h2-discussion

[torn wind]

Lost a bit of time due to phase shift I bet

[craggy totem]

Oh tru, I guess IGT doesn't slow down to match 😅

[crude dragon]

Just play clang Persephone

[craggy totem]

Just play Hel (torch skull)

[torn wind]

my igt was 1:07 😭

I'm not that fast. But my recording uhhh... let me see

1:13 on recording

[craggy totem]

It should be the same because of PS not slowing it down, right?

Oh huh 🤔

........does PS slow it down or is it just that IGT pauses during somethin

[torn wind]

IGT was actually like 1:08 or 1:09

But recording timer was 1:13

[torn wind]

Zeus maybe

[craggy totem]

Ahhhh could be could be

[torn wind]

Nope

It still goes during zeus

okay yeah phase shift slows timer

[craggy totem]

Whoa! I Did Not Know That

[torn wind]

Yeah it physically slows the game time

[craggy totem]

Wait, does Chronos timeslow do the same!?

[torn wind]

Cause that timer is definitely not running at normal speed in the recording

[torn wind]

That I doubt because it's an attack

[craggy totem]

Fairrr

[torn wind]

But yeah phase shift saves game time

by about 4-5 seconds over my typhon fight

[craggy totem]

Inch resting

[torn wind]

I only have 3 prophecies left. flames hammer, narcissus rewards, and two chaos trials

Gonna just save that one for GCB

Somehow I've never gotten dividing blaze on flames

[undone coral]

Man after beating the game I lost all my skill, its gone

Fumbled a Mel coat with rare poseidon attack

Twice (what not getting +50 health on Efira does tl a man(

[jolly hound]

40 fear all aspects both routes complete, with all hordes 3 and like 2/3 rivals 4

[craggy totem]

What was the hardest run

[torn wind]

Unbelievably based

Dare I do a GCB now?

damn, no strength or death

[craggy totem]

Good luck on your GCB resets 😅

[torn wind]

let's see what we got this time. One reset

Got death this time, origination, that's good

Nyx coat

[nova oar]

Now do hordes 3 rivals 4

[torn wind]

Pain 2, rip, wards 2, scars 2

forfeit

denial, menace, fangs, debt, shadow and hubris 2

But I got hera first god so there's that.

[nova oar]

No timer or frenzy, hella free

[craggy totem]

Wards 2 is nothin on Nyx

Pain 2 Scars 2 with Menace+Fangs is a lil mean

But not as mean as it could have been :P

[torn wind]

Yeah gotta play safe but I at least got death

And hera special

[nova oar]

Pray for shimmering

[jolly hound]

did that for most of em yea

[jolly hound]

probably Mel axe uw took like four tries and turns out the secret sauce to make it shine was ares plasma buffing attack speed (and storm ring)

and pretty much all the blades ones were reset til I get trick knives; aphro attack mel knives surprisingly got it done I almost reset but didn’t cause I had deep dissent which is as good as it gets v rivals chronos and typhon both

I lost my undefeated record with Dionysus hangover tho makes me sad. 20-1

My mel coat run was shockingly easy cause first room was epic heph attack, second one was a nectar, third a Pom and later on got Poseidon blast cooldown buff and that was straight up unfair

[craggy totem]

Now that sounds like a blast

||:P||

[crisp comet]

Man I haven't had any issue with Erie but just died twice smh

[torn wind]

Yeah pain 2 scars 2 is kicking my ass

[craggy totem]

If it were a normal run you could offset it with your keepsake choices but GCB 😭

[red fox]

Just roll jpom

[craggy totem]

Legit what I had to do in order to beat GCA lmao

Highroll jpom + Strength

Although technically, even though you get the jpom benefit, you could argue that since the Great Chaos trials won't go out of their way to break FW, starting FW means your keepsake pool narrows to more potentially hazardous keepsakes

Cos all the god summoning keepsakes are pretty innocuous, right

But if your pool is only non-Olympian-summoning keepsakes, that means a higher chance of hitting keepsakes with side-effects, like Bell, Antler, etc.

(Is it just Bell and Antler? Brain is molasses)

(Oh, I guess Concave Stone and Experimental Hammer both could have potentially deleterious effects under certain circumstances)

[torn wind]

Well, it gave me hammer for tartarus which gave me the extra dash strike hits

[craggy totem]

Now that's a great roll

[torn wind]

So that's not terrible. But I choked really bad and am down to no DD

[craggy totem]

TBH coat doesn't have any downside hammers

[torn wind]

Least just got to buy one

I just hadn't been playing safe

[craggy totem]

What's your pool

[torn wind]

Gods? uhhhh hestia, hera, ares, zeus

[craggy totem]

Hm.... Hephless... but Hestia does have Hot Pot and Ares Blood Spree might be somethin

godspeed...

[torn wind]

Realized the reason I was dying so much is cause scars nerfs DD

Would have been way better to have strength to offset pain

[red fox]

Scar don't nerf dd tho

[torn wind]

They don't? thought it counted as a heal effect

[craggy totem]

Nope

[torn wind]

oh. Well then I just suck

[red fox]

Well that will make dd useless on max scar lol

[craggy totem]

I imagine it's the Pain doin it

[torn wind]

Damn died to chronos at like 1/4 health left

Nearly clawed it back

Poor luck run

[craggy totem]

Nooo

[torn wind]

Eww got hel rerolling that shiz

ehehehehe giga cleaver charon

Or do I go dashing heave... probably better tbh

Gonna just go dashing heave cause I doubt I'll get anything to make giga cleaver worth while

ehhhh, gonna just reroll

[nova oar]

Why would you not take giga on charon

[torn wind]

Well I rerolled anyways. I usually do

[vital hollow]

Hey, if I buy a Death Defiance when I'm at full DD's, do I get an extra one, or does it just not let me buy it

[real scarab]

It doesn't let you

[torn wind]

Same happens if you buy an extra from hermes then fill up from something like athena's DD refill boon

It will still drop off but can't be claimed

[vital hollow]

Alright, cause this is my best attempt at 50 fear yet, and didn't want to experiment with wasting 360 gold

[nimble kernel]

Sorry, went offline almost immediately after

[nova oar]

😭

[nimble kernel]

Thanks for the response:)

Since we're in #h2-discussion let me at least discuss h2. what's your favourite build @nova oar

[nova oar]

Shiva double apollo

[nimble kernel]

shiva that's the coat right with big bouncy rockets?

[nova oar]

Yep

[calm flicker]

Why is there only a chance to apply Daze with Dazzling Display when it's otherwise extremely easy to apply it via Ring & Rush?

[slim pike]

because it's a way to get daze if you don't get those boons

tier2s are necessarilary weaker than cores. You get to inflict a status with a primary attack while still getting all of nova strike

(And if you trade nova strike for some other boon, dazling display still works)

[calm flicker]

Yeah...
I compared Dazzling Display to Slippery Slope. Not only does it grant immediate & guaranteed Froth, it also increases Froth's power.
But reducing enemy accuracy isn't nearly the same as increasing DMG.

[slim pike]

But froth won't hit the damage table in a way that blitz does

it's still good, but honestly I take slippery slope to make proccing origination easier

[calm flicker]

No, yeah. The point is that I compared the two in a vacuum, & that's not fair.

[slim pike]

since splashes spread froth really easily

oh yeah, I'm not arguing that dazzling display is as good as slippery slope

[calm flicker]

As mentioned, one increases survivability in way that's not easy to replace, & the other simply increases DMG.

[slim pike]

but you'll generally notice that curses that don't rely on a core in some way are extremely rare to see

and that feels quite deliberate

(Actic gale is extremely strong for a reason)

[calm flicker]

The actual bad thing about Dazzling Display is that it encourages fast attacks to reduce the likelihood of Daze not being applied in contrast to Apollo's Strike generally favoring slow, high-power attacks.

[slim pike]

not sure I agree, but this requires a bit of deeper knowledge

nova strike and flourish are quite vague about what "Bigger" means, because it's actually set per individual move on each individual weapon

[calm flicker]

Well, it's more the raw fact that Apollo's Strike/Flourish adds %.

[slim pike]

(And so is posideon wave size, and it's not the same stat)

[slim pike]

Yeah, that's fair

[calm flicker]

% boons for heavier, slower moves & Hestia/Poseidon's Strike/Flourish for fast, low-power moves.

At least superficially.

[slim pike]

But it's a little counterbalanced in the size multiplier

But I guess dazzling is trying to counterbalance that in a weird way

[calm flicker]

If it were me, if Apollo's Strike would be so overpowered as to require adding a negative caveat, I would've changed the random-ass chance-to-apply thing to "Daze applied from Dazzling Display only reduces enemy accuracy by 16 instead of the usual 20".

Or some other number less than 20.

[slim pike]

Ehhhhh. Not sure I agree

[calm flicker]

Fair enough.

[slim pike]

Apollo is the first god you meet, he has to be straightforward

Because they made that mistake with Athena once already

[calm flicker]

Oh? What was the mistake?

[slim pike]

(Just salty that dazzling display doesn't work on flourish)

[slim pike]

Giving the first boons you get the deflect property

[calm flicker]

Making players over-rel-

Yup.

[slim pike]

Makes people miss the idea thay projectiles can just be cut down anyway

You can meet apollo, aphrodite, posideon, demeter and hestia on run 1, and they're chosen deliberately

Heph and zeus and more complex with their cores. Hera and Ares need to wait until you get a deeper understanding of the game system before they're a good idea to introduce

[quick crescent]

bruh final underworld is actually creaming me so hard, why am i getting worse everytime i fight him

[buoyant matrix]

every death is a lesson well learned 💪

[slim pike]

because sometimes you just have a worse build than the previous run

[quick crescent]

ive hitless elden ring and sekiro, you dont gotta tell me bruh

[slim pike]

if you're still learning the game, that will just happen

[quick crescent]

something about not having much ability to manipulate attacks in a 3d spaces kicks my nerves in hard af

hence why i ahvnt beaten silksong either XD

[torn wind]

Yeah there’s no “oh but my character was slightly out of alignment with the 3D hitbox and so it just barely missed me even though I was by the boss”

The stuff you can get away with in 3D space is goofy

[quick crescent]

ik big sad i actually have to either in or out of the range

[torn wind]

I’ve played enough Monster Hunter to be familiar with how janky 3D hitboxes can be

[calm flicker]

The first run I had on the surface had me confront the region 3 boss to my absolute surprise. Subsequent surface runs had me bumbling around against the region 2 boss.

Only until I've finally learned the region 2 boss' attack did I consistently beat them.

[torn wind]

Me dying to rivals Scylla after beating her no DD first try on Frenzy 2

[hearty idol]

underworld rivals be hitting like a truck cause they tired of us keep talkin they're weak compared to Surface bosses

[plain relic]

What does it say about me as a player if ive cleared the underworld 5 times, with my fastest time by far being an arcanaless run lol

Have a 19 min clear with that, next fastest is like 24 lol

[nova oar]

19 isn't too fast all things considered so you probably just had a really good build

[plain relic]

I think i got wave strike build with torches that run

Welp got pretty much the same build this run lol. Wave strike extra dose, lightning on omega attack lol

[nova oar]

Lightning lance isn't great

[slim pike]

You mean Power Surge

[nova oar]

That

[plain bronze]

I just started this after finishing Silksong, with plans to do Elden Ring next. I have no idea which direction I'm going on the difficulty curve, lol.

[nova oar]

Medium difficulty-big learning curve-hard difficulty and big learning curve

[quick crescent]

honestly each game is difficult in thier own way

[nova oar]

Pretty much

[quick crescent]

silk song just feels so unfair compared to hades 2 and elden ring

[nova oar]

I've found elden ring the hardest but I didn't struggle with silksong or hades 2

[quick crescent]

hate just having three enemies just see the future and triple hit me conitnuisly

[nova oar]

I disagree

Maybe cause I suck at elden ring lmfao

[quick crescent]

idk silksong just feels incredibly cheap and half the hitboxes feel way to big

[plain bronze]

Are you talking about the "true" final boss in Silksong where it reads your inputs and changes attacks?

[quick crescent]

it what

it does?

[nova oar]

I wouldn't say I found it easy but I didn't have trouble adjusting to silksong

[plain bronze]

Yeah, depending on your positioning and what you're doing it will decide on the next attack (or even switch up what it's currently doing)

[nova oar]

H u h

[quick crescent]

thats just every boss

and enemy

[nova oar]

Yeah lmao

[quick crescent]

hades 2 is definitly the most fair of the three

[plain bronze]

Okay fair, there were definitely a lot of enemiees that loved to fly away in SS, lol

[nova oar]

100%

[quick crescent]

elden ring feels more fair cause maybe i shouldnt have done what i did

silksong is just, oh you jumped left instead of right? 4 health gone

[nova oar]

Isn't that every bossfight in elden ring?

[quick crescent]

yeah but its super easy to bait attacks in elden ring

ss bosses feel so hard to predict compared to hk

[plain bronze]

I did play a ton of H1, so I'm really looking forward to this. Silksong did feel decidedly anti-player in a lot of the design decisions by comparison.

[quick crescent]

down pogo just sucks on all but one crest frfr

[plain bronze]

Ha! Yeah I never looked back after getting the Wanderer's crest. I guess that's probably true of every HK player

[nova oar]

I never used wanderers crest

[quick crescent]

i liked reapers purely for the silk on hit but man wanderers crest just feels like the only way to play

[nova oar]

I liked the diagonal pogo

[quick crescent]

i hated that so much

hunters march diagonal pogoing 💀

i would def put the ranking of fairness hades 2, elden ring, silksong

[plain bronze]

Did you do Shadow of the Erdtree too? I haven't played any Elden Ring yet, but I've heard some horror stories about the expansion.

[nova oar]

Ok it wasn't that bad

[quick crescent]

yeah i finished it first patch, its definitly much more enjoyable to beat now

[abstract aspen]

I took a 3 days vacation from legendary hera boon, here I am facing destiny

[plain bronze]

I haven't even unlocked all the mechanics yet here. Is there some equivalent to 64-heat in H2 which is all but impossible except for like 2 players?

[nova oar]

I will say, I did 100% of silksong in about 2-3 days, and i've only just started elden ring

[nova oar]

Max fear, but more people have alr done that

[abstract aspen]

maybe I haven't done it right, maybe to have legendary hera I have to do a judgment run

[nova oar]

💀

[abstract aspen]

you know you're scary right ? it took me months

[plain bronze]

Yeah, like, did you sleep during those 2-3 days?

[nova oar]

I put in i think exactly 100 hours in the first week

[quick crescent]

got it day one and took me lik 2 weeks to get to act three and ive only killed one of the hearts

[abstract aspen]

I know I'm a good thinker, just the thinking sometimes isn't done right but gotta do this judment run for the sake of my brain

[nova oar]

Yeah, like 12-14 hours

I was really excited for it 😭

[quick crescent]

also man i hate the siren boss fight so much, it just isnt fun

[nova oar]

I also fully remapped the controls and just played kb only

[nova oar]

Rivals?

[quick crescent]

rivals?

[nova oar]

Oh you mean base scylla?

[abstract aspen]

oh I see I've done that in 2months

[quick crescent]

yeah i havnt beaten the game yet

[nova oar]

Right ok, what are you struggling with

In the fight*

[quick crescent]

i just dont like the fight, it isnt exactly hard it jst isnt fun

actually all 2nd areas in hades 1 and 2 i just dont like

[nova oar]

Thessaly sucks ong

[quick crescent]

wo?

[abstract aspen]

oh right @nova oar I've done rivals3 but I can't do rivals4 because ||prometheus&heracles|| take 400hp of me everytimes

[nova oar]

😭

[quick crescent]

lava area in hades 1, underwater area and the boat area in hades 2 are bum as hell

[abstract aspen]

lezgo for my judgment run may hades have mercy on my braincells

[abstract aspen]

I know it's a lot and a little scary but they hit hard you know, how do you do it ?

[nova oar]

Practice

[abstract aspen]

that's a word I can't spell

[nova oar]

Although i've only done 55f sf

[abstract aspen]

that's 35 more than I've done

is it meant to teach me that higher the fear, higher the damage I can do ?

[quick crescent]

me when some says practise but it takes 20 minutes to get there everytime 😎

[nova oar]

I'm way better at uw

[nova oar]

20 minutes to get to prom?

[quick crescent]

ik its longer

i love the field of mourning so much its such an awesome and cool area

[nova oar]

You mean irl time?

[quick crescent]

yeah

[nova oar]

Ah ok

[abstract aspen]

my judgment hera run isn't doing good cause of no hera so far

[quick crescent]

sorry i havnt beaten the game once so sorry if what i say is wrong

dont take what i sayto seriously

[bitter stirrup]

Scylla fight is my favorite because it's chill (when not on Rivals) and obviously the music

I also just love Scylla though lol

[abstract aspen]

on rivals scylla better

[nova oar]

I don't like any of the music tbh

[abstract aspen]

the only music I like is when scylla shut up after a good beating

[quick crescent]

scylla is a boring fight that i never like doing and im always happier when i leave

[nova oar]

You'll love the rivals version then

[abstract aspen]

is there a way to avoid hecate curse without frinos ?

[plain relic]

Yeah I would've preferred another Hermes with the bonus to proc chance

[nova oar]

You can dash through it

[abstract aspen]

it will disappear if I do so ?

[nova oar]

It's only active for a few seconds so you just keep dashing through it

[abstract aspen]

oh I tought it was eternal thanks

so maybe judgment run to find legendary boon isn't the best
https://imgur.com/a/6zcJS9C

[nova oar]

Definitely not

[abstract aspen]

but it was a good one, just may hp managment isn't good for trying chaos twice

[rocky snow]

Literally just doing runs to get Fates trimmings from Narcissus for the prophecy and hes not shown after 9 attempts 😭😭😭

[abstract aspen]

feel you bro, just don't try it and you'll see him

[old veldt]

What aspects cleared 67 f again

[abstract aspen]

I don't know but I do feel like momus or charon

[old veldt]

Momus would be one of my last guesses lol

Ik for a fact circe and Mel are better, and I'm pretty sure Anubis is too

[rocky snow]

Problem is i dont normally use the rerolls so I'll never see it without specifically going out of my way just for it, its one of the last things I have left to do in the game

[abstract aspen]

but momus feels right

[abstract aspen]

for me it's legendary hera and the gods with moon and the win with which aspects

[rocky snow]

I dont remember which but im pretty sure one of the chaos trials sets you up to get the Legendary Hera boon pretty easily so you can just repeat that

[abstract aspen]

I'll pierce one of my arms if it's correct

[rocky snow]

I know its how I ticked off Hesita and Ares legendaries cuz i was never getting smolder ring early enough or taking any blood boons

[quick crescent]

yippee beat chronos for the first time

[abstract aspen]

congrats

[abstract aspen]

i had have hermes which time i tried hera

[quick crescent]

only took 30 boons

[abstract aspen]

more boons you have the better

why does it feels like ||heroic athena is a joke|| SPOILER for new player
https://imgur.com/a/kIfMRPP

[slim pike]

The curse also loses all ability to home in on you during your dash iframes

So dashing through it causes it to fly away from you and need to turn around to make another pass, which is enough time to dash again

[abstract aspen]

oh thanks

another run without legendary hera

[slim pike]

Doing this is relatively easy, but hecate is also attacking you so you can take damage that way

[slim pike]

Got the proper prereqs?

[abstract aspen]

yep

gotta try those chaos trial now as @rocky snow suggested

https://imgur.com/a/AQE2r8a
@rocky snow @nova oar I'm gonna pin my arms to the floor what in the holly asphodel is this, I've been trying for 2weeks to succeed in a go in chaos trial ?

[nova oar]

Nice one lmfao

[nimble kernel]

Oh nice, mine is at this moment Eos with Ares + Aphro

[short raft]

Im starting to think Ares attack on Cloak may be goated.

For no meaningful reason i oneshot the medusa boss.

[nova oar]

It's better on special

[short raft]

Isnt Ares based off base damage? So how is it good on special since its first damage is pretty weak?

[nova oar]

Ares has the lowest base %damage, wounds are really good but you need a better boon on the attack

Coat specials are best at applying curses, not so much for dealing damage

[short raft]

ok

[nova oar]

Coat attack wants pos or hestia attack in most cases

[hearty idol]

Ares in Hades 2 is more better for support imo, and not main damage unlike Hades 1

[short raft]

Im talking about Omega Attack

[hearty idol]

secondary damage i mean, not support

unless blade fall full duo

[nova oar]

Why are we using coat oattack

[short raft]

Whats more important for Blade duo? Apollo's or Heps?

[nova oar]

He can be the main damage source for some aspects but in general he's more supportive yea

[short raft]

I personally like big punch

[nova oar]

Depends on the run

[short raft]

In this case Charon's, cuz it makes blades fall instantly by itself

[nova oar]

What has charon got to do with it

[slim pike]

Heph does a lot more than it looks

[short raft]

The aspect of charon makes both blade and Ocast trigger instantly upon Special hit, it forces it out

[slim pike]

since blades all have a spawn limit based on the boon spawning them, so dropping them 0.65secs faster makes more of them proc, as well as giving them more of a chance to actually hit at all

So Coffin Nail is much more consistent results, Cutting Edge is more variable but technically much higher damage

[nova oar]

If you're playing charon you'd want apollo anyway

[slim pike]

It doesn't make the blade drop instantly

[short raft]

Uh? Upon Oespecial, the blade falls, or are my eyes lying to me?

[broken creek]

The blades have their own timer

[slim pike]

Coincidentally, maybe

[broken creek]

So probably by the time you Ospec they fall naturally

Iirc nothing can force the blades to fall, if they could maybe they'd be decent

[copper bison]

so at what point can you post media I just got the funniest clip

[slim pike]

Coffin nail

[broken creek]

Ohhh true

[slim pike]

but yeah, blade ring works by basically detecting whenever an enemy is affected by the slowdown of the binding circle and spawns a sword over them with a 1 second timer (if that cast hasn't spawned a sword for that enemy already, and there's less than 6 such swords in existence)

[short raft]

I uninstalled today to take a break, but i played like 6 runs of Charon Blade and the blade constantly happen unpon Ospecial

[slim pike]

what's nice here is that charon expands the cast circle to it's bigger size for a hot second for the slowdown effect to tick at least once, then detonates

[short raft]

So someone else go and pic a gif of it or something

[slim pike]

If you always drop a cast then ospec straight away, then it will be about the right timing to sync up

but those swords will have fallen at that point anyway if you hadn't ospecial'd

[nova oar]

Use imgur

[copper bison]

https://imgur.com/a/1dH624p

high skill at display here

[dire sand]

Hell ye

[tranquil wren]

stop telling people to use imgur 🥀

even my VPN doesn't work for it

you can post the image in a priv discord, right click to copy media link, then paste here

[nova oar]

You're supposed to stand in the circle, not edge it

[copper bison]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/797385985528823840/1470801084820754432/hades_2_lmao.mp4?ex=698c9dc0&is=698b4c40&hm=f582940727e4a6a9b219361248c3d384de74598f60915d7273f346d802ac83b3&

well that also works

[copper bison]

I overshot the dash

[short raft]

me yesterday, like unironically

[copper bison]

the typea stuff that only happens when you're on Strength

[short raft]

I assure you it doesnt seem like it.
https://youtu.be/8CJY1RhnH30?t=46

[slim pike]

What are you talking about? There's clearly three swords still hanging in the air after that oSpecial was done because those enemies walked into the cast late

[short raft]

Oh... nvm.
Its just that Charon forces the blade to drop regardless of people staying in the circle or not.
Nvm, my apologies.

[slim pike]

it briefly makes the cast bigger and that can cause more blades to spawn

[old veldt]

whats the max kudos?

[slim pike]

it didn't force the blade over the wastrel to drop, that just dropped

[old veldt]

does anyone have 999999?

[short raft]

Yeah my b

[slim pike]

easy mistake to make, I'll admit (because it does force Solar ring to pop early)

[shell herald]

I have a dream! A dream! A DREAM! Of The art of Hades 1&2 book!

[nova oar]

Probably whatever the bit integer is unless the devs coded a hard limit

[short raft]

Well at least it gurantees blades falls cast to hit, so thats nice

[old veldt]

also whats the list of aspects that beat 67 fear?

[nova oar]

All mel aspects but torches, nergal, medea, (unverified moros afaik), shiva, that's all I can remember

[broken creek]

Circe both ways

Medea, mel skull, nergal, circe, mel staff have done 67 both ways

In theory everything can do 67 uw, surface is a bit more of a struggle

[old veldt]

cause of time?

[broken creek]

Yeah olympus scales so hard some weapons fall of catastrophically

[old veldt]

what heavy magick aspects beat 67? only moros and shiva? (i dont play shive but im told its magick heavy)

[broken creek]

But also olympus enemies are so mean so no arcana makes mana weapons almost impossible for surface

[nova oar]

Oh circe has been done both ways now

[broken creek]

Shiva avoided its omegas entirely

And the moros idk theres no vod just a win screen but you have to assume they played heavy into omegas

Oh persephone skull has also done 67 uw

[nova oar]

It's probably genuine tbh

Dirt did use omegas

[old veldt]

how big is difference from 62-67

you need to be what twice as good?

cause im assuming arcana at least doubles your damage and surviavbility, probably more

i guess its a hard question to answer

[nova oar]

More like 5 or 6×

[old veldt]

oh 😭

[nova oar]

At least

I can clear 62f but would barely make it a few rooms at 67

[old veldt]

what abt to 65

[slim pike]

no death defiances, no global damage bonuses, slower omegas, no free max hp and mana growth, no lovers, it stiiiings

[old veldt]

surely if u get lucky through judgment

[nova oar]

Starts off alot harder but with some luck only ends a little harder

You'd have to ask someone who's actually done both @broken creek

[still mantle]

Surely the god statues help a bit?

[still mantle]

I dont even use lovers😭

[broken creek]

65-67 is the hardest jump in the game and its not close

62 -> 65 is pretty simple as long as you play a strong early game since its just judgment

[broken creek]

Not enough

[craggy totem]

Are you a Strength gamer at 65, idr if you said before

[broken creek]

Umm I havent ran 65 in forever but my setup was strength + persistence yeah

If i played it again though id probably do persistence artificer messenger/runner tho

At least for uw since artificer is so important to have early

[craggy totem]

Yeah

BTW @nova oar the Mel coat speed WR (it's not on the website yet but it was like 4:02) uses Artificer :)

If you're about to be like "it could have been a sub 4 without Artificer", nuh-uh, it was that fast partly cos the build was cracked

[still mantle]

I may be crazy, but im not as crazy as yall

My highest fear is 32😭

[nova oar]

Wild

[nova oar]

Rookie numbers

[craggy totem]

It was also a jpom run :)

[still mantle]

Yeah ik

[nova oar]

That's normal

[still mantle]

I still dont even have all the testaments for coat😭

[craggy totem]

JS there was a lot of gambling 😆

[old veldt]

what abt 60-62

[craggy totem]

Does anyone bother running 60? 🤔

What the hell would you be leaving off at that point

[old veldt]

my friend did scars off

wait has morrigan done 67?

or 65

[nova oar]

For me 62 was easier than 60

[nova oar]

Just 65

[old veldt]

ok

[buoyant matrix]

it has done 67

vytautas did it i think

[craggy totem]

I know and appreciate that Vytautas did the no TK 67 on... Mel blades I think it was 😆

And yeah, I see the Morrigan 67 when I go look it up

[broken creek]

It sucks sure but in reality its no different

You shouldn't be getting hit anyway and any run that would clear 60 clears 62 and even 65 easily

[buoyant matrix]

nah there's a good chunk of difference between 62 and 65

the lack of early damage is very noticeable

[broken creek]

Sure but its judgment

So the time will be made up with a half decent hit

If 67 wont time out a judgment wont ever time out

Sure 62 gets away with more but like they dont feel too different from experience

[mild arch]

Do Hephaestus hammers count towards origination?

Like i mean when enemies are in a cast with the hapestus cast boon

[craggy totem]

If you hover over the boon description, it will straightforwardly tell you whether it applies a curse

For example, if there is a keyword like Gust or whatnot, hovering over it will say whether it is or isn't a curse

[mild arch]

Ohhhh, i never knew that, thanks!

[craggy totem]

This is how I learnt that Steam (from the duo boon Scalding Vapor) is not a curse 😆

[still mantle]

Wait what

[craggy totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280788714790322176/1470836926691934282/image.png?ex=698cbf22&is=698b6da2&hm=1bdd5414ddb500a4455abcae822c4b6110d7073cdf61ce7ef3dfb75bc6580a41&

Spot the difference

[jolly hound]

No, there is furnace blast heph boon that causes blasts to also inflict glow - that is the status that applies to orig and I think the only way to get it

[mild arch]

Unrivaled Chronos is such a hard fight 😭

[crude dragon]

Hardest in the game, FWIW

[jolly hound]

Deep dissent from dad is about as good as it gets to make that fight easier. Which does not mean it’s easy

[craggy totem]

And wrt Heph cast: Heph cast does not do blasts. If you read the description of Anvil Ring, it specifically doesn't call the damage blasts. So you are just out of luck for Origination purposes unless you stick Arctic Gale on it as an add-on.

[mild arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282422116641411185/1470849238102704299/image.png?ex=698cca99&is=698b7919&hm=1b8cb937877ff55016f7fb0b77c34457cd1152f199fc381e2be122ee35494faf&
Should i take kings ransom here?

[jolly hound]

do you have trick knives? You’ll miss that special if yes

[mild arch]

Dancing knives

[jolly hound]

I think hold off a bit you only would get four poms on blitz if you had storm ring or double strike I’d say yes

[mild arch]

Isnt it 16 poms?

Each hera boons would give +4 and i have 4 hera boons

[jolly hound]

It’s 4 levels per Hera boon eaten

[broken creek]

you never take kings ransom there icl

hitch is a core part of your damage and room clear

[jolly hound]

that is what it does yes, my bad I’m blind but I would still say no cause you’re in hera legendary territory with that many hera’s so early

if you get storm ring and double strike and it comes up again later then yeah prob worth it but idk I think no

[mild arch]

ok thanks!

[mild arch]

Ayy i got the hera legend boon right before typhon

Wow this boon looks good

[craggy totem]

Bit gambly but ayup!

[calm flicker]

How fiercely does Ares' Strike lust after Grievous Blow (minicrit vs Wounds) over Hephaestus Blasts & Furnace Blast (applies Glow)?

[buoyant matrix]

a lot more
ares is just a grievous merchant at high level

[craggy totem]

I feel like since you can get origination from other sources, the bigger question is in comparison to how much Heph blasts thirst for cooldown reduction (poms/rarity/Seismic)

[jolly hound]

The one time divorce really popped off was a henious affront build with divine vengeance and double strike it was like every wounds also had 30 lighting blasts it was the one and only time I’ve blown out rivals chronos

[unkempt scroll]

My uni is having a lecture about Hades II

[naive pier]

Aspect of Anubis + Daedalus!Vampiric Cataclysm sounds busted

[calm flicker]

Not to me. I won't know if the enemy will be killed by the regular attack radius or the attack sweet spot.

Come to mention, I really like Anubis' "sweet spot" mechanic.

[mild arch]

Does the silken sash still work after unequipping?

[craggy totem]

You keep your armor but nothing else

[ocean cargo]

yo i have every weapon every pet every keepsake full bond with chaos and complete 30 chaos trials and reached the epilogue but still dont have 'chaos below/above' nor 'great chaos below/above' how do i get these trials?

[craggy totem]

Every aspect?

[ocean cargo]

yes

and all hidden aspects leveled up to max

every aspect is maxed

[mild arch]

Every arcana?

[craggy totem]

Every.... arcana and also all the levels of Vow of Rivals?

[ocean cargo]

i have completed all vows of rivals

[ocean cargo]

i believe so

[crude dragon]

Every keepsake?

[ocean cargo]

yup

[crude dragon]

It doesn't require you to roll specific dialogue from Chaos, does it?

[ocean cargo]

i dont exactly know but i got his ancient bond

[mild arch]

What about completing a run with each special aspect?

[ocean cargo]

i havent done that

[naive pier]

Just beat Chronos for the first time while saving my dress.
I wish there was a way to keep it or something or customize what Melinoe wears in general😭

No dialogue too, besides "Silk Saver" describing the run

[mild arch]

Time for my first 32F underworld run

[jolly hound]

Go get him

[buoyant matrix]

do you have all 5 pets too?

[naive pier]

oh
Oh yeah

When I said
I was going to complete this game

I did not include the Mixer in that statement.
I am not.
Grinding all of the Mixers' rewards.

[mild arch]

Mixer?

[ocean cargo]

yea i do

[buoyant matrix]

how many chaos trials have you completed

[ocean cargo]

30

[buoyant matrix]

huh, weird

[naive pier]

Next to the musician and the record keepers
You go there and you upgrade your title thingy.
For boss resources and thousands...upon thousands...upon thousands of Kudos.

[buoyant matrix]

are you sure you have everything unlocked and the trial is still missing? double checking wouldn't hurt

[ocean cargo]

i did check rn

i got the achievement for all keepsakes

and i have 30 trials done

[onyx meteor]

Is anyone aware of a video like this, but for the surface?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmholFSJoc
(Boated's How to speedrun Hades 2 video)

[ocean cargo]

and have the achievement for completing 20

[mild arch]

Do you have to unlock it or something?

[buoyant matrix]

finish the prophecy for winning a run with every aspect, maybe that'll do something

[ocean cargo]

thats wat im doing rn

[buoyant matrix]

I've seen this one asked several times, so I'm putting it here

Chaos Above/Below Requirements:

• reached ending
• unlocked all 25 arcana cards
• have 30 max grasp
• cleared 10+ surface runs
• cleared 10+ underworld runs
• unlocked all 24 aspects
• have all 33 keepsakes
• unlocked all 5 familiars

Greater Chaos Above/Below Requirements:

• all of the above
• cleared surface with at least 10 fear
• cleared underworld with at least 10 fear

[ocean cargo]

alr bet thank u

[buoyant matrix]

shoutout to hippo 🔥

[ocean cargo]

thanks bro

[crisp comet]

I thought Shiva was buns

Now I gotta try it

Apollo on attack and special when you say double?

[craggy totem]

Yeah

[winter egret]

Hey, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I was doing a normal run, and usually I put a keepsake to give me boons for the first couple of area's then for the final boss (chronos this time) I would put on Moro's trinket for the 10 secs of invuln if I die, but on this run I just did, it was locked? I am not sure why

[crude dragon]

Did you take it and swap off earlier?

[plain relic]

Can someone explain the skull weapons special? Sometimes I get a super long dash and sometimes its really short. Is it collision based?

[ebon sigil]

the omega is longer, and if you're using persephone, it can be redirected so that one is a little different.

[tough viper]

when a hex confers a benefit to you until the end of combat (like 5% more move speed or 2% damage reduction), is it each time you use it, or only the first time?

[buoyant matrix]

only first time

[gusty tree]

I am close to getting the ending

Or atleast I just have to defeat Typhon 2 more times

[gusty tree]

And then beat Chronos

And then most likely beat the Vow of Rivals of both

[gusty tree]

Also because why the hell not. Worst aspect per weapon - let me know if you agree

Witch’s Staff - Circe (None of them are bad)

Sister Blades - Pan

Moonstone Axe - Charon

Argent Skull - Melinöe

Umbral Flames - Supay

Black Coat - Selene

I would say that on Average the Staff has the best weapon aspects

[cursive nacelle]

Charon axe is good. Id say mel axe is worse.

[gusty tree]

As somone who uses Melinoe axe, it isn’t bad.

Charon’s Axe on the other hand is a slow gimmicky mess

[cursive nacelle]

Slow sure. But charon is capable of 1shotting entire rooms of enemies

[gusty tree]

And if it wasn’t for Aspect of Pan it would probably be the worst aspect in the game IMPO

I shouldn’t have to explain why Aspect of pan is bad

[timid vigil]

charon is arguably the best axe

[gusty tree]

It is so god damn slow to get the benefits

And the thing is a god damned mana hog

You have to make sure that the enemy is in your omega cast, and them blow it up with your omega special.

[cursive nacelle]

You dont need omega cast you can use regular

If you get apollo mana gain you have infinite mana

[gusty tree]

To be fair Apollo has one of the best mana gain boons in general

[broken glen]

Momus is by far the worst staff- it isn’t bad, but it got severely powercrept over EA

[gusty tree]

I prefer Aphrodite due to origination, but Apollo’s is good.

[open nimbus]

What the... circe is easily the strongest staff...

[broken glen]

And Eos is probably the worst torch (though it’s a great high fear option)

Supay has a weak start but works very well with on hit effects

[unkempt zodiac]

This is perfectly balanced between very popular and very unpopular opinions

[rose yarrow]

Momus, pan, Mel axe, hel, Mel torch, either Mel coat or Selene

[unkempt zodiac]

I agree with this

[gusty tree]

I’d say it is the worst due to how much investment it requires to get meaningful value out of.

[unkempt zodiac]

Except I dislike supay because I am bad at the game

[flint shale]

imo mel sisterblades and mel axe is worse but i havent beaten the game yet

[gusty tree]

Melinoe Axe is the weapon I consistently get the farthest with.

[unkempt zodiac]

Imo thats more momus. Circe immediately gets the purple beam and only really takes one or two cast boons to start shredding

Staff is very overall great tho so I don't want to complain about it too hard

[gusty tree]

The psychic leash is nice, but getting more value out of the double cast itself takes alot of investment in specific boons

Like you have to equip certain god(ess) keepsakes and seek out those boons

[grave kernel]

if I wanted to do a cast-based build, I just use Charon axe for that

[gusty tree]

Sure if the build goes online then it melts enemies and turns them into dust.

[gusty tree]

but you can say this about basically any build

[timid vigil]

You just need lucid gain

And you can dash while charging ospecial it's really not that big of a deal

[crude dragon]

The humble Lucid Gain:

[open nimbus]

Tf lol you only need storm ring

[timid vigil]

Yeah Circe is no way the weakest staff

[open nimbus]

But objectively, it has the most utility. The leash and the dual casts

[crude dragon]

Momus is right there and requires even more to get off the ground

[open nimbus]

I quite literally beat the surface staff wr today with circe...

[crude dragon]

In addition to flat-out requiring you to have it at rank 5 while Circe's great out of the box

[open nimbus]

Momus might as well not have any ability because its so bad

[crude dragon]

I wouldn't go that far

But it needs the most help to get going

[timid vigil]

And tbh even though storm ring is the best one a lot of other rings work great

[twilit pond]

I doubt anyone wants but I got a code for Hades 2 original soundtrack by Darren Korb and you can redeem a digital copy in mp3 or lossless flac format if anyone is interested dm me

[gusty tree]

anyways
Best Aspect per Weapon

Witch’s Staff - Melinöe

Sister Blades - Artemis

Moonstone Axe - Thanatos or Melinöe

Umbral Flames - Eos

Argent Skull - Persephone

Black Coat - Melinöe

Get your pitch forks ready for atleast one of these takes

[timid vigil]

To me it's like this
Staff - best mel (Circe close second), worst momus

Blades - best morri, worst pan

Torches - best moros, worst mel (not even bad tbh, just a downgrade from moros)

Axe - best Charon (than really close), worst mel

Skull - best Medea, worst hel

Coat - Best nyx, worst selene

[crude dragon]

Choosing Artemis over Morrigan is heretical enough, why do you also pick mom over Medea?

[rose yarrow]

Mel staff, morrigan not even close, Charon, Moros, Medea, nyx

[gusty tree]

Scaling

Boons starting off at a higher level = better scaling

[timid vigil]

Yeah not how it works necessarily

[crude dragon]

Yeah, unfortunately you're not taking the free epic Nova Strike and Nova Flourish that Medea gets by existing

[timid vigil]

I would say mel skull is better than Persephone

And both lose to Medea anyway

[rose yarrow]

Idk abt higher boon lvl over a guaranteed +90% attack and special damage

[crude dragon]

Also, Mel skull being bonus base damage is a better passive than gambling

[gusty tree]

I would say that Melinöe Skull is the only bad aspect of Melinöe

[timid vigil]

Mel skull is probably the second best mel aspect

[crude dragon]

I think we have a new contender for worst takes in this server after Metal

[gusty tree]

It rewards you for having less ammo in the damn thing

[timid vigil]

You probably see low number and you think it's bad, but it's base power, it's insane.

[crude dragon]

It rewards you for mag-dumping

[timid vigil]

I'm convinced metal is at least 60% of the time ragebaiting

[crude dragon]

And considering how trivial it is to get your shells back, it's not like it's hard to repeatedly mag-dump

[gusty tree]

You’ll be happy to know my takes are just hot, not rage bait

but most of them are probably unpopular

But I changed my takes on Several gods / esses

I’ll say this. I used to criminally underrate Hera

[unkempt zodiac]

In terms of cool factor it sucks

[still mantle]

Who's metal?

[unkempt zodiac]

Staff is neat, torches are fine since every Torch is radically different, blades are good

But the other three Mel aspects? So boring

[gusty tree]

Melinoe aspects are basic, but they can get the job done

[unkempt zodiac]

Staff Torch and blades have unique stuff going on tho

Axe is OK too ig

[gusty tree]

I think that Melinöe axe is arguably the best Axe. Getting extra burst damage and more health with no additional setup just for equiping the thing is really good.

Aspect of Thanatos is also up there as arguably the best axe IMO

[unkempt zodiac]

While I can see why someone might like it, the other three axes are just quite compelling

[ebon sigil]

i'm in love with charon axe

[unkempt zodiac]

Well hidden axe is eh whatever it's basically the same cool factor as Mel axe

[shell lake]

Can the gods from the surface appear in the underworld after already encountering them

[timid vigil]

do you mean hera and ares?

[ebon sigil]

yes with their trinket, but ||Athena requires you don't have any death defiances ||

[shell lake]

Yeah

[timid vigil]

yeah they can

[crude dragon]

Yeah, once you meet their unlock conditions, they will show up as regular appearances from then on

[calm flicker]

The more I equip it, the more ridiculous is Zeus' Infusion requiring only 5 air tokens.

[rough lintel]

He right tho? The best one is hel 😩

Medea worst skull inshallah

[crude dragon]

There ain't been a single patch where it wasn't Medea

[rough lintel]

Real, not troll

I think aspect of belweuf best skull

Gilgamesh 0 diff

[crude dragon]

I unironically liked Greg fists, though that's probably because I wasn't climbing to high Heat with it

Were they the best? No, but they were fun

[gusty tree]

I think it rediculous how good Air quality is

It the only one I will pick up if I don’t meet the requirements incase I meet them in the future.

[crude dragon]

More of a Proper Upbringing enjoyer myself

[gusty tree]

Speaking of Hera, her Legendary boon is busted as hell

[crude dragon]

It is very funny

And if you play it right, makes it almost guaranteed to get full value from Extended Family

[calm flicker]

I so fiercely favor Hera's Infusion.

[broken glen]

Air quality is… underwhelming, as it applies the damage boost AFTER literally everything else. By late game, your static shock or whatnot might just do more damage regardless

Like it’s sometimes good but it usually ends up not doing much

Gust is the only thing that will usually not go over

[crude dragon]

It's mostly for boosting Gales and Gusts than it is for anything Zeus does

[calm flicker]

There was one run where, with Zeus' Infusion, the greatest DMG source was Demeter's Rush.

[crude dragon]

Yeah, I believe that

[calm flicker]

And Hestia's Rush... I guess.

Well, I didn't have Hestia's Rush. It's just that it too has a 0.25s damage interval.

[still mantle]

You understand how broken it would be if it applied before.

Right?

[broken glen]

Yes I do

I understand why the developers designed the boon as they did

[still mantle]

Also it helps make it not a build ruiner to have certain boons be common

No matter how much yall pretend rarity doesn't matter

It does.

But air quality can help mitigate downsides from stuff like static shock

[calm flicker]

Well, if we're talking about common boons, there's none other than Hera's Infusion: the 2nd easiest Infusion to meet the conditions of behind Apollo's.

Too bad it doesn't reduce Snow Queen's prime before it's been equipped.

[still mantle]

Apollo's?

[calm flicker]

3 fire tokens. Regenerate 30% of the most recent instance of DMG over 5s.

[still mantle]

Erm ACKtually the easiest boons to meet the conditions of are water fitness, martial art, slow cooker, wispy eiles

[still mantle]

Ik what it does

But is it the easiest

Because TECHNICALLY

The per element boons are easier

[calm flicker]

I'm talking about conditional Infusion boons than stacking.

[storm glen]

AQ is a strange design

[still mantle]

Ok

Then yeah

[still mantle]

What now

[broken glen]

Air quality

[torn wind]

Air quality becomes a lot less strong than I originally considered for certain stuff due to it being applied after % damage buffs

So like it does basically nothing to a decent roll of storm ring

[broken glen]

Especially if you have FW things like static shock won’t benefit much

[torn wind]

But obviously is great for static shock, prom flare, circe

[nova oar]

Air quality is one of the most useless boons until its one of the best in specific builds

[calm flicker]

I do wonder why Hephastus' Infusion doesn't increase attack/special. Hephastus' Strike/Flourish provide fire tokens, so it's gonna be even harder to amass as significant amount of earth tokens, even if Ares' Strike/Flourish would greatly appreciate them.

[vocal verge]

What does the yellow skull mean in this image? https://imgur.com/a/GUd9uJG

[calm flicker]

The aspect's greatest surface Fear.

[vocal verge]

thanks!

[vocal verge]

And the purple skull is the greatest underworld fear then I guess?

[jolly hound]

Air quality static shock support fire arctic gale/tornado dash on knives is sexy

[vocal verge]

One card talks about omega combos. Is there a listing of possible omega combos somewhere?

[calm flicker]

It's just a name. Simply perform an move different from the previous one

The Night Arcana is a favorite of mine.

[vocal verge]

oh ok

[jolly hound]

I don’t think Charon axe works the way you hope it does for that arcana fyi

[broken glen]

Yeah breaking the cast with Charon Ospecial doesn’t count as Ocast for night

[calm flicker]

However powerful Charon is, I don't care for it.

I don't find it all that fun.

[still mantle]

Why not?

[still mantle]

Is it the gameplay loop or something?

[calm flicker]

I also dislike the design.

[rough lintel]

aq + static shock + poseidon attack + anubis = free win

[jolly hound]

you basically need Apollo and either Poseidon or Demeter, something to boost your ospecial speed and if you’re on controller a way to rebind your buttons so you can dash while charging o special, it’s either incredible or ass and there’s not really much middle ground

[rough lintel]

chuck blitz on ospecial

absolute carnage

[jolly hound]

you really want Anubis to sing, grab grape juice from Dionysus, it lasts the entire duration of the circle attack

[rough lintel]

yea but it goes over AQ anyways, hence AQ is useless

[jolly hound]

I’d rather Apollo over blitz on Charon

mostly cause it also really wants lucid gain

[rough lintel]

however, AQ is insane with wrekcless behaviour on anubis

[calm flicker]

That's not it. I'm talking about, provided I equip Lightning Lance/Glowing Coal, it's a repeat of cast -> special over & over again with the odd dash-attack to apply Glow or whatever.

[jolly hound]

I don’t touch lightning lance or coal and I’ll reset if jpom gives me howling soul tbh

[tranquil wren]

what why

[sturdy magnet]

I alway hates when Eris doing the Spread Fire where she shoot multiple bullet in a v shape

[old veldt]

i recently had a howling soul run, it felt fine im ngl

tbf its nowhere near high fear

[jolly hound]

because the button does the same thing on every run and I don’t wanna go against my muscle memory

[old veldt]

just dash behind her

[sturdy magnet]

I do that. But it's always pain when she does it

[tranquil wren]

ah

[torn wind]

She turns like a tank

[insert gif of Virgil turning with stone grinding sounds}

[sturdy magnet]

Fr

[jolly hound]

I did get my fear PR with howling tho cause it was also an epic Zeus special first boon, go figure

Would have had a way easier time of it without howling however I will begrudgingly admit it worked well for chronos

[calm flicker]

Nergal & Thanatos are more fun.

[nova oar]

Just stand behind her

[old veldt]

thats subjective

[jolly hound]

Charon needs you to be able to dash while holding o special to work, if you’re on controller you need to remap buttons

[sturdy magnet]

That's what I do.

Same with Aetos being a pain, I'd just avoid him or evade him

[old veldt]

mel axe is better than nergal for high fear right?

[wise wave]

But Nergal can heal

[torn wind]

Everything I hear about nergal is "if you don't get psychic whirlwind right away, reset"

[craggy totem]

It's playable without Psychic Whirlwind

Were you by any chance eavesdropping on speedrunners? Cos that would make sense in that specific context

[torn wind]

IDK maybe. Was an actual conversation, not just eavesdropping

[craggy totem]

I use the term a bit facetiously, no worries haha

[storm glen]

nergal better but mel more fun

[sturdy magnet]

I always died whenever I use the Aspect of Thanatos

[jolly hound]

Nergal can work with a lot of attack speed buffs if you don’t get whirlwind js

[plain relic]

Who's ready to give discord our government names

[nova oar]

I've alr been kicked off of reddit

[plain relic]

Im sure nothing bad will happen to discord servers, causing a massive data leak and exposing peoples IDs

Hackers only exist in transformer movies played by Anthony Anderson star of Black*ish on NBC

[crude dragon]

(Again)

[sterile prism]

Im going to stop using discord if it asked for my actual identity

[calm flicker]

Do you guys find Artemis or Melinoe more fun?

[crude dragon]

I'd rather use neither

[stuck minnow]

I recently learned that you can make a build to spam Lunar Eclipses and do like 500 bajizillion damage to bosses

[sterile prism]

yeah but its like a boring build

[stuck minnow]

That's how I beat Scylla and Cerberus for the first time on the same run

I made it to Chronos using that build, where I was hard stuck on Scylla before

[craggy totem]

Characters or blade aspects?

[stuck minnow]

Predictably, Chronos beat my ass, but it was fun while it lasted

[crude dragon]

Usually, when you have a build that eats your MP enough to have good Hex uptime, the build itself is strong enough to not need the Hex

[stuck minnow]

Me when Hephaestus

[jolly hound]

I just did hera attack and heph special Anubis and somehow had a blowout win (no pun intended)

[crude dragon]

I'm also just thinking of stuff like Ripple Effect torches and Charon

Or the hidden aspects

[stuck minnow]

I just had Tough Gain on
I'd spam out Ωs to build Hex, drop the moon on the boss twice, then get hit on purpose to refill my Magick and repeat

Despite often taking 20 or more damage at a time, this carried me to Chronos with minimal effort

Then I died

[crude dragon]

Yeah, I do not recommend Tough Gain if you're not building towards the Hera/Heph Duo

[stuck minnow]

I found it very helpful

+150 Magick on hit is
Basically a full refill

If I know I'm gonna get hit, may as well take that and the damage reduction

[craggy totem]

It isn't very strong DR unless you do the funny with sac boons tbh

[stuck minnow]

Oh no, i know it isn't

Like 4 reduction max I think

And that's if it's Heroic

[crude dragon]

Issue is, other MP regens like Lucid Gain can easily hit that as well, without the perquisite of getting hit

[crude dragon]

There's a way to get around that limitation by sacrificing into it

[stuck minnow]

I didn't have access to Lucid Gain, hate to break it to you

[crude dragon]

Well, what was your pool that run?

[stuck minnow]

Like

I don't remember actually

I know I had Hephaestus

And Hera, I had her on my cast I think

[crude dragon]

Born Gain was a possibility

[stuck minnow]

I don't think I had Apollo at all

[crude dragon]

Born Gain was a possibility

[nova oar]

What are we talking abt?

[craggy totem]

Gainful employment :B

[stuck minnow]

I don't even understand what Born Gain does

[craggy totem]

Ah, that's the problem

[stuck minnow]

Never used it, mind
The description doesn't help me much

[craggy totem]

Born Gain refills your magick fully every time you run out -- at the cost of temporarily priming x amount of magick

[stuck minnow]

Oh

WHY DOESN'T IT SAY THAT

[craggy totem]

It says that, just in a less easily understandable way ig

[calm flicker]

Aspects. I don't like any of non-Morrigan's bonus stats.

[stuck minnow]

Supergiant tf is your grammar

[craggy totem]

If you proc it a bunch of times while having low max magick, you may "prime out" = not be able to use magick for the rest of that encounter

However, if you have high max magick, that becomes more unlikely

Especially if the Born Gain is higher level/rarity

[stuck minnow]

Me when Hecate

[craggy totem]

Mel blades all the way

[nova oar]

this isnt even the worst wording lmfao

[stuck minnow]

I don't find the Blades very useful

[crude dragon]

Yeah, that honor goes to Flood Gain

[stuck minnow]

Though the backstabbing is probably good, I have't upgraded them at all

[nova oar]

Or attack vs attacks

[craggy totem]

Flood Gain doesn't even mention the fact that it can give you magick back when you are starting with zero

[craggy totem]

Oh yeah you gotta be upgradin

[stuck minnow]

I've been putting everything into Descura and Zorephet

[craggy totem]

Circe didn't really need the upgrades

[nova oar]

Not the legal names 😭

[stuck minnow]

Hehe big axe go 500

[nova oar]

I hate the axe

[crude dragon]

It also just does not mention that your free Omega triggers Magic Flood, or give a tooltip for what Magic Flood does

[stuck minnow]

I almost killed... forgot uhhhh

Charybdis with it

That's the name

[crude dragon]

Oh nice, you made it to the midboss there

[stuck minnow]

Literally one hit away and then her !*&$!$# tentacle hit me in the face

[nova oar]

Is charybdis woman?

[crude dragon]

(This isn't me being disparaging, Thessaly has some asinine enemies)

[nova oar]

All my homies hate thessaly

[stuck minnow]

Yes Charybdis is referred to as female by Odysseus first

[nova oar]

at leat the boss is easy

[stuck minnow]

Eris is not

I hate Eris

[nova oar]

Once you learn her she's the easiest boss to do hitless imo

[stuck minnow]

That is MY rifle in your hands, it does NOT belong to you!

[crude dragon]

She's not terribly difficult once you learn to stick behind her, but she will strip off 50+ HP if you mess up your positioning

[nova oar]

Just stand behind her/the pillars and she can't touch you

[stuck minnow]

Actually, speaking of the infernal arms
I haven't pinned down who has what exactly
Nemesis has Stygius
Eris has Exagryph
Athena has Aegis (seemingly)

Dunno where the rest went tho

[nova oar]

Only ones missing are the bow and the fists

[stuck minnow]

Where's Varatha?

[crude dragon]

There's a theory that Talos has Malphon

And Varatha's also MIA

[nova oar]

Welllllll

Technically not

[crude dragon]

||Zag gives you Gigaros, which is Hades's second spear||

[nova oar]

You'll find out eventually

[nova oar]

....
I'm stupid lmfao

[calm flicker]

Artemis is fun, but I don't know what the fecund to do with increased attack channel speed.

[stuck minnow]

Gigaros is NOT Varatha

They are different weapons bruh

[nova oar]

oattack build

[nova oar]

My bad it's been a while since I did the ending

[crude dragon]

It's there to make the parry a tiny bit less awkward

[calm flicker]

It's not like the Sister Blades' isn't already extremely fast.

[stuck minnow]

Yeah I kinda spoiled myself to the ending lmao
But the rest of this is still new to me, broadly
Tons of Dialogue I haven't seen

Hephaestus is my favorite lmao

[nova oar]

Sister blades oattack is glacial in comparison

[crude dragon]

Unfortunately, this is immediately counteracted by the fact that you can't channel an OAttack until you do a basic attack first

[calm flicker]

Agreed. I like how he attacks Melinoe out of tradition than genuine anger (even if he seemed annoyed).

[stuck minnow]

He probably is mildly annoyed that he was passed over, but not enough to attack outright on his own

He does it because it's expected more than anything, it seems

Oh, actually...

Started thinking, I see Hephaestus nearly every run

But Hestia has been almost entirely MIA since my first few runs

[nova oar]

Dudes armour boons are goated

[stuck minnow]

She shows up occasionally in isolated rooms, but Hephaestus and Apollo almost always seem to have priority

[torn wind]

Heph is pretty underrated overrall. But yeah I see heph way more often just randomly pop up in region 2 or 3 than at the beginning

[nova oar]

Just unlucky, no olympian has more priority except hermes

[torn wind]

Least it feels that way

Though that's 99% chance just placebo

[stuck minnow]

Do I need to start wearing the coal to make her show up?

Since I never see her?

[naive moth]

so i just ||rolled credits for the first time|| — what does ||seek chronos both above and below|| mean? anything special i need to do? or just do more runs?

[torn wind]

|| complete a run on both||

Also this isn't a spoiler-free channel

That would be #h2-for-new-players

[crude dragon]

You still need to tag the ending and post-ending spoilers here

[torn wind]

okayyyy

[calm flicker]

Uncanny Fortitude & Trusty Shield my beloved.

[stuck minnow]

I like Zorephet because it makes me feel like I'm playing Vendetta
On that Overwatch grindset

[sterile prism]

ngl, if they had vendetta's kit in hades it would be fun but they dont

[stuck minnow]

ARRIVA LA PUNIZIONE!
Ω Special - 600

It's especially fun when you manage to make two hits overlap and double-dip on damage
Just watch even the toughest regular enemies evaporate

[sterile prism]

this is a good example to show that the weapons in this game can be much much better

[stuck minnow]

nah Zorephet is perfect shut up

[sterile prism]

shush

its ok

I honestly want more weapons

[stuck minnow]

The third hit of Zorephet's combo is literally HAMMER DOWN

[sterile prism]

weapons that have movement abilities

its not that strong tho, its not equivalent of an ult

[nova oar]

Is this because you don't thing the aspects are strong enough or because you don't like them

[sterile prism]

hmm, I do like the aspects but I want one that has a proper movement ability

[nova oar]

Why?

Movement would be too strong

[sterile prism]

because it would be fun

its balance able

the skull already partially has a dash built in and its not that strong

not talking about medea

[stuck minnow]

Hell Splitter + Aspect of Thanatos + Rapid Slash?

[nova oar]

Hell splitter isn't great

[sterile prism]

which one was aspect of thanatos again

[nova oar]

Scythe axe

[sterile prism]

ah

[stuck minnow]

Counterpoint: I ain't gonna sugarcoat it
600

[nova oar]

How? Mel would just be broken with even more abilities

[nova oar]

That isn't alot of damage

[sterile prism]

no, on the sigma attacks

[stuck minnow]

omega

Σ is sigma

[sterile prism]

long press lmb and rmb, I cant fcking remember what theyre called

[stuck minnow]

Ω

[sterile prism]

but yes

[nova oar]

Omegas yeah

[sterile prism]

omega attacks

[stuck minnow]

Omega

[nova oar]

More movement is gonna be broken unless you make it unusable

[stuck minnow]

Melinoë learned PK Starstorm Ω!

[sterile prism]

I mean it was fine when hades had a shield which used to dash

[stuck minnow]

"Watch your language"
Hecate:

[nova oar]

Shield dash works the same as skull special

Does damage but short(ish) range, and long charge up

[stuck minnow]

Do cast builds work?

I know in Hades I they worked

Boy, did they work :3

[craggy totem]

I mean, there is an entire aspect built around casts

And it's considered one of the strongest/safest aspects

[stuck minnow]

Your Omega Special fires 2 times in succession, but costs +15 Magick.

This feels like it's strong

[craggy totem]

Actually I lied, sorry

[nova oar]

Very much so

[craggy totem]

There are two entire aspects built around casts

And both of them are considered very safe and strong

[nova oar]

For aspect of charon? yes

[stuck minnow]

I don't have that

I had my eye on Thanatos because speed

I am speed

But I don't have any aspects yet anyway lmao

[craggy totem]

Ahh, well, something to look forward to 🫡

[stuck minnow]

Descura and Zorephet are my go-tos

Probably because they're most similar to Varatha and Stygius so far

[nova oar]

Staff is the strongest weapon (outside of momus)

[craggy totem]

Coat is the funnest weapon (outside of Sh---)

(I kid, Shiva is also fun)

[stuck minnow]

I actually made some builds with Malphon that absolutely tore Hades apart
But despite how similar in function Lim and Oros are, I don't really like them all that much

[nova oar]

Yeah they're the weakest weapon

[stuck minnow]

Backstabs are useless against Scylla, who I have issues fighting to begin with
And I almost died using them against Polyphemus

And after fighting Cerberus, I can safely say that staying too close is a genuinely terrible idea

[bitter stirrup]

Staying too close in front of him is a terrible idea

Staying close to his ass is a great idea

[stuck minnow]

I still prefer Zorephet anyhow

Because hehe big number

Scotsmans Skullcutter type beat

Chronos when I hit him with the 1600!

Crits are funny too

[craggy totem]

If you are too far away from Cerb, that's actually super dangerous

He might snipe you from across the room with his firebreath, and it's harder to dodge from range

[stuck minnow]

Wait can Lunar Eclipse crit?
I mean Pressure Points makes all damage crit, right?
That also means Hexes

Oh

[calm flicker]

Should Unrivaled Eris be reworked, I would like to see her switch between all 4 aspects for her various movies:
Zagreus for shotgun configuration.
Hestia for sniper rifle configuration.
Eris for bombard configuration.
And... Lucifer for lasers.

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah that would've been much cooler though I mean she does kinda use the Hestia empowered shot in her normal fight

[stuck minnow]

In theory

With proper upgrades from the path of stars

and access to crits...

Lunar Eclipse could one-shot some bosses

But that's just on paper, in practice that would require literally godlike luck (pun intended)

[sterile prism]

bro they timed me out cause I said a 4 lettered s word twice

O_O

[stuck minnow]

Because you need the path of stars to begin with, specifically for the multi-moon drop thing
then you need to land multiple crits in a row

[sterile prism]

why is it not allowed T_T

[stuck minnow]

Pressure points is the easiest way to do that, but also the most unlikely

[nova oar]

No swearing

[stuck minnow]

Me when Hecate and Melinoë cuss Chronos out (it was just the wind)

[nova oar]

Explain the maths on this one

[sterile prism]

yeah the does a lot of damage but not that much damage

[nova oar]

The only one shot damage build you can really pull off is on shiva

[jolly hound]

I just won 50 off the strength of Hestia moon bomb and hitch, you’re right it can be super good

[nova oar]

Even then all bosses have phases

[stuck minnow]

With enough power, Lunar Eclipse can do nearly 2000 damage
Hell it can probably reach that high
Crits do triple damage
Then you can make Lunar Eclipse hit multiple times

Hecate only has 5,800

One crit from a Lunar Eclipse that strong would one-tap her if not for the phase transition

[sterile prism]

how are you getting lunar eclipse to do that much damage(Im not aware it had that much damage) before hecate

[nova oar]

That's really not alot of damage in relation to most boss healthpools

[nova oar]

That too

[stuck minnow]

This is in theory

[nova oar]

It's pointless speculation

[stuck minnow]

Never said this was practical

It's fun speculation, shut up

Big number go brrr

[sterile prism]

hmm, tbf, I doubt they're one shottable even if its possible, bosses get shields in the middle of the fights stopping them from taking damage

[nova oar]

Lunary Ray doesn't give big numbers it's just continuous damage

Even then the damage isn't crazy high

[sterile prism]

I honestly kinda prefer the leap one, not for damage but its an iframe

[stuck minnow]

Yes I did say that
The phase transition prevent actual one shotting

[sterile prism]

I dont exactly understand the one shot condition then

[stuck minnow]

It does more damage than she has health, what do you want from me?

[nova oar]

There are soooo many things that could could hecate in one 'use'

Heph, total eclipse, wolf howl, shiva, ares crits

[sterile prism]

shivas not fun to play

[stuck minnow]

TOTAL ECLIPSE

I WAS SAYIN THE WRONG NAME

[calm flicker]

Eris switching between aspects would've been a nice way to add variance between fights just like Hacate & Scylla do.

[nova oar]

[stuck minnow]

I was mixing up Lunar Ray and Total Eclipse fuuuuu

[nova oar]

It's my favourite aspect to play

It only gets unfun after 55f

[stuck minnow]

I was talking about Total Eclipse this entire time
Granted the fact tht I said Eclipse and not Ray shouldve made that clear,,,

[sterile prism]

I dislike playing shiva cause my favourite way to play the coat is to get the zooming ability with dash explosion

There's so many boons you dont remember which is which

I assumed ray

[nova oar]

Wdym you don't have all 100+ boons and hexes memorised

[sterile prism]

bro, I pause the fight during prometheus fight to write down his fire attacks from the top

ok, I cant stop saying the s word

[nova oar]

It was sarcasm

[sterile prism]

my memory is extremely s word

[stuck minnow]

Lunar Ray is nice because it can be spammed a little easier

Total Eclipse however is a nuclear bomb

[nova oar]

Both are kinda mid