h2-discussion

[whole remnant]

i alwats use JPom

extra boon levels depends on what it is

like its huge on fast trigger blitz or getting blasts down

certain casts do really well like storm ring epic +idk 8 for example is crazy

so it depends. on some boons 4 is great its always great but on some persephone giving more helps

especially blast/blitz imo

like she can give 6 extra levels maxed out

[young trail]

I mean I rarely use Hephaestus since the cooldown annoys me but with Persephone I guess that'd be better

[whole remnant]

just depends how well the boon scales per level

[whole remnant]

heph is about starting epic usually and pomming

two of my 62 dream dives i won because i had 2 second blasts

you need jpom for heph blasts to be viable

[young trail]

Yeah that does sound strong honestly

Does anyone use Ares for their attacks and specials? I don't really feel like he's that great for them. His other boons are usable I suppose but I honestly just get annoyed whenever I see him

[whole remnant]

usually on attack that has a lower cooldown then special but ive had mel staff/circe runs where i get epic heph special and pom it down to three or like rare/epic bridal glow hits it for 2 seconds

[whole remnant]

depends on aspect. i dont mind him on some like okay on Mel Special

but you want grievous blows

[young trail]

Fair enough

[whole remnant]

also Moros attack ive had luck with gblow

without it tho the low % boost is a bumer

bummer

[young trail]

Nah I always get Hestia or Demeter on that

[whole remnant]

neither are really good choices tbh

[young trail]

Oh

[whole remnant]

since you get % on exposion

Nova Strike is good

Sworn Strike

I mean Demeter is fine but id rather have Ares

on hit is better for the special on Moros

like Zeus or Hestia special

but Hera special can be really good too

[young trail]

Yeah but nova strike doesn't do status like hestia

[whole remnant]

yeah but you have multiple slots to inflict curses

[nova oar]

You don't need it to

[whole remnant]

special/cast

[nova oar]

Just take a curse on special and cast yeah

[young trail]

And I use the arcana that deals extra damage with two status on enemies

[whole remnant]

blinding rush drops a 9 second curse

[bitter stirrup]

Ares is most normally recommended on Medea attack because it already has innate % bonus

[whole remnant]

ya ares is good madea attack

[nova oar]

As long as you don't use unseen and excellence it doesn't matter

[bitter stirrup]

Also probably third best on blades attack with Trick Knives

[nova oar]

But yeah origination is goated, best arcana fr

[whole remnant]

ya behind blast or zeus

[young trail]

Take a wild guess which arcanas I do use

[whole remnant]

scorch on attack is also meh for trick knives

[whole remnant]

huge grasp wasters

dump those for sure

unseen is replaced by like any gain

[young trail]

But wouldn't I want a high chance to get higher ranking boons?

[whole remnant]

only 5 grasp worth it like boatman and origination

[whole remnant]

not for 5 grasp

[young trail]

I don't even use boatman

[whole remnant]

plus with jpom common and rare isn;t a huge difference often

[young trail]

I mean I get money from chamber rewards if I need it

With Hermes boon for double money

[whole remnant]

boatman gives you a nice start for early shops

not necessary but better than unseen/excellence

[young trail]

I guess but I don't really need to buy anything in erebos

[whole remnant]

you should

you should always buy boons

boons are so important

plus extra health or magick for certain aspects if you need it

[wet heath]

Ferry men arkana my goat

[harsh bluff]

ferryman is op

[whole remnant]

i never dont buy a boon unless its a god that will only offer replacements or stuff i dont need but i run denial so thats different

if i can afford a boon, i take it

especially erebus, if artificer doesn

t give boons

and doors are mediocre you need those shops to fill out important core boons and such

hammers and boons are most important to run so always buy them especially early in erebus

so yeah boatman and 300 starting gold is big for getting build off thr ground

@spring breach i see you there, i cleared 65f surface twice!

[harsh bluff]

hi guys do you guys consistently beat ||zagreus||?

[young trail]

Not really consistently

[whole remnant]

parray on one with flood gain and mel staff special cheese with epic blitz special and therml dynamics

[young trail]

Only when my build is already somewhat done

But I've just found out that I've been building everything wrong so who knows lol

[whole remnant]

i mean i play frenzy 2 all vows but void and sometimes 3/4 void so usually skip him but to beat him just gotta make use of swift runner/messenger a lot, range helps, dash through attacks, basically avoid getting hit

on lower fear without frenzy especially he is a lot easier

circe on like 50f practice runs i've beaten with mostly cast drops and psychic leash

just gotta drop cast when he does one of his moves where he stops briefly

[spring breach]

Did you?! Congrats 👏

Circe?

Oh wait I see it. Mel Staff and a skull

[whole remnant]

yeah

mel staff was thermal dynamics cheese with sworn strike so backwards

[spring breach]

Pffft

My Mel staff max fear was the same reverse setup too

[whole remnant]

i could drop smolder ring then spam special into other

[untold kindle]

I dont rly agree w the idea of building wrong in a game like this

[whole remnant]

i mean there's definitely better set ups for different weapons and everything

you can disadvantage yourself big time taking arcana not useful to the weapon

on fates whim you get what you get so builds are tougher, but you wanna make smart decisions for what youre offered

[untold kindle]

sure dont use things that arent functional

but there isnt such a thing as wrong after the fact

[whole remnant]

sworn strike was actually useful for crowd control

i had shimmering and melting

so dash strike flurry of spread hitch dip and drop a cast or get away and spam special and melt group

depending if i had just dropped a cast

before dash strike

im trying persephone now for 65

circe might be hard because underworld i used gale and it nerfs damage

leash

damage

and probably will need to stick with gale so idk could be tough. def going for the other skull first

parray or wide grin hopefully

[young trail]

Is Circe any good? I feel like it's a bit weird to use her

[spring breach]

Probably one of the safest and strongest aspects and really easy to use. Heck you don’t even need to upgrade it

Zeus cast is great. Then get his atk/spe and add another god on atk/spe to apply a 2nd curse for origination. And that’s your build

[young trail]

Aren't the familiars a bit too mobile for it to be viable? I just imagine that you'd have to constantly adjust your position so that it hits the enemy which is also moving but you also need to adjust for your familiar running around

[spring breach]

You don’t need to worry about leash too much unless you’re doing like 65+ tbh

The main appeal of Circe is the Double casting and crowd control

I’ve had like 3 or 4 65s and I didn’t even bother leashing 🫠

[bitter stirrup]

Funny thing about Leash is you need the early damage more the higher fear you get but the higher fear you get the more you need Gale who makes the Leash mid

[spring breach]

Yeah he really forces you keep dashing back and forth smh

[bitter stirrup]

I was a Raki truther until I went to 65 and now I think Raki is overrated

[spring breach]

At least Gale can stack casting more often I guess 😂

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I love when Raki decides to peck a banner vs Chronos

[young trail]

So you're telling me that the main thing that the aspect does and which is upgraded when you level it up isn't even needed?

[bitter stirrup]

It probably will consistently do like 60k+ damage over a whole run if you use Raki or Toula

But it's not the main draw of the aspect

[spring breach]

I mean it’s deffo useful to level it up for sure. But below 62 it’s not gonna matter too much tbh

Double casting is still nuts

[charred kayak]

Aspect of circe with apollo's super nova can be really satisfying with the right placement and cast boon

[whole remnant]

yeah i know you dont need to worry toooo much but leash damage can be huge, so you gotta step up your dash strike special game

idk i prefer raki circe but forr 65 cant not run gale, i tried some rakis only one went far underworld, maybe two

surface def need gale

[spring breach]

Picking Raki over Gale deffo feels noticeable, esp when I was doing some 67 attempts

[whole remnant]

62f over 100k easy leash damage surface circe clear

Gale is just so safe

[spring breach]

Leashing with Gale can feel like a pain in the ass. Also cuz vow of arthritis 😭

But that’s just me lmao

[whole remnant]

its almost not worth it with gale besides situations

it made 5th for damge on my 65 UW but it was like 30k just casts/special/dash strike hogged it

and blitz

so they did all the damage and leash creeped up behind the pack in 5th

[whole remnant]

also had my second trick knives surface clear just 62 but with mel

usually pan is my TK crutch with the cast combat loop

Mel Blades are solid TK

Artemis is the only dagger i dont like

blade whatecer

its like the weakest trick knife user and parry is useful sometimes but idk

i usually shoot for a good special on tk like hera/zeus but really whatever works by 62 surface pan had epic nova flourish then reaper later. then attack heph > zeus > ares > hestia otherwise i dont even need an attack if i cant get one of those

non morrigan ofc talking trick knives

special/cast/rush most important core for tk imo

so artemis and i dont really click

[heady phoenix]

I'm doing good, i did a Scylla rivals and just died once, now it is time Cerberus.

Also in another run I did an Hitless Hecate

[static snow]

is h1 u could only have somerhing like 4 different gods boons is that true for h2 also?

[whole remnant]

yeah unless rare situations you can get a fifth from mystery bags when buy them at a shop or they're delivered and there is another god door up

[whole remnant]

so basically yes 4 god pool, rare circumstances 5

also if echo gives you a boon from the night before it can add a god to the pool but thats deep in run usually doesn;t make a difference might get like one extra besides the one you selected

the boon boon boon one

4 is generally the perfect amount i kinda like to shoot for three core gods and one giving supporting boons but its very hard to control sometimes you'll get like all mostly 2 gods boons with the other giving much less all depends on rng

like i had a 65 fear underworld clear where i got so many ares boons(and hera) i activated rallying cry although i had dem who added a one or two earth boons i think plus 2 came from heavenly splendor from narc and one from ground hand of gaia luck

and basically extended family and rallying cry buffed my blitz and wounds up a bunch i could clear it barely

but yeah 4 gods, it can be even or more top heavy towards 2-3 gods

smaller god pool of 4 lets you focus a build

[whole remnant]

like tons of random gods would give you a really unfocused build possibly and harder to shoot for specifics like building around weak, blasts or scorch just for examples. or hit duos or legendary boons.

[brave urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348151957111701517/1505947985912135901/image.png?ex=6a0c7adb&is=6a0b295b&hm=d7ad917b76ae0c79da35243cf6c05280372c5e2b05e42c7e9806ac92fea909e6&

wow I saw Nemi jump into a chaos gate and after that

this dialoque came, never seen it.

[whole remnant]

they added some new dialogue but think ive seen that one before

but maybe it was recent

[brave urchin]

I still have not seen any Heracles bathing, yet.

From the last patch trailer I mean.

I wonder when that will happen.

[whole remnant]

yeah ya gotta get him to visit the party

need max relationship

and dialogue etc

[swift canopy]

Hey there! It’s my first time coming on this discord for something other than update 🫣
I’m a French player and I really want to get better than my very casual playing. But all the charts or guide I find are in English and I struggle to remember the English names for all the boons and effects and connect it to the French description I know. It’s not really a problem but it’s just bothering me sometimes.

Is there any website or something in French that I could use? Or even better if there is a notion (even in English, i could copy and translate it for my use).
I’m really motivated to create my own notion with everything for the community later but for now I’d love to just get back into playing for myself.

Thanks to anyone with a reply and have a nice day🤗

[nova oar]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

This is the best general guide for the game (in English, I can't help with anything French related) but you should be able to translate as needed from this

[swift canopy]

Yeah, I’ve started reading it a few days ago, Thanks you! It’s really well made.

But I don’t think there are global tables or things like that? Maybe there is, i haven’t deep dive in it yet.

Well ig I’ll start working on my own references later using that guide. So if any French is interested in seeing it at any point 🤷🏻‍♀️

[static snow]

icant see kincaid without thinking of spawn

[nova oar]

Maybe? But I don't think so, majority of the game community is English speaking

[static snow]

luthien like tolkein?

[nova oar]

Yes lol

Direct rip

[viscid burrow]

Is Hades 2 the second game or no

[nova oar]

Yes?

[viscid burrow]

Why

[nova oar]

Hades 1 -> Hades 2

[viscid burrow]

When I look up Hades 1 nothing pops up

Thanks for lying to me bud

[stone sonnet]

Try "hades" without the 1

[viscid burrow]

OH it worked

Thank you

[nova oar]

[whole remnant]

huh it was just a character name i used back in World of Warcraft when the game came out and I was like a teenager

[static snow]

billy kincaid is the first main villain in the tvshow and comic spawn

[whole remnant]

i remember the comic and video game spawn

[wide wigeon]

chat is the art director for this game really named jen zee?

and they are not gen z?

[static snow]

am i crazy or is hades 2 kind of? easy?

beat ||chronos|| on like my third run ||I know i have more yet to do but still||

[crude dragon]

The Underworld route is easier than the first game until you start adding in Rivals fights

The Surface isn't

BTW, are Medea and Mel Skull still the only two 67F Surface clears?

[candid nimbus]

The starting weapon also helps, Mel's Staff is leagues better than Zag's sword

[torn wind]

What since when

[candid nimbus]

No, there are 67F clears for almost all weapons excepting 3 of them ||Charon, Thanatos and Supay||

[broken creek]

There's a good few

[torn wind]

They said surface

[broken creek]

Knives has some, circe and mel staff ik both do

[candid nimbus]

Me when I can't read

[torn wind]

But there’s been way more 67 surfaces than just those two afaik

[cursive nacelle]

A lucky hades 2 run can get you much further than a lucky hades 1 run

[broken creek]

Yeah there's a good amount now

[torn wind]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/Ladder

10 different ones submitted to crossroads with video proof

Video is required to be listed on the clears ladder

Only 4 of them are with duplicate weapons

[bitter stirrup]

There are at least a few more that we know have cleared and are just not uploaded too

[torn wind]

2 being Mel skull and 2 being Morrigan

[crude dragon]

Damn, a Nergal 67F

[torn wind]

I got kicked off the ladder I was at the bottom with a 16:47 surface 62 but Conner got on there

[torn wind]

Not surprising. It’s a broken freaking weapon especially if you hit the build

Holds the underworld speed 62 all time record as well

[crude dragon]

The build being Apollo Attack and Psychic Whirlwind?

[torn wind]

Though Raijy rarely submits stuff and idk why

[torn wind]

Hera for wards clear and obviously hitch being giga broken

Apollo is a close second

Oh wait

Also that ladder is only 1 per player

Pretty sure some people have multiple clears so that’s why it wouldn’t show all their clears on the ladder

There’s 20 recorded surface 67’s on crossroads all with video

[torn wind]

Correction Omen beat it with Morrigan by 1 second

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I checked speedcord and purple has Mel Staff, Circe, and Mel Blades all cleared

So it's just the 3 uncleared uw ones plus Eos, Nyx, and Selene

[rustic spire]

Looking at leaderboards and gotta love how busted mom pom keepsake is in both games. Arguably better here than in H1.

[bitter stirrup]

I don't know much about H1 but I don't recall Pom Blossom being all that good

[rustic spire]

Pom Blossom are random levels in a run, so it often saves you the trouble of going for poms. Definitely better in H2, tho, as it's lvl 4 for all boons you pick up, as long as you keep Fates' Whim active.

[broken creek]

Yeah iirc h1 meta was just like athena r1 and acorn r4 is like most of what I remember

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah Pom Blossom is like Supply Chain but worse

[jolly hound]

mom pom kinda ass while jpom is the meta lol

[static snow]

whats fates whim and also how get pom blowsom

or jpom

[rustic spire]

It's a post-credits thing. You'll know when you get there.

[whole remnant]

@bitter stirrup yeah idk looks like chinese

but i would assume Japan has a bigger Hades 2 community

Japan and Korea have big gaming communities especially Japan

main asian countries

so if Japan is into it who knows, I might ask around I have a few Japanese friends from MKW, DKB Emerald Rush and other games that stream and are really good

they may know more about progression there or if Hades 2 is even big there

[gloomy tulip]

jesus christ I have the wildest build ever

I love this game so so so much it's everything hades 1 was but infinitely better

[gloomy tulip]

come to think of it in context of this game it's probably not even that crazy, but it would've been in hades 1

cannot wait to see what busted synergies I find in future runs

I got 98/100 monies from my trove lmfao

[fathom lake]

Feels good

[fathom lake]

Ooooo You are in for a lot of fun

[whole remnant]

hitch + damage lol

or blitz

those two synergize with about everything

[crude dragon]

What was the build?

Don't forget the fun that is a full Blast run

[whole remnant]

persephone blast runs are fun with hera on special

or get breaker rush wave flourish and volcanic strike epic, pom to 2 seconds or at least 3, get the hidden helix, king tide, and duo for faster recharge and you get 1.5-2.2 second blast on attack

and when you o spec triple wave helix

with king tide radius and damage on guardians plus breaker rush best supay rush

[fathom lake]

King Tide its so dumb i love it -w-

[gloomy tulip]

it's in #h2-victory-boasting !!

[whole remnant]

if you can get 2 second volcanic flourish on circe its murder between double casts, leash and ranged blasts

[gloomy tulip]

pls ignore that spelling it's late and I'm tired

[crude dragon]

Yeah, that's barely scratching the surface

[whole remnant]

thats a normal pumped up madea build really

for low fear

Heinous Affront with Epic Light Smite is insane though

or Epic LS and DV

i got so close on 65 fear to a heinous affront LS build

which is soo hard

since you get so few boons

all i needed was the duo

then zeus and ares stopped showing up

and i timed out on rivals chronos

[gloomy tulip]

when do you unlock the god boon list?

I don't think I could properly orchestrate any run in hades 1 wo it

[crude dragon]

Get every god keepsake up to Hera's

[whole remnant]

i only really use my codex to avoid being put into bad swaps since i play denial

[gloomy tulip]

so no ares?

awesome I should be somewhat close to that then

[crude dragon]

Ares, Athena, and Dionysus aren't necessary

[gloomy tulip]

omg athena's in this game is athena dash still goated

[crude dragon]

I do think you need Hermes, Chaos, and Artemis, though

[gloomy tulip]

alr got all 3 lmao

like their keepsakes

[whole remnant]

Athena has great boons

still

[gloomy tulip]

I been handing out nectar to evb (except nemesis)

[crude dragon]

There's better options, but it's still solid

[whole remnant]

but not a regular god

[gloomy tulip]

😔

[gloomy tulip]

this game has so many of those

[viral moat]

my god night bloom is so powerful lmao

just utterly rekt Typhon with it lmao

[whole remnant]

night bloom is decent yeah

[gloomy tulip]

what that

[whole remnant]

a hex

[crude dragon]

The "revive the last enemy you killed" Hex

[gloomy tulip]

oooh gocha

[whole remnant]

i play high fear so i only like really low investment curses

[proper seal]

my gameplay pattern for Hades II is slowly flowing back in my brain

[whole remnant]

mainly twightlight curse and wolf howl

[gloomy tulip]

does the enemy also not die like the duo boon?

I swear I took that hex at some point and the enemy did die

[crude dragon]

It's, like, third or fourth best after Wolf Howl and Twilight Curse

[crude dragon]

If you don't get a specific blue upgrade, they will die after a certain amount of time

[whole remnant]

id say its third

[crude dragon]

The other contender would be Phase Shift, FWIW

[viral moat]

it is soooo op lmao

[whole remnant]

but i really am not big on hexes

[gloomy tulip]

I seeee ok

[whole remnant]

its really not, its okay

[gloomy tulip]

the time slow down one is surprisingly strong

[viral moat]

have you not been upgrading them?

[gloomy tulip]

at least it was w my build

[crude dragon]

I mean, yeah? Should be pretty telling that the two best Hexes are cheap and utility

[crude dragon]

Upgrading a Hex means passing up a different room reward to do so

[whole remnant]

i play 62 and 65 fear now i have used all the hexes and ugraded etc at some point

[viral moat]

it's more useful for getting out of tough sitautions, night bloom hwoever just utterly destroys bosses lmao

[viral moat]

so you're a sicko is what you're saying

[crude dragon]

And at high Fear, that usually means passing up a Boon or HP increase, which is far more valuable

[viral moat]

the hex is often worth it

[gloomy tulip]

I mean tbf everything that considered getting close to me this run instantly disintegrated

[viral moat]

yeah I am too scared to use high fear lmao

[gloomy tulip]

including sirens and cerb

[viral moat]

jesus...

how you manage that

[whole remnant]

hexes that take too much investment just, id rather have boons/hammers

[crude dragon]

Plus a Hex-centered run needs you to be spending MP

[gloomy tulip]

check #h2-victory-boasting , on top of all that I also had like 5 other boons boosting my attack

[viral moat]

hexes can be more useful, depending on which you get

[whole remnant]

i know about hexes okay lol

[gloomy tulip]

I did abt 400dmg per left click

[whole remnant]

i've put like 500 hours into this game

[crude dragon]

Hammers can make or break runs, as can the right Boon

[viral moat]

not bad

[gloomy tulip]

oh wow

[viral moat]

true, but hexes are great, they have saved me more times than I care to admit lmao

[crude dragon]

Hex is more of a "win more" button

[whole remnant]

there are two main hexes i like

Twilight and Wolf Howl

[viral moat]

useful for someone like me who doesn't win that often lmao

[whole remnant]

you're playing low fear though, overall hexes become less powerful also just investing in boons and such is better

[viral moat]

eh maybe, but hexes are fun so ehhhh

[whole remnant]

rarely i've had night bloom and obsession together and allies hits high on the top 5

[crude dragon]

Even low on the Fear ladder, it's usually better to focus on Boons and setting up your Duos and Legendaries

[whole remnant]

true

but before forfeit denial etc

more room for hexes

and DEBT

stupid debt

[crude dragon]

Just Chrolex the Hex away

Heehoo 550 Gold

[whole remnant]

i do often

only time i take a hex is rarely early run if other door is meh

and hope i get twilight curse

or at least wolf howl

if its anywhere late second biome its purged

or after

chaos boons purge too ofc

free room and free gold ill bleed for that

night bloom is probably my third choice

for hexes especially since hera is associated with so many of my great runs

hera and zeus are so good

did you know only one max fear surface clear didn't have hitch

it was nergal with psychic whirlwind and seething marauder with raj playing

so pretty strong nergal combo if you can hack the axe

or mace in nergals case

max fear surface hitch seems so important to make up time for lost arcana, and with hereditary bane its a horde killer

me playing a surface 65 and getting to ephyra and seeing no zeus or hera doors = sad panda

heck even 62 but more managable

and hitch knuckle bones solves VOR3 esp with hbane

no timing out

[limpid stream]

I don’t understand born gain, do I not already restore all mana in the next location

[whole remnant]

next location yes, but when you run out you prime a certain total dependent on rarity and level

and it keeps priming everytime it runs out

[limpid stream]

How does priming help me

[whole remnant]

it doesn't its the cost for a full almost free magick refill

born gain is free magick bar refill

priming is the cost

[limpid stream]

But I already refill magick when I go into the next room no?

[whole remnant]

yeah but some aspects use a lot of magick

thats why there are gains

i dont see what you dont get

[ebon sigil]

you reset the priming amount also...

Born gain at 200 magic that primes 17 each time it goes to zero is like having 1278 magic without even thinking about it.

[whole remnant]

its just like other gains, but they all have stipulations

yeah the prime resets ofc

[ebon sigil]

200
183 Prime 17
166 Prime 17
149 Prime 17
132 Prime 17
115 Prime 17
98 Prime 17
81 Prime 17
64 Prime 17
47 Prime 17
30 Prime 17
13 Prime 17

[whole remnant]

only perma primes are from boons and blessings like icarus ones etc

[ebon sigil]

Total magic = 1278

[whole remnant]

Born gain is great before you take vow of hubris

then it loses some power

[ebon sigil]

it can be good with hubris also, you just have to go for mana pots and keep your magic max up

[limpid stream]

Ok so I have 200/200 magic. I run out of mana room A. Prime 17 magic for the rest of the room. I enter the next room and I have 200/200 magic again. That would have happened with or without priming

[whole remnant]

i mean its better than some, but cardio/flood/lucid are all bettter

[ebon sigil]

yeah, but while you're in room A, you have access to 1200 magic without any strings attached.

[brisk harness]

click born gain to exponentiate your effective max magick for a room basically

[whole remnant]

ITS MAGICK REGEN. ITS A GAIN

GAINS GET YOUR MAGICK BACK

[brisk harness]

without having to bother waiting for it to regen. that's why it's good

slap it on like 250 max magick and it might as well be infinite for most locations

[ebon sigil]

don't think about the next room, just think about this room... gains only affect your current room. Next room its all reset

[whole remnant]

i dont see whats so difficult to understand here. some aspects eat magick for breakfast lunch and dinner

[limpid stream]

I thought prime means you can’t use that amount of mana anymore

[whole remnant]

born gain says you prime for the rest of that location

[ebon sigil]

prime for born gain is room specific

it resets

[whole remnant]

so you are good next room(location)

[limpid stream]

I get that

[whole remnant]

so what dont you get

[ebon sigil]

I don't think you do yet

[whole remnant]

lmao

[brisk harness]

yeah you can't use the 17 that's taken off your 250 let's say. but your bar instantly refills so you have 233 more at your disposal instantly

[limpid stream]

At what point do I end up with magic I would not have otherwise had? When I hit 0/0 then I’m just at 0/0 with 17 primed right

[whole remnant]

this is too much im out but for real born gain is rough high fear on some aspects, like skull parray you want cardio/flood/lucid way more

[ebon sigil]

Do you know how any of the gains work? Maybe we should start there.

[whole remnant]

with forfeit and debt + hubris makes it hard to get enough magick for born gain often

[ebon sigil]

Born gain is infinite magic up till you can't prime any more.

[whole remnant]

but its better than like ionic

grisly gain actually got better

[limpid stream]

Thank you

[ebon sigil]

posidon gain is infinite magic every 8 seconds for a certain period.

[brisk harness]

yeah hubris is actually painful with born gain, without hubris it's insane

[ebon sigil]

demeter is infinite magic, but with the condition you stand still

zeus is infinite magic with the condition you have to pick up the lightning bolt

all the gains are ways of getting magic back during that room.

[whole remnant]

yeah but when hubris is priming you out and you're running like parray or eos idk just examples born gain will zero you out often

[ebon sigil]

you need to gather magic max faster than you are priming from boons with hubris...

but maybe not worth talking about hubris until they actually understand the mechanic

[whole remnant]

thats really hard at 62-65 fear

you have to take free rooms whenever

[brisk harness]

bother with the hubris problem once it's a problem

[whole remnant]

boons and hammers priority

[ebon sigil]

don't think that's zoe's current fear level

[brisk harness]

at like 40+ fear tbh

[whole remnant]

i know i said born gain is good then i was saying just with hubris and other vows it drops off

but its great low/midfear

i was just laughing at the convo but call back to why higher fears cardio/lucid etc are soooo good

[brisk harness]

i like cardio

[whole remnant]

and born gain loses its amazingness

[rustic spire]

Not even then I like using Born Gain, probably helped by playing after post-launch patch 1. The priming thing is way too much of a turn off to me.

[brisk harness]

it's still good even priming this much
used to be you could make it prime 1 by pomming a lot

actual infinite infinite

[whole remnant]

the priming resets born gain is good

[rustic spire]

Cardio is more aspect-dependant, but it's not terrible unless the aspect motivates you to omega a lot.

[whole remnant]

until like high fear

[rustic spire]

Casts are so universally useful that you can hardly ever go wrong with Lucid Gain, no matter the aspect/fear.

[brisk harness]

yeah I can't imagine how anything higher than 40 looks, too much of skill issue

[whole remnant]

if you're not gonna omega a lot you dont need a gain really

i mean i play 62-65 fear

[brisk harness]

if you don't need a gain take aphro gain

[whole remnant]

i only take gains on aspects/builds that need it

[brisk harness]

free weak why not

[rustic spire]

Lucid Gain is to magick recovery what Divine Dash is to dashes in H1.

[whole remnant]

because at 62-65 fear you get so few boons because debt and forfeit you want to make everyoe count

[brisk harness]

i guess

[whole remnant]

like mel staff i only take attack special cast usually

i will take blinding rush

or nexus rush if hera shows up late and i don't have hitch

same for circe

[rustic spire]

Island Getaway duo makes Glamour Gain great, reportedly.

[whole remnant]

like Mel Skulls Parray probably one of the most dominant builds high fear Cardio/Flood gain are best, Lucid works

[brisk harness]

I could never get Island Getaway to work really it always shows up far too late to matter for me

[whole remnant]

yeah im lucky to get the boons to put together duos i want

i shoot for strong core boons i need and good non core if a great duo pops up swoop it up

[rustic spire]

Skulls generally have the best synergy with Cardio Gain, yeah. Don't think there's any skull aspect where you don't use attacks a lot.

[whole remnant]

and ofc hammers that are great

[whole remnant]

Cardio Gain works with regular specials too

so its great on Torches

staffs if you need magick

coats if you need magick

any aspect really

any aspect that needs magick

its one of the best high fear gains

[rustic spire]

Not too sure Cardio can catch up with how I use Moros flames. I use pretty much all omegas on it a lot.

[whole remnant]

you dont need to omega attack with moros

just special

[rustic spire]

Some aspects are too omega-happy for Cardio to be the best picks.

[whole remnant]

you're making moros more magick intensive than it needs to be

I have 62f clear moros surface and uw runs

I know how to play Moros, Cardio is fine

Even Eos which is super Omega happy you can use regular specials in between which you should

and Shiva and Momus people don't really play as intended aspect at high fear often

[rustic spire]

I'd rather have more brain dead low fear plays without paying much mind to how omega-hungry some aspects cam get, so I do have a bit of an issue going for Cardio. Lucid is much better to me.

[whole remnant]

Yeah if you're having an issue with Cardio on Moros on low fear somethings brain dead

Moros isn't even like super magick hungry besides keeping Omega special up

spam attacks you stay in perfect middle of huntress active and regen magick

lucid/cardio/born all amazing low to mid fear gains on most aspects

flood gain invlidates huntress but if you're doing like Eos for example it doesn't matter

and they made Grisly Gain decent

top half of gains overall, aphros is good with like mirrored thrasher or maybe supay spamming omegas with hidden helix

more situational

zeus has an annoying gain

demeter is horrible on frenzy

okay without

forgetting one? oh yeah hephs sucks unless you want it for other reason than a gain

[jolly hound]

cardio may not be able to keep up if its not j pom

and if you take fine line

like if youre going for the incandescent aura dream that also has weed killer for good measure

[whole remnant]

well JPom is standard generally

and the Fine Line build is more Mel Torches

[rustic spire]

Yeah, I'm prone to taking secondary boons that boost omegas in some way, usually with extra magick cost attached. Fine Line is particularly great with Moros.

[whole remnant]

Moros you don't need to spam Omega attacks

[jolly hound]

eh i got my fear PB with moros torches incandescent aura dream with fine line

im biased, cardio gain held up just fine cause it was epic

[whole remnant]

yeah im just saying there isn't really a need for fine line and omegas Moros played normally does insane damage

thats more of a Mel Torch build

[rustic spire]

Yeah, you'd need high lvl/rarity Cardio for it to catch up. I don't have to worry about that as much if I pick up Lucid instead because, again, casts are useful no matter the aspect/fear.

[wet heath]

Prp tip, keep your distance away from ||zag|| in his boss fight

It makes him really easy

[whole remnant]

common jpom is fine for cardio

lucid works too

[rustic spire]

Yes, something ranged makes Zag manageable. One time I beat him with pretty much nothing but Wolf Howl.

[whole remnant]

just saying, Moros you're more focused on chanelling Omega special, not attack

and idk why not to run JPom once you have it

[wet heath]

I beat him rn with the axe special and moon beam

[whole remnant]

frenzy 2 zag is a pain, especially with vow of pain 3 lol

[rustic spire]

My last Zag fight was with Charon axe + Giga Cleaver + Hera special. Think I also had Lucid Gain by then. All about firing the omega special from a distance.

[whole remnant]

i've beaten him with supay and breaker rush/on hit spam with stutter step to dash thru attacks so you dont need range for Zag

messenger casts too

right after he telegra[hs a move he will stay still for

[rustic spire]

I always run JPom. Still prefer Lucid over Cardio for Moros. Cardio is 'fine' in a less braindead fashion, which to me is NOT fine.

I wanna keep things simple to keep it fun. It's why I don't run high fear.

[whole remnant]

Lucid and Cardio are equally good on Moros really

you're always attacking

[rustic spire]

Fates' Whim provides enough variety.

[whole remnant]

but not always dropping casts

casts on cooldown but its a big magick regen

[whole remnant]

sounds like a skill issue tbh

[jolly hound]

apollo attack moros with lucid is prob better than hestia special w cardio in a vacuum, but neither are bad options

[whole remnant]

just telling truth

anyway gotta run but yeah lucid is good

[jolly hound]

be ungovernable, use demeter gain

[whole remnant]

so is cardio, no reason debating two of the best gains in the game

[jolly hound]

ares gain w jpom has gotten substantially better too ngl

[whole remnant]

on frenzy 2 lol

[rustic spire]

I can always drop casts on any aspect if I have Lucid, just for the magick recovery. I don't always need them to catch enemies or channel its omega.

[jolly hound]

henious affront dream on special was my other 50 win lol

*as in, light smite. grisly worked just fine

[rustic spire]

My 'skill issue' is that I have fun cheesing. All you say it's fine to me is not cheesing, which is precisely I don't want to do.

I want my cheese.

[whole remnant]

skill issue is you have problems keeping up with magick on jpom moros

[rustic spire]

I can do tryhard, I just don't want to most of the time.

[whole remnant]

no cheese

[jolly hound]

if you summoned exodia you get to kill all the blue eyes white dragons, thats just how it works

[whole remnant]

just mismanagement of magick

[jolly hound]

hecuba may be worth a take too

[whole remnant]

anyways i dont care, like i said no point debating two of the best gains

its a dumb debate. goodbye.

[jolly hound]

f/m/k, cardio lucid born

[rustic spire]

Probably my least used/favorite gain, next to Tough Gain... and yet I think it may have fine synergy with Supay as long as you aren't on a time limit.

[whole remnant]

kill born

[rustic spire]

Sometimes I kinda miss using Supay, but not in the mood to running it again just yet.

[jolly hound]

supay has a rough start for sure

[rustic spire]

Yeah, like, I like trying to go for Exodia. Save the Blue Eyes White Dragons if RNG forces me to.

[broken creek]

Uhh k/m/f in that order

[rustic spire]

This is why I like Fates' Whim and not just because JPom is OP.

[whole remnant]

im not a try hard either btw, i play my skill level

when the game gets easy i move up

[rustic spire]

Not having to stress too much over rerolling rooms/boons is more interesting.

[whole remnant]

i pushed the dial as far as i can go

67 is out of my pay range

[jolly hound]

ive gotten to 50 a few times

[whole remnant]

but 65 with some luck and an exodia build maybe

[jolly hound]

made it to chronos at 60 once and got one shot lol

[whole remnant]

i've cleared 65 UW 5 times, 65 Surface 2

lots of 62 clears

62 much easier

62 to 65 to 67 are massive jumps for small numbers

[rustic spire]

Yeah, I'm built differently. I just beat 32 fear once, then back to 12 fear with only max rivals. Not in this for the challenge of higher fears.

[whole remnant]

whats the point of a roguelike then, just playing easy wins of the same two routes

id get bored after a run and switch games

idk you do you, but sounds like that will get old here not too long

[jolly anvil]

should i be dashing much at all mid fight when using medea skull?

[broken creek]

Yeah the special doesnt give iframes

[rustic spire]

Don't need this challenge to have fun. Again, built differently and Fates' Whim and Darkest Thirst gives enough variety to keep runs interesting to me.

[jolly anvil]

finally realize im supposed to be rolling my thumb from attack to special and it feels sm more natural

but i never know when to dash if thats the combo ur always supposed to use

[whole remnant]

its not challenge, but repitition without challenge

[jolly anvil]

is there a pattern to follow or just do it when its right

[rustic spire]

Also, still not entirely out of new dialogue in either route, so I can do without the stress of high fears holding back my runs.

[jolly hound]

definitely, you get so up in the bad guy's faces that dashing back is important for safety. i remapped special to a back button so i could do attack-special without requiring moving my thumb, prior to doing that i was dogwater with medea

[broken creek]

When its right

Get as many reps for damage in thats safe then dash when necessary

[jolly anvil]

ive basically just been doing roll my thumb from y to x and aiming w the joystick

[whole remnant]

there is like hardly any new dialogue lol

anyways never mind

[rustic spire]

You seem to have an issue grasping idgaf about not having challenge in higher fears.

[broken creek]

Medea is a very high skill ceiling weapon

[jolly anvil]

oh yea def i can see itd be annoying to be dashing in between that

honestly just figuring out the roll my thumb thing was such a game changer so im gonna see if i can get thru a run fine without needing to remap anything

[jolly anvil]

fair enough yea

i was messing around a lot trying to either load all my skulls or just running frantically to not get hit

[jolly hound]

that's fair, i have back buttons on my controller and at this point i cannot live without them

[jolly anvil]

yea everyone in this server seems to bind their attack buttons elsewhere lol

[jolly hound]

cast on left middle finger, special on right middle finger, A and X never get used lol

Y for attack B for dash (nintendo controller, so 9:00 and 6:00 respectively if youre not)

[jolly anvil]

honestly im trying to avoid that completely cuz i got through all my time in the og game with the default controls (except i remapped reload for rail onto a shoulder button)

[jolly hound]

if you do remap youll get lit up like 3 or 4 times then youll have the hang of it

[jolly anvil]

i rem trying that once and i kept just instinctively pressing the og buttons, ik itd be fine after a run or two tho

lmao yea exactly

[jolly hound]

do what makes your heart sing

[jolly anvil]

just beat the main story of the game yesterday so i finally feel free to mess around

[jolly hound]

im just old and trying to minimize future arthritis

[jolly anvil]

fair enough lol

i just took a bath w nemesis life is good

[jolly hound]

there's a coach at my gym that looks like nemesis

it's awesome (and yes shes like, 6'2 and has enormous biceps)

[jolly anvil]

lucky man

[jolly hound]

nobody at the gym has played hades so only i get amused by it

oh well

[rustic spire]

Until you accidentally call your coach Nem.

[jolly hound]

it's happened before, music was too loud so she didn't hear me and now i'm pretty good at not repeating that mistake lol

she also leaves her giant ass sword at home which helps

[eager gust]

god i hate that tentacle boss on the surface (i cant remember its name 😭)

if i see them on a run i just contemplate resetting

[heady phoenix]

Charibdys

[timid hatch]

Hmm.

Just how much stronger would Aspect of Selene be if, instead of just ranks just changing the Hex-readiness requirement with ranks, it gave a magic regen effect (equal to 1x or 2x rank per second) with an equivalent amount of Hex-readiness progression?

I feel like that would make it a fairly strong aspect without even being among the strongest aspects?

[eager gust]

ive never had any interest in selene coat bc i barely ever use hexes

[timid hatch]

It comes with a free hex which isn't necessarily trivial but is pretty weak for an Aspect benefit (especially since it... isn't necessarily even the best hex available, arguably is one of the weaker ones).

If it did that AND came with magic regen (plus the boosted usability of that magic regen progressing the hex) it would be much stronger.

It'd be like having an extra (albeit fairly weak) Gain boon, like if Unseen cost 0 Arcana points instead of the absurd 5, but even better

(Which like... yeah Unseen is a terrible card but that's mainly due to its cost-effect ratio, free would be a big help on many builds)

Admittedly Coat doesn't have the bestest best Omegas but with Omega-boosting boons it could be pretty solid I think

...I say this while my best Surface time iirc is, somehow, on Selene.

My understanding is it's usually considered pretty weak though

I like hexes, personally, even as someone who often forgets to use both my hexes and my casts, heh

[crude dragon]

That'd help a decent amount, since one of its issues is that it wants you to spend MP on a weapon with bad Omegas

[dense notch]

yall does frenzy affect how fast the enemies spawn like it did in Hades I?

[crude dragon]

It does

[dense notch]

ok ty :3

[terse rampart]

How many items are there from dream dives? (kudos / stars items)

[jolly hound]

i wanna say like, 10 full dream dives worth of them, maybe a bit less

[torn wind]

I think the total cost is like 97 stars

[hushed cloak]

finally caved and swapped out exellence for origination and

holy hell things just melted

[torn wind]

Yeah… excellence is considered within bottom 3 worst arcana in the game and origination is probably top 3 if not top 1

Believe it or not a 50% global damage buff that’s easy to activate is pretty damn strong

[lean bronze]

my favourite duo
Excellence unseen

[wispy forum]

can someone remind me

medea --> circe --> dionysus --> ?

[tranquil wren]

no one

[hushed cloak]

for surface npcs?

[tranquil wren]

I assume so

there's no summit NPC

[wispy forum]

yup yup!

and figures why i couldn't seem to remember

[hushed cloak]

theres also heracles, icarus, and athena

[tranquil wren]

yeah there's also technically hermes, but we're mainly talking about a dedicated NPC room

[hushed cloak]

hermes has the shop

also weekly time to drop something that i enjoy about this game

the gifting system is way better here than in h1

now its not just mindlessly handing out nectar, people can refuse and deepen relationships in other ways and it does so much to drive their characters

h1 did do this slightly with hades initially refusing to be gifted nectar and whatnot but you get what i mean

[torn wind]

You also can get Athena from Olympus

[wispy forum]

hm, i guess she technically counts, sort of

different rules and all tho obv

oh wait no, she doesn't count

she's in the same category as icarus, thanatos, nemesis, etc

[torn wind]

She’s still an NPC that appears in a specific region

(Not counting gorgon amulet obviously)

[wispy forum]

i wasn't clear with my categorizing; i was referring to surface NPCs in "quiet" rooms, instead of the ones who help you clear encounters

[torn wind]

Athena don’t help me she gives me extra waves, makes me do the work, then takes the credit at the end like a damn moocher

[wispy forum]

i forgive it because she looks insanely cool when she lands

[torn wind]

She’s a time loss and that sucks

But yeah

[rustic spire]

Technically Hermes at Summit, but he offers nothing besides dialogue, so he doesn't count.

[tranquil wren]

_ _

[rustic spire]

But if you only care about "quiet" rooms, he shows up at the shop room right before Typhon, so... still doesn't count.

[tranquil wren]

the question seemed limited to only the NPC rooms with the specific icon of the clasped hands (e.g., echo, narcissus, medea, etc)

[primal vault]

how do i upgrade aspect of anubis? i cant see it in the silver pool despite me having it

[nova oar]

If you have it and can use it then it's in the silver pool

[primal vault]

its not there

does it just have one upgrade?

i will admit i did use a save editor but legitimately the only thing i used it for was to give myself like 20 ashes

i didnt have that aspect after using it though

it appeared at some point after i had a run where i talked to circe

[cunning laurel]

you were so impatient for 20 ashes you edited the save? 🙏

[primal vault]

yeah but its my game who cares

doesnt impact anyone else, id rather just know why it isnt showing

[nova oar]

You bugged your save lol

[wind glen]

Boys. I finally got to the end of the surface. I was feeling elevated. I was about to see the end area. And my power went out. I’m borderline emotional.

[primal vault]

i had a similar situation for the last weapon

[reef sail]

Sounds like you might care since it’s causing issues

[nova oar]

Probably won't be able to 100% the game

[primal vault]

it didnt show in the silver pool until i reset my game

[nova oar]

And be blocked from things

[primal vault]

and that was before any save editing

[nova oar]

You'll get there again

[primal vault]

how do you have any proof of this though

[wind glen]

I’m hoping it auto saved. I got the trophy.

[primal vault]

like i said it didnt unlock after i did it anyways

[reef sail]

Well for one thing, your game isn’t letting you do something it does for everyone else

[primal vault]

it unlocked how it normally is according to the wiki

[nova oar]

Because just about everyone who come in here altering their save has had their game bug out

Someone broke the true ending by giving themselves 80 nectar

[primal vault]

how though? im not doubting but how would that impact it

[nova oar]

No clue how it works, I didn't code the game

[primal vault]

welp

worst case scenario if it doesnt work after restarting i have another save from EA times that is abt the same spot story wise

[jolly anvil]

is there an objectively best coat aspect?

coolest weapon to me by far so i rlly wanna make it work

[candid nimbus]

Probably Aspect of Nyx? Its ability to clear rooms is great

[nova oar]

Anything but selene

[jolly anvil]

so funny how views on basically every weapon are so split

didnt feel like this for the og game it was always generally agreed what was good what was ok what was trash

good to note tho i was gonna max that lol

[proud swift]

Mainly because in the first game shield cleared everything else.

[candid nimbus]

Aspect of Selene is fun to use, I'd not trust the opinions of a hater on a specific regard

Yeah, that also means not trusting my opinions on Time 3

[nova oar]

At everything but the highest difficulty, any aspect and boons are strong enough to clear a run

[prime iron]

Beowulf flashbacks

[nova oar]

It comes down to what is weaker and stronger within that, and personal preference

[jolly anvil]

hated beowulf tbh

[jolly anvil]

i think i preferred rail either way

annoyingly medea skull feels like the new beowulf and i really wanna like it but it just doesnt feel natural

[candid nimbus]

On the first game, almost none of the Zagreus aspects felt good to me

And the Knuclels felt a bit samesie as aspects lol

[jolly anvil]

yea mel aspects are definitely usable for once here

[reef sail]

You need to take the rebind special and cast to shoulder buttons pill

[jolly anvil]

for beo or skull or both

[reef sail]

Both

[candid nimbus]

But with this game, I genuinely don't dislike any aspect. The closets thing is Mel's Axe and even then I use it and it's fun

[reef sail]

For h1 I never rebound special but I def put cast on r shoulder for beo

[jolly anvil]

i did it for beo yea i mightt try it for skull down the line but it seems most ppl do fine with it on the regular buttons

[reef sail]

Here I have special on left shoulder and cast on right shoulder

[jolly anvil]

i will say i got an ok fast clear with it in my last run

the damage is actually ridiculous

[jolly anvil]

i agree theyre definitely more balanced

you need to be familiar with the controls though and i dont like weapons that force you to rebind for that one specific build

[reef sail]

Compared to h1 I feel it’s much easier to have a unified controller scheme for every weapon here

No weird outliers like Hestia and beo/hera making it so you need different ones

[jolly anvil]

i dont think i committed to any beo/hera builds really

[primal vault]

can artemis spawn in any area

[jolly anvil]

hestia rail was totally fine probably my second favorite in the game

[worldly mantle]

no

[jolly anvil]

it only needs one rebind for the reload to the shoulder button and it doesnt mess with any of the other buttons

[reef sail]

I had to put reload on right shoulder for hestia rail

[primal vault]

what areas is she restricted to

[reef sail]

The other rails I didn’t need to

[jolly anvil]

same

[jolly anvil]

it helps for the others too especially eris

rail was by fair my favorite weapon

[worldly mantle]

in underworld artemis can spawn in erebus and oceanus when the chamber reward is non-menu or a pom. in surface she can spawn in ephyra only on the centaur heart or magick rooms

[jolly anvil]

eris/hestia for speed (even tho hestia plays incredibly different i had very similar times on both), lucifer for plain fun

[jolly anvil]

weird i did left

[terse rampart]

About to start doing material farm for long arm of the unseen. Anyone know the material requirements in total? (I'm hoping no surface final boss materials....)

[bitter stirrup]

Not sure if this is still accurate, but wiki says in total you need:
95000 Kudos, 15 Moondust, 15 Nightmare, and 15 each of all the boss materials

Seems accurate to me from the little that I remember

[terse rampart]

ugh..... not the eye ball & feather farm.....

[jolly hound]

you’ll be comfortable with those fights by the time you get near the end of your quest

[nova oar]

This doesn't sound right but it's been a while

[worldly mantle]

Sounds right to me, at least on the materials end

From 1 up to 5 materials over 5 cycles is 15

It's pretty much just 15 surface clears and 15 underworld

[nova oar]

Completely forgot it was 5 not 10

[worldly mantle]

Wish it went up higher, I wish I still had things to unlock

Maybe to like 20

I guess I'd probably still have that unlocked anyway

[proud swift]

Im surprised they made the ranks so much more lenient than in Hades 1.

[reef sail]

I’m not, the darkness grind in h1 was truly ridiculous

Sounds like maybe they overshot the mark a bit but

[proud swift]

I thought it being ridiculous was sort of the idea, to give players something to grind for if they're crazy.

[nova oar]

Hades 2 as a whole has been alot more accessible and easier in general

Also

Are there chaos trials for dream dives?

[lean bronze]

no

[nova oar]

Shame

[terse rampart]

I'll be honest I don't want to see chaos dream dives..... random everything sounds horrid (I know alot of people who would like it though)

[lean bronze]

as long as fear isnt involved it should be chill tbh
Randomised fear would be insane
Casual 67f summit start

with supay

[terse rampart]

No thank you....

Supay is.... something I'll give it that

[wet heath]

How the hell????, im still figuring out how to play supay XD

[nova oar]

Yeah it'd be mad fun

[terse rampart]

It is a weird / aggravating weapon imo

[nova oar]

Gcb/a trials got to be fairly easy for me so I would love a dream dives one but oh well

[wet heath]

I realised once i tried to do a run with it (didnt make it out of the first room)

[terse rampart]

I still have some chaos trials leftover, but I don't feel like doing them simply cause I don't need the material anymore / some of those trials are not fun....

[lean bronze]

olympian damage
Dont charge s, we are too chad to need them

[wet heath]

Fair enough

[nova oar]

Supay requires omegas to live for the first region at least

[lean bronze]

Boon damage, and 10 dmg per hit supay hits

[wet heath]

Also playing fates whim finnaly made me enjoy a special build XD

[nova oar]

If you want any sort of decent time/over 50f

[terse rampart]

Fates Whim made so many runs fun for me!

[lean bronze]

i dont do high fear with it so i get to mess around

[candid nimbus]

Omegas feel like a needed early game tool for Supay, yes

[wet heath]

Same for me, id give up if i didnt get anything fun for main atk but i had a super fun run with special thanatos

[candid nimbus]

Once you start getting things like Blitz/Scorch/Static Shock/a good dash boon, you start ignoring it

[lean bronze]

i tried a no dash boon no omega supay run
Its reallll annoying

[nova oar]

The only reason I ever play thanatos is for an ocast build

[candid nimbus]

I did it with Blinding Rush lol

[nova oar]

For when I was doing all aspects 40f

[broken creek]

RIP EA medea buffing literally everything

EA medea cast builds were funny asf

[wet heath]

I play thanatos cuz i dont like slow weapons, and i like the atk speed buff for the beginning XD

[lean bronze]

thats still rush boon that helps with dodging and orig
Nah

Jokes aside i play supay normally most of the time guys dw

[nova oar]

It's still my least favourite axe aspect :P

[wet heath]

Whats your Fave aspect if i may ask :3

[nova oar]

Supay is funny in that the aspect bonus just kinda does nothing most of the time

[candid nimbus]

Sometimes I have a pretty standard Supay run

Sometimes I have a Wolf Howl Supay run, or a Cut Above run

It is just funny lol

[nova oar]

Overall, circe or shiva, for the other weapons it's morrigan, charon, moros, medea/mel skulls

[lean bronze]

ye
I rarely get a good damaging rush boon before i get good olympian dmg from other stuff going

[wet heath]

Ah oka, i havent played much skulls/coat yet, and i wjll try out the charon aspect when i get free time

[grave flame]

Great chaos below is beating my behind

[nova oar]

If you for whatever reason get hera rush first boon/in the first few encounters then it goes hard but yeah rush builds aren't a thing like they were in the first game

[lean bronze]

-reset til orig
-Win

[grave flame]

What is orig ?

Sorry if dumb question

[nova oar]

Origination

Best arcana, never take it off

[lean bronze]

nexus rush start was AWESOME the ONE time i got it

[grave flame]

No yeah, i guessed that, but what is it, i m trash at names still

Gotcha

[broken creek]

50% damage bonus with 2 curses active

[grave flame]

So i need to check for that

Thanks à bunch

If i clear this i got the plat trophy

[broken creek]

also you could always just reset until you get a fear setup youre ok with

since ik great chaos can be mean sometimes with like pain3 scars3

[grave flame]

I had one last try, but i choked during Chronos P2

60% more damage taken tho

[broken creek]

did you roll discordant early or smth 😭

[nova oar]

Yeah sometimes it's worth it

To reroll

[lean bronze]

has anyone done a hel 67 yet? After the patch

[broken creek]

yeah

only 4 weapons without a 67 are thanatos, charon, supay, and anubis

[wet heath]

What was the patch?

[nova oar]

I didn't get good at consistently clearing gcb/a until after I cleared 62f

[lean bronze]

wait what

[grave flame]

I did... Oceanus...

[lean bronze]

[broken creek]

twin you did not clear 67 😭

[nova oar]

62

[bitter stirrup]

Nah they were both pre-patch, Oattack still not that amazing high fear I would say

[nova oar]

IMEANT 62

Y'all were talking about it and I got confuzzled

[lean bronze]

oh
I guess i got confused my bad

van is getting soup 67
Believe

[stone sonnet]

Finally got a damageless ||typhon|| fight

Hasty retreat and wispy wiles adding up to 51% to dodge really helped lol

Lunar ray dealing about 10k damage each time I used it also helped

[worldly mantle]

Congratulations!

[lean bronze]

just gotta heat the pot and make your rush blinding

[stone sonnet]

I had aphrodite legendary for the daze luckily

[real scarab]

Max fear anubis has been cleared both routes

[prime iron]

supay 67 seems absolutely insane

[wet heath]

Is 67 fear the max?

[worldly mantle]

yes

[nova oar]

Unfortunately no

#h2-victory-boasting message

[north quail]

Does anyone happen to know if Greatest Gift of Gaia also auto-grabs the free rewards you get in the final regions for having high enough fear? I’m tempted yet also too nervous to check it myself

[real scarab]

No

[worldly mantle]

No it does not apply you still have to grab them

[nova oar]

No

[real scarab]

No

[nova oar]

No

[worldly mantle]

No ✋😔

[north quail]

Hmm I’m getting the subtle sense that the answer might be no

[nova oar]

[marsh spear]

Today I'm brainstorming Hexes
(is bored at work)

[nova oar]

Is it about deleting all of them and selene from the game

[marsh spear]

NO

User name checks out lol

[north quail]

Wow nothing like final Tartarus Charon offering literally ZERO boons.

[nova oar]

[marsh spear]

🌒🌕🌘
Paraselene
Summons two shadow clones of Melinoë that mimic her attacks and specials for less damage and attract enemies' attention.

Can be upgraded to intensify clone damage and to grant Mel criticals on her next attack and move speed.

Sublimes allow diverting incoming damage to clones and them dropping omega cast on death.

Godsent:
Debauchery of Dionysus
🌙🍷
Mel and each clone summon a Festive Fog that increases your damage while in it and stuns enemies.

[nova oar]

Ngl this might actually be one of the good hexes, however I reckon any npc should be able to godsend it (Artemis, nemesis, athena, heracles, ect.)

[marsh spear]

Ehhh I'm experimenting, still have other two hexes in mind for Athena and Artemis.
I think only Olympians should godsend

[nova oar]

From a balancing perspective I would just be worried about the consistency of seeing them compared to normal boon givers

[marsh spear]

Herakles godsending is very interesting.
Nemesis does dislike Selene

[marsh spear]

Ah good point.
I am juggling the idea of Dio and Art as core gods, but it's all a mess rn

[marsh spear]

🌑
Descending Node
... Hades's Aid.
It's just Hades's Aid from the first game lol.

Godsent:
Prowling of Artemis
🌙🏹
Guaranteed Criticals in the next 12 attacks/specials

[nova oar]

So just aspect of Artemis but on any aspect?

Interesting, could work

[marsh spear]

Yeah... I feel i should think that over, feels a bit derivative

[nova oar]

Is it attack and special specifically or attacks and specials

[marsh spear]

Perhaps, Mark everything?

[marsh spear]

I'm thinking only regular. Not omegas

[nova oar]

Possibly

[marsh spear]

For the sake of balance and Huntress theme

[nova oar]

Yeah ok, makes it a bit more niche but hexes as whole are so yeah

Makes sense

[warm lotus]

Odysseus

[nova oar]

[prime iron]

uh

guaranteed criticals...?

is that insane or am i just like losing it

[nova oar]

On a godsent hex it would be fine

Like Artemis is considered one of the worst aspects in the game (without trickslop)

You can take antler to give you very high percentage of crits

12 attack and/or special crits is fairly balanced on a hex imo

[prime iron]

bweh i guess

it just feels kind of like it could make entire runs and idk if i like that ;-;

[nova oar]

Definitely not

If it applies to non omegas then you still need to charge the hex, wait out the duration, and charge it again

[split shuttle]

i mean trick knives and parray exist so like

[nova oar]

Having an actual broken hex would be good

[prime iron]

also like how good is the morrigan

because it looks cool as hell and i wanna use it

[marsh spear]

It's gooooood
And fuuuuuun

[prime iron]

:D

[whole remnant]

Morrigan is pretty amazing

its even strong high fear, not a meta high fear weapon but close

it has two main hammers it can play off

sweeping ambush or final slice

[prime iron]

:D yayyyy

[whole remnant]

and the onslaughts are good

I cleared 62 fear UW/Surface/Dream Dive with it

[prime iron]

i really wanna do high fear runs and im sure i could eventually but the rivals fights are so much harder than the h1 equivalent and it scares me

[whole remnant]

only 3 rival fights are rough with practice

sirens chronos and typhon with bad rng

[prime iron]

out of 4 or 8

[whole remnant]

3 of 8

but I dont thik Typhon is too bad

[prime iron]

sirens seems harder than anything else hell could throw at me

[whole remnant]

just if you have bad luck with some of his moves its hard to dash through or get to safe spots

[prime iron]

charybdis my behated

[prime iron]

yeahhh i see that

[whole remnant]

Hecate is only hard because Erebus is hard to get out of without timing out on

5 minutes

need to hit free doors, hopefully artemis shows up to stop timer

etc

[prime iron]

i can usually do that :D

[whole remnant]

i mean on 62+

all vows besides void or including void

i play 62 and 65

65 especially its hard because you only have so little arcana to start with you dont get cards until you beat guardians

i start with artificer for boons/health etc, persistance, and swift runner

on the surface i switch artificer for lovers

but rivals fights on frenzy 2 can be challenging but just gotta learn patterns

you also want to be on frenzy 2 first

[prime iron]

im like constantly on f2

i dont live without it the game goes too slow otherwise

[whole remnant]

because if you learn the fight first then add f2 you gotta relearn it

thats good

[prime iron]

:D

morrigan in concept just looks so sick

lim and oros are like not my usual playstyle or they're just hard to learn and require skill

been trying to get used to them though, no trick knives yet but i feel like that would kill on pan

[marsh spear]

🌕
Gravity Lock
Creates a massive narrow ring of moonlight around Melinoë that deals heavy damage and immobilises foes.

Can be upgraded to become a full Cast with the cast boon benefits.

🌕🦉
Aegis of Athena
Melinoë is invulnerable while inside the ring.
(It's very few seconds)

[wet heath]

XD, i wish i could add mods but i got thr game on gamepass and i aint droppin 100 polish bucks just to mod the game

[bitter stirrup]

Honestly to me Promacles is way harder than Typhon right now because I just always Antler Typhon

[whole remnant]

depends on if you have hitch

hitch promcles goes down

Typhon is not hard

but eyeshots

rng

can screw you

and a few other tounge scythe combos

there is a little luck but yeah Antler runs over Typon

typhon

but Hitch esp with H Bane and Bones makes that fight a breeze

[prime iron]

artemis wont give me the frickin dialogue

and its driving me insane

[bitter stirrup]

Recently I've been having kind of a Mental Block (Athena reference???) with Olympus and Heroes because I know they're kinda the true final boss of surface 62-65, and I just keep either choking or just timing out in Olympus

I swear like 70% of the damage I take in surface runs are from Olympus

[whole remnant]

idk ive only cleared surface twice on 65

but more on 62

thessaly and olympus are tough

but Hitch and knuckle bones makes that fight fast if the rest of your build is good

[whole remnant]

my winning runs usually have very little damage taken

its usually like i do very well or i get smacked around and lose

[bitter stirrup]

Recently I've been losing like 90% of my effective HP in Olympus or just to heroes then taking like 1 or 2 instances of damage in Summit

[whole remnant]

i have an untouchable 65f underworld

so low damage taken besides taking a DD loss in Tartarus

summit esp first room can eff you up

[bitter stirrup]

Untouchable is no boss damage right

[whole remnant]

yeah

plenty of 62f untoucable

but a 65f i didn't even realize

i had epic nitro boost and turned lovers after hecate

so that helped

[whole remnant]

send you a dm

sent

[lean dove]

can you unlock the animal familiars in any order, or does it need to specifically go: frinos, toula, raki, hecuba, gale?

[nova oar]

Frinos, toula/raki, then hecuba/gale

[lean dove]

ahhh

[wet heath]

Where do you find raki? Theya te the only one im missin

[prime iron]

uhh

erebus fountain

[wet heath]

Thank you<3

[prime iron]

<3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/880032834050478101/1506228996105441292/image.png?ex=6a0d8091&is=6a0c2f11&hm=b0c06b19477b8000a8a7950fd484654378a871ace3ad1a719550b33f06dd64dd& hehe

this makes me unreasonably happy

(blitz attack, arc flash and psychic whirlwind because the image didnt load :c)

[night veldt]

Does anybody know why Snake Reed and Cattail are still marked as useful reagents when I've already finished the game and there's no recipes at the cauldron that use them?

Ashes and Psyche I guess cos there are still Shadow Essence that can be brewed infinitely, but nothing uses Cattail and Snake Reed

[terse rampart]

There are certain kudo items that use them I believe / there are certain character specific craftables / spells

[night veldt]

I think I've already done all of them, but can never be surw

[terse rampart]

Have you maxed out all the characters?

[night veldt]

I have, bond forged, all hearts too

[dusk dove]

just curious, do you guys rebind attack and special on LT and RT or keep the same? (already beaten the game on pc, just trying out using a controller)
i just realised how hard it so quickly switch between attacks is on a controller even though its reccomended