h2-builds-and-combat

[strange kite]

theres only boon rarity not changing room reward

[spare kite]

Yeah the 6 cost card isn't just the same

[strange kite]

theres a 6 cost card wut?

[spiral mountain]

Right, but the big problem is getting those initial boons. After that it doesn't matter as much, even in Hades 1

[devout yarrow]

It change once per run a minor reward into a major one

[spiral mountain]

So the 6 cost card is good enough imo

[strange kite]

does rerolling doors change minor to major?

[spare kite]

No

[spiral mountain]

With the rerolls no

[strange kite]

or is meta currency always rerolled into meta

big F

[cursive knot]

No but can turn useless majors into useful ones

[strange kite]

what counts as a major?

[spiral mountain]

Boons, Hammer, Max Life, Max Mana, Money, Selene

[spare kite]

Anything that boosts the run
^

[strange kite]

oh okay. damn i wish they buffed selene

[mystic bison]

Major finds are basically run specific, whereas minor are meta

[carmine linden]

sometimes there's a scroll below the reward icon of a room, what does that mean?

[cursive knot]

I just wish they didn't offer her as first thing in a run

[spare kite]

Prophecy related

[drifting gulch]

I thought since mana money and life can get hit by double up they were minor boons

[spiral mountain]

Yeah, I agree, Selene shouldn't be a first room reward

[carmine linden]

https://imgur.com/fmmPPJF this one, not the usual prophecy icon

[devout yarrow]

I really hate selene as a gimmick compared to aid tbh

Sorry didn’t mean to replied

[strange kite]

selene needs buffs

[mystic bison]

It sucks when you have no choice but to pick her later in the run just as much

[heavy flame]

selene is worthless on non omega runs, kinda sucks

[spare kite]

Selene has some fun stuff but yeah, I wish she had more

[spiral mountain]

I feel like there's a build there with the card that regens the hex, but I haven't tried it much

[strange kite]

it’s not worth it tho

[cursive knot]

Honestly I just reroll her at this point but some of them felt like nice boosts when just starting off and learning the game

[strange kite]

the opportunity cost of that card is too high and even if it was 1 grasp i would only consider it as a filler

[spare kite]

Is also prophecy
Is prob the "kill each miniboss" or pick up boons from her idk

[devout yarrow]

You can build around selene, but you can just get shafted by being force to pick bad hex, you don’t even need the card you just need a good gain and a weapon that burns a ton of magick

[lone frigate]

Lmao ftw I have 15 charges of healing

[heavy flame]

the hex regen card should be a 0 cost card

[mystic bison]

The heal hex is good to learn the game but as I've gotten good I try to ignore her all the time now

[carmine linden]

ah ok, thanks

[spiral mountain]

Couldn't you go almost permanently invunerable with the hex that transforms you with enough regen tho? I tried to do something like that but I didn't get it to a good enough point

[devout yarrow]

I greatly dislike the moon phase mechanic, it just feels way extra honestly

[spare kite]

I'm a fan of moon howl just for the guaranteed crit

[grand prism]

There's always the Darkside hex with the bug that stops you from moving and/or dashing, lol

[ionic moon]

selene by release hopefully gets to the point where a hex-only build is possible

[mystic bison]

I thought that was a forget me not reminder

[lone frigate]

Man the first time I use the slow down hex against a certain opponent

[grand prism]

Darkside's effect is WAY too strong, invulnerability for that long is too powerful. Right now, the bug balances it out xD

[devout yarrow]

Well yeah but you can get shafted as always into picking poly, moon beam or some other bad hexes

[grand prism]

Hey don't you call my sheparding bad. >:(

[cursive knot]

Half the time I forget I have them tbh

[devout yarrow]

The second problem with her is how bad most of the hex are, if you remember most hades aid were quite good

[spiral mountain]

More sheep, where did they come from?

[oak falcon]

Even wolf howl and lunar ray are only good with a fair bit of investment. There like 2 hexes that are good on their own

[grand prism]

"I'll keep this form, thank you!"

[lone frigate]

Wolf howl, healing, the slow down and the transform hexs are my go-to yeah

[spare kite]

Calls being charged on dmg instead of mana spending was really nice (cuz we didn't have mana but you get me)

We need a smair type boon for hexes really lol

[devout yarrow]

And they aren’t great on chronos because he doesn’t care about the time slow and sometimes just shank you while you do the little animation lol

[grand prism]

phase shift is good even on chronos, if you invest into the path of stars. Lots of buffs regardless of whether he's slowed, and quick to regenerate. Just gotta makes sure to cast at safe times lol

[spiral mountain]

Wish Hestia has some kind of way to increase the tick rate on her scorch...feels like it only really works out if you have the scorch explode boon and you're stacking like crazy.

[lone frigate]

When I diffed every floors with slow down for the first time with the hex, and I fought Chronos for the first time with it..

[civic lake]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/567163323062157375/1239230990635892886/image.png?ex=66422b4b&is=6640d9cb&hm=c65f091184ba4b00402ae885c0dbbac1222ab17cc0fcf21ec863101d1dbc21d2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=332&height=350
I just managed to put this build together and then... my Ω cast stopped working LOL
It doesn't explode or do the Apollo beam effect anymore

[grand prism]

Yeah scorch is disappointing

[spare kite]

Her legendary does that, but y'know, is a legendary

[heavy flame]

I've had that bug happen. It fixed itself a room or two alter.

[devout yarrow]

Scorch feels like a bad compression of doom and poison

[civic lake]

Hopefully it fixes itself for me too

[devout yarrow]

But hey it is early access for a reason

[bleak night]

It's good that we find the bugs now so they can iron them out

[grand prism]

bad + bad = bad, you say?

[spiral mountain]

Well there is ONE way to make Doom good, but yeah.

[oak falcon]

Hangover used to be one of the best call options though. Really good in regular rooms

[spare kite]

Is still one of the bests

[devout yarrow]

That one way was REALLY good tho

[spiral mountain]

Dash-Strike, Dash-Strike, Dash-Strike, Dash-Strike. I win.

[spare kite]

Also yeah the tick speed really limits scorch

Hangover builds were at least really good consistent dmg by just poms , not insane dps but it gets you there

[heavy flame]

it feels to me like the bad builds in hades 1 were still okay. The bad builds in hades 2 are just.. yea, might as well give up

When you get to further levels and your damage just isn't up to par? yea, good luck grinding every room slow as hell

[ionic moon]

when nemesis or Heracles shows up while you have a scorch build...

[wet nova]

this build would be crazy insane with the hammer aspect

cos it doesnt consume your magick technically

[civic lake]

No, it doesn't work
Apollo's effect only works when the cast expires

I know because it was my first thought

[wet nova]

oh mb I called it hammer, I mean axe

[wet nova]

axe makes it expire on hit

[civic lake]

Yeah, it doesn't work how you think it would with Charon's hammer

It does the blast effect, but not Apollo's

[wet nova]

it does, Ive used apollo cast specifically with axe aspect that triggers it

[spiral mountain]

"Would be crazy with the hammer" is a thought I've had a bit too much with this game. I don't remember it being this mandatory in the first game, altho I admitedly never went for really high heat.

[wet nova]

wdym ive done it so many times

[oak falcon]

That makes me think, a theoretical aspect of Daedalus would be sick

[civic lake]

.... It's the first thing I tried with this build, it didn't work for me at least

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1238498484454424650/8mb.video-vzT-vYgvmPA7.mp4?ex=66422418&is=6640d298&hm=509e9504fa5e195ea13f6177428196c12af0e9d5e8bec4553d3f88cf9d16b5bb&

look apollo beams worked here

[spare kite]

To detonate with charon you need to normal cast, then the explosion will act as Ω

[wet nova]

yh^

[spare kite]

But also I think it wouldn't work as good cuz you can't channel the extra mp for the first duo (idk how important for dmg it is)

[bleak night]

testing some shaders, this one's kinda too bright, right? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239233063746015352/image.png?ex=66422d3a&is=6640dbba&hm=bc19ab52709d929341ec7259b522014aaaa930d183dcdca0bbec0150e3bce465

[wet nova]

technically its kindve a story spoiler but I believe || icarus ||worked on some

[rancid summit]

REAL

[civic lake]

I'm not sure then?

[rancid summit]

i miss calls

[spiral mountain]

Phrasing

[civic lake]

Because yeah, the first time I went for this combo I went with the Axe aspect

[wet nova]

Ill try it out, I dont know if that duo where it keeps increasing damage works

[civic lake]

Just make sure you get Hermes' cost reduction, and some source of mana regen like demeter or apollo if possible

My last cast cost me 140 during my cerberus fight just now

[spare kite]

Instant hex charge lmao

[civic lake]

Yeah lol, I have the slowdown time Hex right now... the other problem is that my source of mana regen is Demeter's "Stand still" boon... but the 1s of standing still thingy is slowed down during it too

If I had a better source of mana regen, like Apollo's, it would be a lot better

[devout yarrow]

Demeter gain is not suitable for high octane combat

[spare kite]

I don't like dem's gain

[spiral mountain]

So many of the gains are garbage. hephaestus is another one

[civic lake]

It's the first I could find
Right now the gameplay loop is setting up my orbital laser and then going to a corner to look at a wall

[spiral mountain]

In a lot of cases for me, Apollo's gain ends up sounding better than it really is. Usually you need your cast for Crowd Control, so you're not gonna be standing in it to regen.

[civic lake]

Hera's prime/mana regen thingy is amazing

[civic lake]

With the build I have right now it's great #h2-builds-and-combat message

[spiral mountain]

Hera has the best one by far. Completely broken. Hestia, Zeus, Poseidon are also up there.

[civic lake]

My Ωcast is just an orbital laser

[spare kite]

Aphro's is neat if not just for weak

[spiral mountain]

Yeah, but can be kinda weak in regular rooms if you don't have cast/sprint. Great in bossfights of course.

heh, weak

[wet nova]

I think that’s the issue you’re not meant to omega charge cast

You’re meant to just place it, and then omega special

[oak falcon]

Zeus can be pretty build dependent. Losing a massive amount of max mana can brick a run if you're relying on omega moves. I love getting chaos regen the most though

[spiral mountain]

Yeah that's the whole point of the Charon Aspect

[civic lake]

I mean with the 2 duos I have it's kind of the entire point

[spiral mountain]

Then we have an issue of anti synergy. But that's how it goes sometimes

[civic lake]

Yeah it's fine, with the charon aspect I'd just go for something else

I just wanted to try this duo stacking thingy

I made the mistake of going in with no slow down on Ω though

And didn't get cost reduction from hermes

[spiral mountain]

Speaking of slowdown, I'm using the Aspect of Artemis, and I'm getting the feeling that using the slowdown Arcana is actually a mistake with that weapon

I can never parry without standing still for a solid 5 seconds

[tulip heath]

I’ve had maxed out rarity increase arcana for 10 runs now and still haven’t seen a Legendary boon what the heck

[civic lake]

It's really good if you know how to abuse it, even at 0 mana you can hold the attack button and cancel the charging with dashes to get permanent slow down

Then you don't even need to parry anymore, you dodge everything

[spiral mountain]

Ah it's one of THOSE weapons. Very excited to never properly learn how to use it.

[wet nova]

It should increase the damage just by you activating it with special but Ill test and see

[bleak night]

wtf

[civic lake]

It's entirely possible I ran into a bug tbh

[bleak night]

I tried it and yeah, it's a permanent slowdown for anything that isn't Chronos

[civic lake]

It's just one way to abuse it, the aspect of artemis is insanely strong. I had a run where I was critting for 4.5k on chronos with Ωattack

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239236504384049286/i_get_it_now.mp4?ex=6642306e&is=6640deee&hm=acfada00a84e997f1ae82a04539e74bdfd86c071ebb1ee79764550170da6edb3& funny

[civic lake]

We love walmart chiron

[spiral mountain]

Speaking of Polyphemus, I'm excited at the idea that I'll fight him one time where I won't be hit by that jumping attack. My brain just can't accept that he has a hitbox in the air.

[bleak night]

exactly this

[civic lake]

I got 2 450 cost boons, apollo and zeus right before chronos and didn't get either's mana cost/regen effects ;-;

[zenith bolt]

"she took all my boons in the divorce" -zeus, probably https://i.imgur.com/pQCcDcl.png

[civic lake]

hahahaha

[spare kite]

That duo is hilarious

[zenith bolt]

im not sure if im goated or soot sprint eats eris' bombs too

bc i dashed and prayed for iframes and managed to not eat like 90 from her giga bomb at 10%

[shrewd crater]

anyone like the hades 1 boons better than the ones here?

[spare kite]

Like in general? Not really
I miss calls/rush delivery at most

[zealous vault]

hi! i i unlocked most of the lifespring incantations but i havent found any of them along my runs, am i supposed to look for something in particular or do they just show up? not sure if im missing something

[abstract glade]

They just show up

[zealous vault]

is it a path you enter like the encounter/reward rooms or ?

[abstract glade]

Instead of getting a combat room you get a fountain instead, It's just random

[spare kite]

When you enter a room it has a chance to be a fountain instead of the combat, is like those rooms with just a million eggs

[zealous vault]

ohh okay cool

wasnt sure if it was like a hidden path that would spawn that i had to look for every level

thank you guys i appreciate it

[zenith bolt]

(not eggs, spider web cocoons)

[mossy beacon]

tips for torch? melione aspect

[civic lake]

suffer

[spare kite]

Couldn't remember the word lmao

[dusk zealot]

So Thanatos axe has anti-synergy with psychic whirlwind hammer.

If you use omega attack, it only increases crit by 1% no matter how many times it hits. Sad.

[split igloo]

if i knew the executioners chop makes it so you cant use your big chop move if you dont have magik i would NOT have grabbed that 😔

[sinful plinth]

i always start the run with torches being like "this absolutely sucks" and then i get to the end like "wtf everything dead." the key is never stop spamming, especially specials, be the bullet hell that you always wanted to be

[naive silo]

Man the Hera mana boon is so dumb on the torches

Actually the Hera mana boon is dumb in general

[mossy beacon]

become the stupid witches that spam projectiles

[sinful plinth]

even spammier! like you can literally fill the screen so hard you can't see a thing

[spiral mountain]

The spammy witch that isn't staggering any enemies. That's the big issue with the Torches. Understandable because it'd be busted, but it still feels really awkward until you get an absurd amount of damage.

[jade cairn]

I almost beaten cronos today. Just like 30% of his health in phase 2 left. What a shame. I use aphrodite boon attack on sister blade with prio on omega and backstab. I need more health.

[dusk zealot]

Aspect of Momus is utterly broken

[rocky raven]

best torch aspect?

[dusk zealot]

Moros

[mossy beacon]

how does one obtain aspects

[rocky raven]

thanks. I ll try beat cronos with a diferent weapon

[dusk zealot]

There's an incantation to do it.

[sinful plinth]

yeah i feel similarly. i don't enjoy using them but i do recognize that once they stack that damage it's just over

[jade cairn]

What boon should i be using it with? Poseidon for special?

[mossy beacon]

oh cool

[dusk zealot]

Poseidon yeah

[dusk zealot]

Honestly anything. Aphrodite, hestia, whatever.

[jade cairn]

Ill try that later, cause ive been struggling to beat cronos.

[naive silo]

One i use to beat Chronos with ease is twin blades special build

Hook knives are very effective (hammer buff)

[jade cairn]

How to use companion. I got the frog and i saw it can increase my health how to activate it

[mossy beacon]

what do the elements do?

[spare kite]

The hp increase is passive (as in, always on)

[spiral mountain]

There are infusion boons that give you an effect if you have a minimum amount of certain elements

[quick osprey]

Explosive Ambush hammer on the knives makes your omega attack use 30 magick; the exact amount needed to summon a heartthrob right in the spot you're backstabbing

[spiral mountain]

By themselves they do nothing

[naive silo]

The hermes boon that makes you strike and move faster is my mew favorite boon

It goes hard on rare and epic

[heavy flame]

I like the resist damage on sprint hermes. So crazy strong on chronos

[wispy dragon]

The Judgement card activates every time I defeat a Guardian. Does Uh-oh count as one?

[signal charm]

i ask again, is there any way to avoid getting automatically set on the express path?

[bright viper]

how do i use axe

[naive silo]

You have to go through the path to get to chronos

You can only take detours to gather extra resources

[signal charm]

yes

[naive silo]

So no you gotta take that route (at least for the time being)

[signal charm]

but sometimes i get placed on it with no choice, it just says express path set, and then i dont get to go get the extra stuff

[lone frigate]

Luck issue

[bleak night]

it doesn't, no

[heavy flame]

the extra stuff is random

[signal charm]

ah'

[naive silo]

Getting extra rooms is random ye

The only consistent one i got is the helper room

[wispy dragon]

Ah damn. Fair enough, thank you~

[barren wolf]

The axe has very strong attacks but it's slow, watch out for enemies' attack animations and strike them when they give you an opening.

You can dash in-between the attack combos so take advantage of that for positioning

The shield from the special attack has a deceptively short duration, so don't think you can just hold down the shield button and block all the attacks like the Hades 1 Aegis shield, you need to time it

[bright viper]

what are the good boons for it

[heavy flame]

Demeter is good for learning axe

[barren wolf]

I really like Hera and Apollo boons with the Axe, the Aphrodite one that buffs damage against nearby opponents is good on the attack, and daedalus hammer upgrade that makes you charge up omega attack faster is great

[spiral mountain]

The real way to use the axe is to only use Omega Attack. That's your answer.

[barren wolf]

Demeter's good too

[naive silo]

Hera is p good with Axe, Apollo makes it even larger, Heph can help you sustain hits midswings and his boons work well with it overall

[barren wolf]

Spin to win!!!

[naive silo]

Oh and Aphrodite cause you go close range, especially on the spinny spin

[barren wolf]

^^^

[spiral mountain]

Speaking of Spinning Axe, I can't believe the Hammer upgrade that makes you freely attack while spinning and the one that makes that spin move forward like a frisbee are in the same game. The first one is so much better it's not even comparable.

[naive silo]

It do be early access

Most of the stuff we got now might be fixed along the way

[rare wedge]

Honestly - I don't love spinny axe. What I do love is special Axe and it's just magical whenever I get the hammer that doubles your special

[heavy flame]

Axe attack:
Demeter is great for learning, the freeze on initial hit can help cover some mistakes on when you should be attacking. You get a few seconds to keep hitting when you otherwise would be taking damage.

Aphrodite on attack is great because all damage is going to fall under the nearby tag. Her boon also gives the highest base damage bonus.

Hera is great because it's easy to apply her curse to enemies and have them share the damage, making you a true aoe monster. Slightly weaker damage bonus compared to aphrodite, but still better than demeter.

[barren wolf]

Axe good. Basic attack axe good, special axe good, spinny axe very good

[dusk zealot]

If you're using aspect of thanatos, be careful of the first hammer that makes you freely attack while spinning. The omega attack will only add 1%to the crit no matter how many times it hits.

[bleak night]

I just like the Axe in general

@tall notch got me into using Zeus Cast Thanatos Axe, since you can crit using the Omega cast

[barren wolf]

You're so real for that, Mynt the Moonstone Axe Enjoyer

[bleak night]

you like to beyblade too ?

[heavy flame]

Combo zues ranged cast with demeter freeze and now you can freeze them while you charge omega

[barren wolf]

Its the best weapon

[bleak night]

nice

[bleak night]

ask Eris for the build, honestly, as much as I want to attempt a Cast Axe crit build rn I'm learning to play the Torches so I can stop being completly trash at it

[spiral mountain]

So I didn't know this, just haven't gotten that Hammer with the Thanatos axe yet, wasn't that long ago that I unlocked it, but honestly, the loss of the crit is still fine in comparison to being able to freely attack.

[dusk zealot]

Yeah i found out the hard way

[barren wolf]

One time I got an axe boon that makes the special hit twice with the zeus boon that gives special blitz

[dusk zealot]

I'm pretending the torches don't exist for now, until they get patched

[dawn niche]

Hestias Magick regen + poseidons sprint is literally gamebreaking imo. you can actually just run into enemies indefinitely, prush em away and make loads of damage as long as you have high enough mana

[barren wolf]

First hit inflicts blitz the second one triggers it

[dusk zealot]

How does that work against chronos

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239250525078159450/image.png?ex=66423d7d&is=6640ebfd&hm=bfc51977babfc76ee866bcb0cd3dc32baee5208763e391ebc337c0090cadf6c4 are the other 6 all Torches wtf

[dawn niche]

havent tried it yet but in theorie just running into him shoulnd be that much of an issue

[bleak night]

do I need to do 6 more Torch runs or something to 30/30

[wet nova]

Rip💀

[dusk zealot]

@bleak night Or you can just farm bones and buy nightmares

[wet nova]

My ones are torches aswell but it’s beat chronos 24 heat with torches doesn’t sound fun

[naive silo]

Today i learned the Path of stars is a minor find and Poseidon can double it

[tall notch]

The key thing about zeus build is that every lightning bolt gives you +1% crit, it's op

[wet nova]

I think pretty much everything but hammers, boons and the Selene boon are minor

[dusk zealot]

With than aspect?

[naive silo]

Yeah i assumed it counted as a boon still, apparently not

[bleak night]

I'm all maxed out on the weapons for the most part, just need a few left for ones I don't particularly use. Just trying to get the testament to max

[wet nova]

Yh that Poseidon doubling thing is still absolutely crazy

[tall notch]

Yeah. You spam omega cast zeus and can do a bunch of other stuff in the meantime too, like special drill spam, attacks or whatever you like to do with the axe

[wet nova]

Especially in last region I got a +6 lvl from it

[naive silo]

It do be
HAHA YES

[tall notch]

Or you can kite and be super safe

[barren wolf]

I havent unlocked it in the shop yet, how do you get nightmares?

[icy axle]

What arcana are you guys using for thanatos axe?

[spare kite]

The voice line for double up is pure joy

[weak wasp]

hello, quick question: do any boons that cause magick to be primed work for the purposes of the huntress arcana card? as in, does the primed magick count as spent, putting you under 100% total?

[spiral mountain]

No it doesn't

[severe ether]

Advancing Whirlwind (Shoot your omega attack forward) Is either bugged or the worst hammer for Axe. Not only can you not dash out of it or into it, it also only ticks Thanatos axe once. Feels like a deathtrap on Chronos fight

[naive silo]

You get them through the ||oath of the unseen (Pact of punishment of this game)||

[spiral mountain]

As I mentioned a bit before, it's hilarious that this hammer upgrade exists alongside the one that lets you freely attack during the spin.

[barren wolf]

Ohhh ok

[severe ether]

Oh god I didn't even think of it that way

[hushed jolt]

if u have the 2 you can just pump axes its fun

[barren wolf]

Dang its gonna take a while to upgrade my artemis aspect then

[naive silo]

I actually got the nightmares before even unlocking the aspects lol

[formal wyvern]

Yeah the hidden downside seems like really poor design, pretty sure someone made a post in the feedback channel a bit ago, hopefully it’s something they address

[dusk zealot]

Does anyone know how Hephaestus' Legendary Boon interacts with a maxed out weapon aspect?

[formal wyvern]

Has anyone done much with the Zeus/Apollo duo boon? It didn’t seem like it was working, it looked like I did the same damage with or without it

[spare kite]

The duo that lvls up keepsakes gives rank 4 keepsakes so I'll assume you get rank 6 aspects

[formal wyvern]

Oh yes you do, I just had a run where I got a level 6 aspect

[heavy flame]

Does anyone know if the same hit that applies blitz can triiger it? Say axe special omega, for example?

[spiral mountain]

Wait, it does? Haven't tried to go for that duo boon because I thought it didn't work like that. The way it's worded is weird then. "Only if possible"

[spare kite]

Yeah had Skelly's heal 126 lol

[formal wyvern]

I mean some of them might not have a level 4, or it might mean that it doesn’t work if you don’t have a keep sake

[barren wolf]

Does anyone know how to get the ||familiar incantation? I'm almost 60 runs in, already got the fountain in Erebus long ago, and still didnt trigger it. Am I missing something?||

[formal wyvern]

Like what would the god level 4 keepsakes do? Presumably they don’t get one

[civic lake]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/567163323062157375/1239254770292621312/image.png?ex=66424171&is=6640eff1&hm=efc8c3dc662b6dd4d59c660214938576f63e5377d4bec062c5c0ceac74e3834f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=315
Yeah guys Idk, I think this might be a bad boon

[shrewd crater]

so is momus one of the better aspects?

[spare kite]

Lmfao

[civic lake]

You're telling me that after I use up my mana bar 290 times, I'm gonna be fully out of mana for only 1 room?

[tawdry plinth]

What weapons have yall been liking the most... also ones you cant get into/ would change

[lime eagle]

What aspect is best on the axe if running Poseidon special spam?

[quick garden]

Losing max magick? Sounds pretty bad not gonna lie

[spare kite]

Torch begone

[civic lake]

It's really, really good yeah, with special poseidon spam and zeus chain lightning

[earnest pulsar]

Born Gain my beloved

[fresh hemlock]

I am also having this exact problem! I can see the Witch's Delight treats in my inventory but don't have the incantation or the alchemy recipe

[civic lake]

If you get aspect of momus + poiseidon special, you can clear the entire game
It's not RNG reliant at all

[final light]

have you met the ||cat|| yet?

[quick garden]

I love Lim and Oros especially with Artemis aspect, and the axe is fun too. I don’t like the torches or the skull that much

[spare kite]

For fav weapon either Pan blades or Mel axe-skull

[final light]

guys one question, is there any way to give ||hades|| nectar or is it not possible yet?

[worldly abyss]

Hey y'all - just got my first completion, super stoked!! It was on night 21 but I think I got real lucky with Phoenix Skin. Added my build notes here https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1cqbbdm/patient_builds_are_best_builds_completed_run_on/

[earnest pulsar]

||Maybe if you find Persphone and Zag it will ease him to take it no idea if its possible yet||

[trim thistle]

i wish aspect of medea didnt make you stand still to load the charge, then it would be actually pretty decent

[naive silo]

Stonks

I just won a run with that boon

Its so dumb on torches its not even funny

[spiral mountain]

It's arguably the single strongest non-legendary/duo boon in the game

[rancid inlet]

Hey quick question has anyone tried priming all of their mana? I did it with the boon Born Again with Hera and it kinda breaks the mana system completely was wondering if this is true with other prime effects?

[iron spear]

which armor breaks first if you have one from hephaestus and one from arachne any knowers?

[steel sequoia]

if you wanna have fun this is so funny, wish i had that on the long run https://postimg.cc/KKDWQHhg

[spiral mountain]

They just stack together

[naive silo]

Its the same as far as o tested, so the dress breaks

[worldly abyss]

I don't think so, Apollo's Lucid Gain does the job for me on recharging Magick

[iron spear]

so the dress effect lasts until the total armor breaks gotcha

[spiral mountain]

Requires standing in a cast and requires you to not be using any omega moves to charge. Not even close to how busted Hera's gain is.

[civic lake]

Hera's mana regen boon is good, even at common rarity and level 1

[naive silo]

Heras mana regen is the best in the game imo, aside from maybe chaos

[barren wolf]

||Yeah! I pet it||

[trim thistle]

what would be the best omega cast build? the axe cast aspect + apollo zues duo?

[heavy flame]

I got a prompt saying it wanted something, and then i got the incantation

[severe ether]

It also appeared super late for me. Did you use all the gathering tools yet? I figured it might be related and used the Spirit pacifying one once and got it a bit later. Might be coincidence

[steel sequoia]

sister blades attack and apollo cast might be the strongest

idk which has the most powerfull attack components combined, maybe Hephaestus?

[barren wolf]

Oh I didnt use that one yet! Tried all the others except it

Maybe thats it

[rugged wigeon]

||If anyone is interested, this is Chronos reaction to meeting him during your first run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR4cjiq20VM ||

[trim thistle]

is the "locate the three fates" towards the end of the game no longer able to be completed due to the game being early access or do i need to complete a super high fear run or smth to trigger it

[steel sequoia]

idk that, im into 47hs and didnt got it, just 3 statues

[trim thistle]

i guess its locked behind the future surface areas

[steel sequoia]

spoiler somehow https://postimg.cc/bDdRbCyP

also my cauldron has plenty stuff i didnt have access too so far

[jade cairn]

How does aspect of momus works? My health is half and i try the special omega but no health recovery

[steel sequoia]

u need to absorb the blast, full charged

[terse tusk]

What's the intended strat for Trial of Heartache?

[jade cairn]

how

[steel sequoia]

hold the cast till charged

[spiral mountain]

Just stand close

[prime quartz]

Is aspect of thanatos the best spin to win aspect?

[spiral mountain]

yep

[jade cairn]

alright tried it. imma do aspect of momus run next. i hope i can beat cronus finally.

[zealous vault]

does born gain only prime magick once per encounter?

[spare kite]

Multiple times

[zealous vault]

or does it continuously prime 10 and stack, i assume the former

[spiral mountain]

It keeps stacking, but it's removed after each encounter

[zealous vault]

oo so if u run out of magick too much you could prime it all away?

[spiral mountain]

Yes

[zealous vault]

gotcha thanks

[spiral mountain]

Also, it's the single best gain boon in the game. It's completely busted.

[zealous vault]

inch resting

[fossil matrix]

The fact that trying to cast a spell while OOM with born again will automatically refill your bar and let you cast it anyways makes it effectively just infinite mana

[severe oasis]

born again is so good with time slow arcana and a good hex.

[wet nova]

its the only one that means you dont have to stop attacking/specials to still regen mana (other than hephaestus one I guess)

[white badger]

Is there a predictable way that the path of stars changes based on the moon glow? On one run I had the healing “Moon water” and then an upgrade that stacked the uses with fountains if you haven’t used them up but haven’t been able to find that upgrade again even though I picked the “full moon” one just now

[spiral mountain]

Completely random as far as I can tell

[bleak night]

You have to be joking https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239264499135942787/image.png?ex=66424a81&is=6640f901&hm=c2b9a2166e2ca48d0a847587d86089e9023ed6e910a4f5b5421e1e61f397255c

I have never seen it go this high for other weapons

idm 32, but for Torches alone 16 felt so difficult for me already

[wet nova]

I have the same, it’s pain

I just haven’t bothered with it yet😭

It’s like they purposely did torches 24 fear idk why

[bleak night]

I don't think I will for a bit, the weapon is too tough for me

[wet nova]

The special not staggering makes special builds nearly useless cos don’t stagger a werewolf and you take like 100 damage

[bleak night]

Considering it's 24, I can probably just do something that doesn't restrict my ability to make a good build and see from there, but still, I think this one will reach 32 for this weapon

[civic lake]

I did the math and that's 42,195 mana per room LOL

[tired fulcrum]

I swear born gain is so op

[slim tartan]

did you find a solution? its the only trial im having trouble on, esp. when miniboss comes

[bright viper]

what are the best boons

[civic lake]

Highly depends on the weapon

[bright viper]

im on axe

[civic lake]

Axe does well with Aphrodite attack for it's high %boost, and Demeter's Ωattack boost boon, you can make a pretty good Ωattack build that way

[bright viper]

yippie

[daring breach]

Does anyone else feel like they're getting a bit boxed in to going with cast heavy builds? They just seem so good and safe at the same time since you can dash out while channeling and get boons to make them ranged even

[spare kite]

Cast builds who

[daring breach]

maybe it won't once I unlock/upgrade more aspects

[split igloo]

for the people who fight chronos with melee weapons, what points in his attacks do you use as openings
it seems like he has some new attack you can't stand close to him for every 0.5 seconds

[tired fulcrum]

Cast builds feel so much worse here speedwise

[slate zodiac]

Oh gods...

https://imgur.com/hXcd3aF

[dawn niche]

i feel like i'm more forced to pick hestia or poseidon for their mana regen boons tbh

[bleak night]

Apollo's is pretty good, too

[slate zodiac]

eh, I have the opposite issue. I think it's easier to NOT go a cast build unless I get Zeus or Hestia for a ranged cast

[dawn niche]

true, completely forgot about him

[spare kite]

Post dash/slash or a few hits in the combo of hit a bit > dodge behind > hit and repeat

Suction attack is also ez

[bleak night]

also, you think they'll upgrade Arcana cards to a 4th rank ? Circe just upgraded one of mine, so I'm unsure

[tired fulcrum]

Hera literally gets you go infinite without any downtime unless your omega is super expensive

[bleak night]

maybe the Heroic version of Arcana are meant just for her to upgrade ?

[tired fulcrum]

And omega cast is pretty cheap

I think she makes it go to heroic

[daring breach]

I think some mana regen is a must, but you can also combo hestia/poseidon casts with others

[barren wolf]

Mana regen isnt a must if you use the arcana card that regens it passively imo

[daring breach]

Yeah, I would say that fills the requirement of "some mana regen"

does feel a little slow though

[royal frost]

what are the best arcana cards to use for the "hardmode"

after we kill chronos

[split igloo]

ah, my problem was that I was using Thanatos aspect and doing decent damage with my build required me to wind up my omega attack, which left me spinning there like a sitting duck

[naive silo]

The bare minimum is the Death defiances one, the one that gives Extra HP and Mana, and then a combo of whatever you prefer

Depends on what build you want to focus on as well

[wild comet]

The last Arcana cards is perfect

the one that give you 5 more arcana cards per guardian fight

I'm doing a run with it rn lmao

[steel sequoia]

i play this and even its not the best for cast it feels so good https://postimg.cc/0zsjwzk2

[naive silo]

That one is honestly amazing
Mostly because most guardians are p simple for the time being lol

[wild comet]

I also just got the best hammer from Icarus keepsake lmao

Pure RNG run

[naive silo]

The icarus hammer is the purest form of letting god take the wheel

[oak vine]

Cant believe that thing was not buffed. Trash tier item for 650 I think. Should let you pick which to remove

[tall notch]

I'm not sure if tight deadline 3 is gonna be bearable with it

[north vortex]

When I upgraded "The Centaur" card with moon dust, it said "Activate card that use 1 magick through 5 magick"

Tho, my 1 magick arcanas still take up space?

[glossy horizon]

You wanna weave attacks with torches I figure

So get freeze or heph boon

Oh I didn't update my chat oops

[north vortex]

I have a 5 magick arcana equipped btw

[maiden dust]

torches go crazy with zeus boons you have no mana but chain lightning and the periodic lightnings will go crazy with 30 minimum damage/double strike chance

[glossy horizon]

I bet they go good with hestia for the scorch clear proc too

[maiden dust]

i had scorch in the begning but swapped later for blitz damage

[glad nova]

@split igloo saw your feedback on the argent skull, responding a bit late, you should focus on using the omega special with the skull, it is the more consistent way of making damage with it, using the main attack is more situation. It is a very powerful weapon when you rocus on the special.

[wild comet]

I just posted my win with organized victory screens if you wanna check it out

[eager dove]

I'm having trouble bein able to tell, Sorceress time slow is just a benefit to reaction time? or does it mean you are actually charging faster relative to the enemies?

[spare kite]

The activation here means to activate the centaur, you need to have cards from 1 to 5 equipped

Not that you activate those cards for free

[tired fulcrum]

The omega charge speed isnt slowed by the timeslow arcana

So youre charging faster relative to enemies yeah, until you hit chronos

[naive silo]

That might be the only exception, though you cpuld definitely still do it

[naive silo]

Sure!

[eager dove]

so it is actually an effective advantage then, oof, I'd rather just have the charge speed I find the constant timeslow really jarring

[dusk zealot]

Do you guys think Artificial is worth it?

[glossy horizon]

timeslow is kind of a supergiant staple isn't it

[dull tartan]

managed to finally slay eris, to land back to the crossroads, guess thats not here yet lol

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah itd be nice if you werent gimping charge speed by not taking it

[spare kite]

The 6* card?
Uh not really

[eager dove]

I dont mine not getting the benefit, I just wish I could get the benefit without the slow

[tired fulcrum]

Artificer isnt that great since it applies to the reward itself and not doors

[dusk zealot]

So no dark foresight in this game mm? Sad

[tired fulcrum]

If it applied to doors itd give more chances to get something useful on multi exit rooms and youd be able to use rerolls on it

Yeah its very inferior to dark foresight

[dusk zealot]

So olympian favor it is for this game huh?

[scenic saddle]

does aphrodite attack affect omega attack?

[strange kite]

i think pan aspect is high key crazy good for going fast. definitely feels faster than staff 100% but havent tried to go fast with axe or skull.

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah they even buffed favor and it works well with the rarify mechanic

[strange kite]

yes the attack boons work for both omega and non omega except when it says otherwise

[scenic saddle]

ty

[dusk zealot]

Whats the buff to favor?

[spare kite]

+50% max

[tired fulcrum]

Its now 50% not 40%

[dusk zealot]

Oh wow

[tired fulcrum]

Same with priv status

[dusk zealot]

Yeah tahst good

Still its sad we'll never see as many boons as in hades 1

[glossy horizon]

That's not entirely true, game aint finished yet

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah though they reduced god pool to 3 which somewhat helps

[spare kite]

Oh it is actually 3 gods only now

[tall notch]

I had no idea god pool is 3

[dusk zealot]

Oh wow dud not know that. Good to know!

[spare kite]

Or is like 3 olympians + selene (and hermes/chaos doing their own thing)

[tired fulcrum]

Id assume shes not counted idk

[dusk zealot]

So how did you figure out god pool is 3?

[tired fulcrum]

Well speedcord mined it and also just observation

[dusk zealot]

I see

[polar chasm]

anyone have a fun build to farm golden apples?

[deft cargo]

yall is there anything you can do against that money bag miniboss and his laser?

he tracks way too fast it cant really be evaded + he has armor so he cant be staggered for a while

[sudden belfry]

anybody else not able to reroll boons even tho they have the arcana card for it??

[glossy horizon]

golden apple farm ez just because the olympus side isn't finished yet tbh

[spare kite]

Get busted dps/take any armor stripping hammer

[polar chasm]

you might only have the location reroll equipped

[tired fulcrum]

If you stay close and dodge through the bag it it cant track you as well

[dusk zealot]

@sudden belfry you sure its not the one that rolls rooms

[glossy horizon]

Dodge thru and use freeze

[deft cargo]

thanks guys 😁

[tired fulcrum]

If youre mid distance/far away its undodgeable unless you have insane sprint speed

[sudden belfry]

hmmm...
ill have to check again lol

[polar chasm]

true, just looking for new builds cause I usually cheese out and pick the same ones

[astral flicker]

demeter freeze or burst dps really

[deft cargo]

yea i noticed that lmao it completely ate through one of my DDs

[strange kite]

i dont know what to do with all the boss materials. why cant i sell it trade it all for cocain

[spare kite]

Actually on that miniboss, do the coins do dmg or what

[deft cargo]

yea

[polar chasm]

I think so?

[glossy horizon]

they haven't added cocaine yet maybe soon

[tired fulcrum]

The coins do damage

[polar chasm]

that miniboss is so frustrating

[spare kite]

Moon powder is right there

[tired fulcrum]

So melee against the bag is kinda

[polar chasm]

yeah

[astral flicker]

charon hammer is pretty good, and if you get daddy's cast offer you can shoot it away and omega special at safe distance

[tired fulcrum]

When it decides to spam that heck out of the move

[polar chasm]

ranged attacks or casts you can throw are the only ways really

[tired fulcrum]

Like what even is the point of that move other than to waste melee users time

[glossy horizon]

or get apollo attack and your melee becomes range

[astral flicker]

makes you mad

[polar chasm]

oo I'll try out Apollo more, I love some of his boons

[deft cargo]

funny how maybe the strongest miniboss in the game is just a bag

[astral flicker]

i tried artemis dagger and it was more frustrating to beat chronos than just spam the basic staff

[polar chasm]

it is lmao. battle Chronos's greed

[strange kite]

try pan dagger with poseidon special. u will delete cerb and kronos in a minute

[polar chasm]

the surface ones are also crazy strong to me

[spare kite]

Speaking of minis, tony being named uh oh is hilarious

[strange kite]

i just had a 15 minute run with pan dagger on mid heat

[desert mountain]

Does anyone have some tips on how to handle Eris's last phase? I find it so hard to play around her full burst unload she does and it's ruined like 3 runs now. The only way I got past it was by Axe blocking or dagger teleporting

[deft cargo]

whered you get the name tony from?

[graceful dragon]

What does Hephaestus' Fine Tuning boon do?

[strange kite]

either cover or dash behind her

[spare kite]

Typo of tiny vermin made by someone in the speedrunning discord

[distant ocean]

apollo legendary on an artemist build is so good lol

[deft cargo]

tony vermin

[glossy horizon]

tony the tiny vermin is gr8 tbh

[desert mountain]

She steps in oil for so much that it's hard to do the latter, and the cover just dissapears through my bad movement to block the Hestia shots she has

[deft cargo]

i like that name

[strange kite]

uh run very far away maybe? i dont know if her gun has limited range

[astral flicker]

so it makes your aspect +1 rank

[spare kite]

Levels up your aspect by 1
If you don't have aspects unlocked it lvls up the base/melinoe aspect

[strange kite]

i hate the oil in that fight

[astral flicker]

for example you can achieve rank 6 aspect with it

[deft cargo]

this games got some jokes, really made me chuckle when narcissus said echo talked too much about herself

[astral flicker]

if it works that way

[desert mountain]

It probably does I'll just try to rely less on adrelenine and take it slow

[distant ocean]

I find it easier, but I suppose there's a certain groove you have to adapt, just being able to teleport behind chronos from just about anywhere is a huge defensive advantage for the daggers, doing it faster is only a plus

[tired fulcrum]

She jumps in near you doesnt she? The oil is around the edges so move her towards the center of the arena

[graceful dragon]

Ahhh, gotcha.
Yeah, I was confused because I don't have any Aspects unlocked.

[distant ocean]

it's not as much damage as momus tho and damage does unfortunately determine how much defense you need since bosses are really easy if they don't stand up for too long, and they're harder if they do lol

[strange kite]

her jump location is random i think

[spare kite]

Also RE: Eris
Soot sprint makes her more of a joke, or you can use frinos for cover

[glossy horizon]

one way to get her out of the oil is to just run until she's off screen, then she'll have to get close to shoot

[astral flicker]

frinos block rail?

[desert mountain]

It does yeah

[spare kite]

Frinos blocks projectiles yeah

[tired fulcrum]

Like it has to be somewhat near you since the rail has limited range

[strange kite]

i only take hestia for eris if hestia shows up naturally cuz i prefer forcing poseidon and then taking the tooth for eris

[desert mountain]

But I can't see jack in that fight with all the fire and her explosions

So I can never find Frinos

[strange kite]

her last phase is the worst. the other phases once u learn it theyre pretty chill

[astral flicker]

same, eris just keeps jumping, i want them to zoom out the camera so at least i can see what is going on

[spare kite]

I want to be able to stop the fire lmao

[desert mountain]

Lots of visual confusion in most of the fights yeah, but Eris feels like hell
My eyeballs are on fire during that fight

[astral flicker]

mel is too dumb to pour water unfortunately

[distant ocean]

hestia's a tad bit overrated for eris, why run when youcan gun

[spare kite]

Fire + the revenant pact sucks so much

[desert mountain]

I haven't tried soot dash and honestly forgot about it, does it completely null her shots?

[tired fulcrum]

Yes lol

[desert mountain]

Damn

[distant ocean]

if you're running while getting shot at

but why are you standing in front of eris to begin with

[desert mountain]

Was running Meli Flames with Hestia special. Should have picked it up then

Caving her face in

[distant ocean]

if you just stay on her butt you don't need to run away from her or pick up hestia dash

[desert mountain]

Less about her first few phases, more on her last phase

[astral flicker]

does hermes' close call refill your DD or it gives you an extra slot for DD? and is the slow working with any DD you have or only his?

[distant ocean]

she has a last phase?

[desert mountain]

A hailmary phase yeah

[spare kite]

She does one last ditch effort yeah

[desert mountain]

It's absurd

[spare kite]

Extra DD pretty sure

[tired fulcrum]

At like 5% health or something she jumps around and burst fires you

[distant ocean]

:} who knew, but ye, idk she never really pops off on me like that anymore, she's just as slow during Ω in last phase as the other phases

[astral flicker]

for a second level guardian she is pretty insane

[rustic epoch]

how do i make the torches work?

[desert mountain]

If it says "Replenish" it means it won't give you another slot

[polar chasm]

spam special and omega special. also have a good cast like demeter

[tired fulcrum]

Imo you feel pretty strong by the end of second surface biome

[astral flicker]

its "gain +1 use of DD"

[desert mountain]

Hestia on special and demeter on attack allows you to spam omega and open up some really strong boon selection

[tired fulcrum]

Like 1st biome has all gold laurels and even extra rooms

[desert mountain]

That feels vaguely worded lmao, but I would take the risk on it giving you a new one

[tired fulcrum]

Seems pretty clear then thats its an extra one

[distant ocean]

the hermes DD is an additional DD

[desert mountain]

Bless

[astral flicker]

also since it slows foes down i assume it doesnt work on chronos right

[distant ocean]

on top of the 5 you can get from your loadout

[tired fulcrum]

Prolly

Except for his minions

[desert mountain]

Damn 5?
Thought the max was 3?

[distant ocean]

3 from card 1 from cat and 1 from tooth

[trim thistle]

How do u unlock Hermes legendary

[desert mountain]

Oh haven't encountered the cat in a while

[astral flicker]

cat is 40 health tooth is 106, card is 40% flat

[spare kite]

What does lvling up cat do for the defiances, more hp recovered?

[trim thistle]

Just get rllly lucky?

[desert mountain]

Pray
and have another Hermes boon, literally any other Hermes boon

[tired fulcrum]

Up to 40 hp yeah

[distant ocean]

40 health is basically the same as 40% in most of my runs

[spare kite]

If its no longer by the erebus fountain then go to the hub area of the 2nd surface biome

[tired fulcrum]

Keep it at 30 for antler strats

[astral flicker]

yes and she can attack 3 times in a row

[distant ocean]

what unananas said

[desert mountain]

Wait wha?
Man I need to walk around that hub more

[distant ocean]

strength and antler is slept on :B

[astral flicker]

i found the cat after the sheep man

[tired fulcrum]

Assuming you can find toula wherever she ran off to

[distant ocean]

I only bring toula because fishing sucks, also cats are awesome

[tired fulcrum]

You also need to have a fish in your inventory or something to get toula to appear

Or just to have used the rod before idk

[spare kite]

Oh yeah fishing is weird here, the minigame is ???

[desert mountain]

Yeah it caught me off guard
No perfect catches in this game or is it extremely tight?

[spare kite]

The rhythm to get the bite is the same at least

[glossy horizon]

they added the mini pulling game

i much prefer that to just pressing the button

[tired fulcrum]

Idk whats with the hooked thing, is it just higher rarity

[spare kite]

I think if it does the minigame is higher rarity

[distant ocean]

the minigame is not well introduced or intuitive, one or the other has to be there for it to be good lol i shouldn't have to look up the wikipedia to figure out how to do a minigame of a minigame and even when you do know how to do it, there's the aspect of it not being cathartic at all because there's simply no incentive to do the thing really, it's a waste of time and takes too long, and it's every devs dream to have the professions feel like a fun game, but they never are lol

[astral flicker]

also when i was messing around i happened to have the aphro and apollo duo boon for the heartthrob, and with the staff i was exploding everyone by running up to them

[spare kite]

The thing is that the fish refuses to go near the circle sometimes and I just lose the fish cuz ???
Actually, feedback time lmao

[glossy horizon]

it's just fishing it's not like it's a main game mechanic lol

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah idk why that happens

[desert mountain]

Are Cat and Frinos the only familiars atm? Or is there a 3rd?

[tired fulcrum]

Looks like it

[astral flicker]

i think so, given the 2 spots on the training ground

[tired fulcrum]

Aint there a 3rd spot

[astral flicker]

4 tools 2 animal spots

i see only 6

[spare kite]

Is a pretty decent source of boons/we don't know if they'll be used for something else

[north vortex]

Wouldn't have spent the dust if that was what it did, oh well

[lethal yarrow]

Does someone know if it is intended that aspect of thanatos does NOT stack up multiple time within one Omega Attack?

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1239284784258093166/Screenshot_20240512_113501.jpg?ex=66425d65&is=66410be5&hm=e63ff8b90d6fea15610dcb4b9d458e125304c77ab1b0b08b7d213521102f3e65&

Frinos sits on this spot tho

[spare kite]

I think is a bug with the "can attack during omega attack" hammer

[glossy horizon]

They could add more circles at some point i'm sure

[strange kite]

does anyone else think that "permanently remove unselected boons" heat isn't just free heat it's literally more likely to be helpful than harmful for a lot of builds?

[astral flicker]

i missed that then yeah there would be 4 animals i assume?

[lethal yarrow]

Maybe youre right not it works for me again

[tired fulcrum]

Thats what im saying

[strange kite]

like for poseidon unless i specifically get special and slip offered at the same time, what's happening is the heat is helping me get to slip. and for zeus it's helping me get to chain lightning/ranged cast faster unless those exact 2 are offered at the same time.

[spare kite]

Yesh that vow is funny

[strange kite]

i love it. it's like how the faster enemy heat (at least the +20% one) is helpful for speedrunning

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239285570027388938/image.png?ex=66425e20&is=66410ca0&hm=02811604b7c02f1a4e5afb980077d8df7c7df014a356a208a0ed32f1f8896004 it's empty ?

[strange kite]

LUL gj on the torch clear

[bleak night]

I'm missing 2 more, so idk what they could possibly be

[warm aspen]

Are the bounty Guardians on the Testaments predetermined or random? Somehow I got Eris as a bounty for 8 Fear on 3 out of 5 weapons 💀

[spare kite]

That looks like a for me

[bleak night]

thanks, but I got really lucky with Aphro Special, Hearthrob and +1 orb on Omega Special

[bleak night]

I'll probably just 32 the other two weapons I haven't done so with yet

[astral flicker]

so the statues from skelly require you to do both underworld and surface to unlock?

[bleak night]

yeah

[spare kite]

Yeah

[strange kite]

titan's blood farming was so much easier than testaments.

[slate zodiac]

I've maxed out Momus staff, Pan blades, and Than Axe. Any other recommendations for weapons to try out?

[astral flicker]

dont know how to play rest of them either

[strange kite]

thankfully for surface the run goes pretty quick. still the enemies are very dangerous on the surface and poly is way harder on speed up than hecate or siren

[bleak night]

you know what this 28/30 glitch could have been, actually ?

[astral flicker]

the skull thingy looks messy but you can get a aspect thats like bullrush without the shield

[digital rampart]

Does mini bosses increase your chances of getting a legendery boon that I don't think there a card that increase it yet

[spare kite]

The barrel enemies in the 2nd surface biome are a menace

[bleak night]

Some of the Chaos Trials dropped Nightmare for me for some reason, but I wasn't able to pick it up, it whisked me away

[strange kite]

barrel enemies are the biggest pain in the ass

[bleak night]

that might be it ?

[slate zodiac]

oh so you maybe lost 2 nightmare to that

[spare kite]

If it's anything like the 1st game it actually should decrease the odds for legendaries/duos

But not sure

[strange kite]

and the harpies hitbox are just !@#$

[bleak night]

so is my thing just bugged because of that ?

[hollow stag]

I think I can take on Chronos on the 2nd night.

• Epic Poseidon Special
• Double Moonshot Hammer
• Epic Hestia Soot Sprint
• Rare Apollo Perfect Image
• 1 Death Defiance

Can probably make this run happen.

Should I take down Chronos despite Eris warning me that I’m far in the game?

[spare kite]

I've seen others mention this so yeah I think you just lost it

[slate zodiac]

Mayhaps. Submit a report to the devs

[strange kite]

if u can do it then do it.

[astral flicker]

wait is eris supposed to stop you from progressing?

[spare kite]

Yup

[strange kite]

everybody wants to see an early kronos clear

[astral flicker]

thats ass

[slate zodiac]

Eris is just there to be an annoyance. Go for it

[bleak night]

Kinda sucks that it'll never be 30/30 then in that case, but I can just ignore it ig ?

[hollow stag]

She’s there so we don’t bug the game from low deaths.

There are certain cutscenes that show up after some deaths.

[slate zodiac]

Maybe they'll release a patch to fix it

[bleak night]

hopefully so lol

I'll do a 24 heat Sister Blades and see if it does anything

[strange kite]

any pre 11 clear is impressive but a pre 4 clear is absolutely bonkers.

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/e3NN0PZ

has anyone considered this for "no healing" runs?

It seems great for those ngl

[strange kite]

probably right? i think lots of people like that in combination with antler

i could never. i enjoy face tanking too much

i just keep getting hit over and over by everything lul

omg one heat 32 run i did today i dash counter clockwise into the clock hands like multiple times and died.

[slate zodiac]

Tanking beocmes a lot harder on higher fears

unless Coarse Grit I suppose

[strange kite]

i mean high heat is why i tank

cuz +40% speed

[slate zodiac]

I'm gonna try 32 fear runs later, I've been playing for 4 hours today

I need to touch grass

[sudden belfry]

best boons for skull? (mel aspect)

[strange kite]

i just dont take the +damage heat except the first hit one because i dont want to multiply the damage from speedy enemies with additiona adamage on every hit.

i try to dodge but it's really hard when kronos is fast af

[tame mulch]

is there anything that gives one more dash like the first game?

[distant ocean]

escalating ambush resets for every encounter right?

[distant ocean]

good for most runs, replaces regen just fine in my experience

[tribal arrow]

Managed to complete an 8 fear run for both underworld and surface side but haven't recieved the first statue yet. Am I missing something? I remember someone before telling me that to unlock the statues you just have to complete certain fear thresholds for both surface and underworld, and that you don't need a dialogue event from skelly to inform you about them at all.

[shy summit]

I tried Poseidon attack/special on a few fast weapons recently - I've def been sleeping on Poseidon

[tough vapor]

I love hellsplitter axe upgrade like no other, especially with aphrodite attack, got epic lvl+3 aphro attack and was doing 800 dmg per attack to polythemus and cleared him so easy

[spare kite]

Correct

[shy summit]

big chop

[paper pike]

hey so ive spent quite some time in a game already but i still dont have the option to alter my aspects, can someone tell me when can i unlock them? (i dont really mind the spoilers btw)

[paper hemlock]

Do you have the incantation to unlock aspects available in the cauldron or not?

[paper pike]

i dont, thats why im asking, when can i unlock that incantation? i mean when will it show up

[distant ocean]

boooo.

[nova dune]

It unlocks after Hecate dialogue, maybe try beating her with all the weapons

[spare kite]

I think you need to have fought Hec with all weapons (or have her mention them)

[paper hemlock]

I heard someone saying that you need to do stuff on the surface for aspects

[paper pike]

okay i guess ill try that

[paper hemlock]

being with all weapons is definitely not it because I had them well before I ever played a run with the skull

[paper pike]

alright thank you

[paper hemlock]

could be the other first 4 weapons but idk

[south elm]

I need 2 more water element for a boon to activate and I've alreay used poseidons keepsake. Which keepsake might get me water element?

[spare kite]

Dem has some water stuff iirc?

Or aphro

[prisma wharf]

Ok im close to kronos, and i have a question about life tax. || it says restore health for 1% until the limit. It means 100 is that limit right? Or does it mean my max health cause if it stays with me that would be amazing||

[south elm]

I was thinking dem but that info isn't avail online afaik. I'll go demeter then ig

[modest finch]

how does artemis parry work?

[shy summit]

you can heal up to 100 hp from attacking then you lose the boon. it doesn't affect max hp

[prisma wharf]

😭

[shy summit]

it's essentially a free 100 health though. a good take in most cases

[prisma wharf]

Yeaaah

Ok, should i tske extra damage dealt with my two death defiances are take 100 hp

Its 10% increase

[desert mountain]

Just reached Eris again, can confirm staying in the center does not bait her to not go to the edge

[bleak night]

uhh https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239291534281674752/image.png?ex=664263ae&is=6641122e&hm=79bdfb3d57a76e5f4baf25cb4c39488ca511c814700d4909ed2314c8b1c13aea

I think she did something to Echo

[grim vessel]

in her dialogue she say she scared her off 😭😭

[prisma wharf]

Lol

[shy summit]

there is no echo. give me -18 ❤️

actually i dont remember what nem does in this chamber location

[wild cloak]

I think she gives a death defiance back

[thick knoll]

what you all think are the best arcana to use every run?

[edgy anchor]

does double moonshot make my special proc volcanic flourish 2 times?

[shy summit]

I believe it just adds a second projectile every time you fire

so it would probably only proc the first one... can't hurt to check

[wild cloak]

What's volc flourish again?

[spare kite]

Heph's special

[wild cloak]

Absolutely not

[tiny oasis]

+1 death defiance, higher chance of a rare/epic boon, and +20 HP/magic

[shy summit]

death defiance and rare/epic boon cards feel like ones you should take every time

[wild cloak]

Heph boons have a cool down, it doesn't proc in the second (Staff double hit didn't proc it twice)

[sacred lotus]

Should I use fully upgraded knuckle bones or luckier tooth for final battle

[desert mountain]

I work better with an extra life, but I think there is a case to be made for less damage taken being better

[sacred lotus]

[shy summit]

if you die in phase 2 more often from one-shots then the tooth might make sense

[wild cloak]

Depends on max health imo

[sacred lotus]

I have 3 death defiances already and I haven’t beaten big boss yet 😭 I only got to phase 2 once

My max health rn is 268

[desert mountain]

Oh Knuckle bones all the way then lmao

[wild cloak]

Knuckle bones lmao

[desert mountain]

3 DD and 200 hp

[sacred lotus]

hopefully this is the fight I get farther

[desert mountain]

Death to Chronos!

[shy summit]

I can still barely beat that man
memorizing attack patterns feels like more of a factor this time around

especially with stuff like the triple dash attack

[sacred lotus]

The triple dash gets me so often tbh

[shy summit]

it's unreactable

[desert mountain]

Oh for sure, I'm so sad that there is no Arcana to enable backstabs cause it's basically the best place to be whenever you're dodging his attacks

[wild cloak]

Yep (though on my winning run I managed to not use a dd)

[thick knoll]

hope for the future

[shy summit]

mfw boomerang move hits you anyway

[thick knoll]

also doesnt one of the knife aspects do that?

[desert mountain]

Skill issue innit 😔

[wild cloak]

My main issue with Chronos is the orb circle he summons (mainly the dash afterwards)

[desert mountain]

The time stop area?

[gritty oasis]

Apollo boon or aphrodite boon for thanatos early upgrade?

[shy summit]

yeah you have to time your dash pretty well or have a way of deleting his projectiles

[desert mountain]

Aphro for Beeeeeg numbers

[civic ocean]

Is it just me or when Hecate splits does she always turn into the one farthest away from you when they spawn in

[spare kite]

My main catch with Chronos is that I forget he attacks during the phase changes lmao

[wild cloak]

Him summoning the projectiles around him and then dashing

[desert mountain]

Ah, understandable. I just bait him to a wall and make him delete all of them
That or Frog

[wild cloak]

My only hope is just tanking a hit and having him stand next to a wall

[gritty oasis]

his dash is even delayed with that attack and i always get hit mistiming my dash

[desert mountain]

You guys could just walk away from him and he'll just walk into the wall himself

[spare kite]

From my insanity during the tech test to test this, no.
There are 2 tells
Audio with headphones you'll hear the real one
Visual tell you can see the real Hec either attack first or the clones will first attack then Hec last

[civic ocean]

Oh okay thanks I must be imagining things

[wild cloak]

Phase two is also annoying cause you can get caught with really bad instakill rng

[desert mountain]

It does tend to be the furthest, but yeah it's not always

[desert mountain]

THE WORST RNG SOMETIMES

[shy summit]

I've only ever been hit by the instakill moves twice

[rare wedge]

Having some faith that this might be the run I take out Chronos - Running Pan Dagger + Aphrodite Cast (that draws enemies into Cast) + 2 Chaos Boons that increase Special damage by 60 and 74% + Hammer Boon that makes 16 Daggers

[shy summit]

built different

[spare kite]

I hate the adds during phase 2 so much

[desert mountain]

That's 2 times too many 😔

[wild cloak]

My second attempt fighting him I lost it cause he summoned minions and the circle was on the opposite side of the map 💀

[desert mountain]

me too buddy 😔

[shy summit]

time freezing bombs are the most devious enemy ever conceived

[wild cloak]

Same (the first time was me not knowing him summoning the circle was an instakill, I went into the entire game blind......)

[desert mountain]

Still think those serpents at oceanus are the worst thing

[shy summit]

you mean the projectile spitting guys?

[strange kite]

does anybody have any advice for farming cocaine dust?

[grand prism]

That's my #2, #1 are the yellow shades in the fields that suck you in.

[desert mountain]

Charon or Breaking Bad it
Bones are also pretty useful

[civic ocean]

I feel like Chronos would be a lot easier to beat if the 2nd phase battlefield was a different colour than him and all of his moves

[shy summit]

just save up for charon (preferred) or use the cauldron recipes for it (a little wasteful)

[wild cloak]

The real worst enemy is the Erebus miniboss that darkens the area

[civic ocean]

Like imagine 2nd Phase Hades the jars were the same colour as the snow

[open pawn]

I still don’t have the option to gift ||Eris||, and just assuming I’ll eventually be able to gift ||Hades||. I’m over 40 hours in and I don’t know why I can’t gift either after multiple wins/clears.

[strange kite]

here's my hint: be agressive. be confident. dodge behind the swing. but first just dash through and take out the adds so they dont bother you.

[shy summit]

the safest way to win is to just dash out of the darkness zone when the tail swipe attack is coming

[strange kite]

it's always swing and then slam. the swing telegraph blends with the turn so be careful and dodge a bit sooner

[shell swan]

That one is easy to cheese with most weapons

[wild cloak]

2nd phase really is not that bad tbh.......

[civic ocean]

Oh really I feel the opposite, first phase you can just run away from him

[spare kite]

Grandpa himself is fine, the adds are the pain

[shell swan]

Although you can’t really play it safe if you do lvl 2 or 3 timer fear

[gritty oasis]

your opinion will change until you face a full room full of shielded purple skulls in a mid fear run

[gritty oasis]

imo 2nd phase is easier than 1st

[desert mountain]

My colorblind butt can't see jack for a lot of fights

[shy summit]

similar to Hades 1
more dangerous but also more predictable

[wild cloak]

Those skulls are a pain in a regular run, don't even wanna think about mid fear runs

[civic ocean]

Yeah phase 1 granpda it feels a lot easier to read and avoid him

[spare kite]

Imagine the skulls if we get a bp2 equivalent

[civic ocean]

phase 2 a lot of his windups are less avoidable because there are like 16 hitboxes on the screen at once

[shy summit]

what is bp2 again

[wild cloak]

Also, wth does the clock attack even do

[gritty oasis]

his attack pool became so diluted when most of his 2nd phase attacks are readable

[spare kite]

Armored enemies get extra perks

[shy summit]

oh that one

[desert mountain]

Benefits program, a heat pact from the first game

[gritty oasis]

we get less and less chances of him doing dashes and the spinning attack

[desert mountain]

Imagine he does the succ attack when he spawns like time ads

[civic ocean]

I want him to do the instakill and the vortex tho, those moves are the "hit me" moves with at least half the weapons

[shy summit]

this has happened to me :(

[wild cloak]

Bring back my Heightened Security please.......

[shrewd crater]

whats the best weapon + boon selection choices if i just want to be done with chronos?

[wild cloak]

This has also happened to me

[desert mountain]

There are quite a few, so pick a weapon and we'll give you one

[civic ocean]

staff special poseidon boons are a free win atm

[shrewd crater]

i tried and felt like damage was lacking

[gritty oasis]

staff of momos, poseidon boons with a special focused build

[shrewd crater]

why momos?

[shy summit]

I don't think so honestly!
Damage is still pretty low. Not a free win by any means unless you get lucky with boons

[sacred lotus]

I have somehow gotten to the final boss without using any of my 3 DDs and am max health at 274 I hate how || you can’t pause during the fight || because I would be doing it a lot for advice

[wild cloak]

Staff Aspect of Melinoe with Zeus Cast destroys everything

[gritty oasis]

because momos increase specials

[shrewd crater]

also idk if im misunderstanding momos, but it wasnt healing me vs chronos

[desert mountain]

I feel like the most braindead one for me was my face tank Hearty Appetite build

[shrewd crater]

only when i hit normal enemies

[civic ocean]

it only works when it hits you

[bleak night]

guessing the 2 missing testament is a bug after all ?

[shrewd crater]

i need to be in the radius of the attack?

[shy summit]

Upgraded momos staff is probably what makes staff special spam more viable

[civic ocean]

and the point of the aspect isnt to use the omega move

[gritty oasis]

the crux of your dps is a daedalus upgrade tho

[shrewd crater]

oh, spam special?

[gritty oasis]

pretty annoying if you can't get double shot and homing upgrade with that build

[wild cloak]

The best part about the Zeus Cast is that you don't have to pom it :3

[keen cosmos]

thoughts on Aspect of Medea? so far playing with it reminds me of Aspect of Beowulf from Hades 1

[gritty oasis]

damage potential just cuts in half

[civic ocean]

Turn on Huntress card, turn off your mana regen, use a bit of mana at the start of the fight and then just press the special button until every dies, using your cast for spacing

[shy summit]

staff special spam is not a surefire success but it can work

[civic ocean]

at 0 fear that should win easily

[slow bone]

alright build chat I am very not good at this game, what are some general tips aside from "just dodge better" Game hasnt clicked for me

[shrewd crater]

cool, with momos?

[civic ocean]

yes, can be done with any staff but momus is easiest

[shrewd crater]

how do i turn off mana regen

[gritty oasis]

it is, you arent tied down to casting with magick so you can change up your arcanas and fear meters around that build. not to mention how safe you are from attacking stuff from a range

[keen cosmos]

tbh with non-momus staff I feel like building around Omega Attack is the best option, its so powerful when you get it going

[shrewd crater]

and by press you mean regular special, not omega. what boons should i aim for?

[civic ocean]

Slow down.

If you came from Hades 1 you're going to be used to going in hard and twitch dodging attacks, but Hades 2 is more about precision, spacing, and range

[gritty oasis]

the problem is the dps if you're lucky or not

[civic ocean]

do you have Origination unlocked?

[shy summit]

also use cast like pretty much all the time

[shrewd crater]

uhh maybe if you describe what it is

[slow bone]

I feared that, smh. It really is destroying me on chronos

[civic ocean]

The card that makes enemies take more damage if you have 2 statuses on them

[gritty oasis]

if you can get cast that you can place anywhere, its such a good upgrade

[desert mountain]

Is it just me or is this just really not that great?
https://i.imgur.com/Zs0MCYL.png

[sacred lotus]

I GOT PAST PHASE 1

[desert mountain]

JUST KEEP PUSHIN BUDDY

[prisma wharf]

I cant seem to get past Kronos 1st phase, his attacks look the same like the boomerang and the regular attack ugh

[shy summit]

it's really hard to make this work

also... it's every 2.5 seconds for 50% of your attack. very undertuned

[desert mountain]

Feels like Lucifer all over again

[spare kite]

Lightning rod but bad

[civic ocean]

This is missing the text on aspect of Melinoe that should read "your Skulls don't auto-return to you"

[shrewd crater]

yep i should have it

[ember gale]

its pretty decent if you get the extra skulls boon

bonus points if you get a targetable cast

[shell swan]

Instead of dashing away and getting hit by boomerang, if you are close enough to chronos you can dodge both as well as chronos’ dash by just dashing behind chronos if you are very close to chronos

[wind lake]

eris gets countered by so much its not even funny

[ember gale]

btw I just wanna confirm: The Axe is like, comically OP right?

[civic ocean]

Then I would go Posiedon->Hestia->Demeter, though any of those two plus Poseidon is fine.

You're looking for:

Poseidon: Special, Slip

Hestia: Ranged Cast, Sprint

Demeter: Casts Freeze, Casts Cyclone

[sacred lotus]

I THINK I DID IT ??

[wind lake]

axe isnt op op, its just a good weapon.

not an instant win like some combos

[keen cosmos]

Honestly I'm not super jazzed by the Skull as a whole, though it might just be a playstyle thing. I'm messing around with Aspect of Medea some and its fun

[civic ocean]

You can take the duo boon between Poseidon and Hestia as well if you want but it isnt necessary

[ember gale]

I just have such an easy time against Chronos with the axe, basically every time

[gritty oasis]

always dash sideways, works for the slash, boomerang, and dash

[shy summit]

every weapon can be an instant win but i think good axe builds are easier to come by

[sacred lotus]

The windup it takes to become impervious because of the hex is so annoying of damage you get

[desert mountain]

Skull's great. I love the Omega attack just being an airstrike

[gritty oasis]

more preferably towards the side he has the scythe on

[wind lake]

hugging chronos is just good, and the axe forces you to hug chronos

[ember gale]

what

[tiny oasis]

I cant use any other weapon other than the axe, everything else feels horrible to use

[wind lake]

same with sister blades

hug as in stay close

[ember gale]

I have never hugged chronos with the axe

[wind lake]

alot of his attacks have trouble hitting you if you dash behind him

[ember gale]

I just use the range he cant do anything about it

[gritty oasis]

sister blades counter the succ attack too

[desert mountain]

I am once again asking for a backstab Arcana please

[wind lake]

there is a backstab boon

[civic ocean]

That's on Apollo ye

[astral flicker]

axe omega attack is some of the worst ive seen

[keen cosmos]

I think its mainly just the ammo system, if I use range I prefer to stay at range rather than having to run in to get my attack back

[wind lake]

apollo procs backstab with daze

[ember gale]

I lost a grand total of 60HP on fear 16 and Chronos wasnt even in my top damage list at the end

[shy summit]

btw I am once again advocating for torches
they can be really great - imagine if your axe spins lasted longer and you had the move+attack during spin hammer on by default

that's essentially the omega special on torches

[ember gale]

sucks by default, is actually really good with apollo's range buff

[bleak night]

has anyone seen Prowess and Finesse from Chaos' boons ? My boon list from the Night Book doesn't have them listed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239300527410647131/image.png?ex=66426c0e&is=66411a8e&hm=ce9277eaf44dc1100103970024dd2b8baf242711ff953e17d438fd7f3056e3b0

[wind lake]

does pitiful damage though without huge investment

[gritty oasis]

criting for 500 on the axe just feels good

[shy summit]

axe spin is an excellent room clearer tho

[desert mountain]

It's a very, "not" ranged weapon as I felt it promoted a "Unload Explosive Nuke" at pointblank playstyle for me, But I agree it definitely feels weird if considered ranged

[wind lake]

skull is probably my least favorite right now, but also my least usrd

[astral flicker]

charon axe with the exploding cast feels better

and you dont have to run in for it

[shy summit]

skull is similar to torches in that you should really be using the special more than the attack

[wind lake]

Im a chaos simp let me check my boon list

[ember gale]

Neither does mine

[shy summit]

it's the shield bull rush but somehow even better!

[gritty oasis]

skull omega special with hearthrob boons

[bleak night]

I only see Defiance left there for my missing ones, and it's the really rare one

[astral flicker]

skull medea can charge your attack like you do in hades 1 with beowulf

and omega special

[shy summit]

i'm fairly certain medea skull is the best one but we'll see

[astral flicker]

i feel like thats probably better for the limited ammo

[gritty oasis]

each dash you do and the enemy just takes at minimum 1.5k

[desert mountain]

Well I'll be damned, I can't see them either

[ember gale]

I dont like the torches even though they can be good because Ive only made one tactic work and thats omega special spam

[wind lake]

huh yeah

[shy summit]

the path to victory is somewhat linear
you can also spam regular special and it works great

[wind lake]

exactly the same as yours actually, and i drink chaos every match almost atleast once, last run i had four chaos boons lmao

[astral flicker]

get the apollo aphro duo as well, you get bubbles all over you

[severe furnace]

my last skull run was with medea, the hammer that loads all of them with one click, and the hammer that gives +2 skulls with heroic aphrodite attack ... it was glorious

[wind lake]

seems like these are unobtainable atm?

[keen cosmos]

doing aspect of Medea, I got Hera on special and am trying to get Aphrodite on attack

[heavy flame]

I just did my first charon axe run. So much easier than spinning.

[bleak night]

might be an oversight, I guess

[astral flicker]

yeah charon axe is pretty consistent

[wet nova]

try run the keepsake maybe they are keepsake only?

[ember gale]

Hmmm I remember having more details of my prior runs in Hades 1, bit annoying how I cant see everything at the Sage

[astral flicker]

you clean rooms decently fast and you have a flat high dmg output

[heavy flame]

Charon with apollo special and aphro cast is really easy.

[wet nova]

oh wait you said its not on the boon list nvm, just thought you never got it at all

[bleak night]

the boon list doesn't say they exist is all, and they usually have everything there, even the ones you never saw before

[wind lake]

also i hate how dodge and duo arcana are exclusive to each other, the dodge arcana would be perfect to fulfill the 5 in a row required the epic bonus boons

[wet nova]

the more I play higher heat the more I come to like hephaestus

[shell swan]

I think they renamed those 2 chaos boons and forgot to change the fated list so now it’s bugged

[severe furnace]

I like charon axe for the underworld but I hate fighting the cyclops with it

[wet nova]

he has really good boons for high fears, like the armor prime thing helps since its effectively a free 15-20 shield every room, and the impervious thing is even more crazy

[gritty oasis]

shield reduction and free aoe feels nice

[ember gale]

use judgement and trust in the rng

[wet nova]

whats the free aoe?

[shy summit]

im not a big fan of the new arcana system tbh

[keen cosmos]

Hesphaestus' defensive boons are so good its hard not to take him every run

[wind lake]

[wet nova]

Im the opposite, its one of the best changes because every run could be different with the arcana system unlike hades 1 where you usually keep the same mirror throughout

[shell swan]

I always just go for dodge boon and 1st row

[shy summit]

just let me use the abilities without playing picross

[waxen cobalt]

I’m not a fan of his offensive stuff at all though. Prolly my least favorite cuz of it

[wind lake]

i just like the guarenteed duo boon per run, plus having most boons be rare is super nice, dodging is just meh for me

[keen cosmos]

agreed there I never take his slot-in boons

[wet nova]

Arcana rn feels restrictive for the dodge and duo one for me thats it the rest arent so bad

[ember gale]

Does anyone have the experience of gold having this runaway effect when you get a single bonus gold boon

[gritty oasis]

pretty much all of the atk, special, cast, and sprint. if you have sister blades you can do a hit and run type of playstyle

[gritty oasis]

slow but surfire tho

[wet nova]

thing with hit and run is you need a lot of poms to make it worth

[wind lake]

i take the rarity arcana to lessen the rng and dodging is reliant on rng

plus why dodge when can dash!

[outer rock]

Spiral Knives with Aspect of Pan is so broken

[plucky coral]

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[wet nova]

dodge chance also doesnt equal damage aswell whereas rarity does

[outer rock]

I did like 4k dmg in 1 use 💀

[wind lake]

combined with faster channeling, dear god

[keen cosmos]

I ended up dropping the Duo card so I can get the Epic rarity card, since its hard to have both

[wet nova]

yh thats definitely gonna get a nerf I can feel it

[keen cosmos]

dodge chance is helpful occasionally

[outer rock]

I made a glass cannon build with White Antler keepsake and did absolutely insane dmg

[wind lake]

i need to upgrade white antler

[outer rock]

beat cronos 2nd phase in like 3 special uses lol

[astral flicker]

btw does chrono have a 3rd phase with fears?

[cerulean atlas]

what does this Milanoe Axe do? Recovery speed? whats that? regen?

[astral flicker]

less cooldown between swinging?

[wind lake]

how fast after you attack you can attack again

[gritty oasis]

you do your attacks in quicker succession

[wet nova]

no extreme measures in the game yet

[spare kite]

We don't have extreme measures

[cerulean atlas]

so attack speed?

[wet nova]

would make doing high fears easier tbh, we missing a lot of hades 1 stuff

[gritty oasis]

pretty much

[keen cosmos]

I hope we get it later on, these bosses would be pretty cool with EM

Hecate extreme measures 👀

[cerulean atlas]

i see, aight aight

[keen cosmos]

just for the story alone would be fun

[wind lake]

aw i love seeing apollo as my first boon on an axe run

[spare kite]

She took ages to add even a new move to her kit lmao, can't wait

[wet nova]

Feel like shed be using her hounds since she speaks about them often

[shy summit]

I really like that they added some elements of RNG to bosses 1 and 2

[tiny oasis]

Why does Hecate sometimes use a spinning laser attack, is there smth that triggers it or does it just happen?

[shy summit]

I hope this trend continues into EM

[spare kite]

Is triggered by a convo yeah, after that is just added to her kit

[wet nova]

wdym rng?

[keen cosmos]

part of me hopes Hecate extreme measures is harder than Scylla and Cerberus just because it would make sense, with the witch goddess going full strength against you

would probably be screwed up balance wise though

[shy summit]

the boss's moveset changes depending on RNG
Hecate's hex and Scylla's featured artist

[spare kite]

EM scylla should just add a new band member