h2-discussion

[echo heath]

Yeah

[broken glen]

steam, mainly

[echo heath]

Transistor is on Switch library

[tropic ravine]

whcih should i try

[echo heath]

The others, probably not

[echo heath]

Transistor was my intro to Supergiant, I liked it a good amount

[tropic ravine]

whats it about

omg the graphics are so ahh cheeks

[echo heath]

I think you should just play it lol, it's not super easily explained

[tropic ravine]

( i dont mind them im just used to hades 2)

[dire coyote]

i dont like that game, looks like a mobile game, better version of that is survivor.io

[broken glen]

there are people here who would advocate for each of them. I've personally always loved transistor, but if you don't like games with some dark themes (ESPECIALLY towards the end, some of you know what I'm talking about) try Pyre instead

[tropic ravine]

whcih game

[echo heath]

Bastion is kind of like Hades but definitely has an older game feel to it. And Pyre has been in my backlog, but hope to get to it soon

[tropic ravine]

also did you see my ping

[tropic ravine]

how dark

[west berry]

Does anyone know what was the music they played in the game award i didnt recognise it

[tropic ravine]

same

[nova oar]

They were remixes

[tropic ravine]

on epic games it says this game is great for begginers

what is this crap

[west berry]

Of what😅

[tropic ravine]

AND great character customisation

what customising can you do

[broken glen]

I cannot disclose fully, as it is a major spoiler, but if things like self harm and whatnot are an issue for you, I'd maybe try Pyre instead

[tropic ravine]

oh i dont mind those

[west berry]

Hearing it without knowing it was hades make it impossible to know that

[nova oar]

Olympus aflame and the chronos one

[echo heath]

I was gonna say, the more details you ask the less reason to play lmao

[nova oar]

Idk i don't like the soundtrack ik none of the names

[echo heath]

Feels like most things are a spoiler if you explain before playing

At least with Transistor

[west berry]

Me bing stupid thought they were about to bring scylla out

[broken glen]

yeah you know what I'm talking about

|| 📰 ⛴️ ||

[echo heath]

Yep

Admittedly, it's been a looong time since I played it. So I am fuzzy on some of the finer points of the story

[crude dragon]

||"Hey."||

[echo heath]

Played it when I was still deep in high school lol

[tropic ravine]

reminder that hogwarts legacy is free on epic games btw

[echo heath]

Ok?

[nova oar]

I'm playing it with the wife rn it's pretty good

[echo heath]

Anyhow, Hazard Boom build was a solid way to end the night

[broken glen]

that one word destroyed me

[craggy totem]

Sounds hazardous

[echo heath]

It was haha, almost failed the run

[broken glen]

I replayed it recently and it still holds up really well! There's so many details that are easy to miss (like in the function bios)

[echo heath]

See for Boom build #h2-victory-boasting message

[broken creek]

I need to replay transistor so bad

[craggy totem]

I've probably got several dozen times more hours in H2 than I ever did in Transistor at this point but ngl it's gonna take something really worldbreaking to dethrone Transistor from its place in my heart

[echo heath]

Yeah Transistor could never rival the hours I have in Hades 2, let alone Hades 1

[broken creek]

Transistor imo is their best game period but im also very biased

[craggy totem]

(which is fair, because it's not meant to be an endless game! but yeah)

[nimble rivet]

how does one unlock hidden aspect of the axe

[echo heath]

Yep lmao

[crude dragon]

Same as you do the other ones

[broken creek]

Dump 5 nightmare into axe and talk to charon

[craggy totem]

Same way as all hidden aspects; unlock every non-hidden aspect, max a non-Melinoe aspect, and speak to the one who lent their name to an aspect

[nimble rivet]

all i hear is arrghhh herrmhg khhhhh

[broken glen]

same. (SPOILERS) ||I still remember the dread I felt when Red locked herself out of her own apartment.||

[echo heath]

By playing, you unlock them all pretty organically imo

[nimble rivet]

oh a non meli aspect ok ok

i haven't unlocked any non meli aspect lol

makes too much sense

[broken creek]

Charon and than are both super fun

[echo heath]

That'll do it

[nimble rivet]

i assumed you can just do it by unlocking meli aspect V

[craggy totem]

Nup

[crude dragon]

No longer the case

[nimble rivet]

'Tis time to, as the others say, ball

[crude dragon]

X Pit?

[maiden mirage]

My Glamour Gain was at level 7 (using Persephone aspect, so it started at like 5) and for the hell of it, when Pom Pom Pom showed up with Echo, I had to try it. Level 14 Rare Glamour Gain restores 22 Magick per second, just in case anyone was curious. Lol

[nova oar]

Glamour gain has to be the worst boon to pom/rarify

[echo heath]

Pom ×3 on a gain is criminal

[broken glen]

funny

[maiden mirage]

I had to do it though, for science.

[broken creek]

Born gain when it primes like 2 magic 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[nova oar]

Should I do Mel or selene sub 10 sf next someone decide for me cause I don't want to do either

[craggy totem]

Selene

[broken creek]

Selene

[red fox]

Selene

[broken creek]

But no ares godsent

[craggy totem]

:)

[nova oar]

I ignore it entirely anyway

Will update y'all after I finish making dinner

[broken creek]

Blue mel aspect 😌

Much like how nyx is a purple mel aspect

[nova oar]

Basically gonna highroll zeus and hera in erebus

Or pos exhaust riser

[craggy totem]

WDYM Erebus

[nova oar]

EPHYRA

I'm so tired

[echo heath]

One of my runs got snubbed by trying to fish for Queen's Ransom lmao

[broken glen]

...queen's ransom?

[nova oar]

I never go for queens

[echo heath]

I think it was Queen's? The one Hera offers

[broken creek]

Queens and kings ransom are both bait imo 🥀

[craggy totem]

Huh, I apparently got my sub 10 Selene SF with Zeus attack of all things

[broken glen]

king's ransom storm ring though...

[nova oar]

Kings ransom is peak

[broken creek]

But my hitch 🥀

[echo heath]

I just did for the hell of it because of the core boons I had at the time, but ended up overloading on junk

[broken creek]

Hera ate Rama bow and I miss Rama bow 🥀

[broken glen]

you can get another b.glow!!!

[nova oar]

No you can't

[craggy totem]

It's specifically BG hardcoded not to show up again right

[maiden mirage]

Oh neat, just got possessed array from a hammer. I can now have almost constant omega attack blasts with 6 shells. My test ended up working out better than I could have expected. Lmao

[broken glen]

dang

[nova oar]

Good luck not running out of magic

[broken creek]

Just get flood gain 😌

[craggy totem]

If you think about it, highly pommed Glamour Gain is kind of Flood Gain At Home in this specific circumstance

[maiden mirage]

Im literally gaining like 32 Magick per second between the level 14 glamour gain and the Unseen arcana.

[red fox]

Flood gain in basements

[craggy totem]

PA instakill everything -> can't regen because they're all dead -> can't PA and have to attack normally -> there are enemies to Glamour Gain from again

Ebb and flow rewritten in romance :P

[maiden mirage]

Chronos will never know what hit him. This ridiculous setup with flutter strike as my attack is going to shred his hp. Lmao

[nimble rivet]

i unlocked aspect of hel lol

who said we don't have a gun in hades II?

[broken glen]

tfw when flood gain is hardcoded specifically to not work with p.array

[maiden mirage]

Wait, does the blast from PA trigger the effect of cut above?

[broken glen]

It should?

[craggy totem]

What are you talking about, I've literally had it work with PA

[buoyant matrix]

flood gain doesn't activate on using magick, it activates on using omega moves which parray does

[broken glen]

does parray charge hex?

[craggy totem]

No

[broken glen]

yeah that's what I'm thinking of

[buoyant matrix]

no because it doesn't use magick it loses magick

[craggy totem]

Flood Gain catchin all the slander smh smdh 😔 sad

[broken glen]

flood gain isn't bad

[maiden mirage]

How did essentially wasting Pom x3 just for the lulz actually end up working in my favor?

[nimble rivet]

i have a very stupid (intelligent) idea

[nova oar]

It didn't

[nimble rivet]

i am going to use jeweled pom along with persephone skull

and go where the wind takes me

[nova oar]

Why not use it every run

[nimble rivet]

because i am a coward who does not like playing outside his comfort zone

[crude dragon]

Slotpilled gambamaxxer in the chat

[craggy totem]

Let the whims of Fate guide you

[nimble rivet]

but now is not the time for cowardice. now is the time for YOLOOOOOOOO

[nova oar]

Trust me fates whim is way better

[crude dragon]

I feel dirty after saying that

[icy halo]

Do the rest of y'all also follow the Grave Thirst weapon while doing Fates' Whim?

Doesn't feel fatey enough otherwise 😄

[craggy totem]

I did until I got to the point where I was trying to improve times and some of the aspects I simply Did Not Want To Try On

(axe. I mean axe. axe is in the No Thank You box)

Tragic however to miss out on the whimsy (and the gems)

[red fox]

I have my trusty charon when it land on axe

[broken glen]

What aspect do y'all think has the most build diversity

[red fox]

Morrigan for me

Anything just work

[broken glen]

I'd say Circe, just because there isn't a single god that doesn't fit somewhere on it (and cast vs omega cast can take you in very different directions)

the different familiars also move differently which is something to consider

[craggy totem]

Yah but the no Frinos is a bit of a damper

[nova oar]

Definitely Medea or moros

[nimble rivet]

lmaoooooooooooooo i got lvl 8 epic apollo attack

[broken glen]

true, Moros is fun in deciding between % or flat damage for the attacks/specials

[nimble rivet]

my build only looks stacked it isn't really taht good

GAMBLIIIIIIIIIIING

[broken glen]

NEVER STOP GAMBLING

see the thing is I just ask nicely and the game gives me what I want

[nimble rivet]

LVL 8 TRANQ GUIN

I JUST STAND STILL FOR A MOMENT AND MY GAUGE IS FULL

[broken glen]

he's just standing there...

[maiden mirage]

Took like 1:20 to beat Chronos. Not crazy, but you should have seen how fast i melted his hp in phase 2. It took literally 2 seconds to get him to the transition at 50%.

I literally recorded a clip of the fight on my steamdeck. I think it was my fastest Chronos fight yet.

[smoky orchid]

Its conversation RNG. Its HARD

I'm not getting it either and it's very frustrating and I want it

[nova oar]

Fastest for me was 32 seconds, fastest I have recorded is 33, can't get much lower than it

Have y'all seen the new silksong dlc

[red fox]

Can't wait to play it at 2033

[nova oar]

Ikr, they said 2026 tho so

[brisk dirge]

Ouch

[broken creek]

The thing they showed looked like a weaver cage

A lightning charged weaver seems kinda terrifying icl

[glacial light]

O_O

[nova oar]

It looks like lifeblood tbh

[glacial light]

its team cherry XD they will push it back till its perfect

[nimble rivet]

Team Cherry saw Valve's development philosophy and said "aight bet"

[tropic ravine]

Wait nvm

[cunning laurel]

died to timer on my 62 supay after getting fig scammed twice 🎉

[tropic ravine]

Oh no

[harsh haven]

whats up with the little pointing hand with a star on it symbol everytime i reach first tarturus gate?

[buoyant matrix]

forget me not or something else i think

[harsh haven]

well, i have no idea what i set that as lol

[buoyant matrix]

i looked it up, if it's green and has a star it means it's for a forget-me-not that you already have all the resources for

you marked something, gathered everything that it needed, then forgot to buy/unlock it

[harsh haven]

thanks!!

[elfin heron]

Whats yall opinion on Typhon as a boss?

[tranquil wren]

He's fun

[elfin heron]

Really cool boss to fight tbh

Which final boss do you think is most difficult?
(Hades, Chronos, Typhon)

[cunning laurel]

rivals chronos easily the hardest

[elfin heron]

Him saying "Im old" just to delete you out of existence seconds later

[simple scroll]

dear god

max fear is 67 fear

[tropic ravine]

Not as hard as I thought it would be

[tropic ravine]

Oh no

[elfin heron]

Tbh his attack is pretty simple

[tropic ravine]

Yeah

[elfin heron]

Hes more like a dps test

He has more hp than EM4 hades lol

[tropic ravine]

Yah

65k combined

Not counting vow of rivals

[hazy parrot]

without rivals, even on frenzy2, hes not that hard

with rivals on, hes p hard but worthy of a final extreme measures boss fight

[elfin heron]

Not so father of all monsters if hes that easy

[tropic ravine]

Might also just be because people need to play the game quite a bit to even get to typhoon

[hazy parrot]

yeah honestly like he seems a little undertuned for the final boss of the surface. most times i take more damage to prom than to him

[buoyant matrix]

yeah we joked on it for a while

[tropic ravine]

I was playing on frenzy 2 just then and I didn’t even realise lol

[elfin heron]

Tbh him having no visible healthbar and trading predictable attack for high damage kind of makes up for it

Though you can cheese him by baiting him into slamming his chin over and over so theres that

[elfin heron]

The normal enemies is much harder than most of the bosses there

[hazy parrot]

the healthbar being not visible isnt really an issue cause you understand where the phase changes after you play him a few times. atp i can practically see where his hp is at

[simple scroll]

i thought he was cool immo

well his attacks are fairly simple

[tropic ravine]

Real

[hazy parrot]

oh hes definitely still cool

[tropic ravine]

100%

[simple scroll]

hes very reactable and counterable with just good movement once you know what he does

[tropic ravine]

He’s just way easier than chronos

And chronos is ok difficulty

[simple scroll]

not accounting for the hard mode typhon atleast idk i havent fought him there

[elfin heron]

Chronos is more fun than Typhon imo

Though I still prefer Hades for final boss

[tropic ravine]

Only thing that makes typhoon hard ish is the slam when I’m not locking in

[tropic ravine]

Yes bro

[simple scroll]

hades has so much aura

[tropic ravine]

Typhoon shppuld have a second phase like chronos

Like take out the Zeus part and. Make it switch to second phase

[elfin heron]

Phase 3 Hades jumpscar

[simple scroll]

his attacks really felt like hes a bigger zagreus

[tropic ravine]

Father jumpscare

[elfin heron]

Spamming his hex agaisnt him is peak comedy

[simple scroll]

and he (mostly) fights solo which is cool

[hazy parrot]

gee i wonder why

[tropic ravine]

Father! Son!

[elfin heron]

Boi!

[tropic ravine]

Also did you just say hex

[elfin heron]

I forgot what its called

[tropic ravine]

Back in my day it was called call

[hazy parrot]

hades2ification of hades names is real

[elfin heron]

Been a while since I last played Hades1

[tropic ravine]

You type in his number on your iPhone 14 and he picks up

[hazy parrot]

i remember when i first started playing hades 2 i said id never call it fear, ill always just say heat. same with like frenzy, fangs, all the vow names

[tropic ravine]

VERY cold take calls are so much better than hexes

[elfin heron]

Tbh hex felt bit underwhelming

[hazy parrot]

now im an obedient puppy for hades 2 and have lowk forgotten what the names are in hades

[tropic ravine]

100%

[tropic ravine]

lol same

[elfin heron]

I mostly just pick morph and heal, and occasionally leap just for utility

[simple scroll]

is hades 2 easier than 1 or is it just me

[elfin heron]

And maybe the nightmare form if I wanna cheese prohetemus phase transition

[tropic ravine]

I don’t even check what it does anymore

[tropic ravine]

For me yes but that’s just because I picked high risk high reward (Medea)

[simple scroll]

i remember dreading a lot going to asphodel at like mid heat

hades 2 doesnt feel that bad

[tropic ravine]

I was playing this one lucifer zeus and position duo boon build and it ducked soo bad

[tropic ravine]

Same

[elfin heron]

Imo hades 2 is slightly harder with oath
But easier on its own

While hades is harder on its own

[tropic ravine]

Im so glad they put less traps though

Hades just put so much it wasn’t funny or strategical

[elfin heron]

Gotta love the green jar literally one shotting you

[tropic ravine]

Not talking about asphodel

[tropic ravine]

You mean hades soul urns?

Those were fine imo but like the ones on the locations just sitting there

[elfin heron]

Yes, since it technically counts as traps

I think its the most damaging trap in the game

[tropic ravine]

O

[elfin heron]

If I remember, the urn with security modifier does 100 damage

[elfin heron]

The random arrow and statues in elysium is probably the worst

Since its harder to spot them if ur too focused on evading

[tropic ravine]

Real

Elysium in general sucks

[elfin heron]

The shield 💔

That one enemy ruined the entire biome

It was fine until they show up

[tropic ravine]

Real

I’m so glad they stopped the shields

Well mostly

[elfin heron]

The one with spears, and the crossbow

Though the crossbow enemy is like way alot worse than the elysium shield bearer

The crossbow miniboss made Hades look like a fodder

[hazy parrot]

glad these are on my side now. gotta love cinerary circle

[nimble rivet]

Persephone Skull + JPom is so fun

[hazy parrot]

onfg dude. super fun combo

[elfin heron]

Finally, you can make the enemies feel the pain you went thru

[nimble rivet]

I realised I was too obsessed with controlling my build and when I started playing Fates Whim I learnt to just let it happen

Just beat Rivals Prometheus with minimal difficulty

[elfin heron]

I realize how hella harder vow of rivals is compare to extreme measures

[nimble rivet]

Now, it's time to meet Rivals Typhon...

[hazy parrot]

fates whim breathed new life into the way i play hades 2. at 1.0, i thought id only want to play the game to complete the story and get the epilogue, but honestly because of the new keepsakes i see a new way to play the game

[elfin heron]

I struggle more on cyclops than em4 hades for some reason

[hazy parrot]

ez clap bossman you got this

[hazy parrot]

nah thats mad. cyclops with rivals isnt too much harder than without

[elfin heron]

The fact I struggle more on him than most bosses is funny

I find it bit confusing especially when him just walking damages you

[hazy parrot]

i also find this amusing. usually i have storng enough of a build that i just outdamage him befoore he can do a llot to me

[nimble rivet]

THIS BUILD IS SO FUN OMG

[hazy parrot]

esp since i usually play w lovers on

[nimble rivet]

Hold on I've GOTTA post this

[hazy parrot]

whats the build?

[elfin heron]

Im not particullary good at building so im just here suffering with nonexistant damage

I had to beat typhon while doing barely any damage

Idk how I even won

[hazy parrot]

just means youre better at the "playing the game" part of the game than the "knowing how to play the game" part of the game

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/iHVt2EC

Have you considered building like this

[nimble rivet]

lemme send an imgur link hold up

[elfin heron]

I had yet to figure what to pick for the boons so we'll see

[hazy parrot]

holy speedrun thats sick dude

[elfin heron]

Roguelikes is basically glorified puzzle games when it comes to maximizing dps lol

[nimble rivet]

imgur is being impossible today sorry guys wouldn't be able to post it

(should i be sneaky and post it in victory boasting because i have img perms there)

(and thus manifest my first rivals typhon victory)

[hazy parrot]

yeah true

or yk just get possessed array born gain

[jovial garden]

The most effective strategy for me to beat rivals Typhon was random everything lol
I just picked Skull with the aspect of Persephone and started off with her keepsake too for extra levels, and that just deletes everything if you know which boons to pick

[nimble rivet]

HE WAS ON HIS KNEES

I NEARLY BEAT TYPHON HE WAS WEAK HIS TONGUE WASN'T WORKING

||POST RESPAWN|| FINAL PHASE

AND THEN I DIED

I WOULD'VE FIRST TRIED HIM IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT

ARGGHGHGHF I'M SO MAD

[tranquil wren]

How much damage does he do in that phase anyway

[nimble rivet]

I was on 3 hp

[hazy parrot]

rip

[nimble rivet]

I got just close enough to throw a howling soul at him AND HE KILLED ME

[hazy parrot]

its ok soldier ggwp we'll get em next time

[nimble rivet]

He saw the might of JPom Persephone Skull

Next he shall behold me in my true form with my loyal Lim and Oros

god howling soul with winner's circle and cast buffing boons is so op

mainly because the cast remains embedded within the enemy and you don't have to worry about them moving out of range

[nova oar]

one of my best runs ever

[nimble rivet]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[hazy parrot]

oooof good build bro. you shouldve gotten him

[nimble rivet]

i know i had him DEAD TO RIGHTS

[tropic ravine]

What keepsake did you use

[nimble rivet]

jpom

[tropic ravine]

Oh

[nimble rivet]

if you scroll the chat you can see my descent into insanity

[tropic ravine]

You prob should have switched because it was late game

I know I’ve seen it lol

Try knuckles bones maybe ?

[nimble rivet]

oh no in late game i had lucky tooth (because i am nub)

[tropic ravine]

Fair

[nimble rivet]

jpom was first region pick

[tropic ravine]

I want to tell you the secret to hades 2

Should I tell

[nimble rivet]

go ahead

[tropic ravine]

Turn off the death defiance

Switch to strength

If your good with boons, the defense is soooo good it won’t matter

[nimble rivet]

sire they're too strong

[tropic ravine]

Ofc it’s your opinion

But I would recommend

[nimble rivet]

i'm not good enough

[tropic ravine]

Try it out for a few runs

Atleast

[nimble rivet]

i will thanks

[tropic ravine]

I was like that jsut today with antlers

Btw if you really think you aren’t doing good with it switch back , it’s just that from what I see from most is that once they try strength they can’t go back

[nova oar]

yeah people dont get how much less damage you take

[tropic ravine]

Sad thing is most just see as normal arcana card

While death defiance is everywhere

[hazy parrot]

goated advice

[nimble rivet]

i will be better

[hazy parrot]

strength is the way. i renounce the death defiances i used in hades. the engraved pin and toula crave my touch, but they shall never feel it

[buoyant matrix]

maybe i should start running strength in 62s

plenty of runs lately where i didn't even use my three base dds

[tropic ravine]

Imo I don’t really use strength for the damage it’s just the defense

It’s sooo good and an added damage bonus on top of that

[nimble rivet]

I assume 62 fear is everything but the anti grasp?

[tropic ravine]

Bro there’s an app for THREE aud for hades 2

It’s literally just the wiki in an app

[buoyant matrix]

fandom wiki moment?

it's funny cause a lot of wiki's information is outdated

[tropic ravine]

Idk what wiki but it’s something like that it’s info orb from there

Fextralife is useless tho

Like it says get || jeweled pom from hades, WHERE is hades be more specific ||

[nova oar]

HE'S NEVER ANYWHERE ELSE

[tropic ravine]

I know but it’s like one sentence

I have a thing of forgetting the smallest thing

Elden ring wiki will forever be the best

[limpid oar]

A well designed game doesn't need an external wiki to explain everything 🔥

[dry forum]

Could you please tell me what's wrong with the "Fair Fight" achievement? I'm sure I've encountered Nemesis dozens of times, almost 100 hours of play, but it's not showing up.

[tropic ravine]

And for like buffs or description of things that are vague it didn’t tell the actual thing

[frail nymph]

And then there are From Soft games XD

[tropic ravine]

Real

That’s one thing I hate with most games nowadays

Hades did well with explaining where you could find seeds and stuff though

[frail nymph]

Hades has ingame wiki, which is nice

and "kind" of" a buildmaker with forgetmenot

[tropic ravine]

Best part as well is when it tells about a status in boon picking it TELLS you what it is

It’s the smallest things that counts for quality of life it’s insane

[frail nymph]

Yeah and does so spoiler free

which is not easy to do!

[limpid oar]

I feel like most games either hold your hand through every step of the way or tell you nothing with little Inbetween

[buoyant matrix]

only counts for the encounters where you have to compete for more kills

[dry forum]

I understand. I'm sure I've won far more than 10 times in a hundred hours.

[tropic ravine]

NO in between

Except for hades 2 where they like you as a baby but puts you up for adoption as a toddler

[nova oar]

Did you play EA

[dry forum]

I don't get you. I'm playing on Steam. EA?

[nova oar]

Early access

[dry forum]

Yes, i did

[nova oar]

That's why, it needs to be 10 wins after 1.0

[dry forum]

Hmm, thanks. Although I feel like I've already won more than 10 games after 1.0, okay, i could be wrong about that

[nova oar]

Just keep winning the nem fights you'll get it eventually

[storm glen]

eh games that work around stats basically need it

at least demanding games

[limpid oar]

I specified external wikis, just explain what the stats do in the game??

[storm glen]

they cant possibly explain every interaction

[tranquil wren]

No matter the game, there is always a wiki

You cannot hope to explain everything in your game

[storm glen]

if u throw a bunch of math terms at new players theyre going to be less interested

[tranquil wren]

Definitely a niche for that, but yeah

[limpid oar]

Sure but that's not an excuse to explain nothing 😭 (looking at you fromsoftware)

[tranquil wren]

Yeah Fronsoft's stat screen is abysmal

[tropic ravine]

I thought you meant electronic arts lol

[hearty pumice]

just got wide grin again :)
can't wait to melt polyphemus.

[elfin heron]

And you get blasted by ads

They casually put position: sticky on the ads so it makes the entire site unreadable

I got all 3 statues knowing well I had no reason to torture myself for it

[storm glen]

fandom 💔💔

[elfin heron]

Fandom aka misinfo final boss

Good thing we have wiki.gg which is just better fandom lol

[hearty pumice]

istg if I finish this area before the shower's free ima kill somebody

[dire sand]

Diablo 2 did this even better by just the devs making their own wiki lol

Like it ofc also had a manual back then but they legit just had their own site with stats

[hearty pumice]

I'm about to fight eris and the bathroom is still in use. I swear to the gods.

[elfin heron]

Meanwhile Chronos being the one not letting you use the bathroom

[dire sand]

https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/ lol it still exists

[dire sand]

But to also be fair here you can just have stats and interactions and mechanics explained through optional buttons

[brisk dirge]

GUYS! I finally got the familiar dialogue!

[hearty pumice]

I'm sure he'd LOVE for me to get off until after school so I can't get more progress right now. Luckily for my dad, he got out of the bathroom before I beat eris, so no need for murder.

[brisk dirge]

Hecate had that odd exclamation mark thing which usually means something amd i checked and she gave me the permission!

[dire sand]

Like as much as people hate league, skill descriptions there are 'Deal damage (magic) to enemy in a cone' and you can enable an option to see 'deal damage (magic, 80% scaling with ability power, 20% scaling with attack damage), in a cone'

Like you can just do that in games

[brisk dirge]

Right he unpaused the game before right? Does he still do it? I tried it 2 times and both times he mocked me

[hearty pumice]

Anyway, nuclear skull is fun. Holding left click with wide grin lets you cosplay eris and icarus and I love that.

[dire sand]

Iirc baldur's gate 3 has quite a lot of explainers in its descriptions if you wish to look for them

[hearty pumice]

I think they removed it sometime before release because it was annoying as hell, but I could be wrong. I haven't gotten that far yet since I returned and I'm more focused on the surface so I can get rockets rn.

[elfin heron]

Chronos when I just close the window:

[brisk dirge]

I do think they could have removed it. Tbh it is a great idea. I mean we are fighting an embodiment of time and of course they should be able to unpause the game. I actually wanted to buy the game when I saw a youtube short about that. And there was supposed to be an incantation that prevents the time stop right??

[elfin heron]

Would be funny if theres a reaction for that as if he knew you bypassed his gimmick

[brisk dirge]

Lmao. He roasted me the second time

[hearty pumice]

Would be hilarious if he had dialog for that when you opened the game back up.
"What, got tired of me resuming time so you reset the fight?"

[brisk dirge]

Ikr??? Would have been great

[elfin heron]

Theres literally dialog for everything in this game lol

Scylla even reacts if u mute the music ingame

[hearty pumice]

Yeah. Honestly, there probably is. Or at least was, if they removed the gimmick.

[brisk dirge]

Hey uh supposedly we could only get the hidden aspects after unlocking all the open aspects right? I still haven't unlocked persephone and yet I now unlocked Nergal

[brisk dirge]

Wait really? I gotta try that

[elfin heron]

Tbh Chronos unpause gimmick felt unnessecary even if its in character

[brisk dirge]

I liked it. ......unless I really needed the bathroom mid fight

Hey uh....atm I can't seem to give Moros anything now. Do I need to do something? I want the hidden aspects and try it out....also for the ||melinoe help us|| riddle

[nova oar]

It's probably bugged

[red fox]

Only need all non hidden aspect of that weapon

[brisk dirge]

Also how do I give nectar or gifts to ||Chronos? ||Cause || the help us|| prophecy says ||I need to bond with the one who cast them out and it would be chronos right? ||

[red fox]

A skull haven't unlock won't affect your hidden axe unlock

[brisk dirge]

Well I did unlocked all non hidden aspects except the persephone skull

[brisk dirge]

Oh. Someone here said I needed to unlock all non hidden aspects to get the waking up incantations.

[elfin heron]

Or being called in for dinner

[gritty jewel]

In my game King Vermin is called Uh-oh. Is that permanent?

[nova oar]

Just for each weapon

[nova oar]

No

[nova oar]

Talk to him after erebus

[gritty jewel]

How's it change?

[elfin heron]

Peak boss name

[gritty jewel]

Not that I dislike the name to be clear. I'm just curious because I saw a streamer playing and he fought King Vermin, not Uh-oh

[elfin heron]

I imagine they eventually get called the proper name after enough runs

Its basically Zagreus renaming the hydra all over again

[gritty jewel]

I'm like... 50 deep. 🤣

[nova oar]

Pretty much

[brisk dirge]

Huh?

Lmao

Same to me......that rat is King Vermin? I thought they named it Uh-oh cause of how annoying thr boss is

[brisk dirge]

He does seem to appear after that. Only once during the area before oceanus and I could not gift him anything

[elfin heron]

Or the fact she feared the vermin

[nova oar]

That's where you gift him

[floral quest]

Hi

after using the pom... is it not worth using the whole run? or only swapping to skellies teeth at the end?

[slim pike]

Just unequip it, it persists

[red fox]

Even you remove the jpom, you still get its effect for rest of the night as long as fate whim isn't broken

[slim pike]

same with the other two fate's whim keepsakes

[tropic ravine]

Bit of a spoiler for others but ok

[nimble rivet]

HEY YOU WERE RIGHT

STRENGTH GIVES YOU SO MUCH DAMAGE REDUCTION

I NEARLY BEAT RIVALS TYPHON AGAIN

[nova oar]

Use pin instead of tooth

[nova oar]

Yeah I accidentally took strength for 45f surface today and still clutched it out, it's so good

[tropic ravine]

Told youuu

[nimble rivet]

TYSM

[tropic ravine]

Now it’s just getting a bit used to no death defiances

Take a few more hearts

Than usual

Then after some time you won’t need the extra as much

[brisk dirge]

I haven't gotten that since that time

[brisk dirge]

S h I t

[tropic ravine]

Naughty naughty

[brisk dirge]

But how are you alive without a dd???

[tropic ravine]

The defense is just that goated

[brisk dirge]

I never go without a dd

[nimble rivet]

Not to mention I was using the good old nepotism build

[tropic ravine]

And also free extra damage from nowhere

[nimble rivet]

Nobody, you mean

[nimble rivet]

JPom + Persephone Skull

[brisk dirge]

Tbh I would literally die to that one shot attacks at Chronos and for Typhon I would just go ahead and attack right near hjm

[tropic ravine]

Chronos one is easy just don’t be greedy

[nimble rivet]

I call it good old but I've only discovered it this afternoon

[brisk dirge]

So the dd is needed

[tropic ravine]

And for typhoon that’s the point

You know the big laser attack

If your up close to him he can’t hit you

[brisk dirge]

The fact is I use steam link and for some reason the thing lags. Even with great connection

[brisk dirge]

Which one?

[nimble rivet]

You don't have to bum rush the opponents. Just take your time!

[tropic ravine]

Ohhhh you might need to use Dd then

[tropic ravine]

You know the one where he goes like blahhhhhh and a big laser across the arena

[brisk dirge]

The thing is again.....I use steam link . And often the screen goes black or late response or down right exits by itself. And i don't have a controller so I am stuck

[nimble rivet]

Damn

[tropic ravine]

Why do you use steam link

[nimble rivet]

My condolences

[brisk dirge]

😕

[tropic ravine]

Typhoon

Not chronos that would be very weird

[nimble rivet]

It's Typhon, single o

[tropic ravine]

Autocorrect

[brisk dirge]

Keyboard controls are hard for me, I can't have a controller or my mom will kill me and steam link is my only way

[brisk dirge]

Oh that one

[nimble rivet]

Oh dear. Fellow Asian?

[tropic ravine]

ATP just use keyboard

[brisk dirge]

Born Asian. Ethnicity Indian

[tropic ravine]

Delay isn’t worth it

[tropic ravine]

Same sort of

[nimble rivet]

I feel you

[brisk dirge]

Nah ican't handle it. I barely able to use it.

[tropic ravine]

My background is Indian but I’ve lived in Australia my whole life

[nimble rivet]

The ultimate creature

[brisk dirge]

Thanks. And I will be starting university next year so....obvi I won't be allowed to play games for at least a few years

[tropic ravine]

Are you trying to sound racist

[nimble rivet]

Bro you're Aussie

[brisk dirge]

Wow

[tropic ravine]

Sorry if you weren’t I was just genuinely curious

[brisk dirge]

Well tbh I never spoke my mother language until I was 7

[nimble rivet]

Your special ability is to command spiders 😭

That's already OP

[nova oar]

Aussie here can confirm we do

[tropic ravine]

I live in a city and haven’t seen a spider this year

Moths on the other hand

[brisk dirge]

Ugh no offence but I will never go to Australia. For someone who is afraid of insects...that place is hell

[nova oar]

You must be in Perth

[tropic ravine]

Nope

[nova oar]

Melbourne then

[tropic ravine]

If your gonna go to like Uluṟu then yes you would hate but like syd no

[tropic ravine]

Nope

[nimble rivet]

21 questions huh

[nova oar]

What state?

[brisk dirge]

I have this unexplainable fear of flying insects and giant insects

[tropic ravine]

nsw

[tropic ravine]

Nah you won’t see them around my area

[nova oar]

Sydney? No way lmfao y'all get the funnelwebs

[tropic ravine]

Yep

I’ve barely seen a spider in my life tbh

[nova oar]

Wouldn't want your living costs either

[tropic ravine]

Only at zoos or sum

[brisk dirge]

Ahem. Big a s s spiders are also on the list

[nova oar]

I'm staring at one in my room rn

[tropic ravine]

😭

[brisk dirge]

💀

[tropic ravine]

Never seen at all where I live

[brisk dirge]

How are you so calm

[tropic ravine]

Most of spiders won’t attack anyway

[nimble rivet]

She's Aussie

[nova oar]

Because that's Quinnius and he's chilling tf out

[brisk dirge]

But then I come there and the area would be filled with spiders 💀

[brisk dirge]

SHE?

I thought Luthien was a he

[nova oar]

I am a woman yes is that so hard to believe

[tropic ravine]

Brotato it depends on where you stay

[brisk dirge]

Sorry

[nimble rivet]

Impossible, I thought women were things of fairy tales

[nova oar]

😭

Wouldn't even be the worst thing someone from this server has said to me

[brisk dirge]

I have terrible luck when it comes to insects. My parents LOVE to take me to butterfly farms

[nimble rivet]

I'm sorry I was joking

[brisk dirge]

Sorry
hugs

[tropic ravine]

SHe also pays rent every month

[nova oar]

LMAO ur good

[nova oar]

Get away from me

[brisk dirge]

AHHHHHH fine
dies

[nimble rivet]

I feel like Prometheus

[brisk dirge]

[nova oar]

Exactly, he gets the flies that get in

[brisk dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-emperor-emperors-new-school-emperors-new-groove-funny-gif-9619652877550168814

[tropic ravine]

There is nothing to do in Sydney anymore tbh

People who live in us are lucky

They get every thing

[nova oar]

Don't you have like no nightlife

[tropic ravine]

*tech related

[nova oar]

Nah we have it good, trust me

[tropic ravine]

Im not like your age

[nova oar]

You'll understand when you're older

[nimble rivet]

I read US as the pronoun us and was confused for a moment

[tropic ravine]

Im younger than u

[nova oar]

Exactly

[tropic ravine]

lol

[nimble rivet]

Anyways that's all you'll hear from me, I have work to do

Good night

[tropic ravine]

Im a stay at home guy

[nova oar]

I wish

[tropic ravine]

But the hades 2 is right in front of you just one more run right

[nova oar]

Got work and a wife to take care of, it is what it is

[tropic ravine]

I don’t feel like becoming an adult

Getting a job and stuff like that

[nimble rivet]

Just one more run, I swear I can beat Rivals Typhon this time. Just one more run, I swear I'll get a Heroic Lvl 9 Heph attack build that nukes the mountain.

[tropic ravine]

One more runnnnn

[brisk dirge]

Ouch

Sorry my nephew thought it was a good idea to take my phone from my hand.

[nova oar]

Especially in Sydney 😭💀

[brisk dirge]

We all are still kids underneatg

[nova oar]

Yeah nice story, i'm still blocking you

[brisk dirge]

Wth????

[tropic ravine]

What did tycoon do

[nimble rivet]

My foresight tingles...

[brisk dirge]

HUH????

[tropic ravine]

I forgot

[brisk dirge]

Don't you Prometheus me!

[tropic ravine]

Oh wow good joke

I just realised

[nova oar]

I'm out anyway, got things to do

[brisk dirge]

??????

[nimble rivet]

Right I HAVE WORK TO DO I'M GOING TO THROW MY PHONE OUT THE WINDOW BYE

[brisk dirge]

HWY

[tropic ravine]

If you don’t me asking what do you do for work

[brisk dirge]

COME BACK HERE

[brisk dirge]

HEY COME BACK HERE

[nova oar]

Nothing interesting

[brisk dirge]

Wth I did??????

[tropic ravine]

Nooo don’t leave us unemployed people alone

[brisk dirge]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[brisk dirge]

Jokes on you. I work part time

[tropic ravine]

Im calling your manager to switch your shifts, in about half an hour you will be expected at work

[dire sand]

I'm gonna show you a job application form

[tropic ravine]

JUST because you said you work part time thinking your different

[tropic ravine]

Im 4”9 no one will accept me

[dire sand]

Top 5 least confusing discord messages

[tropic ravine]

I genuinely can’t work

Im just short

That’s my excuse

[dire sand]

Put the fries in the bag

[tropic ravine]

Ahem completely valid explanation for unemployment

[tropic ravine]

It’s the holidays tho

[dire sand]

Those are the days with a lot of fries in bags

[brisk dirge]

AHHHHHH jokes on you today is my off day and only 2 more hours till my shop closes 🤣

[tropic ravine]

And like chilling at home playing hades is kinda tuff

[brisk dirge]

Ikr

[tropic ravine]

That’s the whole point

[dire sand]

Be like me

[brisk dirge]

....

[tropic ravine]

Im actually 49 inches tall

[dire sand]

Be on discord at your full time job

[tropic ravine]

I can’t enter the shops

[tropic ravine]

I have experience of being a discord mod

A while back

[dire sand]

Fun fact I had a review of my work this year and I got high praise I have been on discord for 80% of it idk

I unironically used discord mod experience to get the job

I just worded it as community management

[tropic ravine]

I mean you aren’t wrong

Wait why am I talking about emplpyment

These adults are trying to trick me

[nova oar]

Got hired for my current job over someone else cause i'm 6ft 1 and they weren't

[brisk dirge]

How old are you 🤣

[dire sand]

https://tenor.com/view/job-jumpscare-job-application-job-meme-job-jumpscare-gif-5102454363566376023

Nice embed I think

[tropic ravine]

Younger than Luthien

All I’m gonna say

Wait that’s kinda rude isn’t it

Idek it’s 1 am

[tropic ravine]

Wow

3 mins dead chat

Too long

[dire sand]

I'm 6'5 this means I have every job I think

[brisk dirge]

You calling a lady old

[brisk dirge]

Woah you tall

[tropic ravine]

That’s why I just said it wa ride

[dire sand]

I'm mostly just dutch

[tropic ravine]

But 4 9 is average correct

[dire sand]

This is not that tall here

[tropic ravine]

It’s horribly short in Sydney

[dire sand]

Average dutch man is 6'0

[tropic ravine]

Imma be honest

Atleast I’m not shorter than that one due

[dire sand]

Average dutch woman is like 5'8 or smth

[tropic ravine]

Wow

[dire sand]

We are just tall people

[tropic ravine]

Indians are very short

If you haven’t noticed

[dire sand]

Become dutch idk

[tropic ravine]

This advice changed my life

[dire sand]

You're welcome

[brisk dirge]

Brain not braining here

[brisk dirge]

Hey tbh some of my family members are tall as heck

Remember my nephew I was talking about? He is 2 and he is as tall as a 4 year old

[tropic ravine]

I have this one uncle who is sooo tal

[brave gate]

I wish Artemis’s boon made her more likely to appear

[tropic ravine]

Welp I’m gonna sleep now

[brisk dirge]

I mistaken him as 5 when I first saw him. His dad is so tall lmao. ......and yes my dad and mom are short but that is not the point

[tropic ravine]

She is very op sooo

[brisk dirge]

Ikr?

[brave gate]

I don’t mean showing up more than once.

[brisk dirge]

Athena too. I wonder why they changed her to the way she is

[brave gate]

Just to make room for the new gods

[dire sand]

Cause crit is OP

[brisk dirge]

Her deflect boon was so good I always start a hades run with her keepsake. But now I don't even. Touch it

[dire sand]

Athena was kinda a new player trap in 1 and artemis was op lmao

[brave gate]

Dash boons were kind of OP in general in Hades 1

[brisk dirge]

Hades 2 the boon is good it

[brave gate]

Pretty sure that’s why they changed the dash mechanic

[dire sand]

Having them be support rather than recurring boons is good I think their kits are too easy to just build around entirely

[brisk dirge]

I always at least want her dash deflect. How did you think I survived the minotaur and king

[brave gate]

Run in circles

[dire sand]

I did that by dealing too much damage

Nature of these games is kinda as long as you just deal enough damage you wont have to worry about getting hit lol

[brave gate]

You can also get by with knowing enemy patterns

[dire sand]

Ye ofc

[brisk dirge]

Lmao

[brave gate]

I started a new save for 1.0 and got to Chronos on my 5th or maybe 6th run

[dire sand]

I got to chronos fast in EA but didnt know I could upgrade grasp

So struggled for a while lmao

[brave gate]

Lmao

I’m glad I played before they got rid of the Chronos preventing pausing the game. That was fun to discover on my own

[dire sand]

Got a time that I thought was good on EA patch 1 (8:06) and by the time it got uploaded to the board it was already like 20th and I think it ended at 55 or smth

I did completely burn out during EA I still have to play 1.0 lmao

[gritty jewel]

Does anyone know if the Rivals Scylla fight is an intentional reference to this idiom and if yes any source from Supergiant that I could quote? Trying to add the reference to the Wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Scylla_and_Charybdis

[sturdy magnet]

I always choose Artemis over Athena in the Trial of Gods in the first game

[buoyant matrix]

it's definitely intentional but we don't have a source

supergiant is clever enough to have done it intentionally

[dire sand]

It could be

Can't it just also be because the myth has them near eachother and you have to go one of the ways anyway

Like this idiom kinda just reflects the myth anyway

Hard to say where references to the myths end to become references to this exact phrase

That probably needs a direct sgg quote

[gritty jewel]

Yeah. Any way I can contact them for confirmation?

Is there a place in this Discord to enquire or is it just email?

[wise wave]

Does Plasma boost channel omege speed? I built it but see no different on torch.

[neon turtle]

There's a picture of chaos holding this skull with a baby attached via an umbilical cord to its mouth. Is there lore about it, or is it just there to look cool?

[echo heath]

After very briefly looking, I think just email

I don't see a channel or other avenue for directly asking

[buoyant matrix]

the skull is chaos' old head from h1 and the baby is probably a new body being grown for later

[neon turtle]

Oh nice. I've already forgotten what he looked like

[echo heath]

They had a great design in both H1 and H2

One of my favorite characters, love them immensely

[abstract depot]

Phase 3 Chronos got me like

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

Give me EMBEDS

[foggy sable]

what single maxed out vow (besides rivals) makes for the hardest run?

[wintry wharf]

Anyone else finds Prom's auto dodge shenanigans kinda hilarious at times? Like last night I was with Shiva, running away and pointing O special quiite away from him to get Destructive and Prom just dodged... Nothing, like he was on the other side and "dodged" an attack not directed at him

[neon turtle]

Why is there a Prime mechanic instead of just lowering my max magic points?

[wintry wharf]

Priming sounds cooler

[humble urchin]

Void and it’s not close

the other vows in a vacuum aren’t too hard, they become hard when they’re compounded with the other vows

[fathom lake]

Ragebaiting yourself
"aww man i have likd 200 mahick and like 175 its primed!"

[foggy sable]

I honestly forgot about that one lol

my first idea was scars

[median plinth]

1. some boons that give you a benefit and you prime X. With those you can take them even if you don't have enough magic
2. There are some boons that give you life/magic based on how much magic you have

[hearty pumice]

just unlocked the ability to throw hands :)

[brisk dirge]

Oooh?

[brisk dirge]

Tbh that is true. You can evade Artemis

[crude dragon]

Yes, as is the song that unlocks from doing the fight for the first time, Rock and a Hard Place

[buoyant matrix]

void and it's significantly harder than maxed rivals

[sturdy magnet]

Scylla songs are addictive

[crude dragon]

Because the primed MP still counts towards stuff like Uncanny Fortitude and Spiritual Affirmation, whereas removing max MP wouldn't

[fathom lake]

Yes 🎸🔥📢

[old depot]

yikes had the worst start on my 24 fear run but I also no hit Polyphemus so I dont know how to feel about it

[sturdy magnet]

Hot take: Wrath of the Heavens seem suited for Prometheus than Olympus Aflame.

[gritty jewel]

But he's not a God.

[crude dragon]

Wrath of the Heavens, but yes

[sturdy magnet]

I know but I felt the ominous chanting and serious tone suits him more.

[tall notch]

wow scars 3 is much harder than i expected

nvm i just no hit rivals ||eris||

we stay winning

im so goated dude

[wintry wharf]

Does Old Grudge stack with Knuckle bones?

[crude dragon]

Yes, though you'll hit a health gate on Typhon with the combo

And probably also Chronos

[wintry wharf]

Zamn

[abstract depot]

I cannot beat Phase 3 Chronos at all, its the only part i’m losing on

Burns through all my dds and struggle to get hits in

[craggy totem]

Apparently you're meant to spend parts of that phase just dodging and not trying to get hits in

[rotund hearth]

Why did they remove Ares doom curse from H1

[craggy totem]

They removed multiple things, didn't they? Jolted, Ruptured?

[sturdy magnet]

His doom curse were OP

[rotund hearth]

Exactly.

Wounds is useless. It's only useful for origination imo and even then...

[craggy totem]

It's a pretty big boost to base power, I wouldn't call it useless

[rotund hearth]

Comparatively though

[craggy totem]

Sure but if you're comparing against something that was considered OP, doesn't that make it just... somewhere in the neighborhood of "normal" or "fine"? :P

[rotund hearth]

I'd say it's meh compared to other damage curses. Though, could be a skill thing and I need to try it now that I know the game

Generally though, I avoid Ares (except for his rush and duo boons) but in H1, loved him

[abstract depot]

Seriously? Not my favourite pastime but i can see why, the rapid warp + clock beams def is a phase to dodge over attack

[nimble rivet]

You're supposed to spend the time listening to the sick beats brah

[craggy totem]

I mean, it's not for no reason his boons are considered less powerful than the other gods' overall, that's not comin from nowhere, for sure! I just personally think that it's not quite to the level of Wounds being useless is all 🫡

Especially since they've got a few pretty nice handy additional boons attached to them.

[rotund hearth]

Yeah I was being hyperbolic there. I mostly say that compared to 1) other curses 2) doom.

I take it for origination though. Maybe I need to pair it with the right other god

[sturdy magnet]

The only Ares boon that I like was his Blade dash

I miss that from the first game. Using his damage as tiny sword impale the enemy

[sturdy magnet]

I honestly prefer his H1 design than his H2

Nothing wrong with it but his hairstyle in the first game was cooler

[sturdy magnet]

I could also say the same with Dionysus

Our Himbo has nothing but a speedo on

[abstract depot]

FEAR 32 UW BEATEN

Took me 7 tries to beat Phase 3 Chronos but i did it, 100% hardest boss

Phase 1 and Phase 2 feel disproportionately easy compared to Phase 3 though

[hearty fog]

Because UW is balanced to be easier than the surface but Super Grandpa needs to be top 2 hardest fight in the game, there's a bit of necessity in a huge disparity.

Honestly, if VoR4 made the whole run a little harder, you could get away with a less brutal End of Time. But it's also The End of Time, it does make sense to be outscaled from everything else you're used to fighting.

[median plinth]

are you choosing rivals chronos for extra challenge or is it actually worth the fear?

[abstract depot]

Its 4 fear

I think Rivals Chronos is harder than Rivals Typhon tho

[maiden mirage]

I only need to win with 3 aspects to get Bearing Dark Gifts. Anubis, Hel, and Nyx.

[craggy totem]

Nyx should be fun :3

[oblique hemlock]

nyx coat is one of my favorite weapons in the game

[wintry wharf]

In Whim builds, good potential Medea specials besides Zeus?

[buoyant matrix]

any on-hit effects plus hera
if you manage to hit colossus driver, aphro special is the best choice

[craggy totem]

Are there any aspects which don't especially want to see Hera, is what I'm wondering

Like even Zeus has some people being like "eh, not what I want to see on Charon"

[buoyant matrix]

zeus is good on charon

ionic gain, lightning lance, maybe even blitz special if you're desperate

[craggy totem]

Aye I'm just saying, some folks are less than enthused about him

[thorny adder]

Zeus cast is also sort of okay if you brute force double strike

[rustic basin]

Holy, Life Tax kept me alive for over half a minute when I timed out against Chronos P3 LOL

[rotund hearth]

Omg beat rivals poly and Eris without DD and reduced GM

[worldly galleon]

does anyone else have this issue where lim and oros omega attack can't seem to track onto the dragon miniboss on olympus?

[devout cairn]

no but on controller I had auto-aim issues with other weapons, so this doesn't surprise me

[worldly galleon]

It was weird, because it would spend the magic and jump, but the attack would never hit, as if Mel didn't leap close enough. Might have something to do with the hitbox.

[crude dragon]

Was it somewhere inaccessible like its nest when you were trying to use the attack?

[oblique hemlock]

i have this soo bad with skull, when i use the special it’s like i hit everything EXCEPT the enemy

[craggy totem]

Does auto-aim even auto-aim skull specials? (genuine question)

Cos it feels like pretty 1:1 going directly to where your cursor is pointing

[devout cairn]

it does, you can steer it a bit with the analogue stick but sometimes it does things you dont want to

which is why i hate rivals eris because auto-aim prioritizes the enemies instead of the orbs

[maiden mirage]

Last aspect. Anubis. Thinking I'll try to get the lone shade hammer upgrades for it

[craggy totem]

Just for kicks?

[maiden mirage]

First boon was from Hermes, and I used calling card to get a Heroic Racing Thoughts, so if it comes up, maybe I'll grab Aphro attack for the damage output and try to go for the higher chance for shades to remain, and just see what happens

[craggy totem]

Remember that Aphrodite defines "close up" based on distance to the player, not distance to the attack source

[nova oar]

Shades aren't worth building for

[craggy totem]

Swhy I asked if it was just for kicks :P

[chrome summit]

sorry to butt in, does anyone know about a hades 2 online boon viewer similar to this one for hades 1? https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

[maiden mirage]

Does extra dose work with Anubis? Or does it just do what it does when you attack again while the aoe is active?

[craggy totem]

Wording says "hit" so it sounds like it would work just fine

[maiden mirage]

Just wondering if it would be doing double the damage, or what it would do. Lol

[broken glen]

It has a chance of triggering and dealing 2 instances of damage whenever it lands a hit on an enemy, but it doesn’t make 2 AOEs

[maiden mirage]

I know i can always go for some known build, but I kinda wanna just mess around and see how it works. It worked well to just screw around last night with the idiotic decision to double the level of my Glamour Gain, ended up with a ridiculously fast Phase 2 Chronos kill. I kinda just want to screw around and see if I stumble on some stupid idea like that again.

[nova oar]

Why would glamour gain contribute to a fast p2 chronos 😭

[broken glen]

You should use sacrifice Pom smuggling to get a high level tough gain…

(Since it can’t otherwise be pommed)

[craggy totem]

Smuggling lmao

[nova oar]

Can't it only be pushed to -7 at heroic?

[broken glen]

That’s still like -10 damage per hit, which can be combined with stuff like weak and whatnot for a funny build

[maiden mirage]

It wasn't the best Gain boon obviously, but it was what I had. I ended up recovering like 32 Magick per second, had over 200 Magick, and possessed array and weed killer on my Revaal, took half his hp in 2 seconds on phase 2.

[broken glen]

Ggain sounds pretty good on parray since the gain isn’t stopped by channeling

[craggy totem]

Or rather, since you aren't channeling?

[broken glen]

Yeah

That’s what I meant

[maiden mirage]

I just stood right against him and kept firing until I had to wait for the gain. Kinda want to try to do it again with a better gain and see if I can steamroll him.

[tall notch]

on a genuinely insane build rn

virtually every boon that buffs omega specials on the dual blades

[nova oar]

On pan

[tropic ravine]

Is bgain the best gain?

[tall notch]

unfortunately on artemis tho i have both the bouncing knives and straight knives hammers

so it works

and heaven flourish too

[nova oar]

Depends

[tall notch]

this is amazing

[tall notch]

not imo

[tropic ravine]

Like I use it for possessed array

With medea

[nova oar]

It's the best in general, but still situations where most other gains are better

[craggy totem]

Huh. Savefiles record how long it took you to beat each boss in the last/current run?

[noble sapphire]

is it me or does aspect of nergal fall off viciously later in the game where one hp per hit is a tiny fraction of your hp

it feels like it's made to be used almost exclusively with low hp high defense strats by endgame

like
strength wantler 'the one ares boon that heals you if hitting below 40hp' strats

[nova oar]

Uh no not really

[noble sapphire]

but in this run where i'm not doing any of that, going for berserk- and this is T4 nergal, mind you- gets me hurt way more often in a way where the healing doesn't make up for it whatsoever

[nova oar]

If you're taking more damage than you can heal that's more of a skill issue than a heal issue

The aspect is really good for high fear, goes through scars

[noble sapphire]

well the issue is more that
nergal/axe in general is slow and high-commit

[jolly hound]

There’s a hammer that makes it 2 health per hit and with that it’s basically impossible to die without trying real hard

[noble sapphire]

and i guess i'm also just not used to it

yeah i never saw that daedalus this run but i assumed it did have something that made it heal harder

[nova oar]

Watch me

[nova oar]

Just only use oattack and go for psychic, too slow otherwise

[craggy totem]

How the hell do you never see a hammer in a run

[noble sapphire]

i said i never saw That option

[nova oar]

They didn't see iron core

[noble sapphire]

it was my first nergal run ever

i'm just saying i'm at the point of the game where i can zero-dd an entire surface run without too much healing nonsense but aspect of nergal is getting me nearly killed repeatedly

[nova oar]

It's better with strength tbh

[noble sapphire]

because 1hp/hit is not making up for how vulnerable comitting to the berserk window makes me

yeah it seemed like more of a Strength weapon

[nova oar]

Are you using oattack only or the normal attacks and specials

[noble sapphire]

i'm using the normal attacks primarily and a bit of the specials

the Speen move seemed a bit dangerous to be using

[nova oar]

The oattack is the only move worth using on nergal

[noble sapphire]

fr??? 😭

[nova oar]

Yep

I'll find pizza's 62

[worldly galleon]

feel like omega attack is just how axe plays in general tbh

[noble sapphire]

my magick is fine this run so it's not that i can't use oattack but i had no idea it was anything other than like

a huge trap to be using oattack spin2win with axe in most of my runs anyway

[craggy totem]

If you dislike it, as I do, then I cannot speak highly enough of the extremely clever strategy of "ignore that damn weapon, screw it, dump it in the wastebasket"

[nova oar]

If you get psychic whirlwind otherwise normal axes play differently

[noble sapphire]

i mean i just wanted to try it and now i am slightly regretting throwing like 6 nm at it

[craggy totem]

Don't worry, you'll get more Nightmare than you'll know what to do with 🫡

[noble sapphire]

but also it was definitely never going to be good if it was 20-something hits to proc

[worldly galleon]

🤷‍♂️ it feels better than dash attack spam to me

[noble sapphire]

like 4/6 of my testaments are 'go kill prometheus with a weapon you've never done it with' . . pain unending /lh

[nova oar]

https://youtu.be/ANnmkCMHsZk?si=VexPKuyzBuG3qf8c

[noble sapphire]

i used to scoff at it but bar none lim and oros have been The weapon i've cleared most of the game with

because i like being an aggressive murderbee

[nova oar]

Blades are all fun and games until you have to do anything actually difficult

[noble sapphire]

i am not at the point where i get sweaty over fear runs

[nova oar]

Almost as bad as selene 😭

I will never stop hating on selene

[noble sapphire]

i am convinced the wolf howl/divebomb move is straight ass

[nova oar]

Wolf howl is one of the two hexes I will actually take

Very nice utility and I frames

[noble sapphire]

i think it's better for its rider abilities/buffs than raw damage but yeah iframes makes sense

[nova oar]

Damage wise it's not really that good, other hexes are better for that

[noble sapphire]

given a choice i will pick moon water or 'tactical nuke incoming' usually

[nova oar]

If you take it, it's purely to dodge everything

[noble sapphire]

or phase shift. phase shift is also funny

[nova oar]

Idk I hate hexes in general

[craggy totem]

I used to think this as well but it's honestly quite good for repositioning at base, and can do dece damage upgraded

[worldly galleon]

I think there's some real doodoo hexes like dark side, but most of them are decent to good

[craggy totem]

Anyway, Selene is fine you are just a hater

[noble sapphire]

i hucked lunar ray straight in the garbage after the auto-firing one completely turned 180' during an eye of typhon fight and aimed at the f*ing eggs instead of the BOSS IN FRONT OF IT

doing almost ZERO damage

[worldly galleon]

dark side just does like no damage for some reason... unless I'm using it wrong idek

[noble sapphire]

dark side feels really lumpy and weird all the times i tried it and definitely feels like it does very little damage

[nova oar]

NO IT'S BAD I DON'T LIKE IT

[noble sapphire]

i've never gone through most of the skilltree with a dark side hex so maybe it gets better with investment

[nova oar]

Nah dark side is bad

[noble sapphire]

but if she offers dark side and it's a crescent moon STRAIGHT in the trash

[nova oar]

Pretty much everyone agrees on that

[noble sapphire]

okay cool

because unrivaled hecate makes it look considerably cooler than it is 😭

[worldly galleon]

I haven't kept up with patch changes and I haven't taken dark side in 1.0 so I am tentative about everything I say lol

[nova oar]

Unrivalled hec does more damage with it than we do

[noble sapphire]

'terrifying' and it's like a 3-second damage nerf that i'll miss the 'about to run out' sound from and eat a massive attack right after it expired

[craggy totem]

She's the ancient master, we can't match up to her skills at it

[noble sapphire]

hey! started playing after the most recent major update. dark side is (still) ass. you're welcome

[nova oar]

True she has had a long time to get good at it

[worldly galleon]

I also think the slow down hex is way too expensive

[noble sapphire]

i don't mind expensive hexes when i have a 'lol lmao' approach to magick regain with stuff like unseen and glamour gain (?)

[craggy totem]

It can be pretty powerful, so I kinda get it

[nova oar]

Not that you should ever take unseen unless you're running 62f

[noble sapphire]

that feeling when you have automatic forms of mp regen and you get the boon that hurts every hitched enemy when you regain mp

[noble sapphire]

i love learning everything i do is backwards it's so fun

i just beat the game please god have mercy on my non-meta soul

[craggy totem]

It's suboptimal but like it's not the end of the world, you don't have to play meta

[worldly galleon]

the slow down one isn't even that good I feel

[nova oar]

What's the point of taking a 5 grasp arcana when it can be rendered useless 5 seconds into a run

Plus it disables huntress

[noble sapphire]

because it saves me having to seek out a magick regen and also if you're always spending magick huntress blips on and off

please stop telling me all of my choices suck gemstones for/are only useful in 62f i dont play 62f 😭

[nova oar]

I'm still traumatised from frenzy 10 bug days

[nova oar]

I'm not saying they suck for 62 i'm saying they suck in general

[worldly galleon]

disabling huntress only matters for non omega builds, in which case why would you need unseen in the first place? unseen isn't good but it's use case is basically disjoint from the huntress.

[noble sapphire]

you do see how that's worse right /lh @ luthien

[graceful sundial]

it amazes me how good voice acting is in this game. amelia tyler was such a great choice for Hecate, same for Judy Alice Lee for Mel

[noble sapphire]

sorry i just woke up i have glass bones and paper skin (this conversation is mad funny though)

[worldly galleon]

the only time I'd take unseen is back with the old torches doing a fine line build, even then it basically did nothing because that build was carried entirely by born gain

[nova oar]

You have huntress until you get a gain boon

[nova oar]

I do not

[worldly galleon]

🤷‍♂️ true

[noble sapphire]

'i'm not saying [your choices] suck for 62 i'm saying they suck in general'

[nova oar]

If you're playing denial and really don't want to get screwed out of something by taking gain then sure

[nova oar]

🤷‍♀️

[noble sapphire]

i'm not mad i just think this is a hilarious potential misunderstanding

unless you're actually being that brusque in which case i will need to get used to that but it's still mad funny

i have depicted you as the nemesisjak in my mind /j

[nova oar]

You can do what you want i'm just here to womansplain the meta

And if you don't play exactly like me you're going on my hitlist

[noble sapphire]

valid i'm just sort of playing in this weird hemispace where i'm optimizing some things but not others

[worldly galleon]

on 0 fear you can basically win by doing anything

[noble sapphire]

the highest fear i've done is i think 12 and it was babymode things i could handle

😔 true... but yeah i did only just beat the game properly, which, i guess doesn't say much when you just faceroll the two end bosses repeatedly until then

i've been taking stuff i could either not worry about or synergized with what i was doing instead like hordes, wards if i have really fast hits, etc

[worldly galleon]

I've lowkey come around on demeter's gain boon

[nova oar]

Yeah pretty much

[nova oar]

Not another one 😭

[worldly galleon]

it's like kinda cringe, but also it's sufficient sometimes

[noble sapphire]

i highkey refuse to come around on demeter's gain boon because if i am not constantly moving and attacking i will explode
not ingame, irl

[nova oar]

AMEN

[nova oar]

I'm too fear and speedpilled atp there's no going back

[noble sapphire]

ssppeeeedd !!

[nova oar]

I love speedrunning

Way more than high fear anyway

[noble sapphire]

i will say getting like 3 separate things that make it faster DID make aspect of nergal a lot funnier

[worldly galleon]

I've learned to settle...

[noble sapphire]

ngl i think i'm going to have to find a 12 fear minimum config that works for me because i'm greedy and want those altars that only open at 12f

[nova oar]

Just do max frenzy and timer

[noble sapphire]

vow of wards feels fine on daggers/staff/fists
it does Not feel fine on axe it feels Very Bad, in fact

[tropic ravine]

Haeilans video on fear helped me a lot you should watch it