h2-discussion

[azure cave]

Never again

[random dove]

i guess your dues werent paid

[digital geode]

More seriously than that one time Zag said he'd never hit Skelly again if he didn't get so much as a hint of who he was working for

[jolly wing]

YES!

I had 2 Mandrakes Seeds and I hanged out with Nem sharing an Amborisa bottle. So I now have 5 Mandrake seeds because I also planted a mystery seed.

Actually, I take back the Hermes incantation...

I didn't have 2 Garlic

[digital geode]

Oof

[brazen pelican]

Has anyone established a weapons tier list for high fear?

[digital geode]

Probably by now

[brazen pelican]

Also boons

Like, I prefer Hestia but I'd like to see where that stands

[digital geode]

boons would be a headache to make

[halcyon rain]

what do you mean high fear? 62?

[brazen pelican]

I'd say around the 30-62 range

[nova oar]

30 is not high dawg

[brazen pelican]

Ok fine, mid to high then

[digital geode]

Wait is Selene coat actually that bad?

[azure cave]

Boons tierlists are kinda eh cause every boons worth depends on the run eventually

[halcyon rain]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ you can look at high fear stuff here, also speedcord can help, but all aspects have done 62 both routes, i think maybe even 65

[elfin heron]

if you don't like the hex, then it's just a slow mel coat

[nova oar]

Yes

[halcyon rain]

Yes

[torn wind]

Flash fry at end? pretty mediocre to outright bad. Flash fry region 1 and 2? goated

[nova oar]

65 is all done yeah

[digital geode]

Not sure what the hex does tbh

[halcyon rain]

new crossroads design is looking 🔥

[torn wind]

It forces you to use a mediocre hex that takes way too much magick to activate and gives a damage buff to omega abilities you don't want to use

[jolly hound]

Zeus power surge usually is ass but then you get mirrored thrasher and i pick it over static and even storm ring

[halcyon rain]

locks you out of a possible good hex

and as a reward you play aspectless coat

[digital geode]

Oh yeah that sounds awful, the omega moves on coat don't feed good to use

[elfin heron]

the omega special is fine, just don't bother with the omega attack

[digital geode]

Attack takes too long to charge and the special locks you in place, also aiming with it on controller is bad

[jolly hound]

It got a little better with the recent ares buffs but the Ares Dream ™️ doesn’t need the hex to wreck stuff. You can sorta make it work if you get controlled burn/fine line and go into incandescent aura, but you can do incandescent aura way better on other weapons

You’d think an orbital barrage would do more, but nope

[azure cave]

Blood Spree on Axe? Garbage. Blood Spree on Mel Blades Apollo/Artemis Dodge build? Facetank surface final boss for the win

[elfin heron]

was Selene actually stupid strong in EA and then they overnerfed it, like with Pan?

[halcyon rain]

nope

[torn wind]

Until you get hit with any ability that does more than 40 damage which is all of them on even Pain 2

[halcyon rain]

EA was wild cause if i tell you circe was the worst staff you wouldnt believe me

[elfin heron]

I heard Momus was a completely different aspect

[jolly hound]

Elaborate

My console ass missed out on EA

[halcyon rain]

i didnt play a lot of all of the EA patches but iirc momus was the same, just stronger, circe was completely different i don't even remember the old effect

[torn wind]

Well that's not very helpful

[halcyon rain]

bro its been a long time sorry

[torn wind]

[jolly hound]

Early Access version (the one you’re thinking of)

Originally, Aspect of Circe had nothing to do with familiars or cast tethering.

It worked like this:

• After landing a certain number of hits (attacks or specials),
• Your next Ω (Omega) move would gain “Serenity.”
• Serenity:
  • Boosted Omega damage
  • Rapidly restored Magick for a short duration

So the gameplay loop was basically:

build up hits → trigger Serenity → dump a juiced Omega move

It was more of a tempo / burst window mechanic, not a summon/synergy one.

I asked ChatGPT googling it was unsuccessful

[azure cave]

Pain 2 Is a Painful vow to take. That's for insane High fear setups

[halcyon rain]

yep, thaat

[torn wind]

Or for speedrunning 32 and 50 fear

Since pain + scars doesn't lose time but gives a lot of fear

[jolly hound]

Pain is free if you don’t get hit

What is the optimal 32 speedrun fear

Besides not getting Charybdis

[torn wind]

Everything that doesn't affect enemy spawns or health

Just stuff that debuffs mel

So typically Pain, Scars, Frenzy, Debt, Hubris, Time, Denial+Forfeit or Fangs, Shadow

Since even though shadow technically adds enemies you don't have to fight them, just the warden

And fangs is debatable since it CAN lose time and so can forfeit

Anything that makes the game just require more build management but doesn't make anything regarding the fights directly harder is how 32 works

[jolly hound]

makes sense

[azure cave]

32 can still be flexible depending on how you like to play tho, speed running Is not the only way

[torn wind]

Alternatively if you can do rivals 1 and 2 fast enough you can take those

I know we specifically were talking 32 speed though

That's WAY harder than 32 fear needs to be

Pain 3 Scars 3 is endgame vows

[buoyant matrix]

for surface? gimme a sec

[jolly wing]

I have 7 Fate Rolls.

Do I want to use 3 of them to get Epic Zeus Flourish compared to Common Flourish?

[torn wind]

Not getting Charybdis is possible?

[buoyant matrix]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzUsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSw0LDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMl0=

[torn wind]

Rerolling for something not even guaranteed isn't usually worth it

Cause you may just get garbage

[buoyant matrix]

rarity is overrated

[torn wind]

Though blitz rarity scaling kinda strong tbh

30 power per rarity is decent

[buoyant matrix]

@jolly hound 32 fear surface speed vow setup

[azure cave]

If you get It alone as a common you may force it Heroic with the Narcissus keepsake

[torn wind]

I guess rivals 1 on surface is still fast yeah I forget only eris takes longer

[buoyant matrix]

maybe denial instead of shadow depending on aspect

[torn wind]

Rivals Poly is basically identical aside from being forced to hug the wall

[jolly hound]

That’s a spicy meatball

[jolly hound]

I know you want shadow to make the bonk guy in Erebus shorter fight

[torn wind]

But yeah aside from rivals in place of debt that's the same setup

[buoyant matrix]

i thought we were discussing surface

[torn wind]

Shadow in place of hubris better for magick aspects

[azure cave]

Hubris depending on the gain can be manageable

[torn wind]

Shadow can be pretty rough given the fight

[azure cave]

Cardio Gain on Torches and you dont care about Hubris. Born Gain? Yeah no thanks

[nova oar]

Born gain is the best gain tfym

[jolly hound]

my bad I have adhd

[halcyon rain]

born gain? cardio gain? where are we, patch one?

we are grisly gaining now

get that plasma up and those blades falling

[merry whale]

real and true

grisly gain is the way

it's unbelievably nutty on torch

[torn wind]

Until I stack the hell out of oattack effects and now every plasma is equal to one oattack

And I maybe get like 15 over the course of a boss fight

[proper seal]

Patch Hotfix 2 👀

glad more fixes were done

[pallid barn]

can anyone please explain the Nyx coat to me?

[proper seal]

the omega requires you to dash and run towards an enemy to deal damage

[pallid barn]

and then what does having the nightspawn buff do exactly?

what makes nyx better than mel coat?

[crude dragon]

Doubles the hit count of your Attack and Special

[proper seal]

I think its the damage dealt from your omega boost

[crude dragon]

Or more accurately, splits them in two

So, for instance, it'd proc stuff like chain lightning twice

[pallid barn]

what about scorch?

[crude dragon]

Technically it would, but the problem is that the split hit from Nightspawn won't proc effects twice on the same enemy

So it's a room-clearing monster, though its single-target isn't that much better than Mel Coat

[pallid barn]

thank you

[wise wave]

Exceptional Talent got nerfed that hurt me a lot

[torn wind]

What about it got nerfed?

Only change I saw related the ET was that Anubis got fixed

[proper seal]

yea it didnt get nerfed

it just got fixed with anubis

[merry whale]

ye i think it actually does nutty dps now it's nice

now if they can just fix gift gift gift

[proper seal]

yes increase the chances of it appearing

[merry whale]

nah it's not the chances of it appearing it's just that it literally becomes 0% with jpom starts

[jolly wing]

I got Ares legendary by the time I reached Circe.

[crude dragon]

Exceptional Talent got its mana cost increased at some point, because I distinctly remember it was +20

[merry whale]

no it's def been +30

[tired iris]

How do I "master nocturnal arms", for the purposes of Skelly's bond cap?

[nova oar]

Isn't it just max upgrading them

[willow fog]

Is defensive posture as good as it looks

Its either that or stalwart stand

[placid sonnet]

If you don't accept ||zag's contracts|| when it first appears in your run is that the only time you'll see it? It seems to always pop up right at the beginning when you basically have nothing

[upper plover]

I need some explanation on what the recent Going Steady feature

[nova oar]

It can appear later

And spoiler that btw

[placid sonnet]

I figured we wouldn't have to spoiler tag anything in this channel, I assumed new people would talk in the new players channel

[fathom lake]

Selene coat hater
D:

[velvet cave]

First time playing since dream dives update and the game crashed early my first run…anyone else having issues like that?

[fathom lake]

If you installed mods its definitely that

I had to delete everthing and install everything again

[crude dragon]

Stalwart Stand is amazing if you're not running an MP-focused Aspect

[velvet cave]

No mods installed

[nova oar]

That's builds and combat, you need to spoiler anything post ending

[nova oar]

Cry about it

[fathom lake]

No no I get it i wouldnt hate it though

[crude dragon]

You know when you had romanced Meg or Than in the previous game, sometimes you'd see them want to talk with you again afterwards? Same idea with the romance options in this game

Today I will be an Omega-focused Aspect on the weapon with the worst Omegas

[frosty veldt]

Good luck

[bronze otter]

Ngl there needs to be a never ending amount of sequels we need 3 4 5 6 so on

[proper seal]

Selene Coat is Mid unless you have Ares in the pool

[nova oar]

It's still mid, the hex is ass

[bronze otter]

Ascpect of melinoe is the best I say the same for the sister blades

Poseidon boons+aspect of melinoe blades is insane

[willow fog]

Tbh even then it still worked, I had like 270MP and could take the hit

I was doing well and prometheus sent me back to spawn

Ngl he feels like the hardest boss thus far

[upper plover]

oki, oki
Is Hecate an option?

[willow fog]

Thats a spoiler btw

Just keep going

[merry whale]

lol i just picked up braid like "yay braid works now" then realized 10secs later that i'm on switch and patch hasn't made it yet

[velvet cave]

This game shouldn’t erase your run if you crashed. That’s not my fault. Can’t believe this isn’t something that was discussed or addressed during EA

[willow fog]

I just got the black coat

Its a ||mechsuit||

[fringe gust]

Lowkey dislike that they removed ||Chrono's ability to unpause your game|| during his fight

[tired iris]

Oh, he used to be able to do that? I wish he still could, that would be so on-brand

Also, I absolutely love the detail the devs put into reactivity for this game. They thought of so many things! Just so see if Nyx would comment, I used the timepiece to turn Chaos' boon into gold while they were talking and she said something about it!

[willow fog]

Question, is the travel speed debuff actually a liability

-40% projectile speed kinda means theyd linger a bit longer, since range is unchanhed

[sand tree]

hi

[willow fog]

They coulda just had it, then let you pause if you kept trying tbh

[jolly wing]

Currently have 13 Shadow.

Do I need more? 🤔

[solar pollen]

that would’ve been diabolical and i vote it gets put back in lol. i still found him breaking the 4th wall hilarious tho

[upper plover]

I just got the Argent Skull

How good is it??

[solar pollen]

u can never have too much lmao

it’s one of my least used weapons but honestly i think it’s pretty good. takes some getting used to tho

[jolly wing]

I want to get the exact amount of Shadow

Not 1 more

[solar pollen]

i wanted to do that but didn’t think about it until after i unlocked everything 🫠

[solar pollen]

wait were u meaning nightmare used to upgrade weapons or am i derping 😭

[crude dragon]

They removed it from the base fight

[worldly mantle]

very

top 1 weapon

unfortunately so because i hate using it

[fringe gust]

Wait, ||is it back in Vow Of Rivals?||

[crude dragon]

Depending on who you ask, it's the second-best or third-best weapon after the staff and debatably the axe

[upper plover]

Staff has been my go-to for a while now, but the axe feels too slow

[upper plover]

If you can give some advice on how to use it well
I'd be glad to hear

[crude dragon]

As I will keep saying, use the Special more, it's an animation cancel and a combo reset

[strong rapids]

go in the settings and make sure you have auto-fire enabled and have the button bound. that way you can hold attack to spam shells, rather than charging your kinda mediocre omega attack. also, using your special sucks in your skulls from a pretty big distance, so its the best way to retrieve them

[fringe gust]

Seriously, is this a case of they removed that function from base ||but then added it back in in Vow Of Rivals version|| because if that IS the case I officaly rescind my statement and it's cool again

[crude dragon]

Go try it out

[worldly mantle]

use omega attack as enemies are spawning. blitz on special is really good, hera attack is really good. most importantly, possessed array hammer is a complete damage carry

especially with something line fine line

[fringe gust]

I can't right now, I still only have ||Vow One|| unlocked so if you can confirm that and tell me how it works now that's be great

[crude dragon]

Apollo, Aphrodite, and Ares are also good alternatives to Hera attack

[worldly mantle]

ares less so, and the other two are yes but require more attention in the rest of the build for origination activation

[crude dragon]

Ares is a pipeline for Heinous Affront

And his other Wounds T2s

[worldly mantle]

which can be solid but not super consistent

wounds t2s did get buffed this patch so it makes it solid, but skull doesnt have the best fire rate to utilize it compared to other weapons

[crude dragon]

It doesn't have great fire rate, but what it does have is AoE

So that means you're going to usually get multiple Blade procs if you've got Profuse Bleeding

[worldly mantle]

the aoe on omega attack sure

[crude dragon]

Even the normal attack has a decent AoE

[worldly mantle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jolly wing]

Do you need to be close with Medea to get 2nd Hypnos incantation?

[willow fog]

Prometheus is rinsing me

My setups are good, getting skill checked

[torn wind]

Tip

Dodge through him when he starts to do attacks

Most of his attacks are in front of him except his one where he jumps into the air and puts down the ring

If you get the timing right it’s safer since he turns fast and has big attacks but can’t turn a full 180 fast enough

The only attack that’s kinda risky if you’re standing in front of him is when he starts punching you

That’s ones really fast

[willow fog]

Thanks

Tbh part of whats throwing me off his how small and subdued he is

Hes one of the only bosses that isnt swinging a tree at me

Feels like im fighting fist zag

Also im ngl his bird is kicking my ass more than he is

[torn wind]

Yeah for sure him and Eris are far more slippery and he’s definitely one of the harder non-rivals bosses by far

[willow fog]

Tbh I acrually found eris easy, first tried her

Then again I used zag rail in H1, so I know some blindspots

[torn wind]

Oh Eris is easy peasy was just saying he’s an Eris that doesn’t turn like a tank

[willow fog]

Im just glad she doesnt do the classic "drop nukes on self" strat

Yeahh, he's really tricky

Im not used to fighting martial art bosses

[torn wind]

Eris has the turn speed of a fully loaded 18 wheeler

[willow fog]

Poly is just telegraphed af versus himn

[willow fog]

The durability of a can of coke too

[torn wind]

Yeah like I “get” when people say “rivals Eris is easier” but I’d agree if only not for how Normal Eris just evaporates and never flies away

[willow fog]

Change her name to M-ris for all the abuse she takes

I think its partly because she reminds me of armored core fights

Tbh I feel like even when I get good enough to beat surface prometheus is still gonna be a coinflip of a run killer

[torn wind]

That’s usually how rivals Prometheus is too for most people

Once you get into high fear you can still very easily time out in Olympus

[broken glen]

she's a joke until you see her on the last region of a dream dive

[torn wind]

Underworld high fear most often times out on Erebus or Oceanus if you don’t hit the build but surface dies on Olympus

[torn wind]

1.2x dream dive speed scaling on non-rivals + not folding like a napkin + doing like triple damage

Okay 2x damage not triple

But still over 30 damage per shotgun shot hurts

[broken glen]

Eris is high on FREEDOM and the AMERICAN SPIRIT 🔫 🦅 🔥 🇺🇸

[torn wind]

Actually it would be 40 without strength

Cause it’s 12 damage with strength on normal runs

So you could easily just eat 160 damage in an instant if you stand in front of that barrel

I’m so anyfear brained I don’t know the non-strength damage of attacks sometimes

[terse rampart]

Can someone explain why the testament stuff has bugged out and isn't showing my daggers or torches? I have barely done any testament runs with my daggers & never done a run with the torches, so why would they both disappear? (I did this after I did a testament 16 with the coat / progressed the story a good bit)

sorry if this isn't the chat for this i don't come here much / don't know where to begin asking

[nova oar]

You finished their testaments lol

[terse rampart]

No I didn't I never ran any testaments of the torches & only did 1 dagger

i'm a bit lost on why completeing coat 16 would cause the daggers & torches to disappear?

[nova oar]

My bad I misread it

Have you seen all 8 bosses?

[terse rampart]

you saying that just made me figure it out THANK YOU ! it's because I progressed to far into the story & it locked me out of going up top

[nova oar]

That would be why

[terse rampart]

Thought it was a bug until you said that and went "wait.... lemme check the damn doors"

this is my 1st time running through hades 2 story fully (haven't played since way way back in early access)

appricate your time / help with it!

[frosty veldt]

Def wouldn’t have thought of that

[willow fog]

How bad

Also, does breath of eros count trap damage for the healing

It doesnt

[torn wind]

Yeah the testaments appear before you’ve seen every boss

And it’s “random” what boss they assign to

They do have an actual order apparently but to the player it feels random

[frosty veldt]

What all disables jpom hades boon? Is it just any god specific boon?

Or maybe I wasnt reading it right when it said things were disabled after switching boons in the next region

[red fox]

God keepsake

[frosty veldt]

ty, I thought that but just wanted to make sure

[torn wind]

Any keepsake that forces a boon-giving god to appear

So every god keepsake including gorgon amulet but not Selene since she’s not an Olympian god

Just to specify cause “god keepsake” sometimes gets misinterpreted as including stuff like fig leaf and droplet since those are also Olympian gods

[frosty veldt]

I like that gifts get given back to you, if they dont need them. Wasted so many in Hades 1, not paying attention lol

Getting fig leaf on a miniboss is so satisfying

[willow fog]

I cant believe it took me 20 runs to realize how op 15 armor per room is

[terse rampart]

yea.... armor is kinda crazy if you can get it to snowball XD

[willow fog]

Tbh its not even the snowball, its basically just 15 free hp per room with a side of shield gate

[red fox]

It could be more than 15

Because armor tank entire hit even when the hit is higher than armor number

[frosty veldt]

Cant believe I slept on hitch for so long, on dash. I just run thru a room and most things die instantly lol

[safe widget]

Kinda disappointed by Eris’ romance questline

[frosty veldt]

Yay, ||narc and echo|| done

[willow fog]

Hitch is obscene yeah

Combine it with aoe to watch the game freak out

[crude dragon]

Hitch cast is also significantly better than I have it credit for

[granite cosmos]

What kind of game does hades have that both his children pull half of greek mythology

[red fox]

I hate hitch cast, because seeing hitch cast and pick it mean i missed other hera core boon

[safe widget]

idk if im not at the end but it feels pretty anticlimactic

[willow fog]

Tbf its more like 2/3 of nyx's kids

[buoyant matrix]

they got mega rizz

[frosty veldt]

What else you gonna do when you live forever?

[granite cosmos]

The real question is WHO elsr you gonna do

[willow fog]

Question, hats the dif hetwern the historic travails and personal insights shade

Travails tracks runs and insight tracks damage dealt and stuff?

[safe widget]

is there ever an actual relationship like megaera's orrr

[frosty veldt]

One tracks runs, one tracks all weapons/keepsakes/hammer/familiar/boons stats

[willow fog]

Its kinda telling and hilarious how thats taken to its natural conclusion when TRUE END SPOILER ||Hecate is into someone who is completely off Mel's radar||

[frosty veldt]

Love seeing Melinoe breaking the third wall and speaking back to the narrator.

[granite cosmos]

They are besties

I honestly love! Homer

[prisma monolith]

1 armor can tank the 1shot from chronos

[frosty veldt]

[prisma monolith]

I love how they fully leaned into it this game instead of being casual accidents like in the first

Thats one thing that I disliked about h1 story. How zag finds out persephone is his mother because he can break the 4th wall, uh?

That didnt feel right to me

[granite cosmos]

Hades 2 is an amazing game

It so gay

[prisma monolith]

Game good

Fun combat, nice story, stupid amazing music

[safe widget]

Yeah and it got shafted at game awards cuz they put it in the game awards even tho the game wasn’t fully released

so even tho it should win GOTY I don’t think it can

[prisma monolith]

Wait wot

[safe widget]

it was in last year

[prisma monolith]

ª

[safe widget]

yeah it’s dumb asf

[prisma monolith]

Oh those game awards, the rigged one

[safe widget]

yeah the one that made exp33 win everything even tho it’s mid

and made stellar blade not win a single award

[prisma monolith]

Yeah I only count the steam awards as legit. The rest is rigged

[safe widget]

and made Astro bot win GOTY

it’s literally run by Sony

[frosty veldt]

[prisma monolith]

Basically

[wise wave]

No extra omega special anymore.

[safe widget]

How is staff of Anubis good?

[prisma monolith]

I refuse to believe a Playstation exclusive game can win game of the year, like 66% of gamers didnt play it

[prisma monolith]

It does dmg

[torn wind]

Really? On Anubis?

[safe widget]

I’ve been using it and it’s pretty useless in boss fights, only good in encounters

Idk how anything could be considered better than aspect of morrigan daggers

[prisma monolith]

Its good for bosses too

[safe widget]

how tho

[prisma monolith]

Cause it hurts?

[safe widget]

it doesn’t do nearly as much dps as morrigan

or even the other good staff

[prisma monolith]

Just cause it does less dmg than another weapon doesnt make it bad

[torn wind]

The Anubis bug that got fixed with Exceptional Talent was that the Oattack would overlap and not do double damage

[safe widget]

I just don’t know how it could be considered better than morrigan

[prisma monolith]

It doesnt have to be

[safe widget]

I can’t clear a full rivals run with Anubis

but morrigan and the other staff make rivals runs ez af

[prisma monolith]

One weapon will always be better than the rest, than doesnt make the rest bad

[wise wave]

I just read the text, only oattack.

[frosty veldt]

Anubis rivals aint bad, just gotta play different

[safe widget]

Anubis just overrated imo

[prisma monolith]

Yeah

[safe widget]

fun concept but I don’t get the hype

[prisma monolith]

Nah anubis is fine

[torn wind]

That can’t be right cause like it’s supposed to fire two omega specials

They didn’t say that if it was a change

Sounds unintentional if so

[frosty veldt]

Its just easy to start the main attack and move away while it melts

[safe widget]

I hope there’s dlc for dis game

[safe widget]

It doesn’t melt

[prisma monolith]

I dont

[prisma monolith]

It does tho

[safe widget]

it barely does damage

[cunning laurel]

are you building it wrong

[safe widget]

I guess so

[frosty veldt]

Depends what you're rocking on it. I had 3 scorch burn effects stacked on it and it melted

[prisma monolith]

I swear if you mention morrigan again

[safe widget]

Scorch is doing the melting

[prisma monolith]

....

[safe widget]

not Anubis lol

[cunning laurel]

bro

[frosty veldt]

But its an aoe.... the entire circle

[buoyant matrix]

https://youtu.be/9mfRErOTdAk?t=1128
idk man sounds like a build issue

[prisma monolith]

This is bait

[safe widget]

idk I don’t like it

[torn wind]

omega attack does far more damage than scorch does just saying

[frosty veldt]

Thats fine, it aint bad

[safe widget]

morrigan is op

[prisma monolith]

Its ok you dont have to like every weapon, but it is not bad

I dont like morrigan

[safe widget]

idk why you’d use anything else

[frosty veldt]

I dont like morrigan either lol

[safe widget]

except the omega spam staff

or Medea skull

[crude dragon]

Morrigan really wants you to learn its combo

[safe widget]

or parry daggers

[safe widget]

it makes the game trivial

[prisma monolith]

For fun, like i said, I find morrigan boring, so I prefer anubis

[torn wind]

Anubis omega attack does way more damage than scorch does, that’s why you usually just put a % or Poseidon on it if you plan to run that

[crude dragon]

Momus isn't even the best staff

[cunning laurel]

worst even

[prisma monolith]

Circe is

[safe widget]

I don’t understand where the damage is

[prisma monolith]

Really quick attacks

[crude dragon]

Actually, it's the worst of the four (not that it's bad, but the others are in the top 5 Aspects)

[frosty veldt]

Everyone has their favorite weapon/aspect. Play whatever you like. The glory of so many choices. All of them are viable

[prisma monolith]

So it applies scorch real quick, or pos

[torn wind]

Momus is the worst staff if you don’t count 67 fear since Anubis sucks at 67

[crude dragon]

Rapid AoE hits that all proc on-hit effects

[safe widget]

momus is way better than Anubis in my experience

[torn wind]

Anubis relies too much on magick to be viable for 67 fear

[prisma monolith]

The problem is youre analyzing the raw weapon, not its boon synergies, and thats just bad analysis

[torn wind]

Then you’re playing it wrong tbh

[buoyant matrix]

this is definitely just bait

[prisma monolith]

Has to be

[nova oar]

Bait or Low IQ, call it

[safe widget]

nah I just don’t understand the weapon

[cunning laurel]

morrigan is better bruh

[safe widget]

not everything is bait

grow up pls

[prisma monolith]

@safe widget

[frosty veldt]

Trial and error, look up some speedrun builds

[torn wind]

@safe widget #h2-victory-boasting message

I think Oattack does plenty of damage

[prisma monolith]

What are you building on it

[safe widget]

whatever it gives me

fates whim

[prisma monolith]

Thats your problem

[frosty veldt]

If you dont like it, thats fine. I dont like medea even tho its meta

[prisma monolith]

If you put something like a % dmg then yeah is gonna be bad

A weapon is as good as its boons

[crude dragon]

You genuinely want to be looking for specific effects and Gods with it

[safe widget]

I mean I’m doing fates whim shi

[prisma monolith]

Thats on you, not on the weapon

[crude dragon]

Even still, you can still be a bit picky with the Whim offerings

[prisma monolith]

The fact youre not playing around it doesnt make the weapon bad, thats just you doing what you want to do

[torn wind]

Message earlier decided to finally send lol

[safe widget]

Medea skull is pretty boring too

[crude dragon]

Unless you get completely screwed over by your Erebus or Ephyra luck, there's still some play you can do with it by just not picking certain gods when your pool isn't finalized

[prisma monolith]

Medea is like op af

[safe widget]

I only really like the daggers

[prisma monolith]

You dont have to like it tho

[frosty veldt]

Thats pretty fire!

[prisma monolith]

Point being anubis isnt bad, you just cant put "whatever" on it

[torn wind]

Anubis has HANDS until you take away its persistence and sorceress

[frosty veldt]

Flames is my favorite, but I'm trying more weapons now to get all the nmare unlocks

[safe widget]

skull is just spam buttons lol

[prisma monolith]

All weapons are spam buttons

[torn wind]

Life is spam buttons

[safe widget]

not Anubis

[prisma monolith]

?

[safe widget]

cuz spamming buttons didn’t work with ts

[prisma monolith]

Ok im done here

[nova oar]

Yeah this guy is just bad

[prisma monolith]

Just hating anybis for the sake of it, not even listening

[torn wind]

Spamming omega special with controlled burn and fine line is 100% a viable way to play Anubis tbh

[nova oar]

Shalll we resume our discussion on whether or not water is wet

[prisma monolith]

I fell for the bait, but im getting out

[nova oar]

Used ospecial for all my speedruns'

[buoyant matrix]

aki's surface 62 was ospecial all the way

[torn wind]

Just pulls in the entire room at once and nukes them lol

[safe widget]

I just don’t get the hype

[prisma monolith]

Its fine, you dont have to like every weapon

I dont like morrigan for example

[torn wind]

And also apparently b0mberman is claiming that ET no longer affects Anubis ospec and I don’t believe them

[crude dragon]

I can't stand the base knives

[prisma monolith]

Me neither

[safe widget]

morrigan is just the most op idk how anyone considers anything better

other stuff is def more fun probably tho

[frosty veldt]

You should submit that on speedrun, theres no other max fear anubis runs besides a 23 min one lol

[prisma monolith]

Cause fun is the most important aspect for me

[nova oar]

[prisma monolith]

Idc how strong anything is, if its not fun I dont like it

[torn wind]

There is NO max fear Anubis. Never been done

[buoyant matrix]

that's not max fear?

[frosty veldt]

Oh

[buoyant matrix]

i have that on h2crossroads though

[safe widget]

I’ll try Anubis again without fates whim

[cunning laurel]

does src have a max fear category

[torn wind]

65 is entirely doable for Anubis but it simply dies without arcana

[buoyant matrix]

no

[frosty veldt]

What is max?

[crude dragon]

I mean, Circe and Mel Staff both play nicer with a wide variety of Boons and Medea just goes brr at base and only becomes stronger as you add Boons

[buoyant matrix]

67

[torn wind]

67

[frosty veldt]

Ah, okay

[torn wind]

67 is all vows which includes void 4 which disables all arcana

[safe widget]

Medea doesn’t do as much damage in my experience

you can get the daggers to like 4-5 shot bosses

[frosty veldt]

Thought it was 62 cause the site says that, but I guess its not updated. So when I saw 65, thought that was the new highest

[torn wind]

Ah yes. The first ever weapon to clear 67 doesn’t do damage

Clearly

[safe widget]

said not as much

[nova oar]

You don't have experience

[safe widget]

read the words I’m saying

[prisma monolith]

No you read the words we are saying

[cunning laurel]

you called skulls button spamming

[safe widget]

no thanks

[torn wind]

The highest damage output in the game is a perfect build Charon, then P-array wide grin Mel/persephone skull, then Medea p-array (afaik)

[prisma monolith]

Its obvious, hence the bait part

[crude dragon]

Morrigan is definitely among the top weapons in the game, FWIW

[safe widget]

whats ur guys fav keepsake

[frosty veldt]

jpom

[nova oar]

Wantler

[torn wind]

If Medea isn’t doing as much damage as Morrigan then you’re playing it wrong. It’s that simple tbh

[prisma monolith]

Pom

[safe widget]

I feel like jeweled Pom is the best

[cunning laurel]

progress

[safe widget]

but silken sash is also really good

[torn wind]

“How original”

[crude dragon]

Jpom is the best starter

[cunning laurel]

nvm

[crude dragon]

But my personal favorite is Pin

[torn wind]

Sash high fear viable though tbh

[crude dragon]

There is never a point in the game where it's a bad call, and I don't just mean during a run

[prisma monolith]

My fav poms, in order, pom>stone>hammer>egg

[safe widget]

I beat the game with silken sash and parry daggers and that was a fun build

the piggy is good too

[nova oar]

Not a good one tho

[nova oar]

One of the worst keepsakes btw

[safe widget]

just means I’m more skilled

[prisma monolith]

🤣🤣

[safe widget]

idc I like it

[nova oar]

Dawg we've all cleared higher fear than you

[crude dragon]

Pig is a heavy opportunity cost for Judgement fishing

[safe widget]

also the fleece could be really good

[torn wind]

Hey so everybody in the chat can we all just agree to ignore the rage bait

[safe widget]

idc

[torn wind]

It’s so obvious

[prisma monolith]

Lmfao he blocked me 🤣

[nova oar]

Alr lmaooo

[safe widget]

Evil eye is not worth it imo

[prisma monolith]

God forbid someone disagrees with you

[torn wind]

Let’s talk water not being wet

[nova oar]

Bahahaha

[crude dragon]

And Fleece is outclassed by Droplet, Fang, and Antler

[nova oar]

I agree, it's not

[frosty veldt]

I used to run piggy until I kept getting death defiances and messing up strength. It was great early on when I needed death defiance but I dont want them anymore

[safe widget]

Also the trancesdent embryo is really good

[cunning laurel]

so whats a bad keepsake

[crude dragon]

Until it rolls into Discovery on the back half of a region

[safe widget]

Athena’s is also op if you’re doing judgement and no defiance I think

[prisma monolith]

Bell

[torn wind]

Evil eye

[safe widget]

I think echo’s is not worth it

[crude dragon]

Eye

[weak grail]

Guys I'm so excited icarus is in Hades 2

[torn wind]

Concave stone legit ass

[safe widget]

I feel like concave stone is worst in the game

[frosty veldt]

Eye was how I beat chronos the first time... lol since I died to him when I got to him

[safe widget]

also the fig leaf is weird

[prisma monolith]

I think bell is the worst keepsake

[crude dragon]

It's genuinely funny that the female romance options give the two worst Keepsakes in the game

[safe widget]

Evil eye is worth it if you have nothing else

[torn wind]

Fig is speed meta

[torn wind]

Just don’t get hit

[safe widget]

couldn’t eris’ be one of the best

[torn wind]

Fang genuinely just better

[torn wind]

No

[safe widget]

eris’ is just a worse version of the butterfly from hades 1

just don’t get hit and you do more dps

[willow fog]

Whats the piggy

[prisma monolith]

Extra cards after bosses

[crude dragon]

Nah, it's a worse Pierced Butterfly, both in scaling and with its drawback

[frosty veldt]

2 extra random arcane cards after a boss

[safe widget]

yeah but butterfly isn’t in this game

[torn wind]

2 random arcana, which when half the arcana you could get are literally worthless or actively make you weaker it’s definitely a gamble

[willow fog]

That doesnt seem that bad, do they deactivate on swap?

[safe widget]

so I’ll take what I can get

[frosty veldt]

nope

[safe widget]

No the piggy is good

[prisma monolith]

Its bad because of the strenght/death dilemma

[willow fog]

If we could lock cards piggy might be good

[crude dragon]

Sure, it persists after swapping, but I'd rather just have a better damage amp than Bell

[cunning laurel]

its bad bc you should just activate the cards you want

[crude dragon]

Like Antler. Or Fang

[frosty veldt]

If you're running death defiance already, piggy is great

[prisma monolith]

Yeah

[safe widget]

judgement, no defiance, and gorgon amulet

[torn wind]

I love rolling eternity which actively makes my run slower

[prisma monolith]

But if youre running strenght

[safe widget]

that’s the method

[torn wind]

Eternity doesn’t slow IGT so it ruins damage setups and enemy spawns

[prisma monolith]

Igt?

[red fox]

In game time

[prisma monolith]

Ah

[torn wind]

In-game-time used for speedruns

[frosty veldt]

Melinoe and pan daggers left, then they can rot

[safe widget]

Daggers r goated

[torn wind]

It slows down EVERYTHING except the timer

[wise wave]

Oh I got it. When I use Torch, the text change to oattack only. That's correct

[safe widget]

best weapon ever

[torn wind]

Yeah it changes by weapon I was confused cause it DEFINITELY applied to Anubis ospec lol

[crude dragon]

Even among the starting options, before considering stuff like the ability to swap keepsakes, I'd still rather take a panic button like the Tooth or a power increase like the Wheel

[torn wind]

It doesn’t apply to torch though sadly. Would be super OP to get double torch ospec

[prisma monolith]

The problem with evil eye, is the existence of 2 routes, your enemy might not even be in the run

[crude dragon]

It applies to the torch attack, but not the Special

[safe widget]

Also I hope they buff romance stuff in this game cuz it feels pretty nonexistent atm I feel like they could do something like cyberpunk

[torn wind]

I’m aware that’s why I said it

[safe widget]

or bg3

[torn wind]

Or not 🤷‍♂️

[cunning laurel]

buff it how 😭

[willow fog]

More rizz

[red fox]

Lion fang just do everything evil eye do but better

[safe widget]

idk make it impact the game more

[willow fog]

The word you're looking for is add new content

[safe widget]

okay whatever bro

[willow fog]

Do you buff movies

[safe widget]

ig

[crude dragon]

They did, that's what the "Going Steady" part of the major update was referring to

[safe widget]

oh my god stfu

[torn wind]

Extended edition

[willow fog]

They did buff the true ending of this game

[frosty veldt]

I just hope they add more outfits to unlock for Mel

[cunning laurel]

have you seen arachne

[safe widget]

Idk what they did

[crude dragon]

You can now get follow-ups after you start a romance with your paramours

[nova oar]

Who asked you, tho

[frosty veldt]

Yeah, but I wish you could keep them outside of runs

[safe widget]

lmao why r u ppl so toxic

insanely bad look at the community rn

[willow fog]

Like I was roasting the other dude but you're just being an ass for the sake of it

[safe widget]

official server just full of people telling me to fk off for just talking about stuff I want to see in the game 😭😭😭

[willow fog]

Buff his attitude

[nova oar]

She/her btw

[willow fog]

Buff her attitude

[frosty veldt]

You just came in with a bunch of hot takes and taking no advice. You're gonna get backlash on everything else after that. Enjoy your daggers

[prisma monolith]

"Hot takes" is being nice

[frosty veldt]

ik

[safe widget]

bro stfu hot takes don’t mean toxicity in just stating my opinions

[willow fog]

Whatd I miss? All he said was buff the romances

[prisma monolith]

Behave like a troll, get treated like one. Actions have consequences

[frosty veldt]

Haha

[nova oar]

Read up

[safe widget]

all I said is I don’t get the hype for Anubis and i like daggers jfc ur soft

[frosty veldt]

I try to be nice and you respond like that. Hilarious

[prisma monolith]

Normally conversations go both way, youre supposed to read what the others are saying

[red fox]

Being rude while surprised by people matching the attitude back

[safe widget]

being a sarcastic prick in your sentencing isn’t giving off “nice”

[prisma monolith]

You cant just yap constantly without reading what rhe others are saying

[safe widget]

“enjoy your daggers” is being rude for the sake of being rude

[torn wind]

Like I’m just gonna say totally honest, showing up and being an active contrarian when people tell you what’s generally “good and bad” by consensus of the community is kinda just going to give people a sour opinion even if you’re being somewhat honest of your opinions.

[safe widget]

don’t come at me with that bs

[frosty veldt]

Back to hades 2

[willow fog]

Damn that goes far up

[safe widget]

ok who cares ? Just say you disagree and move on

don’t have to be pricks

[willow fog]

Boons are good tho, for wep synergy

[safe widget]

I get an opinion too

[prisma monolith]

Saying 2+2=5 isnt an opinion

[torn wind]

If we have to disagree with another thing you say then it makes it hard to move on tbh

[safe widget]

just ignore it then

[red fox]

Voice opinion on public, surprised when opinion get disagreed

[willow fog]

Could just block each other tbh

[torn wind]

Tried that

[safe widget]

disagreement isn’t what’s happening

[willow fog]

Thats how I get info on H2 tbh

[prisma monolith]

Why say something if we are meant to ignore it

[safe widget]

I hate all yall

[willow fog]

I find its easier to get the down low if I say smtn in full confidence

Versus just asking

[prisma monolith]

Trolling requires you to be calm, youre volatile on top of everything

[safe widget]

facts

[prisma monolith]

Not a good combo

[torn wind]

Ngl. Shiva kinda goated

[willow fog]

Hey uy, anyone give me a deity for mel aspect axe? Base damage scalers

[red fox]

Hera

[prisma monolith]

Aphro or apollo

[willow fog]

Thanks

Wait, hera has damage?

[torn wind]

Hera is best with dashing heave due to the area allowing for more hitches

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[willow fog]

I thought she was mostly hitch dashing everyone

[red fox]

Hera has 3rd highest % but with a curse

[prisma monolith]

She has % dmg

[cunning laurel]

noo attack/special cores are way better than rush

[willow fog]

The attack power is pure aphro then? Then hera dash

[torn wind]

Yeah she’s the highest damage that applies curse and applies the #1 best curse in the game

[red fox]

Aphro and apollo has more but no curse and different isn't huge

[prisma monolith]

Yeah hitch is insane

[willow fog]

Hitch got me all the way to prometheus

[torn wind]

No just use Hera attack and get dashing heave from hammer if you’re playing Mel axe

[willow fog]

Dashing heave is a hammer?

So hera attack? Not dash?

[torn wind]

Yup. For large groups use normal attack and dash attack or special to pick off enemies until you get dash heave or seething marauder to make your dash attacks larger and hit twice

Then just spam dash attack and special and melt everything

[willow fog]

Got it, so the play for axe is dash spam

Any gods I want for special?

[torn wind]

For Mel axe

[frank mulch]

hey everybody whats going on

[torn wind]

It’s different for the other ones

[red fox]

When in doubt zeus

[willow fog]

I remember Hep was absurd with the bomb, got the cooldown to 2.2 seconds for 500 damage

It was on skull to so it was essentially a 500 damage jab

[prisma monolith]

Re tracing our steps

[willow fog]

By erebus lol

[red fox]

Sometime you see psychic whirlwind then you go spin

[prisma monolith]

Shpin

[willow fog]

Whats that

[prisma monolith]

You can use your attacks while spinning

[torn wind]

Apparently some discourse over what’s good in the game turning sour cause opinions were different and that turned into personal stuff rather than level conversation

[willow fog]

Nice

[frank mulch]

just wanted to pop in and say its fine to have disagreements with people about their opinions and playstyles or anything but an opinion is not inherently a personal attack on the game, on the devs or on you 🫵 the person reading this
and there is no need to be rude over said disagreements and jump straight to argument over something that was completely harmless

[nova oar]

Love you too pookie

[willow fog]

Is your pfp leilana btw

[frank mulch]

& no need to dogpile, if someone is exceptionally rude out of nowhere you can send a @devout junco, ping a moderator or something like that

[nova oar]

Nah, Luthien

[willow fog]

From where

[nova oar]

The silmarillion

[prisma monolith]

Luthien my beloved

I love elves

[nova oar]

REAL

[torn wind]

I’d say screw elves but I’m not short enough to be a dwarf

[prisma monolith]

😂

[dry notch]

Hi, not sure if its for new player channel questiom but i need a bit of unusual help with hades 2. I have all achivements already done, all romances, connections, all statues, literally everything i could think of. But one achivement. I need to win 1000 gold from Nemesis. I think i only saw her contesting for gold like 4 times over 120+ nights.

So, i need to think if strategy to get it done as fast as possible. So far i just try to clear first region, skip all boons and die to first boss and repeat to make it as fast as possible. Do i miss something? Is there a way to make her happen more often? Any advice is welcomed.

[prisma monolith]

She can appear in any region in the underworld

Just keep playing runs really

[frosty veldt]

Best to just do full runs in underworld. I saw her most in mourning fields

[prisma monolith]

Ive seen her a lot lately in tartarus, literally just rng, jist play the full runs

[dry notch]

Interesting. Assumed it wil ltake me way more time to cleare whole run. Can she apear in last region too? (i try to be spoilerless here)

[prisma monolith]

Yes, she can

After a certain conversation

[upper plover]

I just got the Argent Skull, and holy moly

I feel like I'm playing Doom

[frosty veldt]

I've never seen her in the last region

[prisma monolith]

It needs an unlock dialogue, but it happens after it

[dry notch]

I had a conversation about finding a way to tartarus, but though its the end of story

Since she hasnt brought it back again

[prisma monolith]

She can appear in it, so yeah play the full run

[dry notch]

One more thing, i would have to prioritize any boonless rooms right?

[prisma monolith]

Also, non menu rooms

[frosty veldt]

I have ||romance with her|| maybe I've gotten it but just rng doesnt show her

[crude dragon]

Hestia, Poseidon, or Zeus

[dry notch]

She can only apear with worst rewards rooms?

[prisma monolith]

Worst is not what'd I call it, but any room without a menu reward

[frosty veldt]

She wont show in rooms with npc's, since you're not fighting

[prisma monolith]

Like gold, hp, mana

[dry notch]

Can she appear in rooms with bones and ashes too?

Or just hp / mana / lunar?

[prisma monolith]

Yes, any non menu room

[frosty veldt]

I got that trophy way earlier than other trophies... good ol rng. I still dont have the first step of odysseus prophecy and im on like 65 runs

[dry notch]

Many thanks for help. I managed to 100% hades 1 exactly with true ending achivement but here in hades 2 somehow i think i went too fast. Game is still perfect but never assumed i will have this one as last achivement ^^

[prisma monolith]

Very rng

She might even show up and you lose the duel, it has happened to me

[frosty veldt]

It's like how hades 1 plat took me 100hrs, but the second time took 140hrs cause of rng.

[prisma monolith]

I had over 400 hrs in each game before achievements were added so I cant speak for me

[cunning laurel]

it's a weird one to have for last, seems you just got unlucky

[dry notch]

Oh same, i have 102h in Hades 1 for 100%

And i am at 125h in hades 2 but last 15h at least are looking for nemesis only

[red fox]

In my game nem just love losing gold to me

[frosty veldt]

Im at 70h and still need 3 trophies. Odysseus, all aspect wins, and arachnae(almost done)

[red fox]

That i forgot other nem interaction exist

[prisma monolith]

I love when she asks me to shmack her

[dry notch]

Nemesis is my fav of h2 npcs tbh

[prisma monolith]

And no nem, you cant have my boon, idc which one it is

[dry notch]

Thanatos was best in h1, but she has amazing vibe too

[frosty veldt]

Lol, when I see her in a room now. I just grab the one I want

[dry notch]

Apart from super cute dora / dusa

[prisma monolith]

Im talking about when she wants to buy a boon from me

[frosty veldt]

Ah, I havent had that one. Just the punch one, charon, or stealing a door

[prisma monolith]

She shows up and offers a trade, you lose a boon, and she gives you like 300 gold

Cause "she wants a taste of that power"

[dry notch]

Yeah i had this one a lot

Anyway, thanks for advices, gonna look for her a bit more

[prisma monolith]

Good luck

[frosty veldt]

Not having a way to recover magik by the time Im fighting eris, was a mistake. That took too long

[prisma monolith]

Sounds like a mistake to learn from

Thats what i love about roguelikes

[frosty veldt]

Yeah... this run has taken like an hour cause I've been talking here so much haha

[prisma monolith]

The best meta progression is knowledge

[prisma monolith]

Welcome to my world, haha

[frosty veldt]

Indeed, something to make sure I remember for high fear runs

[dry notch]

Yeah, i cannot have a run without my mana regen, i am spoiled for this

But I will never come back to playing without fates on, i love the rng of builds too much now

[frosty veldt]

If I dont have hestia regen, I feel out of touch

[prisma monolith]

I was so happy when they added fates whim as a mechanic, I always hated god keepsakes, in both games

[dry notch]

Yeah, like adapting to what game throws at you is very fun for me

Never the same run again

[prisma monolith]

Roguelikes are meant to be random, getting rid of rhat randomness felt wrong to me

[frosty veldt]

Got cardio gain, lets get it

[dry notch]

Yeah, it's funny though. Everyone keep saying hades 2 was such an improvement over h1. I finished 1 and though there is no way it can be bettered. Took me way too long to actually try hades 2 ;p

Was sure hype cannot be matched yet here i am

[prisma monolith]

Better late than never

[frosty veldt]

I've been on a roguelike fix for the past 2 months leading up to Hades 2 finally launching on ps5 lol

[prisma monolith]

What others?

[dry notch]

Oh, i am die hard ftl obssesed for many many years now.

[prisma monolith]

I love that game, (I have never won a run, but I still love it)

[frosty veldt]

RoR2, Army of Ruin, and Deadzone Rogue

[granite cosmos]

Missed opportunity for a character to say hell yeah but say "hades yeah" instead

In both games

[prisma monolith]

Go to the underworld
Im already there

[dry notch]

Actually one more question re Nemesis hunting

Can she apear more than once in one run? Can i skip to next run if I already saw her on my way down?

[prisma monolith]

No

I suppose you can skip yeah

Make sure you die tho

Dont give up night

Or is it called undo night? Whatever just die

In game

[frosty veldt]

[dry notch]

Yeah, good advice

Although interesting if gold gain this way would be counted for achivement

Not going to check though 😛

[frosty veldt]

I mean, if you see her and she offers the boon sale. Might as well take it and see

Cause she wont come back again with another event that run

[granite cosmos]

When someone tells zag to go to hell he says been there done that

And by that i mean Megaera

[prisma monolith]

Hell sounds really good then

[dry notch]

Yay got it, was closer than expected. Managed to find her twice in a row and last time... in Tartarus actually

Wanted to paste a screenshot but can't do it here

[prisma monolith]

Well glad you got it

[frosty veldt]

Congrats

[dry notch]

Okay, big spoiler question - can Nemesis actually get to final boss if i met her enough times?

(if this is not a place for such question i can move somewhere else)

[merry whale]

eventually yes

[willow fog]

I got up to ||typhon|| and got 2 monster phases

Does it end after that? Or is there more

[nova oar]

more

[merry whale]

there's some more phases

gl 🫡

[willow fog]

Thats reassuring

I thought I choked at the end

[dry notch]

Oh, can you actually see it or just implied?

[prisma monolith]

You wont see her do it, but eventually she does yes. And beats him even

[willow fog]

Chronos' weakness is actually no arcana

He neither brought a pretty mirror or a deck of cards

[prisma monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/cartas-de-tiro-got-talent-españa-lanzando-cartas-tirar-cartas-throwing-cards-gif-24240141

Mel to chronos

[willow fog]

Laugh.jpeg

[lean bronze]

ive been practising rivals typhon a lot
62f soon???????

[willow fog]

Any tips for normal typhon?

[prisma monolith]

Dodge

[willow fog]

I had 18% dodge

[lean bronze]

be under his chin
But dont be locked to the space because you will get hit

[prisma monolith]

Just learn the timing of the chin smack and you will be fine

[willow fog]

His chin is the projectile blindspot?

[prisma monolith]

He wont do projectile I believe

[lean bronze]

thats not the problem
Gusts
Bullets
Tails

[prisma monolith]

Just chin spam

[willow fog]

He just does chinups?

[prisma monolith]

And throw winds

From his mouth

[willow fog]

Is his phase 1 easier

[lean bronze]

no
But its easier since u dont have to worry about getting in close to hit
If ur playing faraway

[willow fog]

Got it

[bitter stirrup]

Final phase it gets really hard to avoid everything because he does many things at once

[lean bronze]

yes
Way less targetting under his chin

[willow fog]

I beat prometheus and was surprised at how far I got

[frosty veldt]

Keep casting, if you have the arcana card to do more damage in it. Dodge his chin slams with dash. Try to kill red bubbles before enemies burst. Dps your heart out

[prisma monolith]

Yeah final phase attempts to be a bullet hell

[bitter stirrup]

But eventually you should be able to barely get hit if at all until after second eggs

[willow fog]

The no hp showing is rough

[prisma monolith]

Its not a big deal

[willow fog]

It messes with my brain chemistry lmao

[prisma monolith]

Knowing his hp is irrelevant, just keep hitting him, something you wanna do even if his hp was showing

[frosty veldt]

Once you get "help" you're halfway

[lean bronze]

you can phase him before he moves with a really godly build like fine line parray

[willow fog]

Is he a single hp bar 2 phase boss

[lean bronze]

felt the same
You get over it tho

[prisma monolith]

A full bar afaik

Meaning something like knuckle bones basically insta phases him

[frosty veldt]

It doesnt transition like Chronos if thats what you're asking

[willow fog]

I got him to half on my first try then

Feels nice, tbh mighta bee 2/3 since I got 2 egg deploys

[prisma monolith]

Yeah zeus shows up mid fight

[willow fog]

His animation is certainly a choice

Eris and Prometheus looked way cooler with their Snake ult smashes

[frosty veldt]

Honestly after I got him once, its never been a slow fight again. Until you try rivals... but thats a future you problem

[prisma monolith]

Think of it as 25% hp chunks.
25% /eggs
25% /zeus
25% /eggs
Then the final 25%

[willow fog]

I got him down to 25% then

[bitter stirrup]

Do note that phase 4 is more like 40% of his hp

[willow fog]

Why so? Does he get DR

[bitter stirrup]

It's backloaded for the hardest part to be the longest part

[lean bronze]

ohhhhhhh

[willow fog]

I got him to 40% then

If I got him to 80% tbh id be more bummed for not wrapping it up

[lean bronze]

wish we get to trade shiny stars for more stuff

[bitter stirrup]

Phase 1 is 12500 HP, Phase 2 (after eggs) is 15000 HP, Phase 3 (after Zeus) is 12500 HP, Phase 4 (after eggs) is 25000 HP

[willow fog]

Respectable progress

Tbh theres a weird roguelike game sweet spot

Where if you fail too hard, it feels bad, but if you failed too close to a W it hurts more

[prisma monolith]

If i fail close to a w I just get encouraged, means I can do it

[willow fog]

For me that range is around 50-75% hp

If I fail at like 90% done I feel a bit bummed

But on the plus side 3 surface runs basically let me do underworld blindfolded now

[frosty veldt]

Also, since you're getting upgrades in between runs early on. It just feels much better and gets more fun/interesting

[bitter stirrup]

Worst kind of fail is when you felt like you had great luck and still weren't able to do it

[willow fog]

I lost to chronos with 3DDs and 270hp

[prisma monolith]

Im so sad about this, I wish at one point underworld leveled up to surface level. And no I dont like dream dives, I just want it to be harder

[willow fog]

Hep nuke special boon too

[prisma monolith]

Hopefully it becomes a mod

[willow fog]

Its so chill relative to it, and iirc some enemies from the surface actually migrate to the underworld

[prisma monolith]

No they dont

[willow fog]

I definitelt fought a mob that came from the surface

[dry notch]

I mean there is this amazing feeling of progress when you die to boss with 3 dd full hp in like 20 sec. And 20 runs later you clear without getting hit more than a few times

[prisma monolith]

No enemies from the surface show below afaik

[willow fog]

They mighta migrated from a higher floor then, mb

[dry notch]

(I think only this one small boss comes from surface, the dagger one)

Its from Emphyra right?

[willow fog]

Yeahh

That one, on like room 2, it was memorable

[bitter stirrup]

Well first 2 Rivals underworld bosses vs surface bosses is the difficulty balancer at higher levels

[prisma monolith]

Well yhats an erebus exclusive elite. You cant fight that elite on the surface

[willow fog]

Its funny how easy scylla is to dumpster now

Turn the drummer into the drumstick

[lean bronze]

This is so weird
This is the second time of me choosing rivals 3
But facing a rivals 4 somehow
What kinda bug is this
I cant even report it cuz switch cant rly do recordings

[bitter stirrup]

On Dream Dive?

[prisma monolith]

I know chronos forces rivals 4 on the final run but thats about it

[lean bronze]

dream dive and normal

[prisma monolith]

Dream dives rivals works the same as normal where it affects the first second third and 4th

So even if you select rivals 1, if your first boss is chronos then you fight the rival version

In normal however, thats should happen

[willow fog]

Hecate is pissed rn

[nova oar]

It's also an easier version of rivals

[lean bronze]

i have fought both rivals chronos and rivals typhon
In both dream dives and normal runs
On rivals 3

[frosty veldt]

Is there a prophecy for maxing all bonds or is it just extra dialogue/interactions?

[lean bronze]

its re-occuring

[prisma monolith]

Interesting

[sturdy snow]

Does anyone know how to get achievements working again for the Xbox?

[frosty veldt]

Til, you can choose when you slam in summit instead of waiting...

[prisma monolith]

Yeah! Space in keyboard

[willow fog]

Restart game

Quit out and reload

[sturdy snow]

Thank youuu lmao they’re flooding in now

[lean bronze]

Game is geniunely unplayable rn
I hop into any run
Rivals 4 without the vow being in effect
Happened first time yesterday

[willow fog]

Gotta help the other 3 xbox players out there

[prisma monolith]

Ask in #h2-tech-support

Maybe swan knows a solution

[frosty veldt]

You doing dream dives?

[prisma monolith]

They said it happens in normal

[lean dove]

what does the little page icon above a door mean?

[tranquil wren]

means a fated list interaction

[dry notch]

It allows to make a game harder for more rewards

[azure cave]

Is dual boons room Better than Daedalus room in Erebus?

[frosty veldt]

Just depends on the run for me; if I havent gotten a hammer yet. I go for that. If I need a certain boon from a god, id go with the double

[prisma monolith]

Depends on what you need, do you need the 2 boons, or the hammer

[red fox]

I generally prefer duo boon as game will keep shoving 2 hammer down my throat anyway

[azure cave]

Still no Hammer, but Zeus/Hestia Is kinda hard to pass up, feel like Medea can wait for the hammers

[prisma monolith]

Theres no correct answer here, it purely depends on what your run needs

Sounds like you made up your mind

Which means double boon it is

[azure cave]

In the end went for the boons, got Epic Ionic Gain and Hot Pot to set up Narcissus keepsake into Heroic Zeus special.
If I survive Rivals Hecate (Strength run) It should be a 32 fear run in the bag

[prisma monolith]

Did they ever fix trials giving duos? I think i remember that being a thing early on

[willow fog]

Hey uh, for the boon choice rooms

Which gods do I not wanna piss off

[frosty veldt]

Doesnt really matter tbh

[willow fog]

I remember in H1 artemis would shred people

[azure cave]

Depends what you are bad at doing. I really avoid Aphrodite and Apollo

[prisma monolith]

Eh artemis was free

[bitter stirrup]

Easy ones imo are Zeus, Apollo, Poseidon, Ares

[frosty veldt]

Apollo is the hardest imo

[willow fog]

We play very differently then, and got it

[frosty veldt]

lol

[prisma monolith]

I dont think i avoid any, I just pick whichever boon I want first

[azure cave]

I Always choose to face Hestia and Demeter given the chance

[prisma monolith]

Try them all see which ones you struggle with, then decide

[frosty veldt]

Poseidon is def the easiest to dodge

[prisma monolith]

I think aphro is the most annoying simple cause of the stun, but I still dont think is hard

Just annoying

[red fox]

Aphro is annoying because hard to see too

It is so small

If you can see it, it is very easy to avoid

[prisma monolith]

As a carrot I got good sight 🥸

[frosty veldt]

Do the ranks for ||the bartender show anywhere|| or just more ways to to spend currency?

[prisma monolith]

Shows on the end build

[nova oar]

Victory screen

[frosty veldt]

Ooo okay

[real scarab]

They show on the victory screen and the highest one unlocks some dialogs

[prisma monolith]

I believe it also shows in the inventory but I could be wrong

[elfin heron]

Hera is pretty tough

[prisma monolith]

She picks a spot then makes an asterisk, imo pretty easy

[elfin heron]

the rank also shows up in your journal/inventory

[prisma monolith]

Aye I was right 😀

[elfin heron]

there are fissures everywhere, can be hard to dodge depending on the weapon

[prisma monolith]

Its in a pattern tho, not everywhere no?

Always an asterisk for me

Just dodge away from thr center

[elfin heron]

what's an asterisk

[lean bronze]

i cant really just post no evidence tho
Nothing they can do based on it

[prisma monolith]

✳️ like this

[lean bronze]

[frosty veldt]

Could also just let them know so they're aware, maybe others will report it

[prisma monolith]

Yeah your word is evidence enough imo

Maybe they can find a way to recreate it

[lean bronze]

[elfin heron]

do you have any mods installed

[lean bronze]

switch
No mods

[frosty veldt]

Do some materials never show as not needed for recycle cause of the things you can incant repeatedly?

[elfin heron]

no

[frosty veldt]

hmm

[elfin heron]

eventually you're able to recycle everything, but there's still no "recycle all" button, which sucks

[lean dove]

ty

[elfin heron]

you need shadow for max Icarus bond + some decos, maybe that's what you're missing

[frosty veldt]

Got it, def need icarus still so that helps

ill start crafting some

[elfin heron]

Icarus takes a while to woo, lmao

[azure cave]

Considering Chronos fight, would It be dumb to get a Luckier Tooth despite the Strength Arcana? I have Blood Spree in the build too

[elfin heron]

yeah it's pretty dumb, you will lose Strength just for 1 DD

take knuckle bones instead

[azure cave]

But of I die I should have Strength again no?

[tranquil wren]

yeah but now you have reduced health

[frosty veldt]

Have you fought him yet?

[tranquil wren]

take knuckle bones, lion fang, or droplet (if you are using omega moves often)

[red fox]

Hear me out, if no pain, strength antler blood spree

[azure cave]

Pain 1

[frosty veldt]

Aspect of hel... wow, so fun

[azure cave]

.... I knew It. Clock freeze spawn on the instakill spawn and goodbye to the entire run.

[tranquil wren]

I recommend playing with Death if you're dying to Chronos' insta-kills

even on Rivals they shouldn't be a problem

[frosty veldt]

DD is a godsend early on

[azure cave]

Its Just up to luck, I got Frozen on the Edge of the platform spawn cause the clock spawned exactly there

[tranquil wren]

it def is not luck

[azure cave]

Any other Place and I would not have died

[frosty veldt]

If a clock is on the spot you need to be safe, just dont attack it

[short raft]

So no all Archine dresses are buffed? cuz im getting base value on pink Dress.

[tranquil wren]

I don't think they got buffed

[azure cave]

I dashed in with the Medea special, did not expect to get Stuck Frozen on the edge

[frosty veldt]

Thats unfortunate

[short raft]

Oh i remmber her onyx dress begin like +90