h2-builds-and-combat

[gritty oasis]

you might get that sweet heroic rarity boon you very much want

[uncut wren]

I don't even know what I should be going after tbh. The only build I made it to Chronos with was a dagger build that had the 50% hammer special boon and a cast boon...Hades 1 building was a little more...straightforward.

I mean it took me 30 runs to beat dad, so i'm not expecting clears every time here, but sheesh. I've gotten to bosses several times with basically nothing on cast/attack/special.

[timber pawn]

two selene starts in a row for my 32 heat flames attempts, I'm losing my mind lol

[white bone]

most reliable thing ive found if you are stuck is to take twin blades and the axe, then on the first floor take aphrodite main attack and upgrade it if u can and the rest of the run will seem weirdly easy if you use your omega attacks

i also like apollo on the axe for the surface is very strong

[white steppe]

god bless the chaos trials for that, i can go choke on a hermes staff run and then my seed's reset

[uncut wren]

idk maybe it's just me, but I feel like boon distribution is a little out of wack vs Hades 1 where you pretty much knew you'd have the foundations of a run set after the first couple of rooms. But could just be early first impressions. I've so many clears in 1 now I forget how weak you start.

[tall notch]

Maxxed out arcana has setups that let you really target builds with the amount of rerolls you get

[ionic lily]

you'll get the hang of it after awhile and you know which boons/gods to go for

[timber pawn]

can poms be rerolled into boon rooms? No right?

[spare kite]

It can

[mystic bison]

I agree that rng can be horrible (I fought the final boss with no attack boon in one of my early runs), however 12 runs is nothing - your priority rn is to unlock all the god keepsakes and arcana cards (some of which give you the option to reroll boons) all of which makes it easier to play the system in your favour

[uncut wren]

So many ash/psyc choices....and I've only one reroll. lol.

[spare kite]

No dark foresight moment

[mystic bison]

Tbf Hades 1 is also like that without Dark Foresight

[spare kite]

Nectar feels so common w/o foresight lmao (but also the extra core with priority is annoying)

[uncut wren]

As I said, I've so many clears in 1 I probably forget how weak you start. lol

[mystic bison]

But ash/psyche is actually good for you now, you should focus on that

You are only 12 runs in, unlocking stuff should be your priority

[uncut wren]

I'm just sick of like..getting to sirens with basically a boonless run.

[mystic bison]

To be fair fresh file or no Hades 1 is definitely an easier game

[steel sequoia]

ash is good cause you call sis

[uncut wren]

Different to be sure. My main strat in 1 was the dash strike. It's been gimped hard here, so i'm pretty much relearning how to play.

[spare kite]

Oh yeah biggest change for sure lol
I'm glad

[steel sequoia]

sometimes u just have to get a bad common attack/special to save time to change it in the future or abandon for the main build.

[mystic bison]

The issue here is that the boon pool in Hades 2 is way bigger but gods still offer you only 3 boons, that is not balanced in my opinion

[uncut wren]

This. Many time I'll be getting lots of boons.....but they're all support boons.

[steel sequoia]

like no problem to get a common attack in a PAN run

[versed escarp]

do you need to die to reset seed? or can you do sth else

[steel sequoia]

a lot of runs i get an epic/heroic after the cerberus

[spare kite]

Win

[mystic bison]

It also feels like in Hades 1 core boons were aggressively shoved down your way until you fill them up, way more than they are here

But as I said, when you unlock more stuff this will become almost a non issue

Early game is rough I agree

[spare kite]

You still have 1 slot being a guaranteed core until they are filled in I think

[uncut wren]

That too. You usually had a solid foundation in the first few rooms. You'd generally spend the rest of the run hunting down duos or things to perfect it.

[valid canyon]

Speaking of duos which gods have you found have the best synergy so far

In hades 1 I felt like clumps of gods went really well together, in this one I’m not so sure other than ||hera|| and Aphrodite

[uncut wren]

I also miss tidal dash (yes I know about the sprint, but there's a mana cost, and it doesn't feel as good as tidal dash did imo) lol.

[pure hull]

I think from the beginning but definitely from Oceanus onwards, HP and armor are just way too high. I remember the joys of watching my nascent build start to wreck house early on in Hades 1, up to clearing Styx rooms in mere seconds. Hades 2 does the opposite, where even if your build is good/lucky, you spend most of your time going Hoo Hah Yahh x20 at stunlocked tank enemies, and it only gets more monotonous as you advance. I gave it time because I know arcana and new weapons are the permanent buffs that make you hit harder in midgame, but from beginning to end, I just feel like this kite and poke cycle doesn't work as good.

I totally get the switch-up from melee focus to spellcaster - I love that- but spellcasters are supposed to melt enemies faster than melee. That's the tradeoff. Squishy keepaway is supposed to be a glass cannon. We got the glass, now give us the cannon.

[distant root]

what arcana cards should i prioritize upgrading?

already done swift runner and titan

[jovial river]

Death defiances

[hoary wedge]

is twin blades testament night's will thiingy bug fixed?

[timber pawn]

just threw my run by grabbing apollo legendary before chronos instead of aph-apollo duo RIP

[timber pawn]

seems to be, yes

[hoary wedge]

ty!

[stone pilot]

Death defiance and mana recharge

[small canopy]

Revaal and Ygnium, I just don’t understand the feel of them. Like they put out damage I guess but it feels like having a new set of hands, it doesn’t feel like I’m using them right

[dark whale]

best skulls build?

[primal kiln]

How are people upgrading Boons straight to Heroic/Legendary?

[faint shale]

There is a keepsake that upgrades a common boon to heroic when you use the fountain

[primal kiln]

Which one?

[faint shale]

Narcissus'

[primal kiln]

Do you need it Maxxed out? I have it, but have never used it yet....

I think it only upgrades to rare atm

[faint shale]

Yes, level 1 would only turn it into rare, level 2 turns it into epic, level 3 turns it heroic

[primal kiln]

Ahh, okie...going tohave to level that one next : ) I have like 6 at 3 star atm

[spare kite]

God keepsakes at max also can do epic > heroic (divinity card helps for this)
Demeter as always has rare crop (common to heroic) and hera has the opposite (heroic to common)

[primal kiln]

Yeah the Hera Boon is great if you get it in the laast section of your run

[jovial river]

I usually take a god keepsake into the first biome, then if I get a rare or epic boon I’ll upgrade the rarity, if it’s common I’ll wait and avoid other commons and then upgrade it with Phial after the boss

That way my main boon is always at least epic (after the first biome)

[glossy rivet]

Tartarus coarse grit lets gooo

[sullen void]

not sure if this is a bug or intended behaviour, there's a boon you can get from circe on the surface route that says it boosts your animal familiar abilities by 100% (chant to the bewitched). Even with healing decreased to 50% on 32 fear, it healed mel from sub 30% hp to 100% with the max hp increased (thanks to frinos) which helped me get the 32 fear run, but was a bit more helpful than what i expected

[faint shale]

3 nightmares away from maxing all weapons. Still gotta do the testaments for the torches and skulls

[vestal flicker]

anyone know if the huntress still works if all your magick is primed?

[brisk geyser]

cant say for sure but i'd assume so

[spare kite]

No

[brisk geyser]

[vestal flicker]

thank you for letting me know i thought so but wanted to make sure

[brisk geyser]

testaments done, is it time for 32/55 fear, or chilling and farming nightmare/duo boons?

[tall notch]

The interaction of huntress and having all your mana primed hurts my head. I tested it and know what it does, but how would you calculate the percentage? The calculation would involve division by 0

[timber pawn]

I almost got my 32 heat eos done but I picked Apollo legendary instead of Apollo aphro duo. And I had born gain, so i bricked my mp after half of p1

[tall notch]

Would've definitely been a win if you took the duo, it outputs more damage on Eos if you are spamming omega attacks

[marsh lily]

Has anyone had any good runs with Ygnium? Tried them once, didn't really find much success

[jovial river]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[marsh lily]

Whoa...

[topaz lotus]

skull/mel aspect with zeus attack, hephaestus special is now my go to for easy clears. I have stayed away from guides and hints. What are your go to builds?

[civic ocean]

Torches seem like Aphrodite's weapon atm

[steel sequoia]

FAQ: - play momus - fish for bones - hera+poseidon - its a bug.

[civic ocean]

Cmon I gotta get AQ Scorch into the FAQ

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M91FJmPktw

[timber pawn]

Unfortunate learning experience for sure

[rain hazel]

I cant entirely tell, for Medea does the attack proc if I hit a enemy with my special?

Oh nvm, that seems to be the case. Just maybe not with the omega special

[wind kettle]

ok chat, how do i build charon axe?

[faint shale]

im still trying to figure them out. Maybe its a skill issue but i find myself often attacking the wrong target while trying to stagger another

Maybe its just a keyboard and mouse weapon

[spare kite]

It should work, tho the time between loading the cast and charging up the Ω special is tight, so they probably explode before you hit them

[rain hazel]

Yeah just noticed omega does as well, seem to be doing it consistently but maybe theyre just close enough its working out

[tall notch]

Good positioning and mob control in rooms seem to be the key to making sure autoaim doesn't screw you over. If they're all nicely stacked up, they'll all tkae the damage. Alternatively you can play it melee with passion dash

My first few runs with torches I also felt like I was fighting the autoaim lol

[spare kite]

Aim at cursor sounds like it would be great at torches

[unborn pollen]

Ok Everyone I suck at making builds I only found a good one with the skull, does anyone have any hood buiods for the other weapons? (Minus the torches bc they are sooooo boribg imo )

[faint shale]

I tried to make an axe build yesterday, i only gave it one attempt. It was with thanatos aspect, aphro attack, demeter weed killer, and apollo magick restore. I tried to get the apollo legendary but i didnt find it in time

[stoic ridge]

poseidon on staff special is currently meta, getting the hestia duo boon with him is absurd

[faint shale]

When you get double moonshot hammer on momus staff with the poseidon special the round turns into easy mode thats the build ive been doing to farm some nightmares in last shop

[unborn pollen]

Ok sweet do you onow what the boon is actualtl called ? And ngl I beat the game and Idek who hestia is can you plz explain like thier ability and I’m sure I’ll know after

[jovial river]

Yep same

[stoic ridge]

how did you beat the game without hestia?

[civic ocean]

Wave Flourish, Hestia is fire god

[stoic ridge]

you meet her pretty early on

[sand escarp]

Anybody know if Hard Target Effects chronos?

[tall notch]

It does feel good, but I don't think it's good enough to justify wasd movement

[unborn pollen]

No I do know who she is I jsut didn’t know the name! Hestia is scorch on

[stoic ridge]

oh lmao

[unborn pollen]

Ok sweet ! I should try that rn I tried to make my own staff build and got close to beating the last boss but I only managed to beat it with skull atm !

[unborn pollen]

Ok so wave flourish and then choose fire god and hope I get a duo boon later in run?

[civic ocean]

No, here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml go to the momus poseidon section

[unborn pollen]

Ok tysm everyone!

[strong cloak]

what's the best aspect for umbral flames?

[mental sluice]

After you unlock the ability to see the boons in the book, do you need to keep giving nectar to see what the requirements are for the duos and legendaries?

[civic ocean]

I don't remember, but I think after can see the boons it's either there, or it's another incantation

[spare kite]

Shouldn't need

[mental sluice]

Thanks, so it might just be bugged for me then?

[civic ocean]

Might be, what are you seeing when you hover over Brave Face in the boon book?

also am I crazy or does Local Climate not increase the Omega cast damage, just the regular cast damage? Surely that's just a typo right

[spare kite]

There's a button at the bottom that says "offerings" iirc, to turn on requisites

[mental sluice]

The side panel for each boon in the book is blank. Ah interesting, maybe I just missed the button, I'll look for it on the next playthrough, thanks.

[mental sluice]

Doesn't only the omega cast deal damage? Do cast damage modifiers affect the damage boons give (e.g. Zeus's lightning or Apollo's light)?

I've had a couple of odd interactions with Local Climate so I've stopped taking it.

[night pier]

I think that Moros is the best aspect for torches. I usually use Apollo or Aphrodite for my specials and attacks. If you use your Omega special and start using your attack the ghosts explode right next to you. You can also dash while you're using your attack and you can keep firing. The only bad thing about Moros is that the ghosts don't pass through each other after a little while.

[civic ocean]

Demeter, Hestia, and Heph all have casts that deal dmg

[strong cloak]

Ok cool! I'm using it rn

[spare kite]

Can it be that it just increases the Ω cast explosion?

[red ingot]

ive made a mistake and im paying for it, i got the zeus magick boon, and the prime 50 for lightning strikes, and now i dont have Ω access 💀, and i have a selene boon to top it off that i can never use, oh and im playing staff

[civic ocean]

IDK yet I'm about to try and push Than Axe to full omega cast build

[tall notch]

Zeus cast is amazing on that thing!!

[civic ocean]

We're going Demeter+Apollo+Zeus

angling for Glorious Disaster + Torrential Downpour + Lucid Gain + Local Climate + Than Crits + fourth god angle for Coarse Grit

[night pier]

Poseidon would also be a good choice, you really want to stop bad guys from getting close to you. If you can get Zeus's chain lightning attack boon the build goes hard.

[distant root]

anyone know what a fear 16 setup should look like?

[civic ocean]

This is exactly 16 fear:

Destitution II
Scars II
Wandering II
Forsaking
Arrogance II
Desperation II

[distant root]

ty!

[wind lake]

are god keepsakes first really that viable, ive had 3 runs where ive used the god keepsake and gotten one of the gods boons that ended because they gave really bad boon options

and my damage just sucked real bad

i suppose its better if you get what you want since you can upgrade it, but theres alot of chance involved

[cursive knot]

? Yeah its way better than never getting the god in the first place

[civic ocean]

Duos and Legendaries and Infusions are all build-around strong and there's only a 3 god pool compared to 4 in Hades 1 so yeah it's really important to take god keepsakes early

[cursive knot]

Also bring rerolls if you want consistency

[wind lake]

well im comparing it vs, just going with whatever the game gives you for damage since theres so many options

rather than hard focusing one god and resetting when the game gives you bad luck with them

[ionic lily]

Why do you need to hard reset over the first boon?

[civic ocean]

no rerolls prob

[wind lake]

not just the first boon, went the entire of erebus without a good damage boon

[cursive knot]

How many rerolls do you bring

[wind lake]

and got to scylla still with no damage boons from the god i wanted

[ionic lily]

Using the keepsake means that you introduced the god into your god pools, even if your first boon isnt good, it means you'll get more of that god later on

[wind lake]

i guess i need to sack more grasp for rerolls?

[tall notch]

Even if they give you garbage boons on the first selection, that already locks the-- Caerulo beat me to it

[wind lake]

yeah it doesnt really seem like it

i got 5 heph boons that run and 2 aphro, with aphro tier 3 the whole time from beggining to scylla

its probably just bad rng?

[cursive knot]

If you want a certain boon for your build using the keepsake is by far the best way to get it consistently rather than just hoping you get the right gods

[civic ocean]

the bottom left corner of the arcana space is the most powerful arcana in the game I think

[cursive knot]

Especially when with certain weapons there are a couple gods that work way better than others

[wind lake]

ive been using the bottom right for rarity increase, especially the 10% duo

[stray fog]

Hey if I were to record the fight in my next attempt where I reach Chronos can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong 🤣 I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall repeatedly. Ive made it like ten times and can't get past this.

[civic ocean]

sure

[cursive knot]

Good luck

[civic ocean]

I feel like Excellence is actively bad at high Fear atm

[wind lake]

the best tip is to stand slightly in front of them and dodge through them and off to their side since none of their attacks can hit you when you do that

[wind lake]

i would send a ss of my arcana build but no ss in this channel. Maybe i just drop the rarity ones and go for rerolls since that has a pseudo effect thats similar, i suppose?

[civic ocean]

if you turn on Vow of Forsaking you can kinda just get duos and legendaries that way if you know what you're looking for

[wind lake]

oh is that what that vow means?

[tall notch]

I don't think I'll ever get to run that duo thing, all of the 2-cost arcanas are too good not to run them

[wind lake]

ive managed to get it, ive given up health regen for it though

[timber pawn]

Vow refers to the different fear options

[spare kite]

Yeah forsaking + rerolls gets you duos anyways

[wind lake]

yeah i know, i think i misunderstood what that one did

[chilly dagger]

Do we have a weapons and aspects tier list?

[tall notch]

Pretty much any build I run wants the furies, +40 health and mana and the shield that absorbs a few hits on every boss

[civic ocean]

I cut furies for Artificer atm but Furies is really good

especially earlygame

[wind lake]

yeah i have titan huntress sorceress unseen lovers swift eternity centaur moon strength queen divinity rn

[tall notch]

Furies is just free damage because how fast the new cast is to throw out

[wind lake]

im in the middle of a run what does furies do again

[tall notch]

Increased damage on enemies inside of your cast

[wind lake]

Ah yeah, thats one thing i need to work on, i almost never throw down my cast

had the same problem in hades 1 unless i had a cast build

[tall notch]

Like torches can literally throw out the cast whenver during attack channel and won't even interrupt your omega, it's amazing

Try rebinding it to a button that's pressed with a different finger than your attack, makes throwning in casts during other stuff so much more convenient

[cursive knot]

Torches make me want to rebind stuff

[wind lake]

ive never thought about rebinding

[tall notch]

I'm playing dash left trigger and cast right trigger, feels amazing

[cursive knot]

I only did it in h1 for hestia rail reloading

[wind lake]

but i know from staff with momus its so irritating that autofire doesnt work, does rebinding work for that?

[clear pilot]

With the diclosure that I am very bad: I too have bound the dash to the left trigger, and I also love it.

[tall notch]

Left trigger dash gang ❤️

[wind lake]

i may get crucified for this but im on pc and prefer that control scheme

[cursive knot]

Whatever works best for you

[tall notch]

In Hades 1 I wanted the attack and dash right next to each other so that my thumb could press down on both for dash strike spam, but with the whole sprint mechanic rebinding felt natural

[inland pumice]

Okay if I want to run the base torches aspect, what's the best hammer/boon combos to go for?

I really want to try and make base torches work, anybody have any advice for these things?

[distant root]

aspect of eos, use hera attack, aphrodite dash and born gain, a hera boon that primes your mana

[cunning jetty]

Question. So for things that get boosted for having 100% magic, such as Keen Intuition, how does that react with Primed Magic? Does it count as 100% so long as its up to the Primed limit, or can you just never have 100% magic?

[spare kite]

Primed limit gets treated as new 100%

[cunning jetty]

Thank god

[timber pawn]

Special does more damage the longer it lasts hammer, +1 omega special projectile. Aphro attack, then hunt for aphro/Apollo duo

[civic ocean]

wait am I dumb or is Local Climate bugged

Is it supposed to follow you around after you finish casting, or just before?

also some very, very weird stuff is happening with the different interactions between the Omega Cast stuff

[spare kite]

After you lay down the Ω cast it should follow you iirc

[civic ocean]

So it's not, which is a bummer because I have super nova, lucid gain, and both apollo duos with zeus and demeter

okay wait it does but only if I channel the full cost

and then it explodes immediately lmao

awh man that stinks I need a better gain strat

unironically Tranquil Gain time

adding this to my resources folder tyvm!

[uneven raven]

how do you all fight upside boss 1||cyclops||? there seems to be a constant waves near him and i'm struggling with him more than down 4.

[terse egret]

Am I imagining things, but are Demeter skills far more effective in Oceanus?

[forest mortar]

flames are THE WORST weapon period

[timber pawn]

without any upgrades they can definitely feel a bit rough

[brave fern]

His attacks are periodic and slow so there’s time to either dash through the waves or wait until he isn’t attacking, and he doesn’t have that much health either. Although it is admittedly much easier with ranged weapons

Either that or just use knives and kill him in like 5 seconds

[terse egret]

Maybe I'm comparing flames alongside demeter, and she does so much more damage in Oceanus (even at a lower rarity skill) that i figure there must be environmental factors

[trail wharf]

Flames are better than you think

[safe spindle]

Any tips on how to get through Chronos phase 2? I've made it pretty close with both staff and twin blades but I just cannot parse what is going on in the second phase, especially when he summons reinforcements. there is just too much visual clutter on screen and so I sometimes can't even tell where Mel is and then I just get stunlocked because I don't even realise I'm getting hit

[trail wharf]

Like at first they seem bad, but once you realize things like being able to dash while holding attack and just setting up a bullet heaven type build they get much better

[brittle prairie]

Unupgraded Asoect of Melinoe maybe but they are definitely good at stacking damage in ways other weapons beyobd Pan and Momus may struggle

[trail wharf]

Also how exactly does the aspect of momus' ability work, like I have to fire the special and get in front of it to heal?

[timber pawn]

that wont be relevant since everything will die before it hurts you generally speaking. But yes you have to be in the omega special explosion

[terse junco]

omega special, and just be in the damage when it hits, yeah. You can just stand against a wall after an encounter to heal up

[trail wharf]

Got it, tried it on an early run and couldn't figure it out but that makes so much sense

[plush loom]

How work Hestia? Is it good for basic and special attack?

[weary dune]

Eos flames fun

[plush loom]

such as the dagger and the sickle

[tired fulcrum]

Hestia is just bad rn

Her attack and special at least

[trail wharf]

So scorch builds up damage fast but it only discharges at like 40 damage per second. The good news is that if you build up scorch to the point you reach a bosses health limit it all discharges. However for normal enemies you have to wait and for chronos he can just get rid of it iirc?

[tired fulcrum]

Yep

Like just use poseidon

[civic ocean]

👀

[tired fulcrum]

No. Air quality bug doesnt count

[civic ocean]

Is it confirmed to be a bug

[tired fulcrum]

Idk but imo it is

[ashen timber]

I was just about to ask if air quality affected scorch damage…

[civic ocean]

it does!

[ashen timber]

That’s awesome

Imma have to try that soon

[tired fulcrum]

It affects the internal ticks not the amount of scorch stacks applied so it makes scorch able to actually do damage

[plush loom]

thanks
btw zeus is bad for basic and special attack too? Hestia and Zeus are the ones that I least feel do the most damage

[ashen timber]

Idk, I was looking at the duo boons and found that Zeus’s blitz + aphro dash looks a lot like that Athena/ares combo from 1

[tall notch]

Blitz is alright if you have other damage that's capable of often proccing it but by itself doesn't do all that much

[tired fulcrum]

That thing is kinda harder to use cuz no ddash and no double dash but its also bugged in the semi-good way

[civic ocean]

Hestia is a build-around goddess who has minor utility otherwise

She has two very powerful things she can offer, which is Scorch with Zeus' Air Quality which is a health deleter while being fairly risk-free, and Slow Cooker, which can boost up the damage of any multi-hit or crit builds tremendously.

Other than that her utility is Scorch Sprint for projectile defense (very good on the surface), Hearth Gain for very reliable gain, and Glowing Coal + her cast boon for ranged casts that apply origination.

She's also not bad, similar to Hephastus, at just starting her and taking whatever of attack/special you don't plan on using and using that to down Erebus enemies for a quick power boost

[plush loom]

Ooooh, I see, Does Zeus have a boon like that?

[tired fulcrum]

Blitz is overall awkward because it effectively has a cooldown and the hit that applies it isnt accounted for the 120 damage

[tall notch]

The prime chain lightning thing if you are running a fast-hitting weapon and there's also the boon that throws lightning at enemies when you are below 10 mana

[tired fulcrum]

You can use his cast or his prime boon

[tall notch]

Oh yeah the cast too

I'm trying to get 40 fear with Than axe + Zeus cast but facing a bit of a skill issue atm, not avoiding damage well enough

[plush loom]

Yeah, I supposed

[plush loom]

ooooh, thanks

[civic ocean]

I just tried Dem+Apollo+Zeus and it seems very high ceiling, the casts were doing like 15-20% each to Phase 2 Chronos

if you can get cyclone on the cast to strip shields maybe it's good higher than 32?

[tall notch]

I am not particularly worried about the Chronos fight itself, it's more getting there

[civic ocean]

I really liked Demeter Attack on the spin for Erebus + Oceanus

Like I feel the spin does enough damage to beat those

you just have to not get popped

and for the bigger enemies like the sharks/punchers/minibosses you dash attack freeze then drop Solar Ring on them

[tall notch]

I don't think Than can do 5 min tight deadline without highrolling out of its mind and my 7 min deadline setup mobs hit quite hard. It's a doable run but is gonna take me more axe practice

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think rn 5 min deadline is Momus Pan Torches only atm

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pOGGl5ddQQ I can play Chronos like this if I get to him reasonably fast

[timber pawn]

it drives me up a wall that torch attack does not break gold jars lol

[tall notch]

It's such a weird decision 😭

[lament kestrel]

fr its so annoying

[lament kestrel]

i doubt it was purposeful

probably just how theyre coded to explode when they hit enemies

[civic ocean]

I think what I'm learning from this is I'm not patient enough in the Chronos fight

[timber pawn]

I have a chaos curse on specials atm so I literally can't break em

[civic ocean]

do ocasts not break stuff

[tall notch]

Just take the 5 dmg or so

Or passion dash into them if you have that

[tired fulcrum]

Time for antler strats

[tall notch]

I can see some skull builds pulling it off

[bitter aurora]

just found out you can dash right after/while channelling the axe omega attack, and it wont cancel if timed right

in case someone didnt know, pretty useful

[civic ocean]

I haven't touched skull yet other than testaments

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's a godsend

Also you can use Special right after Dashing and then Dash Attack, and the Dash Attack will retain invincibility from the Special block

[bitter aurora]

oh i didnt know that one yet, will try tho thank you

[civic ocean]

I wanna call it like Mynt Scooping or something because the Dash Attack looks like a scoop and Mynt came up with it here

[wet nova]

Dash attacking with the axe definitely feels the most smooth aswell, cos if you sprint into dash strike it doesn’t feel as heavy/slow

[bitter aurora]

mynt scooping sounds good

(also hehe godsend)

[civic ocean]

also the Dash Attack stops you from needing the 3rd hit of the main combo to kill most Erebus stuff

and that move is big time stinky so

[lament kestrel]

is a boat 1 encounter, or is it each enemy spawn between rewards

[civic ocean]

a boat is a location like the fields IIRC, an encounter is everytime you touch a reward in both

[lament kestrel]

ah okay thx

[civic ocean]

general rule of thumb is that if the screen transitions to black and back it's a location, every time you fight enemies for a reward it's an encounter (so I do not believe troves/unlocks are encounters"

[astral pewter]

Does Aspect of Melinoe on the Axe even do anything?
It feels the same as the regular axe

[knotty fulcrum]

It should make you recover faster from attacks. prolly if you max it you are gonna notice some difference. But if you don't want to only use the normal attack you should probably use another aspect

[astral pewter]

im trying it out right now, attacking kinda does feel more fluid at rank 4 but does not really do much for DPS

[weak wave]

Just squandered a lucky run, was using the keepsake that activates a random arcana card and beat hecate and activated the one that activates 5 random inactive arcana. Made it all the way to tartarus but just got wittled down overtime

[knotty fulcrum]

I think it helps you more to not get hit during/after an attack

[mystic bison]

Skulls build suggestions other than Aphro on special? And is Persephone the best aspect or what?

[knotty fulcrum]

I ran apollo on attack once and tried to get his legendary. But it did so little damage it took me like 40 min to finish the run. but once you manage to get the apollo special you will do a lot of damage. the strategy is to just spam the omega attack and to retrieve the shells you can just omega special thru the enemies

[mystic bison]

Oh wow I probably should try exceptional talent

[scenic saddle]

where has fury whirlwind gone from axe hammers?

[zenith bolt]

i stg this is like top 5 hammers https://i.imgur.com/919Km5n.png

[mystic bison]

Omega Special priority seems like the way to go (open to be proven wrong)

Attack is just not enough as a primary damage source

[knotty fulcrum]

I think you are right. I managed to beat eris on 16 fear with aphro special spam. Have to try to kill chonos to and I will probably still use special. Tho I have to say that spamming omega attack feels nice it's just that the damage isn't there

[mystic bison]

I've cleared with Skulls a few times all on low fear tho, I feel that it is less efficient in melting bosses than other weapons, that's why I'm looking for a good build to compensate for it

Omega Attack is just too slow I never use it

[knotty fulcrum]

slow but safe (except for chronos)

[mystic bison]

Gonna try Apollo Legendary build on 12 fear rn

[knotty fulcrum]

gl

[shadow marsh]

Tbf daggers have 3-4 of the top 5 hammers. Hook knives, boundless flurry, final slice, and the big damage omega attack are all amazing. Backstab is up there too.

They should strive to make all the weapon's hammers feel as good as the twin blades' do.

[tall notch]

If you are running Persephone you could use a Zeus/Apollo cast to compensate on your single target damage

[summer root]

The twin blades feel like the fists in Hades 1 but better

[lament kestrel]

fists but more op

[hexed zenith]

I feel like 40 fear is a no hit run

[lament kestrel]

hook knives builds are more op than athena + ares duo on twin fists

[spare kite]

Fists but with base dmg

[mystic bison]

Apollo cast into Apollo Legendary sounds good, maybe even fish for Zeus/Apollo duo?

[sudden scaffold]

Cleared 24 fear with Demeter on attack and Mel aspect, worked fairly well

[shadow marsh]

Imo persephone is the worst aspect. Takes 5x longer to charge than it should.

[tired fulcrum]

And also combos that cant be dash canceled

[brittle prairie]

That passive Omega special damage is incredible so I disagree, even ignoring the glory mechanic entirely I think its better

[mystic bison]

Idk how Glory works but I figured it's good since it boosts the Omega Special dmg

[knotty fulcrum]

Can someone recommend me a blades build for 24 fear (maybe even a fear setup)? I tried the special build but just can't deal with crowds of enemies

[shadow marsh]

Yeah demeter fists with explosive upper+hadouken have no replacement in my heart

[knotty fulcrum]

Yeah the glory is kinda useless the main thing is the omega boost

[mystic bison]

The other skull aspects incentivize attack but I don't feel it's a reliable damage source

[tall notch]

Take Demeter cast if you are struggling with mobs

[shadow marsh]

Demeter or hestia cast also make the 2 crystal hearts fear setup basically free so look into that

[slate pecan]

artemis aspect + hammer that boosts omega attack worked for me

[shadow marsh]

Imo the problem with knives special build is that it takes a while to get rolling so you want a clean early game. A good cast helps facilitate that

[dawn cape]

I wonder, if Born Gain also caused you to lose 1 HP each time it procced would it still be the best magick boon?

[knotty fulcrum]

But that kind of implies that I need to get lucky enough to get demeter or to get thru erebus without aphro special. managed to get hook knives early this run tho so maybe this is it

[tired fulcrum]

Only 1?

[shadow marsh]

Yes, 1hp is nothing

I think the best solution for born gain is to increase the amount it primes

[tall notch]

I mean I guess it would kill the inclusion of born gain in any antler builds?

[dawn cape]

Personally I think the better solution is to make its priming percentage-based, say at common rarity each time it activates it primes 20% of your remaining unprimed mana

[tired fulcrum]

Still op

[mystic bison]

Does Lovers card counter Vow of suffering?

[dawn cape]

Would at least make its total mana scaling less exponential

[shadow marsh]

I think it should be more punishing. Make it so you need to be taking more magick to make it worthwhile.

[spare kite]

I need the other gain boons to let you refill mid combat more than anything

[dawn cape]

Yeah more lenience on that would help too

For instance torch attack shouldn't disrupt refill until it's actually showing the omega gauge

[tall notch]

I think Zeus should only reduce your unprimed manapool, not the total. It's too easy to end up with 0 mana with it

[lament kestrel]

does icarus' keepsake stay after u take it off like chaos'?

[shadow marsh]

Torch attack feels so bad rn

[tired fulcrum]

Ye

[lament kestrel]

awesome

[mystic bison]

It stays but the hammer expires after x amount of rooms still

[dawn cape]

Just simplify the rule to "if the channel meter is on-screen, unconditional magick per second boons won't recover your magick"

[lament kestrel]

aw

[dawn cape]

But conditional effects like apollo should still apply

[mystic bison]

Chaos stays forever if you take it off before the room limit

[lament kestrel]

if u swap it in tartarus it should stay till chronos tho if u lvl it up
hmm

[lament kestrel]

yeah ik ty

[spare kite]

Even if you take it in fields it can last to chronos at 3* iirc

[mystic bison]

Max rank is 30 rooms I think which should last a while

[shadow marsh]

The chaos doesn't expire it just changes it's effect

[haughty depot]

for the remaining duration yes, and it can last from fields to chronos

[mystic bison]

If you have the keepsake equipped and don't swap before room limit yes

[shadow marsh]

Also max rank is 20 combats which is enough to get through fields and tart

[mystic bison]

Ikarus keepsake too rng dependent tho, can brick Axe runs

[tall notch]

If you get lucky on skipping encounters it's possible to put on the hammer keepsake in Oceanus and have it for Chronos

[lament kestrel]

oh very cool

[lament kestrel]

yeah true

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1241482733684002836/32_heat_Eos_aspect_Torches.PNG?ex=664a5c65&is=66490ae5&hm=5aa72db9275c12f2d3de2c678920a33f917fda3ee36550362989f44df1aa7b0f& I definitely did not expect to win this one of all things

I am shaking lmao

[tall notch]

EOS GAMING

[spare kite]

Eos gaming

[mystic bison]

00:00 nice

[timber pawn]

29 hp and 0 on the clock lmao I was taking tick damage already

[shadow marsh]

Is very aspect dependent. It's great on stuff like charon axe and artemis blades because they don't have bad hammers.

[lament kestrel]

i want charon axe to look like an oar thatd be awesome

[keen ingot]

I used to hate the twin flames when i started playing, but i'm starting to get used to it
They start out really weak, but get REALLY powerful in late game if you make a good cast combo

I think the problem people have with them is that they're a bit too slow for the game's pace
Attacks aren't direct and they grow in power exponentially, so it feels slow and wonky when you play with them

I don't know what kind of tweak would be needed to make them feel better for people, but i tried them with the upgrade that makes the special throw an attack in a direct, straight line and i actually felt like it was worse than normal one

[lament kestrel]

**oar-some😀

[shadow marsh]

To start, let them regen mana during thier attack like every other weapon

[summer root]

I'm far too impatient for the torches, they're my least used weapon. They're definitely good but goodness I like big numbers and fast.

[shadow marsh]

Running out of mana and having to run around using cast and special feels awful

[summer root]

I hope they bring something similar to the adamant rail, I loved how that felt.

(Also hehe a witch with a gun nintendo better stay away)

[shadow marsh]

Momus staff kekw

[keen ingot]

tbh, real

[summer root]

Yeah but, momus staff doesn't go ratatatata when i spam the spells I need a bang!

(Momus Staff build does go hard especially with hitch good lord)

[tall notch]

Torch gamers, what do you think about my new server nickname?

[spare kite]

momus staff makes me feel like the people who spammed attack on fists/rail instead of holding

[mystic bison]

No stagger on special and no dash cancel is the worst part about the torches, Mel aspect at least

[summer root]

I do agree that Eos is probably the best torch aspect

[timber pawn]

Big fan

[shadow marsh]

Yeah I get no stagger on omega special but at least the normal one that's awkward a f to aim

[summer root]

Also continuing this, I think it'd be funny for Eris to have an interaction with Melinoe saying her gun is bigger or something silly

[pseudo pond]

Any good skull builds?

Still haven’t found anything synergize with skull well

[shadow marsh]

This is definitely the pipiest of dreams but my biggest hope is we get Zag and his aspects at some point

[orchid fog]

Does anybody have advice for a good boon to put on Knife special if you're doing Pan Aspect?

[green wren]

theres still a slot in the circle so

[tall notch]

Poseidon

[summer root]

That'd be really cool too, trying out the boons with the old weapons. I definitely wanted to use hitch on the Adamant Rail

Dude Aphrodite on fists?

[mystic bison]

Zag mode would be really cool

My pipe dream is a challenge megarun, where you go from Tartarus up to Olympus with no breaks

[tall notch]

Hear me out, Baewulf with Apollo cast

[summer root]

Evil.

[knotty fulcrum]

isn't aphro better?

[bitter aurora]

anyone got tips on how to do the omega axe attack with dash strike consistently?

it feels very weird to do right

[civic ocean]

Mel Torches are tricky but the omega specials are so efficient

[tall notch]

Not really, Poseidon is flat damage so you can scale it super high

[summer root]

I think it'd be cooler if they did this boss rush idea, but in Elysium's arena where you fought Theseus

[civic ocean]

Don't do it, charge up the axe while enemies spawn and then dash into them as you release it

[knotty fulcrum]

damn I have to try that then

[mystic bison]

That would also be really fun

[shadow marsh]

Dash -> attack -> hold always works for me

[bitter aurora]

im trying

but its inconsistent

[tall notch]

And it applies a condition if you get his slip boon, already putting you at 1 out of 2 for the origination arcana

[timber pawn]

You have to keep holding attack the whole time

[knotty fulcrum]

but whats a good fear setup for 24?

[green wren]

Medea boons are so good waow

[summer root]

You'd get all the resources from the bosses too so it just saves time and you get to be good or something.

[bitter aurora]

nah i mean the charge omega - dash

[mystic bison]

If you manage to put the build together, get the hammer with less channel speed, heart throbs and Apollo Aphro duo, Kronos melts in 10sec

[full yarrow]

now that i realise cyclone and freeze are 2 different curse

[bitter aurora]

ah ty

its as easy as that 💀

[tall notch]

Honestly fear setups are preference, look at them and think to yourself "which of those am I comfortable dealing with"

[civic ocean]

yep and the nice thing about that build on high fear is that it can reliably comfortably clear 5 minute timer so you can weaken the enemies further

[timber pawn]

I can't believe I beat the 5 minute timer with no hammers or heart throb lol

[agile idol]

good boon or hammer recs to go with apollo special on the aspect of momus?

[knotty fulcrum]

the thing is I use vow of fury maxed but I think that really isn't to good for omega runs since you get hit a lot more during chaneling

[civic ocean]

So weirdly if you channel the spin on axe, then dash into special, you spend the mana but don't spin

[tall notch]

Do you not run the sorceress arcana?

[knotty fulcrum]

ofc I do but still I seem to get hit a lot more. Ig I will try with only the 20%

[quiet axle]

Does anyone know if the Moon Arcana card (omega cast has extra power whenever it detonates) work with Charon Axe (cast erupts like omega cast if struck by omega special)

I.e. will the Moon card give that explosion extra damage?

edit: looks like it does after testing on skelly

[summer root]

I also wanna mention something silly I did, I beat the game originally without knowing what grasp was, so I uh only had 10 arcana. It was torture.

Only found out because I watched a friend play and saw he had max, and immediately I maxed it out.

[green wren]

"what do these blue things do i have so many"

[summer root]

Quite literally what I thought.

The torture of having to play at 50 hp with 50 mana

[wild cloak]

Charon axe eruption always just counts as an omega explosion (procs omega cast boons)

[civic ocean]

The key is to slow them down at the right times.

Are you fighting the big shades in Erebus?

Time slow facing their fronts? BAD BAD BAD

Time slow facing their backs? GOOD GOOD GOOD

I actually recommend for anyone who wants a crash course in the enemy's attack patterns, when you're safe and when you're not, to run Mel Torches with Vow of Fury and Vow of Blood turned up to max. You will suuuuuper quickly figure out when you're safe and when you're not safe.

[timber pawn]

Ya these 32 heat eos attempts really made me deal with attack patterns

[tame wraith]

does demeters boon rarity boon affect all boons or just the ones you had when you got it

[tall notch]

Or you can always just freeze enemies if you don't wanna care about their attack patterns too much

[civic ocean]

It selects them at random, same with Hera's

[orchid fog]

Is it perfectly viable to ignore the Pan aspects magnet cast and instead just take advantage of the extra knives?

[tame wraith]

but would it affect boons i pick up after it

[civic ocean]

Neither of them do, no

[green wren]

you'd have to check if the extra daggers are worth more than backstab if your not playing for homing, idk breakpoints

[civic ocean]

Sorta? Like, you can still use your cast so your knives don't miss, if you have a special boon and half of the knives miss your target you're missing out on like 200-300 damage lategame yknow?

[orchid fog]

not if you're running aphrodite boomerang knives

[civic ocean]

Well then you're probably also running The Furies, right, so you're still missing out on 30% damage.

Also, importantly, Casts stop the enemies from jumping you before/after you release the knives

[orchid fog]

the cast goes away so quick you only really get one toss

[civic ocean]

you can cast while you charge the toss

[green wren]

its still a multiplier though

[civic ocean]

unless you take the ranged cast boon

[spare kite]

wait fr

[civic ocean]

yes, while you charge the omega special you can cast

[spare kite]

nice

[civic ocean]

unless you take Glowing Coal or Lightning Lance

[inland pumice]

The annoying thing about pan aspect for me is I hate having to get up close to use the cast, just so that my special will seek. I think you probably want one of the range casts? Like Zeus or Hestia

It really breaks the flow imo of being able to just spam homing knives

[civic ocean]

Spacing is important for Pan yeah, Pan is a really interesting aspect because it plays one way the whole game and then has to play differently against Chronos or he'll mop you

[inland pumice]

I guess you could just ignore the homing knives tho, just having extra knives and putting aphro on special is probably strong enough

If you pair it with the hammer that gives you more damage for hitting the same enemy

[civic ocean]

Yeah I would say it's do-able but you'd prefer to cast

Also again it's really hard to get close to Grandpa with Pan because you can't slowge him

unless you have cast time reduction boons

[green wren]

your basically giving up a free multiplier if you dont cast though, esp if your getting the flat per dagger ^^

[white steppe]

i need literally any skull build, all I play is apollo w the salvo hammer and omega attack spam

[civic ocean]

you know what im gonna say

[zenith bolt]

ah yeah, i did need to throw away a life before narcissus https://i.imgur.com/gtvq9Z7.png well, that's another fated list done

[civic ocean]

Kinda - I actually dropped Furies and Origination from my 32 builds mostly because I don't think contextual 30% and 50% is actually that strong.

multipliers are all additive in this game, so if you like Pom a rare Aph Special you're at 200%, Furies is only taking you to 230% now, for instance

[inland pumice]

I had a fun build with base skull earlier where I got Zeus on attack, and a hammer that made it so enemies standing near skull took damage. So they would get hit by the skull and blitz effect, and then take damage from standing nearby until the blitz activated

It was kind of slow because I had to do a lot of waiting, but fun build lol

[white steppe]

what, scorch aq?

[civic ocean]

Still clearing Axe but when I get to skull I want to do Persephone with Scorch on special and Zeus for the Omega Cast, Zeus clears the mobs and then you dump full charge Omega Special onto the boss and deal like 600-900 scorch or something

[white steppe]

damn that sounds like ass, gonna do it anyway

[tall notch]

These things tend to matter the most in early biomes, so I feel like for 5 min deadline they're necessary

[civic ocean]

I think they would be on 40+ where you play

I think on 32 it's not a big deal if you're playing aph torches

[tall notch]

• they matter more in builds that want to take advantage of flat damage sources

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think I would run both with Momus poseidon for sure

[tall notch]

Doesn't that build play heartrobs?

[honest lodge]

well guys I tried out momus finally and I gotta admit it was quite strong. Never needed to use the self heal part tho haha

[civic ocean]

Yeah I found it:

A) is kind of hard to get Origination online because you're burning Apollo's Sprint and Aph's Gain/Cast/Dash pretty often to get Special, Heartthrob, Nova Strike, Lucid/Solar and Dose/Super for the Legendary+Duo

B) Aph Special on Mel can blast through Erebus even without Furies

[inland pumice]

Which aspect should upgrade first? Any strong ones/ fun ones I should be looking at? Just unlocked them

[summer root]

hhh thanatos axe with giga cleaver and appollo special goes so hard

[summer root]

Aspect of Melinoe's Twin Blades do backstab damage

which do go pretty hard

[civic ocean]

ATM Momus and Pan seem strongest for those weapons, I think Than is a good shout for Axe, and I like Mel Torches because you can get them to rank V very fast

[honest lodge]

hookshot is crazy on those

[civic ocean]

Hookshot is just crazy

[summer root]

Honestly all of the aspects is crazy

I like the aspect of persephone on skull that's just silly

[inland pumice]

Ooh I can imagine backstab +hookshot + Aphrodite special just destroys everything

[honest lodge]

the mel aspects are mostly pretty solid

[summer root]

try hitch

[honest lodge]

mel staff omega attack spam is quite good

[summer root]

Circe's staff omega spam is pretty fun as well

[honest lodge]

hitch is crazy for crowd control. I did it once with ricochet daggers lol

[summer root]

especially with apollo and cataclysm

double cataclysm*

[white steppe]

@civic ocean i feel like you set me up, this feels like absolute garbage to play

[honest lodge]

also cast spam on stuff with generic omega bonuses is always solid. Pos+apollo cast for HUGE splash

[summer root]

Hapheastus with Aspect of Charon on Axe is pretty funny too

[green wren]

surface 3 is probably going to be rough because medea circe and icarus feel so strong for neutrals

[summer root]

eris hard

[honest lodge]

speaking of heph, with the change to sprint, running the card makes sprint "instant" after the dash I guess. Does that make heph sprint spam easier to use?

[summer root]

how is charbydis not a boss i wonder

[inland pumice]

Yeah I find Eris surprisingly hard for a second area boss, I wonder if it’ll be like that in final release? She has 4 different health gates and gets higher damage on each one

Kinda nutty tbh, and she has a few moves that are very tricky to dodge

[coarse sphinx]

cause its a snoozer of a fight

[green wren]

charybdis gave me deathwing ptsd when i saw him

[civic ocean]

Idk I did 20 on it pretty easy? Maybe I'll have to tweak it for an aph start too

[summer root]

it do be a snoozer but also i want a plush of him

[honest lodge]

not hard after a couple times. The boss witch thing in stage 3 going down was super hard the first time. Not the one that stays in the middle but the other one that moves around fast

[marsh lily]

I only managed to get through by keeping all of my death defiances and i used all of them up 😭

[coarse sphinx]

Phantom

[summer root]

Rootstalkers aren't hard you just run in a circle.

[honest lodge]

yeah, that one was pretty brutal

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh youre also much more powered up after ephyra than a regular 1st area with all the guaranteed boons and extra rooms that can give extra health and stuff. Also icarus upgrades and hermes shrines are quite powerful

[summer root]

Usually first response when I see a bunch of projectiles

[tall notch]

At least you don't have to climb on top of Charybdis' spine and fight it there

[coarse sphinx]

he meant in the fields of mourning, the 3rd area alt miniboss to the lamia

[honest lodge]

hitch is really fun on charybdis

[civic ocean]

GET ON THE HYDRAS BACK

[summer root]

The lamia?

[inland pumice]

That’s true for the first area, but second area is pretty bad in terms of rewards so it balances out

[tired fulcrum]

Actually does second area have a mid shop i forget

[summer root]

Lamia do be annoying first time but she doesn't have the boss bar like Charybibs did

[inland pumice]

I do like the concept of the Hermes shrines though, it’s pretty smart design

[honest lodge]

that depends on what gods you get. Often half are the same god, and if it's a good one for your weapon it's awesome. If not, it can make it tricky

[civic ocean]

Boats I feel like is so dependent on if you get Icarus and the fountain or not

[green wren]

I dont mean spine ptsd its the ptsd from madness when everyone was mindcontrolled from spine prog and letting their intrusive thoughts win

rather than a home stretch it was like family christmas arguments

[tired fulcrum]

Hmm yeah boats is kinda inconsistent with how much stuff you get

[civic ocean]

Icarus is cracked

[coarse sphinx]

the alt miniboss to the lamia

[inland pumice]

Yeah most of the time in boats I personally get psych or ash, maybe a boon or two if lucky

[honest lodge]

until I unlocked the hermes shrines I always had tons of gold and was like WTF. Now I understand what it was all for lol

[summer root]

You mean the vampire?

[civic ocean]

Prime 20 mana to do WHAT to my attack/special?

[green wren]

+10 power pog

[coarse sphinx]

Icarus is a bum, cant hit anything

[summer root]

Vampire do be a huge butthead

[green wren]

idk what dracula is doing in greek hell

[summer root]

fr

[coarse sphinx]

i think its called a phantom lol

[civic ocean]

Same thing greek titan with clocks with roman numerals is doing, presumably

[green wren]

he lifesteals = vampire

[full yarrow]

i manage to ice and fire cast chrono to death. Fun way to win

[tired fulcrum]

Chronos is just ahead of his time

[honest lodge]

I got the steam duo on chronos last run. Pretty good

[green wren]

if surface 1 is medea and surface 2 is circe who is surface 3's witch ?

[summer root]

He lifesteals, is really tall and pale, wears all black, has long grey hair, has claws, is called the Phantom Lord

[inland pumice]

Anyone else kinda dislike the health gate shields? I really don’t like how it feels, to me it breaks the flow of combat. I get that they don’t want you to one shot the boss if you get a crazy build, but I would prefer if you could still hit the bosses during phase changes, but maybe you do much less damage, like 90% reduced or something. I hate getting to a next part of a fight and just sitting around waiting for the shield to drop

[summer root]

Imma call him a vampire

[cunning dove]

I completely missed them adding daggers back to testaments letsgoo

[civic ocean]

Surface 3 is Olympus so my guess is Dionysus will be the surface 3 no fighting room

[green wren]

i'd rather have invuln shields than hush delirium gated damage

[summer root]

I bet Dionysus would be a boss ngl he is the God of Madness afterall

[inland pumice]

I had this issue in original Hades as well, so just never been a fan of those shields I guess

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh it is kinda silly how miniboses are just completely useless after their armor breaks, might as well just have them die immediately

[civic ocean]

I like that it adds extra value to armor break for bosses and minibosses

[green wren]

typhon is maybe boss considering olympus jobs to him in the irl lore

[inland pumice]

I think mini bosses shouldn’t get hitstun by basic attacks

Even after you break shield

[tall notch]

If you don't focus down the adds they can still hurt you but that's about it

[green wren]

staff hammer dash strike gibbing shield is pretty funny ngl

[honest lodge]

may be nice to have less armor on them and let them resist stun after it drops

[civic ocean]

We also likely have not seen their final forms yet so

[tall notch]

Thing is, if they can't get hitstunned after armor break why make them have armor in the first place? Could just be one big health bar

[honest lodge]

true

[civic ocean]

Like if the upgraded Rootstalker fight is 3 underground slappers I woupd really appreciate being able to stun them

[honest lodge]

but stun does make them trivial tho unless there's other stuff to attack you at that point

[civic ocean]

Tbf this is the case for almost every miniboss fight

[inland pumice]

I guess for armor break effects from boons

Those would still have value for ending the fight quicker

[tired fulcrum]

There could be something like multiple armor bars and breaking each one stuns them temporarily idk

[inland pumice]

Do you guys think they’ll add Artemis in as “main boon” or is she staying as a side boon once per run? Artemis builds were some of my favorite from first game

I miss my dash strike Stygian blade lol

[tired fulcrum]

They prolly wont change her

[honest lodge]

the weird thing is the major bosses don't have armor yet don't get stunned

[tired fulcrum]

Would be nice if she was more impactful tho other than for support fire

[honest lodge]

mark is really strong

[green wren]

inb4 "everythings terrible" type fear instead of extreme measures

[tall notch]

OMG I just realised why Than axe has that "don't get hit thing" going. It's a throwback to his butterfly keepsake. This was probably obvious to everyone out here and I'm just slow 😭

[honest lodge]

in theory even a 4% crit chance is actually a global 8% DPS gain but it is super inconsistent

[inland pumice]

Yeah I still like the Artemis mark enemies, but they are in general a little underwhelming. But it makes sense because it’s a side reward, it’s just supposed to help builds a little bit

[honest lodge]

yeah and you usually get her on top of other room rewards

[inland pumice]

So unfortunately there’s not gonna be much synergy between her and other boons or weapon types

[tall notch]

I like the "omega damage after dashing" thing

[inland pumice]

Oh yeah that one is great

I used that one when I won with hookshot daggers

[tall notch]

Especially if you are spamming dashes pretty much on cooldown like a certain weapon aspect I very much enjoy

[honest lodge]

the idea is she should be usable with any build and not be build or weapon dependent since she is random and you can't swap her for another boon

[tall notch]

I love seeing Artemis, she stops the timer AND gives a fairly decent boon

[honest lodge]

god I wonder what aspect that could be lol

[mossy beacon]

I think the most op build is double moonshot, aspect of momus, aphrodite special with island getaway it does like 1k dps

[tall notch]

You can actually tell Artemis will be in a room the moment combat starts because timer stops even before she does her "the hunt is on" thing

[inland pumice]

Do you guys think it’s harder to get boons on everything in this game? I’ve had a few runs now where I only had a boon on attack or special, or only boon on cast/attack. Maybe I’m misremembering but it feels harder to get a boon in every slot in this game than in first

Maybe just more synergy/buff boons

[tired fulcrum]

For getting the specific boon you want yeah

[tall notch]

You get fewer boons but can really specialise what you get because of the amount of rerolls arcana throws at you

[tired fulcrum]

A lot of stuff has no prereqs

[mossy beacon]

I feel like theres a lot more material rooms in this game than hades 1

[tired fulcrum]

No dark foresight be like

[inland pumice]

You can’t reroll materials into boons right? Only other materials

[tall notch]

Artificer really should cost 5

[inland pumice]

Do hammer rooms reroll into boons?

[tired fulcrum]

Can

But theres a lot of stuff in the pool so hard to reroll into boons

[honest lodge]

I think so. It seems like the game doesn't skew boons in favor of main slots if you don't have them filled as much as in the first game, which can be okay cause some builds you spam just one ability

[inland pumice]

Yeah and that’s fair, you can definitely use a build with only two buttons in this game

In my first victory with the staff, I literally spammed Poseidon special over and over

[tired fulcrum]

Rerolling should just guarantee replace at least 2 of the boon options

[honest lodge]

yeah, boons are considered major finds and ash and bones and stuff are minor finds

[coarse sphinx]

theres an arcana which at max level lets you do so three times a night

its also the most expensive arcana for grasp in the game

[honest lodge]

I often will pick up a cast so I can run the more damage into cast card and get some extra damage with the cast. Also can be good for the two statuses card

[inland pumice]

Yes but materials like psych and ash only reroll into other materials, not boons or hammers

[tired fulcrum]

They mean artificer

[inland pumice]

Oh, is that in the final row?

[coarse sphinx]

im pretty sure it can let you reroll into a heart, money, boons and hammer

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[inland pumice]

I don’t think I’ve gotten that one yet

[coarse sphinx]

oops mb then lol

[inland pumice]

All good

[honest lodge]

right that one card lets you upgrade minor finds into major finds

[inland pumice]

I do hope we get more ways to increase our boons tho, I liked the first game when they had those rooms where you can’t get hit, and you get good rewards if you do. Don’t know if those are in the game, haven’t seen them yet in this one

[tired fulcrum]

Nope

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241500532309233734/image.png?ex=664a6cf8&is=66491b78&hm=f1cedb1a028a7bdd513faaa55e3c3e6ad2ee31a3a9772dab4912eabe026278a5& I saw the duo like 3 times and didn't see the infusion at all

hestia being an L as always

[haughty depot]

is yarn of ariadne worth the money usually?

[coarse sphinx]

yesss

[inland pumice]

Yes

[honest lodge]

how much damage was that hitting for?

[spare kite]

1.8k on crit

[coarse sphinx]

especially how rare it can be to get an higher rarity than common boon

[tired fulcrum]

If you have the preqs for a duo or legendary it should probably increase the chances like it did in the first game

[zenith bolt]

lol https://i.imgur.com/BGhcS6z.png

[spare kite]

lmao did you get the pause incantation

[inland pumice]

From the little I’ve used hestia I feel like scorch is the worst curse effect. Much prefer the way blitz, hitch, freeze etc feel

[zenith bolt]

yeah, theres a bunch of funny dialogue in it

[spare kite]

yeah I was gonna say, keep spamming it

[inland pumice]

Idk if I’m just not getting the right boon or weapon combos but so far not a fan of scorch

[zenith bolt]

"I will abide what is doubtless a necessary bathroom break."

[spare kite]

the only way scorch works is with air quality it seems
or just as a curse for origination

[coarse sphinx]

scorch is really only good if you get the boon from hestia that triggers 75% of it after a certain limit

[tall notch]

Don't let East hear that

[honest lodge]

scorch is a solid cast option. Decent damage to all enemies in AoE without need for omega casting. If you pom it up then it build up faster than you can use it. But you can farm like 40K damage per run with it, which is not bad at all for a single unbuffed cast. Can also do bonus damage to armor

[inland pumice]

Yeah the e issue is, with base scorch, it’s too slow. I feel like I’m sitting there waiting for them to die for so long

I can see their health is zero once the scorch ends

[honest lodge]

you don't want to run it on your main attack unless you get fire extinguisher

[inland pumice]

But you have to wait for that unless you have a way to trigger it instantly

Is there a way to make the scorch burn faster or something? Or only the insta trigger boon

[tall notch]

Scorch cast is decent utility if you also get the thing that makes scorched mobs do an aoe when they die but honestly most of the time I'd rather have Demeter

[honest lodge]

but like a rare scorch cast does 45 scorch per sec and deals damage at 40 DPS so you aren't waiting for any of the damage

[spare kite]

her legendary doubles the rate iirc

[inland pumice]

Ah okay

Maybe I’ll focus hestia and try to get that build going then, need to find that legendary boon maybe

[coarse sphinx]

or maybe just dont play hestia

[honest lodge]

depends on the build tho. Cause hestia has a ranged cast option and a good magick regen ability, also soot sprint. Taking all that fire with her infusion can be a solid damage buff to your main attack as well.

[coarse sphinx]

but jokes aside hestia legendary is prolly the way to go if you want her as your main source of damage

[honest lodge]

that and extinguisher

[zenith bolt]

air quality beats both of those afaik

[coarse sphinx]

extinguisher is like mandatory lmao

[honest lodge]

but yeah, I only take her for support and cast generally. Also her pos duo is solid

[spare kite]

dumb stuff but just realized that charon wells no longer sell the +30% attack item lmao (because of an eris convo of all things)

[distant root]

How are we feeling about hephaestus' attack boon? the one that creates explosions 😩

[cursive oyster]

i have started taking hestia on daggers and flames for the infusion alone

[tall notch]

The way the game slows down whenever it goes off really annoys me

[honest lodge]

take it when you aren't using your attack

[distant root]

I've had mixed feelings abt it but I don't know whether it's actually meta or if I should wait for another attack boon

[zenith bolt]

hmm spirit bubbles seem real on eos

[tall notch]

I love Heph's armor stuff but not the core boons

[distant root]

wait it does that? I've never noticed it ;-;

[honest lodge]

Like I'll take it on pan attack for instance with vent and then when it recharges I just hit the biggest thing with it and otherwise I special spam

[ionic moon]

anything that lets you keep holding attack 👍

[coarse sphinx]

core boons are pretty good if they arent part of your main build

[jovial river]

I got it down to 2 seconds and that was pretty good

[distant root]

ohh okie I see!!!

[zenith bolt]

common poseidon W fr

[distant root]

I'll go for that then ty!!! :DD

[tall notch]

but what about demeter

[honest lodge]

I had the recharge on the attack down to 5 secs once haha

[distant root]

oh i dislike demeter so much it's unreal 💀

[jovial river]

Lvl4 heroic is 2 secs

[honest lodge]

heph explosions are really fun with hitch haha

[zenith bolt]

[distant root]

her boons are too bland imo

[honest lodge]

okay but hear me out... coarse grit

[distant root]

for reall i love the explosion thingy 😔

[ionic moon]

i want to see their internal stats on god pick rates, poseidon probably like 50%+

[distant root]

it's so satisfying to see enemies disintegrate

[ionic moon]

...hestia 2%

[tall notch]

Freezing is incredible I'll take her cast every chance I get unless my build specifically needs another cast

[marsh lily]

FR

[distant root]

WAIT I LOVE HESTIA WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER????

[honest lodge]

another fun combo for heph is aphro cast. Pull them together and hit them with the heph

[marsh lily]

Demeter cast is so good

[tall notch]

Even Demeter attack if you can get scaling elsewhere

[cursive oyster]

hestia attack and special is imo the worst in the game but her support options are good

[marsh lily]

i feel like a really important part for any build in hades II is getting a really good cast build

[rain hazel]

Does the cast that follow make the apolo cast follow as well?

[ionic moon]

she's the weakest to choose as a main source of damage

[rigid lake]

THE VOW OF BITTERNESS COUNTS ASPHODEL AS A SEPARATE REGION NO SHOT I LOSE TWO BOONS IN OCEANUS

[honest lodge]

demeter on attack for like momus can be really useful cause the reach lets you hit charging stuff and freeze them

[marsh lily]

its just free aoe dot damage

[rigid lake]

[cursive oyster]

scorch cast for origination, cast projectile for cast builds, slow cooker, hearth gain, soot sprint invalidates eris

[distant root]

oh so for basic damage she's not good yeah i get it lol

[astral ginkgo]

Demeter cyclone plus Zeus minimum damage

[distant ocean]

origination might be self-defeating, the damage increase might not even be worth worrying about it's existance

the application of it rather..

same with cast, unless you're literally pan with spiral knives.

[honest lodge]

this combo is great with like aphro special pan and heph for more fire to boost special damage. And you can do the heph attack thing

[distant ocean]

Slow Cooker's the only good one but it's like what 1/10th what poseidon's flat damage is

[cursive oyster]

and scorch seems insane with air quality, due to scorching grandpa while in time slow, it seems like it does 8 damage every 0.2 seconds

[distant ocean]

with the caveat that you must get fire boons which aren't really great

[honest lodge]

I attack into cast on most weapons frequently cause the cast is free damage and slows enemy movement. It's a great defensive tool especailly for ranged builds like momus or axe with it's slow attacks and long reach

[tall notch]

I really wonder if scorch + air quality is intended. The interaction doesn't feel right

[distant ocean]

positioning onto enemies to put your cast down is almost always damage loss

[cursive oyster]

shh let me have my quadruple damage scorch

[honest lodge]

you run it with percentage based attack/special boons to multiply the damage. Doing so nets more raw damage than pos does, but it's a bigger investment. There's 8-10 solid fire boons between hestia and heph

[distant ocean]

and if you're picking up a boon that throws your cast you gave a up a damage boon that's better than 30% probably lol

[ionic moon]

nah, nerf scorch air quality and make base scorch actually good

[cursive oyster]

^

[tall notch]

I want scorch to be good, let my Melinoë be a pyromancer 😭

[cursive oyster]

i think hestia should have a percentage increase as well as scorch on core slots

[distant ocean]

No, it's not multiplying it, furies is additive with huntress is additive with % boons, and you can get huntress going with any build

[honest lodge]

I will say though, regarding hestia infusion that the heph infusion is 5% damage per earth, which is really strong with like pos attack/special, but you need hera or something for more earth

[cursive oyster]

Poseidon doesn’t get boosted by aphro attack

[distant ocean]

your base damage still does and poseidon's got it's own methods of boosting

[timber pawn]

I feel like it's right in the realm of 'a pain to put together' enough to be fun/fine

[cursive oyster]

and yknow slow cooker doesn’t take a core slot

[distant ocean]

Bonus Damage is a pretty cool thing.

[timber pawn]

A lot better than fishing for immediate application of doom

[ionic moon]

it's just unfortunate that hestia's "best" build so far is one hestia boon and then stack zeus

[honest lodge]

hesita infusion adds power, which is base damage. So if you add 10 power to an attack like dagger special that's 25 power, it becomes 35 power, all of which is multiplied by something like aphro. Whereas if you have pos, you just add his damage to the base damage

[distant ocean]

so basically 30% multiplicative damage for...5 fire boons

how much does slip add, by itself

[cursive oyster]

5% additive

[distant ocean]

How much does wave flourish add by itself

[honest lodge]

depends on level

[cursive oyster]

15-60 flat based on rarity/level

and you’re acting like adding fire boons to your build is a waste

[distant ocean]

it is~

[cursive oyster]

hearth gain the fireball cast scorch cast volcanic flourish and assorted heph boons

solar ring

apollo sprint iirc

[honest lodge]

but there's a limit to how many boons can get you more damage. If you do the math, the hestia infusion can add more total damage but it's a bigger investment. Pos is generally more boon efficient for sure. If you aren't getting many boons in a run it's gonna fare better. And to really get the damage out of that infusion you need heph for his good fire boons as well, so you really have to build into it

[distant ocean]

yeah, but zeus runs cast builds

and poseidon's got a better hearthgain :^)

[civic ocean]

It's also worth pointing out that there isn't a single Fire based boon in the game that gives you %damage increases, IIRC

[tall notch]

Is there a cheatsheet of elements each god has access to?

[civic ocean]

Did someone make the wheel

[honest lodge]

In theory if you run something like hestia, heph, hera, you can grab martial arts infusion too.

but again all this is theory and getting all this in a run is pretty difficult to do relative to just grabbing pos lol

[hollow dove]

Anyone got opinions on the best aspect for each weapon? I haven't played much of the skulls or torches, but thanatos, melinoe for sister blades, and moros all feel really good to me

[cursive oyster]

do you mean momus

moros is a torch aspect

[hollow dove]

Yes that's what I meant

[civic ocean]

I have a guide written for Pan that uses Slow Cooker with Heph and Hestia and then Spiteful Strength from Hera and Heph

[honest lodge]

pan and momus are generally considered really strong. Eos on torch is good, thanatos and mel are good for axe

[honest lodge]

nice. Have you done a run where you got them all? How good was it?

[zenith bolt]

momus, pan, eos, thanatos, medea is what i use

[civic ocean]

I did 32 sub 20 minutes with Apollo instead of Hera, but that run only won because of Hook Knives I think

[honest lodge]

yeah I've had to do that. I really think apollo should incerase range on dagger special

[civic ocean]

You could try doing it with Apollo legendary but that's a lot to try and put together

[zenith bolt]

honestly spirit bubbles eos is very real

[distant ocean]

thanatos is bugged with one of it's better hammers right now, mel daggers aren't strong enough and don't do anything unique enough, I hear moros is bugged aswell but it seems okay, it's just not Mel or Eos which I consider better.

[zenith bolt]

not as good as born gain but pretty solid in its own regard

[honest lodge]

I've never managed to get the apollo legendary lol

[jovial cove]

yeah apollo's range seems to kinda not work for some attacks

[civic ocean]

I think it's core on Mel torches

[hollow dove]

You can get some really big damage with Mel daggers if your positioning is good

[distant ocean]

apollo's range should be buffed, on melee esp :]

[jovial cove]

axe gets good range from apollo

[honest lodge]

all the mel aspects are pretty solid, which is nice for aspects that don't need NMare

[civic ocean]

In theory Mel daggers should be very good with triple H

[jovial cove]

but like torches just get slightly bigger ghosts ooo spooky

[honest lodge]

in theory you can even get coarse grit with triple H

[distant ocean]

It's additive backstab damage, on a weapon that's hammers give 500~600% additive damage, it's basically nothing and it's positioning conditional, no reason not to artemis or pan, if you have a conditional you might aswell get the most out of it

[jovial cove]

who is triple H

[civic ocean]

If you try for Demeter in fields ye

[civic ocean]

Heph hestia hera

[honest lodge]

all three infusions with like 6 earth and 6+ fire is incredible in theory

[jovial cove]

ty

[hollow dove]

What's a good boon for eos torches? Going to try them for a run.

[honest lodge]

triple H is also a professional wrestler haha

[civic ocean]

I wonder how good that trio is on Medea actually because that aspect in theory uses the base attack and special a lot

[honest lodge]

torches do higher base damage tho right? what like 50?

[tall notch]

I think for these infusion stack builds you'd need to highroll chaos and narcissus

[distant ocean]

when we say very good in here do we mean very good after 40 minutes of praying

Lol

[honest lodge]

very likely haha

[civic ocean]

I'm not so sure, because Hermes also gives Earth and Fire

Maybe if you were trying to do Slow Cooker and coarse grit, but I think it's totally reasonable to hit Hera and Hestia's infusions in the 3 god build

[tall notch]

Hera attack is solid and personally I am a fan of passion dash

[honest lodge]

hence the huge caveat. That while these combos are capable of insane damage in theory it's kind of god run territiory and not that reliable

[distant ocean]

Hitching on attack is great, but I do prefer her sprint to hitch

[civic ocean]

I'm not sold that they're unreliable tbh

[honest lodge]

only one is fire for hermes and I think only a couple are earth. Most are air

[civic ocean]

Like I don't think I've ever done a run with Vow of Forasking active and said "I want to build around Slow Cooker" and ended with less than 5-6 fire

[distant ocean]

the build is one duo one infusion and one legendary ye?

[civic ocean]

I think it's just Spiteful Strength and Slow Cooker

[tall notch]

This setup you're cooking up here reminds me of the passion dash start into hestia attack and air quality I was playing around with a few days ago. Incredibly hard to set up but pays off hard

[honest lodge]

but between heph and hestia there are a dozen or so viable fire boons in that build.

[distant ocean]

alright, one duo one infusion's is easier but still a little bit directed

[spare kite]

actually quick question, what's your tier of hammers for eos

[honest lodge]

which one is air quality?

[civic ocean]

Zeus

[distant ocean]

I can get behind it just because heph and hera but spiteful doesn't seem necessary, long as you just get hera damage pomed a bit and if you're starting like this you're goign for a god keepsake so getting an early heroic isn't out of the question either

[civic ocean]

Spiteful Strength seems like the easiest duo in the game to get

[honest lodge]

what is air quality actually good on tho? It seems like most things do more damage than 30

[civic ocean]

Scorch, Cyclones, Chain Lightning, Support Fire

[honest lodge]

how does it work with scorch?

[civic ocean]

We don't know the exact numbers, but "very well"

[honest lodge]

I'm guessing it makes each tick do 30. Not sure how fast it ticks

[distant ocean]

potentially from observations it can add 200 dps

[tired fulcrum]

It increases the internal ticks to deal 30 damage yeah

[distant ocean]

to scorch, which is good for scorch

[tender flint]

can anyone please give me an actual good build for staff I hate the weapon all its aspects feel bad and the omega moves just arent it a liner line and a balll its horrible

[zenith bolt]

ok just finished my test of spirit bubbles for eos. 100% real

[jovial cove]

yeah it's like a 30-60 times damage increase depending on air quality quality

[tall notch]

Clean Candle* > Furious Fire > Sustained Fire

• not clean candle if I'm running heartrobs, that hammer is a liability for the heartrob build

[forest veldt]

can play momus specal spam w/ pos special or a generic cast build

[honest lodge]

even at 4 ticks per second it's tripling the damage output of scorch. Does it remove 30 from the scorch pool per tick, or only the normal amount?

[zenith bolt]

no split fire

[hybrid radish]

born gain / weed whacker + hammer that causes omega to hit sideways or twice

[tired fulcrum]

It doesnt appear to affect scorch stack consumption

[tall notch]

I just don't like it, feels awkward to use

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message here's a run where I used the Melinoe Staff and just got scorch on cast+special

100k scorch damage and I didn't use scorch for damage until Scylla pretty much

[distant ocean]

level spect of momus asap : )

[zenith bolt]

anyway, finally got my fated list down to these three https://i.imgur.com/7Dh3DW7.png

[honest lodge]

born again isn't good with weed wacker tho. Hearthgain is great cause often weed wacker will affect every cast

[tender flint]

i have it maxed its the only weapon i have not one with once I dont get enough boons or hammers to make it feel good in erebus I get a total of 2 boons from the entire section

[zenith bolt]

1st is not finishable, 2nd is extremely rng based (i think??), 3rd is impossible to finish thanks to bugs

[distant ocean]

nothing is as strong in erebus, nothing has as good of a start as momus lol

That's why only momus can approach very high fear at all, you might want to consider the rest of your build like arcana cards, are you using huntress fully?

[tender flint]

yeah eos does axe does even blink dagger

[distant ocean]

it really doesn't lol

[civic ocean]

by very high it's meant like over 40 right

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[civic ocean]

Because I think every aspect in the game can consistently do 32 if you practice

[distant ocean]

everything but arcana cards.

[honest lodge]

so when you run this combo do you intentionally stop the self healing at under 30% HP?

[civic ocean]

you don't click the self healing button at all

you use your uzi and you start blasting

[honest lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[civic ocean]

unironically this is Momus gameplay

[distant ocean]

you don't get hit when you're good. you don't need self healing. there's a vow that disables it even lol but that's for strength, which is also good

[civic ocean]

Notable that Momus heals through the vow

[zenith bolt]

not my fastest fight but im also leveling keepsakes https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1241513210134401074/spirit_bubbles_are_real.mp4?ex=664a78c7&is=66492747&hm=efd1887cbdf59e463e92d673c4fb08d7b103045b848e38c899bbd80a4e5e621c&

[distant ocean]

so does centaur and things that add max hp

[civic ocean]

Yeah I believe that is consistent from the previous game

[distant ocean]

yeah

[tired fulcrum]

Guan yu healed through lc4

[livid tartan]

Huh. So axe can't block Hecate's ring. Or the sheep curse. #LessonsLearned

[civic ocean]

Only one thing is strong enough to block the curse

[livid tartan]

Best boi frog

[mystic bison]

Thoughts on Artificer?

[civic ocean]

Really good I feel

[distant ocean]

froggo

yeah, frog is awesome, I think frog potential bis

[honest lodge]

you're much better at not getting hit by chonos than I am lol

[distant ocean]

frog also destroys chronis orbies

[mystic bison]

6 grasp is alot tho.. and for 3 chances only?

[civic ocean]

Hard to tell exactly how good Artificer is but I think it's worth the grasp atm

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/sZmFs5V.png

[mystic bison]

You lose alot of dmg for that 6 grasp I feel

[short crescent]

when selecting a boon with Prime. is the Prime magick limit removed after entering the next location? and you keep the bonus of the boon in the new location too?

[civic ocean]

I think if you calculate the average value artificer gives you it is probably more than 6 grasp worth of cards for your run

[mystic bison]

6 grasp = huntress and origination (-100%dmg)

[livid tartan]

Ugh I'm having a rough time trying to do 20h with Axe

[honest lodge]

probably more worth it if going for one of those builds we discussed that scales well of lots of boons. But I do feel like it might be overcosted

[livid tartan]

Using Thanatos, I guess?

[distant ocean]

how often are you attacking into origination.

[civic ocean]

Something weird is happening where the magic primed by selecting boons is being overwritten by Centaur, I believe

[tender flint]

so whats so good about momus i am using it and its whatever its just a slightly better staff

[green wren]

flat on special

[honest lodge]

with the right build all the time lol

[distant ocean]

And how often are you wasting frames casting origination lol, it's not just 50% additive, there's a condition that you need boons to activate, boons that you won't have without artificer potentially

[livid tartan]

pew pew pew

[green wren]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-wizard-delete-this-gun-gif-14009553

[zenith bolt]

hmm artificer + excellence + divinity sounds like it would be cool

[mystic bison]

It depends on the setup but if you have a curse on attack and a another on cast, origination proc happens pretty much always

[civic ocean]

Right now I run it over Furies Runner and Origination on many builds that go for infusions, legendaries, or duos.

If one charge of Artificer hits a pom that basically covers Furies, Swift Runner I actually cannot tell the difference between on or off, and Origination is IMO one of the most overrated arcanas in the game atm

[zenith bolt]

issue is i dont think i can get divinity like this without giving up something more essential

[livid tartan]

hmm, 3DDs down after Hecate. Guess that's a restart

[honest lodge]

so like pos with slip and hestia or demeter cast for instance

[tender flint]

i cant even get to hecate and pos on momus i can see but the weapon itself is lacking

[zenith bolt]

if i give up lovers there's this i guess https://i.imgur.com/PscaNQS.jpeg

[tender flint]

with 32 heat

[distant ocean]

unless you can flip the gamer switch

[zinc epoch]

wich build is good for moros aspect

[zenith bolt]

but giving up lovers is kinda really bad i think

[distant ocean]

i unno, probably hera special and pos/aphro/apollo atk :B

[zenith bolt]

if i drop excellence i can get fates + lovers which is good enough maybe?

[tired fulcrum]

Nah https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217110523091357747/1240086037137723493/Screenshot_153.png?ex=6649e4de&is=6648935e&hm=75fca991db4c6ca1e728f225c7c99b6779ea9061fe32b3663ed4b0239f6f6fd9&

[zenith bolt]

rate the arcana https://i.imgur.com/1U2V2Gl.jpeg

[mystic bison]

How does Artificer even work does the game randomly choose 3 minor yield rooms out of the whole run and turns them into major or what?

About swift runner, the dash iframes seem to be the same whether its on or off, the sprint speed is negligible I guess

I only take that if there's nothing else I can fit

And why do you think origination is overrated?

[livid tartan]

You need the double shot hammer

That and POS special turns you into a Gatling Gun

[tender flint]

I dont get hammers or boons in ffricking erebus anymore I literally just got to hecate with zero boons

I even have pos keepsake and no boons

[distant ocean]

definitely, lovers is how you trade through some of the bull crap

[zenith bolt]

lovers on chronos is like 100+ damage you avoid taking

[livid tartan]

And a solid way to get privilege status

[tired fulcrum]

Dont take onion then lol

[zenith bolt]

not to mention every other boss

[meager forge]

Anyone got good builds for the skulls, and how to play it?

[tender flint]

im not

[meager forge]

I'm having a bit of a hard time figuring out how it works

[distant ocean]

or not losing dps time on trying to avoid some things

chronos is slowly becomign the easiest part of the game lol

[faint shale]

Finally had run with an attack build for the torches 😭 wouldve been nice if had the right aspect on https://imgur.com/fQfHniQ

[ionic moon]

how is divinity arcana viable with vow of arrogance? I am struggling to keep my mana

[distant ocean]

for alot of people, chronos already is the easiest part of the game, but lovers is still important

[civic ocean]

When picking up the minor find, you press the button and it rolls it into a major find

The biggest downside of Artificer is that it can give you things you don't want - obviously if you're playing Momus you don't run Artificer because you don't want health or mana

But on many weapons like Axe or Torches a mana pot is a bigger dps increase than a pom

[mystic bison]

Does lovers counter vow of suffering?

[civic ocean]

I think Divinity and Excellence are bad with that vow maxed. To be avoided

[zenith bolt]

i guess the issue here is losing centaur kinda sucks

[timber pawn]

no

[zenith bolt]

i think excellence is fine but divinity is probably worth avoiding with vow of arrogance

[ionic moon]

yeah that's what I've started doing, just didn't know if I'm missing some trick

[ivory panther]

can we also discuss what vows are best to take here? im startin to need 20 and higher while killing chronos.... and im struggling

[civic ocean]

I think you want 10 rerolls pretty much non-negotiably

[zenith bolt]

this is kinda funky but im a fan https://i.imgur.com/fjKHuV5.jpeg

[distant ocean]

no but trusty shield basically removes that card for the whole run

[civic ocean]

Also if you take Boatman you can probably still buy a boon from the first shop of the run that you want one in which is pretty crucial

[tender flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1241516363512680621/20240518152210_1.jpg?ex=664a7bb7&is=66492a37&hm=6c93b852d7a881b52372e71c2ee5594b1f905697fd16d24dd25515ed9e5ad00c& this is the heat I have for 32. and this is arcana https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1241516363781111941/20240518152133_1.jpg?ex=664a7bb7&is=66492a37&hm=d4ea054ca3b6bfd3755db8a1cf9bfbf8f5931df876e6924e5fd8deb24978d9a6&

[civic ocean]

Man how do I post images

[zenith bolt]

origination over huntress

[tired fulcrum]

Where huntress

And why arent you taking the free momus vows

[tender flint]

why would I need huntress for momus you dont cast or use omega

[zenith bolt]

i use sharex (basically just snipping tool+) and have it upload images to imgur

[civic ocean]

take the vow that sets your mana to 0

boom instant huntress

[tired fulcrum]

Literally freest damage imaginable

[zenith bolt]

huntress is pretty non-negotiable i think

[tender flint]

theres no point in huntress for a weapon where you dont use mana

[tired fulcrum]

Sus

[zenith bolt]

very few situations in which it doesnt have 100% uptime

[distant ocean]

lol, there's nothing but point in huntress.

[civic ocean]

Oh interesting I think huntress is pretty bad except on Momus and Medea

[tired fulcrum]

Read the arcana

[distant ocean]

Trust us brother O u O Momussy likes the huntress.

[zenith bolt]

you're pretty much always spending magick somewhere on the weapons that aren't those two

like 99/100 is still less than 100%

[tired fulcrum]

But other weapons spam omegas and it doesnt affect omegas

[zenith bolt]

does it not? wtf

[civic ocean]

Yeah but I intend to continue to use the moves that spend mana, and IIRC huntress doesn't boost those?

[zenith bolt]

my life is a lie

[tall notch]

Only normal attack and special

[civic ocean]

Yeah Huntress only works on non-omegas

[tired fulcrum]

"Attack and special" non plural

[tender flint]

when you have less than 100% mana your attack increase dmg but you dont use mana that wont be active on momus

[zenith bolt]

on god it would really help if they didn't rely on plurals for this

[civic ocean]

Read "Vow of Panic"

[tired fulcrum]

We literally told you about the vow

[distant ocean]

take the vow of panic that reduces your magick to 0% every room.

[spare kite]

explosive intent from icarus feels like explosive return on eos

[zenith bolt]

it's incredibly easy to miss

[glossy sable]

how exactly does aspect of persephone work? like it says "any damage" but clearly i can't just hit one skull and get the omega special buff, so is it like a cooldown or something? ik there's a ui icon but i never see it filled up, only partially completed, so is that bugged or smthn

[zenith bolt]

hmm maybe this setup is the one i go for then https://i.imgur.com/Vs2jYFB.jpeg

[zenith bolt]

the meter just takes 50 years to go up

[distant ocean]

call it a bug and report it till it's buffed and we can live in wee~

[ionic moon]

my guy, you have been asking for advice on momus (one of the most well-understood builds so far) and then rejecting whatever people tell you about it

[livid tartan]

Oof I like my slowdown too much for anything not momus. Or Eos I guess

[tired fulcrum]

It just fills up super slowly for some reason

[glossy sable]

i see

cuz im definitely able to get the buffed special before its filled... lol

[zenith bolt]

i think for specifically axe i would switch swift runner to sorceress

but for everything else i'm either not channeling or don't need sorceress

[green wren]

does the returning dagger hammer count as another dagger for the +flat per dagger hit hammer?

[livid tartan]

Can anyone please recommend a good Axe build curse load out for 20 heat? I'm about to rage quit this testament for now

[civic ocean]

I think you should turn on 10 rerolls, it's very powerful

[distant ocean]

i'm trading the rare card for str, and the titan and healing for death or huntress depending on build

[livid tartan]

Me and Axe just don't seem to see eye to eye

[distant ocean]

but there's nothing wrong with your setup at all

[zenith bolt]

just drop excellence for it?

[civic ocean]

Aye

[livid tartan]

I've been trying to run Aphro attack on Thanatos and it's not happening

[zenith bolt]

axe spin without sorceress feels awful

chronos is fine bc he has openings so he doesnt count

[distant ocean]

ww without furious charge is just a really bad weapon

[civic ocean]

Sorceress is necessary on everything that uses Omegas IMO

[zenith bolt]

eos doesnt need it

[civic ocean]

If you're doing 40% speed I mean

[zenith bolt]

for pan i can usually get by but yea true

[tender flint]

nah yall gaslighting me into believing staff is good I got huntress active but it doesnt clear rooms it does no dmg to people compared to other weapons early this thing just does not enough i rather play on torches then it

[zenith bolt]

bait used to be believable

[civic ocean]

What level is your Aspect of Momus

[distant ocean]

lolol, okay doonk, you should maybe check out aspect of circe instead

[green wren]

his fishing rod is upgraded to lvl 3

[distant ocean]

the most op staff in da game, what do you usually use @tender flint ? what is your generally preferred method of Dispatch?

[tired fulcrum]

Momus huntress is literally 60 damage without any boons

[glossy sable]

oh i get it now, meter = time spent extending the special why tf does the description say it gives a flat +5 seconds lmao that makes no goddamn sense

[tired fulcrum]

Also your pact sucks

[civic ocean]

what's this?

[glossy sable]

persephone

[civic ocean]

oh yeah I think Persephone is meant to be stored for Bosses

[zenith bolt]

Makes your Special last up to +5 Sec.