h2-builds-and-combat

[civic ocean]

That's so smart

The engagement ring tech is so smart

[bleak night]

It's pretty good to have for speedrunning, yeah

[tender anvil]

Once you get Mint Condition + HH Duo + Shells Hammer + White Antler, the run is pretty much done, hard to screw up

[bleak night]

Makes me think about boonless attack/special weapons

if a pool of purging existed, I'd be more inclined to use it

[tall notch]

This is good to know, thanks!

I want to get 40 fear with all weapons and I had no strat for skulls i thought I could reasonably take to that level, I'll try this

[bleak night]

Torches are my last one

[tender anvil]

I’m in the same boat, was watching your videos for Eris, kudos for that!

[glossy rivet]

wut weapon
heph keepsake start?

[bleak night]

I can't get it done with em

[tall notch]

Well you know what I'm about to suggest

[bleak night]

I can give it a shot, sure

what's the fear setup and keepsake progression for Eos ?

[tender anvil]

I did Hera start, but heph could work as well. Need to hit the other one in Erebus anyway, so take max rerolls

[glossy rivet]

mel skull?

[tender anvil]

Yeah. Can work for other weapons, I imagine

Problem with Heph start, is first boon usually offers core boons, and you don’t want them from Heph. From Hera you can take Born Gain, which is a requirement for the Duo

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/5M91FJmPktw?si=bOcezd52AZENMJZy&t=1764 fear setup is here (you can get rid of revenants and take either more mobs or more enemy health if you want), keepsake I just went antler for the entire run and tried again if I couldn't get Demeter and Heph (third god is flexible so dw about that one too much)

[bleak night]

alrighty, thanks

[tender anvil]

The build hard caps at 45 fear though - you can’t rely on duos if you take onions, and blue shields are hard to deal with for the skull.

[tall notch]

You could start either with Demeter for the cast or Hera for born gain if you want, but from all my attempts I found that Erebus dps check is tough for Eos without antler

[bleak night]

I'm not running 5 mins, so I can probs afford to play it safer for now, I'm not used to the weapon is all

[tall notch]

Yeah probably try this in lower fear (just the things that make you take more damage) so that you get used to the playstyle as antler requires quite a bit of safety

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242507579830173726/image.png?ex=664e16db&is=664cc55b&hm=11d119924653551042b1b08cbe7c67238cc46e2bd0afdda837bc6e48b0b4d6f2 I'll run this

[tall notch]

Is that born gain start?

[bleak night]

I'll be doing test runs first, but I have Hera keepsake on start, yeah

[sour cape]

No increased dmg first hit?

[tall notch]

For hera keepsake start this prob works, but if you ever consider taking that thing off get 0 mana out of there

[bleak night]

I should probably remove Revenants, I have no clue how to deal with them since I never run them on my weapon

[sour cape]

Ic dmg free with trusty shield 😎

[tall notch]

The way I deal with revenants on Eos is dashing in their direction while doing my attack channel thing

1 revenant is significantly easier than 2, I'll say that much

On 1 revenant I can safely grab most of them by dashing around, when there's the second it gets trickier with other fear

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean im preaching the gospel of aq scorch to haelian. He thought it didn't work

[civic ocean]

Disbeliever

[tall notch]

Gonna get it fixed nerfed if his video trends, calling it now

[civic ocean]

It's all good

It's a really fun interaction

And I'm just like stoked that my approach to this game is coming up with stuff that people weren't thinking abt - that's the sign of a really good game im9

[timber pawn]

I maintain it's clunky enough to set up they might leave it

Like oh no you need 5ish boons and an infusion to do a lot of damage, you can do more with less depending on wep, right

[tall notch]

It's interesting and it's not overpowered for the amount of setup it requires, but I do genuinely think the way it interacts is a bug

[timber pawn]

Fair

[tall notch]

So for that reason alone it might be patched out

[civic ocean]

Is he trying it

[timber pawn]

Oh you're in there too haha

[bleak night]

dear god I'm so out of my depth when playing this weapon

[timber pawn]

It's on the list now, we did it

[civic ocean]

I just went in to explaij ye im at work atm

Saw Poseidon Pan and I cannot support that level of meta play

[timber pawn]

I mean speedruns

[civic ocean]

Oh is he speedrunning

fine I GUESS

[bleak night]

apparently Momus heals you even through maxed out Vow of Scars ?

[civic ocean]

yes it is known

[bleak night]

that's

[civic ocean]

Apparently that is carried over behaviour from Guan Yu in H1

[bleak night]

kinda stupid, no ? Considering a keepsake doesn't even bypass it, and you can still select it

[spare kite]

A lot of stuff did in H1 too

[bleak night]

I hope they fix

[spare kite]

Cursed slash/GY spin/draining cutter

[vale mesa]

hey guys could you explain about air quality and scorch ineraction? i mean scorch is capped at 40 or i don't understand something

[shadow marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/fUjKP9s.png
Do I have enough hp?

[bleak night]

Ghost Onion at least needs to work in Vow of Scars

[bleak night]

Are you trying to revenge build

[timber pawn]

It makes each tick hit for 30, or something close to that

[shadow marsh]

No just the aphro/demeter duo

[civic ocean]

Yep! It has to do with how Scorch deals its damage.

Scorch is capped at dealing 40 damage per second, but it does that by ticking for smaller amounts of damage. However, Air Quality sets a rule in the game's damage calculation that says "if this damage number is less than 30, set it to 30"

As a result, Scorch "says" it only does 40, but it actually does somewhere around 200 or so

[tall notch]

You got ittttt

[bleak night]

@tall notch I think your run history thing is broken because you have 350 runs already or smth

[civic ocean]

I think I'm close to 300

[vale mesa]

oh now i get it. thanks for explanation

[tall notch]

Do you think they might have a cap on it? Or maybe I'm hitting integer overflow or whatever?

[bleak night]

integer overflow probs

How many nights do you have played ?

[civic ocean]

Wait is that 350 completed runs

[tall notch]

Let me check

[spare kite]

Wait what's the issue with the run history

[tall notch]

Nah at least half ended in Erebus

[bleak night]

crashing for Eos, makes me think it's because of the sheer amount of runs had

[tall notch]

My game crashes whenever I try to check run history

572 nights

[bleak night]

tf

[civic ocean]

god dayum

[spare kite]

Huh
At least is not the H1 thing ig

[timber pawn]

Wew

[tall notch]

Can someone send me their save file to check if I'm gonna be crashing too?

[sly scarab]

what do we think the top selene boons are?

[tall notch]

Literally any save file that has the run history thing unlocked

[spare kite]

(at 1k+ runs you start getting small hitches every door)

[bleak night]

ye I can send you mine

[spare kite]

She has more stuff than moon water?

[sly scarab]

yeah moon water is def up there

[spare kite]

For the upstairs route phase shift doesn't seem that bad at least

[warped harness]

moon water, phase shift for everything except chronos

[sly scarab]

lol chronos just don't care yeah

[civic ocean]

God damn I thought I was closer to Cold but I'm less than half as many nights

[spare kite]

Wolf howl's crit is fun but is not guaranteed to appear on the tree

[warped harness]

i think i remember someone calling the 1000 damage aoe one good but that might just be regarding passives

[civic ocean]

I feel most of the damage ones are pretty bad because we don't have a way to spend mana without dealing dmg

[warped harness]

yeah

[civic ocean]

If primed mana went towards Hexes maybe

[spare kite]

Every dmg hex feels like a greater call from H1 and they were kinda meta speaking

[sly scarab]

I know its generally probably not good, but goth mode just makes me happy :)

[warped harness]

like priming your mana will lower the cost of a hex?

[bleak night]

goth mode ?

[spare kite]

Darkside

[sly scarab]

ye :)

[civic ocean]

isnt she already goth

[bleak night]

Isn't that like really buggy

idk I've not used it much

[civic ocean]

It's also like kinda badge

[spare kite]

Idk how you make it work

[warped harness]

darkside is interesting bc its not very much damage even with the path bonus that gives your main attack your attack boon but you become invulnerable for a while

[spare kite]

Lower cost enough so you are invincible 90% of the time?

[civic ocean]

Maybe you could use it to finish off chronos in a difficult fight or smth

[warped harness]

but the damage is so bad you'll be struggling at every other point

[civic ocean]

But it does soooooo little dmg

[spare kite]

Tbh if hexes got lesser call variations it'd be a lot nicer

[timber pawn]

My hot take is that even if you tripled the damage on it it would still be 'okay'.

But aesthetically I totally get it

[civic ocean]

New meta, stack AQ Scorch on chronos then turn dark side so u cant get hit

[lusty heron]

If you are a cast focussed build its fine

Since it doesnt change your cast

[sly scarab]

I'll have to playtest with it, but I just like it because we get to see mel in shmexy black (least horny hades player I know)

[warped harness]

just get the midnight dress from arachne

[sly scarab]

but that can break :(

[sage kraken]

do we have any boon list right now? I don't see one on the wiki

[civic ocean]

isn't the black dress onyx

[warped harness]

it probably is yeah i dont remember the names too well

[civic ocean]

in game there is one on every character that can offer you something

[warped harness]

midnight is probably the purple dress

[civic ocean]

moonlight is white

[sage kraken]

on the book? Do I need to unlock some incantation for it to show?

[quiet axle]

Died to Chronos on 32heat with 1% to go in the 2nd phase. First time I threw my controller (& headset) in a game in years.

[civic ocean]

Yes, it happened pretty naturally for me while playing

[spare kite]

Yeah, unlock all god keepsakes

[timber pawn]

Nooo, I know the feeling. You'll get em

[civic ocean]

There are going to be two dents in my desk where the bottoms of my xbox controller slam into it i'm sure of it

[warped harness]

this game can get stupidly infuriating with fear active yeah

[ionic lily]

Once you get all the gods' keepsake you'll unlock the incantation

[bleak night]

Coin Flip about to post some interesting tech

[civic ocean]

It's mostly getting mad at myself, like I see THE HUNT IS ON and go oh good just dont take any damage

And then immediately dash into two Casket barrages and take like 30

[random rover]

So what if I told y'all that Hex + Axe special have some really good applications that need to be fixed, but we can enjoy in the meantime?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/309508873897639938/1242514596053651516/Hades_II_2024.05.21-11.13_clip_1.mp4?ex=664e1d64&is=664ccbe4&hm=ec23076df4b7bb593b00ad8329fdeda2cea642c6189da9275ca803444f7a7abd&

[warped harness]

i wish we had something like extreme measures and not just a quarter of the fears being "disable this entire aspect of your kit"

[timber pawn]

Timer runs out > hecate divides > lose 3 DDs > break desk

[random rover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/309508873897639938/1242514666517827674/Hades_II_2024.05.21-11.13_clip_2.mp4?ex=664e1d75&is=664ccbf5&hm=3063505bd47a054a3f5741e87fcd51a81448933c434905f3e4bc1f072c0828d8&

[bleak night]

Special-Cancelled Hex spam for the timestop

[random rover]

Axe Special cancels Hex startup. SOme hexes freeze time. We now have 100% uptime special drill

[sage kraken]

weird I think I've already gifted all of them

[bleak night]

meme build technology

[random rover]

Slap on poseidon, block everything that can be blocked, go have fun.

[warped harness]

drill 😳

[civic ocean]

she's still attacking in the clip tho so it's not total time freeze right

[random rover]

The cancel is very fast. If I get hit, it's because of angles I think.

[timber pawn]

What the heck lol

[bleak night]

probs drop the one with Cast on Cerberus so they can see the applications

[civic ocean]

Yeah so your special stays up forever

[spare kite]

Sgg saw people disliking ap2/RI and took it as a challenge

[bleak night]

https://x.com/second_saint/status/1792249833740276115 it was this one I think

Coin Flip (@second_saint) on X

Axe Special Hex Cancels in action. Looks like ground based effects still tick damage during the stop, like Apollo omega cast and Demeter Cyclone.

Optimizing it would probably be Apollo + Zeus for the better positioning, shoot for his infusion that all damage at least 30

Twitter · May 19, 2024, 5:43 PM

[random rover]

Yeah, that one. You can lock opponents in place to eat the entirety of a cast since the damage is incidental

[warped harness]

speaking of getting hit will hitboxes be adjusted throughout the EA period?

[random rover]

Works with Psychic Whirlwind hammer also.

[civic ocean]

This should work with anything that ticks or works over time right, like a mana regen boon or scorch

[warped harness]

itd be funny if you could stack up psychic whirlwinds with enough omega channel speed boosts

[bleak night]

I kinda wanna do that now

Psychic Whirlwind + Hex cancel

[random rover]

I don't think scorch actually works because direct damage stuff like Zeus omega boon doesn't

[civic ocean]

Right you could just use it to stack more

[random rover]

Psychic Whirlwind + That one Icarus Hammer + Hex Cancel

[bleak night]

Meme build technology

[random rover]

It was a meme until the drill stuff, I think. That's actually practical defensive tech for 99% of the game and there could be many more applications for the cancels with unique interactions that have yet to be discovered.

[civic ocean]

Would it work with cooldowns?

[random rover]

Like what cooldowns?

[civic ocean]

Like could you keep the drill up 100% of the time and have Volcanic Flourish tick down and go off

[bleak night]

good question

[random rover]

Yeah, because you're only using the time stop with drill for a fraction of a second to stop the omega special then cancel back into drill.

[civic ocean]

Would it reduce the "effective time" between volcanic flourishes if you let the time stop go longer

[random rover]

I don't think so. When I tried it before, it stopped the scorch timer entirely.

[civic ocean]

so your ability cooldowns also get slowed?

[random rover]

Depends on what they are. I categorize them in my head as like direct damage and environmental damage. Direct damage stops, because it is on that enemy and happening to them. If it's an effect on the ground, that keeps going.

So Demeter cyclone, Apollo Omega Cast, Psychic whirlwind, those keep going.

But most other stuff stops

[civic ocean]

In terms of maxing out the damage on the special itself its probably the Zeus + Poseidon duo

[random rover]

That's my initial thoughts on it as well. There's a hammer that effects your special and makes it destroy 35% of armor also, so you'd be able to delete elites.

[civic ocean]

I fear you have delved too far into Axe tech and now the weapon will actually get fixed lmao

[bleak night]

I forgot that was a thing

[random rover]

Oh, one thing I never tried is that Zeus boon that just lightnings things if you have less than 10 mana

[bleak night]

It's really good, I had that one and it deleted the armour of a boss Goldwrath in three pokes

kinda made me realize how good it is for mob cleaning

[weary dune]

Psychic whirlwind plus furious whirlwind letting me be pure beyblade is very silly and I love it

Brb fully charging spin while doing a spin

[bleak night]

Good hammer combo, kinda sad I barely get both in a run

[civic ocean]

It's fascinating to see all of the feedback about being able to reroll hammers

[weary dune]

Same
But when it comes together I get the same dopamine pop as cluster rockets in h1

[random rover]

Kinda why I wasn't talking much about it until I found the 100% uptime drill. I was worried about big nerfs over an incredibly niche thing that requires so many boons to work, but then something real happened.

[timber pawn]

Good news you can still hunt for cluster rockets in this game

Rocket bombardment and then the 'shoots all shots' hammer

[weary dune]

Yeah but axe feel good, and skull only feel situationally good

[civic ocean]

I am struggling to think of what felt as good as the double duo dunk on Charon

I thought of Hestia crits which made me realize

Does anyone else find it funny that the Hestia rail could not be more unlike Hestia's booons

[timber pawn]

Charon is absolutely up there in terms of 'feels good'

[timber pawn]

I just love imagining old cozy grandma with 'Gun'

[weary dune]

3.6k Artemis dagger crits are pretty high up there for me

[random rover]

She got tired of large direct damage. All about dots now

[civic ocean]

But like Hestia's stuff is all about dealing damage over time and that gun was a sniper rifle

[random rover]

I'm from the south, who's imagining?

[weary dune]

Hestia got impatient and wanted all her scorch up front

[bleak night]

I wanna play 1 again hnng

[civic ocean]

The gun has a lot of air quality

[bleak night]

I should do an Eris rocket bomb run to turn my brain off

[novel maple]

how does the artificer card work?

[timber pawn]

Also true, have you seen the 48 fear run? It's... Seeded I think, but still a great watch

[spare kite]

Me each time I try medea and go "I wish this was hera/beo"

[civic ocean]

When you clear a room with a minor find in it, you can press a button to transform the minor find into a major find

It will not obey your keepsake boon wise, but it will obey the god pool

[novel maple]

ah nice thx

[random rover]

That lead to a fun interaction once where Poseidon didn't give me any good boons, so I took the one that gives you a gold, psyche, and ash. Used the artificer roll on one of them and got Poseidon with an epic wave flourish.

[lusty heron]

Medea skull with + 2 skulls and all shooting at the same time is soo good

[civic ocean]

I think if it obeyed your keepsake it would probably be interesting to run with the onion fear

[timber pawn]

The 45/48 Artemis run take adv if this in a seeded way. It starts hammer and then ash, and they artificer it into a boon which gets onioned, so the hera room 3 actually works

[civic ocean]

So like, is that a thing, taking adv of the seed

[weary dune]

Weirdly I like Medea more than beo

[timber pawn]

I mean the concept works unseeded, there's just more rng involved

[civic ocean]

I suppose you can play any way you wish

[weary dune]

This is giving me big think

[timber pawn]

Some of the bilibili runs on the vercel app aren't labeled as seeded but definitely are, which is fine for now. But labeling would be nice.

*maybe it's labeled on the video, I do not speak mandarin or canto so I have no clue

[civic ocean]

I think artificer is quite good if the build you intend can use pretty much any major find.

Torches are a good example of this since they like HP, Mana, Hammers, Boons, and Gold

[tall notch]

For things like speedruns, seeded and unseeded tend to be separate categories

And to prove a run is unseeded you show the death before

[civic ocean]

Yeah im wondering for fear clears is all

[timber pawn]

I am a bit less bothered about it for high fear, but it's still not great

[bleak night]

The unseeded Axe run is doing manaless Mel axe, I should do more of those so I can get my practice in

[timber pawn]

I feel like a lot of high fear is reseting for a good start, which is a bit of a bummer timewise

[civic ocean]

But I don't think I'm in the highest fear possible crowd, more in the rotating weapon at 32 crowd

[timber pawn]

This definitely strikes me as more pleasant than 45+

[bleak night]

You'll be more inclined to doing higher Fears when they rework some of these Vows, because that manaless one makes it really unfun, tedious and sometimes impossible for a lot of weapons

[tall notch]

I don't like artificer even on a weapon that utilises all major finds because it can force an unwanted god into the god pool

Or brick your antler

[bleak night]

Like, there'll probs be free 6 Fear off of Emergency Measures

[timber pawn]

I wonder if 32 will be 'easier' with EM

[civic ocean]

I think what is more interesting to me is finding a fear where I can win a Selene/whiffed hammer start and try to do winstreaks rotating weps

I think when the other vows get added that will push up to higher than 32

[timber pawn]

Theoretically right?

[tall notch]

Unless EM bosses are ridiculously hard, it will be

EM2 in Hades 1 was faster than running without EM

[civic ocean]

In Hades 1 Middle Management was also "free"

[tired fulcrum]

We had meg summon tho

So minibosses were easy to skip basicslly

[tall notch]

The one that makes you sell a boon was also like way easier to deal with than onion

Underworld customs I think the name was?

[timber pawn]

Onion is pretty brutal, like 'yes I'd like to opt into selene start every run'

[spare kite]

Yeah underworld custom was chill

[bleak night]

btw the seed changes whenever you change Arcana

[tall notch]

Onion slows me down enough to make 7 min timer feel as tight as 5 min timer without it

[spare kite]

A bit less once you cut dark foresight + rerolls but here you at least still have rerolls

[civic ocean]

I don't think I used Customs but I was climbing Heat 1 heat at a time using each weapon and fighting EM4 FO2 Max HP Hades

[timber pawn]

Ya I can imagine.

[civic ocean]

I think I stopped at like 27 Heat doing that when a new game came out I wanted to play

[tall notch]

Even the fact that you were removing the boon after the region helped make things easier. You still had that room 1 power spike in Tartarus

[spare kite]

Em4 was certainly one of the pacts

[civic ocean]

I looooove the EM4 fight

[tall notch]

I did it once on Chiron bow and thought to myself "never again, normal Hades is challenging enough"

[civic ocean]

I love how hard it is

[spare kite]

Same I just don't do it if I want to win most of the time lmao

[civic ocean]

I got really, really good at it

[spare kite]

Crying each time he summons the sneak or B.balls

[tired fulcrum]

Hl5 fo2 hs em4 is

[spare kite]

Oh yeah we prob won't have HS lmao

[civic ocean]

Whats hs and hi5 again

[tired fulcrum]

I was complaining about chronos early on but fo2 chronos is way easier than fo2 em4

[spare kite]

+400% trap dmg/+100% enemy dmg

[tall notch]

Chronos felt hard to me early because I had to unlearn a lot of the things that helped me get through early game

[tired fulcrum]

Hs is 150 damage pots and hl5 is 80 damage dad swings and 100 damage spear throw

[tall notch]

With time not stopping during that fight

[civic ocean]

Oh yeah I was working on enemy dmg but I couldn't do trap dmg the pots would be too much

[spare kite]

HS truly one of the pacts too

[tired fulcrum]

Also fo2 cerby call is like basically unreactable

[spare kite]

I wonder how they'll do hell mode here

Hopefully better

[civic ocean]

Chronos is a super interesting boss story wise too because Melinoe trained her whole life to be able to beat Chronos and half the stuff she learned how to do doesn't even work on Chronos like Hecate what were you teaching this woman

[timber pawn]

I never did em4 hades honestly lol

I was kinda burnt on the game by the time full release rolled around

[tall notch]

Hecate was doing a little trolling

[civic ocean]

"Now I will teach you to slow time"

"Headmistress are you sure slowing timr is the best approach to defeating the Titan of Time"

[spare kite]

I think the training helped her not get time cube'd on sight

[civic ocean]

Didn't she not get time cubed because Hecate ran away with her as a bebe

[timber pawn]

It's briefly discussed that her reset mechanic came partly from training? I think?

[spare kite]

Also that yeah

[civic ocean]

Yes, return to shadow now is an incantation

I believe it is also implied or outright stated that she's protected from the full extent of Chronos' magic by incantations as well

[spare kite]

Also breaks free of the surprise asphodel visit

[stable sable]

i gotta say ive never felt more pain than trying to fight chronos using aspect of thanatos

its almost impossible to stay close to him to stack up

[civic ocean]

Yknow what my favourite story bit is

If Zag is still in the time cube, isn't there a decent chance that he's now the little brother

[slow crown]

Hey Guys, im a web developer and was wondering if there would be a need for a hades2 website to upload builds (or at least certain ideas what would be a powerful or fun combination of boons) if some people would be interested in this i could start with a website concept in the next few weeks. But im open to different ideas if you have any

[timber pawn]

Off the cuff that sounds pretty handy. There's a high-fear/speedrun cataloging app someone is working on with some of that functionality I think. Link here: https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/

[plucky jungle]

https://i.imgur.com/v1wnC7z.png

my new build is almost perfect, just a million of fire damage. Sadly the boss went underground and the stack was cleared.

[bleak night]

wtf

[tall notch]

#h2-feedback message yes I am an onion hater

[civic ocean]

This the hades version of one of those slow roasted pulled pork videos

[novel maple]

TIL hecetas keepsake does not regen mana if you start at 0 🥲

you actually need to spend some before it triggers

[plucky jungle]

You know it!

[slow crown]

Oh nice couldnt find anything so far ill look into it

[bleak night]

I'm managing to reach Scylla on 49 Fear Axe now

It's pretty rough

The lack of Arcana makes me want to smack myself

was the Heat option that deleted some of your mirror able to go all the way or did it at least leave some

[timber pawn]

Lord, why not do 48 and leave damage control and arcana out

[civic ocean]

Here's what you'll need inputs for:

-Gods
-Boons
-Keepsakes
-Arcana
-Weapon Aspects
-Familiars
-Fear
-Hammers

And then text boxes to elaborate on them

[bleak night]

It's good for practice

[civic ocean]

Oh, Hexes too I guess

[timber pawn]

You're braver than me

[bleak night]

I want to have no timer and the ability to practice swinging a heavy weapon with no real options

whenever I find Screamers in Erebus, I kinda just wanna restart the run

The matchup is so bad for Axe that it's almost kinda insane

[civic ocean]

Is spin no good against them

[timber pawn]

Screamers are banshees?

[timber pawn]

No mp no speen

[bleak night]

yep, they automatically turn around and they run too fast at you

[slow crown]

Thanks for the list! The linked page is awful in terms of UX and UI. I think i might start by collecting all of the needed assets do you know if theres a repo or something which has all the icons currently ingame? EDIT: Oh nvm i think i can just grab them off the wiki

[bleak night]

if you dash through them, they just instantly spin and yell at you for damage. Considering I can't heal, I'm having a hard time getting past them + worry about all other enemies

[civic ocean]

You could try the wiki but idk if it has them all yet

[bleak night]

otherwise I could just play it slow

[civic ocean]

And a lot of them don't even HAVE icons atm like keepsakes and aspects so you'll need screengrabs of the names

[plush narwhal]

hello
was curious if anyone has a build to make torches good

[civic ocean]

Yes, depends on the torch

[plucky jungle]

Fire damage on the special attack

[timber pawn]

We really need a canned statement for torches lol

[plush narwhal]

i feel like its the worst weapon by far

[bleak night]

let the canned statement just be a picture of pink aura

[civic ocean]

Mel - Aph Apollo big balls

Eos - pash dash into whatever you want

[plush narwhal]

or i just dont know how to use them right

[stoic ridge]

hera on special and zeus on attack using aspect of moros

[bleak night]

You trying to win with them or are you trying to have fun with them ?

[timber pawn]

They are definitely a bit unintuitive. I started out hating them and have since cleared surface and underworld at 32 fear and have a 10:28 'speedrun' with em

[weary dune]

Hera eos also fun

[plush narwhal]

what the difference?
but seriously i just dont have fun when i use them and i try to use the marked weapon every night to have some variety

[civic ocean]

Torches and Axe make you better at the game

[weary dune]

Axe turns me into monhun hammer user

[bleak night]

You can play a serious run with them and play boons that have proper synergy or you can play a meme build and just turn your brain off https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=664d680e&is=664c168e&hm=fe645cd4eb019e064de73c446a2ca028eb57b31d3919131556d60aeb5b7493d1&

[plush narwhal]

axe is actually goated
spin to win

[bleak night]

How many times have I posted Pink Aura

[weary dune]

That's so many heartbreaks lmao

[spare kite]

Not enough

[civic ocean]

This is also going to be my recommended build for Mel Torches, I think this is the best way to consistently win at 32 with Mel Torches

[tall notch]

PINK AURA

[plush narwhal]

this looks pretty sick

[weary dune]

Hera regen aphro everything

[civic ocean]

Aph Apollo Hera

[weary dune]

Maybe aphro Poseidon duo?

[bleak night]

here is some pink aura gameplay https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=664d69be&is=664c183e&hm=ab52cd08f11c2af6e3c71a94880331994212bc670e56f60b4eb9093f58bc49b5&

[civic ocean]

spam mana pots as much as you can

[timber pawn]

Better off with Apollo duo for heartthrob memes I think. Since they do a billion damage

[plush narwhal]

yeah I think im a pink aura fan
will try that next time

[bleak night]

lol, nice

[civic ocean]

Generally speaking the torches need to get pretty close

so Aphrodite is quite good for them

[bleak night]

ignore my dumb gameplay, I brought all 4 death defiances to Chronos, so I might as well use them

[plush narwhal]

which is weird because from how they attack you would thing they are long range

[tall notch]

I tried pink aura once and died to Chronos because I just can't melee in this game

[bleak night]

wasn't pink enough probably

[tall notch]

But it was fun

[tall notch]

Yeah, common heartrob and no duo

[bleak night]

ah, rip

[civic ocean]

The hardest part with pink aura against chronos is that the time domes eat your balls

[stoic ridge]

is there a special speed up hammer that allows you to channel that fast?

[civic ocean]

yes

[stoic ridge]

idk how you get 6 orbs in 1 second lmao

[civic ocean]

Apollo legendary and triple helix

[stoic ridge]

oh apollo legendary boon, i honestly have no idea what it does since ive never seen it

[civic ocean]

your Oattack and Ospecial cost more but happen twice

[tall notch]

OH my pink aura didn't have Apollo legendary too

[bleak night]

managed to do 32 on the Flames btw @tall notch

[stoic ridge]

huh

[timber pawn]

Ayy nice

[tall notch]

Not pink enough indeed

[tall notch]

EOS GANG

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242529495425089708/image.png?ex=664e2b44&is=664cd9c4&hm=6781e5004a3031f2963901d96f68ba3e708dc77aa1d6464da35d83c4c2daa538& just need to practice for 40 and I should be good, I've barely played it is all

I should probably optimize those surface run timers since they won't be any easier once they add stuff

[weary dune]

I just want a zillion Pinky ghosts

[weary dune]

Ayo?!

[bleak night]

Pinky ghosts ?

[civic ocean]

the attacks are ghosts

[weary dune]

From Pacman

[bleak night]

ah

I wanna do another Luigi Kill run

[weary dune]

Inky Blinky Pinky and Clyde, I think

[bleak night]

I think my brain's been damaged by it

[mental pine]

Ive been looking in #h2-victory-boasting and most people i see always have like legendary or heroic boons but idt ive had a single heroic boon. Is there some sort of keepsake or strategy to get them?

[civic ocean]

If you take Vow of Forsaking and look in the book of shadows(codex) and see what the requirements are you can burn away the unnecessary boons and whittle down the boon pool to make them appear more easily

[tall notch]

For heroics, you can use keepsakes to force them fairly consistently in this game

[bleak night]

there's also the Aromatic Phial

lots of ways to make Heroic boons, in general, especially with Demeter and Hera

[stable sable]

GUYS I DID IT

I REALIZED HOW TO MAKE ASPECT OF MEDEA PLAYABLE

just pick poseidon dash and use that as your main damage and use medea as secondary damage source

[warped harness]

i have to try this damn

[civic ocean]

"just pick poseidon" don't we know it fam

[unborn pollen]

Can you explain which ones plz?

[warped harness]

medea is playable tho

[stable sable]

but is it really?

[warped harness]

you just focus on buffing the dash, the attack is basically a supplement

[tall notch]

God keepsakes (they can upgrade an epic if fully leveled) or the phial that turns a common boon heroic when you use a fountain

[stable sable]

thats literally what i said

oh wait no you mean special my b

[warped harness]

i meant the special

[civic ocean]

every god keepsake rarifies one boon, so if you hold it on the first boon and use rerolls to get the same god again during a miniboss, you will often be able to rarify the epics offered there to heroics

[bleak night]

it's one of the speedrunning weapons, yeah

[warped harness]

its really good, just more tricky at first

[stable sable]

anyways medea feels so damn clunky, i want to like it but something about it just feels wrong

[warped harness]

its the loading speed and how fast the skulls detonate i feel

[unborn pollen]

Ok I see so NEVER rarify the first boon?

[weary dune]

At what heat?

[stable sable]

yes it takes way too long to load

[stable sable]

ZERO

[weary dune]

Pop the attacks and then special

[timber pawn]

Well if you end up with multiple common boons before the first fountain, it's a problem. But yes that's one approach

[civic ocean]

Well, not never - Heroics aren't like must-have boons or anything. It's better to rarify and upgrade the boons you want, rather than shoot for Heroics.

[weary dune]

They burst on impact

[warped harness]

its not like the shield where u can hold the casts and prime them super fast, priming the dash is much riskier

[bleak night]

try playing at least 3 Fear with the Wandering Vow, it's kinda free and almost feels like nothing

[stable sable]

i know that but it still feels kinda clunky

[unborn pollen]

Ok got it, thank man

[warped harness]

wandering vow?

[stable sable]

brother i just cleared 18 fear but on a different weapon

[bleak night]

Oh, fair

[stable sable]

its really only axe and skull giving me trouble lmao

[weary dune]

Broadside and the returning hammers also go hard with like aphro special

[bleak night]

You need some tips on Axe ?

[warped harness]

i like the base skull a lot

[stable sable]

axe cuz trying to spin chronos to death just doesnt work the way you can do any other boss

and skull cuz its skull, nuff said

[weary dune]

You just gotta remember which way is Mel's left

[bleak night]

Might need to swap to Charon if you can't get spinning to work

[ionic quiver]

what builds do you guys go for on aspect of medea?

[clear root]

which aspects are good

[bleak night]

Hera

[stable sable]

ye that was my plan too but charon is lvl 1 lol

[bleak night]

probs do Zeus Omega Cast Thanatos as well, it's kinda neat

[weary dune]

Aphro special, Hera mp regen and probably Poseidon for aphro duo

[stable sable]

gotta think what the best cast would be for charon

[warped harness]

hera or aphro special, hera or aphro on the attack, demeter cast + cyclone is also is solid for support

[bleak night]

Apollo is kinda the only choice, oddly enough. Like, the rest don't really suit it

[tall notch]

Best thing I've been able to do with Medea so far is start Demeter and only special into enemies when they are frozen

[ionic quiver]

what do you put on attack? cuz origination is really good

[civic ocean]

Medea both wants a lot of defenses and naturally uses the non-omega attack and special so that aspect works really well with the Earth trio of Hera, Heph, and Demeter

[stable sable]

ehhhh i think you could use zeus too

but im just gonna have to play around and see

[bleak night]

Zeus is better off as the special that activates the Apollo Omega Cast, + Lightning Lance

[warped harness]

you can proc origination with just demeter cast and the cast cyclone boon from demeter

or hera

[clear root]

is there like a tier list for aspects

[stable sable]

oh actually that does make sense, the blitz will be popped immediately after all

[civic ocean]

You could in theory just go Demeter and get Torrential Downpour and Local Climate, which are both big damage boosts that don't require Solar Ring

[warped harness]

not really an official one

[stable sable]

i guess you could also troll and use hephaestion cast

[bleak night]

not atm, but people will put Momus and Pan above all the others

[civic ocean]

You need Apollo but not solar ring

[stable sable]

because pan is the most fun aspect tbh

[tall notch]

If you omega your cast then you cannot pop it with the special and if you pop it with the special you're not getting the lightning bolt value from Zeus, it's got anti-synergy with Charon. Very good on Thanatos though

[warped harness]

hephaestion? since when is alexander the great involved

[bleak night]

I suppose, but that Zeus/Apollo Duo is just so good to have

[stable sable]

or most visually satisfying at least

[civic ocean]

Charon is clearly meant to be a Solar Ring spammer yes

[bleak night]

Charon needs more build variety, so I'll probably test some builds out

[stoic ridge]

charon is literally a 1 note aspect

[civic ocean]

It's a big note tho

and honestly I like taking attack boon floor 1

[stoic ridge]

if you like its playstyle

[clear root]

whats a good god for momus

[serene sparrow]

Poseidon

[bleak night]

you kinda just spam Poseidon on it

[civic ocean]

Any

[stable sable]

anyways im off to torture myself with skull for nmare

👋

[bleak night]

hf

[stable sable]

im disappointed noone mentioned zeus

[timber pawn]

Mel skull can be pretty comfy if you just want to get it done

[warped harness]

goodluck one day you might love the skull like me

[bleak night]

I really enjoy Skull

[clear root]

are literally any of the skulls or torches good at all? i feel like the only weapons good in this game is staff daggers hammer the other 2 just bad

[stable sable]

oh wait i misread which aspect

[civic ocean]

I enjoy *skull

• 30% more damage on my Zeus Omega cast

[bleak night]

Medea Skull is pretty good for speedruns, but it takes a while to get used to since you keep diving into danger

[warped harness]

the mel skull is good if you know how to play around the empty skulls

[bleak night]

as for Torches, it's not that they're bad, it's that a lot of people just dislike the playstyle, but Eos is quite good based on how others play it, and I like the base Torch

[warped harness]

the damage bonus is dynamic, so throwing them out at the right range you can get all skulls to hit for 90 on the mel aspect

[timber pawn]

I had not considered that, that is neat

[bleak night]

Torches are kinda terrible on a controller is all, it kinda needs that right stick usage so you can move while attacking

otherwise it just tracks targets and you can't aim it anywhere

[timber pawn]

Have you tried turning off the aim assist?

[warped harness]

you can also use it up close since the delay when picking up the skulls lets you only have 1 in the chamber looping 90 damage on non elite enemies

[bleak night]

idk, I'm using Left Joycon + Mouse lol

[timber pawn]

I haven't, but just saw the option last night.

Right I forgot about your insanity lol

[bleak night]

[warped harness]

also, the array boon that gives 2 more skulls will add 40 more damaget to the skulls, but honestly i just like it bc it lets me leave skulls and focus on an area

[timber pawn]

My 32 fear mel skull run only had 2 skulls in the end lol

[bleak night]

I really like Apollo Legendary on mel skull

[warped harness]

5 skulls makes it a lot easier to manage crowds not just bc you have more shots but moreso bc you have more freedom to move around

[bleak night]

It lets you mortar twice the amount of skulls for the same amount of ammo

[warped harness]

special or attack omega?

[bleak night]

I can't tell if Omega Special with Apollo leg lasts longer

[warped harness]

ohh, ive not really messed around with the omega skull attack except for when I get the hammer that turns it into a straight shot

[upper cobalt]

Skull has the best omega special in the game IMO not accounting for boons/hammers which can make dagger omega special better

[spare kite]

It feels like it does nothing

[warped harness]

yea the dagger special is stupidly good at dishing out massive burst damage

[civic ocean]

Torches kinda good omerga special esp on mel

[warped harness]

i cant get the mel torches torches to work but ive done low heat with the eos torch

[civic ocean]

just go pink aura

[warped harness]

i also did the aphrodite eos torch trial where you fight eris on my first try

[bleak night]

imagine if it doubled the duration, so if you used Persephone with full glory you can do the wild ride for twice the duration

[zenith bolt]

ew, these hammer on charon EW EW https://i.imgur.com/Hay52Dq.jpeg

[bleak night]

go Big Chop for the meme

[warped harness]

i never did pink aura bc i thought poseidon was better, but after the pink aura vid i REALLY wanna give it a shot

[zenith bolt]

this is worse than selene start

[warped harness]

ive had the mel torches maxed for a while

[narrow mirage]

Is it possible to cheat having 3 hammers in a run by having one before going to Echos room?

[bleak night]

yes

[upper cobalt]

Yes, and then a 4th with the keepsake

[warped harness]

oh

[zenith bolt]

i wish i could make the cursor bigger or at least i wish the cursor contrast setting made it contrast more zz

[timber pawn]

Oof

[narrow mirage]

Icarus?

[bleak night]

it's why I pick hammers last when I'm in a Fields room that has it as a reward

[warped harness]

so should you take hammers last in fields to try and get a 3rd hammer?

[upper cobalt]

Oh true, so 5 even

[bleak night]

mhmm

[warped harness]

ohh the dagger builds

speaking of actually does hook knives even work with the aspect of pan

[upper cobalt]

Oh wait no echo on surface

[narrow mirage]

so what was the 4th you mentioned?

[upper cobalt]

2, 3rd with echo or icarus, 4th with keepsake

[bleak night]

You can get 5 hammer upgrades, yeah

the 5th is from the Anvil, if you like gambling

[zenith bolt]

i like how charon has like 2 hammers it even remotely cares about

[upper cobalt]

Ahhhh right

I wish anvil procd more often

[warped harness]

special speed and damage for blocking special?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[bleak night]

Me when I buy the Anvil and it takes away a good hammer boon, then gives me the two worst, detrimental even, hammer boons among the list

[zenith bolt]

i took marauder slash here bc it's the least outright harmful/useless

[warped harness]

i feel like half of the hammers for some weapons are just detrimental

[ember lintel]

I am pretty confident that Game Vault wiki have the most gameplay related info on the web atm
https://hades2.game-vault.net/wiki/Main_Page

[warped harness]

like a ton of the hammers for the torches

[bleak night]

I've stopped taking experimental hammer on Axes because I was doing a 40 fear run and it disabled my ability to spin after I got Furious Whirlwind

[zenith bolt]

do a dumb thing in erebus
get hit twice
dont actually take any damage either time bc of the messenger
never punished

100% skill

[bleak night]

dodge rate does put in work

[civic ocean]

This but with Mel torches and origin helix

[bleak night]

what does that one do ?

[civic ocean]

The omega special stays where you cast it

[zenith bolt]

your special orbit where you used it 50% faster iirc

[bleak night]

Ah

imagine I had that for pink aura, I think that'd be really funny

[civic ocean]

It's not an aura anymore

[bleak night]

pink glow

[civic ocean]

it's so much less damage that if it follows you

[warped harness]

pink lawnmower

[zenith bolt]

not even out of erebus and the poms are coming in clutch https://i.imgur.com/l7manxn.png

[bleak night]

what fear are you running Charon rn

[warped harness]

sheesh

[zenith bolt]

like 6 (+40% speed) im just doing some runs for fun/warmup

[bleak night]

ah, alright

[ember lintel]

Hey @civic ocean you told that you planned on doing builds couple of days ago. Anything is up? I've seen the google doc file somewhere around, but cant find the link.
I'd love to post some high quality builds to the wiki

[bleak night]

what's the goal ? 40 ?

[zenith bolt]

no goal, just doing a run

[bleak night]

ah, right, I think you've met all your ingame goals already atm ?

[zenith bolt]

the only thing im missing is skull 32 which im procrastinating on bc i dont like skull

[bleak night]

I still have to do 40 on Torches

I'm not looking forward to it too much

[tall notch]

You'll get to play Eos though!

[warped harness]

i dont like special builds on the staff

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1242538586088144906/image.png?ex=664e33bc&is=664ce23c&hm=738b6b38764a44e074ab39c4c283580ee840c4ed6e2817d4183cc6e6722b0c90& I love chaos

[bleak night]

HP nyoom

[slow crown]

Yeah thats the one i bookmarked a few minutes earlier, for now im collecting some inspo material to create my figma screens. I would like to utilize the same art style as hades uses in game

[ember lintel]

Oh, that sounds cool. Matching the game art style is always a good idea. Good luck!

[slow crown]

Thank you

[summer seal]

I believe this is the link you're looking for https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml#

[green wren]

is there an invisible projectile in the elite satyr on surface fight?

no visible anything and im losing hp randomly

[timber pawn]

Cy you're working on this one right? https://hades2-heat-run.vercel.app/

[ember lintel]

Yeah, thanks a lot!

[mental pine]

what is the best fear options for a 32 fear skull run

[civic ocean]

More will go up today since today is my learning day

I still have to do Air Fryer on Pan, Persephone, and Mel Staff, Charon's Double Duo Dunk, and Pink Aura Mel Torches

Then probably try to get Karaoke Artemis going

[spare kite]

aphro's trial bopped me for 30 due to the curse lmao

[civic ocean]

Can someone link it im on my phone

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR4pxl6K0R0 Mel staff is fun 🙂

[civic ocean]

Did you play it properly

I play it like a doofus

[tall notch]

What do you mean by that?

[civic ocean]

I play it with Panic on and just use the regular attack and special and go Air Fryer

[tall notch]

I was doing some Hera + Apollo gaming in low fear

[civic ocean]

I think it was Do Od who pointed out that the staff combo has like the 2nd highest base dmg or smth

[tall notch]

Haven't tried it in 32 fear but it's probably viable for that level

[civic ocean]

I'll have to try it, I got my 32 by stacking air fryer on the bosses after a pash dash start iirc

[tall notch]

Idk if you'll like my build that much since it used born gain tho

[civic ocean]

I think I'm pretty comfy writing guides for stuff that uses BG tho

Like it is not conceptually hard to understand why its good

[tall notch]

It's not mandatory for the build but it is pretty comfy to play on stuff that spams omegas

The idea is to get Apollo's legendary together and build towards either omega attack or omega special depending on which of the two you get hammers for

Could run the usual defensive stuff for safety

[civic ocean]

Does the hammer that doubles the omega attack and apo legendary gove 3 attacks or 4

[timber pawn]

Want to say it's 3 based on other things I saw, but don't have proof

[tall notch]

I dunno, for the one Mel staff run where I managed to assemble the legendary I used specials

[warped harness]

i wish that the arcana that filled your hex was a charge arcana instead

i dont think we have a channel speed arcana

[civic ocean]

Thrashing into Tartarus just came up on my phone and I swear I would win 40% chronos more if that played during the fight

IIRC - and I might be hallucinating here, but I believe all speed increases increase channel speed?

[tall notch]

About to try Mel staff in 32 fear, will let you know how it goes

[spare kite]

does eos have a good 3rd hammer, currently with sustained fire and furious fire

other option (echo) is fightx3

[civic ocean]

What is 3rd option

[timber pawn]

There are two attack speed ones, and then the channel speed one

[spare kite]

boon from previous night

[civic ocean]

Take it you coward

[calm maple]

The wording on hook knives is so hilarious; they go so far out of their way to avoid saying "special damage X 250%"

[mystic bison]

Boon from previous run is garbage

(Unless you ran literally the same build)

[spare kite]

only special hammers lmfao

[civic ocean]

If you were good at the word problems in ur math textbook you know Hook knives is the truth

It's not even 250% it's like a straight up 2x multiplier with the backstab on top

[mystic bison]

What build you going for?

[civic ocean]

Apollo dunk I think

[bleak night]

Apollo dunk ?

[civic ocean]

Yeah the legendary on the omega moves

Then go for special or atk depending on what hammers you get

[bleak night]

What weapon ?

[civic ocean]

Mel staff

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah that's fun

[mystic bison]

Def gotta try exceptional talent melee Mel staff

[bleak night]

I need to play more Mel Staff for Omega Attack artillery gameplay

[calm maple]

What's the difference? Backstab is just another 50%, right?

Is it x200% +50%?

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think Backstab is an additive multiplier

But the hook is just a straight pseudo-crit

[calm maple]

Okay so the second hit stacks w/ boons, but the backstab only adds 50% of the base damage

[tall notch]

Hera start into Apollo legendary for spamming either omega attacks or omega specials, which of the two I'll do depends on hammers

[mystic bison]

Born gain start?

[tall notch]

Yeah

[mystic bison]

Classic

[tall notch]

Just made it past Hecate, but I lost two DDs since I rolled no attack boon and ran out of time

[mystic bison]

With Charon well, Narcissius and Echo its still salvageable

[timber pawn]

This is a 5 minute timer classic lol

[civic ocean]

I don't think so - like let's say you have 100% worth of boons added to your special already

The backstab would increase that to 150% but it also adds a second knife which is always 2x damage no matter if you had 100% in multipliers or 600%. It works more like crit than a %boost

[tall notch]

It's 7 minute timer, I just had 0 dps

Managed to OOM with born gain on Hecate

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1242549090202419241/image.png?ex=664e3d84&is=664cec04&hm=e26057b66a67a9aa61e4d7ab8ed8966d6467a4ef1d272781487b2143aaafd56e& helth

[timber pawn]

Brutal

[timber pawn]

I'd say things are looking pretty good there hahaha

[spare kite]

lmfao this did td3

I love eos

[brittle prairie]

Not enough

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242550258236653680/image.png?ex=664e3e9b&is=664ced1b&hm=258b1ebd872204cd53a91c35c59b79f3acc0782518c0080655c98c59af9d085e& big dash

[tall notch]

EOS GAMING

[spare kite]

and chaos with the 170 hp lmfao

the first 2 death defiances were used in the aphro trial in erebus

also I actually had a good use of the safety circles incantation

[clear root]

man i think im close to done with this game sadly i got over 200 hours in hades 1 and barely less than 70 on here but idk it feels meh

[warped perch]

Gonna move this question ehre since it's not getting any tractoin in discussion and this IS about combat:

does anyone have any tips on the speed-based Chaos trial? GENUINELY not sure how I'm supposed to beat it.
I need to be EXTREMELY fast while having pretty darn weak boons, while not getting hit too much (which going fast discourages taking my time to avoid getting hit) AND making sure I still get to beat ||cerberus|| at the end
this genuinely feels like it's "be a literal speedrunner level of skill or you cant beat it" and I'm not sure if that's...intended? am I just not seeing something?

(also, side note: does anyone know if theres a way to get the city "support" room to spawn? (like...the equivilant of the city's 'Arachne') I've got 36 hours in the game and haven't gotten that to spawn even once. and it's the only keepsake I have yet to obtain.)

[zenith bolt]

ephyra npc room (medea) is just low odds i think

i tanked the timer damage for a bit in trial of haste

[warped perch]

apparently it must be insanely low odds cuz I've gone up top MANY times and legit never seen it.

Also wait the timer doesnt instakill you? I assumed it would instakill you. how much damage does it do?

[spare kite]

5 dmg/s

[zenith bolt]

timer causes you to take constant damage

https://youtu.be/XAgaZ-t8oxU?si=pbnTSze231xMW47H video

[warped perch]

fair

[tender anvil]

Just got Spiteful Strength in location 7(!). Hera+Heph is legit

[summer seal]

Seen it once in maybe 20 top runs. And couldn't gift her that time. Still need that darned trinket

[zenith bolt]

ive seen her about 5-6 times, enough to get her relationship maxed (to the extent that it can be right now, anyway)

[summer seal]

Call me Yoda, because Green with Envy I am

[civic ocean]

Feels like one of the easier duos to get ye

[zenith bolt]

spiteful strength reqs are things you'd normally take on them anyway

for example born gain + mint condition

[tender anvil]

Exactly - i just feel it’s something to build around, not stumble occasionally

[timber pawn]

I've been thinking this is a good strat for some high ish heat runs

[spare kite]

I hope we get purging pools soon lol

[tender anvil]

Then you can pump poms into mint condition, and run antlers safely

[tender anvil]

That’s exactly what I’m experimenting with for 40 Fear on remaining weapons

[tall notch]

@civic ocean died in Tartarus, didn't roll a single hammer that boosts either omega and also got forced into giving up born gain by vow of forsaking lol

[mystic bison]

Oof

[timber pawn]

I assumed you'd need 7-9 min timer, because expecting to roll it in zone 1 seems unlikely

[tall notch]

Hera+Heph is how I almost got 42 fear on Eos

[mystic bison]

Heph the run saver

[tall notch]

He also ruined that run by forcing me to take his regen when I bought his boon in Tartarus 🤦

[timber pawn]

What were you fishing for at that point?

Or just autopilot bought boon

[tall notch]

I thought I still had something defensive from him in the pool

[mystic bison]

That's why I usually get mint condition and trusty shield and then avoid him like the plague lol

[tender anvil]

Getting the Duo arcana and max rerolls makes it somewhat achievable, if not probable. Skipping onions vow, obviously

[flint mural]

Is there a way to see the offered Boons in-game, so that I can plan my rerolls better?

[tender anvil]

Just got through 5 minutes Erebus with Eos, and I suck with Eos

[tall notch]

I just wish there was a game in the game UI to show all the boons still available in the game or all the boons taken away by forsaking. Don't make me print out a boon list and cross out the ones I already saw

[spare kite]

Unlock all god keepsakes, incantation

That said you can't open it when in a boon menu rn so if you at least want duos/legendaries there's a steam guide for them

[mystic bison]

That would be an incredible qol improvement I have been thinking a lot about lately

The boon codex should show what boons you have forsaken instead of having to remember or take notes

Like most of the time I am trying to rush and keep the flow going not try to remember stuff like this

[tall notch]

Pencil meta about to become a thing for high fear

[mystic bison]

For duos its not as egregous most of the time (depends on the duo tho) but for legendary hunting its awful

[spare kite]

Take a screenshot of each boon menu to see what was deleted

[tall notch]

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-pencils/ new vow of forsaking guide just dropped

[mystic bison]

Gonna type this out to the feedback channel

[split igloo]

How am I supposed to actually find the cat? I found it once at the beginning of the game and then it just disappeared and I haven't seen it since. I currently have the frog as my animal familiar and im wondering if im supposed to unequip the frog in order to make the cat appear?

[timber pawn]

Have to do surface runs

[spare kite]

Have a fish, go upstairs

[split igloo]

ah, I just hadn't done any fishing yet

[spare kite]

@visual gust #h2-feedback message not all boons can be pommed

Now that I see it, an incantation for it would be nice

[tall notch]

#h2-feedback message I already made one but you have my support!

[mystic bison]

Ahhh nice, I made mine as well here #h2-feedback message

Maybe with more suggestions we'll manifest it more quickly 😂

[spare kite]

Everything to avoid the pen and paper

[civic ocean]

Idk if it reminds you I feel like at that point it's so player-positive

Which kinda isn't the point of the vows right

[spare kite]

I'd be down for a rework anyways lmao
Is still too player positive

[tall notch]

Pencil is gonna be meta, print out a boon list once, cross them out as you go through a run and erase once you're done

A bit pay 2 win though since you need a printer

[civic ocean]

Surely it's just a spreadhseet no

I can't colour in the lines

[white steppe]

the big z hit me with ionic gain, chain lightning on a build that doesnt need it and a replacement for a crucial boon, he really said f your mana

[civic ocean]

Thunderous Applause

[spare kite]

Just get a replace back into your crucial boon /j

Unless the swap rn is to heroic

[warped harness]

i love going for a special build and getting no good special hammers on the torches

the only one i do get makes the aura disappear when they hit a target

[civic ocean]

That one only works on the regular special so its actually decent to take for bosses

[warped harness]

oh

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean it's air quality scorch time

[civic ocean]

On the road atm lmk how he does, what Fear is he playing

[timber pawn]

He's screwing around w/ arcana atm, not sure what wep he's going for

[civic ocean]

Anecdotally I feel like it's stronger somehow when it's on 2 scorch applicants

Maybe because you can stack it up faster

[white steppe]

I thought 2 scorch applicators overrode each other

[spare kite]

For AQ scorch does hestia's legendary help btw

[civic ocean]

No IIRC it makes it worse

[spare kite]

Makes sense

[civic ocean]

It also isn't like realistic or a good idea to chase lots of hestia boons since you need 5 winds + AQ

Ideally you want Lightning Lance, Static Shock, Support Fire, etc

[karmic gust]

hot take: tranquil gain is really good (hotter take: its the best mana regen boon)

[timber pawn]

He's doing Zeus omega cast/local climate fishing. Idk how that's going to transition into aq scorch from there

[civic ocean]

Its not lol

[mystic bison]

Also I'm sure there has been tons of messages in the feedback channel on this but opening boon codex in the boon selection screen WHEN?

[white steppe]

who do you run as a 3rd on scorch aq?

[civic ocean]

Depends on the wep but usually its Apollo or Aph because they have Air

Oftentimes you start Aph because she gives you an immediate power jolt for Tartarus, usually Passion Dash

[white steppe]

im trying to shtpost with moros torches, scorch aq and the hestia poseidon duo

[civic ocean]

Actually

How does steam work

@tired fulcrum I summon thee

Does Air Quality impact the damage output of the Hestia Poseidon duo boon?

[tired fulcrum]

Dunno

[civic ocean]

It's hilariously not feasible to try and get

[tidal flame]

you gotta apply poseidons status effect and burn at the same time

[civic ocean]

And you need 5 air element and air quality

[white steppe]

I stopped for now but I think I took an earth boon from artemis too 💀

[tired fulcrum]

Can hermes and force a 4th god ig

[civic ocean]

Thats 10 boons unless you get stuff from narc

Or chaos

If you roll elements early at chaos you could go for it

[tender smelt]

whats the best arcana config

[civic ocean]

Depends on wep

[tender smelt]

umbral flames 24 fear

for me i have 6 that are a must

[civic ocean]

Probably 10 rerolls, then the DDs, the boss immunity for 3 attacks, and the time slowdown and max hp and mana

Then go from there

[tender smelt]

how u get 10 rerolls

[tall notch]

If torches are Eos you don't want time slowdown

[civic ocean]

Bottom left corner

[tender smelt]

melinoe

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1242562605541884056/image.png?ex=664e4a1a&is=664cf89a&hm=7cb89585972306ad766b1bc9ac05879dde79fd79df765909bfb8160d4cbae3fa& why do i get hit from there by the dash erupt

[tender smelt]

doesnt that mean i have to equp the money one as well

[civic ocean]

Yes the money one is good

[sudden scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242473370939953173/1242562161813880832/image.png?ex=664e49b1&is=664cf831&hm=9952fe62cf0dbcfb8530060e6820b043388b7151e530623c33debf0b7669bb56&
🤔

[tender smelt]

alr

[charred badge]

Excuse me what?

[white steppe]

is this the one time where its correct to cuck your mana with ionic gain

[charred badge]

300 damage on all enemies every 5 seconds!? How even?

[white steppe]

actually boss dmg is gonna be absolute dog lmao

[civic ocean]

Heroic level 31

@bleak night I feel like this has potential for the luigi kill

[warped harness]

i cant i dont think any special build will feel good without apollo and the triple balls on pink aura torches

[charred badge]

Does the Arcana that increase your Damage if you don't have 100% Mana stack with that?

[civic ocean]

No, Huntress only works on non-omega attack and special

[warped harness]

this just feels horrid when every single attack i charge puts me in danger cause i dont have any channel speed

[charred badge]

Ah, okay

[white steppe]

say chronos has 50k ish hp, you'd have to tank for 14 mins lul

[civic ocean]

Hera and Heph and Demeter have potential I think

[civic ocean]

Yeah you get that juiced up as well as double strike and divine vengeance

[charred badge]

Just avoid

[warped harness]

hera heph and demeter?

im assuming born gain and demeter cast where does heph go?

[charred badge]

Hera... Idk if Hitch effects that, tbh

[tall notch]

49 fear by kiting go

[civic ocean]

Yes, the green balls + Demeter stuff for origination and heph sprint

You can also do spiteful balls

[charred badge]

Hephaestus can get you armor, and good damage from Blast and Vent

[civic ocean]

That build doesn't have aph apo dmg but it should get cosrse grit easily

[sudden scaffold]

chronos has 20k hp in the first phase and 16k in the second (not including vows), you'd have to have a lot of patience still

[civic ocean]

Is that with vows on? I thought he had 15k hp first phase because the grudge does 3k dmg

[strange kite]

damn wow kronos chonky

[sudden scaffold]

should be 20/16 but i might be wrong

[strange kite]

why kronos hp so fat?

[analog osprey]

all bosses here have thick hp bars

[strange kite]

i hate the phase 1 arena

[sudden scaffold]

can't wait until they add extreme measures 4 and he starts undoing the damage you deal

[strange kite]

the walls are too close together

[analog osprey]

how do people do 24 fear torches

[strange kite]

it makes spiral knives less strong

[white steppe]

phase 3 chronos monkas, that better be like 4 fear

[sudden scaffold]

EM4 was 4 heat in H1 and it was almost never worth taking, good times

[tender smelt]

whats that

[civic ocean]

Don't worry about it

[white steppe]

eh it was funny when you're going for a disgusting build

[sudden scaffold]

extreme measures was a pact of punishment in hades 1 that they'll probably (hopefully) add back in hades 2, it makes bosses (guardians) harder

[white steppe]

i wonder what cancer effect chronos is gonna have like the darkness hades put on your screen

maybe he makes you move at like 50% speed or something

[civic ocean]

Hades EM4 is one of my favorite fights

[white steppe]

EM polyphemus drops the whole sheep herd on you, they're all invincible and they're all the 6 dmg ankle biter

[civic ocean]

EM Polphemus can see you

[white steppe]

does EM eris unlock aspect of lucifer so she just hitscans you with the laser and you cant do anything about it

[civic ocean]

EM you have to fight Nemesis too

[spare kite]

just give her an speedruner's build (boons included)

[tired fulcrum]

[ocean quail]

Ok I'm interested in aspect of eos, the special focused aspects for the torches didn't click for me... What boons to priorotise for attack? aphro? Should I still go the strength/antler route?

[tired fulcrum]

Clockets eris glhf

[analog osprey]

how do you feel about the explosive sheep on the poly fight
or the sheep with circles that negate your attacks entirely?

[summer root]

Aphro attk poseidon special

[spare kite]

aphro dash start is fun for eos

[ocean quail]

should i even bother letting go of the leftclick? shouldnt i get born gain and thats it?

[white steppe]

wait i havent seen that 2nd one, wym negates your attacks?

[summer root]

i just beat the game with them finally clicked for me how to use the torches

[spare kite]

golden sheep, blocks magic/projectiles

have fun if you are playing torches

[analog osprey]

there's a type of sheep surrounded by a magic circle that rarely shows up in the polyphemus fight - iirc when its in the aoe of any attack, the whole thing doesnt hit

[white steppe]

man torches players just stay losing

[spare kite]

just apply the same concept as em4 dad
just don't get the bad summons

[analog osprey]

torches make me die inside and its the last testament i need to complete

[sudden scaffold]

i think the sheep with the circle slows you down, not blocks projectiles

[ocean quail]

I still don't get them and the skull..

[spare kite]

nah it def blocks stuff

[white steppe]

making them 24 heat for no reason is pretty funny you gotta admit

[analog osprey]

skull is a melee weapon, be next to your target and attack it for insane dps

or you could spam omega special with apollo/aph on it

[spare kite]

borng gain start or aphro dash are pretty good
I did aphro for origination/no mana vow

[white steppe]

persephone with the hammer that makes the ospecial waves come back and aphro special is the good stuff

id still like a clearer indicater for when glory is charged cause on chronos i just let the charged special rip on some poor hourglass with no other targets 2 or 3 times

[analog osprey]

persephone works like this:
Max Charge is 5s
0.1s of charge is gained for every 100 dmg dealt
at 0.5s of charge you can starting using the aspect's gimmick

so to max out your persephone charge you need 5000 dmg

without using charged special, if you want the full 5s duration

[civic ocean]

Persephone also works like this:

Omega Casts deal 30% more damage

Take Zeus Cast and murder everything

[spare kite]

what are those numbers sgg

[analog osprey]

its getting reworked, apparently

[civic ocean]

That's too bad, I really like how it works now

[analog osprey]

option b: get aph attack, stand next to victim, spam attack to turbocharge the thing

[white steppe]

i thought aphro is the medea build

[analog osprey]

the dps of non-medea skull is high when you stand next to a target and dont stop shooting

since you automatically reload after the shot connects due to the skull dropping right there in front of you

[tall notch]

How do you know that?

[analog osprey]

#h2-discussion message

oops, it may not be getting a guaranteed rework mb

[white steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824538394506952724/1242568947702960170/images.jpeg?ex=664e5002&is=664cfe82&hm=70a2db93b9572f266a742a2e7b49193a095aafbc49bcc509542b07c2a17cf2c0&

[civic ocean]

You can do both of these at once and its probably p good

[mystic bison]

Harpies are the spawn of the devil there is no way that cyclone length or whatever tf you call it not getting shortened

[spare kite]

the real plan is use the +30% hp vow so enemies actually give you time to charge

[civic ocean]

Do that and 40% faste ez

[north vortex]

Does soot sprint work on chronos?

[spare kite]

works on the orbs iirc

[mystic bison]

Works on the orbs

[white steppe]

gotta run maxed attack vow so you can get medea keepsake online faster

[brittle nacelle]

How do you use the staff? I'm only in Oceanus but my fingers hurt from spamming specials.

[spare kite]

set up a macro

[white steppe]

no pain no gain baby

[sly scarab]

that is how you use the staff, I believe

ranged spam babee

[mystic bison]

No victory is without sacrifice

[stable stone]

whats the best build for the skull rn? its my least favorite weapon atm but i wanna give it a fair shake

[analog osprey]

imo
you can spam omega special with apollo/aphrodite
you can spam attacks adjacent to target with aph

[ocean quail]

regarding persephones aspect what is the indicator of glory actually working? don't think I understand it

[spare kite]

@ocean quail
tl;dr yeah but slow af to charge

[analog osprey]

you can see how much charge you have in the small semicircle to the right of your hp/mana bars, just above your death defiances

[ocean quail]

oh wow it takes forever

[analog osprey]

500 dmg is reasonable but barely gives any benefit
5000 is much, much harder

[ocean quail]

does it decay overtime? does it deplete once i cast?

[spare kite]

depleted on use yeah

but you can save it through multiple rooms

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean okay now it's happening. He's skeptical though

[civic ocean]

I mean if hes skeptical its his loss ig

It's a thing for sure

[ocean quail]

soooo.. its very bad, is there a worse aspect?

[timber pawn]

He's doing momus for some reason which is a bummer

[spare kite]

is still a pretty solid aspect thanks to the +30% omega dmg buff

[civic ocean]

It works fine on momus

[ocean quail]

@spare kite but you need 5k just for 1 time use no?

does the cast charge the cast?

[spare kite]

is to all omegas, the dmg buff is a passive from the aspect

[civic ocean]

You just use the regular omega special at 30% stronk

[spare kite]

the meter is only to extend/control the omega special

[ocean quail]

oh wait i'm dense, i thought for some reason its for the omega cast. anyway can the omega special damage that is consumed charge the next?

[rigid lake]

guys am i crazy or are the wands/torches absolutely doo doo

like the damage is SO BAD

[spare kite]

aspectless they feel like the worst weapon
Eos is actually really strong

[onyx trench]

my complaint is not being able/not knowing the range of my attacks. the special trajectory is hard to tell at the best of times, and the attack fire rate feels rough

[timber pawn]

Hestia Zeus aphro pool, he's gonna get it I think

[rigid lake]

idk man but the slow projectiles that do like 10 dmg, the omega attack that eats up a ton of magick for no reason, and the special/omega special that seems to be the only decent thing about them; any boss fight that would usually take like 2 minutes is dragged into a 5 minute ordeal of just run around at a distance and pray the slow ass balls tickle the boss

[hallow pasture]

I found them mostly useful for wasting magick really fast so I could constantly be in the invincible hex form

it's pretty unfun imo but the added aspect of the hex time freeze still doing omega special damage is at least a little funny

[rigid lake]

i just never use them at all anymore, which is unfortunate considering they were designed to be, well, used

[onyx trench]

i really enjoy using the torches, i simply wish they felt more intuitive and less...awkward?

[spare kite]

main thing that bothers me is the auto aim being and no mana regen when using attacks (and that's more of a general complain)

[hallow pasture]

I will say omega attacking is kinda fun, who doesn't like shooting inky blinky and clyde all the time

the auto aim is...something on controller for sure

[queen charm]

she'll get more hammers like Rocket Bomb and Cluster Bomb...maybe both at once for cluster rockets

[spare kite]

she already has a weird mix of triple and cluster

spams grenades one after the other and shoots like 5+

[queen charm]

I know she got Hazard Bomb too

[spare kite]

add targeting system lmao

or seeking fire

[queen charm]

she also has this weird Hestia aspect-looking shot

[vital jackal]

Ok, I just did something which could be stupid:
I'm currently playing with the artemis daggers.
I took the apollo attack with rare rarity. Now Aphro offered me her epic attack boon so I switched. In the next room Apollo offered me his heroic attack boon so I switched again. Was this smart? I used to boons to improve my rarity.

[spare kite]

if you are going for his legendary ig, but is daggers, the aphro close range will always be on

[quiet axle]

Finally got 32 heat Chronos down. I loaded up the 32 points, but left the timer alone so I had unlimited time. Then it's just about dodging bad stuff and surviving the first 2 zones with a good build. 32heat surface feels much tougher so far.

[lunar lance]

So I think I like the Giga Cleave hammer for the axe.

Being able to feed extra magic into it for a second hit is good, but it hit me that it has versatility to it, too. Because you can hold the special for longer, that means you can hold the guard for longer before Melinoe automatically slashes.

[plucky coral]

The aphro attack boon is so good on daggers especially with the buff to backstab from heph

[spare kite]

isn't that from apollo

[plucky coral]

Apollo might have a back stab boon but heph has one that is 200% damage

[spare kite]

isn't heph's boon for when enemies hit you mid attack

[plucky coral]

That's a different one

[spare kite]

the only +200% from Heph is the duo for no boon on attack/special

[timber pawn]

@civic ocean he got terrible rng and has like 8 Zeus boons and no infusion

[plucky coral]

I was wrong it's from the hammer

[dark parcel]

what weapon should i unlock? i already got the twin blades and the witch staff

idk if i should get the hammer thing or the flames

[civic ocean]

Is he not forsaking

[timber pawn]

He is not, he got scammed

[civic ocean]

Hmm I should mention that in the guide

[timber pawn]

It doesn't seem like he's gonna try it again unfortunately

[civic ocean]

That's fine, more Youtube views for me when I get it going right

[plush narwhal]

I have joined the church of the pink aura and am henceforth a firm believer

[dark parcel]

best hammer for the moonlight axe?

[warped harness]

if youre playing charon anything that boosts special speed or damage

[steel sequoia]

i have one question, how aspects gets more lvl like the red level instead of orange?

[warped harness]

you need to collect nightmare, which can be gotten from the broker, charons shop at the end of a run, or doing runs with weapons at a certain fear level and killing the associated boss

[steel sequoia]

allright its the fear level probably, thanks

[dark parcel]

i might get the unyelding slash

the shield sounds good

[shrewd cape]

hey how does engagement ring work? the wordings quite odd

[cursive oyster]

whenever something spawns it gets hit

[shrewd cape]

whilst its active? so i should drop it under stuff that spawning in?

[cursive oyster]

anywhere on screen while its active

[civic ocean]

It hits things outside the ring

[glossy sluice]

Hi, I just saw that you could upgrade your ||familiars|| and I wondered how ? Just by feeding them or is it anything else to do ? And what’s their max level ?

[spare kite]

Just feed them more yeah

[tired fulcrum]

how do i get rerolls to not constantly give me the same boons

[strange kite]

pray harder to rngesus

[ionic moon]

you need to get this guy's boon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caerus

[long hemlock]

kneel

[strange kite]

i hate it when i use 2 rerolls and still dont get poseidon special

and its like “well cool erebus is gonna suck”

[wind kettle]

whats a fun build for thanatos

[tall notch]

Zeus cast gaming, you're arguably not playing axe but crits with cast fun

[long hemlock]

if u r actually a god and have the timings and spacings down hes sick

[ionic moon]

the main problem with that is why not just play charon at that point

[lost shell]

why not with axe

[long hemlock]

charon just hits different when u clear a room

[timber pawn]

You don't need to use the special with thanatos, Zeus omega cast just crits a boatload

[tall notch]

Axe special is hella awkward to use without that one hammer

[lost shell]

i think charon is op with apollo cast, but with any other cast is just mediocre

[civic ocean]

Charon quite bad with Zeus cast, cannot be activated

[lost shell]

currently game is kinda limited imo, i hope we can get ares or athena or dio boons soon...

[civic ocean]

Game is already way more varied than H1 IMO

[ionic moon]

wait wha? is that a bug?

[lost shell]

i disagree

[long hemlock]

how so

[tall notch]

Nah it's a feature, charon axe explodes your casts while Zeus does its thing BEFORE it explodes if you omega

[civic ocean]

No, Zeus Omega cast needs you to use it by pressing the omega cast button the does something before it explodes

Charon special explodes the cast

[ionic moon]

hmm i think i see, zeus cast requires omega cast start, while charon only causes omega cast end

[lost shell]

In hades 1 u could build from attacks, specials, cast and dashes. Take Ares for example: u could mix him with Athena, Dio, Afro, Poseidon and Arthemis. The great ones, i mean. Right now in Hades 2 most builds are like... Afro/Dem, Poseidon/Hest, Dem/Hest and the Apollo/Zeus for the Charon aspect only. The rest is not that great, at least right now. They just dont feel that powerful and optimal in my opinion

[civic ocean]

Aspect of Persephone alone can be built like 6 different ways using all of its moveset and every combination of gods in the game atm

[long hemlock]

im an eso main now

[lost shell]

Never said you cant. I said its just not great and optimal like other builds

[spare kite]

In what world are you comboing ares and pos (yeah yeah not the point but just curious)

[civic ocean]

What does great and optimal mean

How many great and optimal builds did Zag Sword and Nem Sword have

[lost shell]

cast build is great. tried a few times

[tired fulcrum]

Merciful end, heartrend, and flat damage soup were all pretty good

[lost shell]

Yeah, there ARE those cases. like the aspect of beowulf with dio cast... Im just saying how i feel in general, in H1 i used to pick a weapon and i was excited to try different stuff, mixing things. Dont feel this right now, but hey its just early access. That said, i miss Ares and Dio boons ngl... Also Zag Sword was very flexible

[tired fulcrum]

Optimal beo is poseidon cast tho

[tall notch]

Eos gaming??

[civic ocean]

I think you should just try more stuff, the list you put up didn't include Triple H or Zeus/Hest for instance

[ionic moon]

duos seem to need some rebalancing in general, they definitely don't match up to H1. merciful end (obviously), but sea storm, ice wine, smoldering air, hunting blades

[lost shell]

What is Triple H and zeus hest? since their combination sacrifices zeus boons

[strange kite]

duos suck in this game

[civic ocean]

Huh

[long hemlock]

its everything the other 2 arent lmao

[lost shell]

Yeah, maybe thats it

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh a lot of them sucked in 1 but more suck here

[civic ocean]

Hera Heph Hest Spiteful Strength + Slow Cooker, Zeus Hest is Air Quality Scorch

[lost shell]

Some duo boons are cool, but cmon... They dont live up to the hype rn

[civic ocean]

Also Apo/Aph on torches, Dem/Apollo on casts, etc

[tall notch]

Another one joined the Eos cult!

[ionic moon]

speaking of air quality, i think all the infusions should scale up per element like how slow cooker does

[civic ocean]

I think the thing that broke me through 32 fear all weps was realizing how good some of the duos are

And how easy they can be to get with Forsaking

[wet nova]

You haven’t mixed and matched duo boons yet to see how good they are

By themselves some can be pretty underwhelming I agree but with a build focused on the duo they are pretty fun