h2-builds-and-combat

[tulip heath]

yeah but she gave the nectar back then threw trash on the ground

[lone sequoia]

i just gave her the nectar and she took it first time hm

[strange kite]

on artemis or mel aspect i expect aphro to be potentially better

[lone sequoia]

did you beat her once yet?

[strange kite]

cuz crit knife shotgun seems good

[tulip heath]

mutiple times

according to reddit it might be a bug with my save?

[carmine palm]

Speak to her at the house several times, give her nectar I think twice? Then bathe with her

[tough vapor]

ive got a good aphro attack, hell splitter and executioner chop (axe, and fully upgraded melinoe aspect), lifes good. Ima rip and tear

[spare kite]

Everytime I go aphro knives I get the pos duo and forget to use it anyways

[tulip heath]

last time she was there it didn't have the option to gift her

[plush storm]

you get the keepsake on first gift, though, don't you?

[carmine palm]

I didn't have it for awhile as well

[lone sequoia]

did you pick up eris's trash?

[carmine palm]

Could be bug, not sure

[tulip heath]

i guess i'll have to keep trying

[tulip heath]

all the time theres so much I wish I could sell it

[topaz peak]

still in erebus already using pan and just got heroic aphro special and damage for consevective hits special hammer

run is pretty much gold if i don't mess up

[compact arrow]

Do you still ideally go Aphrodite Attacks with the Axe?

[tough vapor]

Ive also got mint condition and hydralic might, so for the first 10 seconds of an encounter I shread so hard I just 2 shot a field mini boss

[tough vapor]

I do atleast

[hollow knoll]

are we sure finesse and prowess are actually in game right now? (mentioned in the fated list prophecy) They aren't in the chaos codex boon tab like the others

[tulip heath]

what is the definition of "strikes"?

[tribal badger]

start with 0 mana fear + zeus boon that casts lightning on everyone if you have less than 10 mana is really fun

[gilded flare]

If somebody's really knowledgeable about easy build combos, making a quick pin would be really helpful, rather than scrolling through chat. I would give you 10 internet cookies 🍪

[tulip heath]

also does priming mana count as having less than 100% mana?

[gloomy locust]

Used the aspect of Charon and that was a really fun run with some daedalus upgrades that increase the amount of special daggers I have

[faint oyster]

At the very least, I think it covers both attacks and specials.

[spare kite]

No

[faint oyster]

Dunno if it includes cast. Don't think so at least.

But it is weird because some boons use Strikes, but then one of Heph's boons, Tough Trade, uses "Attacks and Specials" in its description

[hallow aspen]

thoughts on mel's flames focusing on specials?
i've been trying it and it's pretty goofy and fun

[faint oyster]

Feels like Specials is the only way to use flames properly tbh.

[hallow aspen]

yeahh i felt that too

[faint oyster]

The attack feels too slow and too small a range especially with a bunch of foes charging at you.

[gloomy locust]

I’ve had builds where I have Zeus’s attack along with some priming boons that give me chain lightning

That made the main attack for the flames better imo

[faint oyster]

Still, kinda feels bad when you need a secondary boon to make the attack even feel useable.

[hallow aspen]

the best result I had with the flames attack was using poseidon's boons, but I think that's just because poseidon is broken tbh

[ancient bloom]

does primed mana count towards The Huntress Arcana?

[spare kite]

No

[gloomy locust]

DUDDEEE Poseidon is sooo broken. I barely used him in the first game and now he’s like a go to for staff playthroughs

[hallow aspen]

yeah it's ridiculous with anything that hits fast enough

[limber hornet]

am i correct in building around infusions early or are they too weird and janky to be useful

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[tulip heath]

everytime I've used one it's been a "oh hey it works"

[hallow aspen]

heracles

[faint oyster]

They can be useful when you get the right circumstances, but you shouldn't try to build around them, I think.

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[limber hornet]

hmmmm i see. i'll keep that in mind

[hallow aspen]

they aren't reliable enough to build around imo

[limber hornet]

my gambling brain in the past few runs made me reroll the boons to get the correct infusions lmao

i still won, but it was very inefficient

[hallow aspen]

lmao keep gambling king

[faint oyster]

Tbf, like Demeter's earth infusion makes dealing with Chronos a ton easier. But needs a meaty 6 earth essences to work.

[limber hornet]

i am that 1% of gamblers that don't quit

[spare kite]

Just run the vow that removes boons to get quick infusions

[faint oyster]

While others like Hephaestus' earth infusion or Hestia's fire infusion are much easier to work with since they just count the number of essences you have.

[spare kite]

Get your elements from chaos 🧠

[faint oyster]

Hermes' infusion is also a little crazy, requiring a Chaos boon or two at least.

[limber hornet]

actually kinda smart holyy

i'll try this and i'll let you know how it goes

[spare kite]

That vow is so funny, it helps more often than not

[jovial terrace]

go only demeter/hera/heph 🗣️

[wet nova]

Poseidon was also really good in first game tbf

[brave fern]

poseidon in the first game really only had the dash tbh

[faint oyster]

I also have no idea what the purple element is for.

[wet nova]

Like his dash was one of the main dash builds you’d go for

[wet nova]

Super soaker was hella fun althougbniche

[brave fern]

that and beowulf speedrunning with the cast

[wet nova]

Oh yh cast was busted too then

[spare kite]

Poseidon traded his goated dash and bad attack/special for goated attack/special and ??? Sprint

[wet nova]

Man I gotta play hades 1 again fr until new content comes

[spare kite]

Also his legendary is a lot better now

[wet nova]

Fishing legendary gone💀

[faint oyster]

His sprint is useful for pushing most enemies away at least

Also, anyone know what the purple elemental essence is for?

The one you get from Duo boons

[spare kite]

Chaos infusion

[brave fern]

i've never run into that before, what does it do?

[hallow aspen]

i don't remember when or how but once i got a boon that gave me +25% damage per purple element

[faint oyster]

Weird. Could you check your run logs?

[sturdy trail]

Dude, running Judgement is rough on surface, literally everything I pull is common 😭

[jovial terrace]

this goes great with that one vow

[hallow aspen]

yeah just a moment

[wet nova]

Should be in codex I think

[faint oyster]

Judgment feels like for an underworld run right now tbh.

[wet nova]

Running judgement on surface is grief💀

[oak lance]

i can't seem to do the omega special powershot on staff. i got it thru the anvil. can someone explain it to me 😬

[wet nova]

Get max 11 arcana’s 10 with keepsake and 11 wth circe

[limpid girder]

wait i shouldn't be sleeping on poseidon anymore?

[faint oyster]

Does a fully upgraded judgment give 5 arcanas per guardian?

[gilded terrace]

Poseidon is always worth

[spare kite]

Yeah

[late lantern]

Poseidon is still pretty good for weapons with multi attacks, and the double reward boon is bonker

[hallow aspen]

it's a chaos infusion and it only buffs omega moves damage

[faint oyster]

So that's 15 useable arcanas in total, +4 from the start (including judgment) +1 or 3 with Circe's Keepsake.

[hallow aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189390884479979570/1239737009560617111/image.png?ex=66440290&is=6642b110&hm=77670fa138bc030f70d4674329f3d3df3b4ce28632c61a6ce904a155af5beba3&

[limpid girder]

i usually have been taking poseidon on my high mana builds because spirit bubble has seemed good

[spare kite]

Yeah double up is hilarious

[faint oyster]

I see!

[tough vapor]

this build was so cracked I went from no wins against chronos, to killing him taking not even that much dmg, and having made it all the way through having taken 0 death defys, absolutely recomend axe hellsplitter shenanigans to all

[hallow aspen]

i'm pretty sure i got it while using the embryo lol

[faint oyster]

Niiice, Chaos smiled on you XD

Wait, I think I got that one too on a previous run. Must've missed it being an infusion.

[limpid girder]

is hellsplitter the spin to win?

until thats nerfed thats to reliable

[tough vapor]

nah, it replaces your combo attacks with just big chop

[limpid girder]

i found it to slow, did you have the aspect at V or any attack speed boost?

[tough vapor]

Both, which was likely a big help

wait, no attack speed bonusses, just aspect at V

[faint oyster]

Honestly, I nearly won with Hellsplitter+Aphro once, but you do need to build around being tanky as heck.

[tough vapor]

you8 can see the finish screen over invictory boasting

[tough vapor]

oh yeah, you need to be chunky, I got away with it using hit and run and spamming at start of trhe fight getting an easy head start, but yeah, being chunkier makes it much easier to use the build

[distant ocean]

hail piggies

[oak lance]

anyone got any tips on aetheric moonburst 😦

[jovial socket]

The poseidon boon which reduces dmg by 2, does it make you immune to 1dmg things?

[jovial terrace]

probably

[pale kindle]

oh come on I can't even say that? That's like a D tier curse word

imagine if bosses could trigger revenant: "oops, you didn't pick up cerberus's little shade ball? time to fight him again, sweetheart!"

[tropic ferry]

whats some fun builds for knives? they're my favorite build so far?
no aspects yet

[hallow aspen]

poseidon attack spam with on hit damage sources or aphro backstabs
you can also run a shotgun special build but that's just goofy lol

[tropic ferry]

how do i get backstab

[hallow aspen]

hammer or apollo's boon

[tropic ferry]

also poseidon attack?

[hallow aspen]

nah for the backstab one you want aphrodite boon

[tropic ferry]

i mean

the poseidon one sounds fun- how do i do that?

[hallow aspen]

oh just grab poseidon's attack boon and turn off your monitor

that should be enough

[tropic ferry]

what makes it good?

[jovial socket]

The splash on poseidon attack makes your dagger’s attack area like 4x as large, and since you attack so fast, the flat damage from poseidon is basically a double damage for free

[hallow aspen]

poseidon's boon are extremely broken rn when you use it with a fast weapon

[mighty heart]

Is Enfeeblment of Cowards the same as Herme's boon?

[south elm]

should I be holding onto fish or just dumping them for money?

[tropic ferry]

ah fun

[willow lily]

Does anyone have list/chart of duo boons found yet?

[kind rover]

Wait a minute, how do I post images in here?

[livid bone]

Is it possible to get spiral knives and sureshot knives at once?

[west galleon]

in the steam community theres a list of the duo boons

[willow lily]

thank ye

[west galleon]

but in my cases theyre very rare as even if you meet some of the conditions theyre not going to appear as often as some

[willow lily]

i imagine the arcana helps, im not using it yet tho

[tropic ferry]

Spiral Knives, Marauder Slice, or Final Slice? this is with aprho attack

[jovial terrace]

if ur lucky yeah

[tropic ferry]

eh final slice

[west galleon]

it does but not that much considering the upgrades are first at 8% then 10%

[livid bone]

Ok, thanks, I'll go for the hammer then (would probably be 3 attack boons, but let's see)

I've had hook knives with sureshot before, and hook + spiral. But never sureshot + spiral

[distant ocean]

vow of forsaking is a buff btw.

most of the time : )

[strange kite]

is that what the boon delete heat is called?

[distant ocean]

Yep

[oak ginkgo]

So… engagement ring +supernova for pan blades is crazy

[strange kite]

yeah i love it

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message I think Air Quality and Scorch has potential

[strange kite]

except when i get offered mana bubbles at the same time as my poseidon special

which is annoying but honestly it’s still so free

[distant ocean]

how's that interaction work?

most scorches start at base 30 dont they?

[civic ocean]

I don't have the numbers in front of me but it appears to work ideally

like, 30 damage per tick of scorch

[distant ocean]

so every tick of scorch does... Neat Lol

[civic ocean]

so eris was effectively doing something like 240 damage to herself per bullet

[jolly bramble]

scorch tick still takes to long to trigger

[distant ocean]

Maybe hestia escapes soot sprint for eris who isn't even the final boss for the surface tier

[south elm]

Should I Sell fish or keep them?

[civic ocean]

It's not as slow as you would think

for no investment the persephone omega special still takes out an entire boss phase in about 4 seconds

[jovial terrace]

pan with aphro cast is nice too

[oak ginkgo]

True true

[jovial terrace]

round them up and go brrr

[spare kite]

Chaos healing boons are hilarious to enter more chaos gates

[distant ocean]

give em the ole aphrodite suck

https://tenor.com/view/milhouse-van-houten-the-simpsons-eyebrows-gif-4880957

her cast sucks them towards the center of it

[slate yarrow]

is there any way to unlock two dashes? the sprint is fun but only having one dash is not cutting it for me lol

[brave fern]

nope

[jolly bramble]

nope

get used to the sprint

[faint oyster]

The whole game revolves around tap and hold this time.

[jovial terrace]

skull

[fallen granite]

lol

[jolly bramble]

well if you count the special as a dash, sure. you get no iframes tho

[tulip heath]

you do with the omega

[chilly dagger]

what is best weagon

[jolly bramble]

if you want more dashes for mobility, i wouldnt count the omega since it still takes a bit of charge time

[charred flame]

If they add ares, I could see one of hos boons giving you a second dash

[void wind]

whats hepth spirit

[jolly bramble]

i dont see a point of a 2nd dash considering the combat flow is already different than the first game

[charred flame]

Aoe giga damage whenever you sprint

[violet parrot]

Playing this right after Hades I was rough, took me like 10 runs before I realized how crucial using cast ensnare is

[distant ocean]

bruh everytime I go back to it, I just can't help but think that artemis is gonna be the aspect that does max fear.

maybe, magick is important

common boon andy mode

it still does enough damage to hack it, esp with riposte procced and antler'd up you're just crit capped

who needs a boon

or cards lol

[violet parrot]

I realize now it's so much more important to control the flow of your enemies instead of dashing around like a hyped up manic ala Hades I

And then drop the moon hex on them ofc

[distant ocean]

i do like that a lot, though there was an art to it in hades 1 aswell

[violet parrot]

I'm actually enjoying this more now, I always felt really overwhelmed in Hades I and with both games the artstyle makes it sort of hard to tell what will hit you (if you can even see it through all the effects)

Now it's more important to take your time

[distant ocean]

one of these days I'm gonna level up my Night Card and try to make Hexes something that could be built around

[violet parrot]

Ah, time

[jolly bramble]

time cannot be stopped

[distant ocean]

Ahaaa, cuz chronos is tiiiime

I gyet it

[dire umbra]

I'm missing tokens B, G, and X. Anyone know where those come from?

[distant ocean]

lol. without a legend we don't really know what those letters correlate to unfortunately but I'll have al ook

Knuckle Bones is B I know that off the top of my head, cuz it's a really good keepsake prior to becoming a jedi master at the game, that one's from gifting Odysseus.

[jolly bramble]

B knuckle bone from odysseus
G discordant bell from eris
X i also dont have but the only one i havent gotten a keepsake is echo

[distant ocean]

X is Concave stone from Echo, you can gift her after you recieve her boon.

[jolly bramble]

after she gives her reward?

[violet parrot]

What keepsake do you guys use anyhow
I use the one from Doom that lets me tank for 10 seconds after I die but open to suggestions

[distant ocean]

Yes, after taking her rewards the gift dialogue appears

it really is that shrimple, I thought I had to do some off the walls tuff for it too hehe

[wary flicker]

I start with whatever god's boon I want for my build, then moon beam, then (insert boon depending on the situation here), then I ALWAYS end with Nemesis's boon

Extra 30% damage against the final boss every single run is too good to pass up

[jolly bramble]

erebus - any god im targeting
oceanus - 2nd god or maybe aromatic phial just to boost a boon
mourning - moon beam if i the heal hex, knuckle bones if i think im underpowered for cerb
tartarus - depends if i value a 4th defiance or i know i can do a lot of damage in 10 seconds

[sacred flower]

what's the god % damage order? i know aphro is the highest, but not being able to compare is extremely annoying

[distant ocean]

it's a demeter kinda night I guess

[violet parrot]

Oh man if I had that I would've won against him first try :v I got rekt with under half his second phase healthbar left

[wary flicker]

Personally......I'd go with Hephaestus being the highest

[distant ocean]

not that i'm complaining demeter is just solid all the way around.

[sacred flower]

is it hera -> apollo -> demeter or what

[sacred flower]

i'm asking specifically about % damage bonuses, no

[charred flame]

You gotta commit hephqestus so hard though

[violet parrot]

Hephaestus is my go-to, last run I had his explosions on my attack and special and I'd end the first phase of most encounters 2 seconds after they began

[distant ocean]

I think it's aphro, poseidon, then everyone else kinda fighting for third

[wary flicker]

I do love how every god's boon types are powerful, and all of them are viable game winners

[distant ocean]

zeus isn't so great on your main damage source, it's kinda for your offhand to proc

[sacred flower]

poseidon also isn't +% damage

[violet parrot]

Zeus lightning is pretty nice on omega cast

[wary flicker]

My axe would like to disagree

[distant ocean]

it's a damage source

[sacred flower]

i know, and it's not the damn question i'm asking

[distant ocean]

well the damn question you're asking is

[wary flicker]

In terms of %'s

[distant ocean]

answered by you in your question lol

[sacred flower]

no it wasn't, i was asking if that was the order

[wary flicker]

ahhh. Then yes

[sacred flower]

because i don't know

[violet parrot]

dunno either, I'm just talking about the boons in general ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Had a really nice Posiedon one on special that did splash damage behind the impact point

On the two swords weapon. Was weird having my main damage dealer be special but it worked

[distant ocean]

I think of flat damage sources in terms of their relativety to the average base damage of weapons vs percentage damage sources :T

[charred flame]

He's absolutely nuts on Pan aspect. The blitz triggers get insane

I wish we had more effects like his chain lightning

[distant ocean]

can you post video of it poppin off, cuz after seeing the icd on it I don't think it's very good on either pan or momus as a main thing

[jolly bramble]

aphro > hera > apollo > dem. the rest are flat damage or an effect

[sacred flower]

thank you

[jolly bramble]

its 80 50 40 30

[topaz peak]

better than aphro or pos?

specifically aphro and pos duo with aphro on special

[violet parrot]

I killed a run of mine by using Zeus's magic charge boon at the same time as a boon that primed your magic to create lightning
Basically meant I had 10 whole magick, which ofc I couldn't do a thing with

[charred flame]

I haven't tried poseidon or aphro. But I can trigger blitz multiple times on everything with each use

[topaz peak]

i do know if you set up aphro right you can take down cerebrus from the half way point in one shot

[distant ocean]

blitz has an icd in it which makes it considerably worse than poseidon, best to just trigger it using your alternative mouse button

[jolly bramble]

a what

[distant ocean]

an internal cooldown

it won't proc every time you do 120damage, only when you do 120 damage and the icd is done, making very rapidly hitting things not do as much as you otherwise think it would

not very blitz-like in nature really but I can see the reasoning.

[charred flame]

I always take pos for attack with the blades tho

I typically use demeter cast when I use Zeus too. Cuz then I can just kill everything from across the room

[topaz peak]

https://youtu.be/N1nF38mpB68

i do pos attack aphro special

and then aim for the duo

[distant ocean]

I like most of the main flourish options excect zeus hestia and hera, hitch doesn't seem too impactful in most situations, I'm kinda favoring demeter at the moment just cuz it's extra safe attacking and controlling at the same time regardless of armor

[wary flicker]

What are yall's favorite mana boon?

[jolly bramble]

born gain

[distant ocean]

demeter also takes care of ygniums downside making it a fairly competitive option for runs

[wary flicker]

I can not live without glamor gain. Giving bosses perma weak with my melee spam nature is just perfect

[distant ocean]

it probably is the best gain lol is there another gain that provides a curse?

[jolly bramble]

born gain gives you no down time. perfect for torches

[spare kite]

Finally saw spare wealth lmao

[jolly bramble]

and its not like youre gonna kill youe entire magic bar with it. at most youd be triggering it twice in mob rooms

[topaz peak]

i like aphro

if going mostly aphro it works really well

[distant ocean]

mmh, good point, I guess I should get over my fear of overpriming on bosses

my favorite gain is still poseidon though.

[topaz peak]

true but at the same time i've never run out running aphro.

[jolly bramble]

me getting zeus chain lightning on axes leaving me with 9 magic so much for my hammer upgrade

[topaz peak]

mostly cause you get in close with aphro anyway

and it triggers on all weak enemies

[distant ocean]

having the option to restore my magick or not is important to me

[topaz peak]

and dash or cast makes that easy

[distant ocean]

cuz sometimes I just want more hunter card time

[charred flame]

I think hera is okay for the axe attack since it hits so many enemies, but I agree. I love hitch sprint and hestia sprint the most

[jolly bramble]

when youre channeling, you dont regen magic. so i cant use any other magic restoral except hera

[topaz peak]

hestia sprint makes eris easy

[distant ocean]

you can eat poseidon orbs while channeling too

[charred flame]

Hestia sprint makes a lot of bosses easier

[topaz peak]

true

[wary flicker]

🙂

[jolly bramble]

hes my 2nd choice

[topaz peak]

but aphro dash works really well it's regen

[distant ocean]

nice, hestia sprint has some definite potential

[topaz peak]

but the cast works better so not a huge deal.

[topaz peak]

i feel like they're going to balance it at somepoint

[jolly bramble]

is it just me or does apollo sprint give bonus speed?

[topaz peak]

it does literally say it i think

but i could be thinking of hermes

[distant ocean]

If they do take away some of the projectile eating It would be nice if they added some damage to it, I wanna blaze trails with my sprint and burn foo's alive lol

[atomic ibex]

Hades players really not beating the illiterate allegations (me included)

[jolly bramble]

time to read boons again ig

[topaz peak]

i read 24/7 so i should be fine but i've barely run apollo

i use aphro, pos pretty much exclusively

with zeus range cast

or hestia range cast either works

[dusty ember]

It does and it is alot

[jolly bramble]

yeah, i got lazy reading it ig. brain went inflict status and stopped there
https://imgur.com/a/fj2iFfA

[dusty ember]

Do not upgrade it

[sudden belfry]

starting to think i can only beat chronos with pos moros staff -_-

[atomic ibex]

But my sprint speed meme runs!

[frosty ruin]

You mean Momus staff?

[sudden belfry]

ya oops

[dusty ember]

Good luck controling milenoe lmao

[jolly bramble]

this is just nuts
https://imgur.com/a/AOAJIqX

[distant ocean]

for sure

[topaz peak]

who's is that?

[zenith bolt]

this run is truly awful, but at least i managed to finish this part of my fated list https://i.imgur.com/ce5FhXm.png

[distant ocean]

apollo

[jolly bramble]

apollo

[distant ocean]

silver linings

[zenith bolt]

the situation. https://i.imgur.com/J2Hke5C.png https://i.imgur.com/Xc2q2LB.png

[atomic ibex]

I find the legendary boon balance to be very funny

[shy summit]

oh my... i should try this with staff special and double shot

[zenith bolt]

(in tartarus, btw)

[distant ocean]

it's only for Ω, regular attacks and specials won't be affected

[shy summit]

oops didnt read

[topaz peak]

aren't you like spamming omega attack with staff?

[shy summit]

would be good with torch omega special then

[distant ocean]

it's really good on artemis tho, esp if you get bipolar hammers

[jolly bramble]

this one is either useless or busted depending if it raises the levels past 5
https://imgur.com/a/5ceMqxO

[dusty ember]

Is there any special chronos dialogue for getting to his fight with no boons like we had in the first game?

[frosty ruin]

Not for Momus

[shy summit]

oh dang this one stinks

[distant ocean]

no, that's why momus rules, because magick is kind of a pain in the butt with a ton of vows

[shy summit]

momus spam is fun

[jolly bramble]

momus with poseidong on special go brrrrr

[distant ocean]

poseidong

[dusty ember]

Poseibong

[distant ocean]

gives new meaning to the phrase pool noodle dunnit

[shy summit]

poseidon on anything that hits somewhat frequently is really good
basically the zeus of this game

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239758515623432322/image.png?ex=66441697&is=6642c517&hm=7c00f9005dbeae87e3c070c4bd30dfbafaf29f3e35ea6f553075636e7dcd624d& yippeeee

[distant ocean]

grats!

[spare kite]

it does, same for the duo that ranks up keepsakes

[distant ocean]

I still need 2 darks.

[atomic ibex]

Legendary ranking:
Poseidon, Apollo

Hephaestus, Hestia, Aphrodite

Hera, Hermes

Zeus

[dusty ember]

What's the max amount of arcana slots?

[atomic ibex]

30

[shy summit]

poseidon legendary my beloved

[jolly bramble]

huh. interesting

[distant ocean]

a judgement user spotted 👀

[dusty ember]

What does it do

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239599358903713884/image.png?ex=6643825d&is=664230dd&hm=721cfd7575272486d612424eac9cc1972c9f1924cad9c591e03cf3e7429f0cf7

[jolly bramble]

wave damage is increased by 150% against guardians

[atomic ibex]

Increase splash damage against bosses by 150%

[shy summit]

yes that one

[dusty ember]

Is it guardians or bosses

[jolly bramble]

guardians are bosses

[shy summit]

guardians = bosses between zones I think

[dusty ember]

Arent guardians mini bosses only

[shy summit]

im not sure when minibosses count

[topaz peak]

if i can get this along with aphro and pos duo boon + return knives and increase damage for consecutive hits on special hammer on pan the build would be so damn good. need good regen but that's not too big of a deal.

[vale shard]

Which is funny because according to its description it should count mini bosses

[shy summit]

yeah i suspect the description is off

[atomic ibex]

I think any boss with a health bar at the top is a guardian

[jolly bramble]

might be hard considering the amount of boons needed to sink into apollo, but yeah if you can get it with that specific duo

[vale shard]

It says enemies with a large health bar on the screen with their name
Uh-oh and charybdis fit that description

But they don't count

[topaz peak]

it's possible

[empty trellis]

how close do u have to be to proc the aphrodite boost

[vale shard]

Yes

[topaz peak]

just requires good rng

[topaz peak]

not too close i think it's pretty easy to regen if you're playing close quater weapons

[shy summit]

i feel like the aphrodite radius is around the axe melee range

[jolly bramble]

axe swing is close enough\

[topaz peak]

it's a good regen

[shy summit]

good rule of thumb

[topaz peak]

if you're running other aphro boons

[shy summit]

aphro regen is probably the second best next to hera

but it's playstyle dependent like all the others

[topaz peak]

mostly because it requires either the dash or cast to actually work fully

[topaz peak]

not possible unless you get pos on the attack and aphro on the special or vice versa, get the duo boon then get the apollo boon for attack or special

basically the rng would have to be perfect

also does the fear thing that removes all your arcana effects count for beating hecate with out the arcana

[rain hazel]

Man I feel like the only weapon im getting is the staff. 😅
Sure I can figure the daggers out, read the torch is meh in general, and the axe seems too slow.

[jolly bramble]

gotta save all that rerolls for it https://imgur.com/a/XCi30iS

[frosty ruin]

Pretty sure people were saying that’s how they did it

[jolly bramble]

TORCH TORCH TORCH TORCH

[topaz peak]

the torch from what i've heard is good with the right aspects and build

basic torch is bad tho

i've been playing pan

[atomic ibex]

I find Mel torch to be strong once upgraded

But yeah, unaspected torch isn’t great

[topaz peak]

yeah saw that. it's possible but you have to have the perfect order for the boons

[jolly bramble]

i still havent gotten eos aspect because eris is a b-

[topaz peak]

do you need an apple or something?

[jolly bramble]

2 gold apples

[topaz peak]

just use hestia dash

[atomic ibex]

Try to stay behind her. During her 4th phase, bait out her attacks, then attack when she’s reloading

[shy summit]

sprint speed is the key to eris!

[topaz peak]

HESTIA DASH

[shy summit]

either that or stack up dodge chance

[atomic ibex]

Or try to reroll a lot for coarse grit!

[topaz peak]

im going to try a coarse grit build someday

[bleak night]

It's easy to come by at least

[jolly bramble]

problem with this is 1) theres only so many surface nodes and 2) you need 6 earth boons to activate the infusion

[topaz peak]

and keepsakes exist

[gleaming flame]

Hi fwiend

[bleak night]

True, yeah. You mostly need Hera spam for it is all unless you want Hephaestus-Demeter

[topaz peak]

i just need to get the hera, Demeter and hep ones

[gleaming flame]

[bleak night]

[jolly bramble]

mind that demeter herself is mostly water elements. her 2ndary boons are the ones that are earth

[distant ocean]

sister blade basic attack builds have some potential to be great too :T

[topaz peak]

pan better tho

[atomic ibex]

However, Hera is pure earth

[gleaming flame]

How have you been in the what feels like ages since we've last chatted consistently

[distant ocean]

pan is better when you're allowed to have magick.and get all the hammers you want.

[atomic ibex]

And Hephaestus is mainly earth

[topaz peak]

true

[bleak night]

Doing alright Was working a lot, now I'm taking a break and playing

[gleaming flame]

[fickle pasture]

on my first skull weapon run, and it is just not clicking for me.

[sudden belfry]

is flutter strike any good on axe

[gleaming flame]

I'm about to take a week off of work for FFXIV expansion

[topaz peak]

who needs to pass exams (im in uni) when hades 2 just got released

[rain hazel]

Any tips for axe? The last attack windup usually ends up with me taking a hit. Am I just supposed to not use it?

[bleak night]

You should probably focus on those exams lol

[gleaming flame]

Don't use it tbh

[topaz peak]

they're in a few weeks but they're getting closer yes

[main hatch]

Is it just me or is Aspect of Charon kind of good?

[jolly bramble]

practice dash attacking between combos. you can also animation cancel some of the windup

[topaz peak]

got bunch of assessments next week tho

[limpid girder]

try using your attack omega on repeat with the axe

[bleak night]

I'll go make an infusion chart guide, actually

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message I think this is something that can maybe be pushed to 32? Idk yet. It feels cool to have something without origination do so well

[main hatch]

The easy burst damage feels really nice.

[civic ocean]

Be sure to put Air Quality Scorch in there pog

[topaz peak]

the feeling im getting is that every boon is good in someway with the right weapon and stuff excet a couple

[main hatch]

Cast, dash, charge, boom

[gleaming flame]

Wait does Air Quality make each scorch point do 30???

There's no way right, isn't that kind of nuts

[limpid girder]

i was saying earlier this makes me want a generic gods boon that allows you rarify the first boon you get.

[civic ocean]

I am not sure exactly how it works but it does jump scorch's damage considerably - in that screenshot I dealth 35 thousand scorch damage despite only taking 2 hestia boons

[bleak night]

a venn diagram would probs work, right? For an infusion guide

[gleaming flame]

If it does that's absolutely insane 😭 air quality Hestia cast would go insane

[distant ocean]

if I could slow down time, if I could find a way

[civic ocean]

Probably a wheel with Hermes and Artemis in the center and the other 8 on the spokes?

[bleak night]

do Hermes and Artemis have infusions ?

[distant ocean]

i'm going poppy huntin right now to find out :B

[spare kite]

Hermes does pretty sure

[civic ocean]

Hermes does but not Artemtis yet

But those two are the only ones who have 3 affinities IIRC

[bleak night]

Artemis and Hermes are also mostly Air/Earth, from what I see

[runic ocean]

which arcanas do you guys think are best to upgrade?

[civic ocean]

Hermes is fire/air/earth, Artemis appears to be Air/Earth

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239765602349092904/image.png?ex=66441d31&is=6642cbb1&hm=d0c87a1d24734fbdd7afbfa0a8edf70785138baa1f8bd3aca7ff101ef1444810& if anyone needs to mine the iron that spawns here w/o catching fire apparently around here you have enough reach lol

[rain hazel]

I usually take Slice but are Boundless/Concentrated Furrys worth considering for daggers?

[queen charm]

you know that explosive upgrade Icarus has for Omega moves? How would that work for Pan's O-Special

would it be 50 base damage for each dagger?

[civic ocean]

you bet

[queen charm]

sounds gross

[spare kite]

that actually works? lmfao

[rain hazel]

So are the daggers omega specials for the daedalus upgrade good? I feel like theyre too scattered to consider using.

[queen charm]

Like, iirc when you use Apollo's omega cast with that Icarus upgrade it does an explosion for each hit, so I assumed it would be the same for Pan's omega special

so that's why I asked

[limpid girder]

i can't seem to get a good grasp on the staff. Special just feels like spitballs, attacks feel meh.

any advice?

[queen charm]

yeah I dont really care for the staff atm either

maybe I just need to play it more

[bleak night]

which gods give the darkness element again ? Just Chaos right ?

[queen charm]

yes

[atomic ibex]

Momus staff has insane damage output

Especially if you get the hammers that increase speed or cause it to fire two shots

I think Poseidon Momus with the double hammer has the highest damage output in the game

[limpid girder]

i maxed aspect of Milenoe thinking it would make her omegas really killer but only the double front omegaa ttack hammer upgrade seems worth it

[queen charm]

wait...you mean elemental affinity elements? I think the purple 'element' is for duos, and Chaos can give them out, yeah

[limpid girder]

i haven't hard committed to a special build yet i'll give that a go

[bleak night]

ah, that they do

[queen charm]

is the duo element even used for anything

Hermes? Or can his infusion be activiated without the purple element

[atomic ibex]

Chaos has a boon that increases omega damage per Aether

[charred flame]

Guys how do i make thanatos axe good. I've tried a few times to make a solid build with it using either omega attack but they never work right 😦

[red perch]

any suggestions for pan aspect knives?

[south copper]

halian had a video on it recently

[limpid girder]

oh momus just gives flat power....

[charred flame]

Pos+ aphro or zeus+demeter are my reccs

[limpid girder]

i've had luck with aphro attack + demeter(that boosts attack omega), and the hammer that gives you +60 movement speed. If you can also get the one that lets you move while your whirlwind is going you can spam omega x to get multiple spinns going at a once

[charred flame]

Oh thats interesting

[red perch]

Zeus on attack or spec? or neither?

[limpid girder]

just don't take the one that shoots the spin in front of you, without the one that lets you move while spinning. Your whirlwind goes forward but you keep spinning. It seems very bad

[charred flame]

Blitz special

[red perch]

that hammer killed my last axe run

[charred flame]

Demeter cast to freeze everyone and then you get blitz triggers on everything

[topaz peak]

Yes with pan

[limpid girder]

same! I was so confused

like it takes away the flinch shield your spin gives you

[topaz peak]

Pos on attack, aphro on special

Then get the duo

Return to you hammer is very good and increase power for each consecutive hit on special is also very good

[spare kite]

pos special also works well

[native jacinth]

if you can get one of the cast boons that allow you to shoot your cast, that is also great

[topaz peak]

Yeah but you benefit more from aphro special duo. If you get pos on special might as well aim for apollo legendary at that point

[spare kite]

oh hey good idea, just went into oceanus lmao

[red perch]

fasho, thanks for the input everyone!

[topaz peak]

Pan is very easy to build for

Just relies slightly on hammer rng

[meager forge]

How can I get dark for the aspect of Thanatos axe?

[native jacinth]

keep going to Chaos as much as possible

[jolly bramble]

save 3 dark first for grasp 30

[civic ocean]

theorycrafting that Heph might be the best start on Antler Momus

[bleak night]

making a little diagram for elements, what colour should I put Air as? It's a little gradient of pink, yellow, green and a bit of purple

[civic ocean]

Green, blue,red, and brown are what they are in my head

[bleak night]

Green for air ?

[haughty depot]

i've managed to make them work with a bunch of boons but the flames feel like the uncontested worst weapon. i've beaten chronos with 8 fear on them and other weapons with 16 fear but the Trial of Heartache is my personal hell

[civic ocean]

ye

[bleak night]

could work then, yeah

[jolly bramble]

[distant ocean]

I think antler mel daggers is kinda busted, too

skulking is so much damage, and final slice is basically equal to double moonshot, and at base I think mel daggesr have more dps than momus, it's just a matter of the backstab conditional

[faint oyster]

Do wells of charon exist on the surface?

[jolly bramble]

havent seen any

[native jacinth]

no there's a different mechanic

You can unlock shrines for Hermes

[jolly bramble]

still havent gotten that. driftwood takes so long to appear

[topaz peak]

I do find it funny hecate is harder than Cerberus

[topaz peak]

I’ve been avoiding surface runs but i really need to go get iron and surface plants

[distant ocean]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNmlic3Y4cXI3bXFjbnpybDFyaTVqdGFtMnJkaGl0NTFqZ3ZmeTQ5diZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Fa4wkiTQjtLHXFcyx8/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[topaz peak]

And drift wood

[faint oyster]

I admittedly kinda wish sometimes that we have a tiny chance of getting seeds from whatever we plant. It's nothing big, but it would certainly ease up on the resource management.

[distant ocean]

considering ain't no body got time to be digging and mining during vow of desperation, ye

the timer does pause, but only while digging and mining, the seconds lost getting to the resource are precious, game timer should just pause on room clear tbh lol

[zenith bolt]

im did it https://i.imgur.com/13BspH4.png

[boreal thorn]

So, how does get scorch and or hitch to not suck?

[bleak night]

do we have the element icons rendered somewhere ?

[faint oyster]

Use them together maybe? Put hitch on most enemies then scorch one of them?

[distant ocean]

@civic ocean Was talking about Air Quality made Scorch do 30 dmg every time it ticked, I imagine it would do the same for hitch.

So that's how, get the zeus infusion :B

[bleak night]

huh ?

[faint oyster]

So Zeus+Hestia huh?

[bleak night]

I'm tryna make a little infographic thing for it atm, hold on

[distant ocean]

zeustia

or bezeus 🙂 jeff bezeus .. Hezeus*

[faint oyster]

C E A S E

[distant ocean]

ceasing.

[faint oyster]

XD

[icy orbit]

guys may i know what is the glowing blue icon i have above my death defiance icon?

[dusty ember]

is this setup good? i still only have 27 grasp https://imgur.com/a/reXNPYf

[distant ocean]

are you by chance using aspect of artemis? the best aspect in the game(tm)?

[icy orbit]

yes i am

[distant ocean]

that's your parry icon, when it dings you can feel safe again

[icy orbit]

oh alright, i see thank you very much

[distant ocean]

np

[zenith bolt]

how bad is it if i say i like torches now

[bleak night]

stockholm syndrome

[zenith bolt]

no but like eos is cool though

you only need a good born gain to make the aspect playable

[bleak night]

It's got good dps as a weapon, but I just really dislike how it plays

[zenith bolt]

legit just let torches regen magick while attacking

and then eos wont be so married to hera

[topaz peak]

Pan though

[jolly bramble]

ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

[zenith bolt]

like torches in the sense that i have something that at least is functional on them and feels good

i don't like torches more than axe or sister blades

staff is arguable just bc momus is boring as hell

skull i still dont know wtf im doing on, even after beating 20 fear with

[jolly bramble]

still theorycrafting in my head for skulls

apollo on attack for larger aoe and aphro on special seems ideal

pos on special aint bad either

heph on attack, but get the cd down to 2 seconds

just get it to lvl6
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1238876465320165446/image.png?ex=6643841e&is=6642329e&hm=b4d9d2d5672d5cc3681d20432cadb8e69ee6ed67e8350087d0242693aa1ed0de&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1588&height=993

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239779322303090748/Double_up.mp4?ex=664429f8&is=6642d878&hm=4e96cd8edb658194bde72949d1e353249f5aa02b519f60b60c7da23db8cb10c8&
@topaz peak

(arcana setup was judgement)

[bleak night]

nice damage

[spare kite]

if you want to make this more fun you need extra channeling speed (the pre reqs of apollo's legendary make this annoying)

w/o channel speed the 2nd wave of specials shoots while the cast is dissapearing

and can't take hera's cast cuz you need solar ring (or apollo's gain but you can see the mp cost lmao)

I think just going for pos's legendary is easier dmg, or aphro special if that's more your vibe

[elder falcon]

I can't tell if it's that powerful compared to everything else, but aspect of charon is a blast to play and a super safe choice compares to aspect of thanatos

[distant ocean]

this heph/aphro duo is pretty good
I wonder if it procs before, after, or alongside imperviousness and guardians and such
https://ibb.co/QJQ2jhP

[spare kite]

@solid vortex #h2-feedback message there are different types of sheep that spawn, the green ones are the ones that bop you to death (rest of feedback I agree tho, they are way too annoying for being unkillable)

[inner nexus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/552267673233522690/1239423293849604186/image.png?ex=66438724&is=664235a4&hm=04a6b8d700ff4189f854592273cdc7e062ea4ee3f9e2140ab7309b423dc6a53c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=810&height=178

hilarious getting it on the fourth room

[jolly bramble]

its good until you get hit

[inner nexus]

with the ax

[distant ocean]

it looks like soft carress triggers only when you actually take the damage to your health, so it even waits for armor to be depleted, smart, and amazing, and just top tier defensive duo for sure lol, very useful for antler runs where all you have is heph and demeter and maybe hermes sprint for most of your defense

[jolly bramble]

then you get hit for 10 and you realize that it also sucks

[distant ocean]

the point isn't even necessarily the healing, it's just the extra life aspect of it that I like lol

and it's obtained via aphro special and heph attack which is solid for pan, not sure if it works the other way though, if it does, also for artemis/mel

[faint oyster]

My forces are as numerous as grains of Hrnggh!! XD

[final root]

do normal special upgrades also affect your omega specials? looking at a hammer upgrade that makes my special bounce two more times, and wasn't sure if it'd also apply to the omega since i'm building into omega special

[spare kite]

if it says special(s) then it does, and the tooltip to the right should show the mini tutorial for omegas too

[final root]

Thank you! Doesn't look like it does

Oh duh the upgrade above explicitly says it does both - makes sense

[topaz peak]

Need to upgrade judgement more

[spare kite]

you can do this w/o judgement, this was mainly rerolls lol
judgement is just funny

[ionic lily]

Broadly speaking:
Special - only normal special
Specials - both normal and omega specials

But tooltip is best for confirmation

[bleak night]

I like how Fear 55 is basically 5x harder than Fear 50

[civic ocean]

it's gotta be like 10-20x harder right? Like I don't see how it's currently possible to beat Erebus in under 5 minutes with 55 fear active

[bleak night]

True, yeah

[zenith bolt]

ez pz https://i.imgur.com/C2G15lo.png

[bleak night]

it's all luck at that point, really

[civic ocean]

Was pleasantly surprised with no poseidon momus at 24 fear just now, even though my plan to start Heph didnt pan out

[queen charm]

there's some strong stuff in the game but the game's power level still feels weaker than 1's

[civic ocean]

We're missing like 11 free fear

from Hades 1

[bleak night]

They'll add EM's equivalent later on

[distant ocean]

so who wants to be the guy who takes momus and black fleece and stands ontop of a vent with heph gain for 24hours to ssee how much damage you can stack :B

[bleak night]

that'd be about 10 Fear

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239785200645570560/eris_32_fear.mp4?ex=66442f71&is=6642ddf1&hm=41169fe1ab14f2ab21ed967693dd1e2210ee0f45c563d63dff0a48668ac3da58&

[queen charm]

Extreme Measures, Middle Management, Benefits Package equivalents

[civic ocean]

well I guess we didn't do the 4 from Dad in Hades 1 that often

So it was 6 from EM, 3 from TD3, and 2 from MM

[charred flame]

I think hephaeatus attack needs to be like zeus where you prime some Magick and then every so often you get a burst. Even with lots of poms I'm not seeing how its damage can be comparable as is.

[jolly bramble]

i hate that rail attack when shes at 10%hp

[charred flame]

Like unless you got that thing down to 2s, you're better off with probably any of the other gods for attack

[bleak night]

East, I realized I have no talent for graphic design

I'll just have someone else make the infographic

[jolly bramble]

dunno if you can push it down to 1 sec
#h2-builds-and-combat message

[distant ocean]

the worst graphic designers are the best graphic designers, just look at all the dumb looking things that get put on googles main page every day.

believe in yo self

[charred flame]

At the very least, it should apply to everything hit by the attack, not just what's nearby the initial hit area.

[lone sequoia]

6 poseidon boons this run and didnt get special waves , left special slot empty just in case

[jolly bramble]

i think theres gonna be issues of having it trigger on 3 enemies with 3 different instances of the aoe

so they made it only on the first enemy hit

[split igloo]

instead of argent skull it should be called freaky skull

[jolly bramble]

im still waiting for an idle where melinoe would go "to be or not to be"

[split igloo]

how do you get familiars cause i want frino to be there to witness me die on level 2

[jolly bramble]

you make treats in the cauldron

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/NSfpqkK done for now, this could probably stack forever, which wouldn't do much good on a desperation run, but eh, for fun you could probably absolutely break the game with this and momus heal

after several hours lol

[jolly bramble]

wait, its stacking?

[distant ocean]

yeah, you could also get the boon that sacs 100 life for 3 regen a second and sit ontop of a damaging vent with one spinny mob in the room and go afk for a few hours

well huh i think it's stacking, lets see

[bleak night]

huh

Blackened Fleece does more damage after every 250 you take ?

[jolly bramble]

i mean it doesn say each time you get hit by 250 total

i think its just the first time you hit the 250 threshold

[distant ocean]

not sure, testing it now

[bleak night]

Yeah, I read it as being active when you hit the 250

[distant ocean]

I just assumed that it would stack since it counts damage taken beyond 250.

which admittedly was presumptious 🙂

[jolly bramble]

20% boost is still a good chunk

Easily achievable when you hit tartarus

[pastel bison]

I heard someone say that it's a 3 god pool in this game as opposed to the 4 god pool of H1, is that accurate?

[spare kite]

was doing the trial of doom, had 3 seconds left on the pin and managed to clutch it last second with phase shift lmao

[charred flame]

Trying 32 fear pan blades. Am I supposed to use pos or aphro special for max dps

[distant ocean]

dang, it does not stack at all

meh, 20% schmenty schmoschment..

[charred flame]

I feel like is pos special with aphro cast

[distant ocean]

either or

aphro's probably more damage, but i'm not sure if she even counts on the hook knives or the bouncing knives, does nearby mean they're physically near you when they take damage or does nearby mean the projectile or damage source hasn't traveled very far from the source*, cuz those knives get around lol

[jolly bramble]

Nearby is the exact range of axe melee

Anything further doesnt count

But you can get aphro pos duo

[distant ocean]

i mean you could but going both is an overreach

I always go aphrodite special tho, poseidon doesn't seem as strong to me except for when it comes to aoe but daggers never needed much help with aoe

and I still feel like the knockback is antithetical to it :T

on momus it's a bit different since you can't zip around quite as much

[clear monolith]

@bleak night Hello

[orchid fog]

I feel... so bad at this game. I'm 12 hours in and no Chronos kills.

[bleak night]

hiya, what part of the Axe are ya having trouble with ?

[pliant anchor]

https://imgur.com/a/cPZzENi this seems to be the best all around card setup get a 1 when I 30

[bleak night]

might need to build more coherently in regards to aiming for duos and whatnot

[clear monolith]

Well, as of now, I am just (s)winging it (heh) with boons

[bleak night]

Not too fond of this one since I don't really need that many rerolls

[mint pewter]

stupidly i can't remember which god this was but i got a cast || you throw (hestia?) || and it felt great and even better it stacked with demeter freezy cast so i was basically ||throwing a fireball that froze enemies on contact||

[orchid fog]

I never feel "powerful" in this game, like the first one. I always feel like I"m on the backfoot no matter what I do. I could never imagine getting 20+ run streaks in this game.

[bleak night]

You been going with Aphro or Apollo attack ?

[clear monolith]

I never focus on casts, which I should?

[bleak night]

on Axe, you can just run Demeter cast and call it a day. Press the button and it freezes enemies around you to give you space to whirl

[clear monolith]

uh, whoever shows up first

[pliant anchor]

helps you get the run going that you're aiming for, it's nice for quality of gameplay at the very least

[clear monolith]

Ah, okay.

[bleak night]

Apollo is great to start off with so you have wider AoE

[bleak night]

I suppose that's fair, yeah. I just enjoy all the bonuses I get from most of the rows I have turned on in mine

[clear monolith]

So, should I equip his keepsake? Have to check if I have unlocked it though

[bleak night]

You should run it for the first area, yeah

[clear monolith]

Gotcha

[bleak night]

Axe also has a few tricks to learn if you can practice on Skelly

[distant ocean]

mmh, just takes time, what have you been playing?

[pliant anchor]

what's yours currently?

[clear monolith]

such as?

[orchid fog]

I'm trying the staff aspect with the bonus special damage and heals with Poseidon

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/HTS2vQz does anyone know if this gives antler +1 at rank 3 lol

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239794793899360296/image.png?ex=66443861&is=6642e6e1&hm=012c0eb3b282a585be63211add436663fdf49b7d48aa4fd2177527c2013e9b8d&

[pliant anchor]

oh wow very different

[clear monolith]

30's the max?

[bleak night]

You can dash before you start whirling in order to close the distance, which can also be cancelled entirely

[distant ocean]

ahh, so you have aspect of momus? do you get double moonshot?

[bleak night]

I can stream a little Axe run if you want to see me play it

[clear monolith]

oh

[clear monolith]

sure

[rich shard]

Anyone got any good Flames Aspect of Moros builds? Im really liking it so far

[pliant anchor]

is this what you use for every build you try

[bleak night]

not entirely, no. Can I dm you my Arcana writeup? It's a wall of text here so

[pliant anchor]

sure

[distant ocean]

there are a few things you should do in order to maximize your damage, first of all white antler isn't exactly new player friendly but it is a huge amount of dps from a keepsake, but on top of that you should be aiming to get two curses on your cast so you can proc origination, demeter lets you add cyclone and freeze to it, which are enough, or you could add demeter to a hestia or aphrodite cast, too. Doing this lets you get your cast and curse damage arcana out very efficiently, while leaving your attack and specials open to duo of choice, but you could always get your curses from other places, like aphro gain or apollo/demeter sprint. Also don't forget to use your magick, not being at full magick gives you +50% damage to your basic momus specials.

I'm fairly certain momus could get a 20 run streak going without doubleshot or a boon lol

[orchid fog]

I am stuck with level one Momus tbf

[distant ocean]

ah, well there's the issya, you just need some more min maxin

that's 20 base damage you're missing, basically halving your dps

[orchid fog]

I can't upgrade it untill I unlock the Fear system

which requires... winning >.>

[lone sequoia]

if you want to win with staff just get poseidon special

[distant ocean]

ah in that case, I think that daggers are the best for your first kills

[lone sequoia]

you still crush 0 fear chronos without momus

[rich shard]

Is that actually best if you haven't beaten him?

[distant ocean]

Daggers, especially aspect of artemis which doesn't require levels in it to function at 90% of what it promises, are very versatile and safe

[distant ocean]

I think so, considering aspect of artemis just gives you a free complete shield every 15s and 50% crit, without needing to sink nightmare into it

[rich shard]

Not really... ive died 3 times on Momus (without beating him before)

[distant ocean]

pan similarly functions very well without nightmare

but it's not as safe, no parry, but maybe more dps

[lone sequoia]

i got him first time i tried the build, was my first chronos kill too, before i unlocked the aspect system

[rich shard]

I will try that then cuz im getting to Chronos pretty consistently but i die every time

[mint cedar]

You still have to be able to kill the enemies

[lone sequoia]

normal poseidon special and the hammer to cast 2x

[distant ocean]

the treat about daggers is sticking to your opponents ass. the ability to teleport from danger to weakpoint is... invaluable

[lone sequoia]

another cheesy build without aspect system you can do is zeus cast

[distant ocean]

you'll be using Ω attacks alot with daggers rather you run pan or artemis

[charred radish]

+1 for Zeus Cast, got me through Chronos

[zenith bolt]

ok beat 32 fear underworld

[lone sequoia]

if you still struggle you can turn on god mode in the settings so you can learn the chronos fight

[tall notch]

What's a god that goes well with both Hera and Aphrodite? I'm trying to cook up a build

[distant ocean]

they also are very efficient at slowing everything down since the animation for the Ω attack happens very quickly, you just feel like a god when you figure out that daggers are the best weapon 🙂

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239798232666607736/32_fear_chronos.mp4?ex=66443b95&is=6642ea15&hm=f923d2ac838343080b5f11e1628927f289551f1613a9856c1cb8fa31126290d4&

[distant ocean]

you can hold down Ω attack and dash around until you're in a good position for 99% of the game, it's only when it comes to chronos that you actually have to use the Ω attack to get behind him when he attacks since he's immune to slowdown

[covert rose]

Artemis daggers are probably my favorite weapon in the game, I once did a hit for over 2k damage with them (had the hammer that boosts the final attack + a ton of attack boosting boons)

[rich shard]

I have 70% god mode on and im still dying like every time ;-;

[lone sequoia]

just keep trying a bit more, you'll get used to it

the fights get a lot easier as you redo them

[pale kindle]

https://prnt.sc/_XP5WPWwLeqO can i max out all of these or no or how does this work?

[distant ocean]

oh yeah, god mode exists, i forgot about that, good call : )

[rich shard]

Ive only just stopped using the axe so i think maybe itll be better with the blades i hope

[pale kindle]

how far along are your tarot - by the time you are around 25 grasp itll start to get easier

[zenith bolt]

you can max all of those

[distant ocean]

each one can be upgraded 3 times

[rich shard]

Ive never played either games without it on lmao

[distant ocean]

and all of them can be upgraded

[zenith bolt]

i took a chaos boon that run and it actually destroyed me. it was a "lose 1 boon option" and i lost on heph prime, poseidon slip, and some other useful thing from heph

[lone sequoia]

the death defiance arcane + skelemaus keepsake for chronos fight also help a lot

try to always get to chronos with all your dd up

dont be scared to take the fights slow but conserve your hp

[distant ocean]

I'm not exactly moral orel about people using it, I just have too much pride as a pro gamer personally, lol, well idk if it's pride or unbridled malice for challenge.

use it if you gotta tbh

[lone sequoia]

if you take too much dmg you are probably trying to hit the bosses too much

[distant ocean]

gaurdians are great for chronos, too

[rich shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046270804763086910/1239799204055093278/IMG_2634.jpg?ex=66443c7c&is=6642eafc&hm=f5db766877edb6b3cbe034cb6ccde3d4e61b6c6a7192cde9851b8b8adae3e466&

[lone sequoia]

i dont think any of the bosses enrage, they have the same phases if you kill faster or slower

[pale kindle]

Does anyone have a good suggested 12 fear build im struggling to determine what's gonna screw me the least. This is for going down not up btw, I DO know that makes a difference.

[distant ocean]

there's a ton of get out of jail free cards, like demeter shield, hermes sprint, heph shield, heph mint condition, heph aphro duo, coarse grit even

and aspect of artemis

[tall notch]

40% forced overtime, 2x the thing that spawns mobs from next biome and tight deadline 2

[pale kindle]

ive always been averse to tight deadline as it locks me out of some builds I like that take a bit longer

[zenith bolt]

40% speed for 12 fear???

[tall notch]

The game is more fun at 40% speed

[distant ocean]

that 2nd card on the last column on the right there is the guardian card, very good card, gives you 3 shields at max when entering a gaurdian room, that's just three hits that never happen 🙂

[rich shard]

What should i use tho

[zenith bolt]

for everything except skull i would do this https://i.imgur.com/YYEWeNs.png 12 fear

[tall notch]

Eris acts like she drank two monsters before you came over

[lone sequoia]

40% speed harpies and spear guys

[pale kindle]

i normally take panic so i think ill swap out the extra health for panic

[zenith bolt]

revenants are a free take on some weps but i find them very annoying so i try not to use them unless i need the fear

[distant ocean]

she's a total kyle.

[zenith bolt]

rift of thessaly mobs are built different fr

[distant ocean]

can hestia sprint destroy harpie spinnies?

[lone sequoia]

25% to spawn next zone in underworld 4 should spawn thessaly mobs

[pale kindle]

https://prnt.sc/n82hCAcm3fYQ this is what ill do ty guys

[distant ocean]

can we get this man a permaban?

[pale kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horrors-beyond-our-comprehension-low-tier-god-mods-banned-gif-8530537273735940092

[cerulean swift]

is there an EM equivalent in the fear system yet?

[bleak night]

Nope

[distant ocean]

not yet

[cerulean swift]

didn't think so but jw, havent dived too much into fear levels yet, just 1-2

[split shadow]

Poseidon + Hestia Boon = OP

Right?

[bleak night]

I can't even handle Forced Overtime 2 on the bosses yet lol

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239800712255504414/IMG_0826.png?ex=66443de4&is=6642ec64&hm=7ab720ba1fd83d34bf4beb96e0e0577ca222c90387904ade7c5b584cfdea7e14&

[cerulean swift]

i bet you could do it with thanatos axe or skull

[lone sequoia]

imagine getting an elite harpy during chronos phase 2

peak gaming

[zenith bolt]

well crap now the "do the pitch-black stone or oath of the unseen" message is a little useless to me isnt it

given i've done the extent to both that i wish to do rn

[pale kindle]

the one that removes your arcana buffs is high fear only right

[zenith bolt]

time to max out keepsakes and relationship stuff and arcana

[bleak night]

I mean, that is what I use for them, but I still have trouble with the attack patterns is all

[zenith bolt]

i would say it's a complete non-take unless 55

[pastel bison]

Been playing a lot of sister blades, and my Omega Attack seems to miss Chronos quite often. It teleports me too far away from him and the attack whiffs. Anyone have this issue and know how to play around it by chance?

[bleak night]

I'm doing keepsake maxing rn and it's taking a while considering I'm lugging some really wasted slots. I should probably turn the Fear down so I can do it without worry

[zenith bolt]

im probably just gonna leave my fear at 3 (just speed lol so i dont have to readjust later)

[bleak night]

I'll just do FO2 and call it a day so I can get used to it more

[pastel bison]

Yeah I have been only playing with 40% speed to get used to it

[zenith bolt]

yeah maybe i could do +40%

[pastel bison]

It makes it really tough ngl

[zenith bolt]

given im already used to +20% the jump isnt as bad i guess

eris is gonna be a pos but she always is

[bleak night]

I'll just set mine to an easy 11

[zenith bolt]

finally... i can play axe again...

[bleak night]

FO2, Wandering 2, 1 Tight Deadline

[wary flicker]

How do I get the boons for "slot c" and "slot t". They are the only 2 I am missing

[bleak night]

Hp reduction 25%

[pastel bison]

Slot C is Schelemeus, so just gift him in the training area

[bleak night]

C from Skelly, T from Medea in the City in the surface

[wary flicker]

K. I tried to gift medea but a glitch didn't let me, I'll just try and find her again XD

[zenith bolt]

maybe i just do 16 fear axe runs like this https://i.imgur.com/zQhGYSw.png

[bleak night]

she's really rare lol

[bleak night]

no blue hearts on Axe is kinda heaven

[jolly bramble]

iirc you cant gift her the first time you interact

[bleak night]

It feels like night and day to have to deal with them

[zenith bolt]

or maybe i drop arrogance for +40% speed just to git gud

[zenith bolt]

my 20 fear on skull i used barriers and oh my god i hated it

[pastel bison]

Vow of Forsaking feels pretty much like free fear the majority of the time, no? I would much rather than than higher costs

[bleak night]

just go 40% so you get used to it

[zenith bolt]

forsaking makes me feel bad when i get multiple good options

but kinda real

[pastel bison]

It can definitely feel bad

but I also feel bad when I cant buy stuff I want lol

[zenith bolt]

the allegedly chill 20 fear https://i.imgur.com/TqyoDuB.png

+hp is rank 2

[pastel bison]

I feel like you dont even have to think about timer at 7:00

5 gets sketchy though

[zenith bolt]

yea i play a goober at times and timer makes me stressy so no

[bleak night]

9 min timer at the very least because 36 minutes is a lot

I honestly still refuse to play with Revenants

[pastel bison]

Yeah Id suggest 9 minutes at the very least

[zenith bolt]

yea 9 min shouldnt a problem unless you're playing like basic attack staff lo

[pastel bison]

real

[lone sequoia]

does it count time talking to npcs

[zenith bolt]

me, before the run: "hmm surely revenants are fine, right"
me, during the run: seeing red

[pastel bison]

Not as far as I know.

[bleak night]

I'm still trying to do the Chaos prophecies

[zenith bolt]

i havent even gotten like half the god prophecies

[bleak night]

One of them is bugged atm and the other I just can't finish because I can't find it

[queen charm]

I hope we get more infusions with multiple elements, like if one required 3 wind and 3 fire, etc

[spare kite]

menus/artemis style encounters/npc rooms all pause the timer

[jolly bramble]

probably somewhere in the future..hopefully

[bleak night]

some of the infusions need buffs tbh

[queen charm]

that too

[spare kite]

chaos/shops/fountains are pretty fast cuz they skip a normal encounter

[queen charm]

some of them are kinda weak, yea

[zenith bolt]

half the infusions are insane and the other half are like ??? why would i take this

[lone sequoia]

i picked up eos torches to try and they are surprisingly strong, got a 0 dd eris

[bleak night]

thanks for reminding me

I will be skipping every shop and chaos encounter I find in the next few runs for the keepsake maxing runs

[spare kite]

what's annoying is that the asphodel kidnapping doesn't stop timer (but I wonder if TD disables it?)

[jolly bramble]

getting +25% on martial arts

[pastel bison]

How does The Moon card interact with Apollo cast?

[tall notch]

TD definitely doesn't disable it

[spare kite]

rip

[charred flame]

Man 32 fear is hard lol

[pastel bison]

It is. What aspect are you trying it with?

[charred flame]

Mel blades cuz pan blades was making me mad lol

[pastel bison]

Lol fair

[charred flame]

When I pick Mel blades I get all the boons I need for pan blades and vice versa

It's annoying lol

[bleak night]

that's unfortunate

[zenith bolt]

great:

• demeter (coarse grit): arguably the best infusion
• hera (proper upbringing): synergy with uncommon grace, also just a general "all stats up" of sorts, which is nice. my daily hot take

good:

• aphrodite (wispy wiles): dodge is good, me likey
• hephaestus (martial art): more damage is a nice thing to have
• poseidon (water fitness): fat hp gains

meh:

• zeus (air quality): good with demeter cast stuff i guess
• apollo (self healing): ehhhhhhhhh
• hestia (slow cooker): like hephaestus' but worse
• hermes (tall order): hard to activate unless chaos or narcissus juice you but still cool ig

[tall notch]

I've been getting absolutely screwed over by boon rarity lately. It's like Zeus forgot he can make his cast higher than common?

[zenith bolt]

oh i forgot hermes'

[spare kite]

chaos too

[zenith bolt]

uhh kinda bad unless narcissus or chaos juices you

[jolly bramble]

hestia boons are just mostly terrible. her sprint is the saving grace imo

[sly turret]

forgot poseidon lol

[zenith bolt]

crap i literally had it written down and just deleted it by accident

fixed

[spare kite]

how many fire does hestia's infusion need again

[lone sequoia]

how do you unlock the boon codex, dont have it on my incantations yet

[tired nebula]

at least 1 - her infusion stacks with more fire

[spare kite]

unlock all god keepsakes

[jolly bramble]

prob 3

[zenith bolt]

hestia's infusion is a "buff per element" type

[spare kite]

right, Heph's too right

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/kcBu0hK.png

[jolly bramble]

ew

[zenith bolt]

heph's is the same but +5% per earth

[queen charm]

also hestia's buffs omega attacks and specials and heph's doesnt seem to, at least according to the descriptions

[jolly bramble]

well i guess its dependent on your weapon

[spare kite]

I mean it seems better if you already have a lot of additive no?
tho the issue is that most fire element aren't that great from what I remember

and you are prob already dipping in earth for coarse grit

[jolly bramble]

getting tall order after you finished the chaos boon that gives +2 to all elements

[zenith bolt]

i think if you're aiming for infusions specifically, demeter's is the way to go

i think the most impactful one that just shows up is hera's

[jolly bramble]

yep. hera's is just have a huge power spike

[zenith bolt]

• hera's has a synergy with uncommon grace

[queen charm]

I like Hera's-its sorta like exclusive access but in some ways its better

[bleak night]

was on reddit and apparently people think the Axe is too slow to do anything with

[zenith bolt]

when have redditors ever had sane opinions

[bleak night]

I wanted to comment so badly

[spare kite]

Just ignore it

[charred flame]

The air quality infusion is pretty good for the blades, especially if you build them with chain lightning and poseidon attack. Usually results in a colossal dps boost.

[rugged otter]

I only have about 12 hours in but I just wanna say how fun it is to have demeter and Zeus boons together for the cast. Being able to aim it and bring down a lightning bolt and also do frost attacks is satisfying.

[jolly bramble]

when axe just spin

[bleak night]

Water doesn't seem to have any really good infusions atm huh

[jolly bramble]

more hp aint bad. gives more mistake insurance

[queen charm]

I like the +100 hp

[jolly bramble]

and youre bound to get it when you take pos special

[bleak night]

How come there's just one ?

[spare kite]

The advantage of pos's infusion is that you are prob picking it up anyways by going for the legendary lmao

[topaz peak]

It’s kinda scary the game has already been out for a week and I’ve already got 33 hours invested into it

[queen charm]

Im assuming Dio will be the other water infusion

[bleak night]

Fire has two, Air has two, Earth has three and Water has one + Apollo requiring all 2 of all 4

[zenith bolt]

well that's another one down https://i.imgur.com/SmLADpt.png

[jolly bramble]

i have 39. someone has 50. game took over our lives lmao

[topaz peak]

It’s good

[rugged otter]

It’s so good

[frosty ruin]

Does the Hermes boon count as an infusion? I got it before I knew what infusions were lol

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239807679375867925/image.png?ex=66444461&is=6642f2e1&hm=7b6da2091676c8a8a8b0dd23b8d5118fa36975ec756ca7280dfa35e8fae485ef guhhhh

[zenith bolt]

yea hermes' is an infusion

[jolly bramble]

ayyy. im going for that. just on the 2nd hot spring scene

[zenith bolt]

looking away https://i.imgur.com/bpZ61Ol.png

[bleak night]

tf man

[topaz peak]

Engaging in talk about builds is great. I played hades last year but i wasn’t engaging in build discussions so i kinda sucked

[queen charm]

says I got 72 hrs

[topaz peak]

Bruh

[bleak night]

how many runs in that 79 hours, Pajama ?

[zenith bolt]

lemme check

94

[frosty ruin]

Y’all need help

[bleak night]

damn

[zenith bolt]

took 29 for my first win bc i was rusty as hell

[bleak night]

I'm at 80 meanwhile

[queen charm]

95...I died on a lot of these

[topaz peak]

I took like 47 for my first win

[bleak night]

still early on, we'll learn

[topaz peak]

😭

[orchid fog]

well, just made it to second phase Chronos and got him halfway down his health bar. Sadly I only had one Death Defiance when I showed up or I think I could have won. I'm gonna do this build again.

[bleak night]

Let me check what my earliest win was

[topaz peak]

Once the story is finished clearing bosses will be easy

[rich shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046270804763086910/1239808135888240660/IMG_2636.jpg?ex=664444ce&is=6642f34e&hm=17050d5750984618568263db5208bbc95d9176305fceba7c7c694deb8f45ad63&

I only just beat Scylla this run but i am very confident in this build so far

[spare kite]

Passed 40 hrs today
Win at 10/11 run (whatever the last run where Eris stops showing is)

[frosty ruin]

I would have a lot more hours rn but I’m half a state away from my PC and don’t own a steam deck 🫠

[rich shard]

My cast did like 20% of the heath bar at full charge

[bleak night]

this was back when I thought the Axe was unredeemable slow trash https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239808440486858842/image.png?ex=66444516&is=6642f396&hm=775f5678b9d6b27942f1b3e27143c753915017e00265821e28bc2af9a434a3d0

[empty trellis]

help quick, i got sister blades with the hammer that does a straight line for the omega special and the one that makes it cheaper, do i get demeter for 115% special or posideon with 55 splash dmg

[jolly bramble]

took me 25 and on torches
https://imgur.com/a/F2f4UbR

[zenith bolt]

my first win was axe i think

[bleak night]

cheaper and charge faster + Poseidon

[empty trellis]

bet, thanks

[bleak night]

leap behind the target and charge it up

[bleak night]

I gave Axe a try afterward

[spare kite]

Channel speed hammer my beloved

[rich shard]

How do you check this?

[zenith bolt]

incantation unlocks a fellow that shows you this

you have to have unlocked the taverna, at least

[jolly bramble]

yep. after the tavern, you get to invite 2 shades

[orchid fog]

what's a good god to start with if I'mma try Axe Spin-to-Win?

[jolly bramble]

one is the run records. the other is run stats

[topaz peak]

I can’t wait to fully upgrade judgment and then go crazy

[bleak night]

You have Hera ?

[jolly bramble]

apollo for massive reach or aphro for high damage

heroic apollo is like half screen reach

[topaz peak]

With judgement though can it cause your zero arcana to come up

[orchid fog]

I've unlocked her so she can show up but I haven't given her Nectar yet...

[bleak night]

Apollo for AoE and general spacing, Aphro if you want to go in and kill things faster. Generally Apollo is a good start because his mana regen is always perfect for you

[orchid fog]

Is Axe Melinoe aspect any good?

[topaz peak]

Apollo for axe is great

[bleak night]

It's fine, yeah, no real bonuses on it but no real detriments either

[orchid fog]

I mean there's less lag after attacks

[jolly bramble]

its 25% less windup at max iirc

[bleak night]

I could honestly barely feel it lol

[split igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237599161109450793/1239809724929544263/Screenshot_2024-05-14-01-19-07-58_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=66444648&is=6642f4c8&hm=843508c8534f8469a84f1e3afedd9e55bef7ae74c83e3e93d91d1b0306b257c6&

[orchid fog]

so I shouldn't waste my resources on it then

[jolly bramble]

well youre supposed to dash attack anyway

[split igloo]

Current highest w/ record.

[orchid fog]

oh should I get Than's aspect?

[zenith bolt]

i think i just save money and aim for bones on these runs

[bleak night]

not surprised it's all Momus lol

[jolly bramble]

i was wondering how one excahgned fish for bones. turns out i just need to sell them to the broker

[bleak night]

what site is this one ?

[topaz peak]

How do you clear so quickly? My win was at like the 43 mark

It was my first win but still

[jolly bramble]

witch staff. so probably momus spam

[bleak night]

people spam the broken weapon with a machinegun special with high base damage

that being said, it's fun to see high damage numbers so quickly, so I do get it

[split igloo]

Done by veteran players.

[bleak night]

can I have a link to the site ?

[jolly bramble]

momus. more like machine gun

[bleak night]

seems like they have videos on the runs, I wanna watch

[topaz peak]

I haven’t gotten around to momus spam

Is it better than pan?

[jolly bramble]

its better than pan

[bleak night]

@nimble dawn Hiya, any idea what site this is ? I see your name on the leaderboard and all. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237599161109450793/1239809724929544263/Screenshot_2024-05-14-01-19-07-58_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=66444648&is=6642f4c8&hm=843508c8534f8469a84f1e3afedd9e55bef7ae74c83e3e93d91d1b0306b257c6

[glossy rivet]

do u guys think charon cleavecast axe is stronger than than spin2win?

[spare kite]

I tried amomus thrice and it felt dirty so I haven't touched the staff again

[nimble dawn]

idk, might cuz I post my clear vid on web

[bleak night]

Oh, you have a vod? May I watch

[topaz peak]

I’ll try it next time it wants to collect bones

[cursive valley]

Anyone had any success with the Trial of Heartache yet for Chaos trials? Last one on my list and its a freaking pain

[zenith bolt]

i cant believe amogus is the strongest weapon in hades 2

[nimble dawn]

I have a 45fear vid, but not for 50 tho

[bleak night]

still sounds pretty good

[jolly bramble]

thankfully the bone bonus has been on staff 1 time since ive maxed momus so i havent touched it again just yet

[split igloo]

We should have available tmr. Trying our best to keep updated.

[nimble dawn]

https://youtu.be/24lTTRPt5Po?si=ia9ehcesHQ_1Oxy8

[bleak night]

Oh, I see. Thank you

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643633434228686874/1239811937278234665/image.png?ex=66444858&is=6642f6d8&hm=4d841bc68a6072ec1064962b455673a2e96895b62f3a6088b6ec234564ea8992& ayo good for mel skull?