h2-discussion

[wide wigeon]

oh how many weapons have you unlocked

[weary dragon]

so say you have a five sec floodgain then after using mana then any mana you use you get back for five seconds

black coat

[broken creek]

Flood gain is just infinite mana on a cooldown basically yeah

[willow fog]

The centaur card aeems kinda ass

[wide wigeon]

so like how long between the 5sec mana gain

[willow fog]

What are some early best in slots for arcana

[broken creek]

Its good! Passive max hp and mana is nice and itll be active anyway after a certain poiny

[wide wigeon]

furies is great

[weary dragon]

i think its X time where X is how much time you get infinte mana

[broken creek]

Death, furies, origination

[willow fog]

I got death

[wide wigeon]

the time indicated in the description is the time where you get infinite mp

[weary dragon]

i think so i aint sure been a while since i played

[wide wigeon]

so it activates automatically when you use mp?

[weary dragon]

yep

[broken creek]

Yeah any mp consumption triggers it for x time then it goes on cooldown

Its just infinite mana on a cooldown

[wide wigeon]

whats the cooldown

js the x time agian?

[crude dragon]

All of them, though my favorites are the torches and axe

[crude dragon]

8 seconds

[broken creek]

Idr I play circe lol, its best on weapons that arent constantly channeling

[willow fog]

Whats the purple icon under the red ash?

[weary dragon]

did you try a torch build pre full release

[willow fog]

So I guess not many people vibe with the witch staff

[broken creek]

So like moros doesnt like flood gain because itll have weird times when you have no mana

[wide wigeon]

i like circe and aphro mp gains

[craggy totem]

No, staff is considered very strong and reliable

[crude dragon]

I did, and I lament the lost of the machine gun torches

[weary dragon]

i kinda vibe

[broken creek]

I main circe staff lol

[weary dragon]

did you try heph

[willow fog]

It just makes me miss the achilles staff tbh

[broken creek]

Its one of the strongest weapons in the game

[craggy totem]

There's fans for every weapon type

[crude dragon]

I like the staff, but the axe is my main squeeze and the torches are my side chick

[wide wigeon]

does heph have a mp gain boon

[willow fog]

The axe sounds appealing but it seems to take a while

[crude dragon]

What does Hephaestus do to make the things channel faster or increase attack speed?

[willow fog]

Whats the purple icon thingy under arcana cards

[crude dragon]

Tough Gain, it's the one that gives you MP on taking damage (and reduces the damage you take by a flat amount that doesn't get pommed if you don't sacrifice into it)

[weary dragon]

big boom and hestia heph boon make two big boom and with some comboing you get 1 sec boom cooldown and like 80k dpm pre buffs

[wide wigeon]

whhy would heph have a mp gain boon hes all hardware

[crude dragon]

Yeah, but a clang build is something that's weapon-agnostic

Any weapon can be part of the clang gang

[weary dragon]

lets say it like this if end boss surface wasent phase based i could kill him in sub 20 sec

[crude dragon]

Everyone has an MP regen, it came free with your regen slot

[wide wigeon]

whose is the one where it primes until the next location? thats the stupidest one or im js dum and ion get it

[crude dragon]

I'm aware of how strong a clang build is, I'm failing to see how torches bring anything specific to the table for them that Mom skull can't potentially do better

[weary dragon]

hera and its realy good

[willow fog]

Reagent is odd, what do yall spend it on?

[crude dragon]

That's Hera's, and it's the strongest general-use regen

[willow fog]

Ash, Psyche, and Fate Fabric seem to be options

[wide wigeon]

its so buns 😭

[weary dragon]

i just liked the torches cause better reach for my play style

[crude dragon]

How much max MP do you have when you run it?

[willow fog]

What yall use reagent on?

[wide wigeon]

sometimes i get it start of the run and i run out real quick

[abstract pecan]

34 Nights remain before I reach 365, but with my most recent Dream Dive, I have fulfilled everything on the Fated List, & earned more Kudos than can ever be applied in the game as is.

All that remains is to grab three more Void Lenses & 3 more Zodiac Sands.

[crude dragon]

As in bones? I burn it all on the arcana upgrade material

[wide wigeon]

it primes whatever it says in the description right

[cunning laurel]

why do you think its buns

[willow fog]

Nah the reagent market with the vendor dude

I can get ashes, psyche, or fate fabric but idk what the other two do

[wide wigeon]

ion like not having the option of having all the mp

[crude dragon]

It'll refill to full and prime the amount listed until you're fully primed out

[wide wigeon]

even if its js for this location

[broken creek]

It turns 100mp into like 400+

[crude dragon]

Get psyche, you should be getting plenty of ash mid-run

[willow fog]

Thankss

[broken creek]

Genuinley if you prime out its a build/skill issue

[willow fog]

Whats fate fabric

[crude dragon]

Fabric of the Fates

It's an ingredient for incantations, buy it as you need it

[willow fog]

Thankss

[wide wigeon]

lowk ion even use that much mp anymore idk why im complaining so much i js be spamming atk spl for medea

[broken creek]

Like one mana pot will increase your mana by a whole prime cycle or 2 which means 100+ mana from 1 pot sometimes 😭

[crude dragon]

Me when I get Exceptional Talent and Fine Line on the torches and prime out in Chronos's first phase

[cunning laurel]

its the best gain for medea too 💔

[gritty dew]

Yeah born gain is very good and doesn’t force you to play around it like most other gains

[wide wigeon]

if im running medea i barely use omega moves

[broken creek]

P.array 🥀

[jolly hound]

Born gain (prime 20) with 100 mana nets out to like 300, with 200 mana it’s 1100

[crude dragon]

Isn't Cardio better if you get it up high enough because it'll be able to infinitely sustain Possessed Array?

[gritty dew]

You want to get possessed array hammer which uses a ton of magic

[jolly hound]

Not unless you have like a level 10 cardio gain. Born gain works right out of the box

[wide wigeon]

i js get wide grin any time i get a hammer

[crude dragon]

Through Jpom are many things possible

[crude dragon]

Yeah, uh

It's not as good as it seems

[wide wigeon]

ion evenremember what parray does

[jolly hound]

If you get possessed array, born gain is the best bet to keep up. Apollo gain falls a bit short, Demeter gain makes you stop, tbh ares gain isn’t terrible for it

[jolly hound]

Every skull you pick up fires your omega attack for 25 mana

[crude dragon]

That's the one that yeets 25 MP and does an Omega Attack every time you pick up a skull

[willow fog]

Im kinda struggling to do hecate clean because her visual clutter is kinda hard to process

[jolly hound]

The reason why born gain is the ideal choice is because it works automatically, like in essence you go to a 1000 mana bar and that sustains 40 p array shots which should clear the room

[willow fog]

Also shes kinda positioning-heavy for a starter boss

[wide wigeon]

ohhhh yeah thats why ion pick that up lmao i js hate using mp idk why 😭 i gotta make use of everything

[cunning laurel]

really you should never need it to be infinite

[crude dragon]

You're gonna notice that's a recurring theme

[willow fog]

I dont mind that, im just surprised how early it mattered

Im not fully sure of her blindspot when she attacks me in triplicate

[jolly hound]

Cardio is fun but important to note that it won’t trigger for o attacks just regular ones

[gritty dew]

Wide grin on Medea isn’t the best

[wide wigeon]

but its the best tho

[willow fog]

I did outrun the sheep beam tho

[jolly hound]

Try possessed array and born gain next time. You’re going to be like whoa, this games easy now

[willow fog]

Im guessing they nerfed the tracking?

I got 2 death defiances from 0

[jolly hound]

No you just got better. Perhaps you figured out that dashing through it, not away from it is how to dodge it effectively

[wide wigeon]

games been easy twin but aight ill try it rn

[gritty dew]

Turn up the fear if it’s easy

[willow fog]

Oh it was my first attempt vs that move

[jolly hound]

Then bump up your fear by 15 and try it and I’ll still be right

[wide wigeon]

i am

[jolly hound]

That worked out nicely then haha

[willow fog]

I just cut the angle really tight, I remember people used to say its a pita to dodge so I assumed the homing got turned down

[wide wigeon]

lemme bump up to 62f rn watch me die in 2 rooms

[willow fog]

Is there a way to speed up the magic casts

The staff charge light is slow af

[gritty dew]

What fear are you playing on

[torn wind]

Sorceress arcana, racing thoughts from Hermes, Hermes keepsake, chaos channel speed increase, lavender dress from Arachne

[wide wigeon]

last run was 24 suraface

[willow fog]

Thats cool how a keepsake and item can speed that up now

[torn wind]

If you’re gonna play omega abilities sorceress is basically non-negotiable

[willow fog]

I dont mind, its just more strategic than im used to for hades

Versus throwing like 3 dozen shields out

Or love frag grenades

[warm cave]

That’s awesome to hear man, really glad it clicked for you. That “just one more run” feeling is exactly when you know it’s working. And the best part is it only gets better as you unlock more stuff and start understanding how different builds come together.

Give it a bit more time and you’ll start having those runs where everything just flows and you feel completely in control, that’s when it really hits.

Appreciate you coming back and saying this too, means a lot. Definitely drop in again once you’ve gone deeper into it 👊

[jolly hound]

The guys who do 62 love p array born gain tho

[hearty fog]

I'm officially an Unseen One in two out of two Hades games.

[wide wigeon]

😭 I was right i died in 2 rooms

[craggy totem]

TFW all regions WR literally primes out in Poly fight

[jolly hound]

If you prime out it’s not the end of the world, Medea still hits really hard

If you prime out after the red ring of death phase on super chronos you may have a bad time yes but like, you don’t lose

[craggy totem]

It was Mel skulls actually! Though that do be hitting hard too in its own way, just not Medea hard

[jolly hound]

not immediately

[jolly hound]

The WR is Mel skulls?! Damn

[craggy totem]

But yeah, I'm mostly just addressing the "uhm if you prime out then skill issue lol" kind of argument

[craggy totem]

For all regions specifically

SF + UW RTA in one go

[jolly hound]

how bout that

[craggy totem]

Although I do like that the any% top five has four different aspects represented

Nice variety!

even if 3/4 are just "various skulls" lmao

[proper echo]

#h2-tech-support message

Can anyone Tell me what this is and how can I unlock ?

[craggy totem]

Play the game and you'll find out

It's not hidden like a secret you have to go out of your way to unlock, you'll naturally be introduced to it when you can

[jolly hound]

An endgame reward, you’ll get it after winning a bunch of times

[craggy totem]

This game has very few (if any) super sekrit things, it just straight up tells you stuff

Just be patient and don't skip dialogues

[proper echo]

How many Times I have to win?

[jolly hound]

probably around 40 depending on how fast you get good

[proper echo]

Only 40 ?
In the hole Game or After Complete the Game ?

[proud swift]

Does skelly not explain the prizes?

[craggy totem]

He absolutely explains them

[crude dragon]

Sure does!

[craggy totem]

Almost everything, if not absolutely everything, is very explicitly explained in the game

It is not a tricksy, mysterious kind of game

[proper echo]

Its only a Statue ? 🤣

I unlocked now the First 😅

[elfin heron]

people just mash through dialog then go to discord to ask what it was
seen this on many servers

[proper echo]

I skip absolutly every Single convetsation

[crude dragon]

"Only" a statue as though it's not a masterpiece

[crude dragon]

Cringe

[proper echo]

Hahah I Hit someone 🤣

[crude dragon]

Cringe

[proud swift]

A fantastical display of intelligence.

[sturdy magnet]

Quick question after forging bonds with the characters in the Crossroad, can you still offer to take baths with them?

[elfin heron]

yes

can also go fishing or drink ambrosia together

[sturdy magnet]

I see

[elfin heron]

this was added in the last patch though, you couldn't before

[fathom lake]

Chaos level Disconnection from the game lmfao

[exotic grove]

What’s a good god to use for tue aspect of pan

Debating between flood or possibly zeus

[elfin heron]

I don't play Pan (Artemis is way stronger IMO) but I believe Poseidon special is still the meta for Pan

[exotic grove]

Alright

[jolly hound]

pretty much the same stuff is good on every knife not counting morrigan

One thing worth flagging is Dionysus grape juice and pan o special being very sexy

[cunning laurel]

poseidon special is worse than zeus hestia and hera

[elfin heron]

you can take chonky % based boons on Artemis because it will be hitting hard after a parry

[jolly hound]

True, though scorch/splash attack will still do work

[random lagoon]

deeply unrelated but it feels so funny how I got gifted Crimson Desert and I end up just hopping on Hades 2 more, this game is so much crack

[balmy jacinth]

yea you’re a dork i’m ngl

[balmy jacinth]

got gifted monster hunter and like i cant play 2 peak games at once

[random lagoon]

right? like, great games and all

but hades 2, ,,

[balmy jacinth]

it just scratches that itch

[reef rivet]

Can you dodge the sheep spell from the lady boss in first underworld

[cunning laurel]

dash through it a bunch

[limpid oar]

Yeah or with the right build even outrun it

[reef rivet]

I’m 5 hours in so I don’t think I have good enough arcana’s

[random lagoon]

it has a substantial decrease in speed when the orb turns, so dodging through it over and over would work by default

[reef rivet]

Alright
I just lose a lot of health to that curse tbh

[left sapphire]

quick question for those who may know better than me; I'm planning on updating my home/work decor, and I was wondering if there was any Hades 2-specific merch currently planned outside of the 2 things showing on Fangamer, the Frinos plush and Hades 2 poster (neither of which I'm especially interested in)

[craggy totem]

Nothing has been officially announced yet.

[left sapphire]

rodger that, appreciate it

[hearty fog]

Profuse Bleeding probably shouldn't spawn Success Rate any more.

[mild arch]

Just came back after a while of not playing. When were the dream runs added?

[craggy totem]

Patch 2. #hades2-patch-notes

[jolly hound]

14 April

[mild arch]

Were there any other big things added?

[craggy totem]

The patch notes have a "Highlights" section

[cunning laurel]

ares rework

[civic magnet]

I just beat Hades 2

[jolly hound]

They made ares great again

[hasty lava]

Fun game

[civic magnet]

How long is to complete the prologue in Hades 2?

[elfin heron]

there is no prologue, you start the game immediately

[civic magnet]

I mean the post game content (||find the fates|| and the Golden Age achievement)

[late surge]

What does is it mean to fully upgrade more Nocturnal Arms

[craggy totem]

That's the epilogue (opposite)

It depends on how much you did of the prereqs in your main game

[craggy totem]

Rank them up.

[late surge]

What that mean

[craggy totem]

Level them up. Upgrade them.

[late surge]

Like with the hammers?

[craggy totem]

No, like level them up in the Training Grounds.

Try clicking on the weapons there.

[civic magnet]

ops, I mixed words lol

[civic magnet]

it's something around 10 hours at least?

[craggy totem]

Really can't say. Like I mentioned, it depends heavily on how much you advanced various of the prerequisite relationships already,

It could be as short as 20 minutes.

Or it could be 10 hours, sure. All depends on your savefile and how fast you play :P

[civic magnet]

I only have max out Eris and Nemesis

[late surge]

Oh that

[craggy totem]

You don't need to 100% every relationship, it's just the specific characters that the game will plainly tell you

But it sounds like you haven't got the necessary ones, so probably more than 20 minutes :P

[civic magnet]

Do I need to do ||Dora and Prometheus quest?||

[craggy totem]

I think hers is separate from his

[jolly hound]

You’ll do it anyway if you do enough runs and talk to everybody

[short jay]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO IM STILL GOING THROUGH THE CUTSCENE AND TALKS! WHY DID THE POWER HAVE TO CUT OFF KOW! I WAS AT THE ENDING

[heavy crow]

Block mechanics are so dumb I hate them. Like why do I have to have the enemy's block over 10k damage please stop blocking I just want to fight the enemy's im even hitting you from behind your shield is no where near my attack. Please just please stop blocking for 2 seconds omg

[craggy totem]

Is this Chronos or

[heavy crow]

No, thats just a boss move. Its the sayters and their dumb shields

[craggy totem]

Ah

[heavy crow]

in a normal encounter doing more to screw me over then any boss can

[limpid oar]

Have you tried getting behind the shield-wielding enemy?

[craggy totem]

Something that someone told me was that if ANYTHING hits Chronos' shield, then he's just invincible for that frame even if you are also simultaneously hitting him from behind the shield. I wonder if it works that way for other stuff too

[heavy crow]

yes, I have. Yet for some reason they still count as blocking

Even when I use the sister blades and have a build all about getting behind enemy's they still block

[safe jetty]

Why is H2 so easy? I was originally stuck on Scylla on my like 2-10 nights. But once I beat her for the first time I continued and ended up beating chronos. All first time. Right after that I did it again but my game crashed at the end? It seems too easy?

[craggy totem]

You've played less than 5% of the game

[jolly hound]

If you’re throwing the knife at it and the shield blocks it the knife will stop and not complete its full boomerang

[heavy crow]

No, I mean using the base attack on them from behind still gets blocked most of the time

[safe jetty]

Oh I thought it would of been more. The fact that he just ||resurrects|| over and over is annoying. But killing him is fun. He hasn’t beat me once.

[crude dragon]

Because you have experience that transferred over from the first game

[safe jetty]

Bro I can’t even beat the first game. I lowkey quit cause ||hades|| kept rocking me. I never finished it

[craggy totem]

Maybe time to revisit.

[heavy crow]

also I mainly just get pissed off at that sound and seeing them avoid any damage at all

[craggy totem]

Plunk

Ktunk ktunk ktunk ktunk

[short jay]

LET'S GOOOOOOO THE GAME SAVED AFTER THE CUTSCENE

[heavy crow]

https://tenor.com/view/die-kill-kills-you-anime-gif-23910501

im killing that sound

ima replace it with heavy lauging from tf2 or something idk

[reef sail]

Replace it with the onion/eris trash/bell boing

[short jay]

And on my 38 run I finished the game

Listening to the credits song

[jolly wing]

I'm on night 8 and I can purchase Moondust with Bones.

What Arcana cards would you upgrade asap? Or how do you use your bones?

[reef sail]

Death is huge as a first moon dust target

[crude dragon]

Origination, Death, and Persistence are all good picks

[crude dragon]

Replace it with the CoD hitmarker sound

[jolly wing]

I can go on surface on night 8...

[placid sonnet]

Which keepsakes are considered trash ass tier? So I know to fully level them last

I know everything technically has a use case though

[hushed cloak]

None of them are super egregious honestly, my best advice is to just use the ones that you find yourself wanting

Keepsakes level fast, especially with the incantation that doubles their rank ups

[elfin heron]

Eris' discordant bell is basically trash, the rest are all good I think

[hushed cloak]

Actually I changed my answer level discordant bell and never take it off

For funny

[elfin heron]

it's just a straight up worse pierced butterfly from Hades 1

[placid sonnet]

Well I guess it fits her theme then lol

I would have said Crystal figurine but I guess maybe it would be good for judgment runs

[hushed cloak]

Oh actually, hades's keepsake is really good

Focus it once you get it, it's post game tho

[elfin heron]

crystal figurine is good for the beat Chronos with every arcana prophecy/achievement, saves you time

but if you're like me and run Strength it's very bad, because it may randomly activate Death which will turn off Strength

[hushed cloak]

Could always just burn all your defiances in the next encounter to turn it back on

[broken creek]

Echos, Eris is funny at least, evil eye

Oh crystal fig sucks buns too

[elfin heron]

why Evil Eye? it's goated

[broken creek]

Fang is just better

[elfin heron]

I died to Chronos a while back and still take it for him sometimes
fang is bad if you want to take siderooms

[broken creek]

30% on one enemy that if you die to anything else is useless the next run compared to fangs 50% global on everything that decays to only 5% less

[elfin heron]

fang is good on the surface I agree, but when going down I always want to take the side rooms to power up

[broken creek]

Even then id still say fang is better cuz its at least doing something

[elfin heron]

anyway, yeah Echo's keepsake is sketchy, 1 free boon is not much and she might actually pick something that completely ruins your build (e.g. if you have an open core slot and were wating for a specific boon)

[broken creek]

Plus in most cases side rooms in tart are a waste of time

[hushed cloak]

Flashback to when echo procced into a common boon that deactivated my uncommon grace from hera

[elfin heron]

family dispute ones are nice, 2 boons for free

[hushed cloak]

If triple pom is wrong I don't wanna be right...

[broken creek]

Its not free though youre slowing down your entire tart for whats probably nothing boons by that point and say you take evil eye there you're taking an extra room that'll also scale later rooms

[elfin heron]

wdym scale later rooms

[broken creek]

Enemy gen is determined by a "threat value" that goes up as you progress in a region, side rooms in tart scale this value and make later rooms longer and denser

Which is why speedrun skips hades even though hes an npc

[elfin heron]

well, we're just casual players, I doubt it matters if the next room will have like 1 more enemy

[broken creek]

Well yeah but when we talk about trinket usefulness we have to talk a bit more objectively

[elfin heron]

but you might get some strong boon like all together or something

[broken creek]

Otherwise why not hold Eris keepsake the entire run cuz if you dont get hit why does it matter

Like fleece is another thing that sucks because fang is just better

[elfin heron]

because the trade off is not worth it, what does it end up at? like +50% taken/dealt? you can get that +50% from other sources like the fang

[broken creek]

Yeah but if youre a for funsies casual gamer and wanna use that argument then theres zero purpose talking about usefulness

Just take what you want and anything works the game doesnt get hard until 45f+ anyway

[hushed cloak]

Fleece does more damage and doesn't depreciate in value? I kinda get evil eye but if your build heavily relies on omega moves like psychic whirlwind axe or just torches in general then fleece is just a good pick in some situations

[elfin heron]

fleece can be very strong on omega builds if you happened to take a fair amount of damage that run, e.g. I took it on my Artemis run last time, I basically just spammed omega attack so it was great for that run

[broken creek]

Why take fleece when fang is global

[hushed cloak]

Why take fang when all I'm clicking is oattack

[broken creek]

Cuz you arent just doing Oattack

[hushed cloak]

You can't just outright refuse any nuance man 😭

[broken creek]

Bro forgot Olympian damage exists

Plus isnt fleece only 30%

[crude dragon]

Because Fang will also buff any additional effects to your OAttack like Fine Line or Ocean Swell

[broken creek]

And fleece becomes less useful when you arent eating that much damage

[hushed cloak]

40%, Ill admit i misremembered

[elfin heron]

no mechanics matter until 45 fear? I don't like this attitude, most people aren't speedrunners or high heat players

[broken creek]

40% yeah on only omegas vs 50% global thats gonna only drop to ~25% by end boss 😭

[hushed cloak]

Not every run is gonna have Olympian damage

[broken creek]

???

What do you think blitz is, or rushes, or casts

[crude dragon]

An Omega-focused run almost certainly will

[crude dragon]

Refer back to @hushed cloak

[broken creek]

Sure but logistically something like evil eye or fleece just logically and mathematically dont do as much as fang will

So in comparison to fang they kinda stink

[crude dragon]

And of course, they especially fall flat to the almighty White Antler

[broken creek]

The game doesnt force a player to build around meta options and decisions making until 45+ because there isnt 1000 enemies a room, you having 2 boons, and a 5 minute timer down your back, so yes anything works and mechanics wont be as important

People go the whole game saying cast sucks or never using orig

[golden jewel]

Won for the first time against Chronos

[jolly wing]

If I want to have the best possible chance to get 2 moss in first night on Surface, should I turn on Frenzy fear?

[safe widget]

In hades 3 can they PLEASE stop making questlines rng based

I have been trying to get the aspect of morrigan for a week now

Artemis will not give me the right dialogue

even after night 90 something

[crude moss]

🫘

[safe widget]

It’s so annoying cuz my friend got them like 3rd time talking to Artemis

[broken creek]

Do you have all the unlock requirements proper

[safe widget]

I have max aspect of Artemis and have been using that for the last 70~ runs

[broken creek]

Do you have aspect of pan unlocked at least??

[safe widget]

I have it unlocked but not upgraded

You don’t need to upgrade both my friend has 0 levels in aspect of pan and he has them

[broken creek]

Ok as long as its unlocked that's fine, guess it is some rng bs lmao

[safe widget]

It really is

It’s so annoying cuz arachne’s questline is the same way

just doing runs until the person gives you the right dialogue

and now Eris’s questline is too, it just says I need to defeat her more times to talk again

even tho I’ve defeated her a million times now

[granite cosmos]

The most powerful weapons in the ancient greek mythology game
A gun and a jet pack that shots rockts

[safe widget]

the same mythology has a mortal teenager build a set of wings to fly like a bird (something we still can’t do today)

[crude dragon]

That's a weird way to spell "the overcooked grenade"

[crude dragon]

Well, the mortal teenager is also a ghost

[elfin heron]

Arachne's is not RNG, it's been datamined, it's just a lot of steps (16 total) and some of them require waiting X runs
https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1nz2vfa/hades_2_silk_and_spitefulness_achievement_guide/

[safe widget]

it was rng to get Athena to give me the correct dialogue to progress the quest.

[elfin heron]

it's not RNG, that part requires waiting 3 runs, it's there in the guide

[safe widget]

what am I supposed to do for eris then

[elfin heron]

you ask Athena about Arachne, then wait 3 runs, and ask her again, can't do it back to back

[safe widget]

it says I need to beat her more times but I’ve already beaten her at least 16 times

[safe widget]

I had to talk to Athena like 3-4 times before I could ask her about Arachne the first time

[elfin heron]

are you playing with the vow of rivals? fight rivals Eris at least a few times

[safe widget]

I have

I have beaten vow a lot

like half of those are the rivals version

[elfin heron]

idk, it just unlocked for me naturally, only Arachne and Icarus took a while, Icarus was the very last bond I maxed

[safe widget]

what about the daggers

am I just super unlucky

[elfin heron]

are you super sure that you have Pan unlocked (at level 1) and Artemis at level 5?

[safe widget]

I have to upgrade the pan?

[elfin heron]

the requirements are either Pan lv 1 + Artemis lv 5 or the other way around

[safe widget]

bruh

[elfin heron]

you need to unlock it

[safe widget]

on the wiki it just says Artemis level 5 or pan level 5

[elfin heron]

it's the same for every weapon, unlock both non-default aspects, max out either

[safe widget]

that’s really annoying

[elfin heron]

as for Eris, have you picked up her trash at least once?

[safe widget]

I pick it up everytime

[elfin heron]

apparently there's a random conversation where she feels depressed and Mel cheers her up, and this deepens the bond
is she at the locked heart right now?

[safe widget]

Yeah

[elfin heron]

odd though, for me she was easy to progress

[reef sail]

Autofire option is a game changer wow

Running nyx coat with chain lightning and air quality, kind of funny

[spiral beacon]

@delicate oracle Do you guys plan on releasing Hades 2 on PS4 & XBONE since it’s able to run on Nintendo Switch? 🧐

[torn wind]

Yeah on coat it lets you basically just hold special permanently and spam dash attack

[reef sail]

I need to change my binds so I can do that but man

Muscle memory

[torn wind]

The only part that becomes and issue is when you need to turn off auto fire to squeeze in a quick omega special to activate huntress or to pick off some weak enemies while you focus on the other side of the room

[reef sail]

I have it on hold not toggle

But I’m sure it will be a learning experience to get used to either way

[heady socket]

i wish there were an option where auto fire was the default and you could hold the button to activate an omega

so it'd be the opposite of hold

[reef sail]

My chain lightning didn’t even end up on the charts how sad

And I had the duo

Heroic and epic chaos sprint, and Hermes nitro

[civic magnet]

Spoilers: for the ||fates|| quest, ||how long did take you to bond with Prometheus?||

[paper comet]

Should I start hades 2 when I get the true ending of 1

[reef sail]

Sure

[jolly wing]

Has anyone ever gotten 2 Moss on first Surface run?

[jolly hound]

Unlikely

[near basin]

is scorch generally bad or what? I saw some thread saying its kinda bad based on how it works, vs one rando comment saying its the best

[red fox]

It is good

100 dps at base right out the gate

[willow fog]

Whats the equivalent of athena dash in this game

[red fox]

Athena dash

[near basin]

that was my fave from hades 1, just running with the shield doing whatever I want

[red fox]

It is still in game

[willow fog]

Ohh nice, and yeah its just so good but boring

[red fox]

It is iust very rare to see now

[willow fog]

Why so

[near basin]

how come is her pool diluted or its on less sutff?

[willow fog]

Better options or stacked odds

[red fox]

You only meet her in one region and one per run

[near basin]

which region/ surface I imagine right

[willow fog]

Oh, shes the hermes now essentially

Wait actually even hermes gets room gacha in H1

[red fox]

Hermes appear pretty often

[willow fog]

Is athena a strict 1 meeting, no rando rooms at all?

[red fox]

She just appears whenever she want

Can summon her with her keepsake

[willow fog]

I got the skele ton keepsake at least, thankfully

[near basin]

classically good keepsake

apparently not as good later on compared to knunckle bone keep sake the math folks will say, the odysseus keepsake

[willow fog]

Its hard to not get value out of it

Also very early tbh, just doing what I did in H1 tbh

[near basin]

very early its so good

[willow fog]

My main issue rn is tracking all these resources

[near basin]

once you get the option to switch keepsakes, thats a big upgrade

then you just pop the skelly keepsake on your boss you struggle wit

[willow fog]

Silver, random flowers, apparently I can fish again? But I can only pick 1 tool a run

[near basin]

you get all da tools

[willow fog]

Oh, can you choose the skele keepsake use spend

Or was it last in slot like H1

[near basin]

you can choose a keepsake early on lets say the ones that give you a rare boon then is worthless

then switch to skele after a region or two, which is by the time you run out of death defiances

[willow fog]

Oh that i knoe

I just mean the consumption order

Its death defiances before skelefiance right

[near basin]

hm good point

[willow fog]

Like H1

[near basin]

yes I think so

[willow fog]

What makes knucklebone so good

[near basin]

it gives you way more HP than a normal death defiance

[willow fog]

Oh, so its a DD variant?

[near basin]

yup

[willow fog]

Im guessing 1 DD that refills like 80% of your health

[near basin]

nomrla death defiance is 40% hp

skely gives you 100 HP by the last upgrade

[willow fog]

Wasnt it 151 hp?

Or is that upgrade gated

[near basin]

yeah 101 is 3rd rank and 151 last rank

but I think you can only get that last rank by getting the rank boon

so normally its gonna be 101 HP at most

one boon upgrades ANY keepsake you have, very good

[willow fog]

Rank Boon?

Oh, its a mid run thing?

[near basin]

yeah mid run thing

[willow fog]

Thats a shame

[near basin]

normally you can only have epic keepsakes after levelling them up

that one boon gives you +1 rank

[willow fog]

Hmmm

[near basin]

but yeah just for the match

[willow fog]

So that 1 DD is technically worth 2

[near basin]

moros has a very good keepsake as well

[willow fog]

Whats upgrading it buy you?

Engraved pin right

[near basin]

yup

its very good

[willow fog]

Whats it do

[near basin]

instead of using a death defiance, you have 10 seconds to clear the encounter

and if you clear the enemies, you regain health, and not use a death defiance

[willow fog]

Thats interetesting

You can definitely scum that

[near basin]

but, lets say you dont even clear the encounter, youre getting 10 seconds of being invincible

so its pretty good even on bosses

[willow fog]

All that strategy and planning intended just to wallop them with iframes

[crude dragon]

It is eminently abusable, yes

[willow fog]

And thats per room?

[crude dragon]

Yes

[near basin]

yeah you have 10 seconds to clear encounter

[willow fog]

10 at base? Also you're just invincible

[crude dragon]

Are you beginning to see why I shilled the Pin so hard over the Tooth?

[willow fog]

Im more amazed that never got nerfed tbh

[near basin]

the 10 seconds is always the same no matter what, but the health you may regain goes up

[crude dragon]

10 at all ranks, the rank-up bonus increases the heal you get for clearing the timer

[willow fog]

Whats the hp range

[crude dragon]

It did. It used to not count as a Death Defiance, so you could use it with Strength

[near basin]

30,45,60

[willow fog]

Lmao

Even I can tell thats a stupid interaction

[near basin]

so you could prematurely et yourself "die" lets say with one enemy left, to gain some hp

[willow fog]

60hp is a lot yeah

If the alternative was 0 hp especially

[crude dragon]

Or trigger it with environmental damage

[willow fog]

Still not used to mel's glass bones tho

She feels paradoxically faster and slower than zag

I guess less nimble is a better term

[crude dragon]

She's faster, not quicker

[willow fog]

No double dash is rough for my brain

[near basin]

what you think of metallic droplet? good if you mvoe quick?

[crude dragon]

Decent fourth-region Keepsake if your build focuses on Omegas

Speedrunners use it for the Fields

[near basin]

do you know when engraved pin better than knuckle bones or vice versa?

[crude dragon]

Pin is almost always the better choice over Bones, with the exception of a couple of Rivals fights (those being Prometheus and debatably the Sirens)

[rugged fox]

If I have 0 Magicka from priming it into the ground, does the Huntress arcana still proc?

[crude dragon]

You don't, no

[late surge]

How get n mare

[crude dragon]

Do Fear bounties

[late surge]

What those

[torn wind]

Nightmare is earned by completing testaments on the Oath of the Unseen. For every weapon it will give you a target and a fear requirement

Kill that boss on that fear requirement with that weapon to earn nightmare

[late surge]

The testaments things?

[undone sky]

Yes the testaments

[torn wind]

I said testaments yes

[late surge]

So what’s the easiest one

[torn wind]

They change randomly by night and by weapon

There is no "easiest one"

[crude dragon]

They're not random, they're a set order per weapon

[late surge]

Frenzy seems easy, 6 just to make them faster

[torn wind]

It simulatedly random from the perspective of the player in some regard

But i figured saying that would be too much

[crude dragon]

It's "easy" in that it's something you can learn, yeah

Plus it'll end up being a time save once you have gotten used to the new timings since it also increases enemy spawn-in speed

[late surge]

So I activate it and just play normally but with the challenges I selected?

[crude dragon]

Correct, and go on the route that has the marked boss

[torn wind]

You just have to clear the boss it says on the fear it says with the weapon it says. That's all

[late surge]

New timings? I just press buttons and things die

[crude dragon]

Well, things will end up getting their attacks off faster on account of you making them faster. It's 40% to all enemy speed, not just movement

[raw kraken]

5 loyalty cards and waiting 100 nights for 2, or just testaments

On the surface or summit at a high enough fear there can be claimable nightmare or on the final shops you can buy for 1300 gold

[late surge]

I haven’t unlocked getting from box

[raw kraken]

Yeah the non testament options take a little bit

I don’t know what the conditions are

[red fox]

Having enough nightmare or something like that

[nova oar]

You need to have 8 nightmare in your inventory and then talk to charon

[jolly wing]

Yes! I finally got 2 moss in the first night of Surface Run!

It took me many reloads and powerful combination of

0 2nd level Ghost Onion keepsake (it didn't level up to 3rd before it expired)

1 Epic Zeus Special

2 Trick Knives Hammer

3 Rare Static Shock

4 Hestia Rare Flash Fry

5 Double Health pick up.

[spiral beacon]

Dang 😔😤😡

[fringe dew]

hey! does anyone know the requirments to get the final version of the axe, staff, and skull? i've maxed my relationship with the necessary npcs, and i have a non melinoe weapon fully maxed. ive fully completed the main story and i still havent gotten them 😭

[radiant shuttle]

I finished the game today.

[late surge]

This is awful, I still don’t understand this

[radiant shuttle]

Typhon and Cronos are more difficult than Hades.

[late surge]

I haven’t beat typhon yet

[nova oar]

Huh?

[late surge]

I got a total of one know

[nova oar]

Then just get more

[late surge]

How do I get the full rewards, do I have to beat a full run to the boss it says

[radiant shuttle]

He's tougher than Cronos, but easy to kill; I'd say his children are tougher.

[jolly wing]

How many Shadow ingredients do you need total?

[late surge]

I hate the squid but I’ve only got it once I’ve gotten the one woman like 8 times instead

[radiant shuttle]

Each nightmare challenge features a boss; you have to activate enough fear to face it. Simply defeat the boss and die, repeat the process, and you're done.

You can only get 1 nightmare per run.

[late surge]

Then what’s the point of having higher difficulty things

[reef sail]

Each time you claim a testament the next one for that weapon requires higher fear

[radiant shuttle]

If you want nightmares to level up some aspect that isn't related to Mel, just kill the boss tied to the weapon and die.

It includes statues and achievements that you earn for completing a run with a certain amount of fear.

[jolly wing]

If my Grasp is 23, though I can order Moondust via Obol, what should I order?

I currently have 4500 Bones.

[hushed cloak]

dump bones into psyche for now and obol into moon dust

[reef sail]

Recommend psyche until you max grasp

[hushed cloak]

easier to get moon dust that way

[late surge]

There’s nothing left to level that isn’t nightmare

[radiant shuttle]

yes

[late surge]

I already maxed those weapons

[nova oar]

Yes

[reef sail]

Focus on trying to win then before going into nightmare farming I would say

[late surge]

I need to max my weapons though

[radiant shuttle]

If you get 5 nightmares, you can buy them in the shop for 1200; if you get 8, you can exchange them with Charon for 5 tickets (you get 2 nightmares).

I already arrived at Charon, over in Cronos, with 4k coins and it's pretty easy to farm.

[late surge]

5 in total or 5 at once

[radiant shuttle]

5 in total

[reef sail]

You most definitely do not need to max them before you can beat the end bosses

[radiant shuttle]

You earn 1 ticket for every thousand gold spent.

[radiant shuttle]

I beat it with Mel's twin blades.

and it was easy

They're not the best weapons for a run, but if you know how to master them, you can quickly take down the bosses.

[torn wind]

I mean honestly some of the aspects in the game practically play like an aspectless weapon

Momus

[nova oar]

Not to beat base typhon or chronos

[late surge]

But for 7 hearts with hepatitis

[nova oar]

[reef sail]

Dashing heave stronk

[jolly wing]

What prompts Chaos to give you Thalamus seeds?

I need them for an incantation, though when I met him during my run, Chaos didn't give me seeds.

[nova oar]

Rng

[digital geode]

I finally completed a run with every nocturnal arms going down, I just need a way to beat ||Typhon|| more efficiently

[reef sail]

Just keep talking to them

[jolly wing]

So I can't get the seeds on my current run?

[reef sail]

You might if you see them again

[digital geode]

Iirc there are dig spots in chaos sometimes

[reef sail]

I don’t think those show up until the conversation where you get some given to you

[digital geode]

This is true

I still need the aspect of ||Nyx|| that one material is hard to come by

[reef sail]

I take more chaos rooms than I should, I’m still h1 pilled

So I have tons of the stuff you get down there

Nyx coat is funny

[digital geode]

I wonder when I should start doing fear runs, RN my concern is story I hope I don't mess it up by going to ||Chronos|| too much

[nova oar]

You can't

[digital geode]

The story wants me to fight ||Typhon|| it seems and I just can't survive that well going up

[reef sail]

Won’t get better if you don’t keep trying

Surface was mogging me so hard until I was about 6 down wins in and then I got all my up wins basicallly back to back

[digital geode]

Actually, If that's the case then storming the story might make me loose interesting dialog

[reef sail]

Just lose to the end bosses every now and then if you want to make sure you’re seeing it all 😛

[digital geode]

I mean I did upgrade myself a bit (I got 3 DDs now compared to last time I went up and improved my chances for rare boons while also leveling up tokens)

[reef sail]

3DD is huge

[nova oar]

Never use excellence

[reef sail]

But also the summit is at least 90% trial and error

[nova oar]

Worst arcana

[reef sail]

So more exposure means you’ll learn to get hit less

[digital geode]

Excellence?

[nova oar]

The 5 grasp rarity arcana

[reef sail]

The one you mentioned that boosts rare

[broken creek]

crazy to say when unseen exists

[nova oar]

Unseen has more of a niche use and you can fight me on that

[broken creek]

me when the niche stops existing when i just pick a gain boon

[digital geode]

Oh I did that because I didn't have much else I wanted so i slapped it on

I have 30 grasp finally too

I wonder if strength is superior to 3DDs (my strength isn't upgraded)

[broken creek]

technically yeah since the effective hp is kinda absurd

although it does fall off hard the second you start seriously pushing fear

i always just used death, 99% of the time its preference anyway

[digital geode]

I am yet to use the "oath of the unseen" tbh

[digital geode]

H1 has hard codded me into thinking 3 DDs is normal 😅

[reef sail]

It’s stronger once you’re better

[nova oar]

Please tell me you're using origination and furies

[shadow grotto]

I take back what I said about anubis lol

[reef sail]

Excellence isnt detrimental or anything it’s just not worth 5 grasp

[digital geode]

I have to boot up my system to see if I am I can't remember all the arcana off the top of my head

[shadow grotto]

Flame Strike + Static shock Anubis aspect

[digital geode]

Pretty sure Im using furies but I could be wrong

[dull pike]

how do you get zag's keepsake? i know u have to ||beat him in elysium at least twice|| but what after that? only one i dont have still

[reef sail]

Furies is enemies inside your cast take bonus damage, and origination is enemies with two curses from diff gods take bonus damage. Both strong

[broken creek]

thats it

[dull pike]

well . obviously not bc i dont have it yet

[digital geode]

Then yes I am

[dull pike]

do i have to encounter him again

[broken creek]

probably, all his relationship stuff is tied to his fight so

just keep going and keep winning youll get it eventually

[digital geode]

I also neglected the unseen because I wanted to make use of the Huntress

[broken creek]

unseen just stinks anyway never take it

[nova oar]

GOOD

[reef sail]

Unseen sounded so good when I was a baby

But you can’t swing a stick in this game without hitting a gain boon

[digital geode]

Then we realize it's holds back some of our DPS

[broken creek]

its also just kinda dysfunctional

it only regends while you arent channeling so things that channel a lot like torches can barely use it

[reef sail]

Chasing huntress isn’t always worth it either tho

[broken creek]

and 5/s is so abysmally slow it wont keep up with anything that isnt like eos or smth

[digital geode]

I see, also id probably only use Excellence as a way to fulfill my prophecies

Also the queen

[reef sail]

Queen is pretty easy to activate without going out of your way

[broken creek]

queen and excellence are both arcana that dont really do anything

theyre never on a build for a reason, queen is just a byproduct of the build and no one should be using excellence

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIl0=
my normal pre credits arcana loadout would look like this

[digital geode]

I'm gonna rearrange my arcana

[heavy crow]

Spoilers doing the ||Syclla fear battle, and like its mostly super fun but why do they have the water spouts right at Roxy. Like im trying to avoid the massive full screen aoe Roxy makes but on the inside of it a bunch of water jets keep stunning me because there's no where else to go||

[broken creek]

then just switch out wayward/huntress for mana stuff when you want it

[broken creek]

its to dissuade you just camping behind her which i understand just their hit detection is dogwater

but it also has a blindspot in the top left corner funny enough

[digital geode]

Is Night even usable? When are you gonna chain omega attacks?

[broken creek]

not really lol its on most sets to activate moon

[crude dragon]

Momus, Shiva, sometimes Than

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I use Night 100% of the time when on Scars 3 because there's nothing else to activate and it's useful for being able to use hexes

[digital geode]

I just use eternity

[merry whale]

can heracles show up in olympus midshop?

i don't rember if i've seen him there or not

[heavy crow]

||They shouldn't be right on Roxy, makes the fight kinda bs. Or they should at least not activate on the move where you're supposed to be where they shoot||

[bitter stirrup]

Eos makes use of Night too

[broken creek]

eternity kinda stinks once you get better at the game icl

[bitter stirrup]

Fight would be a lot easier, maybe too easy if they weren't there

[broken creek]

you can stand in front of her and be fine, just dont try to camp behind her and youre fine

[digital geode]

I'm guessing swapp stuff out for rerolls

[broken creek]

yeah smth like this should be the pre jpom goto

[digital geode]

Fates the enchantress and the champions

[broken creek]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMyIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzEwIiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE3IiwiYzE4Il0=
and this is what i use when you do get to post credits stuff

[heavy crow]

Maybe im just tired but it looked like they were infront of her too.

||Plus the tentacles where right there too and i hadnt yet killed them||

[reef sail]

Reroll corner is mandatory according to most people

[nova oar]

You need to take out the tentacles, then camp roxy

[broken creek]

then yeah thats needing to be more comfy in the fight

roxy becomes much less of a priority in rivals because charybdis is such a problem

lemme snag my damageless 62f to show

[reef sail]

Charybdis is awful even just in thessaly

I can not do that fight well to save my life

[heavy crow]

They werent really a problem for me. I killed most of the tentacles in like 3 seconds and their attack pattern is easy.

Just getting hit with "hey here's a stun combo now you die" sucked

[broken creek]

https://youtu.be/UAyViYUrV7g

[digital geode]

Yeah it's annoying when the god I want doesn't show up and or gives me the wrong boons

They are all level 1 arcana though 😅

I need to upgrade them

[reef sail]

Mhm same, I need to work on my dust situation

[broken creek]

thats a damageless scylla to look through if it helps at all

[heavy crow]

Prob just need to do the fight a second time.

Idk why but every boss i get on the second try for the most part

[digital geode]

I'm curious what about the swift runner and the sorcerers and artificer

[broken creek]

swift runner is deceptivley good, sorceress is weapon dependant, and artificer is great

[bitter stirrup]

Artificer is kind of hard to fit in while you're still using rerolls, but once you aren't anymore, Artificer is something you should have 100% of the time

[digital geode]

I'll take this info in mind now

[reef sail]

I soured myself on artificer early on when it locked me into terrible gods for my build

But that’s probably on me for using it in erebus instead of waiting til my pool is set

[bitter stirrup]

Nah it should definitely be used as early as possible

I heard there's a strat to save one use for Fields cause it's possible to get an extra hammer but I haven't done that

[broken creek]

yeah its whole thing is just more major rewards in super dry areas

and for high fear that means you use it fully like halfway through erebus

[digital geode]

Wait what about the messenger?

[reef sail]

And just hope that you don’t get trash gods?

[broken creek]

also deceptivley good

[broken creek]

just dont be bad at the game lol

4 god pool being forced into 1 or 2 wont do anything bad to you

just learn your synergies and how to make them work, theres no real such thing as trash gods in the game you can make anything work anywhere

[torn wind]

Messenger arcana is a lot of safety since, if I’m correct, it has more i-frames than normal dodges

[broken creek]

especially since every god will have something useful, heph has trusty, pos/hestia on non on hit weapons still have great casts and ez curses(and really solid gains), aphro has her gain and cast, etc etc

its about the same iirc

but using it intentionally makes it really strong, and not using it intentionally it still makes your cast super safe to get off

[torn wind]

Either way it lets you stay stationary while getting I-frames

Which is a considerable strength given the circumstance

If it lets you stay better positioned while still avoiding damage

[broken creek]

it can save you from so many messy situations espeically at high fear

like a mean chronos time slow its fr just a 2nd dash atp

or like a really bad rivals scylla pattern

[torn wind]

Yeah the ability to override dash cooldown is great

[heavy crow]

Nemi is a theif I hate her

[broken creek]

her biggest weakness is pause buffering

[fathom lake]

Hades 2 balance its so cool
It mentally hurts me to try and go back to hades

[broken creek]

or just being fast

[broken creek]

yeah hades1 had super rough balance

so many boons were just useless fluff and builds revolved around duos and legendaries to a point where climbing fear meant it was actually terrible

[shadow grotto]

she's still hot

[agile shoal]

i think || dream dive rivals Scylla needs a nerf||

[heavy crow]

shes not dora

[nova oar]

She's the exact same?

[torn wind]

She’s buffed health-and-damage-wise

[agile shoal]

Actually || depending on the order you face the bosses they are harder, so if you face typhon first he does 50% less damage i believe. but if you face beginner bosses in later regions you're cooked||

[nova oar]

yeah I know that

[torn wind]

If you encounter her in the same place in Region 2 she’s 25% stronger

So yeah all UW bosses received a buff

[nova oar]

Just the scaling, rather than more moves

[agile shoal]

||Yeah exactly i think she needs to be scaled less than the other bosses||

[nova oar]

Andf no, the scaling shouldn't be nerfed

[torn wind]

Still makes it harder for most players who are already getting hit

[nova oar]

It's supposed to be a challenge

[torn wind]

Normal rivals Scylla was enough of a challenge

[agile shoal]

This

[nova oar]

Eh

I disagree

[torn wind]

Rivals Scylla is already top 3 if not top 1 hardest bosses

That’s from a group consensus I see in the high fear community

[wispy storm]

I'm torn on whether dream dives are supposed to be a pushing-your-limits mode because the brochure describes it as "breezy" which makes me think the UW buffs are supposed to make them on-par with surface rather than exceeding (esp considering some surface encounters are debuffed

[agile shoal]

Rivals scyla is bullet hell, honestly. I feel like im playing undertale/deltarune, not hades

[nova oar]

Yeah cause you don't play uw

[torn wind]

It varies by player

[proud swift]

If its meant to be a challenge why make the easy bosses easier?

[nova oar]

It's supposed to be hard imo

[torn wind]

And I just said that’s by group consensus not me

[broken creek]

"supposed to be a challenge" and hecate has a 9x multiplier on her hp

and frenzy4 is a thing

[torn wind]

It’s entirely up to what you struggle with that determines if rivals Scylla or Chronos or heroes or Typhon is harder

[agile shoal]

Also this

[broken creek]

the scaling in dream dive genuinley has a bunch of problems they didnt think it through

like ive seen strong antler r4s still take a while on bosses

[torn wind]

Rivals Scylla was already hard enough that any time I see doing 65 or 67 they joke and say “hooray I won” when they beat r-Scylla

[agile shoal]

Instead of a multiplier per region bosses should have individual multipliers

[torn wind]

Just when a boss is already MECHANICALLY hard you don’t need to make them just tankier even if they appear at the same place

[agile shoal]

Because its essentially -25% -> 25% ect if im not wrong

[wispy storm]

I do think that r4 Chronos and r4 Typhon should be at least slightly scaled up because that's fun and interesting to me, and in-theme for 'greatest fears', but if it's community concensus they're overtuned as of current it should maybe be lessened

[agile shoal]

I agree

[torn wind]

You can find the dream dive region-stats on H2Crossroads

[broken creek]

rivals prom ends up being like 2 typhons worth of hp 😭

[torn wind]

1.8x health on region 4

When they’re already one of the tankiest bosses in the game

[broken creek]

like genuinely these scalings are absurd since for whatever reason they decided to make dream dive hp mods and grit be multiplicitive instead of additive iirc

[agile shoal]

He is so fun though || i love beating up gay people 😍 /j (im queer myself)||

[bitter stirrup]

And Olympus and Summit were already basically equal difficulty-wise, but they made Olympus basically twice as hard if you get it R4 lol

[wispy storm]

Wait is vow of grit applied before or after the dreamdive multiplier or is it additive

[torn wind]

Their base health value I think is then multiplied by grit

[broken creek]

it doesnt matter if its multiplicitive 1.3 * 1.8 is the same as 1.8 * 1.3

[proud swift]

Beautiful goddess with homophobia. 💚❤️

[agile shoal]

The homophobia in melinoes eyes is so beautiful

[torn wind]

Well if it was 1.8+.3 that would be different

That was the point

[heavy crow]

Ok no that was an even more Bs attempt

She just keeps on spamming the move of remove 90% of the field as Scylla spams going invincible and dashing at me while I have 0 space to move around

[broken creek]

stop hard targeting roxy and she'll stop doing that

[heavy crow]

I wasnt targeting her at all

[torn wind]

Scylla just kinda always does that

[broken creek]

her arena wide aoe is triggered more if youre damaging her

[heavy crow]

I was on the other side of the map trying to kill the tentacles and roxy decided to use that move 5 times in a row

[agile shoal]

Also i despise jetty's stuns

[short jay]

Just unlocked the hotspring you know what that means!

[torn wind]

Yeah Roxy doesn’t have to be attacked to spam the map-wide effect AFAIK

[broken creek]

yeah but it happens wayyyy less

[agile shoal]

What order should i fight rivals scylla

[broken creek]

since its lowkey her combo break thing

[heavy crow]

Unless you're unlucky like me

[broken creek]

my goat

[heavy crow]

and I shoulda just targeted her so I wouldnt have to worry about not having a map for the fight

[torn wind]

If you can you just bum rush them with hitch while they’re grouped up but otherwise go run off and kill the tentacles and just keep track of Roxy patterns

[wispy storm]

You should ideally be switching your focus a lot rather than hard-targetting, they all tend to do a 'get-away-from-me' move that you should react to while pivoting between em

[broken creek]

but yeah thats a damagless 62f i did if yall want reference

take out a few tentacles to make space, then im starting to like getting scylla and jetty down after that and handle roxy almost last because her waves are a non issue

[agile shoal]

Im trying to do the dd prophecy with the blades 😭

Does hera work with them?

[heavy crow]

I tried that, Roxy decided no map for me

[broken creek]

hera works on everything yeah

[torn wind]

Hera is just free damage on rivals Scylla

[agile shoal]

I guess

[wispy storm]

-# my main strategy with roxy is honestly just trying to game out of my mind i'm not gonna lie if she's featured artist it's fight or flight at that point there's no strategy it's just oh god oh no movements

[heavy crow]

I also use the umbrella flames so there's a chance some stray shots hit her and she decided that I needed to be in her face

[agile shoal]

I love moros sm, its like a moving nuke that cradles the player like a baby

Especially in ea

[frosty veldt]

Just watched the under 5 min speedrun, hot damn. Taking notes

[bitter stirrup]

Roxy feature is not that bad imo since you can just kinda ignore her while focusing on the others, just save your dash when possible

[torn wind]

Charybdis feature

[wispy storm]

This is a good tip, removing Charybdis from a section of the map can serve as a safe spot to fall back on if needed, making the tentacles near Roxy particularly nice to remove

[torn wind]

Save the big steam tanks so you can kill Scylla or Jetty using them in phase 2

The closest tank can also kill one of the tentacles

[crude dragon]

It's alright

[nova oar]

what about the sub 4

[torn wind]

They probably meant surface

[frosty veldt]

It was surface, yeah

Meant to respond to Kol but both work, I guess lol

Time to try jpom for the first time

[lean bronze]

youll never stop

[jolly wing]

I met Chaos a second time in the same run. They haven't given me the Thalamus seeds....

[frosty veldt]

Probably, needed to switch up my build. I just started a week ago so should be fun to change things up

[heavy crow]

game please I do not want more bones, you have given me over 500 bones this run

[torn wind]

bad to the bone riff

[lean bronze]

jpom start is the widely agreed upon meta

[torn wind]

Jpom makes getting “the build” less likely but makes a lot more builds capable of being “a build”

Like you will have several more builds that are viable than you would by running god keepsakes

Since the scaling on some boons with Poms is absurd

[frosty veldt]

It’ll take some getting used to not relying on death defiance but I’d say I’ve rarely used them the last 8-10 wins

[torn wind]

If you already weren’t using them then yeah strength will make it even less likely

[frosty veldt]

Doing more dmg overall is a good payoff so rooms die faster

[torn wind]

Strength allows some enemies to be one-shot by moves that wouldn’t have otherwise

So makes early clear a lot faster on tons of weapons from not having to two-tap enemies

[frosty veldt]

Just did Hecate and haven’t taken damage yet so that’s a good sign

Only on 8 fear tho

Do you have to keep jpom on or is it like everlasting the entire run after a region?

[torn wind]

As long as you don’t take a keepsake that would break fates whim all fates whim keepsake remain active indefinitely

Or until their effect is fully used obviously

But jpom is indefinite

[frosty veldt]

Maybe I’ll just keep it on to level it up first run

[torn wind]

That’s 100% valid

If you have the incantation that doubles keepsake level speed, it should only take two runs

[frosty veldt]

I do, yeah

[torn wind]

Then yeah it should only be 25 encounters per level so then two runs

[frosty veldt]

So what’s the keepsake people switch to after that? And after that? Lol

All the fates?

[torn wind]

For speed, Fig Leaf

For fear, Time Piece

[frosty veldt]

I do love that one

[torn wind]

If you’re desperately hunting a hammer then take Icarus for underworld region 2 since it will last all the way through Chronos

For survivability or to keep an Arachne dress use sash

[frosty veldt]

Gotchya

[torn wind]

Calling card is viable if you’re going for Hephaestus blasts or anything Hermes

[frosty veldt]

Hammer was first pick so I’m good for now

[torn wind]

Keep in mind if you take sash that damage dealt to armor ignores strength and other damage reduction

But honestly sash is pretty unnecessary unless you’re doing like a channel speed build and want to keep lavender dress for the 40% speed

The other option is ghost onion

[frosty veldt]

Hmm, okay. Lots to try out

Thank you

[torn wind]

No problem. Basically the exact loadout you’ll probably use for pushing fear is jpom, time piece, hammer/gorgon/droplet/tooth/sash/onion, then fang/white antler

Time piece R2 is just too great

[hushed cloak]

no fig leaf?

[torn wind]

I said for pushing fear

Fig can save time if you desperately need it

But so does being able to buy boons when you have forfeit

Usually killing stuff faster saves time

[hushed cloak]

fair i guess

[torn wind]

Fig is for speedruns where second gains matter

And when you don’t have debt or forfeit you’re basically never gonna be short on gold

High fear speedrunning is a different story but then fig gains even more value due to longer encounters

[frosty veldt]

I feel broken already lol, this is gonna be fun

[torn wind]

Yeah jpom makes early game absurdly strong before you get build synergy and duos

[frosty veldt]

Is ferret the most picked for high fear or depends on weapon choice?

[torn wind]

Gale yeah since pain 3 scars 3 makes taking any hits matter way more

Nearly every max fear clear on record uses Gale, exception being on Nergal which can heal or some people trying for Raki Circe

Being able to negate potentially over 100 damage per region is massive

Especially since max fear doesn’t let you have lovers arcana

It’s why snow queen, nitro boost and trusty shield are god tier on max fear

[frosty veldt]

Level 8 heroic heaven strike on axe… hilarious

[torn wind]

That’s gotta be like 250 base damage right?

Insanely strong

[frosty veldt]

310 blitz

[torn wind]

Sheeeeesh

Yeah blitz Pom scaling is insane

[frosty veldt]

Using maxed aspect of melinoe axe as well lol

[torn wind]

Mel axe is fun

(When I can actually get the hammers I need)

No dashing heave or seething marauder? Damn that sucks

[frosty veldt]

Ended with level 11 heroic heaven strike. Good times

[reef sail]

Does the omove that triggers flood gain have its cost refunded?

Or does the refund only apply for usage after the trigger move

[torn wind]

And just like that. I hit the build

Room 3 dashing and R3 Room 1 Seething

[torn wind]

Yes all abilities including ones getting free magick or that activate it count for the refund

[reef sail]

Sea Star hit the onion I got for failing a hitless challenge

[frosty veldt]

Maxed raki and torches with crit seems like a fun build to try out

Does gale protect from losing perfect image?

[nova oar]

Yes

[frosty veldt]

Ty, too bad I didn’t realize you don’t take them into chaos trials lol

[torn wind]

All things that cause health or damage to not be removed from your health bar cause any "on-taking-damage" effects to not activate

Including unseen ire, revenge effects, and losing perfect image

[frosty veldt]

I still don’t get the love for Medea skulls… but I got the trial done with it

[torn wind]

It just does absurd damage is all

It's hyper mobile and has among the highest damage output in the game

The two-hit is also very good for dealing with wards if you add on static shock or blitz

[frosty veldt]

Yeah, I just don’t like the playstyle but I need to learn what to pick… as the things I’ve been picking are not good for it lol

[torn wind]

Medea is good not because it's easy

[frosty veldt]

I get that, it’s definitely unique

[torn wind]

It is one of the hardest weapons in the game to play

Also posted a mel axe run in the vic boasting if you want build ideas

[frosty veldt]

Like when you charge up the skulls then use special to hit an enemy. Is it based off your special skill or attack skill?

[torn wind]

I lost blitz at end shop to a vow of denial sacrifice but it was fine sine I had additional power anyways so the % was probably better

[torn wind]

Both

That's why it's so strong

The attack and special both hit and it applies both effects

[frosty veldt]

Hmm okay, I didn’t have one on either so that’s probably why I wasn’t seeing much. It was a quick trial tho

[torn wind]

Yeah not having an attack or special on medea is definitely not ideal

But it can get pretty far without them cause it just does that much damage even boonless

Medea is insanely good at apply origination or doing stuff like blitz

[reef sail]

Just had my fastest run by a whole 5 minutes

[torn wind]

The special on medea hits before the attack

So having blitz on special means the attack then instantly does enough damage to pop it

[frosty veldt]

Do you get harder trials after doing them all or is the greater ones, the extent of it?

[torn wind]

Great Chaos Above/Below are the final chaos trials

We love getting room 1 giga cleaver on charon but getting howling soul which makes the entire weapon not function right

[buoyant matrix]

makes double dipping impossible but the safety is good

i think my uw 62 was with howling actually

[torn wind]

eww

But yeah we love double dip charon

[jolly wing]

What’s more important?

• Get Fishing Rod now and use it for one night
• Save bronze for Weapon upgrade incantation

I have 2 Bronze.

[torn wind]

Unlocking weapon upgrading likely activates more incantations, as well as the materials needed for the weapon upgrades, than the fishing rod would

So probably better to take that so you know what to hunt for

[sweet cove]

You need a separate incantation to sell fishes anyway, go with weapons

[jolly wing]

Hopefully Chaos gives me seeds on this run.

I already got.

[granite wigeon]

All my homies hate fishing

[torn wind]

All that fish get you in this game is bones and 1 water per run if you get the incantation for that

[torn wind]

If you're saying that in relation to the story you should spoiler mark it

[jolly wing]

Even in discussion?

[granite wigeon]

Isn't it #h2-for-new-players is spoilerer free and this one isn't

[torn wind]

(BEWARE: Tag all v1.0 spoilers! Please be sensitive to new players.)

[jolly wing]

Only need to do surface suicide run one time. Got 2 moss in first surface run.

[granite wigeon]

Bruh everything post first region is spoiler in the new players chat lmao

[nova oar]

Yes?

[granite wigeon]

Waitybad that might be the fire region

[torn wind]

Well this is normal discussion chat

[granite wigeon]

Or is that fields

Pretty sure it's the first Region

[frosty veldt]

Whoever decided the chaos trials difficulties, makes me laugh. Some of the highest ones, are the easiest cause they give you a whole loadout to start with

[torn wind]

Funny you already did everything in underworld before ever touching the surface even though you made so much of your life harder by waiting

[nova oar]

It works the opposite way it looks, if that makes sense

[nova oar]

They're doing some weird kind of challenge run

[sweet cove]

Mean while the 3 star Mel coat one just bodies me I really suck with the coat lmao.

[frosty veldt]

So, the lower the purple eyes, the harder?

[torn wind]

I mean fresh-file credits would be a possible category

[frosty veldt]

Or pink

[torn wind]

But it would also be like multiple hours long

[sweet cove]

No the more eyes the harder it is

[nova oar]

It appears so yes, not that it makes much sense

[torn wind]

More eyes means harder

Thats what the info tab states

[nova oar]

Since when

The trials don't really correlate to that imo

But they're all easy anyway

[frosty veldt]

I mean, I haven’t failed one yet. Besides my first greater cause the weapon I got, I never used

[torn wind]

A 1 and a 5 are obviously different

Like yeah they're all easy to you but you're not the everyday player

[frosty veldt]

True

[torn wind]

The everyday player is intimidated by 32 fear and I'm playing 50 for fun right now

[sweet cove]

I love them solely for education purposes, the trials I mean

[frosty veldt]

Getting aspect of Medea on my 1st greater run when I’ve never used it.:. I got whooped

[sweet cove]

It helped me a lot demonstrating builds I never thought about early on

[frosty veldt]

Yeah, that’s why I’ve enjoyed them. Giving me more build ideas. Just had all level 9 Hera boons and it was so fun

Just run around and hit everything, then watch them all die

What do the flags do? I never let them stay up enough to see

[ebon sigil]

Man, rivals Chronos and typhon are still pretty hard when you see them region 1 in the dream dives.

[frosty veldt]

Didn’t know that was possible

[ebon sigil]

I just face rivals typhon with only a single heph boon on attack and no gain with Artemis blades, I ran out of magic so couldn’t block or reposte anymore. That basically did me in

[frosty veldt]

Sounds like a nightmare, not a dream.

[ebon sigil]

I turned off rivals and did a nicer run. But late game rivals are hard when your build isn’t in yet.

They scale their damage and life down, but it’s still way hard.

[frosty veldt]

Rivals is def interesting, I’ve only seen two so far. ||poison cyclops was a pain my first time cause I didn’t see the healing pools from Hades 1||

[balmy jacinth]

what boons have synergy with argent skull? if any?

i was thinking apollo

[ebon sigil]

They work with most everything.

[torn wind]

If you're going for possessed array hammer then you need a very strong gain and a % attack boon

Otherwise just go crazy skull works with just about anything

It's got a decently fast fire rate and a pretty middle-of-the-road damage per hit

So both flat or % are viable

[ebon sigil]

The getting possessed without good gain doesn’t feel good

[balmy jacinth]

sweet ty

[torn wind]

Yeah it can basically only be sustained by Cardio, Flood, or Born gain

And Cardio and Flood need rarity or Poms to keep up

[ebon sigil]

Cardio can do it?

[torn wind]

With jpom it's 8 magick at common

12 are epic

[ebon sigil]

Born can run out if you don’t pick up a few bottles, especially if you prime with other skills

[torn wind]

Yeah cardio can sustain without needing max magick

But max magick holds off how long it takes to run out on cardio

And flood gain needs the duration and max magick so it doesn't ruin you on downtime

All of them benefit from stacking max magick

[ebon sigil]

I don’t like the downtime on flood