h2-discussion

[craggy totem]

What do y'all do if Chronos stands right on an hourglass btw? I panic about it because I don't want to be stuck in a timebubble

(when I don't have strong ranged options ofc)

[cunning laurel]

theres no rush to kill it

although ive not seen that happen, they usually die very fast

[craggy totem]

Ah, yeah, I guess I'm coming from a place of feeling time pressure

The dying fast is the problem! If they die fast then they make the time bubble 😆

[brave gate]

Thank you. Yeah it’s just so gross. There’s the hour glasses, Chronos’ scythe attacks, the golden clock hands, and the big ring that’s closing in all at once

[cunning laurel]

start takin antler

[broken creek]

My biggest tip is get used to scripting him, first half is a joke with enough damage and the hourglasses are ignorable clutter with enough damage, safety takes the top priority abd keep your eye on gramps at all times

[brave gate]

On non-rivals Chronos, the hourglasses are such a non-issue that you don’t even need to lull them most of the time

[broken creek]

After he summons them iirc hes forced into dash -> scythe -> slam?? Or if its not forced its that or the swipe -> dash -> swipe

So you can kinda script that part if youre efficient enough

[brave gate]

Gotcha

[broken creek]

Also the red hands that rotate all around spawn on an internal timer, so faster you go the less of a hassle(antler my beloved)

[craggy totem]

Yeah, I'm not worried about them on non-rivals, personally, more so about not being able to melee gramps while he's standing on one

[broken creek]

Consider it like rivals scylla, the faster you make space the cleaner the fight, clear a group of hourglasses to make space then dont be afraid to take extra time if patterns get messy

[brave gate]

Yeah. For rivals, I have no trouble with Phase 1 and the first half of Phase 2. For Phase 3, I can beat it if I have a good amount of health left. Only issue is the second half of Phase 2 where I either take a bunch of damage or die

[broken creek]

Iirc also when he does the rotating balls, assuming he stands still in the center theres a big blindspot at the very edges that miss the balls and the after blasts from the big scythe swipe

[brave gate]

Good to know. Thank you

[broken creek]

Or if it's not at the very edges its near that

You still have to iframe the scythe itself but the aftershock is no big deal

[brave gate]

Yeah I swear sometimes I’ll get hit by the scythe despite not being in the hurt box

[broken creek]

I have a vid of me doing the fight damageless actually, its a bit messy since I was derusting but strength + no lovers damagless is still great if you want it

Iirc gale and evadex3 bail me out a bit

Its also in like 480p so thats funny

[brave gate]

Thank you Gale

[broken creek]

https://youtu.be/82r-sPuTcNo?si=sfKddMcecxFdFH4y

[craggy totem]

"Thanks, Gale" is the realest line in the entire game

[brave gate]

Gale makes me depressed because it blatantly points out when I get hit by stupid stuff by regular enemies 😭

[broken creek]

Also points out some bs interactions icl

I love getting hit the frame before melinoe goes green

Or when im completely behind something already

[brave gate]

I noticed how you stood on the edge while killing the hourglasses rather than standing closer to the middle. I’ll have to try that

What priority does Gale have over other damage prevention methods?

Like what gets used up first

[jolly hound]

rule of thumb that I use is if I beat phase 1 before the second fanfare, I have the dps necessary to just base race him

[nova oar]

Lovers, snow queen, nitro boost

[median plinth]

using cast impervious to dodge while slowed was really cool. Does the iframe last longer when you're slowed?

[nova oar]

Gale goes last always

[brave gate]

Second fanfare?

[broken creek]

A bit yeah iirc to balance chronos being mean asf

Its why I can never stress enough how big messenger is when you start using it purposefully anywhere, iirc its basically a 2nd dash for frames

[jolly hound]

you know when the fight starts there’s that “it’s on” music? That

[brave gate]

Guess I’ve never payed attention to the music changing

[jolly hound]

find the song and 10 seconds in, it’s that. Phasing him before the first fanfare ends is a good sign you got this

I listen to that fight song before going to the gym cause my brain has that registered as “it’s on” and that works way better than it should in theory

[brave gate]

Lmao

[broken creek]

Also if you wanna start being cool and awesome and iframing the 3rd instakill on p2 my tell is when the safety circle indication leaves and you dash a smidgen after that

Let's you be a bit more aggressive to try to snag a quick phase if you didnt make him combo break

[median plinth]

the cue that I learned from boated is chronos does a little dip right before

[wispy storm]

trying to go for a max attack speed run what do I need to aim for gang

[median plinth]

I've only had the courage to try it a few times

[broken creek]

That too, he has 6 ticks then he dips a bit before the slam itself

[brave gate]

Mel Coat I guess

[timid vigil]

ares legendary, heroic nimble limbs, heph legendary on mel coat

[broken creek]

Uhh mel coat or than axe

[brave gate]

Ares plasma with his legendary. Maybe Hera + Area duo as well

[timid vigil]

or hel

[broken creek]

Than axe final chop or whatever its called is funny asf

[wispy storm]

ohhh heph legendary is a great shout thank you

[timid vigil]

uhh

droplet

[wispy storm]

for biome 4 i guess yeah

[crude dragon]

Nah, not necessary

The Hera/Ares Duo, that is

[brave gate]

I mean it can’t hurt

[wispy storm]

its good convenience yeah

[crude dragon]

It also doesn't help much

[brave gate]

Maybe the pool should be Ares, Hephaestus, Hera, and then whomever

[wispy storm]

not sure whether to go ||calling card|| start or to keepsake ares/heph

[brave gate]

I’d do non-fates whim

[wispy storm]

||calling card|| to make nimble limbs heroic

could get rerolls and do narc phial though

[brave gate]

If you’re going for a super specific build, it’s better to do non-fates whim

[crude dragon]

If you're going for a specific build, I'd go with rerolls

And I'd personally be looking for Demeter for Steady Growth

[wispy storm]

that's an idea

[brave gate]

I love getting steady growth in region 1

[timid vigil]

nonono

[nova oar]

Never take calling card start, ideally never take it at all

[brave gate]

I got it heroic in region 1 once which makes it upgrade a boon every 3 encounters 😳

[timid vigil]

the play is go surface, get all rare/epic boons except nimble limbs, then rarify with phial

[broken creek]

Don't listen to luthien take it r3 itll be funny

[nova oar]

😒

[timid vigil]

i mean bro is trying to do a meme build

[brave gate]

I still like my reword idea for calling card 🙄

[timid vigil]

and actually i tried doing something simillar

i couldnt get all the stars to align even with rerolls to get ares and heph legendary and heroic nimble limbs

i was trying with than axe

[wispy storm]

oh dang attack speed is the variable for than axe

that'd be cool to try some time

inconsequential but raki or gale

[broken creek]

Gale is movespeed so its in theme ig

But raki for crits is funny

[still mantle]

Im playing charon axe. Do I upgrade moon water or take a hammer?

I dont have giga cleaver yet

[blissful lagoon]

hammer

[broken creek]

Hammer always

[nova oar]

Hammer

[craggy totem]

Moon Water is bad

[nova oar]

Ignore hexes they suck

[craggy totem]

Some hexes are useful, but Moon Water is not one

[nova oar]

Moon water especially

[broken creek]

Axe is a very hammer reliant weapon

[blissful lagoon]

the heal one is useful sometimes

[broken creek]

Moonwater is fine if you arent high fear monsters like some of us

[nova oar]

No

[craggy totem]

I'm not a high Fear monster, I just think it's not very good

[crude dragon]

Hammer is far more of a power spike

[broken creek]

Better than most others on the list tbf

Dark side 🥀

[still mantle]

DAMMIT

[craggy totem]

Dark Side aint Most Others On The List smdh

[crude dragon]

Issue is that it's not a Scars bypass, so it falls off hard as you climb Fear

[still mantle]

ALL ATTACK MODIFICATIONS

I wish you could reroll hammers

[broken creek]

Take e.hammer r3 trust

[broken creek]

End shop can sell one

[blissful lagoon]

yeah but the guy who asked is clearly newer

[broken creek]

The remove 1 hammer give 2 random thingy

[jolly hound]

I did that by accident once and was so surprised he blasted me on the third ring attack

[craggy totem]

Even on low or no Fear, killing things faster is still better

[blissful lagoon]

shouldnt ur build do more dmg than a hex lol

[crude dragon]

Or abusing Wolf Howl for the iframes

[craggy totem]

Your hex isn't a centrepiece, it's an auxiliary that helps with killing things faster

[broken creek]

Mfw I look at selenes list and my options are moon water, lunar ray, or dark side(im taking moon water even on scars3)

[jolly hound]

Maybe, but if you have a fully loaded triple kamehameha, use it lol

[broken creek]

Or i see her as 500$

[jolly hound]

I want her to call me little star

[crude dragon]

At least Ray has the potential to be good, the other two are just wastes of space

[broken creek]

Shes like "I see smth" girl stfu im on 67f here im busy

[craggy totem]

You could use Ray for the armor iframe I guess if you get another moon drop

[broken creek]

But why get another moondrop when I could get 500$

Moonwater carries at 62+ trust

[craggy totem]

If you had to pick one of those three, I mean

[broken creek]

I had a 67 run get to cerb with it twin it has to be good

[jolly hound]

sometimes ya get one in Erebus and roll with it. Twilight curse is real useful

[crude dragon]

Because you already burned your last Chrolex charge on a Chaos room

[craggy totem]

Aint nobody out there seriously arguing Twilight Curse doesn't clutch it out

[still mantle]

Haha, yes

Epic flash fry

[broken creek]

I save my chrolex uses explicitly for that icl

[craggy totem]

It does seem like the most value

[broken creek]

Ik for a damn fact shes gonna take away my onion or smth useful in oceanus I have too much beef with her

The amount of times shes stolen a zeus boon into an onion for me chamber 3 of erebus, I will never forgive her

[craggy totem]

Wait, nvm, are you saying you save it for Selene or for Chaos

[timid vigil]

dark side is so bad its insane

i thought you could cancel it early somehow but you cant even do that

[crude dragon]

Even the Godsent only takes it to "mediocre"

[broken creek]

Both, I tend to drop 2-3 uses on magic pots/ash then save 1 or 2 for chaos/selene exclusively

[devout cairn]

Fits the aphro theme of being mediocre

[broken creek]

Or like if I see posiedon more than once

[jolly hound]

If you get onioned does that god stay in your god pool

[crude dragon]

No

[broken creek]

No

Which stinks

[jolly hound]

good to know thanks

[broken creek]

I hate how many times selene onion'd me out of chamber 3 hera, hestia, or zeus

[still mantle]

Place your bets

How long for prometheus

[crude dragon]

Death

[broken creek]

Rivals or no

[cunning laurel]

i havent played a selene start in a looong time

[timid vigil]

god bless undo night

[broken creek]

I only do it when it takes me 20 minutes to get gigaros and just wanna play

67 be damned this game is buns

[timid vigil]

yeah i play it sometimes depending on the hades boon start

[broken creek]

(Its wonderful I promise im just salty)

[timid vigil]

and some hexes are legit good

twilight curse and wolf howl

[broken creek]

Atp I see moonwater on 62+ and its an autotake for the carry

[cunning laurel]

do i want em more than an onion though

[inner arrow]

I still don’t understand the clock insta death for chronos, granted I’ve only seen it twice, I’m just not seeing the clock number I’m supposed to stand on

[crude dragon]

For what? The MP?

[jolly hound]

If I have a high mana aspect I like the hestia hellbomb it trivializes Scylla

[broken creek]

The vibes

I play circe twin you think im ever using a hex??

[craggy totem]

Red insteadeath = small circle on a clock number. Black and gold insteadeath = stand in the middle ring

[crude dragon]

"Get ready to get wet"

[craggy totem]

If you do not see a small non-red circle on a red field, it's not the clock instakill.

[cunning laurel]

how goes your 67 uw? surely you beat it during circe week

[inner arrow]

With him in the middle? @craggy totem

That’s crazy

[broken creek]

I havent touched the game since like Friday lol

[craggy totem]

I believe he's always in the middle for the black and gold instakill, but he may not be in the middle for the red instakill

[broken creek]

Saturday i had work, sunday was marty supreme and bone temple double feature, monday and Tuesday were work and today im busy with film festival stuff, work, and reading so I can get a book back to a friend

[inner arrow]

The red one I understand

It’s a tiny circle you stand in

[broken creek]

I have the next few days off tho so the grind will continue then

[inner arrow]

The black and gold I always ran away from him but I guess that’s wrong

[timid vigil]

you mean to iframe it?

[inner arrow]

???

[craggy totem]

I'm realizing that my wording may be confusing: Chronos will be in the center of the arena. You should not stand in his circle (the innermost, centremost circle). You should stand in the ring just outside that, which is in between his circle and the outermost ring.

The one that isn't blacked out.

[inner arrow]

You can iframe the insta death?

[timid vigil]

yeah

[craggy totem]

Yes, you can iframe everything

[timid vigil]

but in any case, do you mean this? https://i.imgur.com/mKZEQHt.png

[craggy totem]

If you have the right timing :)

[devout cairn]

I'm realizing after months looking at hades 2 discussions that explaining the second insta kill in words might be impossible

[inner arrow]

@timid vigil yes!

[craggy totem]

I still don't understand why they didn't make it red like the other instakill

[timid vigil]

painted red is the "safe" area

[broken creek]

We got arena wide and we got donut

[craggy totem]

My second biggest beef, after the inconsistency of the Scars exceptions, is the two Chronos instakills being different colors

[inner arrow]

So stand in the not black and gold ring

[timid vigil]

yeah

[inner arrow]

Gotcha

[cunning laurel]

just stand on the part that looks normal

[inner arrow]

Thank you

Was having a super easy run with Medea, leveling up keepsakes I don’t like just to complete the game

And boom instakill got me

[still mantle]

Welp, time for typhon (by the way prometheus took 1:33)

[inner arrow]

You did the hard part already lol

[still mantle]

Ok yeah that was free

[queen cosmos]

Are there any yappers here

[still mantle]

Hooray for glowing coal

[foggy sable]

any particular recommendations on how to win with thanatos?

ik its simple but im not certain on how exactly to use it

[broken glen]

spin to win

[cunning laurel]

its either normal or omega attack, early boons and hammers will point to one

[broken glen]

get that psychic whirlwind. Put apollo on the attack and get exceptional talent. Profit.

[zinc nacelle]

What if sg makes a game spinoff to the anime of blood of zeus

Since like

Spawn(s) of Hades

Blood of Zeus

Heh

Please laugh

[foggy sable]

what if I end up doing both lol

[inner arrow]

Artemis only appears in max health magic rooms right? In trying to unlock the hidden aspect for the blades and I can’t get her to give me the waking phrase

[jolly hound]

Then you’re probably leaving some damage on the table

Doesn’t mean you’ll lose, just means you could be winning faster

[foggy sable]

I got apollo one time and he gave me a magik boon

died to eris.. again

[wide wigeon]

alright I beat him again, do I meet him in ephyra to have a talk about giving ambrosia

[jolly hound]

yep

it may not happen as fast as you want but it will happen promise

[wide wigeon]

last time before this i saw him buy a boon from Sharon I thought he hated getting help

[crude dragon]

Also in gold and Path of Stars (and also pom, IIRC?) rooms

And any minor reward rooms

[wide wigeon]

je go out she'll show up

[jolly hound]

lmao Sharon

[calm flicker]

Huh. I finally get around to playing with Judgement, & the first two boons are Zeus' Strike & Hephaestus' Flourish. Let's hope I can scrounge by with 12 Fear!

By the way, what happens if I roll for Boatman? I've heard rolling for Enchantress & Champions doesn't yield the player Changes of Fate.

Also, fecund hell, I haven't played without Sorceress in FOREVER.

[broken creek]

Yeah fw judgment literally cannot roll into rerolls but boatman is fine cuz its just money

[jolly hound]

You get 300 bucks

[final saddle]

It feels so nice to hit a Boatman after Cerberus/Prometheus

[wispy storm]

What does narc phial do if you have no commons?

[jolly hound]

Extra healing and that’s it

It may pop on the next zone’s fountain if you get a common in that biome

[long forum]

Just tried max rivals for the first time

Youre telling me i have to actually dodge during chronos now 😭?

[timid vigil]

You don't lose the charge

You can still rarify on next region or if you find a fountain

Happened to me on a chaos trial, I got it r2 and had no common 😭

Problem is on chaos trials your keepsake changes before you can take the fountain so I just lost the keepsake

[crude dragon]

Yep

[calm flicker]

Does Zeus' Ring & Rush stack?

I would hope it doesn't have a cooldown like Splash.

[craggy totem]

I would assume it does, since double Storm Ring on Circe is that strong

[calm flicker]

Oh, hey. Darkside synergizes with Aphrodite's Gain boon.

[broken creek]

but then you have to use dark side

[gusty tree]

I just attempted an Ares run (I died but whatever) Why did they make the god of something violent not that good at doing the violence thing?

[craggy totem]

Being a bloodthirsty lad doesn't make you good at violence

[gusty tree]

I had origination and the furies as well

[heavy shale]

[jolly hound]

Kratos made him chill out in the early 2000s

ngl I’m surprised he’s still a disappointment in the sequel

[gusty tree]

I personally thought he was one of the better gods in the original

He is the worst one here

[gusty tree]

Aphrodite’s Common and Apollo’s Rare gives a bigger percentage boost than Ares’ Heroic

And even the ones that don’t give a percentage boost is still better for overall damage output and have better utility than Wounds

[calm flicker]

I pick the bottom-most Hex every time.

[gusty tree]

Whether that is Hestia’s Scorch, Zeus’ Blitz, Hephastis’ Explosion, or Posiedon’s Splash.

[timid vigil]

As far as I know yeah he was

Doom was a really good curse

[storm glen]

nah he was bad in h1

[timid vigil]

Here it's weird, I feel like he's potential god in every way possible, wounds is interesting but his boons give a very small % boost and wounds itself doesn't interact nicely with wards, grievous blow is probably a top 10 boon, plasma is super jank but fun and all the falling blades stuff could be way better

[storm glen]

wounds is pretty solid

[broken glen]

He was weird in hades 1- there were certainly really funny builds with him (and merciful end) but the blade rifts were NOT it

[jolly hound]

Feel like it needs general grievious to be up to par with like, Apollo or Hera by themselves

[gusty tree]

Hell even the ones that give a percentage boost

Demeter gives a bigger boost, her debuff lasts longer, she has better utility and she has no cooldown on her freeze

Chaos can give a way better boost and has other stuff if you can deal with the temporary downside

Aphrodite - Biggest percentage attack boost in the game, even if you have to be upclose

Apollo - Second biggest boost in the game. Any Distance

Hera - Biggest boost with a status effect. Third biggest overall, and has better utility.

[timid vigil]

Demeter has a cooldown on her freeze.

[gusty tree]

All of these gods/godesses manage to that violence thing people talk about better than the god based on violence.

[gusty tree]

I barely notice it then

[broken glen]

yeah there's a freeze cooldown

[timid vigil]

10 whole seconds

Also you can't freeze bosses ofc

[broken glen]

(though it will slow them)

[gusty tree]

ok that was mistaken on my end

still better than wounds

[timid vigil]

I mean sure as a defensive option

[broken glen]

wounds aren't bad but there just isn't enough else to make Ares compelling

[timid vigil]

Wounds itself is really solid, the issue imo is the low% of the boon and how it interacts with wards

And again = grievous blow is broken

[jolly hound]

I’ll reset ares starts ngl

[broken glen]

sure. Take him on a high base power special or whatever. Then what? You want plasma? Falling blades? How you planning on getting past those wards? Meat grinder???

[gusty tree]

That is the one where you can do double damage and the percentage increases the less health you have right?

[timid vigil]

No that's mutual destruction

[jolly hound]

It’s the one that gives a chance for double damage to wounded target

[broken glen]

which is also good

[timid vigil]

Grievous blow is enemies with wounds can take 200% dmg when struck

[gusty tree]

Ok

[broken glen]

+200%, right? Or just 200%

[gusty tree]

I think that his 200% damage boons are good

[timid vigil]

Afaik it's 200

[jolly hound]

+200 is critical

[cunning laurel]

yes just double

[timid vigil]

Which totals to 300

[jolly hound]

yep

[timid vigil]

Weird af

[gusty tree]

It is critial hit damage output, but it is not a critical hit

[jolly hound]

Percentages are weird

[gusty tree]

So if you have critical hit chance from something

[broken glen]

I love how inconsistent tooltips are in H2. +200% or 200%? "Attacks and Specials" or Strikes?

[gusty tree]

you could potentially do nuclear damage

[timid vigil]

Also ares has the best duo boon in the game

I feel like it's really easy to buff him and make him one of the best gods in the game, so much potential

Unrelated but his portrait in this game is also peak, probably my favorite

[broken glen]

uncap plasma... (it was so funny)

[timid vigil]

I think if plasma was not something you need to collect and if it was more easy to drop it would be better

[crude dragon]

I can only see Tohru Adachi when I look at his H2 portrait

[tribal wharf]

Feel like I’ve seen this question one or two times before either here or on Reddit but what would be the easiest buffs to balance Ares

[timid vigil]

All I'm saying is make his legendary the default behavior for plasma and then make a new legendary it's simple

[crude dragon]

Reduce Wounds duration

[timid vigil]

Possibly broken

[broken glen]

add a secondary boon for falling blades to inflict wounds

[gusty tree]

It is like using a 5th level spell slot for divine smite and getting a critical hit, But combining that with sneak attack and Eldrich Smite (I am a nerd incase you can’t tell)

You won’t always get that damage

[timid vigil]

Just increase % of the core boons and make wounds work against wards somehow

[gusty tree]

but if you do

[timid vigil]

Technically it does against some random enemies on erebus

I don't know the whole deal, someone was talking about it in speedcord one day

[crude dragon]

Depends on how low, TBH

If it gets down to 1 second like Weak, yeah

I think 2 seconds would be fair, though

[jolly hound]

An extra 20-30 percent damage on attack and special

[timid vigil]

It's super jank

[broken glen]

Hexadin spotted

[timid vigil]

I feel like it's easier to just increase the %

[jolly hound]

The ares Zeus duo is kinda fun if you have lightning vengeance

And godsent Selene coat orbital barrage thing does work

[timid vigil]

It's the best duo in the game but it needs another god (Apollo) so it's technically a trio

[jolly hound]

best case yea, though Zeus vengeance is enough to justify it

[gusty tree]

Can you blame me, it is a multiclass with good Synergy

[jolly hound]

I do really like Apollo revenge thing tho

[timid vigil]

It's a really good boon

[crude dragon]

Play the super-optimal combat class so you can spend more time RPing

[jolly hound]

fight back vs Hecate while a sheep lol

[gusty tree]

I think Apollo has the best revenge boon personally

Zeus’s is good

Ares’s revenge boon is hot garbage

[crude dragon]

There's only 2 revenge boons anyways

[timid vigil]

Technically 4

[crude dragon]

Visceral impact isn't real

[broken glen]

yeah yeah go on and play your phantom rogue/gloomstalker ranger/hexblade warlock/vengeance paladin, just be sure to give them a tragic backstory with parental issues

[timid vigil]

Apollo, ares, Zeus, || hades ||

[crude dragon]

I pretend I do not see Visceral as a revenge boon

[gusty tree]

You do realize this would be basically unplayable right

[crude dragon]

If it was a blade drop, sure

[broken glen]

yes I do

[gusty tree]

Paladin and Ranger have negative synergy

[timid vigil]

Oh it would be so good

[storm glen]

i suggested this a while back

[timid vigil]

I'm saying, potential god

So easy to think of ways of making his boons better and more fun

[broken glen]

if we're counting visceral we also need to count defensive posture

[crude dragon]

Were you the other one in the feedback channel who kept asking for more revenge boons with me?

[storm glen]

naur..

[crude dragon]

I don't think Heinous triggers Posture

[jolly hound]

The duo counts it

[broken glen]

does that one poseidon boon count

[timid vigil]

High surf? Not a revenge boon

[dull tendon]

Hades 3 featuring Aspect of Schelemeus

[craggy totem]

Yeah, High Surf is more like a pre-venge boon

I love it though

[tropic ravine]

I just realised how come revaal dint have a schlemus aspect

Didn’t

[brave gate]

I wish you could change familiars between regions

[brave gate]

Cause he never wielded it

The aspects of from previous bearers or future bearers

[tropic ravine]

Oh yeahhh

Wait didn’t Moros not use his one? I think there was some dialogue

About it

[brave gate]

Yeah

He has some tongue and cheek dialogue with Melinoë about how she “spoiled” it for him lol

[solar pollen]

out of pure curiosity what’s the highest lvl anyone has gotten a boon to be? i was able to get Sword Ring at rare and lvl 9 (highest i’ve ever gotten for lvls lol)

[brave gate]

People have gotten above 80 for Zeus

I think 100 at least

It involves using Jeweled Pom, King’s ransom, and then doubling it at Echo

[solar pollen]

omg so it is possible to get really high lvls :0 hell yeah

[brave gate]

Yeah

Personally, the highest I’ve gotten (I think) was a lvl 16 heroic Zeus special. But that was without kings ransom

Maybe I’ve gotten something in the 20s idk

[wide wigeon]

js got a level 12 poseidon attack

[brave gate]

Pog

[wide wigeon]

with the ares river styx duo it gets wild especially with the coat

[craggy totem]

Arterial Spray

[wide wigeon]

the real question is do i continue playing now that i platinumed

[brave gate]

Yeah why not. If you like it

[wide wigeon]

ill try to beat gramps night 1 yeah thats a good idea

[brave gate]

Go for new fear/speed records

[craggy totem]

I platinumed and then I said I'd go as far as I could in terms of challenges that didn't make me genuinely bored-annoyed, and then I figured I'd done that so I stopped playing for a month, and then I watched someone's cool run and was like "no I want to try stuff again"

Sooo just wing it tbh

Follow yer heart

[wide wigeon]

i mean i still didnt do great chaos above thats the only one left

ig also didnt upgrade all the arms and legs

[wide wigeon]

playing with the antler on at the summit when you have 0 defiances gotta be top 3 experiences

[brave gate]

I’m trying to climb fear. My record is 34 right now

[wide wigeon]

i think mines like 30 or sum ion have the last statue

[brave gate]

Last statue requires 32 from underworld and 24 from surface

[wide wigeon]

honestly im ready for 64f or whatever

[wide wigeon]

yeah i know

[brave gate]

I’d go with 40-48 first. 60+ is where you have to add the nasty ones

[broken creek]

nah playing with judgment at 65f is funny asf

you go from actual dogass r1 to hitting orig and furies out of hecate and now you win

[wide wigeon]

why not start out with orig

[cunning laurel]

expensive

[broken creek]

cuz its 5 cost and void3 means only 6 grasp

generally the 65f takes are like uw you can do artificer, persistence, then messenger/runner, other things you can do is like strength + persistence

[wide wigeon]

orig so goated tho fr

especially if you get the auto inflict weak

[craggy totem]

Strength Persistence must be the one I saw, I remember thinking "oh huh, Strength" and it was explained to me (probably by one of yall) that it's because you have like no damage otherwise

[broken creek]

yeah the 20% global is kinda a big help, and the 40% dr means you wont get 2 shot

plus under the (almost) guarantee that you hit death anyway, using strength is fine

[brave gate]

Hey guys, I felt like making a Reddit post that provides a Vow Setup for each of the Champion of the Night fear milestones. This includes 6, 8, 12, 16, 24, and 32. Also, for each level, I'm providing both a loadout using Vow of Rivals and a loadout nor using it.

I would love for some feedback on what I've settled on before I make the post: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRwmt-qwgMB6xkHBeUVgrIUcorliqygjzW38iMr7Kf7QJ2OfuNA7NU1w0Wa9WsmD5t0bHwy_gwBdXaA/pub

Keep in mind, this is for people getting in to fear, so certain things are being eased in. For example, starting with Timer 2 instead of Timer 3

(My Reddit post will also include explanations and clarifications btw)

[red fox]

Tbf for people ain't pushing and only want to hit that champion of night target, rival 4 will not be considered for me lol

Usually like rival 3 for uw and rival 2 for sf is enough anyway

[brave gate]

Oh yeah oops. I should probably make an extra entry for 24 fear. So in total, it'll have "no rivals," "rivals 3," and "rivals 4."

But besides 24, the only other one I have rivals 4 on is 32. But I also provide a rivals 3 alternative

[red fox]

And frenzy 2 probably not for people who don't planned to push further

[brave gate]

In my opinion, learning Frenzy 2 is a lot easier than dealing with Scars, Pain, Grit, and/or Hordes.

[red fox]

So non frenzy alternative could be an option

[craggy totem]

Is it time to promo my no Rivals 32F setup again

[brave gate]

I'll check in a second lol

[craggy totem]

TBF any vow setup is dependent both on aspect and on player

Probably my 32F setup would be pain to play with... Charon or something.

[craggy totem]

I never went beyond 40F and I still think it's easier than some of the other stuff!

[brave gate]

This is how I see it. This is my regular 32 fear setup:

• Rivals 4
• Frenzy 2
• Timer 3
• Menace 2
• Shadows
• Hubris 2
• Debt 1

If you take out Rivals 4 and Frenzy, it brings you down to 22 Fear. That's a lot of other vows to add.

Even adding Fangs 2 only brings it to 27

[red fox]

Usually if they aren't pushing, 32f usually are in uw

So frenzy 1 and rival 3 should much eaiser

Fang 1 is almost free so i recommend it

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDMsMCwzLDAsMiwwLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsOF0=

This is still only 27

[red fox]

Debt 2 is not that bad with chrolex

[brave gate]

28

[red fox]

And scar 1 is basically free too

[brave gate]

29

[red fox]

Then i add some real fear because some people really hate frenzy 2

[brave gate]

Yeah but I think scars 2+, pain, grit, hordes, wards, return, forfeit, denial, and, void are all worse then frenzy 2

[red fox]

Ward 1 is weapon dependent but also kinda free too

[brave gate]

Eh

[craggy totem]

As a coat player,

[red fox]

I am axe hater so it free for me

[brave gate]

Still only 1 more point

[red fox]

And bite the bullet of not picking frenzy 2

[craggy totem]

Frenzy is good value and you don't have to take any vows that make Frenzy 2 really bad if you take it

[brave gate]

Frenzy also makes the timer easier

[red fox]

For thing like return or grit

[craggy totem]

Why tf you gotta take Grit lah

[red fox]

Give them option, non frenzy 2 is just one of the options

[craggy totem]

Even no Rivals you don't gotta take Grit at 32

[brave gate]

Using Time 3 without Frenzy 2 along with a combination of return, wards, and grit is ROUGH

[red fox]

You can go argue as much as you want why frenzy 2 is easier but doesn't change that some people just don't want pick it

Just like why you have option for less rival

[brave gate]

In my post I'm going to explain why it's best to take frenzy. I'm not gives a bunch of links with no explanation. I know people are afraid of frenzy.

[craggy totem]

Okay I'm lookin at these 32s and I see some trepidatiousness regarding Denial

Denial is not super difficult, and mostly it doesn't screw you over too bad; you just gotta keep it in mind is all

[nova oar]

Denial is free for 32f

[brave gate]

I'd still rather have any of the other stuff

[red fox]

Ah yes i didn't see there is no denial

[brave gate]

But okay I'll add a denial version to it

[red fox]

Denial is basically free for 32

[nova oar]

It's not the easiest route for new players then

[brave gate]

I'd say denial is one of the harder ones for new players

[craggy totem]

I did my very first Fear runs with Denial
(edit: well, okay, to be precise and not misleading, my very first like 1 Fear or whatever the minimum is, all that was with Time. But Denial was the next one 😆 )

[brave gate]

But regardless I'm adding denial versions to 32

[nova oar]

Hard disagree

[red fox]

Denial is reading check

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsMiwwLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=
How is this for "32 fear, rivals 3, with denial"

[nova oar]

Swap menace for scars

[craggy totem]

For UW?

[nova oar]

And debt 2

[brave gate]

Okay scars is definetly not good for new players

[red fox]

Ofc for uw, it is for people just want to hit target

[craggy totem]

I would maybe understand removing Menace for SF but I don't see the point in going out of your way to remove it for UW

[nova oar]

Oh menace not return

That's fine then

[brave gate]

?

[craggy totem]

She misread

[brave gate]

I didnt put return tho

[nova oar]

Yeah I thought you had return on, not menace

[brave gate]

oh lol

[long forum]

Going into rivals 4 32 fear chronos with 3 death's defiances, gale, 26% wispy wiles, 16% damage reduction from foes with weak, 300 security system and 336 health + 20 armour to start...

and pin

[nova oar]

Why not fangs 2 and no menace?

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDAsMCwwLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd
32 fear, Rivals 4, with Denial

[long forum]

if i dont win this run im gonna cry i havent beaten rivals chronos yet

LOL

[nova oar]

Just put fangs on dawg

[nova oar]

What's the vow setup?

[brave gate]

Over what though?

[craggy totem]

Water u talkin about Thom has Menace in that. It's literally Menace 2. my turn to misread

[red fox]

Tbf when you put rival 4 frenzy 2 timer 3 there is lot of free fear lol

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDIsMTJd

[red fox]

The setup become much more... forgiving?

[nova oar]

I hate turing off shadow

[brave gate]

I think Shadow, Menace 2, and Debt 1 is easier than Fangs 2

[long forum]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDAsMTJd

[craggy totem]

33F 👍

[long forum]

this, i feel like it's winnable, rivals chronos and rivals prom give me the most trouble tho

[craggy totem]

What a random number

[long forum]

my bad it was 1 fang

[craggy totem]

30F?

[long forum]

wait something doesnt add up

[nova oar]

Oh easy days

[long forum]

jk just checked it is 33, by accident

[long forum]

i sure hope the third stage is crazy...

[craggy totem]

Just swap the Fangs 2 for Fangs 1 Denial 1 and you'll be at 32

[nova oar]

Have u not made it to third stage yet?

[long forum]

i havent beat it yet, im taking a while for each rivals stage

but figured id skip actually trying to learn prometheus since cerb is so easy lol so im just putting on rivals 4 even tho i barely get rivals 3

[nova oar]

You may be cooked

[brave gate]

I don't think during Rivals Prometheus. I just go off of gut and instincts. Not saying it's optimal tho 💀

[craggy totem]

I do feel like Rivals Prom is wingable

[brave gate]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRwmt-qwgMB6xkHBeUVgrIUcorliqygjzW38iMr7Kf7QJ2OfuNA7NU1w0Wa9WsmD5t0bHwy_gwBdXaA/pub
Updated it

[craggy totem]

Thinking about it, I'm going to boldly and controversially state that Rivals Prom is the the most wingable Rivals fight out of all eight.

Like, it's very "sight-readable" and its tricks aren't too complicated.

[brave gate]

Im pretty sure I beat it first time

[long forum]

I DID IT WITH 40 HEALTH TO SPARE HOLY

[craggy totem]

Everybody clowns on Rivals Eris, but you do have to learn about the bomb defusal in some way or other.

[brave gate]

Shun the non-believer

[red fox]

Surface rival is vibe based difficulty

Some think rival eris a joke, some think she is bs

[craggy totem]

Oh I'm not talking about difficulty

[long forum]

792 damage from chronos and the next most damage is hecate lmao...

[nova oar]

I have low expectations

[long forum]

at 96

[craggy totem]

I'm specifically talking about "how intuitive is the entire fight to grasp on your very first encounter, blind"

[red fox]

Can't took those hp to next run anyway

[still mantle]

Any recommendations to make Zeus blitz feel good?

It just feels mid

[brave gate]

Yeah. Rivals Prometheus is basically regular Prometheus + a beyblade

[craggy totem]

Blitz is generally considered the single strongest curse in the game

[still mantle]

Worse than poseidon waves

[still mantle]

So how do I utilize it effectively?

[red fox]

Tbf it kinda unfair when i have hades 1 experience that i instinctively detonate the bomb myself

[craggy totem]

First, let me check, can you describe to me what Blitz does

[brave gate]

What weapon(s) are you using

[calm flicker]

Is me, or is the best thing to do versus Unrivaled Chronos' 3rd phase is to just blind fire?

[broken creek]

Deal 120 damage twin its not that hard

[still mantle]

Foes are struck by lightning after they take 120 damage or after 4 seconds

[broken creek]

Blitz ceiling is how much damage you can output, and 120 damage in a short time frame is nothing

[nova oar]

No?

[craggy totem]

You generally want to pair a Blitz applicator with strong +%dmg and/or +basepower upgrades on your other main damage output

[broken creek]

Zeus + hera my beloved

[craggy totem]

So for the much-vaunted Mel staff, for instance, people like to pair Zeus attack with things like, indeed, Hera special

[brave gate]

What is "Unrivaled Chronos' 3rd phase" ?

[still mantle]

The usual on hit gang, coat and knives,

[craggy totem]

For coat, Blitz special and the normal onhits on your attack

But you can also make it work in reverse

[broken creek]

Knives its a blitz bot and coat loves it on special

[gusty tree]

I got my first Surface Win

[brave gate]

Put Zeus on special for the knives. You can put him on either attack or special for coat but I prefer special

[gusty tree]

Aphrodite Attack on Aspect of Melione Axe

[still mantle]

Yeah maybe ill try poseidon special with Zeus attack

[nova oar]

On what aspect?

[gusty tree]

i also had 3 duo boons

[still mantle]

Nyx coat perhaps?

[nova oar]

Switch it around

U want pos attack blitz special

[calm flicker]

I guess it was because I had Total Eclipse, but struggled most with Cerberus & swept through Unrivaled Chronos. #h2-victory-boasting message

[still mantle]

Really?

[craggy totem]

Yes

[still mantle]

Am I playing coat wrong?

[craggy totem]

There is a reason I said the onhit attack blitz special was the better version

[You CAN make the other way round work.](#h2-victory-boasting message) You can make a lot of things work.

But the other way round is better

[still mantle]

Ive just been omega boosting and spamming the hell out of specials

[red fox]

It is blitz is gonna work

[still mantle]

Should I go gor exhaust riser?

[craggy totem]

Always, ER bae

[gusty tree]

I had
Aphrodite Hestia
Hestia Posiedon
Posidon Demeter
for my Duos

[brave gate]

Yes with poseidon attack 😍

[still mantle]

Ok cool

[nova oar]

For coat? Yes

[nova oar]

Total eclipse is pretty bad for rivals chronos

[still mantle]

Maybe ill do a trick knives build...

With pan

Zeus attack pos special

[gusty tree]

That combined with a high level Flutter Strike on the Highest Damage melee weapon in the game meant that I melted The phases of Typhon

[craggy totem]

Well, if you have the godsent, I suppose that might not be so bad

[gusty tree]

Oh I also had Demeter Aphrodite duo as well

so I actually had 4

[calm flicker]

I always pick the bottom-most Hex. I'll let you guys know when I finally pick Hexes with actual strategy.

[still mantle]

Should be able to get one strike per dash attack

[red fox]

The hex i get is gold

[brave gate]

Sometimes I use Frinos cause I miss him/feel bad for him

[calm flicker]

Absorb morph ball. Explode Cerberus bomb. Equal.

[brave gate]

Ew my first boon for Medea Skull is Hestia

[nova oar]

Hexes are bad anyway

[calm flicker]

I play with 12 Fear. I find Hexes fun.

[nova oar]

😔

You're missing out on the good builds

[calm flicker]

Well, my laptop is getting worse & worse.

[hollow crest]

HOLY AURA

[calm flicker]

It started out with my C key. Now my D & F key's inputs are getting eaten too.

[hollow crest]

i beat rivals prometheus first try

never seen him before, WOW im sweating

[calm flicker]

I wish I wasn't spoiled on Unrivaled Prometheus.

[broken creek]

Bro saw the yaoi boss and had to lock tf in

[hollow crest]

dude i locked in so hard rn

i beat 24 heat surface rn... wow

and rivals 3 with frenzy even

i've never even attempted higher than 16

https://imgur.com/a/cSL3zjS

[brave gate]

Next stop 32

[hollow crest]

yeah

ig rivals 4 chronos is his P3 i already fought. typhon i can't imagine. i already think he's the hardest boss in the game by far

[brave gate]

I'm going into Thessaly with 700 gold and all 3 uses of Artificer left. I don't wanna take Chrollex, but Idk what else I should lol

[hollow crest]

he is just so tanky....

[brave gate]

Could gamble for the 1/4 phial hit

[hollow crest]

i gambled 1/3 vial and got it

do it too

[brave gate]

I personally find rivals typhon easier than rivals chronos

[nova oar]

Rivals chronos is harder than rivals typhon

[hollow crest]

you two scare me :(

[brave gate]

Landed on the worst possible option 😭

[hollow crest]

ez. that's your lesson to never gamble again

chronos P3 was crazy, too good i had an amazing build doing the story ending

[brave gate]

I'm using Medea Skull and the options were:

• Apollo attack
• Demeter cast
• Demeter dash
• Trusty shield

Landed on dash oof

[hollow crest]

i saw rivals chronos on like 60 smth heat i believe, can't imagine..

[hollow crest]

and it landed on demeter dash lol

oh you said it. I DIDNT SEE LOL

also, is he EVER waking up?? should i start gifting hiim things???

[brave gate]

Ideally I wanted apollow attack. Trusty shield wouldve been good too. Cast would've been alright

[hollow crest]

im literally 350hrs in, wtf is this

well 150 afk but that's beside the point

[brave gate]

Have you finished the main story?

[craggy totem]

Did you never gift him before lol

[hollow crest]

like a hundred hours ago ofc

im on night 120 or smth

[hollow crest]

once iirc

[nova oar]

I can no hit typhon, still havent done it on chronos

[brave gate]

Gift him a nectar. After that, the quest progresses from Medea dialogue

[hollow crest]

i see

i gifted. let's see now

[brave gate]

I havent been offered Possessed Array in ages

[brave gate]

Now I have Air Quality so the extra rarity on the dash literally does nothing 💀

[broken creek]

Fig

Especially since surface timer is evil

[brave gate]

I dont have wards, grit, or return so the timer isnt an issue for me

[red fox]

There is always calling cards

[brave gate]

Already had the boons I cared about

Went Phial for fun

[broken creek]

Could've been silly and taken bell

[hollow crest]

OMFG I JUST REALIZED WHY THE RED + GREEN EYES

[brave gate]

I do need to level it up...

[hollow crest]

my f GOD i am the most restarted person ever WOW

5 years to realize

[brave gate]

Typo saved you

[hollow crest]

not a typo i do it because people are too soft online nowadays

got tired of getting banned on 50 servers and streams lmao

is this optimal for 32 underworld?

https://imgur.com/a/tpvfmkP

Medea seems like the only choice for this. Circe i can only make OP 50% of the time.
and i don't like hidden aspects tbh, besides Hel which requires a lot of setup

[broken creek]

Mh brother in Christ please don't use grit 😭

[hollow crest]

really? it seems the least scary

[broken creek]

It makes timer substantially worse

[hollow crest]

20%hp is barely anything no?

it would only make bossfights rough

[broken creek]

Turn on like hubris2

[hollow crest]

hubris makes you have 0 mana isn't it the worst along with void?

[nova oar]

Hubris is really free

Almost the easiest feat

[hollow crest]

never even tried it ok, i will

[nova oar]

God no

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDIsMTJd

This is, more or less

[hollow crest]

gotta reconsider my choices now lol

denial is horrible, -4 boons???! it's awful no?

[nova oar]

Forfiet is really bad

[hollow crest]

and im NOT doing rivals 4 lol

[nova oar]

Denial is pretty free

[hollow crest]

denial turns it into onions no?

[nova oar]

No

That's forfeit

[hollow crest]

also menace is so free, i used it often

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwyLDEsMCwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[hollow crest]

scars 2 wow. must find heph then

[nova oar]

You can have menace on if you want

[nova oar]

Nah don't need him

[hollow crest]

also i never turn off shadow. literally free heat, i NEVER got hit by those copies, like ever

not a single time had a problem there

[hollow crest]

i take a lot of damage on 12+ heat

[brave gate]

Do you know how percentages work

[hollow crest]

+20% hp to foes. are you implying both armor and hp has it? well it's still 20% overall damage i have to deal

[nova oar]

Bosses have it too

Everything takes longer

[hollow crest]

yeah, as i've said

[nova oar]

Equals more chances to get hit

Fast clears are safe clears

[hollow crest]

yeah you're right, obviously i'm gonna change grit for hubris or smth

[brave gate]

So the statement "20% is barely anything" makes no sense

[hollow crest]

yeah because 20% is not as much

[brave gate]

???

[hollow crest]

it's not 2x more HP, which would be awful

[nova oar]

20% extra hp is 20% extra on everything

It stacks up quick

[hollow crest]

yeah i get it. if you think about it, it's basically 20% longer runs, that's why i don't wanna go for it

[red fox]

Sometimes it is worse

Like enemy having 200 hp, you deal 100 per hit, suddenly 20% more hp mean extra hit

And 20% on boss is terrible

[hollow crest]

yeah you can think that way too, good point

i come from souls games, where i'm used to having to deal with 5 times bigger HP bars than usual

or specifically playing low dmg weapons to make it longer. ig it doesn't translate to hades

because i just learn the moveset - i don't get hit. but hades can be random

[red fox]

Yea because the longer the fight, more room for mistake

[hollow crest]

yeah i know it all too well

[red fox]

And there is much more enemy

[nova oar]

Chronos can't kill you if he just can't attack

[hollow crest]

watching this, this guy is good

https://youtu.be/yPu6WsEsLXc

no idea how he takes 0 damage for so long

[solar pollen]

finally had my first encounter with ||nemesis|| where she got 0 slain foes and i got 112… that felt so good lmao

[hollow crest]

birds in oceanus, congrats haha

[solar pollen]

you know it LMAO

[hollow crest]

also no need to spoil such early things

people just talk about everything here at this point

[solar pollen]

she literally told me to cut it out lmfao

that’s fair i just like to play it safe

[open nimbus]

Shhh dont talk about ||melinoe||

[hollow crest]

HAHAHAHAH im actually laughing this one was great

it's 7:05 am. good night time

[nova oar]

Practice and muscle memory

[brave gate]

https://imgur.com/a/XgPLoCo
This is depressing to see with vow of denial. (I'm using Nyx coat with Zeus attack and Hestia special)

[nova oar]

If you're playing nyx just take the duo

[brave gate]

I did dont worry

I then got epic pyro technique in the shop 😩

[red fox]

Rewarded

[brave gate]

Only issue is I'm locked out of Hestia, Zeus, and Poseidon's gains now. So hopefully my 4th god has a good one

I'd like Aphrodite

[inland orbit]

did they get rid of feedback?

[brave gate]

I'm so confused. Why did Zeus only offer me his special (for sacrifcie) when I have the requirements for his Poseidon duo

[brave gate]

yes

[red fox]

Yes, game is finished

[still mantle]

Am I the only one who uses double fangs for free fear?

[red fox]

Double fang is free until it isn't

[solar pollen]

maybe bc it’s a low chance to get them idk

[inland orbit]

aw :( HEY SUPERGIANT HERE IS MY FEEDBACK: "I haven't played this game since late beta, and holy crap, full release has got me, all over again."

[red fox]

95% of time it do nothing then 5% of time the combo is ridiculous

[brave gate]

Well now I have both Zeus attack and special with his Hestia duo + epic pyro technique. lmfao

[red fox]

Duo and legendary has a chance to roll them, if you don't hit the chance they won't show up even in denial

[brave gate]

rip

I really hope I het launcher frame

[still mantle]

What's a good build for moros torches?

[red fox]

Born gain fine line ocean swell is fun

[brave gate]

Welp I didnt get launcher frame

[sweet cove]

lol over 250 hours and I just realized the raised enemy from night bloom can ward off Hecate’s Twilight Curse

[still mantle]

Another thing that confuses me is i look at fear guides and they say put wards on really late

[still mantle]

So can frinos

[sweet cove]

Frinos was known to me since it’s in his description I believe.

[still mantle]

She even has special dialogue saying "that wasn't meant for you" or "bothersome amphibian"

[sweet cove]

Wards completely depends on what weapon you use

Yes

[still mantle]

Random question: Where do i get raki?

[sweet cove]

Wards with Axe is a different story with wards with torches

Erebus springs

[still mantle]

Ok

She's just chilling?

[sweet cove]

Yep

[still mantle]

Where in the room

[sweet cove]

In the left hand side, close to one of the gates

Very easy to miss since Raki is so small

[solar pollen]

lmaoooo

[still mantle]

I was kinda surprised when I found out there was no incantation to make typhon show you his Healthbar but I realize in retrospect the main thing it would do is expose how much of a fraud Zeus is

[nova oar]

Yeah he doesn't do any damage but it means you can phase skip if u do enough damage

[brave gate]

The game just never wants to let me have Hestia legendary I guess

[errant crow]

woudl you be taking lightning lance on a circe build over static shock late to finally have the targetable cast for storm ring etc, but you already have air quality?

[brave gate]

I swear to Christ I will punch a hole in my wall if the game gives me Howling Soul at the start one more time

[broken creek]

I never take lance on circe especially over static

[errant crow]

fml

I've disappointed the circe one trick

😭

[brave gate]

I've been resetting the night and changing the fate and have started with howling soul 5 times in a row

[broken creek]

Static is just wayyy to good to overlook

[errant crow]

yeah especially with air quality I figured blah

[broken creek]

Especially since on controller lightning Lance is a pain and even on keyboard its more management than normal for like no payoff

[errant crow]

i just like being able to target cast so much lmao

[nova oar]

I had lightning lance on circe for 62f I like it

[nova oar]

I like lightning lance on controller

[errant crow]

im on mkb atm

[broken creek]

See but luthien jasnt gotten to chrinos on 67f 3 times and choked so their opinion is invalid

[nova oar]

I'm gonna shove the twin blades up ur ass u salty mf

[errant crow]

my thought process was im already near chronos and have gusts/prominence flare etc so getting a targetable for him wouldnt be bad

[craggy totem]

Umeboshi?

[errant crow]

esp bc im bad and dodge like smooth brain

[craggy totem]

If you already have Gusts and Prominence Flare, isn't that even more reason to take AQ

[errant crow]

I already had AQ

it was between static shock & lightning lance

[craggy totem]

Ooohh I mixed that up

[nova oar]

In that case always static

[errant crow]

I had a feeling u were gonna say that

f

[nova oar]

I only take lance if the other options are smth like power surge and divine vengeance

[errant crow]

yeah its funny bc im always struggling to find static and then I just didnt take it while alreayd having air quality

real big brain

is static shock like some kind of higher rarity vs other zeus mods? are there more difficult to find mods even if common within a gods boon pool?

[nova oar]

Are you talking about secondary or core boons?

[errant crow]

yeah

static shocks, geyser spouts etc...

[nova oar]

Because gods have boons that need other boons from them or another god to unlock

Like geyser spout needs a cast boon

[errant crow]

like static shock specifically I guess would be my question

[nova oar]

Static can show up first boon

It doesn't have prerequisites

[errant crow]

yeah I just didn't know if it was weighted to be lower chance than others is my question

[nova oar]

You're just more likely to get offered core boons

[errant crow]

even though possible

or are all secondary boons (if you meet the prereqs) equal chance

i wasnt sure if there was some hidden weighting

[nova oar]

Yes, once all core slots are filled

[broken creek]

:3

[errant crow]

plums trying to turn me into his circe padawan

help

[nova oar]

Do it

Circe superiority

[errant crow]

it's so strong it's absurd, and I don't dodge into 100000 damage like i do with medea

[broken creek]

Its great I love the weapon until zeus manages to give me everything but his cast for 3 boons

[errant crow]

oh my issue is ill get storm ring right away but I wont see zeus for the rest of the run

[broken creek]

And I have to denial blitz or static

[nova oar]

First zeus boon is attack special and cast or none of them always that's the rules

[broken creek]

I love getting special rush and gain so I take special then he only offers attack as a usable boon next time then cast is next to static for the 3rd

Or some bs like I get him 2nd so its fr atk/static/cast so I denial his 2 other best things for me in one go

[nova oar]

Real😭

[errant crow]

what's the keepsake you were talking about plum that incentivizes not re-rolling?

[broken creek]

I also live when hes my 2nd god and I already took demeter dash so he offers me thunder rush and nothing else relevant so its waste

[errant crow]

or makes it so you can't re-roll or something

[broken creek]

Jpom

[errant crow]

when do i get that?

[broken creek]

After credits ||gift hades in tartarus||

[errant crow]

ah ok cool

what familiar do you guys like with charon? I don't hve birb yet

[broken creek]

Hecuba/gale

Gale is safety and hecuba is a smoother start before you get a gain

[errant crow]

birb hates me

fkn birb doesnt exist

[brave gate]

How is Poseidon cast for Circe? @broken creek

[broken creek]

Buns

[craggy totem]

Poseidon cast doesn't even stack

[brave gate]

good to know

[craggy totem]

If you go for the stacking strat

Same as Ares

[broken creek]

The icd on splash stops it from working unless you howling soul or glowing coal

[red fox]

Can cope with leash forth synergy

[broken creek]

Ares is just entirely dysfunctional though

[red fox]

No cope for ares cast

[broken creek]

Ares/pos/hera are the auto avoids

[brave gate]

I have a sketch Circe start rn

[craggy totem]

Hera doesn't multiply based on every single enemy in a cast, right? They have to be in the same cast?

[broken creek]

Zeus/hestia/demeter are the good takes, heph/apollo/aphro need some help from staff moveset and arcana

[broken creek]

Uhhh ik plasma dragon was talking abt it before, and it does count everything hitched by a cast in that time so yeah 5 enemies in each cast means they take 10 enemies worth if damage from it unless im crazy

[long forum]

Do people hate omega cast for circe or just boon dependant?

[broken creek]

But then you have no boss damage so it sucks

[broken creek]

Its just not worth it to have to play around magic

[craggy totem]

Ahh, the best of the bad lot, then, boss damage aside

[red fox]

Unless you high roll something it not worth

[long forum]

Elaborate

[broken creek]

Since Ocast takes time, and only adds on the like 150 explosion at the end, unless you wanna go ares blades prominence flare stuff its a waste compared to just playing like mel staff with a big cast

[red fox]

Ngl i feel pos cast better than hera cast because pos cast is good baseline lol

[long forum]

Oh yea im asking is ocast fine with the right boons

Base ocast is bad

[broken creek]

Sure but just doing a no omega zeus cast will beat out Ocast stuff any day on consistency and speed alone

Like do you wanna have your build live with 1 boon or 5

[nova oar]

Yeah ocast circe is fun run only

[long forum]

Ok valid

Im def not in the sweat land yet

[nova oar]

Well not only but it's always gonnna be worse

[long forum]

Or prob never will be

I just see a lot of hate for people using o cast but i guess if jpom throws me boons in that direction then 🤷‍♂️

[broken creek]

If you can manage zeus cast ares blades demeter gusts air quality go ahead lol but thats a pain to get live when you can just play like mel staff with zeus cast and take 90% less effort for same if not better payoff

Circe is at its best when it's mel staff with a big cast

Much like how coat is at its best when its different color mel coats

[long forum]

Do you still play with the other stuff or do you just hit and run

Other stuff as in attack and special

[broken creek]

Ofc you play hyper aggressive regardless

[red fox]

No reason not to

[broken creek]

Especially when blitz, hitch, wounds(grievous) exist

[craggy totem]

Honestly I wonder if that aint the reason I do all right on Selene... it's Mel coat slowed down to a speed that my poor slow brain can handle 😆

[nova oar]

Cast, then dash attack special

[broken creek]

I have a strength no lovers antler damagless chronos 62 thats pretty aggressive since you gotta be

[long forum]

So youre basically playing like mel staff just amping being more strategic with casts timings? (Aka relying on pet movement)

[broken creek]

Yeah

[jolly hound]

I once lost to the gold ring chronos ohko cause I had plasma and went too fast with the Selene coat after that I swore off ares

Wasn’t even rivals, just blew it

[broken creek]

Gale makes that cast placement free asf, raki takes some effort but still not much, and using hecuba toula frinos is trolling

[craggy totem]

The real plasma mood

[brave gate]

Got storm ring but got locked out of double strike :(

[broken creek]

https://youtu.be/82r-sPuTcNo?si=Vm3FUgyte8HyR_UV
The chronos in question

[red fox]

Jpom circe denial experience, something on zeus gonna get lock out

[broken creek]

https://youtu.be/UAyViYUrV7g?si=QNf4jE4PHKcT7HTJ
And here's a hitless no lovers scylla with heph cast cuz it was funny

Circe is mel staff with extra steps, placing the cast and running works but always be aggressive

[red fox]

Heph cast with winner circle is very loud gameplay

[broken creek]

I dont even think it was winners unless im schizo

[jolly hound]

tbh my best circe run was mirrored thrasher room one, then the Zeus thing that zaps upon mana usage room two since it was that dash and ionic gain and im like…wait a sec this is gonna go super hard

[nova oar]

Not even a circe run atp

[broken creek]

Yeah power surge mirrored thrasher is funny

[broken glen]

it's not something you want to gun for unless you get winner's circle

[jolly hound]

Correct. Typhon still died tho

And idk I still haven’t found a good reason to use omega cast

[broken glen]

winner's circle ocean swell shenanigans for casual play

but too much setup for high fear

[broken creek]

Even then i never take winners unless im hard committing to Apollo cast

Especially at higher fears when hoards happens since losing the cc actually sucks

[broken glen]

yeah, it's bad for a lot of casts- when in rome sorta thing

[errant crow]

birb hates me

😭

also, engraved pin secretly disabling my strength was a surprise I wasn't ready for

that would be nice if it got re-worded

[broken glen]

yeah, it's pretty obvious that it's a DD once you equip it but a lot of new players get confused

[errant crow]

I just feel like the word death defiance should be written and it'd be easily avoided

[broken glen]

(it didn't used to break strength, but it was a bit too strong that way)

[errant crow]

because it doesn't totally feel like a death defiance if you only have 10 seconds

[nova oar]

Yeah it never got reworded

[nova oar]

You're right, it's way better

[errant crow]

yeah I mean I love it -- I waas just surprsied that it broke strength

[broken glen]

you ARE defying death

[errant crow]

i'm more delaying death

i'm gonna die fr if birb won't just show up again

[nova oar]

You're still trying 😭

[errant crow]

YES

😭

[nova oar]

Just go find the fates and hope u get it while doing that

It'd be faster to go get seed reroll

[calm flicker]

Ugh. I wish Wells of Charon had more "permanent upgrade" stuff in stock like Yarn of Ariadne & Centaur Soul.

[solar pollen]

right? ig the one extending durations into guardians instead of encounters is ok too

[calm flicker]

Misty Veil & Danaid Dagger are useful as consumables.

[errant crow]

oh, i haven't done any of this yet i just realized lmao

[calm flicker]

But what the fecund is Fateful Twist when most crap costs less?

[craggy totem]

It's "gamble for spark of Ixion" ;P

[nova oar]

Real

[craggy totem]

(then it just gives you ashes)

[red fox]

Gamba

[calm flicker]

Why would I buy Braid of Atlas or Witch's Mark at the beginning of a region??

Have Charon himself sell that guano. You know: BEFORE a guardian!

[red fox]

The only thing i hate is too much meta progression stuff and healing stuff

[nova oar]

Real

[craggy totem]

Yeah, the metaprogression stuff especially feels bad because you can't even get the bonus +5hp/mp or pom slice effect from those iirc

[nova oar]

80% of the pool is useless at high fear

[calm flicker]

That really bugs me.

[craggy totem]

TBF 80%+ of the game is not high fear

[crude dragon]

An incantation that unlocked once you had the "buy every Well item once" prophecy done, all the cards unlocked, and 30 Grasp to get rid of the Psyche and Ash purchases, and replace it with something that let you restock his shop would be pretty neat

[red fox]

I really wished there is a incantations to stop charon well and shop stop offering meta progression stuff

[calm flicker]

Or at least massively reduce its price & make it a +5 max , Magick, &/or Pom slice at least.

[crude dragon]

Kinda giving wells something like what Hermes shrines can offer

[calm flicker]

Wait.

Why do Bones only provide +5 max Magick?

[nova oar]

Yeah

I miss them giving armour

[red fox]

Tbf they are turned into gold or something else anyway

[calm flicker]

A Centaur Heart costs 125 g & provides +25 max .
A Soul Tonic costs 100 g & provides +30 max Magick.

Shouldn't collecting Bones grant 7 or 8 max Magick?

[craggy totem]

It's the same values that you get from Centaur

[honest tulip]

You know what would be so interesting?... If during a family dispute the boons of the god you scorned are debuffed...

Like I'm pretty sure you couldn't use an Olympian call during their rage right?

Imagine they make it so your bones deactivate

So you better not anger the one that's carrying your build

[red fox]

Well there is no call in this game but you can still use their godsent

And have funny dialogue

[honest tulip]

Yeah that feels way rarer tbh I understand why I've not got it

[calm flicker]

I forgive Centaur when it's passive & unmoving, but it's so many a time the game has the player choose between a Bone & Ash room. Why wouldn't I choose Ash rooms when +5 max is weighted to be more valuable than +5 max Magick across most other mechanics?

Hecuba provides +60 max Magick. Frinos provides +40 max . +50% just like Soul Tonic vs Centaur Heart.

[nova oar]

There was an achievement for doing it

[honest tulip]

yea like trying right? they would just scold you?

[nova oar]

No you could actually do it

[calm flicker]

No. Just like the first game, Greater Calls/Godsents function as normal, but they'll use their "Bad Call" voicelines instead.

[wide wigeon]

dude i love the interaction if when you use hades call on hades mad funny

[honest tulip]

oh fr?

[wide wigeon]

yeah you never tried?

[honest tulip]

Dang been a while then

[wide wigeon]

he's js flabbergasted lmaooo

[honest tulip]

No I absolutely got the achievement I just must have assumed he wouldn't have done it based on the bad line

I don't remember who it was with. Just guessing I might have missed the attacks in the chaos of it all

Its pretty specificly rare enough I don't think I would have intentionally tried twice

[calm flicker]

"Father!" Zagreus yells when performing Greater Call against Hades himself.
"WHAT!?" Hades exclaims.
"Yes, I hear you fine!"
"Oh, shut up!"
"Vanish! See if I care!"
.
"Son!!" Hades mocks.
"I'm right here!"
"Boy!!"

[craggy totem]

Because health is useful regardless of aspect, but some aspects don't benefit as much from max magick ;P

[honest tulip]

hey which Magic Regain is the best/ your favorite/

[craggy totem]

Best is context dependent

[honest tulip]

Just watching a playthrough and they said something very strange and I just want to know opinions yaknow?

Yeah context def matters I just feel some are more applicable others

[calm flicker]

Aphrodite's Gain is my favorite mechanically speaking. Although, everyone & their mother loves Hera's Gain boon.

[craggy totem]

If you're running jpom, Apollo is probably the one with the fewest caveats. Hera and Poseidon are powerful but have some caveats. Aphro comes with a curse for orig.

[broken creek]

Aphro sucks for anything channeling a lot

[craggy totem]

Zeus and Demeter have major caveats, and everybody agrees Heph gain is probably the least useful in its capacity as an actual gain boon

[calm flicker]

That's just it. Shouln't, then, Bone rewards provide 7-8 max Magick if Magick isn't as universally useful as max ?

[honest tulip]

I really like Hestia cause I combine it with the staff that uses magic to attack and that's amazing for charging a hex

[craggy totem]

Oh, yeah, I missed Hestia. She's dece too

[honest tulip]

but also why does everyone like Hera's???? that's what I'm confused about cause like.... You're gonna run out???

[broken creek]

No you dont lol uust dont have an ass build

100 mana becomes like 400+

[honest tulip]

Maybe I just prime differently but like

[craggy totem]

You can run out more easily if you have a lot of prime on

[worn barn]

I'm a apollo gain enthusiast myself!