h2-discussion

[empty schooner]

Ah makes sense lol

[elfin heron]

We did a little trolling

[pseudo badger]

Oops, accidentally released a titan, millions perished

[empty schooner]

Loll rip

[elfin heron]

Chronos wanting to make golden age

Also Chronos: releases a monster that will probably kill everyone

[pseudo badger]

Hades 3 should be about Odin going down Hels.domain to save his son Baldr

I got a new concept

[empty schooner]

Would typhon actually hurt chronos tho? He’s the child of Gaia and Tartarus the void and she birthed him to basically get revenge on the Greek pantheon for getting rid of chronos

[pseudo badger]

[empty schooner]

That’d be so peak ngl

[pseudo badger]

Yeppp

[timid vigil]

That's the whole point of the game, they hate eachother but they are still family, both games treat this, and of course it's not super realistic or accurate to myth, but that's the point where we just accept that it's a game and that's the message it's trying to give to us

[elfin heron]

I mean, he still cant control him regardless

[empty schooner]

True typhon is an uncontrollable monster

Bros literally also the father of all monsters like Cerberus, the hydras etc

[pseudo badger]

I dont agree about accepting things even if they are not well done but w/e, lets agree to disagree

[elfin heron]

Sounds pretty ironic when he pulls this off if he wanted to give more freedom via golden age

[empty schooner]

Also did yall know that in Nordic mythology Loki is the father/mother of the world snake and drapnier the 6 legged horse cus bro basically became a mare and seduced the horse that built the walls of Asgard or whatever and he’s the father of Hel too goddess of death and he’s the father of fenrir too

[pseudo badger]

Bro was busy making kids

[empty schooner]

Ong and most of em are powerful monsters lol

[pseudo badger]

Yeah lol

[cunning laurel]

fenrir too

[empty schooner]

I said fenrir

[cunning laurel]

lol

[nimble rivet]

Shouldn't this be in off topic?

[pseudo badger]

Speaking of bad myth adaptations god of war and marvel did pretty terrible jobs with norse myth as well

[nimble rivet]

It's- it's Marvel. What did you expect? Also God of War didn't necessarily adapt Greek Mythology as much as it got inspired from it heavily

[elfin heron]

We went from calling out Hades take on greek mythology to this lol

[empty schooner]

Well mythology is pretty interesting in general

[elfin heron]

Thor in marvel is so different from mythology thor that he is basically seperate character

[pseudo badger]

Thats how convos evolve sometimes

[nimble rivet]

Regardless, I think this discussion is best suited for #off-topic-discussion

[elfin heron]

Anyway, I wonder why does Dora have cat paws?

[nimble rivet]

Wait... Really?

[empty schooner]

Random ahh comment lol

[elfin heron]

Saying the most random stuff just to be in topic 🙏

[empty schooner]

Who’s Dora

[elfin heron]

The design is based off cat I presume

[elfin heron]

The shade you meet in Melinoe room

[nimble rivet]

Ohhh

[empty schooner]

Ooh yeah her she’s cool

She pretty chill

[elfin heron]

She caught me offguard when I first met her lol

I didnt expect that at all

[empty schooner]

I wonder why all other shades are just nondescript npc type dudes while Dora is so expressive and whatnot

[craggy totem]

Not all of them -- Odysseus is even more humanlike

[nimble rivet]

All shall be answered in the course of Time...

[elfin heron]

Technically some shades look human

[empty schooner]

Odysseus’s is a shade? He looks alive tho

[nimble rivet]

His voice

[empty schooner]

I have all the TIME in the world

[elfin heron]

Some shade keep their form so they look exactly the same as when they are alive

[craggy totem]

All the humans in the Underworld are dead

[empty schooner]

Ohh lol i remember yee but I thought the green ghosts were shades

[viscid citrus]

they are

[craggy totem]

It's just that some of them have retained their memories/personalities/etc. to a greater degree than others

[elfin heron]

The fact Narcissus looked at himself so hard that he continued looking at himself after he died

[empty schooner]

I remember in the beta or whatever he was in a nondescript cloak Wich was funnier

[cunning laurel]

you can see that odysseus has a green aura

[empty schooner]

Ahh didn’t notice that ngl

[elfin heron]

I looked it up and why does the design goes hard

[empty schooner]

Frfr lol bros just a faceless figure in a cloak but looks hella cool

I met narccisus already he gives pretty good rewards so I usually pick his room when I see it

But now he’s a pretty boy instead of cool mysterious pretentious guy

[elfin heron]

Tbh it fits him more considering what he is suppose to be

[empty schooner]

True lol but still I liked the previous design

[elfin heron]

I wonder whats with his hands being covered in fish scales though

[empty schooner]

Idk 🤔

Interesting design choice

[empty schooner]

Maybe because he’s always staring into a pool of water admiring his reflection?

🤷‍♂️

[elfin heron]

I mean, you can see his legs being covered in vegetation

That implies he kept staring for so long that it took over him

[empty schooner]

Ah yea that makes sense lol

[elfin heron]

Also I just found the crow from Hades 2 in moreparz video

Absolute cinema

[empty schooner]

Neat 😎

Also btw yall got tips on what keepsakes I should go for first im using schelemiicus keepsake rn ngl

[timid vigil]

What do you not have unlocked yet?

[elfin heron]

Moros pin is alot better considering you can save your main death defiance

And any boss turns into punching bag for 10 second the moment it triggers

[craggy totem]

They're pretty early in the game iirc

[cunning laurel]

god keepsakes are good starts

[timid vigil]

If you wanna like get the best ones I would recommend Odysseus and Moros

[empty schooner]

Ooh nice I think I got that one, that’s the one that has the doomed effect right?

[timid vigil]

But get them all eventually they're neat

[empty schooner]

I got his too his is the bone knuckles right?

[timid vigil]

Yeah

[empty schooner]

Nice so I already got moros and Odysseus ones

[timid vigil]

Did you get narcissus?

[empty schooner]

What’s that one

[timid vigil]

Phial

[empty schooner]

Uh don’t think so? Who that

[timid vigil]

It's one of my favorite ones, it increases the rarity of one of your common boons when you drink from a fountain

[empty schooner]

Awesome

[timid vigil]

On max lvl, it turns a common boon in heroic, if you plan your build well you can try to target a specific boon to transform in heroic

[elfin heron]

Yep, doomed effect

[empty schooner]

Very nice

[elfin heron]

Basically Hera boon with extra steps

[timid vigil]

When you put it that way

I still really like it a lot

[elfin heron]

A consistant way to buff boons is always nice

[crude dragon]

TBF, Bridal can only work on boons that can get pommed

[nimble rivet]

what if there is no boon to bridal glow?

does it not spawn in that case?

[cunning laurel]

interesting ill test it rq

[nova oar]

It hits itself

I think

[hearty fog]

Hephaestus? More like Hebaestus, amiright?

[cunning laurel]

yup heroic bridal glow, weird

[nimble rivet]

bridal glow was already a money machine, because you can remove bridal glow without affecting the boon that was bridal glow'd

heroic bridal glow? money money moneh

[craggy totem]

What if the Bridal Glow was already Heroic 🤔

Oh, hm, I see the prereqs in the wiki say that you need at least one non-Heroic boon from a core god

Weird that it doesn't require it to be a pommable one

But wait! What if you Calling Carded the Bridal Glow....

[buoyant matrix]

it gets more levels

[craggy totem]

So it can still hit itself despite already being Heroic in that case?

[buoyant matrix]

bridal glow won't get offered unless you have another boon

[craggy totem]

But if the other boon is unpommable?

[buoyant matrix]

probably won't be offered

[craggy totem]

Hm... hidden prereqs then huh

Oh, hm, it's completely blank in-game, I guess they only list prereqs when it's something that can be summed up as a complete list of (rarity-agnostic) boons (or elements)

[rustic basin]

This used to exist and would allow you to Pom and rarify un-Pommable Boons

[buoyant matrix]

stutter step

[rustic basin]

You could essentially have a dash with no cooldown if you got Stutter Step, yeah LOL

[crude dragon]

I don't think anyone landed Bridal Success Rate, sadly

[craggy totem]

I'm imagining it, what a wonderful world

[elfin heron]

Zagreus with his 5 dash all over again

[empty schooner]

lol I liked that

Zag jus be dashing everywhere lol

Also I just beat Cerberus a couple minutes ago

[elfin heron]

Imagine the double dash on hades 2

[empty schooner]

It’d be lit lol

[wide wigeon]

alright so do i need to fight ||typhon or the tail is done and its over?||

[craggy totem]

For what?

[wide wigeon]

nah im js at the top and idk who the final guy is i was thinking if it was that

[craggy totem]

Ah. The Tail is not the final guy.

[wide wigeon]

what was that other moster name? the one that smashes the ground

[craggy totem]

Spawn of Typhon?

[wide wigeon]

it js said moster vanquised

[wide wigeon]

yeah

peak game

also about the weapons ||is black coat good||

[craggy totem]

All of the weapons are good enough to beat the game, and whether they are good for you depends on your preferences and playstyle.

Experiment around and see what works for you.

[nova oar]

Yes

[wide wigeon]

AHH HIS HEALTHBAR IS GONE

nah thats crazy idk how long i lasted

[grave gorge]

Did you make it to a phase transition?
(You'd know if you did)

[wide wigeon]

is that him spawning minions

prolly not so id say no lol

[grave gorge]

Time for another run, then!

[crude dragon]

That is a phase transition

[tropic ravine]

Im gonna tweak out

I am NOT doing the chaos in hell achievement

[nova oar]

Which one is that again?

[tropic ravine]

I have to do the trial greater underworld chaos trial thing

[nova oar]

ooooo I love those

[tropic ravine]

I didn’t mind the easier version but TWENTY fear

Should be 10 or 15

[nova oar]

It's not much no

[tropic ravine]

Actually

It’s not BUT

[nova oar]

20 is very low fear, it's the random arcana that get you

[tropic ravine]

My rng is bad

[tropic ravine]

For me it’s a mix of keepsake, arcana and fear

Slight weapon

Atleast I don’t have to do twice in a row

But that was easy ngl

[nova oar]

I mean I did 40f all aspects to get better at great chaos trials

But it's just resetting and rolling till you get a good seed

[jolly hound]

Try a few rounds of frenzy 2 hordes 3 pain 3 grit 3 and then it’ll be easy by comparison

[nova oar]

Once you can clear 62f it becomes easy so I'd recommend that first

[real scarab]

why can't I access h2crossroads wo/ a vpn now

[craggy totem]

Huh. Works fine for me. Weird.

[tropic ravine]

what website is that

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[tropic ravine]

oo what does it dod

do

[nova oar]

Let's you make arcana and fear loadouts, has leaderboards, enemy stats, and other info

[dusky inlet]

Haa

[nova oar]

Gay

[dusky inlet]

No

[harsh haven]

||I called what the secret boss was going to be back in early pre release and I'm so stoked I was right. Secret boss hits hard though!||

Spoiler^^^^^^

[nimble rivet]

can you summon multiple beasts with night bloom?

[nova oar]

No, just one, but you can combo it with the other summon options

[elder knot]

how do people play this game i feel its way more difficult than hades im still dying to the first boss 😭

[nova oar]

Are you using the cast and omegas?

Also you're super weak at the start so

[fast vortex]

is it worth going for medea on high fear surface runs? like whats the priority w visiting her

i've been going basically every time but im looking at some runs that choose not to visit her

[nimble rivet]

lame...

it does make sense because hot dayum are the summons stronk

[nova oar]

Unless you really really want another reward, it's faster and safer to take her last

[buoyant matrix]

the secret is to use your cast

if at any point you thought you're casting enough, you're wrong

[nimble rivet]

i tried a summoner build

failed...

[noble sapphire]

aspect of persephone skull seems absolutely goofy

does the longer Omega Special duration (the "rooted" passive) scale off of how many damaging curses are on enemies total, or does it invisibly tick up a number each time i inflict them, or what

[noble sapphire]

i slept on cast for a bit esp when i had no cast boons, but it's an important spacing tool

not actually sure what casts do unmodified- slow/lock enemies? i think only omega cast does damage by default

in fact yeah
regular casts are free so you should always have them SOMEWHERE on the field, i believe
because they offer crowd control

[buoyant matrix]

it scales with damage, every 1 point of damage increases the duration by 0.001 seconds, maxing out at 2000 damage and 2 seconds

[noble sapphire]

waow...

it has i-frames and it seems really absurdly good when you get it at high duration

[buoyant matrix]

just snares the enemies yeah

[cunning laurel]

its not invisible btw, theres a charge bar like thanatos or nergal

[noble sapphire]

all i saw was the shells bar

does that light up separately from the [n]/4 counter?

[broken creek]

Depends what you mean by high fear

<=45 sure you can ignore if you think another reward would make up a timer deficit, 50+ its kinda a must since timer will kill you in Olympus if you arent careful

But you specifically take medea and miniboss rooms as the final rooms since later rooms always have higher enemy density

[cunning laurel]

the other 2 skulls have only the x/4, persephone has a charge bar right next to it

[nimble rivet]

aspect of dababy

(let's go)

anyways, remember when i joked about ||chronos making me experience time non-linearly in rivals 4 phase 3? Turns out, he does make time flow non-linearly in a few attacks! His singular scythe swipe actually does explosive residue into the actual swipe as opposed to the other way around in his previous phases. That is so cool!||

[limpid oar]

oh so that is why I was getting hit by that, I just thought the radius of the explosion was so large I'd take hits while standing somewhere "safe"

[noble sapphire]

it feels very funny to just switch to the purse to buy a death defiance

[nova oar]

Taking purse over chrolex?

[nimble rivet]

mid region shop has one that's why

[nova oar]

Still makes no sense

[nimble rivet]

kiss of styx encountered in mid region well --> not enough money to buy --> can't go chrolex because no guarantee of getting kiss of styx in any other well/health too low to proceed and scared that they'll get hit --> gold purse --> kiss of styx acquired --> profit

[broken creek]

Just dont die again 😌

Plus chrolex means more money for mid shops which means more healing, shields, boons, and on the event there is another kiss of Styx in a later well you can get it no problem plus the shop before chronos has a high chance to have one too

You give up a lot to spend your whole trinket on just a dd

[silent current]

Hey all I have a question about the ||secret ending|| - I just ||finished the fates quest to find them and had a chat with them - is that the entirety of the secret ending or is there still more to do?|| also I don't want any spoilers about it

[broken creek]

Uhhhh theres like one important conversation left

[silent current]

Awesome, I take it ||just more playing will get me there?||

[nova oar]

Yep, and talking to hecate

[silent current]

Will I know when it happens? Like a cutscene or something?

[nova oar]

No, but you'll know

[noble sapphire]

well the thing was

i lost dd really early on due to a silly mistake, and wanted to get another
i couldnt use chrolex because i had fate dice, it was literally not an option

[silent current]

Awesome, thanks!

[noble sapphire]

so regardless of the value proposition, and while i was leaning toward it due to a kiss of styx being in the shop, it was a nonstarter this run

[nova oar]

It's only one dd you would've been fine

[broken creek]

Still, opportunity cost and all that

[noble sapphire]

well this is like the highest fear i've ever had

i was operating off the known-knowns of 'oh there's a kiss of styx and i don't need any other specific keepsake the next region'

also an olympian one would have been scuffed because i have vow of denial so it would have just onioned

generally i just swap to tooth at the last leg of a journey in case of any spaghetti last second

[nova oar]

You mean forfeit

[noble sapphire]

sorry forfeit

[nova oar]

Take pin instead

[noble sapphire]

anyway i don't know that it was the 100% ideal thing to do, but it was funny
also my pin is unranked

i don't want to take pin on this run when it's not ranked at all

[nova oar]

If it was fields I would've taken onion and gone for the echo refill

[broken creek]

The rank doesnt matter too much, you take it for dd safety and 10 seconds of free damage on a boss

[noble sapphire]

this was in the space between erebus and oceanus

like i said i got beefed on a dd by a silly mistake during the hecate fight

getting squished into a corner while polymorphed

the 'not enough money -> purse -> buy the thing i want' strat at charon/hermes just makes me think of mr krabs saying 'hello! i like money'

[nova oar]

Taking purse in oceanus is nuts

[noble sapphire]

i wanted to refill my death defiance and had a way to do it

don't do what i do kids™

[broken creek]

Idek what rerolls takes int region2 besides like fig

[nova oar]

There are 3 npc's that can do that

[broken creek]

And ik it wasn't high enough fear to warrant fig

[nova oar]

Fig is best anyway

[noble sapphire]

uhhhh who can even do that, narcissus, hermes shops

athena, but i'm doing underworld not surface

echo can do it

[nova oar]

Narcissus, echo, and athena

[broken creek]

You can still spawn her

[noble sapphire]

true but not while i still have several more dd

[broken creek]

Gorgon pops regardless of route

[nova oar]

Tank all dd's in sirens, take gorgon, have two chances for refills

[noble sapphire]

these options exist but weren't the options i actually had immediately at hand, or at all, b/c of the whole 'i have fate dice' thing

[nova oar]

Genuine strat

[noble sapphire]

huh. i will have to consider that

[broken creek]

You have rerolls so you can purposefully lose dd against scylla then force athena with rerolls to renewed faith

[nova oar]

Means you take better keepsake region 2 and likely get dds back

[noble sapphire]

h2-discussion is funny b/c sometimes i feel like i got jumped by socrates in the symposium going 'ok but have you considered that strat is dogwater' and it's like
"socrates while i am mildly annoyed by your candor i cant deny you have a point."

i like becoming a better player of this game so the advice is nice

[broken creek]

Me and luthien play too much high fear 🥀

[buoyant matrix]

in underworld you can take experimental hammer
other than that silver wheel, moon beam and gonion are options that come to my mind rn

[noble sapphire]

i'm just playing really sweaty because this is the highest fear i ever played on

[broken creek]

What's the vow setup

[nova oar]

Amen

[noble sapphire]

but like, my sweat glands arent as developed as plum and luthien's so my sweat tactics are subpar

uhhhh i can't check my vows i'm in a cutscene

[buoyant matrix]

i have the highest sweat tactics 💪

[noble sapphire]

regretting my life decisions taking the ||zag contract|| because i have yet to beat him and i have a lot of dd to do it in anyway

[limpid oar]

purse to buy kiss of styx definitely is a choice, I'd sooner sell my core boons to afford that DD than waste a keepsake

[nova oar]

Stinky ass mf

[noble sapphire]

oh my god ||when i first fought zag and got him low i was like 'wait he doesn't have death defiance does he' and then he did and i just became skull emoji||

i. don't know that that's not 1.0 spoilers so i am editing it

[limpid oar]

that is 1.0 spoilers so good call

[noble sapphire]

i don't have purging pools unlocked outside tartarus

[limpid oar]

i uh forgot that's an unlock i thought they were just there 😭

[noble sapphire]

anyway i realized during that fight that i was suddenly losing an almost entire health bar in one shot and then i realized ||i had two cast gems lodged into me|| and about spit out my drink

[limpid oar]

my save is too old

[noble sapphire]

you have to use the tartarus/end region pool a certain number of times

to unlock it elsewhere

[nova oar]

3 times yes

[limpid oar]

ohh right i think i unlocked that one instantly because by the time they added the pools to the game, an EA save already met the pre-req

[noble sapphire]

okay certain ||zag|| moves hit like a truck on nitrous even without any ||cast gems|| partly because i have the extra damage vow on

[nova oar]

Ea players knowing everything about the game except 1.0 prerequisites

[nova oar]

What fear are you playing

[noble sapphire]

16f

[broken creek]

I played my main file on 1.0 and still dont even know the reqs 🥀

[noble sapphire]

i wanted to progress night's champion for the bragging rights

[broken creek]

I just did stuff and things happened

[noble sapphire]

ok yeah he folded me like a newspaper

[nova oar]

You have pain on at 16f

[nova oar]

Nights champion is 32 and 24 is it not

[noble sapphire]

still had to progress it homie it's in stages

and i wanted to get used to it progressively

[nova oar]

Oh fr?

It was so long ago

[noble sapphire]

yes you unlock the statues as you keep doing each 'tier' o skelly's challenge

[nova oar]

Ohhhhhh ok

[broken creek]

8/6 -> 16/12 -> 32/24 😭

[nova oar]

Yeah I remember 😭

[broken creek]

Holy knowledge check

[noble sapphire]

anyway some of the vows are really cheap i think but i still don't have experience with them

like with a fast weapon wards 1 is beans

timer doesn't seem bad at least on the first level or two, i am a fast player

[broken creek]

Wards2 is a joke with any weapon that isnt axe

[nova oar]

What vows are you running

[noble sapphire]

let me check what they were now that im dead as hell

[broken creek]

If you want 24/32 setups let us know because lots of people make the game hard for no reason

[nova oar]

I have an amazing 62f setup

[broken creek]

Void4 62f when

[noble sapphire]

pain1 grit1 wards1 frenzy1 hordes1 menace1 return1 fangs1 debt1 forfeit hubris1

[buoyant matrix]

remove hordes and it's free ong

[noble sapphire]

pain1 grit1 and frenzy1 were a phenomenally bad idea to give to ||zagreus||

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzUsMywyLDYsMywwLDIsNSw0LDIsMiwzLDYsNSwwLDIsMTJd

[noble sapphire]

i definitely bit off more than i could chew taking that optional fight

[broken creek]

You have rivals yeah??

[nova oar]

Horrible setup

[broken creek]

Yeah its gross

[noble sapphire]

i have rivals 1 unlocked

[broken creek]

Then do that at least lemme make you a 16f setup

[noble sapphire]

yeah to be clear this was my first time ever running 16f

[buoyant matrix]

i fought him on a 62 fear run and mf was highest or 2nd most damage dealt

[noble sapphire]

i was trying to build around things i thought i could handle

[limpid oar]

looks pretty solid, you're good to use this for your all aspects 62f

[noble sapphire]

evidently, i was slightly mistaken

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMF0=

[broken creek]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDIsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMl0=

[noble sapphire]

part of the issue is that i've only fought him twice so even with his fat nasty telegraphs i was still getting hit by the bigass ||spear|| moves

okay i saw it guys

[buoyant matrix]

yeah you don't even see the telegraphs in frenzy2 lol

[broken creek]

Shadow over rivals1 🥀

[limpid oar]

shadow's literally beneficial in erebus

[noble sapphire]

also yeah shadow over rivals1 sounds phenomenally worse

[nova oar]

I MADE ANOTHER ONE

[noble sapphire]

rivals1 would literally just mean i fight hecate unrivaled who i beat first try

[broken creek]

Yeah but then I have to put up with it in every other region

[nova oar]

Shadow is so free tho

[limpid oar]

rivals 1 is a very cool fight but it's some of the hardest 2 points of fear out there

[noble sapphire]

@nova oar sorry i thought you were repeatedly posting the same link because i was reading the middle and not the beginning

[broken creek]

Why would I make 1 chance of a miniboss quicker when 1) i could never run into it 2) rivals1 is over after hecate

[nova oar]

No they're all different

[noble sapphire]

as you may or may not know rivals 1 poly took my lunch money and also a kidney

[nova oar]

I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WANTED TO DO RIVALS

[noble sapphire]

i think rivals is just a less worse option than shadow

[nova oar]

Rivals 2 is free tho

[noble sapphire]

like i heard shadow boar is absolutely wretched

[noble sapphire]

I Don't Have It Unlocked

[broken creek]

Rivals hecate is a joke assuming you get to have fun(<=50)

[limpid oar]

surface isn't real yall, the only route where you can push fear is underworld

[buoyant matrix]

oh shadow boar isn't too bad
but satyr champion?
lord have mercy

[nova oar]

Unlock it

[broken creek]

I hate shadow Satyr champion

[noble sapphire]

i think i just need to match fear for the testament because theres literally no reason to crank fear unless i want those 12f+ item pedestals or night's champion progress

hubris (the greek kind not the vow) is very much my undoing here

[broken creek]

If you get rivals4 your fear fr becomes 90% rivals

[timid vigil]

Shadow dracon is the bane of my existence

[noble sapphire]

how do i actually prog rivals anyway

[broken creek]

Beat both rivals, talk to selene -> repeat

[buoyant matrix]

rivals2 needs you to have beat UR hecate, UR polyphemus and meet charybdeez in thessaly

[noble sapphire]

ah ok

operation 'scam ur polyphemus' is a go, eventually

part of this game is 9/10 times if i fight a boss for the first time i am GONNA get polished

[nova oar]

Rivals 2 is super easy don't even worry

[noble sapphire]

ur hecate is actually the only exception

[buoyant matrix]

this is misinfo btw

[broken creek]

Rivals4 is super easy don't even worry

[nova oar]

Nuh uh

[timid vigil]

no it's not

[noble sapphire]

i've died on the first try of every boss in the game except rivals hecate

[nova oar]

Yes it is be quiet child

[noble sapphire]

frankly i would play rivals 2 just because i want to hear scylla's new song without looking it up

[broken creek]

We're talking about 16f not 62 🥀

[nova oar]

I did all my rivals first try

[buoyant matrix]

it's still pretty hard for a 16 fear setup

[noble sapphire]

i'm going to photoshop the darkness item pickup into a big sweat droplet and make it into a crown to give to you /lh

[buoyant matrix]

unless frenzy0 makes it free idk i haven't turned off frenzy in ages

[nova oar]

Yes please

[broken creek]

Frenzy0 makes the game too slow icl

[noble sapphire]

i like frenzy and hordes because i play ultrakill so 200 dudes jumping around like gibbons on bath salts is just kinda par for the course

[nova oar]

Frenzy 2 is how the game was designed

[timid vigil]

Frenzy 0 makes everything kinda free tbh

[noble sapphire]

also hordes is funny if you get onkill bonuses

[broken creek]

But when I dont have grit3 hoards3 wards2 return2 timer3 breathing down my neck plus the world's worst erebus(2 boons(one is hermes)) the game is pretty ez

[noble sapphire]

salty spitoon melinoe

[nova oar]

'When you're not playing the game with all the extra difficulty, it's actually really easy'

[noble sapphire]

i do really like that this game isn't so much hard as it is tricky and you have to learn what to do and not to do, upon which you can reliably clear the game 0f even with half a leg sawed off, but you can MAKE it hard voluntarily

[broken creek]

16f mindset ong

[buoyant matrix]

holy based

[broken creek]

I could be doing 67 but instead 16 is free in comparison

[nova oar]

I could clear 16f 1000 runs in a row

32, even

[broken creek]

50 even

[nova oar]

Maybe even 40 if it wasn't rivals 4

[limpid oar]

rivals 4 + frenzy 2 alone is more than 16f isn't it

[nova oar]

I'm not that good

[limpid oar]

or is it exactly 16

[noble sapphire]

is it normal for me to be able to purge a boon again after i unequipped chrolex

[nova oar]

With timer it's 24

[broken creek]

If i dont have to touch most of grit/hoards i can do whatever and win

[nova oar]

18

[broken creek]

Fates whim is always active even when you take off the keepsake

[nova oar]

Me omw to do 1000 40f clears in a row

[broken creek]

Hence why the fw keepsake takes is jpom -> chrolex -> whatever -> pin/antler

[limpid oar]

lion fang slander

[broken creek]

Why lions fang when I can antler 😌

[nova oar]

AMEN

[limpid oar]

antler doesn't even work on scorch

[broken creek]

Don't do scorch dummy

[limpid oar]

sometimes the fates decide you do scorch tho

[nova oar]

It works on the attack applying scorch

[limpid oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVO44uHu5qc thanks to scorch i finally got 62f morrigan

[timid vigil]

droplet is the better pick
(I'm bad at the game and will die if I pick antler)

[noble sapphire]

gale is a nice familiar if you are running no death defiance i think

'why heal from damage when you can just not take the damage'

[nova oar]

Droplet final region is buns when you have pin and fang

[broken creek]

Gale is the most consistent familiar period

[limpid oar]

(I didn't get an attack boon until final fields encounter)

[pseudo badger]

maybe this is a cheese, but can I farm bones this way? start the chaos trials that are poseidon boon focused, first boon offers you the option for the ash,gold etc. reward boon, claim thw 120 bone, restart trial?

[nova oar]

Gale is high fear meta anyway

[nova oar]

You don't get the rewards unless you die/win

[noble sapphire]

what are the best hidden aspects? i know that supay is buns

[nova oar]

Supay is so good

[broken creek]

After a certain point you only really end up taking raki/gale unless you desperately want hecuba or toula for like 2 weapons

[limpid oar]

anubis

[pseudo badger]

ah, so i only get it if I complete the run? but even then 120+50 for the repeatable option for a 5min run is not too bad

[noble sapphire]

what. somebody told me supay was terrible and barely usable

[limpid oar]

hel is slept on too

[broken creek]

Nergal 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[timid vigil]

Supay is really good and fun

[noble sapphire]

i'm aiming for shiva, then hel, then anubis

[nova oar]

They lied

[noble sapphire]

i have nergal and morrigan

[cunning laurel]

supay 62 uw is making me upset

[nova oar]

They're all good except hel

[noble sapphire]

r/n i'm farming nightmare

wait -hel- isn't good?

[limpid oar]

supay has a miserable start but that doesn't matter in low fear to be fair

[broken creek]

At high fear(62+) its insufferable

[nova oar]

No

[timid vigil]

morrigan is the best aspect for the blades

[broken creek]

Another 62f+ making it insufferable moment

[noble sapphire]

"if you play the game as hard as humanly possible this aspect is buns"

ok, let me rephrase the question

[timid vigil]

REAL

[broken creek]

Yeah

[nova oar]

Mel trick knives:

[noble sapphire]

are any of the aspects buns in non-torment nexus gameplay

[timid vigil]

Hel is buns

[nova oar]

The humble 67f

[broken creek]

No everything is great

[storm glen]

no

[noble sapphire]

okay

[limpid oar]

selene, why would you even want to play that thing

[timid vigil]

trick knives is cheating

[noble sapphire]

i don't think i could play at >60 ngl

[storm glen]

well maybe pan actually

[broken creek]

Every weapon has cleared 62f, weapon quality doesnt matter until then

[noble sapphire]

i like aspect of pan..

funny kniv go woosh

[nova oar]

Worst blades btw

[noble sapphire]

aspect of pan makes me feel like a touhou character

[broken creek]

Chiron got turned into some knives and it sucks buns 🥀

[noble sapphire]

is aspect of moros worth ranking?

[timid vigil]

pan is garbage

[nova oar]

Moros is really good

[broken creek]

Its super strong so yeah

[timid vigil]

Best aspect

[noble sapphire]

okeydoke

i think i figured out that if you trigger the omega special, aspect of moros just turns into a constant explosion machine

[broken creek]

Yeah basically

[timid vigil]

Yeah that's it

[broken creek]

Add in stuff like fine line, blitz, hitch, and everything explodes

[nova oar]

Staff:

[broken creek]

Every other aspect when the humble melinoe staff walks in

[noble sapphire]

i kinda wish i could write a tiny note neck to my arcana decks rather than just icons

[timid vigil]

Moros is still my favorite aspect in general

[nova oar]

YES

[limpid oar]

honestly I'd rank both anubis and circe over mel staff

[noble sapphire]

i have pom meaning fates whim and house of hades skull meaning no death defiance

[nova oar]

Outside of ultra fear yeah

[noble sapphire]

i feel like i need at least one or the other or else i'm setting myself up to get polished

[nova oar]

Huh?

[broken creek]

What why didnt you take dd 😭

Are you doing judgment??

[noble sapphire]

i. what do you mean. i wanted to run perma strength and athena

i didn't do it on fear i just wanted to try it

[nova oar]

H u h

Whats the arcana setup?

[noble sapphire]

please remember i am not trying to play these decks against like 60+f

[nimble rivet]

melinoe staff is just too iconic

[nova oar]

😒

[broken creek]

Dawg idek what you mean by house of hades skull besides persephone and in which case why no dd 🥀

[nimble rivet]

it is so iconic that it gets a buff

[noble sapphire]

i am just 3 years owd :(

[limpid oar]

howling soul maybe?

[noble sapphire]

as in i mean, the hades deck icon

[timid vigil]

I think they're talking about the card icon for the arcana setup

[nimble rivet]

judgment!

[noble sapphire]

not a boon, i'm saying what i themed the decks after to signify the arcana

[broken creek]

Oh ok

[limpid oar]

chat I am lost

[noble sapphire]

because i can't write notes ingame they have to be visual

[nimble rivet]

where are you?

[nova oar]

Horrible thing

[noble sapphire]

the pomegranate icon = 'you're at fates whim/jeweled pom'

[broken creek]

65f my beloved

[limpid oar]

idk

[nimble rivet]

it is quite fun, honestly...

[noble sapphire]

house of hades skull = 'no dd, buckle your butt'

[nova oar]

No it's not

[broken creek]

Still waiting for the luthien 65f

[nimble rivet]

for me it is!

[noble sapphire]

judgement in fairness is purely about luck

it could pull cards that are great or total cheeks

[broken creek]

Gonna start counting now actually ill call this day1

[pseudo badger]

i just did a 90F run

[pseudo badger]

isnt there a way to get all the arcanas with it?

[nimble rivet]

he's found it

[noble sapphire]

💔 playing with a busted air conditioner

[nova oar]

NOT HAPPENING

[nova oar]

Yes but it's ass

[nimble rivet]

c'mon now rescuing beren was wayyyyyyy harder than 65f

[noble sapphire]

i wish i could right click an arcanum and say 'this should never be turned on anyway' like if i'm trying to only have fates whim on that deck

[nova oar]

Idc how fun it is

[nova oar]

I DIDN'T HAVE TO TURN OFF MY ARCANA TO SAVE HIS SORRY ASS

[noble sapphire]

an entire incantation to prioritize a keepsake is the dumbest

i do not use the feature at all

[broken creek]

Just roll origination and furies off of erebus ez

[nimble rivet]

ARCANAS WEREN'T A THING BACK THEN

[cunning laurel]

you dont have jpom favorited?

[nimble rivet]

DO IT LIVE

[nova oar]

YOU WEREN'T EVEN THERE

[broken creek]

Its convenient i always have jpom favorited so I dont have to change constantly

[nova oar]

Yes same

[timid vigil]

it's kinda useless but it helps when you're speedrunning

[buoyant matrix]

or doing high fear runs

[nimble rivet]

WHO DO YOU THINK TOOK PICTURES AS PROOF TO SHOW TO YOUR FATHER???

[timid vigil]

yeah

[nova oar]

😒 😒 😒 😒 😒

[timid vigil]

i need to remember to change it, I have Zeus keepsake pinned cause I was trying to Speedrun with medea

[pseudo badger]

who is stronger lorewise? The Great Schelemeus, Commander of Time and Space, Creator of All, or chaos?

[nimble rivet]

chaos

[pseudo badger]

wrong answer

[nova oar]

SINCE WHEN WERE YOU IN THE FIRST AGE

[broken creek]

Probably skelly icl

[timid vigil]

King Vermin solos both

[nimble rivet]

this is true

[pseudo badger]

true

[broken creek]

Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb as question

[nova oar]

King vermin is the easiest miniboss 😭

[noble sapphire]

is it me or is 'weird little dude who spins' just an enemy in every supergiant game that can have them

like spindles from erebus

[nimble rivet]

mini polish cow

[broken creek]

Its silly when I see some enemies and im like "Oh hey I should replay bastion/transistor"

[timid vigil]

That's cause he's holding back

[noble sapphire]

very cool of you to nuclear bomb the exactly 1 enemy remaining in an erebus tile athena

i am so glad athena doesn't just make the tile take twice as long like icarus

[broken creek]

Wait athena in erebus?? 😭

What's the goal

[nimble rivet]

athena when she pulls up with divine intervention but i've already sent all the enemies back to dust

[noble sapphire]

i wanted to rank the keepsake

[cunning laurel]

last gasp 400%

[noble sapphire]

never used it. so. you know. rank

[broken creek]

Fair

[nova oar]

Can't be worse than the figurine in erebus reddit players

[nimble rivet]

figurine?

[timid vigil]

lol

[noble sapphire]

oh my gosh the dash deflect has no cooldown besides the dash itself. neat

[nova oar]

Circe keepsake

[noble sapphire]

i need a mod that turns the melinoe voice grunt when she revs up nergal to the 'SUBALUWA' from ed edd n eddy

[nimble rivet]

??? i am confusion why WHY

i need a mod that turns phase shift into ZA WARUDO!

[noble sapphire]

thorn-weeper: catch these hands
me dashing right into them with the athena dash: catch YOUR hands

[nimble rivet]

complete with voicelines, sfx, and fx

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/FtXXtnj

Peep the list

[nimble rivet]

why are you hitting yourself? stop hitting yourself

[noble sapphire]

the nice thing is that when you take a break from high fear the game is just hilariously fun to stomp once in a while

[nova oar]

Why i love speedruns

[nimble rivet]

concave stone in d is deserved

[noble sapphire]

enemy spawns in
i give them a love tap with nergal
enemy is no longer part of this world

i wonder if there are vis mods for this game because nergal being a giant hammer would be a fun one

pair it with hephaestus attack

[nova oar]

Thank you

[nimble rivet]

discordant bell must be speedrun/high fear tech because it suuuuuucks for me

[noble sapphire]

the repeated wallop attack is really funny with the hera boon cause it just sounds like a bunch of peacocks going absolutely mental

[broken creek]

Drop the listmaker link

[cunning laurel]

nope everyone agrees it sucks

[nimble rivet]

HULK SMASH (beats the everliving lights and divinity out of peacock)

[nova oar]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-2-keepsakes-patch-4-1423517

[noble sapphire]

btw, does it matter who you choose first in a family dispute? you get a boon from both, does one get a higher average boon rank? (aside from how they try to kill you)

[nimble rivet]

question: why is doom pin in s while tooth is lower

[nova oar]

Pin is better than tooth

[nova oar]

No it's just whoever is easiest to deal with

[cunning laurel]

tooth doesnt have 10 seconds of being invincible

[nimble rivet]

right i forgot that you can stand barrage the rest of the encounter with doom pin

[noble sapphire]

pin seems great if you can reliably win once you trigger it
does doom popping kill you outright or take a dd, i forget

[broken creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912456622440325213/1451940091927986206/image.png?ex=69480015&is=6946ae95&hm=42afcea90e6008c977030648f002ec2a14c0ada8771692a2ce5a14e689b86862&

[real scarab]

how are hammer and wheel in the same tier with purse

[broken creek]

is it not embedding im so sad 😔

[timid vigil]

don't pick Hera second that's all I'm saying

[nimble rivet]

i could swear that the one you choose first gives better boons but i don't think that's true

[noble sapphire]

<- bearer of the curse

[cunning laurel]

if doom expires it uses a dd

[nova oar]

Yeah I'd agree with this

[noble sapphire]

otbs i did get to see gale block a literal line of murder from hera, which was funny

[real scarab]

builds and combat channel is open to embeds

[noble sapphire]

you go little polecat

i love all the different dialogue chronos has when you bring different things to fight him
he sees gale and it's just 'a weasel bred for war???'

[nova oar]

Not if you cutscene the boss

[nimble rivet]

i will send you to shayol ghul for this apollo disrespect

[nova oar]

A weasel bred for war goes hard tho

[broken creek]

hera is better 🥀

id take hitch over heinous affront cope and hitbox size any day

[nimble rivet]

clearly you've never felt the sun shine on your skin in your life EVER

[noble sapphire]

i used to think the daze noise was some really goofy thing and then i realized it was a slightly discordant pluck on a lyre

[timid vigil]

hera is better that being said blinding rush is my favorite boon in the game

[broken creek]

i need the every boon tierlist maker icl

(i dont even remember half of the symbols cuz theyre that useless for what i do)

[noble sapphire]

'i hope you have 200+ little icons memorized'

[broken creek]

found one 😌

[nova oar]

Can't be worse than haelian

[broken creek]

mine will be specifically high fear context ig

gotta pull up the wiki for boon names atp i do not remeber like 70% of these

[noble sapphire]

does anybody have a list of what the greek lines like the 'no special quote' incantations are

like askion kataxi (?)

literally instantly forgot how hecate said it 😭

[grave gorge]

Ask yon tabaxi 🙂

[noble sapphire]

i would ask but i don't see any catpeople around

[nova oar]

Ass yak tabasco

[cunning laurel]

i know the fandom wiki has the quotes on each incantation

[noble sapphire]

askion kataski might be something to do with shadows and light

oh apparently askion kataski/askei kataskei is a direct quote from the Greek Magical Papyri

fun fact, actually, i did practice hellenic polytheism for a bit including specifically worship of hecate

[grave gorge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephesia_Grammata

[noble sapphire]

a revivalist form, and surely not terribly accurate to antiquity, but still

[grave gorge]

So, basically, ancient greek for "abra cadabra"

[cunning laurel]

how did you get into that

[noble sapphire]

well, i got into the occult in high school and my ex-wife was a hellenic revivalist who personally worshipped several theoi but worked especially often with hecate due to being a witch herself

[limpid oar]

what aspect should i attempt a 62 with next? I've got momus, arty/pan blades, mel/charon axes, selene/shiva coats left

[broken creek]

selene

[nova oar]

Shiva

[noble sapphire]

i think as a very involved trans activist, my ex personally got something from worshipping hecate, what with Her being a goddess of liminality

she and i parted on extremely good terms tho, to be clear

[limpid oar]

alright, expect me to complain about the weapon being unplayable shortly

[noble sapphire]

naturally ! /lh

[grave gorge]

It's a poor craftsman who blames their tools

[nova oar]

Amen

[noble sapphire]

but yeah a few times i would leave crossroads offerings to hekate and then not look back so as to respect her and the shades
on at least one occasion i remember hearing -very- weird noises behind me on the way home

[cunning laurel]

selene gave me a dull knife with no handle

[noble sapphire]

then you're just gonna have to hit people with it extra hard

[grave gorge]

Sturdy bookmark 🙂

[noble sapphire]

huh i did realize, nergal is better with strength because you stand to take less damage, so chips are less of a problem = nergal healing is better

[glacial light]

True

[grim hearth]

does giving the olympians gifts do anything past the first time?

they have like heart thingies but idk if im just wasting nectar lol

[nova oar]

Gives you dialogue and can advance storylines but early game save it for one per person till you've got all the keepsakes possible

[grim hearth]

fckkkk i like poured 4 into aphrodite 😭

pretty woman mind control ggs

[limpid oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/925113924855140417/1451950199206576279/image.png?ex=6948097f&is=6946b7ff&hm=115e9be56c5d5f883bc7f4465c4fd1a8f14017518f8f1cc9e8433ecbd73bc06c& shiva moment

[nova oar]

Skill issue

[glacial light]

Fr

[buoyant matrix]

if it's underworld it's genuinely just skill issue dawg 😭

[hearty idol]

Skill issue (2)

[limpid oar]

Maybe I just reset for gigaros

[grave gorge]

[neon turtle]

How does the aspect of charon 1-shot bosses?

[grave gorge]

...(for those that don't know, that's the guy who said the skill issue thing)

[cunning laurel]

idk about one shot but it does have high burst

[buoyant matrix]

giga cleaver and/or apollo legendary with a good %boost on your special
poseidon or apollo on cast with geyser spout and cast damage bonus from chaos
double dip your casts with giga cleaver
lastly add as much global damage boosts and crit chance as you can

[pseudo badger]

which arcanas should i focus to upgrade first? i have the DD on max already, i guess the one that gives more damage for 2 curses next? what else is a gamechanger to upgrade first?

[cunning laurel]

origination, dice, and lovers come to mind

[noble sapphire]

'death to chronos' kicked in on my yt shuffle mid-fighting eris

incredibly cool vibe, the main theme kicking in during a postgame fight, like it was a chance to reflect

especially since eris is, second to moros, the person i've been pouring the most gifts at

[noble sapphire]

especially since i basically facerolled the fight (though i'm at very low fear), the music being comparatively chill and not frantic felt like it nodding at how much progress melinoe made

(& how she and eris are kinda just fooling around at this point)

also i got a 'rarify after every 3 encounters' level boon with the help of the demeter keepsake and oh my goodness it is delicious.

[grave gorge]

Steady Growth my beloved

[noble sapphire]

Actually Quite Explosive Growth

[grave gorge]

It's either the best boon you could get or the worst, and nothing in between

I wanna use demeter keepsake to force a 3-room Steady Growth as boon 1 and then just see what silliness results

[buoyant matrix]

it's the boon i never get because of denial

[grave gorge]

This makes perfect sense

[noble sapphire]

aspect of persephone is RIDICULOUS

[buoyant matrix]

aspect of "just hit"

[noble sapphire]

i just charge it up super fast and then ignore whichever attack i suck at dodging entirely

[grave gorge]

Yeah, it would probably be a Persephone run if I do it

[buoyant matrix]

oh the invulnerability

yeah that's pretty neat too

[noble sapphire]

i think i facerolled prometheus in like 30 seconds of time he could actually be hit, not counting the silly fire lanes

[grave gorge]

Persephone: "I'm more than just free boon levels, you guys"

Sure you are, sweetie

[noble sapphire]

'time cannot be stopped' whatever. go my spooky scary skull

[noble sapphire]

[droolingly] 2 seconds of i-frames

[grave gorge]

It is nice, I admit!

[noble sapphire]

this really groovy like, surf-chill music from hylics started playing in the space between olympus and summit

man my yt shuffle is just on top today

[pseudo badger]

Ty

[noble sapphire]

sshorter dash cool down + aspect of persephone + rapid driver from experimental hammer has turned this game into mario kart

[blissful bane]

What do you mean I can't pick up a kiss of styx death defiance just because Athena replenished my death defiance??

[noble sapphire]

me want styx
me want death defiance 'lix'

got momus to tier 5
next run circe didn't say anything
this run she didn't even show up

circe i am going to post receipts of you cursing scylla it's just gonna be me posting the enchantress card art on twitter dot com

oh my goodness i got Tall Order to proc
hello flat 25% damage boost

martial art
another flat 35%

why could i not be this lucky on a run with more fear. good gravy

[jolly hound]

its less luck and more you took both heph and ares lol

[noble sapphire]

i got zero ares encounters this entire run

[jolly hound]

whos the other rock god idk offhand

[noble sapphire]

i got martial art in the last random grab bag of the run

[noble sapphire]

demeter also gives earth

[jolly hound]

oh true

[noble sapphire]

okay i got facerolled by typhon because i was too incautious

my dps was high but so was my
uh.
pps (pain per second)

esp. rough because that was the last thing i needed to get a bunch of n.mare from the list

[jolly hound]

you’ll get him next time

Now you can use the nemesis keepsake at the summit and it’ll be 30 percent easier

[noble sapphire]

truuuuu

i've always sort of wondered what nectar and ambrosia would be like
they make me think of like a cinnamon apple juice sort of thing and then a strong cider or mead

[buoyant matrix]

i have never drank any of these

[noble sapphire]

they both use g. apple but ambrosia also has myrtle and iris (which irl i feel like would both be kind of gross but i'm not sure)

well the berries of myrtle are edible, but iris is toxic

[craggy totem]

I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of those was straight up -- yeah

But I guess if you are a god, it ain't toxic to you 😆

[noble sapphire]

it's fiiiiiine probably . . yeah

i'm of three minds about the eris taverna scene where she says the ambrosia's too bitter for sipping

1. it's bitter because she has babby palette
2. it's bitter because it really is just that strong
3. poison

[craggy totem]

All three

[noble sapphire]

i can live with this answer

[viscid citrus]

Meanwhile Nemesis chugging a bottle

[craggy totem]

Nemesis enjoys bitterness

[noble sapphire]

iirc somebody said that the trash wrappers eris leaves around resemble chimera jerky so it's just
eris survives on a diet of jerky, monster energy and cigarettes she stole from somebody else (she eats them)

[craggy totem]

Oh no it's not that they resemble chimera jerky, they literally are Cyclops Jerky wrappers

[noble sapphire]

ohhhh ok
cyclops jerky is from h1 right

[viscid citrus]

Eris littering actually annoys me so much

[craggy totem]

IDR

[viscid citrus]

I hate cleaning it up lmao

[noble sapphire]

i thought the trash can was supposed to make it all picked up when you picked up one but maybe that was misinfo

[craggy totem]

But it does raise the question of: is this Cyclops-branded jerky, like made by cyclops, or is it made of cyclops

[viscid citrus]

No but it gives you the incantation to do that

[noble sapphire]

[pointing at eris] garbage baby. trash. (i love her)

[noble sapphire]

that's weird because i swear i didn't ever get that incant

[craggy totem]

Nope, the cosmetic doesn't give you the incant

[viscid citrus]

It’s part of the requirements

[noble sapphire]

[viscid citrus]

There’s more than just building the trash can but it’s one of them

[noble sapphire]

fun fact: i was also briefly a Discordian, so seeing eris in this game was a pleasant surprise

[craggy totem]

I could swear I got the incant before the cosmetic

[viscid citrus]

You need to pick up a certain number of trash, gift 2 ambrosia to eris, and build the trash can for that incant

IIRC

[noble sapphire]

will characters only take non-nectar items when the corresponding heart is there

like, there's no 'wrong way' to gift, right?

[craggy totem]

You can just try with whatever isn't greyed out, although it's not guaranteed they'll accept

[noble sapphire]

also wow discord shaking its entire window when you type during slow mode is a profoundly terrible uiux experience for me right now

[craggy totem]

User Experience experience

[noble sapphire]

true

it's like when you take a step in pokemon with a poisoned pokemon and the screen goes wharrgarbl for a second
which is incidentally also what my brain is doing sometimes today

[craggy totem]

You've been poisoned (by impatience)

[noble sapphire]

if you only knew how right you are

(i'm weaning off an ssri and the brain zaps are somethin else)

[grave gorge]

For the longest time I would only pick up Eris's litter when she wasn't there to see me do it

[craggy totem]

Go away, Zeus

[grave gorge]

Okay sorry boss

[restive condor]

Hello

[noble sapphire]

meowdy

i . . did not know nato had a discord server, even if unofficial
that's a genuine surprise

[craggy totem]

Are you Zeus??? 😲

[noble sapphire]

i have so many of the advanced gifts but nobody wants them tonight

<- bearer of the curse (waiting for the 2 nightmare to arrive to craft aspect of shiva)

oh wait, i need glassrock, this is actually perfect

[grave gorge]

Yes, but I'm Zeus from The Hades Calculus, not from h2

(If anyone needs a book recommendation, there ya go, enjoy)

[pseudo badger]

night arcana only applies to omege attacks right?

[crude dragon]

Correct

And specifically, alternating between different Omegas

[noble sapphire]

i thought you just had to spam them, that makes it a lot easier to use them properly

cardio gain + the omega cards + nergal goes nnnuttttyyyyyy

[pseudo badger]

and which blade is better, melinoe or pan

until I unlock the special one

[grave gorge]

Mel imo

[pseudo badger]

ty

[grave gorge]

But try both and see which one you like

[pseudo badger]

i did but didnt notice a big difference

same gameplay kinda

[grave gorge]

Yeah, p much
You have to work to do the Pan thing

I should do an Artemis blades run, it's been a while

[noble sapphire]

i imagine mel blades is very good with something like demeter to get enemies to stay facing one direction

[grave gorge]

Honestly I don't even think about trying to backstab

[craggy totem]

Heresy

But you don't really need Freeze at all, it's a fairly mobile weapon

And that's before you even factor in the boomerang special

[grave gorge]

It just a nice bonus when it happens

[pseudo badger]

i just wanna unlock the 4. aspect, apparently thats the strongest

[grave gorge]

But the daggers are so good in general that you don't really need to do any extra work

[noble sapphire]

i love the chrolex
'bones? gold :)'

[pseudo badger]

the mobs on olympus are incredily obnoxious

[wary vale]

just got hades 2 pog

[grave gorge]

Good luck! Hope you don't like having time for other hobbies!

[wary vale]

hey hades stole a few good weeks from me i dont mind h2 taking the same or more

[noble sapphire]

just got level 12 flutter strike from echo
ridiculous. I love it

this much closeup bonus damage. . on a weapon with mostly close range attacks

[grave gorge]

🤝

[noble sapphire]

delaying the last tile of tartarus to farm chrolex is sooo funnnyy

boon? GOLD
moon? GOLD

to me it seems like one of the best uses is to farm gold right before the shop so you can buy nmare/dust/cards/etc

eagold

[pseudo badger]

how do you delay?

[noble sapphire]

just pick every single non-countdown door you can, ie, avoid roman numerals

[pseudo badger]

ah

sometimes i dotn get any other doors lol

[noble sapphire]

oh my goodness i got not one but two incredibly well timed drops of this song when fighting chronos

one when he switched phases and one when he popped one of my death defiance

ough (it was 'bite me' from murder drones s3 apparently?)

[verbal rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/bite-me-uzi-murder-drones-gif-6990307034912877995

[pseudo badger]

is there anything indicating if i cleared all the nightmare challenges on a weapon like in hades1?

[foggy sable]

rival hecate feels like she's consistently the hardest fight in my runs

even if I have rival scylla on

[viscid citrus]

that’s crazy. I never have much trouble with rival hecate.

[foggy sable]

shes almost always the only thing taking any defiences in a run lol

[viscid citrus]

I find rivals hecate tries to conceal her identity a lot less than her “easy” counterpart. The real one is always running at you

And if she’s using something like dark side, that’s usually the real one

[noble sapphire]

yayyyy i can make the aspect of shiva

[buoyant matrix]

no more testaments for that weapon in the oath

[viscid citrus]

Shiva is really fun.

[pseudo badger]

:/ hades1 had a text saying all rewards are cleared

[viscid citrus]

It’s also big that aspect of shiva omega attack rushes you forward instead of pushing you back

Small change but very nice

[noble sapphire]

so if i understand it right
omega special and stay in the blast zone to gain Destructive
then fire omega attack to consume destructive stacks for mondo damage

[buoyant matrix]

you also get a little text here saying "the (weapon name) has no testaments, but the (weapon name) thirsts" or something like that

[viscid citrus]

Yeah basically

I like Apollo Special because big blast radius

Easier to make sure you’re still in it

[pseudo badger]

ah, that's exactly what i was looking for, thanks

[viscid citrus]

Though I’m playing at like f12-f16 rn so i’m sure someone better has a different opinion

[foggy sable]

which dash boon would you consider to be the worst?

[crude dragon]

Aphro

[foggy sable]

fair enough

[noble sapphire]

okay wantler is NOT for everyone

i was doing great and then polyphemus flattened me in like
1 health bar per hit

[crude dragon]

Been there

[pseudo badger]

what the seven hells is the wine bro doing LOL

just got to him the first time

[noble sapphire]

his best

[candid nimbus]

... Is that his best? Ohh, poor Dio

[pseudo badger]

happy haze or worry free? 🤔

[gleaming geyser]

Living his best life XD

[pseudo badger]

or tipsy shot

which one is the best

[candid nimbus]

||In his defense: amazing trans ally, his first reaction after seeing Mel was saying "Nice transition, Zag"||

[noble sapphire]

fitting that a song called revenge is playing as i talk to nemesis

[brave gate]

If you choose tipsy shot, keep it mind your cast is no longer instant cause you have to wait for the lob to land

[pseudo badger]

but in exchange i can aim it at enemies

[brave gate]

Yeah I’m not saying it’s always bad. It can just mess up some builds

[crude dragon]

Drowning his sorrows

[noble sapphire]

it's crazy how subtly yet consistently this game has made me warm up to moros

he just kinda jumpscares you at one point and i've gotten near max relationship with him, i think, and seeing him open up not just in terms of being kind of a goober, but vulnerable, has been so nice

no sight of eris tonight but hello, vaguely eris-shaped pile of rocks

[brave gate]

Eris only shows up on earlier nights if the game thinks you’re progressing a bit too quick

[noble sapphire]

oh no i'm in postgame, to be clear

[brave gate]

Ah ok lol

[noble sapphire]

but it is cool to hear that's how that worked

i just mean she has elected not to be present in the crossroads
[looks at my growing pile of bath salts, fishing lures and drank] her loss

[brave gate]

Yeah I noticed because I made a new save for 1.0 and kept seeing Eris since I already got to Chronos on night 5 or maybe 6 lol

At the start of Early Access she was kind of bugged though

[noble sapphire]

hestia: "oh, watch out for heracles"
next room: [heracles appears]

foreshadowing is a literary device

[brave gate]

One time in early access I got Heracles and Icarus on the same ship and they were standing next to each other. Not sure if that was a bug that’s since been patched out or if it can still happen.

[noble sapphire]

haven't seen it myself but it sounds reaaallly funny

[brave gate]

I think I took a pic to show to my friends. Let me see if I can find it

Omg I did

[brisk dirge]

Lmao

May I know how the hell to ||kill Zag? I died 3 times to him. Also how do I use the staff of Anubis well? It is hard to use!||

[brisk dirge]

Ooh. I really wanna see that

[brave gate]

I sent it in #h2-victory-boasting

Guys is it possible to see Athena (with her keepsake equipped), Heracles, and Icarus all in the Rift of Thessaly in one night?

Had a run yesterday where I saw Athena and Heracles but no Icarus, so I was wondering if it caps out at 2 visitors or I was just unlucky

[craggy totem]

I don't see why not.

[brave gate]

Same but it feels like something they’d do

[craggy totem]

You can get Herc + Icarus naturally, so if you amulet with the prereqs met then that'll be three

[pseudo badger]

wait normal mode typhon doesnt have a 4. phase

and dies after 2. eggs

omg i was so close to killing him then

[elfin heron]

Imagine being so good that the game must nerf you

[pseudo badger]

got eris like 5x before killing chronos 😎

[elfin heron]

I went to the end so fast I thought eris suppose to always show up at the last stage

[brave gate]

I’m pretty sure I had her show up in Oceanus on my first run.

[noble sapphire]

same

[pseudo badger]

yeah she does show up there too

[noble sapphire]

well not first run, hecate polished me first run

but she showed up in oceanus AND mourning AND tartarus like, the first time i got to each

[brave gate]

I was used to Hecate from my fist save so I beat her first time in my new one

[noble sapphire]

yesSSSSS I GOT IRON CORE

[brave gate]

Which one is that again? Is it the Hephaestus + Zeus duo?

[noble sapphire]

it's the unique nergal hammer

makes berserk +2 seconds and an extra hp per hit

so it goes from 1/hit to 2/hit healing, which is Amazing

[brave gate]

Gotcha

I still don’t have any of the hidden aspects unlocked. They weren’t added yet when I played in EA, so I don’t even know around when I get them

Unrelated but I discovered a sort of neat trick the other day. If you use a god keepsake to rarify a boon and then it levels up in the same run, you can use it to rarify another time.

Unfortunately, the same isn’t true for Aromatic Phial

[noble sapphire]

I could get used to Aspect of Shiva

The alternate special is a lot . . IDK, punchier, and the omega reminds me more of Revaal's omega attack

So I can throw it out, rush into the fight, then aim the empowered omega attack due to Destructive at any hard target remaining

[brave gate]

Wish Dionysus’ keepsake allowed you to choose one of him boons like Athena. A chance at one encounter being empty feels so underwhelming

Unless you’re speed running

[brisk dirge]

T_T

[noble sapphire]

not sure about the second, but as for the first, be mindful of the big spear telegraphs and ||DO NOT LET HIS CASTS HIT YOU, they will amplify damage taken by a lot||

[brisk dirge]

Thanks. Any way I can make the Anubis staff work?

[noble sapphire]

i haven't used it yet, i'm gathering the mats this very run actually

[brisk dirge]

Oh and about rhe shiva aspect, It is the only one still locked and selene has not even started to say anything about rhw waking phrase. Any thing I needed to do before I can unlock it?

[noble sapphire]

make sure you have a non-melinoe Xinth aspect at lv 5

[brisk dirge]

Ooooh. Well it only has one attack which is like a cast but I am more into the shooting I think

[noble sapphire]

the game isn't good at telegraphing that you need to do that specifically

[brisk dirge]

Ouch .....that is why

[noble sapphire]

then she will give it through one of her boons

[noble sapphire]

yep this got me too

there's at least one mel aspect i maxed thinking it would unlock the hidden one

[brisk dirge]

I thought I needed to max a Melinoe aspect to unlock it

Also I can't seem to give Selene any gifts and the book says I need to prove to her something using her Aspect. Dunno wth that meant

[brisk dirge]

I gotta farm Nightmare again....

[crude dragon]

Poseidon attack

[elfin heron]

||basically the hades skull direct hit||

[crude dragon]

Apollo is a meme choice and don't listen to anyone telling you it's optimal

[brisk dirge]

I tried it and I died. A lot

But it worked well enough at the Chaos trial

[crude dragon]

I'd genuinely recommend splashes or Scorch since they'll proc on every tick

Blitz is, as always, an option that exists in this game

[brisk dirge]

Blitz barely did damage the second try

[crude dragon]

Also, you'll want a good Special, and I recommend Hitch

[brisk dirge]

Splash or scorch. Got it. I managed to get the hel nd Nergal aspect to the end. Now the rest.

[brisk dirge]

How bout Wounds? Which weapon use it well? I like it or Morrigan or the axe

[crude dragon]

Shiva makes phenomenal use of it on the Attack

Selene needs it somewhere for opening up Grievous and Heinous on the Godsent

[brisk dirge]

The thing is now I need nightmare to max a non melinoe aspect

[brisk dirge]

Right Ares's godsend is on that hidden aspect

[crude dragon]

Medea also makes good use of Wounds on the Attack

[brisk dirge]

Never using it.

[crude dragon]

You never specified

[brisk dirge]

Just saying. Medea is hard to use.

For me.that is. I am more into shooting. Also I don't special.much unless I need to so it was hard

[noble sapphire]

unrivalled scylla, FIRST TRY FIRST CLEAR

[crude dragon]

Nice

[noble sapphire]

also amazing song i'm glad i waited until i reached it ingame to listen to it

[elfin heron]

The only game where you get to see a siren playing rock music

[brisk dirge]

Nice
I almost died to Hecate before I redid the night. I won't be doing it until.i get the aspects I need to max

[brave gate]

I wish the Scylla and the Sirens’ songs had vocals when played in the tarverna

[rustic basin]

Yeh, I’m not good with it at all (had to resort to a primarily Storm Ring run to counteract my lack of experience for 62) but I definitely still recognize its power

[brave gate]

The Athena boon that makes your special send out a deflect helps

[rustic basin]

It’s wild seeing people clear 67s with Medea when I could only possibly see me doing it with a Coat or maybe Mel Skulls

[brisk dirge]

Those people would say we have skill issue

[elfin heron]

Medea skull on typhon is funny

[brave gate]

Do you play with keyboard and mouse or controller?

[rustic basin]

KBM

It’s not a matter of system really, just that I’m bad at timing when I should ‘go in’ with it and not get punished more than a quarter of the time lol

[elfin heron]

Tbh Medea skull expiring on its own makes it bit annoying to use sometimes

[noble sapphire]

the simple fact aspect of shiva doesn't make you bounce a football field away from your target, on a rushdown weapon, already makes it the best xinth

being able to charge destructive and then falcon kick through 15 guys is great

[craggy totem]

Bounce a football field away?

[noble sapphire]

i exaggerate but the recoil is annoying, at least compared to how i want to play

[craggy totem]

I mean, you're not really meant to be using the omega attack frequently on the other coats

[noble sapphire]

fair enough

[craggy totem]

If you do want to though, Shiva is absolutely the aspect

[noble sapphire]

what i expected from black coat was to parry an attack and then rushdown but the bounce made it a little annoying

[craggy totem]

That's more Artemisy

[vital hollow]

I’ve got a question, what does ‘infused damage’ mean on Hermes’ infusion boon? Is just an all around damage boost, or does it only affect other infusion boons?

[noble sapphire]

i haven't really tried artemis, i should

[craggy totem]

Infused damage just means "with this infusion active, you will get this damage buff"

The wording makes more sense maybe for some of the other infusions, where the specific amount of buff depends on how many of x element you have

[rustic basin]

It having any sort of forward movement to the O-Attack is the best, yeah

[rustic basin]

Oh my god please, it’s in my top 3 favorites lol

[vital hollow]

Okay, that’s what I figured it meant, but the wording was just a bit confusing

[noble sapphire]

i do really LIKE lim and oros, and pan is apparently cheeks

and morrigan just kinda had me doing too much math in my head

so maybe i will enjoy artemis aspect

[rustic basin]

Pan’s just in a weird spot. The OSpesh just doesn’t feel good at higher Fear without some major assistance

[noble sapphire]

so how much can xinth block and how does the game determine what's unblockable?

oh man i got the +1 to your aspect boon and with just 3 levels of destructive this thing feels bananas

i am going to upgrade shiva as fast as possible i think

[brave gate]

Am I imagining things or did they make Heracles nicer than he was in Early access?

[rustic basin]

Heph Legendary on Shiva is unfortunately probably one of the worst lol

[noble sapphire]

still, it was a taste of future power

[rustic basin]

Oh, for sure, it is very, very funny

[rustic basin]

Perhaps you’ve just gotten along with him better

[brave gate]

No I started a new save for 1.0 and the last time I played before this save was before Warsong

[rustic basin]

Hm. No clue, then

[noble sapphire]

ok this does genuinely evil damage

that was incredibly satisfying

"oh what's that? you have the big dumb aoe where i have to sit still and wait for it to go away? let me just CHARGE THE SHIVA ENGINE"