h2-discussion

[prisma monolith]

The wind up is around the same as the axe, plus it blocks most things from the front

[willow fog]

It blocks? The omega strike?

[prisma monolith]

While is charging

[willow fog]

Is it block on windup or block on hit

Ahhh, hm

[prisma monolith]

You cant just judge a weapon from using it on skelly lmao

You need hammers, boons

[willow fog]

Tbf I tried every other wep with a run first, even the weird stuff

Coat just baffled tf outta me

[prisma monolith]

Mel coat is probably my fav weapon next to torches

[willow fog]

I love torches

Do you feel the mel coat speed?

[prisma monolith]

I remember when they added it " A FREAKIN EXOSUIT???"

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[willow fog]

I saw an armored core mechsuit lmao

[strong rapids]

coat was my favorite weapon for a time after i first unlocked it, poseidon special spam was the strongest i had felt up to that point

[willow fog]

Ok, interactions wise

The triple dash strike does strike damage riders per hit right? For a total of 3

[prisma monolith]

15x3 by default iirc

[willow fog]

Do each of them get individual damage riders for strikes

[strong rapids]

what is a damage rider

like static shock/poseidon splash?

[willow fog]

Yeah

Cuz some boons either scale the damage buff or provide a flat damage value per instance/strike

I think multi hitting attacks apply the individual flat damage per strike, which makes the coat triple hit dash interesting

[strong rapids]

many of them have cooldowns, i dont know the exact cooldowns for each on-hit effect but i think for most of them you wont be getting all 3 hits. except scorch, that has no cooldown

[halcyon rain]

yep

poseidon/hestia goes well with coat

[ionic sedge]

Bruh I just got Divine Dash for the first time from Athena and she said "Your brother's favorite" LMAOOOO

[willow fog]

Thanks, do poseidon and hestia have any synergy or should I just pick a favorite

[bitter stirrup]

Their duo is ok and they both work on both attack and special but Hera/Zeus is better on special imo

[shadow spruce]

what’s the correct way to use the aspect of circe? right when i got it just felt so bad to me. i must be using it wrong

[willow fog]

Is that the staff?

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[shadow spruce]

yes

[willow fog]

Its overpowered

[shadow spruce]

i got a skill issue then

[willow fog]

The trick isnt the leash, its the double cast

[prisma monolith]

Spam omega cast

[shadow spruce]

ohhh

[willow fog]

The cast doubles up, and literally every cast in the game stacks with itself but ares

[prisma monolith]

Yeah the link is whatever, the omega cast is where is at

[willow fog]

So you can get double zeus boon nukes

[shadow spruce]

damn okay so i WAS using it wrong

[willow fog]

If you care about familiars, use the cat

[prisma monolith]

I prefer raki

[willow fog]

You can coax her to get a doublecast on a specific target more consistently

Raki works too, I think the cat is better for bosses tho

Sprint by and doublecast on top of the boss

[prisma monolith]

Toula requires babysitting, I hate that

[willow fog]

Whats raki do again btw

Toula needs babysitting but her damage is actually rly solid for a freebie

[prisma monolith]

Juat pecks at enemies making them

[willow fog]

Its 1k at max upgrade

[prisma monolith]

Yeah toula dmg is nice but I hate needing to wake her up

[willow fog]

Raki makes them blind or smtn right

[prisma monolith]

No it marks them

[willow fog]

For more damage or less damage taken?

Ive been running frinos cuz I like hp

[prisma monolith]

Marked is a curse, makes them have a 30% chance to be crit

Its artemis curse

[willow fog]

Oh thats actually crazy

30% proc chance is massive uptime

[prisma monolith]

On top of raki just giving you like a 3 or 4% global crit chance

Which im a big fan

[wise wave]

Is this curse counted for origination?

[whole remnant]

no

[willow fog]

What is greater sowing of gaia? Does it turn 1 plant seed into 6 or just plant all of them

[prisma monolith]

plant all of them

[willow fog]

Oh, thanks

[short jay]

||Why does zag hit so hard- he hits harder then typhon||

HE DEALS 50 DAMAGE!

DUDE

[prisma monolith]

hes got gigaros, the weapon we used to kill typhon and planned to kill chronos

[short jay]

Still- dude your an optional boss why do you hit even harder then charon

And he usually appears in the first region

[nova oar]

Spoilers btw

[nova oar]

He can appear as late as olympus, he's balanced for all regions

[short jay]

Oh- well for me he appears in the first region, usually in charon's optional first shop

[nova oar]

40% chance to appear in any midshop

[short jay]

Damn

[nova oar]

Except fields

[halcyon rain]

beating him early means you get more rewards but its harder so

[jolly wing]

Finally, on Night 20 I finally have access to 5th and 6th soil plots.

[torn wind]

Still need to spoiler mark that

[shadow spruce]

also on night 20 and i’m still on 2

😭

[shadow spruce]

put a spoiler bruh

[willow fog]

We're in spoiler chat tbh

Wait till he finds out about the nyxblings quintuplet gank

[nova oar]

that stuff is supposed to be spoilered

[willow fog]

I thought all spoilers were fair game here

[nova oar]

builds and combat is spoilers

[willow fog]

Ahhh, got it

[nova oar]

nope, pre v1.0 only (so post ending)

[willow fog]

Ohhh, got it

Im not the one who spoiled em btw

[prisma monolith]

is he not the exact same fight regardless of where he appears? just like charon

[nova oar]

That's what I meant, he is balanced like that because he appears in multiple places

[prisma monolith]

more like he isnt balanced

hes static

balanced would mean if you fight him floor 1 hed be weaker

[nova oar]

He's balanced to be static in all the regions he appears in

You're talking about scaling

[prisma monolith]

yes

both go together

youre stronger in zone 3, meaning the fight is easier

[halcyon rain]

but you get like, 2 rewards max from endshops so he's balanced in that way

[prisma monolith]

im talking about the fight itself

not the rewards

[halcyon rain]

i know just saying that i think they intentionally balanced him this way

[brittle widget]

Beating ||zagreus|| is one of the few things I miss for the platinum. Which weapon do you suggest since he spawns always in the first region?

[prisma monolith]

he doesnt always spawn in the first region

is rng

[brittle widget]

Then bad luck after all these hours lol

[prisma monolith]

if you do surface he CANT be first region

[brittle widget]

What do you mean? Never seen him in surface

[prisma monolith]

he can be second ot third zone

[nova oar]

Except fields

[prisma monolith]

talking about surface yeah

ephyra has no midshop so

[brittle widget]

What if I skip in first region? Will I get other chances in the next regions?

[prisma monolith]

when it appears that it

[jolly wing]

You gotta plant more

What’s more important?

Unlocking Divinity earlier and more Fate rerolls

Or Nectar recipe

[nova oar]

Rerolls

[half harbor]

Fellow hades enthusiasts i need some help. Ive downloaded hades 2 even though ive barely scratched the surface of hades 1. Would playing hades 2 ruin the experience or nah

[nova oar]

Finish h1 first

[final atlas]

Definitely finish H1 first if you care at all about the plot.

[fathom tartan]

Totally H1

Plot Of h2 hits harder

[desert verge]

imo it is the other way around. Hades 2 plays a little different and when you get used to 1st part controls, tempo and stuff it can be difficult to switch. However if ypu plan to play both games(which i strongly advise and support) there is no much sense to do 2nd before 1st, at least for story, cus story is one of the strongest part in this games(with music and characters)

[blissful fog]

yo i finally beat typhon for the first time

had an insane run tho with like 3 legendaries

[half harbor]

That makes sense, especially since h1 is the first game I’ve paid attention to its lore

[half harbor]

[desert verge]

so focus on 1st part then, and good luck. As a kid i loved greek myths and when people who made Transistor also start to make game about that i felt like stars alligned and my wishes came true. And even if they changed some parts of myths, gods and characters - they still mad awesome game, worth playing every 400 hours i spent

[nova oar]

Stay in the new players channel if you want to avoid spoilers

[half harbor]

Ill take my time, thanks for the info

[half harbor]

Didnt know there was a chat for that, thank you

[blissful fog]

ur name is so valid

i hate selene coat too

[nova oar]

Wait until you meet the number 1 hater

[desert verge]

what is wrong with that

[nova oar]

Bad aspect

[desert verge]

wait it is aspect name

[nova oar]

Yes

[desert verge]

i thought you were speaking about her clothes

[nova oar]

Nooooo lmao

her character design is good

[halcyon rain]

🤝

[desert verge]

I want to hear your opinion on 1 trinket - vial that upgrades your boon. As i understand it works only with no rarity boon. Do you think it will be better if it was given to lowest rarity boon?

[blissful fog]

yeah thats actually a very good point

[nova oar]

It would make it better than a D tier keepsake forsure

[desert verge]

there is no suggestion channel this time or it was closed?

[lean dove]

Fated Glory is so beautiful 😭

[nova oar]

Devs are done with the game

[elfin heron]

the phial is fine, it lets you upgrade a common boon to heroic, which is the fun kind of gambling

I see Boated take it almost every run

[nova oar]

Boated is good enough to win with sub par strats

[elfin heron]

watched him beat rivals Typhon last night, with antler on a strength run without armor or snow queen, how the f...

everyone was sure he would wipe on the babality phase, but nope, still survived

[prisma monolith]

problem it only works on commons

[elfin heron]

that is not a problem at all

[whole remnant]

wrong channel

[prisma monolith]

if you have no common boons then keepsake has no effect, it could be nice if it targeted your lowest rarity boon

just a thought

[elfin heron]

yeah if you have no common boons you won't take it, but if you like got a common rarity storm ring you can just take the phial after the boss and have the best cast boon in the game
if it worked on everything then I wouldn't take it because that would be too random

[whole remnant]

Frei just cleared 67 fear with Anubis

couple days ago

first time

[halcyon rain]

phial is 🐐

[prisma monolith]

not everything, your lowest rarity boon, theres a difference, itd still be random

would it be too strong?

[whole remnant]

only than, supay, and charon have not been cleared at 67 fear. frei was trying supay and almost made it to tartarus. craziest high fear player

and raj

Boated is solid but not doing like 67 surface/dream dives like some of these insane ppl lol

[whole remnant]

idk itd be better but there would still be better keepsakes

when we ask would something be too strong i say JPom

[blissful fog]

post game hm

how do i even get there?

[split shuttle]

yo spoiler that stuff

[desert verge]

dude in 1 message you say it will be too random and in another you speak about fun gambling with vial, pick a side)))

[blissful fog]

😭

[whole remnant]

deleted it didn't know post credits is considered spoiler since the game is so old now

[desert verge]

just beat rival sirens 1st try. fight was so intense, couldnt even enjoy their new song((

[blissful fog]

bru

tbh, i had a ton of fun on my most recent run

[elfin heron]

yeah this game is like ancient, pretty much a retro game

[whole remnant]

well 1.0 was quite a while ago. not like gamecube old

[blissful fog]

how do u even get the credits to roll?

[prisma monolith]

win a bunch of times

[whole remnant]

i just am used to reddit subs usually spoiler rules decay after a certain amount of time and 1.0 dropped a while ago

like the new content from the PS/Xbox that i could see being spoiler still

[desert verge]

you need to find a way to defeat Chronos once and for all and 2nd you need to do it

[blissful fog]

oh yeah thats why i need the zodiac sands

[elfin heron]

the game came out 6 months ago, not everyone plays everything immediately on release and then never again, respect other people

[blissful fog]

i think i only need 2 or 3 more (and then the mystery ingredient)

[desert verge]

last one is the hardest tbh

[willow fog]

Stardust is rough to get

[elfin heron]

there's a chaos trial for every weapon aspect, should be enough unless you're burning it on nectars

[willow fog]

Exactly it tbh

Is there an easier way to farm nectar

[blissful fog]

why?

[desert verge]

you'll see

[willow fog]

Im using the usual poseidon gatcha for it but the yields arent great

[elfin heron]

buy 1 before every run, pick up 2-3 more per run, that's enough

[willow fog]

Any way to farm stardust?

[elfin heron]

it is limited, you can't farm it

[willow fog]

Thats rough

[elfin heron]

if you burn it all on nectars then you'll be in trouble when it comes to familiars and decorations

[willow fog]

Got it, thankss

[desert verge]

it's roguelike after all

[prisma monolith]

you can craft it in the cauldron cant you?

[whole remnant]

i deleted the comment. i was just explaining why i didn't think those keepsakes would be spoilers

[willow fog]

Yeah but it costs stardust

Thats not a cheap resource, tbh a lot of transmutations in this game have bad yields

[prisma monolith]

oh you can buy it in the broker for 1.5

[willow fog]

You're better off buying moondust than using gold tickets or alchemy, for example

[elfin heron]

stardust can only be acquired from chaos trials, bought from the shop (1500 bones) and rarely found in region 4 at 12+ fear

[prisma monolith]

yeah

[willow fog]

Thats painful lmao

[prisma monolith]

as someone who only uses the grave thirst, bones come in abundance my way

[willow fog]

They do but 1.5k is a few runs worth

[elfin heron]

the stardust meta is bake it into treats until you have all familiars maxed out, then maybe spend a few to brew ambrosia then spend the remaining on decorations (I think the best cauldron needs 5 stardust + you need some for lamps and other stuff maybe)

[willow fog]

Got it, what abt the ones that upgrade into items?

[elfin heron]

?

[willow fog]

I dont know lol

The question made sense in my head

[prisma monolith]

idk what you meant

[elfin heron]

I don't get it

[willow fog]

Neither do I tbh

[prisma monolith]

fantastic

[willow fog]

A thought passed through my ears

[elfin heron]

lmao

[willow fog]

Why max familiars btw

[prisma monolith]

better stats

[elfin heron]

you unlock familiar skins

if you max out all of them

[willow fog]

Ohh, got it

Also do we always have like no seeds

[elfin heron]

e.g. you can make the dog look like Cerberus which is pretty sick

[prisma monolith]

frinos gets more hp, toula revive ehals more, etc

[willow fog]

Toula revive is pretty sad tbh, even with upgrades

[blissful fog]

just did 1100 damage in one hit in the first underworld region 😭

[prisma monolith]

theres a mod that turns hecuba into literal cerb 😭

[willow fog]

Is the river fording thing good

[prisma monolith]

the what

[crude dragon]

The fishing pier unlock

[willow fog]

Crossroad pier

[prisma monolith]

its a a story unlock

[crude dragon]

It's a date spot like the hot springs

[prisma monolith]

you can bond with characters

[willow fog]

Huh

Is it mandatory for some?

[crude dragon]

And you can catch a fish

[prisma monolith]

if you want to further their relationships, yes

[willow fog]

Oh, its locked like the ambrosia or bath

[prisma monolith]

yeah

[crude dragon]

So the lures sometimes pay for themselves if you get the high roll for the fish caught

[willow fog]

So should i get the upgrades for the ash/nectar thing?

Gives them minor buffs

[prisma monolith]

you should get everythign

[willow fog]

But do i get those before familiar buffs?

[prisma monolith]

id say max one familiar, the one you use the most, then get those, then back to familiar

[willow fog]

Why max one first?

[prisma monolith]

cause you use it?

[blissful fog]

ok im not ready to play rivals yet 😭

[willow fog]

Oh, i thought there was another thing

Its cuz some of the buffs are utility that arent even that good

[prisma monolith]

all familiar got run buffs

even hecuba is good for mana

[willow fog]

I mean the ones that provide % chance of more of a farming encounter

[prisma monolith]

they got a raw power, and also increase the chances are gathering stuff

[prisma monolith]

all of them do that

[willow fog]

Btw what is ash and psyche used for once stuff caps

[prisma monolith]

they also have an effect for the run, aside from the farming

[willow fog]

From the upgrads?

[prisma monolith]

no, they have it base

the upgrade makes it better

[crude dragon]

There's some stuff that requires Shadow that you don't have access to yet

I believe the hidden torches need some, as does rank 3 Judgement

[void needle]

Whats your favorite siren song

[prisma monolith]

bewitching eyes

[void needle]

Goated right answer

[blissful fog]

for some reason i forgot to deactivate rivals

[halcyon rain]

rock and a hard place

[prisma monolith]

honestly theres no wrong answer, they are all fire

[merry whale]

the wrong answer is bewitching eyes

[prisma monolith]

its on sight hope you know

[blissful fog]

lol

[buoyant matrix]

YOU'RE the wrong answer. huh? how about that?

[merry whale]

damn can't argue with that

[nova oar]

Right answer is that they all suck

[lavish nebula]

Clam out your eyes

[proud swift]

It's not so shrimple, in fact its very clamplicated.

[merry whale]

me when music volume gets put on mute whenever i enter oceanus

[desert verge]

what are you, arguing about songs? there is no winner in that. Unless you are Bieber fan

[lavish nebula]

Yeah, smells pretty fishy

[split shuttle]

only you buddy

[desert verge]

wow, didnt know you can have 3 hammers normally

[prisma monolith]

you can have like 5

via methods

[desert verge]

methods?

[willow fog]

Weird stuff

Iirc like hammers modify strike, heavy, and the variant omegas

I think the skull has a unique one that just gives it 2 more ammo

That might be the 5

[crude dragon]

Methods like lining up your Fields of Mourning rewards so Echo will give you a hammer from Reward Reward Reward, then taking an anvil in the Tartarus shop

[willow fog]

Hey dude, turns out ||typhon|| wasnt so bad

Chin music fight

[crude dragon]

No, they mean "having 5 active hammer buffs in the same run"

[willow fog]

Ohhh, right

His final phase was just a rythmn game

[desert verge]

it would be 4

[crude dragon]

5 with Experimental Hammer

[desert verge]

i had luck with arcana upgrading reward

so it even can be 6

probably

[crude dragon]

Oh, right, that's another way to get an extra hammer

[willow fog]

What are the slots anyhow

[halcyon rain]

there's no slots for hammers

[crude dragon]

Hammers don't operate like Boons do

[willow fog]

I mean what slots are used fot hammers

[desert verge]

but some upgrades can deny others? or in 2nd game is not a case?

[willow fog]

Like strike slot is used

Then other strike hammers would overwrite it

[halcyon rain]

there's no such thing

[desert verge]

hammer just takes slot like any other extra boon

[willow fog]

I dont think we're understanding each other

[halcyon rain]

you can have 2 hammers that impove your special

[willow fog]

Hm

[crude dragon]

I don't think there are any mutually-exclusive hammers in this game, just ones that don't work on certain aspects, or are exclusive to the hidden aspects

[willow fog]

Ohh, got it

[bitter stirrup]

Fetching and Volatile Array is the only one I think

[desert verge]

you can literally press b in game and see it sitting in your list

[willow fog]

In h1 some hammers did overwrite each other

[desert verge]

not rly

[willow fog]

Also random aside its really sad how mel axe doesnt boost heavy attack power

Its only on strikes

[desert verge]

some hammer upgrade could stop another upgrade for appearing

[crude dragon]

They wouldn't overwrite each other, but they would exclude other hammers

[desert verge]

iirc

[willow fog]

Ohh, got it

So that means the final axe swing one is just

You're stuck with it now lol

[desert verge]

yeah uless you find anvil and be lucky

[halcyon rain]

do you mean omega attack?

[willow fog]

The special attack

[crude dragon]

Like how on the fists in the first game, you couldn't get the drop-kick hammer on Talos and Gilgamesh, and also couldn't get it if you took one of the other hammers

[halcyon rain]

cause yeah it doesnt, but still works on the last attack of the sequence

[willow fog]

It doesnt seem to benefit from the power buff

[desert verge]

i think he means that one that changes axe combo to last hit

[halcyon rain]

ah yeah its just attack

[willow fog]

I really think it should, that aspect does one thing and cant even do it to the whole weapon

[crude dragon]

I mean, Mel Axe isn't the spin to win Aspect

Than is

[willow fog]

And yes, its 300% damage buff but only final attack of combo is used

[crude dragon]

It's not 300% damage, it's +300 base damage

[willow fog]

Its horrendous, its the only wep I used that legit scuttled my run

[desert verge]

it is ok

i dont see it is that bad

[willow fog]

Itll get you killed

[halcyon rain]

i don't think mel axe should increase power of special
same way mel staff shouldn't increase power of the attack

[willow fog]

The animation is slow, but tbh its the inconsistency

[crude dragon]

Anyways, fun fact! Than Axe can safely run Hell Splitter if you get a second source of attack speed increase

[crude dragon]

He means the OAttack

[desert verge]

axe is slow it is his thing. go hunt some hermes booon)

[willow fog]

You will either dash strike wildly out of position or spend a business day swinging that final hit

The 3rd hit isnt just slow, you're anim locked and it moves you forward

You can overshoot lmao

[desert verge]

or take apollo

[willow fog]

For what

[desert verge]

and hit whole screen

[willow fog]

Seriously?

I never ran apollo focused, what boon does that

[desert verge]

basic attack

increase area

[willow fog]

That sounds hilarious

[desert verge]

also same for special

[crude dragon]

Apollo's Attack and Special increase the area of effect

[willow fog]

No damage buff?

[crude dragon]

It's not a massive increase, but it is noticeable

[willow fog]

Or rather not significant?

[crude dragon]

Yes, it has a damage buff, it sits between Hera and Aphro

[willow fog]

Thats actually hella high

[desert verge]

not massive>??? it is like day and night for daggers and axe

[crude dragon]

?????????????
Why are you using Apollo attack on the knives that aren't Morrigan?

[desert verge]

cus i unlocked morrigan yesterday and didnt lvl it yet

wow i think it is 1st time i beat Cerb without being damaged

[whole remnant]

i dont even use anything on attack unless i get volcanic strike or heaven strike. otherwise trick knives special spam for life 🙂

[desert verge]

i wonder what is rival cerb do

[whole remnant]

besides morrigan

[crude dragon]

Please look forward to it

[desert verge]

if i live enough to see

[whole remnant]

morrigan hera for triads apollo for final slice

[willow fog]

Its nostalgic lol

Rival Cerb

[desert verge]

i feel i'm too old and cant rly beat that game(

[willow fog]

Consider god mode tbh

You get minor scaling def buffs over runs

[whole remnant]

my wifey wanted to try the game but was overwhelmed. tried godmode to get her first win. now she can do 32 fear with a light loudout.

godmode can be a stepping stone

[willow fog]

Your wifey is cracked

[whole remnant]

she good at games

[desert verge]

may be. i'm not desperate enough. i can beat low fear runs(i hope) with enough practice. At least underworld. After all i beat rival Sirens 1st try

[willow fog]

In a surprising turn, most of the time people learn best while staying alive

[stone sonnet]

Secret staff aspect isn't actually this bad right? Am I missing something or is it just worse version of anvil ring

[willow fog]

Its why I always prio survivability over raw dps

[whole remnant]

her VR in Mario Kart World is like within 500 of mine and im over 9k but i dont play anymore really

[buoyant matrix]

it's pretty good actually

[split shuttle]

anubis is cracked asf

[plain vector]

its alright but plays different than the other staffs for sure

[crude dragon]

Every tick of the Attack triggers effects

[split shuttle]

just get like pos, hestia, or zeus attack and another curse for origination ez game

[plain vector]

try usin hera

[split shuttle]

make sure to use omega attack as well

[whole remnant]

she wanted to try 50 after watching me do 62 but then got a Rimworld DLC then poof thats what she plays

[serene forge]

Anubis is the only aspect I play anymore tbh

[split shuttle]

omega attack basically old ea cast (in which it traps bosses)

[desert verge]

rimworld is really can be addictive

[stone sonnet]

What does it even do? Like a barrier that stops projectiles or what

[whole remnant]

yeah she plays that and some Mario Kart World online

[crude dragon]

No, it's a second field that can overlap with the first for doubling the hits

[buoyant matrix]

you put down your damage field then run around triggering shades and using specials

[split shuttle]

plus it can stop bosses from moving around (i think)

[crude dragon]

No

[buoyant matrix]

only bugged with a few dash style attacks

[split shuttle]

ohhhhh i see

i thought that worked for every boss

silly me!

omega attack still great tho

[stone sonnet]

Is it similar to secret torches where most of the room is just running away from attacks?

If so then no wonder I suck at it lol

[split shuttle]

yeah

[buoyant matrix]

you can be pretty active with ospecials if your gain keeps up

[split shuttle]

just place down the field, cast, and run around

[stone sonnet]

I primarily use aspect of thanatos so I usually don't run much

[whole remnant]

zeus/hestia attack on anubis. or poseidon/hera back ups

if you can get dem or aphro cast anubis is diabolical fun

[split shuttle]

if u get nexus rush too you can legit just place down the field and run around and youll melt everything in regular encounters

actually so cracked

[whole remnant]

zeus attack/heph special/dem cast/hera rush is dream anubis for me

if heph is fast enough cooldown

[split shuttle]

imo i think hestia special is better solely for the fact that you can get thermal d

[whole remnant]

yeah thermal dynamics goes off

i just love dragging a group in while stripping their armor off at the same time

wish it was faster, my 62 anubis had zeus special and dem cast and i still ended up tanking the timer for 30ish seconds, but its got a cool alt moveset they definitely came up with cool ideas for it

zeus attack not special

[desert verge]

what titles in victory screen means? like i understand when i had 5k gold after win it called me rich, but what does something about unbreakeble couple means?

can it be cus i have 3 double boons?

[buoyant matrix]

how many duo boons did you have

[desert verge]

3

[buoyant matrix]

yeah that gives you the dynamic duos victory title

there's a good bunch of different titles you can earn

[whole remnant]

untouchable my favorite but dont actually know the cut off for it

hand of ares is second favorite because when you make ares work its a fun time

[buoyant matrix]

untouchable is not getting damaged by bossfights

[desert verge]

can you get granny's boon for upgrading rarity if you dont have any?

[real scarab]

zeus attack/heph special/hestia cast/hera rush + arctic gale

5 gods but anyway

[whole remnant]

ah i've always had very little damage on the board in general when i got it so figured there was some # cut off

[whole remnant]

it can happen

[real scarab]

i know

[whole remnant]

mystery bags by marked doors, deliveries etc

yeah i know

[real scarab]

zeus attack without static shock is not very good in the beginning tho.

hestia better imo

[crude dragon]

You can

[whole remnant]

hestia needs pyro or burning desire eventually

zeus with static and AQ is cracked on Anubis

[real scarab]

yea but it's better in the beginning

[whole remnant]

oh ya easier start

[real scarab]

if you don't get pyro endgame'll be pretty bad

[desert verge]

i guess i jist get unlucky(((

[whole remnant]

its a tall order

[static flare]

mannn like what if we… I dunno… just had a good time instead of fighting all the time….

[desert verge]

sounds like you will be a good addition to Dionys parties

[eager gust]

what are some fun low rank aspects? i wanna try out some new stuff

[ebon sigil]

you okay with hidden aspect names?

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

this guide says if low hammer is decent

[torn wind]

The only bad aspect is the one you don't enjoy playing

Oh yeah and Anubis finally got a 67 fear clear so it can be moved from "has not cleared max fear" tier to "has cleared max fear"

[candid nimbus]

Ohhh, do we have VOD for 67 Anubis?

[torn wind]

It was probably uploaded to H2Crossroads but I haven't checked yet

[candid nimbus]

That was Dionysus himself's alt account, he thought he was being slick, I can see through his drunk man schemes

[torn wind]

Nah hasn't been uploaded yet sadly

[desert verge]

i dont get i die so easily even on 10 fear runs right at the start, how am i supposed to beat even harder runs(

[torn wind]

All we got right now is a screenshot of the 67 Anubis win screen

[crude dragon]

Well, the hardest part of high Fear runs is that first region

[torn wind]

Well what vows are you playing though

Cause like you can get 10 fear without adding literally any mechanical difficulty to the game

[desert verge]

1st and 2nd rival, block for 2 attack and onion for 1st boon

[torn wind]

Wards is not something you should put on early and you don't need onion if you're already running wayward

[buoyant matrix]

onion for 10 fear is crazy

[torn wind]

Bring a god keepsake first region so you can guarantee what god you want

[buoyant matrix]

onion means vow of forfeit

[torn wind]

Brain yeah

But yeah don't take forfeit that's such a horrible vow to take early on

You chose 3 vows that actually make the game considerably harder

[desert verge]

what is ward

[torn wind]

"block for 2 attack"

Vow of Wards

[desert verge]

i feel like with daggers it is pretty easy to consume this things

[torn wind]

It's still not worth it

You're only running 10 fear

You don't have to take a single vow that makes the game harder

[candid nimbus]

There are way better vows for 10 Fear tbh

[desert verge]

so what is your advice? just dont give me names pls

better name the effect

[torn wind]

Why...

You have to enter them in the menu anyways

Translation?

[desert verge]

cus i pkay in russian and i dont remeber names anyway i look for what they do

[candid nimbus]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMF0=

This should help. Even with the names in Russian, the icons are the same

[torn wind]

Bro why tf you put menace and return and fangs

What that's a horrible setup

[desert verge]

but what if i want rivals, i didnt beat rival Eris yet and i want to try

[candid nimbus]

I should have asked if you'd prefer Rivals at some point lol but fair

[torn wind]

Just early vows you should prioritize @desert verge are the ones that don't actually make encounters harder or make you give up boons. The onion one is never used until high fear

[candid nimbus]

Fair about Fangs, maybe I'm very used to it at this point, but Return? One of the easiest to adjust? Really?

[elfin heron]

fangs 2 can be spicy

[torn wind]

Fangs 2 can pull some wacky BS

[torn wind]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDMsMCwyLDAsNV0=

Just do that. if you can't handle timer 2 then do debt 2 (extra cost)

[candid nimbus]

How comfortable do you feel with timer?

[elfin heron]

I'd recommend this for 10 fear https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwxLDEsMiwwLDAsMCwwLDEsMCwwLDAsNV0=

[torn wind]

Bro STOP PUTTING RETURN

It's not worth it that's a horrible vow for new players

[elfin heron]

25% return is free

[torn wind]

It's ANNOYING

[elfin heron]

just collect green balls

[candid nimbus]

One of the easiest vows lmao

[torn wind]

It doesn't matter if it isn't hard it's just not a fun vow

[elfin heron]

free fear

[eager gust]

i end up just forgetting its on

[torn wind]

It's 1 fear lol

That's not worth it lol

[buoyant matrix]

return is mega free without timer

one of the easiest vows in the game

[elfin heron]

easier than grit

[torn wind]

Easy but annoying like just take hubris lol

[eager gust]

what woukd u guys say easiest 8 fear is

[desert verge]

i'm a LoL player i dont know what "fun" means

[eager gust]

i just have time, menace, and rivals

[elfin heron]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDMsMCwwLDAsNV0=

[buoyant matrix]

timer2 return2 hubris2 menace1

maybe drop return2 for something else idk

[torn wind]

Return 2 is just annoying as hell IDK why any of you would ever pick it over debt, shadow or hubris willingly

[elfin heron]

IMO always take rivals 2 or 3, it's the only vow that doesn't make the rest of the game harder, and you want to get used to remixed bosses anyway

[candid nimbus]

I find Debt more annoying. Ah yes, I'd like to have less things on store

In comparison with... Just moving around and collect green orbs

[torn wind]

Just run boatman

[desert verge]

okay guys, thaks for advices, i'll try some other setups, but i agree that more expensive stuff makes me more mad that enemies who returns

[candid nimbus]

It solves things for one (1) store, and last time I check, the game has more than one

[elfin heron]

debt is a high fear vow IMO, cripples you pretty hard even with boatman, unless you chrolex actually good boons but then what was the point

[torn wind]

🤦‍♂️ Whatever

[cunning laurel]

if you purge 4 minor rewards thats enough to buy a boon in every shop that matters

[candid nimbus]

He mentioned he wanted to try Rivals Eris, so no purging here

[cunning laurel]

wdym

[torn wind]

They don't have time piece

But even still without time piece money is almost never an issue if you just bring boatman

[candid nimbus]

For one (1) store

[torn wind]

And if you're short on money just... don't take the shop

Reroll the other door and get a free reward

You don't HAVE to take every shop if you're broke

[unkempt zodiac]

Honestly so real. Why do challenge to make game harder if not fun

[torn wind]

The game gives you a FREE reward if you don't have money

[elfin heron]

yeah just skip the boons bro lmao
how tf can you say that return is worse than this??

[unkempt zodiac]

Rift

[buoyant matrix]

the vow of time:

[torn wind]

End shops

Yes take mid shops for time save

But they're also not playing time 3

[torn wind]

Because return makes you actively disengage from a fight to chase down an orb and wastes a ton of time if you're unlucky

It can make fights a lot more complicated

[elfin heron]

it doesn't? just collect the balls when you're done with an enemy group, it's barely any work

[torn wind]

Okay cool let me finish killing everybody and oh... that first guy revived because I didn't go collect it

[unkempt zodiac]

I feel like it's been so long since you HAVENT played with return that you forgot how much easier it is

[torn wind]

Yeah

Like it's genuinely just annoying to play

I actively refused to use it until 50+ cause it's annoying

When you add fear and ACTUALLY PLAY TIME 3 it's not free at all

[unkempt zodiac]

I used return a lot on low fear and taking it off just made the game more fun

[torn wind]

Return is a lot of annoyance for only 2 fear

a 50/50 chance that an enemy just doesn't die is not worth 2 fear

[elfin heron]

I play with return 2, sometimes you won't be able to collect the balls because they're behind strong enemies spamming AoE's etc, it's not worth it
but overall, it's not bad

[unkempt zodiac]

It can be kind of a problem in uw time 3

[torn wind]

So you just explained why you shouldn't suggest it to somebody new

[unkempt zodiac]

I mean yeah it's not hard it's just not fun

I want to encourage new players to play in the most fun way possible, not the easiest

[elfin heron]

I mean return 1 is free, only 25% chance, and I recommended it without hordes, so it's barely any extra work

[unkempt zodiac]

If that means 16 fear is a bit rougher, so be it

[torn wind]

So is hubris which does literally nothing to 3/4 of the aspects in the game

And gives the same fear

[unkempt zodiac]

Hubris 1 is pretty free yeah. Hubris 2 can be really annoying

[cunning laurel]

very very rare

[torn wind]

Hubris 2 I barely ever find to be an issue even on high fear with magick heavy weapons

If it's an issue just bring hecuba and it becomes more free

Just don't take born gain

[unkempt zodiac]

Well on high fear you aren't really taking rarifies and you're running forfeit so it doesn't hit as hard tbf

[cunning laurel]

if you need magick take a tonic

[torn wind]

What's your definition of high fear cause forfeit shouldn't be going on until like 50+

[unkempt zodiac]

Uh 50+ yeah

50 feels like high fear I think

[jolly hound]

I got shamed for 40s without forfeit with hordes 3

[cunning laurel]

thats bc hordes 3 is insane

[unkempt zodiac]

45 seems high too idk, I feel like that's my cutoff. Just because 45 is where I start to struggle

[elfin heron]

hordes 3 is fun tbh, if you're playing mid-high fear you already know what you're doing so smacking larger groups is thrilling
that said, I don't play with time 3

[unkempt zodiac]

Time 3 is pretty much always easier than hordes 3

[jolly hound]

perhaps but return is just annoying

[torn wind]

Hordes 2 even turns every single encounter into a time loss

Since you're basically guaranteed a second or third wave

[jolly hound]

I have no issue with time 3 hordes 3 until return or wards is involved

[torn wind]

No one-shots and having to chase down revenants wastes a ton of time

[jolly hound]

Usually at 40 I’m coming out of Erebus with 30 seconds and city with 1 minute left but like

whatever man

[torn wind]

My recommended 40 fear setup from personal experience doesn't run wards, hordes or return

[unkempt zodiac]

What fear do yall play on casually

[torn wind]

45-50

With strength usually

[unkempt zodiac]

That seems like it's roughly the cutoff where you don't have to take any super annoying fears

I'm playing on 32 mostly now with rivals 4 frenzy 2 so I can learn those bosses

[torn wind]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzMsMywwLDYsMiwzLDAsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

This is my 50 fear setup usually play casually though if I'm running strength I'll take a ward and/or hordes 3 to run scars 0 or 1

Return with hordes 3 is terrible

55 fear really should be everything but forfeit, scars 3 and either pain 3 or return

Save pain or return and scars until the very end because those make early game HELL on underworld when added to forfeit

Surface doesn't really give a damn about forfeit tbh

[opal garnet]

I have no clue what’s happening with the return vow but as someone who hasn’t turned it off in nearly 200 hours of play time. Frick that vow, it’s horrible and if you aren’t doing 50+ fear you shouldn’t have it on. Unless you just “enjoy it” but that’s a you thing lol.

[candid nimbus]

SGG server locals overreact to green orbs. More at 11

[torn wind]

Speedcord and high fear locals more like at this point

We're just visiting

I mean if you enjoy having to do extra work for no reason then go right ahead

But it is genuinely annoying to play

The orbs can fly so far away and force you to entirely disengage from a fight to get them

The only reason I ever willingly take them is to farm funny damage numbers

[cunning laurel]

65 with void 4 return 0 sounding fun

[torn wind]

Genuinely

You'd have so much extra time

Erebus timeouts would be a thing of the past without return

I guss the thing that also wasn't mentioned was REVENANTS COUNT FOR WAVE SPAWNS

next wave doesn't spawn until 1 enemy is left

So if you have two revenants sitting on the ground the next wave just won't spawn

Or if you choose to fight an enemy instead of going pick up a revenant then you're wasting time

Like I really don't think people get just how annoying revenants are with hordes

[cunning laurel]

yup forces either unsafe play or time loss

[torn wind]

When EVERY ROOM is 2 waves minimum

[opal garnet]

Don’t get too hasty there

[torn wind]

Want to stop that Hippo in erebus from respawning? better hurry up and go chase that revenant through a horde of spindles and whispers

[torn wind]

Hyperbolic but it would still be way better

[opal garnet]

Ye

[torn wind]

Want to spawn the next wave in a fish and serpent room? better go pick up the 20 revenants on the ground

FIELDS JUST EXISTING

Ah yes that tempus or hole-heart decided to run away and then you killed it and didn't see it dropped a revenant offscreen and now you have no clue why the reward isn't unlocking

@opal garnet okay but imagine Hades 1 with return

With no 1-enemy wave spawn

You have to pick up every one before the next wave. That would be genuinely horrible

[opal garnet]

I can confirm. Return is ass.

[opal garnet]

Correct

[buoyant matrix]

hades 2 players when they have to walk to very bright green target (ragebait)

[torn wind]

We know you joke

[ebon sigil]

I hate in olympus when you've killed everyone, and the doors are still not open, and it's because some random zombie is somewhere on the map minding his own business.

[torn wind]

We love missing a lone revenant that flies in front of map art to where we can't see it until we're running around searching for the revived enemy

[desert verge]

also, if we talked about fear lvl, i want to ask opinion on Arcana, is it ok to play with last one?

[torn wind]

Judgement, the last one with Hades on it, makes you weaker at the start, can screw you out of arcana you might want, and might give you arcana that actively hurt your weapon's function

[desert verge]

so you think it is better to have less but good synergy

[torn wind]

Say you want to use huntress arcana on a weapon that doesn't use magick much. Well, you just got Unseen arcana and now you are constantly regenerating magick

Or say you use a weapon where you use omega moves a lot and want to set up damage while enemies are spawning or a boss is about to leave invulnerability. You just got eternity and now everything slows down every time you use omegas

It can give you arcanas you actively DO NOT WANT

Having a good 30 grasp build is far better than using judgement

Judgement is never used usually until 65 fear unless somebody is doing some weird vow setup or using judgement for fun

[ebon sigil]

hades card is for funsy meme runs, not actually good.

[desert verge]

i start to think i need to change a lot in my runs)

[ebon sigil]

I don't even take circe's blessing that gives you card you don't have active, because you normally take all the cards you want.

[torn wind]

Yeah red citrine divination with my usual build has like a 1/3 chance to entirely screw me over and then the rest of the possibilities aren't even worth it

[desert verge]

also how does moon spell for enemy ressurection choosing? closest dead to me?

[buoyant matrix]

last enemy you killed

[desert verge]

and those anchor guys are buggy sometimes, area shown can be VERY different from area they damage

[desert verge]

oh, thanks

ok, enough for today, rival eris seems unbeatable for now and her movement is too random and unpredicatable for me, especially when arena become so small and triple beam leaves enen less place to escape. i'll try again tomorrow i guess with another arcanas and fear

[torn wind]

Anybody who calls rivals eris easy just knows how to fight her. She's a genuine pain in the ass and really frustrating depending on what weapon you play

[desert verge]

i play only thanatos axe and basic daggers. I have really big problem with using Q so everything sigil related is just a huge no for me.

[torn wind]

Yeah... Axe hates rivals eris

[desert verge]

it was daggers actually all last times i foght her

[spring bridge]

Imo it's the easiest one, haven't tried the tier 3 yet

[desert verge]

there is tier 3?

[spring bridge]

I talk about the third bosses

[torn wind]

Still, you need a really solid setup to deal significant damage with blades. You can't crutch on scorch or anything because she clears scorch when she flies away

[worldly mantle]

biggest part of eris is just watching her posture. she def tells you what shes doing way before she does it. her faster attacks have bigger tells

[torn wind]

Rivals levels unlock after beating each tier on UW and surface

So there's a rivals version of every bos

[spring bridge]

If you stay close to eris you can avoid almost everything

[desert verge]

i know i just didnt unersatnd what he tried to tell

[torn wind]

Eris is usually considered bottom 3 easiest

[spring bridge]

Was talking about tier 3 of the levels

I think it'll be way harder

[torn wind]

There's 4 levels to rivals, you unlock rivals 3 by beating eris and scylla on rivals 2

[desert verge]

problem for that there is not enough place to do that in last portion of fight

[desert verge]

i understood already, thanks

[spring bridge]

I heard that you doesn't need to beat tier 4 for the success

[worldly mantle]

do you intentionally explode the heat balls early to get more space or do you leave them and try to play around them

[torn wind]

You only have to reach them to complete the prophecy yeah though there is some minor content hidden behind beating them

[spring bridge]

Last portion is just a dps speedrun imo

[desert verge]

i beat sirens 1st try but eris is way harder

[spring bridge]

I fought her only one time so I can be wrong

[spring bridge]

It's interesting, i might try if it's not too hard

[torn wind]

Rivals scylla becomes a lot harder at higher fear. She's easy withoug vow of pain or frenzy

[desert verge]

i explode them but lower she gets more place is covered by constant fire

[torn wind]

Eris also becomes even more slippery with vow of frenzy

[spring bridge]

Sirens took me 4 tries. Way harder imo

[desert verge]

mb i was just lucky

[torn wind]

Scylla is debatably the hardest boss in the game because it becomes a bullet hell

Like that's from consensus of high fear players

[spring bridge]

The start of the fight can be really difficult if you don't do enough damages

Same for phase 2

[desert verge]

sure i guess i'll try with different arcanas

and tomorrow

[torn wind]

Charybdis feature is often considered one of the hardest things in the game

[spring bridge]

Even the mini boss was a pain because of his hp

[hushed cloak]

There's a special place in hell for frenzy eris.

[ebon sigil]

All the bosses are a pain with frenzy... makes me scared of turning up the heat.

[hushed cloak]

Honestly with most of them frenzy is just a matter of dodging more and hitting less

[ebon sigil]

right now 16 fear is zen

[hushed cloak]

But for eris specifically the MAIN strat is outpacing her

[torn wind]

Eris is the only boss who goes invincible more often with frenzy enabled unless you count Jetty running away more and Scylla going into her shell

Since Eris’ actions end faster she has far more chances to decide to fly away

[ebon sigil]

all invincible portions of fights where you can still take damage while they do not is bs

[torn wind]

Eris is all about being in the best spot to respond to wherever she lands

Which is usually standing in the middle of the stage and playing a reaction game

Just staring at the screen until you see the little gust of air to indicate that she’s landing so you can bum rush her before she sticks a gun in your face

[surreal hill]

Just leaving some feedback that the who ever decided to add the ‘Fair Fight’ trophy/ achievement should never be allowed near an achievement list again. Nem appearing is random and then she can potentially have like different interactions, so getting 10 kill competitions with her is insanely rng

[tranquil wren]

doesn't take that long

in fact they made it easier in a recent patch iirc

like if you're going for 100%, fair fight is def not the hardest one to get

[hushed cloak]

Yeah, it only seems like an issue if you're hard focusing surface and or consistently losing your competitions with nemesis

[surreal hill]

I have all other achievements, 137 nights and have lost to her only once

If she appears, she has the possibility to sell you something, hit you, ask for alone time, give you a free item, appear only in the shop or challenge you. That’s 6 different interactions. I estimate I have challenged her maybe 5-6 times in 137 nights

It’s not difficult , it’s just dumb rng

[spring bridge]

What are the longest ones for you

[idle pike]

I got as problem with the quest about ||Dora ||and ||Prometheus||. I did ||Prometheus|| pretty often but the quest wont proceed. Also tried using ||Dora Keepsake|| but also no result

[spring bridge]

Is the vow which make the fight harder active ?

[surreal hill]

Arachne and Odysseus were the last ones before this

[idle pike]

Ah I need the Rivals Vow 3 for it?

[spring bridge]

Oh okay, i tought winning with each aspect would be the longest

[spring bridge]

No, you need it to not be activated. Maybe you're just unlucky

[surreal hill]

No I progressed the quest without the vows, the interaction are solo with him

[idle pike]

well beside intro talk I cant interact with him right?

[cunning laurel]

its a roguelike, cant there be some rng achievements

and whys it actually matter, you'll get it when you get it. whats the rush

[surreal hill]

Because I’ve done everything else and there’s no reliable way to speed it up. It’s just a badly designed achievement that is too rng dependent

No thought gone into it, just an arbitrary decision

It would have made sense if the achievement was about Heracles, who’s entire interaction is about earning coin

[cunning laurel]

if its not fun and theres nothing else for you to do, why do it

[surreal hill]

Because I want to finish it and it’s frustrating to be walled off at the end for a dumb reason

[frosty veldt]

[hushed cloak]

You know, it's kinda sad that in both games, hermes doesn't have a proper god keepsake

Cause like, his boons are crazy good

[frosty veldt]

They aren't in the same pool, but yeah. I get it. He appears every run, so at least you'll get one (or more).

[merry whale]

holy switch update

hmm prog bar stopped at 99% that's concerning

ok two time thing ig

[halcyon rain]

he's not a core boon giver

same thing for chaos too

[hushed cloak]

yeah, but chaos is more of a wild card

hermes's speed and coin buffs are pretty much always useful

[desert thistle]

got to chronos phase 3 on my 1st ever 50 fear attempt but ive only fought rivals chronos 3 times 😔

i genuinely just dont know whats happening in phase 3

[worldly mantle]

just survive for the first part until he stops moving and then its pretty trackable, iirc

its been a while since ive fought UR chronos

[halcyon rain]

yeah, when he's teleporting around you just run, same thing for clonos

[desert thistle]

is grit recommended for 50f?

[karmic parcel]

whats new with new patch?

[crude dragon]

Ares got buffed

[karmic parcel]

how do you know?

[crude dragon]

Because the patch notes say so

Also a new mode

[karmic parcel]

Im talking about the update that just came out, they havent released any patch notes yet or I didnt see. Just downloaded it on my ps5

[worldly mantle]

there was a hotfix 4 days ago on pc, dont know if its just when you played or if its later/new for something console specific

[tranquil wren]

that's a hotfix

[jolly hound]

He’s gonna fire exactly 12 line lasers, run. When he summons another chronos (“clonos”) run. Don’t engage on either. Deep dissent is now the best hades boon

[tranquil wren]

check #hades2-patch-notes for more details

[crude dragon]

#hades2-patch-notes message

[karmic parcel]

I did, thats old patch

[tranquil wren]

...what?

that channel is maintained by the devs themselves

[elfin heron]

just checked my inventory, and looks like I randomly received 800 gems, what's up with that? some retroactive reward?

[tranquil wren]

there's a new prophecy that gives 800 gems

[elfin heron]

which one

[tranquil wren]

beat dream dives at 24F

[elfin heron]

ah that one, thought it was 3 nightmare

I completed it the other day, then logged off

[ebon sigil]

Zag just beat me two runs in a row. Zag stronger than Mel cannon event.

[crude dragon]

That's the patch that came out with the Playstation version launch

[torn wind]

Finally I can say I've beaten high fear UW

Made the jump from 50-62

[halcyon rain]

nice!! good job

[torn wind]

Was sitting on a 58 surface and a 62 loss to typhon

Never got a run past Cerb at 56+ until the 62

[worldly mantle]

congrats!

[ebon sigil]

Started a jpom Charon axe run and the first two gods are poisedon and Apollo 👌

First four boons are Apollo gain, super nova flood ring and geyser spout 🥹

[torn wind]

I somehow run god keepsakes and still never get that lol

[placid robin]

Anyone know why you can't buy hades 2 on ps5 rn?

[torn wind]

Charon hates me

[torn wind]

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/hades-2/ looks plenty purchaseable to me

[placid robin]

I get an error every time I try to buy it. Try to have my friend buy it same problem

[merry whale]

could be playstation itself having issues processing purchases

[placid robin]

Yep that's what it was

[ebon sigil]

Omg, heroic heph special after that.

[torn wind]

[ebon sigil]

This is a beautiful run

[tardy juniper]

does the aspect of selene's shine debuff work with flat damage boons?

it says they take increased damage by omega attacks, so does that work with something like zeus or poseidon boon on omega special?

[torn wind]

It only affects the actual main hit

And it's additive with other % buffs

So it does not affect poseidon, hestia, hephaestus, or zeus, usually refered to as "god effects" or "olympian damage"

Same goes for anything else that specifically mentions attacks or specials, such as chaos boons or huntress

If it just says "deal % more damage" and doesn't mention a source it will apply to all damage including god effects

Such as strength, origination, furies, snuffed candle, etc.

If something says a specific damage source then it ONLY applies to that damage, otherwise it applies to everything

Hope that helps

[nova oar]

Yeah it's bad

[torn wind]

Selene hex damage buff is effectively useless because it's additive and only buffs moves you actively don't want to use

The hex itself is FINE if you max it out but it costs way too much to activate to where I've gone through entire runs without using it once unless I got a ton of stuff to increase my magick costs or brought Moon arcana

[red fox]

Not even an olympian god curse smh

[torn wind]

Yeah if it buffed ALL damage it would actually be good

A 50% global damage buff would go hard

[thorny plover]

How hard is 62 fear?

I see a lot of people doing it and I've beaten 40 fear so maybe it's not that hard?

[storm glen]

im shocked they didnt change aspect of selene

[torn wind]

Time is the main difficulty on 62 cause Return and Hordes is really rough to deal with while also not taking damage cause of Pain 3 and Scars 3

[thorny plover]

I don't know. It probably is though.

[torn wind]

Playing the game safe but also fast is tough to get the hang of

[thorny plover]

What's the arcana set up? Everything except Scars and Pain?

[abstract pecan]

What am I missing?!?!?!
I had my best weapon!
I had the complete Arcana!
I had five Death Defiances!
What in the name of Hades am I missing to beat Vow of Rivals Typhon?!

[torn wind]

62 is all Vows except void. Arcana is different. Usually the play is JPom and not taking rerolls so you're stronger overall

[torn wind]

"Dodge" -Piccolo DBZ Abridged

[nova oar]

Don't use judgement

[thorny plover]

Ah okay. So Void is really bad?

[torn wind]

Ye

[desert thistle]

try Strength

[thorny plover]

Okay, good to know.

[torn wind]

Telling somebody to use strength when they're dying with DD's is funny

DD's are just genuinely stronger for survival on boss fights

The reason strength is good on mid fear is because you can heal between encounters. Bosses don't give that luxury

[desert thistle]

fair

[thorny plover]

Is strength good?

[desert thistle]

i feel like i play less scared on strength

[torn wind]

Until you start turning on Vow of Scars yeah. Makes healing more valuable and the extra damage is nice

[thorny plover]

Okay.

I'm just scared of not having revives.

[torn wind]

Death is better overall for survival and wins on high fear outright

[nova oar]

Strength makes you less likely to die

[torn wind]

I'll just counter the death with a DD. easy

[thorny plover]

But you don't have revives.

[red fox]

Strength can let you play sloppy during non boss encounters because you just take like no dmg from them and heal all back later

[nova oar]

Just don't die then

[red fox]

It is chill

[thorny plover]

Oh, okay.

[torn wind]

Strength wins for the full run, Death wins for bosses. Generally

[red fox]

But when everything do 2x dmg and no heal available it is another story

[thorny plover]

Also you've done 62 fear, right @nova oar? I remember someone saying that.

[nova oar]

I have yes

[thorny plover]

How hard is it?

[torn wind]

If you have ONE boss you struggle with then bring death

[desert thistle]

ya thats why i prefer it but i dont play high fear

[nova oar]

Very, but my first 62f clear I did without using a single revive

[torn wind]

Well strength just wins outright for low-mid fear and speed

[jolly wing]

What incantation is more important to unlock everything asap?

Quickening of Sentimental Value
Observation of Gaia's Secrets

[thorny plover]

Wow, How many have you done?

[nova oar]

Just the one clear lmao, I hate playing high fear

[desert thistle]

ya i wanna start trying high-ish fear, my highest is only 40

[nova oar]

Took one hit in oceanus and then went hitless to p3 chronos with a near perfect build

Never again

[torn wind]

40 is respectable. Just get hit slightly less and 50 will be easy

[thorny plover]

It seems like you could do it again pretty easily if you're that good.

[torn wind]

50 is right before you have to turn on the really annoying vows or the ones that make everything hurt like hell

[nova oar]

I could do it again yes, I just don't want to

Much prefer speedrunning

[desert thistle]

tried 50f once got to third phase chronos but was my 3rd rivals chronos attempt and it didnt go well

[thorny plover]

What's your best time?

[nova oar]

5.13 uw, and I think a 6.48 sf

[thorny plover]

Ooh, that's really really fast. At least I think so.

[nova oar]

Not like wr fast but I was decently high on the leaderboards a while ago

[torn wind]

What aspects?

[nova oar]

Medea

[thorny plover]

Is that one good?

[nova oar]

It has the current speedrun wr of 3.54 uw

[halcyon rain]

lol same

its always this way

[torn wind]

Thought it was 3:54

[nova oar]

Probably was

[thorny plover]

Well that's really cool.

Do you think I could beat 62 fear one day?

I did 40 fear, it that good?

[halcyon rain]

of course

anyone can do it

[thorny plover]

Cool!

People say it's really hard though.

And I'm not super good at video games.

[halcyon rain]

you can do it, i trust

its just a matter of grind

also, using a strong aspect and having a bit of luck goes a long way

[thorny plover]

What aspects are strong?

[halcyon rain]

mel staff, circe, eos

[broken creek]

mel skull is a pretty strong one too

[torn wind]

Nyx, Moros

[nova oar]

For high fear? Circe, eos, mel coat, mel skull, moros, nergal

Mel and circe staff are probably 'easiest'

[torn wind]

Nyx was a cake walk if I didn’t get cocky during chronos lol

[broken creek]

nergal takes some getting used to and early psychic starts so i wouldnt say its too intuitive compared to the others

[torn wind]

Yeah Nergal is VERY build dependent unless you’re really good with it

It’s not at all something I’d recommend to new players who don’t want to reset a ton for a specific hammer and attack

[broken creek]

rule of thumb is any low mana build flexible weapons are your better high fear options

[halcyon rain]

i think mel staff is the easiest overall

[torn wind]

Eos and Moros hold their own pretty well despite being magick hungry

[broken creek]

100% yeah, circe id say is a super close 2nd

[torn wind]

Learning the dash strike special is rough since you don’t get as many I-frames

[short jay]

Ok reached ||vow of rivals chronos|| saved game and exited, I'll do it later

[thorny plover]

I-Frames?

[halcyon rain]

yep

eos third

[broken creek]

invulnerability frames, just jargon for why you dont get hit during dashes and stuff

[thorny plover]

Oh, okay. Cool.

[torn wind]

Nyx is strong as hell you just gotta find your window to hit your dash omega for night spawns

[jolly wing]

What gets Aphrodite to give you Nectar recipe?

I have an Golden Apple on me.

[halcyon rain]

i need to do a 62f nyx it sounds fun

[torn wind]

I think there’s some other requirements but it took me a while

[broken creek]

its a thing you dont really realize until high fear but mels dash 1) doesnt get the iframes on frame1 sadly, and 2) similar to hades1 the second you press attack out of the dash you lose all iframes which for a new player can be a bit confusing

[halcyon rain]

i actually wanna do 62f than but i'm not nearly good enough at this game for this. than high fear is rough

[torn wind]

Third attempt I hit shimmering room 1 and it was free from there

Never did hit freezer burn though

[torn wind]

Yeah, learning the timing so you get as many i-frames as possible and being able to dash out of your special sooner is tough

[void needle]

whaat i didnt know 2

[broken creek]

yep! its why you get clipped a lot if you play too aggressive with dash attack spam

[void needle]

does that mean if i press attack like 2f after pessing dash basically my whole dash wont get iframes?

[broken creek]

yep

[thorny plover]

So, I should play Circe or Mel staff?

[broken creek]

which is why higher level play they either delay the attack press to get as many frames as possible or selectively just empty dash to keep the saftey

[torn wind]

Yea try doing it in training grounds and look for the dash trail being a bit longer, about as long as Mel is tall. That should mean you got a full dash and can dash out of the special sooner

[broken creek]

up to you! im a circe main so id say having 2 casts allows for super easy crowd control and arguably an easier baseline than mel staff but mel staff with like 1 hammer becomes a nuclear bomb

[thorny plover]

Which one is more fun?

[broken creek]

but playing circe for high fear also means getting used to psychic leash positioning and since its high fear youre taking gale which is a bit more bothersome than raki

[broken creek]

circe imo

[jolly wing]

I wonder what they could be.

Can anyone chime in?>

I'm starting Night 21

[broken creek]

getting a strong zeus cast with winners circle is super silly

and the different casts will change how you approach things somewhat

[red fox]

It is called winner circle for a reason

[broken creek]

true!

[halcyon rain]

circe

[cunning laurel]

surely you can get your 67 now with wc buff

[broken creek]

i havent played in a while tbh, i keep getting gatekept by cerb of all things

lost one run to him double hitting me with his fire swipe ._.

[thorny plover]

Okay! I'll try it out soon.

Hopefully I can beat 50 fear soon.

[nova oar]

If you optimise arcana and vows it becomes fairly easy

[thorny plover]

@nova oar Just curious, do you have a recording of you 62 fear win? It wounds like it'd be helpful to watch.

[broken creek]

im not sure if she has any full vods but ik the crossroads site has a bunch

[thorny plover]

Okay!

[thorny plover]

The what?

[broken creek]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/?sort=Latest

its the site we use for cataloging a bunch of clears, game info, and tools for stuff

same site we share arcana/fear setups with

[thorny plover]

Woah, that's cool.

[nova oar]

I recorded scylla, cerb, and p3 chronos, that's about it

Other sources will definetly be better

[thorny plover]

k

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/bptSsND

All 3 are in that link

[nova oar]

I have an incredibly mediocre shiva speedrun and a 50f morrigan

[thorny plover]

Btw what's the best familiar with Circe @broken creek ?

[broken creek]

gale

[nova oar]

Gale or raki

[torn wind]

Those are 32 fear though I think you grabbed the wrong link

[nova oar]

Gale is more safety

[thorny plover]

Yea, idk why.

Why are they good?

I see why Gale is good but why Raki?

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/lsKQREr

[halcyon rain]

crit chance

[willow fog]

Rly good crit chance

All you see is 1-5% but he debuffs enemies with 15% crit chance

Tbh gale is just ok, blocks are good but you cant choose when to use them

[torn wind]

Really it’s just for better psychic leash use and that he doesn’t constantly sit on top of you

Using leash with Gale is a chore

[willow fog]

Yall use leash?

[torn wind]

Gale is vastly more safety but raki is just better for leash

[willow fog]

I use it to double my nukes

That leash damage is negligible tbh

[torn wind]

On bosses like rivals Scylla it’s insanely strong

[torn wind]

No it ain’t lol

[willow fog]

But wouldnt a double cast boon do more

[torn wind]

Okay now ALSO use leash

[willow fog]

Whats leash at max? 25 per tick?

[torn wind]

Like are we really just saying “nah I don’t want MORE”

[broken creek]

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