h2-discussion

[shut needle]

Define easy, like do you take no damage against him or is it you don't die to him?

[elfin heron]

was cerb a boss in 1? I believe there was a region with him and you bring him an item or something, maybe food

[rough lintel]

taking 0 damage

[magic valve]

he was in 1 but you didn’t fight him

[rough lintel]

it's easy to take 0 damage from him

[craggy totem]

Yah he was just chillin in H1

[rough lintel]

his attack patern is so easy to dodge

[pulsar rose]

ye the last one with tiny vermin

[rough lintel]

meanwhle, rival scylla

king von

[craggy totem]

It was more that apparently the path you needed to take to get his bribe food was RNG and this apparently made people salty

[elfin heron]

the vermin? is it the uh oh from Oceanus? is that also from the first game?

[pulsar rose]

yes

[craggy totem]

He was worse in the first game

[pulsar rose]

originally from first game and WAY more of a pain

he poisoned a lot in first game

[elfin heron]

I def need to replay 1, there are so many callbacks I have completely forgotten, it's been like 6 years

[craggy totem]

Melinoe, having grown up in a refugee/guerilla camp in the back of nowhere, is not fazed by mere vermin

[rough lintel]

imagine if rival zag is just zag with some boons on

[craggy totem]

Dear god

[pulsar rose]

im sorry

[shut needle]

She did name it the oh no at first

[pulsar rose]

ive wanted to use that sticker for so long

[pulsar rose]

“uh oh”

[magic valve]

awesome sticker

[pulsar rose]

large roar sound

oh i have more

[craggy totem]

"Uh oh, I guess they have these guys here too"

[pulsar rose]

holup i have one to uload lemme go do that one sec

[elfin heron]

uh oh is kinda annoying, basically chases you non-stop and spams adds

[craggy totem]

That's why you gotta chase him instead and beat him up before he can spam too many adds

[cunning laurel]

i dislike when hes so small and my build so flashy i lose him

[craggy totem]

Longer you leave him alive, more annoying the fight gets

[craggy totem]

Howling Soul moment to shine

[rough lintel]

king vermin vs uh oh who would win

[magic valve]

Uh oh duh

foul beast

[pulsar rose]

i found it

[magic valve]

holy fire

[elfin heron]

I just run away and shoot at him when he stops, it's a silly fight, like some anime skit lmao

[craggy totem]

Faster to not run away basically, but if it works for you then it works for you

[pulsar rose]

i lowk have some random private server with just me in it where i upload random stickers and emoji

[magic valve]

I’m stealing this btw

[pulsar rose]

grrrrrr how dare u

/j

[rough lintel]

hades 1 AND 2 reward you for just face tank and rush all bosses and time ur dodge properly

[pulsar rose]

no

[rough lintel]

with the sole exception of king chronos

yes

[pulsar rose]

i dare you try and face tank surface last boss

[rough lintel]

jsut rush all bosses

[pulsar rose]

without doing a full heart strat

[rough lintel]

????????????????????????? it is THE one boss oyu should be doing that

[pulsar rose]

you have to stay back what

[rough lintel]

just time ur dodge out of his chin attack that's it

[pulsar rose]

he will absolutely beat you up if you dont

[rough lintel]

????

[pulsar rose]

the chin thing, the tongue thingy, allat

plus those stupid eggs

[rough lintel]

you can definitely time dodge tounge

[pulsar rose]

oh 100%

you were saying just tanking

[rough lintel]

if anything, staying close to typhon make him miss you entirely with the touge

[elfin heron]

I basically did just that, the boss is stationary so you can just unload while making sure to dodge the big and obvious moves, the fight ended very fast

[rough lintel]

LOL

[rough lintel]

hades 1 AND 2 reward you for just face tank and rush all bosses and time ur dodge properly???????????????????

[pulsar rose]

gimme a minute i need to think of a comeback to that

[rough lintel]

that's what i said ???????????????

[pulsar rose]

oh mb

[rough lintel]

typhon is the easiest boss in this game coz once u reach base typhon u have 40+ boons

[pulsar rose]

spoiler that

[craggy totem]

Typhon is not 1.0 exclusive

[pulsar rose]

?

wdym i thought u have to spoiler all the late stuff

[craggy totem]

You're in #h2-discussion , only post-1.0 stuff needs to be spoilertagged

It's in the channel description, look up

[pulsar rose]

ah ok

[elfin heron]

this is so underwhelming, you reach the summit and you think I'm fked, but then you just steamroll the boss with pure brute force

[pulsar rose]

anyways gtg

[rough lintel]

coz story wise he's not meant to be stronger than chronos

[elfin heron]

literally father of all monsters

[magic valve]

I didn’t mind it after Prometheus being so tough on my first few runs lol

[craggy totem]

The real monster was the fathers we were born to along the way

[elfin heron]

Prometheus is weird, I first tried him without taking too much damage the first time (then died to the summit enemies), then proceeded to die to him 3 times in a row, then finally survived with 7 hp and beat Typhon

I really dislike the second foresight attack, you need to pause and say out loud which lane is safe

[craggy totem]

I mean, you (general "you") don't need to pause

And some people don't bother memorizing at all

[elfin heron]

yeah maybe if your reaction is god like, but I'm getting old

[craggy totem]

I am almost definitely older than you

I just say the safe zones out loud as I go along :P

[rough lintel]

i just dodge all flame haha

don't bother memorising

[elfin heron]

probably not actually

[craggy totem]

The other day I was filling out a survey and the demographic section put me in "middle aged"

The absolute temerity of it. The sheer audacity.

[elfin heron]

is the timing really precise? I watched a guy aura farm like this in a video

[rough lintel]

my method is to stand in the first flame safe zone, dps heracles, and once the first flame is shot i just time my dodge

it's the same everytime

[magic valve]

I tend to find the second phase of flames are usually in a safe pattern where if you go from the bottom of the screen to the top and back down you’ll be fine most of the time

[rough lintel]

fun fact, if you run frenzy 2, you can just match ur base dodge cooldown with the attack ahha

[craggy totem]

TFW Stutter Step

But anyway, another thing to note is that the flame patterns aren't actually completely random

[rough lintel]

yes

[craggy totem]

There's a set bag of patterns that Prom pulls from

So if you get used to 'em, you can kinda think of them in a more holistic way rather than one-by-one at the end

[elfin heron]

my last run it was bottom, top, top, middle, middle

the safe lanes, not the fire

[magic valve]

most of the time

[elfin heron]

my first attempt was an easy win because I just dodged back and forth on 2 lanes and that was the actual pattern lol

but I just got lucky and the pattern can be anything

I need to learn how to dash this, simon says stuff is annoying

[rough lintel]

if you are going to dodge prom's flame, makes sure you dash into the flame

same for all attacks in hades 2

beside that funny attack from hecate and chronos

[elfin heron]

in the video they stand in the center and dash from left to right, but you have to get into the rhythm

I wish there was a boss practice mode or something

like in Dead Cells

[craggy totem]

For sure, ideally with a build editor

As is, people who want to repeatedly practice bosses in isolation use save states

[elfin heron]

I suppose you could safely quit outside a boss room, turn off Steam cloud and just back up the whole save folder

it's cheating though obviously

[cunning laurel]

theres a good practice mod on thunderstore

[craggy totem]

You don't have to turn off Steam cloud, you just make a copy of the savefile and rename into one of the other save slots

Doesn't interfere with your main save that way

[elfin heron]

I don't want to do it anyway, takes away all the thrill when you can just make a permament save in any room

but yeah if they keep updating the game, we should ask for a boss practice mode

maybe via Chaos trials, you get some basic build for each weapon + fight the boss immediately, no need to complete the region first

[craggy totem]

@unkempt zodiac

[unkempt zodiac]

I've been summoned

Yo supergiant

Please add chaos trial editor

Thanks in advance

[torn wind]

New chaos trial editor, literally everything is just tonics and you only get god keepsakes that you can’t use because nothing rolls as a boon

And then final keepsake is antler

[proper seal]

I have been taking constant L's ever since I focused on the minor prophecies 😭

[torn wind]

Or it just gives you discordant bell for the whole run

To at least give you some scaling but guarantee you die instantly on Chronos

[rustic basin]

Probably gonna lose this 63F run cuz the only card I didn't pull with Judgment is Origination lmao

Guess that's what I get for tossing FW

[stuck minnow]

Hmm

Considering removing Persistence and Wayward Son for Artificer

Not for Artificer's sake, but to activate the Queen and Divinity

My current build is this https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiXQ==

But if I enable Artificer, it'd look like this https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjOCIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMxOCIsImMyMCIsImMyMSIsImMyMiIsImMyMyIsImMyNCJd

Not sure it's entirely worth that trade tho

I mean I will probably get a Heroic boon right away as long as I have a keepsake on, horray?

But I'm trading sustain for that

[bitter stirrup]

Are you speedrunning or something

[stuck minnow]

no

[bitter stirrup]

Cause otherwise not having Persistence is kinda crazy to me

[stuck minnow]

I ran without it for a bit

It's not a huge deal, you can compensate

Grabbing ashes for the +5 health is nice and adds up after a while

[still mantle]

Bruh

[calm flicker]

I can never not equip Sorceress, Persistence, & Origination.

[stuck minnow]

Sorceress I get

Losing the Omega speed is miserable feeling

You can work with it tho

After all, if you're running Axe then you're probably running an attack-based build anyway

Omegas aren't a requirement

But an Omega Special build with the axe is really funny

Chronos when he's struck with the full wrath of the sun four times in a row

Though you will need Talent from Chaos to make that even remotely useable
Even with a powerful Gain (Born Gain included) you will run out of Magick so fast otherwise

And I know because I ran that build and lost because I kept running out of Magick in the middle of fights

[rough lintel]

#🇯🇵Japan is turning footsteps into electricity! 4 Using piezoelectric tiles, every step you take generates a small amount of energy. Millions of steps together can power LED lights and displays in busy places like Shibuya Station. A brilliant way to create a sustainable and smart city

[rough lintel]

Same

[still mantle]

Charon:

[stuck minnow]

Thanks for the ad

[torn wind]

Chronos when I beat him with hammers repeatedly with triple Hephaestus blasts

[stuck minnow]

Aside from Charon

[still mantle]

Ok

[stuck minnow]

But in Charon's case you're kinda mixing cast and special anyway

[dry whale]

What would you guys say is the amount of fear the average player is capable of beating?

[proper seal]

I would say around 20 fear

[calm flicker]

Oh. Chaos' Revival ( x per room) ignores Scars...?
I had Wayward Son, the Revival was labeled to 11, & lv 1 Scars... so it should've been heal 12 per room, but it was 15 instead.

[jolly hound]

24% of players get the credits. So a 0 fear win is above average. I think you can do 20 ez and if you still want more give it two months and you’ll be at 40

[torn wind]

20 is definitely intended to be hardly more difficult than base difficulty

If you know what vows to take

If you play at a decent pace then time is free

Frenzy is a lot of fear and good to get used to

Hubris is honestly something I prefer playing with

Just between those three that’s already 14 fear

[dry whale]

I figured the average player wouldnt get past 25

[torn wind]

Fangs is also pretty easy to take for the amount of fear but CAN create some annoying situations

[merry echo]

I like to keep the fear low then raise it up a little bit everytime I win

It's fun that way

[torn wind]

The thing is that it’s entirely up to the dedication of the player

I’d say around like 40 fear is where it starts to become a genuine ability limitation rather than just patience and luck

50 fear kicks my ass while 40 fear I’ve like a 90% win rate on

But I’d say for the average player 25-32 is a real cutoff point

[dry whale]

I find 50 fear easy with 1 aspect and super tough with all the others lmao

I usually play 40 fear

40 fear just feels good

[torn wind]

40 fear is a nice balance where it doesn’t feel like the game is trying to frustrate me

[icy flame]

which aspect?

[dry whale]

I main circe, so circe

[torn wind]

40 fear feels entirely fair since you likely don’t have scars, pain, grit or wards yet

[dry whale]

Scars and void are no gos for me

[broken creek]

Void you shouldn't touch until above 62 tbf

[dry whale]

I can have scars at 1 tho

[torn wind]

Scars pain grit and wards together are where the wall starts to form, but hordes is the real point of no return

[dry whale]

I find hordes really fun on lower fear

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I used 2 rolls on it on my only Scars 4 run knowing it goes through that, didn't get it though

[proper seal]

I cant do Frenzy 2, the enemies move too fast

[dry whale]

Only the erebus enemies give me a tough time with frenzy 2...i hate them

[jolly hound]

Lose 10 more times then it’ll be second nature.

[proper seal]

I already lost more than 10 times trying to complete minor prophecies 😭

[bitter stirrup]

I turned on Frenzy while I was doing the story clears to be able to get used to it

That's usually what most people recommend anyway if you plan to do 32+ fear

[dry whale]

I like to have frenzy on 100% of the time even if i have nothin else on

Cuz turnin it on and off really messes me up

U might aswell keep it on

[jovial garden]

Man
Great Chaos Above is cooking me so bad
It feels like I never roll aspect of Medea or a torch aspect that isn't Supay

[rough lintel]

50 not 40

40 is free lol

Frenzy 2, rival 4 and time 3 is already 20

Add fang shadow max hubris

[broken creek]

Yeah you only start adding in the actual problems at 45+

[rough lintel]

Like ward and denial

[broken creek]

Grit, hoards, scars3, and pain stay off entirely until then

[rough lintel]

And horde

Grit is ok ish on surfave coz ur op

Grit 3 on surface isnt as obnoxious

Grit 3 on uw is diabolical, 60k hp chronos phase 3

[dry whale]

I can do 50 fear pretty well on surface

On UW its alot harder

[rough lintel]

SEE IM NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO SAID UW IS HARDER

[dry whale]

Yesss 😭

[broken creek]

Uw is easier imo cuz the rooms are so much easier

[dry whale]

Id rather fight vow typhon then vow chronos anyday

[rough lintel]

maybe at 62 surf is harder

[jovial garden]

UW is way harder for sure

[broken creek]

Surface a bad thessaly room or olympus kills any run

[rough lintel]

But around 50 its easier

[jovial garden]

I feel like you get more OP easier on surface

[broken creek]

UW only thing that will kill you is gramps or scylla and both are very learnable

And surface timer is actually a nightmare the entire run

[rough lintel]

Thats what ive been saying and the coat gang guy keep on clowning me

[dry whale]

I find vow scylla easy but vow cerberus a pain

[jovial garden]

Fkn rivals Scylla is so unfair I swear.
Whilst rivals Eris is pretty easy

[broken creek]

Scylla is fine until 62+ tbh

Since as long as you can heal it off and she won't 2 shot you then its fine

[torn wind]

But would you consider yourself a regular player of skill-based video games and roguelikes

I think for the average person picking up the game to experience it there’s a wall past 40 where the vows you have to start taking for more fear get harder

[jovial garden]

I feel like rivals Hecate is kinda overtuned though. And rivals Cyclops is too much of a waiting game

[dry whale]

Rivals polyphemus is my favourite rivals fight

[rough lintel]

With max acana its not too bad

[torn wind]

I mean I can take my dad for example who played nearly all of Hades 1 and is near the exact same playtime as me in Hades 2 and he still regularly struggles on 20-32 fear

He’s an “average player”

[rough lintel]

Its like the golden rubert machine kinda things

[torn wind]

Plays video games decently often but not a ton of skill based stuff

And like… old

[rough lintel]

Rube golberg

[torn wind]

My dad hits a wall at not even 32 fear

[rough lintel]

Hades 2 is skillbased?

[torn wind]

So 40 fear is likely something he won’t even touch

[rough lintel]

Its more of game knowledge than skill tbh

[torn wind]

You still have to execute

[crude dragon]

People taking Vow of Void for some reason:

[torn wind]

I can know all of Smash Bros very in-depth but I still have to execute

There’s skill to any game

[jovial garden]

Void is just diabolical lmao

[torn wind]

Game knowledge means jack if you can’t actually execute on it

But game knowledge is a part of skill

Ability to recollect things is a learned thing

[jolly hound]

Yes lose 10 more, it took me about 20 to get the hang of it. Or if you wanna be a baller, throw on hordes 3, get your ass whooped 5x, then turn off hordes3 and you’re like wow this is now doable

Like Goku training in a weighted vest basically

[jovial garden]

Right.
Like I know how to do pretty much all the skips and speedrunning tricks in super metroid but I could never pull them off lmao

[dry whale]

I like blitz 🙂

[torn wind]

Exactly. The average person has a mechanical limitation to do things

I suck at fighting games because of execution

[rough lintel]

Who doesnt

[torn wind]

I just simply can’t do them. I’m at least able to get pretty far in this game due to game knowledge with slightly above average skill

[rough lintel]

Blitz too op

[torn wind]

Chronos

When I electrocute him 5000 times

[jovial garden]

Thermal Dynamics go brrrr

[dry whale]

If we get hades 3 i want aspect of chronos so bad

[jovial garden]

Instead of a hades 3 I think they could release a DLC for this game honestly

I'd buy it in a heartbeat

[torn wind]

Or a new IP

[dry whale]

I agree

My main desire rn is a animated series

[torn wind]

I’d be happy with some more supplemental hades material then just getting a new IP

[jovial garden]

Persephone: Come to bed Hades, we gotta craft the protagonist of Hades 3.

Hades: dried up Yes honey.

[dry whale]

😭

A dlc would be best

[proper seal]

honestly grit 1 is the playstyle thatll help the most lol

[torn wind]

“I sure hope everything goes well and this H3 protagonist isn’t tormented by a relative or something”

[jovial garden]

Probably Gaia honestly, she still hates Zeus and the gods pantheon.

[torn wind]

Except we literally praise Gaia in this game

But I guess yeah that could work

We’re not Olympian

[jovial garden]

In the original mythology she's the one who gave birth to Typhon to destroy the olympians and Zeus specifically.

[torn wind]

Yeah with her son

Wonder how they’d sidestep that

[dry whale]

I kmow nothin about the mythology outside the hades games

I want too so bad

[torn wind]

They already had to sidestep Hera and Zeus being siblings and Persephone being Hades’ niece

Had to make Hera, Demeter, and Hestia children of Hyperion instead of Chronos

[jovial garden]

There are some pretty cool videos that explain it on youtube, I usually put em on in the background while I do other stuff. It's fun to listen to.

[torn wind]

Which isn’t much better that’s still cousins

[dry whale]

Do u have any reccomemdations?

[torn wind]

Greek mythology has the gene pool of a noble family

And all the pettiness to go along with it

Also like Hades is one of the few games I play that I don’t put on a video in the background to listen to. I’m fully invested in this

[dry whale]

I have videos on for everythin lmao

[jovial garden]

My personal favorite is a channel called "TheMythologyGuy1", he talks not only abour greek mythology but just mythology in general, as well as analyze mythological games in general like GOW and Hades 1, not hades 2 yet.
He has good narration.

[torn wind]

I do videos during most roguelikes or monster hunter and Helldivers, but hades I just play it without distraction

[jovial garden]

Yeah same, I can't play Hades with stuff in the background. I tryhard it way too much bruh

[dry whale]

I play hades better when its muted and i have a youtube vid on 💀😭

Im strange...

[jovial garden]

Adhd type shi

[dry whale]

Exactly

[broken glen]

Ritalin-core

[dry whale]

Only games i have ever been able to fully immerse in are hollow knight and silksong

[torn wind]

I like hearing every clang of a hammer caving in typhon’s skull in full clarity

[dry whale]

Is there a lore reason why i cant see that mfs hp bar

[jovial garden]

Nah, he just built like that

[torn wind]

No it’s just for the vibe to intimidate new players

[broken glen]

Too big

[torn wind]

I mean he literally just breaks it by roaring really loud

[jovial garden]

You don't really need it after the 3rd fight though, you get used to noticing each phase

[broken glen]

Melinoe is able to sense a creature’s life force though, and Typhon has a way to… hide it? From why I remember from dialogue

[torn wind]

I spend more time in transitions and minion phases than fighting Typhon

[rough lintel]

Blitz then scorch is the best for dps

[torn wind]

Who needs a healthbar when I’m bonking him for 3000 damage every 2 seconds

[dry whale]

I found typhon so underwhelmin in general

His buildup was so sick but i beat him first try

[torn wind]

I actually did really bad the first time but it was a weak run if I recall. I didn’t pick up on his patterns fast enough

[jovial garden]

I think I struggle more with his eye than with Typhon himself lmao

[rough lintel]

Coz surface mel is insane

Surface mel is so strong

[dry whale]

I HATE the eye

[rough lintel]

I hate the tail more funnily enough

[broken glen]

||the whole summit segment is just the reheated leftovers of the spine from transistor||

[rough lintel]

Eye u can just rush it

[dry whale]

Yh i was runnin mel coat at the time with about 30 hours in the game and blitzed thur typhon first time

I struggled more with the tail that run

[jovial garden]

The thing with the tail is that it has a pretty easy pattern. The eye is just a ton of random BS sent at you constantly

At least for me idk

[dry whale]

I agree

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah tail for me is easier to avoid damage but eye is easier to beat quickly

[broken glen]

I never knew that the tail’s charge attack was an insta kill for a LONG time due to just how fast I was killing it 💀

[dry whale]

The summit was so meh

[jovial garden]

Wait what

[dry whale]

It insta kills!?

[bitter stirrup]

Though tail is more annoying with something like Medea where you have to make contact so you can't really do DPS when it's drilling eggs or pincering

[broken glen]

You know that attack where it goes to one side and charges a big blast. It’ll almost always take a DD (and will probably kill you on strength unless you’re REALLY bulky)

[jovial garden]

Oh yeah, when using Medea aspect eye is best, literally takes 1 second to kill, it's hilarious

[broken glen]

It’s similar to chronos’ circle move

Where it technically isn’t an “insta-kill” but it does enough damage to be

[dry whale]

What is the hardest rival boss for yall?

[jovial garden]

Ohhhhh
I think I just never dared to take it because it is so easy to avoid by just... standing behind it

[broken creek]

Scylla and p2 gramps specifically

[broken glen]

Sirens is probably the hardest objectively, but I struggle with p2 & p3 chronos due to choking

[proper seal]

easily Scylla

[jovial garden]

Rivals scylla and it's not even close. Carybdis needs to die.

[final saddle]

Rn it’s either Cerberus or Polyphemus respectively, although I haven’t fought 3 of them (Prometheus and the final bosses) so I’d assume this is gonna change soonish

[buoyant matrix]

either scylla or chronos

[dry whale]

I find this very interesting

Because i find rivals scylla really easy even on high fear

But i struggle on rivals prometheus

[jovial garden]

I usually lock in pretty hard on rivals Prometheus too, if you let your guard down your health bar can melt pretty quick.

[broken creek]

What do you consider high

[dry whale]

Recently im winnin consistently at 55

[broken glen]

Promacles is a fight that you need to learn (there’s great guides) with things like the active/passive attack patterns

[broken creek]

Ok scylla becomes a nightmare at 62 and its not close

Anything lower and she is pretty easy

[rough lintel]

Scylla

Worse than einstein

[bitter stirrup]

For me it's Chronos by a lot (though I've only fought Typhon twice), when I play Rivals UW I pretty much always plan to have Heinous Affront or Hitch so Scylla isn't too bad (I only play up to 40s fear though)

[rough lintel]

Scylla with grit max and forfeit on makes ur life hell (unless u pulled hitch)

[broken glen]

basically each of the combatants have an attack and a passive mode, where 1 of them will rush at you while the other attacks at range. They’ll switch about every 10 or so attacks(?) and keeping track of it is a great way to not get hit randomly

[buoyant matrix]

you can just skill solution through it

obviously easier said than done

[rough lintel]

If u play on the switch lite 5” screen u wouldnt say that

[buoyant matrix]

oh yeah i heard there's visibility issues on switch because of the small screen

[rough lintel]

Yep

[jovial garden]

Do you guys find Fates' Whim stronger or do you guys prefer a more controlled run?
I personally always do FW and just reroll the start.

[rough lintel]

With pain 3 charybdis little orb deals 10 each hit

[dry whale]

I just dont get hit fr

[jovial garden]

Yeah like just don't be sad come on

[dry whale]

Real

[broken creek]

Fw 100%

Fw with ok luck especially at high fear outscales anything rerolls could give and its not close

Since fw also enables chrolex which is such a crazy econ keepsake

[dry whale]

I always have jewllpom prioritized

[buoyant matrix]

oh plum did you see my 67 clear

[jovial garden]

Fr. Jeweled Pom is such a STRONG keepsake and Time Piece is so insanely OP it's kinda crazy, I'm always afraid they'll nerf it.

[jovial garden]

Not the chrolex ☠️☠️☠️

[broken glen]

Congrats on the clear

[dry whale]

Can u give tips for 67 please? 🙏

[buoyant matrix]

just hit™ and just dodge™

[broken creek]

I did i did congrats twin

[buoyant matrix]

oh also evade evade evade was a paid actor in my run lol

[broken creek]

I uninstalled the game since I got burnt out and losing my 3 67 runs pissed me off, great to see ya clear it though

[jovial garden]

Just dodge all the attacks and kill everything, got it.

[dry whale]

Pretty straightforward

Shouldnt be too bad

[crude dragon]

You really want to focus on Boons that will work without Duos or T2s, because between the scarcity of them due to Onion and Denial thinning your pool, you're very likely to not get those secondary boons because you need something else more

[rough lintel]

my son will re roll his seed seed until he get zeus

[crude dragon]

First-room hammer

[wispy storm]

anyone got a recommendation for any particular guide? seems like a fun thing to study up on rq

[wise wave]

Check @boated on youtube

[cold pumice]

seconded

[bitter stirrup]

thirded, boated is goated

[south thorn]

...i want the arcana cards as merch

[normal warren]

These merch drops feel extremely out of touch, 400 bucks for a jacket made of 100% polyester is outrageous

[cursive nacelle]

seems the site they collabed with is pretty expensive in general

[pulsar rose]

FR

and the jacket honestly doesnt even look that good if im being honest

the star of the show is easily the watch

but like i dont even see any precious metals on it or anything, how is it 380 dollars??

[pulsar rose]

omg yess

[stuck minnow]

Medea is kicking my ASS dawg

[pulsar rose]

whats the best staff aspect?

i wanna use it since its my easiest nightmare rn, but i literally never do use it so i'd love to know a good aspect for it

[old veldt]

Circe and Mel are the best probably

[pulsar rose]

tbh ima just do mel since its at 5 and the special power boost seems nice

[old veldt]

Hidden is also good

[pulsar rose]

yeah i kinda like circe but i always forget to cast lol

dont have the hidden yet

ill just do mel, ty

[bitter stirrup]

Mel meta is Zeus attack, Hera/Aphrodite/Apollo/Demeter/Ares on special

[pulsar rose]

oh awesome i have that exactly by accident

oh WOW this is really good

attack special attack special

blitz gets spammed

[bitter stirrup]

Yup exactly (you could also use omegas with the magick but I don't)

[pulsar rose]

i needa use this more i just beat ephyra in 1:30

[old veldt]

try to dash strike>normal

[pulsar rose]

ooo ok

[old veldt]

idt the damage is higher, but im pretty sure the range is better plus you get the benefits of dashes, aka more mobility

[pulsar rose]

yeah this is so busted, especially since i got gigaros dash from || jeweled pom ||

[jolly hound]

have you heard about our lord and savior mirrored thrasher it allows for double speed attacks

[pulsar rose]

ooo

question, what are the requirements for circe giving || familiar skins? ||

[craggy totem]

Someone the other day said you've got to max at least one familiar

[pulsar rose]

i have raki max

[old veldt]

and u also need to use 20 treats im pretty sure

[pulsar rose]

ah

that explains it, ty

ugghghghgh im too lazy to make more since i have no stardust

its ok it'll be worth it

[cunning laurel]

order it

[pulsar rose]

just got arc flash, im bouta DECIMATE eris

i have like no bones since i always artificer them lol

i am zooming holy

in 3 minutes i just did area 2 of surface

(i forgot the name)

[craggy totem]

Rift of Thessaly

[pulsar rose]

ty

moon beam takes away fates whim right

what am i say ofc it does

[craggy totem]

Read the Fates' Whim description and follow it exactly

[cunning laurel]

why are you considering moon beam rn

[pulsar rose]

IDK WHAT TO USE OK

[craggy totem]

It turns off if you use 1) Olympian-summoning keepsakes or 2) fate dice

[pulsar rose]

yeah ik i had a brain fart on whether selene was olympian or not

[craggy totem]

Does Moon Beam A) summon B) an Olympian

Answer: no, she is not an Olympian

[pulsar rose]

oh

cool

[craggy totem]

If you open the codex, it lists the Olympians

[pulsar rose]

anyways what do i use, ive already used pom and chrolex

[craggy totem]

Card? :P

Hammer if you're on an aspect with no bad hammers

[cunning laurel]

hammer bones card

[pulsar rose]

i just beat thessaly i only have 2 more switches counting this one

hammer? i dont have it leveled tho

[craggy totem]

Those three are suggestions for what to take in Olympus

[pulsar rose]

ah ok

[cunning laurel]

perfect time to level it

[pulsar rose]

mk

ill use bones for before typhon then, ty

ooo dual moonshot

[crude dragon]

A shame it won't last until Typhon, but Prometheus is the harder fight anyways

[pulsar rose]

i take vampiric cataclysm here right? out of extending wallhop, vampiric cataclysm, and cross cataclysm

yeah i take cataclysm

*vampiric

[proper seal]

Pom, Card, Hammer and Metallic Droplet are the keepsakes i use in order

[cunning laurel]

you always droplet r4?

[proper seal]

But ill sometimes switch droplet with fang or fleece depending on the weapon

[proper seal]

Not always

[cunning laurel]

when are you using fleece

[proper seal]

When I take alot of damage and have a weapon where I use omega attacks alot

So like Axe, Skull, and Staff

[cunning laurel]

droplet is better every single time you could take fleece

or fang or antler, it should never be fleece

[pulsar rose]

hammer ranked up RIGHT before it expired

🔥

[proper seal]

Oh nice are you trying to max out your keepsakes?

[pulsar rose]

yep, my goal is to 100% the game

[proper seal]

Alr gl with that

[pulsar rose]

gonna take forever but

just did an impulse decision

gave up my boons of hera including born gain

and now i have no rush and no gain for typhon

however my zeus attack is at level 18

and i have the double bolt thing

i have 400 magick its fine

[old veldt]

you dont need it for mel staff

gain i mean

[pulsar rose]

ah

[old veldt]

rush is always cool to have

[jolly hound]

you’re gonna win, believe in yourself

[pulsar rose]

i kinda died in last phase when typhon was oneshot

i got hit by like 14 attacks at once

i was dealing like 2k per blitz too 😔

[proper seal]

Oh you took King's Ransom

[pulsar rose]

yeah, i didnt have that main important hera

[normal warren]

Yeah, they present themselves like a luxury brand while it's actually just overpriced

[pulsar rose]

IVE DONE IT.

I HAVE MAXED EVERY AXEPECT

my favorite weapon is now fully maxed out

:DDDDD

[stark lance]

I love it when my power cuts off the NANOSECOND I obliterate a boss

[pulsar rose]

RIPPPP

[stark lance]

God bless that there is a save manager

[pulsar rose]

which one 😭

[stark lance]

Fear 4 Chronos

[pulsar rose]

rip

[stark lance]

Ye it's fine it just makes backups of my save after every location

[pulsar rose]

question, how do i trigger the er

nem romance scene

ive gotten her fully maxed with gifts

and ive encountered her several times, nothing happens

[craggy totem]

It's just RNG, it'll happen during a random encounter out in the run

[pulsar rose]

mk

does it have to be in erebus?

[cunning laurel]

no

[pulsar rose]

alr ty

[solid epoch]

Working towards that myself
Tryna 100% the game
Every recipe, task, upgrade, achievement, etc

[proper seal]

It should save

[wide wigeon]

hell yeah same

I js need more nightmare

but i cant stop trying fresh file lately

[night acorn]

Hi any news if the game ll receive major updates or the game finished?

[crude dragon]

Game's finished

[fallen timber]

Hello

[proper seal]

game is in full release

[stuck minnow]

I don't like the coat all that much

But slowly looming towards Eris while charging my Omega Attack is pretty funny

[stark lance]

Do you just end up left clicking through runs with it?

[stuck minnow]

No

I mostly focused on the Special actually

Didn't feel very good

[stark lance]

Black Coat is literally just hold left click to win

Or right click to win

In general you just spam Omega attacks

[stuck minnow]

I feel like I'm more effective with Zorephet

[cunning laurel]

on coat? no you dont

[stuck minnow]

I clear out rooms in seconds with the Axe, but it sometimes takes me upwards of a minute to fight a miniboss with the Coat

[cunning laurel]

how are you building it to struggle that much lol

[stark lance]

Kinda just feels like it lol just build Special and nuke things

[stuck minnow]

Hera

[stark lance]

You can probably just clobber left click through runs at lower fear

[stuck minnow]

I was recommended to use Hera

So I used Hera

[crude dragon]

Hera on what?

[jolly hound]

You want tick damage on coat attack like on hit effects such as Zeus Poseidon and Hestia; Hera works for the dash or cast but not the best choice for the attack

[stark lance]

Ehhhhh on the coat honestly you can build almost anything and it'll work but you will mostly love Apollo, Hestia, Poseidon, Zeus, stuff like that

[stuck minnow]

So I was lied to

[stark lance]

On Special anyway

Ares is okay as well

[cunning laurel]

apollo special is not it

[crude dragon]

On the Coat? On the staff or even axe, sure, but the Coat's not nearly as versatile

[stuck minnow]

the main benefit of Apollo doesn't really apply for the Coat
At least not on the Special

[crude dragon]

Apollo Special on Coat sounds like self-sabotage

Besides the hidden Coat, but Shiva doesn't play the same

[stuck minnow]

The rockets don't have AOE as far as I can tell, so Apollo does nothing for it

[stark lance]

Oh I don't care about the AOE it just amps the damage lmao

[stuck minnow]

Then use Hera

[cunning laurel]

and the damage starts bad

[buoyant matrix]

apollo attack is great on coat

special not so much

[stuck minnow]

Hera's % damage boost is higher than Apollo's

[crude dragon]

Then why not use Aphro or Hera at that point?

[crude dragon]

It's higher at Common but scales worse

[stuck minnow]

And Aphrodite's bonus is absolutely wild if you're actually at range for it

[stark lance]

Because the Lion simply takes whatever the game gives him

[cunning laurel]

but you said apollo is good

[stuck minnow]

Me when Keepsakes

[stark lance]

Ye it's okay

[cunning laurel]

its probably the single worst option

[crude dragon]

The lion should be a bit more picky if the lion isn't running Denial

[cunning laurel]

yea every special is better than apollo lol

[crude dragon]

Even on Fate's Whim, it's questionable

[craggy totem]

I love coat but Apollo special on normal coats is a bit of a 'but why'

And I didn't use rerolls for a single one of my normal runs even before I unlocked FW keepsakes

I was whimming before I got any benefits out of whimming and I literally have coat in my server nick and I am still like 'why'

[stuck minnow]

Weapons that specialize in single-target obliteration don't make very good use of Apollo

[stark lance]

The Lion does not reroll, he simply wins the run like God intended, by randomly upgrading his special to Heroic with Hera and then doubling it's level from 12 to 24 with Echo

[buoyant matrix]

shiva apollo attack is good at bossing idk

[stuck minnow]

Okay but we aren't really talking about Shiva

We're talking about the coat in general, and Shiva is very different

[stark lance]

Seeing this is better than acupuncture https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393582125089034311/1471202778201329685/xm6MSGs.png?ex=69989fdb&is=69974e5b&hm=d5a81a18366a60737e7eff80bb8b56d28666d0d005bebef9f7dca1fb3027e3b2&

Well embed failure. Just imagine Level 16 Nova Strike

[crude dragon]

Yeah, but isn't Ares ideal if you're using Shiva as intended?

[cunning laurel]

eh apollo attack is best

[crude dragon]

That's Attack, we were questioning you taking it on the Special

[cunning laurel]

its usable but worse than hera or zeus

[stark lance]

Because I use the minimum amount of braincells to make choices and maximum amount to dodge. I see big number I click on it

[craggy totem]

Hera is so good on every coat special tbh, regardless of aspect

Slay, Queen (of the Gods)

[stuck minnow]

Apollo is best used on weapons with already sizable AOEs, at least on paper
Because a % size increase is better on already large attacks

If there is no AOE, or it's of negligible size, than any other god would probably be better

[craggy totem]

Actually, funny thing about that, apparently the specifics of the size increases are hardcoded and different from weapon to weapon

[stuck minnow]

Oh I am aware

But it's still like 20% at minimum

Which is hilarious on Axe Special, because it makes the Omega basically fill the screen completely

[stark lance]

Chronos watching in horror as I pull out the Department of Home Defense Aspect

[proper seal]

whoever made the arcana prophecy to play 1 run with all the arcana cards I HOPE YOUR PILLOWS ARE WARM ON BOTH SIDES

[stark lance]

You mean without?

[craggy totem]

Prophecy doesn't require all cards in one run

[crude dragon]

You don't have to have them all active on the same run

[stuck minnow]

You can't use them all at once
It just means you will use them all, not all at the same time

[proper seal]

I know that but I have been trying to complete a run with the fates and champions AND JUDGEMENT

[stuck minnow]

JUDGEMENT

THY END IS NOW

[crude dragon]

No, bro means with, there's a prophecy to beat Chronos with every card at least once

[weary dragon]

judgement is easy

[stuck minnow]

WEAK

[crude dragon]

PREPARE THYSELF

[stuck minnow]

PUNISHMENT

[proper seal]

yeah like its easier said than done

[stark lance]

Time to employ the help of the big lady on the island

[weary dragon]

nah its actually easy

[stuck minnow]

Chronos actually kinda sounds like Minos

[crude dragon]

to beat Chronos

[prisma geyser]

barks a bit

[stuck minnow]

Bro just get good

[stark lance]

Yes. Yknow, the keepsake

[proper seal]

fates and champions plus Circe's keepsake to RNG to get judgement? not bad right? but then I have to rely on strength to get me to Tartarus without dying

[crude dragon]

Typhon's prophecy is to win against him with every weapon

[stuck minnow]

I run strength

Strength is goated

[proper seal]

good for you because once im done with that prophecy im going back to death defiances

[weary dragon]

just do normal build and run judgement strenght and something else

[crude dragon]

Just git gud

[stuck minnow]

Also you can still use Keepsakes

[stuck minnow]

Judgement requires you to have only 3 cards max I think

You physically cannot make a full build with judgement

[proper seal]

maybe my fear is too high, I have to lower the difficulty

[weary dragon]

i know ive done quite a lot of judement runs

[cunning laurel]

if its scars 3 strength sucks yea

or worse i mean

[proper seal]

I have scars disabled

[stuck minnow]

I'm having trouble against Rivals Polyphemus

[weary dragon]

i run wayward son furies and judgement for my setup

[crude dragon]

Then Strength and Death are more or less equally viable

[stuck minnow]

Medea spreads her VOMIT all over the floor

And I can't fight Poly because I'm too busy trying to not step in the Joker toxin

[cunning laurel]

why only 2 cards

[crude dragon]

Stay near the pools when possible, they clear Medea puddles near them on use

[weary dragon]

cause funsies

[crude dragon]

Might as well toss on Strength

[proper seal]

oh yea I should remove Chronos Rivals for the sake of my sanity

[weary dragon]

wait forgor strenght i do have that on

[weary dragon]

nah he easy

i say that humblely as one that beat him on 32 fear wow of rivals

[sweet folio]

bruh

screw you dyno

how the hell did logan cunningham voice so many different characters

i get there is some audio editing going on here but still

[proper seal]

he's just talented ngl

[onyx meteor]

How do I get Poseidon's last heart to unlock? The codex says

once you prove your prowess with the Rod of FIshing

[cunning laurel]

how many unique fish have you caught

[onyx meteor]

1 this run, at least 37 total.

But probably not 1 of every fish.

[quick crescent]

holy lord prometheus is tanky

[stark lance]

Mmmmmm fishhhh

[stark lance]

First time fighting him? I feel like figuring Prometheus out is all about just learning to stop face checking him and backing out between attacks

Prometheus is pretty much a restraint check, once you calm down a little and watch his patterns he becomes one of the easier bosses to no hit

[quick crescent]

Nah like third time

Danm I find my biggest problem is his like micro double hit attacks where you have to be out of range for the first so you can dodge the second

[old veldt]

huh? imo the only easiewr no hit boss is chronos and debatably eris

not considering rivals

i mean harder

[stark lance]

Just breathe in and watch him a little. Without Haste you can clobber him for like 2-3 seconds almost everytime before you have to back off

[old veldt]

not easier

[stark lance]

Prometheus was a mental block for like a singular run for me before I realized he cannot possibly hit you once you run out of his range a little

[old veldt]

... that is quite literally true for every enemy

[stark lance]

Like his attacks are extremely telegraphed

[quick crescent]

Yeah i lost 4 death defiance to hit cause he also did so much damage

[stark lance]

Nah honestly Hecate can put you in a bullet hell, Scylla is awkward if you can't break them apart a little, Cerberus basically requires you to learn dash timing if you play melee Aspects, Eris can hit you with stray bullets or barrages if you dodge awkwardly and Typhon can just randomly decide to chain attacks where dodging can feel like luck. Prometheus on the other hand just sort of telegraphs all of his attacks to the point where they are only a danger if you are kissing him in melee range

[old veldt]

Hecates bullet hells are all extremely easy to dodge, Scylla grouped together gets phased in 5 seconds, eris yeah, Cerberus is much more telegraphed and slower attacks than prom, and I never rly had that issue with Typhon but I can see it

[stark lance]

Trying out all the aspects kind of makes you feel it more

I am also talking about Rivals here and I haven't played without Haste for a while so idk

Prometheus with the pact also feels so generic

And that's good honestly, the spirit of the fight doesn't change, it just adds more things to keep track of which makes the fight more engaging

[bright sorrel]

guh

this game is so peak

[cedar field]

Is it just me or are you offered boon swaps more often with Aspect of Persephone?

I'm doing perseph^2 and only picking boons that offer the highest level (my choice on any ties) but I find myself needing to swap core boons a lot as a result.

I had to take three swaps before the first boss lmao. It killed origination

[craggy totem]

Just you

[torn wind]

That’s just a really unfortunate coincidence

[cedar field]

🙁

[naive moth]

pb 13:45 :)

[torn wind]

Underworld or surface?

[naive moth]

underworld

[torn wind]

Nice

[proper seal]

guys im on a losing streak 😭

its as if I cannot kill chronos every time

[torn wind]

Yeah he’s tough to learn at first. Then when you get to rivals chronos it becomes a whole additional mountain

He’s, in my opinion, both the hardest normal boss, for new players at least, and hardest rivals boss

Which is fitting

[proper seal]

I have killed chronos before

its just recently I have been dying every single time ive reached chronos for the past 3 days now

[cunning laurel]

any specific move you struggle with

[torn wind]

I’m mostly able to get by easier since I’m able to just kill him before he gets off any of his big attacks

But build crafting takes a good deal of game knowledge and all

[proper seal]

not really I get hit almost everytime where I try to dodge him

also I get really awful builds where I am unable to do enough damage and losing death defiance from previous stages

its so irritating

[torn wind]

Most often just stand close to him on his right

Your left

His scythe throw always comes from his left so you can avoid it easier if you stand to his right

And his dash has a lot of windup

He also always does certain things at his quarter health points in first phase and half way in second phase

So you can make sure to back up when you see his health bar get close

For his big vacuum attack just run behind him but don’t get too close or the hitbox can clip you

[proper seal]

im on the verge of crashing out all because I cant beat chronos while doing the minor prophecies at the same time

I hate Hecuba

[cunning laurel]

aw why

[torn wind]

Also if you’re close enough the one where he slashes twice can’t hit you

So really your safest place is right in his face

[proper seal]

at the same time im also trying to beat chronos with the fates and champions cards

and then get judgement out of the way

[torn wind]

Judgement can be really good late game but obviously you gotta get by being weaker early on

[proper seal]

not just that the hammers with some of the aspects ive been using have been nothing but crap to the point where RNG screws me over

[torn wind]

What weapon have you been playing

[proper seal]

mainly the axe and skulls

and I have beaten chronos with them before

I think its just RNG making me pull a Markiplier just because im trying to do minor prophecies

[torn wind]

Axe and skull have a higher skill floor in my opinion

Skull can feel really awkward at first and gets SUPER strong with the right hammers but there’s definitely some you don’t want

Same goes for axe

[jolly hound]

He’s only useful on super mana heavy aspects, if you’re not running one you should use raki

[broken glen]

I’d recommend stuff like Moros and circe (for the person you replied to) as the gameplay is so braindead that you can focus on movement

[proper seal]

no need, I only wanted to use hecuba once for a minor prophecy

but now I will gladly be switching back to toula so that I can farm the fishes

[jolly hound]

I just beat nem 5-70 lol

[bitter stirrup]

Pinheads/Numbskulls on hordes 3 moment

[proper seal]

Finally beat chronos with Hecuba

now im gonna lock in on the judgement build with circe's keepsake to help make it easier

[still mantle]

*She's

[bitter stirrup]

What's the probability of a hammer start?

[raw crater]

lowk goated icl i like the dog

its cute

[proper seal]

hecuba is cute

but I dont think shes worth it all she provides is magick

[jolly hound]

If you’re going with torches or Charon or something that likes early mana it’s a good pick otherwise go birds

[broken glen]

I know it was 25% in hades 1 and I think it’s the same here?

Though it might not be now that hex starts are added to the pool

[still mantle]

also im pretty sure you can no longer get a hammer start while you have a god keepsake

[jolly hound]

I forgot god keepsakes exist ngl

[torn wind]

Yeah I just run fates’ whim and reset when I get a trash setup

A single level of rarity is pretty weak by comparison to lvl 4 pom on most boons

It’s only worth it for gods that benefit a fair amount from rarity like Heph

[still mantle]

the humble primary effect of GUARANTEEING THE GOD

[copper bison]

I'm divided on fates whim vs god keepsakes tbh

latter's more reliable but I just can't deny that the peak of fates whim can be so strong

[copper bison]

esp since we're discussing it lv 4 pom vs boon guarantee but forgetting the nuance of stuff like Chronos keepsake and Hades boon vs basically guaranteeing four gods completely by first or second region

[naive moth]

does the level 4 pom reset if you take the keepsake off?

[copper bison]

no

[naive moth]

like for pin or hammer or whatever

[copper bison]

actually it stays that level

even with a god keepsake after

[naive moth]

so all boons stay level 4 for the rest of the run?

[copper bison]

yeah

[jolly hound]

Provided you don’t take any Olympian keepsakes including Athena

[copper bison]

oh that also resets it?

like it sends you down to base level

I swear I thought it just removed the Hades boon

[craggy totem]

Your existing boons do not get reset.

Your future boons, the ones that will get offered to you after you break FW, will no longer have the bonus.

[jolly hound]

And yes it will remove the hades boon. I’ve done it before to get stupid howling soul off me. But I do acknowledge it’s great vs chronos

just not the rest of the run lol

I just did p array Medea with heph gain that was so ratchet

[torn wind]

Selene also doesn’t reset Fates’ Whim if ever you’re so bold as to go that

No clue why you would though

[copper bison]

ah yeah that ik

I thought it just did -3 lmao

[crude dragon]

Also great for the rat and Hecate

[crude dragon]

Selene Coat run because you have made a terrible decision

[torn wind]

Game just made me pass up ripple effect for flood gain because I had tranquil gain and didn't expect to be doing a fine line and ocean swell torches build

But here we are

[copper bison]

sad that Selene coat is the way it is bc the idea of a constantly upgrading aspect intertwined with the Hex is so awesome

but like, that just how it be ig

coat in general imo leaves a lot to be desired

[torn wind]

I'd be totally fine with selene coat if it buffed normal attack and special

And not just the omegas you never use

[copper bison]

oh totally

[torn wind]

It could be fine maybe with a geyser spout winners circle build

But otherwise it's just a worse nyx coat

[copper bison]

pretty much yeah

when I was fully new to Hades II I took a look at Selene and thought “oh dope I get an aspect to use the hard hitting omega attack with!”

:clueless:

[torn wind]

If the omega attack didn't take 2 weeks to charge and hit a larger area it might be good

It's only saving grace is the block

[jolly hound]

orbital barrage is cooler in theory than in practice alas

[jovial garden]

So I just realized the Chrolex can turn the onion reward into exactly 195 gold. Makes the vow pretty much free lmao.

[torn wind]

I thought it was 150 gold. I'm assuming you had quick buck or no?

[jovial garden]

Oh my bad, I might've

150 is still pretty good though

[jolly hound]

Yeah it’s 150, Hermes quick buck affects it but Poseidon treasure doesn’t

[torn wind]

Yeah buried treasure only affects rewards and not purging

Chaos does affect purges though

It's really funny to purge a mini heart or tonic in fields and get 400+ gold cause of chaos

[jovial garden]

So what even is the META to complete a 67 fear night?

It's gotta be really specific cuz it's kinda crazy

[torn wind]

Hit enemy

[jovial garden]

Farthest I ever got was Eris

[torn wind]

Don't get hit

[jovial garden]

Hypnos ahh advice

[torn wind]

"Oh I see you died! Have you tried dying less?"

[jovial garden]

God I love these games

[torn wind]

Jeez, Aspect of Pan is so ass

[broken glen]

You get fates whim. And then you pray.

Generally, a runner will be looking for an option that is strong from the get-go and doesn’t require secondaries or duos to work

[jovial garden]

Which aspect do you usually prefer?

[broken glen]

Mel staff is the most reliable option, while Medea has the most potential- but boy is it hard to pilot

[jovial garden]

I never go out of my way to find them either honestly, they're more of an extra boon to me, and even then a lot of times I pass them up for regular boons

[jovial garden]

Interesting. Aspect of Moros is my safest option, but I haven't given Mel Staff a fair try

Which type of hammer do you prioritize tho?

[torn wind]

If you have the magick for it then the omega attack one is good but otherwise I always go for omega special as a safe option

[broken glen]

Moros is a great option in casual play, but it’s high magick expenditure will bite you with hubris and denial on (harder to get gains). As for hammers, you’ll want to take options that will help you maneuver- things like the reduced speed can be very helpful for not getting hit.

[buoyant matrix]

mel staff and it's not even close

[buoyant matrix]

dual moonshot and it's also not even close

[jovial garden]

Interesting interesting

I'ma make this my next and last goal for this game

Is the pet relevant at all?

[broken glen]

It’s great for wards!

[broken glen]

Gale all day every day.

[jovial garden]

Figured

[broken glen]

Those blocked hits are a godsend

[jovial garden]

It's like a lovers card but for a region. Also the dodge chance is nice. I always bring her with me

[buoyant matrix]

wards? you take it for boss damage

[broken glen]

Well of course but that’s obvious

Just wanted to say something else

[torn wind]

"You take cause make hit thing harder"

🧠

[buoyant matrix]

"grug see bigger number. grug happy"

[torn wind]

Just threw an insanely good build

[slim pike]

Kinda funny to think about that brief moment that mel staff was +60

[plush lagoon]

are there any mods for hades ii that lets you control RNG more because a lot of things here including story progression after you finish main story are RNG based and that is often unfair

I still can't finish some quests despite playing for long time just because i'm unlucky plus there should be way to incerase chances of getting ||legendary boon because elements are cool feature but without Hera legendary boon they are useless completing relationship level with character should grant more than just icon on keepsake||

[viral moat]

wait...there is no chef in this game?!

WTF!

WORST SEQUEL EVER!

that chef was the best part of hades 1! this is a crime of epic proportions!

[cobalt flint]

There is a bartender now though!

[cobalt flint]

For modding related questions you’ll find more luck in the modding server, which should be pinned in #self-promotion

[agile bridge]

would you guys still play hades if it was a roguelike dungeon crawler

[torn wind]

I mean I’d play a game that was like that but idk that it would work well with Hades

[agile bridge]

itd be pretty cool to see hades executed in that genre

the game not the god hades

[short raft]

Ok so i triggered all the romantic scenes with everyone, are they one offs? or do they repeat eventually? and how do i do so?

[torn wind]

They’re just one-offs

It’s just to get some extra dialogue then they eventually exhaust all of it

By like 160 runs in you’ve probably gone through everybody’s dialogue except some random encounters and the gods

I’m still getting god dialogue of them explaining lore and talking about each other and all about 180 runs in

But every crossroads character is out of dialogue

[short raft]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-depressed-eating-ice-cream-trendizisst-gif-26643979

[torn wind]

I know you wanted to give Icarus more “hugs” we get it

[short raft]

I need mods to fix this, this is unacceptable 😭

[short raft]

ONE ISNT ENOUGH, I NEED MORE, I CRAVE MORE

[torn wind]

Asking them to add a “hug Icarus” button

[short raft]

I WILL PAY FOR THIS DLC

[torn wind]

We get to pet Cerberus but we can’t hug our little dork Icarus

[bitter stirrup]

Tbh with how the art of Aphrodite and Dionysus are they could've had at least some pictures going on instead of a blank screen and text lol

Though I guess it's hard to do that when Mel and Nem get it on in the middle of fricking Tartarus

[torn wind]

Or Moros and Mel in the endless void of subconsciousness

[stuck minnow]

Dawg Rivals Polyphemus is still kicking my ASS dawg!

[torn wind]

Medea is annoying as hell during that

I end up taking half my damage while fiddling around with trying to clear poison

[final saddle]

I stick to the outside of the arena as much as I can

[stuck minnow]

Also why does Polyphemus do damage while he's jumping?

How in the hell is he hitting me while he's airborne?

[bitter stirrup]

Kick

[torn wind]

Cause you looked up his toga

Or whatever he wears

Skirt I guess

You took psychological damage

[stuck minnow]

More of a kilt

Actually no Polyphemus is wearing woolen pants

You can tell, the color and texture of his legs is slightly different than his feet

And the rest of his body for that matter

[torn wind]

Well either way him jumping over you and dealing damage is cause he kinda just floats a bit off the ground and still hits you

[stuck minnow]

Felt like he'd be jumping a bit higher than that but ok

[sudden eagle]

Rival bosses are much more difficult than extreme measures bosses in Hades 1

[celest tinsel]

I’m planning on grinding out every pitch black stone mission today, can I farm plants and cauldron items while doing this? Does it pass time?

[hasty ocean]

Yes, chaos trials pass time

[craggy totem]

You cannot get resources, but yes, you can pass time.

The shorter Chaos trials will not necessarily pass the same amount of time as a full run.

[stuck minnow]

Melinoe hovering with the Aspect of Supay

"I can never be caught tresspassing because I never step foot on private property"

Her excuse for avoiding fighting Polyphemus

[plain relic]

Lol this nergal build is actually kinda stupid even with only 2 boons.

I got Apollo attack boon, then rolled bridal glow into it, and just got the 35% attack speed hammer. I think i win

Nvm I got 0 hp rolls and got smashed

[stuck minnow]

Beat Prometheus for the first time

Then absolutely walloped Typhon

Not even joking, Typhon was actually piss-easy

[jolly hound]

tbh if you can beat promo comfortably you’re gonna win the run barring either rivals 4 or a major choke job

At one point I was 2-5 v promo and 2-0 v typhon

[stuck minnow]

Well I didn't exactly beat Prometheus comfortably

I just had like 500 health

So I could afford to mess up against his memory game attacks

But I still ended up fairly low by the end

And then I healed a lot

Because demeter

And I was at like 50 health by the end of the Typhon fight

[north heron]

im tryna finish voice an vanity and made that incantation to clear the water but i havent seen narcissus in so many runs? is it just bad luck or am i missing something?

[native herald]

Then i proceed to cast dark side and let her feet touch grass

[cunning laurel]

just bad luck yea

[jolly hound]

So you won. Based

For memory game, watch some other people on YouTube and practice memorizing their patterns with no stakes like move your finger around the computer screen to show where you’d stand and get good at it without needing to get blasted

[stuck minnow]

I just stayed in his face and wacked him the whole time

Also Icarus, uh, exploding cast

Hehe cast goes 1000

[old veldt]

Are global damage buffs additive?

Like if I have 50% from origination and 20% somewhere else is it 170 or 180

[cursive nacelle]

everything except crits/ares crits are additive

so your example would be 170

[old veldt]

Alr ty

[craggy totem]

*Every damage buff

[weak thunder]

i just bought hades 2

[dim gorge]

play some real games like madden or super monkey ball

[weak thunder]

i do not like madden

[crude dragon]

Men when game doesn't have a gun or ball

[dim gorge]

unironically those games be the most fun

lowk sad that half the ppl that play those games ONLY play those games

like other stuff is cool tho but nothing as good as 2015 PES to me

or gta 4

[viral moat]

how are you meant to deal with Chronos's mega move? the one where he does like 1k damage

I tried to go as far as possible from where it seems to be originating but it still gets me 😭

[crude dragon]

Do the polar opposite of that, it's an arena-wide donut

[viral moat]

OHHHHHHH!

wait...I can beat him then...that was all I needed! HOLD ON DADDY, I'M COMIN!

[short raft]

why does apollos cast does so much damage? im reading 175 or something in the tool tip but the actual number its NUTS

[torn wind]

The tooltip is only base damage, it’s buffed by furies, origination, and strength if you have it

Any arcanas that buff damage buff ALL damage

Including from god effects like blitz, blasts, cast damage

[dry whale]

Goddam i love the aspect of anubis

[torn wind]

It’s a funky one but really fun

[dry whale]

I love overlapping the attack and the cast its so fun

The dmg is insane

[short raft]

Whos on Attack? Hera? Pos? Hestia?

[dry whale]

I like to have zeus on attack and overlap it with hestia cast

[torn wind]

I personally find it fun with Zeus especially if you get arc flash

Zeus attack with thermal dynamics is great

[dry whale]

Real

I love all the hidden aspects so much dude

Except shiva

[torn wind]

Shiva is absolute garbage but it’s funny

Moment the wards come out it is absolute garbage if you don’t have scorch or something to break them

[short raft]

lol i once got a Hera on Attack with Dying wish and divorced, everything on the radious died instantly upon using the attack.

The animation wasnt even done or completed and everyone just POP'd

[torn wind]

Wait until you try heinous affront with light smite for the first time

Just every single enemy instantly gets evaporated

It’s incredible on hordes 3

[dry whale]

Hordes 3 is so fun on low fear

[torn wind]

Yeah for sure. But it’s such a wall at higher fear

[dry whale]

I agree

I HATE and i mean HATE how long the artemis section goes on for

[tranquil wren]

timer gets paused though 🙂

[torn wind]

At higher fear you should probably take literally every other vow first besides void lol

[brisk bison]

Hordes 3 is terrifying with max frenzy lmao

[torn wind]

It’s like jumping head first into a swarm of angry bees

[brisk bison]

YEAH

Max grit is also horrible with hordes but without frenzy at least you can get away from them

[torn wind]

You mean you don’t love getting chased by screaming guys cause you misplaced your cast and can’t outrun them?

Or getting punched to death in fields

[brisk bison]

whaaaaaat of course I do!!!

[dry whale]

I hate the punchin guys on frenzy2

I have trauma from them

[torn wind]

They were one of the main things I was afraid of turning on frenzy 2 for

Now I just always play with frenzy 2 so it’s normal

[brisk bison]

I was an always-frenzy 2 player for a long time but couldn't comfortably exceed like 24 fear or reliably do any Rivals fight above the first

Then I was like "let's do a rivals 4 32 run" and turned off frenzy and it literally feels like easy mode lol

[torn wind]

I’m at a decently consistent 40 fear with Frenzy 2 when I don’t absolutely choke a good run

Rivals 3 I don’t do Rivals 4 yet

[dry whale]

Yh i can do that too...aslong as its not includin rivalz 4

[torn wind]

I’ve beaten both rivals 4 on Frenzy 2 but I really sweated for it

[brisk bison]

I think I've cleared both rivals 4 on max frenzy but with literally no other fear besides timer

[dry whale]

I can do it on 32 pretty well

[brisk bison]

or maybe a couple of token ones

[torn wind]

I mean just timer 3 rivals 4 frenzy 2 is already 24 fear

[dry whale]

As a circe main i play defensive and not up close, wich helps for frenzy 2 alot

[torn wind]

I also like running denial

[brisk bison]

I feel like rivals 4 underworld is way harder than surface

[torn wind]

Absolutely

[dry whale]

It is

[torn wind]

Rivals typhon is just a skill check with a stage hazard and no knockdown phase

[brisk bison]

Where you lose the other 2 boons??

[dry whale]

The jump in difficulty between normal typhon and rivs typhon is debatebly the lowest diff spike of all the bosses

[dry whale]

Denial helps me more then it worsens me

[torn wind]

Yeah makes getting certain builds way faster when you don’t have rerolls because you don’t have to worry about repeats of boons you don’t want

I occasionally have to take tough decisions but it at least means I don’t see the same crap 5 times in a row

[brisk bison]

Polyphemus is a little difficult to get used to on the first two runs or so, but once you get it there's almost no practical difference in how you approach the fight

[torn wind]

It’s especially good on surface since you can plan out denial ahead of time