for heph buffs

[civic ocean]

Yeah nobody normally clicks Zeus or Heph or Hest for their one-off damage stuff and that's totally fine, they give other useful utility, and then if you lean into Scorch/Blitz/Vent it can pop off

[ionic moon]

i mean every god should have good builds where they can be the main attack or special

[civic ocean]

Yeah and they do!

[plain fossil]

Ok sure but i still dont like any of those final things because theyre generally magical christmasland setups which can wreck ur run if u dont get the pieces

I dont mind them in principle and im happy they exist but i dont consider them to be optimal and i wont click them unless ive got no other option or ive got the support pieces alrdy

[civic ocean]

I mean it is the optimal way to play scorch, right

[plain fossil]

Im suggesting that the optimal way to play scorch is to not click scorch

[timber fractal]

I mean i feel like early game damage isnt really an issue, even with no boons hecate is easy even with some fear

[civic ocean]

Everyone keeps calling it "magical christmasland" and then Bismuth and Coldshade actually try it and we put it together mid Oceanus without Chaos/Narc

[plain fossil]

Hecate is the least scary thing about act 1 its the rooms that are scary on high fear

[west rain]

wow ok persephone is dumb

[plain fossil]

I mean ive tried this myself and i consider it unpleasantly difficult considering it locks u into god combos that i also dont like

[west rain]

just beat chronos without using any death defies. spamming omega aphrodite special and omega apollo cast and a ton of mana regen

[ionic moon]

i think it's crazy to have the main damage mechanic of a god be dependent on another god to be viable... but then again we had ares doom + merciful end, so what do i know

[plain fossil]

Like its hard to take demeter, its hard to take poseidon, its hard to take hera as third god for any of these because u run into problems with getting enough rainbow swirlies

[civic ocean]

Wasn't Hangover like exactly like this, needing the Ares and Aph duos to be viable

[plain fossil]

And sure yea i mean if ur good enough to do high fear with hestia zeus aph or something then hey fantastic go nuts i just know its going to brick my runs

[spare kite]

dio is pretty much feed it poms

[ionic moon]

yes, you'll notice a pattern that dots in hades just intrinsically need help to work

scorch, doom, hangover

[civic ocean]

Yeah but like they were and are viable right

You just gotta build the crutch

[spare kite]

hangover is weird cuz like for high heat is a solid option for not needing more boon combos
but also the dmg is quite lacking so you end up resetting for zeus + jolted anyways

[civic ocean]

But I think crucially, in Hades 2 because of the 3 god pool and Vow of Arrogance I think crutch building is like easy as heck

[spare kite]

dio's call is pretty good tho

[civic ocean]

And the 10 rerolls

[timber pawn]

Fwiw I may have had narc give me elements, I think I did. Either way, still viable.

But ya I think in general that dot based gods playing a 'secondary' role outside duo boons is totally fine

[plain fossil]

This is reasonable but for me its not as much about consistency as it is about what it does to the rest of ur build and what u could be doing instead

Personally ive felt best with air quality scorch as a cast build rather than anything that cares about the weapon

Although i havent really done it at high heat only like 8 heat clowning so

[novel maple]

I'd love for scorch to be active for longer without needing to stack it, simply to activate the 2 curse thingy

[tired fulcrum]

Epic dio call my 50 heat crutch

[civic ocean]

Yeah you either take Aph for Passion Dash or Zeus for Storm Ring to start building wind and give you the early burst

[plain fossil]

Like idk if im trying to do scorch with some fast hitting weapon like eos or momus im just like why didnt i click poseidon my life would have been 57 times more mindless

And i think the delta between poseidon and scorch on weapon is larger than the delta than, say, zeus and scorch on cast

[civic ocean]

Oh I mean no doubt I'm not trying to say if all you care about is the dub you shouldn't be mashing wave daddy

But I don't think we want everything to be as strong as current Poseidon right

[plain fossil]

Yea sure also reasonable

[civic ocean]

I guess the main problem with Hestia is that most of the scorch related boons are like pretty terrible and actively bad for the AQ build

[plain fossil]

I just like clicking coarse grit and mint condition and things like that because i stand in too much dumb stuff and i dont think the scorch setup lets me do that enough lul

[novel maple]

Also one stack of scorch is gone in .1 second, so you cant splash it to activate cursycard

Unless you use cast

[plain fossil]

Weirdly enough base hestia cast doesnt consistently apply scorch either lul

[novel maple]

And you gotta lean pretty heavily into it

[plain fossil]

It applies 30 scorch per second so it only has 75% uptime even when its up

[tough matrix]

I had an interesting run

Used Zeus + twin daggers, plan was to grab the "Prime for lightning boon" ,but that never worked out

Instead, ended up with his Epic Special + ranged cast.

Hit them with a throwing dagger, then hit them with the cast. Zeus does the third hit.

Not the most effective build, but it did a fair bit of lazy damage

I was using the pan daggers, I think they're called. Use cast and then omega special to track targets.

I think the blitz effect did very little, since it can't be triggered that fast

But I got a surprisingly helpful pair of hammers

[marble quiver]

Is it bad that I haven’t beaten Chronos by run 27 or is it common to get hung up on phase 2?

[plain fossil]

I dont think thats rare at all especially if ur doing surface stuff

Chronos is a lot of mechanics, mechanics take learning time

[empty trellis]

whats the strongest boon for mana regen

[shell ingot]

i had a chaos boon that granted crazy mana / sec

[spare kite]

Hera's

[civic ocean]

Tiered in order in my brain
Hera
Poseidon Heph Chaos
Hestia
Aph Apollo
Demeter Zeus

[empty trellis]

bet thanks

[bleak night]

put Demeter's maybe 2 tiers under Zeus'

[plain fossil]

Heph is a weird one i think its kinda bad for actual regen but its got the best side benefit

[plain fossil]

Someone here was insisting demeter didnt suck

[civic ocean]

Nah Zeus is is for real absolutely terrible

Demeter is also bad but has niche use on Charon

[plain fossil]

I will say the last time i played apollo gain i was like u know what demeter would probably be better here but thats probs a consequence of being dumb enough to click apollo gain on charon axe

[bleak night]

Zeus' isn't so bad if you're not doing the priming Vow

[civic ocean]

I don't have proof yet just intuition but I also believe the back end of the Axe Special animation counts towards Tranquil

[lost shell]

best weapon to air quality scorch?

[civic ocean]

Uhhhh Momus Pan Persephone Eos probably?

[plain fossil]

Momus probably lmao

[civic ocean]

Any staff is good

[lost shell]

and how should i build? zeus on main dmg?

[plain fossil]

Although as i said earlier i prefer that setup as a cast build since ur hestia zeus anyway

[civic ocean]

You want to use Zeus and Aph or Apollo's wind boons to give you a ton of damage early and then pick up Hestia later

The idea is that by the time Zeus' flat damage falls off against big enemies and bosses you use scorch to supplement it

[lost shell]

Hmm

So for example, Zeus on attack and aph special for the skull and zeus on special and aph/apollo on main attack on pan?

and this leaves hestia for the cast?

[civic ocean]

no, you want hestia on two of attack/cast/special

For example on Pan you could go:

Zeus Cast
Passion Dash
Aph Attack
Apollo Attack
Zeus Attack

Aph attack puts you down 1 wind but gives you lots of dmg

Then as you go, take wind boons from Hermes, Artemis, Aph/Apollo, and Zeus

@calm maple I linked your YT video in my axe build guide lmk if you want me to take it down but I told ppl to sub so w/e

[lost shell]

so you would leave hestia for special in pan aspect?

[civic ocean]

I would leave Hestia for Special and Cast or Attack ye

on Pan you could just use special

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1242188723454611587/Hades_II_2024-05-19_18-03-58.mp4?ex=664e3f66&is=664cede6&hm=ce7150af70e7c3460e9b6393b773b1c72c610be6f115fb64f1a29668e6293c1d& @rare path redirecting the omega special is possible by pressing/holding attack during the animation

[civic ocean]

Do you have this linked anywhere so I can post it to my axe guide

[tired fulcrum]

I dont have it on youtube or anything, you can just use the video there

also btw someone else found the tech

[civic ocean]

how the heck do I upload that to google sheets

[timber pawn]

You could probably remake this as a gif if you want to embed

[rare path]

NO WAY!!!! So I press attack even though I’m specialling?

[tired fulcrum]

Idk. Imgur link

[civic ocean]

too old

[timber pawn]

Lmao

[tired fulcrum]

Yep, pressing attack also lets you redirect the axe combo finisher

[rare path]

Oh my god thank you so much. Someone earlier said that you could do with quick joystick flicks but I could never get it to work. Thank you so much

[plain fossil]

I think everyone does this naturally right since ur alrdy clicking attack for axe combo

[tired fulcrum]

I mean i just tapped attack before i learned it

[rare path]

No you’re pressing special?

[tired fulcrum]

They mean for redirecting axe combo finisher

[plain fossil]

Specifically the axe combo yes ur alrdy pressing attack

[rare path]

Sorry I’m not understanding, attack and special are 2 distinct inputs, different buttons

[plain fossil]

Theres 2 places clicking attack lets u redirect an ability in the middle

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1239814025559408773/1241566909812572251/Hades_II_2024-05-18_18-42-43.mp4?ex=664e9f4a&is=664d4dca&hm=3c1031e8fdcc12be6f534baf82a8e65fb8b014b53626f869050b3633edc191d8& like for axe combo

[rare path]

@tired fulcrum how does this work with the final attack chop?

[plain fossil]

1. During axe special, which was the first half of the conversation and what ur talking about

2. During axe three hit attack combo, which ananas mentioned as an aside and what in talking about

[tired fulcrum]

Same way, just press or keep holding attack during the animation.

[plain fossil]

Ye u can redirect/redash big chop too its like the only way to make that thing playable

Start the animation out of range and dash in halfway

[rare path]

Can’t test this out just yet but I’m too hyped and need to know, will this work in any combination of directions? E.g. charge omega special North, dash South just before slam, have it come out East?

@dim burrow see above

I just posted the same feedback but it is already possible !

[eternal thunder]

a personal favourite build of mine (note that this does not mean it is good) is what i call the Big Powerful Strike. the basic idea is skull with hephaestus on the special, and then other boons that in any way improve attack damage or similar. this works because charging up your omega special and then hearing the clang is great fun

[dim burrow]

OH thank you

[spare kite]

@latent ermine are you using auto fire/combo by any chance? (Settings > gameplay iirc)

[latent ermine]

i tried to turn it off in the setting but can't find it

[spare kite]

Try accessibility ?

[civic ocean]

It's just a small part of a build guide I don't have an in depth doc on axe tech axe players are weirdos

[rare path]

Sorry, are you calling me a weirdo?

[slow spindle]

strongest weapons so far in your opinions?

[civic ocean]

If the handle fits

[rare path]

twin blades imo

[sour cape]

Momus staff is generally what most consider best

I see Pan Blades often get called overpowered too

[civic ocean]

Momus Staff, Pan Blades, Eos Torches (shoutout to Mel torches too tho), Charon Axe, Persephone skull are my picks

[rare path]

Why i dont understand whats the issue? Also you replied to my question by randomly talking about your build guide? Like wah?

[civic ocean]

Oh I misread your comment haha my b

You meant east the direction not East my name

[rare path]

Omg LOL

I didnt even click with that. So do you know the answer to that question? Charge -> dash -> final slam all different directions?

[sour cape]

Whats the way for Momus staff 32 fear? Poseidon, Zeus, Demeter?

[civic ocean]

It's during the animation of Melinoe rising up and slamming down the axe, you hold/tap the attack button and dash and then you can use the control stick to change the direction the impending Special goes

[civic ocean]

Poseidon Heph Demeter is my fave so far

[rare path]

Haha jeeze ok i feel like you aren't reading the question or ive worded it poorly. Is it possible to charge the axe omega special facing Up, before the slam dash Down, then after my dash, redirect the final slam Sideways?

[sour cape]

True heph is good, tired of Charon not having fun with no mana and 2 shields 😭

[civic ocean]

Yes, and how I described it is how you do that. Basically, tapping or holding attack "unlocks" the Special and lets you aim it however you want

[rare path]

Brilliant! Thanks for the replies, sorry about the miscommunication earlier

[civic ocean]

I think heph and dem do defense best and if you do Antler Momus you don't need more dmg

[sour cape]

Antler?

[civic ocean]

White Antler

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml I go into details here but basically you hold your hp low and use white antler for crits

[sour cape]

Oh just stay at low life? 👀

[strong lotus]

is there a good build for flame 32?

[civic ocean]

Yeah building off of Aph start is usually pretty good, it's hard though

[strong lotus]

I tried axe 32 but gave up

[sour cape]

Wow thats really low boon

Guess Antler op 👀👀

So Poseidon anf then swap to Antler?

[delicate spindle]

Yes, this combo is how people speed run the game

[west thunder]

Do you guys typically go for the arcana cards that increase boon rarity, or do you prefer more rerolls instead?

[lean pike]

i like rerolls better

[forest veldt]

reroll, depends on build but i find rerolls are more helpful than more rarity since can use god boon to rarify main dmg boon

[civic ocean]

Most people usually play high Fear with Vow of Arrogance active, and in that case Excellence and Divinity tend to be actively harmful Arcana

But it depends on your playstyle. I like 10 rerolls.

[west thunder]

Is that the vow that primes magic for every boon above common rarity?

[civic ocean]

Yes.

[forest veldt]

is the extra stuff in game a spoiler? the warded place

[civic ocean]

Spoilers are allowed here

[novel maple]

what extra stuff and what warded place?

[civic ocean]

Surface

[west thunder]

That makes sense, I wasn't really thinking of that. How big of a difference does rarity usually make anyway?

[novel maple]

ah i see

[civic ocean]

Unless im wrong ofc

[forest veldt]

i like 10 rolls for underworld and 6 for surface since dont think the gold is very helpful

[novel maple]

it's like an extra pom iirc

[civic ocean]

I think it's usually about one pom of power?

[forest veldt]

ya think its mostly 1 pom, prob some that are dif tho

[west thunder]

1 pom of power for every rarity upgrade right? So 1 pom of difference between common and rare or rare and epic?

[novel maple]

it's more about diminishing returns on poms

[tired fulcrum]

Rarity is usually equal to first pom. But poms after the first usually suck

[novel maple]

but generally the synergies are what make the build good. rarity is just a nice bonus

[civic ocean]

About that yeah, like ananas said the first pom is about as good as a rarity jump

[forest veldt]

agree, after damage boon mostly its about activiting synergies

[civic ocean]

Playing to what makes your aspect good yeah

[west thunder]

Thanks guys I appreciate it. I've always had the rarity cards on but Demeter has me eyeing these reroll cards more. She never offers her cast lol

[forest veldt]

only builds that prob care more about rarity are ones w/ good dmg supports or 2 main skills like medea

[civic ocean]

I'm thinking about Circe and Poseidon Casts

[forest veldt]

vow of forskaing rly nice if doing rerolls, helps w/ duo and legendaries

[civic ocean]

Sure for what

[forest veldt]

as main dmg?

[spring comet]

Knife fight supremacy is real in Hades II

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/686732234161651810/1242717239610834954/2024-05-22_01-50-40.mp4?ex=664eda1e&is=664d889e&hm=64aca5c9f600fe16acc0b2d110745f7d2b762d2a18a764fdbff7be47bdcef418&

[civic ocean]

Just remember that it's 2 weeks in and I am human so a bunch of that info will end up being suboptimal probably

[strong lotus]

Flame is so bad ong

gonna adjust to 9min and trade for 2 blue hearts mob ig

[civic ocean]

Sure lmk how it goes

[novel maple]

still have to do a successful poseidon cast run. the one time i made it feel good i primed all my mana away. thanks zeus regen 🙃

[forest veldt]

the torches would be nuts w/ pos if there wasn't a icd on the flames w/ waves

[west thunder]

The fact this is without origination active is wild. What exact boons are pushing the damage this high?

[spring comet]

I can go get the list lol

[civic ocean]

I think Flames do super well if you turn down the damage stuff deals and turn the clock to 5 fwiw

[bleak night]

bruh moment

[west thunder]

I've used aspect of Pan plenty, usually with Poseidon or Aphro, but I never get half health off Cerberus in one omega special type damage. Usually like 25-30% at most

[strong lotus]

I did hecate in 7min30 with heroic Aphrodite

[civic ocean]

Hook Knives are NOT making it out of the balance patch alive

[slender grail]

Hook Knives is busted, it carried me with Mel aspect so much

[novel maple]

wdym? they are perfectly balanced!

hook knifes are best backstab knifes

[calm maple]

All good bro

[slender grail]

Anywho, where are the Big Chop enjoyers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75d_6fxTXOw

[bleak night]

you have an Axe build guide ?

[civic ocean]

The spreadsheet has the Charon guide up now

I mention the tech at the bottom under gameplay

[bleak night]

Oooh, I see

[civic ocean]

There is now a guide to all weps

[bleak night]

you have a link ?

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml#

[bleak night]

You wanna use the boon icons instead of the photos of the gods btw ?

I have them rendered that I can send in a .zip

[civic ocean]

I think for rn this is just treading water until someone makes a site but I WOULD appreciate the zip for YT thumbnails pretty please

[bleak night]

sure I'll dm

@calm maple Did you see the Axe tech that Coin posted btw ?

[calm maple]

I would agree, but honestly you have to ask how they made it into early access to begin with. It's so busted in such an obvious way that I feel like it MUST be deliberate.

[calm maple]

I did not

[plain fossil]

The delta between good and bad hammers is pretty wild hey its way bigger than the delta between good and bad god boons even accounting for how narrow hammers can be

[calm maple]

Big true

[plain fossil]

Especially on some hammer reliant weapons like pan daggers and mel torch

[bleak night]

https://x.com/second_saint/status/1792249833740276115 https://discord.com/channels/@me/1241228746736930939/1242513885244952576 You can Shield cancel the Hex channeling startup in order to slow down time and keep the iframes, but it only works for those with extended startup lag

Coin Flip (@second_saint) on X

Axe Special Hex Cancels in action. Looks like ground based effects still tick damage during the stop, like Apollo omega cast and Demeter Cyclone.

Optimizing it would probably be Apollo + Zeus for the better positioning, shoot for his infusion that all damage at least 30

Twitter · May 19, 2024, 5:43 PM

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241228746736930939/1242513883864760340/Hades_II_2024.05.21-11.13_clip_2.mp4?ex=664ec57a&is=664d73fa&hm=700fbdf4de6029c874afb2fbe483516875d7a0280973af7cfac2a9f1281cfe9a& oops

[calm maple]

Some hammers are genuine millstones

[civic ocean]

Icarus do be cookin

[spring comet]

Here’s the boon list:

• Blades, Aspect of Mel, Rank V: +40% backstab dmg
• Ice Flourish Lv2 (common): +60% spc dmg
• Hook Knives (Hammer): spc return, +50% backstab dmg
• Gagged Flourish (Epic): spc +88% dmg
• Tall Order (Infusion): +20% dmg (2 of all elements req)
• Room Temperature (Duo): Hep blasts clear Freeze, allowing immediate refreeze
• Spiral Knives (Hammer): 40% dmg, 16 blades in circle
• Concentrated Flurry (Hammer): Spc gains +4 pwr per repeated hit
• Exceptional Talent (Legendary): Omega Atk + Spc fire twice, cost increase +20MP

[spring comet]

There it is

[novel maple]

good ol hook knifes backstab

[long hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/impressive-very-nice-christian-bale-nice-great-gif-10653547

[novel maple]

could probably go higher if you had the omega special fires in one line upgrade

instead of spiral knifes

maybe not though. for roomclear this should be better

[spring comet]

Nah, you drop the projectile count from 16 with spiral knives back down to 5

[calm maple]

Nice; better make the most of it b4 it gets patched.

[novel maple]

it's 5 extra knifes no? so should still be a bunch

i never bothered to count them though

oh, 5 extra is for pans

ignore me. carry on

[spring comet]

yeah, but because of the legendary boon that echo gave me from my prior run - luckiest s* *t ever along with the third hammer - that makes my current omega special fire thirty two knives

straight up dio brando action

[west thunder]

Apollo legendary explains it lol

Not to mention 3 hammers and a duo on top of that. Hot damn

[spring comet]

and I got that last run, and the echo choice to get a random boon from the prior run picked that out of all of the boons it could have chosen from

[ionic moon]

do you also have other assets from the game? i could use the boon and hammer icons

[plain fossil]

Like i said a couple times now, pan makes the best youtube videos

[bleak night]

that's pretty much what I have, yeah. Should I send ?

[west thunder]

Yeah all of that before Tartarus is really nice. Good stuff

[spring comet]

I’m going to record the whole Tartarus run

[west thunder]

The fact you used Melinoe aspect instead of Pan too is impressive

[spring comet]

+40% backstab damage

I don’t have Pan beyond rank 2

[ionic moon]

yes please, thanks!

[calm maple]

It's a damn shame that hook knives doesn't stack with the bounce hammer. Saw a VTuber do a run the other day that might have gone all the way on her first run out of oceanus, if she hadn't taken bone knives and never herself

[west thunder]

I wish you got more nightmare easier to use more aspects to their full potential. I'm trying to save some because I know there will be a 6th weapon + a new aspect for every weapon

[bleak night]

sent

[novel maple]

6th weapon will have testaments again i guess

[zenith bolt]

testaments are 6 nightmare per weapon and you need 14 to max the two non-mel aspects

annoying grind is annoying

[ionic lily]

man, the one time I decide to do a fun low-fear momus run on the surface, the city gives me poseison-hera-demeter without using keepsakes or rerolling

[spring comet]

Knife bounce hammer is my favorite thing ever, particularly if you strap it to Hera’s hitch boon and clap the nearest unfortunate soul with Smithy Sprint

[zenith bolt]

"you will have your insane run and you will like it" - hades 2, i guess

[spring comet]

fun fact: the whole room dies instantly

[bleak night]

are there any attack speed boons in this game besides Hermes ?

[novel maple]

does chaos have some?

[tired fulcrum]

Dont think so, only channel speed

[bleak night]

he has raw attack damage, no

[novel maple]

yeah, i remember channel and dmg.
so i think it's only hermes

or hammers if you count stuff like 2 attacks

[vital jackal]

Ok, which mana regen boon is better, demeter or apollo?
Currently thinking of a build with hera apollo and demeter, but I don't want the hera boon.

[novel maple]

apollo

[vital jackal]

Alright thanks

[ionic lily]

for what weapon/aspect?

[vital jackal]

Circe staff

[novel maple]

bro is cooking

[ionic lily]

serenity should be enough mana regen

[vital jackal]

Yeah but at the end my omega attack should cost 50 so...

I need a lot of mana

[ionic lily]

then hera is the best mana gain boon

[novel maple]

yeeah. i think 50 is a LOT to regain

[tired fulcrum]

If you need that much mana then you want born gain yeah

[vital jackal]

Huh. Ok thanks

[tired fulcrum]

Just like grab a mana pot or two and rarify a born gain then maybe pom it at least once

[lament kestrel]

why would u not want the hera boon

[novel maple]

i guess demeter would be more reliable there than apollo to regain 50? but standing still for 1 second is rough

[vital jackal]

'Cause my idea is the apollo legendary the demeter boon that makes your omega attack more expensive but makes it make more damage and the hammer that makes it hit twice in the front

And the hera boon that makes omega moves make more damage when on full mana

[ionic lily]

id still go for mel aspect for that for the faster charge time rather than circe

[plain fossil]

Axe hammer 👍 that one seems to give the attack speed even if u dont hold down the button despite the description

[vital jackal]

Hmmmmm... yeah probably also cheaper to upgrade

[tired fulcrum]

Rip circe

[novel maple]

circe is just an odd design

[vital jackal]

Yeah, I just thught it would work well with loading serenity and then just having a few seconds of icredible damage output

Well, I'll give an update in this channel in s few hours

[tired fulcrum]

Does serenity even regen while youre channeling

[vital jackal]

Yes

[novel maple]

that just reminded me that heceta keepsake does not regen your mana if you never have enough mana to use any 🥲

0/200? no mana regen for you

[split igloo]

I just noticed that Unseen is different from Night. I did not read 'hex' but '+2 Magick every second'

[warped harness]

i wish that hera's cast would instead do less damage but inflict hitch onto newly spawning foes

that'd be kinda fun with charon axe maybe, you set it up at the start of an encounter wave, get everyone hitched, and pop a ton of damage with your hitch boons

its just a kinda meh form of damage at the moment whereas it could have some fun tech with the axe and or being a way of proccing origination

[timber fractal]

Whats the most optimal torch build? never even used em tbh

[warped harness]

which aspect?

[timber fractal]

melinoe

i can buy the other 2 tho

[agile dew]

bruh Aspect of Pan + Dancing Knifhe + Sprial Knife is prolly onw of hte most OP thing in this game, i literally killed cerberus in 5 hit

[warped harness]

most often you'll see either a poseidon build, hera build, or hephaestus build with the mel torches

[timber fractal]

but what boons from those? which on special, cast, attack, etc?!

[warped harness]

er, hera + hephaestus sorry

[tired fulcrum]

Uh heart throb https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242593807648686100/Hades_II_2024-05-21_14-39-08.mp4?ex=664e672a&is=664d15aa&hm=054e8a02fa98584f038d1c0c5e1abcc894226fc23552649728e029928394f88f&

[timber fractal]

so aphro + hera?

[tired fulcrum]

• apollo

[timber fractal]

why apollo

[shell dust]

Woah

[warped harness]

thats pan tho

[tired fulcrum]

For the duo that triples your heart throbs

[timber fractal]

IG but thats if you get tit ig

[tired fulcrum]

Thats eos

[warped harness]

(also itd be pretty nuts if you got the apollo legendary)

[timber fractal]

also thats eos isnt it?

[tired fulcrum]

I have the apollo legendary

[warped harness]

it is eos

[timber fractal]

i have mel 0-0

[shell dust]

I suck ass at every weapon, I could never do that lmao

[plain fossil]

I still think demeter is better on mel torches than aph

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242597828677599232/Screenshot_185.png?ex=664e6ae8&is=664d1968&hm=cf7444bb361f9bd937424d8f12cc59b47ba5f65c2797d215245995aaecee0a5d& can also force in dem for weed killer

[timber fractal]

trust, use axe :3

[warped harness]

hera special and gain and maybe attack with just, supportive boons from heph and especially demeter

[plain fossil]

Due to the whole better-at-not-dying thing

[tired fulcrum]

When torch special doesnt stagger

[warped harness]

you want demeter so you can lock into coarse grit because quite frankly you have little to no safety in most encounters

[plain fossil]

I mean i want demeter for freeze coldstorage

[shell dust]

I exclusively use staff, Axe feels too slow for me

[timber fractal]

so am i going for special spam or attack with mel torches?

[warped harness]

heph and hera provite a lot of the earth essences, so it makes it easy to hit

[timber fractal]

just get aphro attack, spin to win :3

[plain fossil]

Mel torches is special build i generally dont ever even click attack for any reason

[timber fractal]

then what do i put on special? cast? etc

[warped harness]

special spam, you want special hammers like the triple helix or whatever it is, anything that buffs your omega special EXCEPT THE STATIONARY HAMMER

cast ideally would be demeter as well

[timber fractal]

fair fair

[warped harness]

that plus her cyclone boon 😳

[timber fractal]

attack is aphro orrr?

[warped harness]

no, the god pool is limited to 3 so you wont be getting all 3 of those

[tired fulcrum]

Your attack isnt used on mel torch

[still girder]

Yoooooo 12th run made it to chronos and got him down to half! So... what weapon aspect should i try to unlock and learn first?

[timber fractal]

wait what so demeter then who else 0-0? hera hephy?

[timber fractal]

sorry i meant special as aphro

[warped harness]

hera for damage, demeter for your cast and maybe attack, hephaestus for the random bonuses to survivability

[timber fractal]

sadly donty have heph's keepsake 😦

[warped harness]

mel torches have high output but theyre so bad at actually keeping you safe against non bosses, and even into bosses you need very good timing and awareness

[timber fractal]

so hera special then the others for utility

[warped harness]

and other hera boons for the extra bonuses to hitch

like the hitch damage on death, extra damage to tethered enemies etc.

[timber fractal]

I feel like hitch is bad on bosses no?

[warped harness]

her damage bonus makes up for it

[plain fossil]

I prefer demeter special, aph and hera are both also ok as is poseidon. Other specials kinda bad imo. Cast i also want demeter more than anything else by quite some margin. Im usually aiming for coarse grit or poseidon infusion as well as cold storage since mel torches has a heap of damage but bad survivability

[warped harness]

if you want boss damage take poseidon or aphro and cope

or alternatively, play the eos torches and be free

[plain fossil]

Demeter cold storage makes u so much safer in rooms its really what u want over everything on mel torches imo

Theres a couple of regular mobs like the big muscle guys in tartarus that it wont totally freeze so just watch for those

[warped harness]

you'll probably be fine with coarse grit? if you have infusion boons unlocked at least

[plain fossil]

Oh and click a sprint boon please it makes ur life much easier on a build that does as much running in circles as mel torches

[eager bay]

Want to do a 32 fear axe run this time any suggestions in terms of aspect and boons?

[plain fossil]

Best hammer is triple helix but most of the special hammers are pretty good, the +50 damage one obviously doesnt work on omega special so dont bother with that and the one that drops ur special on the floor is difficult to use so skip that till ur comfortable with the weapon

[plain fossil]

Charon apollo zeus im pretty sure is the default

[tired fulcrum]

Easiest is prob charon with apollo cast, the apollo/zeus duo, and sudden cleaver hammer

[warped harness]

thats good yeah

[eager bay]

Noted

[warped harness]

apollo boons with the zeus duo, potentially the demeter duo too can be very nice

id reccomend lucid gain or the zeus gain, just anything but demeter's gain

[eager bay]

I hate demeters gain there’s like no time to breath in high heat

[tired fulcrum]

Just use born gain

[warped harness]

yeah you can just sacrifice demeter for born gain

if you luck into it

[zenith bolt]

(ionic gain is very bad if you take vow of arrogance, so dont take it if you're using that vow)

[plain fossil]

Demeter gain is actually ok on charon axe (and only charon axe) its anyway better than lucid gain when ur constantly blowing up ur casts

I think i mentioned earlier today how bad lucid gain is on charon axe

[tired fulcrum]

Doesnt standing in apollo aftereffect work with lucid

[warped harness]

OH @eager bay not to cram axe tech down your throat but do you know how to redirect the omega special?

[plain fossil]

No

[warped harness]

it doesnt sadly

[plain fossil]

Its not ur cast even tho it locks u out of cast

[zenith bolt]

technically speaking, solar ring activates after your cast ends, so lucid gain wouldn't make sense working then

[tired fulcrum]

Huh weird. Apollo works with furies tho

[warped harness]

the fact that you dont gain magick while charging i think kills most gain boons except hera on a majority of omega focused builds

[eager bay]

The best

[plain fossil]

It doesnt kill them it just means that hera is better lul

[zenith bolt]

hera would be better regardless

[warped harness]

youre not casting your omega cast though, youre gonna sit in the ring and cast your omega shield

but yeah hera is just better

[eager bay]

Yes cause it’s screwed me many times when i do it by accident

[plain fossil]

U dont gain mana when ur casting ur omega

[warped harness]

the small window between the shield and the omega charge

[plain fossil]

Hooray 5 mana lulw

[eager bay]

I know axe run is going to be cringe cause the biggest annoyance for me is the number of mobs in some completely tiny rooms

[zenith bolt]

best magick/s boon is chaos

[plain fossil]

For real man dont click lucid gain on charon axe im not just theorycrafting here, i tried it on this build because oh hey its usually good gain and im apollo anyway so why not... never again

[warped harness]

its really handy to get it down pat bc being able to dash between the shield and the slam is important for keeping yourself safe

[zenith bolt]

what's bad is both apollo and zeus gains suck on higher fear for charon

chaos (or another god) saves the day ig

[plain fossil]

I mean zeus gain just sucks 😦

[zenith bolt]

well yeah but it triple sucks when you take vow of arrogance and end up with 0/0 magick

[plain fossil]

Run around with 25 mana all the time

[plain fossil]

Yea sure i dont disagree

[zenith bolt]

ig silver wheel is also a viable pick if chaos short-changes you

[plain fossil]

Well if u click silverwheel on high fear u also need mana arcana right

[zenith bolt]

unseen is kinda bleh for 5 grasp cost

usually mourning fields/tartarus is pretty free keepsake-wise

[wet nova]

Zeus gain needs to be smth like 50% and/or it needs to be able to regen at all times and never stop

[zenith bolt]

and you dont really need magick regen for earlier areas if you arent wasting your magick too much

outside of bosses ig. tho for charon you have aoe advantage for sirens

[warped harness]

i think all the gains would be better if they worked while you were charging an omega move

[zenith bolt]

torch buffs lfg

[warped harness]

born gain is the only one that does

[zenith bolt]

eos sweep if they let you regen magick during channeling fr

[warped harness]

they can make it cost more or smth to compensate idk i just think the gains are so screwed by that

[plain fossil]

Im a huge fan of the -cost hammer on eos i genuinely dont understand the ppl that say eos is hammer independent

[zenith bolt]

the main thing that holds eos back is needing born gain (or fluid/fixed gain if you're allergic to hera ig)

[warped harness]

i like fluid gain

[plain fossil]

I rly like fluid gain btw its better than hearth gain on a lot of setups, big fan

[zenith bolt]

hera has a nice % on her attack anyway so she dominates between the rest of the options i think. dunno the damage difference between poseidon and hera on eos

[warped harness]

poseidon is probably worse for non bosses? idk

[zenith bolt]

both have their own ways of doing mobbing (splash effects and hitch) so its more just a matter of pure damage

pos probably outdamages on bosses but thats bc king tide exists

[warped harness]

if youre able to get the big ghosts hera probably isnt far behind

[forest veldt]

pos is a lot for torches attack compared to %

[tired fulcrum]

Born gain lets you use weed killer and apollo legendary

[zenith bolt]

that too

[tired fulcrum]

Idk if lucid gain can keep up with the magick spam

[zenith bolt]

and hera dem have synergy for coarse grit

[zenith bolt]

doesnt work; torch attack is considered channeling constantly

[tired fulcrum]

Uh not lucid i forgor what pos was called

[zenith bolt]

fluid

[warped harness]

i think it can if youre prioritizing it

[zenith bolt]

fluid gain can keep up most of the time with torches omega attack at base, but you're kinda rng dependent for bubbles. also you gotta chase bubbles

[plain fossil]

It does at blue or better

But u gotta position weird

[tired fulcrum]

Did bubbles give 20 or 30

[zenith bolt]

20

= 4 omega attacks at base

[plain fossil]

20, eos costs 5 and hits twice

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah even with double hitting that wont work with weed killer

[plain fossil]

Blue fluid gain is 12% so thats basically neutral EV for 8 hits

[zenith bolt]

weed killer eos is also like the most magick intensive build in the game behind like. apollo legendary shenanigans

[plain fossil]

If u have hammers or apollo legendary u need much more obvs

[zenith bolt]

15 magick every like half second is a lot

[tired fulcrum]

Thats why you pair it with heartthrobs

[zenith bolt]

dem still goated tho for insta-origination, cc, and coarse grit

[warped harness]

pos hera duo is capitalism = dmg right

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah and its bugged so its flat damage

[plain fossil]

I honestly end up with dem on more of my builds than hera or poseidon

[zenith bolt]

lol??

[warped harness]

capitalism is a failure- /j

[zenith bolt]

flat damage capitalism on momus

[warped harness]

if you can force that many hera and poseidon boons

[plain fossil]

Honestly the big benefit of momus isnt what it does for ur builds its how good it makes act1

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1241181185829376041/image.png?ex=664e898e&is=664d380e&hm=39011e2e9d473924cd005a590e26b88a5cbe40ed3237a74448040d9413dd2b97& staff dashstrike with pos hera duo adding 135 flat damage

[zenith bolt]

spammable 90+ damage from first boon is very silly

[plain fossil]

Like if u have some poseidon double special setup its good anyway its just momus lets u get there without eating act 2 mobs to the face 500 times in act 1

[zenith bolt]

hippos in erebus are the reason why vow of wandering gives fear

[jovial cove]

#h2-victory-boasting message Had an interesting run. Turns out Tranquil Gain is pretty good if you utilize cast properly, and aren't pressed for time.

[plain fossil]

Which one is hippo

[zenith bolt]

the homing shot asshats in oceanus

[plain fossil]

Is that the spitty ones that track u

[zenith bolt]

who explode when they die

[plain fossil]

Those guys are troll af in act 1 all the rooms are tiny

[tired fulcrum]

How fun was regaining against chronos tho

[novel maple]

should just prime 75 mana flat

[jovial cove]

cast stops him dead in his tracks so it was actually pretty comfy.

[zenith bolt]

zeus gain being prime instead of % reduction would be really nice for it

[novel maple]

imagine turning all the mana bottles you find into "here have 5 mana more"

[zenith bolt]

% reduction really screws you over because prime isn't affected by it

[jovial cove]

pay no attention to the fact that I have a whopping 30 mp due to sacking it for chain lightning

[novel maple]

and then you also prime mana for rare boons, and zeus generally likes to prime all your mana

[zenith bolt]

spirit surge 49 fear when...

the fated 15 hour run

[jovial cove]

I have decided that I do not care for Vow of Desperation

[warped harness]

15??

[zenith bolt]

im joking, idk how slow spirit surge is

[warped harness]

can you remind me what spirit surge is?

[zenith bolt]

when you have <10 magick, you shoot lightning constantly at every enemy in the room

[warped harness]

ah

[novel maple]

it's nice if you already primed all your mana away

[zenith bolt]

really nice for pissing off every single shade in mourning fields at once

[warped harness]

are zeus's attack/flourish boons any good btw

[zenith bolt]

zeus special can be used with medea to insta proc blitz, which is funny

skull explosions happen 2nd after the charge damage so they can proc blitz

[novel maple]

i think zeus is alright

[warped harness]

ohh that actually is funny

[novel maple]

get zeus + hestia duo, and procc your blitz with scorch. best scorch usage

also air power for more scorch dmg

[zenith bolt]

blitz itself is kinda meh but not the worst thing ever. kinda wish zeus gave a small % like demeter though

[warped harness]

i had one clear with zeus at 9 heat? pan knives with poseidon and a lot of zeus boons, i didnt end up with kings tide but i just had a lot of power anyways and having zeus legendary clear some adds for me was nice

it really should considering that the attack that will have blitz will low key struggle to proc it quickly

might as well run aphro zeus duo to make it consistent

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if dionysus/ares/athena will be fully fledged gods with duos and such

combined might on its way to be 2.5 pages of duos you need to collect for a measly 3k bones

[jovial cove]

my only grievance with blitz is it falls off so curse comboing with it is sporadic and not constant

[novel maple]

what if they got a seperate prophecy

[plain fossil]

I would like more gods as i mentioned earlier theres too little rng imo

[warped harness]

to claim their bones

[jovial cove]

otherwise it seems like a perfectly cromulant boon

[novel maple]

it's better than scorch at it

[zenith bolt]

that bar is resting on the ground

[warped harness]

i still dont get what you meant by too little rng personally but honestly more gods would be run to mess around with

[plain fossil]

Ye blitz at least has a boon for +5s, scorch ur SOL unless u have heavy investment

[zenith bolt]

scorch is actually so sad unless you have zeus' air quality to support it

[jovial cove]

doesn't blitz go away when it pops regardless of time left?

[warped harness]

itd be interesting if there was a zeus boon that made blitz last for a duration and it would proc multiple times if you hit the damage threshhold

[zenith bolt]

air isn't the worst element to come across ig, given artemis and hermes both have it, but still

scorch needing boons from other gods to be remotely functional is. something

heph is in a similar state but at least he has cooler support boons

[novel maple]

yeah but you get the %boost for that one attack at least

[zenith bolt]

mint condition, my GOAT...

[jovial cove]

anyone try fire extinguisher? that seems to be where the power lies

[warped harness]

god of the home vs god of the hearth

[frosty ruin]

I only really get scorch on cast if I end up with Hestia.

[jovial cove]

i see

[analog osprey]

im mildly curious if momus + 2x moonshot + poseidon special is gonna be nerfed somehow - carried me through 32 fear

[novel maple]

still worse than frost/hitch/weak

[zenith bolt]

hestia has like, a decent gain if you have a weapon that can benefit from that. soot sprint is cool, smolder ring is ok for origination purposes

burnt offering is decent hp gains in a pinch

[analog osprey]

burnt offering is neat too

[warped harness]

probably in some way since right now poseidon and hera dominate most things

[frosty ruin]

I like her fireball skills lol

[novel maple]

if only burnt offering would stop trying to take away my mana/dmg boon

[zenith bolt]

glowing coal is an alright target cast

but like, heph has trusty shield and mint condition and heavy metal like hestia just cant compare

[forest veldt]

i like her cast throw more than zeus, easier to aim on controller

[analog osprey]

grandma please stop trying to ruin my run with your pyromaniac tendencies

[warped harness]

let grandma burn down a house or two, you know as a treat

[analog osprey]

i need that offensive boon to stay right there, go burn some other boon

[zenith bolt]

being able to make more mistakes = being able to play riskier = being able to do more damage

so heph has that going for him

[novel maple]

i am the exact opposite. i prefer zeus, cuz travel speed messes with hestias throw

[zenith bolt]

vent is also nice for origination assuming you have an attack you dont use

[warped harness]

hestia gave up her seat on olympus for dionysus we can let her commit a little arson for fun

[forest veldt]

are you on controller? i find it hard to aim zeus because its free aiming unlike hades or hestia cast throw that i can put onto an enemy

[zenith bolt]

im glad my #h2-feedback on vent did well

hopefully they consider making vent not suck

the fact that you get punished for trying to make heph's attack/special better just sucks

[jovial cove]

yeah each god has a curse so you can curse combo so you can try to make something happen

It's odd to me though that some god attacks/specials have an effect, some gods have +damage, and then hera and demeter just get both

[zenith bolt]

and hera/demeter have like. the strongest curses

hitch is really good for mobbing and freeze is, well, freeze

[frosty ruin]

Hitch seems wildly inconsistent to me

[forest veldt]

daze isnt too bad, 20% chance to not take dmg is nice

[zenith bolt]

hera even gets the 2nd best % damage boost (behind aphrodite) like wtf is up with that

[analog osprey]

hitch absolutely tears through high mob densities

[frosty ruin]

Sometimes it just doesn’t latch on. Mostly seems to be a problem with the sprint tho

[analog osprey]

it gets even better with increased enemy count

[jovial cove]

I get better mileage out of hitch than poseidon splash, I'm not sure why

[frosty ruin]

Queen of the Gods baby

[analog osprey]

hitch on torch attack spreads it like no tomorrow

[forest veldt]

hera and dem r pretty close for spec and attack. apollo better spec than both tho

[jovial cove]

I think what really sends Hera over the edge is Proper Upbringing. You can get bad rarities all night and then say "wait Hera's the goat" and for 3 earth they all get bumped up

[zenith bolt]

apollo is the same as hera on special

aphrodite: +80% attack, +100% special (close range only)
hera: +50% attack, +60% special (+hitch)
apollo: +40% attack, +60% special (+more range/aoe)
demeter: +30% attack, +40% special (+freeze)
poseidon: +15 attack, +20 special (knocks foes away, is flat damage)
zeus/hestia/hephaestus: no damage boost (special gimmicks)

[analog osprey]

dont forget the boon that gives more dmg for not having common boons

[jovial cove]

yeah it insists upon itself too

[zenith bolt]

not to mention her being predominantly earth gives her synergy with the best infusion in the game

[jovial cove]

and you can get both because infusions aren't mutally exclusive like other boons

[frosty ruin]

Imagine ever seeing that infusion, couldn’t be me

[willow phoenix]

How does different blitz stack work with each other? If let's say I have both zeus attack and special with different blitz damage.

[analog osprey]

proper upbringing + coarse grit is the dream

[forest veldt]

on common yea, but he scales better w/ levels and poms. but not by much

[jovial cove]

I rarely manage to get coarse grit online but that's fine because I've got proper upbringing for cheap

[zenith bolt]

the only time i wouldnt take proper upbringing + uncommon grace is vow of arrogance bc like lol. enjoy priming all your magick

[toxic cypress]

wait hera's the goat is so truee

[warped harness]

hera is the goat

[zenith bolt]

hera is top 2 only bc poseidon is just silly rn

[bleak night]

Hera clutch factor

[toxic cypress]

I don't think they prime if it was originally common, somebody correct me tho

[analog osprey]

hera/aph/poseidon definitely good

[jovial cove]

so that only matters when you get the boons, proper upbrining gives you the rarities and bypasses the prime cost

[analog osprey]

any of them, depending on weapon

[zenith bolt]

fr? hera is truly the most silly god

[warped harness]

hera + demeter + heph is also a really nice combination

[jovial cove]

no cap.
as if that boon wasn't silly enough

[bleak night]

yep, it's neat.

[analog osprey]

upgrading the rarity of a boon you already have does not trigger the priming

[zenith bolt]

does that also hold for aromatic phial?

[bleak night]

[toxic cypress]

ya I was checking out for it because I use aromatic phial almost every run 😭

[jovial cove]

I believe so

[zenith bolt]

insane.

[analog osprey]

same with demeter's rarity buff

[novel maple]

yes, but it targets mobs very consistantly for me

[forest veldt]

ah maybe there is a setting i missed

[zenith bolt]

lightning lance will lock onto targets if you're aiming close enough with it

[toxic cypress]

I dunno why but when I use zeus as kbm it just aim bots

[zenith bolt]

sometimes even if you're otherwise out of range it'll still lock on

[analog osprey]

options - gameplay - aim assist

[zenith bolt]

because. lol

[toxic cypress]

that makes sense

[forest veldt]

tyty. will give it a shot

[novel maple]

there is aim assist?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[bleak night]

for controllers, yeah

[warped harness]

there is insane aim assist

[frosty ruin]

The lock on is so weird. It seems dead set on targeting one specific enemy in a group and attempting to change targets is basically impossible

[zenith bolt]

aim assist works on kbm too

[bleak night]

oh til, I have that set to off on mouse

[zenith bolt]

i use it for pan when im spamming uncharged special in erebus

[novel maple]

is aim assist on by default?

[warped harness]

if you aim within like 160 degrees centered on your target even if your stick is a mile away it will lock

[analog osprey]

iirc yes

[zenith bolt]

yes, i think?

[novel maple]

ah makes sense

[ionic lily]

I should turn aim assist off, I always forget and it ends up messing with aiming more than it helps

[warped harness]

uncharged hook knife special my beloved

[frosty ruin]

You def have to turn it off yourself

[toxic cypress]

I miss a cast by a mile and the game is like no you don't lol

[analog osprey]

the aim assist is kinda nuts, true

[ionic lily]

especially if you have lightning lance and it decides to lock on to some mob that is far away from the big crowd coming for you

[zenith bolt]

lightning lance is actually just zeus doing the aiming for you

[analog osprey]

if zeus does the aiming i feel he'd rather just slam 5 digits of damage onto the target instead, tbh

[frosty ruin]

I believe it lmao. No wonder it missing half the time

[zenith bolt]

gods are lazy

[queen charm]

that's pretty much what he does with his legendary

just 9999 on unsuspecting victims

[analog osprey]

the rat summoning miniboss has about 8.5k hp

[zenith bolt]

verminancer

[plain fossil]

Both of the a4 minibosses do

[analog osprey]

zeus would slam 6 digit numbers into the target and all over the room instead, whether its in erebus or tartarus

[toxic cypress]

really??? the rat guy dies so much quicker for me 🤔

[bleak night]

I hope they change that Zeus legendary

[zenith bolt]

idk i usually just kill the minibosses in tartarus before they're ever a threat

shocking loss would be a lot cooler if it didnt exist and was something entirely different, actually related to zeus' boons (this also goes for aphro)

[forest veldt]

air quality? think its not bad

[zenith bolt]

air quality is the infusion

[analog osprey]

thats the infusion, not the legendary

[bleak night]

the 7% chance to instantly kill any mob that comes in

[forest veldt]

ah shocking loss, ya

[analog osprey]

the legendary has a chance to instant kill enemies spawning in

[forest veldt]

would be cool if legendary was a better double strike chance

[zenith bolt]

i think aphro legendary is silly when she already has a curse with several boons designed to improve it like. just use weak??? just make weak stronger with the legendary?????

[novel maple]

just make it work on bosses 👍

[zenith bolt]

shocking loss is the same, just make it make blitz better

[frosty ruin]

The sack is sorta annoying just because I don’t like those enemies in general lol. But it’s funny to just constantly use Demeter cast with whirlwind on it. Slowest laser ever

[forest veldt]

that would be funny, walk into chronos and he just dies

[analog osprey]

i was thinking
blitz effects now trigger a lightning strike + lightning strikes apply blitz (these do not infinitely chain into each other) but might be too strong

[novel maple]

that sack miniboss just aimbots me with the laser

[analog osprey]

zeus finally smiting chronos and winning the war

[zenith bolt]

here's an idea for zeus legendary:

Your Blitz effects deal damage without causing Blitz to expire.
and then maybe a +% to blitz damage

[analog osprey]

maybe add a dmg bonus to lightning bolts too? that already sounds reasonable tho

[frosty ruin]

I’ve literally only ever fought the sack when I had whirlwind on either cast or sprint and I swear it bugs the boss out lol.

[plain fossil]

I mean the vermin guy cant hit u ever unless u dont know what it does whereas the goldbag can still get ur ass with coins every so often since u wanna stand near it

[analog osprey]

for the sack laser just dash behind it after it starts - and maybe once more for good measure

[zenith bolt]

wait i have slightly relevant Axe Tech i haven't seen mentioned here before

[frosty ruin]

Nah the whirlwind makes the coins basically just stop moving lmao

[bleak night]

👀

[zenith bolt]

blocking the purple laser sentries in tartarus causes the laser to completely disappear forever

[analog osprey]

its nice seeing the annoying as sin laser rocks from hades 1 be imprisoned in idiot jail

[plain fossil]

Wat

That has to be a f10 lmao

[zenith bolt]

helpful for goldwrath (theres four laser sentries there) and a few other rooms

[frosty ruin]

Wait what. That doesn’t sound much like a tech compared to a mega bug lol

[carmine lagoon]

how does one not get instakilled by the 999 attack in chronos phase 2?

[zenith bolt]

stand in the circle/ring

[frosty ruin]

Glowy bit

[analog osprey]

go to the area of the arena that isnt darkened

either a clock number or a ring near chronos

[queen charm]

I remember blocking those lasers because for some reason the axe has a better Ferocious Guard, but I didnt pay attention to the laser disappearing lol

[carmine lagoon]

i thought it was the other way around

[zenith bolt]

from my notes

• Instant Kill (Circle): Chronos targets one of the numbered circles around the arena. Failing to be in the circle at the end of the attack forces Melinoë to take 999 damage.
• Instant Kill (Ring): Chronos moves to the center of the arena and the ground is marked with a safe zone in a ring around him. Being too close or too far from Chronos when the attack ends forces Melinoë to take 999 damage.

[frosty ruin]

Nah that would be the easiest possible instant kill to avoid lol

[zenith bolt]

beyond the very obvious visual effects of course theres the bm bm bm bm bm sound before it hits

sometimes i get extremely stupid dodges on instakills that make 0 sense, lemme find a clip rq

[plain fossil]

U can pretty much always get a hit off on chronos even on 40% for either oneshot

[analog osprey]

iframes are iframes, apparently

[plain fossil]

Damage efficiency!

[novel maple]

i swear it sometimes just turns as fast as i dash through it

[zenith bolt]

skip to 2:15 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238278614336667719/1242401411732344883/32_fear_chronos_axe.mp4?ex=664f057b&is=664db3fb&hm=62521f762bcbfce4eb1506617d1bfca48c7aba0168bdc8ade45889ab9ae832ec&

[analog osprey]

i usually do it again to be safe

[analog osprey]

i feel that you have great enough timing there

[plain fossil]

I didnt know u could iframe those the only attack i always iframe is eris big bomb but everyone does that

[zenith bolt]

i didnt think you could iframe instakills with just dash

[analog osprey]

i just sprint to the edge of eris's dmg buff bombs

[zenith bolt]

maybe it was like i iframed part of it and then i was in the safe zone when my iframes ran out

[plain fossil]

If u iframe it then ur right next to eris for better dps 👍

I learned when someone posted a clip here last week im like THATS SO MUCH BETTER

[analog osprey]

i would kill myself because i like -enemy projectile speed for surface
and it does affect bomb timings

[plain fossil]

So do i but its easy enough to do on reaction, dash has quite a lot of iframes by action game standards

[analog osprey]

also i do not feel brave enough for that

still trying to get the hang of surface on 40% speed

[frosty ruin]

Honestly I just take soot sprint for surface runs. There’s so many annoying ranged enemies before you even get to Eris, and of course it helps with her

[plain fossil]

Soot sprint op for surface

Hestia isnt my favourite usually but obviously gets a lot of value there its a shame soot sprint cant eat barrel thrower barrels

[analog osprey]

or harpy blade rifts

[pliant trench]

Does anyone know how to use the duo boon room temperature between hephaestus and Demeter

[frosty ruin]

I feel like whatever the 3rd or final boss, since it honestly feels like the surface might be shorter, is also gonna have tons of projectiles

Oh I hate the harpies and barrel dudes

[plain fossil]

I can live with barrels guys, harpies kinda troll tho

[frosty ruin]

Barrel dudes suck because fire in this game is unbelievable bad to deal with

[frosty ruin]

What’s that one do?

[pliant trench]

Helps blast damage removes freeze

Hephaestsus

[analog osprey]

heph sprint/attack/special removes cooldown on freeze

[frosty ruin]

Oh interesting. Only really good on Heph attack then huh

[pliant trench]

I don’t know how refreezing helps you at all

[analog osprey]

if the target's freeze just ended hit them with heph blast of choice so you can stun them immediately afterward

rinse and repeat to bully and murder everything

[frosty ruin]

Heph attack plus Dem cast sounds funny for constant freezer

[plain fossil]

Im a huge coldstorage fan and nobody talks about it here

Five second stun through armour too strong

[pliant trench]

I feel like it only works with the sprint heph, not the hit every 10 seconds attack or special

[frosty ruin]

Eh you want to Pom Heph attack pretty aggressively so it’ll have a shorter cooldown anyway.

Chain Reaction is really fun even if you only have Heph on special with a terrible cooldown lol. Basically have a small mini game to do during a boss fight

[forest veldt]

surface a bit longer in terms of time from what i've tested. not as much practice but its ~1min rn, prob can get down to 30 sec tho

[bleak night]

can you test how many locations/rooms the surface has, actually ? I forget to check, even if I mean to

[forest veldt]

ya sure, can do some counts. encounters or locations?

[bleak night]

I usually get maybe 30s

[frosty ruin]

I meant in terms of overall zones

[bleak night]

mostly locations, because if it's like 32-37 then I can see them just not adding a 4th zone and making the 3rd Olympus itself with a lot of locations

[forest veldt]

ah ya tru, lots of repeat encoounters in zones

[forest veldt]

oh maybe, would be a bit of bummer since 1 less boss

[quaint dawn]

I'm a fan. I liked the combo of Demeter attack and Aphrodite cast with skulls

[knotty fulcrum]

I want to try scorch what's the strategy? what weapon in particular Ig you want the legendary or fire extinguisher from hestia

[analog osprey]

scorch? either stack it on rare or better cast or sister blades

[frosty ruin]

Like I kinda just expect a single zone more for “Surface” with a boss

[analog osprey]

im hoping for at least 2 additional surface bosses

[bleak night]

I kinda wish we could fight Zeus and Poseidon in friendly bouts

[frosty ruin]

Is Carybdis even optional or does she happen every time?

[bleak night]

random

feels like an Asterius fight in Elysium, except it has no bearing on the final boss this time around

[novel maple]

surface generally needs an adjustment i feel. tight deadline seems VERY tight for it compared to underworld

i guess it's called vow of desperation? idk

[bleak night]

would be interesting if they made a separate set of vows for you to activate for the surface

[forest veldt]

27 in most recent run, think similar to 2nd floor underworld

[bleak night]

ah, hm

I feel like they could extend it by making the extra rooms in Ephyra more frequent

[forest veldt]

was wo/ any extra rooms

[bleak night]

I can see them adding a 4th area then

[forest veldt]

ya, oceanus is 25? to end so not too far off

[bleak night]

that or they just make Olympus just really massive

[forest veldt]

could see a "stairway" type zone and then olympus. dont' know if the boat one leads right to olympus

[bleak night]

would make sense if it didn't yet, have a city on the foot of the mountain and begin a climb