h2-discussion

[rough lintel]

i find 50 fears already much harder than any rougelike games i ever played before

[torn wind]

My best is 40 so far and I’m consistently under 15 minutes

So I’ve got room to spare when I go higher

[buoyant matrix]

if you're eventually planning for 62, get used to hordes3 now

[rough lintel]

bro made a statement so cooked the gang died

[broken creek]

or if you wanna progress like a normal person put hoards on 2nd to last

[torn wind]

Yeah hordes IS the difficulty spike

Timer becomes an actual concern

Max scars and pain definitely is also a big hurdle

The game gives you a lot of room for error and those two combined removes all of that

[broken creek]

knowing how to play around scars properly though really remedies that

[torn wind]

How to play scars: just don’t get hit lol

[broken creek]

like taking gonion r3 if you need it, or early pin if you drop super low

all centuar hearts are also healing technically

[torn wind]

Yeah stuff like sea star gets a lot more value I’m sure

[broken creek]

eh posiedon is niche as is

[buoyant matrix]

if you get used to it sooner you'll have less issues later 🤷‍♂️

[broken creek]

high surf is nice for clearing small ads like fish, buried treasure makes debt even more of a joke, and sea star is nice but just funny cuz the amount of times youll forget you have it, dash away, it triggers, and now you have to run back is insane

but high surf has also gotten me hit before since itll just push things back right to where im dashing

[torn wind]

Yeah lol you either waste time by sitting there waiting or rush away and then have to go back

[rough lintel]

poiseidon is good with anubis, hel and mel torch

everyone else he's kinda mid

[broken creek]

bro forgot what coat and knives are

[torn wind]

Nyx coat

Honestly just coat in general besides shiva

And yeah blades really likes Poseidon attack

Gives you a lot more area coverage and the flat damage buff is good

[rough lintel]

Knife mid

Bad bad

[torn wind]

Doesn’t mean Poseidon doesn’t help them

[rough lintel]

Coat love posei yea

I dont like coat tho

It feels clunky ahh to play

[torn wind]

Coat and blades are probably my least played yeah

But I don’t hate them

[rough lintel]

My favourite weapon is the morrigan

[broken creek]

i mean it has more 67s than flames :P

[torn wind]

It is funny how the only weapon where the hidden aspect is the best is the blades

[rough lintel]

Morrigon

[broken creek]

i think every blade has cleared 67 and like some surface too

[rough lintel]

Ragebaits used to be belieavle (shiva)

[broken creek]

flames has like one mel clear on surface??

[rough lintel]

[torn wind]

I know at least a few people that put shiva as like bottom 5 if not bottom 1

But it is funny

[rough lintel]

[torn wind]

Below even pan and Artemis

[rough lintel]

I think the best hidden aspect is anubis

Coldest take ik

[torn wind]

Best hidden aspect overall probably yeah

[rough lintel]

Feels bad for momus

[torn wind]

Nergal is decently close but does rely heavily on specific builds so drops it down a bit

[rough lintel]

Coz everything esle is op

Weapon with all 4 good aspect is axe

And flame

Nergal is good dont diss me

[torn wind]

Nergal IS good

[broken creek]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

god i forget we cant send gifs

you get the idea

[rough lintel]

All axe aspect is good

And useable

[torn wind]

Axe and flames are both pretty consistent overall but I’d say staff wins

[rough lintel]

The only weapon with no F tier

[torn wind]

Staff has 3 aspects easily in the top 10 of all aspects

[rough lintel]

Momus is ass

[broken creek]

staff and skull are easily top2 weapons

everything else is super dependent on fear

[torn wind]

Staff probably holds #2 and #3 aspects easily

[rough lintel]

Skull is amazing

But we have hel

[rough lintel]

Yea rank 1 is medea

[broken creek]

hel is still good its just specific

[torn wind]

Absolutely

[broken glen]

Yeah all torch aspects are good (supergiant couldn’t keep supay down no matter how hard they tried)

[rough lintel]

Medea with possesed array is rank 0

[torn wind]

I suck at Medea but I can’t argue with it being godly

[broken creek]

and unless we talk 67f specificity really isnt an issue

[torn wind]

Brawl Meta Knight of Hades 2

SS tier

[rough lintel]

Medea without possesed array is worse than circe tho

[broken glen]

The only way to kill supay is to kill blitz and that… ok maybe that wouldn’t be that bad actually

[torn wind]

King tide supay ♥️

[broken creek]

depends what our metric is

[rough lintel]

67

[torn wind]

I just think it’s neat

[broken creek]

well if we talk that then circe/mel staff are the best aspects in the game and its not close

[broken glen]

Circe is a fish out of water until it gets a cast boon- Medea is a monster from the get-go that can only get better

[torn wind]

Poseidon special Supay with the triple special and faster orbit is nutty

[rough lintel]

I like poseidon how he can win games with just his boons

[rough lintel]

Medea

[broken creek]

you just said 67

[rough lintel]

With parray

[broken creek]

medea will get you killed constantly in 67

and theres some fang combos you physically cant interact with

[broken glen]

Would Medea be better if it still had the cast bug

[broken creek]

idk what that was lol

[rough lintel]

Parray medea with fine line

[torn wind]

Yeah medea on 67 has to actually use omega attack and stuff right?

[broken creek]

yeah cuz certain enemy setups and fangs you just cant do anything about

[broken glen]

The damage bonus from attack & special also applied to cast, all the way until the very last EA patch

[broken creek]

lmao wtf

[broken glen]

(They finally fixed it on 1.0)

[rough lintel]

Well storm ring circe is just game winning by itself so

[broken glen]

It’s how we got the first max fear- storm ring Medea

[rough lintel]

Low cortisol gaming

Storm ring circe

Run around, press cast, run around

Profit

[torn wind]

I do enjoy winners circle circe when I feel like being a little spicy

[broken glen]

Yeah I have no idea how it went under the radar for so long (it’s because the devs never nerfed Medea because the statistics said that no one used it)

(Because it’s hard)

[rough lintel]

I still think mel staff is stronger than circe

[broken creek]

its more consistent sure

[rough lintel]

Mel soecial is strong with anim cancel

[broken creek]

mel staff needs 2 things to go live, circe needs like 3

[torn wind]

What’s the animation cancel I guess I never learned it?

[broken creek]

but circe has a higher ceiling

[torn wind]

Is it just dashing out of it?

[rough lintel]

Dash attack

[torn wind]

Got ya

[rough lintel]

Dash attack special dash attack special

[broken glen]

You can dash attack while in the endlag of your special

To cancel it

[rough lintel]

Yes

[torn wind]

That’s what I thought. That’s usually how I used it

I didn’t know if there was something I was missing

[rough lintel]

And when u get that soecial + 35%

[broken glen]

Nah it’s pretty basic tech

[hollow copper]

Hades 3

[rough lintel]

moah pefection

[broken glen]

Hades 4

[rough lintel]

We got hades, hades 2 before gta 6

[hollow copper]

Hades nuts

[torn wind]

My dad played hades 1 near to 100% and plays hades 2 and has an absolutely confusing take that Hades 2 should have co-op and I can’t help but just stare him dead in the eyes and say “no… just no”

[broken glen]

||there’s a hades 2 co-op mod in development!||

[hollow copper]

I have not played hades 2 much, why shouldn't it?

[rough lintel]

Hazard boom gaming

[torn wind]

||and it should remain a mod ||

[rough lintel]

Play risk of rain 2 coop and ull get it

[broken glen]

I think it’s just about screen clutter really, base hades 2 can already be hard to see things in

[hollow copper]

Risk of rain has a sequel??? Regardless, I haven't played RoR at all

[torn wind]

RoR2 co-op has to balance players by splitting rewards and so it becomes WAY harder to survive

[rough lintel]

Rougelite games benefit on stacking all thr buffs and boons on the same person than spreading it out onto 4

[hollow copper]

Oh, btd6

[rough lintel]

Have one hyper strong scaled char is stronger than 4

[torn wind]

Tell me first is Risk of Rain 2D or 3D

[rough lintel]

3d

[hollow copper]

I think 2d? I have not played it

[torn wind]

Okay so you’re correct

RoR2 is 3D

[hollow copper]

Ohhh

[broken glen]

Risk of rain 2 is 2D. Risk of rain 1 is 1d. That’s why there’s the number at the end

[torn wind]

I was hoping you didn’t think 2 was the first game lol

[rough lintel]

Risk of rain 2 was a sequel

Anyways

Ror2 teach me that rougelite doesnt benefit from mp

[torn wind]

[insert drake IT gif]

RoR 2 multiplayer is so ass sometimes that people just modded in shared rewards so it was somewhat bearable

[rough lintel]

Its so ass that the dev added a new character that create rewards by herself

LMAO

[torn wind]

To be fair that character was in RoR1

[rough lintel]

Its now meta to run 1 hyper carry and 3 scavenger

[torn wind]

Are the rewards also timed in RoR2?

[rough lintel]

?nah

[rough lintel]

Homage to the queen walk in COC

[torn wind]

Oh so scavenger literally can just make permanent stuff

[broken glen]

How about a competitive cooperative roguelike. You want to get the most points and whatnot but if you just get all of the rewards for yourself everyone else will die (and then you’ll die without support)

[torn wind]

In RoR1 the rewards for scavenger were on a timer

[torn wind]

Fortnite squads

Have fun with that information

Not really but I had to say it

[limpid oar]

Personally wouldn't play it as that sounds miserable with randoms and I'm generally not a fan of buying games (often a copy each!) just to maybe play with my pals a handful of times

[buoyant matrix]

friendslop

[torn wind]

Flood gain + fine line + p-array is on deck let's go

[limpid oar]

Oh there's a term for that?

[buoyant matrix]

yeah, friendslop games

[broken creek]

i love friendslop its so funny

[jolly hound]

Thanks for the new word

[tribal wharf]

Just adding “-slop” to the end of any genre as a way to slander it as part of the agenda

[torn wind]

Then there's couplesslop

Only for the closest of homies if you don't have a SO

Some of the worst crashouts happen over couplesslop

[torn wind]

My agenda is loneliness

[tribal wharf]

Hades is gameslop people only play it because it’s a video game

[broken creek]

qualityslop

its carried by being good

[torn wind]

Enjoymentslop

It's a bottomless pit of high quality slop

Well time to absolutely choke this p-array fine line run because I have 107 health going into rivals scylla

Nevermind absolutely curb stomped them

oh yeah also have ocean swell still waiting in ripple effect

Got unlucky and got a chronos trap so that wasted a ton of time

[rough lintel]

ah yes, my favourite genre, hadeslop

(games that has zeus in it)

might as well call it zeuslop

[torn wind]

That's just what we call Greek mythology as a whole

It's all Zeuslop

Literally and figuratively

[rough lintel]

yes

[limpid oar]

I feel like BG3 honour mode (or other "one life" modes in long games) have the best crashouts

Make a mistake late and you've invalidated the last ~40 hours of gameplay 🔥

[torn wind]

Diablo hardcore did that to me but definitely not that level of commitment

40 hours is way longer than I ever spent on a single character

[limpid oar]

I think my successful honour mode playthrough was 40 hours-ish

Wish Steam cloud didn't lose the save data and my golden dice 🙁

[sudden eagle]

I didn't play too much with aspect of Supay and after a couple of runs I absolutely destroyed everything on my way. Did I just get lucky or is Supay that much OP?

[torn wind]

Late game supay SHREDS with the right builds

But early game it really suffers

It's a snowball weapon

[thick bronze]

will this game get dlc?

[torn wind]

Very unlikely. Might get a small patch when it's released on Xbox and Playstation when the Nintendo exclusivity deal runs out but Supergiant basically exclusively releases finished products at v1.0

There was one patch a month after release but that's it so far

We may get a bug fix but I doubt any major content. The 1.0 basically WAS the DLC after the game spent 2 years in early access and had a ton of changes

[short raft]

(Special Build)
Artemis Killing Stroke (normal) or Vital Sighs (Epic), which one would be the right choice?

[buoyant matrix]

do you have issues more with bosses or normal encounters

killing stroke for bosses
vital signs for encounters

[short raft]

Yeah, bosses it is then

[hallow vault]

Mewgenics topped Hades 2 and is now the Roguelike with the highest Player Numbers on Steam

[torn wind]

Not surprised, one is new

And from a legendary roguelike creator

[buoyant matrix]

he's a bad bad kitty! a bad bad kitty!

[cunning laurel]

i got 60 hours on mew already 🙏

[pulsar rose]

ok on my take earlier of charon being worst of the non mel axe aspects

i still think thats true, however

it is veryr good

its just i do think than and nergal are much better than it

than and it are def close, but i do think than is better

all of the axe aspects are good, so saying that one of them is the worst doesnt really mean that much lmao

[halcyon gulch]

300+ hours and icarus still needs more time to catch up

[tranquil wren]

charon is the best axespect

(no but genuinely it's one of the strongest aspects in the game)

[pulsar rose]

i get its very strong

however, i still think than and nergal is easily better

[limpid oar]

I think Charon is overrated, its start is atrocious (especially if you've got the onion vow on)

It's also slow

[upbeat parrot]

no hes not

oh wait mb 😭 i just realized this is the charon in hades 2 and not r1999 i got my servers mixed up

[bleak remnant]

do you guys know if friendly npc's room (circe , narcissus , echo) can spawn in chaos trials ?

[buoyant matrix]

they can't

[bleak remnant]

ah damn

[hallow vault]

I mean Supergiant are legendary creators too but ysah

Binding of Isaac is probably with Spelunky THE Roguelike

They both were heavily involved into making this Genre what it is

[bitter stirrup]

They definitely can in ||Great || Chaos ||Above/Below||

[bleak remnant]

ah yeah that's true

[shell lake]

Is it worth using strength when i feel like im not too good, when fighting Chronos i take a lotta damage like 150ish, and Prometheus and typhon a whole lot more. I think i need the revives but i hear everyone say strength is better

[buoyant matrix]

best way to find out is by giving it a try and seeing how it goes

[shell lake]

Wait does the lucky tooth count as death defiance? If not then i might run it

[bitter stirrup]

Toula, Tooth, Pin, Stalwart Stand all count

[buoyant matrix]

anything that appears on the right side of your healthbar counts

[onyx monolith]

phenomenal man

[elfin heron]

revives are not worth it, you basically take double damage without Strength and deal 20% less damage

and yes, the tooth is a revive

[silk needle]

Can i get different weapon in this bs trial great chaos below or can i get only 5 the most useless weapons?

[cunning laurel]

what weapons are those

[crude dragon]

It's random

[hazy pawn]

Guys im doing a aspect of charon run on the surface and everything is perfect except i have ares on magic recovery and its just not working. Is there any way i can get rid of this boon or increase my chances of getting a sacrifice boon for it?

[crude dragon]

Not really

Just gotta keep rolling the Hermes shrines and shops

[hazy pawn]

Can hermes offer a sacrifice thing?

[real scarab]

Nope

[crude dragon]

Hermes shrines can give you a boon bag, which can have sacrifices in it

[real scarab]

Ideally you want lucid or born gain on charon. Pos, zeus and dem may work too but ignore the others

[silk needle]

delete this trial

[buoyant matrix]

demeter and zeus gain my beloveds 🫀

[real scarab]

Zeus gain my behated

[ripe forge]

we are never getting a balance patch are we 😔
artemis aspect in shambles

[golden egret]

It’s good? What’s wrong with it.

I just had a nice clear with it earlier.

Totally didn’t used trick knives.

[golden egret]

Trick knives didn’t carried at all trust.

[ripe forge]

i'm just kinda sad because artemis was my favorite aspect but they kept removing hammers and after they introduced the hidden aspect there's like 0 reason to play it lol

[wispy storm]

artemis? just look at pan

[jolly hound]

It feels like all the non Morrigan knives are either get trick knives and win or don’t and lose tbh

[wispy storm]

Knives are vaguely underpowered yeah but my main issue is the gamefeel on pan feels so stifled

You have to pay in crazy foresight to get a fraction of what chiron offered for practically free

[hallow vault]

Forgot it existed

[golden egret]

Am I the only that just don’t use Pan at all. It feels pretty useless.

[wispy storm]

that's my problem with it, it's conceptually fun but that start and end lag is monstorous

[golden egret]

I wish the channeling wasn’t awful long to get the bonus daggers.

It’s only useful with Sureshot tbh

It kinda feels like the hades spear in Hades 1, can be pretty fun and powerful but only with certain hammers.

[wispy storm]

not only that but you're locked into the throwing animation as penance for daring to throw extra knives, you have to time your dash out so you're not left a sitting duck, and here's hoping you didn't need to reposition too long before charging since your plan only works if you beat the cast expiry timer because if that's the case you need to wait a sec and plonk it down all over again

[golden egret]

I had a good run for practically every non-hidden aspect (what the hell 14 marble) except for Pan.

I kinda dislike hammer dependent aspect in general. Good thing I only found one in Hades 2.

But Hades spear was fine because spin was funny. Pan is boring.

[wispy storm]

Yeah and it didn't used to be I believe

[golden egret]

But I didn’t like Chiron either in Hades 1 so it could be why too.

[wispy storm]

Loved Chrion H1 it's a very solid aspect

[golden egret]

Should give it a try though. But after playing H2, H1 feels so clunky and I hate it.

[wispy storm]

I actually think the bows in h1 are some of the strongest showings in terms of aspect, I don't really think there's a single unfun playstyle

even zag is crit change iirc (15% on attack, that's actually pretty nice)

[golden egret]

If you took Artemis attack that would be 30% which looks insane.

[wispy storm]

and even if you took aphrodite/anyone instead now you've combined their effects p much

[golden egret]

I also loved Rama. Really solid aspect with practically any hammer except explosive shot because it’s sooo slow.

[wispy storm]

yepppp rama was my favorite, so fun to have such a high damage number with the big yet cancellable charge and a self-spreading hitch as basekit which you can tag effects on or something, so good

[golden egret]

Was I stupid for practically always using Artemis’ attack on the bow?

No matter which aspect.

[wispy storm]

Nah from what I can tell Artemis kind of reigns supreme in h1

[golden egret]

Yeah. Wounds + Grievous blow is basically this but in Hades 2.

Really good with torches. Especially Moros since it’s a heavy hitter with the blasts.

[wispy storm]

Grievous blow is a fun mechanic even though like many I wish h2 Ares was a liiiittle more wider appealing boonwise

[golden egret]

I wish they buffed or replaced the plasma stuff. Otherwise Ares is a solid god.

[plain relic]

How long has hades 2 been out? Because 25% steam users having completed the task seems low.

Am I really a god for doing it in 4 days

[wispy storm]

you mean the achievements?

[plain relic]

Yes I am a god

[golden egret]

4 days of playtime…right?

Please say yes.

[crude dragon]

It is, yes

[plain relic]

4 days of having the game

[golden egret]

Damn.

[plain relic]

About 40 hrs(if you include time I just sat there snd vibed to song of the pearls)

[crude dragon]

I wish they buffed the swords and Wounds side of his kit

[wispy storm]

I think I have the most fun with the plasma stuff but as long as the functionality of having 200+% hit speed is kept I'm game for having it be more ergonomic, I actually think wounds and swords need a little more to them yeah

[plain relic]

I like hestia demeter builds a lot. Very fun

[golden egret]

Is fear easier than heat? I’ve gotten the third statue in Hades 2 in like 3 tries. 1 on the surface and 2 for the Underworld. Only gotten the second in H1.

[wispy storm]

Fear is more accessible than Heat I wouldn't say it's easier

[plain relic]

Heat had way more challenges imo

[golden egret]

Swords are amazing with either Heph or Apollo duos. With both it’s not even fair with the torches.

[wispy storm]

H2 actually wants you to get the statues in a reasonable timescale so you learn the ropes quicker it seems to me lol

[golden egret]

Even when I didn’t have any duo it still always ended on the board.

It’s just that good.

[wispy storm]

maybe it's just a vibes thing then, i always felt that swords are kind of underwhelming as a cast/dash effect without any duos on board which can take a while to show

[golden egret]

It’s bad on the dash. The cast is just meh without duos I’ll agree.

[wispy storm]

i love the one that adds it to omegas, that one is free

[golden egret]

Yeah Cut Above just fits anything that uses omegas. You get Fine Line-ish damage for 10 less magick.

[plain relic]

Of my last 20 runs ive cleared 17 times. Neat

[plain relic]

When do I get crowned king

[golden egret]

I like how one week ago I hated the torches but now it’s by far my favourite weapon.

[plain relic]

A fellow torch brother. Come

Torch+poseidon attack boon is a free win

[wispy storm]

i want to play torches more i wish the glow applied to it more often for me, it's just been getting stuck on staff knives and coat

[golden egret]

Ygnium shall guide us to inevitable victory.

[plain relic]

I like coat, but im not a big knives fan

[golden egret]

Start with Moros. Probably one of the best aspects.

[plain relic]

Tried aspect of pan and Artemis. I feel like theyre too rigid

[wispy storm]

Nah I mean I've had plenty experience with them it's just like I'd rather not give up gemstones and the game has not decided that means a torch run in quite some time

[golden egret]

Moros is good to begin because percentage boons are actually good since they affect the blasts from the omega attack.

[wispy storm]

absolutely the knife aspects struggle a bit

[crude dragon]

General consensus is that the non-hidden Knives are among the worst weapons in the game

[plain relic]

Pan can be really good IF you get like 5 specific books and hammers

[golden egret]

Only morrigan is great.

[plain relic]

Boons*

[broken glen]

I’d say fear is balanced a lot better: things like denial are a lot more fun and creative than approval process

[plain relic]

I can see that for sure

[wispy storm]

i do kind of miss the sell one boon thing but its obv why its missing lol

[plain relic]

I find it way easier to have stupid amounts of gold now

[broken glen]

I think it’s good that there’s things differentiating the games

[golden egret]

Was I mad for using double frenzy on my 24 fear surface run (for the last statue) ?

[wispy storm]

sounds cool

[broken glen]

No, double frenzy is pretty typical (like pretty much every 32 fear setup does it)

Once you learn the boss patterns on frenzy 2 it’s free fear

[wispy storm]

so ive been told

[golden egret]

Could realistically max out the time vow but I don’t like having a time limit even if most of my clears are around 15 minutes.

[craggy totem]

You get lots of places to stop and think!

[wispy storm]

time 2 on underworld is pretty much almost free

on surface ehhh things can be a bit meaner, maybe time 1 if you dont want to think about it at all

[plain relic]

Underworld is actually kinda trivial now after having done olympus so much

[broken glen]

Time 3 is free if you don’t greed too much in Tartarus/ephyra

[golden egret]

Olympus feels soo long compared to the Fields.

[craggy totem]

It is that long compared to the Fields

[wispy storm]

i kind of like that olympus feels substantial

[plain relic]

The mob variety in olympus is really scary

[broken glen]

Underworld has harder bosses while surface has harder regions

[golden egret]

I think Fields could use an extra chamber.

[craggy totem]

You can choose an extra chamber :P

[wispy storm]

not sure about this as a blanket statement but also broadly this is nearing to be the case

[plain relic]

I thought typhon and prometheus were so hard at first.... then I started actually looking at their moves lol

[broken glen]

Scylla & chronos are the big roadblocks for rivals

[golden egret]

VoR Cerberus is just that bad. Only the music saves it.

[broken glen]

Whereas Eris and polyphemus are basically the same

[plain relic]

Polyphemus is a joke

[wispy storm]

rivals polyphemus can kinda kick your ass in seconds if you don't lock in

[broken glen]

Just don’t get poisoned

[plain relic]

Duality of man

[broken glen]

Don’t step in it

[golden egret]

Eris feels kinda easier for some reason?

[craggy totem]

Or get hit by the poisoned ranged attacks

[wispy storm]

it's not the poison that gets me he just has big damage numbers, if you're not careful a couple hits can eat a defiance easy

[plain relic]

Eris is just so telegraphed. If they sped up her time between actions she'd be mucb tougher

[broken glen]

A lot of people do say it’s easier (and do note that rivals eris got a huge damage buff on 1.0 release, it was SO pathetic in ea)

[craggy totem]

Simply put on Frenzy :)

[golden egret]

The damage gets pretty harsh without VoR.

[buoyant matrix]

the vow of frenzy2:

[plain relic]

Thats the one I havent tried yet because I know thats where my skill stops😩

[craggy totem]

Honestly maybe BNB hitting Frenzy was a good thing for that run o' mine after all

[golden egret]

How do you guys play without Fate’s whim it’s soo good.

[plain relic]

Fates whim?

[craggy totem]

Post-ending keepsake related thing

[golden egret]

Like dude a free triple Pom on every boon is overpowered.

[plain relic]

Oh makes sense

Still working my way towards the epilogue

[golden egret]

Not to mention the Card and the Chrolex.

[wispy storm]

if you've rolled credits you can get all the keepsakes relatively quickly

[plain relic]

Im missing like 5 on the bottom row

[golden egret]

Can we agree that Sea Star would be so bad without the “Haha, yes!”.

[wispy storm]

keep an eye out for people to give nectar to

[wispy storm]

it's really fun regardless but yeah this is a good thing lmao

[golden egret]

Poseidon never disappoints.

[wispy storm]

it's pretty good but sometimes it's nice to get a specific build going

[golden egret]

I just can’t change my Arcana setup. It’s so good not having to spend a crap ton of grasp on rerolls.

[plain relic]

Oh I know whose keepsakes im missing. All post game ones/echo. Not sure how to get echos

[golden egret]

You need to give her nectar after talking to her.

[plain relic]

Specifically after?

[golden egret]

That’s probably an oversight.

[craggy totem]

No, it's not

It's cos she needs to have something to echo at ya

[golden egret]

Really?

[buoyant matrix]

it's because of how she speaks

[golden egret]

Oh makes sense.

[plain relic]

Thats clever

[craggy totem]

Everybody just runnin out on poor ole Echo as soon as they get what they want outta her 😔

[plain relic]

Supergiant can I just be a fly on the wall in your headquarters

[golden egret]

What is selene’s coat even about? The omega attack?

[crude dragon]

The Hex

[golden egret]

I mean the hex gives more omega damage.

[craggy totem]

Omega special is easier to pull off

[golden egret]

Is it that good for damage?

[royal orbit]

How do you activate Jeweled Pom? No Change of Fate and no summoning boons, that's it?

[buoyant matrix]

no

[golden egret]

Yeah.

[buoyant matrix]

no rerolls and no god summoning keepsakes

[craggy totem]

The hex has upgrade nodes that give more omega damage, but you're not primarily using it for the Shine curse, you're using it as an extra damage source that follows you around and doesn't interrupt your actions

[buoyant matrix]

"god summoning" includes athena

[crude dragon]

You can't take Champions or Enchantress, and no Olympian keepsakes or Amulet

[craggy totem]

Athena is an Olympian!

She just isn't a core boon giver

[golden egret]

But Selene isn’t. So you can use her keepsake.

[crude dragon]

You know what I mean, though

[royal orbit]

So you also can't use Athena's defiance keepsake but you can use Selene crest thing?

[craggy totem]

I just think that the wording in the game is the most specific and accurate wording

[golden egret]

Yeah.

[royal orbit]

Cool, preciate it

[craggy totem]

If you ever forget, there is an in-game tooltip that defines it

[golden egret]

Also who the hell uses Death Defiances with Strength just existing.

[craggy totem]

It's right on the keepsake description

[craggy totem]

Max Pain max Scars

[golden egret]

Who even runs pain or scar as long as you’re not doing max fear?

[buoyant matrix]

62 fear

[craggy totem]

You turn those on before you get to max Fear, cos max Fear includes max Void, and that's worse

[buoyant matrix]

also 32 and 50 fear speedruns

but you run strength for those anyway 😂

[jolly hound]

You start with defiances then you finish runs with all of them intact, you switch to strength, you get good and then decide you wanna push fear, you turn on 62 fear cause you’re based, and you need insurance on your white antler chronos rivals fight

[wispy storm]

death defiances are absolutely necessary soon as you start to crank the fear up because h2 is just kind of a game where you need to be able to make 3 mistakes

[buoyant matrix]

mfw did like half of my 62s with strength and also took antler

[jolly hound]

well done

[merry whale]

actually way back strength used to be a valid option for max pain/scars high fear

[craggy totem]

What changed?

[merry whale]

then they removed the strength healing cheeses after reducing strength dmg resistance

[old veldt]

It was nerfed no

[buoyant matrix]

there were a ton of bypasses to scars

[wispy storm]

strength offers a doubly effective healthbar of up to around 300, but not a single point of it can eat up the 1124 chronos is going to force me to take when i accidentally stand in the crosssection of 5 freeze zones

[merry whale]

so now it's kinda just objectively better to have dd

[craggy totem]

LMAO I can't believe I Forgot about the Strength nerfs while @crude dragon was recently in chat

[golden egret]

That’s really bad luck. Only happened once to me.

[jolly hound]

Damn, makes me sad I missed that

[golden egret]

You can still just use armor to tank it.

[merry whale]

then strength loops back to being viable for 65 cuz u can play around no dd for a bit before getting 3dds later

[wispy storm]

that's the thing though, instakill aside, frenzy rivals chronos hits like a freight train, and again, on strength, not a single one of those buffed up health points allows you to make one two or three mistakes, if you mess up you're eating it eating it, no fluff

[merry whale]

and ye especially with antler strats, 3dds helps for buffer where strength won't

strength kinda just interacts weirdly with the game cuz it locks u out of key synergies with a lot of stuff

[craggy totem]

It feels like it was treated like an afterthought or a marginal option

[golden egret]

Well obviously if you use Antler you don’t use Strength. That’s like one of the few situations where dds are useful.

[craggy totem]

Just looking at stuff like Chaos' entire legendary blessing excluding Strength playstyles

Yeah, what a legend 😔

[wispy storm]

-# 'few' come on dude xD

[merry whale]

indeed

it's unfortunate cuz i like strength and it's what i did my first 62 clears on

[buoyant matrix]

considering it's prerework ability, i think the devs expected it to be used with death

[merry whale]

but death is just so much better cuz the game is built around it more than strength LOL

[buoyant matrix]

and were probably caught off guard when players ran it by itself

[wispy storm]

yeah don't get me wrong i really do like strength conceptually i just wish it worked with high fear because it's a fun and tense option

[craggy totem]

What was its pre-rework ability?

[golden egret]

I mean as long as you’re not using White Antler it’s kinda fine, no?

[merry whale]

they almost had me when 1.0 dropped and reroll corner got cooked, i thought death with strength would be the meta cuz it feeds into queen arcana and gives u another buffer after losing dds

[buoyant matrix]

massive damage reduction (like 70% i think?) while you're below 30% (or 40%?) max hp

[merry whale]

then it kinda became clear that the remaining 4 arcana points could be used more effectively elsewhere like messenger, huntress, etc

and fate's whim is op

[craggy totem]

TBH this also kinda explains why the thing that levels up on Strength is the DR stat and not the damage boost (despite the fact that SGG nerfed DR in a lot of places)

[merry whale]

i think the issue with playing both is that if ur playing death u have so many death recovery options that it kinda becomes pointless to even have strength

[wispy storm]

if you don't make mistakes anything is kinda fine, but at a certian point the game stops asking you "do you want 160 effective hp or 200 with increased damage and double healing" and starts asking you "do you want to be able to take 3 hits or take no hits "

[merry whale]

athena keepsake, chrolex for kiss of styx, narc, echo, etc etc

[golden egret]

If only strength was a thing in H1…

[merry whale]

strength? u have ghost onion, and uhh athena call ig

life tax if ur feeling funny

[golden egret]

I think they could have swapped Stubborn Defiance for a strength-like talent though.

[wispy storm]

stubborn defiance was quite good

maybe not mad interesting but quite effective

[jolly hound]

I miss stubby d

Felt like you’re reliant on patty showing up to win but still

[wispy storm]

that was just most people's experience of h1 in general lol

[strong oasis]

Athena messes up fates whim tho right?

[golden egret]

I used it until I realised I used dds only on Hades.

[wispy storm]

yeah it works with strength but not with fates whim

[golden egret]

Unless you get her to spawn normally on Mount Olympus.

[crude dragon]

Embryo and roll into Revival
EZ

[strong oasis]

yeah true was meaning w keepsake

[wispy storm]

today i learnt revival is affected by vow of scars

[crude dragon]

It isn't

Chaos cares not for your self-flagellation

[merry whale]

ye revival should work thru scars

[craggy totem]

This framing amuses me

"Kid, I don't give a damn, where's Zagreus, take this blessing and be off with you"

[stark lance]

Chaos be like
Trade offer
You receive: 1 damage for every second you pee
After that, you receive: 1% movement speed

Is there an actual range for Chaos boons that makes the downsides proportional to the upsides?

[craggy totem]

WDYM by range?

[stark lance]

I had it two times where the Chaos boon was like
For the next 6 encounters you take 63% increased damage
After that, your attack does 20~% more damage on your casts

Which feels like that's a bit wacky

This game has some very decent quality mods btw

[craggy totem]

20% more cast damage can be pretty powerful, especially since you can avoid the increased damage just by not gettin hit

IIRC how good the blessing is equates to rarity and how bad the curse is equates to level

(they don't actually have levels)

[stark lance]

I cannot recall ever finding an use for casts outside of utility lol

[craggy totem]

? Have you never put a damage dealing cast boon on?

There's two entire aspects in the game that are centered around using casts to deal damage, too

[stark lance]

If I don't have one sure I'll take it, and I'll use my casts to proc the Arcana card

[jolly hound]

storm ring says what up

[craggy totem]

You can pretty easily juice up your cast strong enough to show up on the damage board, yeah, or top damage

Even without the aspects that are specifically about cast damage

[stark lance]

But I never actually felt like they do a lot of damage as opposed to getting something like the Aphrodite cast and bunching up an entire room to OBLOOTERATE with one Black Coat punch

[craggy totem]

It's high utility but also can do great damage

[jolly hound]

dem cast is great utility

itll never make the leaderboard but i dont need it to

[stark lance]

I actually crashed my game once with the Aphrodite cast I think

[craggy totem]

Throw Air Quality + Hail Storm onto Demeter cast and you get utility and damage

[stark lance]

I had the Chaos curse where you see way more enemies + Level 3 Hordes

I think it was something about the Black Coat Omega Attack + Zeus lightning bouncing between enemies so hard the game exploded

[craggy totem]

I don't think there's a Chaos curse that makes you see more enemies

[stark lance]

To be fair I got quite a few mods now

[craggy totem]

Ah. Then probably the mod made your game explode lol

[stark lance]

I am pretty sure it was just way too many things happening at once because the crash log stated a memory violation

I think I saw a mod that lets you apply more Fear too. Level 10 hordes anyone?

[crude dragon]

Smolder Ring, too

[craggy totem]

Smoulder Ring actually goes so hard bro

[stark lance]

Damn

Extreme Measure Chronos has hands

I am still not sure if you are meant to be able to dodge half of the attacks

Or am I just used to Hades 1

[craggy totem]

You can dodge them, but there are some parts where dodging is basically the only thing you are allowed to do

[stark lance]

Feels like if I don't have the Hermes dodge boon it's not actually possible to not take damage

Probably cuz I run Haste 2

[craggy totem]

It's possible, just very difficult

[stark lance]

Hundreds of hours in Hades 1 has conditioned me to get brain damage trying to dodge any other bosses

I can't believe I put off playing Hades 2 for so long as well

[buoyant matrix]

for encounters, the key is to use your cast

for bosses, you just have to skill solution through it

[stark lance]

I can play the game on 32 Fear it ain't about the encounters for the most part

[buoyant matrix]

do you have rivals on?

[stark lance]

Topside is not a problem, unironically I find it easy

[stark lance]

Yeah, at max level

[buoyant matrix]

yeah rivals is much harder than extreme measures, you need a lot of practice to consistently beat them

underworld bosses already being harder, rivals makes them the main challenge of the run

[stark lance]

It ain't even a problem if I get decent boons, I just get plenty of runs where I get absolutely nothing lmfao

Like I've had so many runs where it feels like the game us just trying to send me back to the Crossroads because I get no hammers early, no attack or special boons, the only good perks show up in common, etc. I could skill check the game up to Rivals 3 but Rivals 4 is a bit too much

[cunning laurel]

you have postgame keepsakes?

[stark lance]

Yeah I got pretty much everything important upgraded. I know the whole Pom cheese where you pray for Gigaros at the start of the run but that doesn't feel that fun either

[frail crypt]

I cant find chronos' speech in the dissolution of time fight :(

[cunning laurel]

resetting for gigaros dash isnt "needed" until 62+

are you running jpom anyway?

[stark lance]

Rarely. I don't need it, I just run 32 Fear whenever I feel like it. I just feel like I get completely stat checked in the Chronos fight with Rivals on some runs because of garbage RNG

[cunning laurel]

itll help with that feeling, it makes mostly everything viable and strong

[stark lance]

Nahhhhhhhhhh I will simply bash my head against him until he explodes every run, more fun

[winter egret]

God damn Fates whim runs really improved the rogue like aspect and replayability of the game for me

they are so good.

[glacial light]

Real

[cunning laurel]

woulda stopped long ago if not for jpom

[cursive nacelle]

yeah jpom is so good. Adds so much to the game

[solid epoch]

imo we should have a vc here
lemme stream hades 2 🙏

[royal orbit]

Is Aspect of Moros better than Aspect of Melinoe because it relies less on chance and has a higher ceiling or something? I see it placed higher in so many rankings

[cunning laurel]

ive never seen anyone rank it higher and it defintely requires more luck than mel staff

oh moros not momus

still stands tho moros needs a gain

[royal orbit]

I've only watched a few tier lists but Melinoe doesn't get ranked higher than Moros, usually lower, if not the same tier

[timid vigil]

i mean... mel too

[cunning laurel]

omg i still thought it was about staff lol

[royal orbit]

I personally find it to be really good but I also don't run high fear normally

[timid vigil]

its just more damage overall

[royal orbit]

So like, more consistent damage

[timid vigil]

mel aspect plays in a similar way because you wanna use ospecial to spread curse

[crude dragon]

It's better because it hits way harder

[timid vigil]

you can play mel torches with just attack i guess

its not a bad aspect at all btw, but since most of the time youre going to be doing ospecial you might just play moros too at that point

[royal orbit]

I normally run Hera on omega special with Mel aspect and damage % boon on attack. The crit damage feels pretty strong. I'm around 25-30 fear atm

But I do see why Moros can be better, I just wanted to hear your opinions

[timid vigil]

yeah mel torches still really good

you can do funny stuff if you find artemis + raki + antler and do crazy crits

[final saddle]

I think Rivals Poly has finally clicked

And on Frenzy 2 no less

[royal orbit]

Does strike mean any regular special and attack hits or just attack?

[broken creek]

attack and special

[final saddle]

Oooo I think I just unlocked the |||Aspect of Anubis|| this run

[stuck minnow]

I feel like I will always be a Mel Axe glazer

because i just got my first chronos kill with it

And it was absolutely hilarious

Hehe funny axe go CLANG!

tho tbf to the other weapons

I just did 2000 damage to Hecate with a staff special

So

Got my first nightmare too

[final saddle]

Is Reckless Abandon good?

I'm running the daggers and got the speed buff hammer so I'm thinkin yes

[stuck minnow]

Perhaps

If you get lucky

[final saddle]

Most of my damage is already coming from my combo of Blitz special into Poseidon fireball cast into hestia burn + steam attack

[stuck minnow]

Reckless Abandon is best with higher attack speeds

So I think Daggers with attack speed hammer is the best you're gonna get with that

Roll the dice as much as possible

[final saddle]

Let's go gambling!

[timid vigil]

nice!

[stuck minnow]

Success Rate from Hermes also improves the chance of 555 damage rolls

[timid vigil]

nope

[stuck minnow]

Also it should be noted that Success Rate in itself is multiplicative, not additive

[final saddle]

Hmmm

Do I fight Zag for the heck of it...

[stuck minnow]

Do it

Find out how lucky you are

[final saddle]

How good are dagger hammers?

Might just get a Zeus boon instead beforehand

[broken creek]

trick knives is probably the best hammer in the game

[stuck minnow]

Hmm

Should I spec into my Special

Special Axe...

[broken creek]

the rare ospec than build

[final saddle]

Screw it Frenzy 2 Zag

Holy crap he died

Literally less than a minute long fight

Easiest Prometheus fight of my life too

[stuck minnow]

Honestly I don't think it matters much what aspect you use if you're speccing into Special

Charon is the "Best" but sometimes you don't want your cast to explode

Because some people want to take advantage of the Furies

Also some cast boons work best when allowed to run their course naturally

[final saddle]

I find it hilarious the blitz still came out on top in damage this run and I wasn't even optimal in how I was keeping it up on bosses

Alright time to see if I get to defeather the stupid chicken on rivals 3

I'm tryin to plan this out here, what could I do to add stuff? https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwwLDAsOF0=

[craggy totem]

De....feather.... the chicke... OH

What number are you trying to hit?

[final saddle]

Currently I'm crushing it on time usually, the hardest thing is the double minibosses in act 1 before I get the ball rolling on my build

[craggy totem]

If you're crushing it on time, bump it to max :P

[final saddle]

I think Surface is 24 and Underworld is 32 on the next statue

[craggy totem]

Ahh, the statue

[final saddle]

Yeah Prometheus's annoying turkey

[craggy totem]

Yeah, bump Time to 3 and then slap on Denial for some funsies (just remember to check your codex and REMEMBER that Duos and Legendaries are NOT guaranteed)

[final saddle]

I don't see how else they could make him harder except giving me a second boss to fight

[craggy totem]

(Or if you want to kill two angry chickens with one stone, instead of Denial you could put on Fangs 1, get a start on that prophecy :P)

[final saddle]

What does fangs do?

[craggy totem]

Armored enemies get special powers

[final saddle]

Oh like H1?

Is it all armored baddies?

[craggy totem]

Yeah, all armored enemies. I don't remember what the H1 version was named

[final saddle]

Maybe

How much less time does max time give me btw?

[mild nebula]

For yall who play on pc. Do you prefer a controller or keyboard n mouse

[tranquil wren]

benefits package

[craggy totem]

Never got to play vidya games growin up so it's kbm babye

[final saddle]

Controller all the way, less finger movement for each button you need to press

Although I’m playing on Switch if I was on PC I’ve played enough games that have been on both options that I know that my opinion would not change

[broken creek]

its not all

its only a select few in some rooms

if it was all thatd be actually insane and id hate it so much

[craggy totem]

WDYM a select few when I take it it feels like everybody and their goddamn uncle is rockin up with darkness clouds and Chronos orbs and sweepy lasers

(I already hate it)

[still mantle]

Whats better, epic super nova or epic solar ring?

Maybe super nova...

[jolly hound]

What other gods are in your pool, solar ring is serviceable but dem Zeus and Hestia are all way better

[still mantle]

This is start of ephyra charon

I took super nova

Because +60% size is no joke

Epic geyser spout

We eating good tonight fellas

[jolly hound]

Oh I didn’t know Charon part yeah nova for sure

[still mantle]

I just died to rivals eris because my cast+geyser spout is so big i literally can't see anything else

[jolly hound]

run it again

[crude dragon]

Benefits Package, IIRC

[untold plaza]

just had a dream that the original wielders of the hidden aspects were all pugs and if you died with a hidden aspect the corresponding pug would appear and tell you that you suck with the weapon

[broken glen]

I mean Anubis wasn’t all that far off

[untold plaza]

true

[final saddle]

Is the strat not attacking Roxy anymore on Rivals Scylla?

I got absolutely chewed up from that fight from old strats and I don't even know what was killing me, I only survived because of Ares's heal ability

[still mantle]

Nah im playing medea this run

[crude dragon]

If you lack the burst to kill Roxy before the jets and tentacles become a problem, yeah, you want to start from one of the bottom tentacles and work your way up the arena

[final saddle]

What the heck Cerberus turned into a legit fight

This is my worst run yet lol, horrid luck on everything

Bull crap

Rivals is so stupid

He moves his insta kill entirely randomly half a second before it pops? Sure that's fair

[stuck minnow]

Hmm

Damn it, I would like to share my current arcana

For advice...

[final saddle]

And my build was so crap as well

[stuck minnow]

But I can't share images

Damn you, lack of image perms

[final saddle]

Forced on Apollo, Aphro, and Demeter without a curse between the three

[old veldt]

send it somewhere else and then here as a link

[final saddle]

Or use the website

[cunning laurel]

go to h2crossroads yea

[final saddle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzQiLCJjNSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==

This is my build

[cunning laurel]

woah eternity over huntress

[still mantle]

Epic healthy rebound on jpom😭

[stuck minnow]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMzIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE5IiwiYzIyIiwiYzIzIl0=

[still mantle]

The threshold is 43%

[stuck minnow]

I only have 29 grasp

[final saddle]

I'm just pissed off at Rivals Cerberus combined with the worst run luck I've ever had

[stuck minnow]

I'm close to getting 30

But for now, 29 is my cap

[cunning laurel]

excellence is a pretty bad card, youd do better to use boatman

[stuck minnow]

Damn

[final saddle]

I go Night Huntress over Eternity Sorcress if I'm not gonna be using many omegas

[cunning laurel]

would even give more dice

[stuck minnow]

Most of the value I get from Excellence is just not getting commons

I hate getting commons all the time

[cunning laurel]

you gotta learn that commons are not bad, rarity is largely unimportant

[stuck minnow]

But big number

Big number makes brain tickle

[cunning laurel]

boatman is more dice to guarantee bigger number

[old veldt]

i mean if youre not using jpom its more important

[stuck minnow]

Isn't the jeweled pom a post-game item?

[old veldt]

but i do agree excellence isnt really worth 5 grasp

[old veldt]

yeah

[stuck minnow]

Why even bring it up then

Like, i'm not in the post game

I only just beat chronos for the first time

[still mantle]

Excellence isn't worth it but rarity absolutely matters

[old veldt]

i was saying without it, rarity is more important
and you dont have it...

[cunning laurel]

its just heph that cares about it

[final saddle]

I wanna back andrw's thing here, for a lot of gods rarity is largly unimportant

Heph is the only one that needs high rarity

[stuck minnow]

I do like Hephaetsus

[final saddle]

With or without JPom

[old veldt]

sure, 'needs'
but its hardly unimportant

[stuck minnow]

But I get more value out of Aphrodite anyway

[cunning laurel]

common boon you want is wayy better than an epic boon you dont

[stuck minnow]

Since my main weapon is Zorephet...

[final saddle]

Excellence is also not a good card

[still mantle]

Heph is the only one that needs it

[final saddle]

You can still get forced onto commons if the rare boons are stuff you don't need

[still mantle]

But some boons have as large as a 50% damage increase from common to rare

[stuck minnow]

Aphrodite was my go-to-god in Hades, and she is again in Hades II
Just because of how huge she makes my numbers

I think in Hades I she actually gave the highest raw damage buff of all the Olympians

[cunning laurel]

and boatman gives 4 dice which will likely do more

[old veldt]

yep

[cunning laurel]

and you can pom boons

[still mantle]

As I said before, excellence isn't worth it

But rarity does matter

Thats the argument im making

[stuck minnow]

Does she do the same in Hades II?
Highest damage, granted you're near the enemy (which I usually am)

[final saddle]

Yeah, rarity matters but not enough to make excellence worthwhile

[stuck minnow]

Plus, Glamour Gain is just free Weak with Zorephet, since the radius for Glamour Gain to activate is bigger than Zorephet's regular attack range

And I don't use Magick a ton anyway, so the lesser gain (especially compared to Hera) doesn't matter as much

Gimme a Speed hammer, Glamour Gain, and Flutter Strike

Chronos will be dead within the hour

[cunning laurel]

how about nova strike

[stuck minnow]

No

Nova Flourish, yeah

[still mantle]

new time pb yay

[stuck minnow]

Screen-filling specials are hilarous

But I want the higher damage on my Attack than Apollo gives

Special Builds are fun tho

Me when
When four Ω Specials

And chronos just evaporates

[plain relic]

Hephestia is a neat build thats easy to say

Its like a scarier version of hep

[still mantle]

Healthy rebound is officially op

[cunning laurel]

how much has it healed

[stuck minnow]

What is the best Artemis boon she can give you?

Granted she shows up

[cunning laurel]

lethal snare, killing stroke, pressure points are the most widely usable ones

[still mantle]

A lot, considering I got the threshold down to 43%😭

[stuck minnow]

Pressure Points and Support Fire seem the most applicable in general since they apply to basically everything, though likely not the best on their own

Scorch is the only thing in this game that can't crit

[still mantle]

Support fire sucks in this game

[cunning laurel]

support fire is usually very bad

[stuck minnow]

Which is hilarious considering Hangover can crit

[still mantle]

What build do i play now?

[still mantle]

Yeah but scorch and hangover work differently

[cunning laurel]

do a supay daso

[still mantle]

Daso?

[stuck minnow]

Looking into the code directly to see how scorch works could provide insight

[cunning laurel]

dash and sprint only

[still mantle]

It applies scorch which ticks down

[stuck minnow]

Well yeah

[still mantle]

At 100 per second unless modified

[stuck minnow]

I know that much

[still mantle]

So it cant really crit

Because of how it works

[stuck minnow]

Even if it could, i doubt it'd do much

Since it'd crit for each individual tick, which would be 3

[still mantle]

Crit on the scorch application maybe?

[stuck minnow]

Hangover does a lot more damage by comparison

[still mantle]

That'd be a fun way to do it

[still mantle]

What sprint should I use

[craggy totem]

Individual ticks of scorch are some weird number like like 16.67 every 1/6 of a second, not 1 damage every centisecond

[stuck minnow]

Chronos when I hit him with the +1000 Scorch in one hit

[stuck minnow]

Ah, so more like 50 then
Rounding up anyway

[cunning laurel]

best is poseidon

[craggy totem]

Scorch damage also does benefit from +x% global damage buffs, so that would also be helped out by crit

[still mantle]

Actually

Im frigid rushing

[craggy totem]

In conclusion, Hades 2 is a land of contrasts and great-auntie Hestia got done dirty dammit, GET IN THE COMMENTS

[cunning laurel]

whoa ok

[still mantle]

And noone can stop me

[cunning laurel]

maybe go blinding rush

[stuck minnow]

Oh my

[still mantle]

Bruh

[stuck minnow]

I didn't realize whispered prayer was a thing

[still mantle]

It literally does no damage

[stuck minnow]

I should get on top of sharing nectar around

[craggy totem]

Prolly cos it was whispered so you didn't hear

[cunning laurel]

blinding rush supay is actually not horrible

[stuck minnow]

Me when
When Total Eclipse does 5000 damage

[cunning laurel]

for this its not ideal tho

[still mantle]

[stuck minnow]

Random Crits Are Fair And Balanced

[craggy totem]

It's fine when RED team is bots

[stuck minnow]

Why RED specifically?

[craggy totem]

Color of the AOE damage indicator

[stuck minnow]

Uh-huh

imagine if Chaos forced you to prime all of your magick as a boon effect

Prime all of your Magick for the next 6 rooms and you do double damage fr

And then you have to fight Scylla without Ωs

[craggy totem]

Most of the aspects wouldn't be especially bothered by this

[rough lintel]

Nexus

Hera dash is so peak it cant even be compared

[cunning laurel]

eh hera special is just better for hitch

[glacial light]

Hera dash imo worst hitch

[craggy totem]

Nexus is great but not hitting already-hitched enemies is a bit of a PITA

Depending on the aspect I also kinda agree about special, although if you factor in the opportunity cost of passing up Blitz special....

[stuck minnow]

Hitch is hilarious because you can make it do MORE damage to the hitched enemies than the one you're actually attacking

[cunning laurel]

i was specifically talkin supay there

[rough lintel]

Ah good coz i was like

Am i going insane

[cunning laurel]

but youre right its very often that hera special is bis

[stuck minnow]

My preferred strat is to facetank the boss

IF I HAVE THE HEALTH

[rough lintel]

But but but red bounce back

😫😫😩😩

[stuck minnow]

I generally try to avoid taking the hard hits

Like yeah don't let Eris shotgun you

[plain relic]

Yo dionysus is actually kinda funny tho

[stuck minnow]

But otherwise I'll just max out damage resistances and health and beat the hell out of the boss

Strength, Weak, Knuckle Bones

What other drs are there...?

[craggy totem]

Broken Resolve to buff your Weak, and flat DRs like Tough Gain and Frosty Veneer

Oh, I suppose Brave Face is another % DR

[stuck minnow]

Tough Gain is ass

I mean against chip damage it's fine

But most bosses aren't chipping you down

[craggy totem]

You say that like a person who has never tried the Brave Face / Tough Gain combo

[stuck minnow]

I have used Tough Gain, and it's fun getting all your Magick back just like that

[craggy totem]

(*it's mostly funny)

[rough lintel]

Wreckless behaviour on anubis + air quality is too funny

[stuck minnow]

But literally anything else is better

[craggy totem]

Nah, if you're running something magickless, a gain that gives you magick back but has no other benefits is worse

[stuck minnow]

Glamour Gain is my preferred Gain boon for the free Weak application
Since I have to get in close with Zorephet anyway

Born Gain is for basically everything else

[still mantle]

Welp, zoos grabbed me by the throat and said "this is a static shock build now"

[rough lintel]

Mid ass gain

Origination cant be that hard gang

[still mantle]

STEADY GROWTH RARIFIED STATIC SHOCK TO HEROIC

[rough lintel]

I find it funny how zeus has 2 core boon basically

Ss and blitz

[stuck minnow]

Actually I'm not running it for origination

I'm running it specifically for Weak

-30% damage is big dawg

[cunning laurel]

his cast is good

[still mantle]

Steady growth is rarifying literally everything i want it to

This is insane

[rough lintel]

Not really coz this game healing mechaism is op

[plain relic]

Lol I got my hephaestia build down to a 2 second cooldown on attack, along with double hammer procs, and 8% universal crit

3 weapon swings on boss and I got the audio cue for zeus

900 and 2600 damage if I crit on every hammerx2

[still mantle]

I COMPLETELY FUMBLED RIVSLS PROM

I HAD IT

THEN THEY COMBOED THE FCK OUT OF ME

[solid epoch]

death defiance has carried me so hard im ngl
first time I did that fight I lost 4 death defiance 🥀
and then immediately got clapped in the next area

[still mantle]

Im a strength user

[solid epoch]

is it normal || to unlock the deep bond with Heracles after only fighting rivals Prometheus twice (I only had 1 heart with him)||

[still mantle]

Idk

I don't understand why people bother memorizing the flame patterns

For prometheus

[solid epoch]

wdym?

I just shove it into short term memory and dodge just fine

[bitter stirrup]

It's easy and has no downside

There's also barely any upside to iframing them

[still mantle]

Me with adhd having horrible working memory: (the kind that helps you remember things you're doing right now, In the very short term)

[bitter stirrup]

So then we both have our answers lol, some people find it easy to do, some people don't and that's fine

If anything I'm more impressed you can consistently iframe them since the downside is taking like 90 damage

[still mantle]

I learned the timing early on🤷‍♂️

[solid epoch]

|| I suppose remembering where to go when also dealing with Heracles at the same time can be very difficult ||

|| I occasionally get hit by the memory attack since Heracles is running me down ||

[still mantle]

This is the main reason to have iframing at least as a second option

[solid epoch]

yeah I sometimes get a lucky dodge, but nonetheless || I target Heracles first which seems to work well ||

[jolly hound]

cause it’s not harder than remembering a two factor authentication code for five seconds

[thick bronze]

will this game get a dlc?

[craggy totem]

Supergiant Games has not historically done DLCs.

However, none of us has the power of prophecy.

[thick bronze]

guess ill have to wait 4 more years for hades 3

[craggy totem]

Or whatever they do next, yep

If you haven't played their back catalogue yet ;P

[thick bronze]

back catalogue?

[craggy totem]

Their older games

[thick bronze]

nah i only play hades from them

[craggy totem]

Well, excellent time to dig in if you're feeling a hankering!

[still mantle]

For "normal" people

[still mantle]

and iframing it isnt harder than kicking a ball rolled infront of you

[jolly hound]

I’m not trying to mock ya homie, I just don’t find it all that hard to memorize

Perhaps watch some YouTube runs and practice it that way? And name the lanes 1 2 3 rather than top middle bottom

[naive moth]

i name them left middle right

there are plenty of ways to not take 90 damage

[jolly hound]

Like strength so it’s 60 🤪

[naive moth]

on a scale of 1 to damage, 60 is about a 60
which is still a lot of damage

esp since with strength you don't have any dd to save you if you have a Bad TIme

[still mantle]

nah iframing works

plus it makes heracles slightly less annoying

[plain bronze]

I suspect Prometheus lane mechanics were inspired by the Maven fight from Path of Exile.

[still mantle]

who now?

[plain bronze]

There's an endgame boss in PoE called Maven that makes you play a memory game where three portions of a circular platform flash to indicate an order of incoming damage, and then they explode in the same sequence a bit later. This is pretty much the same thing, but divided into three lanes instead of circular wedges. And there are no spinning debuff lasers you have to dodge at the same time, or multiple minibosses, or regular boss attacks on top of it all. It's honestly pretty brutal and this version is much nicer.

[still mantle]

cool

only obstruction here is on rivals you have to dodge ||heracles||

[plain bronze]

ah, I haven't even gotten that far yet, sounds a bit more intense

[still mantle]

oh whoops spoilers

my bad

[plain bronze]

you're good, no worries

[still mantle]

well since i've already told you, on vow of rivals 3 its a double boss fight with prometheus and heracles (who is a traitor)

[buoyant matrix]

playing rivals prom for the first time and realizing he's still gonna chase you around while you're memorizing was definitely an experience

[plain bronze]

Yeah I've met him being a grumpy cuss in Ephyra

[buoyant matrix]

there were so many theories about how they're gonna make memory game harder, a popular one was that they will make it a 3x3 grid

but this was way better 🔥

[plain bronze]

I played a lot of H1 so this Rivals mechanic sounds like it's basically Emergency Measures 2.0

[buoyant matrix]

yes it's the equivalent of extreme measures

[plain bronze]

ah, extreme, yeah that

I loved the EM4 Hades fight

mostly for the music 🙂

[still mantle]

i just ran around dash iframing

[bitter stirrup]

I would say Rivals 4 here is way harder than EM4, but you can get stronger than you could in H1

[still mantle]

how so?

i guess on non fw surface you can get a build together fast because you can rig tf out of ephyra

[bitter stirrup]

(caveat that I only played EM4 with shield)

[still mantle]

aegis is op

[plain bronze]

I did it on 32-heat with the Rail of Adamant for the final Skelly statue. It took me like 10 tries and then I put the game down. I'm utterly impressed with the players who pushed their heat level even further

[still mantle]

max fear in this game is way more achievable than max heat was solely because approval process doesnt exist anymore

[plain bronze]

I do like the idea of gaining even more strength to fight even harder stuff. I'm a sucker for the build aspect of these sorts of games

[still mantle]

my highest fear so far in this game is 32

[jolly hound]

damn it I blew it to rivals Typhon

had a heroic heph attack and blitz special on Supay it was a death engine damn

[marsh karma]

I just realised that i beaten the game on the pre-patch update because i didn't have auto update on

Do i have to play a new save to get the new ending?

[crude dragon]

There's an incantation that'll let you reset your story progress

[marsh karma]

Which means i have to beat chronos 7 times and Typhon 4 times again to get the ending?

[jolly hound]

Yep

[marsh karma]

welp, it is one of the greatest game ever made for me so i wont say no to playing more of it

[jolly hound]

It resets the story so that you’re 0-1 vs both of em. Kinda obnoxious, I was at one point 1-0 vs both of em

[marsh karma]

Aw, i never lost against typhon so that's a bummer

[buoyant matrix]

chronos 9 and typhon 5

they increased the number of chronos runs

[untold plaza]

how much more difficult is rivals chronos? normal chronos is a cakewalk to me at this point

[buoyant matrix]

hardest boss in the game

[untold plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

oh it wont embed
whatever

[buoyant matrix]

i know what it is based on the link

valid reaction

[astral trellis]

Who should i give ambrosia?

And what do i get from gifting it?

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I beat Rivals Chronos twice and never want to fight him again

[untold plaza]

from what ive read it adds the phase from the final one from the story?

[bitter stirrup]

That and it makes the first two phases substantially harder as well

[untold plaza]

alright ill give this a shot

YOU CANT PAUSE

ok phase 2 down
definitely harder

[buoyant matrix]

you don't control time 🤪 🥴

[untold plaza]

I always ragebait chronos by pausing a lot
but he's taken that from me

DONE

now for rivals typhon...sounds tricky

[bitter stirrup]

Rivals Typhon is much easier imo

Congrats on first try, it took me like 4 or 5 tries

[bitter stirrup]

Or at least it's much easier to have enough to survive against him

[untold plaza]

ive always found typhon to be harder, but we'll see
hes also become easier in recent runs

[untold plaza]

...the game gave me the achievement the second the fight started
was the propecy to just fight them all? or is this a glitch? I guess i'm not complaining

[bitter stirrup]

Speaking of never wanting to fight him again, I just did 46f without Rivals 4

#h2-victory-boasting message

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah it's just to reach the final Rivals bosses

[untold plaza]

thats good cause I cant lie I dont think im winning this one
I was trying an expiremental build I saw on reddit and idk if its paying off

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah the way I beat Rivals Typhon was to simply stack up enough health to be able to take hits, cause there's way too much going on for me

But an important thing is to pick your poison, know which moves are the ones you absolutely have to dodge

Like the tongue swing, tongue slam, and chin slam that hit for 50+ damage

[untold plaza]

Yeah those are must-dodges

oh nevermind, barely won
so glad I decided to run tooth

[copper bison]

okay wait am I crazy or is Rivals Eris lowkey easier than her normal fight

[slim pike]

Not the first time someone has said this

it's definitely different, and it can go wrong very quickly, but yeah, in some ways it's easier

[copper bison]

it’s mostly due to the machine gun attack from the normal Eris not existing I’m guessing

because if you’re not careful in the final phase that attack can really chunk you

[slim pike]

she still lasers you for 30 base damage, or explodes you for 50

she just doesn't have a double damage buff

[copper bison]

oh right that too

[slim pike]

she also flies around a lot more in rivals, and the enemies she summons can be a massive pain

[copper bison]

I can see how this would be more annoying in speedruns though she goes into the air a trillion times

yeah

[slim pike]

some weapons can defuse her eden bombs much more easily than others

and they're an actual threat far more than the mortars are