h2-discussion

[nova oar]

It's anyone's guess atp, i'll have to see if foolish or hippo know anything, @scarlet stone I can do some digging if you'd like

Yeah same, will try to remember to test it after work

[long silo]

I asked the speedcord, I'm being ignored currently

[nova oar]

It's not too active in there

[long silo]

I need to stop caring about speed runs

[scarlet stone]

the first few times it happened, i just assumed i dodged incorrectly. my challenge was very unique. using demeter only for boons and not getting hit or taking damage. so im far more likely to encounter it vs someone speedrunning, using medea, and taking high % gods.

either way, it was an issue that i wanted to bring to SG's attention, because it is very clearly unintentional.

[long silo]

I was just told the Prometheus clip is a janky visual bug on his kick projectile but not a bug bug

[nova oar]

That makes more sense

My current theory is it has to do with whatever happens to projectiles when an enemy dies is messed up

[long silo]

Didn't even know that dude was not only kicking me but kicking me with a spear or something too

[nova oar]

Didn't have phase shift so it's not another bug from that

[long silo]

Yeah I didn't know prom kick is legit a projectile

[nova oar]

The wave he kicks out or just his normal kick

[scarlet stone]

you can dig if you want. i have sent the video to the modmail here. I can ask if they can include you in conversations as well. Fwiw, the only other things I wanted to mention were QoL things like the Arcana Cards in runs to mirror the Arcana Cards in Crossroads, Being able to view entire codex when selecting hexes, other gods, etc. but those didn't affect gameplay. hades 2 truely has a lot of QoL.

[long silo]

I mean idk, I don't study the enemies moves as much as I should, I feel like my eyes are not good enough to keep laser focused on any one thing in the game, I use like spotlight vision

[nova oar]

Drumsha asked and mini has no idea so it's anyone's guess atp

[long silo]

They're curious about it! Nice find king

[scarlet stone]

thank you

[oblique hemlock]

hey guys, when talking to the sage in the taverna, if it says just the name of the weapon (“umbral flames”) rather than the aspect, does that mean the aspect of melinoë was used?

[long silo]

Think so yep

[minor eagle]

I would assume so yeah

[long silo]

I won't go in there, I don't like seeing my stats

[oblique hemlock]

okay thank you, that brings me to another question

[nova oar]

I do nothing by make my stats look good atp, I even made a spreadsheet 😭

[long silo]

That place is miasmic to me

[minor eagle]

Whasup

[oblique hemlock]

wait nevermind i figured it out in the process of typing it lmao

[minor eagle]

Lmao

[oblique hemlock]

ty tho haha

[nova oar]

I want to know what the question is now 😭

[minor eagle]

Same

Curiosity killed the me

[oblique hemlock]

i was wondering how to track which aspects i’ve cleared with for the Bearing Dark Gifts prophecy but then i realized that each “aspect of melinoë” starts a new weapon

[minor eagle]

Ye

[oblique hemlock]

like it doesn’t say “melinoë- axe” or anything, it will just say melinoë and then the axe aspects afterwards. which i just realized

[nova oar]

Happens a suprising amount

[minor eagle]

I only need persephone and medea for that prophecy

[nova oar]

They should do fear statues but for each aspect

[minor eagle]

That would be alot of statues

Anything for more buff melinoe statues though

[nova oar]

AMEN

[nova oar]

I want a statue hall for my accomplishments

[long silo]

Is this the wrong time to bring up live service games again...

[nova oar]

Yes

[long silo]

TRULY JUST KIDDING!!!!! I'm seriously just kidding

[thin laurel]

not rly on topic (and I’m out running errands so may vanish mid convo), but I feel like the more high fear I play the more total boons I end up thinking are viable
a lot of my previous least favorite boons have contributed a ton to runs, especially with jpom, so the list of things I think aren’t worth using gets smaller every day lowkey

[long silo]

Yeah, I want my brain to see this. It doesn't right now and I don't know how to learn to see the game this way.

[thin laurel]

at 32 fear I think most things are incredibly good tbh, heph blasts have hard carried a lot of runs for me at that fear level and up to 40/45
and some stuff rly shines specifically at high fear or for speeds

ah and gtg lol

[nova oar]

Up to 50f and onion, and even 62 there's very few boons I won't put into a run

[long silo]

Name one

[nova oar]

Heph carried my first 60f

[nova oar]

Sea star, high surf, blood spree but that's a scars thing

[sleek oar]

Any ares boon

[long silo]

You're on scar 3?

[nova oar]

Yeah i play scars 3 sometimes at 50

[sleek oar]

/j/j 😪😪😪

[long silo]

Doesn't it just feel bad to say that as someone who... I'm assuming... loves this game? Don't you wish that was different?

[devout cairn]

say no jon, say you wish it wasn't different

[nova oar]

I very much disagree that ares is bad he's my favourite

[oblique hemlock]

i love the game but i also feel like ares boons can be kinda doodoo, i would love to know how to use him better

[sleek oar]

I dont love this game i only like it, ending did irrepairable damage

[long silo]

Fair

[nova oar]

Besides at 62 scars 3 is mandatory anyway

[nova oar]

I'm glad they fixed it but they really threw themselves under the bus first time around

I would rather take pain 3 scars 3 than take onion atp

[storm glen]

theyre good

[long silo]

That's crazy people feel that way. I never cared about the story honestly. It's not a great story, the mythology aspect of the game is purely aesthetic and the story is very basic. The relationships are ok but mostly boring. I like the game for the loop and combat and I want to constantly see more and more options for boon setups. As of right now, I don't. I see the "meta" and I don't see a reason to do anything else unless you're just fooling around... which is fine, that's not bad. But... yeah. My rant all over again. I'll stop there

[devout cairn]

just dont take stabbing rush and you are gonna be good

[sleek oar]

They fixed some stuff but theres still so many narrative problems 💔

[storm glen]

🦜

[nova oar]

I disagree, but the story is subjective

[minor eagle]

I love the story of hades 2

[oblique hemlock]

would you mind saying more abt that? wounds seems outclassed by other curses to me and his infusion boon is difficult to activate unless you plan for it

[minor eagle]

Favourite game of 2025 ngl

[sleek oar]

Me when ||the only guy to actually die is the big evil monster bc everyone deserves redemption unless theyre ugly|| 🧍‍♂️

[oblique hemlock]

the plasma stuff is cool i suppose

[devout cairn]

plasma is poopoo

[long silo]

Yup

[minor eagle]

Typhon was literally trying to destroy everything

[sleek oar]

So was chronos?

[oblique hemlock]

but i have a need for speed /s

[minor eagle]

Not really? He just wanted a new golden age

And even then killing the concept of time has ALOT MORE ramifications than killing a giant monster

[nova oar]

His core boons are pretty good it's just his attacks and specials that can struggle, his other cores and secondary boons/duos are actually really good

[sleek oar]

Well he kinda was the one to have typhon working unfer him

[storm glen]

wounds is good +50 pwr is strong

[devout cairn]

nah chronos was just adding bling to everything he did nothing wrong

[storm glen]

ares is similar to artemis from hades 1 imo

[nova oar]

I would change plasma tho

[minor eagle]

He revived typhon, multiple characters mention how typhon would go for chronos afterwards if he won

[nova oar]

I use wounds as a budget heph

[oblique hemlock]

oh that’s an interesting idea

[minor eagle]

Prometheus is somewhat working under chronos bcus he has the script of the game, typhon absolutely is not

[storm glen]

3s cooldown is low enough to proc on enemies multiple times and the +50 taking all your bonuses is really good

[sleek oar]

Yeah so how can you say chronos wasnt at fault 😭

[minor eagle]

Bcus he can be redeemed, given eons and eons

[storm glen]

blade drop boons are also good

[minor eagle]

You cant redeem the giant murder monster who's goals include murder murder and murder

[oblique hemlock]

… what does proc mean

[nova oar]

Yeah it's not gonna be your main dps but it can add alot if you have it on for example blades attack with a trick knives build

[storm glen]

activate

[minor eagle]

Activate

[sleek oar]

Everyone gets redeemed EXCEPT the big ugly monster guy, we have to kill him, what sort of lesson is that

[devout cairn]

i love it with his legendary but otherwise if I don't go out of my way to pick up plasma I get like a +3% boost most of the time. The damage that you are missing out on by going to pick them up is just not worth the speed

[restive pasture]

I also love Hades 2

[oblique hemlock]

even stabbing rush? i normally try to get a curse on my rush boon

[storm glen]

wounds is serviceable as main dps imo but yea its better on side things

[nova oar]

Stabbing rush is deceptively goood

[minor eagle]

I feel like you're forgetting its not bcus he's ugly its because he's trying to destroy the world for no other reason than destroying it

[nova oar]

I unironically love ares attack Shiva

[long silo]

Typhon has no character arc tho, he's the personification of monstrosity and a threat to all order and harmony in the universe

[storm glen]

its good yeah you kinda have to change your style a lil but the damage scales much harder than other rush boons

[minor eagle]

Thank you

[sleek oar]

Chronos also had no character arc guys, he gets deus ex machinad into changing

[storm glen]

in general thats the theme with ares he starts out very average but he scales up quickly and strong

[minor eagle]

His character arc is subtle and makes more sense in the patched ending

[long silo]

It'll go through his villain arc, how he was abandoned by his family and resentful

[nova oar]

Go to story discussion pls

[oblique hemlock]

like dashing closer to enemies?

[sleek oar]

We dont SEE any of that

[minor eagle]

Ok, im about done anyway lol

[storm glen]

yea

[long silo]

You read about it tho, the game is mostly reading I guess

[oblique hemlock]

hmm much to think about

[nova oar]

I've had it do 50-60k damage at base with me paying no attention to it

[storm glen]

specifically with jpom stabbing rush has really good pom scaling

[nova oar]

You would be really suprised at how many people skip dialogue

[sleek oar]

Doesnt particularly constitute for a character arc, you cant just tell and not show something this important

[storm glen]

im pretty sure its +30 on the first pom.whicj is nearly double damage lmao

[limpid oar]

are they the same people sitting in story channel and saying the ending ruined the game? 🔥

[nova oar]

Same with rapture ring and hestia fireballs, super underrated boons and builds

[long silo]

I skipped like 75% or more of it and I still got that I guess

[storm glen]

havr you seen hereditary bane

[nova oar]

Yep lmfao

[long silo]

It's not cinema though, it was painted for you with dialogue

[oblique hemlock]

hestia fireball my beloved

[devout cairn]

im pretty sure 70% of the dialogue is Mel glazing the olympians anyways

[nova oar]

I love bane

[storm glen]

i got it to 115% once

[sleek oar]

Books arent cinema either, you need to show stuff through actual actions and dialogue

[nova oar]

REAL it scales so hard 😭

[storm glen]

dialogue
hm

[long silo]

They did though? They locked him in the basement of Tartarus? No one visited him for aeons, he's lonely and abused and forgotten, he's taking his revenge, it's not much to get. It's like boiler plate villain stuff

[sleek oar]

Not the dialogue being “im good now”

[sleek oar]

Yes thats the backstory, but the redemption isnt shown

[long silo]

His redemption is in the gameplay? Hes atoning for his mistakes with every run

[oblique hemlock]

ok you guys have inspired me to give ares another try

thanks for the info i appreciate it

[long silo]

He's helping fix time and clean the house of hades

[nova oar]

Blade builds with apollo and heph are really fun, would try for that first

[sleek oar]

Girl thats him choosing to be good now, it has to show WHY he chose to be good, how did he get to that point

Zag giving him a “turn good or die” option is like 💀

[long silo]

Because he was exposed to a different potential life with his family and young Mel, he noticed his mistakes and apologized for his wrongs

[sleek oar]

Which we dont seeeeeee

[nova oar]

You do lmao

[long silo]

I saw it

[limpid oar]

wait has jon not played the amended ending

[nova oar]

Jon have you played the new ending

[long silo]

He's playing and giggling with Mel in the last scene, going to Olympus in the credits to apologize and atone

[wintry wharf]

Good Pan build?

[sleek oar]

Ive not seen all of the new ending

[nova oar]

[long silo]

Poseidon on spec, I'd want Apollo cast with nova whatever, trick knives, etc

[nova oar]

Pan special, hestia cast, go for trick knives

I miss old pan 😔

[wintry wharf]

How was old Pan?

[sleek oar]

Yall i literally analyze books and poems in a daily basis

[storm glen]

broken and dumb

[nova oar]

Like medea but stronger

[devout cairn]

name 2 books

[nova oar]

And ranged

[long silo]

Lots of people analyze lots of things like books and film!

[storm glen]

??? 💔💔💔

[nova oar]

You haven't even seen the full ending

[devout cairn]

???

[oblique hemlock]

da bible
da ntes inferno

[devout cairn]

too late didnt name them in time

[sleek oar]

Yk youre just a really negative person in this server like all the time lowkey, u should work on yourself

[nova oar]

LMFAO

[restive pasture]

What is happening

[sleek oar]

Yall really defend anything

[storm glen]

• true unopinionated statement
  so negative

[nova oar]

You can criticise the ending as much as you want but experience the whole thing first

[storm glen]

anyway i havent talked about the story much either because im not sure when it actually ends?

ive gotten the epillgue but theres always some crazy lore hidden in random boss dialogue

[nova oar]

It technically doesn't i've murdered this mf almost 200 times now

[fickle drum]

Every run I do I just play worse and worse

My skill level is going backwards

[nova oar]

Take a break and chill out, sounds like you're tilting

[long silo]

A rogue-like is kind of bound to the "ending" being forced to have some sort of infinite loop thing. Hades 2 did that really well

[fickle drum]

And get even worse tomorrow?

[restive pasture]

Yesterday Prom said he doesn't let his wounds heal on purpose and implied he is letting aetos munch his liver on a regular basis

[storm glen]

i did really like narcissus' plot very underrated

[devout cairn]

damn he a freak

[nova oar]

They did do a very good job on that part, but I do understand why people I don't like it

[restive pasture]

The trigger was entering his arena with very low health

[storm glen]

i do agree with people that mel being a suckup to the gods is dissapointing and i wanted to see more pushback

[long silo]

I don't think I ever got the first dog poop ending, I only ever got the newest one

[nova oar]

It was a massive s**t fight day of release lmao so many people hated it

[long silo]

Mel is the girl in school that reminds the teacher that we have homework due today and when people complain she goes on a tangent about how "it's the right thing to do"

[nova oar]

I was fine with it, i was never big on the story of h2 anyway

[storm glen]

i watched the og ending i think one of the devs snorted an entire woman

[granite wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wJ8c61bVg24?feature=share
anyone want to play this with me?

[restive pasture]

Tbf she was raised to be that way

[long silo]

Mel is actually insufferable as a personality to me, I love her character design tho, she looks cool af

[fickle drum]

Insufferable?

[nova oar]

I still prefer zag and h1 story overall

[devout cairn]

the hate on the original ending got so annoying because i just wanted to talk about how broken Zeus was so I retroactively started liking it to annoy them

[restive pasture]

I warmed up to her gradually, I'm quite attached now after many hours

[nova oar]

But gameplay wise h2 is much better and that's what i'm here for

[oblique hemlock]

i sense some darkest dungeon in those character portraits

[storm glen]

why did you want to talk about that

[long silo]

Yep, being the security guard is just hard af... Mel is this idealistic insufferable kantian and zag is just like I'm a security guard and need to meet my mom

[fickle drum]

What was the original ending like?

What is a kantian?

[limpid oar]

I like Mel I think she's cool

[nova oar]

There's something deeply funny about zag beating up his father just because he can

[storm glen]

mel is cool and sweet i like her but she is very very distinctly flawed in more ways than zag is

[devout cairn]

idk it was the talk of the day

[oblique hemlock]

someone who follows the ethics of immanuel kant, the german philosopher

[nova oar]

Meanwhile Mel just cranks a 90 on the on goal she trained her life for

[long silo]

Real

[fickle drum]

I don't know what ethics those are

[long silo]

There's a real big book about them that me and most other people will never read. The wiki is good though.

[oblique hemlock]

i don’t have the energy to explain them at the moment but you can find lots of information online

[fickle drum]

What about just how it relates to melinoe?

[long silo]

She's bound to duty by all means necessary, believing in a universal moral law

[crude dragon]

All I know about Kant's philosophy is from the meme about how different philosophers would pee, and Kant's is "in the sink"

[storm glen]

shes kunty

[fickle drum]

Idk she seems like a nice girl to me.

[long silo]

The classic Kantian image is that of the murderer that knocks on your door asking where your kids are so he can kill them, and because lying is a universal wrong and by no means should anyone ever lie, it is your duty to tell this man the truth, you must tell the murderer where your children are.

[devout cairn]

she's too nice for a child soldier

[restive pasture]

She is. She also has a much larger weight placed on her

[oblique hemlock]

she would probably benefit from therapy

[restive pasture]

I actually think she's incredibly well adjusted based on her circumstances

She has a home, family, friends, community, purpose, etc.

[oblique hemlock]

oh yeah i agree, she’s just been through a whole lot and it’s difficult to heal from all that on your own, even with a great support network

[fickle drum]

She seems to be doing fine

[restive pasture]

I might even call her self actualized since we're armchairing

[fickle drum]

Could the Frenzy 2 thing just be messing with me that much in a way I don't notice? If it were that I'd feel better about these setbacks.

[long silo]

I mean well adjusted just means that someone conforms to the norms of modern western society, which is built on the ethics and philosophy of Immanuel Kant.

Typically western. Other societies have other well adjusted people that we would be baffled at

[restive pasture]

Well she is in a Greek setting which western society loves to reference

[long silo]

I wish Socrates was somewhere in the game, it wouldn't mess with the lore and he could just be found wandering around any biome of the game simply annoying people

[crude dragon]

Kant never accounted for the idea of the castle law, I just shoot the murderer 😎

[minor eagle]

Am i just going insane or does the argent skull omega special's duration fluxuate alot

[devout cairn]

mom's skull?

[oblique hemlock]

omg i wanna see diogenes

[minor eagle]

Yeah mom skull

[long silo]

He offers you dog bones from his tub

[devout cairn]

ye that's the main mechanic of the aspect, olympian damage charges up ur bar and then ospecial lasts longer

[minor eagle]

Ah

Thx

[astral canyon]

[fickle drum]

Although I was doing badly even before the Frenzy 2 thing. Still, that would explain a lot.

Speaking of which, any tips on avoiding prom's wave kick thingy?

[restive pasture]

Look for the animation and time a dash, really the only way

[minor eagle]

I am so glad poseidon makes voice lines when sea star activates

I ran away from a mini moon thing in mourning fields and would have just left it to rot if he didnt talk

[restive pasture]

I love sea star

[fickle drum]

All of prom's animations look the same to me.

[minor eagle]

Fr

[oblique hemlock]

HAVE ANOTHER

[long silo]

Whoooooooweeeee I'm reading all the bad reviews on steam rn

[minor eagle]

As you said that he went "and another!" Lol

[broken creek]

he kinda suspends in the air for an extra half second before he does it so you can look for that queue then i always dash like a fraction after he actually kicks with how fast the projectile is

if hes offscreen tho oh well

[restive pasture]

I've trained my peripheral vision to look for that airhangtime while I'm clobbering his yaoi lover

[crude dragon]

They call me 007
0 Procs
0 Rooms before Chronos
7 Poms burned

[minor eagle]

Skill issue he loves me

[restive pasture]

I like when it procs on a pom and you just pump both into sea star

[broken creek]

chat between medea, than, morrigan, and shiva what weapon do i 62f today

[pulsar hatch]

Prometheus is AWFUL

[broken creek]

it will be my warmup for fruitless 67f tries today

[devout cairn]

morrigan

[broken creek]

ok 😔

[crude dragon]

Shiva

[broken creek]

vortex was faster so shiva will be for next day ig

ok im not doing morrigan

i do not wanna have to put up with actual combo sequencing rn

[devout cairn]

wtf

[restive pasture]

I assume medea is good at all fear levels. Than is fun

[devout cairn]

rigged

[glossy shadow]

Apollo attack my beloved

[fickle isle]

why is ares so goated

[ebon flint]

hi

[broken creek]

ok maybe ive just realized i hate coat and daggers entierly

[nova oar]

Goodbye

[balmy iris]

Wow

[broken creek]

cuz like ew

[ebon flint]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-turn-to-dust-finnicklomlgif-gif-6202351048420329284

[balmy iris]

Coat and blades are the fastest though

[wispy storm]

secret crush buff when

[restive pasture]

Daggers I understand but coat?

[pallid cradle]

Just knock out Medea it should take an hour or 2 max

[balmy iris]

Mel coat specifically

My fastest time is sub 11 with Mel coat

[broken glen]

Even special spam Nyx (my beloved)

[pallid cradle]

I promise you'd sub 10 first try with anything else if your best time is Mel Coat

[glossy shadow]

Real tbh

I'm best w morrigan mostly bc Apollo attack tags everyone to make the sequencing more brainless 😌

[balmy iris]

How in the world do I sub 10 with like moros or nergal

[devout cairn]

what you mean with moros, just activate ospecial and hold attack

[balmy iris]

But the point of moros is to pop the oattack

[devout cairn]

yeah that will happen naturally

[crude dragon]

Yeah, and you do that by having the OSpecial up at all times

[glossy shadow]

Tbh morrigan blades there are builds where your omega attack will do more damage than your trio, also

[balmy iris]

See I don’t ever use moros because I think it’s slower than eos (even if I don’t get hidden helix)

[glossy shadow]

The splosions so SO much bonus damage oomfie

[balmy iris]

Don’t oomfie me I don’t even know you

[glossy shadow]

👁️👄👁️ Habibi we are all dad's children

[thin laurel]

moros is pretty definitively faster than Eos ngl
I like Eos slightly more personally, and I think Eos is very well suited to high fear, but Moros is VERY good at dealing damage fast

[balmy iris]

[simple epoch]

I'm properly really dumb here and please do make fun off me cause I feel like I should be wrong as I doubt super giant would sink so low

But in the title screen when you start the game, Mel's fingers are melting together on her normal hand. In the same way ai gens would

[thin laurel]

like. looking at speedrun dot com at least, the highest ranked officially submitted Eos run is rank 131 and the highest Moros run is #10 rn
Moros is def the best torch for speed specifically lol

[devout cairn]

cant believe you are making me open the game just to say "no"

no

[simple epoch]

I mean any reason to open Hades 2 and end up playing is a good thing.

But like I said its more properly then not just a minor artist mistake

[broken creek]

no fr i was about to start another run too

[balmy iris]

That’s it I can’t do this anymore

[devout cairn]

that's not a mistake and as someone who draws artists love doing that merging the two fingers together s**t

[broken creek]

its not even a mistake have you not seen art that draws fingers a bit more melded at times

[devout cairn]

it's been happening years before AI

[simple epoch]

Not like that nor that I've noticed before

[broken creek]

like any anime thing

[thin laurel]

I know what you mean but it doesn’t come across as the type or error AI makes to me.
it comes across as a stylistic thing that results from how they choose to do the line-art and shading

[simple epoch]

Like I said. I'm moat properly dumb and more wanted confirmation that my concerns were wrong

[balmy iris]

I can’t promote eos anymore there’s too many downsides

[broken creek]

what are you doing with it lol

[simple epoch]

Jokes in you I don't watch anime

[thin laurel]

I mean I LOVE Eos, 100% my favorite torch and my personal recommended torch for high fear.
just not rly a speedrun weapon imo

[devout cairn]

it's normal, erasing hard lines or edges is a stylistic decision, specially for someone like Jen Zee. It's like the nose merging with the face in 3/4 views, where the nose line just disappears

[long silo]

Aight I used phial after ephyra, got my upgrade just fine, but then I took cherished heirloom on the boats and didn't get a second upgrade when I took fountain with my phial equipped at the Olympus fountain

[thin laurel]

that’s normal, phial only works once per run

[long silo]

But.... cherished heirloom

[balmy iris]

What does 4 star phial do? Increase fountain regen?

[thin laurel]

…doesn’t upgrade it at all. because at rank 3 it already turns common into heroic.
iirc it’s in the same category as god keepsakes, no rank 4 so cheirloom doesn’t affect it (unless yours wasn’t max rank yet)

[minor eagle]

What do i want for medea on my attack?

[long silo]

I though CH would make another one of my commons heroic

[minor eagle]

Do i want a status or one that does more damage

[long silo]

Ares

[long silo]

%damage

[minor eagle]

Peak

[thin laurel]

nope
the keepsake is still rank 3
cherished heirloom doesn’t specifically refill usages for keepsakes, it ranks them up, so if the keepsake has no rank 4 it won’t affect it at all

[long silo]

Best thing on madea I think is ares attack Zeus spec go for heinous affront with Apollo light smite and Zeus divine vengeance

[balmy iris]

divine vengeance

[minor eagle]

Tbh zeus is the best for anything

[balmy iris]

You’re a glass cannon but you’re not supposed to get hit

[thin laurel]

if the rank up bonus from phial was “make a common boon heroic 1/2/3/4 timer per night” it would work
but sadly nope

[long silo]

Yep... it sucks. But I won't go there

[restive pasture]

it would be nice if the heal increased

[thin laurel]

not for charon xo
also so far I’ve cleared 62 fear five times and never used blitz on a successful run lol. zeus is very good but he’s not essential 👀

[long silo]

Yep I'm dumb I thought that was it

[glossy shadow]

Does jeweled pom stack with aspect Persephone? Can I get level 9+ goodies booned to me?

[thin laurel]

ahhh yeah at lower ranks it turns the common boon rare/epic
sad that a category of keepsakes is unaffected by cheirloom, but also tbh cheirloom is an absurdly good boon on other keepsakes lol so idt it’s bad for balance, just kind of a shame

[limpid oar]

Sounds like a Charon issue to me

[balmy iris]

Yes

[glossy shadow]

🗿 tysm twin

[balmy iris]

Why would you suggest ares attack when his % is like 20 at common

[long silo]

Heinous affront with light smite and divine vengeance

[crude dragon]

Sure can, and if you roll Cheirloom and Premium Service, I believe you can get that up to +13?

[thin laurel]

the +power bonus is also quite good, and medea takes extra advantage of it 👀
since medea gets 90% attack damage innately, and the power bonus from wounds will get pumped through that, not just Ares base %

[nova oar]

Every game will have a best and a worst

[minor eagle]

Ive never considered him essential but always love to see him

[crude dragon]

Hera or Aphro, mostly

Ares for the Heinous pipeline

[nova oar]

Also stop having fun without me while i'm at work

[balmy iris]

I don’t play Medea but are you supposed to take a lot of damage

[thin laurel]

on charon zeus is prob in the bottom 3 gods I want to see ngl
I don’t mind seeing him? but he has very few good boons for charon, and one of them is only good for some specific charon builds

[glossy shadow]

Mommy wine build 🫡

[thin laurel]

it’s very high risk high reward lol, you don’t want to take damage but sometimes have to since the range is so small…
but heinous affront lets you trigger revenge boons without taking damage, via wounds

[long silo]

Special isn't a dash, that'll kill you the most.

[thin laurel]

also yeah, no i-frames on special + wanting to physically slam into enemies with special can get you hit. but you aren’t “supposed” to take damage ideally, it’s just an aspect which makes it harder not to

[crude dragon]

You should be playing aggressively, but you shouldn't be taking tons of damage

[balmy iris]

Ok so it’s just a Apollo/ares build which is probably better on like Mel axe than Medea

[long silo]

I mean honestly it's gonna change every run. If you have a epic lvl 4 aphro special you should probably take that instead of common Zeus poopy and then go for that one hammer that's really good on specials

[crude dragon]

Nah, Medea is the speedrunner weapon for a reason

Also the one to get the first max Fear surface clear

[long silo]

There's one hammer on skulls Medea where if you have aphro special it makes it better than Zeus special

Foolish did it in a speed run

[thin laurel]

medea is the undisputed fastest weapon in the game lol, Mel axe is okay but doesn’t really come close.
again, medea has innate +90% attack and special damage. it also has absurdly high mobility, good AoE (at melee range), AND the attack and special hit simultaneously so you can benefit from two boons at once, whereas Mel axe doesn’t buff special at all and is significantly slower

[broken creek]

flood gain possessed array medea out of erebus my beloved 🙏

ares/hestia on atk and special respectivley, if i lose im bad at the game

[thin laurel]

also possessed array is an absurd hammer upgrade, yeah. even without it medea is the king of speeds, but with it any skull is like. hilariously strong

[balmy iris]

My point was, getting a heinous affront combo would be better on something that would get you hit more while providing more health

[long silo]

Until you get it on fields and haven't buffed your magic the entire run and it's out after 3-5 hits

[thin laurel]

oh, hard disagree
heinous affront does not make you WANT to take damage. the point of heinous affront is that you get to use revenge boons WITHOUT taking damage

[balmy iris]

Ok I give up I’m in the wrong today

[thin laurel]

heinous affront is also not essential for medea to be strong, it’s a nice bonus but very optional. but when I have it I still avoid getting hit, builds where you actively want to take damage are very rare in this game tbh

[ancient totem]

I will say for heinous you likely want blitz on spec and wounds on atk for optimal blitz procs

[balmy iris]

Where’s Sliver to kick me when I’m down

[thin laurel]

oh for sure, for medea at least!
you can run it on stuff like Hel with Ares special + hestia/poseidon attack and zeus cast, tho, with Apollo for light smite

or Mel staff with zeus attack ares spec
idt having heinous changes where you want zeus vs ares, that’s just aspect dependent

[ancient totem]

Though a more heated discussion would be whether its worth rolling if you start with Cloud Bangle and don't get blitz spec

[thin laurel]

for medea? if you’re starting cloud bangle then I assume you have rerolls, and yeah I’d prob reroll for special
but also I fate’s whim 9/10 runs lately lol

I could see like. if you’re offered epic storm ring then idk if I’d say no to heroic storm ring room 1.
but if you’re starting bangle then may as well get max value out of it

[ancient totem]

Post game I've been JPom start for almost every weapon, can only think of a few aspects where I feel like a specific god or boon is needed

Supay & Thunder Rush, Charon & Geyser Spout/Lucid Gain

[thin laurel]

even for those I tend to be stubborn and fate’s whim lol, at least for high fear.
for Hel speed attempts I did poseidon start, but for high fear I just jpommed and kept resetting til I got hestia or poseidon in erebus 💀

[crude dragon]

Thought Supay wanted Breaker the most

Even after its ability to buff Beach Ball got removed

[thin laurel]

oh supay thunder rush? I feel like it def has other options
breaker is highest damage, heat is okay, nexus has great room clear
and lowkey I find special more important on supay than rush, in its current iteration

[ancient totem]

I took Nexus on a Supay JPom run but ended up with no atk or spec boons by end of Erebus and was STRUGLLING because Nexus is great burst but terrible consistent damage

[fickle drum]

#h2-victory-boasting message Ok it's good to have a success after a day of failures. It was pretty good too if you ask me.

[thin laurel]

I’d say like… Hel, non-trick knives Pan, and Charon are notably a bit less fate’s whim friendly than most aspects
but Charon I still fate’s whim tbh, so long as I have 1 of the 3 gain boons I like for Charon it’s solid

[ancient totem]

Hel without splash atk or scorch idk what I would even do

[thin laurel]

I’ve had some success with zeus attack + static shock + air quality
but yeah Hel is rough, annoyingly few good builds fr

[red fox]

You cry

[thin laurel]

I suppose you can always just heph and ignore the aspect lol

but % attack Hel feels…. bad

[red fox]

Non existent oattack too

200 base dmg iirc but good luck using that

[thin laurel]

I’m kind of a fate’s whim charon enjoyer tho, ik it’s objectively pretty bad for fate’s whim, but… it’s fun. so long as I have at least 1 of apollo, poseidon, or hera I’m happy

[red fox]

Fate whim charon is fine still enough god work with it

[thin laurel]

for me it’s literally just “I want a usable gain”

[red fox]

When desperate enough ionic and tranq gain work

[ancient totem]

define "usable"

[thin laurel]

enough total casts and specials work with charon, and a lot of gods have solid tier 2 cast boons, so as long as I can grab lucid, flood, or born gain I’m having fun. some ppl may tolerate tranquil and ionic too

[red fox]

As long as not glamour tough cardio

[thin laurel]

can comfortably clear like 40-50 fear, maybe higher but I don’t have experience with that
I first tried my charon 62 and got apollo in erebus so. idk how other gods feel. but for the 40-50 range heph hera demeter ares for instance is a perfectly solid god pool

[ancient totem]

I feel like Ionic and Tranq are the worst overall gains with Cardio, Glamour, and Tough being worse in specific use cases

actually wait, Grisly Gain exists

[thin laurel]

I hate tranquil and ionic with a passion, but I think it’s less that they’re weak and more that they’re annoying

[red fox]

Yea they are annoying but still usable

[ancient totem]

They're inconvinient and make you play around them

[thin laurel]

I hate ionic gain more
it’s my single least favorite core boon. wym I have to press E during combat??? no. I refuse

I take it on huntress builds with zeus to fill the gain slot and never risk accidentally regenerating magick lol

[ancient totem]

Tbf I'm a MAX 32 fear player so my experience with how good or bad a boon is is incredibly skewed towards average players rather than high fear or speedrunners

[thin laurel]

I think 32 is generally more flexible….? like, you don’t need a solution to wards, for instance, or to play around forfeit (which makes some weapons reeeaaally suck rooms 1-2 at minimum)

[red fox]

Supay and Hel on forfeit make you want to forfeit

[nova oar]

Yeah malkin is very fearpilled

[thin laurel]

I think doing 40f every aspect with (mostly) jpom gave me a decent idea of what works in the 30-40 range tho tbh.
but yes 😔 guilty as charged

[ancient totem]

Forfeit on Surface HURTS

[red fox]

Forfeit on surface hurt less

[thin laurel]

hm rly? I feel like it’s way worse in Erebus, ephyra has a ton of boons

[ancient totem]

actually wait im stupid it is Erebus

[thin laurel]

but with forfeit + debt you can leave erebus with like…….. 2 boons total, if you’re unlucky, and that can be like. “glamour gain and blinding rush” so you have no damage 🙃

forfeit in thessaly sucks tho
but still, ephyra my beloved zombie infested city is p chill

[grave gorge]

Hey, that's origination!
🙂

[thin laurel]

oh also, case in point, my charon 62 run I wasn’t offered a gain boon until erebus final shop, so I timed out vs Hecate really early and lost all three DDs

won the run because Athena pulled through in oceanus and then damage was great, but idk. forfeit debt timer erebus is like that, sometimes it’s the hardest region of the whole run smh

[nova oar]

You've also done more 62's than me

[thin laurel]

also like. playing Hel, getting poseidon midboss when I have no boons, and he offers me flood gain, sea star, and buried treasure? I want to scream

[ancient totem]

my usual fear setup is Frenzy 1, Scars 1, Shadow, Fangs 1/2, Time 2, Rivals 2-3, and however much Menace I need to hit testament

[craggy totem]

Me when Hestia offers me rush, gain, and idk, Snuffed Candle when I'm starting a coat run

[thin laurel]

that’s VERY reasonable I think.
could do hubris on some weapons too v easily, if you want

[red fox]

Take buried treasure and bury this run

[ancient totem]

Yeah I was defaulting Hubris prior to deciding I should get comfy on Frenzy speed

[nova oar]

Interesting

[craggy totem]

NGL since I've hit my natural limits, I've gotten a lot more reset-happy 😂

[thin laurel]

actually ooh scars 1 is interesting
I avoid scars like the plague unless I’m forced to use it

[nova oar]

I love using scars 3

[fickle drum]

Welp, I unlocked Rivals 4, so obviously I have no choice but to run it at least once both ways.

[ancient totem]

Scars 1 is small enough of a ding to your healing that you can still mostly play as you usually would with the needed fear

[thin laurel]

honestly doing lower fear after grinding away in the 62 mines is so fun… like wym bosses don’t deal 80 damage 🤯 wym no wards, and no rivals 4…. is this a beautiful dream

[ancient totem]

Fortunately the Fate Prophecy only needs you to encounter, not defeat

[craggy totem]

At 32F I found Scars 1 wasn't much of a concern, but I can imagine it being a bigger problem later on lol

[thin laurel]

good luck!!
it is, imo, Not Easy
but both fights are quite cool conceptually, and one of them is one of my favorite fights in the game (unless I’m doing 62s then I dread it)

[ancient totem]

I still haven't had much success with Rivals 4 on surface or underworld, perhaps its me carrying over from Hades 1 where taking EM4 was just a bad call for people just looking to clear high fear

[restive pasture]

i don't forsee myself ever turning off rivals 4, i think my runs would just feel anticlimatic now

[thin laurel]

I think I also just like avoiding it when I’m allowed to lol… same with denial and wards, like they’re not all that hard to deal with imo but being free to not play around them is so nice

[craggy totem]

That's totally fair haha

[red fox]

When only turn on rival 3 final region is like victory lap

[craggy totem]

after all you don't need to avoid Rivals dfghjdfghjfghjh

[fickle drum]

I... Am also taking Frenzy 2. Idk if this is insane but I really want to get used to it.

[thin laurel]

oh, I did turn scars on for my Nergal 40s lol, to try to lean into the aspect’s unique strengths. didn’t rly enjoy it

[restive pasture]

like before it got to a point where I was destroying regular chronos before even seeing most of his moveset

[thin laurel]

is it your first time with frenzy 2? I can say from personal experience that learning frenzy 2 and rivals 4 at the same time is…… def hard mode. but. up to you

[fickle drum]

I've been playing with it on starting today.

[restive pasture]

And there's no way I'm missing a chance to blast a Louis Cole drum solo

[fickle drum]

And I'm like, at this point I don't mind losing so long as I learn something.

[craggy totem]

Blessed are those who can listen to BGM while playing a bossfight

[ancient totem]

how did I not realize the icon for rivals is a tiny mel holding up the world like Atlas

[fickle drum]

I mean, my ears work when I play videogames.

[craggy totem]

tiny mel
This is redundant tbh

[thin laurel]

what, you mean you don’t astral project out of your body and get distracted whenever the sax solo in polyphemus last 1/3 hp bar kicks in? can’t imagine

[restive pasture]

I play H2 with all volume to set to 70 and music set to 100

[craggy totem]

Bro I fully did not even realize the sax solo was in the game until someone told me to my face. Possibly you. (And I LIKE that song. lmfao)

[thin laurel]

…that said I could not tell you what eris or cerb boss ost sounds like. I could maybe hum like. a bar or two if I’m lucky

[devout cairn]

aint no way people are picking up on a drum solo during these fights

[ancient totem]

Polyphemus has one of my fav themes in the entire game, a shame I never get to hear it any more blasting through ephyra

[fickle drum]

I'm gonna try aspect of Than again. From what you told me I shouldn't worry too much about the omega attacks.

[devout cairn]

nvm i did notice the flute on poly's fight but that's because it is easy af

[craggy totem]

The flute part I also had noticed yeah, and I liked it! Does anyone know if it was the same flautist that soloed on Icarus' track?

[thin laurel]

I like the sax version better ngl
but a game ost having jazz flute is such a vibe

[restive pasture]

i feel like chronos 4 drums are hard to miss

[nova oar]

No

[devout cairn]

i zone out whenever Ickarus appears so i wouldn't know...

[restive pasture]

it's a nice reference to poly playing woodwind stuff

[pallid cradle]

Nothing tops the Hades 1 EM4 guitar solo

[fickle drum]

Even with Than, I think I should most of the time cancel the last hit?

[craggy totem]

If I had not listened to it separately on Youtube I would not have been able to tell you a single thing about what music plays during any Chronos fight

[thin laurel]

I would assume not because the genre is so different? and because they were added to the game at different times. but maybe.
like, the ephyra boss drops are p clearly improvised, whereas icarus could be a classical woodwind player easily

[red fox]

Not if i just die

[devout cairn]

ngl I have no idea what chronos' ost sounds like and I never turned the music off, gonna assume it's mid

[fickle drum]

Oh, there's a trick I didn't realize

To cancel the last hit I have to actually be in the last hit animation.

[thin laurel]

yup, diff musicians
Josh Plotner on necropolis, Kristin Naigus on the Icarus theme

[restive pasture]

first 2 phases are kinda mid, but i recommend checking out "End of Time"

[craggy totem]

Oh I fully would not have been able to tell lol. Given the whole thing in classical music where cadenzas get formalized I'm just like "okay! sounds good!!! no comment"

[fickle drum]

Or rather, I have to take care that I do not use the special in the middle of the second swing, or I'll just continue into the third anyway

[thin laurel]

I think jazz solos just stand out to me lol, my dad is a jazz musician so it’s very like. “ah yes. jazz improv”

[craggy totem]

Oh dang that's p cool

[thin laurel]

I think some ppl don’t realize/know that improvisation is like… arguably the single core trait of jazz, actually 👀
genres are flexible so it’s not mandatory in every single song, but the “jazzy” sound ppl tend to think of is more swing specifically, and crops up in a lot of non-jazz

swung rhythms, horns, big band orchestration, and like. 7 chords ig are what most people hear as jazz-y…? I’d assume.
but a lot of stuff from the 60s onwards is rly different than that 👀

[fickle drum]

Oh, I remember someting I was told a long time ago in Hades 2.

When I dash strike, if I delay the attack, I can still benefit from some iframes. Is this still true?

[craggy totem]

I'm sure I could wring some nonsense out of claiming that this is reflective of Polyphemus' approach to the whole war thing, thematically speaking

[thin laurel]

he also speaks like a NYC mobster lowkey, so making his boss themes use improvised woodwind jazz solos is very like. lmao. idk, it’s the right aesthetic

[fickle drum]

He's just a sheep herder.

[pulsar hatch]

Prometheus is so annoying man

[restive pasture]

I was told your iframes end when you hit the attack button

[fickle drum]

Yes, but that means that if you wait a little, you still get some iframes.

[restive pasture]

oh yeah, if you're mid-dash and haven't attacked sure

[fickle drum]

I assume the iframes are while Mel is green.

You can also turn around before executing a dash strike.

I've not really seriously used skelly to really test the nuances of my moveset.

Hm..

The third hit IS very powerful though. And you CAN dash before executing it. And with Than axe it's not that bad.

Oh, and omega special of the axe deal more damage the further away you are.

Oh, I forgot, the big damage is the crit. Although it does deal more damage where the circles overlap. But there's a lot of leeway for that.

[minor eagle]

Can morrigan blood trial crit

[craggy totem]

No

[minor eagle]

Womp womp

[thin laurel]

nope
the only ways to increase its damage are daedalus hammers and heph leg

[craggy totem]

The only things that can alter blood triad damage are the things SPECIFIC to blood triad

[minor eagle]

Gotcha

[craggy totem]

(So like, normal hammers won't do anything either, it has to be the ones that specifically say they change triad damage)

[thin laurel]

…and I guess success rate if you have a specific daedalus hammer

[rugged cloud]

Hey so a few weeks ago here I was asking about some strength damage reduction stuff, and someone told me that there are other weird interactions of things not applying damage reduction like they should. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I can't remember what the person told me

[nova oar]

Not that i'm aware of

[devout cairn]

dont recall any

[red fox]

Can self search in discord

[long silo]

Polyphemus has a perfect vibe and aesthetic and music

[rugged cloud]

Idk how I'm new to using discord . I see the speech but searching my name just shows me and goes to my profile

[long silo]

That's honestly my favorite fight in the game besides chronos

[devout cairn]

type from: and then your name and then click on it

[rugged cloud]

Thank you!

[fickle drum]

What are the best passive ways to inflict status curses?

[nova oar]

Glamour gain

[red fox]

Glamour gain is simplest way

[fickle drum]

I find that the ones that require sprinting are a bit iffy.

[nova oar]

Cast is also easy

[red fox]

Glamour gain + legendary

[fickle drum]

So I'm thinking, glamour gain and a cast.

Or Aphrodite legendary I suppose

[nova oar]

Yep

[fickle drum]

If I have Aphrodite I can put her on attack too, so that's half of the condition fulfilled.

I just don't really jive well with rush boons.

[nova oar]

Fair, they can be annoying to trigger

[fickle drum]

I'm ok with Poseidon or Demeter rush which can just passively do their thing, but relying on rush to get Origination just feels bad.

[nova oar]

I wish it would hit on dash and sprint rather than just sprint

[fickle drum]

I think Demeter + any other cursing Ring can pop origination by itself?

[nova oar]

It can yes

[fickle drum]

Poseidon with that counter wave thingy and the froth upgrade may also passively inflict Froth, but it requires a combination of boons.

Speaking of which, are Poseidon attacks any good?

[nova oar]

Pos attack is really good on anubis, blades, coat, hel

[fickle drum]

I think the splash is a modestly wide area too? So maybe it goes with something rapidfire?

[nova oar]

Special is perfect for pan

[long silo]

So if you get some enemies in a cast ring, rushing around the ring and dash attacking is a good way I like to get into origination

[nova oar]

Yeah cast is probably the best way to start origination

[nova oar]

Correct

[fickle drum]

So is Ares attack or Special any good on anything?

[red fox]

Good on thing you don't use often ig, for enable other boon and originations

[nova oar]

I really like it on shiva, pan, treat them as a heph boon

And medea

[fickle drum]

Heph boons are kinda weird. Like, it barely matters what weapon you use with it.

[long silo]

Heph needs to be pommed a lot or you need a very lucky jpom start

[fickle drum]

You just need to really drive down the cooldown.

[nova oar]

So much fun if you do tho

[long silo]

A good heph is my favorite feeling in this game though

[nova oar]

Really amazing god for high fear

[long silo]

Especially if you get furnace glow on it later, then it's working origination with something else and it's stupid stupid good

[fickle drum]

I'm just saying, when you do Heph boons, it's barely a <insert weapon here> run anymore, just a Heph run.

[median plinth]

I've been a fan of status cast + demeter cast bonus

[long silo]

You can pick other stuff, just Pom heph a lot a lot

[median plinth]

drop cast and instant origination

[fickle drum]

I think whatever strategy I'm using for like a Polly/Aph attack, I think a curse cast is probably reliable.

Then Aph gain or something.

Does using Ares attack require any real finesse? Like using it on a big omega attack or something?

Or is it just, every few hits is some extra free damage and you get half of origination for free.

[nova oar]

On shiva, yes, otherwise no

[crude dragon]

You're mostly just gonna get the damage spike and not think much else about it

[fickle drum]

Because shiva gets a big mult?

[crude dragon]

Yep, from the Destructive stacks

It's what, +75% damage on the next OAttack/stack?

[fickle drum]

Would you run Night with Shiva?

[crude dragon]

Yeah, it's the most obvious Night-cycling weapon besides Momus

[fickle drum]

And what sort of Magick management would you use? Polly or Hera?

I guess Zeus would work in lieu of anything better.

[cunning laurel]

yea those are probably the two best options

[nova oar]

Yes

[nova oar]

Pos, apollo, hera if I have to

[fickle drum]

Poseidon really?

[neon hull]

i just beat zagreus today

[fickle drum]

I keep sleeping on that one

[cunning laurel]

better than zeus for sure

[neon hull]

flood gain is pretty good. not my favorite tho

[fickle drum]

Oh, and I guess bringing the doggo might help too now that I think about it.

[neon hull]

doggo is excellent for magick heavy builds

[fickle drum]

Oh yeah I can see using Poseidon with doggo being good.

Ares gain isn't great right? The plasma kinda scatters all over the place. Although with his legendary you basically have infinite magick.

[neon hull]

assuming you're lucky enough to even get his legendary

[fickle drum]

Yeah I'm just saying

[nova oar]

It's better than youd expect

[neon hull]

i personally like zeus gain the best. apollo gain if i'm running circe staff

[fickle drum]

I don't hate Zeus gain, it will get the job done.

[neon hull]

i like how straight forward it is. out of magick? just grab the yellow ball. ez

glamour gain is good if you have a melee build

[fickle drum]

I take glamour gain more for the weak than anything else and accept that I won't be spamming omegas.

Works well enough for torches or similar aspects tho.

[neon hull]

but don't you have to use omegas when running torches?

[fickle drum]

Heph gain is like, it's a pretty massive restore, but it relies on getting hit.

Omega attack only costs like 5 magick, and you don't have to use the omega special continuously.

[neon hull]

oh true

[neon hull]

unless you're using moros

and moros is my fav weapon aspect lol

[fickle drum]

Supay makes me feel like I'm playing a different game.

[neon hull]

unfortunately it got nerfed pretty hard

[fickle drum]

Like, it actually benefits a lot from a good rush boon.

I'd run Hera or Zeus.

But I've noticed the early game is very rough.

[neon hull]

damn. not many builds benefit from a rush boon

[fickle drum]

Yeah but with Supay you can actually spend 95% of the time sprinting.

[neon hull]

nice

[fickle drum]

Like I said, it feels like I'm playing a different game. Something like Touhou.

It's a pretty hard aspect to use though.

[long silo]

Supay is deeply unfun to me

[fickle drum]

I would not play it regularly myself. And I already finished a run with it, so at least I have no obligation to use it.

[covert badge]

nah man supay is peak

[storm glen]

the peak of the trash heap

[fickle drum]

But I can appreciate it for being so very unlike other weapons.

[neon hull]

did the nerfs make it trash or something??

[storm glen]

no i just hate it its not even bad

[broken creek]

it went from being a you could win with your eyes closed weapon to having no hitstun on anything it does lmao

[neon hull]

oh

[neon hull]

what's hitstun?

[broken creek]

yk when you hit the enemy and they stagger out of what theyre doing for a second

[neon hull]

oh that. ok

and supay doesn't have that like, at all??

[broken creek]

supay just cant do that lmao, hence why some people take toula for it, low fear the weapon is fine but high fear its stupid to get online

[neon hull]

wow

i'm kinda addicted to playing aspect of moros rn anyways lmao

the amount of damage you can do in such a short amount of time is ***chef's kiss ***

[long silo]

I Don't know how they sat there and decided that weapon should go into the game

[red fox]

Why not, it is some variety

[neon hull]

which one? supay or moros?

[long silo]

Supay, Moros is very fun

[neon hull]

agreed. i even made it my name in this server as you can see lol

[long silo]

Yea that and eos are super fun

[neon hull]

haven't played eos yet

[red fox]

Torch is definitely my favourite, all 4 aspect feel very different

[pearl hearth]

FINALLY beat Typhon uughhhh

[neon hull]

congrats

[long silo]

Heck yea!!!

[pearl hearth]

now i just have to beat him three more times and do the epilogue and vow and all the other stuff

yippee

[neon hull]

dw if you've beaten him once you can beat him again

[pearl hearth]

yup-- i did just try again recently and died but that was bc i accidentally started a run with the Argent skull 💀

[stone shoal]

Update: It did not work. I could try dying to it, but I probably just need to re-reach the True Ending. 🙁 So many hoops to get what should be one of the easiest incantations to unlock. It's been my only one left for like 2 weeks now, lol

[neon hull]

oof. which aspect did you use?

[pearl hearth]

medea i think- i never use the skull in the first place so i have practically no experience

[neon hull]

the skull is a really good weapon, especially medea aspect. but yea if you've never used a weapon before then practice against the skeleton dude with it. that's what i do

[pearl hearth]

yeah- whats your advice for skull as i don't exactly know what builds synergize with it

[red fox]

Put boon on atk and special, go attack->special loop ram special into enemy

[neon hull]

for medea skull, i usually go with aphrodite attack and special. for hammer i try to get wide grin and fetching array. for magick regen boons go with whatever you want

[red fox]

Medea really need aspect level so if your medea level is low you gonna feel terrible

[craggy totem]

not as bad as unleveled Morrigan

[neon hull]

yea definitely level that up before using it

max level is chef's kiss

[red fox]

Wait until you tried lv 1 nergal

[pearl hearth]

ok- again i havent played the game a ton and havent unlocked any secret aspects or anything

[neon hull]

medea isn't a secret aspect tho

you'll need to farm nightmare in order to level it up btw

are you at the point where you can get nightmare?

[craggy totem]

I did in fact try this and I loathed it with passion

[pearl hearth]

yeah i have fear unlocked and stuff

[neon hull]

ok good

[pearl hearth]

i honestly dont think that the skull fits my playstyle idk if its just a skill issue but i like magic-buffed attacks with lots of casts- really enjoy the spear and blades

[neon hull]

that's fine. everyone has a different playstyle

[pearl hearth]

👍

[neon hull]

if you like lots of casts then i recommend circe staff

[red fox]

Tbf Medea isn't really a presentation of skull

[craggy totem]

Nahhh it is definitely skull as long as you think of the special as the key feature of skull rather than the attacks/ammo

Of the aspects, Hel is less skully than Medea no matter how you slice'n'dice it imo

(But that's fine, HAs be HAing)

[neon hull]

if i'm running skull i prefer medea cus of the burst damage

[feral lintel]

zagreus only appears when I am on high fear runs in erebus

inevitably I accept it

[neon hull]

i've seen him appear on the surface. and i was doing low fear

[balmy iris]

wow i didn't know you could make aspect of nyx unplayable if you don't have enough base magick to do the rush attack

[nova oar]

Lmaooo

[neon hull]

rip

[balmy iris]

if your omega moves cost like +10 from icarus's buff and you only have 38 mana (because hubris 2 is annoying), nyx is literally mel coat without the attack speed boosts

[neon hull]

unfortunate

[feral lintel]

nvm I manifested I finally got calling card

[atomic sedge]

For those who hate eye of typhon...

[balmy iris]

sheep morph

[atomic sedge]

Ah, can't upload video here, oh well.

[neon hull]

you can post link to video tho

[atomic sedge]

Eh that seems annoying

[balmy iris]

oh my god aspect of nyx is probably terrible with born gain if you are primed out

[atomic sedge]

It would take like a hundred times longer than it took me to melt the thing.

[neon hull]

probably

nyx seems to be a very magick heavy aspect

[atomic sedge]

I never really go for born gain, should I? I feel like Apollo/hestia/broseidon usually do the job better without the downside

[balmy iris]

i had heroic flood gain (thanks to bridal glow) and still, hubris 2 with Divinity active ate half my magick bar

[neon hull]

nah born gain isn't that good imo

[atomic sedge]

Yeah I haven't tried hubris, I guess I should with some builds but I run divinity and excellence, so... Eh

[balmy iris]

lucid gain and cardio gain are two really good magick regen boons out of rest, born gain is helpful if you aren't getting primed by other stuff

[neon hull]

ionic gain and cardio gain are my personal favorites

i use lucid gain only if i'm running circe staff

[thin laurel]

not particularly...? it doesn't really need to use magick at all in single target, and its magick needs are just 30 magick once every few seconds
glamour gain can solo sustain nyx pretty easily in my experience

[atomic sedge]

I feel like born gain would only be good if you had high max magick, and your build didn't demand a huge flow of magick for boss fights

[neon hull]

ah ok

[thin laurel]

born gain is also pretty chill for most weapons
functionally you won't ever run out of magick unless you 1) are running a build with absurdly fast magick usage, and 2) don't make an effort to invest in max magick. if you're playing most aspects you won't realistically prime out over the course of a fight, even with vow of hubris

[atomic sedge]

Ionic? Really? I hate Ionic gain, I have to manually take the magick from the font, it's so annoying

[balmy iris]

i beg to differ in p4 typhon

[neon hull]

i guess i'm one of the few people who likes it then lmao

[thin laurel]

depends what weapon you're using, and also like. just grab max magick from hermes shrines if it's surface

[neon hull]

running doggo also helps with magick

[thin laurel]

like, shiva and certain torch builds? yeah, you can prime out if you don't grab hecuba and some max magick. possessed array? will prime out almost 100% of the time lol
but for most other stuff it's almost never a concern, and if you see your magick getting low you can just grab silver wheel

[wintry wharf]

What exactly is Chaos' boon symbol? Like taking a better look at it, I realize I never really knew what I looked at, lol

[jolly hound]

So here’s how to think about born gain; it’s one enormous magic bar that grows exponentially. Assume all of this has born gain prime 20 to refill. If you have 60 magic, that nets out to 120. 100 nets out to 300. But if you have 200 magic, it nets out to 1100, more than you’ll need unless you really apply yourself at making that not the case. It being instant refill also doesn’t hurt compared to waiting for a cast to expire

[atomic sedge]

I got you

[thin laurel]

idt born gain is perfect, but if you run enough max magick it's pretty much the single smoothest magick regen boon in the game for high magick usage weapons. lucid gain is amazing but can eventually get outpaced, ionic and tranquil interrupt the flow of combat, cardio only works on certain weapons, flood gain has forced downtime... born gain just works, once it gets online

[atomic sedge]

And if you have some other source of regen, born gain can be safer, but is probably unnecessary

[balmy iris]

i wish the different phases of boss fights started a new "encounter" because yeah possessed array and born gain do not mix

[atomic sedge]

Buuut I'd rather just use something like cardio gain (on a build that can appreciate it) and literally never run out

[jolly hound]

If you’re talking about the mana refill arcana, turn it off and put on origination, born gain is plenty

[balmy iris]

i failed a run because i couldn't do anything other than spam attack and cast

[thin laurel]

yeah, p.array I think may actually be the single fastest magick usage build in the game lol, especially if you stack stuff line fine lines on top of it (which it can trigger!)
in that situation flood gain is my favorite, since yeah you have downtime but you never run out, and while flood gain is active you can use infinite magick

[jolly hound]

oh for like the mech or the knives, for sure. But for Charon axe, your five shots of omega per room are now 30. As for ionic gain, once you play the vow of revanants, it’s just more of that

[neon hull]

that actually makes a lot of sense

[atomic sedge]

I don't run it, but sometimes I take chaos keepsake

[neon hull]

what's p.array?

[thin laurel]

possessed array, skull hammer which makes you fire an Ωattack whenever you pick up a shell

[atomic sedge]

Oh yeah revanants are also annoying as hell for me.

[neon hull]

oh ok

[jolly hound]

Possessed array, a skull hammer. Shoots off an omega when you retrieve your skull but costs 25 mana. Born gain and that 1100 mana really shines here cause you can nonstop do it rather than wait for lucid or tranquil or whatever. Also worth noting in this case is Hera has fine line, which usually adds 15 to omega cast, but not from p array

[atomic sedge]

But yeah, for Charon axe, apollo gain does the job. I'd even rather Demeter than Hera or Zeus.

[red fox]

Well no amount of magick is enough for p.array anyway

[neon hull]

so born gain basically gives you infinite magick under the right conditions?

[red fox]

Cardio is my favourite for p.array

[thin laurel]

yeah, tbh if your build can make good use of cardio gain (and it's enough regen) then I'd def prefer it. the only downsides of cardio is that it only works on certain weapons + you can outpace it.
there are fringe cases tho, like Moros and Mel torches get.... weird, with cardio gain
in theory at baseline cardio gain is amazing on torches, but if you start stacking channel speed then you'll eventually cut your cardio gain regen to 50% of its initial value, and eventually it'll stop working at all. channel speed is rly rly good on torches, so I tend to avoid cardio because it makes me not click hammer upgrades and boons which would normally be amazing for my build 🤷 same with stacking stuff like fine lines, you eventually just outpace what cardio can do

[jolly hound]

Not infinite, but enough that you’ll finish the room well before you run out of mana

[atomic sedge]

I guess 30 Charon hits can take vor 4 bosses, but eh

[craggy totem]

I forget who it was, I was watching a video recently and the guy pointed out that jpom Cardio basically means two attacks = one Possessed Array proc

That's not gonna help Medea, but for like Mel skulls

[neon hull]

ah ok

[thin laurel]

on Medea cardio is even better, since every time you hit you hit twice (special + attack) and trigger cardio twice

[craggy totem]

Ohhhh wait you're right, I forgot about the special sdfghjkfghdjfghjkfghjgh

Can you TELL I'm not a skull person /lies down

[jolly hound]

That’s fine, maybe you’ll feel more comfortable with it now after this

[neon hull]

medea skull go BRRRRRRRR

[thin laurel]

also idk, for me I think born gain is tied for second place on Charon
born gain also sneakily gets some extre value out of weapons with high magick cost (as opposed to stuff like torches with constant low magick cost), since like...
let's say your omega move costs 30 magick and you have 5 magick left. you effectively get to cast that omega move for just 5 magick, then you restore to full and prime the same amount you normally would

[craggy totem]

I'm afraid it's a lot more deeply rooted than a nice chat can help haha, but perhaps someday

[jolly hound]

nah I bet you can win a Medea run at a spicy fear right now

[craggy totem]

IMO (a well set up) Flood Gain is the #1 as far as "completely disregard magick cost and tack on as many cost-increasing upgrades as you want"

[thin laurel]

and also as always jpom changes things lol
born gain actually does like levels quite a bit, you'd just not normally bother pomming it up all that much 🤷

[jolly hound]

Possessed array doesn’t charge extra for those, they will pop automatically

[thin laurel]

also I'd p much agree with this, altho with the caveat that (unless you happen to grab the heph duo), it's nice if you have at least some form of non-omega damage you can fall back on for the forced 8s downtime, once you hit zero magick for the first time in a boss fight

[balmy iris]

Not with hubris 2, things go south really quickly

[neon hull]

oh?

[thin laurel]

flood gain is rly good, and also kind of weirdly synergistic with hydraulic might imo...? if you clear rooms before you run out of magick then it has no downside at all
and it can keep up with more total magick cost than any other boon, just. with the caveat that you have no regen for 8s every once in a while

[craggy totem]

And! You! Cannot! Ever! Be! Permanently! Screwed! Hubris 2 or otherwise

Like yeah obviously if you completely prime out from Hubris, but then you're screwed no matter which gain

[thin laurel]

you can if you hit 0 magick, I think, you need enough max magick to use the omega move you're trying to- ah yes

[balmy iris]

[covert badge]

needs clap emoji between the words lol

[dawn pewter]

bro this game kinda looks like ass on switch 2

[jolly hound]

Yeah the math earlier was assuming a level 1 common born gain (20); if we say epic level 4 at 10 mana per refill the net mana is (base, 10 mana born gain, 20 mana born gain respectively
60 - 210, 120
100 - 450, 300
200 - 2100, 1050

[dawn pewter]

and doesnt feel like 60 :/

[balmy iris]

Person joins server to immediately hate on the game

[thin laurel]

the way flood gain works is:

1. if it's off cooldown, then you effectively have infinite magick for the full duration, even if you started with zero
2. when it's on cooldown, you have no regen and can only use magick you actively have
   and you can kinda cheese it, i.e. if you have 5 magick and try to use a move which costs 30 magick you'll restore to 35 lol. not usually relevant but you can do cheesy stuff w that for fun

[dawn pewter]

not hating on the game, the optimization

[thin laurel]

i.e. if you mainly use omega attacks, you can grab controlled burn, and close your flood window with an omega special to grab as much magick as possible for the 8s downtime

[dawn pewter]

also i didnt just join the serrver

[balmy iris]

You literally said “game looks like ass”, that is a derogatory statement

[dawn pewter]

so u just ignore the whole thing "on switch 2" weirdo

[red fox]

I never tried in switch 2 but if it look like ass, it gonna look like ass

[neon hull]

my torch build requires 20 magick for omega attacks and 40 for omega specials due to the boon that i picked up (fine line). idk if i'm doing something wrong, but it is what it is. i can do a lot of damage, but at the cost of a lot of magick

[craggy totem]

I wish that, as a normal-ass person, I could somehow vote to pin this comment

[dawn pewter]

no i tried on my mac and it looks much better

[balmy iris]

why’d you buy a second port for $60

[thin laurel]

torches have a higher base magick cost for Ωspecial than Ωattack, which makes sense since Ωspec lasts for a long time and Ωatk is just one hit

[dawn pewter]

well i didnt say i bought it

[red fox]

Game cost 60 on switch?

[dawn pewter]

my friend let me test it

[neon hull]

it's moros if that helps

[dawn pewter]

no 38 Cad but physical is 60 or something

[thin laurel]

doesn't change anything but it does kinda help
attack base cost = 5
special base cost = 25
you prob have fine lines which is +15 to both, for 20 and 40

[craggy totem]

There's a reason that Clean Coil is -10 magick whereas the equivalent hammer for oatk is only -1 magick, I think

[dawn pewter]

dont think u meant to reply to me

[neon hull]

i do

[jolly hound]

which means you have hera in your god pool. hmmm.

[craggy totem]

Whoops, yep, meant it for AoME

[thin laurel]

sudden burst also deceptively makes you burn magick faster lmao
going from attack-attack-Ωatk for 5 magick
to attack-Ωatk for 4 magick
means you're going from 10 magick every 6 hits to 12 magick every 6 hits
and if you add in fine lines you're going from 40 magick to 57 💀

[neon hull]

is that a bad thing?

[jolly hound]

it means you can get born gain

[balmy iris]

Born gain is hera’s magick regen

[neon hull]

ah ok

[jolly hound]

yea scroll up i just spent a bunch of time doing math to prove it's really good lol

[neon hull]

i already have ionic gain tho. i'll go for born gain next time tho

[jolly hound]

oh then you're fine

[thin laurel]

queen's ransom angle.....

[balmy iris]

Born gain isn’t bad per se, it depends on your weapon and build and vows, and if you’re using jpom born gain might be the only regen you find

[neon hull]

jpom?

[thin laurel]

a post-ending keepsake

[craggy totem]

It's a post-ending keepsake ||jeweled pom||

[balmy iris]

Post-game keepsake

[neon hull]

oof

[neon hull]

oh ok

[thin laurel]

it gives you ||+3 levels on every single boon you get during a run, even after you take it off, among other things|| so it makes a lot more total boons viable. very very good keepsake, and very fun for the meta

[jolly hound]

i pretty much always take i t

[neon hull]

that sounds awesome

[craggy totem]

It just can't be used together with Olympian-summoning keepsakes or reroll dice

[thin laurel]

it's REALLY good, and the fact that that isn't even the only effect is absurd lol

[jolly hound]

g i g a r o s

[nova oar]

I love gigaros

[thin laurel]

also it stacks with aspect of persephone, so ||you can just casually get offered a lv9 boon or whatever in room 1, it's so funny||

[nova oar]

Even nerfed gigaros

[jolly hound]

i once did this and had a level 10 sea star (75%)

[thin laurel]

hell yeahhhh

• success rate = profit

[balmy iris]

Gigaros got nerfed? Bro be too strong

[nova oar]

It no longer hitstuns

[thin laurel]

also the @craggy totem jpom classics, high surf and rapture ring
neither is rly a good source of damage at baseline, but. well. lol

[nova oar]

Ewwwww get high surf away from me

[balmy iris]

Did Hades hitstun you in the first game

[thin laurel]

when's the last time you tried it lol
cause fr, seeing like "240" pop up on my screen when a fish in oceanus tries to attack me is funny af

[balmy iris]

I don’t remember

[nova oar]

Couple days ago and I hated it

[thin laurel]

fair enough, I like it tho, and it def wins the award for "poseidon boon that pops off the most with jpom" because of how meh it is without

I still see no redemption for highly flammable tho smh 😔 I've taken it some recently and at best it feels like a bandaid solution to a bad scorch build, idk

I've come around on most other boons I dislike, tho. not all! but most

[balmy iris]

Is that the one that does more scorch on first hit?

[craggy totem]

I can't believe Hestia literally offered me Highly Flammable instead of PT multiple times in [this run](#h2-victory-boasting message)

[red fox]

Highly flammable is for some dmg on non scorch build

Its suck

[thin laurel]

on non-scorch builds it kinda makes sense ig, just more origination uptime, but even then it doesn't rly work for bosses. and like.... if a weapon is good for scorch it doesn't need highly flammable, simply just hit the enemy more

[balmy iris]

I’ve taken it a few times when I have hestia cast and want to inflict a whole bunch of scorch at once

[nova oar]

I might have to add it to my list of worst boons

[thin laurel]

do, it deserves it

it's in my bottom three easily
maybe my single least favorite...? since it isn't even fun, at least some boons which feel weak are like. amusing

[nova oar]

It doesn't do anything against bosses, and it also doesn't really do anything against normal enemies either

[thin laurel]

yeah, like if you want a hestia secondary boon for room clear simply take flash fry 🤷

it's not 100% useless, it's just like... hestia has SO many good boons

[red fox]

Well when i picked that iy probably because boon choice is sac boon controlled burn when not using ospec and highly flammable

[balmy iris]

Ok if we are talking weird boons what about mutual destruction

[jolly hound]

if you have the Zeus duo with Hestia it isn’t irrelevant but that is an edge case

[balmy iris]

Very low percent chance that activates at very low health

[red fox]

Mutual destruction scale with max hp

[jolly hound]

They’re 0 for 2 at making ares good tbh

[thin laurel]

ooooh I love mutual destruction tho, it's universal crit chance basically and scales with max hp, so you can pretty consistently get like. idk, a 20% chance or more to deal double damage

[red fox]

Often hit 20+% with succ rate for me

[thin laurel]

I don't like it for speeds since once you put white antler on it does nothing lol
but for high fear it's one of my favorite ares boons to get offered tbh

[nova oar]

I do quite like this

[nova oar]

Ares is good lmao

[balmy iris]

Cut above?

[red fox]

Cut above is one of ares good boon if you using omega

[thin laurel]

I just wish cut above wasn't as duo dependent as it is
or like. it can do okay damage without duos, but the situations where it's better than fine line really want the heph duo specifically to shine, imo. it's cheaper at least, I guess

[nova oar]

I don't really like it but one bad boon doesn't mean he's a bad god, even zeus has some bad choices

[thin laurel]

but imo the most interesting and unique thing abt cut above is that it can trigger multiple times from the same Ω move, which makes it very fun on stuff like Momus, Eos, Supay, torch specials in general, Axe Ωatk etc
but without the Heph duo it just doesn't really work as well as I'd like for that

[hearty fog]

If one bad boon makes an entire kit bad then Zeus is also bad because Power Surge exists.

[balmy iris]

I need my blades to drop NOW not slowly!

[thin laurel]

my least favorite ares boon is prob stabbing rush at the moment, tho. ik sand likes it, but I just can't get into it, I've tried, sure the damage is nice (esp with jpom) but the delay and way it targets means you don't always get that damage

[neon hull]

power surge is bad?

[nova oar]

Yes

[red fox]

Power surge aoe is super low

[thin laurel]

power surge is good in a very, very small niche
the range is tiny, and you need to use magick rapidly for it to do much, so it's good on mirrored trasher staff builds, and like......... arguably nothing else.
torch will trigger it often, but isn't close range enough for it to hit

[red fox]

Closer than glamour gain, go firgure

[thin laurel]

so on moros for instance? almost always bad, you want enemies to be at Ωspecial range, which is too far away for it to hit

[neon hull]

ok question: i just unlocked supay aspect and i wanna know if heat rush is a good rush boon to use

[craggy totem]

It's weird how huge the Light Smite range is compared to that (at least it feels that way)

[nova oar]

Yes

[neon hull]

ok

[thin laurel]

heat rush is solid! not the #1 best, but totally fine
and hestia in general is great, supay loves any combo of hestia poseidon and zeus

[neon hull]

ok

[thin laurel]

also nexus rush (hera) supay is funny lmao
falls off hard vs bosses, but is funny af

[neon hull]

i was gonna go hestia/demeter but i guess i can go hestia/poseidon instead

[thin laurel]

demeter works too, if you want freezer burn! but I'd grab hestia specials maybe, if you can

[neon hull]

what should i have as my attack boon then? cus i have hestia attack rn

[thin laurel]

oooh if hestia attack.... ideally I'd grab zeus or poseidon special, personally. maaaybe hitch
I'd prob grab demeter cast rather than her special

[neon hull]

ah ok

[thin laurel]

supay attacks and specials have abysmal base damage, so they don't rly work well with damage% boons 🤷 but gods that give those boons can still fit into the build

like, aphrodite attack/special? pretty awful. but aphrodite cast or gain + zeus attack or special, to open up their duo boon? maybe the single best supay build tbh

[neon hull]

oh ok. i'll have to try that

[scenic gust]

hmmm Demeter Gains gains benefit from Wolf Howl hex. It still counts as stay put when you are in the air

[thin laurel]

also lunar ray + armor, it recharges while lunar ray goes off if you stand still

[neon hull]

omg i really wish i was recording this, but i'm fighting hecate rn and i used night bloom to bring one of her minions back and she used her polymorph attack and right as i was about to get hit with it, the minion i summoned moves in front of me and gets turned into a sheep. i had no idea that could happen that is funny af

[craggy totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/280788714790322176/1445999189317124116/image.png?ex=69326330&is=693111b0&hm=300e77e5cce434285cfccf94da20e5725c2dfeba1e5524b0d82042dbde49c408&=&format=webp&quality=lossless why she so short

[nova oar]

Why are you so short

[craggy totem]

I'll have you know I'm the tallest living person in my family

[nova oar]

And how tall is that?

[craggy totem]

That's for me to know and you to find out

[red fox]

6 meter tall

[nova oar]

😏

[red fox]

Build like one piece character

[opal obsidian]

I went to play a few runs on my Switch and the game required an update? I already had the patch, was this something else?

[nova oar]

Improvments for the performance of the game on switch iirc

[rugged cloud]

Is there a list of boons excluded from jeweled pom?

[craggy totem]

Anything that can't be pommed, no?

[rugged cloud]

Ok, because I'm using a mod that gives new arcana cards, and one basically functions as another jeweled pom, and I had both, and ingot heph, and 2 of his boons were level 4 but heavy metal was base level, and that can be pommed

So I wanted to ask before I tell the modder that there might be a bug

[tiny timber]

can aspect of medea dash strike?

does it trigger gigaros dash?

[crude dragon]

Technically, yes, though I believe all it does is pull a pin

[tiny timber]

nice confirmed it triggers gigaros dash

wait that triggers from just dashing...

[nova oar]

Just got fig scammed in oceanus and still left at 2.50

I GOT FIG SCAMMED IN FIELDS HELLO

[cunning laurel]

never seen a back to back especially in fields

[nova oar]

Me neither

[cunning laurel]

dio knows your timer is fine

[nova oar]

It had pace to be around 6 minutes but no it's gonna be a horrific time of 7 minutes

[cunning laurel]

oh its a speedrun duh

[buoyant matrix]

yeah it's one of the cheeses you can use for it

[nova oar]

I wanted a sub 6 moros

[cunning laurel]

do we know the chance for fig to proc

[nova oar]

Didn't get scammed in tart thankfully

[buoyant matrix]

37% on eligible encounters

[craggy totem]

That's a weird number

[nova oar]

It was a 7.20 i'm going to commit crimes

[night acorn]

Any news if ll there be dlc or it ll be like h1 ?

[craggy totem]

No.

[nova oar]

No.

Still fits in my sub 7.30 goal but that was such a stupid run

[craggy totem]

Imagine being screwed over by RNG in a roguelite 😔

(I say, after having complained vociferously and at length on multiple occasions)

[nova oar]

Ikr

[cunning laurel]

definitely feels bad to have a keepsake do nothing

[nova oar]

frrrrrrr

Only reason I won was cause antler

[cunning laurel]

or echo stone actually hurting you

so rare for a good hit

[craggy totem]

Was it ever experimented with in EA for Concave Stone to let you choose the boon when it procced?

Woulda still had the random element to it and all....

[smoky scroll]

Hey what do i use for nergal

Like whats good with it athrodite?

[buoyant matrix]

hera and apollo work best

for hammer look for psychic whirlwind

[smoky scroll]

Is it a attack focused or special focused

[buoyant matrix]

I've seen people say it can pull off a special focused playstyle but pros do attack

[mental gyro]

Do u guys prefer the surface or the underworld?

[covert badge]

surface cuz ephyra is goat

[mental gyro]

Theyre both really good but i think i like the surfaces bosses more and the level design

[rotund comet]

ok, so... why am i suddenly struggling to get multiple boons?

i started trying out some new options and... bafflingly ive had runs where i have to fight the first guardian with only a magick boon

is there any knowledge of boon rng so that i can try to skew my picks to more boons or something?

[icy halo]

Ahahahahahaha, does Rivals Chronos ||really time bubble you if you stand in instakill zone but survive||??? Or did I misunderstand what happened there?

Because if so that's so funny and such respect, ||Grandpa specifically says "Screw you for bringing Artemis blades"||

[thin laurel]

I assume you're in the underworld not the surface—are you skipping midshops or midbosses in favor of other things? you're nearly guaranteed both in erebus, but the shop will only show up once, and a boss will only show up three times, so if you opt for other rewards you'll miss out on both

vow of forfeit and vow of debt also make it harder to get boons, but I assume you aren't using those

[thin laurel]

he always makes a time bubble appear around him, and in the middle of the arena, to punish people who are used to trying to damage race phase 2 in the non-rivals version
so it's not tied to surviving the instakill
I think if you successfully damage race him he also responds in... some specific way I'm less familiar with. but. 🤷

[rotund comet]

on one hand im trying to avoid certain gods that dont help my gameplan, on the other... moon, necter, hermes, and then a buncha bones and ashes

[thin laurel]

are you running rerolls?

[rotund comet]

cant, with the setup im trying out

[hearty idol]

how do i get incantation for re-rolling run?

[thin laurel]

are you running post-ending keepsakes?
I will say that, if you aren't running rerolls, then saying no to a boon when you're offered one is definitely part of why you aren't getting as many boons. when I don't run rerolls I just kind of accept that I don't have as much control over my god pool, and being picky means I don't get my build online at all.
you should have ~3 boons minimum if you take the miniboss and midshop, and I'd recommend doing both (or only saying no to 2 total miniboss doors otherwise you'll miss out forever)

[thin laurel]

have you finished the epilogue involving the ||prophecy about the fates||?

[hearty idol]

oh not yet, guess i need to clear that first yea?

[nova oar]

ye

[oblique hemlock]

on my latest run i no-hit chronos on 12 fear using than axe without a gain boon for the whole run
its kinda silly but i’m proud of myself lol

[nova oar]

Hell yeah

[icy halo]

Still very funny and respect

[rotund comet]

yeah, im doing postgame keepsakes and the judgement tarot. id take a midshop over the boon drought im expericing

[nova oar]

Not judgement 😭

[rotund comet]

i keep getting dresses a lot

[thin laurel]

ooh postgame keepsakes and judgement is a lot. ngl I kinda hate running judgement, altho ik some people enjoy it
if you're doing fate's whim then I'd almost never say no to a boon in Erebus, that's kind of the way fate's whim works tbh

(and you will def have more consistent results with a non-judgement build, but that's up to you)

[rotund comet]

i also might just suck at using metea's aspect

[thin laurel]

also erebus just kinda sucks for boons, tho.
I'm doing 62s right now and in that context it's pretty common to leave Erebus with almost nothing, since the vows of forfeit and debt both suck 🙃
but without those vows on you should be able to get more boons than you are

[rotund comet]

im doing 8s

i just decided if im doing judgement, who needs all that psyche

[long urchin]

Question: what attack and special boons are good for Descura? It’s my least used weapon so I want to make better use of it but not sure what would work best.

[thin laurel]

then yeah, just don't skip boons when you're offered them (medea is very flexible!), take midshop whenever it shows up (it's VERY rare to not be offered it in erebus), and if you're struggling then try a non-judgement build, since judgement makes the first region especially hard

[thin laurel]

which aspect? just the basic/Mel one?

[icy halo]

By the power of //post-ending ||Dadpom|| I have FINALLY had a good Heph run!!!! And it was such fun!!!!!

[nova oar]

Why would you use that name 😭

Attack go blitz special go hitch

[icy halo]

....Descura? ......The name of the staff?????

This seems pretty reasonable to me tbh!

[nova oar]

It took me a hot second to realise thats what they meant

[thin laurel]

hm, I guess judgemnet also means you potentially won't have enough gold to buy a boon in the midshop even without debt. I hate judgement 😭 didn't even think abt that smh
I run it so rarely I forget the specifics lol

[atomic folio]

for a seond i thought they meant an aspect that i forgot the name of

[rotund comet]

im tempted to just like, self ko when the first boon is not a main god

[thin laurel]

I mean, medea has crazy strong boonless damage, at 8 fear you can def make it through a few rooms without a boon

[rotund comet]

ik, but like,

ive also been getting necter 3 times in a row

[long urchin]

That one and momus. I don’t like the Circe one and haven’t unlocked the hidden one yet.

[rotund comet]

my necter rng is going bonkers

[merry whale]

tru circe aspect kinda ass

[nova oar]

Circe is really good you should try it again

[atomic folio]

Whaaat

[nova oar]

Still salty about the 67 loss?

[merry whale]

nah i just have more fun w the other aspects now

[rotund comet]

its getting kinda annoying getting a meh hammer option and then necter ya know?

[merry whale]

circe's fun but god it's kinda boring LOL

[nova oar]

Circe my beloved

[long urchin]

Uh… because that is its name? 😅