h2-discussion

[empty schooner]

Very cool feature 😎

[craggy totem]

Oh, I guess that's the other difference from the first game, according to people who were a lot more tuned in to these things than I ever was -- apparently Hades 1 had a fairly narrow number of "good builds" and relied heavily on Duo boons. Hades 2 is a lot more flexible and you don't necessarily need to rely on specific Duo boons, fwiw.

[verbal rampart]

Yep, unlike Hades 1, Hades 2 has a big "find ressources" vibe

[balmy iris]

I got mentioned for something and now there’s like 100 new messages what happened to the Poseidon chat

[limber ice]

unseen would be great if, maxed out, it gave like 8-10 mana per second

[crude dragon]

Kinda. You can think of it like the Darkness investments for mirror passives from the first game

[empty schooner]

What are the hades 2 weapons anyways I loved the hades 1 weapons

[crude dragon]

It does. The issue is that it doesn't regen while channeling

[limber ice]

ah

[verbal rampart]

SPOILER : a witch's staff, ||a pair of blades, a pair of torches, an axe, a skull, and futuristic power armor||

[empty schooner]

That sounds sucky

[crude dragon]

Staff
Knives
Torches
Axe
40mm grenade launcher
Please look forward to it

[nova oar]

Descura, the witches staff, Lim and Oros, the hunting blades, ygnium, the flames, big axe, Revaal, the skull, xinth, the coat

[craggy totem]

I like how you disrespect the axe by not mentioning its name

[balmy iris]

Did you ever want to be iron man in a Greek mythology setting? Now you can

[empty schooner]

Ooh grenade launcher sounds fun

[nova oar]

I hate axe

[craggy totem]

What's your problem with the skull

[crude dragon]

Yeah, and therein lies the problem. If it was at least a persistent regen unlike what you can get from Aphrodite or Chaos, it'd have a niche

[devout cairn]

telling you doesnt mean much you are gonna have to see the weapons for yourself

[empty schooner]

Noice

[nova oar]

I forgot its name

[craggy totem]

Revaal

[crude dragon]

Revaal is her name

[craggy totem]

Reading that Book of Revaalations 🔥

[empty schooner]

And there’s different weapons aspects like in hades 1 right? That’s pretty lit too

[crude dragon]

We are indeed close

[verbal rampart]

Yes indeed

[craggy totem]

They're also way easier to unlock than they were in the first game

[balmy iris]

The aspects are actually good this time

[crude dragon]

Indeed there is, and some of the base ones are unique enough to play like a hidden aspect

[empty schooner]

Awesome that’s one of the only things I hated about hades 1

[crude dragon]

Also, unlike the first game, the Mel aspects aren't garbage

[empty schooner]

Awesome 👏

[nova oar]

Same system, hidden aspects to, and there's only 2 aspects I would consider bad/worse than other options

[empty schooner]

Very lit

[balmy iris]

Hidden aspects are a bit harder to get seeing as you need to like level up the weapons fully

[empty schooner]

That’s pretty noice ngl

[nova oar]

Mel aspect staff is the best aspect which is really funny cause it's the first weapon you use

[crude dragon]

They're also a lot more straightforward to find

[craggy totem]

You only need to max one per weapon

[verbal rampart]

Also : Nectar is much easier to obtain this time. And there's more keepsakes.

[empty schooner]

lol nice 👍 that’s funny

[nova oar]

Yeah the balance is really solid

[crude dragon]

TBF, the hidden and Circe aspects are also extremely strong

[empty schooner]

Ooh more keepsake options

[nova oar]

Staff as a whole is really good

[balmy iris]

Gotta love asterius giving you an aspect phrase right before a miniboss fight

[crude dragon]

You'll also find out really quick that a lot of keepsakes want you to swap them around, as opposed to Hades 1, where several were things you took for the entire run

[empty schooner]

lol I’m definitely looking forward to seeing what wild stuff I can do with Hephaestus hammers with those weapons

[crude dragon]

(I say several like it wasn't just Mom Pom, Butterfly, and Plume)

[empty schooner]

Very interesting 🤔 so they reward swapping unlike in hades 1

[balmy iris]

Oh they weren’t heph hammers

[nova oar]

You mean Daedalus hammers?

[devout cairn]

also if you activate DD and Strength arcanas at the same time a 1000 years curse will be cast upon you and your family

[crude dragon]

Though speaking of Hephaestus...

[empty schooner]

Yee those got em mixed up with Hephaestus lol

[empty schooner]

Ima see what happens :3

[nova oar]

Heph does have hammers just a different kind

[empty schooner]

Oh fr? He got special hammers?

[nova oar]

Look we don't want another faker situation

[crude dragon]

(Please ignore the heresy that is post-credits keepsakes and trying to turn on Queen)

[craggy totem]

Hammers of Hotness ;P

[devout cairn]

hey im trying to prevent a future faker discussion

[crude dragon]

Well, he's a boon-giver

[nova oar]

The way his boons work is enemies get hit with hammer for big damage

[devout cairn]

im preventing ainz from becoming a DD/strength villain

[empty schooner]

Peak more new boons

[empty schooner]

Very fun me like bonk builds

[nova oar]

Yes good

[craggy totem]

You'll have fun with one of the aspects

[nova oar]

As long as he doesn't halve my respect

[empty schooner]

Ooh nice

[empty schooner]

What is that 🤔

What is DD

[crude dragon]

Death Defiance

[devout cairn]

dd arcana gives you 3 death defiances, strength arcana gives you 40% Damage resistance and 20% damage bonus, DD arcana cancels strength until you lose all death defiances

[empty schooner]

I liked DD in hades 1 tho cus I liked skellys keepsake

[crude dragon]

Well, imagine having the refilling DD as a keepsake

[nova oar]

His keepsake is essentially the same in this game, but there is another one that's even better

[empty schooner]

Loll interesting 🤔

[devout cairn]

so you either run DD or Strength, both is villain s**t

[empty schooner]

Sounds dumb why would I want a thing that cancels out a different thing in my build

[devout cairn]

exactly!

[empty schooner]

That’s like running ice and fire at the same time breh

[crude dragon]

Funny you should say that

[empty schooner]

Yeah yeah I’m already aware about Apollo the sun god

[crude dragon]

Because that's actually a viable combo

[empty schooner]

How tho it don’t make sense

[crude dragon]

Assuming you get the Demeter/Hestia duo

[empty schooner]

Demeter boons in hades 1 were pretty chill metaphorically and literally

[nova oar]

Demeter hestia duo goes crazy

[crude dragon]

TLDR, there's a Duo that'll turn Freeze effect into a detonator for Hestia's fire DoT

[empty schooner]

Ooh so not Apollo but Hestia

[empty schooner]

Sounds peak so u make ice bombs basically?

[nova oar]

Essentially

[empty schooner]

I bet Apollo and hestia got good combos since their both fire related

[empty schooner]

Me like explody builds so W

[craggy totem]

I genuinely couldn't remember the Apollo Hestia duo until I looked it up. It's okay I guess, but not something I'd consider build-defining

(Well, though it does feature prominently in the trolly/jokey "AFK" build :P)

[empty schooner]

Ah nice is the drunk god guy still very strong?

[nova oar]

You're gonna love this game

[crude dragon]

You'll see

[empty schooner]

lol alr bet 😎

[devout cairn]

You'll see

[nova oar]

He's not a main Olympian but he's strong in... other ways

[empty schooner]

lol nice 👍

[verbal rampart]

Play the game and you'll see haha. If you want to avoid spoilers I suggest you to go to #h2-for-new-players

[empty schooner]

lol I’m the kinda person who watches new games gameplay videos on YouTube so I don’t really mind spoilers 😎

Lets me participate in more conversations even if I never played before

[lost ravine]

embedded fail idk how to spoil images in links

[empty schooner]

🤷‍♂️

[craggy totem]

Just say that it's a spoiler. If it can't embed, then nobody will get spoiled anyway.

[thin laurel]

putting <> on either side of a link stops the link from showing a preview, so that may work? and just say it’s a spoiler so ppl know not to click it if they want to avoid it
but also idt previews of links/embeds get shown in this channel anyway, only in #h2-builds-and-combat

[craggy totem]

This channel doesn't show link previews, correct.

[lost ravine]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843160069444468757/1448052206262550569/20D5DC1.JPG?ex=6939db35&is=693889b5&hm=b7a7cc2b46e31031ecc540d928708d1d0e523c2b59057d5af93672348d0d24fc&||

[craggy totem]

Ah, one of those new mods?

[lost ravine]

yeah lol

you're supposed to be switched to zag for this cutscene but you can still glowing coal which looks very funny

[nova oar]

'Zagreus how wonderful to see you i thought you were de-'

'F I R E B A L L'

[wintry wharf]

Someone in Twitch said that Athena can show naturally area 2-4 after a certain point??? Is that true at all? Never saw that happen

[buoyant matrix]

wrong

only natural athena spawn is in olympus

[wintry wharf]

thanks

So what are exactly Typhon's HP gates for Eggs and Zeus phase? Like what %?

[nova oar]

His last egg phase is 38% iirc

[wintry wharf]

Cool!

[nova oar]

Trying to find out the rest but crossroads has nothing

[hardy depot]

What is "crossroads", another discord server?

[median plinth]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Typhon/Combat has

65,000 (Phases 1-4)

12,500 (Phase 1)
15,000 (Phase 2)
12,500 (Phase 3)
25,000 (Phase 4)
10,000 (Rivals Phase)

[craggy totem]

It's a website where some folks who are very interested in high Fear runs have submitted various statistics about their runs and also made certain useful tools available: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/

[nova oar]

What escalier said

[nova oar]

Oh perfect thank you

[fading gale]

I have a class on greek mythology so playing both hades games does technically count as studying

[nova oar]

Yes

[jolly hound]

ask the professor what their speedrun time is if it’s over ten minutes they’re a poser

[nova oar]

They need to have a top 50 run on the leaderboards

[fading gale]

Hes 71 but sure

He might be gaming you never know

[jolly hound]

deadass, ask him if he’s seen the game

and the writers did their homework for hades, like they retconned the cousin porking but like, actually read the entire Iliad and odyssey lol your game knowledge will help

[stark vine]

Just wanted to note we have these stickers now available for Hades II!

[minor eagle]

Ngl the upgrades to the tools that give you a chance to get an element feel very inconsequential most of the time but then i got a water element that activated the hera boon that turns every common boon rare in erebus and i was like wow okay

[hardy depot]

For every update I make to the wiki, I find 5 more things that need updating

[minor eagle]

Chronos must be so mad that i just camped him with charon axe but if it works

[devout cairn]

[wintry wharf]

Is Demeter the worst Godsent? I barely feel she makes any notable difference or stuff

[red fox]

Kinda, phase shift already feel good without investment

But if your fear high enough Poseidon godsent might be worst

[wintry wharf]

Does Scars make it regen nothing?

[red fox]

Regen no hp

[wintry wharf]

Bruh

[nova oar]

It's like a worse blood spree

[wintry wharf]

I'm curious, besides Wide Medea, what's the other absolute worst aspect-hammer combos?

[broken glen]

Hell splitter thanatos isn’t unusable, but it’s bad

[storm glen]

hell splitter thanatos is the best version of hell splitter & its honestly pretty decent

[nova oar]

Hel splitter mel axe

[broken glen]

True

[storm glen]

wide mel

[wintry wharf]

What makes it in particular so bad? I'm curious

[broken glen]

Slow

[storm glen]

hell splitter without the thanatos attack speed is too slow

[wintry wharf]

I see

[red fox]

Just need 3 business day to land a hit

[tender oracle]

can confirm, hell splitter on an aspect other than thanatos is HELL (splitter)

it's more fine on charon cuz it's cast and special centric, but on mel? awful experience.

[red fox]

On charon: there is a attack button?

[tender oracle]

true

[nova oar]

I love wide mel

[broken glen]

It doesn’t get the power buff from the aspect

[nova oar]

62f charon oattack build

[nova oar]

Don't care

[minor eagle]

Vow4 chronos vs the unmatched power of my bottle of water (18 moon waters)

[nova oar]

😭

[minor eagle]

He hits me with his scythe, rending me in two. My bones shatter

I take a sip from my water. All is well

[broken glen]

“Time cannot be stopped” when I pour my liter-jug of water onto the computer: (the game has been stopped)

[minor eagle]

True!

[abstract depot]

Unlocks ||Supay||
Uses for 2 runs but beaten by Rivals Hecate
”Ok this is crap but i’ll give it one more shot”
Win a run on f22
”maybe these are pretty good”

[minor eagle]

Supay is great but it takes awhile to get off the ground

The early parts of the run are the hardest for it

[abstract depot]

Should you not spoiler it in case of new players?

[minor eagle]

There's an entire channel for that, unless it a 1.0 spoiler (i have literally no clue if it is)

Googling it, i dont think it is

[graceful dune]

Nah it isn’t a 1.0 spoiler, it’s unseen

[minor eagle]

Thought so

Still glad for the confirmation

[crude dragon]

Inverted Blaze Supay

Why yes, I'd love to make the attacks go backwards while sprinting

On the aspect where you're almost always sprinting

[nova oar]

What really grinds my gears is when players drop hidden aspects after 1 run cause they don't realise it's meant to be a really different aspect

[crude dragon]

Oh, they changed the name of Icarus's hammer upgrade from Full Service to Latest Model

That's way less confusing

[bronze stream]

It was supposed to be a reference to Mel and Icarus' relationship

[devout cairn]

i like Big Mel's voice

[thin laurel]

many such cases yeah

[crude dragon]

This implies that Mel bottoms

[scenic gust]

sooo does Jetty even have a voice at all? I thought she only plays e.guitar. And the main vocal is all Scylla

[thin laurel]

there are backup vocals, they’re quieter and often in harmony

it’s rather obvious in the chorus of rock and a hard place I’d say? you can hear all three parts pretty clearly

even if you can’t make out all three harmonies normally, scylla going “tentacles” and then roxxy and jetty echoing “tentacles” in 2 part harmony should b pretty clear

[scenic gust]

hmm the harmonize part isn't that much to call differences unlike Moonlight guide us or Time belong to us

[crude dragon]

I'm pretty sure she's the one that Ashley Barrett voices

[thin laurel]

that’s roxy! Mel’s VA is jetty iirc
(checked the youtube description and yes, can confirm)

[tender oracle]

yup. roxy too
i think they only sing coral crown/i am gonna claw when they're the featured artist? but you can definitely hear them in bewitching eyes and especially rock and a hard place

[wintry wharf]

Anyone else wishes that companion summons had stayed in 2? Always a fun time, and lots of fun reactions

And like, they got cut, what would be their equivalent now then in 2? Call boons were cut but at least were fit into Hexes and Godsents

I wanna call Eris for her to shoot down people but friendly fire is on and she can hit you if you decide to be on her line of fire

[thin laurel]

the equivalent is probably familiars, give or take...? there are a similar number total
their role is different, but tbh there's a lot of overlap between summons and calls anyway
I do miss them tho

its rly not 1:1, but. closest thing I can think of that h2 has and h1 doesn't, that fills the void left by summons

[wintry wharf]

Yeah, Familiars don't really feel the way Companions did tbh, more passive stuff of course, buuuut, Summons were really more fun and rewarding

[thin laurel]

I'd say def more fun!
familiars are probably more rewarding though, they have a much bigger impact on your run overall and have distinct use cases (instead of multiple summons just being different ways to deal extra damage that doesn't interact with your boons)

I miss summons from an aesthetic + fun perspective, but idt they filled a super important niche in terms of gameplay tbqh

[wintry wharf]

Well, could always have changed up summons a bit to make them more varied. Eris could be Dusa-like, summoned for a decently long time to burst down an enemy, and you if you're in the way. Moros... Make it Final Fantasy-esque hah, he Dooms enemies in the area and when timer is down and they're still in the zone, they just die., or receive large damage if a Guardian. I could see some fun stuff haha

[raw kraken]

There’s switch/steam cross play right?

[red fox]

I don't even think there is a steam to steam cross play

[raw kraken]

There was for h1 so I’m just assuming

[odd dune]

Hey what's the best aspect for staff?

[crude dragon]

Not Momus

[odd dune]

Ok then which

[crude dragon]

Any of the three that are not Momus

Something other than Momus

[odd dune]

Momus sounds pretty good on paper tho, mind explaining why momus is bad?

[craggy totem]

It's not so much that it's bad as it is that it's not as good as the other three staves

[crude dragon]

Because the other 3 aspects are 3 of the top 4 weapons in the game while it's only "good"

[odd dune]

I see, thanks to both of you for explaining, I'll go with melinoe ig

Also when do I get the incantation that let's me upgrade my pets?

[craggy totem]

Its gimmick is completely tied to omega moves, which are inherently a bit more investment (whether in terms of channel time or magick usage), without any non-omega benefits/differences, and it was nerfed during the development process so that the repeated omega moves had a slower fire rate. So it's not quite as immediately powerful as the others. But it's not, like, bad.

[crude dragon]

You need to get all 5 pets unlocked first

[odd dune]

Ohhhh ok got it

[crude dragon]

And in order to get the permission to recruit Hecuba and Gale, you need to use the first 3's gathering ability and take them to Hecate

[odd dune]

Uhh wdym by gathering ability?

[crude dragon]

Like using Frinos to skip the shade minigame or Toula to fish

[odd dune]

Ohhh understood, got it

[hardy depot]

Is that off the top of your head or did you get that info from somewhere? That will get them what they want, but it's more than required.

[crude dragon]

Went off of what I'd seen here from people who hadn't yet gotten Hecate's permission

[junior quartz]

You only need 4/5. I unlocked it when I didn’t have Raki (I just got him today). Also I think to get Gale and Hecuba you only need to use one of the previous familiars gather ability. I have never taken Toula out.

[odd dune]

Gotcha

Also, does "weak" afflicted by Aphrodite counts as a status effect for origination?

[craggy totem]

Every thing that a god "afflicts" your enemies with is a curse

[nova oar]

Except hades and selene

[red fox]

But origination only work with Olympian god curse

[wintry wharf]

Shine's not a curse? Wat?

[glossy shadow]

Selene isn't under the house of Zeus 😌

[buoyant matrix]

apparently it doesn't work with hangover or marked too

[wintry wharf]

That's really dumb

[buoyant matrix]

marked i understand but why didn't they include hangover 😠

[craggy totem]

Really? I thought someone said it was included in the code 🤔 I'm getting conflicting info...

[wintry wharf]

Hangover worked with Priv Status, right? What in the world changed between games

[hearty fog]

He's not a "main" Olympian?

[wintry wharf]

Not like Hangover is any good in this game anyway tbh I guess

[hearty fog]

It starts at always-max-stacks Epic from H1 and only gets stronger from there, but it is one-time.

Hangover at least benefits from Origination if it's otherwise active, right?

[buoyant matrix]

it is though, 400 flat damage at common is good for clearing encounters

[wintry wharf]

Drunken Stupor is a never pick for me, the heck I am supposed to do with that

Even Worry Free I can find more useful

[hearty fog]

It's not Tipsy Shot but it's also not Bounce Back.

[wintry wharf]

Since when Bounce Back is bad?

[hearty fog]

I've gotten more into Worry Free, I just go a little heavy on healing and it tends to even out.

Tipsy Shot is the bad end of that scale, I think BB is his best boon.

[wintry wharf]

Aah

[stuck lagoon]

encountered typhon for the first time

what does it mean if zeus appears during the fight

[hearty fog]

He's got just over half his HP left.

[south latch]

Hello, hope this is the right channel for this. I don’t understand why can’t I get the ||Improbable Outcomes|| achievement to pop up. I completed both ||Chaos Below 0 (twice, not consecutively)|| and ||Chaos Above 0 (once)||. The attempts went like this: ||Below 0 (success), Above 0 (fail), Above 0 (success), Below 0 (success)||

[buoyant matrix]

you have to win the same trial twice in a row without losing

[south latch]

Aha, so I need to do another ||Chaos 0 below||. Thanks. Would doing an ambrosia scene between the runs ruin the thing?

[craggy totem]

No, it does not have to be the same trial. It's just any two of the random ones in a row.

I can attest to this because I have never bothered redoing any of the random trials after I won them.

[south latch]

Then I should have gotten it

[craggy totem]

Also no, because you said you lost one in between.

[hardy depot]

Just to be sure, you have the prophecy for it on the Fated List?

[south latch]

Won, lost, won, won

[craggy totem]

You can't do any normal runs in between either, btw.

[south latch]

Er… no

[craggy totem]

Oh.

[south latch]

I wasn’t aware I needed a prophecy for this

[craggy totem]

The achievement description is

Fulfill the Prophecy 'Improbable Outcomes'

[hardy depot]

Have you gifted Chaos 6 times?

[south latch]

Yeah, just checked the wiki. Sigh

[craggy totem]

The wikis may be out of date from EA, fair warning.

[south latch]

Sorry for wasting y’alls time

I donated 5 times

Do I need to do it all over again after I get the prophecy, or do I win retroactively? Sure hope it’s the second, bc getting antlered on the surface without DDs is not fun.

[hardy depot]

They usually track before the prophecy is visible

[hardy depot]

I just got done updating the fated list fandom wiki page, the req's on there should be good

[south latch]

Thanks

[stuck lagoon]

how do ares boons work

kinda like his hades 1

[tender oracle]

wounds is like doom but it damages when it's applied rather than when it expires
still has the time limit before you can reapply it tho

[red fox]

The dmg that apply wound will have +50 pwr when applying wound, and that will only work when target has no wound

Wound last for 3s

[south latch]

It worked!

[crude dragon]

Not really

[tender oracle]

what if merciful end but for wounds

[crude dragon]

It's also worth noting that Wounds in and of itself is extremely mediocre, and pretty much only exists to chauffeur you into the Tier 2 Boons and Duos that require it like Grievous Blow

[craggy totem]

It's not the worst on, like, normalcoat special in an attack/dashstsrike-centric build. It's not what I would actively want, but I have come to be only moderately annoyed by it turning up instead of my prefs lol

(Mediocre is a fair enough judgment, this ain't a contradicty statement)

[rustic basin]

Medea might be by far my worst Aspect lmao

First try at 62 is not yielding promising results at all

[craggy totem]

Would you say that your experience with it has been worse than Medeocre?

[crude dragon]

As for his other cores, the dash and cast are pretty middling without getting the Duos that buff sword drops, and his regen sucks unless you also get Profuse Bleeding

[rustic basin]

Pun aside, yes, I genuinely am not having fun with this thing LOL

[crude dragon]

How are you using it?

[rustic basin]

As intended, but terribly. It feels like eating glass

Can I just do like, an OAttack build or something and just ignore the Aspect

[crude dragon]

No, because an OAttack build would just be strictly worse than Mel or mom skulls

[hearty fog]

So I've got an absolutely picture perfect Smolder Ring Circe run going and I just dropped Unrivaled Prometheus and the big man at the same moment from Scorch DoT and I think that is the coolest thing I've done so far in 1220 runs.

[craggy totem]

Romantic

[rustic basin]

I'm aware it's worse, I'm willing to overlook that if it makes this completion bearable

[craggy totem]

I mean, why not give it a go and report back on the experience For Science?

[rustic basin]

Aye, might as well

Actually, better idea, Void II/III and take Wards off so waveclear isn't awful

It's genius, frankly. Surely no problems will arise

[crude dragon]

What Vows are you running?

[rustic basin]

Everything else

Died to Cerb cuz the entire map was a hitbox lol

Didn't get Sorceress, Eternity, or Death by that point from Judgement so it was kinda struggling anyway

I'm not kidding, I might actually do this for the clear. I don't like playing it as intended at all in most encounters lmao

[crude dragon]

Oh, you're doing a 62

[rustic basin]

Yeh

Could technically be a 63 but I want some specific Arcana for this start

[hearty fog]

Saluting the Oath is homeopathic levels of effectiveness. I think I'm at 5 resets where Hephaestus has offered Volcanic Strike/Flourish, Smithy Rush, and Tough Gain in differing rarities.

Also why does this "door" still exist? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345939970669412394/1448203263827644589/Hades_II_206.png?ex=693a67e4&is=69391664&hm=4b1cce01f42f497bdf9c853a84157abe4cc100f1b7b26a41f3c219f5a1736229&

[buoyant matrix]

cut content maybe

[hearty fog]

I think I remember that side room during EA but leaving the interactable feels bad, especially on Timer 3.

[merry whale]

that should be a secret room that lets u backdoor to the underworld

[hearty fog]

Right after leaving it? It's in Ephyra.

[merry whale]

ye

[pulsar umbra]

I just missclicked escape on nemesis romance option

Insta force quited the game, run didn't save so it's all good

I hope it didn't save somehow that I did that

Oh the run is the same regarding RNG rewards I see

[nova oar]

You should get the option again

[pulsar umbra]

It would be sad if I didn't on 100hrs savefile that i want to be 100%

But the seed of the run is the same so she should appear again

[nova oar]

It will still count for '100%'

[pulsar umbra]

I know but i meant that I want it to be "perfect"

Like for me choice wise

[nova oar]

Right

[buoyant matrix]

run seed is randomly generated as you play so you may not get it again this run lol

[nova oar]

It's only the first few rooms that tend to be the same

[pulsar umbra]

Yea i see that now as i progressed

But the nem thing shouldn't save I think

Why did they put the option on escape i wanted to pause the game XD

She appeared

Me happy

[nova oar]

Some people don't like the romance

[hallow vault]

I love how Mel is canocial so hot she outsirened sirens.

😭

[light bear]

Might be me but Ceberus genuinely is harder for me than Chronos cause he keeps moving off the screen 💔

[nova oar]

Normal cerberus?

[light bear]

Yeah. Normal cerberus vs normal Chronos. Chronos I can read his attack well cause the map is small Ive constantly have my eye on his animation. Cerberus the map is much bigger so I struggle more I think

[nova oar]

Is he hitting you from off screen with moves or

[red fox]

Stay on its back always work

[nova oar]

Pretty much

[light bear]

Yes mainly splitting my attention with the red zones & him doing the triple dash move from the edge of the screen

[light bear]

Ic, will try to backstab him for my next runs 👍

[nova oar]

If you stay close behind him, it'll make it less likely to do the triple dash, red zones you can iframe or dash out if

https://imgur.com/1IXvj84

[light bear]

Yes the triple dash is the very dangerous move for me. I will try to stay behind him 🤔

[nova oar]

If you watch the clip you'll see that I keep dashing behind and around him

[light bear]

Oh its funny i never notice how small his "back" is it looks like hes a plant growing from the ground haha

[nova oar]

Lmaooo yep

[thin laurel]

very dorito shaped dog tbh

[nova oar]

😭 😭 😭

[rustic basin]

I can’t really tell cuz I stopped going for it specifically. Felt fine, I guess, but having to turn off Sorceress makes it pretty rough to get going

[nova oar]

||is the rivals fight nacho cheese flavour||

[rustic basin]

Also genuinely unquantifiable how little fun I’m having with this Aspect. It’s strong but I’m just not good with it like, at all

[nova oar]

Have you speedran medea?

[rustic basin]

Haven’t done any speedruns in the game. Don’t particularly like doing it in general

[thin laurel]

||yes but also like. a spicy version. has to be a spicy flavor. flamin hot cerberitos||

[nova oar]

Ah ok so it's not tryna play it like speeds

[nova oar]

I would destroy a bag of cerberitos

[rustic basin]

Well, there is that too since Timer exists, but it’s no more pressing than any other Aspect lol

[thin laurel]

yeah, idk how I'd feel abt medea at high fear
for speeds it's fun for sure, but it stresses me out for high fear, I take so much damage...

[nova oar]

My problem with medea is I can't play it any other way and eat every attack

[rustic basin]

Largely the problem. I think Wards off and Void II on is genuinely a fine plan for the attempts

[nova oar]

Metal mindset

[stuck lagoon]

I KILLED TYPHON

I JUST KILLED TYPHON

[rustic basin]

I'm actually gonna give up for the night lmao

This is the least fun I've had playing the game and I thought that'd be reserved for Supay's 62F

[pulsar umbra]

I mean that they put in escape and not any other key

Casue escape is also pause

[pulsar umbra]

[nova oar]

Fun fact, you can crit while morphed

[verbal rampart]

First time or like, "for good"?

[verbal rampart]

Interesting. I already got the achievement about being morphed but I'll try again

[minor eagle]

Going dark with unseen ire while morphed is funny too

[nocturne ocean]

How does ||Gorgon Amulet|| work exactly? Do I need to have 0 DD, run out of DD, or missing at least 1 DD? Does that mean it won't work at all if I have any DD?

[red fox]

0 dd, so free trigger when running strength only

[thin laurel]

either way works but it is 0 DD specifically
having 0 DD because you ran out, or because you had no DD to begin with—both fine

note that Toula's DD and similar effects do count, tho. you need to have NO DDs, not just some missing

[nocturne ocean]

Thanks

[old depot]

Wow hermes is actually the worst

I had all rare boons except for one common hephestus attack so I took narcissus's bathwater keepsake to rarify it, but I completely forgot the useless "dash more" hermes boon and it rarified it instead >.<

[nova oar]

Nuh uh

[thin laurel]

rarifying that boon is a pretty bad feeling 💀
but hermes in general has a lot of great stuff
getting heroic success rate from him goes crazy

[old depot]

oh yea hes great for sure when he doesnt steal the bathwater from hephestus

[nova oar]

idk why people take it, its in my bottom 5

[old depot]

because people get hit and want to heal up more and also rarifying a boon is good

[thin laurel]

take what, phial? or that hermes boon

[nova oar]

phial

[thin laurel]

cause if you mean stutter step then yeah agreed 100%
but phial is fun as hell wym it's in your bottom 5 when actively useless keepsakes exist

[nova oar]

better keepsakes for both

I hate it

[thin laurel]

I don't take it for healing ever, but if you can guarantee it has nothing but good hits for rarity then making an important boon heroic is extremely fun and also good
if you aren't doing fate's whim it's a RLY solid region 2 keepsake, ngl I don't understand this take of yours

[nova oar]

I can't be bothered explaining this one, I have my reasons

[thin laurel]

fair enough
I just rarely disagree with you to this extent lol, bottom 5 is crazy to me

[nova oar]

ok so its in my bottom 5 of keepsakes i would still take

[red fox]

List your bottom 5 then

[nova oar]

uhhh i need a list

wheres the tier list gone

[red fox]

Ngl some keepsake might just straight up forgotten by me

[thin laurel]

I'd put between 7-9 keepsakes below it personally...? there are a lot of really good keepsakes in the game
so idt it's a top keepsake or anything, it has a narrow use case (and I don't think it's a good idea to gamble with it, you take it when you can guarantee a good hit), but when it's good it's quite good

also it's afaik the only way to actually guarantee a specific boon you already have gets rarified, except for bridal glow as your second boon or steady growth antics where everything else is already heroic

[neon barn]

I feel discordant bell is bad, and content creators think its bad too but I need to still try it to see HOW bad it is

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/WUmW34I

Hate me if you want i'm too tired to care

[neon barn]

Is......echo stone that bad? 😅

[thin laurel]

forgot fleece

[nova oar]

oh i did oops

[thin laurel]

not that it matters lmao, ik your opinion on that

[nova oar]

I need like more than 5 lmao its hard to decide

[red fox]

I forgot echo keepsake exist

[thin laurel]

almost always yeah
it's one of the only keepsakes which has the potential to actually ruin your build lol

[red fox]

Yea those actual bottom 5 is same as mine

[neon barn]

kinda true actually about the build runining potential

[thin laurel]

you don't get to choose when it activates (or if it does at all since it's not guaranteed), and when it does activate it picks a boon at random. so best case scenario you get a second duo boon or something, yay.
but worst case scenario it picks a ransom boon, a sacrifice, or something like reckless abandon
and on average it's going to pick something kinda mid, tbh, or something you dont need i.e. blitz special and you already have blitz attack

[neon barn]

Like iv also had bad RNG with it, but I still believe in it.........a bit?

[thin laurel]

I'd also agree with this more or less I guess...? I don't like silken sash so it would also be included for me
but tbh I'd put phial in a very similar category to silver wheel, where the majority of the time it's irrelevant but when it is good it's very good 🤷

region 2 is also just kind of weird, since a lot of the obviously top tier keepsakes are going to be region 1 or region 4 generally.
so like... fig and timepiece are obvious
calling card is worse r2 but can be good
but then like... if you're not fate's whimming and not speedrunning, it's phial, moon beam, or a second god keepsake I guess

[red fox]

Can understand hammer, i like hammer but the amount time it do anything for me is kinda rare ig

[thin laurel]

maybe silken sash but idk, I feel like silken sash r2 is similarly niche, and you can brick it by taking too much damage lol

oh also hammer region 2 in underworld if you skip tart side chambers specifically I guess

[thin laurel]

personally I love hammer lmao, idt it's a top keepsake but it's fun as hell, I love the gamble and sometimes it hits possessed array, shimmering rockets, or dual moonshot and makes my build go nuclear

[red fox]

Yea gambling go brr

[neon barn]

Like Silken sash is for protection but you have to protect it as well 😅 , its WEIRD

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/f85bVtB

[thin laurel]

also if your weapon has no bad hits then it's like. at worst neutral
so very solid for region 3 if you have nothing better to do (i.e. health is good, aren't worried abt timer/dying to a boss, boons are locked in so calling card won't do much, already did chrolex etc)

[neon barn]

hammer is probably really good if you are night cycling right? because on a night cycle build like eos most hammers have a net positive benefit

[neon barn]

you dont use omega moves at all do you

[thin laurel]

oh yeah, in general it's similar to chaos (and by extension embryo) where weapons which use both omega and non omega moves have the highest chances of benefitting

[red fox]

On eos there is like not much hammer send my run to the moon

Less gambling feeling

[thin laurel]

eos doesn't have a hammer which makes it go crazy, but it has a LOT of good hammers which are like. pretty great, imo

[neon barn]

but tbh fleece probably isnt good unless ur omega is dealing super high dmg like shiva

[thin laurel]

even then it's kinda bad tbh
shiva gets a ton of innate damage% so fleece is just a drop in the bucket

[red fox]

Which make the hammer boring

Go big or go home

[thin laurel]

the issue with fleece is that almost every weapon which would prefer fleece over lion fang would do better with droplet for channel speed 🤷

[thin laurel]

true, but also sometimes region 3 there's nothing else to go big with lol

[neon barn]

I didnt think of this, tbh

I saw fleece, saw that it buffs omegas and just put it on and didnt think more LOL

[nova oar]

My main aspect is shiva

[neon barn]

oops my mistake

[thin laurel]

just not a hex enjoyer

and silver wheel is weird to rate, idk, it either does nothing or saves the run lol

[neon barn]

Eh its a born gain manager or whatever u want to call it

[red fox]

At least there is a time to pick it

Which is good enough for me

[thin laurel]

yup! p much
it's the anti born gain + hubris keepsake lol
if you're doing a build where you will prime out constantly next region (or already did versus a boss) it's like. the single best keepsake you can choose lowkey
but any other time it's kinda useless

[nova oar]

Ion think i've ever taken it post 1.0

[thin laurel]

tbh it fills a similar role to gorgon amulet on Death runs in that way, only you're more likely to lose all DDs at high fear than to prime out lol. but it exists to solve a problem which I've experienced 🤷

also fate's whim just leaves you way less room for keepsake variety, it's lowkey just region 3 which fluctuates most of the time

also ngl I just dislike fig leaf 😔
I take it for speeds and otherwise avoid it, ily dionysus but I hate how it works and don't like how it affects runs even when it's good

[nova oar]

Region 3 is typically onion/droplet/gorgon/card even

[nova oar]

My most picked keepsake

[thin laurel]

ik you like it a lot more than I do lol, I just don't enjoy it for no good reason. I think it's very strong, just not something I like

[neon barn]

I run str and death on fates whim runs to keep whim active, and to get the duo card active as well which is probs a strategy most people wouldnt use

[nova oar]

😒

[neon barn]

okay so I DID get a duo in ephyrea multiple times doing this strat

[nova oar]

Day 982 of telling people queen is bad and not worth

[thin laurel]

also I agree w this but sometimes none of those are like. worth anything. they all have a specific niche
no boons in the pool you care abt rarifying, high HP, DDs not empty, and you don't channel? it's either "take pin/fang early" or something, or just do a flex keepsake like hammer if it has no bad hits

[neon barn]

and plus in act3 surface athena can restrore DD, and in UD echo can

[nova oar]

I get duos in ephyra most runs it has nothing to do with queen

[neon barn]

tbh tho, having a duo in act1 surface can be really strong and adds consistency to JPOM

[nova oar]

Yeah theres no dedicated region 3 keepsake

[thin laurel]

I'd say queen itself isn't bad, it's just that queen is absolutely not worth 4 grasp lol
if you can get queen without sacrificing anything it's a nice passive bonus
but you can get a LOT more total value out of 4 grasp than queen, and by taking strength and death you are basically using 4 grasp on nothing but keeping it active

[nova oar]

And you don't need queen to do that

[neon barn]

my logic is that str helps me get to DD refills in act3 more safely

[thin laurel]

it's again just....... it's a lot of grasp to spend for that.
a lot of 1, 2, and 3 cost cards are REALLY good. ngl part of what I like about queenless fate's whim builds is that you get to stack a bunch of them at once

like, for instance: Eos likes literally every single 2 cost card a lot. there are a lot of Eos builds where all 4 of them are fantastic

[neon barn]

ill try something else later today probably.....lets see tho

[neon barn]

yea night is perma stuck on me

[thin laurel]

but adding huntress and furies is very good 👀
cause Eos also does a lot of raw special damage (huntress), and is very good at triggering olympian damage (which only furies and orig will buff)

[neon barn]

tbh tho i think i suck with eos even though its fun to play

hmm, ill try all 4 2 costers then

[thin laurel]

idk, I was rly reluctant to turn off queen at first, but now that I'm used to it I rly can't go back, so many cards are fun to mess around with and I'm used to them not being viable in reroll builds lol

[neon barn]

ohhh

i think the % based cards like excellnce and queen are like really hard to quantify, people either swear by them or hate them

[buoyant matrix]

i let go of queen before jpom was a thing

1.0 keepsakes were the last nail in the coffin

[thin laurel]

this was my Eos loadout for 62 fear lol: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMzIiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzkiLCJjMTAiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==
without debt and forfeit active I wouldn't recommend Unseen, tho, I'd grab..... probably boatman? maybe excellence for surface. unseen is just a big help for very high fear Eos (and in that specific niche is imo roughly the same value as Boatman, which it usually isn't for other fear levels + aspects)

[nova oar]

they're not worth the grasp, end of

[neon barn]

I....did try a strategy where I got shocking loss in ephyrea in act1 super early but lost the run anyway

[thin laurel]

excellence is kinda fun if you like. happen to have 5 spare grasp lying around and nothing good to use it on. I guess
but that happens so rarely. boatman is good, I think new players underrate boatman since it sounds so simple

but I'd take 2 extra common boons over more rarity most of the time
(and then ofc with debt boatman is like. a life saver in erebus)

[neon barn]

oh no its not that I underrate boatman.......I know its super good.......its just that I want to try other strategies out too

[thin laurel]

it also wins the award for most confusingly worded arcana card 😒

[buoyant matrix]

boatman is even more of a lifesaver with debt

[thin laurel]

like. "rare and legendary boons are 50% more likely" but it's additive for one and multiplicative for the other... what do you mean why is it like that

[nova oar]

😭

[thin laurel]

yeah that's what I was saying! it's good value without debt, actively a run saver with debt 2 imo

[neon barn]

what........

[buoyant matrix]

oh wait yeah that's what you said

[thin laurel]

rare boons: 10% likely => 60% likely, +50%
legendary boons: 10% likely => 15% likely, +50% of the base chance
🤦

and it's even worse for hermes legendary where the base chance of it appearing is 1%, and excellence takes it to a whopping 1.5%

[woeful latch]

||What are the two chthonic chid between Schelemeus and Selene? Icarus and ??||

[neon barn]

Also is it just me or is fire away notoriously hard to get

[thin laurel]

I mean. considering that's hestia's old legendary and is no longer in the game, I'd say it's one of the hardest legendary boons to get since it's literally impossible 💀

but also fire away, her current leg, is also really annoying to get, since you can only get it with hestia cast. annoyingly.

[buoyant matrix]

isn't fire away completely free with one of the trials

[thin laurel]

just icarus...?

[neon barn]

Oh I have it already but trying to actively get it in a run seems hard

also as a question , which legendary if gotten early can make the run so much easier?

[woeful latch]

Zeus, 1/4 of the enemies you just dont have to fight basically

[thin laurel]

||top shelf = selene, icarus, skelly, od, charon||
||bottom shelf = eris, artemis, dora, nem, hecate, moros||

[woeful latch]

oh theres one more on the bottom shelf then top

[thin laurel]

I'd say poseion if your build wants it. tons of AoE for room clear, extremely good boss damage, if your weapon wants splash as its main damage source then king tide early is nuts

[red fox]

Heph leg when playing nergal

[thin laurel]

apollo is similarly like... only some builds care abt it at all, but those that do will really, really like it

[gusty maple]

Is there a list of what Hermes' proba boon works on

[cursive nacelle]

aphro legendary is also good if you have easy way to apply charm

[neon barn]

yea its in the codex in-game if u want to check it during a run

[thin laurel]

those are just the boons which are a prereq for it, it works on more things total 👀

like, it boosts the innate crit chance from aspect of thanatos, and mel torches, and iirc the Night arcana card even

[red fox]

Idk what it doesn't work on other than raki

[neon barn]

what, DAMN

[thin laurel]

raki, boon rarity chance effects (I believe, so queen and excellence), daze, dodge
everything else works

even some things you wouldn't expect to work do, like the chance of suffering on sight and reckless abandon doing high/max damage

[red fox]

Fig chance or echo keepsake chance...?

[thin laurel]

...I don't think it affects the chances of aspect of persephone giving out various pom level bonuses either? but idk for sure, it might

[thin laurel]

yup, works on them lol, it brings echo to 100% I've seen during some runs

[gusty maple]

So you're telling me that you can take that one Diony boon that makes your damage 5 / 55 / 555 and have like 50% of chances to do 555 on every hit ? Lol

[neon barn]

or just take air quality to make that 5 a 50

[thin laurel]

ah, success rate is multiplicative, not additive
i.e. the artemis boon pressure points does not go from 3% universal crit to 63% universal crit with max rarity success rate
it goes to 3% + 60% of 3%, so 4.8

[gusty maple]

Alright that makes more sense, ty

[thin laurel]

so, at most, with heroic success rate and heroic reckless abandon, you go from an 11% chance at 555 to 17.6%

[neon barn]

success rate is godly for ares tho

[thin laurel]

also the fabled white antler + success rate + cherished heirloom

[red fox]

Reckless abandon hel is something

[thin laurel]

80% universal crit rate 🔥 absolutely crazy

[gusty maple]

Sounds like one of the best boon to me considering all the things it affects (the Hermes one)

[thin laurel]

if my build has good % based effects in it it's generally the ideal hermes boon, yeah
some builds don't rly have anything it benefits, tho

OH also: it can work really well with % chance boons which have pom levels 👀 i.e. double strike and sea star

[red fox]

A lot of time it show up and idek wtf it is affecting

But i pick it anyway because it is fun

[thin laurel]

easy 100% sea star chance is fun lol
and double strike king's ransom can also prob get high enough at base for +60% to be 100%

[gusty maple]

I don't know the english name actually but I just love to get double rewards from Poseidon so I take them both when I get the occasion

[thin laurel]

yesss that's sea star in english! very fun boon, also very funny tbh

[nova oar]

Have y'all seen the game of the year awards cinematic, it's so good

[tranquil wren]

for hades 2?

[verbal rampart]

?

[nova oar]

https://youtu.be/7RpWks5qh_4?si=47_jD4HLdAymrWI2

They used one of my all time favourite songs

[dim gorge]

damn i remember when i used to like sleep token

[nova oar]

Not a fan of the new album?

[dim gorge]

or the one before

and the older music really soured on me a lot

even before that i liked some songs but overall nahhh

[nova oar]

Fair enough

If you don't like TMBTE then there's not much hope for the rest of the music

[dim gorge]

sundowning and two are still good but i barely come back to them

[nova oar]

Some of their weakest work tbh but still some bangers

[brave gate]

I started a new save the other day. Prior to that, the last time I played was before the final surface boss was even added.

I got to ||Chronos|| on my 5th or maybe 6th run lol

I don’t know about all the balances changes since I last played but the game seems easier. More specifically, enemies either have less health or you do way more damage now

[nova oar]

Are you playing surface or uw

[brave gate]

Brand new save so underworld

(Also, I see that Cerberus is still really easy to beat as long as you have a modicum of ranged damage lol)

[nova oar]

No major changes that I really remember

[cobalt flint]

Since warsong there’s been quite a lot of balance changes, but none that I’d say trend specifically toward easier or harder

[nova oar]

I mean weapons got buffed but there were no big uw boss changes for warsong and 1.0 right

[sharp osprey]

damn, i can't believe mel finally became honest n praised the sirens

[nova oar]

Their music sucks

[brave gate]

Maybe I was just in the zone and dodging really well

After Oceanus, I got Eris’s “Blessing” but stilll manage to clear the Mourning Fields and Tartarus.

Granted, in Tartarus, I didn’t take any extra rooms.

[sharp osprey]

blasphemy

[brave gate]

Any recommendations for keepsakes to go for early on? I’ve played with mostly all of them in early access.

I think I’ve already unlocked the ones from Odysseus, Nemesis, Dora, Skelly, and Arachne.

Oh and Charon’s

I’m probably wrong, but, opposed to Hades 1, I feel like there aren’t that many keepsakes that are good for just clearing the first area super quickly and then swapping out of

[nova oar]

(Antler), moros, schelemeus, and all the Olympian ones

[brave gate]

Yeah I need to do the prophecy to get moros to stay

[nova oar]

Then prioritise skelly, Artemis, and the olympians

[brave gate]

Yeah I’ve got Skelly’s

[nova oar]

Probably the best early game one

[rough horizon]

Artemis? Oh, of course it's the Antler fan recommending it (do not prioritize antler)

[nova oar]

:3

It's the best defensive keepsake

[dense lintel]

the best defense is offense

[bronze stream]

Ok I think I figured out Selene coat

Its just for bullying prometheus for revenge for any times he's killed you

ospecial spam and the ares godsent both are perfect against him

[nova oar]

Other coats are better

[bronze stream]

yeah yeah more damage is better but its funny watching him zip around and try to control space or whatever and still get hit by everything

Selene might be good if it wasnt attached to the worst god in the game

[nova oar]

Ares is not the worst, it's just a bad aspect

[bronze stream]

which god is the worst

[nova oar]

In my opinion? Aphro

But none of them are the 'worst', they all have strengths and weaknesses

[bronze stream]

I can see it, but I like his sprint too much

one of them has to be the worst, thats what 'worst' means

[nova oar]

Except for zeus his only weakness is power surge

[nova oar]

Not how the gods work, each of them have a situation in which they're the best

[bronze stream]

is there an achievement for doing anything above 32 fear?

[nova oar]

Yes, but you need to do 62 to unlock it

[bronze stream]

huh, surprising

[hallow vault]

I ask myself why Chronos punishes Hades the Hardest

He is the chillest god

[bronze stream]

the entire first game is specifically about hades not being chill

[prime rampart]

Ares is the worst for me. Doom just doesn’t feel the same and the falling blades feel useless

I like Aphro’s cast

[bronze stream]

oh you said aphro not apollo wtf

[prime rampart]

Oh i like his cast too, it’s one of my favs

[nova oar]

😒

[bronze stream]

just roll her off of doors after you get the best melee boon sheesh

[lost ravine]

i find ares the least consistently useful but it's not like he doesn't have good stuff

Some of that good stuff takes too much investment to get online though, blood drops aren't amazing when you pick it up

[nova oar]

Ares my beloved

Plasma sucks I will agree with you on that one

[prime rampart]

Yeah the plasma…

[bronze stream]

only thing i know ares is good for is that funny revenge boon build

[nova oar]

Love the rest of his kit but it's so buns without the legendary

[hallow vault]

He may be a deadbeat dad there but Bro betters himself

[old depot]

so I basically ragequit a run and found out I can just redo it all if I do that, huh

[prime rampart]

I was gonna say I miss the god aids but I the hex’s were sort of supposed to be that instead.
Did anyone else expect ||zagreus to have them like theseus did and then maybe get cool dialog from the gods later about them meeting him again. Aprhodite would be thrilled||

[bronze stream]

Chronos is only not completely evil so the story wont be too basic

[hallow vault]

Dio in Hades 2 is still funny

"Yoo zag u Transitioned? Niice"

[bronze stream]

Normally he's actually the guy that Hollywood tries to turn Hades into

[hallow vault]

He is bitter

And went mad

[bronze stream]

Zeus tore him up in the first place because he was evil and crazy

Even by Zeus' standards which is saying a lot

[hallow vault]

Tbf he was also a bad father

And his father was also bad to him and His Mother backstabbed him so yeah the bad Family stuff runs very very deep in the Family

[bronze stream]

Oh I guess this game also combines Chronos and Cronus that kinda confuses things lol

[tranquil wren]

people have been combining chronos and kronos since they created those characters

since ye olde greek times
doesn't really matter

[bronze stream]

Uranus was an original greek god name but i feel like ive never heard anything about him

[tranquil wren]

his role was to get chopped up

[minor eagle]

Given that ||Aids exist in h1, i think it would be cool if he used them after his death defiance if you fought him in the fields/olympus||

[minor eagle]

Yes but no, the first room will be the same but with how seeds and rng values work with this game (i do not know how, but i know enough) unless you do the exact same actions the entire run the following rooms will be diffrent

[old depot]

Its so wierd that Mels cast in this game where enemies move quickly around the map is a stationary circle by default

And no, the fact that it immobilises enemies doesnt change anything because bosses arent affected

[grave gorge]

It actually makes perfect sense, it's a tool to limit enemy movement

[old depot]

that doesnt limit movement of the enemies most likely to kill you

[grave gorge]

but can still deal damage and apply origination to most bosses pretty reliably

[prime rampart]

Yeah when they talk about how he’s petty that his kids took over and didn’t appreciate them, I keep wanting to yell “AND YOU ALSO ATE THEM?!” Lol

[prime rampart]

It’s great on cerberus (for half the fight) and typhon 😂

Oh and Roxy

[old depot]

Yea meanwhile the attack button is great on everyone, so is the special

[prime rampart]

I honestly prefer this cast, especially when you have a god boon attached to it so you don’t have to use mana and set it off when enemies are chasing you

[prime rampart]

Eh depends. Sometimes i use cast to keep more distance

[sharp osprey]

wtf can they nerf hephaestus' duo boon threat

it has

way too much range for how little time u get to react to it
stuns u
will continue to whack u for dozens of hp

like, u can literally make that a weapon aspect on its own

we have the circular cast
we hitstun

then we look at aphrodite

one homing missile.

[stuck lagoon]

first time

also uhh afte my 4th kill of chronos skelly has this thing wrapped in cloth

fairly curious as to what it is

[verbal rampart]

What thing?

[stuck lagoon]

can't send a ss but it's like a big thing and something about eternal glory???

it's like 1 big thing

[devout cairn]

doesnt he explain to you the mechanic, its been a while i forgot

[stuck lagoon]

it's on the crossroads

like when you choose where to go weapons then to the north is skelly then to the east is the thing I can peek

[broken creek]

Yeah its a reward for clearing fear runs

8/6 -> 16/12 -> 32/24 iirc for underworld and surface respectively

[split shuttle]

yo plum stop helping and go grind 67f

[old depot]

how does poison remove armour? I mea i know like in the gameplay sense armour is meant to go first but still wierd

[broken creek]

My thumb is still iffy :C

[split shuttle]

oh right i forgor

[devout cairn]

it's corrosive or something idk

[broken creek]

I tried playing yesterday and it cracked the scab and started bleeding a bit 🥀

[split shuttle]

eh that's a small price to pay for 67f

you boutta become andrew neiman lmao

[tranquil wren]

that makes the most sense
even medea's armour deletion curse is called corrosion on sight

and she likes her poisons!

[old depot]

the hades urns from his boon keep making me want to dodge away from them out of habit whenever they explode lol

[tranquil wren]

lmao same

[split shuttle]

the perks of not playing h1 that much

[devout cairn]

hades urns amaze and annoy me at how long they stay untouched despite all of the bs happening on the screen

[abstract depot]

Has every aspect cleared 67f?

[median plinth]

are any of the channels read by a sgg developer if we want to leave feedback?

[devout cairn]

no like 3

[abstract depot]

Anyone done it with Nergal?

[devout cairn]

no

i think it's medea, mel's staff and shiva

[grave gorge]

Anubis
Underworld
35 fear
jpom run
all you have so far is Zeus attack
Epic Hasty Retreat or epic Nimble Limbs?

[abstract depot]

Shocked to hear staff has 1 of those

[craggy totem]

Why?

[devout cairn]

im shocked that you are shocked

[craggy totem]

Staves in general are considered fairly strong across the board, and out of them, Mel staff is arguably one of the most flexible/least demanding wrt builds.

[glass steeple]

Hiiiiiiii

[devout cairn]

[neon barn]

Medea, mel staff, mel coat (supposedly but no video proof), shiva , mel daggers

[devout cairn]

didnt know someone cleared it with blades that's cool

[prime rampart]

Simple, always choose him lol

[crude dragon]

Gonna take a wild guess it was room 1 Trick Knives

[devout cairn]

no trick knives surprisingly

reaper knives and wicked onslaught

[crude jewel]

Did hades’ sigil come first or his beard?

[hearty fog]

I think it's a mustache.

[odd dune]

MAN I ALMOST HAD THE BOON COMBO I WAS LOOKING FOR

[crude jewel]

Yea probably acc, though zag does call it a beard

[hearty fog]

And I'm gonna guess the sigil came first. Either his facial hair grows like that or it's sculpted.

Maybe becoming god of the dead and taking his place as king of the underworld influences it to grow like that.

[odd dune]

Sorry for the caps, I had Poseidon's double reward boon got it upgraded to 73% and then I got my hands on hermes' increased probability boon (30%)

Theoretically that would give me 103% chance of double rewards

[craggy totem]

No, Success Rate isn't a +%, it's just a %

[hearty fog]

Success Rate is multiplicative to the chance of your original boon.

[craggy totem]

It would be pretty busted if it was +%

[hearty fog]

So that would be 73 + (73 x 0.3) = 95%.

Technically 94.9.

[rotund hearth]

Does huntress factor in magick primed?

[craggy totem]

No

[rotund hearth]

So I still have to use from the mana I have left to get the bonus?

[craggy totem]

Yes

[potent current]

its his mustache

[buoyant matrix]

hades does not have any beard

[hallow vault]

SUPERGIANT RELEASE A OLYMPUS AFLAME MUSIC VIDEO AND MY LIFE IS YOUUUUUURS

[craggy totem]

TBF in Chinese it's the same word either way. (Though TIL the mainlanders write it with a mildly insulting-sounding character for no reason)

[hallow vault]

Olympus aflame is so good they used it for the Olympus Update Trailer and the 1.0 Trailer

[buoyant matrix]

what

[potent current]

interesting

[hallow vault]

Pls Game Awards Orchestra build in Olympus aflame 🙏🙏🙏

[craggy totem]

They write 胡 (stupid) instead of 鬍 (beard/moustache) for simplicity

[hallow vault]

The part when the choir comes in is 10/10 ngl

I Hope this Game gets atleast one Award lmao

Best soundtrack is too stacked with 2 other Goated Composers they have a decent Shot at art direction and are clear Favorite in best Action

I hope they Livestream the Concert cause if yes i will absolutely tune in

[devout cairn]

i like the part where the trumpets go doot doot

[maiden mirage]

What was it that unlocks the random vows thing again? I remember doing that in early access at some point, but don't remember how I got there. Was it finishing all the rivals fights?

Or was it after I reveal all 3 statues?

[craggy totem]

It's definitely not all three statues or all rivals fights

[cunning laurel]

i think its something like unlocking all aspects + keepsakes and winning multiple times both ways with fear

aspects might have to be level 5 too, not sure

[maiden mirage]

Ok, so just keep progressing and I'll eventually do it. Not really something I can rush to.

[buoyant matrix]

get every aspect and keepsake and pet and vow, advance relationship with chaos and do a bunch of trials

[maiden mirage]

I'm still missing one keepsake. I know who to get it from, but he keeps beating me when I accept the fight. He does so much damage.

[craggy totem]

Are you taking it on sight every time it's offered? It might be safer to wait until it's offered in a later region, after you have more of a build together

[hardy depot]

You talking about saluting the oath to randomize the seed?

[shrewd silo]

How much health does Typhon have?

[maiden mirage]

I don't remember exactly how it worked. It gave you a random set of vows, might have had other stuff randomized as well, I just remember getting some obnoxiously difficult combinations of vows out of it

[hardy depot]

Sounds like Greater Chaos Above/Below trials, randomizes everything for a full run with 20 randomly allocated fear

[cunning laurel]

old grudge does 13k so it should be 65k

[maiden mirage]

Yep, Greater Chaos, that's what it was called.

[hardy depot]

||Need to clear surface and underworld with at least 10 fear each, plus 10 clears of both surface and underworld, and having all aspects, keepsakes, familiars, arcana cards, and grasp unlocked||

[maiden mirage]

Thank you

[potent current]

give me some ideas for my dnd Hades campaign

[crude dragon]

65K before Grit

[hardy depot]

Your players are crewmates on a ship captained by the esteemed Commander Schelemeus, your adventures are thinly veiled ripoffs of Odysseus' adventures

[potent current]

hmm im thinking something like a Heist. Stealing from underworld and trying to escape

[dim gorge]

idk freeing hades before the ending and escaping as melinoe

[potent current]

i dont like my players using pre existed characters

[dim gorge]

idk anything about dnd ngl i dont even know what it is im just sayin sh

[potent current]

lol np

[dim gorge]

uhhh idk something about the fates maybe

finding them to learn the truth about something

[potent current]

hmm fates can open them a path through underworld to escape unseen

why tho

[dim gorge]

wym

[potent current]

why fates open a path for my players

[dim gorge]

they dont need to open a path unless its like a requirement for dnd to have a way back or something

[potent current]

but i mean there is no escape right

[dim gorge]

i mean if you found a way to get there without the fates help u can find a way out

[potent current]

getting there is easy, you just gotta die

[dim gorge]

huh

[potent current]

wdym huh

[dim gorge]

dying doesnt get you to the fates

[potent current]

gets you to the underworld which they are trying to steal and escape from

[dim gorge]

oh yeah i forgot the stealing part

uhh idk you can do a reverse sisyphus and break INTO the underworld

maybe there are two underworld paths like in hades 1 and 2 so the entering and escape are different

[potent current]

Zagreus is patrolling them too risky

[dim gorge]

idfk maybe he's stupid

or u use some shadow or veil techniques to go past

[potent current]

my heterochromic prince is not dumb

[quartz temple]

Is hades 2 on ps5 I really want it but have no access to it

[devout cairn]

hey heracles did that

[dim gorge]

how is he heterochromic if he's gay

[quartz temple]

I hope it is cuz I really wanna play it

[potent current]

heterochromic means he has two eye colors

[devout cairn]

nah that's homophobic

[dim gorge]

yeah but its hetero and he not straight

[quartz temple]

Is hades 2 on ps5

[devout cairn]

no

[quartz temple]

NOOOOOO 🥀

[dim gorge]

no and prolly wont be for a year or something

[potent current]

listen to your biology classes guys

[potent current]

hehe

[dim gorge]

i havent had biology classes in like 3 years minimum

[potent current]

why

[hearty fog]

Zagreus is neither heterosexual nor homosexual. He is bi or pan.

[potent current]

he is a god

[dim gorge]

electrical engineering school dont need it

[craggy totem]

He's pan and he's got trick knives

[hearty fog]

No, Mel has Trick Knives.

[dim gorge]

who tf is pan

[potent current]

same here, we take biology too

[hearty fog]

Pansexual, gender identity is unimportant.

[dim gorge]

i thought that was what bi meant

[hearty fog]

Bi is more closely following the gender binary.

[potent current]

pansexual is when you are attracted to objects irc

[craggy totem]

Some people don't make the distinction when describing themselves, and that is fine

[hearty fog]

When you love cast iron.

[potent current]

i love humans

[dim gorge]

im confused so bisexual ppl dont fw nonbinary ppl

[hearty fog]

Less than pansexual people, theoretically.

[devout cairn]

damn

[potent current]

[dim gorge]

yo who constructing these theories

[devout cairn]

the big gay

[potent current]

you really gotta take Biology bro

[hearty fog]

Exactly, the Gay Agenda. ™

[dim gorge]

why

[potent current]

Theseus

[brisk dirge]

Just reached the credits....was not expecting a ||chronos 3rd phase||

[nova oar]

It's the easy version of the rivals fight

[minor eagle]

Oh hey are we talking about sexuality?

Everybody in hades is pansexual, issue solved.

[hearty fog]

Nah, Than is totally gay.

[minor eagle]

||Is the poly scene with than, meg and zag not counterevidence||

[hearty fog]

Oh, wait, forgot about that.

[minor eagle]

On the other hand i will admit to asterius being gay

[hearty fog]

Also, it'd be ||Megaera, not Melinoe.||

[minor eagle]

CRAP. Absolute blunder of a typo, thx

[hearty fog]

Asterius and Theseus are top contenders that are not explicitly confirmed.

But Achilles and Patroclus have them beat.

[minor eagle]

How did i forget about them

[hearty fog]

Achilles is a Forgotten Hero.

[minor eagle]

True :(

The ||Fates|| are asexual and aromantic, charon is just asexual

Specified for charon because i think charon and hermes is a really funny combo that does also make sense

[hearty fog]

Charon, thinking: "I don't want to bone Zagreus, but he seems to bond best through combat. Hm, he's also a little punk. I bet if I left out some gold as bait..."

[minor eagle]

TRUE

This implies he is not into women at all because he doesnt do the same for melinoe

[hearty fog]

Asexual and homoromantic? I've seen it done well in fiction before.

[minor eagle]

Which i can respect

[craggy totem]

Though TBF, if he has been working with them the whole time, he probably also knows that Melinoe Would Never

[minor eagle]

Genuinley no clue the word homoromantic existed until now, but yeah

[hearty fog]

And then he sees her grab the Infernal Contract without reading it.

[minor eagle]

Yea

[hearty fog]

"...She's just like her brother. "

[minor eagle]

She read a bit of it, then consciously decided to not bother finishing. Peak characterisation imo

[hearty fog]

I can't lie, I actually dislike that bit.

[minor eagle]

Tbh fair. I just think its really funny

[hearty fog]

She's absolutely the type to thoroughly read the fine print. Now if the fine print were to mislead her, that'd be perfect.

[craggy totem]

It is a bit silly for someone as conscientious as Melinoe, but I can sort of fantheorize it as like her only reading as far as "oh I have to do something for someone? sure, omw asap"

[minor eagle]

Melinoe is so kind to everybody but like half the cast want her dead in a ditch half the time

[craggy totem]

I can see her as the sort of person where if one of her acquaintances or allies walks up to her and goes "Hey can you do me a favo--", she just goes "Okay"

[minor eagle]

Based

[craggy totem]

She's too 乖 and it hurts my heart 😔

[hearty fog]

Okay, I don't know that character.

I only ever studied Japanese and all the kanji is gone.

[craggy totem]

Guai like, a well-behaved kid who always listens to their elders and does what they are supposed to do
(IDK if Japanese uses it)

[brisk dirge]

Lmao really?. Also the reason why we can still fight is ||fractured time?||

(Also how to get more Poppy?)

[buoyant matrix]

take hecuba to tartarus

[brisk dirge]

(I can't see him. Also didn't you guys say Gale was at olympus shop? I could not find him or her)

[shrewd silo]

Chronos 6 out of 6 💪

[craggy totem]

Have you "hired" Hecuba yet?

[brisk dirge]

No.

I can't find him literally. Been looking at shops

[craggy totem]

Neither of them is in a shop.

[hearty fog]

Gale is in the Olympus pre-boss shop, Hecuba is in Echo's room.

[craggy totem]

🤔 could have sworn Gale was earlier than that, my bad.

[nova oar]

Nah gale is in final olympus shop

[stuck lagoon]

Hey folks so I got my 5th kill on chronos and according to the story zag ||informed that they can use the gigaros and that chronos is under the house rebuilding|| should I go to more surface runs and kil typhon?

[nova oar]

Doesn't matter, you still need more uw wins and 5 sf wins

[stuck lagoon]

So 4 more runs in sf then?q

[craggy totem]

Have you actually gotten your hands on it yet? If not, you'll need to meet up again anyway. Then after that the game will let you know what to do.

[scenic gust]

||need more runs, a lot of runs||

i got on Chronos on the 7th night, but have to farm a lot just to reach the end

[buoyant matrix]

has hecate given you permission to bond with hecuba and gale

[lusty bramble]

How does aphro look like in Hades 2

[nova oar]

Google it

[brave gate]

Does losing shield proc boons that say “Whenever you take damage…”?

[lusty bramble]

k

[crude dragon]

Please look forward to it

[lusty bramble]

Um ok

[nova oar]

Yes

[wintry path]

hi y'all, is there a channel I should post in about typos/grammar issues?

[brave gate]

Oh that’s cool

[nova oar]

Here is fine

[minor eagle]

exactly how you would expect

[wintry path]

gotcha, it's relatively minor, but Mel has a voice line to the effect of "Now I feel nauseous." maybe its nitpicky but nauseous means to cause nausea not to feel it. It is probably more accurate for her to say "Now I feel nauseated."

[devout cairn]

cant it mean both

[nova oar]

I have never heard a single person say 'now I feel nauseated' in my life

[devout cairn]

ye same

[nova oar]

It's way more jarring

[wintry path]

oh sure enough. I'm pretty confident that is just because of general misuse and Mel seems the type to not misuse words

but it is valid i guess. language being an evolving construct and all

[hearty fog]

That is valid, but how do you feel about using words developing a colloquial usage specifically opposite their original definitions?

[lusty bramble]

Its just that i wish they would have changed her style

[devout cairn]

it literally sucks

[wintry path]

hate it. hate it. hate it.

but general use determines it, not me, so oh well

[minor eagle]

I think it works well, especially since most other characters have complicated designs. I like how simple aphrodite is

[hearty fog]

"Nonplussed" does not mean "unphased." It means "completely bewildered," but because Americans are uneducated it now has two diametrically-opposed definitions.

[minor eagle]

Extraordinary

[devout cairn]

that's silly

[wintry path]

TIHI

[crude dragon]

It's changed enough from the first game since she's now dressed to kill instead of dressed to kill

[hearty fog]

Aphrodite's design remains a throwback to how common nudity was in Ancient Greece and the early development plans for H1 where everyone was going to be nude.

[minor eagle]

The. The what

Okay i will admit the game would be alot worse if that was the case

[nova oar]

It would've been so much funnier

[minor eagle]

Imagine heart rending scenes and zag is just. Entirely naked.

[nova oar]

How much would he be packing?

[minor eagle]

It would have been, but funny does not mean good

[hearty fog]

If I remember correctly they went "Okay, we cannot pull this off well without cranking the rating up higher than we want."

[nova oar]

I'm personally all for it sounds absolutely gas

[minor eagle]

Probably a fair bit

[hearty fog]

Enough to keep Megaera, First of the Furies, hooked.

[minor eagle]

And death

[devout cairn]

the first naked-like

[minor eagle]

He's Naked and (probably not) afraid

[hearty fog]

Are we familiar with the trope "Full Frontal Assault"?

[minor eagle]

I am not, should i be?

[hearty fog]

Basically when a naked character goes on an offensive.

[devout cairn]

[minor eagle]

Oh.

[hearty fog]

By the end of H1 Zag already had a reputation as being a force of nature. Imagine if he'd been swanging the entire time.

[minor eagle]

LMAO i dont want to imagine that actually

[nova oar]

[foggy sable]

what is going on

[minor eagle]

Discussing how originally every hades 1 character was gonna be naked

[nova oar]

We're talking about naked men

[minor eagle]

But they changed it because that would lead to higher age ratings

I think it would work even less for hades 2, except for maybe selene for reasons i wont explain

Hades 2 does actually have more nudity though, given the spa scenes

[nova oar]

Gay

[minor eagle]

Very! Why thank you

[devout cairn]

the universe where hades 2 has everyone naked is the same universe where im allowed to swear in this chat, damn I want that now...

[tranquil wren]

lol

[minor eagle]

I do think its funny that swearing isnt allowed here despite the games language

I know its probably bcus of games that are not infact hades related, but still

[hearty fog]

We can say everything they say in the game.

[minor eagle]

Oh, interesting

[crude dragon]

You can say some of the minor swears

[minor eagle]

Pog

[tranquil wren]

blood and darkness, boy

[minor eagle]

Blood and darkness, indeed

[nova oar]

Ass

[broken glen]

Nemesis does say ass so it’s allowed

[rustic basin]

Finally have a build I'm feeling comfortable with for Medea. Can't wait to somehow botch it vs. Cerb or Chronos lol

Nvm I got Death from beating Scylla. We can't lose this

[brave gate]

I love how the PS5 controller lights up to match the color of the god you’re receiving a boon from

Some of them overlap such as Hermes and Hephaestus but it’s still cool

[nova oar]

Took me second to realise you meant ps5 controller on pc and not a secret ps5 version of the game

[limpid oar]

can you say bl*st uncensored, though?

[crude dragon]

Well, you kind of have to since it's 3 of Hephaestus's core boons

[brave gate]

Bruh I started a new run and my rewards so far have been Hammer -> nectar -> Hermes -> Selene

Just give me a real boon 😭

[limpid oar]

imagine getting hammer room 1 and not screaming in joy

[nova oar]

I despise hammer room one

[brave gate]

Well I was happy for the hammer but none of the options were damage and then I proceeded to keep not getting damage

Idk if I’m imagining things but Selene seems less common than she was in early access

[nova oar]

Unless it's exhaust riser or psychic whirlwind or trick knives or hidden helix or possessed array or dual moonshot

[limpid oar]

I mean if it's 3 ass hammers then at least you know to reset the run right there and then

[brave gate]

I got the one that makes attacks on the knives faster

[nova oar]

If I don't highroll a duo third room I reset

[limpid oar]

duo third room? what are you talking about, room 1 boons aren't real they just get onioned 🧅

[nova oar]

Don't I know it

[limpid oar]

when's part 2 of Luthien 62f

[nova oar]

Uhhh sometime maybe after I finish sub 7 40f sub 10 all aspects

[limpid oar]

🥺

[nova oar]

And then gonna do 50f all weapons, and start running either surface 62 or all weapons 62

It's my absolute last resort atp

[rustic basin]

Okay, hitless Chronos LOL

[quartz temple]

WAIT YOU CAN LINK YOUR CONTROLLER TO YOUR COMPUTER?!??!?!? God I feel way too stupid 🥹

Ugh I need to play hades 2 but idk if I should wait for it to come out on ps5…I kinda don’t have a choice 😭

[nova oar]

Yes 😭

[quartz temple]

I don’t play on my computer in my defense 🥹

[broken glen]

You can plug it into a USB port, like a keyboard or mouse

[quartz temple]

Woah!!!! That’s so cool!!!! I wish my computer could operate Hades bro

[rustic basin]

Just one Aspect per Weapon left and then I'll have done everything at 62 for the Underworld :]

[limpid oar]

how old IS your computer? I believe h2 is optimised enough to run on integrated graphics

[nova oar]

[quartz temple]

It’s a windows 11 but…my mom had the UI changed to chrome so it’s a weird hybrid now and isn’t compatible with anything cuz of its…unique software

[nova oar]

😭

[devout cairn]

[storm glen]

windows 11 might be the worst thing ever

[devout cairn]

several people are typing

[buoyant matrix]

that is the first time that combination of word has been used, ever

[quartz temple]

Oopsies…🥹

[storm glen]

hop on browser emulatuion

[broken glen]

Hades 2 is really weird for mac users (thank goodness I escaped mac prison) because it only works with a certain type of chip, which only some macs have. I bought hades 2 originally without knowing this, and then finally bought a PC because of it

[devout cairn]

the UI changed to chrome

[quartz temple]

It’s not even compatible with that bro

I’ve tried 🥹 its literally not compatible with ANYTHING

[limpid oar]

how does that thing even turn on

[quartz temple]

It can run chrome and discord and YouTube and that’s literally it 😭

It won’t even let me download files bro 🥹

[devout cairn]

well idk wth your mom did but if you eventually format it you probably can run Hades 2

[quartz temple]

My friends call my computer a monstrosity…

Yeah I asked her for a new computer so hopefully I can get hades 2 soon

[limpid oar]

I agree with your friends