h2-discussion

[night kettle]

so that's all that matters

no

[crude dragon]

If only there were other people who also agree that Medea's just really good

[broken glen]

Medea hater are you the person who never unlocked keepsake switching as of two days ago or am I confused

[night kettle]

yes

[broken glen]

You have no authority here

[night kettle]

that's me, i havent done story yet

[cunning laurel]

sounds abt right

[still mantle]

Surface is harder than underworld 🥀

[night kettle]

Who

[still mantle]

YOU

[night kettle]

ASKED

[crude dragon]

The underworld doesn't have Olympus mobs

[still mantle]

Yes, YOU ASKED

[crude dragon]

The surface has them in 2 regions

[broken glen]

You haven’t played enough to unlock basic game mechanics

[night kettle]

no

[timid vigil]

you don't need to finish the story to get keepsake switching but anyway

[still mantle]

Tis' what that spells

[night kettle]

like i dunno if yall played contest of champions

there's a champion, called quake

[broken glen]

What are you on about

[night kettle]

on her base, she's trash. like really trash

but people found a way to play her

[still mantle]

Bro just typing shi

[crude dragon]

Medea's good even out of the box, though?

[night kettle]

and it made her so broken, they never added more rarities for her

[timid vigil]

Uhh without leveling I would say its not as good as mel skull

[night kettle]

that goes for medea

[cunning laurel]

does it

[still mantle]

Without leveling mel skull doesn't HAVE a gimmick 😭

[broken glen]

You’re talking about a different game now. Medea is really, really good, but difficult to use. You clearly haven’t played the game for longer than 5 minutes 🥀 and what do you mean “I haven’t played the story” there’s only 1 mode meaning that you’ve just been LOSING

[timid vigil]

Right, but both at lv1 mel skull is better just because of the range

Medea surpasses mel skull with levels

[broken glen]

You have a skill issue and are in denial

[timid vigil]

Not saying its bad at low lvl tho, Medea is good either way

[night kettle]

neat, let's say for 1 minute, intro havent done yet

medea's trash

[broken glen]

Bait used to be believable

[night kettle]

i dunno, i never tried to be believable

that's my opinion, and i'm staying on it

i'm sure more people agree with me

[broken glen]

You say that when the entire world is against you

[cunning laurel]

you'll be hard pressed to find one person i reckon

[night kettle]

tho they wont admit, they dont care enough

[broken glen]

You’re a clown

[night kettle]

what a small world we living in huh

[night kettle]

eh dont wanna bother

[night kettle]

i love clowns

[still mantle]

It is OBJECTIVELY a strong aspect

Some thing objective means you can prove it with facts

[timid vigil]

unfortunately there's probably a lot of people who pick Medea, try to load all skulls at once and say "it's too slow garbage aspect"

[still mantle]

+90% unconditional attack and special damage is a FACT

[night kettle]

look, i dont find it strong. i played with aspect, it felt trash, never touched it again

[night kettle]

ik the combo

[timid vigil]

Being fair a lot of aspects in this game only look good once you understand the basic functionality of them

[timid vigil]

I know

[night kettle]

m1 m2, tho the fact i have to keep dodging to get a hit feels slow.

[broken glen]

Medea is really hard to use. It’s ok that you’re bad at it.

[night kettle]

like i can play with less stressful weapons, which are even better

[night kettle]

i said before, not a aspect for everyone, if u can use it cool, good aspect for ya. i cant use it and i call it trash

[barren vapor]

Converted medea fan here, which weapons? I legitimately cannot think of one.

[night kettle]

moros and charon and staff and black coat

i had better times with these

[barren vapor]

Other ones are more fun, sure, but medea not nearly as stressful as charon

[still mantle]

Give this man a cookie

[night kettle]

i usually keep my distance with charon

like the first time here, i was having a hard time with weapons, people suggested me a bunch.

[barren vapor]

Charon needs too much setup for me, you have to either do the dash combo (I can't) or run back and forth which slows pacing for me

[night kettle]

i tried em, they were great

EXCEPT, for medea

[night kettle]

oh u just use your special

[barren vapor]

Hard to do safely without distance or faster speed (usually from chaos)

[night kettle]

eh not for me

abit annoying for bosses tho

[barren vapor]

I will say that Medea is not my favorite, but it cant be worse than like, Anubis for me (I admit it is good, it's just too passive for my taste)

[jolly hound]

get grape juice from Dionysus and that’ll win you the run by itself with Anubis

[timid vigil]

do you mean dashing while holding special?

[crude dragon]

Well, remember to spam out specials while the field is active

[barren vapor]

Yep. Its a little awkward if you speed up the omega

[night kettle]

never tried that one

[timid vigil]

fair, took me a while to get used to it on pad whithout changing the bindings

[barren vapor]

I am a chronic spear special underuser 😄

[night kettle]

and i'm a medea hater, nice to meet u

[barren vapor]

How do yall feel about Nergal?

[night kettle]

what's that

[barren vapor]

Hidden axe

[night kettle]

nop

[timid vigil]

its okay

[crude dragon]

Funny, but desperately needs Nightmare

[tribal wharf]

Omega attack on axe is something I often have trouble with
Often try to dash when releasing it and just cancel it instead

[still mantle]

DAMMIT I HATE RIVALS ERIS

[night kettle]

trying medea again, and everytime, i hate it more lol

[tribal wharf]

I mean what weapons do you like usually

[night kettle]

i usually use moros, staff or charon

[tribal wharf]

So weapons with range

[night kettle]

yup

[tribal wharf]

I think I didn’t like Medea the first one or two times I tried it and then it just clicked

[night kettle]

forth time using it, and everytime i hate it more

[tribal wharf]

I’m dragged to where my mouse is pointing as I click left/right/left/right/left/right, kinda fun

Normal dashes in between, I’m zooming

[night kettle]

that's actually my problem, i run into enemies orbs, or i just miss them sometimes when clicking rapidly

so i have to keep dodging

i get faster clears with the weapons i mentioned, cuz i just mow em down

[tribal wharf]

I honestly feel a bit slow on Staff
It’s a strong weapon but I miss too often with its special

[night kettle]

not me atall

i had to kill myself rn,i couldnt keep going with medea. it's annoying as hell

[barren vapor]

Are you on gameplay or mouse?

[still mantle]

Gameplay😭

[night kettle]

mouse

[barren vapor]

That explains it. There's a sliding motion you can do on gamepad that makes more sense.

[night kettle]

yeah they just saw a guy doing with kbm and said everyone should. like it sucks big time with mouse

it's doable, but not enjoyable

[barren vapor]

Much funner on gp.

[craggy totem]

I mean, I'm on kbm and my main issue with Medea isn't the ergonomics, it's just that I can't think fast enough to be efficient with it :P

[night kettle]

i'm fast enough, but it's mouse. it follows the curser

hm i wonder

imma get a mod for medea for sure

to change it to another weapon

[craggy totem]

?

[night kettle]

if i can find one

[night kettle]

i dont like using it, so why not changing it

[craggy totem]

Just.... don't use it then lmao

[night kettle]

good boons for dagger?

[barren vapor]

Persephone and regs is enough for skull

[barren vapor]

I like cardio gain

[night kettle]

what's that

[barren vapor]

Hestia gain magic on hit

[night kettle]

ah

speaking generally i mean

never asked for a build for the dagger

[barren vapor]

Yes correct

[night kettle]

zeus for special and hera for attack?

[brave gate]

It’s kind of weird that Hades’ boons don’t have elements while Athena, Dionysus, and Artemis’ do.

And Hades could be the god to have both water and fire elements. That’s the only element combination no god has.

And it would make sense too. Fire is a given cause of the Underworld, Asphodel, his insignia, etc. Water works cause of blood and the River Styx

[night kettle]

boons for daggers?

[craggy totem]

Hades technically doesn't give you boons but rather blessings

[brave gate]

I just popped in here

[night kettle]

ik, what boons u suggest

[brave gate]

True but not reason they can’t make them boons now. Would also make it work for Extended Family.

[brave gate]

What blades aspect?

[night kettle]

the backstab one

[brave gate]

Pretty much any attack works. The percentage ones work cause of the extra damage from the backstabs and the on-hit effect ones work due to the fast attack speed.

Zeus is probably the best on special

[calm flicker]

Oh! moves can apply Damocles Swords twice if their duration is long enough, most namely the Moonstone Axe's Attack!
Well, it helped I have Coffin Nail (Hephaestus' duo; increased Damocles Sword speed & DMG).

[brave gate]

Trick Knives is by far the best hammer

[brave gate]

What do you mean?

[night kettle]

apollo for attack?

[brave gate]

Sure that works

If you get the Sweeping Ambush hammer, Apollo legendary can be fun

[calm flicker]

Provided the move's duration is long enough, it can apply 2 Damocles swords twice on the same target.

[brave gate]

You don’t need a lot of magic for the blades so I like Glamour Gain

[brave gate]

Do you mean Ares?

[calm flicker]

Well, the falling sword-thing is a Damocles Sword. You've not heard of the tale?

[brave gate]

No

But I don’t think it has to do with duration. It just triggers whenever an enemy is hit by an omega move and the axe omega attack hits multiple times

[calm flicker]

"Duration" referring to the animation of the move.

[brave gate]

I know. But I don’t think that has anything to do with it

It’s based on damage instances

[calm flicker]

Yes.

Like I said, it helped I have Coffin Nail.

[barren vapor]

Its been a minute since last I did Damocles, but I like it with supay

[brave gate]

Is anyone working on a new wiki or working on updating the current one?

[cunning laurel]

hes saying if the omega lasts long enough it can apply a second sword after the first one drops

[brave gate]

Ah

[tribal wharf]

I’m curious, was Ares’ stuff at any point stronger before the official release?

[brave gate]

Honestly, blades falling instantly should be the default. Then, make the extra damage from Coffin Nail more

That’d be a good Area buff

[brave gate]

I’m not sure since I stopped playing Early Access right before he was added.

However, you could go in the #hades2-patch-notes channel and search Ares

[calm flicker]

Wouldn't that be a bit too similar to Wounds?

I guess that's the point.

[brave gate]

Nah cause wounds has a cool down, is a curse, and Blades have different properties

[calm flicker]

At any rate, I'd wish Wounds was considered only Olympian DMG so that Supergiant doesn't have to balance the fact that it interacts with "+x% Attack/Special DMG" buffs.

[brave gate]

If not make the fall instantly by default, at least make it considerably faster

Visceral Impact could be replaced by a boon that improves the falling blades

[calm flicker]

I'd wish Ares' Rush could damage the same target more than once per Dash.

[brave gate]

Cause no one actually cares about Visceral impact. You’d only get it for Heinous Affront

[brave gate]

Well can’t all 3 blades hit the same enemy?

I’ve barely used it so idk

[calm flicker]

They've been hard coded not to.

[brave gate]

Wtf 😭

That’s so stupid

[broken glen]

ares is just too powerful the devs had to hold him back

[calm flicker]

Not even a 50% DMG penalty of Ares' Rush damaging the same enemy or something like that. Outright denied.

Of course, it's not like we players want to equip DMG-oriented Rush boons to begin with, instead opting for the ones that actually apply Curses.

The actual worst Rush boon I'd say is Hestia's.

[barren vapor]

Except when supay imo

[calm flicker]

Yeah, but Supay actually encourages the player to equip them. It's obviously an exception.

[broken glen]

it'd be better if there were more burning surfaces (currently the only time you might get value out of that is like nightmare asphodel and rivals cerberus)

[brave gate]

The majority of time you don’t even need a rush boon for for originations. Thats why Blinding Rush is by far the best since it also makes you super fast. And Poseidon is the best for damage

[brave gate]

In Early Access I think it deleted projectiles lol

Here I found a site with the old boons

https://game8.co/games/Hades-2/archives/453611

[calm flicker]

At the same time, I'd rather have my Origination hinge on a Rush boon (likely allowing me to equip a DMG-oriented Ring boon such as Zeus') than Origination hinge on a Ring boon, which I equip, say, Poseidon's Rush as a consolation prize.

[brave gate]

Hestia was basically a completely different god. I already remembered the scorch changes but completely forgot most of the other stuff

[glass cloud]

hades 2

[brave gate]

I think Demeter and Aphrodite cast are better than a damage boon in most cases just because of the utility

And they also do good damage

I just looked at Ares’ original Gain boon and it was so ass 💀

[calm flicker]

What was it?

[broken glen]

I think it was like born gain but instead of priming magic you primed HP

interesting concept, but... bad for obvious reasons

[still mantle]

It just reduced your overall hp by 20%

In exchange for restoring magick really fast

[broken glen]

that was hestia's

hearth gain

[brave gate]

Cooldown on common Volcanic Flourish used to be 20 seconds 🥴

Yeah Hestia was god awful but had an OP rush boon

[crude dragon]

Born Gain but you primed 15 HP per refill

Realistically, its problem was that it didn't play nice with Antler

IMO, it was really neat but didn't have much synergy with his kit

[brave gate]

I think it could’ve been kind of neat if his gain were a passive mana regen that got faster the more health you’re missing. Or maybe based on the HP value itself

But I like Grisly Gain

[crude dragon]

So kinda like Demeter regen but good?

[broken glen]

regen magick when you kill an enemy maybe?

[brave gate]

Too similar to current Hestia’s imo

[brave gate]

Okay I don’t like Demeter gain BUT I will admit it isn’t always terrible

Better than Ionic Gain

[naive pier]

Does Toula cancel out Athena's keepsake?

[fathom lake]

Everything does

[naive pier]

darn.

[fathom lake]

I do like Ionic Gain just because its full magick

[brave gate]

Join the Toula Lame Train

[naive pier]

Which pet is 2nd place in terms of Kudos grinding behind Toula?

[brave gate]

Maybe Hecuba idk

But I always have kudos since I choose the bloodthirst weapon most nights

And get gems

[naive pier]

In all of my prophecy and nightmare grinding I've been slacking on going after bloodthirst, so I'm more behind than I should be on Kudos.🫠
i want resources but the nightmare target for the bloodthirst weapon of the night is not in the same route as the resources I need and this has happened SO often.

Presumably I just need to do 7 underworld runs and 3 overworld runs at this point. (Need 3 wool, and 7 cinder/tears, according to my tracking)

[marble aspen]

hey guys, can someone tell me how much time a trip to asphodel cost me so I can deduct it from my time (to have an estimate of my speedrun)

[jolly hound]

I think like 20-30 seconds maybe a bit less, if you’re speedrunning just leave the circle and forfeit the reward

[craggy totem]

I've seen folks say like ~12s if you forfeit the reward. I haven't timed it out myself.

[marble aspen]

ohhh ok so just start the thingy and stay outside of it?

[jolly hound]

Yep

If it’s a good reward bummer but usually it’s crap

[marble aspen]

awesome tip, thank you!

[brave gate]

And I’m pretty sure this is actually faster than a regular encounter chamber

[craggy totem]

I'm told that it depends on the particular encounter you would have had instead, sometimes it's faster and sometimes slower

[marble aspen]

depends, but yes in some situations its faster or about as fast

[brave gate]

Yeah

[jolly hound]

Chronos will mock you but who cares

[brave gate]

On average it’s probably faster though

[marble aspen]

he is mocking me inflationary, it has no weight anymore

[brave gate]

Last time I got an Asphodel, the circle stayed still in the top corner for about 60% of the charge 💀

Wait I just unlocked a memory. Remember the thing in Early access where Chronos would give you a reward if you beat some enemies without taking damage? Basically got replaced by the trial things

Also the fishing mini game that the fishing pier cutscenes used to have

[craggy totem]

Eh what do you mean used to have? Pier cutscenes still use the minigame

[brave gate]

It was a different mini game

[craggy totem]

Ah, gotcha

[brave gate]

You had to time button presses when a fished crossed a circle

Let me see if I can find a vid

https://youtu.be/2fBi5qsac14?si=u66S3c6GZ0M0CPy8
Just skip to the actual fishing part

[craggy totem]

Heh, so I see that the unchanged bit is how Mel is the only one actually fishing even though they're Twin Lures

[brave gate]

One pole two lures I guess. The didn’t have the budget for a second pole 😔

[craggy totem]

Seems like that could be.............
a polarizing decision

[open nimbus]

You can definitely have multiple hooks on a fishing line, im just mad you only got 1 fish out of it

[verbal pollen]

how come some people pronounce Melinoe, Mel-eh-noi and some Mel-in-o-e?

[craggy totem]

Like who?

[verbal pollen]

all of them. it seems random

[rough lintel]

anubis + poisedon is insane

[calm flicker]

Boy, I really shot myself in the foot by equipping Zeus/Hephaestus' Strike/Flourish on Nergal under the pretense Origination, Furies, etc. will do all the heavy lifting in % buffs.

[slim pike]

Your own personal and portable water park

[rough lintel]

zeus on nergal is game winning

spam omega attack and u win

[crude dragon]

Nah, it'll work out

Citrust the process

[broken creek]

Just get arc flash

[calm flicker]

Oh yeah. Guess I was alright when I picked Zeus' Keepsake every time I played Nergal. The past runs I failed with it, I blamed it on my own complacency.

[storm glen]

zeus 😴

[flat dome]

actually does this game runs on dx11 now or still dx12?

because i saw the minimum requirements that the gpu it needed only supports dx11 iirc

[nova oar]

What are you playing on that doesn't support it?

[flat dome]

i have amd radeon hd 6650

1gb vram

only supports dx11

min req says it all but i see everyone having issues they cant run it because of the dx12 popup

idk if u can run it until now

[nova oar]

You should be fine

[craggy totem]

"I wonder why I'm doing damage so slowly," I say to myself as I head out on a new 32F setup experiment, shortly before I try Artificing a minor reward and fail, because I had deactivated all of my arcana on purpose earlier to test something on Skelly.

🤦

Secret max Void 37F

[red fox]

The new setup in question: no arcana setup

[flat dome]

aight lemme try

[sterile prism]

what do you build blitz on

[red fox]

Anything

[sterile prism]

I mean if you have that rocket weapon, it'd be better to build scortch instead of blitz right

[red fox]

As long as you can apply consistently and another button to trigger it consistently

[sterile prism]

hmm

[craggy totem]

Blitz is "herd u liek damage so Zeus put some damage in your damage so you can damage while you damage"

"Anything" wasn't a facetious answer

[red fox]

The only thing it doesn't work with is probably another blitz

[craggy totem]

Lol, true, it needs an actual other damage source

[sterile prism]

Ive been using it with the triad thingy, I got a hammer upgrade which increases the size of the second attack and it went quite well with that

first lmb for applying blitz and second for triggering it

[calm flicker]

Shadow Extract seems like it could've been an excellent mid-late game currency when it costs Ash.

Ash seems to lose its value really quickly after unlocking all the Arcana. A few Incantations after that & that's it.

[nova oar]

I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Zeus. I try to play Scorch. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Poseidon. My Blitz deals more damage. I try to play Blast. My Blitz deals more damage. I want to play Demeter. Her best team has Zeus. I want to play Ares, Hera. They both want Zeus.

He grabs me by the throat. I Pom for him. I reroll for him. I give him the Cloud Bangle. He isn't satisfied. I pick Extended Family. "I don't need this much Damage %" He tells me. "Give me more Poms." He grabs Echo and forces her to Pom Pom Pom. "You just need to pop Blitz more. I can deal more damage with King's Ransom."

I can't pick King's Ransom, I have no Hera core Boon. He grabs my Fate Dice. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his lightning. He says "It's over, young lady." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but high flat damage curse application. What a cruel world.

[sterile prism]

lol

[calm flicker]

[calm flicker]

Hitch & Blitz are the largely considered the best Curses, but it helps if a weapon's regular/ Attack/Special barely/hardly have use cases, namely Morrigan's Special.

[sterile prism]

Hmmm

[merry echo]

I finally figured how to use the daggers well

Aspect of artemis + omega attack damage

Does like 600 damage

[calm flicker]

Artemis is very cool, but what that the fecund am I supposed to do with increased Attack channel speed?

[red fox]

It is very fast

[calm flicker]

But how does it help Parry when can be indefinitely held & enters a cooldown on use?

[red fox]

Ignore parry

If it happens it happens

[calm flicker]

So Artemis is intended to be a blink build...?

[merry echo]

It's not really a parry just a shield idk why they called it that

[calm flicker]

Hope to gods it fishes out Sweeping Ambush?

[red fox]

Or you can always treat as different flavour of trick knife abuse

[merry echo]

So daggers is a D tier weapon?

It's not that bad really

[red fox]

No weapon is bad

It just worse than other

Dagger is more hammer reliant than other weapon

[calm flicker]

Barring Morrigan, none of its aspects particularly shine.

Make no mistake; all of them are heaters with enough skill.

[calm flicker]

Funny how Xinth has a move that acts more as a parry than Artemis.

[sterile prism]

the thing that does damage after hitting one lmb, rmb and one charged attack is kinda insane, that dagger is probably the best weapon

[calm flicker]

It'd probably help if Artemis' Parry expired after channeling it for too long just like Xinth's Attack.

Instead, it has an awkwardly long cooldown.

[nova oar]

Morrigan is the strongest blade aspect, otherwise blades are the weakest

Skull and staff are the strongest weapons

[hasty ocean]

My favorite Blood Triad combo: Winner's Circle O Cast, attack, special

Winner's Circle the GOAT

[nova oar]

It'd be so slow

Winners circle is pretty bad outside it's niche

[jolly hound]

Winners circle with Poseidon cast goes hard tho

[nova oar]

Or apollo

That's about it

[calm flicker]

Yeah...
Winner's Circle used to be a favorite of mine until I realized how risky it was. At least Demeter's Ring accelerates with Winner's Circle, but it dissonates with Aphrodite, Zeus, & Hestia's Ring along with Furies Arcana, Super Nova (increase Cast radius over time), Charon, Pan, & likely more.

[nova oar]

Demeter doesn't accelerate it

Heph is funny tho cause multiple clangs

[craggy totem]

Somebody did the math and they reckoned that if you're perfect with your cast uptime, Winner's Circle apparently increases Smoulder Ring's scorch output

[nova oar]

[craggy totem]

On account of it applying scorch the instant you cast in addition to at further 1s intervals

[nova oar]

Yeah ok checks out

[frail crypt]

saw some chud playing h2 in spanish class omg....

he died to cerberus 💔

[broken glen]

Regular or rivals

[frail crypt]

regular

[craggy totem]

Was he at least playing the game in Spanish

[broken glen]

Start backseat-gaming him in Spanish

[frail crypt]

I havent seen any rivals past boss 2

[craggy totem]

If not, 0 respect for this bozo

[frail crypt]

does scylla just add charybdis or is there more

[broken glen]

I mean she gets a new costume and the stage layout is different (and way more punishing)

[frail crypt]

oh boy!!!!!

[craggy totem]

The OG bandmembers also get slightly upgraded movesets

[frail crypt]

oh how I miss you extreme measures hydra ❤️‍🩹

completely free heat

[broken glen]

It’s a nightmare of a fight

[craggy totem]

I always thought speedrunners taking EM Lernie on purpose was funny

[craggy totem]

The song is fire though

[broken glen]

Yeah it’s always been funny to me that EM hydra is a TIME SAVE

[frail crypt]

goth scylla 😛

Im like drowning in homework rn so I havent fought her yet

[broken glen]

You’re… drowning?

[frail crypt]

WAIT NO 😭NOO

[craggy totem]

TBF H2 still has "Vow of Shadows is a time save" for that one specific miniboss, though that's less drastic

[frail crypt]

hows cerbie rivals

dont even wanna think about prometheus

[craggy totem]

Rivals Cerb has a learning curve

[frail crypt]

reg cerbie did too!!!! I died to him like 5 times then never again

[craggy totem]

Rivals Prometheus is more straightforward/sightreadable, but ofc still more punishing and dangerous than the normal fight

[frail crypt]

nothing is as bad as rivals poly right

[broken glen]

Rivals poly is the easiest out of them

Wait no there’s Eris

[nova oar]

Pretty easy

[torpid sky]

Rivals Eris has always been the easiest

[craggy totem]

Many players consider Rivals Polyphemus easy, although many of the people saying this are also like. High Fear players.

[nova oar]

Eris is easier than normal eris

[broken glen]

A lot of people consider rivals eris easier

[torpid sky]

She's literally easier than - yeah

[nova oar]

Nuh uh

[frail crypt]

rivals poly just pisses me off

[craggy totem]

No same

[nova oar]

You gotta not tilt into his attacks

[torpid sky]

Rivals Polyphemus is the worst part of Rivals Eris

[frail crypt]

wha

[broken glen]

At least it isn’t Styx poison

[frail crypt]

is it not the exact same?

[craggy totem]

Cos you can't fight Rivals 2 without also Rivals 1

[frail crypt]

oh true :/

rivals hecate is really fun it just takes too long imo

[craggy totem]

If you could pick and choose like that I would straight up fight Rivals Prom and choose to skip the previous two lmao

[nova oar]

Rivals poly feels the exact same as normal poly except you have to stand in a specific spot and he takes 20 seconds to kill instead of 15

[frail crypt]

poison traps me into his grab every time

and it heals him so :(

[nova oar]

Are you playing with frenzy?

[frail crypt]

no im just dumb :p

[nova oar]

Just don't stand in front of him, or as soon as he lifts his arms, dash

[torpid sky]

Simply never ever turn max frenzy off and you get used to it

[nova oar]

Amen

[frail crypt]

I usually use hordes and menace

[nova oar]

Why would you use hordes😭

[craggy totem]

Hordes is generally considered one of the most dramatic force multipliers amongst the vows

[torpid sky]

Wards and Hubris are free fear

[nova oar]

You shouldn't turn it on below 50f

[frail crypt]

hello????

[torpid sky]

Hordes is fine imo

[frail crypt]

hordes is fine ive been fine.. :p

[craggy totem]

The thing about a multiplier is that if you multiply 1 x 3, you get 3, that's not very dramatic. But if you multiply 10 x 3, that's 30, that starts getting real dramatic.

[nova oar]

Wards aren't but you can easily get 40 free fear

[frail crypt]

some tartarus rooms are miserable yeah

[torpid sky]

Wards are free (on all the cool weapons)

[frail crypt]

I play axe, im good 😭

[torpid sky]

Hey at least it isn't Skull

Or non-Anubis Staff

[frail crypt]

if i could curse in this server it would be yelling at skull

[craggy totem]

??? what is this staff slander

[torpid sky]

Hel was like the only thing that redeemed Skull for me personally I think

[frail crypt]

is the skull hidden aspect any different?

[torpid sky]

Yeah it's actually kinda neat

[craggy totem]

All of the hidden aspects are quite different from their base weapon

[torpid sky]

Shiva:

[craggy totem]

Shiva is very different from normal coats lmao

[sterile prism]

the axe is the most fun hidden aspect

[craggy totem]

I was gonna say Nergal maybe was the best candidate for "not so different"

[frail crypt]

why we lying 😭

[torpid sky]

Just turns your special into a bouncy ball (massive props to the guy who suggested that in feedback during EA)

[sterile prism]

nergal has the multi hit lmb, its different enough

[torpid sky]

Morrigan:

[frail crypt]

so anubis right guys....

[sterile prism]

which one is morrigan again

[craggy totem]

Blades

[sterile prism]

anubis is afk aspect

[torpid sky]

Morrigan is the best thing in the game

[sterile prism]

ah yea, morrigan is probably the strongest

[torpid sky]

I was a Mel Blades user right up until Morrigan dropped. I love it to death

[sterile prism]

it just wins in damage

[torpid sky]

To be very clear though, I do not use Blood Triad

[sterile prism]

I dont even think you need a boon with it

[broken glen]

The blood triad effect just looks and sounds and feels so juicy I love it

[frail crypt]

the joy on my face when i saw Pan was Chiron 2....

[nova oar]

Shame pan is straight ass now

[torpid sky]

Pan and Artemis bore me

[sterile prism]

blood triad is crazy damage tho

why not use it

[broken glen]

And the despair in my face when they nerfed it into the ground

[frail crypt]

💔 what

[craggy totem]

You don't need Triad levels of damage most of the time tbh

[torpid sky]

If the Aspect doesn't play into my attack+dash playstyle I don't like it

[sterile prism]

can proc it twice in an instant

crazy damage vs bosses

[nova oar]

It's the worst blades aspect

[nova oar]

Trick knives:

[broken glen]

Listen if you like pan now, just know that it is a shadow of its former self and we will forever grieve its loss

[craggy totem]

And here you are saying that Shiva is the same as the nonhidden coats????????????????????????

[nova oar]

Wild

[sterile prism]

nergal does something to my monkey brain

the act of savagely smashing a hammer into the ground is fullfilling

[torpid sky]

Well no but I'm saying the moves changed the least out of all the hidden aspects

[broken glen]

Same situation with momus (although it was more so power creep that killed it)

[torpid sky]

Rip Momus it was funny

[frail crypt]

what was momus like huh?

[nova oar]

Actually good

[broken glen]

The turrets used to be way faster right

[craggy totem]

Omega attack turned into a charge, dash attack got cut down, bouncy ball special, where got this is less change than Nergal lah

[torpid sky]

Ahhhh okay but the basic attack is the exact same right

[sterile prism]

ngl, I kinda hate that blades has a targetted long press lmb

why cant it just go forward without having a target

[torpid sky]

I just turn off Blades omega with ctrl

[broken glen]

I hate that the blades are used on the promotional art for hades 2 yet it’s not the default weapon

[craggy totem]

IDK if it's the exact same but like, y'ain't doing basic attack as your main squeeze for any of the coats

[torpid sky]

I am.

[frail crypt]

SO TRUE THIS PMO

[nova oar]

Yeah fr

[sterile prism]

I mean, mel is a witch

why would it be the default weapon

[craggy totem]

Lots of witchcrafty things involve knives

[broken glen]

Because the knives are on the title screen of the game yet in play they feel like an afterthought 💀

[sterile prism]

blood triad be like

[torpid sky]

Basic attacks and dash is basically the only thing I do ever on any weapon. That's just my playstyle and somehow it works on high fear okay

[sterile prism]

thats cool bro

I just enjoy the special moves

[nova oar]

You'll never do all aspects well but if it works it works

[torpid sky]

Yeah I hate about half the aspects in each game

[nova oar]

😭

I only hate 3

[torpid sky]

But the ones I love I really enjoy

Morrigan my beloved ❤️

[nova oar]

Mel axe, selene coat, and hel skull

[torpid sky]

Inch resting

[craggy totem]

⁨Selene⁩ is fine ⁨high Fear players⁩ are just haters

[uneven ingot]

who here loves the aspect of morros torches

[nova oar]

Who doesn't

[uneven ingot]

fr

[torpid sky]

Those are pretty neat

[uneven ingot]

yeah

[torpid sky]

Torches are a neat weapon

Even Supay

Wait, didn't they heavily change Moros torches though?

[nova oar]

Whats wrong with supay huh

[craggy totem]

It's soupy

[uneven ingot]

maybe im kinda new i started on christmas day

[nova oar]

They're still super strong

[calm flicker]

It'd probably help if Artemis' upgradeable stat had any congruency with its Parry.

[craggy totem]

It does, though? You need to be able to channel in order to prepare the parry.

It's not a Circe sitch where the big beloved gimmick is completely unaffected by the stat that levels up

[calm flicker]

When Parry is triggered, the player is Impervious for a whole 1 second--more than enough time attack fully channel even without Sorceress or lv 0 Artemis.

[torpid sky]

I don't really care how strong any individual aspect is, tbh, I care much more about how fun I personally find it

[craggy totem]

? you need to channel the omega attack as a prerequisite to be able to parry

[torpid sky]

I liked the floating ghosts

[nova oar]

What escalier said

[calm flicker]

Hm? Wait, does Attack need to be fully channelled to trigger Parry?

[nova oar]

Yes

[nova oar]

THey're still there?

[calm flicker]

Oh.

Well, I still wish Artemis' Parry could expire when active for too long similar to Xinth.

[nova oar]

Why?

[calm flicker]

Under the pretense Supergiant can make it stronger.

I'm not a fan of mechanics where the player can indefinitely guard themselves, namely Shield of Chaos.

[calm flicker]

Stronger in place of a Parry that expires.

[nova oar]

How would u balance it

[calm flicker]

You're asking what I would add to compensate for Artemis' Parry expiring after too long?

[nova oar]

yes

[calm flicker]

Make it a reactive defense instead of a proactive one, to start. Similar to Ruthless Reflex in Hades 1.

Although, I would wonder how Supergiant could add such a thing when there would inevitably be endlag after performing regular Attack before being able to begin channeling Attack.

[sterile prism]

I want the blades to get a non targetted long press lmb

[calm flicker]

-# Under the pretense Parry would still be tied to Attack.

[nova oar]

Kinda pointless

[sterile prism]

the fact that I have to target someone with long press lmb is so dumb

[nova oar]

if you could set a differentr button with oattack maybe

[nova oar]

Why?

[sterile prism]

it slows gameplay

[nova oar]

It's a teleport you gotta be able to target it

[nova oar]

It's not hades 1, the gameply is slower, or just charge in range

[sterile prism]

it makes it feel less like a assassin weapon

makes it clunkier

[nova oar]

It's not an assassin weapon?

[calm flicker]

I understood Attack to be a mobility tool & set up Melinoe's Backstab DMG. If one wants up-close DMG, there's point-blank Special.

[nova oar]

Either way it's not a great weapon

The oattack is one of the few things going for it

[sterile prism]

it would be better if it wasnt targetted

[nova oar]

How would you land it then

It can teleport a varying distance in any direction

[sterile prism]

wat, you just aim it in the general direction, its like a dash attack

[calm flicker]

Would you replace for Attack's blink property's stead?

[nova oar]

It's not, it's a teleport

[sterile prism]

I dont if you guys have played kassadin from league

It would work similar to that

[nova oar]

Doesn't do anything to enemies it passes through

[sterile prism]

this would be a better description

[calm flicker]

I haven't.

[nova oar]

Not touching that game with a 10ft pole

[sterile prism]

basically you dash to cursor location, and deal damage

at location

[sterile prism]

you dont have to, there's some abilities there that would be awesome here

[calm flicker]

Heh. Another reason why Supergiant should've added a directional aim to the thumbstick.

[nova oar]

There is zero point in comparing two completely different games

[nova oar]

Also not really needed

[sterile prism]

we arent comparing games, Im talking about modifications to one ability to make it fit the kit better

[nova oar]

It fits the kit fine

[sterile prism]

its clunky

[calm flicker]

You want to make the Sister Blades' kit better? How about an Special that deals greater DPS than dash-attack -> special?

[sterile prism]

its like driving a lambourgini with 3 wheels

[nova oar]

Hades 2 is meant to be a slower game

[sterile prism]

sure, but the thing is, blades wants to be an assassin item, the problem I see is with it is they've only commited to it half way. It feels more like a casters assassin item

which is clunky and unsatisfying

in terms of gameplay perspective

[nova oar]

Blades are not an 'assassin item'

[sterile prism]

it absolutely is

[nova oar]

No?

[sterile prism]

yes

[nova oar]

I'm not arguing with a league player

[sterile prism]

fair enough

point still stands, blades would be a 100 times more fun if they just let me teleport to cursor location

[red fox]

When the game is all about going in front door to beat up boss, there is no any assassins like thing in game

[sterile prism]

no, not that kind of assassin

[calm flicker]

I mean, Melinoe is part of the Unseen. You'd think she would exercise some ounce of subtlety in her approach.

[sterile prism]

more like, uh, fast attacks and dashes kind of assassin?

idk if there's a pop culture equivalent

its more of a moba thing

Maybe hades III will have one

[calm flicker]

Isn't that was the Sister Blades are already? I'm losing the point of why Attack should teleport to cursor instead of auto-aim to enemy, especially when this game is supposed to be accessible for gamepad users.

[sterile prism]

speed and feels smoother

[red fox]

Blade is surprisingly not fast

Its attack string last forever

[calm flicker]

Attack 3 is nice for Hestia.

But yeah. Attack 4 is pointlessly drawn out for some sort of "high power attack".

[sterile prism]

tbf, I think what really annoys me not have a fast dash attack i guess. Im taking it out on blade

[calm flicker]

It's not like there are Daedalus Hammers that interact with Attack 4 like the Moonstone Axe & Attack 3.

[sterile prism]

cause it comes the closest

[calm flicker]

Heh. Wait 'till you see Shiva's dash-attack. It's abyssmal.

[sterile prism]

Ive seen it yea, its horrible

[calm flicker]

Long start-up lag. It hits 1 instead of 3 times, so it loses Scorch value.

[nova oar]

Shiva high fear meta is just learning the dash cancel

[sterile prism]

the one aspect that was kind cool in terms of its dash attack is that skull aspect which keeps the skull with you

that feel like a more assassiny weapon

but it still takes a long time to charge up all three skulls/four for middling damage

I forgot how many skulls

[calm flicker]

The Argent Skill has a base clip size of 4. You're referring to Medea.

[sterile prism]

yea

[calm flicker]

How funny. Medea is widely considered the most powerful aspect & weapon in the whole game.

[sterile prism]

wait actually?

why

[red fox]

Medea optimal playstyle is just atttack special loop, no need load all attack

[calm flicker]

It'll help to not load up all 4 shells when it means the player can enter a loop of attack -> attack -> special, cycling between 2 shells at a time whilst dashing to to fro on a single enemy.

[red fox]

One shell at a time

[sterile prism]

hmm

[red fox]

No need do more than that

[nova oar]

Medea is the strongest aspect yeah

[sterile prism]

even compared to triad?

traid has to be the strongest no?

[calm flicker]

However fun & powerful Morrigan is, there isn't much competition when Medea has +75% non- Attack & Special DMG.

[sterile prism]

hmm

I guess I'll it again

[red fox]

Medea say 90%, 90% is big number

[sterile prism]

Ive been going all lmb + rmb hep build on it to maximize one hit damage

[red fox]

Triad is strong but it take quite a long time to activate

[nova oar]

Heph builds are typically not great unless you highroll it

[calm flicker]

There's also Possessed Array (collecting spent shells performs a pseudo- Attack, costing 25 Magick), which adds on top of Medea's ingloriously high DPS

[nova oar]

Medea parray heinous affront build my beloved

The day I get that is the day I finally get a sub 5 run

[sterile prism]

do you need a hammer for this?

[calm flicker]

What's Heinous Affront?

[nova oar]

The only trio boon

Zeus and ares duo with lite smite

[sterile prism]

like pom it you mean?

[calm flicker]

Possessed Array is a Daedalus upgrade.

[nova oar]

Poms and rarity yeah

Outside of heph rarity doesn't really matter

It's why excellence and card aren't great options

[sterile prism]

the best I could take hep was like 2 sec cd

[nova oar]

Lowest it goes is 1.65 with seismic servo (duo with pos)

[sterile prism]

hmm, honestly, I doubt Ill get that lucky again

I got hep at 8 sec cd for my first boon to make it work

[calm flicker]

Without Poseidon/Hephaestus' duo boon, Anvil Strikes can only be reduced to 2s.

[nova oar]

Heph really needs jpom for consistency, that way if you roll epic it starts at 4s

[sterile prism]

whats jpom

[nova oar]

Post credits keepsake

[sterile prism]

Im at the mirror scene where he asks me to do something on the surface

[nova oar]

You need to defeat tyhpon 5 times now iirc

[sterile prism]

hmm, better get to it I guess

[calm flicker]

Not in a row

[nova oar]

In a row

Hitless

[red fox]

In a column

[nova oar]

Diagonally

[calm flicker]

The player must obtain Gigaros before being able to kill Tyhpon the 5th time.

[nova oar]

Into the 4th dimension

[crisp comet]

Is Hermes a must pick when he shows in h2? He seems worse than in h1 but maybe I'm just missing his full potential and miss hyper sprint

[red fox]

Not a must,but he is pretty good

[nova oar]

Depends on the other door

[crisp comet]

I guess like, in general. I always pick a god if it's for my build, I pick hammer first. Sometimes I pick hearts if my HP is low

What are the best ones I always go for increase dodge refresh if it drops

[nova oar]

Nitro boost and success rate are the two big ones

Stutter step is ok

Increased speed on moves doesn't really do much

Mean streak is solid

[crude dragon]

Hasty Retreat is also quite nice

[nova oar]

That too

[red fox]

Quick buck is gold room+

[calm flicker]

Always good to get Travel Deal & Quick Vuck region 1.

I really like Travel Deal's design philosophy.

[nova oar]

Also two very good boons

[crude dragon]

Travel Deal's great if you can keep the money flowing

[red fox]

Winner circle is funny

[nova oar]

Chrolex:

[calm flicker]

I only wish Wells of Charon had more permanent upgrade stuff.

[merry whale]

archaic seal gaming

[nova oar]

They're much more weighted for early game

[crisp comet]

I don't think I've ever taken mean streak

What about quick buck early

[red fox]

Money is money

Money is good

There is definitely enough times where quick buck is best option on screen

[crisp comet]

Money good

Especially when I get a lucky DD replenish because I die too much

[rough lintel]

aphro not too bad

with rarity

[nova oar]

Worst olympian, and %damage scales the worst with rarity and poms

[crisp comet]

I miss aphro applying weak on hit

So op

I didn't realize % damage scaled bad

Seems like status effects > % in general I h2

[merry whale]

% boons are actually pretty solid in this game, they just play differently for each % rather than h1 where every % boon was basically the same

u get more value by putting % boons on weapons with higher base power, like axe attack or mel aspect staff special

[red fox]

Aphro attack is a joke sadly

Aphro special tho

Big number

[crisp comet]

Why is the special better

[merry whale]

ye aphro special goes to like 200%/250%/300% with jpom

meanwhile aphro atk scales way less, around like 130% on epic with jpom (lv4)

[crisp comet]

Oh her special scales higher

I see I see

[merry whale]

ye

[crisp comet]

That's weird

[merry whale]

generally special boons just scale better than attack boons, it's mostly standardized to be that way

like scorch atk used to be higher than spec before they got adjusted to match the standard

it's prob cuz they want weapons to play like atk first spec second so they make spec higher to compensate

this is notable on mel aspect staff where if you have a % boon on your special and blitz on attack, you can just attack/special cycle to insta-activate blitz

[crisp comet]

Makes sense

Are there any builds where you just spam special

[merry whale]

if you have hidden helix on torches you can throw aphro special on it and just spam special

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1418888677022629929/clip_1758359330617.mp4

ah they still haven't given us embed perms back in this channel

#h2-victory-boasting message

[craggy totem]

Eos often spams special anyway since the daybreaker is doing its own thing, no?

There are also coat special spam builds, although I daresay it'd be odd to literally only special and no attack, and of course, Charon is actually just omega special most of the time

[crude dragon]

Hidden staff

Charon axe

[merry whale]

special only coat is prob nyx specific

[merry whale]

ye eos is prob the strongest for special oriented building

[sterile prism]

yeah I dont like skull

[hallow vault]

So Hades 2 on Steam according to sites sold 3.22 Million

Units only on Steam but i cant find anything about Switch and Switch 2

[nova oar]

No suprises there

[frosty sonnet]

Well I'm embarrassed and annoyed at myself lmao

[hallow vault]

Yeah i can guess it sold probably like 2-4 mil on Switch

[frosty sonnet]

I sunk so many mats into 20+ shadows

Thinking it was a rare upgrade material for late game so why not?

I'm so dumb lmfao

[hallow vault]

Since its listed on Nintendos Switch stuff and was in the top 10 Charts for like 5-6 weeks

[frosty sonnet]

I could have progressed in this game so much quicker 😝

But I had fun regardless at the pace I finished it so maybe it was a good thing

[nova oar]

😭

[frosty sonnet]

At least 15 charon tickets wasted

[nova oar]

Rule 2 of this game is only make what u need at the time

[frosty sonnet]

I kept using them on fabrics every time in the midgame

Yeah here I am post credits making that realization

[nova oar]

I mean you end up with hundreds of everything if you play enough so doesn't really matter

[frosty sonnet]

😂😂 I gaslit myself that I saw a spoiler that weapons could be upgraded past V with shadows only

[nova oar]

[frosty sonnet]

Rest assured I often do very dumb things but even this I didn't even expect from myself

[nova oar]

Could be worse

[frosty sonnet]

Very true. I think not progressing in an efficient manner really just let me enjoy the game ignorantly instead of my usual min/max self

And supergiant tends to make games that don't punish that

[nova oar]

Yeah there's nothing you can miss, and no finite resources

[golden chasm]

What vows are the worst?
Been slamming my face into the brick wall of 24 fear surface 😔

[red fox]

Void

[golden chasm]

Isnt void just -1 boon per area? -4 boons total that's not the worst is it?

[rugged flax]

WHY is it so weirdly hard to find cool art and fanworks of the game? :'<
I am genuinely going insane, it feels as though the fandom peaked when the early access version of the game came out.. (I desperately need post-game Hecate content)

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwyLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDAsOF0=

[nova oar]

Try the subreddit, tons of stuff there

[nova oar]

That's forfeit

Void is no arcana

[golden chasm]

Ooo

[golden chasm]

😨

[nova oar]

Whats ur arcana setup?

[abstract aspen]

what is best aspect for blade ?

[torn wind]

Morrigan

Just a pretty easy to use delete button for most enemies and the weapon is still pretty good on its own without the blood triad

[abstract aspen]

that's the only blade that's not lvl.V

[torn wind]

Second best is Melinoe

Pan and Artemis are competing hard with Shiva and Hel down in the bottom tier aspects

[nova oar]

Hey I like shiva (you're not wrong)

[abstract aspen]

morigan lvl.II feels good

[torn wind]

Artemis is basically just a worse melinoe that has the benefit of blocking a hit every now and then

[torn wind]

More than double the damage from blood triad at max level

Max is 777

[rough lintel]

blade has the best and worst weapon in the game

[abstract aspen]

I'll use that then

[rough lintel]

so funny

[nova oar]

Morrigan isn't the best tho

Medea is

[rough lintel]

best blades in the game frfr

[torn wind]

Morrigan is at least in the top 10 easily

[rough lintel]

top 2

medea and morrigan top 2

[torn wind]

Circe would like a word

[rough lintel]

circe 3

[nova oar]

Circe staff, mel staff, moros, eos, mel skull, nyx coat

[torn wind]

Then Morrigan

[rough lintel]

nah

morigan 2nd fr fr

everything else is meta

[torn wind]

Meta because they’re better

I do really like Morrigan

It’s fun, but I’d be very hesitant to put it in top 5

[abstract aspen]

what's the best aracana set for doing duoboons and legendary ?

[torn wind]

You guys bother running those arcana?

[rough lintel]

fate whim

[torn wind]

I mean I still have the epic one just cause of having a row in my arcana

[abstract aspen]

delete origination or boatman to include excellence ?

[nova oar]

Never bother with them unless you're prophecy hunting

[abstract aspen]

I'm prophecy hunting

gotta hunt them all

[nova oar]

If you are use thishttps://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzExIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE5IiwiYzIwIiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzIzIiwiYzI0Il0=

[torn wind]

Yeah if you’re looking for specific stuff then definitely bother using those

Normal run I don’t run the legendary or duo arcanas

It’s screwed me once or twice maybe but 🤷‍♂️ with jeweled Pom you can make anything work

[abstract aspen]

this one false, fates divinity and queen don't activate

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTgiLCJjMTkiLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[torn wind]

Yeah fates needs boatman

[nova oar]

This should do it

Oh oops yeah ok

[torn wind]

Still no boatman lol

[nova oar]

I don't think you can have both without dropping orig

[torn wind]

Can drop artificer and persistence if you gotta

[abstract aspen]

origination is really a big thing ? doesn't feel like it

[red fox]

50% is big number

[torn wind]

50% damage bonus is huge

[abstract aspen]

don't know when it's active so

[torn wind]

Since the best builds often have two curses already

[red fox]

Although you can do whatever at 0 fear

Just put on 0 fear

[torn wind]

When that yellow and black square appears on the right side of the health bar on an enemy

When they have two curses on them

[abstract aspen]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMiIsImMzIiwiYzciLCJjOCIsImMxMyIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMxOCIsImMxOSIsImMyMCIsImMyMSIsImMyMiIsImMyMyIsImMyNCJd
what do you feel about this one ?

[torn wind]

It functions

[abstract aspen]

I'll run it through olympus to see

[torn wind]

Hooray strength run

[abstract aspen]

I feel more safe with strenght

It feels like I do less damage without origination

[nova oar]

Uh yeah that's how it works

[torn wind]

I mean if you don’t have two curses then nothing has changed

But yeah, 50% is pretty significant

[calm flicker]

I remember one run I finally equipped the boons to trigger Origination by the time I was in Mount Olympus. It was quite the ramp up in DMG.

[torn wind]

Yeah really is a night and day difference

[abstract aspen]

I feel handicaped
is that what they call drug depression ? am I drugged to origination ?

[calm flicker]

It's widely considered the best Arcana along with Death vs Strength.

[abstract aspen]

I died cause no damage I'll trade boatman for origination

[calm flicker]

Oh. Thought you were going for Fates Arcana?

[abstract aspen]

I'll just gamble on my luck

origination > fate = gamble

but

money > origination

first market can't buy anything

[nova oar]

Origination still better

[abstract aspen]

yes that time cyclop more easy

[torn wind]

I’d happily take a 50% damage buff over being able to buy likely useless stuff at the first shop. A single boon isn’t gonna kill me if I can’t afford that

I often just pass up the god at the shop anyways since it often doesn’t fit in my build

“Oh boy, Aphrodite. skip”

[icy halo]

Origination is like starting with better-than-a-boon, rather than just buying one at the first shop

[torn wind]

Yeah the only god that can’t contribute to it right away is Hephaestus

Ares if you don’t go for wounds but chances are you’re not gonna go wounds

But if you got no other options wounds isn’t the worst thing you could take

[calm flicker]

Isn't the whole point of Boatman is to get a head start in boons & stat upgrades?

[torn wind]

Yeah but like it’s equivalent to 2 boons on normal gold values

But with debt? Good luck. Single boon that’s it

[calm flicker]

I didn't touch Vow of Debt in my 32 Fear Underworld run.

[torn wind]

Origination is easily one of the strongest buffs in the entire game regardless of the gold though

[nova oar]

Debt is free with chrolex

[calm flicker]

Boatman is considered a strong Arcana.

[torn wind]

Yeah. So the extra boon at first shop isn’t even worth it

If you go Chrolex you just skip the boon at first Charon

If you can’t afford it

[calm flicker]

I would say Boatman allows the first couple of shops to be easy early-run loot.

At any rate, Origination is obviously superior.

[torn wind]

I’d honestly rather have some extra buffs from some of the low number arcana than boatman but that’s just me

It’s entirely preference and that’s fine

Same as is going for boatman

[calm flicker]

Once I finally reached a point where I could comfortably equip Artificer, I unequipped Boatman.

[torn wind]

Artificer is goated

[calm flicker]

It's a gimme for endgame players.

I'm playing a new save file & I'm desperate for more Nectar & stuff. I can't equip Artificer at the moment.

Guess that means my Strength build will have to equip Fates to trigger Divinity.

[torn wind]

Faster you win the faster you can get back to camp and buy nectar with 30 bones

But yeah I get it

[calm flicker]

At least I learned I could get a crap ton of Nectar with The Fates Arcana.

Still not enough, however.

[torn wind]

Yeah can guarantee reroll a door for nectar when you get bones and ashes doors

[abstract aspen]

I died again having no money is huge because no hearth

[old veldt]

is ||calling card|| or ||timepiece|| generally better?

[tranquil wren]

the latter

[nova oar]

Timepiece, I never bother with card

[copper vector]

I GOT A NEW LAPTOP AND CAN FINALLY PLAY THE GAME AT 20+ FPS,AKA A SMOOTH 120FPS ON BEST SETTINGS BABYYYY......too bad I 100% the game on sub 20 FPS,but hey that's why you can make new saves

[open nimbus]

wow that is a huge improvement

[merry echo]

💀

Oh congrats

I thought u said u can finally play the game on 20fps

20 to 120 is a big jump so congrats

[pulsar rose]

does || the artificer || remove ||fates whim||?

im thinking it probably does but just wanted to make sure

[trim flume]

It doesn't

[pulsar rose]

ooh okay ty

[trim crescent]

So guys h1 or H2? 🐐

[buoyant matrix]

story h1, gameplay h2

[trim crescent]

Wow true
H1 ending>>>

[merry echo]

Theseus had top notch voice acting in the first game

Hold, fiend! You'll walk not one more step toward the light of day, so long as I am here

[slim pike]

I tried playing H1 last night for a few runs

wow Mel really ends runs with so many more boons than Zag does

[turbid loom]

Ok yall (spoilers for up until the credits ig): ||how do i get to the true ending in the epilogue? There is one right? I would just keep playing but if it involves gifting certain people I should start doing that||

[slim pike]

yes

[turbid loom]

||I hear in hades 1 u gotta gift everyone a bunch of times to max out relationships, is it like this in 2?||

[slim pike]

basically

[turbid loom]

K

[merry echo]

U beat it right?

[slim pike]

oh yeah, I turned the heat down so I could get my muscle memory back

[merry echo]

I got the true ending but still didnt get the epilogue

For 2

[craggy totem]

I believe Julia was asking about ||maxing out relationships||, not about the epilogue

[merry echo]

Dont u need to max out relationships with every olympian to get the epilogue like in hades 1

[naive pier]

The only 2 weapons I have the aspects for are Skull and Axe, been like this for a while.

Wonder how I get the others. Don't tell me, I'll find out eventually.
Everybody besides the Olympians and Selene are almost completely maxed out on Nectar and are in salt/lure/ambrosia territory.🤔

[nova oar]

You saying that makes me want to tell you

[cursive nacelle]

getting legendaries and duos are also so much rarer in hades 1

[naive pier]

🤔

[slim pike]

Even though their requirements are much more loose

[cursive nacelle]

i believe the odds are just way lower

[slim pike]

you just get fewer boons

Slightly more shops I guess

[craggy totem]

The game will tell you exactly what you need to do to get the epilogue.

[crude dragon]

Well, you probably found the pattern with those first two

[nova oar]

I find myself getting more in h2

[naive pier]

The axe was from ||Charon||.
The skull was from ||Medea||.
🤔
Instead of giving me specific names or areas, tell me like
"Crossroads" if the character is primarily found in the crossroads, "Boon" if the character can only be contacted by the boon itself, "Olympus" if the character is specifically found on the path to Olympus, "Underworld" if the character is found on the path to the underworld, and "Misc." for characters like Artemis and Charon who can show up whenever and wherever.

[merry echo]

Oh ok

[crude dragon]

Well, there's an even simpler pattern than that, based on what you already know

[naive pier]

okay well that hint was too good then🫠

You have solved my stupidity

[craggy totem]

Would you like to know the less obvious thing

[crude dragon]

Just keep in mind for the Coat unlock phrase, ||your Hex needs to be gotten as a room reward and not from the shop||

[naive pier]

wait do you need to have their aspects equipped

[crude dragon]

Nope

Don't even need their weapon

And good luck with the staff unlock

[naive pier]

okay damn how have I not gotten.
All of them by now I'm on my 90 somethingth run

[crude dragon]

There's a secondary requirement, and dialogue RNG be dialogue RNG

[naive pier]

And i specifically, very specifically, did like 20 runs with Moon Beam equipped going into runs lmao

[craggy totem]

This is why I was like "would you like to know the less obvious thing"

[naive pier]

okay spoil me.

[craggy totem]

You need to have ||all non-hidden aspects unlocked and one non-Melinoe aspect maxed|| for that weapon

[naive pier]

thats dumb.

[craggy totem]

I think the first part is pretty reasonable tbh

[naive pier]

Thank you.

[craggy totem]

The second part is the part that trips people up ime

[naive pier]

Well I do have all the non-Melinoe aspects unlocked
I just maxed out Selene's aspect last night, started a run, and turned off the gane for the night so I have that ready too.

Thanks.🫠

I really liked the Aspect of Medea Skull but I love Adamant Rail Hades 1 more, and the one thing I didn't like about Adamant Rail was I never got used to the special.
So Adamant Rail with a more fun special imo maybe the most fun weapon to me, add onto that the Daedalus effect where your shots bounce to more foes and all the Zeus aspects and

[craggy totem]

Shimmering Rockets?

/hasn't done a full backread or anything, working off context

[nova oar]

I think they mean hel skull

[craggy totem]

Oop! My bad my bad

Y'know what, I'm glad Hel got some fans on her side 😆

[nova oar]

God knows I don't hate it enough

[charred thorn]

what is the best load out for tarot cards or wtv they're called

[craggy totem]

Arcana loadouts depend on circumstance

[charred thorn]

Arcana cards yes

[craggy totem]

(that's why the game offers you -- eventually, if you haven't got them yet -- the ability to create presets for yourself)

[charred thorn]

wtf why don't I have this

I have them all unlocked and they still cant give me presets?

[craggy totem]

Probably haven't played long enough. Have you at least maxed your grasp (30) and also maxed the arcana upgrades?

[charred thorn]

all the upgrades? No

U mean the insights right?

I am on max grasp rn

[craggy totem]

Yes. I will confess I don't remember the exact prereqs, but that seems like a reasonable candidate

[charred thorn]

oh well that sucks well when do I know what to use or not

I mean I run the ones that look fine enough but idk if it's "optimal"

[craggy totem]

Have you reached the ending (rolled credits) yet?

[charred thorn]

I haven't beat em yet no

[craggy totem]

I'm assuming probably not but just to be sure

[charred thorn]

I mean I got to him like 4 times I think my builds are just not good enough

I struggle a lot throughout the game but I would say I'm decent at the game atp

[craggy totem]

Okay. Gotcha. Then in that case the thing I would note is that when people are discussing arcana loadouts, there is a consideration of grasp cost vs what they give you

[charred thorn]

Alright makes sense

[craggy totem]

So for instance, one of the cards that gets pooh-pooh'd a lot is Unseen. The effect is fine, other than the fact that it doesn't work while you're channeling, but people are negative about it because of the high grasp cost. You can use it if you like, and it won't be an issue, but people will consider that suboptimal.

[nova oar]

In general, for fates whim or rerolls

[craggy totem]

They haven't finished the game yet (that's why I asked)

[nova oar]

😒

Gotcha

[charred thorn]

yah okay that makes sense

[craggy totem]

Other than that, I would say the main thing to keep in mind is to read the descriptions and keyword definitions carefully.

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzExIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE2IiwiYzE3IiwiYzIxIiwiYzIyIiwiYzIzIiwiYzI0Il0=

[craggy totem]

For example, one thing that gets a lot of people is that "Attack" or "Special" in the singular means only your normal attack/special, whereas "Attacks" or "Specials" in the plural mean both normal and omega versions

So, read all the descriptions carefully and decide whether they apply to your weapon/build/run type

[nova oar]

In general that's the best arcana set, but will differ for some aspects, and after you unlock some post ending content

[nova oar]

Have they beaten chronos yet?

[craggy totem]

If you're never planning to use omega moves, Sorceress might be kinda meh. If you're speedrunning, you might not want to slap on Eternity. On Charon, which is mostly using omega specials, the Huntress card (which only applies to normal Attack and Special) is less valuable.

And so on and so forth. So, careful reading and consideration.

[charred thorn]

makes sense I just don't think Im good enough to make sense of that

[charred thorn]

no I have reached him multiple times but it feels like my damage output is horrendous

[craggy totem]

It's perfectly fine to experiment around a bit fwiw! And also, when you max some of your arcana cards, that will help.

For instance, the global damage boost from Origination is really good.

[charred thorn]

im missing stuff yah

[charred thorn]

I only use Charon and pan

[charred thorn]

This is the load out I'm using atm but no strength just death defiance

[craggy totem]

Strength can help with damage output fwiw

The rank-up just increases its defensive property (the damage-taken reduction) rather than the offensive bonus, but that might help you feel more comfortable running it instead of Death

(Genuinely the DR is something you can feel while playing)

[nova oar]

Ah ok so you've barely scratched the surface

[nova oar]

Yeah that's fine if u want

[charred thorn]

[nova oar]

But strength is better yes

[charred thorn]

so if I'm using Charon I don't run huntress?

[nova oar]

Nope

[charred thorn]

I mean I would say I'm good enough to not need it but yk it's just safer overall for me if I make a mistake against any boss

[nova oar]

Fair enough

It'll happen alot until you get through your first few runs

[charred thorn]

if I'm not using huntress which card do I use with this load out

[nova oar]

Ideally you'd take off huntress and wayward son to put on lovers or artificer

Otherwise you could take off huntress, put on messenger, and just have 1 grasp you can't use

[charred thorn]

okok noted

Is queen good or

Like is duo boons in general something O should care about

[nova oar]

Not really

[craggy totem]

You can get them even without Queen anyway

[crude dragon]

It's a nice bonus, but not worth breaking your back over

[craggy totem]

If you're fishing for duos, it's more important to know the build prereqs that are necessary to unlock each duo

[nova oar]

Duo boons are good, but arcana like excellence and queen aren't good to aim for as they're very expensive for what they provide

But if queen activates automatically on a setup then all the better

[charred thorn]

I mean it is automatic rn yaj

[nova oar]

Yeah so np

[craggy totem]

Yeah, if you're running with the bottom left corner active, it's fairly easy to activate it

[nova oar]

What weapon and keepsakes are you using?

[charred thorn]

Rn I only use Charon pan and sometimes momus
For keepsakes my go to always is Aphrodite or zeus

[nova oar]

Oh boy

Ok zeus is good

[charred thorn]

I thought Aphrodite was good

[nova oar]

Pan and momus are considered the worst aspects of their weapons, so you may struggle more

[charred thorn]

oof