Is there any info on when its comming?
#h2-discussion
zealous remnant
tranquil wren
was just about to say the same thing
whole remnant
the benches and such
nova oar
Is there any info on when its comming?
Nope
tranquil wren
Is there any info on when its comming?
basically we know it's releasing this year and that's it
nova oar
Fr lmao, the bosses were really good but the voidtouched enemies were just annoying
whole remnant
i play high fear hades 2 considered high difficulty gaming, but silksong had a different way of frustrating you
nova oar
Definitely
harsh bluff
lightning lance is so op lol
zealous remnant
I need to work on the 30h 100% speedrun. Only thing i have left in ss
plain cipher
-# uh... i wanted to ask about fear setups... but other conversation going on...
harsh bluff
lightning lance + solar ring is chef's kiss
whole remnant
bosses were great but you gotta die to learn their patterns, come ALL the way back and hopefully wn
lean bronze
off topic 
question: whats yalls fun fear
tranquil wren
-# uh... i wanted to ask about fear setups... but other conversation going on...
you can still ask
nova oar
lightning lance is so op lol
It's kinda mid
plain cipher
i wanna try the night's champion challenge, what's the fear setup(s) that suck the least ass to play
whole remnant
im about to try 65 with mel skulls
harsh bluff
It's kinda mid
how is it mid
lean bronze
i dont get the dopemine burst from winning unless its high fear
im stuck with running 32-40 as my fun fear 
nova oar
i wanna try the night's champion challenge, what's the fear setup(s) that suck t...
What fear specifically?
harsh bluff
with witch staff
plain cipher
What fear specifically?
24 and 32
whole remnant
getting ready for it
nova oar
how is it mid
Ranged cast doesn't achieve much and it does tickle levels of damage
whole remnant
im stuck with running 32-40 as my fun fear <:melcry:1420832991478812724>
you do you i just kept going up and have a lot of hours
harsh bluff
but it stuns
whole remnant
i will do 50 fear speed
lean bronze
you do you i just kept going up and have a lot of hours
how many hrs
nova oar
but it stuns
No more than everything else
harsh bluff
whole remnant
350-400?
nova oar
yea but i can safely attack from range
You can also just do that with staff
harsh bluff
yea but no stun
harsh bluff
no comfortable slow
nova oar
Just put down normal cast and dash
harsh bluff
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501224317432762428...
what do you think about moonburst?
harsh bluff
what is dual moonburst
nova oar
dual moonburst?
Giga moonburst
whole remnant
shimmering moonshot and melting swipe great too, rapid/mirror thrasher for attack hammers
harsh bluff
ohh i mean't moonshot
nova oar
It's ass, take shimmering
willow fog
I got the arachne dress challenge
harsh bluff
alright
whole remnant
shimmering moonshot is great too especially with hera special but not exclsive to
willow fog
Silly to do at 12 fear tho, but Im happy
whole remnant
high fear my dream is dual+shimmering or melting swipe on mel staff/circe and i guess momus
i don't really play momus other than clearing at 62 once to get it done so i could get all non axe aspects done at 62
and when i did 24/24 32 and 24/24 50
but axes are not my thing so skipped them, 20 aspects UW 62 multi clears on some, like 10 or 11 62 surface aspecr clears, and 7 62 dream dives, so im all trained up for 65 lets goooo
mainly staff/skull player
eager gust
i still need to unlock dream dives
whole remnant
mel coat with shrockets and pan/mel daggers with tk too i like
zealous remnant
Anyone know how to get the great chaos trial? The one that makes a random weapon and keepsake at 20 fear
strong rapids
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501226966643380395...
just activate sorceress and swift with your 2 unspent grasp, everything else looks fine. you should focus on upgrading yourself, getting more grasp and unlocking more arcana and such. thats the main way to make the game easier for yourself
harsh bluff
just activate sorceress and swift with your 2 unspent grasp, everything else loo...
yea been prioritising ashes and grasps
thanks for the help
is gold purse a good keepsake?
strong rapids
when you don't have many keepsakes unlocked yeah some money is fine
hard to say if it's the best choice without knowing what else you have unlocked
whole remnant
gold purse isn't very good i think even early game there is better
godkeepsakes are priority for region one and two usually early
then whatever you need third
and defensive last
keepsakes are easy to get if you keep nectar on you 🙂
leveling them up takes a bit until you get an incantation that helps speed
strong rapids
yeah if you do have god keepsakes and know what god is good to take for a weapon that will be better
whole remnant
zeus and hera have good keepsakes to level up early
they go good on so many weapons either special or attack
or cast
and strong boon pools overall
i cleared a 62 fear dream dive with sworn strike and heaven flourish (opposite of optimal) but so strong didn't matter and good rarity, plus thermal dynamics duo made special spam ez
and sworn strike wasn't bad CC
mel staff ofc
zealous remnant
Anyone know how to get the great chaos trial? The one that makes a random weapon and keepsake at 20 fear
strong rapids
for sure, i just personally think the best advice for a new player is to try stuff out and keep playing, rather than trying to find the meta stuff that the experienced players use. i was running moon beam and silver wheel for my first few dozen runs XD
strong rapids
Anyone know how to get the great chaos trial? The one that makes a random weapon...
i dont know. if theres any stuff you dont have unlocked try unlocking it, like familiars and aspects and gifting people. seems like familiars was what was missing for some people according to my googling
zealous remnant
i dont know. if theres any stuff you dont have unlocked try unlocking it, like f...
Ive got everything i think. Got the epilouge all weapon all familiars all keepsakes. Havent gotten all relationship maxed but thats about it
mystic ruin
I don't know how to fit blast into builds. My brain is too hades 1-ified into thinking I always need percent damage boon on big attack and flat damage on fast attack but blast isn't really either of those
whole remnant
for sure, i just personally think the best advice for a new player is to try stu...
i just think there isn't really a meta for early game, but if you get the god keepsakes zeus and hera are pretty multifunctional, so is hephaestus
so its good advice to get those keepsakes and level them up, just solid advice for getting the first W quicker
strong rapids
that is very true
whole remnant
and its not hard just nectar them once
once you get nectar
once you start getting more nectar it gets better/easier
strong rapids
I don't know how to fit blast into builds. My brain is too hades 1-ified into th...
the easiest thing to do is just put blast on your secondary source of damage, usually your special. use your attack for most of your damage, occasionally throw out your special for a big blast
later in the game once you have certain unlocks that give you more levels, its easier to do silly builds where you have blast on attack AND special, and even dash too, all upgraded to the minimum cooldown of 2 seconds. but, for now, just try it on special and try to get the cooldown to a reasonably low level (5 seconds or below i would say?) and weave it in periodically
mystic ruin
Hm ok, that's basically what I figured
strong rapids
and its not hard just nectar them once
i definitely agree that zeus and hera keepsakes are good advice, just that its a little sad to me to imagine a new player coming to the discord so early on and coming away with the lesson to turn every run into zeus/hera. but i suppose if people want to learn the meta ASAP then thats not my business. people play the game for different reasons after all
whole remnant
blasts are kinda hard to use until later on can't get into em without spoiling stuff, but like mason said eventually you can get low numbers
whole remnant
i definitely agree that zeus and hera keepsakes are good advice, just that its a...
well there is no no fear/low fear meta, besides godkeepsakes to at least start. i was just saying they're great to level up because blitz and hitch are very good
meta doesn't really begin until you get well... you know later on
runic pike
trying to get the fair fight achievement (earn 1000g from nemesis), anybody have any advice for maximising the potential to see her? i was thinking of just spamming erebus over and over again because she seems to appear there the most
whole remnant
nem will appear anywhere in underworld
just keep beating her in her pissing contests eventually it happens
strong rapids
im not sure if its faster to spam erebus, its probably better to just complete runs because like scryb said, she can appear at any point. and completing runs is just good for other reasons (resources, leveling keepsakes, opportunities to gift, etc)
i dont remember fair fight being the kind of achievement i really had to go out of my way for, it happens pretty naturally just by playing
whole remnant
i dont even rememember that one
runic pike
ah okay so will leave the method i was oing to try for then, thanks
she never appears in rooms with god boons right?
whole remnant
but a lot of early game achievements probably somewhere down my list
well in fields she can because fields is complicated
but i would never avoid god boons, boons and hammers are the most important doors along with shops and helpers/free rooms like arachne or narcissus
that achievement will just get itself done nem is always showing up trying to one up you, she jelly
runic pike
okay cool, thanks for the help
it's annoying too because i haven't kept track of how many times i've beaten her and i know i cocked up once and lost already
whole remnant
👍
the fated list doesn't have a tally?
or is it not on list? like game achievement
runic pike
don't think it's on the fated list, it's just an achievement
not sure why they didn't make it a prophecy
whole remnant
yeah that makes sense why i dont remember it i play switch 2
so we just get the list
and other postgame stuff the same stuff just no "100% achievements"
runic pike
ah i see, forgot switch doesn't have achievements
whole remnant
yeah for achievements i wouldnt worry too much about a lot of them until you get further i because lot will just complete
then later you'll be left with what you need to focus on if you're going for all of them
runic pike
yeah, just a bit concerned cos i only have about 10 left and i know for a fact i'm gonna get horrible rng lol
whole remnant
oh i see
strong rapids
looking at the steam stats, only 13.5% of players have fair fight actually. but still, not much you can do besides do underworld runs and try to do better than nem
whole remnant
thats surprising but steam statistics are often skewed by people who drop the game early, still quite low for what i think of being a fairly normal encounter
willow fog
I kinda wish player stats showed at the end of a run
I apparently had 20% + 12% +13%(x2) dodge chance by the end of my run
Roughly 48% dodge on top of a boon that heals 10 hp per dodge
strong rapids
i agree, being able to see your current total attack damage/dodge chance/etc would be nice
willow fog
Also would have been really funny
I ended up ramping so much speed I kept walking into enemy bullets
limpid oar
thats surprising but steam statistics are often skewed by people who drop the ga...
Also there will be ea players who played before achievements got added and then never came back for release
willow fog
thats surprising but steam statistics are often skewed by people who drop the ga...
I find it insane how many people buy games they dont get more than an hour in
At that point just refund
runic pike
typical, found nem and only got her romance choice.. is that all i'll be offered from now on?
strong rapids
typical, found nem and only got her romance choice.. is that all i'll be offered...
nah, the romance is just an occasional thing im pretty sure
willow fog
No? Its a one off sorta, and the other romances just take a lot of time to reach
strong rapids
in the most recent patch its no longer just one-off, but its also not every time you see them either
willow fog
Thats a good balance
I remember laughing since it happened on what woulda been a god rin
strong rapids
wow i somehow never made that connection but youre right 😭
eager gust
it was my first thought as soon as i used it
i love it with zeus special and ares attack
willow fog
Remind me what the beowolf did again
willow fog
i think medea skull is my new fav weapon
My fav bit is the order of operations
strong rapids
its the shield you loaded your cast into, the big red one
and then it pops at the end of your shield bash
willow fog
Attacks proc first, then Special
harsh bluff
how much nectar stocks do you keep?
willow fog
and then it pops at the end of your shield bash
Ohhhh right, i confess I was a filthy zeus spammer
willow fog
how much nectar stocks do you keep?
You usually want 2 at all times tbh
strong rapids
XD i never was as good at zeus as most people
harsh bluff
i have like 6
willow fog
6 for the start of a surface run
harsh bluff
what do you guys get for gold rewards
willow fog
Boons usually
harsh bluff
6 for the start of a surface run
yea i don't have anyone here to use for now
harsh bluff
Boons usually
i mean this
i only have 1
so i will wait and get to before getting the green maybe
willow fog
Tbh just room rewrds
strong rapids
i think psyche is a good deal, 20 ashes isnt really much even for 1
harsh bluff
i have like 6
if i have 6 and no one to use it on rn who do i spend on?
true
i got ash once
ill wait for psych
strong rapids
just spend it on whomever you see, if you already have everybodys keepsake (of the people youve met, at least)
harsh bluff
just spend it on whomever you see, if you already have everybodys keepsake (of t...
alright
what boon is best for umbral
strong rapids
you could prioritize characters like nemesis if you want, the romanceable characters that take a lot of gifts to progress their romance arc. also, each of the gods should get at least 2 nectar, to show you their prophecy for getting all their boons i think? (its been a long time since i did that, i believe thats how it works though)
the torches work well with most gods and most boons, its hard to go wrong with them. just experiment
harsh bluff
you could prioritize characters like nemesis if you want, the romanceable charac...
romanceable here
so it's nemesis
and the ghost looking girl?
i mean what keep sake for umbra
strong rapids
dora isnt, but nemesis and moros are. and two others that you havent seen yet if you havent been to the surface yet
night veldt
Can we get a keepsake that keeps Icarus away ffs
strong rapids
fr
night veldt
It would be my top1 keepsake in the Thessaly ;-;
harsh bluff
bro how do i see morro
strong rapids
at least athena gives you good stuff after making your encounter take twice as long with twice as many enemies, he just gives you buns
harsh bluff
i haven't gotten his keep sake
night veldt
Athena comes, deletes every foe and then gives you dd
strong rapids
bro how do i see morro
youre very early game, i would just play through the game and not worry too much about asking for advice. check the cauldron to see if there are new incantations after every run, gift any new people you see, thats all you need to know
crude dragon
bro how do i see morro
There should be a second Incantation related to him after you get the Fated List
night veldt
Icarus always chooses the smallest ship possible, brings 4x normal amount of enemies, kills 2 or 3 and then gives you the most forgettable boon
strong rapids
my fav is silver sisters, the one that plays when artemis shows up
crude dragon
Un-nerf Supply Chain kthnx
willow fog
Supply drop is also kinda nice
harsh bluff
There should be a second Incantation related to him after you get the Fated List
mayb e i just didn't gift lol
willow fog
Un-nerf Supply Chain kthnx
How did it act before
crude dragon
How did it act before
Used to be every 5 encounters
willow fog
my fav is silver sisters, the one that plays when artemis shows up
Its rly cool yeah, I love her drop ins
willow fog
Used to be every 5 encounters
Bruh please unnerf it
crude dragon
Granted, that was also back when Olympus was the last region
bitter stirrup
Should be every 5 encounters and a centaur heart instead of food 
strong rapids
i do like when he gives me a bunch of armor, and sometimes priming a bit of magick for attack/special levels is fun (not so much now that jpom exists)
willow fog
i do like when he gives me a bunch of armor, and sometimes priming a bit of magi...
That self damage boon tho
All that for 500 damage every 4 seconds?
strong rapids
for real
maybe a genius player can extract value out of that but all i would accomplish is hurting myself a bunch by forgetting i have it 😭
bitter stirrup
Lol speaking of Chaos curses I only just completed the prophecy for that earlier, 538 hours in
Flayed was the one I had never taken
strong rapids
its pretty nice actually, the specials can hit things a lot and proc a lot of lightning. although at common rarity level 1 its probably not super strong
harsh bluff
its pretty nice actually, the specials can hit things a lot and proc a lot of li...
i see
bitter stirrup
Yeah you can think of it as an extra 50% damage modifier (at common level 1) on your special (which does 20 damage) except it hits 4 enemies
strong rapids
yep, although if you have any kind of boons on your special the math does work out a little less impressively, BUT some extra levels on static shock can help that
harsh bluff
yep, although if you have any kind of boons on your special the math does work o...
yea alright idk how to level up tho
strong rapids
just taking the pomegranates, the red fruits. those let you choose one of three boons to give an extra level
crude dragon
It's why you'll hear people say "pomming," BTW
harsh bluff
just taking the pomegranates, the red fruits. those let you choose one of three ...
we pom a lot?
ive been undervalueing pomming
strong rapids
i like to get my attack and/or special to at least like, level 3. after that it starts to scale down and its not super important to pom, youd just be upgrading your attack from like +125% damage to +135%. but the first couple levels make a big difference
crude dragon
we pom a lot?
Not really, a Pom's usually not as good as getting another Boon
strong rapids
and something like poseidon attack/special, or static shock, scale linearly. you get +5 every pom, so those are always worth upgrading
crude dragon
Or Blitz, I think it's always +20 damage/pom
bitter stirrup
Blitz goes down to like 15 and 10 after Level 4
Storm Ring is another one that scales super well
harsh bluff
and something like poseidon attack/special, or static shock, scale linearly. you...
alright
strong rapids
but yeah, boons are generally better. however, taking your attack from level 1 to level 2 is more impactful than most random boons you could get
crude dragon
Zeus kinda has to scale well, because of King's Ransom
runic pike
woo hoo, turns out i only needed 100g more from nem and the achievement is mine.. thanks all for earlier
harsh bluff
and something like poseidon attack/special, or static shock, scale linearly. you...
do i do it again?
strong rapids
you can if you want, but level 3 is a pretty solid stopping point
poms are still good if you get them, like if you have a bunch of money at a shop. but you dont need to prioritize them too hard now
right now youd just want more hestia boons that make your scorch better
harsh bluff
i got a duo boom lol
harsh bluff
poms are still good if you get them, like if you have a bunch of money at a shop...
yea make sense
freezer burn
strong rapids
ooh, yeah thats a good one to have
crude dragon
Can be very funny, depending on what you have as your Scorch and Freeze buttons
strong rapids
theyve got hestia attack demeter cast
demeter cast is probably my favorite way to activate freezer burn
harsh bluff
Can be very funny, depending on what you have as your Scorch and Freeze buttons
cast
its so strong
crude dragon
Oh, so probably the best option because you can save the Cast as a detonator
nova oar
its so strong
A new player? Using cast? Never thought I'd see the day
harsh bluff
A new player? Using cast? Never thought I'd see the day
what
i use cast now
nemesis challenged me
harsh bluff
i know haha
i was just joking
breakers rush might be the pick here
i bound cast to my mouse bar
so that i'd spam it
but i should stick with this maybe
crude dragon
Once you unlock the ability to swap keepsakes between regions, a whole lot more variety opens up
harsh bluff
Once you unlock the ability to swap keepsakes between regions, a whole lot more ...
oh rlly?
what is the general rule here?
crude dragon
Well, you can now swap out all those single-use keepsakes (like the god keepsakes) every region, and can have a really strong offensive or defensive keepsake for the final region
harsh bluff
Well, you can now swap out all those single-use keepsakes (like the god keepsake...
i messed up
i didn't get choro's keepsake
crude dragon
I'd ditch Night, Huntress, and Messenger to turn on Origination
wide wigeon
like scorch?
yes also weak and blitz
crude dragon
like scorch?
Scorch, Freeze, Gust, Blitz, Hitch, Froth, Weak, Glow, Daze, ||Hangover||, ||Wounds||
crude dragon
are travel deals from hermes ever a take?
Travel Deal is excellent if you've got the money to buy both the item and restocked item
strong rapids
yeah, the value of travel deal isnt the discount. its being able to buy an extra boon per shop
the discount is just because every boon needs to have a number that gets better with rarity XD
wide wigeon
Scorch, Freeze, Gust, Blitz, Hitch, Froth, Weak, Glow, Daze, ||Hangover||, ||Wou...
is scorn not included?
stuck horizon
is scorn not included?
Scorn doesn't count for Origination since it doesn't come from an Olympian
stuck horizon
yeah agreed
honestly I'd like it if Orig applied to everything the game considers a curse and had a slightly nerfed damage bonus
craggy totem
If you hover over the highlighted keywords in-game, they will pop up tooltips that explain things.
In a few cases, the tooltip is not very helpful, but I would say 90% of the time they answer any obvious questions one might have.
harsh bluff
Scorch, Freeze, Gust, Blitz, Hitch, Froth, Weak, Glow, Daze, ||Hangover||, ||Wou...
AH ALRIGHT
bruh the mouse is terrible
it's so bad
yo another duo
what do you guys think
strong rapids
take seismic servo and start pumping as many poms into your attack as you can
harsh bluff
take seismic servo and start pumping as many poms into your attack as you can
i died lol
sadly
harsh bluff
take seismic servo and start pumping as many poms into your attack as you can
thanks for the tip tho
worthy pier
||Seek to Know He Who Cast Us Out
Receive dialogue from Chronos in Erebus about where he hid the Fates. The dialogue from Chaos for this prophecy is a prerequisite for this.||
I don't recall him being in Erebus at all, is it once you clear Erebus, by the fountain this can occur?
halcyon rain
||Seek to Know He Who Cast Us Out
Receive dialogue from Chronos in Erebus about...
yeah
technically that's still erebus
worthy pier
Yeah fair, thanks
zealous remnant
Im a bit stuck on 2 prophecies. Narcissus and echo and odysseus. Basically says wait for odysseus and the other one is just support them but no matter how many times i talk to them nothing happens. Am i missing something?
Edit: found odysseus and completed
cunning laurel
Im a bit stuck on 2 prophecies. Narcissus and echo and odysseus. Basically says ...
nothing happens like they have no dialogue or you arent hearingn about the prophecy
buoyant matrix
Im a bit stuck on 2 prophecies. Narcissus and echo and odysseus. Basically says ...
do you have echo and narc's hearts maxed?
zealous remnant
do you have echo and narc's hearts maxed?
No theyre both locked atm
zealous remnant
nothing happens like they have no dialogue or you arent hearingn about the proph...
Its just the same old 2 linera before choosing boons
Had one where they were together and it was a longer dialogue but that was a while ago
jolly wing
After my 33 nights of Sea Star and Buried Treasure, I’m not getting Poseidon on this run gasp!
unkempt zodiac
I wonder which weapon aspect is the best at rank 1
If I had to guess I'd probably say circe or Charon since their main draw is there from the start
Funny enough pan is pretty solid at rank 1
crude dragon
If I had to guess I'd probably say circe or Charon since their main draw is ther...
Circe
buoyant matrix
I wonder which weapon aspect is the best at rank 1
circe, anubis, supay, charon, maybe medea
all the base skulls are good at level 1 because possessed array exists
crude dragon
Definitely Circe, Charon is also good out of the box but gains so much from the Nightmare invested
Inject that 30% bonus damage on Geyser Spout directly into my veins
craggy totem
What does Hel rank up
unkempt zodiac
all the base skulls are good at level 1 because possessed array exists
Medea does like half damage at base tho right
crude dragon
The bonus attack speed from Valkyrie mode
unkempt zodiac
I do kinda wish there was more balancing between the ranks
crude dragon
10% per rank, IIRC
craggy totem
Could argue that if you're building toward onhits, Nyx is pretty much the same at rank 1 vs max
unkempt zodiac
The game not being balanced until you play for like 80 hours is odd
buoyant matrix
not really because winning is piss easy at low fear
craggy totem
For you
buoyant matrix
the balancing issues only start to show when playing high fear or trying for very fast times
unkempt zodiac
not really because winning is piss easy at low fear
No player is intending on only playing on "piss easy" difficulty
If it's too easy you increase fear
And then the problem emerges
craggy totem
"Easy" is kind of not even relevant tbh
The question isn't about whether it's easy, it's about whether the options are balanced
unkempt zodiac
No player is intending on only playing on "piss easy" difficulty
Actually this isn't true i have plenty of friends who basically only play 0 fear
Despite winning every run easily
craggy totem
The game literally has godmode built into it because it's not easy for everyone
unkempt zodiac
Weapon leveling might be my least favorite part of h2
It's better than it is in h1 tho
slim pike
Inject that 30% bonus damage on Geyser Spout directly into my veins
Does it even do that still? I thought it was just radius or did I hallucinate that?
crude dragon
Was always bonus Omega cast damage and radius
cursive nacelle
dodging the ball is pretty hard skill to acquire. It speeds up over time so dodging it is hard to intuit
reef sail
I learned from a vod last night that you can actually damage her during the triple clone segment
I never knew that even back during regular hec
chilly arrow
After 40 tries finally beat chronos 
lean bronze
Feels like a bullet hell 💀
Theres just no space
@spring breach 
do you plan on ever trying damageless 65f?
crude dragon
Feels like a bullet hell 💀
It is one
fathom lake
Touhou Players eating good with this boss battle
jolly hound
Feels like a bullet hell 💀
It is a bullet he’ll
spring breach
<@320915260100050945> <:shadesmile:520447982727069737> do you plan on ever tryin...
Probably not, sounds like hell tbh 💀
craggy totem
It is a bullet he’ll
More like a bullet she'll (shove in your face)
reef sail
So when is bottomless drink good?
I feel like fog is always better
But people really like drink apparently
cursive nacelle
there's a few interactions which make the +power go nuts
like using omega special on knives, each knife will get the power boost
graceful sundial
Theres just no space
I usually hate the ||Charybdis|| fight by itself. The scylla rivals is too much
graceful sundial
I learned from a vod last night that you can actually damage her during the trip...
Yeah the fake ones wont take damage but the real one will
reef sail
Yeah I tried a few times on regular hec and always hit the wrong one so I just assumed all 3 were fake during that part I guess
timid hatch
I usually hate the ||Charybdis|| fight by itself. The scylla rivals is too much
The Scylla rivals is really rough but I find it less annoying than Charybdis by herself
reef sail
Charybdis is awful anywhere and everywhere 😭
crude dragon
So when is bottomless drink good?
If it still works on most of the casts (notably, Demeter's), then Circe makes great use of it
graceful sundial
Charybdis fight used to be more bearable when Hestia's dash was able to destroy projectiles
crude dragon
Just get the Legendary :)
graceful sundial
I do miss some stuff from early access 😭 such as old circe's aspect
graceful sundial
Just get the Legendary :)
Is it worth it tho? I feel like her legendary feels so lackluster but idk
Yeah yeah i did like old circe even tho the new one is way better. I think it was fun
crude dragon
I mean, it's the same projectile delete effect
I think that if it didn't take a dozen hits to charge Serenity, it could've been fine
raw kraken
I do miss some stuff from early access 😭 such as old circe's aspect
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graceful sundial
I think that if it didn't take a dozen hits to charge Serenity, it could've been...
Yeah. I used to run mirrored trasher (is it?) on it
crude dragon
Yeah. I used to run mirrored trasher (is it?) on it
Yep
nova oar
I do miss some stuff from early access 😭 such as old circe's aspect
Said literally noone ever
weak grail
Said literally noone ever
Exactly
timid hatch
...beating Hecate with 1/144 HP remaining is... something.
At least that's 3 DDs left instead of 0 DDs left
summer elk
I don't know if anyone else has this issue, but it seems like the moment I switch to strength instead of death, I dash into an hourglass bubble on accident and get slapped with the instant-kill. Other than that, strength has been a ton of fun, maybe more rewarding than death.
timid hatch
Yeah. I used to run mirrored trasher (is it?) on it
Thrasher, though very close to "trasher" (wasn't sure if was just typo so thought would note)
summer elk
Said literally noone ever
I remember the old staff special with dual moonshot and poseidon combo. Glad it got patched out, since 1-button spamming gets boring fast.
nova oar
I remember the old staff special with dual moonshot and poseidon combo. Glad it ...
Instead we have medea, which is two button spamming and is much better
summer elk
Instead we have medea, which is two button spamming and is much better
I think there's some movement involved with that, which also helps. That old staff build only required that you stand in one spot and spam the button. And with such granular damage and low wind-up, there was no risk or calculation to the damage. It was like the game was playing itself. Nowadays, it does seem like the most powerful combos only use 2 buttons or so, but with only attack, special, and cast, there aren't exactly a ton of options. The current builds are at least more engaging, with real strengths and weaknesses.
nova oar
I think there's some movement involved with that, which also helps. That old sta...
And tbf medea is an incredibly high risk aspect
ebon sigil
I remember the old staff special with dual moonshot and poseidon combo. Glad it ...
What was patched about it?
Ospecial is my dumb but safer way of playing Medea.
nova oar
What was patched about it?
It used to be a machine gun type seeking attack iirc
crude dragon
Yep
ebon sigil
It used to be a machine gun type seeking attack iirc
Oh I saw videos where it did that. It was weird. I like the current iteration I think better.
summer elk
What was patched about it?
They completely reworked the staff special. It used to shoot a fast-moving projectile with long range, homing, and high attack speed. Combo with poseidon for the on-hit effect and a hammer that let you fire 2 projectiles once, and you had a crazy build that required very little effort or risk.
ebon sigil
They completely reworked the staff special. It used to shoot a fast-moving proje...
Squirt gun build but better?
nova oar
Oh I saw videos where it did that. It was weird. I like the current iteration I ...
I remember someone coming in a few weeks ago with a 2 year old video asking how to make the build
summer elk
Squirt gun build but better?
Much, much better. Poseidon boons all give the splash effect in Hades 2, which meant this build was a monster against both single targets and groups of enemies.
Oh, and no reloading.
ebon sigil
Liked squirt gun build in hades 1, because it wasn’t that powerful, it was mostly meme
Until you got that lightning strikes all things that are pushed and you got posidon legendary
summer elk
Oh, and old Circe was so weird. I remember it letting you build up this meter, and once you did, you regained mana really fast and could omega channel really fast, I think.
ebon sigil
I get the impression most things they reworked was for the much better.
nova oar
Yeah, serenity
nova oar
I get the impression most things they reworked was for the much better.
Outside of pan, yeah
summer elk
I definitely like the new Circe. It's simpler, but allows for more creativity.
ebon sigil
Outside of pan, yeah
Was pan better? Tell me more.
nova oar
I'll never forgive them for changing ares gain tho
summer elk
Pan is unbearably slow now. It's worse Chiron in every way, and Chiron wasn't even that strong to begin with.
ebon sigil
Pan is unbearably slow now. It's worse Chiron in every way, and Chiron wasn't ev...
Chiron my beloved.
summer elk
Chiron is strong and fun, don't get me wrong, and that's why it's spiritual successor in pan didn't deserve to be nerfed so hard.
ebon sigil
Chiron with sys braclet was my first 32 heat clear
summer elk
Chiron with sys braclet was my first 32 heat clear
Wait, really? Not Dio stacking?
ebon sigil
Wait, really? Not Dio stacking?
I picked the heat that made you give up boons.
summer elk
Oh, gotcha.
ebon sigil
Love dio stacking too for sure.
nova oar
Was pan better? Tell me more.
It basically had a faster ospecial, did more damage, and had spiral knives
ebon sigil
Dio stacking was more fun than Hestia as an idea, but scorch is cool too
nova oar
It's my favourite of the three with trick knives but otherwise falls flat on its face, even with the ideal pos build
ebon sigil
It basically had a faster ospecial, did more damage, and had spiral knives
They should’ve left it in for fun.
nova oar
Definitely, it was the fastest aspect in ea before medea
ebon sigil
Medea isn’t even that fun for me. Base Mel or Persephone is my prefer skulls I think.
nova oar
Basically doubled the amount of ospecial daggers you could charge up
nova oar
Haelian definitely has some videos showcasing it from back then
Even if I don't like him
willow fog
Why not
nova oar
I don't like his opinions on the game, but that's cause we play it differently
willow fog
Oh def
nova oar
He's a 32f more casual runner
ebon sigil
He's a 32f more casual runner
I lean casual
nova oar
I cleared 62f before he did, not sure if he has at all
willow fog
I find it crazy how 32 is casual
nova oar
I lost all faith after his boon tier list
willow fog
Whatd you disagree with
crude dragon
Was pan better? Tell me more.
Well, it didn't take over a second of being stuck in the OSpecial cast to do its damage (and could usually get off 2 per cast
nova oar
The list is too long tbh, and I don't remember much
But alot of the really strong defensive stuff he had very low
nova oar
Yeah, heph, apollo, dem, I remember snow queen being in D
willow fog
Snow queen is prime x for barriers I think
nova oar
Yep
ebon sigil
He plays casual and assumes you don’t get hit much.
nova oar
He doesn't even recommend lovers lmfao
willow fog
Its guaranteed value if you play like me
nova oar
Which is crazy to me
nova oar
Maybe i've played too many runs with pain 3 on
ebon sigil
I beat Eris hitless my last Charon axe run. It was going good
jolly wing
Finally!
Aphrodite gave me her Nectar recipe on Night 35.
I reached Credits on around Night 17.
I barely need Nectar at this point with over 15 on me.
Is the pre-requirement 5 hearts for Aphrodite?
reef sail
Don’t think so as I had that recipe for a long time but I didn’t take most olympians past 2 hearts until most others were asking for ambrosia
timid hatch
Man, sometimes I can use lots of Omegas just fine and sometimes when I try I just stumble about, don't even seem to finish them, and get wrecked
I think I generally need to get better at Morrigan, though tbf I think was my first time using them
Alt title: Mel decided to humor Scylla's "we really need you to eat it this time, for the ratings, because SPONSOOOOOORRRRRRR"
reef sail
Just common courtesy
jolly hound
I think I generally need to get better at Morrigan, though tbf I think was my fi...
morrigan takes some getting used to, it’s windup is way longer but also a giant aoe. That hammer that buffs your o attack and or final slice are your best friends now and both of those are ass on the other knives
ebon sigil
One of my last fate prophecy is malice in kind from Medea, the dd one. Can I just keep resetting my seed to get it with death card equipped?
Answer is YES! Took like 10 resets.
nova oar
One of my last fate prophecy is malice in kind from Medea, the dd one. Can I jus...
You're better off dying for pity first but yeah doesn't matter
reef sail
Pity?
nova oar
Pity?
The more runs you complete/die in without seeing a npc increases the chances of seeing them the next run
reef sail
That’s wild
nova oar
That’s wild
Try doing any of the npc quests without it lmao
reef sail
I would just get Arachne my first run of amulet
nova oar
I would just get Arachne my first run of amulet
Npc's like arachne and echo are all but guaranteed most runs, but others (mostly on the surface) are alot less frequent
reef sail
Yeah I can see circe knuckle bones being a pain
nova oar
That's probably the one people have the most trouble with, especially cause the game doesn't explain it amazingly well
ebon sigil
I stopped getting gems after bosses. What gives?
reef sail
Are you using the grave thirst weapon?
nova oar
I stopped getting gems after bosses. What gives?
Grave thirst
ebon sigil
Aw, dang. I didn’t want to do daggers again so I picked skull.
reef sail
What’s wild to me is I think whatever weapon has thirst carries through to chaos trials
nova oar
It does
reef sail
Because I got gems from the boss of some trial once along with the star dust
ebon sigil
I think possessed array like makes Mel skull into Walmart medea skull
nova oar
Good way to farm kudos/switch the dark thirst
nova oar
I think possessed array like makes Mel skull into Walmart medea skull
Possessed array is the trick knives of skull
ebon sigil
Possessed array is the trick knives of skull
Needs gain. Thankfully I got heras
reef sail
I don’t always get poss array but when I do I have a dog gain
nova oar
Yeah the god pool is always hestia dem heph and zeus when I get parry
reef sail
I wish we could roll hammers
reef sail
Bc you don’t wanna go back to reroll meta?
ebon sigil
Is wide grin and parry the best or pass?
nova oar
No I just don't think hammers should be rerolled
reef sail
I feel like a lot of people just reset fish to get the same first hammer anyway
I know fixed hammer was one of the most popular h1 mods
nova oar
Is wide grin and parry the best or pass?
I think it's the biggest 'single hit' damage (even tho that's shiva) but in normal gameplay it messes up my rhythm, and it doesn't really boost damage
reef sail
Is wide grin and parry the best or pass?
I think grin is clunky for most aspects
Especially medea
nova oar
Yeah wide grind ruins medea
reef sail
I wonder if each skull gets the bonus in a row with grin on mel
Or if all launchjng at once means none do
Which would be uh.. bad I guess
nova oar
I was scared of wide grin so I picked v-array instead
Yeah always take parry but wide grin is fine on perseph and mel if you don't mind playing around it
nova oar
I wonder if each skull gets the bonus in a row with grin on mel
Yeah they don't
nova oar
So it's best to take it on persephone
ebon sigil
Yeah they don't
Sounds like they cheated Mel aspect on that one
broken creek
not really its more of a coding technicality iirc??
since mel skull takes a look at your missing skulls to dictate the damage, so normally going from 4-3-2-1 makes sense but going straight from 4-0 means theres no time in which you have less than full ammo without just being out
ebon sigil
since mel skull takes a look at your missing skulls to dictate the damage, so no...
I think it should code to 1-2-3-4 even if they are simultaneously shot
broken creek
yeah but tbf that would require extraneous code exclusively for wide grin to interact with mel skull, so i can see why it doesnt because also turning the weapon into a gazillion damage shotgun would be absurd
they already have p.array they dont need another hammer like that 😭
ebon sigil
More code for a game that they developed and a hammer they made? Oh no!!
broken creek
it would also make mel skull disgusting so i can see why it might not be there on purpose
since isnt it like 12 power per missing shell or smth
so going from like normal damage ramping that takes some semblance of time into it all happens at once in 1 button with zero commitment, itd be tk2 and skull is already one of the strongest aspects
ebon sigil
I’m just saying if a particular hammer gets no benefit from an aspect or vice versa when they are supposed to buff each other feels broken
broken creek
tbf not a single skull really wants wide grin 😭
persephone you can make an argument for faster olympian damage but like thats a bit of a stretch
ebon sigil
tbf not a single skull really wants wide grin 😭
That might be the bigger problem and something they should consider fixing.
broken creek
i think its fine, not every hammer needs to be phenomenal, hell like most of the omega hammers on staff are useless
or like rapid thrasher/rapid moonshot
axe has some pretty stinky ones too iirc, or at least weaker than your goto targets
red fox
Wide grin still allow funny oatk build, which is pretty fun
broken creek
yeah dont forget im speaking in a 62f+ vein 😭 so its plenty viable and does something at lower fears
just if you have a choice mel and medea hate it and persephone is indifferent
bitter stirrup
I've heard Boated and Frei glaze Wide Grin Mel Skull though lol
broken creek
a shotgun will still be a shotgun icl
bunch of instant damage and paired with p,array you can loop it super fast
bitter stirrup
Simply reset for it with Persephone instead of playing Mel Skull normally until you get Wide Grin 🧠
jolly hound
I think the wr uw speedrun used wide grin
worldly mantle
I've heard Boated and Frei glaze Wide Grin Mel Skull though lol
checkmate plays wide grin mel as well iirc
seems pretty good
merry whale
turns out mel skull better than medea for speeds
also better in high fear cuz safety
persephone is fun play the aspect don't submit to parray
worldly mantle
turns out mel skull better than medea for speeds
id say for surface yeah, i think medea is better UW
willow fog
How is mel skull better for speed
merry whale
id say for surface yeah, i think medea is better UW
seems fair
willow fog
Is the ramping damagw that good?
worldly mantle
surface needs more aoe damage scaling than underworld
willow fog
Oh def
merry whale
How is mel skull better for speed
ye the +15 direct power as u lose skulls scales very nutty
willow fog
Surface also has scarier mobs
willow fog
ye the +15 direct power as u lose skulls scales very nutty
Ngl i forgot it was direct
Crit would touch that too
merry whale
yee
worldly mantle
in underworld jpomless medea is still enough to just 1 shot everything with possessed array so its innate attack in its movement is better
willow fog
Also aphro attack
merry whale
surface also tankier so more dmg matters
willow fog
Surface enemies man
merry whale
surface is certainly a route
willow fog
I hate those region 3 laser blasters
worldly mantle
surface also tankier so more dmg matters
thats what i was saying yeah
merry whale
average olympus experience
willow fog
The ones that give themselves massive dr to become a bullet hell boss
Its not even the damage so much as the time waste
merry whale
thats what i was saying yeah
mb i was replying to the scarier mobs bit
willow fog
Also random aside I got my first 16 minute surface route
merry whale
surface is in fact very scary
worldly mantle
mb i was replying to the scarier mobs bit
ah ic
willow fog
Thessaly scary
merry whale
Also random aside I got my first 16 minute surface route
nice, that's time 3 potential
willow fog
I struggle more in thessaly than olumpus
willow fog
nice, that's time 3 potential
Thanks, lowish fear tho - just 12 rn
Doing it for stardust
Ngl I miss when the broker had a randomized deal per run
worldly mantle
Also random aside I got my first 16 minute surface route
congrats! what aspect?
reef sail
Selene coat
willow fog
I think medea skull with a ton of damage riders
worldly mantle
Selene coat
coat gang
willow fog
With 2 second hep boom dash
reef sail
I lied, coat gang in shambles
willow fog
Coat is good tho
worldly mantle
I lied, coat gang in shambles
how could you
worldly mantle
Coat is good tho
w take
reef sail
I don’t even dash that much with medea
Too busy flying around the map without even having to dash
willow fog
I remember being too intimidated by coat to try ar
T first
willow fog
I don’t even dash that much with medea
Chin dash lol
Also retrieving skulls
No magnetic skull hammer sadly
reef sail
I love medea sm
willow fog
My most cursed run was a ||zag figh|| into uh oh miniboss into asophdel into oceanus boss
Game wanted my ass on a platter
willow fog
I spend all my DDs on him lol
Im remembering how brutal hade's spin attack actually was in H1
Im just glad bro doesnt get the lasers
red fox
Gonna flip table when ||zag start putting down demeter cast||
reef sail
Maybe the inferno bomb chaos curse wasn’t the best idea for Oceanus
Kill a pack of fish and 27 bombs flying at me
willow fog
Kill a pack of fish and 27 bombs flying at me
That pack with return lol
worldly mantle
Gonna flip table when ||zag start putting down demeter cast||
yall remember to spoiler tag
torn wind
Gonna flip table when ||zag start putting down demeter cast||
||Rivals 5: Makes Zag fight mandatory and he gets bonus boons from Hades 1||
||Though something like that would require a rework to how and when he appears since then that would basically be an instant reset in Erebus due to time||
reef sail
Just had my easiest contract fight ever
With anubis
Still lost a DD tho
Just went from thessaly midshop to contract to thessaly endshop
torn wind
||It's a lot easier on surface since you're far stronger and the scaling is the same||
reef sail
I assume fine line only triggers once per anubis oattack?
torn wind
Yes it does
reef sail
This aspect is so goofy
torn wind
Fine line and any other "when you use omega _" boons are only a single activation even if you have Exceptional Talent or Dual Moonshot
Yeah I've been grinding 62 fear on it and it's insanely nutty when it gets going
Just slap down a cast, attack and omega attack then spam the hell out of omega special
It's so fun
reef sail
Woof just got chunked by some splitter auto seekers
torn wind
Olympus moment sad
radiant crag
Knuckle Bones is my favourite crutch
I almost lost to Chronos again
learning Frenzy is hard
torn wind
I only ever use knucklebones on Rivals Prometheus if I have hitch tbh but for that it's pretty amazing
And yeah frenzy is rough but once you learn it you'll never want to turn it off
Been over 350 hours since I last played Frenzy 0 or 1
vital hollow
Wow, how unlucky was that, just had a Tarturus with the only Side room being Hades, like actually what are teh odds of that?
torn wind
Pretty high tbh
Unfortunately
I do enjoy taking side rooms for fun runs, though speedruns and high fear never
vital hollow
As long as the fear isn't really affecting the normal enemies all that much the side rooms are fine. Currently trying to get a 40f clear on all aspects and I'm still regularly taking like 3-4 side rooms
torn wind
As long as the fear isn't really affecting the normal enemies all that much the ...
If you got tons of time it doesn't hurt
reef sail
Just don’t like burning fang or potentially well items down for them
torn wind
But when I'm entering tartarus with 6 minutes left and Rivals Chronos takes around 3 of those minutes I absolutely cannot spare taking one
worldly mantle
Yeah you just don't want to go for them if you're trying not to burn time
Only side room I take is if npc chamber leads right to boss
torn wind
Yeah on speed it's bad to take hades since the enemy cap increases if you take him
vital hollow
Yeah, I always try to aim to have 4-5 minutes for the Chronos fight, anything less is only when the run is going very badly or very great
torn wind
Rivals or normal?
vital hollow
rivals
torn wind
4-5 minutes is reasonable if you're playing especially safe I suppose
reef sail
Yeah on speed it's bad to take hades since the enemy cap increases if you take h...
The wha
torn wind
Yeah hades causes every encounter after him to have a higher enemy spawn cap per wave
reef sail
That’s crazy, explains a lot
worldly mantle
Yeah on speed it's bad to take hades since the enemy cap increases if you take h...
Any side-room will do that iirc, including hades. I think it scales based on chamber number, and since you're adding more chambers, it scales more
torn wind
Yeah it scales by chamber count but even more if you take hades
reef sail
Horrid
torn wind
Mel even comments on it
torn wind
Every region gets more enemy credits to spawn enemies the further in you are
Enemies count for a set number of credits
And so more rooms means more credits means more enemies
reef sail
Oh I remember that system from h1
The speedrunners loved that some enemies ate up a ton of credits if armored
torn wind
Hordes increases the total enemy credits and if those credits go past the enemy cap for a wave then you get multiple waves
reef sail
And they hated that some enemies used up like no credits
torn wind
And nearly every room will go past the requirements unless you get large enemy spam on first wave
reef sail
Unarmored witch tart rooms
torn wind
Sandskull, tempi and goldwraith rooms
worldly mantle
The speedrunners loved that some enemies ate up a ton of credits if armored
Yeah that's called Spawn Weight
reef sail
Yeah I don’t like those rooms in h2 tart
Give me the wretches and satyrs pls
Especially when stragglers survive off screen
torn wind
reef sail
Blehhh
torn wind
This is the kinda stuff Hordes 3 can pull
torn wind
If you get really unlucky with first wave spawns
Not enough to go over the enemy spawn cap
worldly mantle
Hordes three is ridiculous
torn wind
So was one wave but an insanely annoying wave
torn wind
Hestia dash would be good if it didn't require you to prolong your attacks since it only activates on sprint not dash
If it left a trail on your dash that continued while sprinting or something it'd be good
worldly mantle
Hestia dash would be good if it didn't require you to prolong your attacks since...
yeah makes it great on ||supay|| tho
torn wind
Ah yes, that one weapon everybody hates on
Also that's not a 1.0 spoiler
This ain't new player chat
You can talk hidden aspects
worldly mantle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
torn wind
Soupy is funny
worldly mantle
a lot of players here havent gotten the hiddens i dont mind spoilering
torn wind
And makes so many mediocre boons great
worldly mantle
its an AQ funny weapon
vital hollow
I used to like Supay a lot, then I started trying out aspect of Moros and it was just too good
reef sail
I wanna try it some time but
I feel like it’s gonna give me the same trouble anubis did
torn wind
I used to like Supay a lot, then I started trying out aspect of Moros and it was...
They're not comparable in any way tbh
You can like both separately
reef sail
Of no hitstun making me eat s
obsidian relic
What is ambrosia used for
torn wind
What is ambrosia used for
Read the incantation you got it from
It's for the taverna
Or to gift later into your relationships with characters
vital hollow
Yeah, but when I'm just taking a weapon cause it has bone thirst on it, I'll usually just take whatever aspect I already left it on, which is usually Moros nowadays for me
reef sail
Bone thirst 
obsidian relic
Mostly gifting
Is gifting meaningful other than keepsakes
reef sail
Is gifting meaningful other than keepsakes
Opens up more dialogue and prophecies and all sort of other things
stone thistle
is|| chronos ||harder or easier to defeat and get to then|| typhon||
willow fog
Tbh some of my favorite rewards in-game dont provide tangible benefits
torn wind
is|| chronos ||harder or easier to defeat and get to then|| typhon||
Generally surface is harder for most players
Also you don’t need to spoiler mark those
But underworld is generally designed to be easier than surface
It only becomes harder as you start to add on fear and the underworld bosses become harder than surface
stone thistle
i was wondering cause i have made it to chronos 4 times in a row and killed him 4 times in a row but i havent been able to get to|| typhon|| yet
torn wind
The enemies on surface are significantly tankier and hit harder
stone thistle
whats your go to wepon for mass dammage
torn wind
For example a harpy in Thessaly has roughly the same health as a satyr hoplite in Tartarus
radiant crag
damn i timed out on surface 3
got a few rough horde rooms
torn wind
whats your go to wepon for mass dammage
Any weapon if you know how to build it right
stone thistle
whats your go to
torn wind
Do you have any weapon you usually gravitate towards?
stone thistle
i been using the cloak, and i find that having scortch on the special then maxxing that to heroic is like a boss killer
torn wind
Which coat. Nyx is generally the best one if you’re good at setting up the aspect activation
stone thistle
esspecialy if you have the boon from demeter that rapidly restores you magik if you stand still
torn wind
Nyx you don’t use the omega special
It does nothing on it. Just FYI if you end up using Nyx coat
Obviously you can still use omega special if you want but you don’t get the benefit from the nightspawn buff
bitter stirrup
Also just fyi upgrading your scorch applicator doesn't do as much as upgrading your scorch booster in Pyro Technique
torn wind
Yeah especially on something that hits as fast as coat
bitter stirrup
No matter how much scorch you apply you're just ending up doing 100 damage per second if you don't have Pyro Technique or Freezer Burn
torn wind
Not having pyro technique kills scorch rockets late game
harsh bluff
im consistently dying to scylla
idk what i can do about it
i thought i killed the 2 side chicks
torn wind
Just stand behind the drummer where Scylla can’t really reach you
harsh bluff
but they revived
torn wind
They all have a second phase that’s how the fight works
harsh bluff
Just stand behind the drummer where Scylla can’t really reach you
but what about the red thing
torn wind
You can use the big steam tanks to one-shot Scylla or the guitarist, Jetty
torn wind
Gonna have to be more descriptive since there’s like 6 different “red things”
harsh bluff
lure her close and shoot it?
torn wind
Hit it until it starts to explode yeah
torn wind
Just step back when Roxy starts to block herself with aoe attacks
She doesn’t really do it that often
torn wind
But either way Scylla is slow, jetty usually runs off to do other things, and Roxy just can’t move
Jetty will always go away at the start of the fight so just run behind Roxy and attack both her and Scylla until jetty comes back
Usually if you’ve got enough damage you can kill Roxy before Jetty gets there
harsh bluff
Usually if you’ve got enough damage you can kill Roxy before Jetty gets there
hmm yea alright
then ill try to oneshot someone with the tank
torn wind
Jetty is usually the easiest to do that with since Scylla doesn’t move much
harsh bluff
alright
torn wind
She slowly travels after you but not very quickly
harsh bluff
Usually if you’ve got enough damage you can kill Roxy before Jetty gets there
will she have a second phase after this??
torn wind
But like all there really is for Jetty and Scylla is just don’t stand in front of them and try to take out Roxy first
They all get a second phase and a random one gets “featured”
After you kill all of them the first time
harsh bluff
They all get a second phase and a random one gets “featured”
then we just kill the same way one more time
phase was the first time i got the second phase
i guess that is progress
torn wind
They’re definitely tough for new players since there’s a lot to keep track of
harsh bluff
They’re definitely tough for new players since there’s a lot to keep track of
yea
hecate is much gentler compared to this
i can see why she's a teacher now
lol
torn wind
Hecate is generally considered to be the easiest fight in the game and Scylla is just a bit more difficult
The difficulty ranking of all the bosses moves around a lot though when you get their upgraded versions later in the game
red fox
When you do fresh file run, hecate give you 3 business day notice before her attack
torn wind
Yeah frenzy 0 is like “okay look out for the attack. You’re watching right? Okay just wanna make sure. I’ll give you some time to drink some water I care about your health”
harsh bluff
The difficulty ranking of all the bosses moves around a lot though when you get ...
oh rlly?
harsh bluff
Yeah frenzy 0 is like “okay look out for the attack. You’re watching right? Okay...
hahha yea
if you know the pattern it's pretty simple
torn wind
Once you unlock “fear”, which is the games version of optional difficulty scaling, one of the vows you can take is “vow of rivals” which gives all the bosses upgraded versions that are WAY harder
harsh bluff
turning into ship was pretty funy tho
torn wind
Rivals Scylla goes from being a bottom 2 boss to top 3 if not top 1
harsh bluff
Once you unlock “fear”, which is the games version of optional difficulty scalin...
so you've beaten those?
torn wind
I’ve beaten the game with every vow at once other than removing my arcana
Known as 62 fear
harsh bluff
wow
torn wind
65 removes almost all your arcana to where you still get to use judgement arcana, which gives you arcana over the course of the run but you start a lot weaker
And 67 is every single vow and no arcana at all
harsh bluff
that sounds crazy
torn wind
I don’t have that much time on 62 fear and plan to try 65 at some point but I doubt I’ll go for a 67 fear
harsh bluff
max fear is 67?
torn wind
Yep
harsh bluff
harsh bluff
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what do you think i add here?
torn wind
Honestly just take night. I would say drop swift runner to take lovers but it doesn’t have much value when it isn’t upgraded and swift runner is still nice to have since it makes you run through enemies
willow fog
Mhm, the gap from 62 and 65 is deadass
torn wind
Mhm, the gap from 62 and 65 is deadass
Honestly the gap between 62 and 65 is a lot smaller than 65 and 67
willow fog
Imagine being batman and giving up not only your utility belt but your clothes
willow fog
Honestly the gap between 62 and 65 is a lot smaller than 65 and 67
I forgot, whats the last one?
torn wind
Since 65 is just 62 with a slightly harder start but the endgame isn’t any harder
harsh bluff
when do i start taking enchantress?
torn wind
when do i start taking enchantress?
Enchantress is only useful if you’re playing an aspect that uses omega a lot
Depends heavily by aspect whether omegas are good
willow fog
Mhm, is that crit combo?
harsh bluff
Enchantress is only useful if you’re playing an aspect that uses omega a lot
ahh alright
torn wind
Mhm, is that crit combo?
No that’s night
willow fog
Whats enchantress ako
torn wind
Channel speed for omegas
nova oar
Apollo
red fox
Isn't that sorcerer
torn wind
Oh right enchantress is the rerolls
red fox
Although i don't read arcana name a lot isn't enchantress one of reroll arcana
torn wind
Yeah it’s the Circe one
harsh bluff
its reroll
torn wind
is tooth basically a dd?
It’s a DD but you don’t keep it if you still have the DD when you swap off of it
Tooth DD also does not activate before your other DD’s
So it’s not good to take unless you’re out of DD’s or expect to use up all your normal ones ones
If you do use tooth DD though it counts as an empty DD slot until you swap off of it
harsh bluff
It’s a DD but you don’t keep it if you still have the DD when you swap off of it
ahh alright
i thought i just heal more through dd
torn wind
So if you see a Kiss of Styx at end shop you can buy it before swapping off of tooth if you’re not running DD’s
harsh bluff
ring is usually best i think
torn wind
For axe take Apollo attack
harsh bluff
oh rlly
harsh bluff
i will take attack and rarify
nova oar
Rarity means nothing
harsh bluff
are they forced to be always commons for the first one
harsh bluff
Rarity means nothing
hmm ok
torn wind
Rarity scaling only matters a lot on a handful of boons overall
But it matters a lot more when you’re starting the game
Compared to when you have endgame keepsakes
torn wind
Rarity means nothing
It means a lot more when you don’t have JPom
harsh bluff
But it matters a lot more when you’re starting the game
make sense
torn wind
Without jpom, getting epic can mean double the effect on a good number of boons
(Jpom being something you won’t unlock for a long time)
stone thistle
im consistently dying to scylla
i lerned to kill the drummer first as she is responsible for the floor things, then kill the guitarist then kill skyla
i recon at the moment i am imbetween early game, and later game
as i have vancuished chronos but i havent even made it to ||typhon||
torn wind
Thats still early game tbh
stone thistle
really?
torn wind
Have you started playing with fear or anything yet?
stone thistle
i ahve unlocked it
but i have a streak of killing chronos and i want to keep it going atm
after i die a prob will
torn wind
Mid-game is working on testaments on the Oath of the Unseen and reaching credits
torn wind
The main issue with Selene Coat is that the hex you get from it doesn’t really do much and it locks you out of getting actually good hexes
stone thistle
yhea it kinda does
torn wind
Otherwise it’s kinda just a slower Melinoe Coat
stone thistle
i odnt use my hex or my snare really
torn wind
Then you might as well play Melinoe Coat
Since that at least has buffs that are always active
stone thistle
ahhh
nova oar
also i am using the aspect of seline on the cape
Don't
harsh bluff
nova oar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1501530562643361792...
tooth
harsh bluff
alright
torn wind
You’ll probably need it for the fight anyways
stone thistle
its like asecond death defy
willow fog
The main issue with Selene Coat is that the hex you get from it doesn’t really d...
Whats that hex do again btw
stone thistle
it like makes strikes of light that hit enemies around you
torn wind
Whats that hex do again btw
Hits nearby enemies and gives them a debuff to take 50% extra damage from omegas
stone thistle
bout 60 damage each
torn wind
On a weapon where omegas are pretty bad
And are not a core source of damage
And it’s also only an additive buff
stone thistle
anyone seen or found it funny that if you pause the game in the chronos fight he will break the forth wall and speak to you
willow fog
Hits nearby enemies and gives them a debuff to take 50% extra damage from omegas
That would be good on anything but the coat lol
On the axe that would be solid
willow fog
And it’s also only an additive buff
Bruh
torn wind
Yeah it would be great on axe to run around with your whirlwind smiting guys
willow fog
Few things more cursed than additive buffs
torn wind
Not really
It’s just it’s an additive buff that ONLY applies to omegas
If it applied to all damage it would be great
willow fog
Oh definitely
torn wind
It’s that it’s an additive buff and also not global that makes it bad
willow fog
Are the devs seemingly satisfied with it btw
I hear a lotta other weps got really intensive overhauls
torn wind
I mean the only weapon balance change we’ve gotten since patch 1 was making Hel omega attack come out faster
And also fixing some interactions with casts on Circe
willow fog
Wdym? Which interactions
stone thistle
anyone seen or found it funny that if you pause the game in the chronos fight he will break the forth wall and speak to you
torn wind
Yeah except it’s annoying when I do it during a speedrun to find where he teleported to and have to sit through the dialogue
But otherwise I love it as a little detail
red fox
It even funnier in rival fight
stone thistle
rival fight?
torn wind
Vow of Rivals
stone thistle
whats that
cunning laurel
Tidal ring and Sword ring wouldn’t hit twice
did sword ring get fixed??
torn wind
Makes all the bosses harder for each level
stone thistle
ohhh
torn wind
did sword ring get fixed??
Yeah in Patch 2
stone thistle
what is your go to keepsake to run
torn wind
Each level of Vow of Rivals gives an additional region a harder boss
torn wind
what is your go to keepsake to run
You’re pre credits so you don’t have it yet but Jeweled Pom is the de facto meta keepsake
stone thistle
whats it do
cunning laurel
i only heard about damage increase of sword ring, is it actually usable without duos
torn wind
whats it do
Gives every single boon that can accept Poms of Power an extra 3 levels instantly and gives you a random Hades boon at the start of the run
stone thistle
that sound op
torn wind
It’s absurdly strong
stone thistle
whats your favorite god that you would like to accept a boon from right at the start of a run
willow fog
Tbh I will never refuse a hep boon
Regardless of run man will always give smtn of value
torn wind
Hephaestus is pretty weak for damage without jeweled pom but his safety boons are good
stone thistle
how many hours in the game do yall have
slow sphinx
Hello all.. does anyone know why Im not seeing the familiar spirit encantation?.. I've completed about 15 runs underworld and 2 runs on the surface
red fox
What boon only onion
willow fog
Wont say no to 20 armor per room
nova oar
Hello all.. does anyone know why Im not seeing the familiar spirit encantation?....
Have you been talking to frinos
willow fog
Hello all.. does anyone know why Im not seeing the familiar spirit encantation?....
Need all 5 familiars
Not 4, the wiki is outdated
torn wind
Hello all.. does anyone know why Im not seeing the familiar spirit encantation?....
Speak to the frog after every run
slow sphinx
Have you been talking to frinos
Every time
stone thistle
whats the familiar spirit incantation
slow sphinx
About 4 times each run
torn wind
whats the familiar spirit incantation
Unlocks familiars
stone thistle
to be able to take them into the fight right
harsh bluff
broooo
stone thistle
what
harsh bluff
i almost killed scylla
nova oar
Every time
Have you been confiding in him after runs?
willow fog
Talk to the frog
stone thistle
how long you been playing for hwa
slow sphinx
Have you been confiding in him after runs?
I interacted with frinos 4 times after each run
nova oar
how long you been playing for hwa
A few days
stone thistle
he has or you
willow fog
Theyre getting further at leasr
slow sphinx
This is my 2nd account btw .. the first account I had no probs
willow fog
We helped him figure out the spirit minigame
stone thistle
i messed up
how long you been playing for?
harsh bluff
how long you been playing for hwa
like 2 days
stone thistle
same honestly
harsh bluff
stone thistle
like 3 for me
nova oar
he has or you
Nah i've been doin this shyt for years
torn wind
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Take messenger
willow fog
Luthien runs 60+ fear
harsh bluff
alright
torn wind
Messenger gives you another hefty way to dodge damage
willow fog
I run a fifth of that lol
nova oar
Luthien runs 60+ fear
Why do you keep telling people that 😭
stone thistle
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you unlocked moon dust yet
willow fog
I cant flex myself
harsh bluff
you unlocked moon dust yet
what sthat
willow fog
DDs always get value on losing runs
harsh bluff
i havent' lol
slow sphinx
I'm guessing nobody knows then?
torn wind
you unlocked moon dust yet
You don’t get them until you’ve unlocked all the arcana AFAIK
stone thistle
how many times have you left the crossroads
slow sphinx
Bug maybe?
harsh bluff
how many times have you left the crossroads
many times
willow fog
You don’t get them until you’ve unlocked all the arcana AFAIK
Not all, just 10 iirc
torn wind
I'm guessing nobody knows then?
🤷♂️ have you been collecting resources all the time?
harsh bluff
idk tho
torn wind
If you just keep playing the game it will eventually unlock
willow fog
I definitely didnt get the phoenix feather judgement card until well past true ending
slow sphinx
🤷♂️ have you been collecting resources all the time?
All the time .. I never leave a room unchecked
torn wind
I just think you haven’t reached the secondary requirements beyond confiding in frinos
stone thistle
If you just keep playing the game it will eventually unlock
then you can upgrade your cards so that they are more effective