h2-builds-and-combat

[topaz peak]

Zeus does it for hera too

[steel sequoia]

normally you can pick one of 3 boons, but that was the last one before the chronos and i had only 1 option, so i had to sac all for them

[copper sun]

I feel like Hera's rather weaker overall, which is a shame for the queen of the gods

[topaz peak]

Pan as well

[brittle prairie]

Blitz is really mediocre atm so thats not neccesarily a bad thong

[copper sun]

Hitch is cool conceptually but I don't think it feels great

[topaz peak]

Pan gets expensive

[steel sequoia]

today i got the last boon as like 90 gold too, feels weird

[brittle prairie]

Aside from the cast that is absolutely not the consensus

[spare kite]

How did that happen, -2 boons per choice vow?

[brittle prairie]

hitch is extremely powerful, as is the priming MP regen

[steel sequoia]

no, i think the game just rip you off choices

[topaz peak]

Mate have you used the epic version of her regen

[steel sequoia]

one time i got like this and 1 heph legendary and i could save the build, this time i had no other option

[distant ocean]

i'm not sold on hitching either, things shouldn't last long enough to get hitched. :T

[faint oyster]

Yeah, Hera's cast feels very weird.

[copper sun]

not all of her boons are weak (just like not all of Zeus' boons are weak) but Hitch is just a mechanic I'm not in love with

[distant ocean]

if they do last long enough to get hitched, you're not beating the deadline already. but for like normal runs I suppose it's fine there's probably some really niche application, like siren fight it's okay, but we need more arreal summit fights before it's super good

[wet nova]

Blitz is second worst dps after scorch

[steel sequoia]

i dont like hera cast, the bonus time is worse than helpfull

[wet nova]

Tested it myself and the internal CD is over 1s

[brittle prairie]

Blitz is terrible

atleast scorch damages past armor

[topaz peak]

If you can get hera’s like deal more damage with all none normal boons boon and then at the end get her turn boons heroic you’re probably set

[steel sequoia]

zeus is a good sup

[distant ocean]

blitz is okay if you can manage to put it on your non primary damage source

[faint oyster]

Blitz wants attack spam if I recall. And there is a secondary boon that makes Blitz auto-trigger.

[copper sun]

Bridal Glow's pretty good depending on the situation, but if it selects a bad boon you're screwed

[wet nova]

Blitz damage is mainly terrible because it requires activation using either your attack or special, scorch can be applied in many ways

[steel sequoia]

if u can flood the screen witch hitch and spam blitz quickly enough its worths, but than ur doomed at the bosses

[brittle prairie]

it still has a cooldown no matter how fast you hit 120

[faint oyster]

Bridal Glow is only good near the endgame though. A little harder to justify at the start of the run.

[wet nova]

Not good enough trust me https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/938077229206876223/1239715786063351829/8mb.video-QlE-830uomIG.mp4?ex=6645404c&is=6643eecc&hm=2f33d1c98cbe67c0c84d381eb0413ab6db1a4f830344d518c499b5a32b3ee5b2&

This video shows exaclty how bad it is

[distant ocean]

blitz is still basically a 10~20% dps increase if used on your non primary, not super crazy, but you know in line with alot of other dps increases

I would not waste a high fear boon for it ever lol

[wet nova]

It’s a dps loss in most cases if you’re giving up something else for it

[copper sun]

hence "depending on the situation"

[faint oyster]

Is that Medea?

[brittle prairie]

definitely not??? even hera giving +60% and ignoring hitch is much better

[wet nova]

Momus

[faint oyster]

Oh right

[wet nova]

It’s to show I did almost 6k damage but blitz didn’t even proc 10 times in the video

[rotund jay]

what's a good special boon for wands omega special spam

[distant ocean]

again i'm talking about applying blitz with your non primary damage source, like if you play pan, putting blitz on your attack is just a free blitz for your special spam.

[wet nova]

The internal cd is just that long

[wet nova]

It’s a loss in dps to even hit the attack for blitz probably lol

[faint oyster]

Wands as in Staff or Torches?

[topaz peak]

Just use normal special on momos and Poseidon special but otherwise i drink

[restive perch]

what are the easiest 20 fear choices for a momus run?

[rotund jay]

torches

[topaz peak]

Oh torches

[distant ocean]

well for daggers specifically not because you use the Ω attack on them to reposition yourself and get behind bosses

[topaz peak]

I’ve heard aphro on special is good and stick close

[wet nova]

Even more so in that case cos other boons will do more damage

[faint oyster]

Poseidon is great on Special, pair with a Cast boon to make it easier. Hestia has special mention here due to Duo mechanics.

[wet nova]

Cos don’t forget you won’t just have attack damage from the boon you’ll likely also have other sources

[rotund jay]

really aphro? interesting

[distant ocean]

very doubtful, heph is the second best option and it is only going to belike 5% dps increase overall.

[topaz peak]

If you’re doing that aphro is the better choice anyway

[wet nova]

Blitz doesn’t scale well with other sources I guess it counts as a debuff but pops the moment 120 damage happens

[rotund jay]

I thought maybe not because the base damage is like 20

[distant ocean]

not really, considering the intervals in which you do it aren't very high

[wet nova]

Then Hephaestus is even better lol

[distant ocean]

the only argument against this really is the oppurtunity cost, boons at high fear are expensive AND the loss of potential duos lol

[topaz peak]

At that point yeah

[distant ocean]

well no because 200 damage every 12 seconds vs 200 blitz every 0.5seconds ??? yo

[wet nova]

0.5s is not the cd

[charred flame]

Trying to wrap my head around hephaestus not being wack as eff but I cannot

[distant ocean]

blitz is bad but it's not that bad

[wet nova]

I literally showed you a video where I did 6k damage and not even 10 blitz procced

[rotund jay]

hm, if you have poseiden on special, and a crit gets procced, does the poseiden damage crit too or just the special damage

[wet nova]

I didn’t time it exactly but it’s definitely over 1s

Ok under 1s slightly

[distant ocean]

okay literalyl rewatch your video, watch the 311 number fire away every 0.5s, that seems like the icd lol

[brittle prairie]

Only the crit from wolf howl I believe

[wet nova]

Also your example was to do with long intervals anyways😂😭

[brittle prairie]

which is best spent on your strongest attack

[bleak night]

I love Wolf Howl

[distant ocean]

of applying blitz, but blitz lasts awhile lol

[wet nova]

I believe all crits are separate

Actually for Poseidon attack it might be linked together

I wish we could test boons against skelly

[distant ocean]

the interval of applying it isn't high but it stays for 6seconds which is like 12 blitzes lol way better than heph

[spare kite]

Only the special itself

[restive perch]

any suggestions on which fear options to pick for a momus run at 20 fear?

[wet nova]

Hephaestus also has vent if you get lucky for it

[distant ocean]

and it's also aoe

[brittle prairie]

it works soecifically on wolf howl crit buff iirc

[spare kite]

Isn't the wording specifically attack/special, pos is an extra dmg source

[brittle prairie]

probably better to spec hep dash instead if attack or special

[wet nova]

But heph dash drains mana

So unless you got born gain which you probably might it could screw your damage over

[brittle prairie]

Worth it for how cheap it is

if you stagger your sprint you can still charge mana while not firing it off

[wet nova]

I don’t like how it always will do it when you sprint meaning sometimes it can just pause your magick regen when you just wanna sprint away

[distant ocean]

i mean realistically this is all theortical for any heat

and blitz might only be useful for skull, dagger, and axe, things with good reason to use their other damage modality.

or moros

[red perch]

builds for charon axe?

[distant ocean]

apollo cast go brr.

[wet nova]

Blitz should be able to either have a lower internal cd or have some sort of boon where you can get more blitz damage by doing more damage

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1240067440059355146/image.png?ex=6645364d&is=6643e4cd&hm=e37dd80cca8323a1494ce0812b4d1f06fc5d11931625b841cb7bcaac4e50090f& if you can get these duo boons it goes crazy good

[jaunty kayak]

does anyone have a VOD for beating trials of heist... i swear everyone i ask was boasting how trivial trails are but i am like 20+ tries on this one now...

[brittle prairie]

Blitz should have 0 cooldown

[jaunty kayak]

like its legit harder than 32 fear right now

[distant ocean]

haven't rtied it yeti 'ma go do it and get back to ya lol

[wet nova]

Then it could become too op cos it would go from static damage to more % based

[jaunty kayak]

cerebus spawns 20 ads on first wave change and i am completely screwed on timer

[wet nova]

Every 120 damage you deal 240 damage it becomes basically

[distant ocean]

trial of hestia? like the flame?

[jaunty kayak]

heist

[brittle prairie]

apollo cast, cast boost arcana cards+100 base damage and a 30% additive is very strong

[distant ocean]

dang, i don't even have that one.

[jaunty kayak]

5min mournin field clear, just get metallic tear and you will unlock it

[distant ocean]

are more trials only unlocked as you beat htem? i haven't been doing them at all

oh lol, it's time of day specific?

[jaunty kayak]

no, once you get everything in the preset loadout you should unlock it.

[distant ocean]

oh nvm i got it, it looked like haste

[jaunty kayak]

https://i.imgur.com/S0MC5Yg.png

[distant ocean]

is what you mean lol

not heist 🙂 heist is a robbery lol

[brittle prairie]

other percent based damage isnt broken thats just essentially a +100% damage boost

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/VCHjvCF just to check correct?

[jaunty kayak]

yes this one

[distant ocean]

i'ma give it a shot then : D

kind of an eh hammer, and poseidon gain is kinda super rng but i think it's maybe possible

[topaz peak]

The music in this game is so damn good. Just been listening to it over and over

[jolly bramble]

torrential downpour with the increase cast size from apollo makes larger and larger cast circles

[jaunty kayak]

i swear cerebus takes more than 2:30 to clear for me with that preset ;w;

[distant ocean]

are you picking up solar ring on the way? I feel like that's an important grab

[jaunty kayak]

solar ring?

[distant ocean]

that and slippery slope are and potentially daze + dmg to daze are going to be crucial

[distant ocean]

it's apollos' cast damage, it's really strong and it's going to help your output significantly

[jaunty kayak]

yeah on good seeds i have them

its still worse than omega attack if you roll any heroic mana gen i think

[zenith bolt]

this is what i did for trial of haste https://youtu.be/XAgaZ-t8oxU

it kinda sucks you can't replay trials

[jaunty kayak]

good to know i am not the only one that's tanking timer

[distant ocean]

yeah this is dumb lol, but I suppose it's gonna help familiarize us with the various fields

I didn't even make it to cerberus in this run, just tryna get a feel for things, but we go again :B

[jaunty kayak]

i dont think solar ring is that big of a deal because it doesnt help with ad clear

[zenith bolt]

you're kinda at the mercy of not getting bad rng with certain types of mobs in regular encounters

[distant ocean]

little does but you've got a decent ad clear in your omega attack

and atleast we got pos special lol where my momus at tho

[jaunty kayak]

now i feel way better about people that claims its free might have been fooled by other free trials

[distant ocean]

lol

well i'm not that good of a player tbh, maybe you were just talking to some legends

[jaunty kayak]

nah its like every single person i asked ytd on twitch and this discord lol

[distant ocean]

i got cerb down to 30%, really bad rng on the encoutners tho, everything was an armored rapid puncher or wolf, like literally nothing but giant hp sponges..

[zenith bolt]

always brightens my day a little to see narcissus give me the +1 stardust and +2 all elements

[distant ocean]

golden petals should also lead straight to boughs and not into the abyss, just poor rogueliking tbh.

[distant ocean]

top tier

[jaunty kayak]

basically warranting give up for fixed seeds run

[distant ocean]

yeah, I wasted 30seconds atleast trying to find direction.

[sturdy trail]

I finished Fear 16 top and bottom and put my hands up, I can't imagine 32

[distant ocean]

One thing you can do though that will help is to use your omegas, even when no magick to slow down the dot you take when you go past the vow of desperation limit

in the midst of the cerberus fight just to give you more time to get to posiedon orbs lol

and try desperately to stockpile orbs for when that happens

and never overheal

https://ibb.co/FV82Pp6 oh right... lol

ez seed

[jaunty kayak]

inb4 20 cerebus ads ruins your day

[distant ocean]

xd

guess what doesn't backstab!!! your omega attack wooooo lol

[jaunty kayak]

its from above xDD

[distant ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/devoun-piggy-mad-rage-frick-gif-16587175

it's atleast good for speeding up clear without magick atleast

[hollow stag]

What’s the best non aspect weapon to use with Hera boons?

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/wy5PJxv you weren't wrong, I got armored wolf ads, which is, just the worst lol

[zenith bolt]

oh ok the moon dust from charon is 3 moon dust, neat

[distant ocean]

hera boons describes a litany of things

and it's pretty much a scale, and the answers are nuanced and numerous, i'd probably say daggers

or axe

maybe torches

with hitch specifically in mind

[forest veldt]

why hera boons?

[hybrid vale]

Had a really good run on axe with Hephaestus sprint + that one hammer boon that makes the omega attack faster and lets you move while spinning faster

If you sprint with a charged spin and keep holding sprint, the Hephaestus sprint's attack will still go off while you're spinning, easy kill on most enemies if you circle around them

[desert mountain]

Someone needs to give me more advice on that last phase of Eris, I don't think I can cheese that shiz anymore

[hybrid vale]

also good paired with other boons that add onto omega attack

[distant ocean]

and bosses on every field encounter, lol this game is horribly balanced 🙂

[jolly bramble]

have hestia sprint and just run in front of eris

[zenith bolt]

if you have one of the pillars alive, use it
otherwise, stay on your feet and try to dash behind her

[distant ocean]

if you dont' play the most broken things you just can't participate in the rng fest.

[desert mountain]

I don't usually and wish I didn't have to rely on a boon

[desert mountain]

Dashing behind her only works when she isn't on oil or against the map border

[zenith bolt]

you just know they're gonna nerf soot sprint on eris

[ionic lily]

Wait behind the pillar until she moves then

[desert mountain]

They're destroyed by the time I enter the last phase

[spare kite]

Use frinos as meat shield

[ionic lily]

Try to interrupt her snipe move by whaling on her during it

[steel sequoia]

ikd what am i doing wrong but i feel this is too slow https://postimg.cc/vx790fv7

[jolly bramble]

well blades and skull have mobility that will let you hit her from behind, staff can outgun her, axe has a block and torch...well torch can hit behind the pillars

[desert mountain]

32 min is alright my guy, game is pretty punishing and enemies are absurdly tanky you're good.

[jolly bramble]

eris getting 2k scorch damage just from eating all the bullets

[steel sequoia]

1 fear, i feel that would be faster like 25m

tho i didnt find any cast to help

[zenith bolt]

nah it was meant for frinos actually https://i.imgur.com/j36YBdn.png

[spare kite]

"that blasted toad"

[jolly bramble]

she hates frinos so much

[distant ocean]

lied about the slowdown from ohm even i forgot that trials don't let you have arcanas lol

more boss spawns in the field lol

[spare kite]

She gets mad about both familiars lmao

[forest veldt]

going to the right rooms rly helps w/ time assuming ur build is good. also in general, omega builds are slower because they need magick to do dmg

[sweet knoll]

Aspect of Persefone on Skull. Anyone can explain to me how it works? Because I can't see any difference.

[haughty depot]

upgrading familiars, aspects, and keepsakes are all reflected in trials right? upgrading arcana too?

[steel sequoia]

yeah spamming special doesnt help even being poseidon, should have gone for a sprint or attack earlier

[tired fulcrum]

If theyre part of your loadout in the trial

Though you bring familiars anyways

[forest veldt]

yea either build into something else than u can spam for clear and use omega for bosses or get strong gain to always have magick

[steel sequoia]

my magic was fine

i had heph regen

[forest veldt]

hm, were u struggling killing ads w/ the special?

[spare kite]

Deal dmg = charge meter > have enough meter, you use it and get to control your omega speciak for a while.
The catch is that it charges stupid slow with your attack alone
Some people have mentioned to use casts instead

And most people are just spamming omega special without meter anyways cuz of the dmg buff the aspect has

[shell swan]

glory is unpredictable, useless, and maybe bugged

its mostly for the bonus you get for upgrading it which is pretty nnice

[zenith bolt]

i wouldn't say it's useless

[distant ocean]

i got him down to 10% lol, it's doable just yeah, you need way more gorgan spawns than this remedial game wants to give you.

if you get even 50% wolf and boxer spawns then you're just cooked, wastes too much time.

and staff omega attack is just dookie for aiming lol

[river hornet]

Spoilers for the second boss I guess (and mild spoilers for "post-game" content) but I ran into Extreme Speed off a ||Hera>Apollo|| Boon combo: ||https://youtu.be/PY4ZvMcbySY|| Don't recall ever going this fast before.

[distant ocean]

it's really just awful from a basic design pov

[sweet knoll]

thanks, it really sounds confusing

[sweet knoll]

yeah, I agree with some of that

[cunning dove]

Where do I find a list of the duo boons and stuff again?

[spare kite]

The rate of charge is prob just feedback material (I hope)

Idk if sgg was considering it this slow cuz it makes you invincible or idk

[split igloo]

too bad this game doesnt have a rush delivery equivalent

[sweet knoll]

It just seems kinda too obscure right now

[spare kite]

Unlock all god keepsakes, incantation of x2 ambrosia and 2 poppies

Is in your codex (or do you mean the steam post that also has the boons)

[cunning dove]

Nono I have it in game I meant where do I find it online

I hope they let us check codex while picking boons asap

[distant ocean]

i don't think any of thesevideo game publications want to earn their wages and publish something so helpful to the general public because that would require more than asking chat gpt what this game is about.

[spare kite]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[cunning dove]

Thanks!

[distant ocean]

leave it to the community tho 😄

super giant should just do it themselves. but i suppose that would take away from the vision of having a game where you ahve to ~discover everything on your own~

[steel sequoia]

king's ransom tortures me

[tight shard]

got this in the first chamber this thing is busted LOL https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892976012273516604/1240114764445913229/2024-05-14_21-23-41.jpg?ex=66456260&is=664410e0&hm=fe644d641c744c3368ecf2cb70bd14e7767c56640ee471df88c210c0d93bf58c&

[distant ocean]

though it's a bit pompous, and fart sniffy, poe has a build tree on their website even.

[tight shard]

i activated a trove and it was over immediately

[distant ocean]

and while that's a thousand times more intricate a game it doesn't mean that the option takes away from anything or anyone it just comes across as absolute general lazines and for a game that costs money lol get it tf together.

[cunning dove]

im assuming that in a later patch we get to check it while picking a boon

[tough vapor]

why do the polythemus sheep hit so hard, they just turn into a shredder and deal like, 6 dmg ticking every like, .25 seconds

[spare kite]

What surprises me the most of the codex is the relationship gauge being locked behind an incantation

[wooden pumice]

Has anyone gotten aspect of charon plus apollo cast to work? It doesnt explode when I hit with special

[tough vapor]

and you cant even kill them off

[spare kite]

Are you casting omega cast? It needs to be normal cast for charon to work

[zenith bolt]

very cool https://i.imgur.com/gxAUmor.png

[wooden pumice]

Ohh god damnit

[zenith bolt]

the fated rank 6 momus https://i.imgur.com/f1ySzwZ.png

[steep heron]

any tips for trial of heartache? it's the only one i can't finish, i hate eos aspect

[distant ocean]

doubt, it justseems like they intentionally make things as inconvenient as possible because that's what makes games good right? darkest dungeons does it and look how many people cared about those games for weeks!

[ionic moon]

I started throwing together something here: https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app

[steel sequoia]

this is good

tho i think the texts are too huge

spiteful strength is worth? looks weird to me

[tired fulcrum]

+200% is a lot especially on attack but hard to trigger when we dont have a purging pool

[ionic moon]

you'd have to plan a run around it probably, just like going ares in hades 1 specifically to chase merciful end

[thick carbon]

this may be my first twin flames run (i suck at twin flames) https://youtu.be/i_umUPSW5eU

[ionic moon]

you could put a boon on special while leaving attack open

[shadow marsh]

Has anyone gotten the hera hephestus duo that boosts your non-boon attacks? It's cracked.

Got it on than axe and clowned on chronos

[jolly bramble]

does the heph boon that prevents knockback also prevent being sucked in by the vacuum effects?

[lusty heron]

Does it empower your attacks when heph is on cooldown as well ? Or purely boonless skills ?

[jolly bramble]

it has to be no boons at all

[tepid tiger]

can someone tell me whats up with the Chronos instakill? Im not doing this stuff again

[cunning dove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028569491094908951/1240123385632260138/63d0def3395289a943e731461719ecb4.png?ex=66456a67&is=664418e7&hm=2a6925ed0408b489a34fc264d3b55abd99ecfa75e7511fb50c12e4292dac06fd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless Ofcourse these are the chaos boons when im just going for a farm/prophecies run lmao

[steep heron]

holy crap, i beat it!
i was lucky and got a shop instead of Charybdis

[jolly bramble]

theres a spot somewhere in the stage where you can sit to stay safe. or iframe the damage

[silent crow]

how Ordinary

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717361358081097748/1237962740073758791/SPOILER_image.png?ex=6644ce65&is=66437ce5&hm=0819e4565e3de0d43b5c99b6586cca03b88f75025abd505180a051c7afbb0b12&

[tepid tiger]

so be inside it?

[jolly bramble]

ye

i guess its not that obvious? theres a lot of people complaining about that attack

[tepid tiger]

that crap and not easy to tell

had a great run lost cause I have no freaking idea whats going on

[cunning dove]

thats the point

[cursive knot]

I mean having no idea what's going on is always going to make boss hard

[cunning dove]

dying = learning

[tepid tiger]

to have a bs attack where you GUESS whats going on

[cursive knot]

Now you know and probably won't die again

[tepid tiger]

each AOE attack has a marker

[cunning dove]

first time youre like whats happening, second tiem you realise whats happening

[jolly bramble]

for some of us, it was immediately obvious. first time i hit 2nd phase i knew that there would be a spot for safety

[tepid tiger]

why have Scylla drummer AOE that says where you are gonnna be safe but not have the same thing

thats crap

[cunning dove]

theres a mssive lightbeam showing whre you are safe I dont get your point

[spare kite]

I think is a colors issue mainly,
Something like the- yeah drummer/cerb aoe are more obvious

[zenith bolt]

aww thats cute https://i.imgur.com/lNj09eQ.png

[tepid tiger]

I guess Im dumb cause I thought to get as far away as possible

[spare kite]

There's just a lot of black/gold in the fight

[tepid tiger]

cause all the other AOE were marked

[cursive knot]

I mean I did same thing first fight but then just realize "oh you go towards it" and never die to it again

[cunning dove]

Thats fair, but when that goes wrong you realise its the other way around. Thats the point of these games. No one beats chronos first try

[ionic lily]

Yeah, but after the first time you get hit by it, you then try to do the opposite to see if it avoids it

[jolly bramble]

nah man. theres still a decent number of people that have been complaining about it

[spare kite]

I still think there's a difference between "you get hit" vs "instant death"

And this is speaking from someone who dodged it

[shadow marsh]

Also it's always consistent that the part that's shaded in is the part you're not supposed to stand

[tepid tiger]

the AOE marker should be consistent

as someone that plays Kaizo, you should have a chance to first try something with good reads

the point of the game is to beat it multiple times

[rain hazel]

Smithy sprint seems good dmg wise but damn is it a mana eater.

[shadow marsh]

The drummer in the siren fight also has an aoe you need to stand inside to dodge

[cunning dove]

I've seen many people dodge it first try tbh

[tepid tiger]

EXACTLY

[haughty depot]

i did that chronos mechanic blind because it looks a lot like ff14 mechanics to me 💀

[tepid tiger]

AND IT SHOWS WHERE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO STAND

[cursive knot]

I mean so does this one

[tepid tiger]

there is no reason to not try to give people a chance to have a good read

[wet nova]

I don’t think I’ve ever died to the instakill attack unless it was because of the hourglass trapping me

[ionic lily]

So does this, its just a different highlight

[tepid tiger]

THATS THE POINT ITS INCONSITENT

[cunning dove]

Final boss and its an INSTA KILL, why would it need to be the same marker?

[tepid tiger]

WHY WOULDNT YOU NEED IT TO BE

[wet nova]

It’s not inconsistent tho, your eyesight is inconsistent

[cunning dove]

one hits you for 20 while the other instakills you

[tepid tiger]

LUL

[distant ocean]

@wet nova you were right blitz is absolutely garbage, i was under the impression that it could self-replicate, not have to be reapplied everytime it went off lolol

[cunning dove]

Each their own opinion I guess but I think its compltely fine for a roguelike to do something like this

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl the one thats has a bs telegraph is the shrinking circle because it looks like youre supposed to not dash out of it when thats what you have to do

[shadow marsh]

@tepid tiger I get that you're miffed but losing to chronos isn't even a big deal, the difference between winning and losing is one material that's barely even used right now. Just be content you learned something and go next.

[cursive knot]

I beat the boss like 5 times before figuring that out

[tired fulcrum]

Tho that one isnt a oneshot at least

[wet nova]

lol, it’s just cos it does not scale well at all, what would be cool is if that lightning to all foes every 5 second could apply it as free damage

[tepid tiger]

Im miffed that it doesnt feel like I got a fair shot

[distant ocean]

finally getting around to testing smaller things now that everything's done lol

[wet nova]

Now that one I agree

[grave forge]

anecdotal, but when I saw the highlighted tiny circle far away from my current position my first thought was along the lines of "hmm, the boss probably isn't aiming an attack way over there, it must be the safe zone"

[cunning dove]

Yeah complaints about the shrinking circle are completely fair imo

[wet nova]

I initially thought stay in its middle and you’re safe, but quickly got it since I tried to iframe the circle in the middle lol

[haughty depot]

how do we like engagement ring (hera cast)? i think it's crazy good in oceanus and ephyra

[wet nova]

The issue is CHRONOS IS NOT ATTACKING YOU HE IS AFK when the instalill is happening

[zenith bolt]

what do i even do with this https://i.imgur.com/BSIpxOr.png

[distant ocean]

that would be cool and it would have a good trade off of making it difficult to support the huntress or a magick heavy build

[wet nova]

You being greedy and damaging him instead of going to a circle if your own fault not poor game design

[cursive knot]

Watch number go up

[faint oyster]

use them as mats for shadow? > moon dust

[distant ocean]

altho momus would abuse that the most

[jolly bramble]

save for future upgrades. aesthetic upgrades are coming soon ™️

[zenith bolt]

its like 30 per and i get like 160 a run

[wet nova]

Just know if a boss is not attacking you There is a reason for that.

[peak wasp]

what fear do people use for speedruns?

[cursive knot]

I dislike it but mostly because it lasting so long makes it hard to reposition

[spare kite]

Trial of haste sucks

[wet nova]

It’s good for axe spin to win simply because otherwise cast never lasts long. Enoigh

[distant ocean]

probably like 9+forsaking and maybe the 0 magic boon if momus

[wet nova]

Your cast will run out before you even charge 20/20 on the spin without Hera

[distant ocean]

maybe or maybe not forsaking tho idk

[wet nova]

Therefore on spin2win it’s a must have

[tired fulcrum]

0 healing heat for antler strats

[distant ocean]

hte initial 9 just being the free desperation vow

[haughty depot]

yeah the synergy with cyclone is nuts

[cursive knot]

Eh maybe will have to try more with thanatos but even with axe I would still prefer most other casts with it

[haughty depot]

also engagement ring completely invalidates some of the really tiny enemies

[peak wasp]

wait which ones?

[distant ocean]

it's very good for speedruns and insta phasing hekate ad phase

[haughty depot]

yeah hecate and scylla adds

[cursive knot]

That actually sounds like a sick use for it

[distant ocean]

and oceanus swarms, but it does not scale into armored enemies or high fear blue health bars very well

maybe it'd still be useful for hekate phase pushing in no blue bar fear runs

[cursive knot]

Scylla feel like she dies before the adds even attack most of the time

[haughty depot]

the time you cut on hecate and oceanus feels worth it

esp if you manage to sacrifice it when you're done with it

in the larger tartarus rooms tho it points me to where enemies spawn offscreen sometimes too

[distant ocean]

if it can still push them then sure, if it doesn't save much time prolly just a waste of boonin when you get on up there

[cursive knot]

May have to give it a few more tries. Wish we still had the purging wells cause could see myself taking it before oceanus and then selling after

[hollow stag]

Nvm, she’s really good for infinite mana.

[distant ocean]

hera boons seem very important for all competitive build paths rather it's high fear momus where you want all the hera stuff or artemis where you want hera gain or any fear runs where you need the engagement ring, I think hera is actually S tier in this regard

[zenith bolt]

took the whole run but yay, another fated list done https://i.imgur.com/hkdkFUp.png

[haughty depot]

well hera does get a sacrifice boon and a sacrifice duo

[cursive knot]

Gz

[distant ocean]

she does get spiteful strength though which is aphrodite for range users basically

[cursive knot]

I really like hera attack for axe too so would be easy to slot in the cast if wind up liking it

She has a ton of nice support boons too

[haughty depot]

id mess with hera axe if not for apollo

[distant ocean]

i think apollos s tier just because of his backstab boon lol

[cursive knot]

I didn't like apollo as much just cause of muscle memory with the spacing feeling weird

[distant ocean]

das a lotta damage~

[ancient bloom]

Apollo prolly my favorite good, everything he does is just so good

[cursive knot]

Apollo sprint one of my favorite boons in the game

[hollow stag]

Hera’s Born Again Boon is so good it should’ve been harder to get, such as a Duo boon.

[ancient bloom]

his Legendary is sooooooo busted

[distant ocean]

apollo damage vs daze is also very strong

[cursive knot]

Ture

[distant ocean]

atleast compared to the others of it's nature

[cursive knot]

Apollo sprint is so fun

[haughty depot]

apollo axe outranges most of cerberus' stuff

[distant ocean]

he's just got a bucket of damage support even if his main attack and special boons are substandard and aoe focused

[ancient bloom]

best cast, best sprint, best lego, some cool duos AND he's outrageously hot, he truly does it all

[odd ruin]

question, are there any ways of reducing your max hp to make use of the white antler?

[haughty depot]

turning off arcana

[distant ocean]

yes, simply don't take titan or centaur cards and don't bring frinos

[ancient bloom]

avoid the arcana that gives 5 HP after stages

[distant ocean]

or bring toula instead when you get her

[cursive knot]

Hestia Magick gain boon comes to mind as well

[odd ruin]

ok, honestly hp is overrated anyways

[distant ocean]

it really is lol good gameplay*, a good enough weapon to not get swamped in enemies, armor, death defiance, and impervious effects/blocking are much better defensive tools that scale with any amount of incoming damage

[tall notch]

What was starting hp without titan? 30?

[distant ocean]

yes

[cursive knot]

I think its apollo/hestia (?) Duo boon lowers max hp too

[odd ruin]

also, how do you remove frinos as your companion?

[cursive knot]

Do u have toula unlocked?

[ancient bloom]

on the training ground click on him to stay

[odd ruin]

thanks

[odd ruin]

don't know who that is so probably not

[cursive knot]

Ah she's alternative to frinos that doesn't give hp but if you can have him stay that works too

[distant ocean]

tis the kitty cat, but yeah you can just order frinos to stay

[odd ruin]

ok

[distant ocean]

to unlock toula you just ||need to get to the docks in the surface after beating the cyclops while carrying the fishing rod and fishing once or twice there, she'll show up ventually||

[bleak night]

I didn't realize it was tied to having that item

[brittle prairie]

You dont need the fishing rod

I never used it and I got Toula

[distant ocean]

I don't even really know if it is I just read it somewhere after not finding toula in like all of my runs

maybe it's just that you had to catch a fish once which i had not done.

[bleak night]

I saw her without fishing in the surface, too

[brittle prairie]

msybe you need it unlocked but I never had to use it

[odd ruin]

tried clicking on frinos to have him stay but thats not working

[distant ocean]

you gotta click em with the interact button in the loadout area

otherwise i mean just work towards getting toula tbh xd

[spare kite]

Isn't that through the incantation that lets them rest? Or is that just for the buff

[distant ocean]

white antler ain't going nowhere, all the beautiful low life buildin will come, god keepsakes are nearly as strong for consistency sake anyways right now

[distant ocean]

i can't keep track of every little feature's unlocking status or requirements lol, it was all unimportant background noise to me in the moment

they should for a joke just release a version of the game where you have to do an incantation and collect items to unlock keyso nyour keyboard

congratulations, you built the tower of ymir, now you may strafe left lol

well that's like norse mythos but still

[rain hazel]

Remind me never to get smithy sprint again...

[distant ocean]

Why? having too much fun?

[rain hazel]

No, the opposite. Just eats mana. Maybe with daggers it would work but still not sure.

[distant ocean]

hera's got a gain f'dat

[charred flame]

Does the huntress Arcana activate when you have Magick primed?

[spare kite]

Nope

[charred flame]

Didn't think so. That's wack

[distant ocean]

😎 but trust me smithy sprint is pretty decent, you can clear with it if you build around it, it does okay damage

[tired fulcrum]

If 100% of your magick is primed then i think it does but only that

[rain hazel]

Maybe im just missing something then, but just felt like I was losing mana that I needed for my torches

[distant ocean]

hera's magick gain, regen

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl smithy sprint is kinda annoying if youre relying on regen per second for magic gain and are focusing on omegas

[distant ocean]

yeah I mean smithy sprint isn't a good addition to a build, it is the build :T

you kinda have to build around accomodating itrather than

[rain hazel]

I dont have hera

[distant ocean]

that's fair I'm just saying, just because it doesn't work in this build doesn't mean that it's totally bad

but here's the reminder lol never take smithy sprint

honestly never take any sprint that isn't apollo and hermes and maybe demeter if you're struggling for origination 🙂

[rain hazel]

I get that, but didnt seem like something that would work in other builds as well. Guess if you built around it since it does 200 dmg +100 per level just at common I can see it

[distant ocean]

if you just get enough magick and a large magick regen like hera then you're good togo

and enough general damage increases

it's not a like high end build by any means but it is a fun one to play

[rain hazel]

Honestly the only Hephaestus boon ive liked is the special with dagger.

[autumn seal]

has anyone checked if aspect of artemis' parry ability works on chronos' instakill attack?

[distant ocean]

i'm a heph simp, the value of trusty shield is extremely high to me still, and mint condition is literally the strongest defensive boon for fast runs

[distant ocean]

yes it does, so does daze, dodge, and other imperviousness effects like demeter shield or hermes sprint

[autumn seal]

huh interesting

[distant ocean]

but not axe block

[steel sequoia]

im having such a rough time with driftting controller with that lmao, im literally holding casts to not die

[runic ocean]

so what do you run with medea?

[distant ocean]

lol the solution to all life's problems is artemis :B

[bleak night]

I put Aphro attack and Demeter on the Special

[strange kite]

aside from hermes keepsake and specific hammers are there any other ways to charge omega faster?

on knives mainly but also axe

[spare kite]

Chaos

[bleak night]

mostly Chaos, yeah

[strange kite]

[distant ocean]

I kinda like poseidon on skull attacks if I had to use aspect of tyler perry

[bleak night]

lmao

[strange kite]

so much rng for omega builds

[distant ocean]

very splash

[strange kite]

im a pan believer but taking 10 years to charge up on kronos is paaaaain

[distant ocean]

hmm, aspect of artemis is p good and reduces omega attack channel time by alot lol.. idk if you guys know this about me but i kinda like that aspect :l

[strange kite]

artemis reduces omega channel time???

[distant ocean]

it reduces omega attack channeling by 60%

very zip zop

[strange kite]

wow okay sounds op

[distant ocean]

very mana hungry

[strange kite]

waaait

omega channeling or omega attack channeling?

[distant ocean]

specifically the left click attack

[strange kite]

those are 2 very different things

lul nvm i dont wanna play artemis

[distant ocean]

panheads.

smh my head lol

[strange kite]

chaos needs to show up more

[limpid girder]

Pro tip: Night Bloom will resurrect the sirens in Scylla's boss fight.

[lusty heron]

Yeha its great

[distant ocean]

you can also charm one of them with aphrodites' legendary

[lusty heron]

Also gives scylla mental breakdown

[distant ocean]

and resummon one of them with any sort of rezzer

and just make the fight so much easier lol

[strange kite]

i swear the actual hardest part of 40% kronos is that u have no time to deal any damage to kronos safely

like if i focused purely on dodging im sure i can get hit less but like

i wanna zoom yo

once again momus gud

[distant ocean]

yeah, it's rough, but if you're on any heat you can get away with eatting a ton of damage to melt him

sometimes

[strange kite]

tru tru

[distant ocean]

sometimes you just get bad luck and don't get the build going and then that's when you have to play ball lol

[strange kite]

lowkey the thing that kills me the most is clock hands for some reason i neither can or want to talk about

[distant ocean]

i don't wanna talk about em either :T

[hollow stag]

Is Thanatos Axe crit stack bugged with Omega Attack?

I heard it crit % doesn’t up during omega attack

[distant ocean]

and i've been the boshy before alright I can do a touhou bullet hell, but there's less rhyme and reason when you get stun sucked into the minute hands like

[strange kite]

i cant play 2hu

[distant ocean]

ehw/e

[strange kite]

im not good enough to play “dont get hit”

[distant ocean]

well not with that attitude!

[strange kite]

in elden ring i just equiped damage mitigation and said “u cant kill me if i kill u first”

[spare kite]

happens if you pick up psychic whirlwind and with another whirlwind hammer I don't remember

[distant ocean]

advancing whirlwind

[hollow stag]

Those two are the best combo

[distant ocean]

psychic and advancing is still the best hammers, tho

the bug sucks a big one

[hollow stag]

So use default axe in the meantime?

[distant ocean]

i'm sure it's been reported 500 times already tho they're on it :T

honestly that would be my suggestion unless you are good at not getting hit

[strange kite]

i mean no right?

[distant ocean]

ever

[strange kite]

like thana still relevant cuz u dont always get the good hammers

[hollow stag]

That can be manageable. No need to dodge much if they’re dead.

[strange kite]

so having big deeps bonus sometimes even if its not full uptime is great

if ur averaging idk 10% crit chance ur still getting a 20% damage boost

[distant ocean]

aspect of charon might be more useful to pick up in case you get good specials or a godly cast boon selection

[strange kite]

but if ur taking aphro keepsake u know u want to spin to win

[distant ocean]

true 😩

[hollow stag]

30% more damage

[distant ocean]

psychic whirlwind and furious charge is pretty decent too

[strange kite]

? huh?

isnt it 3x damage on crit?

[distant ocean]

crit triples your damage :B not doubles

[strange kite]

yeah. so 1.2x damage with 10% crit chance

[distant ocean]

< .>

[finite jackal]

Off topic question- What's the HP of the hourglass enemy? I want to know what threshold I want to meet for Hera Cast to be viable during act 4. Wiki has yet to be updated.

[zenith bolt]

i think unarmored it's roughly around 200-250?

[hollow stag]

Let’s say base damage is 100

Crit chance is 10%

Crit damage multiplier is 3x, so damage from critical hit is 300.

100 + 300 * 0.1 = 130 average damage

[strange kite]

ur math is wrong

2 ways to do the calc. either think of it as 2 different events and average it or as a bonus event of +2 damage

the easiest way is to think of it as a % chance of doing +2x damage

[zenith bolt]

10% crit chance = 1 of 10 hits are critical
(100 * 9 + 300) / 10 = 120

[distant ocean]

true < . >

[hollow stag]

It’s been awhile since I did math

[strange kite]

so ur damage is 1 + 0.1*2

[distant ocean]

true as heck

[oak ginkgo]

does double wallop stack with extra dose?

[distant ocean]

I was wrong about it too lol

[zenith bolt]

i would assume each hit from double wallop would have its own chance to proc extra dose

[oak ginkgo]

so would that be max 4 hits then?

[zenith bolt]

yea but thats decently unlikely

[distant ocean]

was going for total damage not the total damage difference :l I'm freggin lol smart

the question is can extra dose proc extra dose?

[hollow stag]

If crit chance is 20%, then an average damage is 140?

[tranquil shard]

For the Axe (Aspect of Melinoe), have we figured out any particular boons/builds that work particularly well for it?

[oak ginkgo]

depends on what you want. i find apollo or aphro attack works well

[distant ocean]

wait if crit chance is 20% then average damage outcomes should be 160 shouldn't it?

[zenith bolt]

20% crit chance = 2 out of 10 hits are critical, 8 out of 10 are not
crit multiplier is 3x
assuming base damage of 100,
(100 * 8 + 300 * 2) / 10 = 140

[tranquil shard]

I've been into Zeus on attack for Blitz procs since it was explained to me how it works, but I'll definitely try those out too.

[distant ocean]

real and true, I was taking 20% of the total rather than the increase again 🙂

thanks for being gooder at math

[desert mountain]

Blitz is so strange that I never find myself trying to go for it =/
It's overkill on weaker mobs but barely does enough to justify reapplying it on guardians

[distant ocean]

blitz is in a bad spot : l

[late geode]

for staff double omega what boon to look for?

[desert mountain]

Chain-lightning however is in a great spot

[distant ocean]

chain lightning and air quality are incredibly great

[late geode]

also aspect of melone?

[distant ocean]

chain lightning on blitz not so much but the chain lightning on strike yes yes

[oak ginkgo]

update: it does. does the attack again, standard . 4 hits total

[distant ocean]

ooo chain lightning air quality and artemis arrows the dream.

[desert mountain]

Apollo, Demeter is what I usually go for if I want raw damage on anything that isn't close-up

[zenith bolt]

huh, looks like i have enough stardust to cover the next 2 familiars https://i.imgur.com/Qjp2SI2.png

[late geode]

aight thx

[oak ginkgo]

yo, appolo attack with the crosshatch hammer? banger

[distant ocean]

i really do need to get these trials done lol.

[zenith bolt]

trials only get you 15 thus far

i know i've gotten at least 3 from narcissus

and then theres a few from fated list

[hollow stag]

Does White Antler Keepsake (Artemis) provide a +40% crit rate boost when fully upgraded?

At most 30 health of course

[distant ocean]

Yes and the hp requirement stays 30 or below

[steep heron]

broker sells them too

[hollow stag]

So that basically doubles your damage, 1.8x

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message So to answer the math question we were talking about earlier with Hestia's infusion, I thiiiiink it can work at 32 Fear!

Also Artificer is good actually?

[distant ocean]

artificer is so good, but i think there might be ac hance of rolling into a centaur heart

[civic ocean]

I dont think it matters at Desp 3 you need literally every major find you can find in the first half of the game

[distant ocean]

basically you can turn an ash or grasp or nectar or bone drop into a boon by chance

[civic ocean]

it's not by chance you get 3 charges

[distant ocean]

yeah but there are other majors such as magick, health, etc

[steep heron]

6 grasp seems too expensive to me

[civic ocean]

yeah I think the key is you have to be playing a build that needs everything

[distant ocean]

so it's risky if antler

yep

it's a neccessary risk

[civic ocean]

it cannot be done with antler, but I am very proud to have done 32 Heat Desp 3 with no momus/poseidon/born gain

The clock can be beaten!

[timber pawn]

What did your run look like?

[distant ocean]

nice, what did you use? was it air quality hestia?

a good fire does love it's bellows

https://tenor.com/view/cosmo-kramer-seinfeld-pipe-gif-19982712

[civic ocean]

it's in the vic boasting link but it was Apollo start into Hestia on the road into act 2 heph

No air quality it was just the Hestia Infusion plus two good hammers

[distant ocean]

oh I see it now, they were smaller images off to the side, thought they were just information in the first image srry

heck yeah, if any build could do it's daggers

[civic ocean]

I don't think scorch can kill fast enough to clear 5 minutes a biome but I think it should beat 7 minutes a biome in a laugher

but we'll see

I need to get the build right

[distant ocean]

for sure

there's still alot to test out

what I really want to scrutinize is tough trade

and using things like chaos boons to self damage

[desert mountain]

Alright me and Supergiant have beef now, wtf
https://i.imgur.com/4V1dp2k.png

[civic ocean]

she's a vegan, not beef

[bleak night]

Medea lacks damage atm

I'm running the +2 shell Hammer and Aphro and I'm still doing only 1200 damage, which requires me to ram myself at a target

[thin lantern]

Who?

[faint oyster]

so that's how much the last grasp costs?

[desert mountain]

It would seem to be, yes

[distant ocean]

yeah I dunno where this idea that skulls were the best weapon came from lol

i like playing persephone but i mean even that has a miriad of things I would like better changed

[hollow stag]

I’m about to start Night #19 with a fully upgraded Momus Staff.

That’s the earliest night I got the ingredients for aspects enchantment after defeating Chronos 13 times (first win is 2nd night).

[distant ocean]

sweet got a chronos kill on the 2nd night ?

[hollow stag]

On 2nd save file, and many backup saves.

Hammers appeared on 2nd night, so combat is much easier than Night 1.

[jolly bramble]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[distant ocean]

cool

[jolly bramble]

golden rule with 1700 gold

short by 300 to make the bonus hit +100%

absolutely satisfying tho

[distant ocean]

bro, nice, oh man if you get the golden rule duo and the healing hex with the night card you could potentially just stack infinite gold and damage

or not infinite but like

yeah nvm i forgot there was a cap on uses per fountain lol, they've thought of EVERYTHING

[jolly bramble]

i was trying to get pos special, but hera's showed up first

[distant ocean]

sometimes you just gotta embrace that dosh

[charred flame]

Highest golden rule gold I got was 2500. So +250% all damage

[distant ocean]

and hera is foine ~

[faint oyster]

Hrm... I'm having a hard time with resources right now... would fishing be the best way to gain bones?

[hollow stag]

What’s the crit cap on max upgraded Thanatos axe? 8%

[jolly bramble]

its just 5% not 10% per 100

[jolly bramble]

yes. some of the rarer fish give 60-70 bones

[distant ocean]

prolly silver spade with toula to auto fish for you would be the best way, fishing itself is very slow in RL time so it's very very inefficient

[faint oyster]

so just stuff Toula with treats and max out her fishing skill first?

[distant ocean]

but yeah put on your poseidon keepsake and thirst of the grave with those two things and bring your rerolls so you can turn ash and grasp into bones

[spare kite]

Chaos stuff go up to 110~

[jolly bramble]

only fish i got that had art was the maki from chaos

[distant ocean]

mati

[spare kite]

All the fish in chaos have art

[jolly bramble]

i think just that one

[summer seal]

Going for a skull run, no fear. Never got the hang of it really, have all the aspects at their first level. What is a good aspect + boon setup?

[jolly bramble]

we'll just pretend i made a typo

[spare kite]

Nah, voidskate and proto jelly both do too

[jolly bramble]

i havent seen either of those yet

[sour cape]

hmmm what you think is good hammer for wand? 😆

Special seems lotsa dmg but mana spend 👀

[analog osprey]

is taking everything on the bottom 2 rows + death defiances a very greedy arcana loadout

[jolly bramble]

skulls mostly play in a single playstyle. shoot then dash. persephone has stronger dash which i personally like. medea felt clunky for me. aphro on special isnt a bad idea, but pos apollo and hera all can also work

[mossy beacon]

what does the hestia secret crush boon do? I can get rid of it for health and mana but idk what it does

[distant ocean]

i legitimately think the only good hammer for wands at all like even remotely decent is triple helix and that's like 30% damage at best lol clean helix is also okay, slightly faster channeling is begrugingly acceptable

[jolly bramble]

you can open your boons page to check

[mossy beacon]

oh its the prime 20 to add 7 power to attack, is that worth it on twin blades

[bleak night]

how do I find the Heroic Chaos boon that removes all access to my Arcana for 7 encounters? Only one I have missing for my prophecy

[zenith bolt]

wooo https://i.imgur.com/ucPqIvA.png charon my goat

[distant ocean]

what an absolute daddy.

[late geode]

whats the best build for dagger

[fervent geyser]

depends on what but I normally try to get Poseidon on the attack and get the Zeus boon that makes your strikes emit lightning

[fervent geyser]

for pan get the Poseidon special instead of the attack

[brittle prairie]

20%

[late geode]

back stab build?

aigh thx lemme see

[brittle prairie]

Daggers are very flecible, melee focused is probably artemis with aphrodite, special focus Pan with poseidon or aphrodite

[west galleon]

usually run aspect of pan then either posiedon and hestia or poseidon and zeus

[brittle prairie]

but almost anything works

cause of high rate of damage and high hit rate on both melee and special on all dagger types

you can make use of any kind of damage increase really

though higher additive increase work best with the better melee hammer upgrades and artemis

[cunning dove]

Is there any way to increase legendary boon odds?

[bleak night]

How does one get Barren to spawn ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240155594799972413/image.png?ex=66458866&is=664436e6&hm=c68eb96647a458deecb16b6782507e8e48a31ae9ab7b41d736ddc1653a7385a4

[versed escarp]

seen it once, passed on it and forever regretting it

[fickle glade]

hmmm A of Persephone has a Glory bar but when will it be filled? LMAO

[brittle prairie]

It takes ages

think of ut as a bonus and not somethong you plan around

persephobe is great for the Omega damage boost

[bleak night]

ikr, I need it for the prophecy

[zenith bolt]

within the next 3-6 business days

huh apparently i grabbed chaos death defiance at one point? wtf lol

[lusty heron]

it coincides with silksong release

[zenith bolt]

i am also only missing barren according to boon book

[distant ocean]

persephone is better viewed as a zeus hestia casting weapon rather than a special dasher but I like to special with it too

don't really care too much about the glory aspect, in fact it kinda messes me up more often than not forgetting that it's even there

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbXBuOHRmNHd6eWRiZjBqdnU1bTBldWN2Yjl2ZzY3N3hka216dTIxdCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/jBGwFrLOpFn5LzqknL/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[charred flame]

I feel like 32 fear requires highly specific builds that you are just not going to get 99% of the time

[distant ocean]

nah, you just need to equip a god keepsake and pick up the rerolls and artificer

[charred flame]

Also, what exactly am I supposed to do against a room of armored worm dudes that zip around and machine gun you to death in 2s

[distant ocean]

32 fear is fairly achievable for every weapon

[charred flame]

Grabbed the rerolls and it never helps

It literally always changes it to bones or ashes and nothing else

[distant ocean]

ahh heh you can't reroll minor rooms into major rooms

but you can go into minor roosm with artificer and change the minor drop into a major drop

[charred flame]

No point I'm ever using the location card then

[distant ocean]

always a point!

[fickle glade]

hmmm so Persephone aspect is less worse than the terrorist aspect of the Skull

[distant ocean]

You don't want a run ruined by centaur hearts or some other undesirable major find

[fickle glade]

😂😂

[distant ocean]

also the location card is 3 more rerolls

[strange kite]

heat 32 is hard because kronos hard

centuar hearts is not undesirable yo it’s amazing

smh antler brains

[charred flame]

I've been using Charon aspect with Apollo cast and you'd think that would work out well but the 10 billion armored dudes that pop up say otherwise. I know I'm salty but this is ridiculous man

[strange kite]

undesirable is like money and selene

[distant ocean]

yeah or just a boon you didn't want

[strange kite]

or mana for a manaless build

[distant ocean]

you can also use location rerolls to roll into a hammer

[strange kite]

tru tru. random heph boons lul

[distant ocean]

or to roll out of a hammer, in case you're trying to set it up toget 3 hammer from echo

[strange kite]

wait hol up how does rolling out of a hammer get u 3 hammers from echo?

[distant ocean]

to prevent your fields hammer from showing up until the last room

[strange kite]

is this some secret sauce i dont know?

[distant ocean]

if you only get one path and there's a hammer on the way there you roll out of that and roll the lastroom before echo into hammer if not already there

and hope for hammer on the rerolls then enter echo with hammer as your last reward

and bada bing bada hammer time..

[bleak night]

also how I've been doing it, yeah

[white gale]

sorry to ask a noobish question. how can you switch between aspects?

[strange kite]

how does the field room structure work? i havent kept track. is echo always the 2nd last room or something?

[bleak night]

have you unlocked the ability to unlock them yet via incantation ?

[strange kite]

like echo shop/free reward. cerb?

[spare kite]

If you have them already, interact with where your weapon was once equipped

[strange kite]

this is some secret tech i need if it’s real

[distant ocean]

i think it's echo, one more field, then shop, then cerb

[bleak night]

room order doesn't seem preset, I find Echo at varying times

[topaz peak]

You have to unlock it then go up to the weapon and they’ll be a prompt

[distant ocean]

that's usually how it goes for me

[strange kite]

but then whats the point of rolling out of hammer? cuz u dont know when echo is showing up right?

[bleak night]

either way, it's always just safe to go Hammer last if it's in your Fields room

[white gale]

like I have aspect of persephone. I want to switch to aspect of melinoe

[spare kite]

Equip the skull and interact with the weapon pedestal

[distant ocean]

echo always appears after single reward rooms atleast as far as I can tell, so that would be the queue to go

[strange kite]

thats definitely not truw

ive seen echo after a multiple reward room

[formal wyvern]

does anyone else use +damage to first hit fear thing and then go for the hepaestus boon that gives armour each encounter? When you take damage with armour its limited to the value of the armour, but it still procs the increased damage effect, unlike other barriers

[spare kite]

You are just getting lucky I think lmao (for echo)

[distant ocean]

hm, alright, so there must be a more consistent way of getting it lol

i just intuit the mechanics of the echo ig idfk

I hardly ever use that strategy anyways, good weapons don't need 3 hammers

[spare kite]

I doubt she has spawn mechanics outside of "x chambers into the biome" to be available to appear, same as other npc rooms

[shut creek]

sometimes yea

[strange kite]

no weapon needs 3 hammers i think. but 3 hammers is always nice to have to help u find ur best hammer upgrade

plus hammers are just generally the most broken upgrades ever

[distant ocean]

true but in any heat or max heat runs erebus makes or breaks everything p much

[strange kite]

too bad i cant take icarus on fields anymore because i discovered hermes exists

[distant ocean]

rerolls don't tend to make it to fields lol so it's kinda just a for fun thing

[strange kite]

i need to level up hermes and heracles

[distant ocean]

there's more important things to get very early, especially if you're playing a weapon with bad hammers

[strange kite]

and all my arcanas

[distant ocean]

lol tru, gotta zoom

[white gale]

ok now I understand. you have to interact with the pedestal after you have it equipped. you can't change what's equipped under the upgrade menu. yanno. like the entire rest of the game. I'm a giant derp.

[distant ocean]

hermes keepsake in fields is probably mandatory, required by grecian law even.

[strange kite]

yeah im also lowkey thinking of leveling artificer for heat 32 cuz im onion pilled. but i need 30 grasp before i can use it. soooo much to grind

[white gale]

why?

[spare kite]

it was like this in the first game so I wish that you could upgrade aspects in that menu too tbh lmao

[strange kite]

this game has like 80 hours of meta progression i swear

[fickle glade]

Slowdown Hex and expired Cast by Apollo - chad Combo

[white gale]

attempt 46 to beat Chronos.

[strange kite]

hermes go fast

its for speedrunning cuz fields has the most movement

[spare kite]

big room slow, hermes go nyoom

[distant ocean]

it's the zone with the most walking, so anything to speed up the travel time is going to help for any heat, obviously for high heat experimental hammer's still pretty good, maybe even embyro

[novel maple]

experimental hammer might ruin your build unlike embryo

[distant ocean]

well that's why we don't play torches lol

[white gale]

ah. I haven't beaten him yet.

[novel maple]

there's many reasons to not play torches 🙂

[strange kite]

also forcing apollo on oceanus for sprint is something im thinking about but it has the obvious downside of lower damage compared to forcing demeter/zeus/something else

[distant ocean]

embryo has alot of rng tho and could also ruin your white antlers in tartarus

so, there's risks either way

[novel maple]

ah you wanna run antlers. fair

[strange kite]

we need that red vs blue meme of heracles vs antlers

[white gale]

Revaal+melinoe+demeter attack+hephestus=high damage.

[distant ocean]

yee, doesn't look necesary for anyheat, but for the sake of not dying at high heat melting bosses asap sure does help a ton

[wild cloak]

I just died at the end of a 10+ minute Chronos fight, feels bad man

[distant ocean]

you'll get em next time

[wild cloak]

World's worst run, btw

Mel Skull with no Apollo lege

[distant ocean]

there are people that can beat the game twice in 10 minutes kekw

[white gale]

how...

[distant ocean]

the build musta been pretty bad

[wild cloak]

my only source of damage was apollo attack.......

[distant ocean]

well the only published video is 7:20 but i've got some anyheat friends :B

i won't throw away their tactics tho that's them

[strange kite]

5 minute clears wtfffff

[spare kite]

Been a while since I've died to eris
Zeus-apollo duo is fun

[white gale]

you have to fight eris?

[spare kite]

Maaaaybe

[distant ocean]

just to say that the 7:20 anyheat is fairly unoptimized, but really impressive and cool lol

we'll probably learn more when the speedrun website opens the ranking

[strange kite]

bruuuuh how.

how do u even kill that fast and move that fast

[wild cloak]

that Chronos fight giga tilted me I literally can't play this game anymore lol

[strange kite]

and if u say artemis im gonna cry

[distant ocean]

it is in game time mind you

[spare kite]

A lot of it is avoiding combats I assume lmao

[distant ocean]

it's not artemis lol, although you could do artemis, there's no point in doing it, bosses don't have so much life

it turns out that just rerolling centaur hearts is more of a pain in the ass and you can way more easily get to low life and activate the strength arcana + lion fang which is the same rough damage increase

[forest veldt]

got a 7:39 wo/ chaos skip for fields so was thinking 7:00 possible, no clue how to get to 5

[distant ocean]

by the time you get to chronos~

[timber pawn]

Can you link the 7:20? Would love to see it

[forest veldt]

^

[strange kite]

the thing is im already at 7 minutes after oceanus

[distant ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNxMoirfVxE

[zenith bolt]

oh huh, im past 100 runs already https://i.imgur.com/ZRvoBHK.png

[bleak night]

jfc lol

[strange kite]

YO PAN hell yeah pan is da GOAT

[spare kite]

:croven:

[strange kite]

dood u have more runs than i have in hades 1

[distant ocean]

there's a few more, the 7:20 I can't find was momus

this one isn't even going hera strats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YoWFTVSnls here's another one showing off oneof the cooler starts imo

[forest veldt]

whats hera strat/ just the gain?

[distant ocean]

hera ring insta phasing hekate ad phase is nuttty lol

very rng tho lol

i don't think you can get away from poseidon.

[forest veldt]

he is best dps w/ aoe so dont think so, unless different weapon than momus or pan

[distant ocean]

as much as I love artemis there's just no way to make aphrodite competitive in any heat lol too much moving around

[forest veldt]

just get poseidon duo, ez

[distant ocean]

range is pretty good : )

true

but like a hint to the speed of things, and the how to would be just imagine if you could get that red bar to the little red arrow there, way earlier with style and ease

[forest veldt]

would be nice, only know about using thorns at fields to get for free

[distant ocean]

strength arcana is really good lol

[forest veldt]

noticed the 7:38 also not using antler so could be much faster

ya its nice

[distant ocean]

nah, antler's not so vital if you can reliably get to low life for strength

and the two kinda compete against each other

[novel maple]

is it just me or does aphro mana reg not really regen mana?

[forest veldt]

how so? its 40% crit vs 50% dmg

[distant ocean]

if anything we're closet to purely using hermes keepsake for the whole run

[strange kite]

what’s the boost from strength?

[spare kite]

50% additive at 30% hp right? and dmg reductiion I think

[forest veldt]

which is that

[strange kite]

also yes antler has a huuge issue of taking a whole keepsake slot

[forest veldt]

its 50% dmg and -50% taken

antler is like 2x dps

[distant ocean]

20% channel, strike, move speed

20% faster overall lol for the whole run but giveu p consistency

[winged bolt]

someone did 7:20?!?!?!?!?

[forest veldt]

whats the time it rankes up to

[winged bolt]

that's like one world for me ahhaha. ugh

[distant ocean]

antler's 80% dps, as it turns out 50% strength + lionfang +30% (by the time you get to chronos) is exactly the same dps increase

[strange kite]

i would be pretty happy just getting 14 minutes lul

[distant ocean]

I think if not more lol

[bleak night]

Lionfang is almost always 25% when I get to Chronos with no extended routes taken

Never had it be 30% for me before

[distant ocean]

yeah 25, so slightly lower

no you're right, 25% is correct I misremembered

still maybe slightly higher if they're multiplicative

[bleak night]

What are you all talking about?

[distant ocean]

i'm not sure if they are but either way

[strange kite]

speedrun

[distant ocean]

anyheat speedruns and how insane they already are!! : )

[bleak night]

Oh, speedrunning tech? They have a lot of info on the Speedrunning discord already

[forest veldt]

is there a hades one or just a general one

[bleak night]

Hades one

[forest veldt]

u have a link? nvm think got

[bleak night]

they even have save file in it with no The Centaur Arcana unlocked so you can White Antler with all the grasp you need lol

[strange kite]

im too much of a filthy casual to get super deep into speedrunning but i find speedrunning more relaxing than dying on heat 32

[bleak night]

dm'd

[forest veldt]

tyty

[distant ocean]

bro I was gonna do this myself lol

[bleak night]

just grab theirs then

[distant ocean]

that's so good lol

[bleak night]

yeah, it's neat to have. I have it on slot 4

[distant ocean]

I didn't knwo there was a disco for it i'd very much appreciate some linkages

[sudden belfry]

best boons for aspect of pan??

[distant ocean]

popo

[bleak night]

check dm

[distant ocean]

and maybe aphro

[sudden belfry]

i get the feeling hes just the best in general lol

[cunning dove]

@bleak night dm me too please 🙂

[spare kite]

Speedcord is pinned in #self-promotion btw

[bleak night]

ah, fair

[distant ocean]

best be subject to the goal, alotta times, not all the times

lul alot of ppl in that discord arleady are purely using hermes keepsake in their runs 🙂

seems logic to me, thing says speed must be gud

[tired fulcrum]

Its mostly antler strats tho if you mean speedcord

[distant ocean]

there's alot of anters too

hmm

[forest veldt]

so u doing pos into hermes and swap to lion for chronos?

[distant ocean]

i'm not an anyheat runner, more into high heat things i'm not even competetive at that, just know ppl that are, and I'm interested in them

I just use antlers all the time : )

[forest veldt]

ya sry, meant what the hermes start is

[fervent geyser]

what’s the best weapon for Hera boons?

[forest veldt]

besides antler for everything after pos

[distant ocean]

yeah idk beats me, the people that I thought were using hermes were using antlers when I looked back, I and J look the same with the UI covering the little tail.

[forest veldt]

ah kk, seemed good on paper so wanted to give it a shot

[bleak night]

Axe, Skull and Torches for the main weapon boons, all of them for her mana regen

Hera's mana regen is kinda just leagues above the rest

The priming just goes away once you leave that room

[distant ocean]

i take it on arti farti too

[bleak night]

I can see that being nerfed to like 20 or something in the future because it's just way better than everything else

[distant ocean]

I was skeptical of it potentially mana locking you lol

[bleak night]

I was as well, then I saw my mana go back to normal after an encounter

Then I realized, "Ah, it's broken. Nice."

[distant ocean]

i mean in the midst of chronos

where there is only the one go at not locking the magick lol

[bleak night]

atm it's only 10 at common level 1, right ?

[distant ocean]

yeah, I also wasn't very good at the game when I held this opinion 🙂

[bleak night]

Even with 10, it's still kinda disgusting lol

[distant ocean]

and I didn't have much unlocked so I was playing torches specials and kinda locked myself down to 0/0 mana* vs chronos lol

[bleak night]

ooh, yeah that's bad

Also, I kinda wish you could see the numbers of ranked-up boons in the boon list

[tired turret]

Yesterday I beat chronos at 8 fear. Now time to kick it up some more

[strange kite]

do u still use the hera mana regen with the prime 10 for each non common heat?

[bleak night]

[tired turret]

The 40% move speed bonus to enemies in this game hurts even more than the last one lol

[bleak night]

Yeah, I still run it. Somehow I still never get mana-locked at Chronos as long as I have 100 mana unprimed

[charred flame]

Does hera's prime boon interact with the "start each location with 0% magick" fear

[bleak night]

I can try that out later

[tired turret]

It would

[distant ocean]

born gain is kinda noots.

[tired turret]

If you use magick or need it but don't have it and have horn gain, it just takes from the next bar

[distant ocean]

horn maxed gain pillers.

[tired turret]

Born gain is massively op imho and I love it

Born gain is god tier with torches

[spare kite]

Born gain is op*

[long osprey]

Discovered it today. It is indeed crazy strong.

[zenith bolt]

born gain with decent upgrades and/or rarity basically just gives you infinite magick

[pastel bison]

Is it an unpopular opinion to think you should be able to reroll hammers

[bleak night]

I'd personaly love to be able to reroll them

[red perch]

which gods should i go for on melinoe torches special spam?

[cunning dove]

I think it objectively makes it a better game as well

[red perch]

poseidon? or Aphro maybe?

[zenith bolt]

aphro probably bc flutter flourish is big gains

i still dislike special spam torches bc you dont stagger anything

[vestal solstice]

I think so too, this or don’t make all 3 of them attack/special

[cunning dove]

yeh that would be fine too

[pastel bison]

Yes this is the main issue

[vestal solstice]

ye, I get that hammers are strong and the players shouldn’t be able to fish for something specific but making a hammer straightup useless because you focused on special and it gives 3 attack options is not a good feeling

[astral raft]

Tartarus is kicking my ASS 😭😭 what are y'all running to even survive that area w/ 1 death defiance intact

[tropic ferry]

what god should i go for on a dagger shotgun build

[knotty viper]

I'm not a fan of it atm, it's so op it basically deletes mana as a concept if you get it

[strange kite]

nooooo! i got the suuuc bug from kronos

[abstract glade]

I mean it's a rogue like, you get 2 hammers a run, chances are you will get something that works and if you don't, either you manage somehow or the run dies and that's fine? Not every run has to be successful

[glossy rivet]

what do u guys use for 32 heat? whats ur fear setup?

[zenith bolt]

for pan, poseidon

[pastel bison]

I guess I feel when you have maxed meta progression a run shouldn't die because you get 3 special hammers for an attack build or something. They are such an important part of your build, but it's the only thing you don't have any ability to control

[cunning dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028569491094908951/1240187576032301097/Ship_Screenshot_2024.05.14_-_20.35.24.41.png?ex=6645a62f&is=664454af&hm=a8d8ef718eeffc05830333e262eeb2ad957fd4ef9b6a1b34b7921cce9e022ff7& This is what I ran with momus poseidon abuse

[zenith bolt]

i mean 0 fear maxed progression you shouldnt be losing runs period

[abstract glade]

Meta progression and keepsakes are already insanely strong, why would you need a guaranteed good hammer? And again, you get 2 hammer so 6 rolls, you'll likely get something useful

[glossy rivet]

reroll arcana setup?

[vestal solstice]

yes, but you abandoned an upgrade or atleast I do most of the time if I have the choice between a hammer and boon, hammer always wins

the runs don’t die because of it, it’s not about winning, it’s just a bad feeling to get nothing when you couldve gone the other path for guaranteed boon

[zenith bolt]

for momus i used these fears https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1239800596618281040/20240513233429_1.jpg?ex=66458f48&is=66443dc8&hm=52cba341fa1f26f2375474a90eb9f11089368e6e4108637da3be28d14b60d9db&

[abstract glade]

Yeah you took a risk, the boon could also have been useless for your build?

[pastel bison]

but you can reroll boons

[vestal solstice]

not really because you have more control over it, that’s the point

[cunning dove]

I change arcana setup a lot but I think I only ran 3 reroll dices

[abstract glade]

It's part of the genre, sometimes you get unlucky and get something useless

[strange kite]

okay kronos perfect lock on suuc almost killed me but i survive and didnt even need any of my DD or tooth

i just wanna say demeter poseidon combo is insane. you have guaranteed +100 health infusion from poseidon with the boon deleter heat

demeter gives u at least 1 curse (usually 2) + slip = 2 curse for damage

[cunning dove]

thats fair but the game gives you keepsakes AND dices to reroll things with so they want you to somewhat have control of your build, to then just not have it on hammers feels weird

[shell swan]

In general, nemies without armor can be easily stunlocked by repeated attcks, however its easy to get overhwelmed and you can't stagger enemes with armor.
Casts are very useful for the shield and spear? enemies and the big tanky club enemies(though the shield and spear enemies do fire a slow moving spear thingy at long rages), helping keep them out of range to either deal with from a distance or to stop them while you deal with other threats fist. You can also dash behid them while they are in their attack animation instead of dashing away, which is generally more consistent if you are close to either enemy type.
For the coin bags, the attacks are pretty easy to avoid as they have very long telegraphs, just remember that if you need to, you can always dash through the lasers while they are firing.
For the floating hourglasses, they are honestly really annoying and I get caught off guard by their attacks quite often, but luckily they have very little hp and don't deal that much damage.
For the towers that have rotating lasers, you can pretty easily dash through the lasers to get around them, and while killing the towers can make clearign rooms easier, they aren't necessary to complete rooms and aren't treated as enemies.
What honestly hits me the most in tartarus are the floor traps, as they aren't obviously noticable and its easy to forget about them when focusing on enemies. These are best avoided by having a better room sense than me and paying more attention to current position as well as analyzing where floor traps are located around you.

[vestal solstice]

that’s not always part of the genre snd it’s a very specific design choice when we ARE able to reroll stuff and there ARE keepsakes to guarantee a god

[cunning dove]

just let us use 2 dices for hammers f it

what are the dices even called officially?

[zenith bolt]

i play isaac, im unfazed by garbage boons

[glossy rivet]

oh ye also what is the highest bounty for nmare drops from fear? 20?

[zenith bolt]

changes of fate

you can see if you hover anything that gives you them

[strange kite]

first: pray you dont get infinite spawns of the hourglass. second: demeter freeze cast will make everything super trivial if you're struggling with rooms.

[zenith bolt]

20 on everything except torches, which are 24 for some reason

[strange kite]

remember to spam the hell out of your cast and keep moving to dodge the skulls. the wind up for attacks are super fast with +40% speed so dont just channel ur omega if ur about to get hit

[astral raft]

oh my god thank you for this, and same the hourglasses are such a pain in the ass to fight 😭 i think we've got the same ideas in mind so i think it just boils down to a skill issue on my end for now

[cunning dove]

demeter cast is insane for tartarus

[tired fulcrum]

They knew torches are the best weapon

[tired fulcrum]

Everything*

[jolly bramble]

more than 50 runs and apparently i only paused against chronos just on my last run
https://imgur.com/a/9VfbHy2

[astral raft]

those damn hourglasses and their spinny orb attack catch me off guard so bad LMAO that + the big rat dudes that spawn tinier rats are so annoying to fight

[cunning dove]

fair enough ye

[zenith bolt]

true. #h2-discussion is too full of people who tried torch once and hate it

[strange kite]

u can omega cast to catch the small rats. also dont worr yabout the small rats too muc htheyre literally 1 damage. theyre actually good to get hit by if ur on the double damage on first hit heat cuz they eat up the double and just deal 2 damage

[cunning dove]

ive been trying the mel aspect torches work but the no stagger makes high fears hard

[strange kite]

the big rat is much scarier when they cover the room with fire

[jolly bramble]

🤝

ayyyy https://imgur.com/a/daR4tam

[bleak night]

everyone seems to really like 300 gold + full reroll builds

[zenith bolt]

now max all your arcana

[cursive knot]

what are people using for thanatos axe fear runs? (20-32 fear).

[jolly bramble]

reroll is pretty important when boon hunting, so yeah

[cursive knot]

actually did this today feels good

[bleak night]

I use Hera-Demeter with Apollo or Hestia on Sprint

[shell swan]

I did both 32 heat surface(3 tries) and underground(1 try) with momus + poseidon, didn't get the hammer that doubles special projectiles(and dps) in either run.

Basic strategy is you take momus staff + poseidon keepsake + reroll arcanas, early on you go for poseidon special boon, then force slip boon + knockback damage boon, and then you probably will have most of the poseidon boons banished by the fear thing, leading to legendary poseidon boon which massively improves dps.

The fear that limits boons can actually help make this build more consistent, as it makes getting the legendary very consistent, just make sure to reroll if you get offered both the slip boon and the knockback damage boon. Furthermore, if you only get offered a common poseidon special boon, if you don't take any other common boons until area 2, you can upgrade the common poseidon special boon to heroic with Narcissus' keepsake entering area 2.

Don't remember exact fears but the magick ones are free w/ momus, the time fear 1 is free and 2nd is rarely a problem, the one that limits boons is beneficial, the +30% hp one, the enemies have a shield thing is fine with momus, and the one that has enemies from the next zone is easy).

[strange kite]

for low heat? 300 gold is basically 2 boons or multiple major non boon rewards. and 10 rerolls is insanely good for consistency

[bleak night]

been managing without it in high Fears because those passive bonuses have been stacking up for me

[strange kite]

it's like artificer but only costs 5 and gives u 4 rerolls and u get to skip encounters

[cursive knot]

yeah love the hera on axe and apollo sprint. what about the fear/arcana?

[zenith bolt]

i usually always take vow of making things expensive early on

[bleak night]

I go full enemy encounter and full enemy HP and remove the blue hearts because they're soul crushing for Axe early game

[zenith bolt]

expensive shops are like, pretty fine usually

it just means you skip mid shops

[bleak night]

I just use the same Arcana throughout my runs, I'm too lazy to just swap them out now

[shell swan]

I do 10 rerolls + top row + death defy + either cast damage or sprint speed(which does leave me with 1 extrra grasp) depending on the build

[cursive knot]

bet.

[bleak night]

Hoping they add a bit more grasp down the line

[zenith bolt]

judgment with like titan unseen champions is the way for judgment i think

[cunning dove]

arcana setup presets would be pretty nice

same with fear setup presets tbh

[bleak night]

loadouts would be very helpful, yeah