h2-builds-and-combat

[glossy rivet]

hmmmm
what else i gotta do

the armored enemies are hell havent even reached eris with the trial loadout yet kek

[spare kite]

Stacking up hp is nice
And get aphro's infusion if possible

[brittle prairie]

Am I the only person that likes Nemesis/Hercules interfering with door/shop choices?

[glossy rivet]

since thers no born gain can i skip heartthrob on the trial?

[civic ocean]

You're missing a lot of dmg

[glossy rivet]

i probably should cuz no puink mist with the meh magic regen

[spare kite]

Is free dmg, no reason to skip it

[magic wyvern]

What should I focus on when trying to do a skull run? like boon wise or whatnot

[bronze bear]

anyone knows what dashing heave does (I think it's an axe hammer)? is it dash strike damage + armor break?

[mystic bison]

Thoughts on Than vs Charon for 20 fear?

While I like spinning it's just way too hammer reliant, thinking on changing things up a bit

[civic ocean]

I think Than is going to feel easier but both can win

[tall notch]

The Zeus cast way of playing than is chill in 20 fear

[ocean ibex]

charon is free with apollo cast

[glossy rivet]

charon with apollo is fun though last run i really suffered to land hits on eris with it

maybe if i had faster cleave hammer (is there one?)

[civic ocean]

Charon sucks big time against the 40% speed increase

[bronze bear]

man zeus/apollo cast feels overpowered lol

[ocean ibex]

yes

[mystic bison]

I feel like if I don't luck out with chaos boons or the hammer or some such Kronos is pretty much a nightmare with spinning

[mystic bison]

I play on 20 percent

[bronze bear]

I play on 0% and take +100% damage instead

[inland pumice]

Does anyone know what the warding circle in Erebus does? I unlocked them but not sure what’s happening when I stand inside them.

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pOGGl5ddQQ
You can do this with Than axe, every lightning is +1% crit so it synergises really well

[bronze bear]

shield bubble blocks some enemies and shots

[urban pendant]

Okay, you HAVE to choose. Zeus Ω cast or Apollo Ω cast

[spare kite]

Blocks projectiles/pushes enemies away

[orchid fog]

I think this is the pettiest thing I've ever done. I just replied to a five day old post so I could do an "I told you so" because I remember the conversation randomly...

Am I a mean person? lmao

[spare kite]

I've seen enemies get crushed to death cuz they got caught between the shield and a wall lmao

[delicate spindle]

Wish they would buff moon boons, Feels so bad when you get them, especially at the start of the game

[inland pumice]

Got it. So basically you sit inside and you’re relatively safe

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think SGG are aware of how the players feel about Selene at this point

[tall notch]

Hexes are alright but NOT as a start thing, you usually won't have the mana to use them room1

[shell sun]

dude aspect of artemis is so funn

[merry kiln]

how should I run skull?

[delicate spindle]

Hestia and Hephestus need buffs as well. They also feel quite bad to create a build around

[orchid fog]

false you actually are specifically able to use them room one cuz they come charged.

[urban pendant]

The moon powers are fine, just wish I could check the path of stars before choosing
So that I can never pick meme beam unless it has the turret mode upgrade

[orchid fog]

booyah

[civic ocean]

Hestia and Heph are both super slept on sadge

[inland pumice]

I will say, I agree about Selene being underwhelming, but I did get a super fun morph build. I was using daggers, with Aphrodite omega attack and Zeus omega special with regenerating HP. So the build obviously used a lot of mana, and I managed to get like 2 or 3 morphs per room in Tartarus.

[orchid fog]

Hephaestus is literally the least used god in my file.

[terse egret]

moon axe my favorite weapon so far, so satisfying

[inland pumice]

Just turned everything into sheep and backstab/throwing knife them

[spare kite]

Hexes can be fun but their investment is insane, sometimes you don't even get the upgrades in the tree that you want

[inland pumice]

^

[orchid fog]

If you get the Hex upgrade for Morph that makes the sheep explode when they die you can create a chain reaction that literally clears an entire room sometimes.

[mystic bison]

I just forget hexes are there

[delicate spindle]

His cooldowns on his explosion effects are way too long. Hestia scorch is also quite bad compared to the damage bonuses for the other gods

[terse egret]

Yeah I've sometimes gone a full run and forgotten to get hexes and it's worked out better for me.

[tall notch]

Sorry worded it poorly, you won't have the mana to use them early into a run. Room 1 doesn't really matter since that one is so easy

[urban pendant]

For Hestia, anything above 40 damage/sec is wasted (unless you get a high tier Fire Extinguisher boon) so she's kneecapped by design
Hephaestus feels good but requires ridiculous pom investment to BE good

[mystic bison]

Even with the healing hex I forget I have it

[orchid fog]

I was just giving you grief I knew what you meant. Sorry.

[tall notch]

But you're likely not to have mana for hexes until like Hecate

[bleak fox]

double hits from Apollo leg do not stack with double hits Omega Cast from hammer for Axe?

[spare kite]

Also yeah c1 selene is ew

[merry kiln]

is there a way to make torches good

[glossy rivet]

also maybe hex upgrades should not clutter the boon page

[orchid fog]

Be better at the game.

[civic ocean]

Hestia has two really good build-around mechanics and I think is the safest, most consistent god to build around at 32

[bleak fox]

or bug?

[gaunt jetty]

haven't found it yet

[civic ocean]

Othrr than Poseidon obviously

[glossy rivet]

does apollo legendary work on charon cleavecast?

[urban pendant]

Play cast build and forget you have the torches

[tall notch]

I need to make an Eos guide at some point lol

[glossy rivet]

like does it make cleavecast pop twice

[bronze bear]

Hestia's Scorch makes me sad when I stack it up to 2.4k yet lack the "spend all scorch" boon

[merry kiln]

thank you for the input

[delicate spindle]

yea, high tier fire extinguisher or her legendary are the only way to make a build around her. Otherwise, she is in the dumpster tier just above Hephestus

[orchid fog]

Hestia specifically has a neat boon I like to take when using the Pan knives where you can throw your cast. Makes the knives ten times easier to use.

[merry kiln]

like eos torch?

[civic ocean]

Air Quality and Slow Cooker are the two build arounds for Hestia

[inland pumice]

That’s the main issue with them, I was already saying. Hades, as it is designed, is literally a big skill tree. Each time you’re choosing between Aphrodite or Apollo or whatever, you are making a skill tree choice for your build. So why would someone pick a possible “hex lasts 2 seconds longer” or “you do 5% more damage with your hex” over guaranteed powerful, game changing skills? That’s the main issue, hexes add more skill trees into a game that is literally about you putting together your build through a skill tree, and the hex upgrades are not high impact enough to be enticing. The only time I ever pick Selene up is if it’s in a shop or part of the mourning fields rewards

[urban pendant]

Yeah I take Hestia boons for utility only. Soot Dash is a very safe dash boon, and Glowing Coal is amazing when running Pan daggers.

[gaunt jetty]

Is it just me, or are scorch boons just worse than splash boons? less dam and over time too

[tall notch]

Yeah

[bronze bear]

I think scorch are the worst boons now to have on your attack and special?

[delicate spindle]

yes, a single splash effect can also hit multiple enemies

[civic ocean]

Heathens I swear

[gaunt jetty]

eh, i like her regen for ranged builds

[inland pumice]

I hope they do a full rework of the hex system. Either make the hexes more powerful and remove the skill tree aspect, or make the skill tree upgrades stronger

[brittle prairie]

I mean on a technicality but it really feels like if you dobt bring the tool/familiar the resource doesnt show up at all now so not really?

[inland pumice]

As they are now they sit in this weird middle ground, you don’t want to build into them, but sometimes you have to pick up Selene cause it’s the only option

[orchid fog]

If you get Hestia cast and Poseidon main damage, then manage to roll the duo boon, "steam" is a very strong mechanic IMO

[merry kiln]

what boons should i take for artemis daggers?

[civic ocean]

And again, Air Quality makes Scorch do insane dmg

[orchid fog]

I'd imagine Aphrodite since the backstab will be always close range

[glossy rivet]

oh yeah also the thing with hexes is it doesnt give me iframes like greater calls in h1

[bronze bear]

steam is strong yet you still don't want to stack scorch lmao

[mystic bison]

The moon card works with Charon axe right?

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762828627288260662/1241786955734192279/SPOILER_image.png?ex=664b77b9&is=664a2639&hm=b29e21d37f8a30634d2f269ff0624b7aece3d722eb89e9f09863b29d12a95b5a& man I wish I'd gotten this on a 32 heat run and not on an experiment run lol

[glossy rivet]

if anything the hex powerup animations just makes me a free hit for chronos lol

[inland pumice]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! Other than the shadow form that’s immune to damage

[delicate spindle]

How does air quality do anything if Scorch allready does 30+ damage?

[urban pendant]

Aphrodite is solid
Not sure if Poseidon could work, can the splash effects crit? Anything with rapid attacks is good with the lord of the Brocean anyway.

[bronze bear]

what's air quality?

[glossy rivet]

even shadow form transformation doesnt give me iframes and usually means i cant use it on chronos for emergency impervious

[urban pendant]

"You can never deal less than 30 damage per hit"

[delicate spindle]

Air quality is you cant do less than 30 damage

[civic ocean]

Scorch does it's damage in smaller ticks and air quality sets each of those ticks to 30

I believe we have discovered it deals triple dmg

[orchid fog]

Scorch should have exponential DoT depending on how often you apply it, rather than a flat amount. Much like real fire, you can run through it really quick and barely feel anything, but the longer you are exposed to it the more damage you take. Having fire work like that makes more sense to me. STACK THE DOT

[glossy rivet]

so air quality also raises the overall accrued scorch damage?

[bronze bear]

air quality needs 6 air right?

[civic ocean]

5

Air is the easiest element in the game to get

[glossy rivet]

like without air quality: i apply 80 scorch i get 40, 40 in 2 seconds
wb with air quality?

[urban pendant]

Requiring at least 5 other boons to make the core mechanic of a god work is still kind of jank

[delicate spindle]

That doesn't seem intentional? If say a single instance of scorch does 30 damage. And it does that 30 damage over 3 ticks, you are saying it now does 90?

[ionic moon]

scorch is 40 dps but it does it by doing let's say 10 ticks of 4 in that 1 second

[civic ocean]

Scorch does 40 DPS in 4 ticks of 10, so Air Quality makes it do 120

[delicate spindle]

damn

[inland pumice]

Can someone explain the priming thing to me? The thing that confuses me is the prime boons say “for the next location”. For example, prime 30 mana to reduce damage by -5 for the next location. But it lasts for the rest of the run right? And it doesnt prime another 30 mana on top of the original 30, no? Do you guys get what I’m saying? The reason I didn’t take any prime boons at first was I thought it would keep eating my mana until I had zero

[mystic bison]

Does The Moon card work with Charon?

[civic ocean]

Yes

[mystic bison]

Nice

[brittle prairie]

The one duo boon that applies 90 scorch in an AoE on omega charge is extremely spammable too have you ever stacked them?

[ocean ibex]

primed magick only lasts for every room

[civic ocean]

No, I haven't actually leaned into Scorch as part of the build because I haven't felt you need it once you have AQ you just keep 400-500 scorch on each boss and they die while you play evasively

[inland pumice]

So hypothetically, if I were to prime some mana, and then lose the boon that is doing that, I would get my mana back?

[ocean ibex]

yes, in the next room

[glossy rivet]

air quality scorch would have anti synergy with the scorch explosion tho right

[inland pumice]

Got it, thanks

[delicate spindle]

Damn, so you wouldnt event want fire extinguisher on this combo right? You want the scorches on as logn as possible

[inland pumice]

So at the beginning of each room, it primes the amount

The thing that confused me too was, I thought it was a choice. Like at the start of each room, you can decide to prime or not to prime for the boon effect to take place

[civic ocean]

Chronos has about 15 thousand HP each phase so with nothing but scorch it would take about 2 minutes to kill each phase

[glossy rivet]

ok ima do another air quality scorch build
do i just pick any rapid fire weapon aspect for this?

[delicate spindle]

i would imagine same playstyle as double moon shot Staff build

[brittle prairie]

You only need to Omega charge for literally 1 frame so ot can be spammed several times in a second on Staff special for example without commiting to the omega or camceling the soecials output to stack up thousands of scorch in seconds

[civic ocean]

It is, in theory, weapon agnostic?

I have done it at 32 with Mel Staff and Pan daggers, Cold has done it with Eos torches and tried Than axe and said it felt awful

I am playing axe atm for Charon build at 32 but once I do it I'm going to play it on Persephone Skull

[delicate spindle]

Not counting existing base damage of attacks or specials? Also, her legedary doubles her scorch damage right?

[mystic bison]

Should be a good loadout for Charon https://i.imgur.com/0FFklMD.png

[glossy rivet]

yuh thancast with aq scorch yeah ima try that goodie

[civic ocean]

I don't know how well it works with the legendary, as others have said you only really get like 1-2 hestia boons because you have to take a lot of zeus/aph/apollo for the Wind elements

[glossy rivet]

i mean scorch cast does have pretty good scorch addition doesnt it
oh yeah but it wont make the crits build up
@civic ocean if i use omega cast does it make the scorch ticks apply the crit buildup?

[delicate spindle]

Charon?

[mystic bison]

Charon Axe

[civic ocean]

Idk I don't think so

You would take Zeus cast and scorch on the spin presumably

[glossy rivet]

tfw the spin is just for applying dot ticks

[civic ocean]

It sounds the worst on axe tbh

[glossy rivet]

maybe not doing this on thancast

[delicate spindle]

I dont think charon builds care about any cards. Just get Apollo legendary, Apolo cast size boon, and dual special hammer and you are golden.

[civic ocean]

Axe doesn't have a safe spammable move

[glossy rivet]

mel staff? shoot specials a lot?

[civic ocean]

Any staff yes

Any staff, any dagger, any torch, and probably any skull?

Okay now lets talk about y'all slandering hephastus

[mystic bison]

Sure but I still was trying to maximize the dmg, undecided between Huntress and Moon but I figured I'd try Moon out

Huh so axe special has no slowmo even with sorceress

[delicate spindle]

well, you told us Hestia can be top tier build with Air quality. Tell us how Hephestus is good

[tired fulcrum]

You mostly spam omega special so you dont really need huntress. Furies is nice since it buffs both the explosion and apollo damage

[civic ocean]

Heph is really really good in Erebus and I think Erebus is the hardest region in the game

Plus Mint Condition is broken

[quaint orchid]

why would Erebus be hardest

[civic ocean]

Because by fields and oceanus your build is online and you shmoke everything

[glossy rivet]

mint condition rarity matters more so than other boons perhaps?

[civic ocean]

It's a lot like Slay the Spire tbh - if you don't take stuff to help you in Erebus at 32 that place just murders you

Then as the game goes on your build curves out

[vapid hatch]

how do you unlock "Insight Into Offerings", I am at 117 hours and 82 nights

[mystic bison]

Oh so huntress bonus dmg doesn't carry over to the omega?

[tired fulcrum]

Is that boon menu? It should be get all core god keepsakes

[tired fulcrum]

Its specifies "attack and special" singular. You can also test on skelly

[vapid hatch]

my incantations menu is done (except for the true ending) and I already have all keepsakes

[vapid hatch]

yes, boon menu

[tired fulcrum]

Ive heard nectar a god a second time maybe but idk

[vapid hatch]

every god except one is max nectar

one nectar missing

[civic ocean]

Do you not see the "show requirements" button at the bottom on the god screens

[vapid hatch]

omg, I thought it was an extra tab in the codex ontop, instead its the "offerings" button at the bottom of the god you clicked on
thanks 🙏

[bronze ginkgo]

Does Artemis' "enemies in your cast have a higher chance of taking crit dmg" include the hit your omega cast does?

[ivory panther]

im again noticing static shock seems to have an ICD somehow

[spare kite]

Only attacks pretty sure

[bronze ginkgo]

Gotcha

[kind remnant]

cant believe i spent all that time trying to recruit the cat only to find out its complete garbage

[spare kite]

She's good for bones grinding at least

[brittle prairie]

Fishing rod and 40 HP death defy is nice

[spare kite]

Anything that skips me the "hooked!" Minigame is great

[inland pumice]

Is it a good idea to try and focus Hephaestus? He seems to be a good “I don’t have a boon on this button” backup, but wondering if Hephaestus focused builds can be strong

[tired fulcrum]

He needs way too many poms

And 200 on attack isnt that much idk

[inland pumice]

Yeah the main issue is the blast damage

[brittle prairie]

The dash is nice

[fading swallow]

i very badly wish they had a refund/confirm purchase button for charon shops

[inland pumice]

I wish there was a way to increase blast damage

[brittle prairie]

Like you can totally stack damage on the dash amd shred

[fading swallow]

i wanted to purchase a nightmare at the end of my run but i was literally 1 pixel off and purchased a hermes boon instead

[brittle prairie]

you can, they benefit from global additives and crit rate

[inland pumice]

Right, but specifically I mean

Targeting blast for a higher dmg increase

[fading swallow]

i tried to forcefully quit the game but my progress was set back 👍

[brittle prairie]

Idk origination and Strength cam net you double damage with them

If you pick boons that apply debuffs

[cyan rock]

i just tried a similar run with steam. but oddly steam didnt even touch the damage charts. has anyone seen steam on the damage meter before? or does it count under another category like scorch or something? steam felt prety strong in run. but idk.

[brittle prairie]

thats why the dash one is strong

[inland pumice]

I think the base blast should do more damage too. 200 damage on a 18 second cooldown is not great

[tired fulcrum]

Strength isnt global cuz funny bugs/wrong tooltips

[tall notch]

His support stuff is amazing

[brittle prairie]

rip

[terse egret]

Is there a way to view your current stats like dodge% while in game?

[spare kite]

Oh c'mon

[brittle prairie]

The attack one is terrible, the special is servicable, but the dash one since it has no cooldown is genuinely a solid option

[terse egret]

Ergh, there isn't a character attribute screen yet I guess. Though technically right now I have 101% dodge.. let's see if that works..

[cyan rock]

i doubt its adative. % dodge is generally multiplicative meaning 100% is not possible

[brittle prairie]

Since when? most stats in this game are additive

they use thevsame descriptor so why wouldnt they be an additive stack?

What was the precedent in Hades 1?

[cyan rock]

generally as in "in most games" i wasnt being specific to hades cause i dont know for sure.

[spare kite]

Hades 1 was additive for dodge

[wise knot]

Holy moly, Coarse Grit - the infusion boon from Demeter is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo busted. It even negates 1-hit kill from Chronos to 15 damage

[terse egret]

Hmm they should have a note of that somewhere if it that's the case. I haven't gotten hit yet but will report back if 100% dodge is working

[cyan rock]

nice! now if only her damage reflect 750% also worked on his 1 hit kill lol

[warped harness]

special damage bonuses dont increase poseiden damage do they?

[cyan rock]

would love to know i am really curious. most devs intentially make it multiplicative to stop invulnerable runs lol but it would be cool if this game was not like that.

[spare kite]

Nah
Needs to say "deal more dmg" w/o specifying

[warped harness]

ok, like that zeus infusion boon

[spare kite]

Dmg reduction is multi fwiw

[timber pawn]

almost got 32 heat axe done but I grabbed the hera legedary on the chronos fight and primed 50 mp or whatever, and my born gain ran out

I'm so dumb

[brittle prairie]

Nah only global damage increases

[cyan rock]

good to know. do you know if dodge is or not?

[spare kite]

Like I said, in h1 dodge was additive (just hard to keep 100% constantly)
Idk if it changed for h2

[warped harness]

do you still take 999 damage from chronos's aoe if you have the demeter infusion boon that caps damage at 15

[brittle prairie]

nope

15 baby

[warped harness]

k then I have a run idea

[brittle prairie]

Pretty sure it even applies to the +300% first hit of damage vow

[civic ocean]

No not like that, the Zeus infusion works differently

The Hermes infusion works

[terse egret]

It looks like 100% dodge did work for a bit. Though I had the skill 50%+ dodge on, but minus 2% each time you dodge. So now I'm kinda down to 80%

[warped harness]

oh, what is hermes's infusion boon?

[terse egret]

I dodged around 10 hits in a row. Though I could've just been lucky

[spare kite]

+20% dmg if you have 2 of each element (except the duo one)

[warped harness]

ohh

[civic ocean]

Zeus' infusion boon checks if the damage you just dealt was less than 30, and if it is, it changes it to 30

[brittle prairie]

Does that spend 30 Damage worth of scorch or does it turn each tick of 10 scorch into 30 so whats normally 40 damage of scorch becomes 120?

[spare kite]

2nd one iirc
@civic ocean is the AQ scorch truther

[tired fulcrum]

Is daze additive with dodge tho

[brittle prairie]

Probably multiplicative would be my guess

given its 2 different stats, they probably get chevked seperately

[tired fulcrum]

Prolly

[terse egret]

the raising monster hex surprisingly deals a lot of damage

[tall notch]

I think they keep all the fear modifiers?

[inland pumice]

I wish the monster you raise couldn’t take damage from you

[spare kite]

Charmed/revived enemies always do ridiculous amount of dmg

[inland pumice]

It’s annoying when the raised monster blocks you from hitting enemies

[tall notch]

If you're running hera I guess you can use it to deal hitch damage

[brittle prairie]

The raising monster effect even wothout vows does a ton of damage

[inland pumice]

I guess that works lol

[spare kite]

The armored summons can really mess up chronos too

[brittle prairie]

especially if you get a +8 path of stars at any point

[terse egret]

Yeah and there's a skill where the monster takes some of the boon (after-damage?) which seems nice

[brittle prairie]

prerty big commitment but it pays off pretty well

[inland pumice]

But yeah I would prefer your attacks to phase through your raised creature

[brittle prairie]

the damage spike boons also put in insane work if you get that path of stars option

[narrow mirage]

Is Apollo good on anything?
The only thing I could think of is the axe atk

[civic ocean]

Yesterday I was told this was the case

I am a 33 year old man and far too lazy to instal the dps tracker mod and do the research myself so I am choosing to believe what I was told

Though intuitively if feels like more than that

[brittle prairie]

Very good on most things

usually not optimal but nothing to complain about

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1241800517731225721/Hades_II_2024-05-19_10-11-11.mp4?ex=664b845a&is=664a32da&hm=834bfc54afca4a2c07bdc2d483fb0d2245de69d69e25e3fa3832052502c9544e& @civic ocean 210

[brittle prairie]

The Omega Cast boon is extremely good

can do upwards of 1000 per cast if you have the cast based damage increase arcana

[tired fulcrum]

2 stacks of 40 makes it 390 idk how this thing works

[narrow mirage]

definitely not the torch, imo

[civic ocean]

Does that inclue ur initial hit dmg

[brittle prairie]

Torch doesnt need it but its not that much worse than aphrodite

[civic ocean]

Try it with the cast

[brittle prairie]

considering additive damage mechanics

[tired fulcrum]

The initial hit is listed seperately

[inland pumice]

Okay anyone have any advice for torch builds, I need to get my fear 1 clear on Eris but hate these things lol. Any advice?

[civic ocean]

Wait that's not right then

[tired fulcrum]

Like you can see it as attack

[civic ocean]

It should be 240 why is it 390

[brittle prairie]

Eos Hera, Ignore special

[civic ocean]

Can you...adjust your framerate and see if that changes the dmg

[tired fulcrum]

Dunno, 210 implies 7 ticks so its already weird. Also hestia legendary makes it deal 120

[civic ocean]

So hestia's legendary makes it worse

[civic ocean]

Can you try changing the rarity

[tired fulcrum]

Rarity of the scorch attack?

[civic ocean]

Yeah

[tired fulcrum]

Didnt do anything

[fast walrus]

quick question about zeus' "static shock"
it says it's gonna make my strikes emit chain lighting - does that mean only my attacks or my specials and omega specials too?

[civic ocean]

Or the cast

[brittle prairie]

once per damage instance

[fast walrus]

but does it pop on omega specials too?

[brittle prairie]

from anything

[fast walrus]

sweet!
thanks

[brittle prairie]

yes

[civic ocean]

Also can you try hitting him with 2 sources of scorch

[fast walrus]

is there like a cooldown on it or something?

[brittle prairie]

Im not sure if it applies to poseidon damage alongside the hit that triggered it, or artemus arrows

[fast walrus]

im using aspect of Pan and i'm mostly doing omega specials

[brittle prairie]

nope

[fast walrus]

awesome

[tired fulcrum]

If i double moonshot a rare flourish its still 210

[brittle prairie]

each individual dagger hit spawns a lightning, one of the best boons in the game, probably Zeus' best standard boon looking at it in a vacuum

[tired fulcrum]

No diff

[civic ocean]

And the meter is tracking per second right

[tired fulcrum]

Total damage and dps

But im just looking at the total

[civic ocean]

What does it say for Scorch's dps

[tired fulcrum]

It tracks total dps

[civic ocean]

Can you cast him then

Since cast adds no dmg

[tired fulcrum]

I mean still its gunna be wonky since dps is calculated by when damage started so itll vary

[civic ocean]

Stack a bunch of casts on him and wait

Put like legendary on the cast

Or heroic or whatever

[tired fulcrum]

Skelly kinda dies is the problem

Well it hits 166-160 ish

[civic ocean]

Huh

That's still more hmmge

I think....that theoretically that could beat 55 fear?

You would need the god run though

[tired fulcrum]

Sure just get air quality in room 1

[tall notch]

How'd you clear 5 min Erebus?

The earliest I got aq was Oceanus

[civic ocean]

I think you'd have to take antler, roll an aph or poseidon start on the weapon attack, maybe pan maybe momus maybe torches?

Then you get 2x chaos, nemesis, artemis, arachne, charon, fountain. Chaos offers you 3+ elements combined and you finish erebus with aph zeus hestia in the pool

[tired fulcrum]

@forest veldt did you test with more than 20 stacks of scorch because im getting different numbers
#h2-builds-and-combat message

[civic ocean]

In what way are they diff

[tired fulcrum]

Well according to them it was 4 ticks a second even if you had 40 stacks

[civic ocean]

Are the ticks scaling based on the total number of scorch

[tall notch]

I mean you're rolling onion start in 55 fear

[civic ocean]

Yes you'd have to basically only get like 1 or 2 fights

Because you'll probably need like 2.5 mins to beat hecate

[tired fulcrum]

Well 40/80/120 stacks converts to 210/390/570 damage which is 7/13/19 ticks. So it appesrs to be 6 ticks a second plus 1 more happening somewhere

Though idk maybe theres a certain amount of stacks consumed per tick that doesnt quite math into 40

[civic ocean]

So that seems like somewhere between 4.8x to 5.2x Scorch's normal damage

[tall notch]

If people are getting different numbers could this have something to do with the game's frame rate?

[inland pumice]

Anyone else think cyclops boss is super annoying for melee builds, I feel like there’s so few opportunities to hit him without taking damage. They should make it so his stomp rings only come out once every 10 seconds or something

[tired fulcrum]

Dash through the leap rings and stand front of him when he does zombie stompies

[tall notch]

Yeah the fight's design screams "play ranged"

[civic ocean]

That would mean that Vow of Dominance III Chronos would take roughly 1.5 minutes to kill using only Scorch dmg, which intuitively I think I believe based on what I've seen

[inland pumice]

Like you still take damage from the stomp if you’re up close, but the rings don’t come out

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1241592400715976885/Hades_II_2024-05-18_20-13-53.mp4?ex=664b6b48&is=664a19c8&hm=848db0280e020a849216420561bbf2e3af5ca7e05a39d6b9445f1566ee645188& like you can combo wombo him with axe on fo2

[inland pumice]

That way you could dodge behind him and avoid taking stomp damage

[mystic bison]

So my 20 fear Charon axe run ended up horrible

[raven ivy]

Woah is this how apollo strike on axe usually looks?

[tired fulcrum]

What

Yeah its beeg

[mystic bison]

Ngl Ill stick to Than for 20fear

[raven ivy]

I've been underestimating it in my head

[spare kite]

It looks as big as asterius swings lmao

[civic ocean]

I wonder if Apollo Strike on Axe is the way to start Charon at 32

[zenith bolt]

not related but idk how people can play with screen shake on games 😭

[tame vector]

Do Hephaestus core boond benefit from Spiteful Strength when on cooldown?

[tired fulcrum]

No

[tame vector]

Huh, weird boon no?

Hard to plan for

[thin lantern]

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if torches are the first 55 fear godroll

[spare kite]

Laughing in the face of the haters

[tall notch]

Eos about to flex on everyone 💪

[thin lantern]

Hell yeah, just crushing Chronos with the magical girl wands

[tall notch]

Right now I don't think it has the damage to do Erebus with 0 arcana BUT if the haters get torches buffed...

[thin lantern]

If it can clear Erebus with a slight buff, won run?

Because torches have the worst start and an unholy capacity to snowball

well assuming at least reasonably good RNG getting the correct boons.

[tame vector]

What's the prefered god for attack on eos?

[thin lantern]

That depends... Hera is a nice reliable option.

[tall notch]

Hera/Demeter/Zeus are all solid

[thin lantern]

Oh hey, they DID fix the blades' testaments in a stealth hotfix just yesterday. Wait, Zeus attack?

[tall notch]

IF you can go for passion dash into their duo

[thin lantern]

ah, I see. that was a 'wait what' but this makes sense

[tame vector]

Why % dmg and not flat boons?

[bronze bear]

is the duo the one that triggers blitz instantly? the doom gloves combo from hades 1?

[thin lantern]

meanwhile: starting a 32 fear for the third statue... burn three rerolls on heph, no trusty shield ree

[tame vector]

And why not aphro if you want to dash into foes?

[thin lantern]

yuppers

guys, have you ever had a seed so cursed, your first reroll offers the exact same boons again

[tall notch]

In 32 fear I start with passion dash because it can build into Zeus duo, aq scorch or apollo duo heartrobs

Depending on what shows up room 3

And any of these options will melt late game

[civic ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[thin lantern]

that snowballing sure is nutty tbh

[tall notch]

With antler just getting an attack boon, some percentage scaling and mana regen is enough to snowball which is why I'm digging it for Eos

[civic ocean]

Is antler for oceanus

[thin lantern]

I just hate how Antler makes for extremely risky, high skill play

[tall notch]

If I'm running antler, I won't start passion dash unless room 1 happens to highroll it. My god pool for that is demeter+heph for defense and third god is flexible depending on what shows up

[civic ocean]

Based

[tame vector]

Just noticed there's currently no benefit for ether

[civic ocean]

Whats ether

[white steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824538394506952724/1241813051989295217/image.png?ex=664b9007&is=664a3e87&hm=f03dd06a49daac8f80fcbd14bbca89bec15719d31459fe3159f03a0a1b01f389&

[west belfry]

I barely notice the cyclops boss "looking" phase
what does that do?

[white steppe]

omega attack build btw, at chronos btw, no born gain btw

[summer brook]

** ** Anybody else having a hard time figuring out what’s happening in the second round against chronos? I’ve gotten to the second half of the fight a couple times now and I can’t tell where the safe spot is specifically when there’s a number on the clock that’s circled out. I thought standing on that number would be the safe spot but I’m pretty sure I took damage regardless **

[thin lantern]

Ugh, Heph start did not help me :/ No trusty shield means I got death defianced halfway through erebus from the wrong yippee

[thin lantern]

your feet need to be in the circle, a toe out of line and you get nuked.

[tame vector]

The fifth element which is associated with duo boons and amazing movies

[quasi laurel]

What builds to go for in 32fear runs? I've already done Momus, but would like to try some other aspects and weapons

[civic ocean]

Chaos gives infusion for that

[spare kite]

Attack him during it and you get thrown a rock

[tame vector]

OOOOOH

[signal robin]

Does chronos’s second health bar actually have less health than the first? Feels like it’s going down faster/im doing more damage

[tame vector]

Probably does less shield stalls

[west belfry]

huh, that happened?
I only recall the directed shockwaves.

[tall notch]

I do think the health bar is smaller

[quaint dawn]

I did it yesterday with Mel skulls using Demeter attack and Aphrodite cast

[summer brook]

Thank you! 🙏

[civic ocean]

You spend less time running for your life in 2nd phase above half hp too, he does way more "walk slowly and then channel"

[thin lantern]

AAAAA delete hippos from the game pls kthx

[quasi laurel]

Thank you. Will try it out. Any recommendations for axes?

[civic ocean]

Wtf are hippos

[quaint dawn]

I haven't had much success with axes

[thin lantern]

I got my momus poseidon rare special, my trusty shield, and all... two death defiances down in erebus because the shield came AFTER I got chunked by the 300% damage oath

[quasi laurel]

Fair. Me neither 😅

[thin lantern]

green, fat, spit red blobs, explode

[tall notch]

I cleared 32 with zeus cast than axe but I don't think I can take it higher than that

[thin lantern]

aka: bastards

[tall notch]

Axe early game just feels so rough

[tall notch]

Oh are these the dudes who kite you most of the time?

[spare kite]

Don't forget that they run away

[quasi laurel]

Went Apollo cast / Zeus attack, but got smashed on my way to Chronos. Axe makes you facetank too much damage and hard to heal on 32fear

[thin lantern]

yeah, as I said, Bastards.

[tall notch]

It's hilarious to me when Artemis misses them with her shots at +40% speed

[thin lantern]

rapid moonfire... this is winnable, if I stop getting screwed

I even have Seeking Fire on this momus run, I'm just getting skissued so hard

[tall notch]

You got this!!!

[thin lantern]

okay, so, the trick to this run is: armor is basically my healthgate, and I have normal damage taken outside of the first hit.

[white steppe]

king's ransom to ditch lvl 3 purple sworn flourish to upgrade blue storm ring, the things we do for the prophecies

[thin lantern]

out of erebus in 6:29. ow

[tall notch]

What fear is that?

[thin lantern]

32. momus, but bad™️ and cursed seed (my heph start rerolled the same damn boons on the first roll)

just for the statue. so I can put it out of my mind forever and just never run 32 again.

[rain hazel]

Am I supposed to be dashing into the scythe when chronoes throws it in a circle?

[thin lantern]

well, screw it, I'm running demeter's keepsake so I can lock in my third god in oceanus and hopefully get gritted up

my seed is SO CURSED my entire erebus was nothing but big yippees, sharks, and hippos

[tall notch]

What's wrong with your seed 😭

[thin lantern]

and of course oceanus just spawns star platinum first room

[green wren]

omg thats what they remind me of

[thin lantern]

well I started with heph keepsake trying to get trusty shield room 1, got attack/special twice in a row lmao

[spare kite]

Big yippees is the perfect name

[tall notch]

You don't Poseidon start with Momus?

[thin lantern]

I have 300% damage first hit to avoid the +damage taken fear for the entire run

[spare kite]

#h2-feedback message @tepid hearth h1 also didn't tell you how many chambers left until boss, you just had to memorize it (knowing how many, even if an incantation would be nice tho)

[tall notch]

Oooh, heph strats. I like it!

[thin lantern]

more correctly, I am actually on a blursed seed, where I got like... poseidon as god room #2, epic flourish. but the enemy spawns are the hardest ones and I'm a bad player.

[surreal hazel]

#h2-victory-boasting message getting one particular hex upgrade pair can be mad

[thin lantern]

if not for my bad at videogames disease, this would be a won run, actually

[green wren]

whats the best 32 sockets

[thin lantern]

unfortunately I have a terminal case of bad

[green wren]

just slot them all except onion and no arcana / mana?

[tall notch]

Depends on weapon and playstyle

[green wren]

yeah ig no mana doesnt rly matter for momus its just free arcana dmg at that point

[tall notch]

For example, 5 min timer is good if you're zooming around anyway but not if you wanna take it slow

[thin lantern]

no mana is free on staff (mostly), MAYBE base daggers and axe, maybe mel and medea skulls

ow, I had a tough decision. mint condition and the magick to health boon in the same pull

[tall notch]

No mana is free if you're going for room1 born gain

[spare kite]

(forgot to add you can check chamber count in both games by seeing your boons, top right)

[tepid hearth]

lol ok, I did play Hades 1 to death so that tracks.

[thin lantern]

true, that too, born gain just means you get 1-3 blue drinks and you're golden for the rest of the run?

[tall notch]

I would've taken mint any time since a reasonably powerful build can nuke a whole wave of mobs/an elite/first phase of a boss before it runs out

[tall notch]

Might need a bit more if you're running the thing that primes your mana as you pick up higher rarity boons

[thin lantern]

oh yeah, I take mint still

also. does anyone run no arcana seriously

[dawn cape]

How long is the delay between blitz being activated and the damage triggering so I can apply blitz again?

[thin lantern]

too long

[zenith bolt]

huh https://i.imgur.com/SnGO1Tg.jpeg

we love placeholder names https://i.imgur.com/FZXehon.png

[thin lantern]

LMAO

frogge.png

[sick radish]

what hammers synergise well with thanatos axe?

[zenith bolt]

furious whirlwind is the most obviously beneficial one

psychic whirlwind is good but is bugged rn on than axe so only the first hit of spin will count to the crit chance

[lost cave]

medea build:
aphrodite atk, zeus spec., hammers - bolstered array (prio), looming ignition (2nd best), sudden driver (if can't get both), hera gain not a must but good to have

gameplay - charge 2 skulls per special, use dash to close gap and then use special, special doesn't have to be omega but if you feel like you're gonna take damage charge it all to omega, 2 skulls trigger blitz so it's best to use 2 per special to maximize dps

https://imgur.com/a/8Pcd3bq

[thin lantern]

You know what? I'm taking Hydraulic Might for the first time, over Natural Selection... I figure, since I have Mint Condition, this might help me chunk things in that time

Echo Defiances 💜

the true run unkiller

[signal robin]

is aspect of Medea supposed to keep the skull on melinoe/not launch it?

[lost cave]

Yep it triggers the skull explosion once you hit something with ur special

[thin lantern]

Fields basically is where you claw back lost time downstairs, correct?

[signal robin]

thats… interesting

[lost cave]

It's pretty fun, you get aphrodite's attack since ur skulls are always stuck with you

[signal robin]

okay im seeing the vision now

[lost cave]

Ofc there are other builds out there but this one is what I usually run with

[signal robin]

I’ll try it next time the skull has grave thirst

[thin lantern]

huh. I am out of poseidon boons, so the next one will 100% be the legendary. if I get a next one.

the very last pick I was offered was crashing. guess I can win this. maybe

[tall notch]

Do you meet the prerequisites?

[thin lantern]

as I said. last one I got was crashing. and I got slip way earlier

[tall notch]

Let's gooo, you got this!!

[lost cave]

Okay you'll defo get it

[zenith bolt]

that is a nice benefit of forsaking

getting the legendaries with higher chance assuming you dont get screwed over earlier

[tall notch]

I don't like forsaking that much because some of the lows it gets can genuinely end runs

[zenith bolt]

yeah

im never taking a chaos that reduces choices ever again dude, it nearly killed my 32 torch run

[tall notch]

Like that one time where my only Heph boon left was his regen and I got forced to replace born gain 😭 42 fear thrown away before Chronos just like that

[thin lantern]

ah. fields is where you get time... and doggy is where you lose it back KEKW

[zenith bolt]

i lost three really nice boons (trusty shield, some poseidon i forget which, and idk the last) and was kicking myself for taking chaos

doggy is like free on momus, just dont play entirely gooberly and you're fine

[thin lantern]

I lost a DD due to being precisely a goober

[lost cave]

Doggy is very weak against casts esp 2nd phase

[tall notch]

I actually suck at +40% speed dog, his attacks feel so weird. Unless I nuke it I'm probably losing a DD

[thin lantern]

also, after I get 32 statue, I'm not playing momus again kek

[zenith bolt]

cast is basically mandatory on phase 2 cerb with +speed bc his slam rush is actually just death otherwise

[thin lantern]

I may be on 40%? can't remember

yup, 40% speed doggy

[zenith bolt]

+40% on 32?

[thin lantern]

skelly please carry me

[thin lantern]

it was that or +damage, and I WILL get hit whether on 0% or 40%

grit gamble ain't always kind to me

[zenith bolt]

32 i usually do something like this. can add revenants instead of something idk https://i.imgur.com/FSuz8aN.png

[tall notch]

I always run it regardless of fear, it's so fun

[zenith bolt]

i should probably adjust to 40% tbh

im already completely adjusted to 20% so the jump isnt as big

[thin lantern]

ironically, I'm kind of praying for goldbag or satyr boss

simply because they're free whatever the hell the room is, not twenty years of hourglasses

[zenith bolt]

honestly tartarus minibosses piss me off less than oceanus

[north glacier]

Does the aphrodite special/attack work based on your location when you start an attack, or based on where you are when it hits? Seems inconsistent and I can figure it out

[thin lantern]

after the goldbag stealth nerf, it's a freebie

[lost cave]

I had a similar one, I added the boon that turns into onions over damage tho when I was using daggers

In hindsight that was a stupid move since you need to set pan up with core boons to deal dmg

[thin lantern]

thanks for howling soul, dad.

[quaint dawn]

what was the nerf?

[steep musk]

how do i deal with getting zeus boons :( he sucks booty

[tall notch]

I genuinely hate onions. I enjoy making builds too much

[spare kite]

Where you are when it hits pretty sure

[thin lantern]

maybe I shoulda gotten last gasp though, since I'll probably lose these defiances

[zenith bolt]

lol yeah half my consistent strategy is just "take x god keepsake and then ball"

[thin lantern]

oh, it no longer turns at the speed of light

[steep musk]

damn it was the only thing making that fight hard

[dawn cape]

So, honest suggestion, Aphrodite boons should show you the "nearby" circle on the ground

[zenith bolt]

staff -> momus, poseidon special
blades -> pan, poseidon special
torches -> eos, hera or poseidon magick regen
axe -> thanatos, aphrodite attack
skull -> medea, aphrodite attack

[tall notch]

Even for antler gaming, I feel as though onion slows me down so much I might as well take tight deadline 3 for the same amount of fear instead

[lost cave]

Actually its not bad with momus but I get what you mean. And the onion vow is also per region

[quaint dawn]

i think they're good with skulls and torches

[spare kite]

Onion feels as bad as ap2/ri1 somehow

[thin lantern]

#h2-feedback

[dawn cape]

Yeah I already posted that suggestion there

[zenith bolt]

onion is about the same as the purging pool thing in terms of how many boons you lose from it

i think it just incentivizes using artificer more bc going 5 rooms in erebus with no damage is actually just death

[lost cave]

No its actually worse. You have a lil bit of control on what you sell in Hades 1 but you actually could skip a core boon if you pick onion

[quaint dawn]

the annoying thing about onion is delaying your build coming online. it makes the first area more dangerous when using the timer

[tall notch]

But pool made you remove AFTER the region. Massive change for timer

[spare kite]

UC at least had the minimum counterplay of "remember to take an useless boon"

[zenith bolt]

true

[dawn cape]

With zeus you want ways to do 120 damage after proccing blitz, for instance put blitz on your special and then a direct damage boon on your attack, and then a 10 damage staff special is more like 200 damage as long as you can follow up from the special poke into enough damage to trigger the blitz

[tall notch]

• it paid you money

[zenith bolt]

revenants are unironically my least favorite vow i think

[dawn cape]

It's not designed to be main damage by itself, but Zeus can do that with some attacks (for instance I had a successful zeus attack build on axe)

[steep musk]

so it's like heph, you put it on the side move to add some bonus dps?

[tall notch]

Idk I kinda like picking them up. 1 revenant is fine most of the time

[thin lantern]

revenants are free fear for me, even at 50%. I don't run 5min

[zenith bolt]

its less about timer and more about just having to run through enemies to avoid them respawning

[bronze bear]

sometimes it feels like revenants accumulate and you get a room of endless triggers at once

[graceful nest]

Heya I'm just curious, if I'm not bothering, why is Pan considered the best aspect for daggers? The special on aspect of Melinoë already feels super underwhelming, is it a sort of Chiron situation maybe?

[lost cave]

Revenants are okay but there are times where they can mess up your positioning. It's actually annoying esp in the surface cause there's fire everywhere

[tall notch]

It's bad for 5 mins because the next wave of mobs doesn't show up until you clear all your revenants

[green wren]

some of the rev balls can just pinball to the otherside the map its so annoying

[zenith bolt]

pan is basically chiron 2 (special with many shots that become homing)

[bronze bear]

pan homes

[quaint dawn]

revenants aren't bad. at worst you still disable the enemy for 5 seconds. only in the fields sometimes they hide in the bushes that can be a problem

[tall notch]

So that slows you down even if you're amazing at picking them up

[thin lantern]

ah. my favorite. room of twenty thousand skulls. /s

[dawn cape]

Basically you put cast down, charge special, and nuke enemies, and there's a hammer that gives you 16 knives

[zenith bolt]

teleporting skulls are up there with hippos for most hated enemies

[thin lantern]

revs are godawful with the delayed explosion enemies

[white steppe]

oh other people hate hippos too? that makes me happy

[tired fulcrum]

Hippos

[lost cave]

Oh yeah the floating eyeballs

[graceful nest]

Hm, is there a particular god to go for? The same way you'd want Dionysus on Chiron

[versed bear]

Combine that with Static Shock.

[thin lantern]

ree, I have coarse grit on offer, but 5 earth.

[tall notch]

Poseidon

[dawn cape]

Skulls and rats feel a bit more fair because you can create area denial with your cast against them

[versed bear]

Hestia, maybe?

[tall notch]

Because every knife is a splash

[thin lantern]

absolutely evil :/

[tired fulcrum]

Not hestia

[dawn cape]

Unlike the first game where dealing with rats was just "mash buttons and hope they die before hitting"

[tired fulcrum]

Hestia special is garbage

[thin lantern]

welp. chronos time. wish me luck. I got 3:20 and all but one death defiance, with toula and skelly

[lost cave]

Pos spec. and Dem cast

[graceful nest]

Hestia's burn feels so underwhelming ngl

[tall notch]

I believe in you!

[brittle prairie]

Withput Air Quality it absolutely is

[versed bear]

There's that one boon that basically cashes out Scorch damage.

[graceful nest]

Easier to just hit something 1 more time than wait for the burn

[tired fulcrum]

Idk the tart rats travel at like mach 10

[lost cave]

Hestia legendary + zeus duo actually decent. Needs a lot of resource tho

[zenith bolt]

my top 5 most hated enemies

1. hippos (oceanus bastards that run away and shoot homing shots at you from afar, then explode when they die)
2. blood-shades (i cannot stop getting hit by these)
3. numbskull (i think these use the wrong art in the codex, lol. teleporting skull dudes)
4. sop-spindle (that one room where there's like 30 of these traumatized me)
5. horned sheep in polyphemus fight ()

[spare kite]

The rats don't care about your cast

[dawn cape]

tartarus rats do at least also only hit for 1 and only show up if a satyr is allowed to breathe

[graceful nest]

Alright, thanks for the info

[quaint dawn]

i did find it weird how enemies with dash attacks can slip out of the cast

[tall notch]

I like Hestia on cast with the thing that causes explosions when scorched enemies die. Can get some nice chain reactions, especially with Oceanus fish

[white steppe]

i feel like minefield guy deserves ap lacement

[lost cave]

You forgot the whack-a-mole oceanus miniboss. Mr. whips-his-head

[zenith bolt]

these guys? https://i.imgur.com/RnZI2tD.png

[graceful nest]

I'm only on my like, 17th night, so I'm yet to learn what's strong lmao, I just know I use the blades for killing Chronos

[thin lantern]

okay, so, lmao. 40% chronos DOES feel legitimately easier than 0% chronos. what the hell

[white steppe]

the very same

[spare kite]

Which ones are blood shades again, the ones that do like a dash with pretty much inf range?

[zenith bolt]

these https://i.imgur.com/dEJil3U.png

[tired fulcrum]

Yes

[white steppe]

there's also the succ ghosts that saw you from across the entire map and make it their mission to displace you constantly until you kill them

[lost cave]

Tombstone with armor is really annoying too

[spare kite]

These dudes are so oppressive when armored

[zenith bolt]

bloat-shades

[tall notch]

Do you want some succ guy counter?

[thin lantern]

YES GOTTEM

[white steppe]

revenge boons?

[quaint dawn]

there is a counter to succ?

[thin lantern]

I will never put on 32 fear again.

[tall notch]

Yeah

[quaint dawn]

oh

[thin lantern]

I won with 0:52 on the clock with 7 min TD

[tall notch]

Succing makes them take revenge hits

[zenith bolt]

zeus finally gets his second W in this game

[lost cave]

Its pretty funny how epic zeus revenge just kills the suckys cause it can strike up to 4 times

[tall notch]

What was the first? Air quality?

[white steppe]

hey he has a few bangers, chain lightning, the cast and the uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[zenith bolt]

i was gonna say omega cast boon

[vestal bear]

Whoops sorry

[zenith bolt]

i dont take zeus enough to use air quality lo

[tall notch]

Zeus is a solid A-tier god, he's got some solid stuff

[tall notch]

Artemis, Hermes and Apollo/Aphro if you bring them along can fill out your air quality

[white steppe]

I feel like the people who suck off air quality scorch have some kind of unholy rng to get the setup consistently

[zenith bolt]

i think top 3 gods are poseidon, hera, apollo

[quaint dawn]

i like his global bolts. i play with panic a lot so it's a lot of free damage

[steep musk]

How would yall order these gods based on their boons
Poseidon
Apollo
Hephaestus
Aphrodite

[thin lantern]

@tall notch hilariously, I got it, but my last boon was coarse gritn't (5 earth grit kek)

[tall notch]

I'd put Demeter over Apollo

[dawn cape]

Wait, how does air quality interact with scorch, does it turn every 1 damage scorch conversion into 30 damage?

[zenith wigeon]

Hey folks, here to consult the ye ol council rq to ask what is the best weapon + best gods to go for a very speedy run

[lost cave]

Heph is at the bottom

[thin lantern]

amazingly, I had Toula and Skelly's defiances BOTH intact. somehow.

[zenith bolt]

poseidon > apollo > aphrodite > hephaestus
not that aphro or heph are bad, just pos and apollo are better

[mossy beacon]

I like aphro more than apolllo

[quaint dawn]

momus staff with poseidon

[steep musk]

yeah that's a fair assessment

[mossy beacon]

and double moonshot

[zenith wigeon]

I assume go for hammer special that sends out two shots that track the nearest enemy?

[tall notch]

Demeter is slept on. Did y'all know cyclone cast slows down projectiles?

[zenith bolt]

heph has the hard carry boon of trusty shield so he has my heart

[mossy beacon]

a harder to get alternative is aphrodite special with aphrodite+poseidon duo boon so all enemies are "close"

[slate pecan]

i actually learned this earlier today, didn't read carefully the first time

[zenith bolt]

also mint condition is goated

[spare kite]

Is trusty shield his prime boon?

[lost cave]

Yep all projectiles, I think (even chronos's whirly dirly)

[thin lantern]

y'know the problem with 32 fear is that some of the fears are not fun

[zenith bolt]

yeah, prime 30 to get armor each location

[spare kite]

Real

[white steppe]

heph looking down from olympus on your run like "damn thats crazy someone should help her with dealing damage"

[tall notch]

I miss extreme measures

[quaint dawn]

can any god other than demeter trigger origination alone?

[modern tangle]

What are the odds of getting a duo boon?

[thin lantern]

protip: trusty shield makes 300% damage first hit completely free for the rest of the run. if you can get it early enough to not burn defiances down to the ground

[zenith bolt]

me coping with heph + hestia duo like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1241268781825654784/hammer_time.mp4?ex=664b8f63&is=664a3de3&hm=376030ac7ca114f0d561af63af2af0b798e17966277c336631a6aeb3bd58d19e&

[tall notch]

Uuuuhhh I don't think so

[thin lantern]

It is literally what carried me to this win

Heph is hilarious. Bottom tier for super casual runs. S tier the harder you go

[quaint dawn]

i thought that aspect of demeter was a little op. at first i thought freeze was op but you lose a lot of damage with the freeze boons compared to the others in the late game

[signal robin]

put Zeus on the special. It’s a free blitz activation every time basically

[quaint dawn]

makes demeter very reliable

[tall notch]

Freeze is OP. Her cast is the best for builds that don't omega cast.

[lost cave]

Hells yea. Enjoy

[steep musk]

ill take her cast still

[thin lantern]

Imo, Heph gives the worst first impression because A) his core boons all need like 6 poms to be good, and B) you just do not need him... Until you absolutely 100% need him

[tall notch]

I'm trying to make fear 44 Eos happen and without demeter + heph I wouldn't even be able to attempt it

[thin lantern]

Heph kinda brute forces several fears

[steep musk]

i take him mostly for the secondary move dps and the armor damage

[thin lantern]

But all the stuff that breaks the game on his kit is utterly useless-looking or overkill on 0 fear.

[white steppe]

also none of his core boons change the visuals of your attacks which is very cringe

[steep musk]

and the actual armor

[quaint dawn]

does winter coat stop the 300% attack?

[thin lantern]

That's because WIP. Will be fixed

[quaint dawn]

or does the extra damage go to the next hit

[thin lantern]

Impervious does not count, which is why trusty shield and coarse grit are the only two things that ever negate it

[iron flame]

Does zeus legendary work on bosses or does anything if it triggers like instead of destroying them it just does some big damage

[zenith bolt]

you have to actually take damage

[thin lantern]

Correct. I tried the exact same thing and got blasted into next week

So yeah. Trusty shield at any rarity is an instant free... I think 5 fear?

[brittle prairie]

Almist anything but Heph's Attack/Special/Magick/Cast is incredible, its honestly quite impressive

[thin lantern]

Because then you can completely replace the +20/60/100? damage fear and basically have normal EHP for the entire run

[zenith bolt]

4 (2 + 2)

[thin lantern]

Oh, his magick is good too. 10% DR helps.

[tired fulcrum]

Armor also damage gates right

[white steppe]

the troll thing about heph is that you never wanna start with him but you absolutely want him in the pool, its like omega attack builds fishing for demeter for weed killer

[thin lantern]

Ah. Is the damage fear 4 or 5 at max

[zenith bolt]

5 (1 + 2 + 2)

[tall notch]

Heph is the new stubborn defiance. Playing no healing would be torture without him

[thin lantern]

Unless you're on 300% dmg and really want a trusty shield start like me, as insurance

[brittle prairie]

I see a lot of people trash on it, I personally like it with the 4 magick per second arcana, but Damage Reduction being multiplicative hurts a bit

[thin lantern]

Yeah the dude is literally just handing out a spare death defiance at high fear%

[zenith bolt]

now if they could just buff his attack/special boons

[brittle prairie]

Not sure why people hate on the 4 mana per secobdvrestoration

[zenith bolt]

bc 4 magick/s is actually kinda bad for 5 grasp

[quaint dawn]

5 grasp is a lot

[tall notch]

Issue is, it's a damage reduction boon and not a magic regen boon. An actual magic boon doesn't wanna rely on it and a 0 magic build probably runs huntress which regenerating your magic to full will disable

[brittle prairie]

on Torches maybe but most things can fit it in

[slate pecan]

it single handedly carried me through a lot of runs without a gain

[tired fulcrum]

Because it doesnt work if youre channeling

[thin lantern]

His magick is like B or A tier, his support boons are literally run carrying good (except armor shred which is just Sometimes Good)...

[tired fulcrum]

So you just hope for born gain and then its does nothing once you get it

[slate pecan]

for many builds that don't rely on spamming omega it's enough

[thin lantern]

Oh. Does Heph gain work on torch channel btw

[zenith bolt]

can't get the funny 10 rerolls with unseen and still have space for other things https://i.imgur.com/AblVGNN.png

[steep musk]

just figured out why people have trouble with auto aim, it isnt choosing targets based on the closest enemy to the precise angle your mouse is at from you, it's choosing based on actual proximity to your mouse.

[tall notch]

It does

[zenith bolt]

and most times i would say excellence is better anyway -3-

[thin lantern]

Ah, so it's a very distant jank seed pick 3 after pos

[thin lantern]

Huh. I usually hover over targets.

[brittle prairie]

yeah but comoared to say Strength? idk I find it a viable alternative quite often

[tall notch]

I'd take Demeter, Apollo and Hestia over him in that order

[thin lantern]

No wonder I never had trouble targeting on torches!

[steep musk]

yeah some just focus on attack angles instead of hovering over the actual enemy because it works the same either way

[thin lantern]

Hestia... Well, you do have to stop for that, I'm kinda 50/50 on it.

[zenith bolt]

i dont think people are arguing unseen vs strength that much. i think the argument is more unseen vs boatman or unseen vs excellence

[steep musk]

until you have a mob then you struggle to figure out why it's not aiming at the right one

[brittle prairie]

not everything is channeling constantly

[thin lantern]

The Moon is grossly overpriced though, like damn

[steep musk]

why demeter over apollo?

[tall notch]

It's not amazing but kiting for a bit or just getting mana between spawns/boss intermissions is more reliable than facetanking for heph

[zenith bolt]

the only real "always take" arcana are wayward son (this one is imo), titan, eternity, and lovers

[thin lantern]

Wait. Demeter magick? Uh... The literal worst one?

[tall notch]

The regen value is really high. High enough to top your mana when, say, Cerberus hides

[zenith bolt]

oh god not the demeter gain discussion for the third day in a row

[thin lantern]

It's high, but you have to hard stop moving for a full second, kill me

[steep musk]

i dont want to top off only at staggers lol

[tall notch]

For a build that does high burst with omegas I genuinely like it

[tired fulcrum]

Idk standing in my cast sounds a lot better than standing completely still doing approximately nothing

[steep musk]

i agree yep

[brittle prairie]

Id rather have Heph gain than a top off in very specifuc unimportant cicrumstances

[tall notch]

Idk maybe I'm just weird

But this game has A LOT of invulnerability phases or waiting for spawns

[brittle prairie]

it should refill your entire bar in a second too not just 30-40

[merry flint]

Urgh trying to do 20 heat axe is frustrating

[brittle prairie]

yeah but you kind of want magick gain during attack phases

[green jewel]

It’s not too bad a boon most of the time but for the times you absolutely need mana and are getting blasted by things it ruins your day

[steep musk]

ya

[thin lantern]

Chronos phase 2 40% is one where I just kinda feel like doing absolutely nothing is hell

[zenith bolt]

i always take: the wayward son, the titan, eternity, the lovers
i take if i can: the sorceress^, the huntress, the messenger, the furies, the swift runner^, the centaur, the champions
i take sometimes: the fates, the boatman, the seer, origination, the artificer, divinity, the queen
i never take: the unseen, death*, night, the moon, strength, judgment

*unless for divinity
^switches with the other depending on what i'm playing

[thin lantern]

It's fine on Cerb, sure. Phase 1 Chronos has a lot of free time. Eris? Instant suicide, although she may be nerfed... Polyphemus is at least possible due to his phase shift

[green wren]

chronos phase 2 feels like a transition phase to be honest

[thin lantern]

I like The Unseen, personally. I always forget to use rerolls lul

[green wren]

rather than an actual second phase (no extreme measures yet hehe)

[steep musk]

i am loving smithy sprint rn. 300 damage for 10 magick and i have chaos giving me back 14.5 magick /s

[tall notch]

You could chill behind a pillar and top mana

[steep musk]

which one of these has a pillar??

[zenith bolt]

eris

[steep musk]

i never noticed any

[zenith bolt]

there's two

[green wren]

the big apple statues

[tall notch]

Chronos p2 feels like I'm in a world of warcraft mythic raid. The overlaps get hilarious

[green wren]

yeah thats what i mean when it feels like a transition phase rather than second phase

[zenith bolt]

chronos p2 basically just has 2 different types of attacks: attacks that come from chronos and attacks that come from the arena

[green wren]

like if your tping me to your domain it should be a tougher fight not justdance

[zenith bolt]

and honestly i think i have more trouble with the latter atp

[green wren]

hes on his phone half the time

[steep musk]

i love the environmental attacks that's the coolest part

[zenith bolt]

dw EM chronos gonna combo the time slow with an instakill

[green wren]

he does that already hehe (feature)

[zenith bolt]

ive never seen him do that

the most instakill jank i've seen is uhh lemme find the image

https://i.imgur.com/zfSAXX7.png

[green wren]

insta cast the timebubbles on top of me during his tp around then insta kill me

the jankest was when i killed his phase one during his vacuum attack and he killed me in the dialogue because he insta turnrated

[spare kite]

Yeah vacuum attack is a no no when phasing him

[zenith bolt]

which sucks because it's a huge damage opening

[green wren]

whos best for medea ?

[zenith bolt]

i usually go aphro

[narrow mirage]

Are there non-Greek aspects in this version?

[tall notch]

He did it to me once

[tired fulcrum]

Not yet

Yeah chronos can already do that

[wind lake]

https://imgur.com/a/vB1PYTy

https://tenor.com/view/minion-laugh-gif-26377474

[zenith bolt]

wtf are these choices on medea https://i.imgur.com/DFwynmn.png

[signal robin]

aspect of Medea with aphro attack and Zeus special one shots hippos this is so op

[wind lake]

see above minion laugh

[fathom marsh]

How often does scorch do damage? It seems really good with air quality but I couldn't tell exactly what was happening

[brittle prairie]

10 damage every .25 seconds

woth air quality the damage triple per tick to 30

while seemingly only depleting 10 from the scorch damage pool

[slate pecan]

sounds busted

[brittle prairie]

It is

turns hestia attack/special from mediocre to god tier in an instant

just takes a lot of investment to achieve

[tall notch]

I swear it's even harder to piece together than merciful end from Hades 1

[slate pecan]

so far i've only liked scorch with a quick weapon and fire extinguisher
how would that boon affect this build? i wonder if it would be a downgrade since with air quality you probably want to keep the scorch up

[brittle prairie]

Fore extinguisher may be detrimental to it

Could result in more damahe maybe if you can always keep the scorch up

but seems higher maintenance

[steel sequoia]

i like scorch cast

[tall notch]

Extinguisher is a liability for aq I believe. Part of what makes the build good is that it keeps going when you have no uptime

[dim fable]

man, why is torch last testament 24 fear

[tall notch]

Because it's the strongest weapon

[brittle prairie]

Cause EoS is goated

[slate pecan]

so is sister blades', i think
since the patch

[tall notch]

The Eos cult is taking the discord over

Who even is Eos? I don't know Greek mythology that well

[spare kite]

Hades if it was a gacha game:
(End of service joke)

[spare kite]

The only thing I know is that Aphro had something to do with them iirc

[zenith bolt]

goddess/personification of dawn

selene is to the moon what eos is to dawn

[tall notch]

explains why passion dash goes so hard on Eos torches

[hollow stag]

Is Demeter’s 1 time shield bugged in that it goes away from non damaging stun attacks, or is that intended?

[wind lake]

stun attacks count yeah it seems intended

[tall notch]

It sounds consistent with the way revenge boons work with those

[wind lake]

the breath suck in also trigger all revenge attacks

[hollow stag]

That’s a bummer. Demeter shield won’t last long no matter how good your dodging is.

[wind lake]

also how do i use artificer, i have rerolls and rerolling doesnt make it a major find

[acoustic pier]

for people who played H1 early access: how much were boons tuned across updates?

[zenith bolt]

when you get a minor find (like ashes, psyche, etc.) you can press a button before picking it up to turn it into a major find

[wind lake]

oh i see. theres an option when you pick up the resource.

i pick it up nary before it even appears ty

[zenith bolt]

yeah it took me a bit of time to figure that out myself

[acoustic pier]

because as it is now it feels like every weapon just wants Poseidon if it's low speed or Aphrodite (maybe Hera) if it's high damage

[hollow stag]

I tested Double Up boon Interaction with Artificer arcana. It doesn’t get you 6 major finds, just at most 3.

You can transform the second copy of the minor find from Double Up into a major find though.

[calm maple]

has animation cancelling been explored yet? I was messing around with the axe and found some interesting stuff.

[zenith bolt]

crazy hp pre-hecate https://i.imgur.com/xIdISKF.png

[spare kite]

Soul boon from chaos? Or a million centaur hearts

[zenith bolt]

like 3 centaur hearts + i got plentiful forage (shovel supremacy)

[hollow stag]

That’s 10% extra damage for Aphro boon

[civic ocean]

Highest I ever got was 700

[civic ocean]

So double up cannot double up things artificer transforms?

[hollow stag]

Someone claimed they did ( I think). Maybe I’m doing the steps wrong.

[zenith bolt]

oh my god if the thing from i think upgraded shovel happens (where you get two of a resource you pick up by hand), it counts twice for plentiful forage

[civic ocean]

It does yes

[zenith bolt]

that's fun

[civic ocean]

1k hp should be possible

[wintry tree]

252 full health, two death defiances and skelly’s tooth fully lvled up and 76% resistance and I still couldn’t beat chronos 🥲

[steel sequoia]

looks like theres no dmg you saying this

[wintry tree]

Even knowing about the insta kill shot, i didn’t realize there were two different ones

[civic ocean]

I dunno about optimal but I think there's workable builds for every god on every weapon atm.

Poseidon is SSS tier and Hera is S tier, but I think every other god is in A tier due to how the god boon mechanics work

[steel sequoia]

we are still on FAQ: - play momus - fish for bones - hera+poseidon - its a bug.

[civic ocean]

I would say play anything except Momus right

[steel sequoia]

yeah, thats not accurate but its funny

[civic ocean]

Unless it's super important that you get the 32 fear statue

[steel sequoia]

lmao i barely get 12, im bad

[civic ocean]

I think just about anyone couod get Momus Poseidon over 32 if they try

[steel sequoia]

tbh yup, in a good run its possible even for a casual player

[civic ocean]

Eventually you just hit double moonshot and it's 90% favored for the player I feel

But I think it's like really bad habit forming, you don't really learn enemy patterns or positioning you just stand back and tap the special button

[acoustic pier]

is momus really the problem? the additional damage is rarely relevant, the problem is posiedon.

[civic ocean]

The addition damage is super relevant because it is power, not damage

[acoustic pier]

momus just happens to be marginally the most efficient with poseidon.

[steel sequoia]

its flat dmg so the % go BRRRR

[civic ocean]

It's also the most efficient with everything else

[acoustic pier]

but posiedon is flat damage and scales with it less, and even with the additional damage it's still suboptimal to go anythign but posiedon.

[civic ocean]

Well you get other damage increases is the point, like slip and such

[acoustic pier]

true

[civic ocean]

But even if Poseidon wasn't in the game Momus would still be the best weapon aspect at 32 by a mile

[acoustic pier]

pan is pretty crazy idk

[civic ocean]

If you take a Hera boon for 60% increase on your regular staff special they do 16, on Momus they do 64 - the boon adds 4 times as much damage!

[steel sequoia]

i mean even without poseidon if you get doublemoonshot the momus is good itself, with poseidon is dumb dmg

[civic ocean]

Just Huntress + Momus is 60 damage

Poseidon also has the added benefit of wave clear

[acoustic pier]

pan + hook knives does some pretty crazy dps

[civic ocean]

Yes, Pan is 2nd

[steel sequoia]

never tried Spiteful Strength in momus tho, should be fun

[civic ocean]

Very

You can start heph on attack for waveclear and erebus solve

[steel sequoia]

might be trying sometime bc i need the soft caress duo

[steep musk]

does concentrated flurry keep adding +5 power across instances of the special? or is it just +5 +10 +15 +20 then next shot on the same enemy will be +5 again

+4*

[zenith bolt]

it's per-special

[spare kite]

I wonder if with enough special and channel speed you could do the chiron + conc volley thing again

Prob not but it'd be funny if they forgot thag

[zenith bolt]

i mean boundless flurry makes you channel almost instantly

[wind lake]

https://imgur.com/a/Zl9xUKf

hera in tartarus goes hard

they also chose my attack boon to become heroic

[honest lodge]

dang, 40%

with momus you could literally always go into the next room at 100% lol

[calm maple]

the axe's special opens up a LOT of possibilities

[steel sequoia]

yall have so much fun till this happens https://postimg.cc/RN7ML30d

[wind lake]

im using mel staff rn, because i really enjoy the way omega attack plays

12 fear so not really high fear but i have armor dash so minibosses just instantly die, which is always nice

[slate pecan]

what's a recommended build/strat for thanatos? spin2win?

[zenith bolt]

2nd selene start in a row, im gonna ucking cry

[honest lodge]

oh yeah, mel is good for sure. I was just saying how wild it'd be on a momus run

[steep musk]

fated persuasion:

[mossy beacon]

what would yall say is the best torch aspect?

[zenith bolt]

you can't reroll selene into something else though ??

[steel sequoia]

aphro

and demeter depending on the build

[zenith bolt]

like this is room 1, that's what i mean by "start"

[honest lodge]

eos probs

[wind lake]

depends on if you want orbies or scary ghosts

[mossy beacon]

I cant unlock aphro rn

[wind lake]

both are viable imo

[steel sequoia]

i mean the gods

[mossy beacon]

ig i got eos

[steel sequoia]

aphro for melinoe and demeter for eos

dont think anyone likes moros that much

[steep musk]

oh :( i forgot

[steel sequoia]

can you reroll the first boon?

[zenith bolt]

i literally just said you can't

[steel sequoia]

yeah, i thought so

[honest lodge]

which aspect is used for the orbies?

[steel sequoia]

melinoe aspect, is special focused

[wind lake]

mel is the only one that buffs orbies, its not that much of a buff but its better than nothing

[steel sequoia]

the others 2 are attack

[zenith bolt]

cursed rng this run, no flutter strike for all of erebus and i got like 3 different aphro boons

[civic ocean]

Thats kinda hard to do with the boon burner

[zenith bolt]

im not doing fear runs rn, just grinding keepsakes

[steel sequoia]

i thought this burn was only for the 1st boon and than i got surprised toasted in many runs by it

[verbal lark]

What do you all think about the Judgement arcana? I am kinda flipping back and forth between "It's OP" and "It's Garbage"

[zenith bolt]

it's bad

[civic ocean]

It's for fun runs but not serious at high fear

[steel sequoia]

its cool, but punishing, and u cant do eris with it

[spare kite]

Is fun

[zenith bolt]

erebus is the hardest part of higher fear runs and it makes erebus harder

[verbal lark]

I'm considering the fully leveled one btw, under that it's obviously bad

[civic ocean]

Yeah same

I think for most discussion of things we're talking maximum output

[wind lake]

man i love staff omega attack

it procs my bow reflex from the original game

and i shred everything

[mortal wadi]

Joined the discord cause I have an important question concerning zorephet, marauder slash, hell splitter or melting shredder? Using rank 4 aspect of Melinoe

[civic ocean]

My hope is that Circe or Momus are reworked around that attack

Maybe remove the power from the base special but make the omega special like 100 power

Or like 60

[wind lake]

yeah

https://imgur.com/a/qz70IE7

my omega build, crits did 1.9k

[thin lantern]

Hell yeah brother

[verbal lark]

This build also slaps on the arty blades

[wind lake]

im so sad i didnt get the both attacks strike forwards

[thin lantern]

Can someone make an amogus png but with momus, so we can have :amomus:

[wind lake]

wouldve gotten nearly 5k on crits with that :(

another day, another day.

but demeter boosting omega attack is my new best friend, for sure.

[onyx rain]

Is there a way to hit the dragons in water with the medea aspect of the skull ? I can't charge on them so I'm kinda waiting awkwardly next to them until my attack explodes

[thin lantern]

Double moonshot should be an omega special hammer. Change my mind.

[spare kite]

Is a common feedback issue sadly

[wind lake]

also wait, im noticing i have the vierophant in my damage but i didnt get hit by them once and they died in 2 seconds

[civic ocean]

You can extend the charge across gaps, use omega casts, or stand next to him and let the bombs go off

[wind lake]

wierd

[verbal lark]

Is there any aspect that empowers cast builds besides Charon Axe?

[civic ocean]

Than Axe, Persephone Skull, Melinoe Staff as well IIRC

[thin lantern]

Persephone seems to buff all omega, circe prints magick, mel staff speed?

Than axe yeah, maybe arty blades

[steel sequoia]

question, you need to reach glory cap to get the 5s buff or its always on?

[verbal lark]

Huh? Persephones description only mentions Omega Special

[civic ocean]

It increments up to 5, so at like 20% fulls its 1

[civic ocean]

Persephone passively buffs all omega damage

[verbal lark]

Oh wait

[zenith bolt]

glory meter gives you up to 5s bonus time on omega special
you can spend glory before the meter is completely filled but you won't get all the time bonus

[verbal lark]

Yeah I see it

[tender flint]

i still cant win with the staff 😭

there to many enemies with armor that it just isnt good at clearing for 32

[thin lantern]

Tbh. Glory meter spend at the minimum is really good imo

[verbal lark]

Double Moonshot Poseidon is a bit busted

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml# read the guide doonk its v easy

[thin lantern]

As an abysmal cheeselord, I actually won my 32 momus with a heph start, lmao

Anything that lets you guarantee trusty shield to replace +damage fear with first hit fear is ggwp

[civic ocean]

Me too I think if Momus still gives power and poseidon is nerfed that Antler + Spiteful Strength is gonna be OP

[tender flint]

its not even that i dont see its broken I literal dont get boons I got 2 boons total last round and had to gamble on echo giving me slip which i won but i had three boons total with barely any poms its just rng

[civic ocean]

I would love to see a screenshot where you're at echo with 2 boons are you taking onion or smth

[tender flint]

no

[thin lantern]

no, I got heph, pos, dem, and some memey apollo that didn't REALLY help beyond daze spam

[tender flint]

ill show you

[civic ocean]

That's like literally not possible if you take a god keepsake unlesd you're doing it on purpose

[tender flint]

im not

my bad i also forgot i had a hermes so 4 boons https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1241854487778426931/20240519134527_1.jpg?ex=664bb69e&is=664a651e&hm=e870a572a8a293b18264686c7e0d256f584a18711aef0ae7b758d1886cc47bd1&

[zenith bolt]

mint condition + winter coat + the lovers... i am not taking damage on bosses

or anywhere, really

[tender flint]

literally 4 boons entire run 2 that dont do anything for the build

this has been all my momus runs

[wind lake]

damnnnnnnn

[civic ocean]

That looks like pretty much everything you need to win

[tender flint]

i didnt get priveleged status till echo and i didnt have another curse i had an attack hammer and no shimmering moonshot or doublemoonshot

[honest lodge]

I just did a no heat run to farm some stuff and I only got like a half dozen boons

[thin lantern]

dayum, fishing is busted for 🅱️ones tbh

[civic ocean]

You should still be able to clear fairly comfortably with antler, wave flourish, huntress and the momus base power

[zenith bolt]

meanwhile my average boons in a run https://i.imgur.com/1wv8sPi.png

[tender flint]

BRU

[thin lantern]

need more poppies tho.

[zenith bolt]

like even if you discount the path of stars and dark thirst i still have like 14+ boons

[tender flint]

maybe its the fear cuase the armor enemies are the killer they dont get pushed back and there is to many for me to handle with it

[civic ocean]

Show me your arcana and fear

[tender flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1241855550887694406/20240519135019_1.jpg?ex=664bb79b&is=664a661b&hm=80fc507ce10e24384c6226a88aa022a258e7a716e3b2c03031e086b9e405b942&

[honest lodge]

are you dropping cast to slow them?

[tender flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1241855741761949816/20240519135056_1.jpg?ex=664bb7c9&is=664a6649&hm=56f59e21f116eefa3c6a293f24d925c702f9f34a86ab9cc2f61591e637159590&

[tender flint]

yep i get rooms with over thirty armor enemies and the cast dont last im trying to get hera cast now since it lasts the longest and it helps a little

[honest lodge]

could try hestia cast with the boon for scorch does more damage to armor. soften them up

[thin lantern]

Hey, did they remove the use limit on pet gathers?

[tender flint]

maybe anything

[civic ocean]

Okay so first things first, let's turn off The Moon, which we will literally never use, and turn on The Fates so we actually have some rerolls

[honest lodge]

also worth noting that the duo for pos and hestia is really solid

[civic ocean]

Secondly, this is a completely horrendous fear setup

The first hit you take each floor is dealing you 400% damage

[tender flint]

yeah someone recommended

[green wren]

godmode enjoyer ?

[tender flint]

it aint to bad and gets white antler active

[civic ocean]

You can get white antler active by removing the titan arcana and turning scars to max

I do not think anyone ever plays 32 Fear with the 400% damage fear turned on

[thin lantern]

I did, but ONLY with Trusty Shield. Anything else is a death sentence.

[civic ocean]

Go read the link I posted. Follow the arcana list and fear list. Trust me

You're missing like 6-8 free fear here

[green wren]

how far up is the link/?

[tender flint]

k

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml# I don't want to spam it too much because its self promo technically

[verbal lark]

Does the Hephy Appollo duo affect smithy sprint?

[honest lodge]

I think it affects all the hephsplosions...

[civic ocean]

It should yeah

[verbal lark]

Well then, I know what I'm going for

[honest lodge]

yeah it's worded your "blast effects from Heph" so it should

[zenith bolt]

love wins https://i.imgur.com/iqFLWdo.png