h2-discussion

[desert verge]

damn

[craggy totem]

If you're relying on waves or scorch for your damage, then it kinda doesn't matter as much because those are separate from your weapon damage

[desert verge]

the more i discover the less i want it

[reef sail]

I mostly go for the festive fog

[desert verge]

what

[craggy totem]

Poseidon waves are an extra effect that happen when you hit

Same for Scorch being a curse that happens to also do damage

Neither of those modifies your base damage

[desert verge]

yeah i think i will go there too, random HP also doesnt look promising enough

[reef sail]

Random hp is funny

[desert verge]

no fun allowed

but

my 275 with his 90-120

around 400 not so bad maybe

[reef sail]

You’ll want to take all of them at some point anyway, prophecy list

[desert verge]

i did it

[reef sail]

Give him a second nectar to make it show up

[desert verge]

already i think

[reef sail]

Ah. Then yeah I suggest fog

[desert verge]

or not

[reef sail]

The one where you give up your money and get more later can be nice too

But it’s really hard to say no to fog bonus damage

[desert verge]

i dont think it is matter i will face rival Prometheus for the 1st time

[reef sail]

Or grape juice can be okay

[whole remnant]

grape juice or hang over on high fear

[desert verge]

and if simple Prometheus was painful

[whole remnant]

depending omegas or standard strike

worry free is fine

[desert verge]

i cant imagine what will be with rival

[whole remnant]

but i'm gonna white antler rivals typhon anyway so i drop to 30hp soon so worry free not worth it

bounce back is the best without scars

without scars its meaningless

grape juice or hangover for me

with scars

[craggy totem]

Ya mean with?

[whole remnant]

ya

but with scars off it is the best. with scars grape juice or hangover depending on aspect

reckless on supay maybe

attack is ass

so probably way boosts your average attack

especially if like epic

[broken glen]

I love worry free #justdontgethit

[craggy totem]

Fake

[broken glen]

I always take it if it’s good rarity and I need a bit more bulk

[whole remnant]

epic worry free would be nice but i know im going to 30hp soon anyways

[broken glen]

Like common isn’t worth it but with an epic it is

[craggy totem]

I am not good enough to antler, but on the flip side that means I have been picking up max healths, so I probably don't need the Worry Free (more like Worry Fret)

[broken glen]

Just don’t worry about it!

Out of sight out of mind

[whole remnant]

antler isn't that bad i was worried when i started but you do so much damage you destroy them before they can get you

and you phase the VOR4 fights like crazy

nice to have some armor built

love heph and silken sash in UW or even surface if i don't need knuckle bones

[jolly wing]

For gifts of night, what items do you want the most?

Is it

1. Stardust
2. Beast Treats
3. Nightmare
4. Moondust

[whole remnant]

moondust is the most common

stardust and nightmare are easily obtainable tho

beast treats you gotta whip up n such

[halcyon rain]

but if you #justdontgethit why would you want the extra hp anyway

[torn wind]

Personally early on I was most thankful to see nightmare and star dust since I’d already finished upgrading all my familiars before I’d seen those altars anyways

[broken glen]

Because sometimes you might. So it’s sorta like acorn in that respect

Once you take it you just don’t have to think about it

[jolly wing]

You can get 3 Beast Treats with a Stardust, though it does require a Golden Apple too

[torn wind]

Yeah but I already played surface often enough I was showered with those things

[desert verge]

wow i managed to beat rival Prometheus

it only cost me 4dd

[torn wind]

Did you hug the wall the entire time?

Fighting in the middle of the arena is a death sentence

[craggy totem]

Is it? I've never noticed

Don't you get better visibility on the big man's wanderings-about if you are round the middle? /curious

[torn wind]

Eh just Medea is a pain and poly always jumps to the edge anyways. I only go in the middle if ||Medea|| is gone

[craggy totem]

What? We are talking about Prometheus

[cursive nacelle]

if you let his big fat AoEs cover the middle its kinda annoying. But you still have enough room(talking about prometheus)

[torn wind]

Oh duh I’m tired

I read Polyphemus

[craggy totem]

Everybody wants to go to the poly prom

[torn wind]

That sounds… complicated

Okay yeah rivals Prometheus is rough

[craggy totem]

....promplicated?

[desert verge]

if you asking me - i focused Prometheus 1st cus i knew how to beat him and just fought him as usual with more running(

[strong rapids]

add polyphemus to promacles, call that a poly relationship

[torn wind]

👉 🚪 there’s the door. You can let yourself out

[strong rapids]

🚪 🚶‍♂️

[eager gust]

how have i gotten storm ring at home 2 runs in a row

with fates whim

[torn wind]

What’s storm ring at home?

Smolder ring or we talking thunder rush?

[eager gust]

demeter cast + zeus team up

[torn wind]

Oh… ew

[eager gust]

literally storm ring off temu

i think ive realised my fav cast is hephs

i love the sound effect

i dont like hestias because scorch never feels like its doing anything

its not visual enough for me

[strong rapids]

I love scorch cast, easy origination and not bad damage. plus the boon that gives extra dodge against scorched enemies

[craggy totem]

It applies a surprising amount of scorch for not being a special or attack

[eager gust]

i think i just like my damaging effects to have more visual impact to them

like gameplay wise its good

[strong rapids]

totally valid, the big funny hammer for heph cast is also quite appealing

[eager gust]

idk how id make scorch more visually interesting

[craggy totem]

I think the game is already A Lot visually, but I'm amused to personally meet someone who is like "YES, the million big visual effects are for ME"

[long fossil]

guys what's the best thing to apply hitch on? attack or special or sprint?

[craggy totem]

Depends on your build/aspect

[long fossil]

so preferably something that does area damage?

[eager gust]

i love going into a 2 god room with zeus cast, blade rifts, gusts, and apollos omega cast boon

[craggy totem]

Hits multiple enemies, anyway

[eager gust]

makes me feel like the game is gonna crash

[merry whale]

it would be visually interesting if you could see scorch number on typhon

[desert verge]

that was unlucky( almost killed Typhon after rival Prometheus( i feel like i cant beat that game(

[craggy totem]

You'll get it in another run, I believe in u

[rare summit]

My brain is hitting me with "ok, take this silly/funny beat in the game and turn it into a fanfic that takes it to its logical conclusion like an actual ingame event"

[long fossil]

if u can beat rival prometheus u can beat typhon and if u can beat typhon u can beat rival typhon

[desert verge]

it is too late to fo it today

[eager gust]

i had a very interesting typhon kill with knuckle bones, the hades boon that chops off 20%, and dems legendary

only had to do 60% of his hp

[long fossil]

how do u get a hades boon in surface?

[desert verge]

i can beat typhon i did it already 10 times i was just unlucky, greedy and stupid

[blissful fog]

jpom

[craggy totem]

It's a post-game keepsake, you can't get it if you haven't finished the main game

[desert verge]

well at least i unlocked 4th Rivals

[long fossil]

i got the credits today

[craggy totem]

Then you'll just need to speak with the appropriate parties enough times 👍

[desert verge]

and give NECTAR

no, dont give nectar to me, i dont have anything to give you in return

[blissful fog]

yes you do

you just dont know it yet

[desert verge]

this channel doesnt even allow post things

[blissful fog]

i know

[desert verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227928263779815507/1227928927574425652/4.6_Emote_SFEveylnn_Heart.gif?ex=69f5d26e&is=69f480ee&hm=842ab9fe803b1887f3bd98405f02a5dc7657229da60f1a648a655c941d285fd6&

[jolly wing]

Woah, I have access to Dream Dives on Night 29.

What rewards do you get from it?

[broken glen]

A good night's rest

[cursive nacelle]

only decorations. And the rewards from a fated list

[torn wind]

You do still early gems and bones from using your grave thirst weapon of the night

[void needle]

is eris showing up in crossroads completely rng or is it based on something about the gameplay idk

[torn wind]

She’s usually there if you beat her AFAIK

Unless for some reason she isn’t and I’m just delusional about that being a thing

[void needle]

yeah she is not here no lol

[cursive nacelle]

she almost always there if you beat her.

otherwise its rng i believe.

[zealous remnant]

Need tips on vow setup for first 24 surface. How would u guys set it up and what would be the easiest clear

[torn wind]

What time do your runs usually take?

And have you played with frenzy at all?

Those are two very big vows that provide a lot of fear

[zealous remnant]

Maybe 15-20 minutes i would say. Only played with frenzy in underworld

[torn wind]

Frenzy 2?

Frenzy on surface isn’t terrible aside from a few enemies that bum rush you and a good amount of projectiles

[reef sail]

Frenzy2 Olympus is my nemesis

And by that I don’t mean large woman who steps on me

[zealous remnant]

Yeah i stay away from max frenzy im not that guy 😅

[reef sail]

You can become that guy

It really is just relearning timings

[torn wind]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDMsMCwwLDAsNSwwLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsNV0=

I only take menace off because of enemy scaling on surface being wack

But you can drop to time 2 and take menace 2

[reef sail]

I don’t wanna think about automatons on ships

[torn wind]

You will think about it. And it will make you sad

[zealous remnant]

How do u get so many rivals options? I only have one

[torn wind]

Or anchors taking 2 years to kill in room 1 in ephyra

[reef sail]

You should have a prophecy explaining it

[torn wind]

You gotta beat each tier of rivals on both paths to unlock the next

[reef sail]

You have to beat both VoR1 bosses

[torn wind]

You don’t have to clear the run just win the fight

[zealous remnant]

Oh okey. Sounds good. I beat the one in underworld

[torn wind]

So yeah just need to do rivals Polyphemus

[reef sail]

The surface VoR1 is a rude awakening

For me anyway it was

[torn wind]

Just stick to the walls

He’s not hard if you just don’t stand in the middle

[proud swift]

You also need to beat Charybdis at least once. (or maybe just encounter them?)

[torn wind]

Yeah you need to beat them

[zealous remnant]

Max time would stress me out 😅

[torn wind]

It’s an annoying requirement that they had to fix an issue with Charybdis not appearing

Had seen some people who’d already gotten to 24 fear and never got rivals 2 because they never once fought Charybdis

[reef sail]

Frenzy2 helps here!

You’re already clearing under time3

[torn wind]

Frenzy 2 in place of time 3 is also an option

[reef sail]

I just meant frenzy2 helps with speed

Directly

[torn wind]

Frenzy really isn’t THAT much of a time saver realistically

Yes it does make the game faster but over a run it adds up to only like a couple dozen seconds

[reef sail]

Let me trick myself into accepting my frenzy2 fate in peace

[torn wind]

Oh don’t get me wrong I never turn off frenzy 2

I have never fought a single rivals boss, outside of chaos trials, without frenzy 2 on

I haven’t turned it off in over 300 hours

[blissful fog]

i just died at typhon again

and i had such a good run

[reef sail]

Rip

[torn wind]

Question

Where did you stand while fighting him?

[blissful fog]

uh

[reef sail]

Hugging his chin is usually safest, that tongue laser is no joke

[torn wind]

Cause you want to be standing right up against his chin and just reacting to his attacks

[blissful fog]

yea thats what i was doing

but i had to dodge the headbutts

[reef sail]

But you have to be ready to dodge the chin slam

[torn wind]

Okay well then just react better I guess is all I can say

Dodge backwards not sideways

[blissful fog]

and i died when he started shooting the tiny red balls after i dodged the headbutt

[reef sail]

We do hate the balls

[zealous remnant]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDMsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDIsMl0=

this is my setup im thinking. What do u guys think?

[torn wind]

Yeah you can do the entire Typhon fight without ever touching left or right besides going kill eggs

[reef sail]

I would suggest taking either time3 or frenzy2 so you can drop menace

[jolly wing]

Is there a prereq for Medea’s Malice in Kind curse to appear?

I’m not seeing it.

[reef sail]

Probably having DDs

[jolly wing]

I had one

[reef sail]

But I can’t say for sure

It’s all random after all

[torn wind]

You need to complete her quest she gives you

To fetch an ingredient for her

[reef sail]

I saw that long before doing the quest

I’m pretty sure

[jolly wing]

I thought that is for Harm for the Afflicted

[torn wind]

Yeah I got that backwards

But yeah it should appear as long as you have death defiances

[jolly wing]

How about had?

[blissful fog]

im grinding nightmare for my last staff upgrade rn

so i can buy anubis staff

[torn wind]

You just have to have the slots as far as I’m aware

[torn wind]

Anubis is fun. Very awkward to learn but very strong

[jolly wing]

I reloaded a save with a DD.

There’s the curse….

[blissful fog]

can't be that hard

i'll watch some yt vids on it

[torn wind]

You have to learn dash ranges for omega attack setups

It’s just awkward, not difficult

[tired iris]

Sooooo... anybody wanna swap tier lists/rankings for the Nocturnal Arms?

[lean bronze]

Winning a run using a non hel skull aspect without parray makes me feel like a chad everytime

[tired iris]

Sounds like you're a fan of Hel, then?

[jolly wing]

Can Artemis show up at any Health/Magick room on Region 1 Surface? Or not in small rooms?

Nvm, she showed up in a small room!

[merry whale]

yea hp and magic rooms are the only rooms art can spawn in for surface

[craggy totem]

If you already got a hex, can she spawn in a Selene room? I forgor, I only remember there was some kind of change wrt how strict her requirements are

[merry whale]

art can spawn in path of stars room, just not a hex selection room

which is kinda ass but it is the way it is

[craggy totem]

Aspect of Selene OP for summoning Arty on the Surface, heard /taps nose

[merry whale]

well

the first reward is gonna be a moondrop anyway

[craggy totem]

Huh?

[merry whale]

so ig i shoulda clarified that i'm pretty sure moondrop counts in banning art

[craggy totem]

Aspect of Selene doesn't guarantee moondrop wdym

[merry whale]

ok i mean the first selene reward is going to be a moondrop

[craggy totem]

OH as in the type of reward that it counts as

[merry whale]

yea

it's not like the first reward gets forced to be a path of stars like it should but idk

it's also currently bugged apparently where it's supposed to add +2 nodes for your first path but doesn't

[craggy totem]

Oh yeah, I remember that

The discussion about whether that counted as a "fix" or a "buff" in Purple's mod

Still not fixed in actual!game huh

[merry whale]

ye i mean no one should know it's a bug so no one's really reported it

and idk if i should report it cuz it's forbidden knowledge technically

[craggy totem]

Oh I see 🤔 🤔

[merry whale]

idk maybe i'll report it when i'm bored

[craggy totem]

Perhaps it can be a feedback. I don't have any forbidden knowledge myself but I sure would like if Selene coat enabled its gimmick more.

[merry whale]

yea and also destroy the small tree entirely

[jolly wing]

Night 29, Aphrodite still hasn’t given me Nectar recipe.

Yes, I have at least 2 Golden Apples.

[merry whale]

i want to play the aspect not be forced into an ass small tree

[craggy totem]

I will do a run with it and type something up later. I myself have in the past been the kind of person to say "if you don't tell someone about your complaint, they can't do anything about it", and I shouldn't be a hypocrite ;P

[merry whale]

tru

[jolly hound]

What’s purple mod

[lean bronze]

nop
Torches

[wheat stream]

Hello everyone im new here i wanted to ask about black coat i haven’t really played this weapon much but i will have to clear with it what do yall think is pretty fun on it?

[craggy totem]

As a coat lover, I think almost everything is pretty fun on it, but if you'd like some build advice, check out the coat section in the guide pinned in #h2-builds-and-combat

[wheat stream]

I haven’t really figured out a fun way to play it so i wanted to ask

[wheat stream]

Alright thank you so much

[reef sail]

Skull
Flames
Axe
Coat
Staff
Blades

For me

[solid epoch]

are we talking about the base or taking the aspects into account?

[craggy totem]

Coat > Staff > Flames/Skull > Blades > Axe 🫡

[tired iris]

I suppose I meant "the best aspect of each weapon"

[craggy totem]

That's a bit subjective in itself!

[tired iris]

Speaking of which, my ranking and favorite aspects are........

[tired iris]

Yeah, but that's why it is fun 🙂

[halcyon rain]

What is commonly agreed is
Mel staff
Morrigan blades
Moros torches
Charon axe
Nyx coat
Medea skull

[craggy totem]

Ehhh, I've seen plenty of advocates for Circe for high Fear, and Mel coat has a faster speedrun record than any of the others (as well as being non-magick-dependent)

[halcyon rain]

yeah its hard to say, this game is insanely balanced

[tired iris]

Speaking of which, my ranking and favorite aspects are........

1. Torches (Mel) >>
2. Staff (Circe) >
3. Axe (NurgleNergal) >
4. Blades (Pan) >>
5. Skull (Persephone) >
6. Coat (Mel I guess)

[craggy totem]

nurgle~

[reef sail]

Nyx loop is just fun to me

Even though I probably eat stuff way more than I should while trying to ram things

Surprisingly small hitbox on some enemies

Do I drop artificer for eternity on Charon?

Or just suffer

[craggy totem]

Are you running rerolls?

[reef sail]

Nope

[craggy totem]

The recommendations I've heard from people who run Charon a lot more than me have trended toward "use rerolls"

[reef sail]

Humm

[craggy totem]

In which case you may want to drop artificer anyway

[reef sail]

I suppose a break from jpom can be arranged

[tired iris]

Wait, Charon axe? That one seems a lot more unweildly than Thanatos and lacks Nergal's heal

[halcyon rain]

for high fear nergal is the choice but charon is super strong in general

[reef sail]

Giga cleaver Charon is cracked

[tired iris]

Hah, first 0 damage Typhon fight!

[rose otter]

Heading into house of hades for the first time wish me luck

[willow fog]

Why are morrigan blades that good

[reef sail]

May have just lost all my DDs to the contract fight, rolled Athena keepsake for the first time ever, and then got echo to restore all my DDs 😎

[rose otter]

I lost

Or should I say I learned

[nova oar]

Charon over thantrash all day every day

[craggy totem]

777 damage on demand is pretty good, and the normal attack sequence also hits a bunch

[jolly wing]

What determines the maximum gold you get in a room (from enemies)?

Can the Vow of Menace potentially get you more gold?

[candid nimbus]

Taking my average of how I like each aspect

Torches
Skull
Staff
Coat
Blades
Axes

Not that big of a difference between the 3-5 position tbh, but Torches and Skull are ahead of the curve because they have my 2 favorite Aspects (Persephone and torches' hidden aspect)

[tired iris]

Behold! Soteria, goddess of safety grants you the ability to get one specific boon at the start of your run, every single run. Quality is randomly common, rare, or epic following the normal rules, and you can't get any boon you don't meet the requirements for (so no duo or legendaries). Which boon are you picking?

[broken glen]

Success rate (it can meet the prereqs if you’re using the right aspect)

[reef sail]

onion

[tired iris]

I said Soteria, not Momus

[limpid stream]

I have a feeling that volcanic strike is a bad choice for Anubis but ngl it sounds fun

[craggy totem]

It is not good synergy but it is very funny

[reef sail]

Which is obviously a priority

[tired iris]

That actually sounds pretty good?

[craggy totem]

The blast is on a global cooldown per boon

It doesn't do a separate blast for each enemy

[broken glen]

Wouldn’t it only hit the first enemy that came into the radius

[tired iris]

Oh wait, I was thinking Hel and not Anubus, nevermind

[craggy totem]

Same issue with Hel

[tired iris]

Oh, that too

[reef sail]

So one hel ospec would only ever fire blast on one enemy?

[limpid stream]

I’ve seen other attacks trigger volcanic on multiple at once

[reef sail]

Per use

[craggy totem]

Well, the blast is an AOE

So it hits multiple enemies if they're all in the same place

But only one blast gets triggered

[reef sail]

Sadge

Blast gaming is really fun

[tired iris]

I still want to do a run with like hephesteus attack on hel skull and try to pump the level up as high as possible.

[limpid stream]

So I imagine it could work if I just made sure the max enemies were in the circle at the start which seems like a good strategy regardless. Not optional but doable

[craggy totem]

Right, it's not optimal but it's quite playable, one of my earliest Anubis clears was funni Heph attack

Other stuff just has scads more going for it is all

But if you get the CD down far enough, you're kinda just vibing in Heph's world and the specifics of your aspect's attack set matter less 😂

Aspect of Clang

[limpid stream]

Booting up the game wish me luck

[radiant ore]

is there aa mod letting you test boons and hammers in the training area?

[nova oar]

Not yet, afaik

[reef sail]

That surprises me, that was one of the most popular h1 mods afaik

Am I going to have to visit Circe again after Mel refused to help her with the spell?

Bc I fought the boss in question a second time after the refusal and nothing happened

[limpid stream]

Does extra dose trigger volcanic twice

[craggy totem]

Nope. The cooldown is inviolable.

[reef sail]

Extra dose has never impressed me so far

[craggy totem]

Anything with a cooldown is held to that cooldown no matter how many times you try to trigger it with the same move -- the +power bonus from Wounds works similarly.

[reef sail]

Not even on the chaos trial I did that was shilling it heavily

[limpid stream]

Runs dead I got greedy and fought ||Zag|| in Erebus

[reef sail]

Who let him hit so hard

[tired iris]

That reminds me, do bonuses to damage (e.g. Strength Arcana) increase "elemental" damage from boons liks Zeus' chain lightning or Hestia's burning effect?

[nova oar]

Yes, origination, furies, and strength are all global damage

[tired iris]

Sweeeeeeet, thanks!

[wheat stream]

I been trying to do hypnos quest i did the first part but i cant get medea to give me the second am i missing something?

[reef sail]

Dialogue priority/rng just keep meeting her

Also the final part is gated by credits, there might be something gating part 2 but couldn’t tell you for sure

There’s no rush unless you’re already post credits in which case it’s definitely just dialogue rng

[wheat stream]

The thing is i started doing the quest after credit

[reef sail]

Just keep trying then

Maybe talk to him more? If you don’t always do that

[wheat stream]

But i do understand i got too excited and ||unlocked the oath fight with her an polyphemus so she keeps talking about it||

[reef sail]

Mhm

Dialogue priorities be like that

[wheat stream]

I ran out of dialogue unfortunately even with him and other characters

Im also suffering with the same thing ||trying to get the hidden aspect from circe||

She keeps talking about other things lmao

[craggy totem]

Have you unlocked every staffspect and maxed one of the non-Mel staves?

[wheat stream]

I have

Also how does hitch actually work? At first i thought it was like networked suffering from ROR2 but it doesn’t seem that way

[reef sail]

It’s a curse that lasts x seconds

During those x seconds if you strike an enemy with it, other enemies with it take some of that damage

It’s very good

[wheat stream]

It seems so it activates origination which is good enough for me

[reef sail]

Yerp

[nova oar]

It works the same as networked suffering, just without the damage burst at the end

[wheat stream]

Wait really? I thought the enemy you attack doesn’t get the damage with hitch

As in the extra damage

[reef sail]

Just attack all the hitched enemies at once 😄

[craggy totem]

Sworn Strike Anubis:

[reef sail]

My sworn flourish Charon run had ospec out damaging my casts

Granted I had giga cleaver

[nova oar]

They do on first hit

[reef sail]

Whoops, guess I killed skelly

[flat gorge]

(wrong channel lol)

[nova oar]

But to answer your question, no, and no

[flat gorge]

damn ok, thanks

[ionic sedge]

What's the best boon combo for Aspect of Charon again? Been a while since I played (pre 1.0, back when Descura's Special shoots arrows instead of the current long-range attack) so I forgot a lot of things.

[nova oar]

Apollo cast hera special

[ionic sedge]

ty

also what does the skull icon that sometimes appear when charging an omega mean again?

oh wait it's the Night Arcana

Is it just me or are Hexes just... kinda sucks?

[nova oar]

They do yeah

[reef sail]

They can be good crutches but usually just being OP is better

[ionic sedge]

yeah idk why they're designed to have so many small-but-stacking annoyances

needing magick usage, needing to wait 4 seconds, locking you in place without a damage reduction/negation, etc

[willow fog]

Hey uh, how does gold gold gold work

Like what doesnt it multiply?

[willow fog]

Some of them can be clutch, but either you get 3 hexes or you may as well get none

[nova oar]

What's the tooltip?

[willow fog]

It says duplicate items in most cases

So what cant it duplicate? Apparently even hammers get duped

[reef sail]

Gonna guess it won’t dupe the r4 shop premium item

But who knows!

Probably not the anvil either

[willow fog]

Apparently it dupes that too, people use it for nightmare/tickets

Im tryna figure out what it doesnt dupe so I can gauge what I can safely not use it on

[reef sail]

Wild

[broken glen]

From what I know, the wording is moreso to compensate for weird, unforeseen edge cases or oversights, but it will not dupe ||the 0 cost double pom that shows up in shops after beating Zagreus||

[willow fog]

Thank you

[reef sail]

That was actually gonna be my next guess 👀

[willow fog]

Im surprised thats all you'd get for kicking his ass

[broken glen]

well it's a free one in every shop

pretty good if you can get it in Erebus, Oceanus or Thessaly

not really worth it by the time you get to Olympus though

[willow fog]

Why not? Does he scale

[broken glen]

I mean there's only so many shops

the fight doesn't scale (making it easier later) but the reward depreciates over time

it's like h1 charon

[willow fog]

Oh, thanks

How doable is he in erebus

[reef sail]

Just transformed a nectar into a pom

But only have one boon so all I did was rob myself of a nectar :v

[reef sail]

Depends how much or little of a build you have by then

[willow fog]

I guess I gotta try him

Question, for the medea skull aspect how does the attack work

Seems like im jamming the skull into the special

[vital hollow]

Man, I'm doing a 40f Pan run on the surface, almost at Eris and have gotten 3 Poseidon boons so far, and not a single Wave Flourish

[cunning laurel]

yea exactly that

[willow fog]

So, do I want the blitz boon on the attack or the special

[vital hollow]

Oh my god, halfway through mount Olympus and still haven't gotten Wave flourish

[cunning laurel]

special

[willow fog]

Thanks, so the attack hits after the special then

[reef sail]

Yorp

It’s such a fun weapon

[vital hollow]

Finally got Wave flourish only after beating Promecles, sometimes I really miss rerolls

[wind glen]

Anyone else been entertained by Narcissus’s tone?

[willow fog]

Bruh hazard boon, is this real

Its horrific

Is it just dealt to you or is it just turning friendly fire on for yourself

[nova oar]

It is yes

[cunning laurel]

it hits everything lol

otherwise whats the benefit

[cursive nacelle]

It does a lot of damage. Think its 500 to enemies

[reef sail]

Just don’t stand in it ez

[willow fog]

I meant if it did damage on cast

Or damage if you stand there

[reef sail]

Finally got autogather and it was before epilogue

[reef sail]

It’s in the middle of the cast so it’s really annoying actually to know when you’re gonna get hit

The tooltip says exactly how long I think

Like 2 seconds in or something

[willow fog]

It said 4 seconds but it blinks in half second beats, its so easy to mess up lmao

All that for 500 damage

[vital hollow]

Is it just me or are Axe runs much harder in dream dives, haven't won a single one yet

[willow fog]

Which axe?

[vital hollow]

Nergal

[willow fog]

Makes sense tbh

This is gonna sound silly but have you considered turning on hordes

[nova oar]

Just a bit of a skill issue

[vital hollow]

The logic kinda makes sense, but once I'm in the final zone and it happens to be one of teh early zones, the speed boost on those guys will prevent me from getting an omega off

[nova oar]

Dash charge it, or take psyc whirl

[vital hollow]

Of course, already took it like 3 different times and then just got super ultra chronos final fight and got destroyed

[summer elk]

Does anyone know if bonuses to cast damage affect prominence flare?

[reef sail]

Just did hec hitless with an inferno bomb curse running

On PAN, wtf 🤬 why am I enjoying this aspect now

[tired iris]

The infernal contract thing Charon's shop seems like a noob trap just like it was in H1. If you can win that fight, you could have won the run without it anyway.

[strong rapids]

that's the point imo in both games, to get a cool fight to flex your good build on. it's not really a strategic choice

[reef sail]

Finally, I never have to bake another familiar cookie again

[tired iris]

I've been doing runs with two ranks of Fangs active, but still apparently have not killed an enemy with "Seeker". How do I find one?

[frosty veldt]

I’ve been missing one for like 30 runs… good ol rng

[bitter stirrup]

I often get Seeker Caskets (Erebus wormy enemy that shoots pink projectiles in a line)

[tired iris]

Thanks!

[reef sail]

I had seeker caskets for the first time tonight and man

[willow fog]

The nergal axe is really fun

[reef sail]

That is not fun

[nova oar]

Logged on to reddit after 5 months to see people still complaining about my one hot take

[willow fog]

Seeker caskets?

[reef sail]

Seeker caskets

[willow fog]

Your first mistake was logging into reddit

Seeker are the fish?

[nimble inlet]

I’m tom

[reef sail]

No, seeker is the vow of fangs buff that was hitting the enemy called casket

[nimble inlet]

Oh wait no I’m Randle

[willow fog]

Whats seeker do

[reef sail]

Casket is the worm on thessaly boats that spits projectiles

[willow fog]

Oh thats awful

[reef sail]

Seeker makes those homing

[willow fog]

Thessaly too

[nimble inlet]

Three lines of projectiles

[willow fog]

Certefied thessaly moment

Who has fun in thessaly

[reef sail]

Me

When I leave

[nimble inlet]

There’s sea salt

I need the sea salt

[reef sail]

I guess casket is the erebus version

[nimble inlet]

Quite the opposite

[reef sail]

So I meant I ran into seeker [whatever the boat version is called]

[reef sail]

Which one?

[frosty veldt]

I'd have to open the game and see what symbol it is. I dont remember

[reef sail]

Rip

I ran fangs for ages and was missing slicer

Turns out only like two enemies can have it

[frosty veldt]

I'll have to open the game later today and see, been distracted with new Diablo expansion

[tender steppe]

Are there less locations per region on the latest update?

[willow fog]

That dio hp rebate boon is busted good

[nova oar]

No?

[tender steppe]

Feels like it. I used that Eris thing that gives +1% damage after each encounter, and after two regions it only gave me 11%. I remember it being closer to 20%

[nova oar]

Difference between surface and uw ig

[jolly hound]

it only counts if you fight bad guys so if your Oceanus is say, combat, combat, narc, shop, miniboss, combat, Scylla that’s 4p not 7

[craggy totem]

Although it's more about could you have fought bad guys -- if your Fig Leaf nixes a room, or you hasten your butt out of a cocoon room without actually killing any of the dudes in cocoons, that still counts as "an encounter"

It's more to contrast with rooms that are intended to be safe, like shops, fountain rooms, etc.

[runic zodiac]

i can not get my first clear for the life of me chronos is so hard

someone gimme tips

[craggy totem]

What are you having the trouble with?

[runic zodiac]

like ive only fought him 4 or 5 times my first try i got to the second phase and died to like an 800 damage hit

and now like i just get damaged down in the first stage

[craggy totem]

You learned how to avoid the insta-kill big hits now, right?

[runic zodiac]

like go in the circle right

[craggy totem]

That's for one of his instakills, he has a second as well

[covert crane]

Yup. I believe you can technically also just use a dash to be invulnerable at the moment it pops, but I've never tried because it feels like cheating.

[craggy totem]

The timing required is precise enough that I think it's more like flexing tbh :P

[runic zodiac]

whats the other one

just beat cereburus i really wanna win this one

[covert crane]

It's another "stand in the highlighted zone to be safe", just differently shaped

[runic zodiac]

i got wide grin and tried it for the first time is it good or trash it feels awkward

[covert crane]

It definitely can be good, ridiculously brokenly good even.

How good it actually is depends on what you were trying to do and what others hammers you have.

[runic zodiac]

im using medea

alr im going into final zone should i bring knuckle bones or the tooth hm

[craggy totem]

It's not great on Medea

[runic zodiac]

damn well i have it

[covert crane]

Probably tooth, but I never take my own advice and use knuckle bones instead. You can do math based on your health to see which one gives you more HP, but having the extra death defy is worth more than the HP it gives you because of the temp invuln and ability to survive an insta-kill.

[runic zodiac]

ima bring the tooth cuz im out of defiances and i dont have strength

[covert crane]

I usually play Strength, the card that turns off if you have death defiance, so i stubbornly refuse to use tooth. But if you're struggling you should probably be running death defies anyway, and turning off Strength in the last zone isn't crazy.

Knuckle bones does a little damage to the boss too, but while this can speed up a win I think it does very little for your win % because you're effectively only skipping the earliest, easiest phase of the fight.

[craggy totem]

Well, I think if people are taking knucks for safety, it's more about the damage reduction

[covert crane]

On Medea, I do enjoy the time savings of being able to load all my skulls at once, but it's marginal. I would hope to find better attack-boosting hammers, but I might take it over hammers that are irrelevant to my build.

It does allow you to spam out several omega attacks for the price of one which could be valuable depending on your omega synergies and crowd-clear options.

If you get Wide Grin with the one that makes you skulls return to you instantly then the imega spam becomes absolutely disgusting.

[runic zodiac]

I DID IT

I THINK

unless theres another phase

[craggy totem]

Not for you, no.

[runic zodiac]

now i think i can get medea leveled up i needed nightmare

alr i took more damage from hecate than anyone else other than chronos

thats pretty bad

[halcyon rain]

its actually less damage

also wide grin is very bad with medea

you want to load one or two max and repeat

[runic zodiac]

is beating chronos not credits?

[rose otter]

God please tell me how I'm supposed to get 3 more bronze

It's been 6 hours since I found the first bit. I just play and play and play and no bronze. What am I doing wrong

[runic zodiac]

alr now how do i get nightmare

[rose otter]

Did u get the aspects before u beat him

[craggy totem]

Nope, that's just one run. You can get more nightmare by doing the Fear bounties or fulfilling certain prophecies, and after you've done a couple of Fear bounties or so (don't remember the exact requirement) you'll also unlock the ability to buy it from the Crossroads vendors

[craggy totem]

Well, you haven't said anything about what you are doing exactly, so it's hard to say what you are doing wrong!

[runic zodiac]

whats the easiest effect for a first run with fear

[rose otter]

The Olympus path. I already have the upgrade that allows u to survive up there. Is the bronze in a specific area?

[craggy totem]

It's just in the first area. Bring Raki to increase your chance of finding "mineables", and keep in mind that if you haven't beat the entire game and unlocked some post-game incantations, simply hitting Undo Night is not going to reroll your run.

[rose otter]

Dude thank you

[craggy totem]

Depends on you and what you're playing. Hubris is pretty non-problematic on any aspect that doesn't rely a lot on magick, Time can be easy as well depending on your playstyle.

Denial doesn't really make the game straightforwardly harder, but does require a bit of a mental adjustment.

[runic zodiac]

i did thr time one

[craggy totem]

Remember that the bounties are per weapon, you can repeat the same fear level once on each weapon for separate bounties on each.

Just check the board to see what you're being asked for.

[runic zodiac]

wait i had to pick a specific weapon or ur just saying u can do it on each

[covert crane]

Nah, you need to ||clear both the underworld and overworld routes several times each, totalling about a dozen runs||

[runic zodiac]

how will i know

[covert crane]

Just keep playing, you will get prophecies and recipes

[runic zodiac]

so if i just keep beating runs itll happen got it

[craggy totem]

Open the Oath of the Unseen. It lists it out on the left side.

[runic zodiac]

how the hell do i get ares btw

[tranquil wren]

see the final boss in surface route

[covert crane]

I'm actually not sure -- I had already cleared the game when he was added

[craggy totem]

There's very little of the main part of this game that requires anything from you other than 'read the dialogue and prompts, and follow instructions' tbh

[runic zodiac]

oh i thought prometheus was the last guess i was wrong

[craggy totem]

If you do just that you will get everything you need to reach credits 👍

[runic zodiac]

yeah ur pushing it i aint reading shi

[craggy totem]

That's on you then :P

[covert crane]

indeed he is not

[tranquil wren]

shouldn't be proud of letting your brain turn to pudding

[desert verge]

am i just bad or dagger's hidden aspect is horrible?

[tranquil wren]

it'll take less time to read the text in game than ask here and wait for an answer

[craggy totem]

It's weaker if you haven't upgraded it

[covert crane]

probably both, IMO

(to clarify: it takes getting used to and has some non-obvious features and combos; once you get the hang of it, it feels perfectly decent. But in my personal experience playing 20-30 fear, I feel that I clear quicker and more comfortably on other dagger aspects)

[craggy totem]

It's considered the strongest dagger aspect at its full strength.

[tranquil wren]

^

[halcyon rain]

its not horrible but you need it upgraded

[desert verge]

need 1 more nightmare to finish

[tranquil wren]

it's a super fun aspect to play with

[desert verge]

but his omega moves are so slow and so short

[tranquil wren]

don't bother with omega special, really

[desert verge]

basic version of dagger seems way better

[tranquil wren]

to trigger blood triad, I go special -> attack -> omega attack

[craggy totem]

People usually use the omega attack to trigger the omega requirement of the Blood Triad

[tranquil wren]

yea

can dash while omega is charged too

and yeah you can just basically spam blood triad over and over again

[desert verge]

will see, but now it seems like a BIG waste

[craggy totem]

777 damage in an area is pretty big

It's a waste to bother with it in, like, Erebus against a bunch of spinny blobs

But against tankier stuff...

[tranquil wren]

I still do it because the aoe is quite large still

maybe not optimal but it's so fun

morrigan also has my fastest 32F surface clear

[covert crane]

I can readily believe it's great in an ultra-high-fear context where you are severely crunched by the time limit, can't count on getting good boons early, and face large numbers of enemies with boosted HP.

In that context the fact that it has lots of AoE and a built-in option for a huge damage spike would be incredibly valuable.

On mid fear, though, I don't feel like I need anything it gives me and it asks me to think too hard about what I'm doing. Artemis and Pan both have simplifying QoL features which let me clear things more safely and straightforwardly. Baseline has raw damage which is lower but more straightforward.

[bitter stirrup]

Artemis and Pan both have terrible damage comparably (at base)

[tranquil wren]

mel's daggers is better than artemis and pan I feel like (disregarding trick knives)

also blood triad triggering is super simple. it's just special -> hold attack

doesn't ask too much

[harsh bluff]

hi all

i'm very new

like my hades is downloading

[tranquil wren]

hi very new

[harsh bluff]

hi very hellish

[tranquil wren]

no I'm all

[harsh bluff]

i heard hades 2 is a good game

i came from slay the spire

[harsh bluff]

hi all

[harsh bluff]

its looks very interesting for a roguelike for sure

[tranquil wren]

I've actually bought STS2 recently, very keen to play it

[harsh bluff]

its very fun tbh

[covert crane]

It just depends what you mean by "better," and what you're trying to do or whom you're trying to advise. I'll agree that Pan's damage is "bad" in the sense that when I'm in the groove of doing 24 fear runs, I notice Pan runs taking me longer than on some other aspects, and certain encounters feel bullet spongy.

But if someone came like the person from earlier saying, "help, I keep dying to chronos and prometheus, what's a helpful weapon to get my first clears," then I'd definitely say Pan has enough damage that you won't feel weak on F0 and it simplifies things enough that you'll probably be better able to stay alive and learn the boss's moves.

[harsh bluff]

you should play it lol, since you bought it

wow the slowmode here is quite high

[tranquil wren]

used to be 10s

[harsh bluff]

why is it so high

[tranquil wren]

no idea

[harsh bluff]

sts2 discord have like no slowmode at all now

[lean dove]

i think its fun

[harsh bluff]

i can't send images yet

[bitter stirrup]

Well yeah someone trying to get their first clears probably doesn't even have the hidden aspects

[harsh bluff]

i prolly can't at all here tho

[tranquil wren]

I don't see how any aspect is too complex for any player

maybe anubis? only if you've just got it

[desert verge]

this channel is no pictures i guess

[tranquil wren]

you can use something like imgur or by copying the image link

[harsh bluff]

as far as i know, all of them have no images

[tranquil wren]

(ie sending the image in a private discord or DM)

[harsh bluff]

this is some very tight rules

[tranquil wren]

#h2-victory-boasting has image perms for your end-game victory screenshots

[harsh bluff]

i guesss there is where i might ask for help,

jk i don't wanna get banned

yet

[nova oar]

Yeah but recommending an aspect like pan for a first clear is never going to happen

[desert verge]

for help u may want #h2-for-new-players

if u play h2

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah all other channels may have spoilers so beware

[harsh bluff]

nah i don't really care about spoilers

my attention is too deficient to notice

i go wherever the help is

[desert verge]

what help do u want/

[harsh bluff]

when my game gets downloaded lol

its still at 10 percent

[desert verge]

i dont think any of us can help you with that

[harsh bluff]

its not a question, i am saying, i will ask for help once my game gets downloaded

for now just chatting

[desert verge]

lol, why ask? start a game, play for 5-10 times to have a taste of it

[harsh bluff]

i got fomo

[desert verge]

what?

[harsh bluff]

or decision making struggles

[runic zodiac]

um is there a way to change the boss for fear bounty i aint beaying prometheus

[tranquil wren]

no

you can choose a different weapon, but the bounties don't change

[runic zodiac]

i dont understand this

[tranquil wren]

each aspect has its own bounty list

[harsh bluff]

what do you ugys think about hades 2 rn

[tranquil wren]

you cannot change any aspect's bounty list

[desert verge]

1st was better imo

[rose otter]

1st games story was peak

[nova oar]

No

[desert verge]

or i just become old, slow and stupid

[harsh bluff]

i heard second was better

that is why i bought second lol

[desert verge]

it wasnt peak, but it was good. And i like it more cus it was more personal story, not some world saving stuff

[harsh bluff]

maybe i should've asked

[cunning laurel]

far better gameplay in 2

[harsh bluff]

i see

[tranquil wren]

I liked both stories and yeah, the combat in 2 is just far more superior imo

[harsh bluff]

interesting

[cunning laurel]

lots like 1's story more but ive never heard of somebody liking 1's combat more

[harsh bluff]

it's also interesting that i can play h2 on mac

[desert verge]

me with athena dash and shield every run: "Best expirience ever"

[covert crane]

I'll second everyone else, that I like the gameplay much more in Hades 2, and the story more in Hades 1.

However, Hades 1 is written to make you like it. It's an extremely people-pleasing story, and it succeeds at being pleasing.

Hades 2 is trying to do something different -- it's intentionally frustrating and uncomfortable, as an artistic vision. I haven't made up my mind yet whether that "works" for me, but it's clearly not an accident.

[harsh bluff]

are there any good discords for h2 with image perms?

[covert crane]

(And I think it's also got so unintentional, not-artistic pain points)

[nova oar]

The speedrun discord yeah

But not nealry as active or new player friendly

[tranquil wren]

not really for new player questions though

[harsh bluff]

but like that won't be good for new player help or typical gameplay no?

[nova oar]

Just link the images it aint that hard

[harsh bluff]

rlly

i screen shot then...

copy it's link?

[desert verge]

all SGG games had very unusal ending so h1 with regular Happy End is more like exception

[tranquil wren]

post the image in a private discord and then copy its link, yeah

[harsh bluff]

alright

[tranquil wren]

keep in mind it's not the message link, but the image link

[covert crane]

Absolutely! Although there is a difference in vibes throughout, not just at the end, and if anything the side stories show the difference more than the main plot.

[harsh bluff]

for sure

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1481386530957426758/1500177768837681272/image.png?ex=69f77cec&is=69f62b6c&hm=32d6165b8025d99f0a1adbb606886b9cd9e2cb436b197d636025a4e04e695826&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2664&height=1486 slay the spire, just for example

[desert verge]

i didnt finish H2 yet(idk if there will be a lot of story after titles) but i dont like it at all

[harsh bluff]

alright

[covert crane]

Depends what you mean by "a lot." In terms of main plot, main characters, I don't think there's a large quantity of new events or interactions, but there are a couple that do significantly recontextualize some things. Also, because I played early access, I don't know how the side stories sync up with main plot progression in 1.0, so you may or may not have a bunch of leftover stuff to do with dora, arachne, icarus, etc.

[craggy totem]

Even Patch 2 added some stuff

But I would say the side stories aren't really forcibly linked to the progression of the main plot, so whether you got to them or not by the time you hit credits is pretty variable based on the player and the playthrough

[covert crane]

Hmm, let me rephrase. There are a lot of post-credits interactions relative to any non-supergiant game. But there's not a lot of post-credits plot. It's all pretty much denouement, reflection, and further expositon. Additional processing of what happened and explanation of how and why some things happened.

[desert verge]

nah i didnt like exactly main plot, all that ||turn bad guys into good guys||

[harsh bluff]

are all roguelike deckbuilders?

[prisma monolith]

hades isnt a deckbuilders

[desert verge]

what? this is different games with different genres that sometimes overlap

Nor Isaac, nor Hades, nor dead cells are deckbuilders while being pretty popular roguelikes

[prisma monolith]

not all deckbuilders are roguelike either yeah

[harsh bluff]

yea i just misunderstood

so it's basically like an rpg

[desert verge]

what?

[covert crane]

kind of an action rpg, yeah, like diablo or something

but with the randomized builds and frequent resets making it roguelike

[harsh bluff]

ahh make sense

ill try it and see how it feels lol

[covert crane]

I think this is kinda the way it had to go, given the previous game's setup, Supergiant's studio values, and a lot of what is built up early in Hades 2. The execution is just kinda off.

[desert verge]

it's just soooooo boring like a story for 5yo kids imo

[jolly hound]

It’s not as good as hades 1 but it’s a solid addition to the Greek cinematic universe

[prisma monolith]

i think is as good and even better than h1

[willow fog]

Fair enough take

I prefer the vibes in H1 tho

H2 sweeps gameplay

[prisma monolith]

i judge games based on gameplay, story is a bonus for me, on that aspect hades 2 is way better than 1

[willow fog]

Also ngl as rough as thessaly is its still better than elysium

[proud swift]

They should have imprisoned Chronos in Elysium he would never escape there.

[willow fog]

Woulda worked tbh

He'd have to get through theseus

[prisma monolith]

if chronos had to listen to theseus on repeat, he wouldve return to shadow now

[rotund lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464517887074107436/1500015323167064084/Screenshot_2026-05-02_000510.png?ex=69f78e61&is=69f63ce1&hm=bd4906669f8dfcd2c35d8b040a4c05acee31ba0f0a84cdb9115dc866a21c5162&

[desert verge]

wrong channel)

[rotund lintel]

my bad

[merry echo]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-monkey-wunkus-gaming-gif-1134879823933807087

Damn embed fail

[worthy pier]

Just to make sure it's not glitched; there's no trophy for getting the last gold statue in honour of doing the 24+32 vow runs?

[willow fog]

Console?

[worthy pier]

PlayStation 5, yes

But surely achievemetns/trophies are all the same?

[willow fog]

Quit out and reload game

For xbox achievements pop on the next startup, might be the case for you too

[worthy pier]

But should there even be an achievement/trophy for this? I'm trying to find it if so.

[proud swift]

The final statue does not give an achievement as the developers thought it would be too hard for the average player.

[prisma monolith]

No achievement, yes

[worthy pier]

Thank you for comfirming and yes it wss true pain. Why did I bother... 😅

[willow fog]

For the statue

[worthy pier]

Fair point

[willow fog]

Its really funny being able to purge chaos chambers

Thanks for the 550 gold bro

[proud swift]

Money 🤑

[willow fog]

Money instead of "Gain 50% cast damage but moving hurts you for the next 4 encounters"

[real belfry]

Would you guys be opposed to a paid expansion?

[graceful sundial]

a few days ago I asked this and just answering myself in case anyone's wondering the same: yeah it counts towards the achievement. just got it. and it seems like nemesis appears far more often in ||dream dives||? but it might be just an impression.

[proud swift]

I myself would love to see more content for this game, but I don't really feel like the story for Hades 2 has anywhere left to go and I doubt supergiant would want to add dlc in the first place.

[past violet]

They could do a spinoff story.

Either that or bring in a new villain, but that plot would be hard to do

A good example is one of my favorites, Xenoblade 3

[flat maple]

Just finished the game ✌🏻

Now the after story things

[graceful sundial]

I would kill for a multiplayer update/expansion

[real belfry]

Would be cool but seems like the devs are vehemently against it. Understandably so given their small size.

[flat maple]

Will be cool but seems like its hard to do for the devs and i do not think they think abt it or even try for it

[craggy totem]

I also don't think it's really necessary to the type of game and story it is, nor enhance its core goals.

They did put local multiplayer into Pyre as a non-campaign thing and I did think it made sense in that context.

[willow fog]

Im ngl i thought wounds added a flat +50 power to all attacks for 3 seconds

And even that seemed mid

Then I understood what it actually did lmao

And understood the devs hated ares

[tranquil wren]

ares is good actually

[exotic notch]

Does the amount of missing death defies affect being offered Survive, Survive, Survive? I am running builds I don't like over and over again trying to finally get this boon offered and just am not seeing it and its driving me nuts

[willow fog]

How? I ramp the plasma for swing speed axe but thats it

[reef sail]

I don’t think there’s even a mechanic like that in the game

[tranquil wren]

grievous blow helps a lot for ares, it's basically a 100% pick

[reef sail]

You’re just eligible or not eligible

Grievous is cracked yeah

And he even has another double damage boon 😭

[crude dragon]

Grievous Blow and the new-and-improved Profuse Bleeding

Also Heinous Affront memes

[tranquil wren]

his duo boons are so fun too
hostile environment works very well with charon
heinous affront is great with light smite
coffin nail
fourth degree
etc

[mortal warren]

just sold such a good run on cerberus 🥲

[reef sail]

Hmm

[mortal warren]

got heroic hestia cast as my first boon

[reef sail]

Howling soul Circe sounds maybe painful

But maybe not, let’s find out

[willow fog]

Did you complete a run yet?

[mortal warren]

nope

i’ve made it to chronos once but went in with like 12hp and died

[crude dragon]

Well, don't do that in the future 👍

[mortal warren]

which is kinda embarrassing i haven’t yet considering i have 10 hours LOL

but i’ve been making tons of progress on incants and grasp and whatever else so

[crude dragon]

Did you play the first game?

[mortal warren]

no

well i tried it like twice but, never even got past the first room

[willow fog]

So, sometimes people spoil things here just fyi

[mortal warren]

yeah idc about spoilers

[willow fog]

U tried dashing into cerberus?

[mortal warren]

i don’t play to find things on my own LOL i just love rogue style games

well the first time i did cerberus i beat him first try without ever having seen him before, i think i just got cocky this time around cuz my build was feeling good and played too close when he slammed

[willow fog]

Dashing into him is so much easier than dashing away to dodge

[mortal warren]

noted though

[willow fog]

Fair enough, those slams have deceptive range

[mortal warren]

they really do

i just got aspects though which has felt really nice

[reef sail]

Early on i honestly think it’s better to focus on discovering stuff and filling out prophecies

[mortal warren]

i was under the assumption that to ||go to the surface you had to beat the underworld first and it wasn’t just an incantation||

which really delayed my progress LOL

[halcyon rain]

nope but you need to finish both routes a number of times to get to the ending

[reef sail]

Once you start clearing reliably you’ll want to skip boons and such that don’t work for you, and that will cut into your discovery efforts

So get all that out of the way before you worry imo

[willow fog]

Btw hold onto some nectar

[mortal warren]

yeah i have been focusing on prophecies

[willow fog]

You rly want nectar for the other run

[halcyon rain]

honestly yeah just play based on vibes and discover things its one of the most fun parts, then later you start to go deepder and pushing fear and getting better at the game

[mortal warren]

i’ve seen people on youtube though get boons from gods i haven’t seen yet, how is that

[reef sail]

You def want to spread nectar around early on yeah, at least 2 to everyone bc that’s how you unlock more prophecies (3 to chaos)

[willow fog]

Theyre progress gated

[mortal warren]

oh okay didn’t know nectar unlocked prophecies

[willow fog]

Im ngl I had no clue it was 2 for prophecy

[mortal warren]

i’ve just been giving one to everybody for keepsake

[halcyon rain]

hades is a roguelike with a lot of things gated behind story progress since story is a huge part of the game

[willow fog]

I gave every olympian 1 just as tradition in Hades 1

[mortal warren]

oh i see

[reef sail]

Most people who offer you boons/rewards have a prophecy for accepting every reward at least once

[willow fog]

Talk to Moros btw

[reef sail]

And that prophecy is unlocked by giving them a second nectar (and third, for chaos)

[mortal warren]

yeah i’ve seen that for a couple of my gods

[willow fog]

Trust me, hes kind of a progress gate for the other route

[mortal warren]

yeah i’ve got him in the crossroads and such

[willow fog]

Another dude just didnt bother get Moros so he had to do like 4 runs just to get the incant needed

[mortal warren]

rn i’m just kinda focusing on doing prophecies and getting my grasp to 30

[willow fog]

It gets easier later tbh

[mortal warren]

just got my first aspect fully maxed which feels really nice

[willow fog]

Id spread the love

You get familiars who help you farm specific item types

[halcyon rain]

oh yeah please confide to frinos when you die

[willow fog]

Also always have 2 nectars on hand

And check the concoction pot before gifting

[mortal warren]

i did enough for the prophecy but haven’t since

should i still be?

[willow fog]

Yes lol

[halcyon rain]

oh okay

[mortal warren]

i’ve noticed it gives hints and stuff but

[willow fog]

Thats a small thing to miss tbf

[halcyon rain]

i honestly don't know if you need to keep confiding to unlock familiars

[willow fog]

Versus deadass skipping Moros

I forgot too, but I know you need all 5 to upgrade them

[halcyon rain]

just... talk to everyone when you die and enjoy the narrative its really one of the best things

[willow fog]

The fextra wiki said 4 so lmao

[halcyon rain]

and you also unlock things this way

[mortal warren]

what is a familiar

[willow fog]

a pokemon

That buffs your stats

[mortal warren]

i have REALLY liked the narrative, how it adapts to your gameplay and what you’re actually doing and stuff

[willow fog]

Froggo gives hp so hes very clutch for early euns

[halcyon rain]

yep its really cool 🙂

[willow fog]

What I found cool in the duology is that failing your first run at the final boss gives you a flashback as a buffer

[halcyon rain]

theyre pets, there's 5, the first one you get is frinos then you unlock the others later

[willow fog]

Nice way to cool the player off and keep them attentive to the plot

[mortal warren]

oh i see

[willow fog]

And please, unlock them as soon as you can, they spawn in different areas and dont do it all the time

You want at least 5 biscuits

[halcyon rain]

at least once per week someone comes here asking where is raki

[willow fog]

Lmao

For me i was struggling to find hecuba

[mortal warren]

idk what a biscuit is LOL

[willow fog]

Its a cookie

Baked good with sugar

[eager gust]

i just no hit rivals eris

im so locked in

[mortal warren]

what abt keepsakes? i’ve just been using hestias cuz i like playing w scorched

[crude dragon]

Yeah, that'd explain why you're having such a rough time with the second one. Most of the people here who are knocking out their first wins within a few hours of starting had knowledge transfer over from the first game

[willow fog]

The hardest part of the eris fight is her last 50hp lol

[willow fog]

"Where divine dash?"

[halcyon rain]

yeah just go with you like, its cool to upgrade all of them

but later you get an incantation that makes you upgrade them twice as fast so you can catch up with the ones you used less later

[mortal warren]

yeah once i’m comfortable w beating the whole game is when i planned to level everything

just go one by one and knock it all out

[willow fog]

The good thing about hades 2 is the worst area in the series is in hades 1

Elysium my behated

[halcyon rain]

god keepsakes are a good idea for starting yeah, which one to use really depends on the weapon but youre still in the part of the game where its good to experiment

[mortal warren]

yeah i come from a large souls background so im really loving this game, just a bit different than what im used to in terms of dodging and stuff

[mortal warren]

ive been swapping between the daggers (i call them the daggers idk what they really are) and the starting weapon

[halcyon rain]

i dont see how you didn't like the first one, maybe you can go back after beating h2, its a different game in a lot of aspects but still really good

[mortal warren]

and i’ve tried the axe a couple times

[halcyon rain]

all i'm gonna say is eventually unlock all aspects and upgrade at least one of them to level max and that || allows you to unlock a hidden aspect of each weapon ||

[mortal warren]

tbh i just didn’t take the time to sit down and see what it was i was a lot younger back then

same with hades 2 actually, ive owned it on my switch 2 since it released but played it maybe 3 times until like two days ago LOL

but now that i’ve given it a fair chance i really love it

[halcyon rain]

upgrade one to level max that isn't a mel aspect*

[mortal warren]

yeah rn the only aspect i’ve leveled is the first one on the starting weapon, got it to max for the prophecy

and it seemed useful

[strong rapids]

thats a strong aspect to level

[crude dragon]

Most people call them the knives and the staff respectively

[eager gust]

time to choose my 32 heat setup

i currently have time 3, frenzy 2, menace 2, shadow, fangs 1, and rivals 2

[crude dragon]

You'd get 7 more Fear if you go up to Rivals 4

[eager gust]

idk if i can handle rivals chronos but i might as well give it a shot

[halcyon rain]

👀

you can handle at least rivals cerb

[eager gust]

that i can handle

[crude dragon]

Well, you already saw the third phase when you rolled credits

Surely the first and second won't be too much harder :3c

[real scarab]

You really don't need to turn on rivals 4 for 32f

If your sole goal is to beat 32f at this point there are easier vows

[eager gust]

tbf i was so close on my first try

[graceful sundial]

Hi, I have noticed what I think is a translation error in hades 2 because in french Melinoe say almost exactly the same line two times in a row during a dialogue with ||Icarus||. Is there a way to send this to supergiant game so they can fix it (if it's really a mistake) ?

[glass cloud]

how do I date scylla?

[prisma monolith]

you dont

[sterile rose]

The grind for the epilogue is such a drag ngl

I rolled credits at 45 hours and I’m sitting at 67 hours now just ||filling out prophecies and basically waiting for RNG to trigger Moros dialogue||

[desert verge]

try f10

[graceful sundial]

ty ❤️ , hope they fix it

[bitter stirrup]

I really only think the epilogue is worth it to "grind" for if you plan to keep playing the game after

[reef sail]

If I clear scorch with freezer burn, does my next application benefit from highly flammable?

Please say yes 🙏

[sterile rose]

I’d like to keep playing and slowly work my way up to 32f+ (right now my highest is like 10f) but the completionist in me wants to get to the dang epilogue now grrrrgh

[reef sail]

It’s not going anywhere

[eager gust]

is there not a trophy for getting the third skelly statue?

[reef sail]

Nope

[eager gust]

damn that sucks

i wasnt doing it in hopes for a trophy but still

[reef sail]

I’m sure the more casual players disagree 😂

[eager gust]

i feel like games should have hard trophys

32f was actually really fun

i will def have to change my setup for surface tho

[sterile rose]

Is there any use for ||nightmare|| besides ||upgrading weapons||

[reef sail]

Surface rivals 2 is considered much easier than UW rivals 2, if that helps

[reef sail]

Yes

[eager gust]

what about 4?

3 rlly sucks on surface

[sterile rose]

Rivals 3 on both routes has been killing me

[reef sail]

Yeah 3 is the bad surface one

[sterile rose]

But surface is a fun fight ngl

[reef sail]

I’ve only done 1 on both sides so idk too much detail

Just what I hear repeated often

[sterile rose]

Rivals 3 UW I have no idea how to fight

But I’m sure I’ll get there

[reef sail]

If your goal is to push heat you definitely want to take other things like frenzy2 before you bother to learn slow timings for rivals

Because you’ll just have to learn them again for frenzy

[reef sail]

Apparently first time means first time ever, per enemy. Blergh

[eager gust]

for my 32f i ran rivals 4, frenzy 2, time 3, shadows, fangs 1, menace 2, and scars 1

[reef sail]

Certainly an oath of all time

[eager gust]

tbf wasn’t too bad

only struggle point was chronos

i got lucky and had the hades cast boon so i could stick it to chronos

that final phase i got so lucky, i had no idea what was going on tbh

[reef sail]

That’s how I felt during the credits fight

[eager gust]

337 health was helpful

and 3 death defiances

never been so thankful for sea star

[shadow spruce]

fully upgraded mel axe is actually bearable to use

[bitter stirrup]

Howling Soul defenders rise up 🐺 🗣️

[halcyon rain]

✋

[reef sail]

Turns out Howling Soul Gale Circe is not something I’m very good at

Died to prom rip

[honest venture]

Aspect of Circe with Demeter/Ares boons are so nutty.

I did 112k damage with my casts alone that run.

[jolly hound]

Howling soul in general is ass

[reef sail]

Yeah when I got it at the start of the run I was not expecting it to go well

[glass cloud]

wait so I can't date scylla? 🥺

[reef sail]

That’s what the person who responded to you saying “no” meant, correct

[craggy totem]

Both of them are in too much vow of denial to actually date tbh

Scylla practically verbatim does the whole "b-baka! it's not like I like you!" thing

[reef sail]

Just had Athena show up after I killed everything in the room

No huge spawn like normal lol

And then I artificered some bones into a trick knives hammer

[timid hatch]

It's funny because Scylla is basically Melinoe's own personal stalker fan, but gets to play it off like Mel is because she "just happens" to be where Mel has to pass through every time she goes through the underworld.

Too bad Roxy and Jetty don't get lines, I wonder what they think about the whole thing. Could have had dynamic similar to how (H1 spoilers) ||Asterius tolerates Theseus' nonsense.||

[glass cloud]

i really like enemies to lovers so I already ship scylla and melinoë

[crude dragon]

Half her discography is dedicated to it

[reef sail]

We noticed

[jolly hound]

ngl I usually just reset and if my first boon is absolutely cracked I’ll take Athena in the third zone to get rid of it lol

[reef sail]

Dunno what that means

Does your Athena boon overwrite your hades boon?

[timid hatch]

Gorgon Eye (and all Olympian keepsakes which relate to boons, iirc) disables Fate's Whim and cuts out the Hades boon granted by JPom

[reef sail]

Oohhh right

6 shadow is so much sheesh

[livid halo]

Alrighty, I rolled the credits, didn't wake up sleepyhead yet, what other content do I need to see to effectively see the whole game?

[craggy totem]

Epilogue. And follow up any stray plot threads or character-specific relationships you haven't yet.

[livid halo]

Sounds good. I haven't followed any char relationship to completion, and I'm missing 3 keepsakes (I assume from three specific people involved with the scenes before the credits roll. Might have to crack open a guide to make sure I got all the plots

Is that basically it?

[craggy totem]

Yeah, if you max all your bonds and keep an eye on any plotty-sounding things in the Prophecies list you're probably set on all the non-main-campaign stories

[livid halo]

Yeah there's a few big ol' hearts next to some prophecies which I assume are plots, cool. Thanks 😄

[hushed cloak]

I like coming into this chat and just stating aspects of this game that I like

On that note, I really like how that changed the heat/fear system and how you interact with titans blood/nightmare

[willow fog]

Indeed

H1 item farming was painfully

[hushed cloak]

It feels like I'm ramping up fear much faster than I'm gaining nightmare, which feels like it should be a bad thing but it doesn't feel like it

[willow fog]

Hades 1 has much less balanced heat

[hushed cloak]

I still consistent nightmare drops from charon rewards and the cthonic broker

[hushed cloak]

Oh, how so?

[hidden stream]

is it possible to clear run history? similar to https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources/hshp9 (couldn't find similar save file for h2)

[willow fog]

Its more on how they overlapped

On paper H1 actually has similar pact challenges to H2

400% trap damage that applied to a lotta things, no iframes on hit, and the enemy hp scaling so much your timer was an actual problem

Also Mel just has access to better resources

[willow fog]

Theres a reason why the first full heat clear had to run a shield

[hushed cloak]

The only shield that could block and attack at the same time iirc

Scary...

[willow fog]

Its cuz you needed to do damage without having to dodge

The other wep with a clear is actually the chiron bow, but I have no clue why

[hushed cloak]

Lmao

Maybe just a really dedicated player

[willow fog]

Meanwhile in H2 btw

I think there are only 4 aspects without a full fear clear

[hushed cloak]

Remember seeing someone say all aspects were full fear cleared

[craggy totem]

Nah

All aspects have been 62'd I think

(That's max Fear minus Void)