h2-builds-and-combat

[shy summit]

enjoying those torches a little less now

[bleak night]

Play Pink Aura for the memes

[spare kite]

The real plan is waiting for better fear options to be added

[bleak night]

Yeah, EM, MM, boon purging

[zenith bolt]

i was onto axe spin pretty quickly

[shy summit]

just got my first 32 fear win with momus, posted in #h2-victory-boasting

with an absurd lvl 13 wave flourish

busted fr

[strange kite]

jesus i just had the worst pan run in my entire life.

[spare kite]

BP in this game sounds cursed
Imagine the infinite fish rooms with like cloners

[strange kite]

the game REFUSED to give me poseidon special and i only got it in oceanus and at common

[bleak night]

I am now run 12 into trying to get the Luigi Kill

[spare kite]

Revenge build?

[bleak night]

Yes

[shy summit]

I've recently been using the arcana that lets you turn minor finds into major ones. Extremely helpful for when the game decides to be stingy with boons

[civic ocean]

aight I low rolled and ended up with 483 hp

[bleak night]

Are you trying to do revenge builds ?

[civic ocean]

no just trying to see how high the hp can go

[bleak night]

Highest mine went was like 390

Not running Aphro tho

[strange kite]

oh and i only got 1 hammer + experimental hammer

game was like nah u cant have anything

[shy summit]

I got the nemesis +50 max health trade in my last run
got to 424 somehow

[zenith bolt]

im beginning to think divinity is just putting too much strain on choices for arcana
this is an idea i came up with for non-divinity https://i.imgur.com/29ivyzD.jpeg

swift runner switches to sorceress for axe

[civic ocean]

what is divinity

[lusty heron]

probabyl the epic boon that needs a row of cards

[jovial cove]

is crit good for poseidon

[distant ocean]

hera sprint*is so good 🙂

[mild sparrow]

Did anyone do a sprint only final boss clear

Like with Zeus Sprint

[plain fossil]

ive done low heat ones yeah

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/QUHQsOb.png

[plain fossil]

with zeus and heph

[meager bramble]

Is it just that I haven't learnt him yet, or is Chronos legitimately much harder than the rest of the game?

[mild sparrow]

Looking for ideas for builds and what keepsakes to run with, as well as weapon

[plain fossil]

na its just practice dw

[mild sparrow]

He’s way faster and way less telegraphed, and the beyblade almost seems unfair but once you get a hang of it it’s doable

[meager bramble]

Got there a few times but Phase 1 routinely smokes me - Phase 2 seems much easier but I always get there pre-ruined by phase 1

[mild sparrow]

But then again I’ve only peaked Fear 8

[plain fossil]

theres some unfair things in phase 2 sometimes but not enough to brick a run just enough to troll a death defiance every so often

[distant ocean]

plenty, I know mynt did a sprint build using demeter's sprint that cleared in about 40minutes using air quality to increase the dmg of the cyclone, inspired by east :B

[ashen sinew]

hello, any skull builds?

which aspect is the best?

[mild sparrow]

So it’s possible higher fear is harder

[civic ocean]

the really hard thing about chronos compared to the other fights in the series is that his timing changes throughout the fight - he speeds up then slows down then speeds up again

[mild sparrow]

If you can point me to the build and keepsake order and stuff that’d be great :Prayge:

[distant ocean]

are you under the water? 🙂

[zenith bolt]

chronos also just has a ton of attack variety throughout the fight, so it's a lot to learn

[plain fossil]

yea theres a lot of mechanics

[desert mountain]

I definitely think Medea is the most fun and probs strongest, so running Aphro on the primary is the way to go

[ashen sinew]

always has been, I can hear the sirens singing all the time

[plain fossil]

like if u dont know where to stand for frisbee thats like +150 damage taken in the fight

[pseudo pond]

Anyone found any good or op skull build atm? I found the base power of the weapon is pretty good, but haven’t found any great build yet

[distant ocean]

my man 🙂 Momus is probably the generally accepted strongest aspect

[meager bramble]

Frisbee is pretty rough - where do you stand for it? I get the impression that mid distance from Chronos is probably good, close but not right in his face?

[desert mountain]

Lords 32 fear has been screwing me over, anyone have a vow list that I should invoke to make it not absolute garbage?

[ashen sinew]

So momus with aphro, any other god boons I should look out for?

[civic ocean]

I wonder if I can hit 1k hp

[plain fossil]

u can stand in his face if u recognize the telegraph he moves his shoulders a bit before frisbee

[desert mountain]

Momus with poseidon, you can grab the chain lightning boon by Zeus to get more crowd control

[plain fossil]

then u just dash behind him

[distant ocean]

oh uh, i'm not sure, it was probably zeus > demeter tho but idk

[plain fossil]

imo frisbee is most dangerous when ur clearing adds and u might not be focusing on the boss

[meager bramble]

Behind is good, I've worked that out for suction scythe at least 😄

[plain fossil]

its quite hard to dodge on reaction to the audio cue

[distant ocean]

He did say that it wasn't very strong and that it was kind of a game of patience If I might paraphase

[shy summit]

momus+poseidon is so strong that I have a hard time justifying other aspects

[signal robin]

backstab on the blades goes crazy

[mild sparrow]

There’s no sprint damage increase in the game right 😭

[desert mountain]

I agree, it's disgustingly strong

[shy summit]

nerf incoming D:

[distant ocean]

not directly and aq can't crit so eh

[desert mountain]

Honestly don't mind it

[plain fossil]

man this automod kills me every four posts

[shy summit]

the question is which aspect of the momus + poseidon build will they nerf...
double shot? momus? or poseidon?

[distant ocean]

you're getting yo mouth washed out with soap fr fr.

[meager bramble]

Have you considering watching your language? 🙂

[desert mountain]

Shouldn't swear every 4 posts then 🙃

[plain fossil]

im not even saying anything i wouldnt say to ppl i liked irl lmao

[distant ocean]

that's fair and chill, we don't make the bots tho :T

[shy summit]

or they could just buff everything else that would be fine

[ashen timber]

Is there a trick to getting specific chaos boons/curses? Last couple runs ive been going for list completion, and I've still got Chaos's Barren curse, infusion and legendary boons to get. Got any tips for finding them?

[signal robin]

why can’t we curse, Melinoe is literally a witch smh

[desert mountain]

Honestly hard to pick, but I think Momus since double shot scales absurdly well, and is relatively balanced on the other aspects. Poseidon should stay the same since my man deserves the spotlight honestly

[civic ocean]

am I hallucinating or is it possible to get life aff from aphro floor 1

[distant ocean]

no way :Y

[signal robin]

I just threw my entire run because I forgot I had a chaos boon that damages me when i special

[plain fossil]

momus is for sure the nerf target, it makes the early game too consistent. if u nerf momus itself then u can still get christmasland runs like u do with pan daggers its just not something u can clean up early floors for free until u get ur build online

[shy summit]

momus makes everything more consistent

[zenith bolt]

if you ever find a way to get barren, let us know. i've grabbed chaos 2-3 times in the last 20 runs and not seen it

[desert mountain]

I swear, this would've been sub 20 if I wasn't goofing around
https://i.imgur.com/lBEeN6i.jpeg

[shy summit]

just did a 32 fear run without dying once with momus and I suck

[jovial cove]

the healing on momus is really good. It works with 0% health regen

[zenith bolt]

healing on momus requires spending magick which is like half the thing you use momus to avoid doing

[desert mountain]

Echo coming in with a free daedalus was insane

[civic ocean]

I did one for the guide I wrote first time ever playing Momus Poseidon at 32

Finished in 11 minutes

Yeah they both gotta be nerfed

[desert mountain]

Not both, Momus specifically should yes

[zenith bolt]

momus deserves a nerf and poseidon deserves to be looked at at least

[plain fossil]

poseidon is a potential nerf but i dont think its THAT op that it needs a whack in early beta

[jovial cove]

if you're good at the game sure.
but for people like me you can cheese through things you probably shouldn't with that healing

[ashen sinew]

dont have enough iron to unlock medea, where can i find them again

[shy summit]

I think poseidon is definitely balanced on everything else

[zenith bolt]

iron is rift of thessaly

[plain fossil]

well poseidon is also the thing that makes pan dagger runs cracked

[desert mountain]

Even Pan which makes poseidon super good is still pretty balanced

[jovial cove]

like momus is cracked even outside of posiedon chain lightning whatever combo

[shy summit]

here's the run I just did #h2-victory-boasting message

absolutely goofy

[zenith bolt]

you could nerf momus and pan (not as badly as momus) and leave poseidon untouched if poseidon isnt the problem

since momus and pan are the usual suspects for poseidon runs anyway

[shy summit]

i honestly forgot momus had healing lol

[civic ocean]

I suspect you would just do the same thing with nerfed Momus and it would work

[plain fossil]

i mean poseidon still scales better than %boosts for other setups like torches and whatnot

[desert mountain]

Level 13 is dummy crazy lmao

[plain fossil]

so i could see it, im not saying poseidon needs a nerf but its obviously top tier

[desert mountain]

How'd you even get that?

[zenith bolt]

momus without double moonshot is perfectly viable so yeah probably

[shy summit]

I just didn't pick up other boons for a while and got lucky with poms early on

then got a triple pom in tartarus

[desert mountain]

Bless that

[zenith bolt]

maybe the play is to just axe double moonshot bc honestly the only aspect that gets any benefit from it is momus anyway
circe isnt real 👍

[plain fossil]

i dont think double moonshot needs a nerf fwiw

[desert mountain]

We need pool of purging fr

[zenith bolt]

pool of purging makes spiteful strength go off

[plain fossil]

i like preserving the ability for these things to highroll

[shy summit]

im actually so pressed that this isn't in hades 2

[civic ocean]

it's broken for AQ Scorch too 🙂

[desert mountain]

Need to get rid of these useless boons

[plain fossil]

i just dont want every build to be a nearly guaranteed highroll

[shy summit]

especially because of how many anti-synergy and negative effect boons there are!

[zenith bolt]

AQ scorch feels like a bug but honestly it's the only thing scorch has going for it so whatever

[signal robin]

OH MY GOD FIRST DUO BOON

[desert mountain]

Hera's commonless boons is the biggest offender

[signal robin]

is natural selection good?

[zenith bolt]

no gold or max life/magick upgrades from locations
uhh

[split igloo]

Hey guys, I'm finally starting to look at the judgement arcana and keep trying to think of what are the best combinations for it, considering it only allows 3 others to begin with.
Anyone has any tips of the best 3 to use it with?
Also, do they trigger awakenings later on if you meet their requirements, and the opposite if you stop meeting them?

[zenith bolt]

cant even do 10 rerolls on judgment, 1984

[split igloo]

Yeah these genuinely hurt when you have like 1 singular common boon you don't even like too much

[shy summit]

I think it would be a lot stronger if there was a % falloff for each common boon or scaling with uncommon boons

[desert mountain]

Agreed

[zenith bolt]

first and foremost, judgment is bad
beyond that, titan + champions + fates maybe?

or like titan + champions + excellence

or titan + champions + artificer

[split igloo]

Yeah, I know it's bad, but it looks fun. I'm just thinking of what to do to mitigate how bad it is

But also, does anyone have the knowledge on the Awakening arcana thing?

Because honestly if it doesn't activate mid run it would be really sad

[desert mountain]

As in how it works?

[zenith bolt]

i think the 0 costs can just be acquired by judgment i dont think they activate from their usual requirements

[split igloo]

Oof

This definitely should be changed if it is that way

[zenith bolt]

eh it would mean queen would de-activate itself pretty quickly which is kinda sad

regardless it wouldnt really change that judgment just isn't good

[split igloo]

That's the thing tho, what if they could activate but not deactivate?

Would give judgement a bit more of a use case

[glossy rivet]

do i need heartthrob on eos torches or smth man

because making the torces come back i gotta dash at enemies to make it hit usually

but also why make torches need 24 fear instead of just 20 like the others aahgh

[hollow crypt]

I just do bottom left for max rerolls + Duo Chance + Judgement then start with White Antler

[jovial cove]

oh poseidon gave me double pom
double up is pog actually

[tough vapor]

I almost had eris wwith my axe, but right after the like 5% mega nuke buff she does, and I was preppinng an attack for wwhen she came out, but she dashed behind me and filled me with lead

[distant ocean]

a near w

next time for sure

[bleak night]

I'll take a break from Revenge runs

Not getting the luck I need

[signal robin]

beach ball duo is fire

chose the previous night boom from echo, got furnace blast, but I don’t have a single other Hephaestus boon so it’s useless lol

[zenith bolt]

hmm tomorrow i think ill try spirit bubbles eos and see if that's workable

the issue is idk if eos really benefits from poseidon that much

[zenith bolt]

10 rerolls isnt doable with judgment though

you activate 4 cards (the fates, the boatman, the seer, the champions)

im pretty sure judgment deactivated when i tried it earlier

[delicate terrace]

poseidon and zeus are my lifesavers and i'll thank them for my first 32 fear run w

[signal robin]

does taking an alternate path in Tartarus reset the chronos counter?

[tough vapor]

I did actually get it the next time, zues special, apollo cast, giga cleaver, charon axe. I felt like I was smiting fools. with eris I had to do the gamer posture and played around one of the pillar things to get her to sit still without me being hit to screw her up

[nocturne gate]

For the infusion, you basically have to get a duo boon as quickly as possible as the element is gives (the pink circle) is a requirement. As for Barren, I've had no luck and it doesn't seem that fitness and...prowess(?) are in the game yet

[delicate terrace]

it does not

[zenith bolt]

no, it just doesn't make it go down either

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message almost at 700, I think 1k is doable, I got very few double ups

I think the luigi run is possible with insane luck

[ionic lily]

you can, 0 grasp arcana doesnt count towards judgment's 3 card limit

[zenith bolt]

huh maybe i had another card active by accident then

my excuse is it's 3am

[crystal zealot]

Anyone know how to unlock Chronos pause? I already have 30/30 testaments completed and still haven't unlocked it

[ionic lily]

did you try pausing during a chronos fight?

[zenith bolt]

i unlocked after trying to pause about 5 times in the fight

doesnt appear if you dont try to pause

the 3 zodiac sand req for it is so BM but w/e

[ionic lily]

I had previously beaten kronos multiple times but never paused, and the incantation only appear after I tried pausing during the fight

[sudden relic]

Dudes, glorious disaster are working?

I take his special but couldn't tell the difference

[crystal zealot]

Ah no wonder, I haven't tried pausing since the first time

[little geyser]

Are you currently not able to upgrade Toula using the Witch's Delight?

[shell swan]

Only once per night

[little geyser]

Oh, so if I give some to Frinos I can't give any to Toula?

[tough vapor]

I do find it annoying that you can make 2 biscuits a nnight but cant feed both to one pet

[shell swan]

you should be able to give one to each pet each every night

[distant ocean]

alright, well whatever, aino hope for melee pushing high fear.

actual high fear, not 32 is trophies.

it's just gd impossible.

[little geyser]

Oh yeah, I just gave her one now. I guess for some reason I just couldn't give her any before. Thanks

[shell swan]

might just be the pets seem to have weird interaction detection

[vagrant wadi]

I haven't even got to chronos phase 2 yet I'm no good anymore boys, what's the general consensus on boons? Seems like Zeus is weak except for lighting cast, Demeter is great now?

Did Crit builds just get completely gutted lmao?

[distant ocean]

demeter is good for beginners who need coarse grit to not die

and for applying two curse slows for origination which hardly help in most situations

[vagrant wadi]

Never picked it 6 rock seems so hard

[distant ocean]

up here in the nosebleeds

[vagrant wadi]

I kind of ignore the synergy lmao

[distant ocean]

on your cast, which is strong again for people starting out with zero access to any other damage

demeter is granny she has sweets for you that are yummy, but sweets rot your teeth eventually

[tired fulcrum]

Nah crit builds are op because of antler keepsake. Only problem is you have to not die

[haughty depot]

static shock is also nuts on a lot of builds

[waxen grail]

Has anyone managed to achieve 100% Chaos?

[distant ocean]

what the honk does 100% chaos mean

[tired fulcrum]

All of chaos' boons ig

[ionic lily]

I'm guessing you mean fated list for chaos boons?

[vagrant wadi]

Ahhh that requirement seems absurd

[distant ocean]

oh, right, nah, haven't even gotten dd from him let alone the burden

[waxen grail]

In the prophecy of Chaos for the Benediction I'm missing 2 that I really can't find

[vagrant wadi]

I want to try the chaos keepsake soon too but I feel like rotating chaos boons are just too much to deal with mentally

[haughty depot]

are we supposed to get the prerequisite list ingame for every boon eventually?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah, cauldron thingy, think the prereq is get all god keepsakes

[distant ocean]

you'll get the boon offering portion of the codex eventually

[vagrant wadi]

No I mean the "stay under 30%"

[distant ocean]

nah that's really good early on, starting with a god keepsake you know works for your build tho is usualyly the way

[haughty depot]

i like mean how in 1 you could see what the exact requirements were to roll each legendary

[distant ocean]

it's stay at or below 30hp which is possible by just not taking any health, including frinos

[distant ocean]

oh iunno then

[tired fulcrum]

That exists. Just press a button

[waxen grail]

I have already finished all the prophecies I only miss the one of Chaos

[tired fulcrum]

Boon prereqs are hidden unless you press a button to show em cuz idk

[vagrant wadi]

For only 20% Crit doesn't really seem that good tbh

[forest veldt]

can also get 100 and just sit on 30 hp after damaging. makes easier bc can take card for -50% dmg taken and +50% dmg. so have 60 effective instead

[tired fulcrum]

Max is 40% which is approx a 1.8x boost to your average dps

[vagrant wadi]

Well yeah but why not just do that without taking the antler hehehe

[forest veldt]

wym?

[tired fulcrum]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U5HS7aK0ekTcbXHgd8EBK7NeW02dnoI4C4ieg8VvwRU/https/i.imgur.com/XYZaquC.mp4 like its a lot of added deeps

[vagrant wadi]

Like take a buff but don't take antler

[forest veldt]

not sure what u mean, they synergise well bc both want low hp. the 30% and 30hp line up at 100 is all

[vagrant wadi]

I dunno build synergy just doesn't seem as immediately obvious compared to h1, like when I'm doing a run sometimes I'll just feel like it's a deadend way more

[tired fulcrum]

Strength also affects armor

[tired fulcrum]

Same tbh

[forest veldt]

really, didn't know that. thats rly good

[distant ocean]

yeah for sure, i've been doing strength and antler strats

[forest veldt]

its my fav setup, maybe not best but super comfy compared to perma 30 runs

[distant ocean]

still doesn't feel safe enough to dive on to the that one shadow boss in erebus with artemis lol

i'm good at dodging but sometimes it feels like those attacks just linger

[forest veldt]

the spike guy? only miniboss thats sketchy for me is fields dracula guy

[distant ocean]

dracula guy?

[forest veldt]

vampire? the one w/ the yellow mobs around it

[distant ocean]

the chick that fires thorns at ya?

[tired fulcrum]

The one that succs

And heals

[forest veldt]

oh ya, she can be rought. i just tank the hits and try to get armor off for stuns

[distant ocean]

oh right, in the fields lol

[forest veldt]

he melts me

[ionic lily]

Oh lol, was trying to figure out why you called it a vampire

[distant ocean]

i thought we were still talking erebus

[forest veldt]

lol is he not?

[distant ocean]

yeah he can be a bit of an issue

the gorgon boss not so much

[forest veldt]

no she isn't too bad only annoying part is the mist that slows

[distant ocean]

i hate the yellow puff ball mobs in the fields themselves more than them

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl i think gorgon is worse on a low damage melee build

[forest veldt]

the ones that suck you in are so annoying

[distant ocean]

they stun, and suck, illegal,very illegal.

no touchy touchy.

[tired fulcrum]

For some reason gorgon can just insta fo2 slam over and over again

[distant ocean]

that can be annoying for melee...

[forest veldt]

that happened to me once, luckly wasn't melee

[distant ocean]

but what isn't : )

[tired fulcrum]

Vamp dude feels more telegraphed and its easy to just bait the succ or his rushes then backstab him

[forest veldt]

tru, but he hurts if u try to just dps him like other bosses

[distant ocean]

I never really have issue with em cuz by the time you're there you're pretty stacked anyway usually

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah like gorgon can just be evaporated sometimes

[forest veldt]

ya once u get armor off she pops

[plain fossil]

Vamp dude got massively nerfed this patch right im not going crazy

The suck has no duration now

[forest veldt]

haven't done enough runs to notice

[distant ocean]

when do ya'll think the first balance patch will happen

[tired fulcrum]

Idk aint that a buff, i want the succ to be longer

[distant ocean]

or is stuff like that just likely to be backburner until full release?

[tired fulcrum]

They said theyre working on balance patch rn

[plain fossil]

Well it makes the boss easier if u dont know what it does and harder if u do lul

[distant ocean]

dope I should keep up with socials more : l

[plain fossil]

Id be ok with content over balance for now but hey its an early access game if they wanna spend some time on balance its not gonna kill me

[distant ocean]

get your sub 6minute momus runs in now?

[tired fulcrum]

Like succ just lets you do free hits and he cant run away during it

[distant ocean]

< u >

[bleak night]

Can't wait to play Than Axe with Psychic Whirlwind without the bug

[forest veldt]

are there sub 6 yet? only seen the sub 6:30

[plain fossil]

Yea no i get it its like i said above

[forest veldt]

thats what i'm looking forward most to, also think throw is bugged

[distant ocean]

Bruh, you should do full pink build with fixed than

Apollo leg and all lol that'd be sick

[bleak night]

The Advancing one? Yeah it's bugged as well for the same reason + it's kinda turbo trash because you can't dodge while it happens.

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1241309937854845009/Screenshot_20240518_014043_Discord.jpg?ex=6649bb77&is=664869f7&hm=ce0db7072573060ad94bc811ce5712b385cd65ca39506eea0a9183217add295d&

[forest veldt]

ya, guess would need psychic as well

[distant ocean]

woo, faith!

[bleak night]

I feel like the Than Whirlwind bug would be less of a balance patch and more of a shadowdropped patch like they did 12 hours ago for the Blades bounties

[distant ocean]

it would also just be neat if we could map omegas to individual keys so we don't have wind up everything with superfulous air attacking.

[bleak night]

More of a bugfix than a change

[distant ocean]

it really wrecks the flow of combat tbh.

[forest veldt]

were there notes for that? didn't see any

[bleak night]

None, but it fixed the bounties nonetheless

[tired fulcrum]

I just want dash strikes to not get overriden by the standing combo on daggers and staff

[tired turret]

we all know hook knives is super strong with poseidon special right?

[ionic lily]

I wish there was a way to hold down rightclick for momus without starting omega charge

[tired turret]

So when i got it with hook knives, and it was heroic... well i knew this would be a fun run...

[forest veldt]

they r good, but pretty sure bountiful or spiral is better. only w/ pan tho

[tired turret]

yeah but check out my luck on this #h2-victory-boasting message

[forest veldt]

r u on controller?

[ionic lily]

nope mouse and keyboard

[forest veldt]

only option is a macro i think, can share if u need

[forest veldt]

dang looks good, haven't had many runs w/ heroic pos spec

[ionic lily]

oh im good thanks haha

[forest veldt]

kk, glgl

[tired turret]

well im specced into the epic boon chance

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl i kinda hate hestia/poseidon duo now

[tired turret]

why?

[forest veldt]

only good wo/ 2 curses i think

[tired fulcrum]

It consumes slip but doesnt count as a curse

[ionic lily]

oh yeah hook knives is really good on mel aspect for the guaranteed backstab

[forest veldt]

might be a bug or oversight. i'd imagine that steam should be a curse

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah like unless you have a 3rd curse it literally lowers your dps

[hollow dove]

What are the best boons for each weapon? Aphro for sister blades is what I assumed but then I don't know. Demeter for axe? Poseiden for staff?

[forest veldt]

demeter i guess, or a dash. still feels odd

[tired fulcrum]

Demeter is more for axe cast

You dont want her on your main damage source because low %

[ionic lily]

also it depends on which aspect you're using

[forest veldt]

many hits = poseidon. close range = aphro, anything else if flex for whatever u want since all % dmg and are more about their curses / support boons. wouldn't use blitz unless medea i think

[bleak night]

I'd say Apollo is great for artillery with no multihit so you can work toward the Legendary

[midnight bay]

Yeah appolo is great for Skull and axe

[forest veldt]

thanatos w/ psychic and apollo legandary will be nuts when bugfixed since overlaps casts

[bleak fox]

Hello everyone
Am I the only one who feel impossible to make a build around Hestia's burning (or possible only with the explosions) due to very low cap of burning per second?

[distant ocean]

yep yep yep, I might try to make it work since thanatos with apollo attack is basically a ranged weapon lol

[forest veldt]

can use the detonate one but its still not great from what i've seen

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus' air quality works on scorch ticks for some reason, tbh prob the best option

[midnight bay]

They're gonna buff hestia for that.. rn hestia on attack or technique is just meh

[bleak night]

Thanatos with Psychic Whirl + Advancing Whirl for Guan Yu lmao

[forest veldt]

ya its nice even outsdie of the omgea. will be super fun

[distant ocean]

the only issue is still how slow axes are lol

[tired fulcrum]

Fire extinguisher hestia is just worse/cope splash

[forest veldt]

ya thats going to be super fun to play

[distant ocean]

you can't play omega axe until you have furious charge or atleastarchane channeling

it's just not possible lol

[bleak fox]

Yep-yep
Fully agree 😄
Also currently has no idea how the burning doubling by freeze can help for those builds
Even with the leg perc of Hestia damage is still not high

[forest veldt]

haven't messed around w/ it enough. would be annoying to lose a hammer for charge

[bleak night]

Axe would be better if you had an instance of invulnerability while charging when it can sense multiple enemies nearby, or something

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah hestia boons need reworking

[bleak night]

As it is, you're vulnerable while charging that thing up, slowdown or not

[distant ocean]

give her sprint righteous fire and make it scale off of HP, too, pleeeassse

[forest veldt]

ya, know the special omega feels super punishing w/ delay between block and cast

[bleak night]

The delay either shouldn't exist or the blocking shouldn't be dropped as you do the shield blast

As it is rn, it feels terrible to use

[tired fulcrum]

Or just make omega special on release instead of automatic

[forest veldt]

agree, think the blocking could be incorporated into both moves to make consistent and overall better. may be a little op tho

[tired fulcrum]

Like it shouldnt be just completely safe but at least controllable

[forest veldt]

didn't see that boon before, that looks interesting to build around. was it not good in ur tests. would be nice if chill also worked since could use hesta cast w/ the chill also on cast

[distant ocean]

how about it only works every 15s?

[bleak night]

You know one way to make that thing better without doing any of that? When you dash after it fully charges, you should be able to change directions instead of it going off the direction you dashed into. That way you can defensively move backward then fire the direction you were originally aiming at

[tired fulcrum]

Also mel aspect should be changed to actually do something thats noticeable

[distant ocean]

Artemis style lol

[bleak fox]

Duo with Demeter
Was not good, because anyhow you are stacking much more than the rate

[forest veldt]

were u not using the detonate?

[distant ocean]

most mel aspects do seem like placeholders, except for maybe the special one for torches

[bleak fox]

No
With detonate it also would not be any good, because you have an explosion on 300...

[forest veldt]

that was so annoying when playing, its lets u dash but locks u into the animation and doesn't respect where u were aiming before

[tired fulcrum]

For omega special? You can technically do that if you press attack during the dash while trying to point it where you want to go. 99% a bug lol

[bleak night]

Wtf I never knew that

[ionic lily]

aspect of mel for sister blades would be pretty good if pan didnt exist lol

[haughty depot]

do you need a placeable cast boon for pan aspect to really get goin? feels super unsafe trying to just run around and shotgun stuff

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1239814025559408773/1240835642762727424/Replay_2024-05-16_18-15-10_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6649533e&is=664801be&hm=c74931a60b2a27f2079e98adeb29995446cd143ca9bce187d5d5037d870a86f7&

You can redirect the axe's omega special mid-animation by holding down attack. To redirect after dashing, double tap attack instead

[forest veldt]

haven't looked too much into. would think demeter would lower ticks required to reach 300 w/ the double dmg, not sure if works that way or even helps if would

[distant ocean]

@ionic lily i would be tempted to agree but 40% backstab damage isn't that much on daggers that have relatively low base power and relatively high precentage attack hammers, mel is better for specials than attacks just to say

[forest veldt]

dont need but feels rought wo/ imo

[bleak night]

That's kinda neat. Ty

[tired fulcrum]

Kinda hard to do it with the special speed hammer tho

[tired turret]

ended up taking 8 specials total to kill chronos

[ionic lily]

oh agreed, whenever I play mel sister blades, I try to fish for the returning knives

but then pan exists, so any special mel build is automatically better on pan anyway lol

[distant ocean]

yeah, that is an issue lol

[bleak night]

Is this even doable on controller I wonder. Let me test

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[distant ocean]

mel aspects should atleast be the best for some kind of niche build

[bronze bear]

Does priming all your Magick activate the Huntress (while you have <100% Magick, attacks and specials deal more)?

[tired fulcrum]

The vids from someone else but im on controller and it works

[bleak night]

Oh, neat

[forest veldt]

no, that makes 0 at 100% magick

[distant ocean]

0/0 is 100% lol

[bronze bear]

damn

[forest veldt]

not rly hard to activate tho w/ fear

[distant ocean]

maybe, i actually have not paid that close attention

[spice ibex]

Guys , favourite build with each weapon except skull

No aspects

[forest veldt]

since ur not using aspects think best bet is a cast build

[spice ibex]

?

[ionic lily]

mel skulls for a ranged attack build maybe

[forest veldt]

can try aspect builds and not use them, but dont think will be great

[ionic lily]

that's probably the extent of mel aspects having a viable niche I think

[tired fulcrum]

Uhh torch + apollo legendary + heart throbs + apollo/aphro duo + born gain is funny but gl getting all that

[ionic lily]

oh right, I forgot about mel torch and specials

[forest veldt]

ya thats the only one i've found that has something going for it. not rly range tho since need to pickup for consistant dps

[tired fulcrum]

Also works for omega attack spam

[novel maple]

How does one build Persephone Revaal properly? If i go in on the special, i am not stacking up glory. If i go for cast or sth, I am not utilizing the special.
Can't make the weapon feel strong

[tired fulcrum]

I hate torch special not having hit stun

[forest veldt]

ya they haven't felt too great for me. would need a lot more dmg to feel good imo

[distant ocean]

Daggers : Apollo Basic Attack Focused slizzy slicing, feels good, enjoyable, can not push well. Needs some love. Marauder Hammer is just .. lol oi.
Torch : Specials, all day, probably demeter to freeze everything around me lol or aphro to melt bosses, really fun build
Axe : tough one, spin to win is great but it requires so much.. but so does omega specials. I think I actually prefer just big chopping with aphro
Staff : I do enjoy the power of the special spam, it's awesome, but attack spam is fun and powerful, too. Both Poseidon
Skulls : (because I want to) Apollo Full Slavo Omega Attack 🙂

[spice ibex]

Use speical right ?

[ionic lily]

I just ignore the glory and build around omega special

[tired fulcrum]

Can do either tbh

I dont like the slow time arcana so i just omega attack spam

Cuz trying to omega special on torches on fo2 without timeslow is

[peak wasp]

How do you go fast enough out of Erebus on 32 fear? Any tips?

[distant ocean]

biggest tip would be to avoid the timer if that's whats beating you on 32 fear, then reapplying it when you're acclimated

[tired fulcrum]

Or abuse huntress momus

[distant ocean]

abuse huntress momus white antler with strength arcana

[peak wasp]

I'm already on momus

[distant ocean]

because you should have 1k dps on the first map without a hammer.

[tired fulcrum]

Also just take any skip rooms that show up

[peak wasp]

Huh???

How are you doing that without double moonshot

[distant ocean]

through the power of flat damage and critical scaling.

[tired fulcrum]

They just said it #h2-builds-and-combat message

Though tbh even without antler you can pos start and do fine

[gilded forum]

trying to understand a bit of how aspect of artemis is supposed to work
am i supposed to just try to run into enemies when i have riposte up? because the parry doesnt come up in time for it to be like a reactive thing, and the time slow from omega moves gets to be a bit of an issue

[peak wasp]

Oh are you opening with antler> Poseidon?

[tired turret]

strength doesnt require 30 health it requires 30% health iirc

[tired fulcrum]

You can antler into whatever really

Well not heph/zeus/dem/hestia but mostly whatever

[forest veldt]

pos best but any % dmg works fine

[tired fulcrum]

What pacts do you have

Revenants is dookie if you have that

[distant ocean]

kinda sorta, it's like what you do to activate strength arcana, you don't exactly waste time looking for the bait, you use it to avoid taking damage from something you'd normally have to dash through and then use your omega attack similarly after getting your 50% crit buff 🙂 but yes the point is the 100% more damage for the next 9 hits it gives

[gilded forum]

people run the strength arcana?

[peak wasp]

I cannot deal with Revenants. Running around to them takes so much time

[distant ocean]

psychos and really cool people do

[tired fulcrum]

Turn off timeslow arcana

[gilded forum]

what do you sacrifice for strength arcana? the +rare boon?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[distant ocean]

yeah i haven't used that one in forever

[tired fulcrum]

Like + rarity on pos is +10 damage, strength is +20 and also buffs your armor

[gilded forum]

ig if you're willing to reset a lot? i liked it a lot just for consistency in my runs at lower fears

[gilded forum]

i thought it also increased the level scaling with poms?

[tired fulcrum]

Nope

[distant ocean]

epic boon exists :T

[tired fulcrum]

Rarity and pom scaling have always been independent

Well unless im stupid and they changed it from 1 but i havent noticed it being any different

[distant ocean]

you'll be resetting more often because selen shows up in the first map lol

[gilded forum]

oh huh
but also boons stack up, like +10 from pos, +5% from uncommon grace or something, and then whatnot
or at least that was how i always justified it

[peak wasp]

I feel like rarity doesn't really matter. Just collect the exodia pieces

[distant ocean]

i'll take a common boon all day

[gritty oasis]

I got that build last week but on skulls #h2-builds-and-combat message

[gilded forum]

wait what does rarity do then if not adjust scaling factor? is it just as if it was a free pom or something?

[forest veldt]

pos is a flat +5 on attack, +10 spec

[gritty oasis]

you're dashing everywhere with three hearthrobs dealing a ton of damage each time

[distant ocean]

medea?

well prolly not medea since it's hearts.

[tired fulcrum]

It just increases the base value, like each rarity on pos special is like +10 base pr somethingish

[gilded forum]

yeah which is a pom's worth no? so is it just starting on a higher pom then?

[tired fulcrum]

Doesnt affect poms

[forest veldt]

ya same as first pom, but poms diminish

[tired fulcrum]

Like first 3 pos special poms should 10/8/7 regardless of rarity

[forest veldt]

for momus at least, rarity only good for pos spec. rest doesn't rly matter

[gilded forum]

yes obv ik
im just trying to figure out a way to quantize it

[forest veldt]

the 50% dmg and -50% dmg taken is huge for dps and def, not rly a contest imo

[gilded forum]

ive also grown quite fond of taking uncommon grace, but i would imagine you would stop taking that if you dont have the +rare one then

[peak wasp]

Do you run this in conjunction with antler? Wouldn't any random dmg push you to death defiance tho?

[forest veldt]

i dont take any of the rare, epic ones. not worth for momus at least

[forest veldt]

ya antler, and not rly. i guess if u facetank a bunch then ya but u have practically 60 hp w/ card

[peak wasp]

Huh? The effect happens at 30% hp right

[tired fulcrum]

Its mainly ran with antler and you can take armor and the arcana that gives you a shield against bosses

[forest veldt]

ya but u can sit at 30hp w/ at least 100 pool to always have card active

[distant ocean]

heph is your best friend when playing low life builds

mint condition and trusty shield don't care how much hp you're at they'll protect your butt lol

it's just about getting solid consistent starting damage

[tired fulcrum]

Also arachne sometimes with the 60 armor dress

[distant ocean]

if you take the rare you have a chance to do less damage than me with strength and a common

a chance to do less damage.

it's still not even guranteed lol

[zenith bolt]

mint condition and trusty shield are the best

[peak wasp]

I need to watch a vod honestly

[distant ocean]

pillows has a few solid runs i think

you're a sub 7 runner right?

[tired fulcrum]

I can grab my 45 ig

[gilded forum]

yeah i think it would help a lot to see how skilled players are attacking the game
i think there's some decision making that im not grasping beyond my skill issue

[forest veldt]

ya i have some good ones, drk also has the wr at 6:25 i think

[distant ocean]

pillows is pretty good, lol

[forest veldt]

ya got some good runs

[peak wasp]

Any link?

[forest veldt]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[tired fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/36EHKfGGxMw

https://youtu.be/dNMVN4h_PYs

[gilded forum]

wtf? how do you fire momus so fast

[peak wasp]

Wow that 32 is faster than my any.

[forest veldt]

controller w/ steam turbo button

[gilded forum]

huh

[forest veldt]

its an option in steam that lets u hold to constantly trigger

[tired fulcrum]

Momus has like no buffer on the special so its easy to mess up

[gilded forum]

wdym?

[distant ocean]

you can replicate it with most mouse software, too, that's what I use, built in hold to spam click 😄

saves my mouse, saves my finger, makes momus slightly more borked.

[forest veldt]

can also make macro w/ autohotkey, used that before swapping to controller

[tired fulcrum]

Like momus max fire rate is approx 4x a second if you press then press again in a fifth of a second then it wont register

[distant ocean]

I tried to set that up on my moms computer cuz she's been enjoying this game too

[forest veldt]

can share if u need

[distant ocean]

but she's got a walmart mouse lol I couldn't get it to work, please

[forest veldt]

using v1

can i link in this channel? not sure about rules

[bleak night]

oooh, what weapon does your mother play ?

[distant ocean]

she likes the cute torches

[bleak night]

Oh, neat

[distant ocean]

eos main, all around me are eos mains

[peak wasp]

I just realized I'm doing like 50% dps because I'm not using an auto clicker to spam momus optimally.

[bleak night]

teach her to do the pink aura build

[distant ocean]

I will! lol she also likes momus and perspehone

[forest veldt]

ya u lose a bit of power wo/ and ruins ur fingers

[distant ocean]

she just doesn't like playing momus

[lament kestrel]

how do u enable that thats sick

[distant ocean]

i got no idea, maybe in speedrun server?*

[forest veldt]

go to steam options, click controller, edit layout, click the button you want to trigger and turn on turbo

[lament kestrel]

thanks !

[bleak night]

Is there a way to shut that off mid-run ?

or do you have to restart the game

[forest veldt]

just send a dm

[forest veldt]

np, if u have problems lmk and i can try to help

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1239814025559408773/1240372005354606713/2024-05-15_11-24-02_-_Trim_-_Trim.mp4?ex=66499db3&is=66484c33&hm=f52201197a2e7b3b66888a3869f5c18de6e87c9843da0a89870e54b35022696b& i mean its not that bad, you dont actually need to spam that fast just get a rhythm

[lament kestrel]

ty 😊

[gilded forum]

yeah i think im lucky if im even doing 50% of that

i dont feel like writng a macro just to beat 32 heat though

might go back to a different weapon

[lament kestrel]

its just a lot easier tho not having to spam for ur entire run

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah momus is not good for the thumb

[peak wasp]

@tired fulcrum what is your fear setup for 32 btw? I noticed you're not using blue hearts?

[gilded forum]

im on kb&m
i tried playing hades 1 on controller and hated it

even on a custom control layout, never been a controller person

[forest veldt]

can share mine if u want one

[peak wasp]

Pls share

[wet nova]

What button is special for you?

Your first mistake was not rebinding momus special to LMB like I did😂

[tired fulcrum]

y

[forest veldt]

sent u a dm w/ it

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1241326678173814814/image0.jpg?ex=6649cb0e&is=6648798e&hm=327c3296bc3077090a44b770b34aaef72d323ae6ca8f32b6dd6299316ef4d53b&

[gilded forum]

i can probably write one myself if i really want to sweat the game
just on principle once i start writing macros and whatnot i feel like im starting to push the game really hard, and i dont think i want to play the game at that level right now

[tired fulcrum]

Idk if i saved the exact amounts somewhere

[forest veldt]

make sense, just wanted to help incase u didn't want to bother. id try some other things to save my fingers lol

[peak wasp]

Oh jeez?? Max vow of blood/scars? I'm too scared to play that

[gilded forum]

that is a ridiculously ballsy set of vows wow

full scars and full desperations is crazy

[tired fulcrum]

Well it was an antler run so

[peak wasp]

Maybe I just need to get good lol

[tired fulcrum]

Like for charon 32 i went for the 7 minute timer lol

[peak wasp]

Is blue hearts too slow?

[forest veldt]

pretty free if ur doing momus

[gilded forum]

sometimes the fun is in figuring out how to beat the game without getting good lmao
my highest fear run ive beaten was phoenix skin + brave face lmao
managed to tank nearly 600 damage from chronos without spending death defiance

[tired fulcrum]

For antler start it can waste a lot of time if i dont luck into poseidon or good hammers early

But you can also just pos start and its prob free

[peak wasp]

I like how you call it pos LMAO

[forest veldt]

pos nice for consistency, also lets u get rare boons if not taking rare / epic cards

[peak wasp]

I was doing pos but I can't beat the witch before 5 mins

[forest veldt]

5 is a bit tight for high fear, would do 7 and mess around w/ fear

[ruby karma]

Stupid question: For Hephaestus heavy metal, when it says does attacks cannot knock you away, does that effect go away one the armor is gone?

[tired turret]

No its permanent afaik

[tired fulcrum]

idk set a metronome to 240 bpm and up your special spam game lol

[delicate spindle]

What are the best hammers for the skull and the dual wands?

[forest shale]

Is there some video, website or reddit post that go into detail on some fun/op builds? Seeing as there are no pins in this channel

[distant ocean]

@delicate spindle really depends on your goals, but I'd say persephone and mel personally would prefer uhh full salvo and triple helix lol

[delicate spindle]

those are aspects not hammers.

oh

[forest veldt]

lots of builds in this channel. some staples are momus and pan but there are a bunch of others

[forest shale]

I know about momus and pan! What others are worth trying?

[cunning dove]

All of them!

[forest veldt]

medea, artemis, torches are the 2nd tier i guess but really opens up after momus/pan imo

[distant ocean]

it's a really wide gap lol

medea and artemis seemingly do okay in low heat runs* tho

[forest veldt]

ya, most things work in general. heat or speed is only time where lots of demand from build

[distant ocean]

anything that can abuse exceptional talent from apollo is going to be "OP" for sure

[forest veldt]

haven't found too many builds for that. wish that the full salvo for mel skulls worked w/ power bonus for 2nd round

[distant ocean]

me too :<

pan abuses it the best anyways lol

[forest veldt]

yup thats only one i've heard about so far

[distant ocean]

but I guess ww axe and torch special can make it thump

[forest shale]

Anyone try using the judgement card (0 cost activates 3 random cards after each guardian)? What other cards go along with it?

[forest veldt]

the % magick from dagger is so nice for it ontop of already being best dps for special

[distant ocean]

it's so good lol

[forest veldt]

defiance w/ 2 others imo. haven't found a good reason to use tho. maybe if fear option in future that limits cards used

[distant ocean]

it's also one of the few omegas that can hit 60magick a cast

if not the only one that can do that, does that mean it will summon 6 hearthrobs instead with the full package

[forest veldt]

ah not sure, haven't done anything w/ those yet

[tired fulcrum]

I dont think hearthrobs count overflow

[bleak night]

I've had my game crash once because there were too many hearthrobs orbiting me

luckily the game allowed it to save so I was able to go back to the point where I entered the final room before Chronos, I thought that run was dead

[grizzled igloo]

For Umbral Flames Aspect of Melinoe is it just Poseidon Special then go crazy?

[bleak night]

idk about Poseidon, but I did Aphro and it was kinda funny

[forest veldt]

dont think pos good for that type of attack

[bleak night]

do I just post Pink Aura.mp4 again

[devout mortar]

thunder sprint or toasting fork for witch poseidon build w zeus cast and solar flare?

[grizzled igloo]

If not Pos then Aphro or Hera maybe?

[forest veldt]

ya once of those

[bleak night]

What's the weapon ? Staff ?

[devout mortar]

is toasting fork op like it makes overriden fx trigger? so they trigger each time you go ? i dont understand the verbiage

[forest veldt]

dont think either too great, fork maybe? sprint could be annoying to take magick

[bleak night]

Play Aphro-Apollo https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6649738e&is=6648220e&hm=76feb5df4e85bd90d3cb6f15fe526abf135dc3e71499509e4e5f78deb14c1916&

[grizzled igloo]

What the

[median stratus]

that looks amazing

[forest veldt]

pretty sure just triggers incase u didn't. doesn't have seperate instance

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1240931221781872670/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=6649ac42&is=66485ac2&hm=5ac6fb3545d369fd803f51ab6672a1caa03a6b0621c372e540c11c4e04ce76ed&

[devout mortar]

i have infinite magic rn essentially cuz zeus mana thing so im just wondering what fork means or if the sprint is good w essentially infinite mana..?

[forest veldt]

guess sprint would be better. fork hard to get value unless ur able to proc blitz but dont have dmg to trigger dmg

[sly turret]

Apollo or Zeus start for Charon axe?

keepsake

[forest veldt]

apollo better cast imo, get cast first and can swap to zeus for 2nd zone if dont get lucky in first

but start whatever cast u want to use, can get other later

[tired fulcrum]

You can only get the duo with apollo cast btw

also hera start for born gain

[tall finch]

Apollo has the range improvement. That is massive imho

[sly turret]

Which one?

[tired fulcrum]

Uh as in which duo?

[sly turret]

yeah

[tired fulcrum]

It add a ton of damage to apollo cast basically

[forest veldt]

Glorious Disaster - You can Channel +30 magic into your Omega Cast to repeatedly strike foes with lightning bolts. apollo + zeus duo

[tired fulcrum]

It says you need to channel extra mana but you dont cuz its bugged lol and charon can just activate it with the special too

[forest veldt]

not bugged, makes sense for charon axe. triggers omega cast as if u channeled

[tired fulcrum]

Like even without charon you dont need to channel

[forest veldt]

oh lol, ya thats bugged

[fickle reef]

what's the name of the purple orb element of the duo boons?

[tired fulcrum]

Uh aether i think

[lament kestrel]

speaking of that do yk whats the apollo legendary i see people talking abt

[forest veldt]

Exceptional Talent - Your Omega Attack and Omega Special fire 2 times, but use more magic

[lament kestrel]

woahh

[tired fulcrum]

Uh double omega attack/special for +20 magick cost

[lament kestrel]

very cool

[tired fulcrum]

Its also funny with aphro duo for heart throb spam

[lament kestrel]

yeah

[sly turret]

Is it worth using The Moon arcana card for Charon or nah?

[wind kettle]

what are the speedrunners fav wep aspects?

[bleak night]

[tired fulcrum]

Momus momus momus and pan and medea

And uh mel torches ig

[forest veldt]

nothing rly beats momus imo

[novel maple]

TIL heph special proccs only once and I can't just nuke an entire room with persephone special charged up

[forest veldt]

@feral gorge try to aim for 3:30 ocean, 5 fields, 7 walking into chronos. may be tight but should be sub 8

[feral gorge]

I’ve seen one 6:58 with aspect of pan, besides that it’s all momus w/poseidon or Hera special spam

[forest veldt]

its mostly poseidon, the hera run was only because of using hera cast for first floor time

[feral gorge]

Fair. Saw a couple dudes with 6:30s using Hera, honestly my times are about the same w/ Hera and pos.

[glossy rivet]

does fine tuning work on rank v weapons? or is it just wasted lol
no temporary rank vi aspect?

[feral gorge]

2 mins to clear fields and pre chronos though? @forest veldt that’s so fast 😭

[forest veldt]

i found that hera had good first zone but harder to get consistent times for remaining. but if it works for others then prob just a problem w/ how i played it

[glossy rivet]

yo hera works on pan special spam too? does it need certain hammers?

[feral gorge]

Def do Poseidon on pan

[split igloo]

What boons are used for aspect of thanatos?

[forest veldt]

u need to get chaos gate, boss, npc. then only one real zone w/ the 3 encounters

[glossy rivet]

than u can use high %boons for omega attack spam
u can also use zeus cast

[feral gorge]

Ah I see. That makes sense. Should I keep dying for daed hammer in spawn room? Your vid started a bit late so I didn’t see your first few rooms.

[forest veldt]

ya sry, can only upload 15 min vids. i just reset until i get the double hammer and run that, so not unseeded. u can try to go unseeded but takes much longer to get run that may work

[sly turret]

You can force additional gods into the god pool with keepsakes like in Hades 1 right?

[bleak night]

yep

@forest veldt What'll people start running if Momus gets turbonerfed btw? Medea? I've seen those 7:50 Medea runs, and I kinda like how they look

[feral gorge]

This is probably a dumb question. But I’ve seen a lot of speedrunners open their boon list while looking at what to pick… but it never seems like they’re looking at anything specific.. what’re you looking for what you do that? Like at 3:45 for example.

[bleak night]

probs glancing at the requirements of King Tide

[forest veldt]

ya think its between pan and medea rn. havne't looked into either rn bc momus so broken. they look more fun tho

[feral gorge]

Was at narcissus though

[bleak night]

don't wanna try to get into Medea runs?

I might try to get into just so I can practice the weapon and when to weave into enemies

[forest veldt]

mostly how many rolls i have left and the boons i have to get king tide

[forest veldt]

tried a few but wasn't a fan. got to ocean and wasn't able to hit the guys in water, rly bummed me out lol

[bleak night]

I should probs mention that in feedback or just F10 it

[forest veldt]

think its intended, can't charge over them so just need to sit and wait

tried a few w/ mel skulls and had similar problem w/ skulls sitting on the water to couldn't grab

[bleak night]

seems like odd game design though, considering this weapon isn't just melee, but you have to exist in the same space as the enemy you're hitting in order to detonate those skulls

[forest veldt]

ya a trigger button or something would be nice, not sure how they would implement tho. or let u clip them when charging into wall of water maybe

[bleak night]

probs extend the hurtbox of the serpent a bit forward so touching the water near them causes an explosion

[forest veldt]

ya would feel better in that case. the miniboss for example was horrible when i tried. havn'et seen how ppl do that one yet

was doing small charged tho, tihnk need to just fully charged over gaps for middle and mayble across for sides? not sure

[bleak night]

You can def do full charge between areas, but it's terrible if there's no angle for it, yeah

not to mention you have to charge through again to grab the skulls

[forest veldt]

ya always feels rough to need to grab skulls

wouldn't feel as bad if wasn't competing w/ momus dps

[bleak night]

Hopefully, things get buffed in terms of accessibility and removing the jank

[forest veldt]

ya still ea so lots of room for changes. like idea of them tho, high burst/dps dmg depending on aspect but requires skulls

[bleak night]

framerate buffs for Axe, general issues for Skull aspects (Glory and Medea hitbox), probably general changes to Torches so people feel less awkward using them, etc

I can't think of much for Sister Blades, and for Staff I'd like to think the main issues are Serenity being kinda meh and Momus just doing too much damage

[forest veldt]

ya, solid bases for each just a few touch ups to make smoother gameplay

[bleak night]

Circe staff atm seems kinda bad unless your thing is not having a mana regen boon

I'd change it by making Serenity more frequent, but lasts less.
Maybe 21 hits -> 10 or 11 hits to activate Serenity
Duration 10 secs -> 5 secs
Also, probably just give Serenity a lot of bonuses in general, 15% chargetime reduction and mana regen are kinda mid

[forest veldt]

ya, not sure when good since not consistent regen. momus way to much base power compared to other sources of dmg

[sly turret]

How does saved breath work with charon axe?

[bleak night]

saved breath ?

[sly turret]

The hermes boon which makes omega cast use less magick

[bleak night]

Oh, you don't need that at all

[forest veldt]

would be interesting to see changes to serenity, agree the regen only may be too weak

[sly turret]

doesn't do anything right?

[bleak night]

You don't Omega Cast on Charon Axe. You lay down a basic cast, then you detonate it with Omega Special, it then does the effects of your Omega Cast boon automatically

using Omega Special on your Omega Cast does nothing

[sly turret]

Yeah ok thanks

[bleak night]

that or change the buff in general, imo. Was thinking the same buff Poseidon gives you wherein you deal more damage at the start of the encounter, but less powerful since it'll be something you can trigger a lot of times

[brisk geyser]

glorious disaster found before hecate fight

[forest veldt]

maybe, kinda like aspects giving more than just % dmg bc its a bit boring and lots of other sources

[bleak night]

idk what other properties, but plain mana regen and half the chargetime reduc given by Mel's Base Staff are kinda terrible as an Aspect-specific mechanic atm

not to mention iirc Circe or Medea gives you Serenity from one of their boons

[forest veldt]

power, number of proj, or speed of skills more interesting to introduce other ways to scale dmg

[bleak night]

maybe Serenity gives you the Apollo Legendary thing while active ?

[forest veldt]

oh that would be cool, could give -dmg as well to compensate

[bleak night]

double your omegas, but cut down on the chargetime reduction it gives

[forest veldt]

but stuff like that cooler imo for aspects

would fit w/ hammers giving double stuff for staff as well

[bleak night]

A lot of things could be changed to make some of these play differently is all

[forest veldt]

ya, super solid foundation for weapons in general

[bleak night]

the bases are good, but some of the aspects have variations that kind of feel empty

[forest veldt]

ya, feel like thats why momus and pan are standouts, bc they give unique ways of scaling

[bleak night]

nah, come to think of it some of the bases are just straight up overshadowed

Mel Axe comes to mind, since 25% recovery time honestly doesn't seem like much when the startup of the big chop is laggy no matter how much Hermes gives you attack speed

[forest veldt]

ah, meant the general idea of each weapon. not mel aspect

can touch the dmg or aspects to fit different niches

[bleak night]

That's fair, yeah, the Sister Blades in general though, all 3 feel fun to play

The base blades andArtemis do have a bit of overlap in wanting to use Omega Attack to get behind

[forest veldt]

ya those r pretty solid and have fun changes to them

tru, but thats less about aspect overlap and moreso optimal ways to play i guess. can do different builds for ecah building off their aspects

[bleak night]

can't speak too much about Torches since Moros seems to be bugged in terms of collision rn

[bleak night]

that's fair, yeah

[forest veldt]

i haven't gone deep w/ most of them, just done some dmg testing

[white steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824538394506952724/1241351826151051274/image.png?ex=6649e27a&is=664890fa&hm=54f42e72fe80839821437ee2d00c456944625701c698849a5035170fb1605ca6&
help this is a staff omega attack build, i have the vow that deletes other picks

[bleak night]

Try out some meme runs sometimes between your speedruns

[bleak night]

Don't need Coarse Grit on staff, go Weed Killer and go ham

[forest veldt]

was thinking of doing more of them, think i lucked out w/ my runs

[bleak night]

probs just do full reroll + Artificer on a low Fear run just to see stuff

that way you don't need to luck out, you can just reliably make meme builds

that being said I did 13 runs of trying to win by doing the Luigi method and I'm struggling to get what I need

[forest veldt]

ya can mess around w/ more weapons. have to seperate them from momus, always seem weak in comparison

whats luigi lol

[bleak night]

idt they tested that when they made that +30 lol

[forest veldt]

its nuts, power is insane since hard to get from many sources and 30 its a ton

skulls only balanced w/ +20 becuase skulls hard to spam

[bleak night]

In Mario Party, there's this really popular meme where Luigi wins by just not doing anything at all, letting the AI get themselves knocked out. My idea is to just stand still and let Chronos kill himself on damage return by spamming Hera Revenge up + Coarse Grit to take 15 damage from the 999 instakill

[forest veldt]

i was thinking of how to build something like that by stakcing less dmg taken and revenge

[bleak night]

I will literally leave the controller alone and let him die by swiping at me

[narrow verge]

This is a hilarious idea

[bleak night]

I've technically already done it, but I didn't have Coarse Grit, so I had to manually walk to the safe spots on the instakill zones + spam Omegas in order to heal with Moon Water, but he still only takes damage from my damage-return https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240852449934184568/Why_are_you_hitting_yourself_gramps_reduced_filesize.mp4?ex=664962e5&is=66481165&hm=e9ea5f0fde5ebaabb3753e6f364d6c80b4f0b95bcd6d4e52cd0d64cae85b4278&

[wise knot]

I just found a complete bonker build

Pan blades + hammer upgrade that stack omega special damage + hammer omega special as a circle from you + Apollo's legendary boon

It's a Chiron Aspect on super steroid

[forest veldt]

would be nice if the regen 30% applied to initial dmg instead of coarse, but haven't tested yet

[bleak night]

give that video a watch, it's pretty funny

[narrow verge]

man deleted himself

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1240848286009786469/image.png?ex=66495f05&is=66480d85&hm=684ec535f769067b604e56edcf905ea723da35357d02737d61d5bf53139aa8ba&

I'm looking to make a video where I just straight up leave the controller alone

[forest veldt]

ya just looked, that looks like fun. gotta try more stuff like this. momus has rotted my brain

wow, didn't see that thats a lot of dmg

[onyx wraith]

So is it just me or Lim & Oros Aspect of Melinoe kinda trash compared to the two others?

[narrow verge]

Has anyone tried dire candle hammer on aspect of eos yet? Kinda bonkers

[bleak night]

my idea is to get this to stack higher by running Zeus-Hera and let Queen's Ransom get to level it to 10+

[bleak night]

Mel Blades still has a use, try Aphro Special, walk behind your enemy and let em rip

[forest veldt]

ya looks like good lv scaling. i wonder if there is a way to get psuedo invincible somehow

[bleak night]

I've mostly been resorting to Pink Aura memes whenever I have to do Torch. It has given me brainrot

[onyx wraith]

But then if I wanted to make the most out of Specials I'd just use Pan.

So like, what does Melinoe do better than the other two?

[median stratus]

does it stack with hook shot?

[bleak night]

It's pretty good as a hybrid, I suppose

[median stratus]

since hook shot nearly always guarantees a backstab either on the throw or return

[bleak night]

it's normal to have aspects that are overshadowed is all

[narrow verge]

I found epic demeter attack + dire candle in Erebus earlier and was hitting ~1700 damage omega attacks on Hecate, v funny run

[bleak night]

jfc lol

[onyx wraith]

I mean ideally we'd want them as close to each other as possible, right?

[bleak night]

dunno dude, some of the base Zagreus weapon aspects are pretty terrible when compared to their other aspects

[grizzled igloo]

To the person who said Aphro on Melinoe's Umbral Flames, thank you. I've never clapped Chronos so hard before

[narrow verge]

Genuinely kind of absurd combo lmao, dire candle makes your omega a single hit that does 1500% damage and eos lets you hit twice with it

[onyx wraith]

And wouldn't you prefer if they weren't?

[grizzled igloo]

Now I kinda want to do it with Hera

[bleak night]

easier said than done is all, we could recommend, but at the end of the day it's up to the devs to change it if they think it's healthy for the game

I'd have ideas on what to change, but at the end of the day I'm just someone who plays

[onyx wraith]

Sure. I think in this case it's just kinda easy to bump the numbers a bit.

[wet nova]

The thing with base aspects is they can’t play fundamentally different like other aspects tho

[bleak night]

I'd prefer they do some changes on some of the aspects that are actually kinda useless compared to the others

[wet nova]

They have to be a stat buff for the main weapon only really

[bleak night]

Circe comes to mind the most, because Serenity is just really bad unless you hate Mana Regen boons

[wet nova]

And if every single aspect was just + power it would be pretty boring

[onyx wraith]

That's fine. I'm not saying it should play differently. Just saying the numbers should be bumped a bit.

Like +10% or +20% more.

[wet nova]

I think first and foremost aspects should have multiplicative buffs not additive

Being additive is what makes them feel weak, like 50% backstab damage when you have a 200% Aphrodite attack means nothing

[grizzled igloo]

TBH after playing with them awhile Circe feels like the only big stinker mechanically

[onyx wraith]

That could be a good idea, yeah. Make it multiplicative instead.

[grizzled igloo]

There is no build that wants the sheer amount of Mana Aspect of Circe gives you

[wet nova]

Like the reason why aspect of Thanatos is insanely good is cos crit is multiplicative damage basically

[onyx wraith]

To me the bigger issue is a lot of them are boring compared to what we had in Hades 1.

[wet nova]

What is that aspect again?

[onyx wraith]

A lot of the aspects are just stat buffs tbh.

[grizzled igloo]

The one that gives you Serenity when you hit with the Staff

[wet nova]

Yh they do feel unrefined rn 1 every aspect felt unique, I think the reason why is cos they’re trying their utmost hardest to not copy hades 1 stuff which limits their creativity

[onyx wraith]

I'd rather copy HD1 stuff than have stat stick aspects :\

[grizzled igloo]

I thought that too but after playing with a lot of them they feel unique enough that all of them feel fun. Moonstone Axe and Umbral Flame's Aspects comes to mind

[wet nova]

Like aspect of medea is meant to be like Beowulf but plays noticeably worse since it’s not got protection

[bleak night]

I feel like copying the ideas from Hades 1 should be fine as long as you put a spin to it. Kinda like how Pan is just Chiron, but instead of tagging targets with attacks, you tag them with cast

[grizzled igloo]

It has invuln on the Omega Special doe?

That's how you play it, it's Omega Special spam

[wet nova]

But the omega doesn’t get buffed by the aspect damage

[onyx wraith]

I do feel that that aspect might want longer Cast duration though.

[wet nova]

So less dps technically ofcourse you can just omega spam but that also means you’re taking longer too and on chronos who’s not affected by time slow

[onyx wraith]

As is I feel like I am not bothering much with the cast and just point-blanking with the Omega Special.

[bleak night]

that's a thing they've already given to the Charon Axe, so I feel like they didn't want to recycle

[grizzled igloo]

The Omega Special is just there to safely deliver raw Aphrodite Attacks to the enemies face, it's stupid safe

[onyx wraith]

I know but still, I don't feel the mechanic works well right now

Maybe instead of longer cast duration, it could put a mark on enemies tagged by the cast

[grizzled igloo]

Even then the Omega Special has a lot of AoE and upfront damage on its own but again it's just there to "deliver" your attacks

But all in all I feel like the only real "boring" Aspects are the Staffs and Sister Blades.

[wet nova]

I think rn pan is in a good state no need to focus on that over others

If you want longer cast duration you go Hera cast (no matter how bad it is)

[onyx wraith]

I'm not saying Pan is bad, I'm saying the cast auto-aim mechanic doesn't work well rn

[grizzled igloo]

You mean Hera?

[wet nova]

Yh fixed it mb^

[onyx wraith]

It's still a very strong aspect regardless of that mechanic not working well.

[wet nova]

Yh that’s one thing I think they’re trying to resolve

[white steppe]

I won but I griefed myself for no reason cause I got born gain replaced w demeter's gain cause I forgot about that vow lul, im about to make one of those feedback posts that you should be able to deny boons

[grizzled igloo]

IDK Aspect of Pan's theoretical damage limit is so absurdly high I have no qualms trying to make it feel "better" by getting Boons that make placing Casts more reliable. Like Pan can two shot the Infernal Beast and that's only because you physically cannot two shot him due to damage gates

[bleak night]

you outplayed yourself

[grizzled igloo]

I'd rather they make Aspect of Melinoe and Aspect of Artemis more unique to each other and do another pass with all of the Staffs

[wet nova]

There will be a pool of purging eventually at the least since there’s a spot for it to the right of the shop

[tall notch]

Is there a consistent way to avoid +40% Hecate's polymorph without Frinos?

[grizzled igloo]

Staff is a solid weapon but all of its Aspects don't change the staff for the better or in the cast of Aspect of Momos, pigeonhole a fun weapon into a busted but boring build

[wet nova]

Doesn’t dashing back and forth through it work, I always do that

[white steppe]

at least I got the hera demeter duo out of the prophecy list

[tall notch]

At +40% speed it feels like it comes back at me faster than dash goes off cd

[wet nova]

Like when it approaches you you dash through it cos it has to turn it slows it down temporarily

[wet nova]

Tbh I haven’t tested with new dash with old dash it worked at least

[forest veldt]

if u dash from top middle to bottom left it gives more room to dodge. stay along that diagonal

[rapid prawn]

i think another thing one might wanna adress with pan is that it only increases the maximum output without increasing channel speed, so using it without the slowdown on charge is clunky

[wet nova]

Chiron also animation locked you for slightly longer too though

[grizzled igloo]

Yeah but Chiron didn't have a Boon Tax to also make the Cast feel better on top of that

[wet nova]

This time it’s about charging so slightly different but once you release you aren’t animation locked I believe

[grizzled igloo]

I'm fine with it though since again Aspect of Pan has such a high theoretical DPS that trying to make your build make it "less clunky" along the way is a tradeoff that makes the weapon more interesting

[forest veldt]

also helps that boundless hammer is great dps w/ less cost

[tall notch]

Oooh I haven't tried that, thanks!

[forest veldt]

np, u do need to sprint a bit, can dash back to back

[vague current]

anyone have any luck with the two sticks weapon? i dont know what im doing on it

[brisk geyser]

you kind of want to spam specials unless you have the eos aspect

and bear in mind the specials dont stagger so youve gotta dance around

[grizzled igloo]

Aspect of Melinoe Umbral Flames is pretty bad at the start because it really needs upgrades to facilitate the playstyle it wants to do. Best bet is to ignore your Attack, don't do it. Instead use solely your Special / Omega Special. You channel more balls the more you use your Omega Special. Slap Aphrodite on your Special and you're golden

[vague current]

what rank before it feels playable? ive tried it a few times but its still been kinda ehh

[brisk geyser]

if you get a good enough special boon and a mana boon you should be good, everything else is just extra

[grizzled igloo]

God I've never shredded Chronos so hard before

[vague current]

do u still try to apply 2x curse for that arcana or am i prob dropping it

[grizzled igloo]

Depends really, For me I swapped it out for more damage in casts as since you're not using Attack you're reliant on your cast to proc a second curse and at that point it's eh

I guess you can maybe try for Weak + Jolt? But Aphro doesn't give a Curse outright from her Special so it's a bit iffy

[vague current]

ill give it another go , been having issues making this one and the skull one works

[brisk geyser]

i think those two are probably the most "restrictive" but once you get them to pop off, you see them differently, good luck o7

[vague current]

unique playstyles is always fun for me im just a bit loss on them

[brisk geyser]

with torches demeter and hera have worse damage for bosses but make rooms a bit of a joke

[vague current]

the rooms are rarely the issue

[brisk geyser]

poseidon or aphro then, and being patient which is easier said than done

[vague current]

im also not quite done grinding my account for high heats yet i suppose

[paper tapir]

are you immune to charbydis however u spell it's projectile* with hestia's sprint?

[grizzled igloo]

If it's bosses then once the torches get up and running they melt, like Chronos and Cerb might as well been a block of cheese with how good I shredded them

[grizzled igloo]

I think you can't Hestia his tentacle waves?

[paper tapir]

yeah i meant specifically the fire ball after he changes phase

[grizzled igloo]

then yeah you're immune

[bleak night]

there'll probably be 42 testaments when the aspects are all in, right ?

[paper tapir]

gotcha thanks

[white steppe]

i wonder how gimmicky the last weapon will be, torches are already pretty gimmicky

[grizzled igloo]

You say as if they didn't duct tape the Shield and Gun together to make the Argent Skull... it worked cause it love the thing but still

[white steppe]

maybe it'll be like a witch broom that can only attack when you're sprinting so sprint boon enjoyers can finally eat

[grizzled igloo]

wait... hold up I want that actually

like a weapon that just revolves around the Sprint

[brisk geyser]

playing medea skull, would you lot prefer the +2 shells hammer or the -1 shell but automatic return hammer? i'm guessing the former

[lament kestrel]

+2

[grizzled igloo]

former, getting skulls back is not an issue

[lament kestrel]

unload all shells, omega special tp get them back, repeat

[grizzled igloo]

you are invincible when using your Omega Special so use it to safely "collect" your skulls (and since you're usually dashing towards the general direction of the enemy anyway it's free damage)

Oh wait, Medea, well same thing still applies

if you have +2 then just stagger your Attacks, like load +2 Skulls > Omega Special, +2 Skulls > Omega Special ect.

[paper tapir]

man i hate argent so bad it feels worse than torch

[vague current]

o ya youre right this thing does a bunch of damage

[rugged steppe]

Why everybody hating the torches? I've just had my almost-beating-chronos for the first time with them

[agile mural]

i hated torches until i realised you could stack the omega cast projectiles i basically just ignore the regular attacks with it

[true perch]

My second fave weapon after the staff.

The sickle is atrocious tho.

[random rover]

Say I wanted to make a build that maximized passive damage. What would that be, like Zeus Cast + Demeter?

[slate pecan]

what's a recommended build for 32 fear surface? also momuseidon? feels a bit weird since it's hard to keep enemies at a distance

[compact spoke]

How does coarse grit interact with fixed gain/flood control/brave face and so on? Is the 15 damage reduced or the initial damage?

[grizzled igloo]

Tbh I feel like the weapons this time around are much more "on par" with each other. In Hades 1 it feels like Spear and Gun got the majority of the "I don't like this weapon complains"

Now it feels like there are more diverse opinions. Umbral Flames got the most flack then people started unlocking it's two other Aspects... then upgrading the base Aspect and now it's great.

[naive gull]

where can i find broken builds for any weapons other than axe? im tired of spinning

[jovial river]

Momus with double moonshot and wave flourish is definitely broken. It works well enough even without Momus

[grizzled igloo]

Umbral Flames, Aspect of Melinoe. Aphrodie Special. That's it that's your build

[tall notch]

If you're struggling with enemy control try getting Demeter cast

[jovial river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/918620698639998976/1241200538482245723/scillamelt.mp4?ex=66495594&is=66480414&hm=8900fda57e67ffb3d6613087529ad9483ca856ef216e71744577485aafb95b72&

[delicate spindle]

Sickle was also my least fav weapon, untill i realised how good it was, It has access to the second best build in the game

[naive gull]

you just omega special everytime?

[grizzled igloo]

yes and it's glorious

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=6649753e&is=664823be&hm=03397d2b1fbfccb30ec6630252ac6b046f974d98dfd445ef29eae84e9326351c&

[grizzled igloo]

Thank you for showing me the light that is Omega Special Spam Torches

[true perch]

What is it? I'll try again.

[naive gull]

wtf lmao

[bleak night]

make sure to get the Apollo legendary and the Apollo-Aphro duo

[bleak night]

it's fun, isn't it ?

[naive gull]

gotta pray first for rng

[bleak night]

don't need much for this besides the hammer boon for the +1 orb on special

Apollo and Aphro boons will be easy to grab as you go

[grizzled igloo]

You don't even need that imo, Aphro and a metric amount of Hearthrob is good enough for the build to be funi

[true perch]

Damn she sneezes a lot with those torches.

[grizzled igloo]

I blinked and Phase 2 Chronos was shredded like a block of cheese

[bleak night]

also probably Hera

for the mana regen, of course

[bleak night]

it's so funny to play

I should probably give it a meme name instead of Pink Aura

Pink Balls of Love

[grizzled igloo]

Pink Aura is the meme name

[bleak night]

yeah, fair

[sly turret]

Good 32 fear pact for Momus?

[glossy rivet]

do u just need two boons to make that happen lol

[delicate spindle]

Aspect of Pan, All, your knives home in on enemies within your cast. Poseidon or Aphrodite special. Any hammer that increases the number of knives or Increases omega special. My fav is the one that adds more knives and throws them in a circle around you. Hestia cast is best as it lasts longer than other casts

[naive gull]

you mean hera

[delicate spindle]

yes, hera sorry

[bleak night]

Aphro Special, Apollo legendary, Heartbreaker, Apollo-Aphro duo, Hera mp regen

If you're lucky, you'll get the +1 Orb Helix and spawn 6 orbs in one go rather than 4

still, 4 is enough to be spammed, and it'll barely look any different

[glossy rivet]

do i start with aphro or apollo keepsake on erebus?

[bleak night]

Aphro -> Apollo -> Hera if you can help it

keep Apollo on attack since he needs either Attack or Special to get the legendary

[delicate spindle]

Highest chance to get Apollo legendary?

[glossy rivet]

but i dont actually use attack though right
just shoot off specials to trigger heatthrobs

[bleak night]

no clue what the rates are, but you need to meet the requirement of three specific boon categories

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1241379444682264667/image.png?ex=6649fc33&is=6648aab3&hm=635854208e0c851317dd51de8ead01c7b324022240b6a3b4e25324566f22117f&

[delicate spindle]

what are they? I got it once but not sure what i did to trigger it. It is also the first legendary that i was ever offered

oh what?!

[bleak night]

use the steamcommunity resource for Legendary/Duo requirements since you can't pull up the boon list yet while you're picking a boon unlike Hades 1

[delicate spindle]

i didnt know it showed requirements

[bleak night]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[bleak night]

might need all the god keepsakes before you can unlock this one iirc

[sly turret]

How do you use lc4 when you don't have SD in this game? Do you just not get hit?

[tall notch]

Armor strats since you can stack armor with lc4

And damage mitigation through dodge or demeter's infusion

[delicate spindle]

Any one ever use Aromatic phial for a guarenteed Heroic on your main damage boon?

[tall notch]

Is that the fountain thing?

[jovial river]

All the time

[delicate spindle]

Yes

[mystic bison]

Thoughts on Artificer card?

[tall notch]

I don't try to build around it as it's hard to guarantee my main boon will be the only common throughout the region, but if I see that its every single hit would be good after a region I'll use it

[mystic bison]

Seems like a way worse dark foresight

[delicate spindle]

Yea, i know what you mean. I dont build around it either, but if i ever see an Attack or a Special common boon offered as the first boon, i instantly restart the run and equip the phial

[jovial river]

With the cards that give +50% rare chance and +20% epic chance I feel like it isn’t very hard, especially if you have a bunch of rolls

[viral fox]

Feels like hex needs some love. Most builds don't seem to come online until a hex regen boon turns up. Some really dry and not fun runs atm.

[jovial river]

To be clear I’d take Phial into the second biome

[hollow stag]

OP with Poseidon though

[chilly swift]

Can Hera only be encountered during Surface runs? I equipped her Keepsake and everything for an Underworld run and still got Selene as my first boon

[white steppe]

selene just does that sometimes, she behaves like a hammer, you can get hera in the underworld

[glossy rivet]

is there a limit to amount of special orbs before they despawn or can i just shoot them forever and theyll add up?

i got aphro-apollo duo but no apollo legendary yet 😔

[bleak night]

I've no clue, but I tested it on the shop area before Chronos and it crashed my game

[glossy rivet]

ok so probably no limits on special orbs and also heartthrob orbs probably

[sly turret]

No, you can get her in the Underworld too. The keepsakes don't guarantee the boon apparently, they make the boons "likely". And I don't think it would replace Selene anyway

[chilly swift]

Thank you!

[tall notch]

Hecate keepsake might legit be Pan meta. Just had a very lowroll run where I saw no mana regen boons at all and it lasted me until Cerberus

[white steppe]

they do guarantee them, it just happens that other gods, hammers and selene are in the same standing

its how it worked in hades 1 too

[sly turret]

Says that in the keepsake description so I was unsure

[white steppe]

yeah idk why they drifted away from using proper descriptions and now we have stuff with "likely" and "occasionally" but yeah

artemis specifically with the occasionally annoys me, it reads like its a random roll but if you read the parry tooltip its specifically a cooldown

[jovial river]

I feel like they should change the wording on that

[ember gale]

Wonder if its just a testing thing where they dont want to replace the numbers shown every time they change it, hope it just says them in the release tho

[tall notch]

Maybe it's so that people don't report it as a bug when the keepsaked god doesn't show up first for whatever reason

[tired turret]

There are ways that you won't see the keepsake God at all

Such as chaos and bad luck

[sly turret]

Does more harm than good though

[tired turret]

But its very likely it will appear

[white steppe]

it should revert to the hades 1 "the next boon you see is guaranteed to be from X" and just pool in selene with the other gods

[tired turret]

Selene is fundamentally different than the other gods though

Imho there shouldn't be selene starts

[white steppe]

selene is different but if they wanted her to have her current interactions w run starts and rooms she honestly shouldnt have been a god imo but some other form of upgrade like the hammer

[glossy rivet]

bro chronos was doing his 999 damage attack but he was standing on the safe circle and so i had no choice but to take the hit lmao

the old mans learning

[tired turret]

I like the hex system but I just don't think they are useful usually except the slow time and moonwater

[livid bone]

Honestly the best use for the hex is probably the Hermes boon that gives you +20-30% move and attack speed if the hex is ready (midnight oil iirc)

[tired turret]

Also the hex's dont provide more damage than my build

[livid bone]

Is really good with pretty much every weapon except Momus where the speed doesn't matter if you spam the special (it's still one shot every ~270-280ms)

[tired turret]

I prefer pos pan

[livid bone]

The need more hexes that are similar to the Artemis or Zeus Call from Hades, i.e. just fire it and don't have to stop what you were doing to make it work

[clear root]

are the umbral flames any good?

[tired turret]

With the faster channeling and shotgunning enemies in the cast. Its so good...

[livid bone]

Eos is decent

Moros I tend to avoid

[tired turret]

Moros seems broken to me

As in literally

[livid bone]

The collision is so bad

[thin wave]

aw i cant show my funny build here

[tired turret]

And figuratively tbh hera and Zeus is nuts

[livid bone]

Broken as in OP or as in doesn't work

It can work in melee range if you first use the Omega Special and then start shooting the attacks

[tired turret]

Yes

Its broken collision sucks. But once that's fixed its going to DESTROY

[livid bone]

Also the funny sound it makes might be reason enough for admission

[glad breach]

Is there somewhere more navigatable than discord where folk are having discussions about optimal arcana setups?

[midnight nacelle]

What exactly are the benefits of || adding extra difficulties to the runs via that altar between the start of the under/overworld || ?

[spare kite]

Setting the right amount of fear will highlight a boss to the left (and with the right weapon indicated under the boss portrait)
If you kill that boss with that fear amount will get you a nightmare, used to upgrade your weapon aspects

[midnight nacelle]

Thank you I will certainly look out for that next time

[small canopy]

I like that it’s more of a bounty system than before, I think that’s interesting and a good way to shake it up

But good lord the inability to get more than one Nightmare per run is painful

[spare kite]

Not a fan of how the fear increases either
But that's mostly a result of not liking the current pact

[gritty oasis]

i find more success starting with hestia keepsake over poseidon for pan builds

[uncut wren]

Anyone else having serious problems getting builds together? Admittidly i'm only 12 runs in, but more then once I've gotten to sirens without so much as an attack boon. Makes things super fustrating.

This was never a problem with Hades 1.

Had one run where all I got was support boons, and by the time I got to Cerberus, I basically was hitting like a boonless run

[spare kite]

The extra core boon sucks so much to find what you want
It does get better if you wanna run rerolls/artificer at least

[gritty oasis]

you're only 12 runs in, atleast level up a keepsake to match the build you want to go for