h2-discussion

[deep harbor]

Like that's just me. Hera is fantastic on a lot of weapons and aspects, heck I might try her on Axe sometime, but i've had great success with Aphro

[torn wind]

Thanatos is strongest when you turn into a lawn mower and spam omega attack with psychic whirlwind

[jolly hound]

Not against bosses tho

[cunning laurel]

i reckon even zeus is better than aphro

[torn wind]

Arc flash than

Amazing

[jolly hound]

It’s not easy to do but premium service on Thanatos is very fun, you chop so fast

[deep harbor]

I do use the omega beyblade sometimes but i mostly take than for the faster swing speed.

otherwise I'd just play Mel axe for the extra health

[torn wind]

If you’re sprinting around the room with psychic whirlwind then you can just hit everything without standing still and using big slow swings

[deep harbor]

relying on hitting a specific hammer though.

[torn wind]

That’s how a lot of aspects are

Genuinely. When you get to high fear or speed the viability of a weapon is heavily based on whether it is hammer-dependent

Such as Nergal being high tier IF you get psychic

Like I’m just saying from the perspective of somebody who has seen how people speedrun or high-fear the aspect

[deep harbor]

fair

[torn wind]

You absolutely CAN play any weapon any way you want

Just there’s often a reason why people run certain weapons in certain ways and not other

And it’s very much whether something is faster for speed runs or more consistent at high fear

I’ve done funny runs but I usually have to fall back on certain builds to make my life easier when I’m trying to actually do well

[deep harbor]

Genuine question, is Ares good in any build? Probably but that's why I'm asking, I almost never want anything he does.

[crude dragon]

Attack on Medea Skull and Shiva Coat, Attack or Special on Selene Coat for the Wounds T2s, and he's never "bad" as much as he is overshadowed by other options

[tired iris]

Ugh, the Chronos fight is such cheese. Now I know what the second instakill attack looks like I can dodge that one too. Definitely lacking compared to Hades, who was hard but at least fair and had no instakills

I decided to try to beat him without looking at a guide or video, kind of ruins the surprise. But I'm glad ||Typhon|| is such a good boss to make up for it.

[torn wind]

If you’re going heinous he’s good on any weapon tbh. I also quite like cut above and storm ring, blades can be funny. Sword ring can do an absurd amount of damage in the right setups. Had sword ring doing 1000 damage per hit once and dropping twice every time with cutting edge

Also grievous blow or mutual destruction is a significant damage buff since its multiplicative rather than additive

#h2-victory-boasting message

He’s definitely far from the top and isn’t optimal to focus on as a main god but often isn’t a bad option if offered

[jolly hound]

If you enter ephyra and see Apollo Zeus and ares, get wounds and light smite from Apollo, then get henious affront and general grievous and then you’ll have a real good time. I beat 50 fear doing this

[deep harbor]

so i should look for a four armed droid with lightsabers?

[tired iris]

He's not the droid you're looking for

[jolly hound]

yep

[torn wind]

No cause he’s a cyborg

[jolly hound]

point is henious light smite in particular is incredible it’s like having four lightsabers

Requires a fair bit of luck to make it happen but it’s a run winner

[torn wind]

Yeah or success rate divine vengeance heinous affront

Success rate DV can do crazy damage

Especially if you card it up to heroic for 80% repeat chance

[simple sierra]

When this game came out I grinded hard to get nearly all achievements done including great chaos above, but coming back to it months later now realizing I still have the hard version of ||typhon|| left but I've forgotten everything

Is there anything that's changed since release in terms of favourite builds and things? I remember everything feeling pretty well balanced

[timid hatch]

Is going for either Ephyra midboss ever a good idea?

The boar and the satyr both seem much harder fights than Polyphemus. Maybe harder than Eris.

[jolly hound]

If you want their boon

[bitter stirrup]

Boar is pretty easy with range though the hitboxes are kinda jank, Satyr I almost never go for unless it's like Zeus or Hera

[jolly hound]

Satyr in particular it helps to break the crystal asap

[timid hatch]

If it can be pretty easy with range maybe I should go out of my way to practice it even if it costs me some runs up front? I definitely had range just now but went from full DDs to dead in one fight, hah.

It also seems to have one of the strongest benefits from shadow servants

[crude dragon]

Yeah, though you usually wanna go for them as your fifth or sixth room

I believe that the region 1 minibosses have increased Duo chance, which is real nice for when you're looking for specific ones and the stars align

[bitter stirrup]

Just have to know when the shockwaves are coming out and dash through or away, Corrosion from Medea makes the fight easier, Hitch from Hera makes it easier too

[mortal dragon]

the boar is one of those bosses that I absolutely shred or it kills me, no in between

[mint tiger]

BOOO LET me curse damm you

BUT YES.... I FING DID IT. IM FINNALY NIGHTS CHAMPOIN
it was soooo hard

[placid locust]

I upgrades Charon to max relationship level and have his boon to Rank 3. What does the max relationship do other than the icon next to his boon?

[mint tiger]

now i get to play with low fear for a bit and feel a gaint breath of freash air

[jolly hound]

I shut off hordes 3 and suddenly am getting sub 10 min wins in uw easily

[rare summit]

I just unlocked the Cape and it's rapidly becoming my favorite weapon

It's so weird but so fun

[bitter stirrup]

I hated it at first because of the weird animations but it's now my 2nd favorite

[rare summit]

The lock on is super satisfying vs bosses

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah even the normal special has pretty good auto-aim

[jolly hound]

I just hit the button, I don’t even try to aim it

works out great

[rare summit]

Fates: "Have you ever seen Macross in Hades 2?"
Mel: "No...?"
Fates: "WOULD YOU LIKE TO?!"

[short frigate]

Just saw that Hades 2 is coming to PS5. Any idea if Hades 1 will be discounted on PS during that release?

[lean bronze]

am i somehow the only one who is magically unable to use the coat effectively

[bitter stirrup]

Like I said easiest thing to do is just turn on auto-fire and hold special

You can press attack and it won't interrupt the specials coming out

I heard the best coat players don't use auto-fire, it just makes it easier for me

[bitter stirrup]

Lost a Gale block and a DD on Morrigan 58f because I forgot to switch keepsakes to Pin 🤪

Got Survive Survive Survive next room 🤪

[static flax]

Yo guys I just checked the blog post and it says that the ps5 version will be running on 120fps
Is that even possible?

[quick crescent]

dude i cannot get raki to spawn at all

i have done over 10 runs to chronos and havnt gotten a single fountain room

this is actually starting to piss me off

i have done in total 30 runs to chronos and gotten the fountain room once and raki didnt spawn

[wispy storm]

If your TV/monitor supports that framerate yeah

[static flax]

I mean I have a monitor that supposed to support 120fps but I don't think I have played a game that has that option on the ps5😭

We'll be greatful for a stable 60 FPS

[wispy storm]

yeah it seems like it's only a select few games on the console support it, in my experience ps5 stuff is either brand new and graphically intensive so it settles for 60 with lowered settings, or older games that could run at 60 or 120 on the machine like arkham knight remain frustratingly locked at 30 same as their original release because ig no dev came in to unlock it with a simple patch

very glad to see h2 is taking advantage of the good hardware and not limiting itself (same with docked mode on switch 2 it seems!)

[wispy storm]

Random observation but with a friend of mine planning to play H2 for the first time after the console ports release, I'm thinking abt the design differences between H1 and H2 and man do I love the H2 movement changes. I really like that as opposed to H1's very simple i-frames i-frames i-frames approach for dodging, with you not really being able to "reposition" without expending your i-frames, H2 really bumps up the complexity and fun by instead going half i-frames half repositioning and designing the enemies to match, the way you move through combat encounters in H2 is so varied and fun because you can decide to not only dodge attacks if timed right but also supplement that with limiting enemy movement and running over somewhere to take advantage of a sprint effect, it's just a really smart change, and somewhat a little brave because on release people were clammoring for double dashes iirc

(Don't get me wrong though, H1's simplicity in dodging is in of itself good too! it gives the game its own pace and things feel very snappy, it's a both-are-great but i really appreciate the depth of what they chose to go with for H2 )

[prisma monolith]

I remember people used to hate the mov change because they couldn't dash spam

[wispy storm]

I always lament when I see newcomers saying they haven't been ever useing the cast becuase it's as important as dashing if not more and you never see anyone saying "i've been playing this whole time without dashing"

[prisma monolith]

Yeah new people often underestimate the power of cast, been there myself, but at its worst is a free root for very little to no requirement

[wispy storm]

exaactly, though to be fair in H1 i similarly misjudged how useful the bloodstone was at first before i started experimenting more (slightly different because that's just a different kind of damage rather than a core part of repositioning)

[near hatch]

do the weapons show how many victories u have?

[prisma monolith]

I believe the record keeper does?

But cant say I have checked myself

[near hatch]

so used it showing it on the victory screen

[near hatch]

ill double check

it does btw

[balmy orbit]

greatest of all time

[lean bronze]

medea aspect vs typhon is so satisfying
no aiming even, just pure smash

[graceful sundial]

medea feels like cheating once you get it down

worked my way through 32 fear with it

[gritty dew]

Lost my first 45 fear cus I got cocky and thought I could phase chronos out of the instakill lmao

Wasn’t even rivals chronos and I had a ton of health left so had all but won before that too

[torn wind]

Yeah I rarely go for challenging the instakill unless I absolutely need it for a PB or have armor to tank it

[prisma monolith]

How many runs till eris leaves?

[split shuttle]

once u push it higher tho it starts to become messy, like 50+ id say is where you gotta play like your life is on the line

[split shuttle]

after 10 runs (fresh save file)

[prisma monolith]

So on the 10th run shes gone

Or run 11?

[split shuttle]

run 11 shes gone

[shut needle]

No more free resources from her, sad

[prisma monolith]

wdym?

she gives anything

[cunning laurel]

when she curses you she gives some

[jolly hound]

I’ll get one path of stars for lunar ray armor for this exact reason

I had a 30 second chronos fight yesterday he even said wow you whooped my ass that time

Is it time I start doing antler or am I coward

[torn wind]

Yeah that or taking howl exclusively to dodge the isntakill

[cunning laurel]

do you mean in speedruns or fear

[jolly hound]

yes

I got sub 10 on 32 yesterday (turns out hordes was in fact slowing me down)

[cunning laurel]

who couldve guessed 😭

[jolly hound]

I got a 9:30 Mel axe somehow I’m like what weapon has the worst time gonna speedrun that one

[cunning laurel]

just start taking antler and get a feel for how dangerous it actually is

[jolly hound]

That’s my second fastest uw

[tired iris]

Am I misremembering, or has the average usefulness of boons gone way up since the first game? There were a couple killer boons I always wanted, plus usually Aph or Demeter for my main damage, but then also a lot of chaff I didn't care about. Now most gods seem to have some really, really nice stuff!

[cunning laurel]

yep thats what makes 2 so good

[torn wind]

Yeah in H2 there's genuinely very few boons that I don't say "ah cool I'll take that" to

[jolly hound]

howling soul

[torn wind]

I meant to say wolf howl and corrected myself

[jolly hound]

wolf howling soul, where it jumps out of the way of the target at the last second

ya know what’s annoying tho is my singular 50f clear in uw used howling soul (also had an epic Zeus special on moros so played it out)

It was a liability except against chronos, sticking storm rings to him is prob what made me win

[ebon sigil]

I love how it sticks the cast tbh

[jolly hound]

To a tree most of the time

[tired iris]

Hmm, can't say I like the Prometheus fight much. His attacks all look basically the same, and a pattern-matching minigame doesn't seem like it really belongs in a boss fight (especially one that does such an absurd amount of damage. So far Hecate is the only titan fight that was ever fun, I'm kind of suspicious that in whatever the strong-boss mode is in this game they'll just make her morph curse just instantly kill you or something

[split shuttle]

she doesnt

[prisma monolith]

yup, can confirm thats not the case

[tired iris]

Well that's a nice change, at least one Titan will probably stay fun then

[split shuttle]

if u dont like prom i dont think youre gonna like the stronger version of him

[jolly hound]

sadly you gotta just memorize stuff to get good at him. Practice by only looking at two factor authentication codes one time before logging in. Harder to remember six numbers than it is 5. Also call out the numbers as he’s going, it helps more than you’d think. And yes rivals Prometheus is a ball ache

even worse is that he has such a reasonable motivation for being an antagonist that I find myself wanting to shake his hand before fights

ufc fist bump or whatever

[violet shuttle]

Holy crap the typhon rivals fight was crazy

The first half was pretty easy since I'm great at handling base chronos, and typhon is getting much easier, but the golden ring part was insane

Burned all my death defiance there

[jolly hound]

yeah you gotta just practice dodging

in practice gotta get smoked by him a few times then you’ll get it

[unkempt zodiac]

I disagree with this. While at first I was really annoyed that rivals prom was what it was, especially the memory attack becoming super hard for me, I eventually came to realize that the rivals addition actually patches up a lot of the problems with prometheus, like the downtime and his lack of presence in the arena

Imo cerb, eris, and prom are better in rivals, scylla and typhon are similar in quality, and hecate, chronos, and poly are worse in rivals

Needless to say I am not a huge fan of underworld rivals 💀

[tired iris]

I'm sure I won't. The boss fights are definitely the low point of this game for me, with a couple exceptions. Not looking forward to them being even worse.

[unkempt zodiac]

||but scylla rivals is still way more fun than charybdis aaaa||

[unkempt zodiac]

You'll like em more over time probably, at least if you plan to push your skill. Unfortunately hades has to be designed with a mentality of "you're not supposed to reasonably be able to play hitless" which does kinda hurt boss design imo

[tired iris]

Why do you say it has to be designed with that mentality?

[unkempt zodiac]

It's roguelikes being roguelikes

They want you to get good builds

Which means it has to be unreasonable to win without builds

Which means it has to be a little bs

[tired iris]

H1 you could play basically hitless, thanks to Zag being so much dodgier than Mel

[unkempt zodiac]

hades 1 is kinda way more bs than hades 2 imo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Zag doesn't have ranged options like mel

[tired iris]

I mean, it wasn't easy, or probably possible on high heat(or whatever the challenge thing was), but I felt like every time I got hit in H1 it was my fault. Here, not so much, I get hit by stuff I didn't even see constantly

[unkempt zodiac]

Like theseus and minotaur were so annoying back when I first played h1, in a way no boss in h2 ever was (except maybe the secret boss)

[tired iris]

Chiron's bow is all the ranged power Zag needs, and Lucifer is there for fun too

[unkempt zodiac]

Now that can be managed. With the exception of the final surface boss I'd say every non-rivals fight is at the very least readable with time

[unkempt zodiac]

What I mean is in h1 ranged tools are the exception, not the norm

[tired iris]

Ahh, I see.

[unkempt zodiac]

In h2 every single weapon has a powerful ranged attack

Some aspects don't but they're rare

Medea skull and hidden axe are the only that come to mind

Learning to use that range is actually pretty important. In h2 your distance matters a lot more I feel

[tired iris]

By final surface boss do you mean Big T?

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah

Idk if you've fought them

They are admittedly incredibly projectile spammy

[tired iris]

I have, yeah. I have a much easier time reading him that Prometheus or Chronos, actually

[unkempt zodiac]

The thing with chronos and prom is their attacks all originate from themselves which can give you a clue how to dodge

[tired iris]

Part of why I enjoy the fight. Definitely feels hard but fair, at least the couple times I've fought him. Almost won the second time too... I think.

[unkempt zodiac]

What's interesting about typhon is he's really the culmination of the surface's whole identity: both you and the enemy are utterly overpowered

He hits like a truck but so do you

[tired iris]

It's a good time for sure, yeah

[unkempt zodiac]

Typhon's rivals fight is pretty good in the sense that it mostly just expands on the unique dynamic the fight already presents. Though what you'll find in h2 is most rivals fights introduce major gimmicks

[solid epoch]

I hate the poison so much I'm ngl

Also very annoying in h1

[unkempt zodiac]

true

one of the biggest improvements from h1 to h2 was making the areas not suck

i swear asphodel elysium and styx are all soooo annoying in a way no h2 area is like

[jolly hound]

don’t panic when you see green, that hurts way more than the poison does

[torpid sky]

Thessaly:

[crude dragon]

Medea Skull still has the OAttack

[unkempt zodiac]

o true

[unkempt zodiac]

its not that bad :(

[torn wind]

Thessaly is mostly just dumb because of double or triple encounters

[unkempt zodiac]

at the very least most of the enemies are pretty reasonable

my main problems with h1 are that asphodel enemies are super slippery and annoying to chase down when trying to go fast, elysium enemies are so annoying to dodge, and styx has poison, and all of these problems are resolved pretty well in h2

the rooms are mostly small, with the exception of fields

most hard to dodge enemies are also paired with a bunch of objects in the level that you can hide behind (which is also in h1 tbf)

[torn wind]

Giant tart rooms in H2 want a word

[unkempt zodiac]

and poison is gone!!

[unkempt zodiac]

but the enemies dont jump around!

[torn wind]

Sand skulls

[unkempt zodiac]

beh

[torn wind]

They can be annoying but yeah

[unkempt zodiac]

they dont try to escape

[jolly hound]

Hades1 in general feels kinda bad after h2

[lean bronze]

successful game design on the devs part

”Melinoe”
My brain: “Melon-no-eh”

[torn wind]

Mah-lin-o-we

[fathom lake]

Meh Lee Nowe

[fathom lake]

https://tenor.com/view/bone-gif-9583965047034155743

[fathom lake]

The Rift would like to have a word with you

[cunning laurel]

every area has redeeming factors at least

there was not one fun thing in elysium

[tranquil wren]

god I remember hating elysium so much (even at 0 Heat!) when 100%ing H1

never got that feeling in H2

[unkempt zodiac]

Poison is gone enough!!

I don't mind poly rivals it's pretty easy

[craggy totem]

Elysium was pretty to look at

And you could meet ole Pat, no?

[cunning laurel]

i thought it was boring that you could just pick what he gave you, no randomness at all

iirc

[raw kraken]

Yeah all the npc rooms had 3 picks instead of 7-8

and they weren’t really interesting either just like enhanced basic items

[unreal temple]

I always felt like it's really damn hard to not take any chip damage at Elysium

[unkempt zodiac]

It's kinda weird going back to h1 how much less interesting npc rooms are in terms of offerings

[fathom lake]

Counterpoint:
Athena in Olympus

[fathom lake]

Yeah

Me when Pom Pom Pom

[craggy totem]

I'm not sure how that's a counterpoint to "Elysium has redeeming factors" hdfhjg

[craggy portal]

Best boss fight imo

In h1

[jolly hound]

Did a round of hades 1 and embarrassed to say I got hit by three howling souls

[ancient ridge]

Just saw the animation for the Console Trailer and ||love the part where her shoes just combusted away||

[wide wigeon]

so is sisyphus dead

[slim pike]

He was dead in H1

[wide wigeon]

alright

you know what im asking

[broken creek]

afaik like the other shades hes just kinda wandering

since the only reason heracles and icarus are there is because hell is just kinda open

[torn wind]

Icarus is dead Heracles isn’t

Cause Icarus also glows when he’s on the surface right?

But not Heracles

[timid vigil]

Yep Heracles is very much alive and is not a shade

[astral bough]

yo i didnt even kno that zagreus talks about chronos in hades 1

[prisma monolith]

Hes was a shade, just gone after the gates of hell opened

[jolly hound]

Where do you think the titan blood came from

[fathom lake]

He cant die hes dead

Hes just somewhere else idk

[scenic gust]

Road to 50 is ........ Nah, too bored of the RNG i my take a break

[formal kindle]

Then that must be he came back to life!

[astral bough]

shiii right

[fathom lake]

yeah not zagz brightest idea lmfao

[bitter stirrup]

Also did a round of Hades 1 and not embarassed to say, wow, shocking how the poison is so much worse when it isn't in predictable straight lines

Lost 2 DDs to Styx rooms before absorbing all the Howling Souls with my (trusty?) shield

[jolly hound]

I missed the bow

[bitter stirrup]

Best bow impression in this game is staff or blades Ospec I guess

[wide wigeon]

whats ospec

[cunning laurel]

omega special

[jolly hound]

it’s not the same

[granite wigeon]

hi kids

[deep harbor]

man, I can barely make it to Hec at 32 fear. But i need 32 to get the last statue.

Just, so many enemeis spawn with just 1 hordes. and a ton of them are those annoying exploding boiz or the giant armored trident jerks from Oceanus.

[granite wigeon]

i havent played hades 2 in a while but are you sure hords is a good choise for 32 heat

[merry whale]

1 hordes isn't a bad idea

[granite wigeon]

i dont remember what i did to beat 32 underworld but it was very easy to get that heat

concidering in hades 1 you dont really pick the hords equivilant untill very high heat, and concidering hades 2 has more free heat options i would think you might be able to get away with less significnat heat options

but i feel like you have much more aoe in h2 and are generally more powerful so im sure more enemies isnt that bad

[deep harbor]

the minute i complain

I get a godly run (Hestia + Hera, Arachne, armor from Charon) and beat Hec

onwards i guess

[granite wigeon]

you are just recieving gammer points through osmosis

[jolly hound]

What’s your pact

[craggy portal]

finally got that bird

[fathom lake]

Taking Rivals off can help

Sylla and Hecate are hard af cuz its early game

I managed to win the 3 statues before they lowered the heat for the surface

[jolly hound]

I wasn’t paying attention and did 32 surface to get the statue

[deep harbor]

even after turning off rivals and getting past Scylla I died in the fields. a couple of satyrs came up from tartarus and pelted me with a string of spears for like all my healthbar. Scars is brutal.

[timid vigil]

if you really want the statue you can try following a build guide, the pinned on #h2-builds-and-combat has a good guide for every weapon

[deep harbor]

oh i have that page bookmarked lol. I use it for ideas all the time.

funny omega Apollo cast with Ares on the side and Circe staff

but yeah the only weapons i seem to be actually good with are the Circe staff and.....that's it lol. I'm fine with the Mel and Thanatos axe, and i like the Charon axe but i'm not good with it yet.

[split shuttle]

interesting build

just go with the classic storm ring build

zeus attack and hera special too and ur good to go

double strike is really nice too

[torpid sky]

Same 😎

[copper wind]

does anyone know how to spawn Fates' trimmings from Narcissus?

[cunning laurel]

just luck, make sure whim isnt on tho

[torn wind]

You have to not be using fates' whim and just get lucky

[plain vector]

theres probably not but is there a way to turn off the announcement of what moveset hecate uses i feel like it always interrupts my omegas

[cunning laurel]

idk what you mean by announcement

[tired iris]

What the heck is going on with the portrait in Mel's room? It has... a very Zagreus-looking young Hades(?) in the forefront, but also an adult-looking Hades in the background?

[crude dragon]

Hades 2 is a sequel

IDK what to say besides "that's her family"

[rigid cloud]

no april fool update today? mannnnn

[raw kraken]

It’s the grown up family after you beat the game, that is Zagreus

[tired iris]

Wait, so... Hades up top, Zag to the left, Persephone to right, Mel as baby?>

[crude dragon]

Yep

[tired iris]

Ohhhhhhh, Zag was an adult when Mel was born then?

I was trying to tie that into Zag's comment about how he probably looked just like his dad without the beard, and forgetting that gods age weirdly

[torn wind]

Yes lol he was already an adult in the first game

Or I guess a teen/young-adult or so equivalent for gods but like the gods also can choose their appearances to some degree

[merry echo]

I think chronos stopping time on him prevented him from aging

So he just stays the same age as 1

Bro's been trapped since mel was a baby

[craggy totem]

They're gods.

Chaos isn't a decrepit pile of dust and Aphrodite doesn't look like she's older than most of the others, despite the fact that she's actually older than most of the others

What they look like doesn't have to be linked to the length of time they've existed for

[glossy shadow]

^ they're all fickle and petulant like children, but Hestia is grandma bc she make a da pie

[lean bronze]

advice for great chaos trials?

[crude dragon]

Besides "know how to roll with the punches, and expect to get Antler region 4," not really

[unkempt raft]

not sure if Hades 3 is gonna happen but i think it would be cool if we met more of nyxs kids

[lean bronze]

[unkempt raft]

being breathtakingly beautiful is no excuse for being a deadbeat mom why dont your 20+ kids talk to you anymore

[craggy totem]

I can't believe she spent all her mom energy on Zag because she was in love with Persephone

[fleet scarab]

firstly I would like to say, aspect of persephone SUCKS, I hate it

next I would like to ask, whats the name of the song that plays during ||Hypnos' dreams|| and ||the Chronos Hide & Seek section in the alternate timeline||? They have the same motif as theme songs from Hades and Hades 2

[bitter stirrup]

Deep Sleep

[split shuttle]

interesting take

[unkempt raft]

let me just say the first result when I searched 'lesbian' gifs was NOT appropriate for this server

[rare summit]

Had my first upper path clear, ngl it kinda feels like ||Ares|| has some insane sauce

[austere oxide]

Congrats on the clear!

[rare summit]

Thanks! Was a shockingly insane damage build

[jolly hound]

reset if your starting vows are unmanageable, expect to lose a few cause your arcana setups will be kinda ass, reset if you don’t get death or strength, and time to buckle up and learn wantler because you’re going to get it whether you want to or not

[simple sierra]

iirc I never restarted, just kept running both until I won. Was good for practice because you can't predict what you'll have later on and if it's truly terrible you'll usually die quick

my gca clear for instance was with vows I never even tried yet and I had finished the nights champion things already

(though it's possible I was just picking worse vows to play with and the rng vows were the easier ones lol)

[timid hatch]

Huh. I just realized Gale comes with a movespeed bonus.

I wonder how much the movespeed affects run-times compared to Raki's crit bonus.

[cunning laurel]

6% move speed doesn't do much at all, raki is always better for speed

[jolly hound]

gale is what you want on scars 3 cause three free barriers and dodge chance, but if goal is speed then raki all the way

[craggy totem]

Eh Raki is better, but I feel that 6% for sure, idk if I'd say it's not much

Less, but not insignificant

[cunning laurel]

it doesn't save a meaningful amount of time

[timid vigil]

The crit chance is significantly more impactful

[glass jacinth]

Start of run "Pressure Points" is always awesome, especially with Success Rate.

[torn wind]

Success rate apparently does not affect base raki chance

[timid hatch]

Oh, I was getting excited for a moment

[torn wind]

Idk about the mark chance

[glass jacinth]

Oh no! I assume same story with Mel torches?

[torn wind]

It does

It affects weapon crit chances including than and Mel torches

It will even make the meter for than show the new crit chance from success rate

[glass jacinth]

Fascinating!

[torn wind]

So yeah epic success rate gets you 10% crit chance, 12% on heroic, on than which is huge

Worth taking card to get

[jolly hound]

It does not, but it does work on pressure points and wantler if you have all three it’s 51% crit chance which is stupid

though antler and the keepsake upgrade duo is 50 by itself which I think becomes 75 with success rate

[torn wind]

Yeah. Heroic success rate is massive

Since wantler is basically a must

[jolly hound]

It was key for me getting a sub 8 yesterday

All the criticals and double strike go brr

[torn wind]

80% with heroic but yeah most people don’t take card

Droplet region 3 is more common

[jolly hound]

I pretty much only take card if I’m trying to make the heph dream happen

[torn wind]

I massively prefer card for surface

But underworld the move speed with droplet or time freeze with gorgon is huge

On surface though it can be nice to guarantee the Athena encounter is short using gamulet

Since a natural Athena is terrible

[jolly hound]

ngl sometimes I get annoyed when she shows up to steal the win if I have a cracked build and had it covered myself

[torn wind]

I’ve actually managed to clear before she lands a few times

[jolly hound]

Same, then I say something rude to the tv

thanks for your help mofo sort of things

[torn wind]

Goofy Ahhthena

[tired iris]

Hmm. Why did they give Zeus Aries' mechanic from H1 and give Aries a weirder version of his old mechanic?

[cunning laurel]

if stuff stayed the same i reckon itd be stale

[raw kraken]

When the build is good you can beat her to it

[vapid sage]

Why give us like 30 card themes but only 5 actual arcana setups

Nitpicky

[slim pike]

Because ares wasn't in early EA, and OG blitz didn't trigger if it expired

Unless you took toasting fork

[cunning laurel]

lol what was toasting fork

never heard that

[slim pike]

If blitz expired naturally, it did damage anyway, multiplied by.... 75,100,125,150%(?)

They updated blitz to always do that so the boon was reworked into arc flash

[cunning laurel]

theres really an unlimited amount of silly ea stuff

[slim pike]

Nothing tops og ionic gain

Also OG lightning Sprint was occasionally very funny

[limpid stream]

What’s a good Queen’s Ransom build? I can’t imagine any build where Hera is contributing more than Zeus

[broken creek]

uhhhh the idea is get hereditary bane and scale tf out of it

but realistically if you already have zeus + hera in most situations the ransoms arent a good take unless youre just messing around

[limpid stream]

I just need Q Ransom once for the prophecy

[broken creek]

then try messing around with herediatry bane scaling since it can go over 100%

[slim pike]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=11i4M9QpBYs

[crude dragon]

Fine Line, Hereditary Bane, Nexus Rush

[broken creek]

i saw a clip of someone killing chronos by hitting the summons cuz it was scaled so high lmao

[crude dragon]

Ideally with Ripple Effect

Getting Born Gain down to only 5 MP per refill is also quite funny

[slim pike]

Hereditary bane being +10% per level is bonkers

[timid vigil]

Go for the nuts with queens ransom followed by pom pom pom from echo

[cunning laurel]

wtf 😭 how did thunder rush work

[slim pike]

Much more rapid but cost 3 each strike

[slim pike]

This footage was after I got a kings ransom and had double strike

And power surge

Power surge was designed to work with lightning sprint with its tiny energy cost and they ruined it

[atomic river]

how did I get 50k kudos?? Last time I played when the true ending dropped I had like 2k

[slim pike]

Sell grown plants

[split shuttle]

game automatically converted your void lens and zodiac sand into kudos

this is to make sure you dont cheese the requirements for the incantations required to get the true ending

[lean bronze]

arent things the same even if you undo night
So reset as in die right

[timid vigil]

there's an incantation that lets you reset the seed

[jolly hound]

Fate altered

[timid vigil]

acceptance of another fate

[torn wind]

Yeah it rerolls everything without giving up things like encounter pity

So better to undo night than die

[lean bronze]

how do i unlock it

[torn wind]

Or if you die just instantly exit the game

[torn wind]

Reach epilogue

[timid vigil]

after epilogue and a bunch of other stuff

its supposed to be super late game

[lean bronze]

i reached it two weeks ago

[timid vigil]

you need the second statue as well

[lean bronze]

im alr night champ
All testaments done

[timid vigil]

idk then

[lean bronze]

[timid vigil]

according to the wiki
|| Insight Into Offerings unlocked
Favored of All Keepsakes unlocked
Spreading of Ashes unlocked
Obtained the second statue of the The Night's Champion, by conquering the Surface route at 12 Fear Fear and the Underworld route at 16 Fear Fear
Defeated Chronos 7 times or more
Defeated Typhon 7 times or more
Reach the Epilogue||

[lean bronze]

i think i have all those

[timid vigil]

check your cauldron maybe

[lean bronze]

i always do
Nothing

[timid vigil]

check if maybe you already did the incantation? is there an option to salute on the oath of the unseen for you?

[lean bronze]

no just setting fear
By favored of all keepsakes do you mean x2 bonus on upgrading them or having all at max

[timid vigil]

its the incantation that lets you prioritize a keepsake

[lean bronze]

yup have that

[timid vigil]

but maybe you need them all max? the wiki is not like updated

and they might have changed stuff on 1.0

[jolly hound]

You don’t, I haven’t maxed all mine

[lean bronze]

heph shard is missing one encounter worth of upgrade

[timid vigil]

but did you get it on EA?

[lean bronze]

so why dont i have access

[timid vigil]

acceptance of another fate i mean

cause maybe they changed the pre-requisites

[lean bronze]

so we need to find someone who got it later than 1.0 and ask them to list the stuff they did?

[timid vigil]

still i think youre supposed to have it, maybe try getting all keepsakes maxed but idk

[lean bronze]

[torn wind]

I don’t even have keepsakes maxed

I’ve got everything in the game and haven’t ever even used some of the keepsakes

[jolly hound]

Nah I play Nintendo

[lean bronze]

do you know how to get the incant?

[torn wind]

I said reach epilogue 🤷‍♂️ otherwise idk

[lean bronze]

ive thrashed both paths at least fifty timesssss
Urghh

[lean bronze]

i double checked
I have all of these

[torn wind]

If you care to start doing runs you can also always download a speedrunning save file from somebody

There’s even some that have those annoying ass barriers in ephyra not unlocked

[lean bronze]

what annoying ephyra barriers

[torn wind]

Those bubble shields

That block enemies and recharge your hex

I meant Erebus

Brain has been stuck on surface mode

[lean bronze]

ah
Whys that a bad thing

[torn wind]

Cause they can knock enemies around and spread them out

Imagine a whole group of enemies is on one

And then you step on it to kill them and the all go flying in random directions

[lean bronze]

a
Ye that would be annoying

[torn wind]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1485711070965272618/Hades_II_2026-03-23_13-44-31_-_Trim.mp4?ex=69ceb942&is=69cd67c2&hm=69cfad19722de3918175669128b24aac22cecc01e31e8bc0e4ef47b2007867b4&

It won’t show the video but this was a funny interaction I had with them

Created a miniature star out of spindles with an Erebus barrier

[lean bronze]

unlisted side quest

[full python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1425645150528602112/1489083073017675949/79678773318__2C63B55D-A565-4588-AE39-06BBAC32A7C5.jpg?ex=69cf202e&is=69cdceae&hm=58dfcfb6d687022a8b6d9e8da71be0a99c5b1ddc7a321dfcadae6c9e1945f7b5&

Gamesir + steamlink = h2 on my phone

[torn wind]

How bad is the input delay?

[full python]

I only played a room or two but didnt notice any despite bluetooth + streaming. Though i’m a KBM player so I may just not be used to gamepad controls for this game yet.

Might try a rhythm game later to really see haha

[torn wind]

Yeah that would be a really easy way to tell is any rhythm game that has visual input delay tuning

Issue is games that only have audio delay end up screwing up the hit zones

If I recall correctly it’s been a while

Since if your input method has delay you’re not gonna fix anything by moving the audio

You have to make the game visually show stuff sooner to compensate for delayed input

[honest wren]

Did they change circes staff?

My cast shoots out now

Doesnt drop where im standing and i dont have any boons where u can aim ur cast

[torn wind]

Howling soul

You’re using jpom it’s a hades boon

That’s not cause of Circe

[honest wren]

Omg i forgot about the random hades boon 😂 thanks! Can i purge it? Its messing up my build lol

[torn wind]

You can swap to a god boon to cancel fates whim but you lose JPom levels on future boons

[worldly elm]

What does Circe do again

[torn wind]

But there’s no other way to get rid of hades boons

[worldly elm]

Is it good

[torn wind]

Cast on familiar and psychic leash between you and familiar

[honest wren]

Okay perfect

[torn wind]

It’s a top tier weapon

[honest wren]

Its so good

[worldly elm]

I play melinoe on staff I just love spamming omega attack❤️

And with the Apollo boon

[torn wind]

Omega attack is one of the moves of all time

Might as well be playing momus if you’re using omega attack

[honest wren]

This game is so fun to replay. I haven’t played it in a little bit and I just picked it up a few days ago and I’m hooked again

I wanna learn momus

[torn wind]

Optimal Mel staff is just spamming dash attack + special

[honest wren]

Is that the snake staff

[glass jacinth]

I adore secret aspect staff. It's a really cool play pattern variation

[honest wren]

That shi looks so cool ugh

[torn wind]

Omega attack legit does less damage than dash attack + special and leaves you more vulnerable

[worldly elm]

B-but the omega attack

Is momus good what does it even do

[glass jacinth]

Momus loops your omega moves 2 additional times

from the spots where you used them.

[torn wind]

It’s decent by being a staff but it forces you to use omegas to get any benefit out of it

[worldly elm]

I feel like it would miss too much

[torn wind]

Having watched people play high fear on staff I’ve only ever seen them use omegas to activate a hex and even then that’s rare

[glass jacinth]

The usual stuff with Momus staff in my experience leans on A. rolling specific hammers, and B. gunning for Apollo Legendary

[worldly elm]

How do I get premium service

[torn wind]

Yeah really momus is just a more build-dependent Mel staff without the main thing that makes Mel staff good which is the special power

[glass jacinth]

The key thing to note is that Momus staff loops your Cast Omega as well, so you can do some brutal things with omega cast boons

[torn wind]

Heph legendary

Check the boon requirements in the offerings menu

[worldly elm]

Oh it's a boon

Aspect of Anubis sounds good how do I unlock hidden aspects?

Oh it's just like one

[worldly elm]

Diva

[glass jacinth]

These are olympic/cthonic gods were talking about, I would expect every single one to diva in some aspect

(but yes, diva)

[torn wind]

All hidden aspects are unlocked by leveling one of the non-Mel aspects to level 5 and speaking to a specific character ||specifically one of the characters who is one of the aspects of that weapon||

[worldly elm]

I already googled but thanks

[prime iron]

how does one efficiently use supay

[jolly hound]

so it starts off real slow

blitz on special or attack is your best friend, it matters more than the dash

i like hestia attack blitz special, poseidon attack isnt a bad backup plan (slippery slope makes it shine)

static shock is also huge

air quality loves supay cause the attacks and specials are so smol plus if youre running static shock, go off

hera dash is prob my favorite, hestia dash gets good on supay too

[prime iron]

oh wait air quality effects static shock

[jolly hound]

sure does

[prime iron]

funnnn alright

[jolly hound]

every single tick of damage counts individually for air quality

[prime iron]

probably not a great high fear aspect?

[jolly hound]

ive beaten 45 with it comfortably

[prime iron]

yeah but im like 80 runs in idk if i can do that 😭

[jolly hound]

youll get there

supay is kinda like, an exodia weapon

as in once you have lots of ingredients you're gonna win

but if you dont have all the parts its gonna be a slog til ya do

and it gets substantially better on fates whim

idk if youve unlocked jpom yet

[torn wind]

It becomes less effective if you're making proper use of huntress and are using hera special but yeah

[prime iron]

uuuuh no clue

[jolly hound]

jeweled pom

[prime iron]

the mom gift?

[jolly hound]

yea

[prime iron]

i could get it im just lazy 😭

[jolly hound]

stop being lazy and go get it

[prime iron]

yes yes

how does it work? same as h1?

[jolly hound]

nope

||at max level all boons start level 4 and you start with a hades boon. you arent allowed to use god keepsakes or rerolls if you use it. the effect persists the entire run so if you swap to something new in zone 2, you keep the level 4 stuff unless you pick a god keepsake, this includes athena but not dionysus||

32 fear with it is easier than 20 without it

its insanely strong

[prime iron]

thats amazing*

[jolly hound]

yea

if you pull zeus ares and apollo, wounds on the special and go for henious affront with light smite

this is good on every weapon, but with supay you just dash around and send every room to the shadow realm in like 10 seconds

[prime iron]

oh um hows the hammer? for supay

[jolly hound]

arent gonna make or break the run usually

[prime iron]

special hammers better im guessing?

[jolly hound]

dividing blaze is probably one of the best, especially w hestia (attacks split and can hit again - triples scorch output)

[prime iron]

enduring coil seems extra

[prime iron]

oh trueee that would HURT

[jolly hound]

most of the hammers are can't hurt, but won't win the run by themselves

theres one thats +5 power while sprinting which again cant hurt but wont win by itself

hera dash goes pretty hard on it too

theres a case to be made to put that on the special instead of the dash, but try both and see what suits you

[prime iron]

alrrrr

[jolly hound]

prioritize on hit effects (zeus - hestia - poseidon by priority order, ares also acceptable) - not % boosts for attack and special

[prime iron]

gonna just max it out before using it probably

[jolly hound]

that only affects the dash

[prime iron]

just need 4(i think) fear

[jolly hound]

a maxed out supay hera or hestia dash will clear most of the first zone pretty much by itself

but a level 1 supay starting with blitz special will do it faster

ngl sometimes i start a run see an epic zeus special start and reset the run grab supay and start again (with fates whim active no god keepsakes)

it is absolutely an adjustment from how you usually play tho

i gotta sleep but give it a go and go get that jpom

[prime iron]

okiii

rest wellllll sweet dreamsss

[patent merlin]

I wanttrr crosss save

[torn wind]

There's technically a workaround by transferring steam saves to an xbox version of the game because of microsoft play-anywhere but for playstation you're screwed seems like

Switch has built in cross save though

[prime iron]

shadow pounce and supay seems fun

if it works the way i hope it does

[austere oxide]

Yeah, it is a completely different way to play!! It's neat that they came up with that (and the rewards for doing so).

[atomic marsh]

||so with the arcana, you meet or have met about every character on the cards... HOWEVER we dont meet chiron (the centaur) right? Unless its because we have centaur hearts, and hes a centaur||

[bitter stirrup]

I guess we also technically never meet ||Daedalus ||, though ||Icarus|| is also on the card

[lean bronze]

ok the badge requirements were worse than i thought
i thought i was close to being done
checked the wiki
and realised im not even halfway there

[real scarab]

Wiki may be outdated tho

[lean bronze]

still cant figure out why i cant do the accept a different fate incantation though
i have all requirements

[tranquil wren]

I don't think the wiki can be outdated for v1.0 stuff

aside from the story, of course

[real scarab]

I think they decreased the requirements for a lot of things in the latest patch

Don't know if they included badges tho

[tranquil wren]

only the kudos prices for the camp decoration

the badge prices remained the same iirc

[timid vigil]

yeah I think it's the same

[lean bronze]

is there anywhere that states the requirements to the incantation
like directly from the devs
the wiki is 100% wrong on it

[tranquil wren]

game files basically

[lean bronze]

do you have the incantation unlocked?

[tranquil wren]

yeah

I'm looking at the files now and I can see the actual requirements. it's a pretty long list

[lean bronze]

i have everything it says on the wiki

[lean bronze]

i double checked this list against the actual wiki
yes this is all thats listed
and i double checked, got all this

[timid vigil]

I took this list from the wiki

[tranquil wren]

have you unlocked the incantation for having a preferred keepsake?

[lean bronze]

yup
the prioritise a keepsake

[tranquil wren]

you also need the incantation for having arcana presets

[lean bronze]

the arcana sets

[lean bronze]

yup

i got nights champ too

[tranquil wren]

and I'm guessing you've killed both chronos and typhon at least 7 times each

and reached the epilogue?

[lean bronze]

yup

[tranquil wren]

that's basically all the requirements I can see, aside from the very basic boon list incantation

[lean bronze]

i used that to check duo and legendary boon unlocks
so yup definitely have

[tranquil wren]

sad times

[lean bronze]

this needs to show up in tech support with some screenshots?

[tranquil wren]

possibly, yeah

[lean bronze]

the only other thing i can think of is the fated list of minor prophecies

[tranquil wren]

I didn't see any of them in the requirements, though I could have just missed some

oh actually, I see something else. I'll need to look elsewhere for what it means

[lean bronze]

ty
ima try to finish the list in the meantime

[tranquil wren]

oh it's just getting the second melinoe statue

[lean bronze]

back to square one we go

[lean bronze]

decorations and badges are sooooooo grindy

[tranquil wren]

you need around 250k kudos iirc for every single thing

[lean bronze]

i only have a lifetime total of 107k

i seriously need to unlock everything to get more kudos
but to get more things freed up for kudos i need to spend kudos to buy deco

[timid vigil]

really? I thought it was more

[lean bronze]

🗣️ 500 nights of grinding

[tranquil wren]

my save has around 250k kudos and I've gotten everything

[timid vigil]

I think I have around that as well, might as well but everything now

Actually I def have more than that if I recycle stuff

[lean bronze]

how many bones do you guys have

[tranquil wren]

206

[lean bronze]

i thought youd have like 100k or smth

[tranquil wren]

(I have 3972 bones)

I was just making a joke about the human skeleton

[lean bronze]

right
forgot about that

first time ever using mel skull + first time using antler
worked pretty well actually

[lean bronze]

those great chaos trials seriously got me stumped
i aint ever clearing that list at this rate

OMG MOROS
THIS IS THE RUN
i have to lock in

ok vows
amazing arcana
yup this is it
dang i reverse jinxed myself

[lean bronze]

please no antler
i beg no antler
anything but antler

yesss no antler

please me
dont fumble

[atomic marsh]

Oh yeah, I didnt think about that... its cool how we get their designs though

||baby icarus on the architect 🥺🥺🥺||

[buoyant matrix]

Acceptance of Another Fate (Reroll RNG seed at Oath of the Unseen)

• Kill Chronos 7+ times
• Kill Typhon 7+ times
• Reached the Epilogue (meet ||The Fates||)
• Have the second statue from skelly (aquired by beating underworld at 16+ fear and surface at 12+ fear)
• Insight Into Offerings incantation (view boon lists in book of shadows)
  • Requirement: Gift all of the following characters at least once each: Zeus, Hera Poseidon, Apollo, Demeter, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hestia, Hermes, Chaos
• Favored of All Keepsakes incantation (auto-equip a prioritized keepsake when entering crossroads)
  • Requirement: have at least 22 of the 33 keepsakes in the game
• Spreading of Ashes incantation (save 6 arcana layouts instead of 1)
  • Requirement: have at least 28 Grasp, and have spent at least 15 Moon Dust total

@lean bronze

[tranquil wren]

they've already done all that as far as I can tell

nice list though

[copper citrus]

hi i was wondering how do i unlock the hidden axe aspect?

[real scarab]

Unlock the other axe aspects, spend 5 nightmare on them in total, talk to Charon

[jolly hound]

It needs to be levle 5 Charon or Thanatos axe Mel won’t work for it

[real scarab]

Ye but you can't spend nightmare on Mel aspects anyway

[jolly hound]

oh you’re right

[grim imp]

guys i cant defeat the typhon do you have any tips??

[wide wigeon]

which weapon you use

[jolly hound]

watch some videos of typhoon fights so you can learn his patterns without needing to go all the way up. If you blow out Prometheus you’ll win vs typhon. his phases are like 15k health - eggs -15 k health - Zeus - 15k health - eggs - 35k health (I’m estimating the numbers, someone who knows can correct me); his face wil get more bloody as you go so that’s your health bar. you’ll want to get in close, hit him a bit, then pull back before you think you need to in order to dodge the chin slam. Lasers you can either be right in his face or dash through them (dash towards them if you do - if you dash away from them you’ll get hit)

If you have twilight curse from Selene that will finish the egg phase almost by itself most of the time

[grim imp]

thanks

[grim imp]

i use artemis sister blades

idk if thats enough

[jolly hound]

gl

[wide wigeon]

its enough

[jolly hound]

Every weapon can beat him

With knives pay extra attention to the back off before you think you need to thing because of chin slams

Or just smack him a lot then hold your parry to block chin slam

[grim imp]

whats the most powerful boon with sisterblades tho? i cant decide if its apollo or smth else

[jolly hound]

Trick knives on the hammer

[wide wigeon]

trick knives is so goated

[jolly hound]

Yu want on hit effects, not % damage boosts - Poseidon Hestia and Zeus

for attack and special

[wide wigeon]

for me scorch on the blades attack is amazing

[jolly hound]

*not applicable to hidden aspect but ignore that for now

Scorch attack blitz special and trick knives is enough to win by itself

[wide wigeon]

with origination that would go so hard

[jolly hound]

Even without it

but yes, originatin good

Poseidon attack with slippery slope I think will do more than scorch but without it scorch is better - faster scorch damage also goes very hard on basically all scorch builds (pyro technique I think?)

[abstract pecan]

I gotta say, they really streamlined the ranking process in this game over Hades 1.

I'm still probably going to be grinding Kudos after I have all the necessary Reagents (The Zodiac Sands & Void Lenses being the obvious hold-outs), but it's currently looking like my save file isn't even going to reach 365 nights.

[jolly hound]

yeah you don’t need to do one rank up per run any more

I think it’s like, 30-40 of each boss resource plus a bunch of kudos idk offhand and I can’t count high enough to figure it out

[abstract pecan]

That wasn't even the main issue, but it certainly makes a difference in the early ranks.

Back in Hades 1, the real timesink was accumulating the required darkness without a reliable way to trade for it.
But with Hades 2, you just need to clear enough Surface & Underworld runs, and the extra rescourses you get along the way will enevitably get you the Kudos you need.

[torn wind]

Yeah in H1 you got darkness really slowly

[abstract pecan]

It really caused Sysaphis to circle back around to being the chamber you most want to find in a run.

[jolly hound]

pretty much always take the free room anyway but the $100 he gave was my pick every time

[abstract pecan]

Ya, for new players starting out, his room was a safe space to help newbies maybe finally get out of Tartarus.
And for hardened veterans, he was a buddy helping you grind the literal thousands of darkness needed for 100%.

[torn wind]

Yeah between greatest gift of Gaia and grave thirst you’re bound to just get to 100% eventually

Since everything can be bought for bones

And you’ll get a ton of kudos just by playing runs

[copper citrus]

i seeeee thanks

is it good? or would that be a convo for #h2-builds-and-combat

[timid vigil]

its a good aspect

all hidden aspects are pretty unique

[timid hatch]

...I suppose hoping to win my first (?) Frenzy UW was too much even though I won Surface. Different patterns to train my reflexes to

Didn't even make it to Cerberus, heh

[timid vigil]

are you running rivals?

rivals scylla with frenzy can be quite challenging until you get the hang of it

it was for me at least

[bitter stirrup]

Also sometimes vs Rivals Scylla my eyes just gloss over and I get hit by a billion red balls

Or I erroneously try to rely on spacing vs the tentacles instead of timing the dash and get hit by the spin attack

[real scarab]

It's very good when you upgrade it to the max level

[timid hatch]

No rivals just now though I do plan to eventually learn it. Right now I'm still adjusting a bit to 20-Fear Frenzy without it. I kind of want to beat UW with Frenzy first especially since Surface is locked now... of course, I could always just turn all my Fear off to rush it but it might act against my adjusting to Frenzy.

(I could try running with JUST Frenzy 2 until I beat it)

[cunning laurel]

sounds like a good way to learn

[timid hatch]

Which does?

[timid vigil]

fair

you'll get used to it eventually and then frenzy 0 will look too slow

[torn wind]

Yeah frenzy 2 just becomes the normal game at some point

Especially since it functionally saves time

[abstract pecan]

Funny enough, I might end up obtaining all the Kudos needed for the highest Rank before I get the necessary V-Lenses & Z-Sands.

The Kudos you get for a run that falls short at the final battle aren't much different from the Kudos you get for a successful run in clearing out a dire possibility.
But almost doesn't get you the key reagent. And the two final encounters are no pushovers, even on 0-Fear.

In short, I guess I don't need to focus on a grind-builds and should just focus on optimal builds for clearing the run.
(Sorry, Uncle Possidon.)

[timid hatch]

Huh.

Absurd amounts of Scorch at double speed sounds super OP as a main damage source until you try to put it into practice.

Though this may be moreso a problem with Exhaust Riser being surprisingly awkward and defensively difficult to use.

200 dam/sec is... actually a lot less than it sounds?

I expected the Sirens to melt but it didn't feel that way.

[fathom lake]

Scorch

THe true its that it only feels good for main damage with pyrotechnique heroic at level like5-10

Its good secondary damage though

[short raft]

Wait, glorious disaster doesnt work with Charon? wtf

[glass jacinth]

Freezer burn.

[torn wind]

Scorch is best used when applied to as many enemies at once as possible

Since it's a flat damage buff that's considerably higher than most flat damage buffs in the game

Not as much as blitz but more than poseidon waves

But it can do significant damage on bosses with pyro technique especially with how absurd the pom scaling is on pyro technique

Makes it super strong if you're using Jeweled pom

[sturdy magnet]

Why do I think Dora has cat paws for hands

[timid hatch]

I thought they were dog paws

[sturdy magnet]

I kinda they were cat paw how she try to touch the mistletoe or ornament on Moros's head like a cat in that Christmas illustration

[timid hatch]

What's the advisability of skipping from first 20f (w/ frenzy 2) wins both-ways to adding Rivals 3 plus 2nd Hubris rank + Menace 2 to start doing 32f runs? :D

I do love the idea of eventually getting sub-10 50f or even better though that's... still a long ways away on both counts..

(If I manage to 100% complete this game by most measures or get even remotely competitive speedrun times it'll be a shocking exception to any game I've ever done)

[broken creek]

youd be surprised how little hubris and menace are gonna affect things until 45+

i did 8 -> 16 -> 32 -> 40 -> then by 5 each until 55 -> 62

[fringe merlin]

sorry to cut in with nothing tied to the conversation whatsoever but I’m reading through Project Hail Mary after seeing the movie and all the relativity talk has me thinking: what do you guys think Phase Shift looks like to the average schmuck on the ground? Time slows down for Mel but whatever weapon you’re swinging moves at the same speed, so your in-game dps goes up. Does Selene accelerate Mel to relativistic speeds?

[timid hatch]

I don't think even a 100x acceleration comes close to the usual implication of the phrase "relativistic speeds" unless the game-shown speeds are actually in mega-slomo.

Though yes, I think she essentially accelerates a fair bit.

[cunning laurel]

what is demeters voice line when you use godsent in her dispute? might shed some light on how it looks

[timid hatch]

I think it's actually something that can be done just by a particularly intense adrenaline hit/flowstate at the rate of acceleration she goes to

The actual effect could easily be purely mental plus a bit of "delimiting"

People do some shocking feats of athleticism when sufficiently motivated.

[jolly hound]

Great book and movie. Relativistic speeds happen when you’re approaching the speed of light, it would probably just look like some lady did an absolutely legendary amount of uh, pre workout

[fringe merlin]

For sure! To us the player it doesn’t look like Mel speeds up at all, but time dilates around her which lets her in-game dps go way way up, hence the question

[jolly hound]

but it would look like my car going 30 mph now going 60 mph. You need to go about 1% the speed of light which is 6.7 million miles per hour before seeing any meaningful effects of relativity

like damn that girl does crossfit but not like, bending space and time sadly

throw Mel into a particle accelerator then run phase shift maybe does something

[fringe merlin]

I don’t disagree that all the CrossFit in the underworld and the surface won’t get her moving that fast but maybe one of the Greek Gods of Light Itself (being Apollo and the one that gives you a hex) could give her an Astrophage amount of kick for a few seconds

What do you think a satyr on the ground sees when Mel pops a Phase Shift?

[jolly hound]

An Olympic sprinter stabbing him in the face

You might enjoy for all mankind btw (Apple TV, what if the soviets landed on the moon before America did and the space arms race never ended)

[fringe merlin]

Thanks for the rec! I’ll have to take a look

my jjk powerscaling brain wants me to say that I think Mel with phase shift could take near-light Dabura btw

but that’s a whole other can of worms lol

[jolly hound]

Don’t think so, she may be fast but she’s not the fastest in the universe

[fringe merlin]

so umm someone’s been hacked or someone’s a bot

[vapid sage]

Cool a phishing link

[torpid sky]

<@&456908176877551658>

[fringe merlin]

Ok yeah you’ve got a point there even if Selene just speeds her up to the point where time slows down for her relative to the dudes on the ground even the best phase shift lasts for a handful of seconds

Dabura can just sort of…do that

no time limit at all

and RCT and all

man Yuki v. Dabura would be such a cool honorable duel but of course gege chucked Yuki because he hates physics

[lean bronze]

icarus romanced
Poor guy really needed it

[torn wind]

Bro finally got a hug

[twin forum]

Lowkey

How do I get better at the Scylla fight 😔

[proper seal]

I suggest targetting the drummer first

she can be annoying and she has the most attacks out of the gang

[lean bronze]

[torn wind]

Don't chase jetty. Let her powerslide into the middle of the other sirens so you can hit all of them at once

[twin forum]

Oh alrighty, thank you guys

[abstract pecan]

Well, I ran the numbers.
I'm literally holding 15% of the remaining Kudos needed to achieve Unseen I.

It's practically guaranteed that I'll reach the necessary Kudos before I gather the necessary V-Lenses & Z-Sands for the Rank-Ups and the Acceptance of another Fate Incantation.

So, I'm free.
Free to not follow the whims of grave thirst.
Free to not invoke any more Vows, save for ones I want to take.
I could literally stick with the Eos Umbral Flames all the way to the final rank,
And the only challenges left I feel I'd want to take on are actually beating Unrivaled Typhon for once and ending off on a second victory over Unrivaled Chronos.

[torn wind]

Honestly far more kudos are gonna come from just playing the game and collecting resources than from using grave thirst

Grave thirst equates to about 840 kudos per run

But between seeds, fish, flowers, shades, and mining you’re gonna a lot just from playing the game how you want

You’re likely netting about 1000-1500 kudos per night without grave thirst

Idk that’s just a guess based on how many resources I expect to get in a run

[buoyant matrix]

greatest gift of gaia

truly the greatest gift of all time 🙏

[jolly hound]

make plentiful forage great again

[placid folio]

Just failed attempt 7 at great chaos above ...great chaos below only took me 2....

[craggy portal]

Great chaos below is kicking my ass

just been unlucky with everything

[placid folio]

Hope u get some better luck soon 🥹

Ive actually got some decent rolls these past few tries, its just stupid stuff keeps happening LOL

80 dmg attack from offscreen from ||tail miniboss on summit|| 💀 💀💀 never let that thing out of ur sight...

[craggy portal]

if i get than axe and death with decent fear stuff then im golden

i got mel staff :( (i dont like staff)

[buoyant matrix]

well staff doesn't like you either. huh? how about that?

[placid folio]

I actually havent used staff in like forever :o i just do the randomly picked ones and its never that

[buoyant matrix]

mel staff optimal combo is dash strike, special, repeat

(they will probably lose the run before opening discord again)

[placid folio]

Oh ok i lied i forgot momus and circe are also staff...i never use mel staff lol

[buoyant matrix]

mel staff is giga nuts though

[craggy portal]

jokes on you i open discord between rooms

[placid folio]

I mixed up the meaning of nuts and cheeks slang meaning at first then realized you are praising it...love english language

I should try mel staff more...

[buoyant matrix]

it has like 12 max fear clears

grab dual moonshot and watch everything just die 😌

[placid folio]

I think its bonus is like less exciting on the surface than the other aspects so i kinda just scoffed and brushed it aside :O

[buoyant matrix]

funny how a simple number adjustment turns the staff special from a paper plane to a heat seeking missile

[placid folio]

Or like a rifle ... its not really seeking is it?

[buoyant matrix]

unfortunately 😔

[craggy portal]

I got past scylla but then got the wantler

imma get hit once and die

died in cerb fight :(

[timid hatch]

Mix them up further, start referring to things as "puffy chipmunk cheeks"

[timid hatch]

Does the incantation to autogather resources also get the extra elements from upgraded gathering tools? What does it do about fish/psyche?

[buoyant matrix]

yes it gets you elements, it can get fish and shades too

the only difference with normal gathering is chaos harvest doesn't affect it

[timid hatch]

Good to know, appreciated ^^

[lean bronze]

yesss i got great chaos below and chaos below done
Those aboves are scaring me

[torn wind]

Everything functions exactly the same just you don’t have to physically do it

[buoyant matrix]

erm ackshouly auto gathered resources will not be affected by chaos harvest ☝️🤓

[bitter stirrup]

WiTh YoUr GaThErInG tOoLs

Wait I wonder if Succ Rate affects that

[crude dragon]

Mouth

[timid hatch]

In a split between Chaos and X when shouldn't Chaos be taken?

I have... strong bias toward taking Chaos as much as possible but I ALSO do for both Hermes and Hammer.

[bitter stirrup]

If my timer is ok I won't take Chaos if it's against a good boon or hammer that I might want

[timid hatch]

So basically when it's a split between Chaos and something very likely to be run-defining?

[bitter stirrup]

But in Oceanus I will almost always take Chaos unless there's a different skip or family dispute or the perfect god on an exit (mostly because I'm using Time Piece)

[timid hatch]

Good to know.

[crude dragon]

If Chaos makes you miss something more important, or their curse will be active during a boss fight, I wouldn't take them

[short raft]

Uh, Demeter's legendary animation procted but it did not killed the target? wtf?

[bitter stirrup]

Was it Rivals Prometheus

[short raft]

yes why

[bitter stirrup]

I've seen that happen before too and from what I've heard it might be the devs' way of "fixing" an old bug where Demeter legendary would end that fight early before ||you killed the other guy||

[short raft]

So is intended? sad

[buoyant matrix]

i wish they made it work properly instead of a band aid solution

[broken creek]

<@&456908176877551658>

thanks goats

[formal kindle]

Do you think the mods will ban everyone if i pay them 20 dollars

[wide wigeon]

lowk ion remember what legendary demeter had

[wide wigeon]

usd dollars?

[formal kindle]

Yea

[wide wigeon]

20 each maybe

[formal kindle]

Nah nah

Thats a lot of money

[wide wigeon]

lmao theres only 4 mods

[formal kindle]

(I am kidding about the banning everyone thing)

[bitter stirrup]

Frozen enemies shatter at 10% health

[formal kindle]

Why doesnt hades 2 has a future to link your real life nightmares into the game so whenever you have a nightmare you also get one in the game

[wide wigeon]

damn thats so op

[bitter stirrup]

Nah it's not really that good it's basically just an 11.11% global damage boost

[wide wigeon]

lmao some would be drowning in nmares

[formal kindle]

If i piss my pants i shouls at least get something in return!

[bitter stirrup]

The best part about it is Demeter yelling

[wide wigeon]

have another!

[timid hatch]

Well, I suppose for my first time facing VoR Eris at Frenzy 2 ALMOST beating her is reasonably good...

[wide wigeon]

i hate eris

[fathom lake]

And anotha!
Hahahhaa

[timid hatch]

Is there some rule that you get Charybdis every surface run after credits until you win again or do I just have some stupid luck here?

Surface has some ridiculous midbosses for some reason

[worldly elm]

Man how do I guarantee circes on my runs,I've been to Thessaly multiple times just for her and never got her, extremely annoying and she doesn't appear in chaos trials

I just want the damn staff aspect

💔

[jolly hound]

you don’t

[worldly elm]

😐

BRUG

I've done multiple Thessaly chaos trials

WHERE TF IS SHE

[tranquil wren]

NPCs don't show up in chaos trials

[worldly elm]

BRUUUU

[tranquil wren]

lmao

[worldly elm]

😔

GIVE ME THE GODDAMN WITCH STAFF ASPECT

CIRCE IM GOING TO FIND YOU

This is a threat

I'm going to cook one of your pigs if you don't show up

Yummy bacon

[timid hatch]

afaik the only feasible way to get guaranteed NPCs is to mod the game. There IS a mod for that apparently and technically all it does (unless you activate in chaos trial) is ensure a reasonably-likely result becomes a certain one, though it may still be a bad idea if you're submitting your runs for competitions

[worldly elm]

Is it on thunderstore?

[timid hatch]

It's on Nexus I think

[worldly elm]

Ion use that

[torn wind]

Thunderstore is what I use but 90% just for damage meter so I can see what's working in my build and what isn't

[timid hatch]

Up to you to decide if it's worth it, it's got stuff for lots of games. You could check whatever you DO use

[glass jacinth]

Just run/rerun chaos trials in Thessaly, and you'll roll it sooner or later Where did I get this impression? Disregard.

[worldly elm]

Somebody said NPC aren't there

[vapid sage]

im at 333 nights. lucky number

[timid hatch]

stares

I apparently am using Charon really wrong.

I didn't even reach Polyphemus lol

[torn wind]

Are you dropping your cast in the middle of a group and then dashing back while charging your ospecial?

[buoyant matrix]

watch a high fear run to see how it's done

[wide wigeon]

lmao twin you play hades too

hades 2

[timid hatch]

Been trying do that.

Maybe less success than mean to

[timid hatch]

Good idea

[wide wigeon]

how do you use any aspect wrong its js attack til uour enemy dies

[torn wind]

[Insert Drake laptop gif]

[crude dragon]

Charon has an Attack? I thought that was a Duo slot

[wide wigeon]

what that means

[torn wind]

If you're using charon attack for anything other than applying hitch then you're playing the weapon wrong lol

[crude dragon]

Maybe also for Heph blasts, but yeah, you almost never want to be using the Attack on Aspect of Charon

Thus its sole purpose is to open up Duos

[slim pike]

Dash strikes are still quick and serve the odd purpose

[honest wren]

I want Hades in the next smash

Zag and mel would be so perfect ugh

[torn wind]

They would at best be assist trophies or spirits

[craggy portal]

Nah they have full moveset potential

[honest wren]

I could see so many dash strikes being in smash as a dash attack haha

[craggy portal]

But I think if any indie game characters would get in it would be any of the mii costumes that we have now

[torn wind]

Yes but consider that we've yet to get a single indie game rep in smash and I doubt that will change any time soon

[honest wren]

I think they’re really gonna push the envelope as far as roster and characters goes for the next release
I mean they finally got sora haha

Yeah, that’s true

Sadly ugh

[torn wind]

The closest we've gotten to indie characters as playable in smash is mii costumes

[honest wren]

Rip

[torn wind]

Sans

[honest wren]

Ya

[crude dragon]

Mii Swordfighter Dante skin

[torn wind]

Realized that Artemis death warrant mark can land on Hecate clones and that’s really annoying lol

[timid vigil]

dashing heave charon broken

[slim pike]

A build of all time

[torn wind]

It's there. It exists. And it matters

[timid vigil]

Sounds stupid enough, I'll do it

[torn wind]

It literally is just mel axe but worse at that point

So no-aspect axe

[cunning laurel]

there's a 65 clear with no cast erupt

[hazy parrot]

yes but i didnt do it so it doesnt count

[timid hatch]

Yay, first time getting Stalwart Stand in Thessaly...

...and now I have 0 magic on Charon lmao

I think I may be likely to time out.

[crude dragon]

Well, guess you're taking Wheel in Olympus

[timid hatch]

I managed to get my magic back up to usable! Once.

Dunno how much I need on Charon when I have rare Lucid Gain?

Current cost is 30, god pool is Apollo, Poseidon, Demeter, and Ares

[crude dragon]

I believe you need 30 for the OSpecial

[timid hatch]

...nvm I think I may have increased the cost somehow and I died trying to use unusable Ospec

[torn wind]

If you’re doing giga cleaver or exceptional you’re gonna need a good deal more

[timid hatch]

lmao I think I increased the cost with Icarus omove buff, that's what went wrong. I should have taken Supply Chain

Still dunno if I would have made it through the next encounter but I MIGHT have

[torn wind]

Pom scaling on geyser is pretty big

Though explosive intent is still a straight 50 damage so not terrible

Though I don’t think it’s buffed by global damage buffs, same as “harm for the afflicted” from Medea

[safe jetty]

How much does H2 cost

[proper seal]

Hades 2 is around 30 dollars

[jolly mantle]

Sorry to bother you, but can someone tell me how to get the Chaos prophecy "Born to Win"? I've spoken to him ten times or more using his memory, but I still can't unlock the prophecy.

[tranquil wren]

need to speak with them with max rank egg keepsake

[torn wind]

I'm pretty sure I completed the born to win run before having the keepsake maxed

[lean bronze]

i think i got it without even using the egg once
But my memory could be wrong

[tranquil wren]

perhaps it doesn't need to be maxed, but you definitely need it equipped while talking to Chaos to get the prophecy

and Chaos needs to remark on you wearing it

so basically you need to talk to Chaos in a normal run with their keepsake at least twice to unlock the prophecy

you also need to have gifted chaos a minimum of 3(?) times

[lean bronze]

the above trials are traumatising

And dang
That chat about jealousy between moros and nem
Mel basically just said she does it with anyone who interests her

[torn wind]

Mel is for the streets

It’s okay, she’ll convince Icarus to write a banger indie album once he realizes she doesn’t really like him that much

[lean bronze]

crossROADS
shes already in the streets

[fossil hill]

what are the best weapons for general clears?

[lean bronze]

lets do some runs with icarus hammer keepsake as a tribute fr

[lean bronze]

personally i use moros or medea

[torn wind]

Safest weapons in the game are stuff liek circe, mel staff, eos, mel skull, nyx, morrigan

medea is really tough to get used to and not especially safe when pushing fear

[fossil hill]

i heard thanatos was good? is that outdated

[torn wind]

moros is very strong meant to say that

Than is decent but VERY VERY hammer dependent

[fossil hill]

ah

[torn wind]

If you can't go full lawnmower with psychic whirlwind then you're screwing yourself

[fossil hill]

is there a way to force the first boon to be a particular god like the first hades?

[buoyant matrix]

everything can easily "general clear" if you know how to build it

[lean bronze]

by general i thought no fear
Its a bit hard to get used to but below 30f medea still feels good

[torn wind]

God keepsakes

[buoyant matrix]

yeah, gift nectar to gods

[fossil hill]

oh so they do it again in this one?

i thought it only said that u can change one of the boons, or do i need to level up the keepsake

[torn wind]

Yeah all the main olympic god keepsakes guarantee the first god boon offered will change to that god (until you actually pick that door) and always that room 1 region 1 will be a god boon

[fossil hill]

damn, yeah i didnt know it did the same thing as hades 1

i read it and it sounded different

but noted, thank you

[torn wind]

if you don't take the god that the keepsake changes it to it will actually do it again later

So if you see a god you want more you can pass up your keepsake god and they'll come back next time

[fossil hill]

whats psychic whirlwind

[fossil hill]

thats good to know tbh ty

[torn wind]

Lets you move and attack freely while your omega attack whirlwind is active

It's insanely strong

[fossil hill]

oh is that a daedalus perk

[torn wind]

And you can even stack multiple omega attacks on top of eachother

[torn wind]

Yeah that's what I meant by hammer

[fossil hill]

ahhhh

[lean bronze]

i learnt that with no pain no scars
You can just stack hp, have all DDs
And facetank final boss

[torn wind]

I mean even still for somebody new medea can be tough to pick up

[fossil hill]

what are the top 3 godsV

i know in hades 1, athena for me was abused lol

but i cant figure out who that is in this one

[lean bronze]

indeed

[torn wind]

Generally, it goes
Zeus Hera
Apollo Hestia
Demeter Poseidon Hephaestus
Ares Aphrodite

[fossil hill]

as in combos?

[torn wind]

From best to worst overall

[lean bronze]

Hera special on torches with hereditary bane, my love

[fossil hill]

i knew ares felt buns in this compared to one

can i get duo skills without that one tarot card?

[torn wind]

Hephaestus has tons of boons that give armor and safety, zeus and hera are stupidly broken both for room clear and damage

[fossil hill]

or do i need the tarot card for duos to pop up

[torn wind]

Apollo has stuff like backburner which is really strong

hestia is a very solid curse with high flat damage buff

[fossil hill]

zeus hardly pops up for me but now i know about the keepsake thing again

[torn wind]

All gods have their uses and even some of the lower tier gods have some insanely strong duos and use cases

[fossil hill]

again with duos, do i need that one tarot card active to get them

[torn wind]

Aphrodite and Hephaestus will literally carry a run if you take a lot of damage

[torn wind]

No it just increases the chance that one will appear

[fossil hill]

ok got it ty

i took a break from hades 2 cuz i got pissed, i almost beat typhon really early on

played other games and now im back

tryin to get back into the rhythm

[torn wind]

It's a good time to get back into it with the new content coming up

[fossil hill]

new content?

like dlc?

[torn wind]

No just a patch