h2-builds-and-combat

[thin lantern]

Cyclone sprint is the best non apollo dash outside of Eris fight, soot sprint is good for Eris and not as much outside

[zenith bolt]

soot sprint trolls a few of chronos' attacks

[bleak night]

I suppose it does slow them, yeah

[heavy flame]

Can't you combo soot sprint and cyclone?

[zenith bolt]

they both use the sprint slot

[heavy flame]

I coulda sworn I had both.

[zenith bolt]

you can get cyclone from casting as well tho

[heavy flame]

which is probaby the best source for it

Cyclone makes a ton of encounters 10x easier.

Between freeze and cyclone, I don't see why I wouldnt start with demeter every run

[zenith bolt]

demeter is up there for really good utility

[stoic ridge]

having 2 dot boons on the cast at the same time feels good

[zenith bolt]

hestia has a good chunk of utility too

• her cast fireball is very convenient
• hearth gain is arguably the best magick regen boon
• soot sprint

[rare brook]

I really like zeus cast

[knotty fulcrum]

@bleak night you were talking about aspect of artemis on the blades right? Could you tell me what build I should try?

ah oops it wasn't you sorry for the ping

[wise wadi]

dude

i cant seem to unlock aspects, i killed headmistress with all 4 weapons

[cursive knot]

Soot sprint is super nice tbh

[bleak night]

yeah, lol. I'm kinda bad at those

if you want something regarding the Axe and the Staff tho lmk lol

[celest swallow]

yeah hearth gain and soot sprint are always so good to grab if possible

[knotty fulcrum]

I think I read what you were saying about the axe. Hera attack and demeter cast right? Any other specific thing (maybe some hammer)?

[cloud scarab]

beating Eri was super easy compared to Chronos

[cursive knot]

Tbf eris isn't meant to be the final boss of surface

[proven spire]

Dont mess up like I did and take Ionic Gain and Static Shock. Supposed to be a spin to win, now I just chop because I have 10 Magick.

[wise wadi]

what does hitch do

[cursive knot]

Its kind of like rama bow from hades 1, splits damage between enemies

[zenith bolt]

enemies afflicted with hitch take a portion of the damage nearby enemies take

[heavy flame]

How are people using the spin? I find I end up taking little chunks of damage constantly charging it. I don't like how slow and methodical it requires you to be

[cursive knot]

Practice spacing, dont get greedy

[zenith bolt]

outside of chronos, charging it is usually free with the sorceress

[wise wadi]

so basically like rama aspect from hades got it

[rare brook]

Was it heart and magick for boon?

[zenith bolt]

hearth gain is -20% hp for good magick regen

[celest swallow]

reduces max hp for big constant magick regen

[zenith bolt]

that one is burnt offering i think

[dense drift]

Hi all. Does Apollo's boon that lets you deal more damage until you take damage mean:

1. The moment you are hit (Armor or health)
2. The moment you take damage to your health, not armor.

[rare brook]

Oh yes, this is worth

[cursive knot]

I dont even use sorceress, just get as many spins as you can safely and space around enemies range

[bleak night]

I mostly only do Omega Attack builds, but Psychic Whirlwind is pretty much S+ tier in terms of what you can get on Axe, besides that,

• Concentrated Whirlwind (+2 damage when hitting the same foe you've been hitting before, stackable),
• Furious Whirlwind (when doing an Omega Attack, move 60% faster. It also channels it a lot quicker to max)

Pitfall: Advancing Whirlwind. This turns your Omega Attack into some kind of projectile that moves forward, but it does not allow you to dash out of your spins anymore

[zenith bolt]

i assume it means actual damage taken, so barriers and dodges no break but health and armor yes break

[heavy flame]

I don't like that magika regen, requires you to just do nothing while it works

[celest swallow]

that's the demeter one, people were talking about hestia's

but yeah that one is underwhelming

[dense drift]

Darn, was hoping armor would negate the loss of effect.
Thanks!

[heavy flame]

Yea, I tried hestia with wand attack and it doesn't work until you let go of attack

[celest swallow]

? hestia's just gives big passive constant regen

[zenith bolt]

that goes for most magick regen effects i believe

[bleak night]

I should probably get more people to go for Apollo Sprint

[zenith bolt]

the only one that wouldnt is like, spirit bubbles i guess

[celest swallow]

but yeah, all regen is stalled if you're actively spamming if that's what you mean

[cursive knot]

Advanced whirlwind felt so bad. Honestly I might prefer concentrated and furious over psychic

[rare brook]

What are good builds for staff? Sorry to repeat myself, it's just universal wespon to me

[zenith bolt]

advancing whirlwind is really bad for omega attack

[bleak night]

What I like about Psychic is I can choose to charge another for a double-Omega Attack (yeah, it stacks), or I can shield while it's happening

[cursive knot]

Yeah I tried it once, used it for one room and reset

[celest swallow]

but like, just dashing to reposition will get regen going again and then back to spamming

[zenith bolt]

like run-killing bad imo

[bleak night]

It's pretty bad yeah

[heavy flame]

Posieden zues was fun on staff. Air infusion makes you do bonkers damage.

[rare brook]

Oh yes, blinding enemies plus faster sprint feels so good

[cursive knot]

Wait you can charge another? Idk why I didn't think of that nvm sounds busted

[zenith bolt]

apollo sprint is a hard adjustment

[thin lantern]

So Advancing Whirlwind becomes Guan Yu throw? I'm confused as to what can make that not good.

[rare brook]

Ummm... what does this fusion does?

[knotty fulcrum]

Ok thanks. I will try it asap. Also what aspect should I use?

[zenith bolt]

cant cancel your spins with like anything, it kinda sucks

[bleak night]

Even though you've thrown out the whirlwind animation, your character herself is still spinning like an idiot, and you can't dash cancel it

[cursive knot]

Idk if it was bugged but I kept spinning while axe was just moving away from me

So you wind up spinning with no axe around you protecting and killing the stuff near you

[zenith bolt]

i believe that's how it's intended to work :/

[wild igloo]

couple of runs in and got to test lots of diff builds. going to try for my first clear. best build you all already got for high damage? i already phased chronos on my last run so i wanna try something new

[celest swallow]

sounds worth F10'ing

[bleak night]

Psychic Whirlwind run video https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238190900782301335/weird_Apollo_Axe.mp4?ex=663e62a3&is=663d1123&hm=3a3df7df09a877cc5a162bf3dd6ed0bf701c986eaff7561089fe709bb8926a14

[zenith bolt]

because if it just let you bail it would be psychic whirlwind 2

[heavy flame]

Air infusion from zues makes all damage do minimum 30. So posiedan attack, spear attack, zues lightning bolt, all deal min 30. So now every spear attack does 90 damage.

Combine with demeter cast and just spam attack at then.

[cursive knot]

Idk i hope they change it because as it stands its borderline un usable

[rare brook]

Oh, I got it once, pretty neat

[zenith bolt]

agree

[thin lantern]

Oh big yike, I feel like that should be bug reported. That sounds too godsawful to be intended ngl

[bleak night]

yeah, it does look funny though

[rare brook]

I was focusing on apollo and zeus, but apollo and demeter feel pretty good too

[thin lantern]

Please record it for the meme

[bleak night]

if I find it again, sure

[rare brook]

Still not sure about Poseidon, knocking back enemies seems clunkcy, unless if from sprint, sprint feels good

[knotty fulcrum]

sorry for spamming but I wanna try a run right know and...

[stoic ridge]

damage from poseidon boons is amazing on fast attacking weapons like the staff special

[celest swallow]

tbf the knockback is just a bonus, it's all about the flat dmg on fast-hitting attacks/specials and then splash

basically taking the zeus niche from 1 almost lol

[stoic ridge]

what aspects do you have unlocked

[zenith bolt]

is poseidon special on pan knives worth

[stoic ridge]

except with like 4 times more damage

[celest swallow]

yes to both above me

[knotty fulcrum]

I can unlock charon. and of course I have melinoe

[heavy flame]

I only run demeter on knives.. I hate taking damage from armored swarms

[stoic ridge]

charon is weird and really only works while in your omega cast, but its up to you if you want to try it

[bleak night]

I really want to play Charon Axe, but I just really can't get into it

[cursive knot]

I liked it the first run or two I did with it but felt kind of one dimensional

[zenith bolt]

yeah idk for it. it seems focused on just casting instead of actually using the axe so like ehhhhhh????

[stoic ridge]

constantly spamming omega cast gets annoying

[knotty fulcrum]

So is the recovery speed of melinoe aspect usefull or ?

[cursive knot]

Then I tried thanatos and never went back

[heavy flame]

Can you list out the key boons for your axe build? I would like to try it.

[knotty fulcrum]

Also how do you get the dark for thanathos?

[celest swallow]

i appreciate its existence as the only real cast-focused aspect, but yeah it's definitely niche for that purpose

[stoic ridge]

i still have yet to unlock thanatos, chaos needs to give me darkness

[zenith bolt]

usually i grab

• demeter attack
• weed killer (demeter)
• hestia magick regen
  to get started on axe spin

you can kinda get away with no magick regen boon in erebus

[cursive knot]

Tbh can do so many different things and be fine with axe

[zenith bolt]

weed killer is the big cheese though because it's such a massive damage boost

[thin lantern]

I wish scorch could be good without a friggin' legendary boon to back it up

[cursive knot]

Anything that hits kinda hard feels good esp if you get weed killer or good hammers

[thin lantern]

Seriously, scorch is the most curse of all time

[bleak night]

sometimes, entering Chaos' domain just has Darkness floating in there

[zenith bolt]

well there's the "enemies with 300 scorch explode and use up all remaining scorch with a % of the effect" boon

[bleak night]

don't even need to use the pick or the shovel for it, it's just floating there

[warm rivet]

Does revive not work at the chronos fight? Ik wrong chat but #h2-discussion isn’t helping

[zenith bolt]

death defiances do work

[heavy flame]

The boon that gives a damage chunk upon gaining 300 scorch.. lol worthless. Never getting up to 300 scorch

[zenith bolt]

depends on your weapon of choice. pan daggers can do it

[warm rivet]

Ty

[zenith bolt]

for slower stuff im inclined to agree

[thin lantern]

Well yeah, but then you need to have two boons to make it into a potentially worse Blitz.

[zenith bolt]

i guess

[heavy flame]

I tried scorch on wand special plus cast and couldn't do it.

[zenith bolt]

poseidon sweep for real

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238425719273422848/image.png?ex=663f3d54&is=663debd4&hm=2a80003ee1e52c0d7ebb5ccd253cd6b3d1069be45b1a30a405c6733c61ccb17a&

[thin lantern]

I hate how excess scorch is wasted over time.

[frosty ruin]

I would just go for a cast boom on hestia for a slow weapon or avoid her entirely. Seems goofy to do otherwise

[thin lantern]

Like... If you stop attacking, the scorch meter just runs down. So what's the point even

[bleak night]

I think it runs down because the scorch actually eats the HP it's meant to eat/sec

[frosty ruin]

Isn’t that it doing damage tho?

[zenith bolt]

this conversation is one of many reasons i wish scorch was made clearer. i already wrote out a whole feedback for it, but still

[jade swan]

scorch is basically DoT

[earnest nacelle]

running down is it dealing damage

[heavy flame]

It ticks down too quickly to be easy to build up. It needs to deal damage less often.

[earnest nacelle]

the number is the 'stored' damage that will be dealt over time

[frosty ruin]

It’s just a somewhat slow poison. It does that damage unless the boss goes invul

[thin lantern]

Last I checked, though, it scales down faster than the total damage. Like I stopped attacking a dude whose HP bar was full orange, and the monster stopped dying after a while

[bleak night]

I did a Momus Scorch build and somehow my Special was still most of the damage, while Scorch was only a little bit over half of it. It's definitely not that good

[earnest nacelle]

scorch is fixed at 40dps so it's not that good

[stoic ridge]

why deal 40 scorch a second when you can deal like 40 base damage with poseidon boons every single hit

[bleak night]

Mine was doing 80 because of the legendary iirc

[thin lantern]

I could be mistaken, but I could swear you can straight up just have it decay instead

[heavy flame]

This is exactly what I did. Very disappointed with it. All that investing in hestia and it just wasn't good.

[frosty ruin]

Don’t get why they set such a low cap that you can’t increase at all

[earnest nacelle]

even if you deal 80 scorch per hit, it will only tick down at 40/s

[thin lantern]

I kinda wish scorch scaled its DPS off the total damage or something.

[knotty fulcrum]

How do you restore your mana tho?

[bleak night]

Hestia's honestly just a really good boon to have for support stuff

[thin lantern]

No, the legendary makes it 80dps

[cursive knot]

Steam actually felt really good though

[zenith bolt]

scorch (hestia curse) crash course

• scorch is almost always 40 fixed dps, no more, no less
• "scorch damage" refers to the amount of scorch each hit applies to an enemy
• the only thing that increases scorch dps is hestia's legendary boon, as well as the boon that causes enemies to explode at 300 scorch

[earnest nacelle]

oh you mean hestia's

[heavy flame]

Agreed. I run hestia demeter most runs for the utility alone

[thin lantern]

Steam hilariously is what scorch wishes it was

[covert ice]

why does chain lightning sometimes not proc? do you need more than one foe in the room or something

[earnest nacelle]

yea but that still doesn't seem that much

[bleak night]

can probs do the Apollo one where you gain mana by staying in your cast. Considering there's an Arcana that boosts damage to enemies inside your cast by 30%, it's really good synergy

[cursive knot]

Steam kinda melted stuff the one run I used it. Felt very strong

[bleak night]

it really doesn't, yeah.

[zenith bolt]

i wish cast lasted a bit longer

[thin lantern]

Meanwhile you have something incredibly stupid like the Apollo Zeus duo boon, which turns your cast into a giant plasma zappy field so intense it can crash weak PCs.

[zenith bolt]

its like 0.8 of an axe spin smh

[thin lantern]

That one does ungodly dps and is already going to be on the best cast in the game

[zenith bolt]

save me hera

[bleak night]

you don't really need to fully charge it all the time tho

[cursive knot]

Cast length fine imo if it lasted too long would be hard to reposition it

[zenith bolt]

true, but im still annoyed

[bleak night]

You know something

[thin lantern]

Oh, would you like your death laser to also be electrified and print chain lightning across the entire room?

[cursive knot]

Like when I tried hera cast felt awful to not be able to move cause it was stuck somewhere else

[thin lantern]

If they let us reposition it that would instantly make hera cast at least usable.

[zenith bolt]

artemis doesnt even have a legendary in this game so sad

[bleak night]

Charon Axe's cast is 3 seconds longer than usual on the ground, no ? Imagine using that and ignoring what the Cast-Cleave does just so you can spin to win a lot more effectively lol

[zenith bolt]

yeah but then i lose thanatos crits so ehhhh

[bleak night]

alr true

[thin lantern]

As it is, hera cast is the absolute worst and barely usable

[frosty ruin]

Can you even see Artemis more than once in a run?

[cursive knot]

Scythe looks cool

[zenith bolt]

i dont think

[bleak night]

Nope, I've never seen her more than once

[thin lantern]

Hera cast needs a rework. Full rework

[zenith bolt]

feedback channel is over there

[stoic ridge]

it activly makes your cast worse

[frosty ruin]

Damn they nerfed my girl too hard

[bleak night]

Hera ?

her other boons are kind of disgustingly good though

[frosty ruin]

No Arty lmao. I wanna see her more

[cursive knot]

Yeah its not great, would be fine if it just applied hitch

[thin lantern]

Deadass, Hera cast is only good on Cerberus. And maybe Scylla?

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah. Arty's been relegated to a crit support boon-giver, unless you get Support Fire

[cursive knot]

I need to do a hera axe run that sounds fun.

[frosty ruin]

Maybe once in a run if I get lucky and it’s probably only a common boon sucks

[bleak night]

DO IT

[thin lantern]

If it did hitch everyone inside it that would be good. What the hell is with "deals damage to new spawns" that's janky af

[bleak night]

Hera Axe, Demeter Special and Cast, Apollo Sprint

[thin lantern]

Love how support fire continues to be exactly as busted as it used to be

[bleak night]

it's honestly so fun to play it, my god I wanna go again but I just did that earlier

[zenith bolt]

legit if it was just "your cast lasts longer and you can recast it at any time (replacing the previous)" it would be still quite good qol for me

[bleak night]

True, yeah

[frosty ruin]

Is support fire the same? I haven’t seen it yet

[zenith bolt]

pretty much

[thin lantern]

You know what feels... Like a missed opportunity? There's no such thing as a projectile freezing Cast.

Oh wait. Cyclone is 60% slow.

But like, some kind of trap and reflect... Maybe Athena will have that

[cursive knot]

Will try it out. Honestly demeter feels so good with cyclones

[frosty ruin]

That cyclone is so good

[zenith bolt]

demeter is like all great except her magick regen

[thin lantern]

Demeter has a few boons that feel abysmal and a few that feel godtier, like cast cyclone is incredible

[zenith bolt]

tranquil gain is unironically one of, if not the worst, boon in the game imo

[thin lantern]

Eh, her health for seeds thing is ultra niche.

[frosty ruin]

Don’t like the sprint as much but the cast boons are stupid good. Tho personally I prefer to do Hestia cast with Cyclone on it

[zenith bolt]

actually if you bring shovel often it can be quite good

[thin lantern]

Hey, it's not worse than a lone hestia attack, kek

[zenith bolt]

eh. it pushing out other magick regen boons hurts more i think

[thin lantern]

Well yeah the niche is getting it at the start of a run with one single tool

[zenith bolt]

at least scorch can contribute to the 2 curses arcana card

[thin lantern]

Tranquil gain would be fine if it were 0.5s

[zenith bolt]

it would be fine if it was just not moving, not doing literally nothing

[thin lantern]

Or that yeah

Also. Local climate is very confusing.

I genuinely have no clue how to make that useful.

[faint prairie]

anyone care to explain how aspect of persephone works for argent skull? i did a run to chronos and noticed no difference from regular argent skull

[celest swallow]

would be a neat risk vs reward thing of staying stationary and regenerating a ton while nonstop spinning with the axe lol

[mystic jetty]

Is there more builds than in hades 1?

[bleak night]

btw

[zenith bolt]

it being "completely afk while you wait for 3 seconds for your magick bar to refill" is impractical at best

[bleak night]

if you can, try putting Heph onto your Special slot

it's so funny to tap the Axe special and do 400 damage, then walk away with no lag

because the shield itself does 15 damage in melee range

[cursive knot]

I did that earlier on an apollo run actually after you mentioned it!

[frosty ruin]

Scorch should probably have something like double the damage cap if you use an omega ability or something. So applies double and does double. Might make it better one some stuff it’s pretty bad on

[thin lantern]

Is there a hammer that turns the Axe shield into an actual drill, btw

[bleak night]

You want me to try to do a build where I just spam the shield button to kill ?

[thin lantern]

Like we really absolutely need a Giga Drill Breaker axe hammer

[bleak night]

I'll do it on no Fear just to see if it works lol

[thin lantern]

I'm just wondering if a hammer massively increases its size and damage or something

[cursive knot]

Also fun fact dont use the drill when you forget you have a chaos boon that damages you every special.

[bleak night]

none for the base shield, no. Just the omega

[cursive knot]

Kills you very fast

[thin lantern]

It would be amazing if we had one that just added a giant hitbox, removed deflect and omega attack, and like 2x or 3x base power

[frosty ruin]

Oh man now I just want a Pile Bunker weapon

[thin lantern]

I want an actual drillfist axe hammer/aspect

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238488294560632832/image.png?ex=663f779b&is=663e261b&hm=0dc623ba625678ecf18de6009e5b8053ee63336df7e78ecc6c542845d9039b9b& nvm there's two that boost base shield

alright, guess I'm doing this

[thin lantern]

Kek

Let's go. Poseidon special...?

[zenith bolt]

the fated special axe build

[thin lantern]

No wait. That would knock things out of the blender maybe...

[frosty ruin]

Wow +50% damage is kinda nuts for how easy that is to use. Does that only apply to the special or is it everything?

[cursive knot]

P sure its everything

[thin lantern]

Everything I believe, but you have to actually block something, not just deal damage.

[vestal bear]

Aphro special then? Inside the blender has gotta vount as close range

[frosty ruin]

Also 35% armor shred is hilarious when you can just blender it off

[cursive knot]

Used it on Charon apollo cast spam run to eris

[thin lantern]

Well yeah it's the closest range you can get besides daggers lmao

[bleak night]

I'll come back after the run with vids

[thin lantern]

Empowering is just a generally great hammer. It works on pretty much any axe build and is the best of the "this isn't part of my build but whatever" ones I think

[cursive knot]

Yeah also doesn't mess anything up with your moveset in a potentially negative way

[dreamy inlet]

ok seriously skull is awful gameplay

being locked out of attacking is ridicules, it doesnt even do that much damage to compensate for this hidious drawback

its the most unfun of all weapons by far its not even close

[zenith bolt]

omega special is invuln, i think it's supposed to be like weave in weave out

[dreamy inlet]

im assuming its not while you channel it so

too long to be exposed conisidering the range on that thing isnt super generous

[inland chasm]

hey guys is there a way to cancel the 3rd hit animation of the axe?

[thin lantern]

Honestly I find it incredibly fun. Especially with the absolute nonsense that is full salvo charged attack

[inland chasm]

im trying to use the hold to attack axe hammer but i keep going into the 3rd hit each time

[thin lantern]

There is one thing I dislike about the skull: None of the aspects prioritize Omega Attack

@bleak night were you the one who had the artillery strike omega attack skull build or was that someone else

[cloud scarab]

does hell splitter replace my special or anything? Or is it really just +300 flat damage to my attack with the axe?

[orchid merlin]

Do you know how to get a kign tide from posaidon?

[simple compass]

Overall I'd say that if I had one negative about the skull, it's that the omega attack isn't really distinct enough from the regular attack. It's just a slightly boosted version that takes extra time and mana rather than a move with a different use like many weapons have

[orchid merlin]

King Tide*

[thin lantern]

It has impeccable style, which is worth infinite points

also it goes over obstacles and all I think

[simple compass]

It replaces the whole axe combo with just a single attack that does 300 base damage.

[dense dirge]

Anyone got a build for folks who struggle to use dash strike (because hand-coordination and reaction time is difficult for my friend.)?

[simple compass]

Great sound for the charge-up on it too

[zenith bolt]

you can hold dash to sprint and that works for dash strike too

[cloud scarab]

hmm that sounds nice, not a big fan of the combo anyway... but I am mainly focusing on spinning... so probably will rather take the quicker charge up time boon then

[simple compass]

I think Hades 2 is pretty good for that, compare to 1 it feels like dash striking is way less important

[zenith bolt]

but axe spin is pretty simple and doesnt really need that much to work

[thin lantern]

good ol' bowling ball STRIKE

er that's a misping ow

[simple compass]

In 1 it felt like you were always doing it wrong if you weren't spamming dash strikes when playing melee. 2 has way more ranged builds and builds that use the omega attack charging

[cloud scarab]

oh god I went for the attack... but jfc it is slow... what have I done 😄

I thought this could be the run xD

[thin lantern]

Wait. Wait. Is that the koopa shell sound when the skull omega attack hits something

[cursive knot]

Honestly I'm loving the combat, feel like its only going to get better too as they polish and react to feedback.

[thin lantern]

It is. I love this game. I love this weapon.

[wet nova]

apollo zeus duo is the only cast I could make work lol, everytime I tried zeus on main cast it felt like damage was too low

aspect of charon is pretty pog tho

[thin lantern]

So, Skull Omega attack can go over tall obstacles. That's its thing

[simple compass]

It's just a different way to play - you have to wait for openings more but when you hit, it hits hard

[cursive knot]

I need to do some skull runs and get better at them. Feels a lot like cast builds from the first game and I was never super into those.

[wet nova]

Yh Its better than Rails rocket cos it doesnt get blocked so easily

[thin lantern]

Also. Bigger AOE, bigger damage, more reliable, goes exactly where you point instead of bouncing across the floor. Omega charge does plenty to distinguish itself from the base.

[dense dirge]

I haven't had a chance to play H2 yet, but I remenber dash strike being important for either spear/fist in H1.
But yeah. Watching my friend not being able to use DS makes me ponder which weapon would they suffer from the most in H2

[simple compass]

Skull got a lot better for me when I stopped thinking of it as a ranged build and started shooting it point blank into enemies' faces and then special/dashing through them

[thin lantern]

The rocket 'upgrade' for it does negate that advantage, but the upside is that it's stupid fast like the rail rocket and does an actual damage bonus

[bronze bear]

does Queen's Ransom give up Zeus' duo boons as well?

[thin lantern]

I refuse to treat skull like a melee weapon off Medea, and I will only consider it a replacement for my beloved Galleon Mortar.

[dense dirge]

Like- Which weapon is more reliant on dash strike than others.

[cursive knot]

I dont feel like any really are

[thin lantern]

I can't possibly overstate how much I loved the mortar in Bastion

[slate zodiac]

If I'm being honest, probably Axe

But none of them spam it

Also, hi Felis. Fancy seeing you here too

[simple compass]

Dash strike was huge on spear/fist/sword for a lot of builds, and Artemis having the dash strike specific stuff made it really powerful. In 2, I know there are dash strike hammers for the axe - which is pretty good - and staff - which I'm unconvinced by, and haven't seen boons that are dash strike specific. Having only one dash automatically makes it less relevant anyway. Hades 2 is probably less input intense overall, I think.

[slate zodiac]

I think omega attack is more important of staff. You can sneak in one dash attack after each omega I guess

[celest swallow]

yeah, axe is the only one where it's more noticeably helpful when not just spamming omega spin lol

[thin lantern]

lmao hi, I knew you looked familiar

[slate zodiac]

Remnant 2

[mystic bison]

This is situational but there is a great staff hammer that makes the dash strike deal 60% more dmg to armor. Not hard to pull off and you don't need to be dash striking constantly.

[celest swallow]

yeah that's the other time i used it a lot lol

[slate zodiac]

I don't like using omega attack on Axe tbh. I feel like it's too easy to punish

[surreal gust]

What does +power mean in Hades? is +4 power basically just +4 damage per hit? or is it scaled differently?
wouldn't be fair for slow but hard hitting weapons

[slate zodiac]

Flat damage yeah

[surreal gust]

aw man

[zenith bolt]

power is flat damage increase before percent boosts iirc

[simple compass]

'Power' is their term for base damage, it seems

[surreal gust]

that sucks

[slate zodiac]

It's really good for dual blades

[surreal gust]

only good for fast hitters
ye dual blades

[celest swallow]

i mean, you can always dash out of axe omega attack unless you take that one hammer that apparently doesn't let you, so it's easy to abort and reposition and not get punished

[surreal gust]

i have a build with the axe rn and i accidentally picked that... oh well
waste of a boon

[slate zodiac]

What's everyone's favorite weapon atm? I'm loving Melinoe staff

[surreal gust]

dual blades lol

[thin lantern]

Actually, power is a LOT of value because it's before % increases.

[zenith bolt]

axe

[surreal gust]

i like all weapons, mostly dual blades, but i really hate the two sticks with the magic, i think it is the worst weapon in hades 2
has to be reworked...

[cursive knot]

Thanatos axe by far #1 for me

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238495084232835183/image.png?ex=663f7dee&is=663e2c6e&hm=0e60786c4da7a9f8e4270f200a40bc5de6256bc8328fb537be5a91fdf98c6ecf why is Narcissus in Echo's domain

[celest swallow]

i haven't settled on a favorite yet, i like things about all of them at this rate

[simple compass]

I took that hammer once and it's so bad I feel like not dashing must be some sort of bug. Made my run unplayble without even mentioning the downside

[slate zodiac]

I tried dashing out of it multiple times and it wouldn't let me

Not sure what I'm doing wrong

[cursive knot]

Gz story progress

[surreal gust]

i am sad that there is no more double or tripple dash like in hades 1
hermes is now useless

i used to pick hermes all the time, now i avoid him

[cursive knot]

Honestly I'm fine with the not double dashing

[simple compass]

There's a hammer which says it makes the spin go out in front of you and do extra damage, but it also makes it impossible to dash - maybe you had that

[zenith bolt]

+10% dodge is +10% dodge, i aint complaining about hermes

[surreal gust]

also i couldn't get a zeus x poseidon duo with electricity plus ripple like in hades 1, used to be a great combination

[cursive knot]

Glad the combat actually feels a bit different

[slate zodiac]

Hermes and useless are not words that should be used in the same sentence

[mystic bison]

I think the basic attack on it is a trap and the main dmg source is actually spamming the special. But the problem here is it overflows the screen with a lot of flames and I can barely see anything. I probably won't be playing the torches much.

[simple compass]

Same, absolutely, I think the power of 2 dashes changes the design space and I don't want to be spamming it really. But it's a shame Hermes does feel less valuable as a result.

[slate zodiac]

Maybe? I'm playing an Axe build where I disabled omega attack but attacks are faster. I'll try in the training grounds I guess

[zenith bolt]

basic attack is good with the "sprint to return" aspect

[surreal gust]

so are u just supposed to spam special and focus on avoiding enemy bullets and not look at what you are hitting?

[thin lantern]

The wands have a high learning curve but they're very strong, lmao

[slate zodiac]

Thanatos Axe? I guess learning how to spam spin attacks helps a ton huh? I've been using Melinoe Axe

[surreal gust]

i never had a good wands run

[thin lantern]

Also, the aspects are where you go to use the attack (and it's STUPID powerful on moros and eos), melinoe torches exist for special yeah

[surreal gust]

i usually give up early with them bc it is too painful to play with them and i start a new run with better weapons

[slate zodiac]

Er...wands or torches?

[surreal gust]

torches

[simple compass]

Melinoe axe feels good for me because the axe doesn't really need extra damage, it needs to be less slow

[surreal gust]

whatever you wanna call them i dislike them a lot

[cursive knot]

Eos torches kinda good but doesn't feel as fun

[surreal gust]

btw this game is so fkin addicting i already have like 30 hours in it

[cursive knot]

Just holding down attack every encounter permanently

[slate zodiac]

Is that the explosion one? That's the only torch aspect I "enjoy"

[cursive knot]

Nah the one where they return on dashes

[dense dirge]

axe is an od one, slow but devastating damage.
It took her couple of runs to figure out that axe has a cone shield for the long range attack.
(tbh I wouldn' know either if I wasn't watching the animation cycle of said attack to figure it out.)

[mystic bison]

Yeah you can't really aim a particular enemy with it, which is also why I don't like it much. I heard some people like to pick Demeter on special too

[slate zodiac]

Ah, the Xayah LoL one

[simple compass]

The torches feel bad to me because their moveset is really bland. You just spam a projectile attack and hold omega to... spam more projectile attack, and special to do spinny projectiles and hold to... have them stay a bit longer. It feels like everything they can do is basically one projectile spam button

[cursive knot]

Yeah my thumb is permanently on attack button with them

[simple compass]

Compared to the dynamic nature of the other weapons, torches feel super undercooked

[cursive knot]

Unless casting to get status

[mystic bison]

Interesting, I'll focus on mastering the Melinoe aspects on all weapons first before I move on to aspects though

[distant ocean]

They have no real back-up plan to them, they're like a symptom to the problem that is not getting hammers.

or desirable cast effects.

[celest swallow]

yeah i'd definitely say if you ever take it again and experience it it just in case, it sounds so wrong and bad

[thin lantern]

It's odd to me how people say torch moves suck, but no one says that about momus, which is literally mash one button to win the game

[zenith bolt]

all the other aspects use their own stuff to rank up anyway so theres no real worry with spending mats on melinoe stuff

[surreal gust]

i just lost against chronos rip

[zenith bolt]

is torch poseidon real or is aphro or smth the way

[tiny goblet]

I feel you man

[zenith bolt]

for basic attack build not special

[cursive knot]

Tbh I havent even tried momus because it sounds boring

[simple compass]

Chronos has got hands. Makes Hades look easy by comparison

[celest swallow]

the torches are very fun, and even if on controller where it can get stuck aiming one way the whole time you can just stop holding the button, reposition, go back to spamming attack if you're doing an attack-heavy build. but also special spam is just hilariously enjoyable with endless ballerina spins

[mystic bison]

Nah I meant more like mastering the moveset, not necessarily upgrading them fully. I wanna clear the game with all of them (except Melinoe torch) first

[zenith bolt]

that's fair, although some of the aspects are decently game changing

mel torch is imo one of the better mel aspects

bc it enables special spam

[cursive knot]

I think I'm just a fan of seeing very big bursts of damage, why thanatos and pan feel so good to me

[mystic bison]

What is your go to build for Mel Torches?

[zenith bolt]

aphro special and pray (lol)

aphro special gets pretty silly boost though

i think i've gotten up to like +230% damage with it

[mystic bison]

Doesn't aphro special make you easier to hit since you gotta be near enemies though? What about Apollo (more aoe - easier to hit enemies) or Demeter (freezes them)?

[zenith bolt]

i mean, if you're using omega special at all you're gonna have to get closer anyway, shrug

[tulip sonnet]

hey! can i ask what the demeter/zeus duo boon... does?

[zenith bolt]

but yes demeter is good too

[mystic bison]

True the omega kinda cointeracts it. But armored enemies gonna be tough.

[zenith bolt]

yeah fair

[mystic bison]

What happened to me is that I can't dodge as easily because the flames (special) clutter up the screen

[tulip sonnet]

does it just proc blitz for every enemy when it goes off?

[wet nova]

charon can do the same if you set the cast up

[mystic bison]

Tbh I'll try a few more times to see if I vibe with the torches. My first clear was the staff, next up are the knives. I'll probably do them in order so the torches are after.

[bleak night]

@thin lantern @main tulip @frosty ruin @zenith bolt .... Why is it actually so good wtf. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238498375444463679/AXE_DRILL.mp4?ex=663f80fe&is=663e2f7e&hm=3f94341a83c8d17922106e266fa4c8e61f2d29126fd8f36bc773d83b225dd0aa

[cursive knot]

Yeah Charon not bad but apollo cast lowkey hurts my eyes. And if using axe is hard not to use thanatos

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1238498484454424650/8mb.video-vzT-vYgvmPA7.mp4?ex=663f8118&is=663e2f98&hm=09847f790381f1490269668408d1af03139dd6de220bcfeb787b459b93fd8dcc& probably the quickest phase 2 ive ever done lol

[wet nova]

yh true

[zenith bolt]

axe is literally just that good

[wild pine]

She alternates between hitting everything close to her and everything far away. But if she's off screen you won't see that there is a zone of safety near her

[thin lantern]

Your drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens!

[bleak night]

Chronos battle time, I'll make sure to record it

[thin lantern]

YES I GOT RARE WEED KILLER... and nothing else that supports this attempt at an omega attack skull build

[slate zodiac]

Budget shield.mp4

[thin lantern]

I am stacked as heck on earth gods though, so this is right on track to get Coarse Grit

[slate zodiac]

You sound like an Artemis Rama enjoyer

[mystic bison]

Have people figured out the most efficient strat for Scylla? I usually go after the drummer, then Roxy(?) and Scylla herself last.

[slate zodiac]

Drummer then it depends on the situation

Drummer is just the easiest to hit

[mystic bison]

The most annoying to avoid too imo

[cursive knot]

... yes. And hestia rail

[zenith bolt]

if im using axe spin then i try to at least group roxy and scylla and hit them at once https://i.imgur.com/Cdxzwk8.png

[slate zodiac]

For that I hate the guitarist. The chain stuns x.X at least they dint do damage

[dire flame]

how to get a lot of infused boons? i rarely see them even if i have a lot of elements

[slate zodiac]

Do you fully charge axe or do you only go for 10 mana?

[slate zodiac]

Just RNG

[tulip heath]

I should try using the axe special more

[cursive knot]

It's really situational, usually just get in as many as you can fit safely without getting too greedy and getting hit.

[slate zodiac]

Mood, I rarely use it. Aphrodite Attack is my BnB

[slate zodiac]

I'll just need to force myself to use it until I get used to the playstyle

[mystic bison]

Her worst attack imo is when she rushes at you and unloads the aoe. Learning her telegraphs is giga important

[tulip heath]

I should try that tonight I have been pushing Apollo for my axe runs

[rich oxide]

How do you get the skull weapon?

[wet nova]

blocking chronos axe throw is so satisfying lol

[slate zodiac]

The dash attacks I'm actually fine with. Just a pain when I get stunlocked out of my omega attacks

[slate zodiac]

Apollo is second best for Axe imo, but Aphrodite is an 80% dmg increase on common

[wet nova]

but tbf 90% of the time shes not even near you lol

[tulip heath]

Axe is the only weapon I’m having success with (still haven’t beat chronos yet )

[cursive knot]

Ye don't be afraid to let it fly early, i think a lot of the time wind up in that 14-18 range

[dusty dust]

if the guitarist is featured artist, i just immediately go ahead and kill the drummer so they all bunch up there

[zenith bolt]

i just always kill drummer. roxy's area denial is way too much to manage while attacking anyone else

[cloud scarab]

welp got him to 50% in second stage... that is about as far as I have gotten so far 😕

[cursive knot]

Though definitely sometimes let i let it rip at 10-13 if that's all you can fit

[dusty dust]

indeed

[slate zodiac]

Noted, cannot cuss

I'm depressed that my first ever Chronos clear was with torches of all weapons

[wild pine]

Yeah but you have to multiply that by how often you're actually close enough to use it

[wet nova]

second stage is definitely more chaotic to dodge

[zenith bolt]

on axe you're always close enough for aphro

[cursive knot]

With axe that's always for aphro

[zenith bolt]

omega special isnt real anyway (the one bad axe move)

[slate zodiac]

Axe is a melee weapon and 99% of the time you'll get the damage bonus off. I'm doing a run rn and every hit I've done so far has been boosted to 90 damage from 40 (rare attack and 2 Poms). It really isn't difficult for Axe

[cloud scarab]

for some reason I find the second stage easier... I always lose all my death defiance in the first stage... and then I can hold on quite a bit in second stage

[cursive knot]

Just realized I think my first chronos kill was with pan aspect and my first hades kill was with Chiron bow

[slate zodiac]

Bro is carried by his inability to aim (jkjk)

[zenith bolt]

in terms of difficulty for chronos i find it to be (hardest to easiest here)

phase 2, <50% hp
phase 1, <50% hp
phase 2, >50% hp
phase 1, >50% hp

[tulip heath]

I always what aspect do you use? I just got aspects before I went to bed last night

[wild pine]

Even the basic axe swing has I believe more range than the Aphro lmit.

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238501398149070929/image.png?ex=663f83cf&is=663e324f&hm=d408ab2d5f309708b0c3f401796076b29294d4540c1b2bda4c1711290f231a2a& perhaps the weirdest Axe run there will ever be

I literally did an Axe run without attacking once, jfc.

[slate zodiac]

I don't spam spin so I use Melinoe. Spin spam I'd use Thanatos and would probably still use Aphrodite with probably Artemis keepsake

[zenith bolt]

goddamn it i forget pg13

ahem chronos phase 2 <50% hp is where everything goes to hell

[slate zodiac]

That's incorrect. Try it yourself, there were literally 2 other people saying that it buffs consistently lol

It's quite impressive

[tulip heath]

Hmm I have to see if I have the mats I upgraded Mel aspect to like 4

[bleak night]

@thin lantern https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238501398149070929/image.png?ex=663f83cf&is=663e324f&hm=d408ab2d5f309708b0c3f401796076b29294d4540c1b2bda4c1711290f231a2a& The pinnacle of Axe gameplay, thank you for the recommendation

[slate zodiac]

My Mel is only 3 and I've been using Aphro since 1

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238498375444463679/AXE_DRILL.mp4?ex=663f80fe&is=663e2f7e&hm=3f94341a83c8d17922106e266fa4c8e61f2d29126fd8f36bc773d83b225dd0aa video of me killing Chronos with it

[tulip heath]

But I’m a licensed spinner

[slate zodiac]

I'll have to test this Thanatos build with Poseidon special

[zenith bolt]

i think you sent the wrong video

[bleak night]

oh

[slate zodiac]

Then use Thanatos lol. I'd still use Aphro

[tulip heath]

I need to write this down for when I get home in 8 hours 😭

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238501379698458720/Drill_Axe.mp4?ex=663f83cb&is=663e324b&hm=9266711a07891c244e5f52393859995158430d9bd38497c2b0dcd6abf954703e

yep, here we go, actual video of me shield drilling

[rocky kraken]

Anyone has a decent torch build? It’s the only weapon I havnt managed to kill chronos with 😦

[timid vine]

Question regarding the "Spiteful Strength" duo boon, where your attacks and specials get a 200% increase while not empowered by Boons. Is there any way of purging boons you already got, like in Hades with the pool of purging? Something you unlock later on perhaps?

[slate zodiac]

Mel Axe is if you have no self control and don't know how to wait before swinging

[slate zodiac]

I'm gonna be honest, just get the Apollo Hestia duo boon and facetank everything from Chronos with a full hp focused build

Also Apollo is great for the explosion torch aspect if you want a regular build

[thin lantern]

Except there's this bug where Apollo attack makes the mallows spawn in a straight line for me, although maybe that's with the fire rate hammer

[slate zodiac]

That might just be the hammer ye lol

[bleak night]

was I doing that much damage with the drill or did Chronos have that much less HP than I remember ?

[zenith bolt]

the heroic +7 poseidon boon lmao

[bleak night]

chonked

[zenith bolt]

still, poseidon remains crazy for anything with decent fire rate

[slate zodiac]

Sounds like you highrolled that Heroic Special, ngl

[summer seal]

And here I am with 0 Chrono kills, oof. Been there twice, once with the twin blades and once with the staff. Thought I had it with the staff and the double shooting poseidon special, but just didn't know the attack pattern. Though I only just now unlocked the olympus pathway, so hopefully getting weapon aspects will help

[slate zodiac]

Poseidon is imo second best for fast attacks. Hestia remains the first imo

[zenith bolt]

ehh poseidon is better at the start and slip is free extra dps

[mellow condor]

what boon goes with tthe staff attack

[slate zodiac]

I think it depends. For example, I think Hestia scales better with dual blades but I think Poseidon is better for staff

[zenith bolt]

fair enough

[slate zodiac]

Omega playstyle or...?

[mellow condor]

yes, i havve the hamemr of double attack atm

[slate zodiac]

Absolutely Apollo then

I like Hephaestus for special

[cursive ruin]

The original hades had boons like
Frost attack
" flourish
" dash
" aid
" cast
Does anyone know what the common suffixes for boons in hades 2 are?

[rocky kraken]

Keep at it bro my first win was unga bunga with big chop moonstone axe

[bleak night]

it's funny because I started with an Aphro Rare at first, and I just rarified it into Epic. Later on, Poseidon came in and decided to offer me a replacement at a rarity higher, so I took it

[slate zodiac]

Blitz, Weaken, Freeze, Vent ( )

[thin lantern]

Most are the same. New one is Gain (magick regen)

[slate zodiac]

Judging from how the run went, stunlocking with the shield was better

[cursive ruin]

No i meant the other thing.. like i know sprint is one of them right?

[thin lantern]

and there are a few others, aid is gone, sprint is a new one

[zenith bolt]

flourish for special
sprint for sprint
gain for magick regen

i forget attacks

i also forget casts

[cursive ruin]

Ok so i cant have multiple gain buffs

[summer seal]

Aphro boon on attack?

[light pendant]

Cast is ring, and I think attack is still strike.

[slate zodiac]

We love Aphro Attack on Axe

[rocky kraken]

yeah with a few hp and a lucky dodge boon

[cursive ruin]

Tbh i dont even remember if hades had like a consistent name for casts

[bleak night]

I've been loving Hera on it a lot more, but Apollo and Aphro are still equally great on it

[warm rivet]

Goddamn Eris just shredded me

[cursive ruin]

Oh ok ring.. good to know

[slate zodiac]

I'm hella considering a Hera Staff build cuz of how much AoE that weapon has

Ohh, maybe Hera Torch might be decent

Btw guys, idk if you share my sentiment but it feels like omega cast builds are hard to use if you're not running Hestia

[thin lantern]

augh, I can't get Demeter for Grit

[zenith bolt]

omega cast zeus is really good

[bleak night]

I'm completely trash at using the Torch, but I can see Hera Staff being good, yeah

[slate zodiac]

It's good yeah, but I feel it's hard to sit in melee range to cast it. Hestia has a boon that turns the cast into a projectile

[zenith bolt]

hmm true

[cursive ruin]

So to recap.. strike, flourish, ring, sprint and gain are the common names

[zenith bolt]

zeus does have an aiming thing

[light pendant]

zeus also has a boon that makes your cast ranged, yeah

[slate zodiac]

For cast?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[slate zodiac]

Really?? I never ran into it. Will see if I can get a Hestia Zeus run going later.

[zenith bolt]

it's not as good as hestia's, i'll admit, but it still lets you target further

[brave shard]

lightning lance i beleiev

[distant ocean]

lol the giant growth potion from Circe makes Mel's voice deeper

[zenith bolt]

likewise for the shrink potion

[distant ocean]

that's awesome

[rocky kraken]

there’s a giant growth potion? Goodness me

[distant ocean]

also makes the spin2win larger, seems

oof I wish I had apollo rn

[rocky kraken]

I’ve only gotten the small one

[distant ocean]

i haven't seen that one yet

[zenith bolt]

small makes you faster and get 15% more dodge chance

[distant ocean]

noice, growth gives you 15% damage

[thin lantern]

So my boons are cursed this run, but Hera is nutty on skulls

All four hitch boons in particular. Insane

[slate zodiac]

We love big AoE weapons

[gray pine]

how does the ||aspect of persophone ||work?

[thin lantern]

Yeah, especially on the frickin' skull dash

Dammit, Demeter didn't give me grit :/

I have to actually TRY during this Chronos fight. The horror.

[slate zodiac]

Nothing 4 Death Defiances can't fix

[tulip sonnet]

FOUR?

also: god everyone. pray for me. i am at phase two for the first time.

thank you aphro + apollo.

[olive turret]

which aspect would you recommend for the sister blades?

[bleak night]

you know the basics ?

for phase 2, I mean

[placid sinew]

do weapon aspects increase base damage? if not what do they do

[raven yew]

anyone got a cool wand build so i can finally beat cerberus 😭

[rocky kraken]

Difference is usually in the description

[placid sinew]

just dash when his paws go up

[placid sinew]

and spam hit his back

[bleak night]

they change the playstyle by making something else stronger to encourage you to build it that way. Sometimes they'll even have some new mechanic on one thing

an example is the Axe being attack-heavy, but it has an Aspect that's focused on long range Cast + Special detonation

[raven yew]

😔 okay

[tulip sonnet]

well.

[cloud scarab]

omfg mini Melinoe is the cutest 😄 With the high pitch voice

[thin lantern]

I only have three. I actually died mid run. Skelly protect me.

[tulip sonnet]

i just died! it's hard to keep track with lim and oros

[olive turret]

?

[slate zodiac]

Max the card and grab Skelly keepsake

[bleak night]

aww...

[placid sinew]

ah yes chronos sure is quite the dastardly villain

[kind whale]

best attack boons for sister blades?

[tulip sonnet]

it's fully sensory overload (for me anyway) trying to deal with the clock things, and also the laser hands and trying to understand when the hell is he using his scythes

[vivid marsh]

Ranged casts also feel really good against cerbie if you have trouble dodging his paws

[rocky kraken]

Both encourage different play styles. Artemis is atk heavy while pan focuses on specials. Honestly up to preference

[tulip sonnet]

aphro attack always feels good on the sisterrrrrrrrs

[thin lantern]

And you can take cat for five.

[kind whale]

and any other ones i should look out for?

[slate zodiac]

I love Hestia on them. Poseidon is also solid

If you're going for an Artemis Dual Blades build, I'd use something with big damage like Aphro

[slate zodiac]

I haven't gotten the cat yet. I'm sitting on 2 animal gifts rn

[compact arrow]

I was curious since I'm already a few hours in... but are there no weapon aspects yet? or are they unlocked later

[rocky kraken]

I like using hera cuz I feel blades lack clear

[kind whale]

dont have any aspects yet

[placid sinew]

further onwards towards the finish line

[frail jasper]

ever since I got my first familiar treat I have not found the cat a single time lol

[slate zodiac]

The problem is that it's hard to apply the AoE on Hera imo. Maybe on special?

[compact arrow]

Gotcha, guess I still need to get better 🤓 haha

[slate zodiac]

Then use either Hestia or Poseidon - both benefit multi-hitting attacks a lot better than other gods

[rocky kraken]

Oh yea didn’t see was asking for attack

[placid sinew]

☝️🤓 erm.... that seems the case, in this sticky situation

[bleak night]

I gotta say, Apollo and Hera have become my fave gods to use in runs

[rocky kraken]

The duo helps u proc privi status or whatever that’s called here easily

[slate zodiac]

My top 3 are (in no particular order):
Hestia
Apollo
Hephaestus

[frail jasper]

I've not tried hera but Apollo is my boy. His keepsake is the first I maxed out. His mana regen cast is broken (imho), and he just makes stuff big and strong

[bleak night]

I gotta put Poseidon in third for me, meanwhile

[frail jasper]

same

[bleak night]

I like the idea of making a god assist you in making things more AoE, honestly.

[compact arrow]

So in simple words... do you have to like beat the final boss?

[placid sinew]

will they help with the chronos fight

[bleak night]

If anything, it can help you find out what your playstyle really is, being able to beat bosses comes easily after that

[frail jasper]

I really hope they change how the menu for unlocking and leveling aspects: it's just so cluttered and inefficient

[placid sinew]

I got to phase 2 without taking any damage and then died

[rocky kraken]

Just have 300 hp and spin chronos to death ez

[bleak night]

did you take 1000 damage from a single hit ?

[compact arrow]

yea, though some aspects in Hades 1 were just straight up better and easier to execute it felt like?

[placid sinew]

yeh but then I got a death defiance

[frail jasper]

is Apollo or Aphrodite better for an un-aspected axe?

[bleak night]

that's dodgeable, just so you can prep for next time. When he does that, the entire area becomes dark save this one circle where the 1k damage won't hit

[placid sinew]

I just panicked because Lil bro had full hp

[summer seal]

Which twin blade aspect do you all prefer?

[bleak night]

Run towards that whenever he does it and you'll be winning

[mild phoenix]

Aphro probably

[bleak night]

basically when the entire floor is darker than usual and he's channeling something, go towards a part of it that's lit, and it'll be safe to stand on

[frail jasper]

ight

[rocky kraken]

Apart from the zag aspects I really don’t think the aspects actually differ that much unless ur talking about min clear and high heat times. It’s still a matter of how well u can pilot it

[bleak night]

both are equally good for different reasons

Apollo does less damage, but safer and hits a wider area around you

Aphro you really gotta get in there

[slate zodiac]

Poseidon is 4th for me. I love his resource gen but I feel his damaging boons aren't useful if you're using aren't using a fast attacking weapon

[bleak night]

so it's really safety and AoE vs. raw damage

[frail jasper]

I have brought this up before but it feels like every boss has two moves that never change

The move where everything but a circle around them becomes colored and you gotta stay close

and the move where they get a circle around them and you gotta get away

[bleak night]

I can agree with that part about the damage, yeah

[bleak night]

Yeah, the bosses all have it lol

[slate zodiac]

To me, Hephaestus works with every weapon. If you have a move you almost never use, just slap Hephaestus on it. Staff Special for Hephaestus makes it actually usable outside of special builds

[frail jasper]

Holy hades you might have actually made that move decent for me

[bleak night]

Heph Special on Axe makes it a nice 300-400 damage nuke every now and then, which is kinda great

[tribal ibex]

what the best blessing for agent skull in his especial for strong dps?

[frail jasper]

agent?

[tribal ibex]

my English is bad sorry

[frail jasper]

Is the fourth aspect for it going to be the aspect of bond?

[slate zodiac]

Hephaestus also just has good general boons for utility and stuff. Very solid god imo. I just think his cast sucks

[bleak night]

Ah, you're asking what god is the best to use for the Skull weapon's Special ?

[tribal ibex]

Yeah

[frail jasper]

Never took the cast, but he still manages to be my favorite guy. I like big damage numbers

[bleak night]

Demeter for Freeze or Aphrodite for Damage, imo

[slate zodiac]

I never pieced together that we should use Aphro for Skull special. Duly noted.

[tribal ibex]

and Aphrodite is capable of dealing high damage? I thought it only gave the debuff of making enemies weak

[bleak night]

this is Hades II, right ?

[tribal ibex]

yes

[frail jasper]

Demeter feels broken in this game. I never really played a lot of runs with her in hades 1 but freeze is broken and I have heard many people sing the praises of weed killer

[rocky kraken]

-10% dmg look how the massacred my girl

[bleak night]

Aphrodite's Attack and Special don't have Weak debuff anymore. The new effect is that when you're close to the enemy, you deal more damage.

[slate zodiac]

That's only in Hades 1. Aphro got big buffs this game (and also in art : ^) )

Zeus got hella gutted in comparison imo

[frail jasper]

Nah both of zeus's cast things go crazy

[slate zodiac]

I think Demeter is okay. Freeze is amazing but I'd never use her as a build around. One of those "if I get her cast it's a must take but I don't care otherwise." It's Athena dash all over again

[wild comet]

Zeus’s prime attack boon is good af though

[frail jasper]

Better aim than fiery grandmum and you get both boons for blitz and for lightning itself

[frail jasper]

Honestly, true

[slate zodiac]

Zeus cast is the only thing redeeming about him imho. Blitz is a terrible debuff and if you wanna go a cast build with decent atk/specials just go Hestia instead

[naive silo]

Blitz is Better as a gimmick for Zeus rather than chain lightning

At least with some weapons triggering it multiple times is p easy

[frail jasper]

I mean isn't blitz just "deal x damage get x more damage"?

[slate zodiac]

I suppose that's fair. Idk, I just dislike Zeus this game - easily my least favorite out of all the gods

[wild comet]

You can get both, why choose?

[naive silo]

True but the chain lightning is not the main focus at least

[hard hearth]

guys ?

[slate zodiac]

Yeah but getting Zeus early makes that debuff completely useless. It feels miserable hitting someone and then seeing them die without the debuff doing anything since the damage required to proc blitz exceeds their health bars. Zeus Blitz is effectively useless throughout Act 1 and 2 except for bossing

[bleak night]

magic baguette

Oh, right, wands are called "baguettes" in French

[hard hearth]

🥖

[naive silo]

You dont really plan to use it for early game tbf

[jaunty cloak]

Wait actually lol

[frail jasper]

I never really thought of it that way, actually. I've not given nectar to him yet (saving bones for psyche and cocaine), so I often find him a bit later into the game

[bleak night]

which wand are we talking about btw, Staff or the Torches ?

[jaunty cloak]

The aphro / zeus duo is so much fun

[frail jasper]

Idunno if its cuz I'm on controller but Torches makes me want to kill myself

[bleak night]

yeah, I was reading HP in French before and they're literally called baguette magique, I couldn't take it seriously

[rocky kraken]

Eh I think of zeus as Hephaestus except instead of waiting x seconds u wait x dmg

[slate zodiac]

Yeah but that's the problem: why go for Zeus at all when other Gods can enhance your Attack/Special with more immediate results?

Every God scales well into late game, but Zeus in particular is terrible early game

[frail jasper]

Also I have not seen a "duo boon menu" or whatever I shoud call it in this game. Makes it impossible to see what I need for certain duos

[wild comet]

It scales better than Hephaestus though

[jaunty cloak]

I was running torches a few times last night for the special and was fanning on all kinds of stuff because of the controller aim

[wet nova]

Zeus prime 50 for lightning bolts works well with any high fire rate build

[bleak night]

oh btw

[wild comet]

Even on the internet lol

[wet nova]

He’s more for utility than for main damage

[bleak night]

They got me into doing an attack-less Axe run earlier

[naive silo]

Because Blitz can build itself to explode multiple times when you do reach the enemies that matter
The first level doesnt require much in terms of power and the second already makes blitz work

[slate zodiac]

Hephaestus admittedly falls off late game yeah. Blitz seems fine late game and I'm willing to try that but idk I can never see a reason for me to use Zeus outside of chain lightning prime

[frail jasper]

Hades 2 has like no videos or stuff like that. Kinda weird, given that its trailer was so popular. Maybe its cuz of EA though

[jaunty cloak]

Wait what lol. Just special?

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1238502617034784849/image.png?ex=663f84f2&is=663e3372&hm=d6026294f011ca0a02998afcad0421ffcbe97a1b529981378c9c3eaca8233200& yes.

[thin lantern]

Whew! Beat Chronos. Just BARELY. Skelly truly did come in clutch

[rocky kraken]

Yeah but I don’t exactly like heph that much either except for when I tried a janky dash build

[jaunty cloak]

Oh my god that heroic Pos

[frail jasper]

I mean late game is when you have enough poms to get down the cooldown to like 1 second

[cloud scarab]

I am probably slow to this, but I just discovered if you tap the shield button in the right tempo you can keep up the shield indefinitely

[naive silo]

The only time i liked Heph was with the one swing Axe with the hammer buff lol

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238501379698458720/Drill_Axe.mp4?ex=663f83cb&is=663e324b&hm=9266711a07891c244e5f52393859995158430d9bd38497c2b0dcd6abf954703e

[frail jasper]

Who gives "close call"?

[jaunty cloak]

Hell Chop?

[wild comet]

It can get to 1 sec?

[naive silo]

I dont recall the name but its the one that makes you strike once for 300 dmg

[jaunty cloak]

Hell chop is Berserk tier and I love it

[slate zodiac]

Does it...? There are so many tiny fish that run at you and Blitz gets 0 effect on them. The crabs nullify Blitz if they hide in their shells. Idk, I'm just not a fan. Maybe I'll try to grab it in Act 2 with a staff build cuz of the AoE

[dusty dust]

how do you get the cat familiar again? its not in erebus or the docks for me

[frail jasper]

probably. First one or two poms reduce it by 2, then its reduced by 1 so probably

[frail jasper]

Exactly. I saw the cat before getting the food but never after

[slate zodiac]

Needing a million poms for an immediate effect is admittedly less effective imo

[naive silo]

You can trigger on most of the bigger enemies like the trident sharks or the pufferfishes
Technically against the small fishes most buffs are irrelevant they die by breathing on them

[stoic ridge]

i think you need to beat eris in order to see the cat again

[wild comet]

Big if true, right now I only take Hephaestus’s dash

[dusty dust]

i petted the cat once in erebus and i've never seen it again

[frail jasper]

Yeah, guess so. Though vent does help with daamge afaik

[warm rivet]

There a way to oversee my pets abilities?
Ik nothing to do with the channel theme but discussion is useless

[rocky kraken]

Has anyone tried a perma invul Selene build with like high magick regen

[jaunty cloak]

I just tamed her last night. She give's an extra dd lol

[frail jasper]

You fight the girl who practically guarantees you lose whenever its going too smoothly?

[bleak night]

your pet is on the boon list under your weapon

[steady geyser]

Hey guys - I feel stupid. How do you "accept" a Fair Trade from Nemesis? I'm pressing X, down, up, but it's always pulsing red and doesn't let me accept

[stoic ridge]

yes

[dusty dust]

i've beaten eris multiple times and i've still yet to see the cat

[naive silo]

Try Enter

[dusty dust]

or do i need to not bring my frog?

[frail jasper]

On my I think third run I beat hecate (not the best player yknow) but that decrepit horrible thing that dares call itself a creature ruined everything for me. I'll make sure to make the most meta broken build ever just so I can send her back to from whichever horrible dimension she emerged from

[naive silo]

Or the pad equivalent of Enter lol

[steady geyser]

I'm on a Steam Deck 🫠

[spark plover]

is the aspect of Persephone working for anyone?

[bleak night]

weird, she's not asking to smack you in exchange for you getting something, right ?

[slate zodiac]

Idk, I'm not a believer in Zeus. I do acknowledge it's good vs bosses though. I'll try him later tonight I guess

[dusty dust]

thats the spirit

[wild comet]

Guys is Hestia on attack and special good?

[frail jasper]

Did you bring the peace tablet?

[dusty dust]

so how do i get the cat

[bleak night]

Ah, the issue with this weapon is that it takes too long to build up the gauge. You see the circle next to the ammo? It slowly fills up, then you can have the wild ride. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238155940449091677/Persephones_Wild_Ride.mp4?ex=663e4214&is=663cf094&hm=513d3c372276f674095d7ffd6ac5ec30ec6b0fc30761fc2006bfd16a691af1f7

[dusty dust]

is it needed to get the cat to spawn?

[spark plover]

go up instead of down and youll find it mostly after defeating the cyclop

[steady geyser]

I'm stupid, wrong button. Wow.

[dusty dust]

go up as in go to the docks? its still not there lol, its already the dozen times now

[naive silo]

Hes not my favorite either but he has uses. I mostly prefer him on Axe and twin blades if i wanna focus on blitz

[jaunty cloak]

Another data point, I had just beat her the first time last night and tamed the cat prior to that.

[slate zodiac]

On what weapon? The answer is yes btw, just depends on the weapon

[spark plover]

im trying it on schelemeus...heh..but its not working at all and not filling so i was wondering

[bleak night]

should fill up better when you use the aoe capabilities of it against mobs of enemies, yeah

[slate zodiac]

Maybe special on Axe because I find it hard to use anything other than Aphro or Apollo on Attack

[jaunty cloak]

For the faster attack speed weapons (spear or daggers) but absolutely terrible for axe

[warm rivet]

Ty

[wild comet]

Any I guess, I find the burn kinda weak

[frail jasper]

Is schelemeus an actual person from the mythos (dunno much about greek mythology)?

[spark plover]

mmmm idk, it showed up a couple of times in erebus when i started my file but then it only showed up on the docks. maybe keep trying

[dusty dust]

at what point of the docks exactly does the cat spawn

[spark plover]

west

[jaunty cloak]

Just before the door to the ships. Off on a little dock to the west

[bleak night]

west side, close to the exit towards the ships

[slate zodiac]

It's amazing on dual blades. Both attack and special. Pan special is amazing, and attack is great for Mel and Pan.

Artemis is best with Aphro imo

[dusty dust]

yeah ok, i didnt miss it then, its just not there

[bleak night]

rng dependent probs

[jaunty cloak]

Nah I saw it every single time after seeing her a few times in the underground

[slate zodiac]

Also FYI, the burn stacks. If you get a million procs on someone they're gonna burn real fast. I deleted Ceberus with a Pan Hestia Special build with the Daedalus upgrade that makes you shoot more daggers

[frail jasper]

Guys I'm using aphro axe (early in the run so only boon i have is aphro attack). Should I pom it or go for a hammer with a chance to get psychic whirlwind?

[wild comet]

Thanks, guess I’ll try it later. Aspect of Chiron all over again lmao

[jaunty cloak]

Hell chop hammer

[spark plover]

speaking of skull, did anyone find a way to make it work well? i cant find a thing for it even after clearning both up and down with all other weapons lol

[frail jasper]

What does this "hell chop" upgrade specifically do?

[slate zodiac]

If you don't like Hestia then Poseidon is also solid for faster hitting weapons

[jaunty cloak]

Changes the attack move set to be massive slams that deal increased damage. Longer wind up.

[bleak night]

it sucks

[frail jasper]

And you are sure it is not the "Hell Splitter"?

[naive silo]

Omega attack spinning is p fun with it
Just my preference though

[jaunty cloak]

Ahhh Hell Splitter yep lol

[bleak night]

another Axe fan ?

[jaunty cloak]

How dare u

[frail jasper]

Should I get psychic whirlwind (my beloved) or concentraded Whirlwind (never got it before, seems decent gainst bosses)

[bleak night]

speaking of which

[wild comet]

I think Pan aspect is just broken. I had a build with Aphrodite on special and did 200k

[bleak night]

I managed to do a neat 32 Fear clear with Axe earlier

I've kinda just cemented Hera as my fave for whirlwinding

[wild comet]

Oh yeah what do you guys enable for high Fear

[bleak night]

depends on the build you go for. I personally think that increasing the amount of enemies and increasing their HP are free nodes for increasing Fear considering I spammed Hera boons and AoE'd them all

[jaunty cloak]

Does she have anything that makes hitch do a little more for bosses?

[rocky kraken]

Ok guys so what if we use Artemis blades get the omega atk to 30 with the hammer and get Selene boon that makes ur impervious for 5s

Just get a few boons that boost magick and ur literally unkillable

[jaunty cloak]

You dont use your weapon's moveset when in that hex

[frail jasper]

Is it just me or does the elemental system seem like a last minute addition

[jaunty cloak]

It does not spark joy

[bleak night]

She has something that increasing damage on Hitch afflicted foes, but besides that I just appreciate how much Earth Element boons she was giving out

[rocky kraken]

Yes Artemis is just for 30 magick omega and a shield

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1238454064329654313/image.png?ex=663f57ba&is=663e063a&hm=d80708bc4670f1baf1bc264d26bf40a8e933b81de6d6aaed139e12553efbf86e Hera + Demeter on a melee weapon with AoE is honestly just recipe for easy win

[median stratus]

about the hestia thing, when you do multiple applications - does it just count up the total burn amount but just do 40dps until it's done, or does it also increase the dps? because i feel hestia wouldn't be worth it since it just does at most 40 dps

[wild comet]

I’m just told it stacks

[bleak night]

it'll be 40 dps no matter what you do, sadly. The amount you see on it in orange is the amount it has left to slowly burn through

[jaunty cloak]

I think the time slow hex would be superior

[sturdy meteor]

whats a good build with the dual blades ?

[keen wave]

has anyone else managed to get argent skull to work well?

[rocky kraken]

Time slow doesn’t work against chronos

[keen wave]

it feels really clunky and low damage to me

[jaunty cloak]

Yea but you'd probably want to take the 300 stack DUMP if you are building hestia

[median stratus]

so why is hestia still considered good then? wouldn't poseidon just do excessively more dps with fast weapons?

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238425719273422848/image.png?ex=663f3d54&is=663debd4&hm=2a80003ee1e52c0d7ebb5ccd253cd6b3d1069be45b1a30a405c6733c61ccb17a I really hate how bad it is

[wild comet]

Wait what? Then isn’t Hestia bad?

[bleak night]

she kinda is for offense, yeah

[rare brook]

Is there somewhere recorded 32 fear run?

[earnest nacelle]

hestia is good for not scorch stuff

[bleak night]

I only have the final boss recorded during my run

[median stratus]

i figured, yea alright

[wild comet]

My favorite weapon. Persephone aspect is really fun

[median stratus]

the sprint and mana reg are pretty dope

[sturdy meteor]

i cant figure out a good build with the dual blades ngl , idk what boons to go for

[stoic ridge]

hestia scorch armor bonus damage boon is actually nice against armored enemies if you have her cast as a support

[rare brook]

Axes, so many axes here 😄

[bleak night]

I love the axe

[jaunty cloak]

Yea that sprint is great. I like her for vanilla cast too

Some easy CC and DoT dmg

[keen wave]

.... this game has aspects? damn

[bleak night]

I can't really use her sprint because Apollo's just does it for me every time.

[keen wave]

i may be stupid

[rare brook]

I wonder if Apollo sprint = Athena dash

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238457529256640532/32_Heat_Axe.mp4?ex=663f5af4&is=663e0974&hm=9be00586fefca7e614ac80a89cb1d095210ea2658b41bc233b5786dc576ad229 Here you go btw

[keen wave]

how do you unlock the aspects? i recently managed to beat chronos and i dont see any recipes

[median stratus]

so for offensive boons - are there any clear favourites as of now? i personally tend to guess aphro, hera or helios i guess for slow attacks / casts / omega and poseidon for swift ones?

[wild comet]

Even base skull is good

[wild comet]

Idk keep playing ig

[wet nova]

I think it’s face first boss with all weapons

[jaunty cloak]

Aphro on attack 1000%. I will take that above all if I am running melee

[wet nova]

Not confirmed tho

[keen wave]

well that would explain it lol

[frail jasper]

omg I was just fighting hecate and she has dialogue if your TOAD FAMILIAR BODY BLOCKS HER SHEEP PROJECTILE

the level of detail in this game is crazy

[keen wave]

i basically exclusively use blades and axe

[jaunty cloak]

Lmao that was good

[frail jasper]

I knew I made the right decision when I fed him the forbidden scooby snacks

[wet nova]

There’s a lot of things like that that I love

[jaunty cloak]

I know I was talking some mad stuff about being an eternal frinos stan

[wet nova]

Like there’s one with if you use the resurrect hex with 2nd boss

[jaunty cloak]

BUT that extra DD with the cat can't be passed up

[frail jasper]

wait the frog is this "frinos" that I've seen in comment sections and stuff?

[wet nova]

Extra dd is huge but the main thing is FISH

[wet nova]

Yh that’s its name

[jaunty cloak]

Best boi

[wet nova]

Cat is just annoying cos it sits on its ass 😭😂

[wild comet]

I just learn you can dash before omega attack

[frail jasper]

Also the axe hammer that gives your StW +2 BASE DAMAGE against an enemy for every time you hit it is BROKEN
Like my aphro attack doubles it so + I hit so many attacks so I am melting through hecate

[cloud scarab]

does extra Dose (chance to attack twice) also proc for the Omega Attack on the Axe?

[jaunty cloak]

You've got that animation cancelling down to a T

[bleak night]

If you hold omega and then dash without letting the attack button go, you will dash and then perform your whirlwind in the area you dashed into

[frail jasper]

And I just want to talk about how everytime I exit erebus I get nervous to wether chronos will come or not. Even after the reveal he's honestly kinda scary, or well i dunno if the right word is scary but still, seeing his black silhoutte at the edge of your vision when you should normally have celebrated for beating a boss.

[bleak night]

opposite that, if you let the button go, and then dash, you cancel the whirlwind entirely

[jaunty cloak]

What do you have mapped for your dash button?

[bleak night]

I use a weird controller setup using a Switch Pro Controller, but basically attack on the facebutton on the right, special on the one on top, dash on the bottom, cast on the left

[wet nova]

He’s a villain in its entirety unlike hades 1 where everyone is more of just an obstacle to your final goal, he’s more daunting than that

[jaunty cloak]

I havent run into that teleport event once after the first time with Cronos

[wet nova]

He was tackled by 5 gods and only barely got defeated he truly must be feared

[frail jasper]

That's a great way to put it. I know the change from personal to world-wide stakes between the two games might put some people off but it feels great going on an epic adventure to save the world imo

[jaunty cloak]

And he's big time salty about that too lol

[wet nova]

The second game feels like a final war

[wet nova]

Had it like 3 times total but I hate asphodel keep burning😭😂

[wild comet]

You play on controller or kbm?

[jaunty cloak]

I wonder who the final boss will be up top

[frail jasper]

The random girl who has a fraction of the powers of those gods and some random silver weapons annihilating him in question:

[bleak night]

controller

[wet nova]

I heard it’s in the trailer someone pointed out

[spark plover]

just confirmed that persophene's aspect of skull doesnt work in my game client at all. damit lol i leveled it to max

[bleak night]

I prefer controller because the movement is 360 degrees, though I do want to get into kbm so I can play other weapons better

[wet nova]

Then again she trained for her whole life for it, whereas the gods just had it thrown upon themselves

[wild comet]

How :)) I have to learn to press hold X and press A with one hand

[trim thistle]

Is there picture of the oath they took?

[bleak night]

what's mapped on your X ?

[wild comet]

Attack?

[wet nova]

The thing is in hades 1 only the rail really needed good aim, but I feel like aiming in this game every weapon has some sort of it

[bleak night]

I can look at my run history for you hold on

[exotic coyote]

I hav a q is it a bug that revenge boons trigger on the suck attacks

[bleak night]

what I do is the moment I let go of the charged attack animation, I just dash

[wet nova]

Yh what oaths do you use for 32 I’m so torn lol

[exotic coyote]

The sucks dont do damage but the boss gets damaged from the revenge boons while ur bein sucked

[frail jasper]

yeah but how old could she be? Like even if she's 300 by some ages slow thingy she still does not have the powers of the gods. Besides up until the start of the game she has only ever used the witch's staff, so on all other weapons she's even new with them than the gods with their power

[wild comet]

Thanks for the tip

[wet nova]

The suck should do damage, which boss?

[jaunty cloak]

The OST for the cyclops boss with the horns is the MVP

[icy axle]

Can't Static Shock appear as first boon? Does it have prerequisites?

[exotic coyote]

Pnly the phantom suck does damage no?

[distant ocean]

Aspect of Artemis is probably my favorite aspect rn, ah it's so good esp if you get the mark boon

[wet nova]

Also she’s not technically alone (unless you do boo less run)

[exotic coyote]

Chronos and cerberus

[frail jasper]

Though its stated somewhere by chronos that she's resistant to the time magick thing, so that probably explains it

[wet nova]

Chronos suck does damage if your close to it only

[exotic coyote]

Yeah but my revenge boons have triggered when im far but being sucked

[wet nova]

Yh I think that was in my most recent run

[frail jasper]

Even so its still a BOON from the gods

[wet nova]

Hmm then probably a bug or it does smth very minimal like 0.1 damage and gets rounded down

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238520674050637894/image.png?ex=663f95c3&is=663e4443&hm=06aa40ac88821f6ea91e77b718352e41f644158ca69ab75ec77955ba0af1d48d& I gotta warn you though that the only reason I took +60% more enemies per encounter and +30% enemy HP is that I was running an AoE weapon with Hera, so I appreciate the enemies surrounding me so they can all share the damage I debuff them with

also I think my game is bugged, I did a surface run to see if Medea was there in my seed, then I quit and the bottom part of the testaments is gone

[wet nova]

She at least makes more sense than Zagrus since she has that magick thing someone mentioned earlier

[frail jasper]

Like until Zeus gives her his lightning bolt she is not fighting with even his full strength.

Time magick resistance's + chronos arrogance is probably the reason she actually wins

[exotic coyote]

Yeah im not sure which! Im not sure how to submit a bug report in the game rn

[bleak night]

oaths posted btw

[granite finch]

Aspect of medea says that attack also explodes on impact
It doesnt seem to be able to impact anything from what ive seen just explodes after 3 seconds

[exotic coyote]

So im asking here

[wet nova]

Yh definitely report it since that’s quite busted lol

[frail jasper]

Since they are adding surface AND underworld, I wonder if you will be able to play as zag after the "main story"

[wet nova]

Do you impact it with special?

Activate it then special into the enemy and you’ll see

[exotic coyote]

Where can i submit the bug report?

[wet nova]

#h2-feedback

[frail jasper]

You'd prob need to do some incants to make him not get timestopped / die from breathing literal air but still, it would be fun to double-dash through a more methodical game

[wet nova]

Or tech fixes or smth like that

[granite finch]

ooooooh, damn, thanks. Well that sure was not worded properly

[wet nova]

Feel like this’ll be the end of all hades games so they might just go all out

[wet nova]

Think of it like aspect of Beowulf (without the protection lol)

[frail jasper]

This is their only sequel. They know not to milk it too much. This is most certaintly the end of the hades series, yes

[jaunty cloak]

Is it heresay to say that I actually prefer Mel?

Actually I dont know if that's true

[frail jasper]

Nonono I love her playstle. That + I have been a sucker for magic since the day I... first saw someone use magic in a series or smt like that

[wet nova]

Mel has a clear villain, after 10 clears zag just trains with his dad

[frail jasper]

Has anyone discovered a way to open that door sealed by some red sigil near where eris is in the crossroads, or is that main game content?

Because you can't put a door, clearly sealed with magic, and say you can't go through it

[bleak night]

also, I forgot to say, my right hand is in a claw position because my R buttons don't do anything in battle. So, left hand is on the control stick, right hand in a claw position like a fighting game in an arcade

[jaunty cloak]

I would hate that very much lol

[cloud scarab]

okay the psychic hammer for the axe that lets you sprint and attack while using your omega is FANTASTIC....

[bleak night]

I'm just really used to it ig lol

[frail jasper]

YES

[jaunty cloak]

Oh baby is it ever

BEYBLADE STATUS

[bleak night]

welcome to the spinners

[wild comet]

I kinda wish i came from a fighting game background now

[wet nova]

It’s a fishing point it’s not as important as you think😭😂

[bleak night]

give it a try with Axe though when training with Skelly

[wet nova]

I thought the same dw I got baited too

[cloud scarab]

not sure whether sprinting through everything or setting up shop in a corner, spinning and keeping shield up is the way to go against chronos 😄

[bleak night]

hold attack, then use a different finger to press the dash button while holding the attack

[wild comet]

I will, thanks

[bleak night]

it's funny because I definitely don't play Staff and Skull with claw hand

Somehow it's just the Axe that makes me want to play like this

[restive perch]

what are the best cards to upgrade? besides the death defiance one

[frail jasper]

really? REALLY? THATS ALL IT IS?

[jaunty cloak]

Starting gold if you are rolling that one. I personally like the boon reroll ones as well

[bleak night]

XVIII (Origination) +50% damage to enemies with at least 2 status curses.

[paper hemlock]

Weird, all of the stat buffs and none of the other effects is basically the opposite to what I was thinking

[jaunty cloak]

Ooooh there's also the one that deals increased damage if you use any mana at all lol

[still arrow]

what do i do with eris' trash? surely its not just for me to collect it no? 😅

[bleak night]

It's all run dependent, of course. I just saw the opportunity for Fear nodes that would actually be somewhat beneficial for my build

[paper hemlock]

arrogance, panic and forsaking all seem incredibly free

especially forsaking which honestly feels like a benefit rather than a drawback no matter what you are doing

[bleak night]

oh, I didn't get Forsaking because I really wanted to get the Demeter boon that made me take 15 damage max per hit with 6 earth element boons on me

Hera and Demeter have quite an amount of them, but if they get purged then I'll be screwed if I don't get the 6 in time

[trim thistle]

Is judgement any good fully upgraded, or just a meme/challenge card

[bleak night]

I'm running 11 grasp on 32 heat runs

I really like judgment

[trim thistle]

U ran judgement?

[bleak night]

It makes my Erebus worse, my Oceanus slower, my Fields equally as well, my Chronos 20 cards instead of my original 16 if I had ran 30 grasp

[jaunty cloak]

Does anyone have The Huntress upgrades?

[light pendant]

I absolutely adore judgement

[spark plover]

skull special + hitch = very dead sirens. killed them in less than 10 seconds damn

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238524002373472256/image.png?ex=663f98dc&is=663e475c&hm=149f79291c5d553cc5d4b2726fa86d2d80f6b9233d35de592454885fe41ff8c5&

[distant ocean]

the hammer drought is reaaaal

[trim thistle]

So what 3 cards did you choose

[bleak night]

for reference, this is the amount of cards when I run 30 grasp https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238524171009392650/image.png?ex=663f9905&is=663e4785&hm=95cde4d4cfaedc5141e6936152b041225cf00c8399306cd891939c0e62e21edf&

[bleak night]

11 Grasp Arcana Build (Judgment)

VII (Titan) - +40HP/MP flat
VIII (Unseen) - Magick Regen (probably swap for something else when doing Momus runs)
XII (Eternity) - Death Defiance x3
XX (The Queen) - Higher Duo chance, is automatically active
XXV (Judgment) - After beating a boss, activate 3-5 cards (based on level)

[sturdy meteor]

can anyone reccomend me an axe build ? idk what gods to pick

[jaunty cloak]

Man that judgement card is insane

[bleak night]

Hi there

[sturdy meteor]

its the axe itself

[summer seal]

Too true, and a ton of really good build strategies are gated behind the right hammer. Wish there was some way to make them more available

[bleak night]

I'd like to point you to Apollo and Aphrodite for your first choices of attack spam, make sure to rely on whirling with the Omega. You don't need to charge it to max

[summer seal]

What do you run on the special attack?

[zenith bolt]

demeter attack is also a good pick, and more easily lends to getting weed killer, which is a very large boost

[tulip sonnet]

ROUND TWO CHRONOS—APHRODITE GUIDE ME!

[sturdy meteor]

oooh imma give that a try i tried using zeus on axe with her omega spin i assume it might add blitz to each hit

[bleak night]

run Hephaestus or Demeter on special so you can tap the button in melee range and it will either deal 300-400 damage or freeze your target

it's also the only move in your entire kit with no lag, so having that option is good

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1238524807780499589/20240510163737_1.jpg?ex=663f999c&is=663e481c&hm=57c3e82efd447f772bfffca9a8a314d15937605d9a7c1d746aeeda5c4729497f& I love having infinite mana in region 2

[bleak night]

as a rule though, I almost never charge my shield up

[trim thistle]

I feel like that hera boon is so busted

[bleak night]

I find tapping it is better

[tall notch]

There are lots of ways to get infinite mana, but this one feels by far the easiest and most consistent. Putting just a few poms into it let me reduce the limit to 1

[bleak night]

speaking of infinite mana

Make sure to get Apollo's mana regen and sprint on any axe build

[trim thistle]

It's the best cause other forms of Regen don't Regen when you are preparing omega moves

While that doesn't take into account

[tall notch]

What was Apollo's mana regen?

[tulip heath]

What aspect do you use for the spin life style

[paper hemlock]

how much have you been playing to the point where you already have all of the cards unlocked and upgraded and all the grasp done?

[bleak night]

staying on your cast regens your mana really quickly, so lay it under you and start spinning

[bleak night]

Thanatos is best

[tulip sonnet]

phase two. coarse grit is. doing work.

[tulip heath]

That’s what I’ve heard but I don’t think I have the materials to unlock it

[bleak night]

I got the pets early and I used to run Poseidon all the time, so I got a LOT of gold earlier on. I used those cards to swap for Moondust, and from there all I had to do was collect stuff by using optimal builds to kill the bosses that reward it

[tulip heath]

The spin life style has taken over me though

[bleak night]

by cards, I mean the 'spent 1000 to get a card that you can swap for items' thing by the broker

I have about 63 runs atm though, not counting the Chaos Trial ones

[zenith bolt]

another soul for the spin cycle

[bleak night]

Pet frog being able to get you grasp by being a Tablet of Peace is a great idea, honestly

[tulip sonnet]

I KILLED HIM!

[modern yacht]

Nice

I wonder if we'll get an animal for every tool

[candid patrol]

Infinite Transform Hex lasting 10ish seconds a time is really strong

[median stratus]

the raise enemy hex is absolutely insane. raised one of those boxer guys who then proceeded to solo cerberus for me

[bleak night]

there's a fun glitch attached to that Hex

[candid patrol]

yup that is funny. Problem is most of the time so many fodder enemies that don't do much

[bleak night]

you can trick the Judgment Arcana into believing you killed three guardians during the Scylla fight, so it gives you 15 Arcana in one go

[median stratus]

you can also make one of the trio fight for you 😄

[bleak night]

you can get both to fight her, yeah

[wet nova]

what are all the guardians considered in the game, because charybdis didnt count for me

[candid patrol]

kill one, raise it, kill the other, raise it?

[bleak night]

I think it's Hecate, Scylla, Cerberus, Chronos, Polyphemus and Eris

[earnest nacelle]

does it stack w circe's keepsake

[rocky talon]

currently it's ||Hecate, Scylla, Cerberus, Chronos, Polyphemus, and Eris||

[earnest nacelle]

actually does that keepsake upgrade to 2 cards?

[bleak night]

it does, yeah, but Circe's Keepsake only activates on one guardian, then it's used up

[inland condor]

I had that with 1 prime yesterday