h2-discussion

[harsh bluff]

what is the best keepsake for knives?

[slow sphinx]

None

But I now have aspects of weapons

[willow fog]

Wait, you havent unlocked familiars period?

[torn wind]

They don’t have the incantation yet to get familiars we established that

[stone thistle]

if you have played hades 1 then think of it as spending the drop things to add more levels in the mirror

[willow fog]

Tbh its mostly just keep meeting hecate

[slow sphinx]

That's what I'm saying

[willow fog]

Eventually she'll tell you

[torn wind]

Just keep playing the game normally

[willow fog]

I thought you didnt unlock upgrading them

[torn wind]

Like it’s just a thing that happens eventually

[willow fog]

Took me 11 runs to reach

[torn wind]

The game kinda unlocks things at its own pace and sometimes it can get messed up by dialogue overrides

[slow sphinx]

The familiars?

[willow fog]

Artemis still owes me morrigan

[slow sphinx]

I'm on night 19

[willow fog]

Familiar, singular

Yap to frinos more tbh

[torn wind]

If a character is forced to say something they can get messed up on saying something else you could have them say to unlock something

[slow sphinx]

Lol 4 times is alot of yapping

[willow fog]

I knew an unlucky guy who didnt get Moros till after his first surface run

[slow sphinx]

I was hoping he would jump

[willow fog]

I yap every run

[slow sphinx]

[harsh bluff]

i guess i will take demeter for blades

[stone thistle]

as do i

[willow fog]

Demeter is underrated

[slow sphinx]

This has to be a bug

[willow fog]

Really, really good defensive boons

[willow fog]

Its a frog

[slow sphinx]

I'm already on rival runs

[stone thistle]

if you can get the axe then i think that is a great weapon

[harsh bluff]

i have the axe

i also beat scyla with axe jn

[willow fog]

Demeter axe goes hard

||nergal|| axe demeter

[harsh bluff]

but rn i get whatever gives me bones

[willow fog]

Pause everyone elses game and land a true combo

[harsh bluff]

im a capitalists

ill take frigid rush first one

it could be arctic ring tho

hmm

[stone thistle]

you running god mode or normal

also is god mode frowned appon in this community

[willow fog]

Not rly

God mode is fine, but flexing with god mode on is

[stone thistle]

have you talked to any of the animals that are around

like the crow in the sanctuaary in erabos

cause i think that is inportant to it

i got the shiimering rockets upgrade from deadules hammer

combined with the exploding thing from hiesta and the scortch i can do a ton of dammage to a lot of foes

although i need to find a boon that aloughs for magik regen or else this does not bode well

I GOT PYRO TECHNICHE

[nova oar]

Noone cares unless yeah you start bragging or putting up high fear runs/speedruns

[stone thistle]

cool thank you for informing me

freed cebrus

[torn wind]

Yeah like play god mode if it makes you enjoy the game

Don’t let anybody tell you this game is “easy” since easy is relative

[willow fog]

Its an accessibility feature

It doesnt make our game worse

Tbh its very well designed

It wont play the game for you but it lets you play clumsier and still win

[torn wind]

Play however you want and if god mode makes it fun then play that

The only reason not to run god mode is if you want to take the game seriously and have people take higher level accomplishments more seriously

[willow fog]

Mhm, never popped god mode myself

I was tempted in H1 tho

[timid coyote]

I like Hades 2

[limpid stream]

I hit a difficulty ceiling I think I need how to actually play the game now help

[worldly mantle]

^^^ enjoy the game, first and foremost. No shame in however it is you go about that

[prisma monolith]

Care to elaborate?

[worldly mantle]

What are you struggling with in particular, if you don't mind me asking?

[limpid stream]

VOR Eris is probably my biggest barrier

[torn wind]

Hang out in the middle of the arena when she goes up and just always run at her and get behind her when she lands

She always fires towards the middle of the arena or to the side

[worldly mantle]

It might help to watch and learn her animation tells and if you have a ranged option to blow up the bombs safely, do that

[torn wind]

Yeah just explode the bombs as she’s dropping them so you don’t eat damage to those

[willow fog]

I think most weps have ranged options, except coat cuz lmao

[limpid stream]

All of this is good advice but genuinely I do just kinda need to learn to play the game lol. I don’t use omegas in anything but torches

[worldly mantle]

I blow up bombs with coat special

[torn wind]

Rule of thumb for Rivals Eris that helped me get a lot more consistent with her was just never being closer to the middle of the arena than she is

[willow fog]

How?

[harsh bluff]

another close with with the sirens

[eager gust]

i was gonna say medea skull but i forgot about the oattack

[worldly mantle]

Special is really fast. Just spam them in the general direction of the bombs and it works

[harsh bluff]

i think second one its best if i kill the guitarist first

[torn wind]

Omegas aren’t optimal on most aspects in the game

They’re often slow and unsafe to go for and not the best option for damage

[willow fog]

Im surprised, I forgot the dumbfire was an option

[harsh bluff]

btw how do i see coros the second time?

the guy to get the most op keepsake

[willow fog]

Then we have spin2win thats just lmao at low fear

Nergal spin2win

[torn wind]

Moros will show up after you play more and get another incantation to contact him again

[harsh bluff]

incantation huh

im afraid i wasted that incantation already lol

[torn wind]

You aren’t able to gift him yet don’t worry

The first time you see him you can’t interact at all

You haven’t unlocked being able to interact with him yet

[harsh bluff]

ohh alright then

[torn wind]

You didn’t do anything wrong, yeah

[willow fog]

Hes basically furniture rn

Hes actual furniture once you spend time with him

[torn wind]

Don’t spoil a bunch

[harsh bluff]

thanks i love spoilers

[torn wind]

But honestly @harsh bluff you ought move to #h2-for-new-players to avoid spoilers

[willow fog]

I just mean talking to him, thats not spoiling

[harsh bluff]

ehh

there im spoiling as well

[willow fog]

What even does calling him that spoil

[harsh bluff]

after hecate everything is spoilers

[willow fog]

You should just, play the game

[harsh bluff]

so i prefer here

[torn wind]

The fact they don’t even know how you interact with him yet

[harsh bluff]

lol

[willow fog]

I guess

But please just play

[torn wind]

But yeah like you’ll unlock stuff as you play

[willow fog]

At this point the only thing that isnt a spoiler is the tutorial

[torn wind]

Asking “how” implies the answer isn’t just gonna be “keep playing”

[worldly mantle]

The game def will sort itself out for you the more you play. You won't miss anything.

[willow fog]

Oh, I didnt say how

[torn wind]

Everything is scripted out in the game to unlock as you play

[willow fog]

Im ngl I dont even remember lmao

[torn wind]

I said it was another incantation like how the first interaction was

That’s all

[willow fog]

Yeah, thats it

[harsh bluff]

the game is fun

[willow fog]

Keep playing

[harsh bluff]

but first day is so frustrating

[willow fog]

Also new player chat is your best bet, we talk endgame here sometimes

[harsh bluff]

like i die to normal bots

i don't mind, i have adhd, i don't focus on things outside of my current conversation

i got familial spirits

from cauldron

we will see what happens

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oh well we see how flourish does

[nova oar]

You don't have rerolls yet do you

[willow fog]

It takes a while to get rerolls tbf

[harsh bluff]

i don't

[willow fog]

Grasp is rough early on

[harsh bluff]

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[static flax]

Guys is there a lore reason why there isn't well of purging on the surface?

[harsh bluff]

OD looking op

[willow fog]

Cuz thats only in hades

[harsh bluff]

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ths is the run, hopefully

[static flax]

Dammit
I wanted to get origination with aphro's running boon but then I realized weak sucks for this 😞

[prisma monolith]

You unlock one later on i believe

[harsh bluff]

nahh i died

[lean bronze]

my personal take is: focus on getting your build online, or as much of it as you can
orig should come naturally, there are tons of source of curses

youre better off with no orig and a build than only orig and something random that doesnt work

for example hestia attack on axe is a big nono
or % on supay attack

[harsh bluff]

sadhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501550823484821534/image.png?ex=69fc7bad&is=69fb2a2d&hm=1c71bae53a32a77d7bcb082bb1fe822fbe5190e52f1692d34f08fe2e704b65cc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1066&height=700 i got more grasp

rn im buying grasp with bones

i got a lot of excess

ill take guardian i guess

lovers and ditch night

[random lagoon]

apollo on axe is one of my guilty pleasures

it looks so pretty

[wispy forum]

<@&456908176877551658>

[harsh bluff]

yo apolo attack on axe is so good

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damn i did it

finally

[harsh bluff]

thanks @torn wind i beat siren

that was stresssful

took a few tries and i had to get tips lol

[random lagoon]

it's great for builds that focus on the omega attack too

[harsh bluff]

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[random lagoon]

but eventually it does become some sort of crutch for some players

[harsh bluff]

what do i get now?

[harsh bluff]

apollo on axe?

its so good against the fishes

[torn wind]

🤷‍♂️ whatever you want. Did you already use the death defiance from tooth?

[harsh bluff]

im not sure

prolly not

[torn wind]

Is there still a death defiance on your health bar that has a skull on it

You can back out as long as you stay on the same keepsake

[harsh bluff]

it expired

[torn wind]

Okay then you've used it

[harsh bluff]

yea

[torn wind]

So take whatever

[harsh bluff]

ghost then

[torn wind]

if you need the healing I suppose though you might as well take sash then so you can get healing and armor at the same time

[harsh bluff]

alright

[torn wind]

As long as you don't lose the armor

[harsh bluff]

ill try lol

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501572860488056972/image.png?ex=69fc9033&is=69fb3eb3&hm=36839559a177c8ce504141a6e9d01e19f72062f293a652d467901fd7fb0e40a2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700 this duo is sad cuz i don't use my scorch

[torn wind]

I mean... but you can

You just have to hit them once while they're affected by weak

And then you get full scorch value for free

It works well on rapture ring and glamour gain though is a bit inconsistent on passion rush

[harsh bluff]

i got to 3rd boss

[harsh bluff]

yea make sense

[nova oar]

Cerberus moment

[harsh bluff]

yea

i was 16 hp

so i didn't go that far

i died as the side minions spawned

currently blade is my weakest weapon along with torch

[torn wind]

Do you play on controller or kbm?

[harsh bluff]

kbm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501578142953771008/image.png?ex=69fc951f&is=69fb439f&hm=843ca0f866621cf0e1fc07d7792455ab965f246489c83491484ca437bb9257f4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1100&height=694 do i change anything here?

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[harsh bluff]

what is that beast?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501578727916572854/image.png?ex=69fc95aa&is=69fb442a&hm=655b126fc1f9f8d82db6cc0c83266f54caf36cefafb1cfc8fa8a2e99f717955d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700 this music hits

[nova oar]

Your familiar

[ebon sigil]

@nova oar haelian has two 62 fear clears dates two months ago, one is called his first win, so that’s when he cleared it.

[nova oar]

Yeah ok, I was first by about 6 months then

[harsh bluff]

im not seeeing it

[torn wind]

The frog where you spawn in, Frinos

They, I'm guessing, assumed you'd already unlocked familiars and knew what that meant

[harsh bluff]

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[harsh bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501582664577060983/image.png?ex=69fc9955&is=69fb47d5&hm=ebeaea98e8c45ba830b4e730ee0f36bcc41600fe2590d1a522c2c948699562d0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1100&height=682 what do you think here?

[torn wind]

Just keep it as is. Nothing there is worth giving up for any of the other options

[harsh bluff]

alright

[torn wind]

The reroll arcanas aren't really that worth it until they're upgraded

And something like boatman would require you to give up a lot of other stuff

Origination is too good to get rid of

[harsh bluff]

hmm yea

[torn wind]

If you take frinos he causes you to encounter more shades so you can get more psyche so you can keep upgrading your grasp

[harsh bluff]

idk when can i get upgrades for them

can't wat

wait

[torn wind]

You have to finish unlocking arcana before you can upgrade them

[harsh bluff]

so i need all the materials

basically have to beat cerberus

[torn wind]

Yes you need to keep getting more ashes and more boss resources

[harsh bluff]

ahh

that sounds sad

ill keep grinding

[torn wind]

Just play the game 🤷‍♂️ if you have the option of bones take bones

And always use what has grave thirst on it

So you can just keep getting bones since you can use bones to buy anything from the broker

[harsh bluff]

what is grave thirst?

oh yea the red thing

[wide wigeon]

grave thirst schmave shmirst js use what you like

[harsh bluff]

yea its now blades

[torn wind]

I mean yeah I guess just saying if they care about getting resources ASAP. But grave thirst is pretty minimal

It's only really worthwhile for lategame kudos grinding once you unlock gems

[harsh bluff]

alright

[torn wind]

Play what gets you wins

[harsh bluff]

progress is better than 5 bones yea

[wide wigeon]

have you won yet

[harsh bluff]

right now its apollo ate

[torn wind]

I only did grave thist stuff because I wanted to become more versatile

[harsh bluff]

axe

[torn wind]

They've reached Cerb

[harsh bluff]

same but..

idk what does won mean yea

but i got to boss 3 with low health

[wide wigeon]

oh nice

[harsh bluff]

i wonder what keepsake pairs well with blades

apollo is already maxed

migth as well try a different weapon

[wide wigeon]

use artemis from the 3rd region

[harsh bluff]

white antler?

that is painful lol

i take a lot of damage with daggers

[torn wind]

Don't tell new guy to antler lol

But like blades enjoys stuff like hestia, zeus or poseidon for flat damage buffs, but really anything works on blades

[harsh bluff]

i took it once

worst few nights of my life

ill take hepheastus

[torn wind]

White antler is meta for final region if you're either fighting timer, doing speedruns, or just want to flex

"The boss dies faster so I have less chances to take damage" is also a valid reason

[fathom lake]

Flex Mostly

[nova oar]

It has actual value tho, it's not mostly a flex

[ebon sigil]

It’s hard to use if you get hit. It works great if you don’t get hit.

[torn wind]

Every question in this game is solved by "just don't get hit" aside from the timer

[bitter stirrup]

What helped me understand that Antler is actually also a defensive keepsake was finally trying it myself lol

You kill Tartarus enemies in 2 seconds and you force Chronos to combo breaker or phase every other attack

[fathom lake]

You do need Lovers Snow Queen And a bitof armor

[bitter stirrup]

Everyone should try it at least once if they have enough defense

[nova oar]

Nah, I can do it naked at 40f

It's just how skilled you are with it

[slow idol]

Whats the name of that song artemis sings in the crossroads

Like the first one she sings

[bitter stirrup]

Moonlight Guide Us

[slow idol]

Sweet thank youu

Yesss thats the one!

[whole remnant]

White Antler is so busted, armor is nice, epic nitro boost is amazing lol, but sheer ability to KO everything before they swing and phase Chronos/Typhon rivals really makes it the best last biome Keepsake.

even in dream dives actually more important because some of those bosses are tanky as hell last with huge HP boosts

[slow idol]

… dream dives?

[whole remnant]

theyre in the new patch

[slow idol]

Oh sheet

[whole remnant]

just play the game and you'll find them

[slow idol]

Now i gotta xD

[empty jackal]

Am i able to use godmode to beat the story? Cause one lersons game bugged when clearing olympus to fast

[prisma monolith]

idk what the second sentence meant, but yes you can use god mode

[willow fog]

No ones gonna stop you

[empty jackal]

With the second sentence i saw a youtuber play hades 2 and he couldent get the hecatate diolouge to appear hence my question

[prisma monolith]

nothing to do with god mode

[willow fog]

Mhm

[granite cosmos]

If being gay was a contest it would be a tie between all the characters in the game

[prisma monolith]

its ancient greek, back then gay wasnt even a thing

people just banged anyone

nobody cared

[torn wind]

Eh... as far as historic accounts go it was more like a Hetero preference, Homo accessibility

[harsh bluff]

i actually killed siren 2x in a row

and with blade and dog boons

lol

[torn wind]

If bro's there 🤷‍♂️ alrighty have at it but they'd still choose a woman if given the choice usually

But again, just shows that the whole concept was more biological than social since nobody gave a damn

[prisma monolith]

that was my point yeah

[torn wind]

Just saying the additional nuance was all, not disagreeing

[nova oar]

This is how I live my life

[torn wind]

Hold up...

[prisma monolith]

you know what, one person admitted, ima say same then

[willow fog]

What?

[nova oar]

My goat

My bro, even

[harsh bluff]

i died to cerberus again

somehow im getting to cerberus consistently

[prisma monolith]

its called progress

[harsh bluff]

i got pom pom pom for my heph flourish

[torn wind]

Tip for cerb

Sit behind him

Just stay behind him as much as possible since the only things that can hit you back there are the slams if you stand too close

Otherwise he can't do anything about you hanging out back there

[harsh bluff]

alr

get as many backshots as possible got it

[harsh bluff]

thing is, when he does his from underground red big dogs thing idk where to dodge

or how long can i hang lol

i just panic and run

[torn wind]

Just watch the order they appear in

Go to the last one that appears then when they start to explode just go to the empty space

[harsh bluff]

yea make sense

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what plants should i plant? do i just keep a balanced stock?

[torn wind]

Just keep track of what you need for incantations 🤷‍♂️

If you have the incantation that lets you track recipes then it will show you want to plant

[zealous remnant]

Need help getting a prophecy. How do i get improbable outcomes prophecy? The one to clear 2 random runs in a row?

[torn wind]

Well, you do what it says

You clear two chaos above/below trials in a row

[zealous remnant]

I understand that but i havent gotten the prophecy to begin with

[bitter stirrup]

I think I had the prophecy retroactively completed after I forged a bond with Chaos

[torn wind]

Have you fully unlocked all aspects, keepsakes, familiars and have 10+ completed surface and underworld runs each?

[zealous remnant]

I have maxed chaos relation but i havent gotten it

[zealous remnant]

Yes. I have the 4 random trials in the stone i just dont have the prophecy

[torn wind]

And you've already completed one of the trials?

[zealous remnant]

No i havent. I gotta so a run first?

[torn wind]

Gift 6+ Nectar to Chaos
Chaos Above and Chaos Below Trials unlocked
Have 30 Grasp
Completed both The Underworld and The Surface routes at least 10 times each
Unlock all 24 aspects of the Nocturnal Arms
Unlock all 33 Keepsakes
Unlock all 5 Animal Familiars

If you've done all that and it's not appearing then the wiki is likely inaccurate or something is up

The wiki has a lot of outdated info

[zealous remnant]

Ive got all of this. Im trying a run and see if it comes up

[eager gust]

how do i unlock dream dives?

ive woken hypnos and idk if theres anything else i need to do

[whole remnant]

have you completed like the whole base storyline?

[ebon sigil]

try talking to ||hypnos|| and starting his prophecy quest line.

[whole remnant]

they said they finished that

[ebon sigil]

and then you need to see credits

[eager gust]

yeah

[ebon sigil]

he's awake and unlocked if you've done "everything" as well as rolled credits

[whole remnant]

hmm have you found the fates? idk the requirements because i was done with everything so patch happened and there was a bed left for me and was lucky I was practicing at 50f different aspects with like grit/pain/debt etc... off and had Eos randomly on me and I was thrown into the fields and managed to prevail, then pracitced a few runs with Mel Staff/Mel Skulls with everything but debt/forfeit off that day before attempting a 62 Mel Staff which I actually won with an easy route, very lucky start won Circe on my second try too lol then I started getting rougher runs

but cleared with my best weps Mel Skulls/Persephone then later on Mel Coat on a crazy gamble Calling Card second Biome for blasts on attack. Did Moros too. they're tough 62 is like 65 difficulty almost unless you get an easy route. just because you're basically 50/50 to begin with at getting a winnable biome

at lower fears olympus start is fine but i gotta imagine tartarus or summit start is bad for everyone

but yeah i can't imagine what else would be required besides the fates? but again idk if that's a req

[whole remnant]

maybe google if there are any other requirements, its one of the grey areas for me because while i came post EA (Switch 2) i had everything required for them but i don;t know what that is, rolled credits and waking him should be enough but...maybe there's more?

[eager gust]

turns out i just had to do a couple runs

[zealous remnant]

I did one but nothing changed

[reef sail]

Nvm read closer

[ebon sigil]

Pretty sure fates isn’t required

[whole remnant]

i didn't think so i was just thinking what else was possible but they figured it out

[ebon sigil]

I missed it. What were they missing?

[ebon sigil]

Oh wow you were so close. Which runs were you missing, uw or ow?

[eager gust]

i think i just needed to do a couple for the game to update it or something

because ive done the epilogue

[zealous remnant]

For the prophecy improbable outcomes, can i do two chaos below runs ? Or does it need to be 2 different trials?

[whole furnace]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15071420286924740174/2A5DCBE768C9588CC732A562CF6B0E6E28AD90D5/

boon chasing me

it was scary

[opaque mason]

When Reminiscing, do you retain all your Clear/Run statistics (i.e., Personal Insights and Historic Trevails are preserved)?

[zealous remnant]

Just got the platinum guys. It was a nice game. I preferred the first tho. I played them back to back.

[runic pike]

anybody know how to trigger the unfinished business prophecy? i've been talking to odysseus for ages but he's just stuck on "odysseus may be interested in ambrosia after he settles up with a few old acquaintances"

[reef sail]

Possibly missing conversations about him with circe and poly and Scylla

[runic pike]

ah okay, do i need to have odysseus' keepsake equiped when talking to them?

[tranquil wren]

wth

[fathom lake]

Damn this is scary

[glossy shadow]

Disable vow of rivals

I played with just that on for over 100 nights and had no progress, people started giving the interactions to progress arachne and Odysseus the moment I went back to 0 fear

[prisma monolith]

yes, all it does it reset story progress, as well as zsand and whatever typhon drops

[exotic notch]

So how many controllers have you all killed with Hades? I took out an old 360 controller and a cheap third party PC controller with Hades. And I also just killed a right trigger and a y button on two series x controllers finishing up Hades 2 and all its achievements.

[prisma monolith]

Zero, mnk user here

[exotic notch]

I had this issue. Mine finally started moving forward after I finished every other characters prophecy quests in the game.

[broken creek]

none 😭 i mostly use switch controllers and those mfs are sturdy

[exotic notch]

I move dodge to left trigger and attack to right trigger, probably doesn't help lol

[broken creek]

had the smash pro controller for like years but then drift got to it and i didnt have the stuff to fix it, and the malzeno one i have rn is still going plenty strong for the last several years

[carmine oar]

my original switch pro controller is still going strong 🔥

not me though because i just made the fantastic decision to try dream dive with rivals 4, after months of not playing this game, and i got tartarus on the first chamber. i've also never fought rivals chronos before lol

but i'm gonna keep doing it because like i want to

moros what are you doing huh

i thought i did all of your cutscenes already

[ebon sigil]

the cool thing about dives is if you set it to rivals 1, you still fight unrivaled Chronos if you get tartarus first.

[broken creek]

oh thats funny didnt know it was tied to order instead of region

[ebon sigil]

it is, and i didn't find it funny... but I guess it was pretty funny

they are scaled way down on damage and life, but they are still hard with a build that hasn't really gotten going.

[carmine oar]

yeah, i had it set to rivals 2 on the first try and got rivals cerb in my first one

wow its giving me like all of my least favorite bosses in this run

scylla then hecate and now i'm gonna have to fight eris

[ebon sigil]

something tells me none of the bosses are your most favorite

[carmine oar]

i just don't like those 3 with rivals

actually i haven't really played the game that much since december so maybe i'll feel different about rivals eris, but i absolutely despised her back then

ugh fine i'll take a damn hex

[carmine oar]

took a lot more damage than i'd like but honestly she wasn't as bad as i remembered

still didn't like the fight but eh

polyphemus on the final area is evil wow

i should not have survived that

[strong rapids]

hecate and eris are definitely my two least favorite rivals

scylla is grueling but at least cool and pretty fun

[ebon sigil]

rivals Hecate often pretty high on my damage received chart

Depending on the build, I can no hit rivals eris pretty easily... not sure why people hate her except for her constantly shielding and teleporting.

imagine an incantation that took away her shield... 🤌

[eager gust]

how do you genuinely deal with tartarus as a first area in a dream dive

[ebon sigil]

be good

enemies are slower and chronos has way less life... but you basically need to do it with a naked build

[terse rampart]

So i'm at the point with testaments that everything is starting to be on the surface (2 x Prometheus, 1 x Typhon, & 2 x Chronos) Any tips on dealing with the surface & it's bosses more consistently at higher Vow lvls ?

TL / DR - Surface punches me in the face alot need help

[ebon sigil]

just keep playing, you get used to it. I bet you've almost forgot how much the UW punched you in the face at first

have you unlocked heremes shrines yet? They usually give the surface several more boons,selenes,and max healths and make the run a lot stronger.

[broken creek]

reset lol

like genuinely its awful

having to go through all of tart with 0 boons unless you take side rooms(which means wasting even more time and room scaling) just to fight a 3 phase boss is obnoxious

unless you mean like 0f in which case yeah just get better

[ebon sigil]

high fear dream dives with max time vow sounds painful and almost impossible.

[broken creek]

max fear has been done lol

although you are hoping for very specific areas

[ebon sigil]

not by me, not ever

[broken creek]

oceanus/fields are the only viable starts period and even then oceanus is a stretch

then youre really hoping for ephyra early too for more boons, ideal route is like fields -> ephyra -> erebus -> thessaly iirc

[ebon sigil]

is it possible for dream dives to literally have a normal act progression from 1-4 normally?

[broken creek]

nope

r1 physically cant be erebus/ephyra

and r1 also cant be whatever you won on previously

[ebon sigil]

i guess that's why i've never seen them

[broken creek]

so like if you won a fields start then the next run cant have a fields unless you die or win again with the different start

[ebon sigil]

you can't reset seeds?

[broken creek]

you can yeah

but like if you win a run with say an oceanus start, the next run you do physically cant be an oceanus start on top of the other r1 restrictions

[ebon sigil]

does saluting the vows reset your dream dive seed at the same time?

[brisk bison]

k sorry to pop in with a random question, but can you get legendary boons in trial rooms? (choosing between 2 gods)

[ebon sigil]

i think yes

only duos are excluded

[brisk bison]

Gotcha gotcha

[broken creek]

yeah which is kinda obnoxious since you have to run back to the bed everytime so it takes a second longer

wish you could just salute the bed or smth

[broken creek]

i learned this the hard way of resetting for 2 hours for a fields start just to die out of annoyance then get one immediately

[ebon sigil]

so resetting the seed doesn't change the fact of your last win start and you need to die or win to change it?

[broken creek]

yep

seed reset still needs to play into the start restrictions

[ebon sigil]

interesting to learn it's not as random as one would think

[broken creek]

tbf after r1 its completely random lol

[ebon sigil]

I don't hear about greater chaos runs much... is that because 20 fear random runs aren't that interesting to talk about?

[broken creek]

yeah

the keepsake and arcana lineups can be funny but outside of that just play higher fear lol

[lean bronze]

Has anyone ever managed to get all legendary boons in one run?

[eager gust]

start restrictions?

[ebon sigil]

all? pretty sure definitely not possible

[brisk bison]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1259728673418772591/1501723875531034674/image.png?ex=69fd1cd8&is=69fbcb58&hm=fab25dc457a441ee8dce558d81bfe1c25905ff37ac14f33791c933fb27953d19&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
why is it whenever I get money like this I somehow never have the boons that actually use it 😭

[lean bronze]

aight

[eager gust]

hermes legendary would go crazy

[brisk bison]

yeahhhh I genuinely don't think this is possible even with optimal RNG

[broken creek]

for dream dives r1 is restricted in the vein that it cannot be a standard r1(ephyra/erebus) and if you won the previous attempt, then it cant be whatever start that was

[eager gust]

i didnt know it couldnt be standard

[broken creek]

so say you won a run on a fields start, then r1 cannot be fields, erebus, or ephyra, but if you lose then that fields restriction goes away

[eager gust]

is fields start best then(

[lean bronze]

yes

[broken creek]

yep

fields -> ephyra -> erebus -> thessaly is the golden route

[eager gust]

i dont think ive had a fields start yet

[broken creek]

your first dream dive ever is a guranteed fields lol

[eager gust]

nvm i did have one then

i died to reset tho because i had jpom and the reroll arcana

i always misclick that instead of strength

[reef sail]

Oops I’m dumb

I equipped amulet for fields but then I bought a kiss

Guess I’m dying to lava and keeping it equipped

[crude dragon]

Just stand in a bush

[reef sail]

Good lord there’s way too much going on in rivals chronos

Oh I don’t have to win for the prophecy, that’s good 👀

[broken creek]

i hate p2 with a passion

p1/3 are fine just p2 idk what they did to john visual clarity they took him out back like old yeller

[reef sail]

Coped with pos special on medea

And then got offered heroic sacrifice Zeus flourish

We on

[mortal warren]

hail mary here, but anybody per chance have hades 2 on steam and want to join my steam family so i can save $30 👀

[reef sail]

[willow fog]

[nova oar]

[nova oar]

Do you have the dark souls collection?

[mortal warren]

sadly just elden ring on steam, i played dark souls 1 from my switch and ds2/ds3 on xbox

[nova oar]

[mortal warren]

LOL

i’m hoping it goes on sale for the summer sale

obv it’s worth $30 but i’m a broke college student regardless

[reef sail]

Suddenly I’m ||a baby||

[broken creek]

average rivals typhon experience

[reef sail]

Actually beat it unlike my first rival chronos attempt

[jolly hound]

idk if yall are playing saros on ps5 but there’s a boss that is basically Charybdis in 3d and good lord

[reef sail]

Sounds awful

[jolly hound]

I got smoked

[wheat stream]

I just unlocked and did my first VoR Prometheus fight and wow its the people you think you know

[reef sail]

Real

[wide wigeon]

hes not even a problem the only problem is aetos can that thing js go away and die

[reef sail]

I’ve started hiding behind stuff in Olympus when aetos shows up

His triple dash is so fast

[prisma monolith]

Chronos really pulled a babality on mel

[broken creek]

rivals typhon is just obnoxious icl

shoutout to the people doing 67 clears of it but my god having to do rivals typhon hitless seems so annoying

[willow fog]

His ass is why I go in circles on olympus

[reef sail]

I just hide behind pillars, he can’t go through them 👀

[reef sail]

Just gave ||zag|| the swiftest beat down ever

Nergal with no attack, psychic whirlwind, and a danaid dagger

[worldly mantle]

danaid and psychic, great cheese grater you got there

[reef sail]

Wondering how I end up with plankton seeds when I did an underworld run 🤨

[reef sail]

It was quite nice, haven’t messed with nergal before. Died to rival doggo though

sworn strike just would not show up

[timid hatch]

Did you have snake reeds in the garden? You might have the incantation that gives you seeds back sometimes when you harvest.

[reef sail]

Might have from a random seed

I thought that incantation gives back seeds but then whenever it triggered it seemed like it gave extra produce rather than a seed refund

So I’ve been confused ever since

[worldly mantle]

the incantation gives you a chance to get the seed back

[brisk bison]

I just came across a video of someone completing 50 fear surface and underworld simultaneously

[lean bronze]

God build nergal?

[brisk bison]

Nergal for surface and Supay for underworld

[wheat stream]

For some reason i thought night bloom would work in VOR prometheus kinda like how it works against scylla but no

[buoyant matrix]

you technically don't kill any of them

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah for that you have to kill one of his stupid satyrs lol

[wheat stream]

True

It would have been very funny

[buoyant matrix]

which he conveniently never spawns when you have nightbloom or sun worshipper

[slim pike]

Buuut

Those satyrs are the best night bloom victims

They're unlike other satyrs, they only have one move, they just shoot

No dodging or evading, no melee, just spear throw or rocket kaunch. Depending on the satyr

[wheat stream]

My dumb ass actually went into ambrosia poverty after giving four to Dionysus

[stone thistle]

why

also i am on the last run of typhon i think

yay

[wispy forum]

what the hell is malice in kind lol

Malice in Kind
Whenever a foe makes you use Death Defiance, it loses 15% Health.

does this work on bosses (including the region 4 boss)?

[broken creek]

Yeah but it sucks because it removes 15% of current hp instead of max

So in application its barely gonna do anything even with like 5 dds

She has much better blessings to give like corrosion on sight

[worldly mantle]

corrosion on sight is peak

[nova oar]

Reall bad

[slim pike]

Might be worse than harm for the afflicted

Which is already in doodoo tier

[broken creek]

I still dont even understand what that does its worded so badly

[slim pike]

Inflict a curse on an uncursed enemy. do 50 damage

[wispy forum]

oh, whaaaat

[slim pike]

1 second global cooldown

[broken creek]

What does it go off of for hitch/weak timers 😭

[wispy forum]

that's such a shame, but i guess it would've been overkill to blitz 75% of region 4's boss via just DD suicides (assuming you have 5 DDs, which i do right now)

[stone thistle]

oh yhea it would

[slim pike]

??? Cannot parse question

[broken creek]

Cuz that doesnt sound bad if you missed orig applicators pretty bad unless the duration of the weak/hitch and whatnot is super smal

[broken creek]

Doesnt hitch last different amounts of time depending on how it was applied or am I crazy

[slim pike]

Weak only lasts 1 second. But harm fir the afflicted is 50 damage.

[slim pike]

You're crazy. It's fixed and hereditary bane adds 5 seconds. Reapplying it refreshes the duration

[broken creek]

Oh ok 🥀

Tbf id rather take harm for the afflicted over her 5 mana per location one

But thats also me being a circe player

[slim pike]

Every tick of engagement ring refreshes hitch

[slim pike]

But uncanny fortitude!

More seriously, it invalidates hubris

[worldly mantle]

most medea is

suffering on sight is super weighted towards the 110-170 damage range

[bitter stirrup]

Does it just add 50 flat to Mel Staff Blitz spam

[worldly mantle]

harm for the afflicted at least scales with global damage

didnt used to before the recent major patch

[slim pike]

once a second at most

I don't know why it has this global cooldown

[worldly mantle]

50 flat for every hit would be very good

[red fox]

So aphro legendary can't have fun

[worldly mantle]

think about coat dash attack

150 free dash attack damage, 300 with exhaust riser, scaling with global damage bonuses

[slim pike]

why that? You mean glamour gain right?

or do you think harm procs when you add a second or third curse to a victim, because it doesn't

[red fox]

Gain 4 curse for 200 dmg

[slim pike]

it procs when you curse an uncursed enemy, as in, no olypmian curses beforehand

[red fox]

Even worse than i thought smh

[worldly mantle]

yeah its not great

[slim pike]

it's her legendary

not even a joke, the unlockable NPC offerings are listed as legendaries in the scripts

[willow fog]

Aphro's seems good tho

The only that that seems legit awful is hermes'

[slim pike]

actual olympian legendaries are good

[slim pike]

Wait until you get it offered just before the endboss and it's just an assload of free armour

[bitter stirrup]

Oh I thought it was for every curse lol

[slim pike]

it's also treated as not being hit at all, like Snow Queen

[willow fog]

1% of the time

Also id rather spend my gold

Zeus' is prolly one of the funniest tho

[prisma monolith]

Yeah but sometimes tou just have a lot of money

Ive had good use out of Hermes legendary

Not every run, but its been useful

[willow fog]

Its so niche

[prisma monolith]

And thats okay

[willow fog]

I can see the value but i never get it when its help

I got it once over like 40 runs

[whole remnant]

i love when you buy his 500 gold boon at end shop and he offers it

would've been helpful... but thx i'll take something else and some armor

pre debt/forfeit etc i had fun massing money with chlorex purging chaos boons and magick pots i didnt need and buying what i need from end shop and still having some left

rivals chronos you gotta get through my armor of gold to get to my 30hp!

[icy halo]

Did Snow Queen ever used to do multiple hits?

I feel like it used to be called something else but I cannot remember

[whole remnant]

maybe in EA? not since i played i'm post 1.1

[icy halo]

Real early EA would be the only possibility

[whole remnant]

epic nitro boost and snow queen is the ticket

[bitter stirrup]

Possible you're thinking of Mint Condition the Hephaestus invulnerability boon that was changed to Security System

[icy halo]

Definitely not - trying to work out what boon my friend is getting mixed up with, but I don't think it's that

I'll check though 😄

[icy halo]

Does anyone remember this? I tried searching it in #hades2-patch-notes but couldn't find it

[bitter stirrup]

I searched and apparently it used to be called Winter Coat

[whole remnant]

past sirens with origintion and death active

mel skulls 65 attempt

swift runner persistence artificer

2nd try got parray this time

[bitter stirrup]

What's your attack, Hera?

[whole remnant]

yeah

epic, hestia gain/special

rapture ring no apollo so no rush

[bitter stirrup]

Incandescent Aura dream is open nice

[whole remnant]

is mel skulls with parray just the most broken thing in the game

because i just got origination and still wrecked the sirens with hitch attack/omegas

[limpid oar]

It is strong and there's also the fact that hitch is good against sirens

[lucid fjord]

Hail everyone

[whole remnant]

yeah mel skulls is my main weapon i know parray mel skulls is busted this is just my second 65 attempt and its so strong as soon as you grab hammer

i guess tk slop is prob more broken or on the same level

mel skulls/persephone/mel staff/circe have been my mains since i hit 50s. okay fields.

lol looming ignition and EEE added on

[eager gust]

whats the best way to get rivals chronos practice?

[whole remnant]

cracked run also got decent arcana set up besides death and origination. sorc/furies etc...

[bitter stirrup]

save state or custom chaos if on pc

[whole remnant]

and deep dissent waiting

[eager gust]

are both of those pc only?

[bitter stirrup]

Not sure how to manipulate game files if not on pc

[eager gust]

could just godmode to chronos if that doesnt screw anything up

[whole remnant]

white antler on lets go wish me luck xfingers

[bitter stirrup]

Only thing you don't have boon-wise is movement speed yeah?

[whole remnant]

nitro boost

[bitter stirrup]

But since you're good with skull that probably saves you since special can move

[whole remnant]

rare too

[eager gust]

is movement speed an important boon to have?

[whole remnant]

so two blocks per location plus gale and trusty shield plus silken sash gained armor in fields

[bitter stirrup]

For me having Blinding Rush/Nitro Boost basically cuts Chronos P3 difficulty in half

[whole remnant]

yes for sure

[prisma monolith]

God mode doesnt change anything outside of damage taken

[whole remnant]

banked time too so yeah feeling like chances are very good

i mean basically its a 62f now with arcana a little wonky but i got a lot of what id want

[whole remnant]

first 65 in the books, saved most of EEE for chronos

didn't even use up all my DDs

mel staff or persephone next

if i can get those i try surface lol

[slim pike]

And honestly it was a better name that better described what it did

and honestly the game suffers a lot from boon names that aren't very descriptive

[spring breach]

YOOO YOU CLEARED 65?

Was this recent?

[whole remnant]

yeah just like 20 30 minutes ago

[spring breach]

Let’s gooooo

[whole remnant]

parray hera attack hestia gain EEE really lucky run

[spring breach]

Mel Skull?

[whole remnant]

ya

[spring breach]

Insane. Post the victory screen boss 👏

[spring breach]

That’s the dream build rt

[whole remnant]

i will gotta put it on my mobile this computer has a PC for people inteface free laptop

[spring breach]

Hell yeah, then we can get your 65 onto h2crossroads too

[whole remnant]

yeah i guess it wont be a vid no capture card but at least somethin

[spring breach]

Yeah it’s fine. Only 67s need vods

[whole remnant]

i got very lucky with death/origination active by fields

and just pretty good draws altogether

[spring breach]

Yeah the fickleness of judgment can really make or break runs

Getting Death Lovers and Origination by Oceanus makes life significantly easier

[whole remnant]

i had lovers and death by oceanus

origination by fields

[spring breach]

I’d love to have gotten that for all my runs 😭

Sometimes Lovers/Death eludes me and it’s just miserable 🫠

[whole remnant]

it was my second try i got extremely lucky

well second try plus salutes

[spring breach]

Skilful 👌

[whole remnant]

i reset for it

[spring breach]

All earned

Including every Evade dodge

[whole remnant]

thx i should say third attempt including not getting out of erebus once lol

but second attempt actually getting a run going i hit gold

[brave urchin]

Hey guys, how does the piggy keepsake work with maxed out void?

Will it just not unlock cards?

[stone thistle]

dont know

[nova oar]

No

not that you should be using either

[brave urchin]

I just doing a lulz run.

[stone thistle]

anyway
i have a question, at anypoint in hades 2 do you get to paly as zagreous cause i think that it would be a great thing to add to the game

[nova oar]

No

And no it wouldn't be a good thing, it's just nostalgia bait

[stone thistle]

no i mean play as zag but with all the updated stuff

like chronos and mother and all dat

[wispy forum]

do you mean play as zagreus in a flashback or something?

[stone thistle]

no like play as zag in the present time

[wispy forum]

ahh, no, we can't, unfortunately

[lean bronze]

no imagine stutter step zag
just spam and everything gets perfectly i-framed

[stone thistle]

i know about the flashback thing with chronos

infact if you check the victory boasting channel

[wispy forum]

lol yeah, just saw

[stone thistle]

what was that

[torn wind]

The pig still gives cards as normal but that doesn’t make it ever worth using

[lucid fjord]

I want to get home fast and continue playing this masterpiece

[torn wind]

Even if you used it region 1 and rolled judgement you would still lose out on taking a better keepsake like Jeweled Pom

[sullen thorn]

Hello

[lean bronze]

i suddenly want to start a new file and get nights champ using un-upgraded stuff and a build that gives luthien physical pain just looking at it

[sullen thorn]

I'm missing one keepsake

Can someone give me a non spoilery help

The Keepsake between Narcissus and Heracles

[lucid fjord]

Hail you

[sullen thorn]

Do I have to progress the story or I'm tragically missing someone everytime I'm going for a night?

[torn wind]

Echo’s keepsake. Surprised you never gifted her

[sullen thorn]

...

Stupidest man on earth

[torn wind]

Just totally forgot echo existed

(Conveniently next to narcissus in the cabinet)

[wispy forum]

how can you just never gift echo 😭

[torn wind]

🤷‍♂️ maybe they always take greed and never go see her in fields

[wispy forum]

i remember first learning about echo when she showed up in percy jackson, and i loved her ever since

this game gave me an opportunity to shower echo with the affection she deserves

[torn wind]

Even though you’re nearly guaranteed to see her and not seeing her is known in the community as “echo scam” cause it’s very rare that it happens

[lucid fjord]

I gave the witch like more than one gifts

[sullen thorn]

Quit the the contrary actually

[torn wind]

And somehow you never once gave her a gift

[sullen thorn]

Yeah

[torn wind]

She only accepts gifts after talking with her and taking a reward

Since otherwise it would mess up her “echo” when Mel walks up to her

[sullen thorn]

She's not even in my pokedex

What I've done?

[torn wind]

Well guess it’s time to go do a ton of runs to go meet her a bunch of times

Cause you’re way behind on gifting her and got like 10 runs worth of dialogue you gotta get including ||seeing narcissus who isn’t as likely to be seen as Echo||

[sullen thorn]

I'm not in a hurry

[torn wind]

Just saying if you want the achievement

[bitter stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-credits-movie-hasbro-ending-gif-4095300824521747557

Sorry I couldn't resist

[torn wind]

“I am going to turn into a truck now” -Optimus Prime

[sullen thorn]

Well, Discord could 😂

But anyway, my maximum heat is 20

So I've plenty of time before reaching 32

It will be done

[torn wind]

The gap between 20 and 32 isn’t quite as big as you probably think it is since most of that is just turning on Rivals 2 or 3

And the rivals bosses aren’t especially hard when you’re able to take damage from them without Pain and Scars on

[sullen thorn]

I'm struggling hard on rivals

I've just finished my first rivals redacted

[torn wind]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsNV0%3D this is a pretty simple setup with just rivals 2

[sullen thorn]

And I've beaten ||Zag|| only once or twice

[torn wind]

Bro you just said redacted

Then don’t even redact it the second time

Should still spoiler mark it

But also like ||Zag|| is 100% not worth fighting on underworld

[sullen thorn]

?

[torn wind]

Just FYI. You’re far weaker on underworld than on surface and it doesn’t even save time

[sullen thorn]

Why

WHAT?

[torn wind]

Because you fight him earlier in region 1 and 2 compared to on surface where you fight him late region 2 or mid region 3

And ephyra absolutely juices you up

His scaling doesn’t change by region or route

So you’re fighting him at a significant handicap on underworld

[sullen thorn]

That explain a lot

[torn wind]

Rooms in Erebus and Oceanus are also quite short compared to skipping an entire ship in Thessaly or some of the potentially super long rooms in Olympus

So yeah I literally never fight him on underworld

It’s an easy way to throw a run for basically no reward relative to the time and health loss if you mess up

[sullen thorn]

I did use him several times to throw a run 😅

[torn wind]

Yeah Ephyra is a buffet of build crafting and mid-shop in Thessaly is almost always on the second to last ship before end shop

[sullen thorn]

🤔

[torn wind]

Meanwhile Erebus barely gives you boons 80% of the time and then Mid shop in Oceanus can be as early as room 3

[sullen thorn]

Since we have beaten the game at max difficulty several times, did one route was including him?

[torn wind]

lol not max difficulty. I’m working on more 62 fear clears but I’ve only got one on each route right now and have no clue when I’ll get to 65 fear or even try 67 fear

But no I’ve only fought him on a few 50-55 fear surface runs

62 fear is every vow besides Void

65 fear is Void 3 so you run judgement

And 67 fear is max fear so no arcana at all

[sullen thorn]

I'm not that much into the game

I've only 155 hour into it

[torn wind]

155 hours of not gifting Echo

[lean bronze]

how dare you
i maxed echo first

[sullen thorn]

If I want to interact with Echo, I'm playing Smash Bros ^^

[torn wind]

But like you can’t expect anybody to ever want to try 62 fear. Like there’s maybe around few hundred people who have ever even done it that can be confirmed

No matter what any high fear players will tell you it is brutally difficult

[bitter stirrup]

Same lol I had her and Arachne first

[sullen thorn]

I can't get past 20

[torn wind]

Trust me if you can beat 20 you can beat 32

[nova oar]

Have you optimised arcana and fear?

[torn wind]

The gap when I did it was a lot smaller than I thought

[sullen thorn]

Trust me brother, I can't

[torn wind]

Well what’s your fear setup?

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsNV0%3D

[sullen thorn]

Rival 4

Time 2

[torn wind]

Bro what why are you doing rivals 4

[sullen thorn]

And after that, it depends

[nova oar]

If you can't do it then why do you keep it on

[torn wind]

Rivals Chronos and Typhon still kick my ass on a regular basis even at mid-fear

[nova oar]

Just stick with the basic timer, frenzy, lower levels of rivals, and a few other free vows

[sullen thorn]

Can't learn if you're not doing it

[torn wind]

Okay but like you’re making 32 way harder than it would ever need to be by just potentially throwing a run at the very end

[sullen thorn]

They're THAT crazy?

[lean bronze]

🤝

[torn wind]

Yes lol they’re not easy

[sullen thorn]

I'm falling before

[glass cloud]

chat i love scylla

[nova oar]

My biggest 62 roadblock was rivals chronos

They're pretty much the hardest parts of the game for a reason

[torn wind]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMiwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDAsNV0%3D @sullen thorn Try this for 20 fear

[nova oar]

I'd even swap for rivals 1 and timer 3

[sullen thorn]

Hubris look painful

[torn wind]

Hubris is literally nothing on 70% of the aspects in the game

[sullen thorn]

I've never touched it

!

[torn wind]

Most aspects never even use omegas

[lean bronze]

hubris is honestly fine even with torches as long as you keep the fact that you have hubris in mind

[torn wind]

Yeah like as long as you don’t take born gain or ionic gain it’s basically nothing

[lean bronze]

for newbies
i could handle it right off the bat after turning it on

[torn wind]

Hubris is only worth turning off if you plan to go SUPER magick hungry

[sullen thorn]

The torches are broken

[torn wind]

Eos and Moros are both high tier yeah

[nova oar]

Skull and staff are better tbf

[sullen thorn]

It's like the easiest weapon in the game + good reward

[nova oar]

But moros is my goat

[lean bronze]

but if youre running parray you are speedrunning on 14/12f

[nova oar]

Saying that when mel staff exists is wild

[torn wind]

P-array with cardio gain is busted on high fear

[lean bronze]

cardio gain

[nova oar]

parray is taken at every level

[torn wind]

P-array is still P-array

[sullen thorn]

I just can't get the mech suit

I don't know what I should optimize

[torn wind]

Spamming dash attack and normal special rockets more

[sullen thorn]

Except for the last one who's straightforward

[torn wind]

And using omegas basically never

Nyx coat is cracked, Mel coat is still very strong, Selene is kinda just a slow Mel coat with a weak hex, and Shiva is misunderstood

[lean bronze]

which begs the question: how do you use shiva

[torn wind]

Intentionally avoid dash attack

[sullen thorn]

Like Mike Tyson

[lean bronze]

but like
whats the strat here
specials kinda suck
but maybe only cuz im on controller

[lean bronze]

[torn wind]

Watch Vytautas’ 67 shiva clears

Oh yeah shiva is tough on controller

[lean bronze]

SIX SEVEN FEAR CLEAR WITH SHIVA?
oh dang

[sullen thorn]

I'm on controller too. I don't see the problem

[torn wind]

Cause you can’t move away from enemies

[sullen thorn]

I'm even on switch tbf

[torn wind]

Pretty sure the only weapons that haven’t cleared 67 now are Charon, Supay and Thanatos

And Thanatos isn’t even bad just hasn’t been done yet

[lean bronze]

same
hi fellow ninten-slave

[cunning laurel]

a 67 shiva is far different than lower and youll likely succeed more with omega stuff

[sullen thorn]

That a wild thing to say 😂

[lean bronze]

vangetsu will get the first soup 67
i trust

[torn wind]

Fair. Siege Frame Apollo goes hard

Hear that @spring breach you’re gonna get the 67 Supay right?

[sullen thorn]

I miss the high damage of Hades 1 fists

[lean bronze]

im convinced the devs intentionally made the max fear to be 67 cuz of the memes

[torn wind]

Basically all the weapons in Hades 2 are like stupid broken by comparison to Hades 1 tbh

[sullen thorn]

Wild statement

[nova oar]

If you miss anything from h1 you're not good enough at h2

[sullen thorn]

Sure, it's way more balanced

[spring breach]

You guys put way too much trust in me smh

I genuinely think it’ll be the last one to reach 67 😂

[nova oar]

And overall stronger relative to fear

[sullen thorn]

But few things in hades 2 are as stupid as Zeus on Zeus Shield

[nova oar]

Hard disagree

[sullen thorn]

I'm definitely OK with that

[spring breach]

There’s a lot of broken stuff in this game that you can get away with and can get you max fear wins

Trickslop Shimmerslop Parrayslop

And anything with Zeus 🤡

[lean bronze]

re-started grinding fresh file

[spring breach]

Beach ball gaming 👌

[sullen thorn]

Well, that was the discussion 😅

[halcyon rain]

hades 2 is way more "synergistic" if that even makes sense, all weapons have insane potential compared to h1 but in h1 a lot of the more simple stuff was broken idk

[lean bronze]

scylla be tripping me up
oceanus is merciless

worried about cerb and chronos
my damage is miserable because im not good at bball yet

[halcyon rain]

but i cant say much, i didn't play much h1 compared to h2

[sullen thorn]

Maybe the fact that I love simple and effective

[torn wind]

Hades 2 has a far stronger emphasis on curses compared to Hades 1 and you can get some WILD stuff just by knowing how stuff goes together

[lean bronze]

grab lim n oros
get trick knives
spam dash strike until the victory screen shows up

[halcyon rain]

i am living proof this doesn't work because i'm garbage with this weapon

[nova oar]

Probably why you're struggling

[sullen thorn]

Lim n oros?

[torn wind]

The blades

[sullen thorn]

Oh yeah

[torn wind]

Every weapon has their equivalent of “Zeus shield with Zeus” tbh

[halcyon rain]

you can get very far in h2 with just the simple and effective

[lean bronze]

remember
im only good because im too weak to play 62f or higher

[halcyon rain]

medea 2 random curses go brrrr

[cunning laurel]

hey you beat 62 tho

[halcyon rain]

after fumbling like 3 times with a perfect tk build and other similar insane builds

[sullen thorn]

Chaos give give far less Attack and Special +

[torn wind]

I don’t feel that chaos is as worth going for in this game just since so much of your damage on most builds won’t really get boosted that much by chaos and you don’t have things like extra cast charges and such

If you’re playing on scars 0-2 though like he’s still decently viable just for the time save

[halcyon rain]

you have a good point but i have a better point: i love gambling

[torn wind]

Ah fair point I retract my statement gambling always wins

[spring breach]

I’ve never been successful with Experimental hammer gambling

[halcyon rain]

when chaos offers me 100% special damage and the downside is losing mana when i dash for like 3 encounters 😋

[spring breach]

D- Keepsake

[torn wind]

You mean you don’t like getting sudden cleaver on Charon?

[sullen thorn]

I love the : win under 200 seconds

[nova oar]

Real

[halcyon rain]

you just have to keep trying

100% of gamblers stop right when they're about to win

[nova oar]

the timer ones are alwasy free because I could do any region in under 2 minutes

[halcyon rain]

pick that phial r3, it WILL rarify your nitro boost

[spring breach]

gives it a go for Mel Skull 65. Gets Mega Driver 🫠

[torn wind]

It’s funny how the “omega special charge” hammer on the omega special spam axe is actually bad for the weapon cause it makes you do less damage (assuming you have giga cleaver or exceptional talent)

[cunning laurel]

that hammer must be terrible bc i dont recognize it by name 😭

[lean bronze]

rarified security system

[halcyon rain]

i don't even get mad anymore when i fumble a run when i decide to gamble with hammer/phial

[sullen thorn]

In fact Hephaestus is my favorite god because of the variation

[torn wind]

I made the horrible mistake of taking hammer on Medea and getting Wide Grin

[spring breach]

Motion sickness the hammer 🤢

[halcyon rain]

i had perfectly good speedruns be destroyed when i picked hammer r3 and it gave me wide grin on medea and i would do it again

[sullen thorn]

And maybe because he can become the stupidest dps in the game

[spring breach]

That’d go hard. First wide grin Medea 62 😂

[torn wind]

I mean it’s possible but… why

[spring breach]

Deffo benefits significantly with JPom. I keep forgetting how bad the cooldown was prior to that

[spring breach]

Legit no reason whatsoever

[torn wind]

“I love actively making my weapon bad”

[spring breach]

Almost like trying to do 62+ Charon without OSpecialling

[torn wind]

-person who took dancing knives on trick knives

[spring breach]

I still have yet to click the new Dancing

I’ve heard it was improved but is it actually better now?

[torn wind]

Nothing new about it, they just added it to Pan

[spring breach]

For Pan^

[torn wind]

It was blacklisted on pan before

Now the only blacklisted hammer on a non-hidden aspect is hidden helix on Eos

[halcyon rain]

i think dancing pan with hera special can go kinda hard

[torn wind]

I’ve meant to try it

[spring breach]

F 💀

I do sorta miss the old Triple Comet hammer on Eos back in EA

“Everytime you special you release two more specials”

[halcyon rain]

no tk just get like dancing and reaper knives with hera special hereditary bane it probably goes hard

[spring breach]

It was insane

[torn wind]

Hidden knives probably better than reaper tbh just cause of the added spammability

But still both are good

[spring breach]

Oh ye that’s a shout

If you’re not caring too much about backstabs ig

So prolly be better for Artie and Pan

[cunning laurel]

yea it was my first hammer on artemis 65

[spring breach]

Was that the non TK one?

I gotta check out the vod

[torn wind]

Dancing absolutely dumpsters TK damage output

Since you can’t double hit it’s so bad

[cunning laurel]

yea it just took a big revival and a 2 sec blast in erebus

[spring breach]

Lmao W

[cunning laurel]

glad to have one of those tho

wonder if any of my coats werent shimmering

[torn wind]

Shimmerslop 🐐

[spring breach]

Think they all were?

Carried 😛

[cunning laurel]

yupp im just carried

[torn wind]

Oh yeah @spring breach did you see what happened to my 62 Anubis last night?

[spring breach]

Did you special a Clanger enemy and take 68 damage?

Jk nah I didn’t

[torn wind]

Nope. Max health and DD’s going into chronos with like 4 minutes to spare

Power outage during P3

[spring breach]

HUHHHHHH?

Wtff

[cunning laurel]

thats some divine vengeance

[torn wind]

I had fight fight fight and uncanny fortitude so I had like 350 health

[spring breach]

Desktop right?

[torn wind]

Yeah I know I can get the file back but I’m taking a break anyways

[spring breach]

That’s so peak 💀💀💀

[torn wind]

I want to get it in one run

[spring breach]

Yeah fair. For the vod etc

I’d be livid 😞

[torn wind]

Doesn’t feel right to not do it in one go

It was a weak fight anyways. I have Anubis on lock for everything but chronos

[spring breach]

Well you made it in full health + DDs so it shouldn’t be too awful

Hopefully 😬

What was the build? Scorch Hitch or Blitz?

[torn wind]

It had snow queen in Erebus so that contributed a lot to the health situation

Hitch most of the run on attack with Storm ring

Took a late sac in fields for a 2 second heph attack

[spring breach]

Oo fun

I’m more a hitch attack believer now that I saw raijy’s run

I always thought it was scorch or nothing lol

[whole remnant]

hitch anubis yus

[fathom lake]

Its good ngl
Help when you lose everything else

[torn wind]

Had no gain until fields and it had to be ionic but it wasn’t terrible with having like 150+ magic from FFF

[whole remnant]

with static shock

bam

[torn wind]

Never saw static

Bozo Zeus showed up twice

Once in Erebus to give me storm ring and never again until fields

[spring breach]

Would you like Ionic Gain, Thunder Rush or Divine Vengeance? 🙃🙃

[torn wind]

Usually how it goes yeah

[spring breach]

Probably the best way to trigger croissant tbh lol

It still amazes me how fast Scorch pyro on OAtk does on Anubis tho

I was just trying to survive each phase and then suddenly grandpa is almost dead 💀

[torn wind]

Yeah if you get a good roll it shreds if you overlap attack and oattack

Scalding vapor also goes hard

Since I also learned scalding can crit recently

[spring breach]

God I would’ve loved that on the build

[whole remnant]

i miss anubis, when i played mid fear/upper mid anubis, supay, morrigan, mel staff, and circe were my favorites

[spring breach]

Do ittt