h2-discussion

[grave gorge]

'Cause I doubt it would count brewed or purchased nectar

[noble sapphire]

i never brewed nectar anyway

ok i've given 31 nectar away

[grave gorge]

I bought nectar after almost every run so I wouldn't have to take nectar rooms lmao

[noble sapphire]

and rarely bought it

so i should be around ~29

[grave gorge]

Not far to go, you can get the rest in 3-4 underworld runs if you get lucky in fields

[noble sapphire]

yaaaaay

next run i will optimize for nectar, as many rerolls as i can get

[rustic basin]

Okay yeah nvm I can't be bothered with Omega gameplay right now

Hoping for Dual Hammers it is

[neon turtle]

Is max bond mostly just dialogue, with a few exceptions?

[buoyant matrix]

you also get a cool chibi under their keepsake

[jaunty basin]

you can add max bond characters to your funko pop collection

[noble sapphire]

get to tartarus
chronos: "be careful where you step, my girl..."
step on a trap within 1s of the voice line ending

i would not be mad or surprised if supergiant added him going 'see?'

[tropic ravine]

First sub 9 run (thanks to the people who helped me earlier today)

[light bear]

Does the Queen arcana make Duo boons rate 22% (base + 10%) or 13% (base x 1.1)?

[nova oar]

13% , IT'S REALLY BAD

[light bear]

Oh thats a disappointment

Ty for clarifying

[limpid oar]

It's nice to have when your arcana setup would get it for free but I'd never adjust one just to play queen

[noble sapphire]

I noticed that the minor finds go Ash-Bones-Nectar-???, and a major find went Magic-Health I think
Are these cycles consistent? Does Minor Find loop there or somewhere else, money? Does Major Find loop coherently?

[nova oar]

No it's random

[limpid oar]

I think you're trying to look for a pattern in something that's just random

[noble sapphire]

Every time I've used dice repeatedly, this run, it went Ash-Bones-Nectar
or Bones-Nectar

[gusty maple]

I'm pretty sure you can't find 2 ways with Ash - Boon though

[rustic basin]

The human-mind special

[nova oar]

Huh?

[limpid oar]

Yeah because one is a minor reward and the other is a major reward

[gusty maple]

Or maybe I've just not been paying attention ? But I totally feel the same about having rewards paired together

[noble sapphire]

Well yeah because they are separated into Minor and Major finds as defined by the artificer/etc

[nova oar]

Minor and major rewards are paired

[noble sapphire]

Minor includes ash, bone, nectar

[rustic basin]

You also cannot find Ash-Bossfight

[noble sapphire]

Major includes boon, max magic, max health

[gusty maple]

Okay yeah so it's not totally random, that's right

[noble sapphire]

I'm just saying it has always cycled from Ash, to Bones, to Nectar in that order when I use reroll, at least this entire run

where i've used like 8 dice

It might be seeded but I don't think it's true randomness

[nova oar]

Nothing is true randomness

[noble sapphire]

of course, but what i mean is like

I think it's exhibiting aspects of a permutation (order matters) rather than a merely non-repeating combination (random finds, but they're never the same twice in a row)

and to be clear i don't think i'm the first person to ever discover this, if it is a discovery and not just my imagination

[limpid oar]

You should ask about this in the speedrun discord, we can't datamine and discuss game code in here

[gusty maple]

Can reroll even give you the same reward as it was defined first without reroll ? If not it seems logical for minor rewards to follow in that order

[noble sapphire]

there's a separate discord for speedrunning? guh

[gusty maple]

Speedrun dudes are crazy, we don't want them here
Probably easier to organize since speedrun has very specific objectives

[nova oar]

We're among you at this very moment

[rustic basin]

It’s also generally just.. a thing for specific sub-groups to have a space like that

[limpid oar]

It's also got voice chats for people to chill and stream runs in

[limpid oar]

excuse me I am not a speedrunner I just play high fear 😭

[nova oar]

Who said I was talking about you :3

[noble sapphire]

okay so to be clear, this is my first run of the day
and it's a run that i actually picked up from yesterday
so i'm cautiously assuming it's seeded

but my sample size is small enough to legitimately just be wrong

i'm going to speed-test it a couple of runs where i try it, die, try again

[limpid oar]

I mean you said we and we're the only people in this convo who even are in the speedcord

[noble sapphire]

because i can't find a definitive answer that it is or isn't arbitrary

[nova oar]

I meant me and others in general

[limpid oar]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[wide wigeon]

hey

I started actively playing hades 2 recently couldn't do it when it came out cause I was busy doing silksong

[nova oar]

Yes?

[light bear]

Omg Ares legendary 100% movespeed + Hermes Keepsake + Nitro boost + Arcana sprint = faster than light speed

[wide wigeon]

this is a spoiler channel right? how hard is ||chronos 2nd phase||

[nova oar]

It's pretty easy

[nova oar]

#h2-for-new-players is less spoilers

[wide wigeon]

ah got it

[light bear]

||he has two instakill moves with very large telegraphed safe zones & charge time but apart from that its chill||

Charge time so long u can sit there dpsing

[shrewd silo]

Ares is much better here than Hades 1

[limpid oar]

H1 Ares was powerful, but annoyingly duo-reliant

[lilac palm]

just bought hades 1

i hope i like it as much as 2…

i already miss melinoe

[limpid oar]

Have fun! They're different games, so try to approach it with a fresh mind instead of just trying to play it like h2

[brazen ibex]

They improved Ares falling blades from H1 doom

The blood drops are so cool and that recent pickup range increase was much needed

I think blood drops would benefit from not falling as far away from you as they do

Gotta run to the other side of the room after killing an enemy to get em

[fervent sundial]

Okay I'm never choosing anyone over Hephaestus in a family dispute ever again
That is so brutal

[nova oar]

Sucks that they're still bad

[brazen ibex]

I like em! They just need buffs

It's also a shame they got capped because we were pulling off some funny nonsense

I once got so many blood drops the game stopped registering my attacks and I couldn't deal damage... good times

[brisk dirge]

Ikr?? So hard. I literally lost so much hp. One manageable may be Demeter cause her attacks can actually be avoided but man the others....even Apollo was too hard. Why don't they give boons with such attacks is beyond me. Hera, ares, Zeus, Hestia are terrible

[fervent sundial]

Hera is bad, as is Apollo, but I can just about handle the others.
Hera's is just really difficult to see.
Hephaestus though, you have to dash out of that circle immediately or take 15 damage

[nova oar]

Y'all are getting hit in family disputes?

[fervent sundial]

Here comes the "You're getting hit? Skill issue." again.
yawn

[nova oar]

Lmaoooo

Pretty much tho that's what 90% of the game comes down to

[fervent sundial]

slow clap

[nova oar]

[buoyant matrix]

hephaestus and ares are brutally fast

[thin laurel]

heph dispute sucks 💀 I hate dealing with it

also sometimes small oceanus room + shadow spiller or sucky-suck fangs upgrade makes it rly hard to avoid even the easy ones

ares idk though, no opinion. idr getting hit by it but also I almost never get offered ares disputes I feel
during EA I remember finding zeus that hardest but that's not true anymore

[shrewd silo]

Me losing 50% of my health reliably when the family disputes happen

[buoyant matrix]

ares trial is literally his dash effect
you think they fall slowly until they're against you
then you realize they fall ridiculously fast

[shrewd silo]

I've even died a couple times

[fervent sundial]

It's almost as though they're actually difficult

[thin laurel]

also hot take (maybe?), demeter is one of the easiest to dodge but is SO annoying if you're playing with revenants and timer 💀 let me grab my little green orbs smh

I avoid her like the plague when return is on
but otherwise she's maybe the most free

[fervent sundial]

Yeah Demeter is almost a non-issue. I find Hestia fairly straightforward (but annoying how much of the room it can occupy)

Zeus is okay (ish)

[thin laurel]

yeah, they're both quite chill. worse in small rooms but very doable
just. seeing an enemy respawn becasue it drops the revenant inside a demeter gust pisses me offfff

hera is also weird for me, I no hit her pretty often but any run where I get hit at all it's like. a near death experience lol

[nimble kernel]

Oh wow there's a new music video for Mountain of the gods. Idk if someone's mentioned yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZYWQsSxfTQ

[fervent sundial]

Depends how much attention the other enemies in the room allow you to pay

[thin laurel]

I think slowing down a bit helps with hera, her pattern isn't that hard to deal with it's just easy to get overconfident or panic and time it wrong
but you can wait for it to spawn then move just a little bit from the center and be fine

[fervent sundial]

Harpies are just the worst -_-

[thin laurel]

I take her over demeter at 62 lmaooo even tho hera is scarier, because losing time to demeter in regions 1 and 2 of UW sucks. give me my revenants 😒

[fervent sundial]

Yeah it's about not being on the pizza slice basically

Mithrix ROR2

[light bear]

I'm assuming death defiance related buffs dont spawn if you dont have Death arcana/Toula? Ive been stuck on the fated list for all of Echos buff with Survive buff being the only one missing for ages; it's probably because I only ran strength right?

[fervent sundial]

Yeah like you won't get Athena with her keepsake if you have Toula (or haven't used up the Death Defy)

[light bear]

Alright, might have to switch my arcana around for those fated lists then. I just love strength sm haha

[fervent sundial]

As someone who dies a lot, I feel you.

[brisk dirge]

Yea

[brisk dirge]

Ares is fast. I can dodge Hep though

[brisk dirge]

Iost a death defiance once at full health to Hera and Ares

[brisk dirge]

Ikr???? I started playing revenant and it was so hard cause they end up in the middle of the frost thing

[brisk dirge]

Nah uh he strikes hard. If only the attacks was not fast we could avoid it

[buoyant matrix]

being on what

[brisk dirge]

What dd related buff

[fervent sundial]

Hera pizza slice attack

[wintry wharf]

Is Scalding Vapor any good? Like on any fast weapon where you'd really pick up Froth anyway, getting rid of Froth for... 200 damage? In 2 secs sounds like a downgrade, unless I'm missing some mechanic

[light bear]

She gives u "replaces all used dd & they give more health"

[gusty maple]

I find Demeter, Hestia, Hera and Poseidon and Aphrodite to be quite easy compared to Apollo, Ares, Heph. Zeus is mildly annoying but manageable

I don't even know what Aphrodite's heart is doing to be fair because I never got hit by it

[storm glen]

thats how it goes with demeter too

[merry whale]

i like steam cuz froth has an icd, not enough to like carry a run but it can actually reach around 5th to 4th most damage

also steam can crit

[fervent sundial]

Is it light damage repeatedly?
Might work with the Air Quality thing

[wintry wharf]

Icd? Does that mean internal cooldown? Ah

So like what is Froth's average DPS?

[dry whale]

I have epic zeus special on black coat

Is it worth switchin to heroic appolo

[neon turtle]

How do I get the keepsakes on the third row, 2nd and 3rd boxes?

[merry whale]

ya so there's a limit to how effective rapid hits are with froth

and there's no way to make cast froth stronger so it's also the easiest to run steam on

just have to consider the fact that steam cannot proc origination for some reason

[wintry wharf]

Darn that sucks, so even if you pump the froth % to very high with something like Success Rate, it won't do much?

[merry whale]

ye succ rate is kinda ass with froth lol

[wintry wharf]

Til, thanks, Froth is weaker than I thought...

[merry whale]

mhm, it's still good for early parts of runs but it rarely will carry a game even if u get like heroic slippery

[wintry wharf]

[dreamy cave]

hello

is there a way to win vs prometheus?

[merry whale]

what r u struggling with him

like particular attacks

[dreamy cave]

i tried many builds but yet he keeps wining

[merry whale]

u can usually just camp him tbh

unless ur running a melee build

[dreamy cave]

yeah

[merry whale]

yea u kinda wanna just keep watch of him and make use of time windows to get dmg in before running tf away

one of the good examples is when he does the uppercut that creates a circle flame immediately, big window of opportunity to get dmg in

in phase 2 or phase 3, he will frequently start doing attack chains of 2 or 3 attacks

[light bear]

I always stand behind him to dodge all his moves and only watch out for when he winds up spinning to dodge out (for the spinning kick), wait for it to hit twice then go back in. Whenever the eagle is there sprint & dodge until it goes away

[dreamy cave]

ok i will try again

[merry whale]

so try to avoid staying near prometheus until u are sure he's not atk chaining

i believe atk chain tends to involve basic moves like uppercut, roundhouse kick, and lunge slam

[dreamy cave]

is there a vc ?

[merry whale]

nah

[dreamy cave]

why 🙁

[merry whale]

moderation (understandably)

[dreamy cave]

i'm gonna stream 🙂

[fervent sundial]

Ugh Typhon hanging on with 1HP for just long enough to kill me

those spinning spines are such bs

[merry whale]

ye the triple spines only show up after typhon does the chin slam, and it always moves from bottom to middle to top

in early access it used to spawn randomly

[brisk dirge]

Oh that one

[brisk dirge]

It stuns you and yea I don't mind it. Even now I got a Hep and Apollo family dispute and I chose Apollo. Also quick question, when should I try Vow of Rivals aa I heard it has good lore bits

[grave gorge]

How often do your runs end in a win?

If it's fairly often, try rivals!

[brisk dirge]

Often.but I do lose one or 2 dd if I am lucky at the last boss. I am a spam attack guy and not so dodge when I can guy. I try to attack at all windows 💀

[grave gorge]

That's my playstyle, too, and I play with full rivals on. Do it! Rivals will force you to get a better sense of when is safe to attack, when you need to dodge, and when you can trade taking a few hits for dishing out a few of your own

[brisk dirge]

Thanks. Which weapons are good at each rival? Also I maxed out Nergal yay!

[brisk dirge]

Nice

I had a stupid question lmao

[grave gorge]

Not a stupid question!

I would say that all weapons are good, to a point. You're just turning on Rivals, not doing 62 fear or anything, so just play whichever you're mist comfortable on to start out

[craggy totem]

I think the one caveat maybe is that full melee stuff with limited ranged options like Nergal might be more difficult to fight Rivals Polyphemus and Eris with

Due to specific mechanics in those fights

[grave gorge]

True.

Polyphemus you can get around by just waiting

Eris is a bit more of a problem

I'll also gently suggest not doing Rivals 4 until you've rolled credits on the game

for... reasons 🙂

[dense yacht]

Isn't rivals 4 locked behind the ending anyway?

[grave gorge]

is it? that would make sense

[wintry wharf]

I got a question about a postgame fight

||Isn't Zagreus poking Melinoe with Gigaros like, really dumb? I thought the whole point was that Gigaros got enchanted to unravel immortals? Why is he poking her with the super magical, existence eraser spear? Nothing was said about the enchantment disappearing. Meli literally comments to Nem on how she could, indeed, just kill any immortals if needed||

[grave gorge]

||Maybe the spell also requires intent?||
||Or maybe there's timeline shenanigans, where Mel still has the enchanted Gigaros, and Zag has an unenchanted one from the timeline where they grew up together||

[wintry wharf]

||But other timeline Giga would still be the same one, Meli handed it over to him after she erased Typhon with the Monstrosity incantation and then casted Dissolution of Time, it would still be fully loaded||

[gusty maple]

||Isn't Mel's Gigaros a sort of enchanted essence rather than a real weapon ?||

[wintry wharf]

||Maybe? She DOES only bring it up against Typhon in postgame surface runs after time traveling back, so dunno if essence, or if she was set back to that time where she had it Either way, it's odd||

[brisk dirge]

Waiting? I think his circle attack is annoying which j know will be worse when he is rivaled

[brisk dirge]

The question was if I unlock the next set of bosses will j still go through the previous set ?

[dull tendon]

Lv 5 heroic Hephaestus atk and Chain Reaction is absolute insanity oh my God

[craggy totem]

Yes, you can't "only turn it on for #3" or anything.

[brisk dirge]

Chain reaction?

[brisk dirge]

Ouch

[grave gorge]

yes, rivals is addative, not selective

[brisk dirge]

OUCH. Any tips?

[dull tendon]

Can use a second blast within 2 secs of activating the first

[brisk dirge]

I just maxed nergal and I don't want to know it is a waste

[dull tendon]

It's basically infinite blasts

[brisk dirge]

Ooh

[grave gorge]

Yeah, like

Just chill in a corner for a minute until it's safe to go again

[brisk dirge]

Knowing me that will be hard.

Did my Nergal investment not pay off?

[grave gorge]

Not great for timer, but great for learning the fight

Do you enjoy playing Nergal?

Typing too much, yes or no question

[brisk dirge]

I tried it once but I had to leave suddenly and the game restarted the run. It was....uh...interesting but it was when I just got It so I dunno it's effect. Someone here said it is only good when I raise it a few levels

[brisk dirge]

🤣

[grave gorge]

Oohhhhhhh lol

Well, no, you've eventually gonna max out all your aspects anyway. Personally, I love Nergal, I think it's really fun to just go smashy smashy everywhere

[brisk dirge]

Also the way Mel uses it was.....uh....interesting

[grave gorge]

Is it great for high fear? No, but who cares?

[craggy totem]

The effect of each aspect is written on it if you open the aspect selection menu

[brisk dirge]

The thing is now I have to farm nightmare again

[brisk dirge]

Oh?

[grave gorge]

You're gonna be playing anyway
do your testaments as you do your runs, and use the credit card machine to order nightmare

[brisk dirge]

..........ouch. I wanted to use it for high fear

[grave gorge]

Then use it for high fear!

What are you, trying to set world record pace?

[craggy totem]

If you're in a run already and not at the Crossroads, you can also still double-check your aspect's effect by opening up your boon menu and hovering over the weapon icon. Reading will give you powers.

[brisk dirge]

How do I get more credit cards? It just randomly appears. Also why does my charon keepsake have a cute sticker 🤣

[grave gorge]

-you get one each time you've spent a cumulative 1,000 gold during runs

-it means charon likes you

[craggy totem]

If you open up your inventory and hover over the slot of each item, I'm pretty sure it generally also tells you how each is obtained.

[brisk dirge]

You did say it is not great for High fear. Which aspect(hidden) is great anyway? Also who has the unlocking thjng?

[brisk dirge]

So I have ro use 1000 coins...got it

[brisk dirge]

Will try it

Gtg sleep. 1.42 am. Will continue in a few hours. Bye

[crude dragon]

It's cleared 62F without much issue, though?

[grave gorge]

Exactly what I was trying to say
is it the best? No, but who cares? It's fine, it works, if you like it, play it and don't worry about what's technically top of the meta

[crude dragon]

??????

If that's what you were trying to say, it was phrased horribly

[grave gorge]

Your critique is noted.

tbf, I would have said it more clearly if the person hadn't gone immediately to bed after asking a follow-up question about it

[crude dragon]

Is it ideal for high fear? No, but it is provably good enough

Plus it's a weapon that you can run Strength with

[craggy totem]

I mean, I would not have parsed "great" as meaning "good enough"

[tidal cliff]

Nergal with heph legendary and the hammer that upgrades berserk is actually crazy when you have 0% healing

[grave gorge]

also remember who we're talking to

this isn't someone looking to push from 55-60 fear, this is someone who hasn't rolled credits yet. They don't need to worry about a nerdy argument about the fine points of Nergal. It's a great weapon, it's dumb smashy smashy fun and they should be encouraged to enjoy the game and try out all the things

[tidal cliff]

Does seething Marauder count as an attack? I know it counts towards the attack damage at the end screen but I wonder if it counts as a berserk hit to charge/heal off of

[wintry wharf]

How exactly Harm for the Afflicted works? Most confusing wording ever

[rustic basin]

In fairness, every Aspect is good enough at 62

[rustic basin]

I believe it’s yes and no respectively, but not 100% sure on the latter

[crude dragon]

Each unique curse you inflict also inflicts a DoT

[craggy totem]

Harm for the Afflicted? No, it's not each unique curse. It only applies the first time you apply a curse to a previously completely uncursed target, and apparently the 1s cooldown is global, not per-target.

If it was "every unique curse" it would be good.

[crude dragon]

Oh, so it's ghetto Hangover

[rustic basin]

Yep, there’s a little icon on your HUD that tells you when it’s off cooldown

[river lake]

they gotta buff hel omega attack by making it Not Take 10 billion years to even start

[tidal cliff]

And make it so I don’t have to sit there and hope it comes out in time otherwise I’ll have to dash and start the timer again

[noble sapphire]

i figured out prometheus does his lil jumps when he's gonna sweep kick or stomp so i can avoid being hurt while using close range
i feel like i gained in skill by realizing

1. specific enemies are worse to deal with; they have telegraphs
2. you don't need to panic: observe telegraphs on bosses and you can not just tank but completely avoid an attack

being fast enough to respond, but not so fast you dodge right into attacks, is part of 'flow'

[dense light]

Lmao I think I got my fastest Scylla run yet

[wise wave]

I got Winter Harvest. When I fight Prometheus this boon doesnt affect with him but it work with Heracles and Typhon. Anyone know?

[summer elk]

Her technique looks like she's in a cartoon. It's oddly comical considering how serious she is when she fights.

[crude dragon]

It doesn't execute Prometheus because it bugs the fight when it used to proc on him

[storm glen]

why couldnt they just have fixed the bug and kept it working

[crude dragon]

Since he sticks around at the end to talk

[storm glen]

give him like a focus sash or something

[noble sapphire]

okay, one problem with lunar ray
the upgrade that makes it target enemies freely? nice
the way it targeted exclusively typhon eggs and not the eyeball 5 inches in front of me? not nice

it literally spun like 180 degrees to not aim at the eye and instead aim at random garbage 😭

[wintry wharf]

But, doesn't Chronos also have dialogue post defeat? So does Harvest not work with Chronos if that's the reasoning?

[wise wave]

Is it a bug? It's already triggered but it show "IMMUNE" on him and he's not dead. He's also immunity with Cut Above when I affect on him.

[crude dragon]

Yeah, he sticks around if he goes down first. That's normal for Heroes Rival Prometheus

[crude dragon]

Chronos doesn't have a second boss in the fight

[noble sapphire]

oh my god i beat typhon again because i learned his attacks and telegraphs

[crude dragon]

Excellent

[noble sapphire]

second clear ever and it went so much better

i burnt like 4 DD last time and only had 2 by the time i got to him here

the thing that consistently screws me up was when he charges up and slams his chin down

[crude dragon]

Guessing you keep going in too early?

[noble sapphire]

because while i was reacting i was reacting the wrong time/direction

i was in melee range so it was about dodging at the right time/place

[crude dragon]

Well, yeah, it's kind of assumed you're up in his face (since it's unironically the safest place in the arena)

[noble sapphire]

in another timeline, unrivaled typhon is typhon and echidna

[wintry wharf]

When the power of Love is used against you...

[noble sapphire]

lmaooo

is the little boon goober from the menu/zeus' palace supposed to represent something specific? like, is it a 'melinoe boon'

it kinda looks like an onion.

[cobalt flint]

It’s just an icon to represent boons in general

[noble sapphire]

ah okay

[cobalt flint]

Sorta like an “empty boon” associated with nobody specific

[noble sapphire]

that does make sense yeah

does hades 1 use that same icon? that'd make sense too

[cobalt flint]

Hades 1 used a green icon iirc? Which they probably changed due to confusion with artemis

[abstract depot]

really struggling with rivals scylla using AoT

I had Lv5 Flutter Strike, Exceptional Talent and Furious Whirlwind but couldn’t push out a win

I’m just thinking Rivals Scylla is harder than it probably should

[crude dragon]

Than Axe, I assume?

[abstract depot]

Yeah it really shouldn’t be this hard, i beat reg typon and rivals prometheus with than axe

[crude dragon]

I mean, Unrivaled Sirens is debatably the second-hardest fight in the game after Unrivaled Chronos

So it makes sense that you're struggling

[grave gorge]

Debatable

[abstract depot]

Rivals Scylla sucks so much ass to fight because how do I dodge all this HELLFIRE

[grave gorge]

What are you struggling with, specifically? Not finding enough time to do damage while dodging?

[abstract depot]

i usually get staggered on dodging so i’ll dodge one hit then get hit by another no matter what

[noble sapphire]

wait... incandescent aura harms hitched enemies when i regen magick
i am always regenerating magick if below max due to the unseen card

[crude dragon]

Biggest thing's gonna be killing the two Charybdis tentacles next to Roxy so you can safely blow her up

[noble sapphire]

so does this mean i can just passively constantly harm hitched enemies

that's amazing

[abstract depot]

Also scylla’s dash is more unfair than aetos’ dash, genuinely annoying

[crude dragon]

There's a small internal cooldown

[noble sapphire]

still it is a synergy and that's super cool

[abstract depot]

unavoidable headass attack that feels luck based, psure there’s a quarter second window to dodge it

[noble sapphire]

if i could get the aphro weakness gain passive it would be ridiculous

[grave gorge]

Scylla dash is definitely annoying, but if you aren't getting hit by much else, it's very survivable. The rest of the damage in the fight is a little easier to dodge, so focus on that

Specifically, get good at dodging the tentacles. They have big telegraphs, just be super ready to dash away when you need to

For me, I'm focused on killing Roxy first. Killing at least one of the tentacles near her is a high priority. Once she goes down, Scylla is usually pretty low, so I take her out, too. Then I go around and clean up, and I take my time there. I usually accept a fair amount of damage rushing down the first tentacle and Roxy, so the cleanup phase is done far more carefully, but it's also way less chaotic without Roxy and Scylla to mess with you

[abstract depot]

Ok ok, i’ll try that, Moros Flames are what i generally use and those are free if you get good boon setups

[grave gorge]

It's just about finding an acceptable balance between damage taken and damage done, and that ratio will change depending on your health pool, your fear, etc

[abstract depot]

Ok i got Lv3 Heroic Flutter Strike, Psych Whirlwind, Fine Line AND Exceptional Talent

Unloseable right

[grave gorge]

Just stay on your toes and use your full toolkit—if you don't have time to charge that whirlwind, don't be greedy

You can do this

[noble sapphire]

aspect of nyx is really fun
flying tackle the enemy for bonus attacks

[hollow lily]

God damn it, if you kill a guardian and their attack hits you after you've drowned them you shouldn't get damaged from it. I just got killed in a bs way by Heracles swing AFTER I DOWNED HIM

[grave gorge]

I had Eitos snipe me after the fight once, I was so mad lmao

[hollow lily]

Yeah that pissed me off too

[abstract depot]

Ok i did it this time

Tyvm @grave gorge

[grave gorge]

Hell yeah, good job!

[midnight moss]

I've never timed it, but how (un)common is it to have a fight last so long that you hear all the music? Chronos's Minute 5 of 8 sounds familiar at least.

[grave gorge]

Depends on playstyle, I suppose

[void kindle]

Is there an appropriate channel to list that I'd like to sell my Supergroupies watch? I have to sell some things due to an unexpected health expense.

[latent wharf]

I can NOT beat Typhon I did it once in early access and NEVER again he's WHOOPING me

[midnight moss]

What weapon are you using?

Oh, Typhon, nvm. High Damage is usually good since he's so phased.

[latent wharf]

I'm using a mostly Hephaestus/Aphrodite/Hera Origination/Strength run with mostly heroic loadout I think I'm just being too careless now because I just wanna BEAT HIM 😭

[full cove]

What does kneeling at the Oath do? I don't think I payed attention to that incantation but it's just altering my fate? What does that mean?

[grave gorge]

It resets the RNG seed that generates your next run

[full cove]

Ok?! Doesn't it do that anyway?

[grave gorge]

Not if you reset the run from the pause menu!

[full cove]

Oh. I get it

If I undo a night I can reroll it's parameters

I don't think 99% of players ever even think about doing that but cool

[grave gorge]

So, say you're going for a specific hermes boon
Say, for example, Winner's Circle
So you start a surface run
Go to ephyra
Hit the hermes room first
Spend all 10 rolls trying to get the dang thing
Reset your run
Kneel before the thing
Do it again, over and over and over

...not that I'm bitter

[latent wharf]

If literally anyone has some reliable Typhon builds PLEASE let me know btw because I'm about to lose it he has thoroughly humbled me today. I wipe the floor with Chronos every time. I'm open to suggestions. I mostly like the coat and sister blades and going no DD 💕

[grave gorge]

Most builds are fine for Typhon. Instead of worrying about your build, pick one attack he does that you're struggling to dodge and just focus on dodging it. Get good at taking less damage, one attack at a time.

[latent wharf]

This is good advice. I think I'm just getting reckless now because I want to beat him. I'm be no means at all new to the series in general and I can get to Typhon without issue, so it's definitely I think HOW I'm approaching him. Perhaps a cooldown period is in order 😂

[grave gorge]

If you have the damage and defense to reach typhon, then you have the damage and defense to beat typhon. You just need to take a little less damage during the fight. Dodge enough things and the boss dies

[hard jay]

Trying out a run where I can only get boons from 1 god and I can’t believe I’m saying this but ares only somehow performed a bit better than heph only

I guess blood drops are better than we give it credit for (I ran morrigan for heph and moros for ares)

[noble sapphire]

To cultivate proper yomi, the mind for battle, you must be aware of what imbalances it. If you're too eager to do damage, realize damage can wait and be 'made up for', health cannot. If you're too afraid of a certain attack, learn it so well it becomes second nature. If you're aware a certain range is your weakness, inhabit it aggressively to accustom yourself to it OR avoid it as best you can.

I personally got a lot better at Typhon when I realized while I was really good at using fast, close range attacks overall, his chin smash was the problem, so I learned to anticipate it and get far enough away from it, because losing a second of DPS was worth not losing that much HP.

[latent wharf]

I went into him full health, no DD Strength, mostly Heph boons epic at the lowest with knucklebones and he crushed me so it's probably more a technique issue than a build issue, thank you guys for giving me that perspective of "maybe I need to just be less hasty"

[noble sapphire]

Yeah, in 'twitchy' action games it can be really easy to ride the wave of aggression and zeal to the point you can ram right into a wall

It is well to be an unstoppable force until you meet an immovable object; then you have to reevaluate

Being way too hypermobile and aggressive was leading to me dodging INTO attacks and staying in melee range when disengaging would've prevented a lot of damage

Basically: unless you're actively speedrunning, preserving mercury drop/hydraulic might, or under the timer Vow*, you can definitely afford to wait a second if it means not getting ganked
(probably not every example of time mattering, but you get what i mean)

[crude dragon]

It's a QoL for speedrunners (and high Fear)

In the first game and before Warsong, recording speedruns and unseeded high Fear runs had to include a death at the start to prove it wasn't seeded

[hearty fog]

I think he's still top 3, as he was in H1.

[crude dragon]

Nah

Zeus, Hestia, and Hera are all better than him

[grave gorge]

as are aphrodite, poseidon, apollo, demeter...
dionysus, athena, artemis...
basically anyone willing to offer boons...

[latent wharf]

You definitely can get some crazy damage output with Ares but I think you have to be way more.... specific? with what you pick with him than you do the likes of Zeus, Hestia or Hera from my personal experience

[shrewd silo]

Aphrodite Demeter and hepestus are all better than him

[latent wharf]

Some of the things I have done with Hera's builds have been simply absurd

[shrewd silo]

Especially in combo with each other

[latent wharf]

I am a Heph shill I fear. Hephaestus special on heroic level they could never make me hate you

[noble sapphire]

getting triple heph was absurd

it was on aspect of than axe too iirc so i would just run in, whackwhackdash, hammer blows to high heaven

[grave gorge]

Heph is real fun, he just requires a LOT of rarity and poms

[latent wharf]

Triple Heph with heroic and 2 sec recharge with Momus aspect staff was absolutely cracked

Clearing the room with like three button presses at most

[abstract depot]

Are we about to invent Hades Nuzlockes?

[hearty fog]

Mutual Destruction is a top 5 boon in the game.

[wintry wharf]

It is!

[latent wharf]

Using narcissus' keepsake to make Demeter's Snow Queen rarity boosting boon heroic so that every three encounters I gain rarity on my boons is my favourite thing to do

[dense light]

I forgot how much I played in EA cos I just did 4 runs back to back and it feels like I haven’t been gone since like July lmao

Which I have unless you count the 1 run I gave up on cos I wasn’t feeling it that day

[abstract depot]

Beating rivals 4 consistently is so hard

24f rn

Trying to use my weaker weapons (Than, Nergal)

[hearty fog]

@abstract depot Have you tried Eternity in your Arcana and Omega Attack spam with Nergal?

[abstract depot]

Idts?

[hearty fog]

I watched the first few minutes of a downstairs 50F clear with it, my first run trying it (just took off Lovers for Eternity) I got my first 32F VoR4 clear.

[abstract depot]

With how sluggish axe is, eternity might be the call, i need to stop staying still when attacking though lol

It’s only lapses of judgement cause ik i gotta shuffle around

But trying to process so much information is tough at times

[latent wharf]

I respect all axe lovers because I just can't get used to it for the LIFE of me. Except than aspect

[silk field]

Use the range and aoe to your advantage

[abstract depot]

Its the speed you have to get used to

[hearty fog]

You can dash out of a channeling Omega Attack and it will still activate.

[abstract depot]

Its incredibly awkward compared to other weapons

[silk field]

This is great for closing on enemies, but you don't get the i-frames when you do that, so just be mindful of that

[hearty fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejnbY7VQL4

[latent wharf]

oops

[hearty fog]

I think they boogied from the server since 1.0 hit, but this is the exact set-up but I used Death instead of Strength.

[abstract depot]

ThanAxe is best to get used to axe, Charon is great AoE, Mel is vanilla axe and Nergal is honestly the most fun at max cause 9 hits turns you berserk and turns up your attack rate by alot

also free healing

[hearty fog]

That healing keeps me alive.

[silk field]

It's certainly subjective, but I always found the weird weapons like torch and skull to be more awkward

[abstract depot]

Torch is my favourite, Moros to be exact

I’m in the ballpark that Moros torch is completely unbalanced compared to the rest of the game cause you just obliterate everything at a distance, melee goons cannot touch you and ranged goons are super telegraphed so you only have to worry about guardians

[hard jay]

What aspect would be the best for a Zeus only run? Zeus is usually a god you want on builds where you want to use both your attacks and specials and you only want Zeus on one of those in a build so there isn’t a clear best weapon for him unlike heph and ares

[hearty fog]

There's more than a few melee enemies with long range, and more than a few can lunge in their attacks.

"What god would be best for a Zeus-only run?" Gonna have to say Zeus.

[latent wharf]

I do like the flames, the skull I definitely do find the clunky if you don't get auto retrieve

[wintry wharf]

Hera

[hearty fog]

I'd probably do Medea if I were soloing Zeus.

[hard jay]

Aspect my bad

[hearty fog]

Sorry.

[tropic ravine]

You should try aspect of Medea

[wintry wharf]

Zeus Shield 👍

[hard jay]

Supay might be pretty good

[tropic ravine]

If you use it correctly you gonna get them back easily

[hearty fog]

Oh, yeah, Supay would be really good.

[abstract depot]

I struggle to wrap my head around Medea as powerful as it is, high skill ceiling aspect and it drives me bonkers cause i overshoot and miss everything

[wintry wharf]

X-S-X-S-X-S

[tropic ravine]

I promise you there’s no skill needed

[tropic ravine]

Just swipe from attack to special

[latent wharf]

I find myself overshooting too!

[tropic ravine]

But one thing I don’t like is that it’s not that fun sometimes

[tidal cliff]

Ecstatic obsession on typhon eggs just makes them auto die

[abstract depot]

It’s what I do but hitting stuff is the issue and pathing properly so i don’t cannon myself into 4 objects that will take 100 health

[tropic ravine]

Thanatos axe is soooo fun

[hard jay]

Circe could also be great now that I think about it

[abstract depot]

Staff sucks

[tropic ravine]

Fair

[latent wharf]

I do love me some than axe I really do

[abstract depot]

Might be the most underpowered weapon in the game, damage is so pitiful

[tropic ravine]

Yeah def

[latent wharf]

Momus staff with Heph boons is pretty crazy

[tropic ravine]

Same with the mech suit imo

[abstract depot]

shiva is solid but the rest are mid

[tidal cliff]

Dashstrike>special is like a ripoff Medea but with staff aspect abilities, I like it

[wintry wharf]

What makes it too notable unless Heph has extremely low cooldowns with level and rarity? Kinda absolutely any aspect with Heph boons is pretty crazy at that rate

[abstract depot]

Shiva has 1 of 3 67f clears so it has to be great right?

[hearty fog]

It's very strong and the most incomprehensible Aspect in the game for me.

[wintry wharf]

IT DOES!?
Peak Destruction, wow

[abstract depot]

Medea Skull
Melinoe Staff
Shiva Coat

Are the 3 to clear 67f

[wintry wharf]

A default aspect being up there still feels so comically silly lol

[abstract depot]

Probably didn’t realise you could go into the silver pool until post game

[tidal cliff]

The only aspects that I very much dislike is mel coat and Persephone skull, the omega special on skull feels horrible to use even as Persephone and Mel coat isn’t really omega attack or omega special focused and in normal attacks and specials it’s outclassed by nyx, so Mel coat has no viable gimmick

[nova oar]

Shiva my goat

[nova oar]

Mel coat gimmick is way better than the selene one

[merry whale]

mel coat go zoom

[latent wharf]

This is true, really. It's specifically with low cooldown but even then most of the other weapons with low cooldown Heph is pretty cracked and arguably more functional

[wintry wharf]

Counterpoint: Mel Coat doesn't have Godsent Skyfall

[hearty fog]

I liked Selene way more when we could put a Curse on Sky Fall.

[tidal cliff]

Selene one feels nice when you spam omega special and omega attack because you get hex super fast and gets you moon arcana

[nova oar]

I think it's the weakest coat because you need to use omegas so much for the hex

[latent wharf]

Mel coat my beloved (I am speedpilled)

[hearty fog]

Now you get funny Wounds Sky Fall once per Location, twice against Guardians with the upgrade, and potentially more if Athena rolls the one boon whose name I'm forgetting.

[wintry wharf]

I mean, Coat Omegas are good so like, I don't see the weakness

[hearty fog]

After watching that JoJo Mel Coat run I need to retry it.

[wintry wharf]

Huh? What does Athena have for godsents??

[tidal cliff]

But Selene and shiva are like THE omega coats and nyx is THE normal attack coat so Mel is just… the speed coat?? Like it doesn’t have a place at all

[craggy totem]

Is this ragebait or

[hearty fog]

She has a boon that adds uses per location that increases with rarity.

[abstract depot]

I am not a fan of staffs

[craggy totem]

You attack with it

[tidal cliff]

Nyx is better for that though

[craggy totem]

I am not a fan of Charon but I'm not out here claiming that it's the weakest aspect

[wintry wharf]

Whaaat? I never saw that I think

[craggy totem]

You attack faster with it

[nova oar]

Shiva is really good, selene just requires a lot more investment to be as good as mel coat

[hearty fog]

It's not common, I think it's got a low roll rate even when you have a Godsent.

Task Force.

[abstract depot]

I mean if you think its the weakest aspect then that’s your opinion 🤔 we may only discuss such

[nova oar]

Nyx is better than both

[wintry wharf]

Yep, never saw it, is it an unlockable like Crimson Dress?

[hearty fog]

I don't think so?

[crude dragon]

Task Force lets you use it more times per room

And yes, it's something you have to unlock

[wintry wharf]

Zamn, never completed Arachne's quest. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha

[hearty fog]

It's Athena, not Arachne.

[craggy totem]

Mel staff objectively is not low damage, though. Like, that's a thing which can be proven mathematically.

[hearty fog]

I still haven't finished Arachne's sidequests and I have it.

[wintry wharf]

I know but I assumed that if unlockable it'd be related to the one quest Athena is related to, huh

[hearty fog]

Yeah, I think Mel Staff is in contention for best Aspect in the game right now, with Circe.

[abstract depot]

I mean i don’t know! I never claimed it is low damage, i said it feels low damage, also i straight up don’t like staff so i’m extra biased

I’m probably not building it right if anything

[craggy totem]

Are you relying on omega moves or something

[crude dragon]

https://youtu.be/9NshCC7K91w?si=MoWe70BDOKL0Ot3B

Here's some video proof it's not low damage

(It's Boated beating max Fear UW with it)

[abstract depot]

I believe you

my takes are not absolute lets not gang up now

[wintry wharf]

Staff is my least liked weapon, I only had fun playing with Anubis

[craggy totem]

I just checked and Task Force is Athena's "legendary" (it has the flavor text)

So I believe you do need to max her relationship

[nova oar]

I mean you're obviously doing smth wrong if you think staff is low damage

[abstract depot]

I admitted such yes

I’m gonna try and beat max fear with Moros Flames at some point though

jewelled pom is best for high fear right

[tidal cliff]

getting a nearby pet and doing circe and then dashstrike>special is very fun when you get the right setups

[nova oar]

good luck playing omegas

[abstract depot]

One born gain fixes everything!

[tidal cliff]

Vow of hubris +born gain is magic prime hell unless ur taking all the magic you can find

[craggy totem]

Can the Hecs of the Underheck save you from yourself? 🤔 (Hecuba + Hecate)

[thin laurel]

at max fear born gain kinda sucks ngl. 62 fear? sure, workable
but max fear means hubris AND max void, so you have no persistence and start with like 30 max magick or whatever

[abstract depot]

Oops

[thin laurel]

even with hecuba that’s gonna be tricky. ig no sorceress slows down your magcik usage, but. still.
I’d recommend lucid gain, flood gain, maybe even cardio

but also 67 is absurdly hard lol I have no interest in going above 62, and for 62 hell yeah play moros

[abstract depot]

I thought lucid gain was giga F tier

[wintry wharf]

Lucid bad????? Wat

[craggy totem]

What why

[thin laurel]

got changed in 1.0, are you an early access player

[abstract depot]

perhaps

[thin laurel]

pre 1.0 it was amazing for charon and eh for everything else

now it’s arguably the single best gain boon lmao

[nova oar]

Lucid gain is so good what

[thin laurel]

but even in EA it was never giga F tier or even close to that

[craggy totem]

Do you also think that Scorch sucks and Pan is OP ;P

[abstract depot]

scorch is solid, great DoT

i don’t use Blades much

[thin laurel]

well, use lucid gain more lol
insanely good boon

[craggy totem]

I salute you for answering a tease with earnestness 🫡

[nova oar]

Ok good luck getting born gain, magic, and enough core boons to win 67

[abstract depot]

My ass had too much hubris before reading. Ok

[thin laurel]

the change from EA is that:
EA - you restore magick if you’re standing inside your cast when it expires
1.0 - you restore magick when your cast expires no matter where you are.
with post ending keepsakes and a little rarity you’re easily restoring like… 125+ magick every 3 seconds if you cast on cooldown. faster if you take winner’s circle

[abstract depot]

Autism be damned

[abstract depot]

Guess i’ll take lucid more then

[broken glen]

Did someone say autism

[abstract depot]

Someone did say autism, i am the autism

[broken glen]

I am the autism. I am the neuro who diverges

[noble sapphire]

why does medea keepsake not give any indication it's active, if you need to take damage

[craggy totem]

Does it not have a damage tracker right on the keepsake icon?

[noble sapphire]

i can check manually yes but i can't do that midfight without leaving myself open

it seems like it'd be really easy for it to have an overhead text like when you activate an infusion boon

esp since it only needs to pop once and then be active so long as you have it equipped

[hard jay]

Just finished Zeus only and it performed around as well as I expected (better than Aphrodite only but a bit worse than heph and ares only)

[nova oar]

Can't you just wait until a non combat room

[noble sapphire]

i can, i'm not saying it's impossible
i'm saying it's less user-friendly than it could be

there's a precedent for cute lil easy to see notifiers when you gain or lose a conditional like Perfect Image, i don't see why medea's gift should force you to open boons to check a value that will never go down (damage taken) or an activity state that is binary and will not go off after going on (unless you unequip the fleece)

[hard jay]

Oh yeah, Demeter is probably going to by far the worst one right (how good a build is for this is determined by its dps against chronos)

[nova oar]

You shouldn't be using the fleece anyway so doesn't really matter

[noble sapphire]

i don't but one of the chaos trials made me
which is how i realized it's goofy

[junior quartz]

Could you elaborate more? I sometimes use it for the last floor when I am doing an omega heavy run. What are the best keepsakes usually for the last floor?

[buoyant matrix]

fang, knuckle bones, antler, pin

+40% damage exclusively to omegas isn't a lot when there's a bajillion other sources that provide +%

[junior quartz]

Knuckle bones was one I used a lot before I got the true ending. Maybe I should use Pin more, I don't think I have ever equipped it.

[devout cairn]

Use bell

[junior quartz]

Is this for real or a troll?

[craggy totem]

It's a joke

[buoyant matrix]

fleece isn't a bad choice for final region, it's just not a good one either

[devout cairn]

Real

[junior quartz]

Good to know

[nova oar]

Same with eye, it's not bad there are just multiple keepsakes that are better

[tropic ravine]

Dead chat

Please chat revive I’m bored

[thin laurel]

in addition to what other people said:
Fleece only buffs omega move weapon damage, so if your build does significant cast, non-omega, or olympian damage (i.e. blitz and scorch etc), Fang will give you more total damage.
in the rare situation where Fleece would give you more damage for the final boss than Fang, Metallic Droplet will outdo Fleece since channeling faster = more total omegas moves

it’s just in a really awkward place as a keepsake tbh

[brisk dirge]

Lmao

[crude dragon]

I would recommend doing so

It's arguably the best keepsake in the game

[nova oar]

Antler is the best defensive keepsake. Discuss

[nova oar]

You mean pin right

[crude dragon]

Yes

[nova oar]

Good

[crude dragon]

Bones are also pretty alright, but Pin is excellent from early game to the endgame

[craggy totem]

Would you call it.... the pinnacle of keepsake choices?

[crude dragon]

I'd have to put a pin in it

[broken glen]

Knuckle bones is a really good pick for Promacles

[crude dragon]

Also Sirens

[nova oar]

Since when?.

[crude dragon]

Why wouldn't the "hit everyone for 15% and reduce their damage dealt" be good for the bullet hell fight with 9 enemies to kill?

[nova oar]

Oh u mean rivals

[crude dragon]

Yep

[nova oar]

I'd still take fig or chrolex

[tropic ravine]

How bro you have 30 health

[crude dragon]

30 health is irrelevant when everything's too dead to hit you

[broken creek]

fr since everything dies faster so theres less chances to get hit

or the other side of 30hp makes you play super safe sometimes

[crude dragon]

Also, you can stack armor and other free hits

[tropic ravine]

Hmm

Thing is only people who play the game a lot would be good at it plus it can be very situational if you have the right boons or not

Like what armour

[crude dragon]

30% crit rate (before considering other increases like Success Rate or Cherished Heirloom) is nothing to snub

[tropic ravine]

I think we’re forgetting Luthien said it’s the best DEFENSE keepsake

[crude dragon]

We're not

[tropic ravine]

.

[broken creek]

offense is inadvertently defense

[crude dragon]

The best defense is to kill everything first :3

[broken creek]

your best defense is just not getting hit in the first place

[tropic ravine]

Hm

Idk

[crude dragon]

And if they're dead, they're not hitting you

[broken creek]

although id call pin a better defensive keepsake, just antler funny enough technically is

[tropic ravine]

Can you use pin more than once in a location/encounter?

[crude dragon]

You can't

[grave gorge]

Offense is the best defense

I'm just not good enough to equip Wantler, so the best defensive keepsake for me is Knucks

[tropic ravine]

Real

[nova oar]

And 30% crit chance

[tropic ravine]

When you upgrade the antlers what changes

[crude dragon]

Crit rate goes up

10% -> 20% -> 30% -> 50%

[nova oar]

50% antler goes so hard

[tropic ravine]

That’s weird I have it at no upgrades yet it it’s at 30

[broken glen]

Cherished heirloom goes crazy with antler

[crude dragon]

You have Success Rate?

[storm glen]

success rate does not boost rates by 200% 💔

[crude dragon]

It did when the Bridal bug was a thing :3

[broken glen]

A new bug was found on Medea where success rate boosts everything by 200%

[grave gorge]

Wantler and bell the only two keepsakes I don't have maxed

[tropic ravine]

Yeah def 100%

[broken glen]

I would believe it with the accidental 100% cast damage in Unseen update 💀

[storm glen]

You yearn for times deserving to be forgotten.

[broken glen]

There’s so many funny clips from early access

I saw one where concave stone hit burnt offering and ate all of the player’s boons 💀

[storm glen]

i remember prenerf chronos boomerang

[broken glen]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[storm glen]

112!

#h2-discussion message

[broken glen]

Kids these days complain about 1.0 anchor… they don’t know how bad it was…

[verbal field]

I DID IT! I DIDN'T FORGET!

Hahaha

[thin laurel]

late to this conversation but: lowkey it is
situationally, yes.
but it reduces how much damage I take from enemies more than any other keepsake lmao. free room clear, shorter boss fights, easier to cancel some boss attacks by damage racing

I think it's notable that the only 62 fear run I've won with Antler is one where I entered tartarus with only 1 DD left, and didn't get any more. it ended up being damageless Chronos because the fight ended before he could hit me enough times to get through my free hits + armor
without antler, I am fairly certain I would have died 🤷 since judging by how often I took hits and how little health and DDs I went in with, I would have taken enough damage to kill me

[storm glen]

i feel like ur stretching the definition of defensive bc by this logic everything is defensive

jpom is defensive bc it gives you pom damage boosts which helps u kill faster which makes u get hit less

[thin laurel]

I mean I am kind of memeing for the sake of the discussion but also I do mean what I said
and I think "I'm at really low hp right now so the only way I survive this run at all is antler" is not as much of a stretch as "literally everything that makes your build stronger is defensive"

[crude dragon]

Jpom is defensive because it also buffs defensive boons like Hot Pot and Trusty Shield :3

[thin laurel]

also idk, I wouldn't even disagree that most keepsakes have some level of defensive utility...? jpom does make pommable defensive boons better, so it has defensive utility along with everything else it does.
"best defensive keepsake" to me means the keepsake which lowers how much damage you take by the largest amount, which situationally is 100% antler

[storm glen]

of all the things i maintained from my straight era irrational hatred of :3 was not what i was expecting

[bronze stream]

Hmm if Im gonna do big gamba runs with persephone and jeweled pom i should probably not accept Zeus as my attack boon

[thin laurel]

...why not? zeus likes pom levels 🤷

[storm glen]

zeus attack is good on perseph tbh

[thin laurel]

and it's olympian damage to charge up momskull if you want to Ωspec

[bronze stream]

Its just annoying for room clear i guess for things to not die immediately

[crude dragon]

Well, I'm glad to have assisted you in that sudden realization

[bronze stream]

I dont really know what boons are good for persephone ospecial

[storm glen]

any %

[bronze stream]

Maybe the bigger issue was getting hestia special

[thin laurel]

that'll stop being a problem as soon as your build gets some other boons tbh
the more rapidly you deal 120 damage, the faster blitz will clear rooms. throw in some cast damage, maybe static shock, and it'll shred

[storm glen]

yeah thats quitr bad

[fervent frost]

really wish Heph could get under 2S

[nova oar]

He can go to 1.35

[hearty fog]

Seismic Servo.

[nova oar]

Lower with chain reaction

[thin laurel]

hephaestus + poseidon duo!
and you can effectively get it lower in practice with the hestia duo too, since you get 2x as many hits in the same amount of time (with the same cooldown tho, you just double hit)

[steady oasis]

Does anyone know if there are any good builds/weapon choice for the antler? The perk seems amazing but the hit on the HP makes me hesitate to use it

[red fox]

Anything that does damage

Use trusty shield/snow queen/lover arcana/nitro/dd to buffer up enemy atk

[wintry wharf]

How do you guys get that much armor to comfortably go into Antler stuff? Just killing bosses in 7 seconds with Security System? I never see that much armor

[steady oasis]

Yeah ik I need a lot of armor fr lol

[hoary tulip]

haha I bought a pom from nemesis and it's worth twice as much if I purge it with the chronos keepsake

[thin laurel]

I prefer free hits to armor
trusty shield = at minimum 1 free hit
lovers = 3
gale = 3
DDs if you run them = 3
nitro boost = 1-4 depending on rarity
snow queen = 1

[tropic ravine]

Speaking of it, was it patched

[thin laurel]

also like. you aren't killing chronos in 7 seconds, but you often are (at low fear) dealing damage to him so fast that he interrupts his own attacks to go into a phase change animation lol

extra armor does help, but doesn't help much with vow of pain (or oneshots, which are nice to be able to tank)
dodge and daze help too

also blood spree from ares + a fast attack speed weapon means you're nearly immortal so long as you dodge attacks that deal 30+ damage lol

[red fox]

It is 30% crit chance on everything expect scorch and triad and crit is 3x damage which result in stupidly amount of damage

[hoary tulip]

oh yeah i guess it's cuz i have the addled affluence boon haha

[thin laurel]

yes, the medea bug no longer works </3

[wintry wharf]

I thought max rank was 50%? I never touched antler once

[steady oasis]

Would you say DD is better than strength for antler?

[red fox]

Well technically max rank is indeed 50% but that is rank 4 antler

[nova oar]

Arachne dress

[wintry wharf]

Oh, I mis-looked at the wiki rank colors then, welp, antler sucks if so

[red fox]

You ain't seeing rank 4 antler everytime

[nova oar]

You take that back

[thin laurel]

DDs are absolutely safer for antler than strength 🤷
but it depends what you're doing. for speedruns you'd still run strength so you do more total damage. but if you're taking antler as a general use keepsake for a high fear or a fun run then DDs let you use it safely more reliably

[red fox]

Crit multiply damage which make crit stupidly powerful

Because most damage boost is additive

[nova oar]

I'll strength for antler up to about 40f but not past that

[thin laurel]

I think you may be underrating how strong universal crit is lol
when all the other damage% bonuses in the game are additive crit goes absolutely crazy, and it's universal crit so your casts and stuff like blitz crit too

[red fox]

Like if you have 0 crit, antler is 1.6x dps

[wintry wharf]

I mean, if I wanted low HP crit shenanigans, I'd just take Mutual Destruction while still being able to go above 30 HP lol

[red fox]

Mutual destruction crit is 2x damage

[nova oar]

Provides nowhere near as much damage

[thin laurel]

mutual isn't a real crit tho
2x damage vs 3x damage lol

[wintry wharf]

.... The crits are different damages?
Til

[nova oar]

Yes

[thin laurel]

ares crits are all 2x
every other crit is 3x

ares boons never call it a crit, they just say "chance to deal double damage" iirc

[wintry wharf]

In my defense, they just say 200% damage, no? Wouldn't 100% already mean double?
% always confuse me

[nova oar]

Pretty sure it says 200% yeah

[red fox]

And you always have access to antler anytime you need

[nova oar]

100% is only double if it says smth like 'deal an extra 100%' which hades 2 never does

[red fox]

The risk is high, but the reward worth it

[thin laurel]

there's also like.... run economy to consider, kind of? you can stack mutual destruction crazy high, but that requires taking a LOT of max hp. with epic mutual destruction (so being generous but no calling card antics etc), you need 214 missing HP to get mutual destruction to have the same proc chance as antler, for less reward

[nova oar]

AMEN

I'm a certified antler addict

[thin laurel]

I do like mutual destruction also to be clear! you can get it to a crazy high proc rate with success rate and some rarification to make it heroic, and stuff like sea star and water fitness can make it very good

[wintry wharf]

ah, thanks for explaining

I can't believe for a few months now I thought ares crits would be x4 due to the % it said LOL

[thin laurel]

but then again, you can get antler to 80% universal crit rate if you build towards it, and antler value at baseline is already very good even if you don't

[nova oar]

Is 100% crit possible?

[thin laurel]

with antler alone definitely not
idk how artemis boons stack with antler...?

[red fox]

Well suc rate rank 4 antler with artemis boon

[thin laurel]

heroic success rate + cheirloom antler = 80% universal

[craggy totem]

Success Rate will never bring your crit rate to 100%, it's multiplicative

[nova oar]

Heroic pressure points, rank 4 antler, heroic success rate, mutual destruction

[thin laurel]

in theory if you did calling card start and got heroic lethal snare then that's +19% crit for attacks before success rate

[wintry wharf]

Why PP? Wouldn't you just take Vital Signs for a super high crit chance against healthy foes if you wanted the 100%??

[thin laurel]

heroic pressure points + heroic success rate + cheirloom antler would be uh. 89.6 universal crit?
+4% from raki for 93.6 universal
+4% more if you somehow get artemis on the surface then grab circe for 97.6 max universal crit rate possible I think...?
(at least with 100% uptime, vital signs is a diff story)

but if you allow for move-specific crit rate then night, than axe, mel torch, lethal snare, and killing stroke are all more reliable ways to reach 100

[thin laurel]

well, if you had 62.5 base crit lol then heroic success rate would reach 100
you just can't get base crit that high from a single source, or stacked from universal CR sources which SR actually affects

[abstract depot]

Phase 3 Chronos is unholy and i hate priming all my magic with born gain to a point where i lose 💔

[brisk dirge]

I never choose Hera's gain

[abstract depot]

I’m only on 25f using my best weapon i might be cooked

[thin laurel]

I choose it a ton of the time, I just take silver wheel region 3 or 4 if I’m in danger of priming out

[brisk dirge]

Also any good aspects for each weapon? Kinda hard using Moros and Eos on torch is maxed

[thin laurel]

it’s the smoothest gain to use and can keep up with a lot! it just does need max magick sometimes lol

[brisk dirge]

Tbh it is terrible if in a boss fight. I mostly go with Flood gain, the hestia one, Hep's gain and even Ares's gain

[abstract depot]

I had 230 Magick and Born Gain only took 16 per prime, I just managed to burn out before i killed chronos whoops

Hestia is great yeah

[brisk dirge]

Even Zeus's one replenish every few seconds

[craggy totem]

True lol

[thin laurel]

it’s not terrible in a boss fight if you have enough max magick for it 🤷

[nova oar]

Zeus is terrible

Hera gain is really good

[red fox]

Unless you are using something like etalent torch or p.array skull it don't run out often if you pick magick

[abstract depot]

I thought i’d only struggle in early 40s but holy crap i’m having issues with mid fear 😭

[rustic basin]

Also just having good damage and not whiffing your stupidly high-cost Omegas usually makes up for it

[nova oar]

What's your setup?

[thin laurel]

grisly gain (ares) can keep up with some builds but it's not going to power something like charon or shiva which burns magick really fast.
heph requires you to get hit, which can be a death sentence if you rely on it for actual regen.
flood gain and cardio gain are quite good, but flood gain has inherent unavoidable downtime and cardio gain doesn't work on some weapons at all (again I'd never take it on charon or shiva)

[abstract depot]

I’m chugging Moros Flames, I’m trying Ember > Bangle or Fan atm cause i prefer the scorch damage alot

or i’m being daft

[thin laurel]

scorch is really reliant on pyro technique to do damage fast tbh

I love scorch tho

[craggy totem]

Mm, a delicious glass of Moros Flames

[nova oar]

I meant vows and arcana

[red fox]

But does scorch love you back

[thin laurel]

and moros is at least an aspect with its own damage% bonus, so you can put splash or scorch on it and the raw weapon damage will still be good

[abstract depot]

Hold on

[craggy totem]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator might help

[thin laurel]

burning desire carried 2/5 of my 62s so far, scorch carried a third, and I think my morrigan runs with scorch feel the best so far, so. I think so? scorch has treated me quite well

nice for love to be requited for once 🥲 now brb going to go make out with the fireplace I guess

[craggy totem]

Just make sure to decorate your living space in a spruce and cozy manner

That's all great-auntie asks for ❤️‍🔥

[thin laurel]

I did just vacuum yesterday, maybe she'll bless my next morrigan run in exchange

[craggy totem]

Hell yeah

[thin laurel]

but idk, I loooove scorch. dare I say I'm more excited to see hestia at high fear than zeus these days

[craggy totem]

She puts out good damage that can keep ticking even if you need to dodge, and she has safety boons!

[thin laurel]

....zeus is good I just haven't won a single run with blitz so like. I don't need him 😤 I'll stick to scorch and hitch tyvm

[nova oar]

Wards hate to see hestia coming

[abstract depot]

I just forgot what i have on LOL

[thin laurel]

also slow cooker + even without PT it's GREAT wards clear and good origination
my best morrigan run so far was sweeping ambush + back burner + scorch attack with lots of slow cooker value and no pyro technique

but scorch was an amazing AoE wards clear + orig button

[nova oar]

Yessss

[craggy totem]

Yah PT is great for timer safety but Scorch is so nice anyway

[thin laurel]

also flash fry is great, hot pot is great, smolder ring is good on almost every weapon in the game, cardio gain is great.... love hestia

[craggy totem]

10/10 auntie

[red fox]

Hestia is like fast weapon like scorch, how about base pwr on top of it

[thin laurel]

her rush is just okay
I never get her leg and when I do it doesn't tend to contribute much
and I hate highly flammable
but that is a VERY good track record

like. zeus also has 3 boons I dislike taking lol 🤷

[brisk dirge]

Tbh I don't hate it. It does replenish my magick. If only the locations each time was nit random

[craggy totem]

I still hold to the stance that Highly Flammable is a fine boost for Scorch-lite builds, just not super useful otherwise

[brisk dirge]

Like?

[nova oar]

That's the problem I rely too much on my positioning for that

[craggy totem]

Lemme guess, Power Surge, Ionic Gain, and... Divine Vengeance? or the rush

[thin laurel]

gain, rush, power surge
gain is fine on paper but I hate how it feels so much I refuse to use it, janky af.
his rush is like...... fine on supay but extremely meh otherwise.
power surge is good if you play staff and get a specific daedalus hammer and mid af beyond that

[red fox]

Next zeus you get will be rush gain power surge

[craggy totem]

lmao got it in one(ish)

[thin laurel]

oh I lied, zeus has a 4th boon I don't care for
divine vengeance bores me, it's okay on heinous affront builds but pales in comparison to light smite

[storm glen]

divine veng is also bad

[nova oar]

You remember the run where I made it to fields with no gain on shiva and turned down zeus

[thin laurel]

hell yeah same thought same time 🤝 it sucks

[craggy totem]

I can't believe I got extra credit on the pop quiz that I assigned myself without anyone asking

[storm glen]

some zeus boons being needlessly single target is weird

[thin laurel]

tbh power surge and his rush are in the same category of like. I take them on a grand total of Exactly One build (aka supay + mirrored thrasher)

[storm glen]

like wouldnt power surge make sense if it was damage all enemies in a radius

[craggy totem]

It's a characterization thing, because he has no attention span :)

[storm glen]

he has enough attention to hold a cloud over ppls head for 3 seconds?

[thin laurel]

I think hera may have the fewest boons I actually dislike tho lol, let me think abt that.... is there even one...

[red fox]

Idk zeus bounce between different target just as fine

[nova oar]

Rousing reception:

[craggy totem]

Rousing Reception is Fine ™

[storm glen]

dying wish is bad

[abstract depot]

ok my arcana: sorceress, huntress, furies, persistence, messenger, swift runner, death, centaur, origination, enchantress, boatman, fates, champions, divinity

Vows (25f, PB: 24f): Pain 1, Grit 1, Hordes 1, Menace 2, Fangs 2, Shadow 1, Rivals 4

[craggy totem]

I was thinking more of the one that prolongs hitch, which is antisynergy with Hera sprint

[thin laurel]

rousing reception for any fear speeds without wards is great lmao

[thin laurel]

antisynergy with her sprint but also makes rivals sirens vanish in seconds with jpom
hereditary bane is kinda op

[nova oar]

Take off pain grit and hordes, put on frenzy

[craggy totem]

Yeah, it's not A Bad Boon, just situationally undesirable

[storm glen]

the cast is also terrible imo

[red fox]

Dying wish is something that idk if it working or not

[brisk dirge]

Nope. Not.to me
I don't like needing to prime when I run out and replenish next time

[nova oar]

You're not running fw?

[abstract depot]

fw?

[nova oar]

Fates whim

[craggy totem]

Have you finished the game?

[thin laurel]

I disagree lmao
very high burst damage in AoE, in single target it's still an orig button, hitch is op in general so if you aren't using her attack or special then it's great 🤷

[abstract depot]

Not currently no

[brisk dirge]

So which gain is bes

[craggy totem]

Okay, FW is a post-ending thing.

[brisk dirge]

It is so hard to use.

[nova oar]

They're running 25f with rivals 4 they have to have access to that

[abstract depot]

No i’ve beaten the game

[craggy totem]

I'm so confused

[abstract depot]

i was replying to luthien, i’ve got jewelled pom, calling card and time piece

[craggy totem]

OH lmao

[nova oar]

Use pom and time piece PLEASE

[red fox]

Idk why but i hate hera and ares cast color

[abstract depot]

I used Pom and free levels are nice, I hear its the best thing in the game but i like the potential to boon manip

[thin laurel]

depends on the weapon, since like.... if a weapon can use cardio gain then cardio gain is amazing. but some can't.
imo the best gain with no downsides and no niche is Lucid Gain from Apollo.
Hera, Poseidon, and Hestia are all good but have a downside of some kind so will be awkward for some builds.
Zeus and Demeter restore a lot of magick but are janky and slow down combat.
the others are more utility focused imo, they don't restore enough magick for weapons which need a lot but they have other non-magick effects

[nova oar]

You don't need to boon manipulate on moros

Pom is going to make it way easier, especially on vor4

[craggy totem]

Tierlist but it's "which aspects are most whimmable and can work with literally anything the RNG throws at you"

[thin laurel]

moros I'd say if Hera, Poseidon, Apollo, or Hestia is in the pool then you're fine with kinda any combo of gods otherwise. Zeus and Dem too in a pinch
for me the biggest hindrance in a jpom run is "do I have a gain boon which works for my aspect"

[red fox]

So just hel supay on bottom for me and charon above them

[nova oar]

I will be right back

[red fox]

Charon is pommable but soemtimes rng decided to fk you regardless

[abstract depot]

Moros does work with literally everything

cracked weapon

[red fox]

Like aphro heph hestia ares god pool for charon because fate said so

[thin laurel]

charon for me is another "you just need a good gain"
but with the issue being only 3 gains are that good

orig can also be awkward on charon with certain god pools since it doesn't attack

[thin laurel]

I also think high fear is generally more FW friendly than speeds 🤷 altho idk if I'm right about that.
Apollo start for Charon makes a huge difference for speeds, but for high fear idk if I care as much

so long as I see Apollo, Hera, or Poseidon gain pretty early I'm fine

[craggy totem]

Speedrunners in general don't fw FW, as it were, right?

[red fox]

Just high roll fw smh

[thin laurel]

I wanna say the WR is FW because it's scorch attack medea lol

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/obCUQjs

[rustic basin]

I mean, yeh, there’s a fair few Gains that just work with the levels from FW on Charon at higher Fear

[thin laurel]

altho I may be misremembering

[nova oar]

I do

[craggy totem]

Iconoclastic

[abstract depot]

Me when content not available 💔

[craggy totem]

Brit?

[abstract depot]

Yeah

[nova oar]

Bri*ish

[thin laurel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1426118288198602775/1449596090428166366/CPl8ztR.png?ex=693f7910&is=693e2790&hm=bd86f8bb8eca9b61022e29c83ebfa1ce1205071afab3547b1ba3113d3b9fca6e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2280&height=734

[abstract depot]

Ahhh i’ve been doxxed by lack of imgur privileges

[thin laurel]

also. Supay??? explain that one

[craggy totem]

That also made me go wait what

[brisk dirge]

Ooooh

[nova oar]

Idk i feel like you can get away with alot

Zeus/hestia/pos/hera/dem

[abstract depot]

Supay is solid i enjoy it

[nova oar]

Statistically you're gonna have one of them

[rustic basin]

Supay at 62 was really the only time I haven’t had any fun in this game other than Medea

[thin laurel]

you can get away with all of those on dash
but what are you running on special if your god pool is demeter apollo aphrodite ares

[rustic basin]

Unironically Ares

[red fox]

Run away

[abstract depot]

Is it possible Medea gets nerfed to have a cooldown between special and dash hmmm

[red fox]

Smash that undo night

[brisk dirge]

Best arcana builds. Really wanna try builds for each weapon and it's best aspect

[thin laurel]

sounds kinda miserable but ig that is the correct answer

[rustic basin]

This is assuming the Aspect itself isn’t miserable

[red fox]

Ares rush carry trust

[thin laurel]

still, I'd put Supay in the same category as Hel, where the base damage is so absurdly low that you REALLY want zeus/poseidon/hestia to carry. Supay rush is flexible, same way as Hel special is fairly flexible, but

idk, Supay as more fate's whim friendly than Mel Staff is not a take I can agree with

[grave gorge]

Demeter
Freeze everything that comes near you
Ares attack, aphro gain, apollo cast

It ain't great, but it's something

But yeah, Undo Night probably the right answer

[craggy totem]

I would say that the more likely you just want to hit Undo Night due to RNG reasons, the lower that would go in a whimmability tier list

[thin laurel]

I also think in general magickless weapons + weapons which do well with both % and on-hit are ideal for FW

and weapons which prefer % have an easier time than weapons which prefer on-hit

[craggy totem]

There just are so many more attack/special boons that are %

[storm glen]

its not high at all tho

[abstract depot]

Everytime I undo night I get the exact same seed again

[craggy totem]

Have you done the Acceptance of Another Fate incantation?

[abstract depot]

Well, specific seeds like boon pool

[brisk dirge]

Lmao. I dunno which to use. Medea is hard for.me as I am more of.a shooter, thanatos and Nergal are fighting for the spot, Moros is hard to keep switching, the blades I dunno,

[grave gorge]

Have you unlocked the ability to kneel at the altar of night yet

[brisk dirge]

? That that

[abstract depot]

I’m running f25 yes

[nova oar]

Seed reroll

[brisk dirge]

What? Seed reroll?

[craggy totem]

You can run 25F without having done the incantation

The incantation has nothing to do with what level of Fear you have done

[abstract depot]

I don’t recall it

[thin laurel]

on a jpom run in AoE? it kinda is
at level 1 epic the burst damage from engagement ring is the same as tidal ring if 3 enemies are inside the circle 🤷

[craggy totem]

It specifically allows you to reroll the seed by saluting the Vow

[nova oar]

Pretty big if

[abstract depot]

neither have i unlocked it i think and i’ve done plenty of runs so imagine i’ve missed it LOL

[storm glen]

also doesnt tidal ring also hit multiple enemies

[thin laurel]

it doesn't deal x damage to each foe
it deals "x damage per foe in the circle" to each foe

[storm glen]

ohh

[abstract depot]

Wait do you need to ||find the three fates to unlock it?||

[thin laurel]

so if you have three enemies you deal triple damage to all three, not just total

[crude dragon]

You do as of 1.0, yes

[craggy totem]

Yes, you need to complete the epilogue

[abstract depot]

Bollocks

[red fox]

Echo slam

[abstract depot]

Yeah i’ve not done that

I need to get friendly with Hecate and Moros now

Also can I just say

[thin laurel]

engagement ring is neat, the damage is ass for bossing (and even for sirens since they rarely stand close enough)
but for fish swarms in oceanus it's funny af, or any other encounter with lots of enemies
10 enemies in the circle = a quick 400 burst damage to each one, at epic without pom levels 💀 not counting orig, and then the damage gets hitch chained around too

[abstract depot]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-2-hades2-artemis-gif-8208707969370686576

Ah embed fail

[rustic basin]

Yeah, I’m just bad at Medea and Supay has so little damage even with Omegas that I could not feel good at the start of a run like, at all lol

[thin laurel]

and unlike nexus rush it isn't tied to hitch cooldown, so with winner's circle it's just the AoE deletion button

[crude dragon]

Embeds are disabled in this channel

[abstract depot]

<- best god

[thin laurel]

society if artemis showed up in ephyra more than once in an eon.... I miss her on the surface

[wintry wharf]

Wish she wasn't so nerfed compared to 1

[grave gorge]

<- actual best god

[thin laurel]

idk if she's nerfed...? she's just not a core god
but her actual boons are like. almost all op

[grave gorge]

🤝

[grave gorge]

"Close range"

[red fox]

Imagine pommable pp

[silk moth]

< best god, obviously

[rustic basin]

The game also just does not need to be easier LOL

[silk moth]

is hades 2 harder?

[abstract depot]

Aphro is an easy answer

[nova oar]

Aphro is my least favourite

[nova oar]

Yes and no

[thin laurel]

tbh I think artemis only has one total boon I just... always hate clicking
and then two which I avoid clicking except in very niche situations but are at least fun to click even when they suck

[wintry wharf]

I only really ever get hype for Snare and Shadow Pounce, or settling for PP tbh
Easy Shot sucks, Support Fire not being pommable really makes its DPS suffer, Warrant has a far bigger downtime than Hunter's Mark...
Also I just saw in Wiki that she has a Hex crit boon. Oh, I really should gift more nectars

[grave gorge]

Glamour gain so good though

Free origination

[thin laurel]

easy shot, support fire, and hunter's mark are the three I dislike lol yeah

but lethal snare, vital signs, shadow pounce, killing stroke, whispered prayer, and pressure points are all VERY good for builds which use them

[nova oar]

I'm not saying every boon is bad i'm just saying hera and apollo are better choices in almost every scenario

[rustic basin]

UW, absolutely not
Surface, probably

[silk moth]

hades 2 is okay i guess

[thin laurel]

the issue with support fire is also less that it's unpommable and more the limit on how many arrows can exist at the same time. you can get them to 50 damage with air quality (2x-5x their original base damage), but with only three able to exist at once they just kinda suck

[silk moth]

i mean in terms of difficulty,hades 2 is okay

[grave gorge]

Thankfully, you can have four (or more!) gods in a run

[silk moth]

then again hades 1 i used to go at god mode, things have changed

[wintry wharf]

Only 3??? Why would they do that

[thin laurel]

and then easy shot is uh. funny. I click it on charon if the two ideal crit boons aren't offered and otherwise ignore it

[nova oar]

And I hope none of them are ever aphro

[brisk dirge]

Supay?

I feel bad of using nightmare on medea

[wintry wharf]

So huh, ANY more hyper secret boons I should learn about? Since today I learned both Artemis and Athena have boons I've never seen in my life

[thin laurel]

medea and circe may have boons you haven't encountered yet...?

[wintry wharf]

I did Medea's quest so I have her terrible Harm

[thin laurel]

harm for the afflicted (which sucks), and then circe has a quest reward boon which is just okay and boon that buffs hex damage%

[red fox]

Some duo you never see because you never fulfill their pre req

[grave gorge]

Don't forget dionysius

...or do, actually. Forget that guy.

[silk moth]

i need to get back to hades bc im basically a boon collector

[wintry wharf]

Huh, I bonded with Circe but checking Wiki, NEVER saw Turning to a simple form

[thin laurel]

I think an important thing with h2 artemis, too:
in h1 all her crit boons with a high chance to proc were core boons, and had very low damage% bonuses since crit is so good.
in h2 you can stack any artemis boon with other core boon slots, so you can get lethal snare + hera, aphro, apollo attack etc, or hell even blitz

[silk moth]

“simple form”?

[thin laurel]

circe's boon which makes your omega moves have a chance to morph enemies (on a cooldown)

[wintry wharf]

... The 5, 55, 555 boon is his secret boon????

[crude dragon]

Every once-per-run NPC has one

[silk moth]

and then there’s her Lim and Oros… with a very promising crit chance

[wintry wharf]

What are Hades' and Narcissus then? And Echo's?

[silk moth]

no way that’s his secret boon LMAO i never bothered picking that boon

[thin laurel]

narcissus = the one which gives you elements

[crude dragon]

Hades's is Unseen Ire, Narc's is Heavenly Splendor

[brisk dirge]

She has a quest? Terrible whY?

[wintry wharf]

Wow, also never saw Splendor

[thin laurel]

echo might be gift gift gift, but also I may be misremembering, ik it got added later during EA

[crude dragon]

It's GGG

[silk moth]

Icarus is the one where he just. levels up your weapon’s level iirc

[brisk dirge]

Yep. I got it once

[wintry wharf]

Upgrades a hammer

[crude dragon]

He levels up a hammer

[thin laurel]

also, rip to aspect of artemis for being perhaps my least favorite aspect in the game but also I'm just not good at non-morrigan blades
def bottom three along with mel axe and nergal. not that those three are notably weak, just a playstyle thing for me

[brisk dirge]

I didn't know it was secret. What are secret boons? Just hard to get?"

[crude dragon]

Harm for the Afflicted has a global cooldown and can only be applied once per target

[craggy totem]

Died with Artemis for the first time tonight on that cursed no-attack-boon run

[silk moth]

just boons that has a nice flavor text on it

[craggy totem]

It's like a sort of baptism 🤔

[crude dragon]

They're boons you only can start to see as you bond further with a character

[wintry wharf]

So tldr, I should be gifting more Nectar to people huh
I never really cared about getting max relationship with every single NPC in Hades besides romances/summons
I didn't know there were gameplay benefits HERE

[thin laurel]

on top of this, the curse needs to not already be on the enemy
if you're playing scorch + glamour gain as your only curses you will absolutely not be triggering it on cooldown, more like once per enemy and a few times per bosses, since scorch needs to fully run out before adding scorch stacks will trigger harm for the afflicted

[crude dragon]

And yeah, they're indicated by having flavor text like a Legendary does for the core Olympians

[silk moth]

wait does bonding with nemesis actually update her interactions with you in your runs? like her trading you money for a boon? or hitting you for a price? or just a free shield?

[thin laurel]

even in ideal circumstances, I did a passion rush run with harm for the afflicted, 1 second weak duration on a spammable move, in theory should line up well with the cooldown
it did So Little

[wintry wharf]

What's the point of a curse that only does 50 every so often, why does this exist

"Harm for the afflicted"
More like "Inconvenience for the afflicted"

[thin laurel]

in theory 50 damage per second isn't a bad addition to a build
it just doesn't uh. work well

[crude dragon]

Pretty sure it's a DoT, the issue is that it doesn't stack and can't be reapplied

[rustic basin]

Yeah, Supay does, at base, 10/15 damage for the Spesh and Attack respectively, and, iirc, 20/25 for the Omegas. When Air Quality doubles your strongest non-Cast Omega, something has gone horribly wrong imo

[silk moth]

oh it’s PER SECOND

[brisk dirge]

Oh

[craggy totem]

I think someone earlier compared it to like, a worse Hangover

[thin laurel]

how does the DoT aspect work tho with no listed duration...?

[brisk dirge]

So it is bad

[wintry wharf]

Why would the 5 be Dio's secret, somehow even worse than Harm, bruh

[crude dragon]

Yes. That was me

[craggy totem]

Hah! There we go then

[crude dragon]

And Hangover's already pretty bad because it also can't get reapplied

[thin laurel]

"inflicting a curse deals damage" seems odd to parse with DoT, like...... what is the duration, if that's how it works

[rustic basin]

Yeh, but it is also very easy to use if you just wanna not think about it at all lower Fear level (and if you get Scorch/Blitz/Froth, it’s fine, I guess)

[red fox]

Its name is reckless abandon, if you reckless clicking it you will abandon the run

[woven crystal]

Seeing this made me so sad

[silk moth]

like. it will forcibly end your run? or just “brick your run”?

[wintry wharf]

If you have abandon with Air Quality, does it only do the 55 and 555? So then does it actually raise the chances for triple 5 since the 5 is technically eliminated, or still same odds?

[red fox]

5 go to 50

[wintry wharf]

Right, ugh

[thin laurel]

it goes from 5-55-555 to 50-55-555

same odds, but min damage is a lot better

[wintry wharf]

Would ANY weapon legit benefit from AQ Abandon?

[thin laurel]

any weapon with an attack weak enough it benefits from AQ will enjoy adding abandon to AQ 🤷 and those do exist

[wintry wharf]

Hel could work?

[thin laurel]

Hel, notably, Hel has awful base damage. Supay too

[red fox]

I click it on hel once and....its ok?

[thin laurel]

you could kinda make a case for Anubis but the Ωatk has great damage so eh

[red fox]

Occasionally 555 is huge

[thin laurel]

the thing is, AQ will do way more for Hel imo than reckless
but if you already have AQ then I'd click reckless over like. grape juice, on Hel, for sure. or hangover (the way I play it)

[grave gorge]

How does Abandon affect Blood Triad?

[thin laurel]

not at all

[grave gorge]

Good!

[thin laurel]

blood triad isn't attack damage, reckless only affects attacks

[grave gorge]

Yee

[thin laurel]

but also morrigan does high enough base damage that air quality + reckless is still a nerf, so I'd avoid it

especially on omega attack, no reason to make your omega attack deal 5 or even 50 damage

I guess the actual attack combo multihits for low enough numbers that AQ is a buff...? but if you're doing final slice idt it is 🤔 hm

[grave gorge]

Yeah, Morrigan damage is pretty solid overall. Just something I've occasionally wondered about but never wanted to test

[woven crystal]

Can't tell of I really like Medea skull or if the hammer that triggers o-attack when you pick up the skull has been carrying me

[red fox]

Both

[thin laurel]

blood triad is weird, almost nothing in the game can affect it at all

[wintry wharf]

Can it crit with either of the crits?

[red fox]

Medea broken, parray broken, broken + broken = extra broken

[thin laurel]

nope! not affected by damage% of any kind either

[brisk dirge]

But still bad so I stick with Eos

[thin laurel]

the only things which affect blood triad are

1. aspect level (and by extension heph legendary)
2. two specific daedalus hammers (and by extension latest model from Icarus if it hits them)

[woven crystal]

Legit. I definitely vibes with the "load your cast" aspects in h1

[wintry wharf]

It's a shame how LV6 morrigan loses its theming with Heph legendary and 222 hammer smh, 1221. Clearly hammer should instead make LV6 Triad do 2222 instead to keep the same numbers theming

How OP would Morrigan be with that combo? Triad more worth? Haha