h2-discussion

[craggy totem]

Are you sure it wasn't just Self Healing or something?

[slim pike]

Preaching to the bishop here

[jolly hound]

I’m the malcontent, idk i like it being predictable

it misses enough that I’ve given up on it

Is it significantly better on mouse and keyboard maybe?

[glass jacinth]

It's like Hades 1 where you have to reprogram yourself whenever you roll Demeter's or Dio's cast

[craggy totem]

All aimable things are better on m+k, but it still whiffs often enough

[glass jacinth]

Howling Soul's also strong with Eternity

[still mantle]

Do i take paid dues?

Hmmmm

Is being poor worth
It?

Crap

[jolly hound]

depends on how confident you feel

[still mantle]

Dead- oh never mind

[jolly hound]

and how much cash you have

Rip

[median plinth]

I wouldn't take it unless it's in the end shop

[still mantle]

615 second surface area

[craggy totem]

Nahh

[still mantle]

I was gonna say dead chat

[median plinth]

you think you're doing so well because you're still at full life, but then you realize you have no money to buy boons/health/shields

[craggy totem]

"Dead chat" is a godsdamned silly thing to say at any rate, regardless of the liveliness of said chat

[still mantle]

So no?

[queen cosmos]

I exist here

[median plinth]

and fountain/purchased healing get you a lot of health along the way

[still mantle]

I mean sometimes the chat actually doesn't move for like 20 minutes depending on the server

[craggy totem]

20 minutes is nothing. Y'all are just impatient.

[craggy totem]

I also vaguely remember someone saying that Paid Dues deducts money before % damage reduction, is that a correct memory?

Because if that's the case it's even worse

[frigid stirrup]

sup

[still mantle]

...

[fathom lake]

Aphordite special 🔥 🎸 📢

[still mantle]

At least...

[frigid stirrup]

do fish serve any purpose beyond sellingg

[fathom lake]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-papyrus-undertale-papyrus-dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-25913129

Damn

[still mantle]

Welp I took travel deal

[fathom lake]

Embed fail

[craggy totem]

You've been here long enough to know this channel aint got embed 😆

[fathom lake]

I know i forgor

[wide wigeon]

is it possible to get 2 duo boons in a single night

[craggy totem]

Yes. More than two even

[glass jacinth]

Paid Dues is excellent insurance for Antler'ing the final regions of each route, especially with poseidon eco boons on either route, and especially underworld route due to the 300 gold reward chambers. The going rate for a centaur heart is 125 gold; that same balance of gold is worth ~42 health in your wallet with Dues, and you don't sacrifice it to antler

[craggy totem]

There is actually a special victory-screen title you can get for getting I think... three?... duo boons in a night.

[wide wigeon]

im trying to do the duo boons prophecy and turns out the only 4 I never got were all apollo lmaoooo

[craggy totem]

You've been checking the boon prereqs right? In the codex?

[wide wigeon]

theres prereqs for boons?

[craggy totem]

Yes.

Check the codex.

[glass jacinth]

Yes. You'll need an incantation to enable that in the codex.

You can even Forget-Me-Not boons to flag their prerequisite boons when you roll them

[timid vigil]

For duos and legendaries

[wide wigeon]

nah

I start a run with a olympian keepsake and if I dont get a duo boon I start another run

[craggy totem]

You literally can't get duo boons unless you have their prereqs

[glass jacinth]

as well as some regular boons that depend on the effects they boost being present (I.E. Pyro Technique for Hestia's attack, special, or ring boons)

[timid vigil]

Ah yeah true

[slim pike]

Also the first boon offering of a run will always be three cores

and the first slot of those will always be a strike or flourish boon

[craggy totem]

^if you ever see people refer to "t2"/"tier 2" boons btw, this is what they mean

[slim pike]

Boons with natural pre-reqs

although there are some fussy ones like Dazzling Display

and a few tier threes like Healthy Rebound and Electric Overload

[timid vigil]

I didn't know about that

That's why it sucks so much sometimes to get heph chamber 1

[slim pike]

They're so important to fill in to make the game work that they're highly prioritised

[timid vigil]

When you get like all common attack special or dash

[slim pike]

also if you ever have a core boon slot empty, slot 1 of a boon offering will always be a core boon

(Although there's a 10% chance it will be an exchange boon)

so if you want to go hunting for Duos and Legendaries fill your core slots

[craggy totem]

Unfortunately "a core boon" isn't always strike/flourish (koffkoff me fishing for a particular god's strike/flourish on FW and getting their gain boon offered four times in a row or whatever)

[slim pike]

no, it's any one of the five

[craggy totem]

Yerp

[slim pike]

strike/flourish is still heavily prioritised if you have neither though

even beyond the first offering

but iirc if you have one, then the remaining core has the same weighting as the other cores

[wide wigeon]

I prolly got them all dw

[craggy totem]

That probably was the case in the worst of the experiences

[craggy totem]

The prereqs are per-run

[wide wigeon]

wait what's the codex again?

[craggy totem]

The Book of Shadows

[slim pike]

Yeah, sometimes you need to bow to a god more powerful than Chaos: RNGesus

Also yeah, there's some exclusive boons where if you take one, another is locked out

there used to be more, but there's still a few natural ones

like Howling Soul, Tipsy Shot, Glowing Coal, Hostile Environment and Lightning Lance are all mutually exclusive

[wide wigeon]

oh okay so js in the olympians section?

[slim pike]

(And the book of shadows does not tell you this)

[craggy totem]

Yep, hit the I or whatever button it's bound to and it'll come up with boon info for that god

[craggy totem]

That's really weird. There are some boons with "None of the following:" type stuff listed in the reqs, so clearly they don't have anything against listing negative requirements

[slim pike]

yeah...

those ones I listed are pretty natural exclusives when you think about it

and there were some others like Gyser Spout and Prominence Flare but that's no longer the case

[craggy totem]

Hostile Environment is a bit of a one where I could imagine making that work even with range casts, albeit with funny behavior

But yeah, the others

[slim pike]

That already has a weird behaviour I need to recheck with Excess

(Total eclipse sublime that creates an omega cast detonation at the impact site)

Last I checked Hostile Environment reparents that cast back to Mel anyway

but it's been a while since I've had that combo

[split shuttle]

uh i actually got almost 400k dmg with it

[old veldt]

how hard is 67 fear compared to 64 heat

[crude dragon]

Significantly less unfair

[cunning laurel]

surely 64, didnt it take years

[slim pike]

Max heat has some obnoxious things like approval process and underworld customs

[crude dragon]

Both the surface and Underworld have been cleared at max Fear, and on multiple aspects at that

[timid vigil]

Yeah I think def 64h is harder

[crude dragon]

It's probably a bit harder mechanically, but between the fact that there's a seed reroll feature and no Approval Process to brick your runs means that you can get a lot more viable attempts going for 67 Fear

Also, the aspects in this game are just flat-out stronger than the Hades 1 aspects

[gusty maple]

My feeling is that weapons are stronger, boons are stronger, but ennemies are stronger too

[jolly hound]

Yep, that’s accurate. but approval process 2 is basically praying to the probability gods who aren’t listening

[limpid oar]

I'd still rather have customs than onion tbh, it wasn't bad

[slim pike]

but would you still want to get baited by heightened security?

It's justs one heat, it's nothing to deal with, it's fiiiine

Hades hits you for 300 damage

[old veldt]

and then you get hit by ||urn|| 😔

[limpid oar]

|| realising the urns were traps was one of the peak moments in h1 ||

[old veldt]

should u tag this?

[slim pike]

It's a Hades 1 "spoiler"

[old veldt]

yeah

maybe ppl here havent done h1

idk

[craggy totem]

The only thing required to be spoilertagged in here is Hades 2 1.0 spoilers

(ending/epilogue)

[slim pike]

I mean it's the biggest not-a-surprise boss at all, also this is a spoiler channel, so eh

[old veldt]

okay

just checking

[craggy totem]

If you're ever uncertain just check the channel description

[old veldt]

well i mean h2 spoilers have to be tagged in h1 channels but it doesnt say that in description

[craggy totem]

Do they? Fair enough then

[crude dragon]

I'd hope you can use a bit of logic to deduce that a sequel's spoilers should be tagged in a place talking about the prequel

And that it doesn't really apply vice versa

[old veldt]

im just making sure

in other servers im in you have to tag prequel games

[queen cosmos]

Strength got nerfed???

[old veldt]

in sequel channels

[crude dragon]

Yeah

Back in Unseen

[queen cosmos]

What was it

[crude dragon]

50% DR, 25% damage -> 40%/20%

[craggy totem]

And when was the last time that it worked with Pin /didn't play during EA

[queen cosmos]

Hmm

[crude dragon]

Olympic Update, IIRC

[jolly hound]

fomo for those days that I wasn’t around for cause console pleb

[timid vigil]

I still miss you, EA pan blades...

[slim pike]

Hook knives

[crude dragon]

Pre-nerf Momus (no, not the carpal tunnel Momus)

[grave kernel]

I didn't mind skipping EA, wanted my first experience to be with the full game

[tight cradle]

much less difficult

still hard enough to be achieved by only a few people and after many dedicated hours, but it doesnt have the same legendary status, the h2 community has literally done max fear on every patch since patch 3 early access I think

it took 3 years in hades 1

[broken glen]

(Though I will say that this is in part due to just how much better the community is after all of this time, compared to h1 which was a brand new game)

[tight cradle]

theres actually not that much overlap between hades 1 players and hades 2

the ones that've gotten the best runs have done hades 2 pretty much exclusively actually

[gusty tree]

I think it is funny that Zeus and Hera are the only gods/godesses where the duo boon differs depending on who you get it from

speaking of which I might make a duo boon tier list, and wow some of them are kinda sad

[brave gate]

Started a Morrigan run and first boon was Heph special. Second boon was Bridal Glow from Hera 😩

[jolly hound]

go off haha

[brave gate]

For the most part, I don't think any of them are sad. More so "lowkey"

[jolly hound]

red heph go brr

[gusty tree]

I def underrated Hera

[broken glen]

Very healthy and stable relationship 👍

[brave gate]

Oh and my first hammer is the one that makes blood triad have a 33% chance of hitting twice. I hope I get Heph legendary

[gusty tree]

I still think she is kinda overrated mainly because her status effect isn’t that good against bosses, but she isn’t bottom 2

[broken glen]

She is not overrated and she is very good against bosses (even other than sirens/promacles, she’s great at getting rid of ads)

[brave gate]

It works for a lot of bosses tho\

[broken glen]

Hera fits into any build

She has all of the elements and is the ultimate support

[brave gate]

And her percent boost is still a decent size regardless

[gusty tree]

But yeah she is very good, I def underrated her

[gusty tree]

Unlike 2 certain gods (cough Ares and Demeter)

[brave gate]

I wish her sprint boon made you faster

[broken glen]

You don’t even need a core boon, BUT YOU PROBABLY SHOULD since she has the best dash/gain (along with Apollo) and a great status for the attack/special

[broken glen]

Stealing Apollo’s job

[brave gate]

Well it could be not as fast

[gusty tree]

I forgot Demeter in my original ranking, I think she is a mid tier godess, better as a suppliment instead of a main course

[broken glen]

Ares is the only god that I commonly pass up (though wounds aren’t bad)

[gusty tree]

Sure she has the second worst percentage boost next to ares, but she shouldn’t be the main focus of alot of builds

[grave kernel]

I know Demeter's cast is good

[brave gate]

I like seeing Ares but not as my first god

[broken glen]

Demeter is there for arctic ring and snow Queen

[brave gate]

Weed Killer

[broken glen]

And gales sometimes if you need orig

[gusty tree]

I think that Demeter is good when your build needs more gas

[brave gate]

Local Climate for cast builds

[gusty tree]

If your build needs that gas she is amazing, if it doesn’t then she is kinda better than nothing but not ideal.

[brave gate]

It would be cool if Artemis, Athena, and Dionysus had duo boons despite how rare they'd be

[gusty tree]

They were changed to helper characters in the second game

[brave gate]

I know

[gusty tree]

Why Supergiant

[brave gate]

But you still get boons from them

[brave gate]

Make room for Hestia, Hephaestus, and Hera

[gusty tree]

Dyionysus makes the most sense to not be a regular god out of the 3

[broken glen]

At least we get to see them in-person

[brave gate]

Yeah

[gusty tree]

Mainly because Hestia took his niche as the DOT god/goddess

[grave kernel]

Hestia's scorch feels like a better Hangover

[brave gate]

Bruh I just got the Poseidon + Heph duo boon before the final shop in Ephyra

[gusty tree]

and now he is a really good helper character; arguably the best one in the game with the god damn horniest design in the game.

[grave kernel]

Athena was mostly just good for her dash in most runs

Artemis is the only one that I miss as a regular boon

[old veldt]

Her attack was solid on some aspects

[gusty tree]

Artemis was amazing in hades 1

[old veldt]

Oh yeah and ME

[grave kernel]

Nemesis sword or Hestia rail crit builds were fun in H1

[gusty tree]

Anyways I am going to make my Duo tier list, and wow, Most of Hera’s are sad

Hera is the definition of top tier normal boons, bottom tier duos

[old veldt]

What even are her duos

[gusty tree]

She has the only duos in the game where depending on your build and progression has a chance to literally be useless

[grave kernel]

she has a Random duo like Zeus, but I feel you'd rather have Zeus's Ransom duo since his boons scale much better with levels

[gusty tree]

and isn’t like a plasma build where it might as well be useless, I mean they could literally be useless

[grave kernel]

Ripple Effect can be fine if you're spamming Omegas

[crude dragon]

Brave Face (your MP gets eaten for mitigation, it's situational)
Universal Donor (Literally just Nimble Limbs)
Cherished Heirloom (Actually quite good)
Queen's Ransom (not as funny as King's because her boons don't scale as well)
Sun Worshipper (Good if you also have Night Bloom)
Ecstatic Obsession (Just worse Sun Worshipper)
Incandescent Aura (Also fairly good but requires a lot of mana spend)

Oh right, Ripple Effect is also stupid good

And is super well-designed

[grave kernel]

especially if you have both Fine Line and Ocean Swell boons, good in an omega-based build

[crude dragon]

You can just fulfill the reqs by getting Swell and Fine Line, and you don't need any cores that way

[grave kernel]

Incandescent Aura is another one that fits into omega-based builds, provided you have good magic regen

[slim pike]

sun worshipper doesn't benefit at all from night bloom upgrades and vice versa

[broken glen]

The duos aren’t really the value of Hera- it’s how much you can get out of her for so little. Pick her up for a great support to your main build in bridal glow or extended family. Her core boons also don’t need any secondaries or investments to function well

[brave gate]

https://imgur.com/a/B4uGJvD

Crazy start to a run

[grave kernel]

meanwhile, Heph I rarely find ways to make builds with his core boons good, the rest of the time he's only there for his armor based boons

[crude dragon]

Thought the bonus summon damage affected Night Bloom summons

That's disappointing

[crude dragon]

Heph needs poms and wants Duos

[gusty tree]

Hepastus is really cooldown reliant which is the issue

[grave kernel]

Heph is like, you have to really focus on him since region 1, otherwise his damage boons are going to suck

but really good damage if you can get him there

[gusty tree]

You can make his booms better with Seismic Hammer and/or love handles but then you are reliant on duos

[crude dragon]

Love Handles isn't even the one you want to aim for

Chain Reaction is

[gusty tree]

Heart Throbs aren’t even that good yeah

[slim pike]

unless you hit sunny D

[crude dragon]

Even with Sunny D, you're still running into the problem of that damn Heartthrob cap

[brave gate]

I dont think Heph needing poms/rarity is that big on an issue. If you're doing jPom, it starts at lvl4. If you're not doing fates whim, You can use Heph keepsake to increase rarity and then take poseidons to get their duo.

[crude dragon]

You can also do mom skull to gamble into the 2-second cooldown off the bat

[grave kernel]

wonder how it would be with jpom+persephone skull

[brave gate]

Also, blast is already good on persephone because it fills up the meter almost instantly

[grave kernel]

speaking of skull, regarding Medea skull, which damage applies first in a specia if you got an attack chargel? "attack" or "special"?

[slim pike]

you hit them with the special then the attack explodes

and that's a normal special

I wouldn't worry about charging special on medea

[grave kernel]

I meant in regards to how it would interact with Blitz for instance

[slim pike]

Put blitz on special, basically

[brave gate]

I have to choose between common Quick Buck and epic Nitro Boost 😢

[slim pike]

nitro boost, obviously

[brave gate]

Yeah. And I already have burried treasure from Poseidon anyway

I wish levels and rarity increased Security System's duration rather than armor amount

[crude dragon]

Blitz on the Special is what you want

[wise wave]

Get Quick Buck and then Paid Dues would be so hype

[cunning laurel]

is that even close 😭

[brave gate]

Already got Nitro Boost

I have another hard choice now:

#h2-builds-and-combat message

I'm not far off from 8 Earth elements but the Duo is an instant benefit

[open nimbus]

yes another day of ares hate bwahahaha

[open nimbus]

incandesent aura with mirrored thrasher, cardio gain, and hera attack is awesome. Add power surge and thats a fun build on staff

[timid vigil]

Quick buck not even that good if you're running chrolex

[wise wave]

Tough Gain, Brave Face and Incandescent Aura and we might have revenge damage.

[grave kernel]

Ares I find a good secondary god, Grievous Blow can cause any source of damage to be effective crits provided you're keeping Wounds up

[gusty tree]

Well I made my tier list
Placements not ordered

S: Romantic Spark, Master Conductor, Freezer Burn, and Incandescent Aura

A: Fourth Degree, Hostile Environment, King’s Ransom, Hearty Appetite, Seismic Servo, Sun Worshiper, Tropical Cyclone, Room Temperature, Hail Storm, Chain Reaction, and Scalding Vapor

B: Burning Desire, Queen’s Ransom, Island Getaway, Beach Ball, Rude Awakening, Natural Selection, Brave Face, Thermal Dynamics, and Killer Current

C: Love Handles, Cutting Edge, Sunny Disposition, Coffin Nail, Heinous Affluent, Ectatic Obsession, Golden Rule, and Glorious Disaster

D: Cardinal Desire, Aterial Spray, Universal Donor, Cherished Hierloom, and Warm Breeze

[tranquil wren]

heinous affluent

[cunning laurel]

why do you hate cherished heirloom

[timid vigil]

Heinous C is crazy

[gusty tree]

Well given that it is the only duo in the game with a chance to be literally useless, it has to be bottom tier by logical necessity

[timid vigil]

Cheirloom D 😭

[cunning laurel]

wdym chance to be useless

[gusty tree]

I mean exactly that

[timid vigil]

How

[cunning laurel]

whats chance based about it

[gusty tree]

if you have all your keepsakes at max rank then it is useless

[cunning laurel]

theres rank 4 bro

[timid vigil]

You're not being fr

[cunning laurel]

same with heph legend, you thought it would do nothing if you've maxed it?

[timid vigil]

Technically the only way for cheirloom to be useless is if you get it region 4 and you're using a keepsake that can't go beyond 3 like good keepsake or phial but at that point that's on you if you're using one of those keepsakes on r4

[grave kernel]

Keepsakes do have a rank 4

[open nimbus]

gods can upgrade your weapon levels, keepsakes, and hammers beyond what you can... like Icarus can do level 2 on your hammers and heph legendary can upgrade your aspect to legendary

[crude dragon]

Thermal Dynamics in B tier? Excuse me?

[crude dragon]

There's rank 4 keepsakes for everything but the god keepsakes and Phial

For instance, Rank 4 Antler is 50% crit

[cunning laurel]

and what the hell is golden rule

[crude dragon]

Golden Rule is the old Hera/Poseidon Duo

[gusty tree]

Some of these duos are sad honestly

when the hell would anyone pick Cardinal Desire

[crude dragon]

Current one is Ripple Effect, which is also A tier at minimum

[wise wave]

Arterial Spray in D? Why?

[open nimbus]

how many hours do you have in hades 2?

[crude dragon]

Yeah, Arterial Spray that low is also wack

[crude dragon]

Carnal Pleasure was already mediocre when it was guaranteed Heartthrobs

[timid vigil]

Also romantic spark S, is it really that good? I never used it much

[crude dragon]

It isn't

[timid vigil]

It seems ass

It's so easy to proc blitz already

[gusty tree]

I have it in S tier because of the damage

[crude dragon]

It's literally Merciful End, Hades 2 Edition, but there's just better options

Thermal Dynamics being one such

[timid vigil]

Merciful end but there's no double dashing, got it

[gusty tree]

It is really reflective of my playstyle honestly

I want that big damage NOW

[timid vigil]

It's 80% extra blitz dmg but you have to sprint through enemies honestly just seems ass

[gusty tree]

and that damage boost is really big for one of if not the best curse in the game

[wise wave]

Arterial Spray 25% is same as Heroic Double Strike, It's really strong with splash build

[crude dragon]

It also procs on dash, but it's still not nearly as build-defining as its H1 counterpart

[gusty tree]

IMPO B tier on my tier list is the baseline

Anything above b tier and you get something pretty damn solid

[timid vigil]

Now that I think about it, Aphrodite duos are really bad in general huh

[gusty tree]

anything lower and you get “technically better than nothing but it isn’t great”

[crude dragon]

Heinous in C tier is also a psycho take

[timid vigil]

Yeah heinous is by far the best duo boon

Only bad thing about it is that it needs light smite to be good

It's almost a trio boon if you think about it

[crude dragon]

I think Thermal is also up there, but yeah, its potential is nuts

[gusty tree]

I’d say they are hit or miss

[timid vigil]

Sure I agree

Cheirloom too probably

[crude dragon]

Cheirloom in D tier b3cause you didn't know about rank 4 keepsakes is just a knowledge diff

[gusty tree]

Cardinal Desire is hot garbage, Burning Desire is average, I think romantic spark is amazing

[craggy totem]

Cherished Heirloom also doesn't just up your keepsake level beyond the normal max level, it refreshes Lion's Fang (and possibly other keepsakes that get used up?)

[crude dragon]

Carnal, not Cardinal

[gusty tree]

my b

[craggy totem]

So if you picked up Cheirloom right before Chronos, you can enter Chronos with +70% global damage

It's absolutely nuts

[timid vigil]

It's crazy

[cunning laurel]

still worse then 50% crit

[crude dragon]

I think it refreshes Calling Card

[craggy totem]

Not for folks like me (bad at not dying) 😉

[timid vigil]

I think this was a bug and was fixed

Same for chrolex

[crude dragon]

I know it no longer fully refreshes Chrolex, which is sad but understandable

[gusty tree]

Something I was shocked by is by how good Hestia’s duos are

[craggy totem]

Yeah fire auntie is a legend

[open nimbus]

I hate that heinous affront is one of the best *trio boons in the game because it means I need to get Ares

[craggy totem]

Ironically, her actual legendary is not a legend

[crude dragon]

Hestia's come a long way

[cunning laurel]

nothing can kill you with 50% crit though

[gusty tree]

Ok Warm Breeze sucks ass

[craggy totem]

You aint met me 😉

[gusty tree]

but the rest of her duos are B tier at worst, top tier at best

[crude dragon]

Warm Breeze is fine until you fully lock off healing since it's not a Scars bypass

[open nimbus]

warm breeze on a dodge build is funny... but it does't do anything outside of that so that ones fine

[craggy totem]

Scars exceptions drive me absolutely up the wall, they're so random

[brave gate]

I had a god build and just choked on Phase 2 rivals Chronos (like I always do)

During the part where all the hourglasses come out, I jsut panic cause there's so much stuff on screen

[timid vigil]

It's completely bonkers that it doesn't bypass scars

But the Apollo infusion does

[crude dragon]

Yeah, you'd expect a Duo to bypass Scars

[timid vigil]

I really don't get it

[gusty tree]

I’d say Ares has the duos that occupy the two sides of you will almost always pick this or “when the hell would this ever be useful”

[timid vigil]

Most of ares duos are aimed specifically for certain builds

[crude dragon]

Universal Donor is so funny because it doesn't count as 20 stacks if you have his Legendary, it's only 20%

[timid vigil]

Hostile environment is cool if you're really going full into ocast

[gusty tree]

Duo with Demeter especially on an aspect of Circe build, really good, Carnal Desire; arguably worst duo boon in the game

[crude dragon]

(Funny because garbage)

[timid vigil]

Coffin nail and Cutting edge make falling blades do insane damage

[gusty tree]

Those boons are not that good though

the ones that make the falling blade

[crude dragon]

No, that still goes to Donor. It is literally just an Epic Nimble Limbs

[timid vigil]

They are

[crude dragon]

They are, but you want both

[timid vigil]

It's still bad but when you get all pieces it feels so strong

[hollow crest]

AAAA WTF

[timid vigil]

Ofc not that viable at like high fear and stuff but yeah

[hollow crest]

RIVALS CERBERUS im gonna fight him for the 1st time rn

asphodel cerberus lol

[wise wave]

I dont think that Romantic Sparks worthy unless I build with Supay.

[timid vigil]

Oh I can see it being good with supay

Although probably still not that good tbh

[hollow crest]

ok i melted him in 30 seconds. pathetic boss, i was scared of rivals 3 for 200 hours

[cunning laurel]

i dont know enough about the range

[crude dragon]

Don't worry, Rivals Prometheus will give you the vibe check you crave

[gusty maple]

Wait until he gets the worst pattern of all time and end your perfect run

[timid vigil]

TRUE

[brave gate]

I would like the Selene Coat 10x more if Shine increased damage from you regular attacks and specials rather than omegas

[hollow crest]

yeah i could see how it could get worse in a second

[hollow crest]

sure, i'll try him soon

[brave gate]

It feels so disgustly bad to have to use moves that charge up during a limited time period

[median plinth]

I'm actually surprised anything bypasses scars

most surprising to me is that chaos boon that gives x life per room

[brave gate]

Ty jPom and Persephone skull for giving me level 8 blinding rush lmao

[crude dragon]

Nyoom

[tiny gust]

hi everybody

i need a little help with my article here bc i kinda forgot

does anyone know if Moros calls melinoë by some affectionate nickname?

i know icarus calls her "Meli", eris calls her "trouble" or "babe" and nemesis doesn't really call her by a nickname

but i forgot if moros has one

[brave gate]

Princess

[gusty maple]

iirc he only calls her Princess

[tiny gust]

ahh you're right

[brave gate]

I hate when I take an infusion boon and forget about it

Like I used Chrolex on an Apollo boon despite needing one more fire for self healing lol

[visual badge]

is there no modding channel

[glossy shadow]

I forget, can we pre-charge the barrage when we activate hexes?

[brave gate]

wdym?

[broken glen]

Which he shares with nemesis, oddly enough

[glossy shadow]

Holding my lock on so the omega is ready to fire, setting off the hex to set up shine

[visual badge]

gng do i buy frinos and cerberus plushys

[broken glen]

“Princess” (affectionate) vs “Princess” (derogatory)

[gusty maple]

Yeah, but I think he really likes to call her by her rank, while Nemesis does it as a mockery

[cobalt flint]

No modding channel, but there is a community made modding server pinned in self promotion!

[visual badge]

ty

[mighty jasper]

Sorry for the late reply but I found out that it was a Hestia and Apollo boon that got removed and replaced with warm breeze

[gusty tree]

I just had a pretty good run

Torches

Apollo, Demeter, Aphrodite, Zeus, Chaos, Artemis, Hermes

Darkside as Moon Hex

[timid vigil]

If only we had rush delivery...

[gusty tree]

Underworld not surface

Wow apollo is one of the best gods for the torches

[timid vigil]

Do you mean for attack/special?

[gusty tree]

Yes

Well his mana recovery is also nice

[timid vigil]

I can see it being funny with daybreaker

Idk about the rest

I rather have a curse applying attack for example

[gusty tree]

Apollo: Attack, Special, Mana Recovery

Demeter: Steady Growth, Dash

Aphrodite: Cast, Hex, Heartbreaker

Zeus: Static Shock, Electric Overload, Air Quality

Hermes: Racing Thoughts, Nitro Boost

Chaos: Addled Strike

Artemis: Whispered Prayer

Aspect: Eos

So yeah, my build did a ton of damage, and basically nothing else

[whole stream]

After going back to hades 1 for a bit hades 2 boons improved so much bro

Theres way more variety in builds

[gusty tree]

I agree

Hades 1 is really good, but the boons are much more varied in hades 2

[grave remnant]

If I were to sell the Bridal Glow boon, would it take its effects with it?

[glass jacinth]

Ares on torches gets really funny if you roll his legendary and enough plasma-generating boons

It turns them into a flamethrower

[honest tulip]

Guys I've got the Charon and Apollo Cast expansion

This blast is HUGE

[crude dragon]

It doesn't. That being said, you can't get another Bridal in that run, so if you need the water element for infusions, or want to keep it for a Ransom, keep that in mind

[grave remnant]

What's a ransom again?

infusions is a good one... didn't think of that...

thx

[honest tulip]

ransom is give up all of hera or zeus to boost all zeus or hera

[grave remnant]

all? i've never had that yet...

[honest tulip]

Now I'm just imagining a chaos trial that's Soley zeus & hera. With an increased chance of Duo Boons and Sacrafice Boons

Call it Custody Battle

[errant crow]

if I re-roll a room that has 2 gods, will it always alter into duo god rooms?

[glass jacinth]

Couples Therapy

[honest tulip]

WAIT does the jeweled pom stay in effect even if I swap keepsakes?!~?!

[long forum]

As long as you dont use a god boon

Including athena

[honest tulip]

That's insane

I thought I had to keep it on

[glass jacinth]

Same for the other FW keepsakes. You don't have to use all their charges on the region you equip them

[honest tulip]

just got glowing coals right before typhon

Charon peak

[cunning laurel]

turns the ground into an ice rink

[honest tulip]

I took One hit from typhon seconds before I killed him damn almost (technically) no hit him (Of course I had lovers but still

How did I obtain Deep Dissent for Typhon 😭

This is just in here??? I do not remember obtaining this

[cunning laurel]

one of your keepsakes gave it to you

[long forum]

Read over jpom effect

[broken glen]

Does he know?

[craggy totem]

ABRD (always be reading descriptions)

[long forum]

You get run start hades boon

[honest tulip]

oh wow for some reason that didn't make sense to me going up

[long forum]

howling soul my beloved

[honest tulip]

least noticable hades boon

[honest tulip]

That one is peak

[long forum]

I hate that one actually

So much

[craggy totem]

If the Olympians can bless you from up there while you're in the underworld, then pops can bless you from down there while you're on the Surface

[honest tulip]

Well yeah. I just didn't notice he could take offence to Typhon

It's pretty funny how the revenge damage is specifically targeted at chronos

[craggy totem]

All of Hades' blessings work on the Surface.

That includes Old Grudge.

Typhon is, after all, being employed for Chronos' ends.

[crude dragon]

Trial of Glory

Believe it's Mel Coat through Olympus

But anyways, it starts you with a bunch of Zeus and Hera boons

[old veldt]

So, been trying out circe and the only pet I have is frinos
Is there any way to make him go somewhere and manipulate his movement for double cast?
On that topic, which pet is best for circe and how do I get other ones?

[crude dragon]

Raki or Toula, and you'll get more by finding them out in the world

[honest tulip]

I was told gale is good

[crude dragon]

And there's no real way to manipulate where he goes

[honest tulip]

they kinda just show up

[crude dragon]

All the pets are in static locations, it's just getting to some of them that are asinine

Gale's good, but not a great Circe pet

[solar pollen]

when am i supposed to be able to ||wake hypnos||? i’m pretty sure im just supposed to keep doing surface runs and ||talk to medea|| but all she has been talking about is curses and making comments about ||working with rival poly||. idk how many runs ive done tryna get her to talk about it. ive rolled credits on both uw and surface

[crude dragon]

You just need to keep rolling dialogue

It's hard-gated behind rolling the credits, but past that it's just dialogue RNG

[errant crow]

When you're doing a circe build with gale etc, and you finally get offered air quality + lightning lance at the same time, do you take the air quality right away for the big increase on the min damage for the leash/gusts, or do you take the lance assuming you'll see air qual again?

[old veldt]

Is frinos still fine though

[errant crow]

I suppose I'm just unaware of how common each is to show up again

[honest tulip]

dang that's a tough choice

I'd probably go with airquality for survivability

[errant crow]

I actually got offered king's ransom too in this same choice, and I only have 1 hera sprint that I don't even need 🤣

with storm ring/double strike

my brain is too smooth for choices like this

[cunning laurel]

lightning lance is not very impactful

[errant crow]

really? I feel like it feels great on storm ring builds but maybe I'm not playing properly

[cunning laurel]

its not bad but i wouldnt ever take it over something useful

[errant crow]

ah okay

I also haven't taken king's ransom for the quest yet for duo boons

those seem tricky to finish off

[crude dragon]

He's probably the worst pick of the pets, TBH, just because he doesn't have any moves that target enemies

Like, it won't end up mattering too much since Circe's in the top 5 strongest aspects, but still

[cunning laurel]

yea duo quest will take forever if you dont go out of your way for them

[crude dragon]

I'd go with Air Quality since it's the bigger power spike

[errant crow]

cheers yeah that's what I figured as well

[crude dragon]

Ransom's also good but you want at least 2 boons getting deleted for it

Especially if it's a surface run since you can't potentially sell it

[broken creek]

What

Gale/raki are best

Gale makes layering free, psychic leash is still plenty abusable, and very defensive

[crude dragon]

For playing around Circe specifically? Don't you want a more aggressive pet?

[broken creek]

Managing toula is a pain and the dd is useless, raki is great since hes hyper aggressive but from playing with him he can be weird to try to layer since he has downtime

Gale has zero downtime and is 100% consistent in where they are and how to use them

The decision is always raki/gale, hecuba moves like gale but the mana is useless, and frinos is everywhere but where you need him

[errant crow]

I've accepted I'm never going to get enough flux/darkness to unlock nyx

[brave gate]

how do dodge chances stack

[broken creek]

Additive iirc

Which is why evadex3 from echo is goated

Hot pot, gale, evadex3, whispy, youll have a lot of dodge

[gusty tree]

One thing that I like about this game is that all of the gods are useful depending on your build

While hades 1 has some that were kinda garbage (cough Aphrodite, Dyionisus)

[brave gate]

https://imgur.com/a/YFPBpnn

[broken creek]

Ohh yeah hasty is goated

[brave gate]

I also had self healing so even when Typhon hit me it didn’t do much lol

He did 30 damage to me overall which was effectively 21 😭

@broken creek oh wait that’s the wrong image

[errant crow]

I always have the hardest time finding static shock

[errant crow]

So I'm reading the "Bounties of the Infinite Abyss" and the Gift of Night wording is which can be claimed if enough fear or wahtever is in the air -- is that requirement just if you're running enough fear on that current weapon aspect to drop the next nightmare?

[worn barn]

does frenzy make hecate's ball faster?

the transform spell

[broken creek]

Id think, idk tho really I only play with frenzy atp

[old veldt]

Is there anything specific I got to do for the other pets

[jolly hound]

yes

[worn barn]

argh, rough

was wondering why the ball keeps hitting me since about when I did frenzy ii :/

[broken creek]

You can get used to it though, just takes practice

[worn barn]

oh for sure!

I just need to practice it more, I don't think it's hopeless 🙂

[errant crow]

Are you guys usually running night arcana?

[broken creek]

Depends, if im on a no mana weapon i can fit it in exclusively for moon

Not many weapons easily night cycle tho is the issue, ik flames or momus can get away with it easily

[errant crow]

ah cheers, I just dm'ed you rq if you could just lmk if that looks normal

[crude dragon]

Gotta find them and give them a biscuit

[old veldt]

Like another incantation or just luck

I don't mind spoilers

[crude dragon]

Just gotta find them

[brave gate]

@old veldt which pets do you have

[crude dragon]

They're all in specific parts
Raki: ||Erebus fountain room||
Toula: ||Docks after Polyphemus||
Hecuba: ||Echo's room/Fields midshop||
Gale: ||Olympus endshop||

[crude dragon]

Just Frinos

[brave gate]

👍

[old veldt]

^

[old veldt]

Hmm well I haven't explored much of the surface yet but I found the other two spots

[brave gate]

And you’re only able to give them a treat the second time you see them

[old veldt]

Is it rng whether they're there

[brave gate]

No it’s guaranteed

[old veldt]

Weird

[noble mauve]

Sorry to bother, but I had a question I can't seem to find an answer to. I haven't got any progress to wake Hypnos up. I have the poppies and I know I at least gave 1 nectar to him. Is there a way I can check if I gave him 2? I have been checking every run and have yet to see anything else pop up, and I have beaten 40ish runs. Apologies for the spiel!

[brave gate]

They’re kind of small so make sure you’re actually looking for them in the rooms

[brave gate]

Eventually, you’ll learn an incantation from talking to Medea

[noble mauve]

Ah, I thought you had to try to rouse him first, which lead to failure. Once that happens you need to talk to Medea to unlock the dream vapors. I just haven't had any luck with either part so far =[

[brave gate]

His quest line takes a long time to finish. Just keep playing and eventually Medea will let you progress it

[noble mauve]

Alrighty then! I'll just keep watching Hypnos to see if I can eventually offer another nectar. Thanks for the help! It's been driving me a bit buggy!

[brave gate]

No problem! And dont worry about the nectar. You only ever give one

[noble mauve]

Well then! I kept seeing everything say two. Fool me once... fool me 4 times... hrmm... It may be a user error =[

[brave gate]

Maybe it is two then? But even if it is two, you'll only advance it through medea

[noble mauve]

Alrighty! Just play the waiting game! Thanks for your time!

[crude dragon]

It's twice

[median plinth]

as a non 67f player (aspiring 62f player but not there yet), I've trying different companions for circe and I have found toula to be quite reasonable. Early game I found it easier to position the leash to help clear wards, and the toula attack is noticeable for clearing a few mobs (or even just wards). Later game toula helps drop a cast somewhere else (or double up) as your cast damage takes over the attack special combo. Additionally since I open most rooms with an omega something, it isn't hard to wake up toula.

That said, the exception (and it's a huge exception) is for the longer boss fights (which admittedly are a big barrier for me). Needing to hunt down toula against chronos is annoying (p2) /impossible (p3)

gale is actually too close to be able to leverage the beam most of the time and I suck a lot so 3 blocks doesn't do me much good (though the dodge probably makes a difference)

[honest wren]

On the aspect of Thanatos axe when it says it gives you a bonus of 2% crit on your strikes up to 20%, that doesn’t mean you’re capped at 20% total crit rate right?
Like I can still use raki and the crit arcana card?
I know this is probably not optimal I just feel like doing a cheesy crit build. 😂

[broken creek]

No it just means 20% is all you will get from that source, stuff like raki an antler still stack on top

[calm flicker]

Boy, is it fun to kill swarmer enemies with Hera's Rush. Hell, it was then I discovered it even has a damage & application period.

[honest wren]

Yaasss okay cool

[broken creek]

Imo gale psychic leash is plenty fine to abuse it just takes some getting used to, since she sticks to you so tightly (to a point) its still very possible to be dashing back and forth to keep leash ticking the entire time while fighting something

[honest wren]

The leash is crazy

Fun aspect

My favorite aspect is nergal

[broken creek]

Ive never used toula circe myself because I dont wanna manage her, but ik really having to choose between managing something for easy early game or just adapt to the better high fear option to still abuse leash fine id choose the latter

[median plinth]

that's probably true for bosses, but I found the early game when I don't have aoe and need to attack + special through wards to be tougher with gale

[honest wren]

Cat is awesome for the leash

Because she stays stationary, you can literally just have the leash constantly on your target for permanent DOT

[median plinth]

right now I have 3 barriers: timing out region 1, beating scylla, and beating chronos

[honest wren]

But I also love the strength Arcana so I just don’t really like doing death defiance builds

[median plinth]

and I found toula to be much better for region 1

I may change my mind later as I get better!

[honest wren]

Toula was goated for me learning the game, and even though I don’t like the death defiance builds, I still like to use her once in a while, especially with the circe aspect

[broken creek]

Losing the region blocks and dodge hurts too much imo, and ik raki and toula have easier to abuse psychic leash but with enough practice gale is about the same

[median plinth]

yeah like the region blocks is like nothing for me sinc eit's like 6 damage hits on the 2nd room

or thorns

(I suck)

[broken creek]

Plus since staff already is a very mobile dash attack spam kinda weapon moving for gale feels very fluid compared to toula or raki where if I dash too much i feel like I lose the leash too easy

It might also just be me having only really played gale circe at high level so im just wayyyy more comfy with gale or the 67f delusion seeping into my general opinions

[median plinth]

I'll try gale again once my thumb heals

[broken creek]

Just like me twin, although I hope you didnt cut a bit of your thumb off like I did 🥀

[median plinth]

I was just surprised since you were so confident and I felt exactly the opposite

I think I strained it playing too much, muscles super sore and I can't do the attack-special combo

been practicing dash/cast only supay with left trigger dash right trigger cast to practice my dodges!

[crisp comet]

Are s-scales dug

or pick axe

[broken creek]

Pickaxe on summit

[brave gate]

I got Cubital Tunnel Syndrome from Hades 1 lmfao

[crisp comet]

ty

[brave gate]

It's caused by pinching the ulnar nerve (which is in the elbow), so I think it was a combination of my chair's armrests being plastic and me having a death grip on the controller

[tropic ravine]

Out of curiosity does it hurt if you know what I mean or does it just feel numb

[brave gate]

So basically the pinky side of you hand becomes numb and your hand/elbow get really weak in general. Like I wasn't even able to pop a cap off a pen with just my left hand.

The physical therapists and doctor told me it it typicals hurts when the forearm/hand region is massaged. However, when they massaged adn scraped it for me, I just got really nauseated

and passed out lol

[tropic ravine]

Ok thanks google wasn’t very detailed

[brave gate]

No problem

[tropic ravine]

Did it go away?

[brave gate]

Yeah

I got this elbow pads I can use while I game or sleep (cause I may lie on them while sleeping)

But now I pretty much only use them when playing an FPS cause that is when my elbows are on the armrests the most

[tropic ravine]

Ah ok

[brave gate]

And my college chair also has cushioned arm rests

[tropic ravine]

Guess I won’t put my ankles on my armrest then lol

[brave gate]

Well my armrests at teh time were plastic 💀

[jolly hound]

Heph blast w 2 second cooldown on eos and rivals chronos went down like, easily. am I getting gud

[brave gate]

No cause you didnt get it to 1.5s 🙄

Bruh I'm so bad at spamming dash strike (using PS5 controller)

[honest tulip]

Dang what are the chances of finding ||Zag|| miniboss 😭

I really just need it for achievement and the last 4 runs at least no sight

[brave gate]

He can only be in the mid region shops

So not the ones right before the boss

[nova oar]

40% chance in any midshop

[honest tulip]

I know but I've been seeing the mid shop each time and no ||zag||

[jolly hound]

I tried, but Poseidon wasn’t cooperating

[still mantle]

I'm starting to get more nightmares, what aspects should I get/upgrade

Also how tf do I get gale and hecuba?

I saw them like... once

Before I unlocked familiars

[craggy totem]

They're always in the exact same place

[still mantle]

Where?

[craggy totem]

I thought you said you saw them before?

Or was that at the Crossroads and not a run

[still mantle]

Crossroads

[craggy totem]

Ahhh, okay.

[still mantle]

Where the hell are the in runs????

[still mantle]

TELL ME

[craggy totem]

Officer, there's a fish screaming at me

[nova oar]

Hecuba is in echo room, Gale is in olympus shop before prom

[still mantle]

Ok

Thanks

[still mantle]

Where in echo room?

Hope i don't miss it

[nova oar]

You can't dw

[broken creek]

In the big circle after echo that has the doors

She'll be like dead center between the doors kinda hard to miss

[still mantle]

And yet...

My Hermes speed blitz ass

[nova oar]

You need permission from hecate tho

[still mantle]

Ah

[brave gate]

Jesus Christ why am I so bad at rivals Chronos

[craggy totem]

You don't need permission from Hecate to 1) use your eyeballs to behold the doggo or 2) pet the doggo, tbf

You just get that ability for free

[still mantle]

I do need permission from my adhd brain for it to pay attention

[craggy totem]

*I would like to clarify that you do NOT get the ability to pet the doggo using your eyeballs. The eyeballs are for beholding, not for petting.

**For the ability to pet the doggo using your eyeballs, please refer inquiries to Chaos

[still mantle]

And nobody answered my other question.
What aspects do I upgrade now that I've started to rack up nightmares

I've already got a few at decent level

[nova oar]

Whichever one's you want

They're all viable

Except selene we hate selene

[craggy totem]

Selene is fine u r just a h8r

[still mantle]

But isn't the hex just.... bad?

Isn't nyx just... better?

[craggy totem]

Just because other things are better doesn't mean it's not viable

Everything is viable.

Even the hex isn't actively bad, it's just Not As Strong As some other options.

[still mantle]

Well I currently have medea, circe, pan, and nyx at level 5

[nova oar]

Try charon then

[still mantle]

Got it at level 1

Still performs decently lol

Had a few good runs

Charon is one of those ones where level just isn't as influential

Like it matters

But in my limited experience, not as much as, say the hestia rail in hades 1 starting at 50 damaged for the power shot

[nova oar]

It absolutely makes a big difference

https://imgur.com/a/RgvBMdn

[craggy totem]

If you're primarily worried about how much bang for your buck the levels are, IIRC the most "do not even bother at level 1" aspects are Nergal and Morrigan

[nova oar]

You get builds like this

[honest tulip]

I'm starting to think ||Zag|| Is a coward and only puts up his invites when I'm literally NOT in the mood

[crisp comet]

How does Supay hold up when compared to Moros aspect?

[craggy totem]

Moros is way easier and more flexible

[honest tulip]

Because I'm literally doing this run for the fates here and running Circie without a familiar

[nova oar]

Not as good but still strong

[honest tulip]

and WHO shows up in Eribus when I don't even have a cast boon!?!

[crisp comet]

Seems like it could be good for high fear with the auto attacking? Moros just the best though huh

rush boon build hm

[nova oar]

It's base damage is so low that it really sucks after 50-55f

[crisp comet]

I see

I don't anticpate getting that high of fear tbh

[nova oar]

No point building rush half the time

[crisp comet]

My record in h1 was 48 but I'm struggling more with h2

[still mantle]

5-30% does

But 5-10. Then 10-15 then 15-20 don't as much

[still mantle]

Bro's still on 2 fps

Does Artemis give me the morrigan waking phrase?

Goodbye chat activity, you will be missed

[honest tulip]

THERE we go ||Zag||

It's a wonder what having extended reach, and FIREBALL can do

[still mantle]

I don't CARE HOW SMALL THE ROOM IS OR HOW MAN ORPHANS ARE IN IT I

CAST

FIREBALL

[honest tulip]

REAL

[fathom lake]

Hestia:

[still mantle]

Are you team glowing coal or controlled burn?

[fathom lake]

Glowing Coal works better for the duo

I dont like controlled burn a lot but its cool

[still mantle]

Just like demeter. Kindly old grandma, the second theres a fight: THEY SHALL HAVE NOTHING

[honest tulip]

Glowing Coal

[fathom lake]

Demeter:
WATCH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DO A SPELL I DONT KNOW MEL

[still mantle]

My first successful run was with staff special build

[nova oar]

huh

Isn't the point to get it to rank 5

[still mantle]

Yes

[still mantle]

But the point is that it still does its job fine at rank 1

[fathom lake]

I got that recently its very fun on the staff
Controlled burn popped at 50k
nice

[still mantle]

Slap on Apollo or hera

Dual moonshot

Free build

[fathom lake]

Or aphrodite for me*

[still mantle]

Yeah if you want BIG NUMBEREERR

[fathom lake]

I was running jeweled pom so i was working with what i had

[still mantle]

Is there any way to force somebody (Artemis) to tell me the waking phrase for a weapon (daggers) yes I have an aspect at level 5. OR DO I JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE DIALOGUE TO MOSEY ITS WAY INTO THE BOX.

[fathom lake]

There must be videos about it i have no idea
Iwas pretty far into the game when the secret aspecta came out

[tropic ravine]

you cant really force it like that, bnut if its been alot of runs with her and she hasnt saiud it you may have done something wrong in the prep

[still mantle]

Like?

[tropic ravine]

(copied from ign) Before you even have a chance to unlock the Hidden Aspect, you'll need to ensure you have all six of the Nocturnal Arms unlocked and acquired. After that, do the following with each weapon:

Unlock the three base Aspects.
Raise the rank of at least 1 Aspect to the max (Rank V)
    In our testing, we did the Aspect of Melinoë, but any Aspect seems to work.
Speak to the member of the Unseen associated with the weapon you want the Hidden Aspect for. When they're ready to give you the waking phrase, a large, glowing exclamation mark will be over their head. You may need to get through other story-driven dialogue before you get the waking phrase.

for me aspect of melinoe didnt work soo

but there usually quite cheap compared to aspects to max out so worth a shot

[still mantle]

Oh I have to get the base aspects?

[tropic ravine]

yep

[still mantle]

Crap

Guess im gonna waste my stuff on Artemis

Already have level 5 pan

[tropic ravine]

for future hidden aspects, i think some awakening givers are in the crossroads and for that you can purposefully die and keep on repeating until they say it

[jolly hound]

Damn it, lost my win streak cause my dumb ass thought reviving a chronos hourglass would heal me

it healed like 5 health

Pro tip for night bloom gang

[honest tulip]

Ok I am genuinely only missing 1 Keepsake and cannot for the life of me figure out who it is

[jolly hound]

Where is it on the screen

Or what’s it next to

[honest tulip]

I mean I figured the last would be everone's last

but it's between Grandpa & Parents

[craggy totem]

||Fight your brother more times||

[honest tulip]

UGH

I THOUGHT it was him but he died

Also is there a faster way to get Shadow then like... Cooking them one by one?

[crisp comet]

Hard Target says slows does projectiles for most foes

I assume this means it doesn't work on bosses?

[jolly hound]

You need to do a few fights vs him to get it. Shadow: there’s a few prophecies that’ll give you 3

[honest tulip]

Ye unfortunately I think I ran out of those 😔

Welp gotta cook up 6 for an aspect

[nova oar]

This is incorrect and outdated

It has to be a rank 5 non mel aspect

[tropic ravine]

alright thanks, ive noticed that too i just copied and pasted lol

very annoying how ign doesnt update their things sometimes

For the last phase thing of eris, when she turns off her shield and quickly goes somehwere else, during this time is she invulnerable? Ive never been able to get a singhle shot a

[nova oar]

Yes

[wide wigeon]

dude what is born gain even good for its so buns

[crude dragon]

It's the best general-use MP regen

Shrimply get more MP

[wide wigeon]

it js primes my mp till the next one thats it right? ion get it

im doing the all weapons one rn i dont wanna do medea aspect

[crude dragon]

It fully refills your MP bar and then primes away what it says

Multiple times, until you have fully primed out

This resets every room

[real scarab]

it's the best gain for high Magick hungry builds. Just increase your max magick and you're fine

[wide wigeon]

and then what im left with no mp

[crude dragon]

Well, Medea's widely considered the best aspect in the game once you learn how to use it

[wide wigeon]

I js learned how to use skull melinoe idk if I can use medea

[crude dragon]

Alternate attack and special until everything's dead (this will not take long)

[tropic ravine]

Watch a guide there’s one combo that is extremely easy and kills everything and everyone

[wide wigeon]

im not putting effort into this ill js beat typhon and never use it again its not like im doing competitive or speedrunning

[crude dragon]

Yes, but unless you only have 100 MP or so (and/or are doing Righteous Pike torches), it'll take a while to fully prime

[tropic ravine]

Then your choice, buttt I’m just saying

[real scarab]

take silver wheel

[tropic ravine]

I guarantee you , have only 120-150 magik and that will carry you with even typhoon and chronos

I use a hammer where it’s 25 magick per attack and it’s never gone to 0

[wide wigeon]

first and last time im using this twin dw lmao

[nova oar]

Say born gain primes 20 and you have 150 magic, that's still 500-600 magic

At minimum

[broken creek]

Yeah even the like base 70(?) With persistence becomes like 300

One magic pot spikes the amount like crazy

And most things die before it matters

[wide wigeon]

wait a minute medea might be class

[crude dragon]

I wasn't lying when I said it's widely considered the best aspect in the game

[tropic ravine]

Yes you finally understand

The second it clicks everything crumbles with 2 buttons

[errant crow]

What do you guys like running on your charon axe?

[nova oar]

Lucid gain and geyser spout

With either apollo or pos cast

[real scarab]

flutter flourish and rapture ring, hit them in the face

[fervent oar]

can someone hint me how to unlock hidden aspects in hades 2 without spoiling?

[nova oar]

You need to unlock and upgrade more aspects

[queen cosmos]

Some random person will invoke the fifth

[wary vale]

what has Hera gone through that she can't believe someone will just give her a gift lol

[errant crow]

okay I've decided bird doesn't exist in my game

I just have to live a life of no bird

I just finally got credits

never saw birb

[limpid frigate]

on each weapon, you need to have one of the 2 aspects that is NOT the aspect of melinoe at max level, then speak to one of the npcs. I wont say who, but for every weapon you will receive the waking phrase from one of the aspect bearers

[timid vigil]

Fountain room in erebus

[cunning laurel]

yea hes there everytime

[errant crow]

wat

[tropic ravine]

(Not in game) a horrible husband who likes to cheat at any chance

[nova oar]

Been there since you unlocked frinos

[errant crow]

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

howwwwwwwwww

[full wing]

You don't want to know, mate.

[nova oar]

You may be blind

[errant crow]

I think I am

[jolly hound]

Zeus has so many kids that ChatGPT couldn’t give me an estimate. Hera has like, three kids. That.

[gusty maple]

And she threw one of them off Olympus

[rich salmon]

Is there a term for the gods in hades 2 who give boons but not in the traditional way, i mean like artemis, Athena, Dionysus and hades
Like is there a group name for them?

[nova oar]

Region npc's

[supple dagger]

I didn't get raki forever, until well after I beat the game, I think I was 55-60 hours into it before it spawned. Sometimes you just don't get a node, no shame in it.

[nova oar]

He spawns after you obtain frinos, you missed him

[supple dagger]

No, I looked him up and knew how to obtain him, just never got an erebus fountain room with him in it until 60ish hours. It was probably hour 55 I saw him the first time, then hour 60/65 I saw him the second time and got him.

Raki is the Hypnos Hades 1 friendship grind/Icarus Hades 2 relationship grind of the familiars. Gale and Toula spawn in static locations that appear every run, Hecuba spawns in a little rarer area, and Raki the rarest.

[jolly hound]

but he’s an absolute unit. Epic pressure points and hunters mark every run

as they say in Philly, go birds

[hollow crest]

my ninjas, this any good? first 24 heat run

https://imgur.com/a/v95VzBt

[timid vigil]

I would go frenzy but I'm frenzy pilled

Also frenzy makes time 3 easier

[jolly hound]

Time 3 gets easier with frenzy but otherwise yeah yoh should be good

[hollow crest]

i haven't tried Frenzy on surface so i dipped out

[hollow crest]

my runs are 10mins long it doesn't matter tbh

[timid vigil]

10 mins without frenzy on surface is pretty damn fast

[craggy totem]

I wouldn't recommend Rivals 4, and also ftr Menace and Shadow are both vows that hit harder on the Surface compared to UW

You know those machine gun bots? Now put them on a super crowded Thessaly boat full of burning oil

[jolly hound]

that’s actually incredible, I’ve yet to break 10 on surface

[median plinth]

denial and hubris can be reasonable depending on aspect

[craggy totem]

Denial is always pretty reasonable, I think

You just have to remember to check what's left

[median plinth]

denial is just annoying

[jolly hound]

Hubris is either free or totally screws me over there’s no in between. I hate denial but I get why it’s not the worst choice

[median plinth]

bricking your build is such a feel bad

[craggy totem]

Just don't 5get ;P

[median plinth]

it's easier than many other options, but just annoying so if you can handle the others, you can skip it

[jolly hound]

I take hordes 3 and not denial on 40 fear tho, I’m crazy

[median plinth]

that definitely is crazy to me

[timid vigil]

insane

[craggy totem]

No yeah that's objectively What Are You Doing territory 😆 More power to ya but oh my

[still mantle]

Isn't hubris just.
Take off excellence?

[nova oar]

Not that you should ever have excellence on

[timid vigil]

You should not have excellence either way

[median plinth]

hubris is just "sometimes you take a magic pot instead of gold"

[timid vigil]

But hubris can be a pain for omega heavy aspects sometimes

[median plinth]

or sometimes it's entirely free

[timid vigil]

Not that big of a deal tbh

[still mantle]

Well my unlucky ass cannot get a boon rarer than common otherwise

[median plinth]

jpom is (always) the answer

[timid vigil]

Rarity is not that important

[nova oar]

Either incredibly easy problem to solve or not a problem at all

[nova oar]

Rarity isn't needed at all

The right common boon is almost always worth more than a random epic one

[still mantle]

Yes

[nova oar]

Unless it's heph or pyro technique

[still mantle]

But I'd rather get the right epic one

[jolly hound]

I don’t have a reason beyond it’s less annoying than revanants and wards and at this point I’m just committed to the bit

[still mantle]

Ok. This entire chat is gonna send a drone strike to my house but.

[timid vigil]

The difference from common to rare (which is what excellence affects) is so little it's not worth 5 grasp

[nova oar]

Oh no

[jolly hound]

Especially w jpom which essentially makes everything epic anyway

[still mantle]

Im at 50+ runs, several successful ones, i still have origination at level one and have never equipped it

[broken creek]

What are you doing twin

[still mantle]

Flash fry goes from 60 to 90

[median plinth]

playing with a weighted vest

[broken creek]

Thats the strongest and easiest damage buff in the game

[still mantle]

Glowing coal goes from 60 to 90

[jolly hound]

Drone strike is too expensive, I’ll just recommend you get on the origination train

[timid vigil]

Please mention a good boon

[jolly hound]

lucid gain 40 to 85 mana

[timid vigil]

You could have mentioned like nitro boost goes from one to two

[broken creek]

Flash fry is niche asf for top fear/speedruns and glowing coal is niche at best

[timid vigil]

Which is actually huge

[old veldt]

are there any other boons like lightning lance or demeter gust on cast that affect the cast but dont take up the core slot?

[hollow crest]

idk i never take damage in thessaly

[still mantle]

Aprodite special goes from +100% to 150%

[still mantle]

That too

[jolly hound]

The hestia fireball cast thing

[old veldt]

is that it?

[broken creek]

You know how much jpom gives it

[jolly hound]

Howling soul

[still mantle]

GLOWING COAL

[hollow crest]

surface was hard until i learned typhon and learned how to make a good build. olympus peak was by far the hardest thing in this game for me

[broken creek]

It makes it like 200+ at common

[timid vigil]

Isnt 150 epic?

[still mantle]

150 is epic for attack im pretty sure

[jolly hound]

Same tbh

[timid vigil]

Idk it's been so long since I've played with no jpom I don't know base values anymore

[broken creek]

Rarity is not important unless youre hermes or heph icl

[timid vigil]

The good thing about this is that you've pretty much played on extra hard mode so as soon as you upgrade and equip it youll instantly be able to clear like 10 fear higher than whatever you could before

[still mantle]

Ok

[wide wigeon]

how many times do i need to beat ||heracles to deepen relationship||

[broken creek]

Also isnt excellence multiplicative, so its actually like 3% instead of whats listed

If even 3%

[timid vigil]

Idk for sure

[broken creek]

Ik for a fact it's multiplicative I just dont know the base chance of epics

[craggy totem]

It's not that, it's that you need to ||meet him at the Rivals fight, get the appropriate dialogue, and then talk to him outside of the Rivals fight as well.|| I don't believe you need to actually win

[still mantle]

Random question: does Zeus hitting typhon with lightning do anything?

[broken creek]

Where's plasma dragon when you need em

[timid vigil]

Excellence only affects rares

[still mantle]

Like besides stun him

[broken creek]

Still 😭

[median plinth]

it's effectively part of the boss battle

[still mantle]

How much does rivals typhon affect that part

[broken creek]

Its just a phase transition

[timid vigil]

It's one of the many DPS checks

[still mantle]

Oh ok

[timid vigil]

You can do enough damage to phase him immediately to eggs 2 or not

[storm glen]

i thought 250 was epic aphro spec

[still mantle]

So having chronos's dumbass instead doesn't do much

[broken creek]

A ton

[still mantle]

Except remove the window

[broken creek]

He also puts a bunch of bs on screen

[still mantle]

True

[wide wigeon]

ah gotcha thanks I did do it twice so I thought maybe like 3 times I gotta beat

[nova oar]

You what

[timid vigil]

idk

[nova oar]

I'm assuming y'all straightened this out

[broken creek]

Ik the amount of people that read orig and think its mid is dubious

[craggy totem]

Make sure to also check in on him outside of that fight (hopefully without other dialogue getting ahead in the queue)

[still mantle]

I just didn't think it was worth the five cost

[timid vigil]

I don't understand how

[broken creek]

But excellence is??? 😭😭😭

Twin what are you on

[nova oar]

Yet you take excellence :imgonnakms:

[broken creek]

Like yes please give me a terrible % chance for minimal damage instead of 50% damage bonus for breathing

Global mind you

[craggy totem]

The difference between being able to proc Origination and not being able to proc Origination has literally killed me before, it's a big DPS drop

[timid vigil]

I think it's the "two curses" because I think a lot of people don't understand what a curse is

[broken creek]

Its the whole reason 67 struggles icl

[timid vigil]

Because reading is hard

[nova oar]

Real 😭

[broken creek]

God forbid people read tooltips 🥀

[still mantle]

I thought "AT LEAST rare" meant it affected the chance for every tier

[nova oar]

Arcana can quite literally double your damage after 2 boons

[broken creek]

Even then its not worth it

[still mantle]

I did know it was privileged status

I just didn't use it

[nova oar]

You gain a 50% chance for rare boons and the chance for legendaries goes up to 7.5%

[broken creek]

And privilege was the best thing in h1 😭

And it was lower in that game

[still mantle]

I don't particularly like the arcana system in h2

[broken creek]

Like wdym you turn down free damage that warps the game around it just for a chance at seeing blue 🥀

[median plinth]

are you using literally in a figurative sense? it's 50% not 100% right?

[craggy totem]

Origination on its own is 50

I think she's including other arcana as well

[median plinth]

ah

[broken creek]

50% global received iirc? So in practice its more than 50%

Like 50 base 50 from boon = 100 going out so orig affects the 100 not the base 50

Unless im stupid and am too hsr pilled

[median plinth]

yes... orig affects the 100 and makes it 150

[still mantle]

OK I GET IT YALL TIME TO FIND SOME MOONDUST TO UPGRADE ORIGINATION

[median plinth]

but that isn't double damage...?

[broken creek]

Feels like it

[median plinth]

it's still a 50% increase?

[cunning laurel]

she meant more arcana like furies and strength

[nova oar]

Origination, plus furies, plus strength

[median plinth]

ok

[still mantle]

At least I got one thing right

[median plinth]

I don't have the impression that most people play strength

[nova oar]

Most people play strength

[still mantle]

Ok, now I feel less insane

[nova oar]

I play strength for low fears up to 50

[broken creek]

Most people play low fear so most play strength

[timid vigil]

most people do until you get to higher fears

[broken creek]

I only play strength at 62 for practice and I highkey hate it

[median plinth]

really?

[timid vigil]

or at least most people should cause like, its so good

[wide wigeon]

ive js been doing judgement runs for the last 20 runs lmao

[cunning laurel]

ive heard many people just see no death defiances and never use strength

[jolly hound]

Where’s the line when defiances become the right choice again? I’m running strength at 40-45ish

[broken creek]

40% dr is huge when things only deal 3 damage

[median plinth]

I've never primarily played strength. I've definitely tried it

[timid vigil]

imo pain 3 scars 3

[broken creek]

and with full healing too

The second pain/scars is on then yeah it should leave unless you're cracked

[nova oar]

Ew

[broken creek]

Ur ready for 65f twin

[nova oar]

Around 50 for me

[wide wigeon]

fym ew

[nova oar]

Judgement is bad

[broken creek]

50+

[wide wigeon]

😔✋️

[broken creek]

Scars3 doesn't go on until 60->62 and for me pain doesn't go on until 55->60

But ik some people put pain3 on before like hoards3

[nova oar]

I do hordes, then grit, then pain, then scars

Then forfiet

[broken creek]

I do grit then hoards

[median plinth]

I mean if you're doing 55 and looking towards 62, it's kind of all the same since you're gonna do them all

[broken creek]

Since id rather things have more hp than multiple entire new bars

[nova oar]

55 and 62 are very different

[timid vigil]

😭

[broken creek]

60 -> 62 and 65 -> 67 are the hardest jumps 😭

Scars2 you still can mess up

[median plinth]

I guess, but I mean if you're planning to do 62, I just kind of picked whatever for 55 since I knew I had to do them all anyway

it's not like I wanted to pick the easiest 55f just to clear it, since it was merely a stepping stone

[broken creek]

Ahh yeah that's fair

[median plinth]

I would be surprised if someone climbed to 55f and said "yup, that's my goal" and stopped

62 is just right there

[broken creek]

Then 67 is just 5 away 😌

Thats where they get ya, thats how im here

[median plinth]

yeah then I try it, die in room 2 and laugh

[hollow crest]

i died to eris 2

how tf do i detonate her bombs... i dashed with Medea and insta died

what am i supposed to do with Medea there??

[timid vigil]

either oattack i guess or have a damaging cast

aphro, demeter

[inner arrow]

What’s the point of forging bonds with the characters other than the little face you get on the keepsake

[median plinth]

I think there are some minor prophecies that give you rewards?

but if you don't care for the story, I don't think there's a point

[nova oar]

That's it

[brave gate]

Can anyone give me tips/advice on rivals Chronos? Specifically the part during phase 2 where the healing hour glasses start spawning in.

So much stuff is on the screen to where I panic and take a ton of damage.

[craggy totem]

Always pick Deep Dissent if it's offered

[jolly hound]

watch a few on YouTube so you get used to the cluster, helping you not panic. If you’re hitting really hard, just keep hitting him really hard. I love twilight curse vs chronos for this exact reason

and yes, deep dissent over even life tax or gigaros dash is the right move