h2-builds-and-combat

[distant ocean]

and she has a way to throw her cast in addition to adding a curse

[undone hemlock]

Demeter is just such a solid option for me, though my playstyle isn't everyone's tbh.

It's pretty much my fallback on any weapon, and it's my favorite magic recovery boon in the game atm.

[raven yew]

currently using medea rn

[tropic cargo]

oh yeah it absolutly destroys him

[stoic ridge]

medea feels harder to use for me but thats just me, i do like hephestus on special for medea tho just for that extra burst damage

[distant ocean]

I'm starting to favor poseidon's gain a little bit more since it's not dependent on stopping. in regards to using Ω i mean

and it has options, if you want to stay low mana and getm ore use out of hunter on basic attacks bababooey just don't pick up orbs lol

[tiny goblet]

Omega right or left click?

Im starting to try out sickle and daggers builds rn but havent gotten that far so im curious

[raven yew]

omg skulls is soo hardd

[distant ocean]

both are good, and with either weapon, really

Aspect of Artemis and Pan have nearly identical Ω special output when riposte is procced

[glad nova]

Can you give Echo a gift eventually, or she doesnt have a keepsake for now?

[tropic cargo]

left

esp on aspekt of artemis

[distant ocean]

and throwing all your chips into skulking +explosion ambush is great damage aswell

[lunar valley]

Should be able to gift her next time you visit her

[tropic cargo]

she has one

[tiny goblet]

She has one, and a very good one. U need to go back and gift her after u take a boon from her

[tropic cargo]

aspekt of artemis is rly broken prob easyies wins I ve had

[tiny goblet]

As in, accept a boon, and immediately double back and talk to her again

[glad nova]

ooo, thats cool. Ill try it, thanks!

[distant ocean]

aspect of artemis is very safe

[tropic cargo]

and nukes bosses

[distant ocean]

yep, 50% crit chance is pretttty good

[tropic cargo]

last run I was hitting for 5k

[distant ocean]

all while making your teleport twice as fast

[tropic cargo]

yep

I ve maxed the aspekt

[distant ocean]

it's so fun to play, it was myfirst max aswell

[tropic cargo]

I maxed default staff first

[orchid fog]

am I the only one who thinks it would be clever to have Toula attack rat enemies without triggering her manually?

[tropic cargo]

bc it doesnt need nightmare

[distant ocean]

I played flicker strike in like 12 PoE leagues lol so it was probably fated that I went with the weapon that let me zip around

i'm a real teleports behind you kinda guy know what I mean?

[tropic cargo]

that would be pretty funny

[maiden perch]

anyone know of a decent god to start with for the ardent skull once you unlock it

[junior aspen]

do you guys got tips on the Eris fight or the chronos?

[tropic cargo]

if u get the backstab hammer plus the overcharge hammer its koever

[orchid fog]

I like using Poseidon. SKULL SPLASH

[maiden perch]

ok cool thanks

[orchid fog]

I would like to preface these opinions are not presented by a professional.

[distant ocean]

they just like skull splash 🙂

[orchid fog]

indeed

I had an excellent run

[distant ocean]

make it happen developers

[orchid fog]

Made it to Infernal Beast for the first time, beat him first time, AND made it all the way to the Chronos fight.

[distant ocean]

toula should also ohko uh-oh

[orchid fog]

Died halfway through his first health bar.

I KNOW he's gonna rewind into a second phase if I clear his first bar. It's too obvious.

[dark whale]

their attacks are fast, but still dodgeable. just learn the patterns

[fresh sable]

been grinding away a bit, but i feel like im not really making a ton of progress I keep dying to the trio. Is there anything I can look at to see what I might be doing wrong, or maybe I am missing some upgrade that I overlooked? I am rockin 22 grasp and have those filled up, using various weapons, trying to get my max life to 100ish

[orchid fog]

Is Eris hte boss of the Third surface zone?

[dark whale]

gotta dodge man

[orchid fog]

cuz that's the only boss I haven't seen so far I think

wait... (counts in head)

[glad nova]

second

[orchid fog]

I don't think I made it past the boats yeah

[glad nova]

She is at the end of the boats, yeah

[distant ocean]

what they said, patterns, fail alot, fail in all the ways, learn every single way to fail, then just don't anymore.

[orchid fog]

Polytheamus really messed me up. I have trouble with his fight for some reason.

[tropic cargo]

theres nothing past the boats

[glad nova]

The giant squid is not a boss, weirdly enough

[silver oriole]

have people had good times with aspect of charon? i'm skeptical

[orchid fog]

oh I thought there were three surface zones. I guess there's only two.

[silver oriole]

surface ends so fast yeah

[glad nova]

For now. Confirmed at least 3, but will probably go for 4 too

[topaz peak]

It’s not finished yet

[distant ocean]

it's neat but it's not a ton of crit chance neat, and ww appeals more to me

[orchid fog]

Oh so we KNOW there will at least be be three surface zones, not that three are already implemented.

[glad nova]

yeh

[tropic cargo]

roadmap

[orchid fog]

I schnee

So I've been holding off on giving bath salts to male members of the crossroads.

[topaz peak]

For eris just get hestia dash and then it’s a cheese

[orchid fog]

In fact... out of everybody I've asked... only Dora said yes 😭

[keen salmon]

I find that using Zeus's Cast in combination with Divine Lance does an enormous amount of work with every boss in the game, if anyone would like to try to ensure some boss killing.

[junior aspen]

i knew there was a great use for that boon I just couldn't find the fight, lol

[topaz peak]

I believe you have to get them to a certain heart level

[orchid fog]

Figures. Still, part of me refuses to ask Odysseus or Moros to the baths anyways

[tropic cargo]

ye u even go bath with some charackter multiple times

[glad nova]

usually you gift the salt baths to increase to the third heart

[junior aspen]

the book of shadows gives you hints on what to gift people

[topaz peak]

Odysseys bath scene is pretty solid imo

[glad nova]

Dora's seems to be the exception

[topaz peak]

I love what they did with mels art for the bath

[junior aspen]

mine so far is hecate's

[topaz peak]

I need to fish with odysseus but that requires grinding the surface and i want to beat chronos first

[sturdy fossil]

Good builds with the staff?

[dark whale]

jesus christ the first time i encounter the surface boss champion of chronos he takes all 3 of my death defiances that is horribly overtuned

[orchid fog]

So uh... I tried to pause cuz my brother called me during the Chronos fight.

[topaz peak]

Aspect of momus in think it is and Poseidon spam

And 3 hit omega attack hammer

[soft wadi]

What’s your guys opinion on this games builds compared to the first? I kind feel like there’s more freedom for creativity

[topaz peak]

That one is pretty much essential

[radiant river]

A funny build is having Ardent skull, the ohm punishment from Chaos (every ohm attack deals damage to yourself) and the Daedalus upgrade where every time you pick up an Argent skull it unleashes the ohm attack. You watch your health explode because every time you pick up the skull you deal damage to yourself

[topaz peak]

I feel like it kinda depends on the hammer a bit

[junior aspen]

i saw stuff about that on the steam discussion pages

[topaz peak]

But yeah

[spare kite]

gotta alt + tab for this (or kill him 3 times)

[topaz peak]

Wait what happens

[radiant river]

he unpauses lol

[spare kite]

chronos says nuh uh and unpauses

[topaz peak]

Oh

[radiant river]

unless you have a certain boon, then he gets mad at you but the game is still paused

[soft wadi]

Honestly I really don’t like that he unpauses lol

[topaz peak]

Makes sense kinda in a thematic way

[soft wadi]

I had such a bad itch during the Chronos fight

[spare kite]

is not a boon, an incantation (requires 3 kills at least)

[soft wadi]

Oh lit i didn’t know that

[radiant river]

you can pause it up until his health bar appears and the intro camera pan happens

oh yeah, incantation i meant lol

[soft wadi]

I mean if there’s an incantation for it I’ll just grind for it

[spare kite]

but yeah if you need to pause pre-incantation need to alt tab lol

[orchid fog]

I have it off on my arcana, but does he allow you to have slow-down Omega attacks?

[glad nova]

They really need to change that.

[spare kite]

any slowdown doesn't work

[orchid fog]

It was my first time reaching him and I was halfway through his first health bar. Heck, it was my first time beating the Infernal Beast too.

Died to... that.

[topaz peak]

Well it kinda does

[spare kite]

eh, is fun
the cost for the pause incantation should be lowered tho

[distant ocean]

it's cute and you learn your lesson once lol

[radiant river]

slowdown from ohm attacks works

[spare kite]

what is that abbreviation

[distant ocean]

it's ohm, for omega

[radiant river]

Ω is ohm

because of electricity it's engrained in my mind like that lol

[spare kite]

it def didn't work for me then lol (if you mean the sorceress card)

[radiant river]

that's weird because i remember abusing the slowdown with sister blades to get my first chronos kill

[distant ocean]

yeah it don't work, but using sister blade slow down is like the best in terms of getting the heck out of danger cuz you can teleport behind the thing which is usually attacking in front of it

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239047335590367232/NoSlowdown.mp4?ex=66418041&is=66402ec1&hm=430ddb216dbc57cdc9d543772a9e4d929b9c67471be46848bb584124ab8a54d8& dude just schmooves

[prisma cloud]

hey

[distant ocean]

you know who else be schmooving? the freggin lion boss in ephyra and the little invisiboys

[prisma cloud]

I noticed something did they slightly stealth nerf wep dmg or increased the hp of mobs

[tall notch]

I mean there is an incantation that lets you pause during the fight. Which I think is the perfect way to go about this, have a cool gimmick when you first face him and let people pause once they've seen it a bunch of times

[distant ocean]

oh dang, that dude's got some actual schmoves tho

lol, that's how I picture I look when I'm dancing to the music on the sidewalk, but I bet I look more like an anus.

[topaz peak]

Oh yeah true

I probably look insane

Tapping and pretending to strum a guitar

[distant ocean]

doing the stinky leg 2 decades later

that's what they say about me, 50 years later he's still doing the macarina in traffic

200 years later, he's still hitting the thriller.

sometimes you just gotta love yourself

[glad nova]

No, not really. Some people have to constantly pause the game because they have a busy home, like a grandparent with cancer

Its just mean

[quick osprey]

You can use the Revenant challenge from the Oath of the Unseen to farm the Aspect of Thanatos crit chance.

[zenith bolt]

also the cost of the pause incantation includes 3 zodiac sand.

seriously

[spare kite]

yeah the cost is the only thing that bothers me

[dry mirage]

wait can we share like medal clips here

[zenith bolt]

i didn't have a problem with it until i noticed it required beating him

[dry mirage]

just alt tab no?

[zenith bolt]

well yea but that just seems like a cop out answer

[dry mirage]

fair

[quick osprey]

I just killed him three times in a row, so I think you can too.

[calm arch]

oh it's "zodiac sand" huh I was always wondering wtf the Z in Z sand was

[zenith bolt]

yea they're just shortenings for ingredients

[limpid jewel]

I think the axe vs ||the cyclops|| is maybe the least fun fight in this game. maybe i just had bad hammer upgrade/boons but holy it took forever

[zenith bolt]

i'm complaining because it's basic qol locked behind beating the game, not because it's hard https://i.imgur.com/fPBILHX.png

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/r9qWDhd

I hate Eris

[dry mirage]

yo how do you link an mp4 like that

[dry mirage]

shes just silly

[spare kite]

send to another discord, right click, copy link

[shut lava]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[upbeat crypt]

hey everyone!!! Im doing a run right now and Im curious if Last Gasp works if I have already spent all my death defiances?

[dry mirage]

thanks man

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163871918873645066/1232885497378898021/20240109_164823.jpg?ex=66417f18&is=66402d98&hm=1d16dd6c1c94a17510e7169b6834e3d47c5b7ebed4bafcf470f185113b05d4be&

[zenith bolt]

does glory (aspect of persephone) just not decrease at all?

[spare kite]

you need a certain amount to use it

[zenith bolt]

meter fills up so slow

[spare kite]

you'll notice when it's used when suddenly your omega special goes flying lol

[spare kite]

I still wonder if it's a "dmg done" or "number of hits" if it's the second it kinda sucks for it lol

[mint iron]

There was some character in here who was like
'Eris is not that bad 🤓'

[dry mirage]

i am that character

[mint iron]

No not you, someone else too

Felis something

[dry mirage]

Eris did nothing wrong 😃

[spare kite]

She can be a little mean, as a treat

[elder carbon]

to be fair compared to some of the hades cast eris is not really that bad

[mint iron]

❌

[elder carbon]

definitely not making the nice list anytime soon though LOL

[mint iron]

Fr?
Wait so can we discuss story bits in here?

[spare kite]

I mean ideally you use #h2-story-discussion

[mint iron]

Okayz, wanted to ask something

[orchid fog]

Can somebody explain to me how Artemis daggers work and if you feel like it a good boon to choose for it?

[dry mirage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/846208573117562893/1239064525320491069/Cerby_dpsd.mp4?ex=66419043&is=66403ec3&hm=11494165d0ad9fa034f08c798c33a6c50c3eba033dd545b46098c7f77068a8e4&

some of my best dps ngl

[dry mirage]

i always use aphrodite attack. big crits

[main hatch]

What?! What?! How?!

I want to know.

I love Cerberus. I want to give his Infernal form a quick death.

[orchid fog]

looks like apollo cast shenanigans

[main hatch]

That way he can be the best boy again.

[dry mirage]

Lol it's thanatos axe with Zeus attack, then zeus+apollo duo mostly. Air Quality infusion makes it really good too, support fire as well

[main hatch]

You mean the orbital air strike?

[dry mirage]

cast is doing 80 damage every .13 seconds lmao

[main hatch]

Not Selene's, that's a tactical nuke.

God I love Apollo's cast...

[orchid fog]

Is Selene's buffs weakened on nights with no moon, where she visits the Crossroads?

Or is that just lore fluff

[main hatch]

Probably lore fluff?

[dry mirage]

lore fluff

[main hatch]

Seems like a weird way to punish the player on random nights.

[dry mirage]

my biggest advice is just dash behind him and dash into his attacks instead of away

[main hatch]

And she still shows up on those nights so

[main hatch]

Ah yes, time to use my Elden Ring skills.

[dry mirage]

yeah youve got this easy

hades 2 is basically elden ring

[main hatch]

So far my best success has been with the Witchblades. Mainly the special, because the returning and repeating alterations make them... insane.

[cursive knot]

Ngl the combat in this game does feel more dark souls like

[main hatch]

Yeah, I had that thought early on.
"Hm, feels a lot harder than Hades 1."

[topaz peak]

Probably due to the decrease in the dash spam

[cursive knot]

I love it tbh

[dry mirage]

i dont feel like it's harder i just think it's less of a solved game

[main hatch]

Turns out you need to memorize attack patterns to time your dashes.

[orchid fog]

So the Artemis daggers say that you "might" parry and riposte. Does that really mean I can't decide to block with it while charging the Omega attack?

[dry mirage]

no, there's a timer cool down

[topaz peak]

And early in the run you have way less health

[main hatch]

I'd have to agree. The more you play, the better you get, the easier it seems.

[topaz peak]

Add enemies do more damage i think

[dry mirage]

confusing wording but yes if your parry is ready it will 100% block

[tulip heath]

someone give me busted artimis build

[orchid fog]

So it's on a cooldown okay

[dry mirage]

yeah idk why they said might lol

[topaz peak]

I dunno but aphro attack

[dry mirage]

exactlyyy

[topaz peak]

As high rarity as you can get it

[jolly bramble]

Zeus on attack doesnt sound bad either. Blitz does decent damage. Not a great first choice

[topaz peak]

Cause aphro is all about being in close quarters

[jolly bramble]

Aphro is the no brainer for aspect of artemis just cuz how strong the charge attack gets

[dry mirage]

zeus on attack seems pretty good with artemis ngl. The crits make blitz proc more often

[topaz peak]

And Artemis is about spamming omega attack

If you can get the hammer that increases power by plus 5 for like using omega attack too

Or it’s at least something like that

[gusty lichen]

u're yet to see dps of Pan daggers + fan of knives + posseidon special

[dry mirage]

its +5 power per foe you slay in an encounter ,refreshes each encounter sadly

[main hatch]

If only I could apply that philosophy to Sekiro...
Oh well. That game is notorious for being meat grinder.

[dry mirage]

yeah that does sound pretty good im ngl

[topaz peak]

I’ll argue aphro special

[hidden kindle]

Hey guys, need help - what are the Demeter boons needed to get a duo boon for Apollo? I'm in the Boon Selection atm and sadly I can't pull up the Codex thingy for the list.

[gusty lichen]

aphro special gives +50 damage with 200% roll

and it is additive towards all +damage increase

when posseidon gives 40 at epic

[main hatch]

Is it just me or are Hera's boons kinda busted? I played a bit of the surface with the skull, and my LORD the Omega Special spam with her boons absolutely ruined enemies.

[shut lava]

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[gusty lichen]

and is separate damage instance and affected by global damage increases separately

[topaz peak]

Depends i think

[cursive knot]

Feels really good on thanatos axe attack too.

[gusty lichen]

and on top of that its numerically worse

u have to be on top of enemy (unless u get duo boon(u wont))

[tall notch]

32 fear on both the surface and in the underworld

[gusty lichen]

when posseidon gives his full power damage without condition

[cursive knot]

Feel like there are a lot of really strong options for builds, its kinda nice

[dry mirage]

is that one boon that makes your cast last longer like necesarry for pan?

[gusty lichen]

thats really bad, like a negative boon

[dry mirage]

lol ok

[gusty lichen]

thing is what u rly want is cursor targeted cast

it wont be bad without coz i did 32 fear without it

[cursive knot]

Scorch (without the poseidon duo boon) and heph attack/special are only ones I feel pretty underwhelmed with but they both have amazing utility boons

[gusty lichen]

BUT its really good to have

scorch is just numerically and mechanically worse than posseidon

[cursive knot]

Agree

[gusty lichen]

everywhere

If scorch hard proliferation inhereted

[dawn cape]

I like heph attack/special because it's fire and then forget I have that button

[cursive knot]

Does work well on stuff where you use 1 button 99% of the time

Gives a nice little option to weave in every now and then

[dawn cape]

Though zeus can also fit in that role if you have one button that does big burst damage

Like staff, zeus special can be popped pretty easily by the omega attack

[tulip heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/253336100586651659/1239069735006638090/image.png?ex=6641951d&is=6640439d&hm=8d8903e171de36386e8685a283de45e366c126c3645a204a4763324d2041ead6& it's happening

[gusty lichen]

for me its like this https://imgur.com/a/oG3gHKs

@bleak night

[dry mirage]

i feel like im going to regret asking this

what is so special abt poseidon 😭

[gusty lichen]

i like fast hitting weapons

[dawn cape]

Splash is flat damage which means that if your special/attack does 10 damage per hit poseidon bumps it up to 40 and adds AoE

[gusty lichen]

he has best offence good defence best utility

[zenith bolt]

waves are flat damage, which means with certain fast-firing weapons (momus, pan) they become insane

[gusty lichen]

and its an additional instance of damage

[tall notch]

Why are all the good gods so low here?

[zenith bolt]

also his legendary is actually good and gives a huge boost to dps without requiring you to take boons you wouldnt otherwise go for

[tired fulcrum]

Flat damage is super good with all the global damage increases we have on arcana and poseidon's legendary is like the only one thats actually great

[dry mirage]

gotcha that makes sense

[stoic ridge]

i got poseidons legendary boon and ended up doing 250 damage every hit on the staff special to chronos

[tired fulcrum]

He even has his own source of global damage from slip which also contributes to activating priv status

[zenith bolt]

aphrodite is probably top 3 for me because of how generally good every boon of hers is

[gusty lichen]

which ones are good u think?

[dry mirage]

what global damage increase arcana are you talking abt

[tall notch]

Zeus is nuts

[gusty lichen]

[tired fulcrum]

Uh the +50% to damage to foes afflicted by 2 curses and +30% to your foes in your cast. Since they are non specific damage increases theyll apply to both the base damage of your weapon and also to the damage from poseidons splash

[gusty lichen]

his cast targeting is good

[dry mirage]

ohh gotcha

ima do a poseidon pan run now lol

[tired fulcrum]

Meanwhile if you use a percent dmg atk/special you only get the damage increase once

[gusty lichen]

@dry miragewhen aphrodite gives +200% damage to special

[tall notch]

His cast is good, the prime chain lightning thing, the lightning blasts when you are below 10 mana for momus/eos builds

[gusty lichen]

it turns 25 base into -> 75

but +80% damage from buffs mentioned by apple

wont multiply 75 by 1.8

they will be added with 200%

so 25 * 2.8

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah aphro special is goated but doesnt have the huge potential of poseidon damage also a bit less flexible because of the range thing though theres pos aphro duo

[gusty lichen]

it is numerically equal at baseline

[tender egret]

what kind of build makes the torches work ?

[gusty lichen]

every addition to damage makes it worse

coz of diminishing returns

[tall notch]

One case when I'd take Aphro over Poseidon on Pan is if I wanted to use the concentrated flurry hammer

[gusty lichen]

but on pan u want targeted cast

so

whats concetrated flurry, is that straight line?

[tall notch]

Extra power for every dagger that hits the same target on charged special

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239072622193545289/image.png?ex=664197cd&is=6640464d&hm=443e6f014c5106bcf4ee12327ff139cfccf1c8396849618f36ce151d4dda46a7& oh hey new attack

[gusty lichen]

eww

[tall notch]

And since it's power and not just dmg increase aphro will scale that up to give some massive single target

[gusty lichen]

but u have to know that u will have that

and its like one of the worse ones for pan

so its already starting from a downside

[hot citrus]

does anyone have any tips on axe builds

[gusty lichen]

and no aoe that pushes enemies away so no crowd control

[hot citrus]

and axe in general

[tall notch]

Ofc it's not something to build for specifically, but if say room 1 hammer gives that as the ONLY special hammer then looking for Aphro might be a good idea

[gusty lichen]

Aphrodite attack if u know bosses attacks, apollo if u dont

[hot citrus]

smart

[gusty lichen]

Hera if u want to clear rooms faster

[tall notch]

zeus cast

[gusty lichen]

and faster attack omega

[slate zodiac]

I feel like Medea Skull is so good in comparison to any other Skull aspect

[gusty lichen]

i would afk at first mobs if i get that

[hot cedar]

i just unlocked that aspect. what's it's playstyle?

[slate zodiac]

Attack Attack Attack > Omega Special > Pick up skulls > Repeat

[mild phoenix]

how tf does one play skull

[topaz peak]

How do you get that?

The duo is mean

[mild phoenix]

Understadable, will get medea

[hot cedar]

since medea is close range, would aphro work with it?

[fossil matrix]

Persephone skull is pretty insane, you are just invincible all the time, or lobbing omega casts/attacks from across the map

[zenith bolt]

yea i think i like persephone skull the most

[slate zodiac]

I think Aphro is amazing with skull in general cuz of the special. Works on both atk and special if you're running medea skull

[zenith bolt]

also it just looks zonked the hell out so that's a plus https://i.imgur.com/ZFyWpRj.png

[tired fulcrum]

I think its aphro atk/special/gain and probably any poseidon core, would have to check

[fossil matrix]

Damn that's what her mom looks like??

[topaz peak]

Gain? Like the health one?

[tired fulcrum]

Magick regen

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/euKgT4j.png https://i.imgur.com/bhsBT1e.png
cool, i got both familiars maxed out

[topaz peak]

Honestly aphros health boon is so good and magic regen is great as well

[topaz peak]

Is the duo any good though?

It just needs to be one of the aphro and one of the Poseidon right

[gusty lichen]

[tired fulcrum]

Its nice to have, not run breaking

[topaz peak]

Right fair

[tired fulcrum]

I think they buffed life affirmation like here its 40% on common right while in 1, common was 30%

[topaz peak]

So just aphro Poseidon combo on pan

[gusty lichen]

no

[topaz peak]

Got it

[gusty lichen]

u dont need aphro on pan at all

posseidon on speciall is everything u need

[topaz peak]

I prefer aphro dash and regen

[gusty lichen]

sure then

aphro cast + cyclone demeter

[topaz peak]

Plus hestia range

[gusty lichen]

zeus better

[topaz peak]

But that’s been bugging out of me lately

[topaz peak]

But hestia though

[zenith bolt]

i made like 24 animal crackers and i still have eight of these, goddamn https://i.imgur.com/tlgWIEX.png

[tired fulcrum]

If you want to high roll dps theres apollo legendary lol

[gusty lichen]

hestia is both delayed and not on cursor if it hits enemy

[dawn cape]

What's the hard cap on Grasp, 30?

[gusty lichen]

zeus instant and where u want it

[topaz peak]

I guess fair

[tired fulcrum]

30

[topaz peak]

Fair ok

[tender egret]

hm to max out a companion ?

[zenith bolt]

i like how im always out of silver because mel aspects need so much

[tired fulcrum]

Give em more treats

[orchid kestrel]

Are wep aspects available at any point in the game or is that still being developed?

[zenith bolt]

it's 10 per companion to max out (1 to unlock, 9 for all the bonds)

[tender egret]

ahhh kk gotchu thx

[gusty lichen]

where is dog

[topaz peak]

Where do you find the cat again

[tender egret]

after cyclops

[zenith bolt]

luckily im almost done, i just need like 30 more silver for mel aspect blades to rank 5 and then like 15ish for one of the arcana cards

[topaz peak]

Which is better anyway cat or frog

[tired fulcrum]

Docks, start of surface biome 2, i think you need to bring a fish or to have fished

[gusty lichen]

cat

[zenith bolt]

frog is generally better imo but honestly either is good

[tired fulcrum]

Cat is better cuz dd damage gating

[zenith bolt]

for low hp build with white antler you kinda have to cat bc frog gives hp

[gusty lichen]

if u could give orders to frog

[tired fulcrum]

40% crit chance is so op

[gusty lichen]

it would've been better

[tired fulcrum]

Especially when we dont even need a keepsake for acorn lol

[tall notch]

Cat might be cool for speedruns. That one DD will do more than frog's hp if you don't take the DD arcana

[gusty lichen]

jump into chronos and tank all projectiles

[gusty lichen]

why would u not take it

[tall notch]

To take more offensive stuff

[tired fulcrum]

Just dont get hit

Like for momus speedruns you dont really need dds when you just evaporate everything

[gusty lichen]

[zenith bolt]

hmm i think it's probably best to just save bones for nightmares

given i dont think testaments give enough to max all the aspects (8x7 = 56)

[spare kite]

give me a sec about to send a funny clip with aph + conc

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah idk why they gutted the not tblood gain

[tribal hatch]

Im actually surprised how OP the Hephaestus cast is especially on bosses

[zenith bolt]

yea unless theres like more testaments past the base 30 where like its just "do a run with a random weapon and 20 fear to chronos"

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239077818223169546/HowlCrit.mp4?ex=66419ca4&is=66404b24&hm=d40253a6910452ce78e6b27e743827651979ec504c483933ac7464b2f1e90eca&

[zenith bolt]

but i doubt that that's a thing. for now im just clearing all the testaments https://i.imgur.com/fx6sjvU.png

[tired fulcrum]

Wtf

[quick osprey]

ooh, Poms count a minor rewards under Poseidon's boon.

[gusty lichen]

[hot citrus]

axe kinda good (mel: 37, nem: 0)

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239078158636945418/image.png?ex=66419cf5&is=66404b75&hm=9e2c1738eac13b28325ebd845fba2f0035f91d50ffda3f9433a69a68e4a01840&

[tired fulcrum]

They dont, they count as "some other rewards" or whatever it says right after the minor finds part

[zenith bolt]

14 grasp? you using judgment?

[spare kite]

yeah

[zenith bolt]

what do you take for judgment

[tired fulcrum]

Rerolls prob

[spare kite]

took reroll/magic regen/rare buff

[zenith bolt]

i see

[eager dove]

Priming isnt enough to trigger Huntress is it?

[zenith bolt]

i dont think so, and im not sure if 0/0 activates huntress either

[spare kite]

tbh the funniest thing here is def howl into guaranteed crit

[gusty lichen]

ye casual +32 flat damage or is it 36 if 9 knives

[eager dove]

its odd considering you can Prime to trigger the zues lightning but not that

[zenith bolt]

momus aspect is so stupid dude

they really were just like "yea this quadruples your dps"... "send it"

[gusty lichen]

pan still better

[tall notch]

That's some decent damage

[quick osprey]

Just used hitch and Apollo's cast to nuke the Sirens. The drummer acts as a good anchor to push hitch damage with.

[tired fulcrum]

not funny oneshot but https://imgur.com/a/jNcVSQa

[gusty lichen]

two perfect hammers for combo, heroic special and fully upgraded hex before dog

[bleak night]

Why is Apollo that low

[gusty lichen]

i dont like axe

[spare kite]

the guaranteed crit is one of the blue ones, it can be super early in the tree

[bleak night]

He's not just Axe

He has that legendary that turns any weapon that likes to Omega into top-tier disgusting

[gusty lichen]

the other two weapon dont even exist for me

[bleak night]

Which ones ? Skull and Torches ?

[tired fulcrum]

we should get an upgrade that makes hexes replace minor finds so i dont get annoyed by hex start

[gusty lichen]

ye

[bleak night]

I don't play Blades much myself, so I get it

[gusty lichen]

blades

[bleak night]

I can't get into it somehow

[gusty lichen]

they are super easy

[bleak night]

I mean, it's subjective no? I think Axe is super easy

[tired fulcrum]

wait does apollo legendary increase the hit rate of axe omega, like when i got it it just felt like it doubled the duration

[bleak night]

My playstyle just doesn't fit

[gusty lichen]

Momus is easier early, a less top end in average run.
Pan is harder early, better top end in average run.
do same thing

[bleak night]

It doubles the duration only, so it's kinda better only if you have Psychic Whirl, it allows you to have maybe 2-3 active spins at a time

[autumn sun]

I FINALLY KILLED CHRONOS

[bleak night]

Very nice

[bleak night]

I tried Pan and hit a wall at 32 heat like Medea and Persephone sadly

[autumn sun]

The one time I couldn't get to the safe spot for his instant kill, the attack missed

[zenith bolt]

now this is a certified Momus Moment™️

[bleak night]

I can't go beyond, it's too hard for me since I'm not used to it

[gusty lichen]

i did a run u saw it

[bleak night]

I mean I'm having trouble with it

With Axe I'm practicing for 40 Fear atm

[gusty lichen]

whats problem that u have

[mild phoenix]

what aspect is this

[gusty lichen]

aspect of Pan

[tired fulcrum]

pan

[mild phoenix]

oh nice

[autumn sun]

I was playing a crit build, but I never lost enough health on the last encounter to trigger it hahaha

Also turns out secret to not being able to read his attacks is to use the Axe and block

[spare kite]

almost died to chronos for greedy lmao, fun run

[autumn sun]

I was running a Melinoë build, so big hits

[gusty lichen]

i dont think i can even do no fear axe run

[bleak night]

I'm never really lucky enough to get ranged Cast so I can safely chuck daggers. I keep having to go near and then dash away to shoot knives, but my brain is so embedded into going in and spinning, I sometimes go in to lay down a Cast, then I charge the Blades attack and release to put myself near the danger zone I was trying to avoid LOL

[gusty lichen]

i had no ranged cast in that run

[bleak night]

I can stream an Axe run later if you wanna watch

[tall notch]

Try starting with Demeter cast. It's super safe and helps with aoe which Pan kinda lacks

[gusty lichen]

ye i had demeter cast there

on floor 4 i got it

[graceful sable]

I like Aspect of Pan, but I keep running into the following issues:

-Cast not lasting long enough for Omega charging, so I use Hera cast.

-Running out of Mana too quickly and not getting any further benefit.

How do I do crazy damage while not running out of Mana?

[gusty lichen]

hera cast already bad

[graceful sable]

But it lasts the longest and I don't have enough time to charge normally

[woeful frigate]

what do ppl think about skull and its aspects? any standout ones?

[gusty lichen]

do u use time freeze on acrana?

[bleak night]

A lot of Aspect of Pan runs kinda boil down to if your Hammers are lucky enough to give you either more blades to chuck, heavily reducing charging time and MP cost of your Omega Special, etc.

[tired fulcrum]

Are you not running hera magic regain

[gusty lichen]

isnt it like every weapon run

[graceful sable]

What boons should I be running

[gusty lichen]

boiling down to a decent hammer

[bleak night]

When I'm desperate for Coarse Grit, I will skip hammers entirely just to get more Earth Boons lmao

[tired fulcrum]

When cant reroll hammer

[gusty lichen]

#h2-builds-and-combat message

[gusty lichen]

nah i never skipp hammers

and i never had coarse grit

ye idk why u cant reroll hamer

[graceful sable]

So I should be doing Hera mana regen and then Wave Strike on Special?

[gusty lichen]

is that big of a game breaking stuff

[bleak night]

I use a weapon that's melee 100% of the time is why I want it

[gusty lichen]

hera doesnt have mana regen

[graceful sable]

.

[tired fulcrum]

> Born gain

[gusty lichen]

why would u ever

[bleak night]

Born Gain is fun

[gusty lichen]

it seals mana

[tired fulcrum]

Why dont you want infinite mana

[graceful sable]

Okay so people are just gonna argue instead of giving me ideas

[gusty lichen]

oh ye let me get epic/heroic version every run, why not

[tired fulcrum]

It seals like 10 on common

[gusty lichen]

no thanks

[bleak night]

Doesn't the seal disappear when you move to the next room ?

[spare kite]

you are playin Pan, the dmg will quickly outpase the priming

[bleak night]

Idk I almost used Born Gain once

[mild phoenix]

its not terrible tbh

[autumn sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1239082848233984010/image.png?ex=6641a154&is=66404fd4&hm=22a8ede40b47f54efa267a532913b43cf2a8da1b2ad5f9f3f9fbed82a6031772&

Here's the build I won with

[gusty lichen]

u start from Posseidon on special

[mild phoenix]

is pan just free spiral knives?

[spare kite]

Pan is chiron but good

[gusty lichen]

then u're looking for mana regen and targeted cast

[tired fulcrum]

Unless your damage is garbage you will never run out of mana even with common hera gain

[gusty lichen]

no

[graceful sable]

Chiron didn't make you cast first it just let you auto lock on

[autumn sun]

Yes that's 62% on God Mode And I enabled that after losing maybe 12 runs

[gusty lichen]

but with spiral knives its 21 dagger

[spare kite]

you need to mark with attack for chiron, same thing really

[graceful sable]

What is targeted cast

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus/hestia cast non core. Zeus pref

[graceful sable]

Your cast doesn't follow enemies and it doesn't last very long

[tribal hatch]

I still havent found a good application yet for boons relating to the dash tbh

[graceful sable]

And it costs a resource making it worse by default

[autumn sun]

64, sorry

[spare kite]

it doesn't?

[tired fulcrum]

Non omega cast costs 0 mana

[graceful sable]

Right my B

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/bFEJFqqmcuU ignore the phase 2.2 please

[bleak night]

Hestia sprint is decent as a defensive option

[mild phoenix]

so it's just a difference in dagger number?

[spare kite]

I keep forgetting this isn't dad and he does that weird attack during the phase change lmao

[dawn cape]

Gonna be honest, infusion boons seem like a concept that doesn't really work out right now

[gusty lichen]

it gives +5 max

[tired fulcrum]

Mostly status curse to proc better priv status

[bleak night]

I honestly just get Apollo dash and call it a day lol

[spare kite]

same

[dawn cape]

Poseidon sprint is also half-decent for plowing some trash mobs and chasing down ranged units

[winter stag]

does proper upbringing + uncommon grace function

[gusty lichen]

i used aphro dash

[bleak night]

I just love running fast

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah apollos is really good, free ehp, easy curse application, sprint speed is nice to have

[gloomy reef]

what do people think are the best pan hammers for special

[bleak night]

I forgot that Apollo sprint has Daze lol

[spare kite]

16 knives/fast channel/backstab I think

conc can be funny but is not the answer

[dawn cape]

I usually get my daze from the revenge boon

If you need that miss chance because you're fighting a boss that keeps hitting you, you'll get consistent daze the whole fight

[dusk zealot]

Hook knives and tthe one that makes special hit harder on the same enemy

[autumn sun]

Before I start playing with Fear on, is there any benefit to beating Chronos multiple times?

[charred flame]

Guys.
Poseidon gold boost
Hermes gold boost
Mel Knives weapon
Speed attack hammer
Wave attack
Zeus chain lighting attack
Air quality boon
Hitch sprint
Damage amp per death defiance spent (+50%)
+5% damage for every 100 gold boon
2200 gold (+120%)

I cannot believe how high my damage was. Holy crap

[dusk zealot]

Moar sand

[dawn cape]

In the full release you probably need to do that to unlock the true ending

[bleak night]

I love this build as well lol

[dusk zealot]

there's an incantation that causes chronos spell to break. The ingredient quntities are listed as ??? not sure what that is about

[dawn cape]

Basically it's a case of "we haven't implemented the other ingredients yet but we want to show some idea of what will happen"

[zenith bolt]

probably just not implemented yet, given i don't think there's a way to get entropy yet either

[tired fulcrum]

It seems to be future update stuff

[bleak night]

That's for when they finish making the game

[dusk zealot]

I see, because I ain't found entropy yet

[dawn cape]

Though given that permakilling Chronos would stop any future runs from happening it probably won't be that simple

[autumn sun]

Thanks

[charred flame]

It's insane knowing it would have been higher with a better second hammer upgrade (like 200% back stab would have been perf)

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah i wonder how theyre going to do the postgame stuff

[dusk zealot]

what's the max fear you can do to get nightmare for each weapon?

[bleak night]

I wanna try it with a crit build lol

[gusty lichen]

@graceful sable

• Posseidon keepsake -> Special; Start
• Concave stone; floor 2
• experimental hammer; floor 3
• any defence one; floor 4
  Hammers: look for reduced cost + faster channel /Fan of knives / Return projectile ; any 2 out of 3
  Cast: target area from hester/zeus. Demeter freeze.
  

[charred flame]

Forgot I also had the Artemis crit boon!

[winter stag]

^?

[spare kite]

why C.stone? legendary?

[graceful sable]

Concave stone?

[bleak night]

Since you're running Pan, try Medea on Floor 4

[autumn sun]

It's funny that he's the Titan of Time, not the actual personification of Time, so killing him won't like... Stop time for everyone haha

[dusk zealot]

do you like artemis or pan more? At first I liked artemis better, but now I'm leaning more towards pan

[dawn cape]

"Now Chronos is the one trapped in a time loop and being killed repeatedly for Mel's amusement"

[charred flame]

I killed chronos, both phases, in about a minute. I'm just in awe

[zenith bolt]

how much does medea go up to? 40%? and does it activate multiple times

[dusk zealot]

@autumn sun Isn't that basically equivalent to personification?

[spare kite]

Chaos mentions that time does stop for a brief moment when he dies, they are the only ones that notice it

[bleak night]

It's 40% as long as you have it equipped with the conditions met

[graceful sable]

You mean Demeter whirlwind? Demeter freeze is only on cast

[graceful sable]

What's medea?

[bleak night]

It's Echo's keepsake. 75% chance to autoselect another boon when choosing from a boon menu

[dawn cape]

Chronos also isn't a very good time master because he isn't just pulling a Dio and popping time stop for free hits, but I get Mel probably has a countermeasure to that

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/Jv6YJQf.png https://i.imgur.com/MVHk96b.png

[gusty lichen]

demeter freeze

[zenith bolt]

there's one for both freeze and cyclone

[dusk zealot]

Dude freeze is broken

[tired fulcrum]

I mean he does have that weird move where he makes you super slow which i dont really get

[gusty lichen]

zeus is not main boon to cast

[graceful sable]

But won't arctic ring replace Zeus cast.

[gusty lichen]

u need zeus's target cast

[graceful sable]

?????????????

[spare kite]

zeus cast here refers to lightning lance, not the core cast

[zenith bolt]

zeus target area is not a cast boon in the sense that it uses the cast slot

[dawn cape]

And he tries to hit you with timestop fields but he can't cover the whole map with them, probably has to make them more focused to break Mel's passive timestop defense

[dusk zealot]

did anyone noticee that the art for zeus cast is incorrect and not the general cast art? I think his cast and lance are mixed up

[gusty lichen]

isnt zeus main cast is omega explode?

[zenith bolt]

all cast slot boons end in "ring", lightning lance does not

[graceful sable]

This whole time I've been avoiding multiple cast boons because I didn't want a replacement

[gusty lichen]

and targeted cast is utility boon?

[dusk zealot]

@zenith bolt yeah, but the art for lightning lance is the cast art

[bleak night]

If you've taken at least 250 damage in total throughout the whole run, it'll give you a +40% damage boost to your Omega moves as long as it's still equipped

[zenith bolt]

blame devs for being inconsistent about it

[graceful sable]

How do I get it?

[dawn cape]

Is hera cast useful? It seems mediocre unless you're timing it for new spawns but I guess the massive duration just removes some enemies from the fight too if they can't break out of the root

[zenith bolt]

hera cast is bad

[tired fulcrum]

Actually ngl isnt +40 additive is bit meh

[dusk zealot]

hera's cast is one of the rare bad things about her

[bleak night]

You unlock the surface yet ?

[spare kite]

I kinda like it for Pan actually? it actually lasts for multiple channels
not my first take tho

[gusty lichen]

@graceful sablezeus main cast boon is omega cast detonation, utility boon is cast on cursor

[tired fulcrum]

Hera cast is good for fish and hecate witches and uh rats ig and yeah just that

[autumn sun]

Now for the true final boss: getting all the driftwood I need

[bleak night]

It's certainly better than a lot of other things offensive is all, so it's up to you. You can run defensively instead

[zenith bolt]

lol yeah

[dusk zealot]

What's the best boon for staff attack?

[gusty lichen]

u jus dont attack with staff

[tired fulcrum]

Hephaestus because you just spam special instead

[autumn sun]

Well

Building the dock because oh god I need to buy so much Ambrosia

[bleak night]

My usual keepsake flow is just
Erebus: God Boon/Concave
Oceanus: Concave Stone/God Boon
Fields: Experimental Hammer
Tartarus: Lucky Tooth/Blackened Fleece/Lion Fang

[dusk zealot]

@gusty lichen with momus, yes

[zenith bolt]

honestly staff attack like not omega is kinda just not worth it when momus exists and is ranged and more damage

[graceful sable]

What's the name of Zeus target area cast? I haven't encountered a lot of these boons

[tired fulcrum]

Momus is peak game balance

[zenith bolt]

lightning lance

[autumn sun]

Er

List of boons not the dock

[dusk zealot]

Let's say I'm not using momus though, what's the best staff omega attack boon?

[tired fulcrum]

Wait what is max lion fang

[gusty lichen]

zeus boon can give u cast is placed on your cursor instead of under u

[tired fulcrum]

Was it 50 or 40 or what

[gusty lichen]

hestia has same

[bleak night]

It's 50% bonus damage, but -5% per encounter. So by the time you reach Chronos it's 25% for everything, it's mostly good for offensive Momus without White Antler prepared

[graceful sable]

I'm extremely confused, do I want Demeter core cast or Zeus core cast, I'm not seeing lightning Lance anywhere I rolled twice

[gusty lichen]

Demeter core cast

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah +25 global with poseidon is pretty good

[graceful sable]

I'm going to scream

[gusty lichen]

Zeus utility cast

if u get it its cool if u dont - dont care

[zenith bolt]

my personal tier list of aspects
S: momus
A: thanatos, pan
B: medea, persephone, mel (blades), artemis
C: mel (staff), mel (axe), mel (skull)
D: circe
idk: charon, any torch

[graceful sable]

Okay I'm restarting the run

[tired fulcrum]

Theres a lot more useful keepsakes here than hades 1 which is nice

[slate zodiac]

@bleak night what fears did you use for F20? I'm struggling to not die x.X

[winter stag]

tfw choosing boon from echo and getting a common one disables uncommon grace even if you have proper upbringing

[gusty lichen]

U start with posseidon on special thats main priority, everything else is side

[dusk zealot]

Thanatos and pan are lit

[bleak night]

I can check my nodes later, can you send me a dm so I remember to check ? Out for breakfast atm

[tired fulcrum]

yeah echo random boon can really screw you over

[winter stag]

rip 20% damage buff

[zenith bolt]

boon boon boon is just like ??? when you have so much better options in like reward reward reward or evade evade evade

evade evade evade is the best imo, just always helpful

[tired fulcrum]

Echo reroll when

[dusk zealot]

the echo gift that gives you max health and magick is also nice

[winter stag]

not if you never get hit /s

[spare kite]

I'm an addict to the "copy last reward" so I always take hammer last lmao

[slate zodiac]

Does Persephone work?

[tired fulcrum]

I really want to get that to happen to me lol

[zenith bolt]

it does, it just charges slow. kinda in the vein of momus where you just take it for the damage boost

[dusk zealot]

why is circe asspect bad

[gusty lichen]

S: Pan, Momus.
everything else.

[slate zodiac]

Also, Mel Staff is imo B tier. Omega reliant but I wouldn't say it's worse than Mel Blades

[spare kite]

otherwise I just kinda take "gain boon from last night" and hope for the best

[zenith bolt]

because for all the effort you put in to get serenity you could just like. take any magick regen boon

[zenith bolt]

fair enough

[tired fulcrum]

Does that last till chronos? Does it decay on location or encounter

[gusty lichen]

location

[dusk zealot]

So basically mel staff with hestia gain provides the same effect of serenetiy except permanent, right?

[slate zodiac]

Remind me: What is the stat bonus for Persphone Skull?

[zenith bolt]

like +30% omega damage

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah thats kinda bad then

[winter stag]

omega damage +

[slate zodiac]

Mel Staff gives higher channel speed too

[gusty lichen]

echo is DD refiller

[tired fulcrum]

Like all omegas?

[winter stag]

yeah

[zenith bolt]

it just says "omega damage"

[dusk zealot]

circe will hopefully get a buff

[tired fulcrum]

Persephone castpect trust

[dawn cape]

Does Icarus do friendly fire damage if his bombs land on you?

[slate zodiac]

Omega damage is amazing on skull lol

[gusty lichen]

no

[glossy rivet]

what weapon aspects work best with demeter boons?

[gusty lichen]

non

[tired fulcrum]

Like ngl castpects dont really work in hades 2 that great since every cast other than poseidon you have to wait to move it

[dawn cape]

Ty, seemed logical that they would but I guess an orbital strike that hits both sides would probably favor enemies

[dusk zealot]

@glossy rivet I find demeter cast is nice with axe, letting you charge omega while freezing enemies

[zenith bolt]

ok medea aspect does not buff any omega damage at all which i figured but i had to check

[tired fulcrum]

Its funny how heracles knockbacks and stuns tf out of you if you stand in his way

[gusty lichen]

demeter is good utility for every aspect

[slate zodiac]

Do we even have any castpects?

[zenith bolt]

charon

[tired fulcrum]

Charon

[dusk zealot]

like freeze is kinda op

[slate zodiac]

I legit forgot it existed

[dusk zealot]

Charon is lit

[tired fulcrum]

Axe omega special is so slow without the hammer

[zenith bolt]

charon is just ???? because like i only have so much nightmare and thanatos is him so

[glossy rivet]

how do u use charon axe?

hera cast --> spam specials on everyone in the circle?

[dusk zealot]

apollo cast, pop special and fireworks

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah apollo makes the most sense

[dusk zealot]

or poseidon cast is good too

[glossy rivet]

oh wait does the cast circle go away if u pop with charon

[slate zodiac]

I'd use Apollo Cast

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah it makes it blow up

[glossy rivet]

wb aphro cast

[tired fulcrum]

Aphro doesnt add damage

[slate zodiac]

Eh? What would that accomplish?

[dusk zealot]

The drawback of apollo cast with charon is that you need to wait a bit before dropping another circle

[tired fulcrum]

Wait really you cant cast again until the orbital strike ends?

[dusk zealot]

Apollo or poseidon for charon is the way to go i think.

[glossy rivet]

wouldnt aphro cast bunch up the enemies better?

[warm rivet]

Finally got my first eris kill

[glossy rivet]

or do you stand in the cast circle...?

[dusk zealot]

it's just not as strong @glossy rivet to be worth it

[slate zodiac]

I'd go Apollo Cast with Hestia/Zeus to throw the circle afar

[zenith bolt]

charon aspect i guess is centered around nuking with cast -> omega special but like omega special on axe is like the worst move it has

[tired fulcrum]

Cast already binds and you can just kite enemies into it

[tired fulcrum]

axe omega spam hammers got me my first win kek

[glossy rivet]

i also havent unlocked charon aspect anyway but does it turn the axe into a paddle lol

kinda like than axe is a sickle

[spare kite]

nope, charon just used an axe before it seems lol
"maybe he used it to row" - Mel

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/IhAk4im.png

[mystic oracle]

If anyone wouldn’t mind sharing, how are y’all beating ||Chronos||??? I’m getting there with five death defiances and it somehow isn’t enough 💀

[dusk zealot]

If charon used his axe in the first game, we'd never get loyalty cards

[glossy rivet]

man used to row boats with an axe before DAYM

[elder carbon]

the little hat 😭

[dusk zealot]

honestly, i think loyalty cards make more sense in the second game. How does stealing money demonstrate loyalty lol

[autumn sun]

What are Testaments?

[spare kite]

speaking of charon, the economy in this game gets silly sometimes

[dusk zealot]

This games pact of punishment

[dark whale]

the game feels horribly balances against melee weapons imo.

[zenith bolt]

x amount of fear + y weapon + z boss = you get a nightmare

[glossy rivet]

is staff O special any good?

feel like for the most part staff is for spamming O attack

[autumn sun]

Okies

[dusk zealot]

@glossy rivet On aspect of momus the special is busted

[glossy rivet]

run start with hammer: yay
hammer choices are not double O attack

[dark whale]

my biggest gripe is the chronos fight once you get to the second half of his first phase. His double swing is a frame perfect dodge due to the dodge cooldown in this game

[glossy rivet]

would you say aspect of momus needs lots of nmare invested?

[dusk zealot]

@glossy rivet yes

[glossy rivet]

i got moros, thanatos, and pan aspects at rank IV but i got no more nmare

does charon axe also need lots of nmare invested?

[spare kite]

I'm glad that the Mel aspects don't use nightmare lol

[glossy rivet]

mel using all her nmare to put skelly out of his misery (again):

[dusk zealot]

not really. thanatos aspect does though

Charon axe upgrades jsut make omega cast do more damage. but it already does a buttload of damage

[glossy rivet]

ok so 1-2 nmare charon axe can do good already?

[dusk zealot]

@glossy rivet absolutely

[spare kite]

I need to kill skelly for real this time
Those statues are

[glossy rivet]

is it like, good as in better than o-attack spamming with than axe even?

[autumn sun]

Is there an equivalent to the testament that made enemies spawn much faster like in the previous game?

[dusk zealot]

@glossy rivet I think in general it's safer.

[spare kite]

Idk if this game's FO spawns them faster but it is there

[dusk zealot]

@autumn sun Yes, Chronos is a nightmare with it on though

[autumn sun]

Is it FO? I remember it for doing fast runs

[dusk zealot]

yeah forced overtime. forget what it's called in hades 2. Vow of fury maybe?

[glossy rivet]

safer huh hmm

[spare kite]

Idk the name of 2's equivalent but yeah we have forced overtime still

[distant ocean]

i might be bias but I would put artemis in low S tier personally, I think that both parry and riposte are insane

[autumn sun]

Excellent

[dusk zealot]

I used to like artemis more, but it feels kinda slow compared to pan

[graceful sable]

Crap everything was going well but got Flurry on my first hammer not what I wanted

Is run over?

[distant ocean]

maybe in terms of clearing time pan wins hard

[tropic cedar]

i just got lucky and got all 25 arcanas active

[bleak night]

Ooh, your crystal activated judgment ?

[tropic cedar]

yeah that keepsake activated judgment

[bleak night]

Good stuff lol

[distant ocean]

just being able to make use of spiral knives is awesome, but I think artemis is better for bossing and bursting

not by alot mind you

[dusk zealot]

It really depends on the hammers you get. both aspects have great hammers.

[distant ocean]

and only when you have riposte up

[eager dove]

god polys horn sheep hit you from so far away,

[dusk zealot]

polyphemus is a deceivingly annoying boss

[spare kite]

Sister blades has so many good hammers lol

[eager dove]

I keep thinking im running by a sheep but apparently it can hit me from there ugh

[dusk zealot]

true

[distant ocean]

polyphemus hitbox on his grab is butts.

it's a little bit off is that fair to say

feels like he can grab you from so far away and behind em

[spare kite]

I've never been grabbed

[timber fractal]

Whatre the best boons for the axe?

[dusk zealot]

aphrodite attack is good. demeter cast is nice too to freeze

[timber fractal]

thats what i thought

[distant ocean]

yeah, that's where artemis wins I think, there's a consistency to just always having a 50% crit chance option, you don't need spiral knives to pop off

you don't even need specials to show up

[timber fractal]

should i be going for a lot of magic and health with some magik regen to spam omega attack?

[distant ocean]

pan doesn't either but it also doesn't provide anything if they don't

[autumn sun]

Last question—how the heck do I make my familiars rest?

[dusk zealot]

prioritize magic regen, since magic will regenerate while the omega attack is going off

[tropic cedar]

demeter has gated damage to only 16 each, you can bonk around without caring with that, hestia has a HP regen but sacrifice 100 health

[zenith bolt]

use a different one

[autumn sun]

Thanks!

[zenith bolt]

(or use none at all)

[timber fractal]

fair, i do apollo for my cast + apollo dash, is that good?
i keep getting chronos to like, half with 2 death defiances 💀 im cheeks at this game

[dusk zealot]

apollo dash is fine, i'd recommend demeter cast. The freeze is good for crowd control and time to charge your omega

[zenith bolt]

apollo dash is good for setting up origination at least

[timber fractal]

maybe, apollo cast just does so much extra damage. tho maybe freezing chronos might be better

[distant ocean]

daze is good in general

[dusk zealot]

@timber fractal It does damage only when it hits. It's not very reliable

demeter, you can freeze enemies without even using the omega cast

[timber fractal]

fair, i never use it for crowd control since the omega attack does a good enough job

especially when its an epic/palmed up aphrodite attack

[distant ocean]

you can freeze and cyclone with basic demeter cast can't you

[autumn sun]

Crap actual last question—what does it mean by "marked guardian"? How can I tell which it is?

[dusk zealot]

yes @distant ocean

[distant ocean]

demeter cast is definitely bis

[timber fractal]

marked enemies have a green lil crosshair i think

[distant ocean]

granny got it goin on buh

[dusk zealot]

@autumn sun The picture and the weapon under it

[distant ocean]

yo offtopic a lil bit but you got any grapes?

[autumn sun]

I can't make sense of the picture haha

[timber fractal]

i sold em to the wretched broker, sorry :/. charon might have some

[dusk zealot]

@autumn sun I assume you're talkign about the oath of unseen?

[distant ocean]

that's fair, gotta do wut u gotta do

[autumn sun]

I'm talking about the general fear system

[distant ocean]

waddle waddle.

[dusk zealot]

@autumn sun on the screen where you set fear, there are pictures of bosses on the left, and the weapon and required fear needed to beat them to get the nightmare reward

[autumn sun]

Alright. The picture ain't very clear, so I'll guess

[dusk zealot]

maybe post a screenshot of it here?

[autumn sun]

Oh, it's from the journal thing

[timber fractal]

for unyielding slash on the axe, it says +10 power on attacks and -20% while using them. Does this apply to omega attacks?

[dusk zealot]

anything that applies to attacks applies to omega attacks

[timber fractal]

okay thats what i thought

sounds OP imma cop it

[ruby sleet]

Quick question are all duo boons available or only some at this point of early access?

[dusk zealot]

all are available

[ruby sleet]

Thank u

[graceful sable]

I am now firing 20 shots with Pan blades

[timber fractal]

weird question does chaos gates count as one of the total encounters for each world?

[graceful sable]

Anything melts

[glad nova]

Encounters need enemies

[graceful sable]

Only fights

[dusk zealot]

Pan is basically chiron aspect if it was good

[timber fractal]

shiii so they're always worth it then i was worried it took away 1 of the encounters

[spare kite]

If you mean in how many chambers to reach the boss, then yeah it is a skip
For purposes of chaos curses/most charon items then no

[shy bison]

god I love zorophet

[spare kite]

How do y'all remember the name of the weapons lmao

[shy bison]

cuz since I unlocked it it's the only one I been using LMAO

it's like a more aggressive aegis

[graceful sable]

You're actually kidding me. Your Hex doesn't save between encounters? That's absurd! Literally garbage waste of a reward

[shy bison]

Huh? How do you mean? Like progress towards building it?

[jade cairn]

I manage to get cronos to his second phase today. Im so happy. I just prioritize boon upgrade and shoot him for afar. Will this method work?

[dim flame]

you really have to appreciate the fact that poseidon/zues is once again overpowered as all hell, poseiodon on special for the staff with double special is great, having zues's prime that shoots bolts is great too

time to get owned by cronus for thinking im doing well

[graceful sable]

I had Lunar Ray ready to go but decided to save it for the boss

Blades can't charge very fast

[spare kite]

Pos got a huge glow up here, no longer dash being his only good core (and cast for beowulf)

[dim flame]

blades can charge very fast

omega attack is sweet

ive found that its not really a question of "can i use the mana with this build?" but "do i have a good enough mana regen/mana cap with this build"

[glossy rivet]

can coarse grit work on chronos's 999 damage phase 2 attack?

or effects like impervious from hex or hermes boons?

[sturdy meteor]

hmm for blades aspect of pan special do you reccomend ?

[glossy rivet]

poseidon on special works great with pan aspect

hook knives hammer is also SSS tier

[compact spoke]

Moon water is super op (especially with the upgrade that let's you stack it). Dark side wins by itself in a build that uses a lot of magick. Phase shift too ||(except against Chronos)||.

[spare kite]

Moon howl is also fun for the guaranteed crit upgrade

[civic ocean]

hold down your buttons

[glossy rivet]

is lightning lance boosted by +cast damage boons?

[dim flame]

is it uh, safe to assume that the zues and haphaestus duo boon, the one that allows your bolts of lightning to bounce to you, doesent damage you?

[plucky inlet]

i dislike that i cannot post pictures in here

[dim flame]

it isnt telling me who its from and i dont have the boon list yet (still have no bloody idea how you even get it) so i assume its dwarfbro and zues

[gusty kettle]

Which boon do you guys prefer for sister blades omega special DPS

[plucky inlet]

yes

[dim flame]

nice, cheers

[plucky inlet]

np

[dim flame]

i figured it wouldnt but im about to fight the big man and i want to make sure considering im spamming staff special with zues's primer

[spare kite]

Gotta use embeds for pics

[plucky inlet]

im aware of how, but its also annoying

[spare kite]

Fair

[civic ocean]

It depends.

Think of the omega special as several small instances of attacks. So it scales off of flat damage and % based damage increases.

If I have a hammer that is already providing a flat damage increase, or if I'm trying to, for example, Focus on Hestia's Elemental Boon to increase the daggers' base damage, then I'm looking at a % increase like Aph or Apollo (generally Apollo - I want his fire boons, too, for Hestia)

[gusty kettle]

Apollo has fire boons?

Oh the infusions

[dire forge]

yeah it just happened that i was doing kinda this build and i got to chronos pretty fast but it was my 2nd fight with him so kinda got deleted

[graceful sable]

Okay Pan Blades kinda boolin rn

Chronos was easy since he spends a lot of time standing still second phase

[dire forge]

Idk im eating a lot of his abilities for some reason

[graceful sable]

What, is he not giving you enough Time to react?

I swear he should say something like that...

[dire forge]

yeah i got kinda impatient

[spare kite]

He gets very annoyed by your pausing at least

[cursive knot]

Kind of a late response but apollo sprint might be one of my favorite boons in the whole game. Daze feels really strong and being able to move and reposition so fast is really strong for avoiding stuff.

[dire forge]

because i gotta leave so

[civic ocean]

personally I have found that Chronos can either be very easy or very hard depending on how much he likes balls, charging, and scything vs how much he likes beams and ominous looking instakill moves that take 5 seconds to fire

[dire forge]

he was scything and charging a lot

[civic ocean]

I think that's the hard part for me so far, but I was never good at dodging things

[spare kite]

My main issue is when he chains dashes
Get back here old man

[topaz peak]

Use Poseidon

[vernal dock]

My first victory was a Whirlwind axe run with life steal and 15 damage cap. Took 450 dmg tanking the Chronos fight and only just used one defiance 😂

[topaz peak]

Especially with pan

[mild turret]

I listen to his audio and dash into him to dodge most those, sometimes doesn’t work though.

[topaz peak]

Pos or aphro

[gusty kettle]

Last run I went with aphro special pan build

[civic ocean]

I really like Apollo Hestia with Pan

[gusty kettle]

And then I accidentally primed all my magick

[dire forge]

I think fight is visually overwhelming too. Especially compared to hades 1 fights

[topaz peak]

Rip

[civic ocean]

Everything is so YELLOW

[gusty kettle]

Still won

[dire forge]

It really is

[gusty kettle]

But it couldve been so much faster

[dire forge]

Too much yellow in that fight

[cursive knot]

I really like chronos fight but yeah first few times it wasn't super clear what to do to avoid certain moves

[spare kite]

I like aph special Pan (I get the pos duo but out of habit I end up hugging the enemies anyways lmao)

[cursive knot]

Have it down pretty consistently now and it feels really fun though

[topaz peak]

I’m still in that stage

[civic ocean]

Not looking forward to turning him up by 40%

20 I can handle with the broken builds atm

[dire forge]

Bosses are much better designed imo. They should add more with patches or dlcs

[dire marsh]

I just died to Chronos for like the 5th time today with a crazy Axe build, I think he needs major fixes to how fast he throws out those scythe attacks its really ridiculous in second phase

[glossy rivet]

can you coarse grit your way through chronos' 999 damage phase 2 attack? the one where you have to stand in a circle or else he nukes you

[cursive knot]

Imo chronos on 40% wasn't as bad as I thought it would be

[topaz peak]

This is early access my guy there’s going to be more

[glossy rivet]

coarse grit that infusion that says i cant get more than 15 dmg per instance of dmg dealt to me lol

[spare kite]

Yes

[glossy rivet]

DEMETER STRONG

[dire forge]

I hope. Hades 1 has only 4 so. I dont know if they will make dlcs or not

[civic ocean]

I agree with the sentiment in a diff channel that said that basically every boss right now is really bad at dealing with you dashing behind them

[spare kite]

Coarse grit is hilarious

[civic ocean]

except Scylla obv

[cursive knot]

Yeah all of the bosses feel way less about dodging and more spacing properly

[topaz peak]

And this one currently has 6 technically 7

[spare kite]

Real

[topaz peak]

Is that a bad thing?

[cursive knot]

Like chronos if you stand the right spot boomerang axe just almost just goes around you without hitting you

[glossy rivet]

but i dont recall theseus' chariot having a reverse gear though

[cursive knot]

Thesis after chariot also struggled with you getting behind him

[gritty oasis]

whats meta for high fear runs, best i've seen so far is staff special

[tired fulcrum]

Yep its splish splash momus

[glossy rivet]

oh yeah i forgot to ask again if %cast damage boons affect things like hestia's fireball or the lightning bolts from zeus lightning lance? or scorch dot?

[cursive knot]

Momus is probably really hard to beat that thing is so busted

[gritty oasis]

i'm thinking of skulls O special but you need alot of boons for it

[dire forge]

Ngl i like sister blades

[civic ocean]

Momus is a few tiers above everything else for high fear atm ye

[dire forge]

But i usually play archers or rogues every game

[glossy rivet]

momus with what boons and/or hammers?

[civic ocean]

Posiedon is considered best atm

[tired fulcrum]

Double special hammer, a lot of poseidon

[civic ocean]

Though for really high fear you maybe want something that is % damage instead of flat

[glossy rivet]

guess ill have to give the item card for momus another read and try it soon

[tired fulcrum]

And like apollo dash or something for origination arcana

Or whatever better priv status was called

[civic ocean]

It's Orig

[cursive knot]

I saw someone earlier post a 50 fear run earlier with it

[glossy rivet]

u guys still use priv status? it looks like applying 2 curses is harder now in hades 2

[cursive knot]

Eh not really

[tired fulcrum]

Poseidon has slip

[civic ocean]

much much easier

[quick osprey]

freeze and hitch

[cursive knot]

Lots of ways to get second status

[civic ocean]

Demeter can do it alone now

[tired fulcrum]

And then like almost every god has a status

Also its 50% instead of 40% and its not competing with family favorite

[glossy rivet]

yeah i mean like aphro or apollo attacks dont apply curse without another boon

do u guys use furies/more damage to casted enemies

[tired fulcrum]

Well this is momus with poseidon

[cursive knot]

Lowkey apollo dash feels like one of the best stand alone abilities that would feel great on any build

[civic ocean]

Aphro has a boon that is literally "I always apply a status to a boss" though

[tired fulcrum]

Furies on momus is very worth

[compact spoke]

The explosions from aspect of moros do 3.2x the damage of the attack. Omega attack with dire candle (hammer upgrade) does 800 damage. Does that explode for 2560 damage?

[glossy rivet]

Orig on pan dagger: hestia + pos?

too bad if i cant get slip boon though

[civic ocean]

I like Apollo Dash Hestia/Demeter cast

[quick osprey]

I'm just going to avoid momus for now; Eos seems a little strong too even though it's torches

[tired fulcrum]

Slip isnt hard to get like you start with 10 rerolls

[cursive knot]

Feel like momus has an edge for heat stuff too just based off of never using any magick.

[glossy rivet]

what are ur arcanas

lemme see a screencap

also im still hunting for 2x dark for the 30th grasp slot

[civic ocean]

I go really deep into Strength Antler stuff with Momus to make it more fun

so I don't usually take Pos special

[tired fulcrum]

Mine are funny because of antler strats

[bleak night]

Antler strats are fun

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1239109082800066633/image.png?ex=6641b9c2&is=66406842&hm=37aeeeb05cf0ab41f0162adb3951c7c9b0b9d818a40b13a4152eb72105eec70a& antler strats arcana

[glossy rivet]

gimme a sec i got a normie arcana setup though idk how to fit origination there

[cursive knot]

I should try antler strats sounds fun

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234406186208596028/1239109726302769202/20240512145926_1.jpg?ex=6641ba5c&is=664068dc&hm=d18b77afb3a4ed8a089dc0bf0b91af2a799a2ad3d3836a946419036c2ed5ce0d& not an antler build but idk

what should i disable for origination?

also whats rank 3 antler stats?

[spare kite]

40%

[cursive knot]

I'm a sorceress hater but ik a lot of people like it

[glossy rivet]

do i disable IV/death perhaps? though it'll also disable the epic boons arcana

maybe ill swap the lovers/X with origination after i get 30 grasp

[warm mural]

What is like, the easiest build to win lol. I'm strugglin so bad

[timber verge]

How do I deal damage if I don't get aphrodite? It seems like the other gods don't even come close with the lack of scaling and boon options in general.

[mint cedar]

Aphro has no damage when far though

But it depends on weapon

[mint cedar]

I think staff is popular

With Poseidon on special and double special or something

[modern yacht]

I like demeter or a high level hephestus

[mint cedar]

Hephaestus is basically his own weapon

[timber verge]

That doesn't sound particularly good

[spare kite]

Poseidon is pretty good in a lot of stuff, other people run stuff like dem + smth else for the origination card

[shell swan]

Whats the best attack boon w/ aspect of eos?

[glossy rivet]

is hestia-poseidon duo good tho?

the steam curse one

[warm rivet]

Does flood control make me immune to dmg from things like rats which only deal really little dmg? Or is min dmg u take 1?

[shell swan]

aspect of momus + poseidon special, just spam regular special attacks

it works best with the hammer upgrade that makes your specials fire 2 homing attacks, doubling dps, but its still very strong without it