h2-discussion

[thin laurel]

also makes a lot more boons viable
turns out getting every single boon offered at lv4 from the start makes a ton of stuff great lol

[craggy totem]

I can't believe my girls Arachne and Circe got voted lower than Dio "Reckless Abandon lolol" nysus

[thin laurel]

my main piece of advice: accept that you won’t be able to keep the Queen active

[craggy totem]

Dio "wdym you took my fig leaf with you I'm too busy partying to help you on your run" nysus

[feral lintel]

Sad

[fluid kernel]

Sea star with jpom is genuinely so fun

[foggy sable]

honestly share my opinions of dio with the protagonists

[feral lintel]

I'm so surprised to see that coat is the lowest voted weapon overall wtf!!!

[foggy sable]

love him in hades 1, very conflicted in hades 2

honestly, it should have been a situation of being able to vote for multiple things, like up to 3 or smth

hades is too big of a game to pick one favorite of almost anything

[feral lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/858185424505536522/1444550028030120007/IMG_2191.png?ex=692d1d8d&is=692bcc0d&hm=f7e8c64eae1328f2a1e78b423c9bf8a924b0b47293e4c4e026a4e1b9bc0fd03a& 🤔

[thin laurel]

I wonder how many votes skull would have if medea didn’t exist lol

[craggy totem]

Absolute blasphemy. But it's okay, I know how to live under persecution 😔

[foggy sable]

persephone exists, high level funny

[craggy totem]

Yeah, mom got a lot of votes in the aspect poll

[feral lintel]

I wasn't a skull fan until hel came out

I mean medea's really good but it's not my thing

[foggy sable]

personally dont like things just because good tbh

[devout cairn]

that's crazy because it implies a significant amount of people understood what Sprouted does

[feral lintel]

I don't like persephone skull

[foggy sable]

sprouted didn't make much sense to me until I used it in an actual run

[thin laurel]

I think medea appeals partly just because it feels so fast and mobile. cause yeah it’s op, but it’s also very zoom-y, medea players tend to like it a LOT from a gameplay feel POV

[feral lintel]

It's the only weapon I haven't beat chronos or typhon with

[foggy sable]

but the fated list

[feral lintel]

I am trying

I will do it eventually. It can't be that hard, especially on 0f.

[thin laurel]

if you play Mel skull well you can prob make mom skull work
or just do a blast build 👀 heph blasts can always carry an aspect you’re bad at

[foggy sable]

persephone is very boon dependent

[feral lintel]

Mel skull is actually underrated

I like how the special brings it back to you

[thin laurel]

mel skull is great, I like it a lot tbh

[thin laurel]

I mean that’s true of all non-Hel skulls
but also yes Mel skull is underrated

[feral lintel]

It's a big explosive cannon

[feral lintel]

Oh I didn't know this... 😔 😭

Well I guess it's a little less special but I guess the extra power per spent shell makes it more satisfying to spam and then recollect

[thin laurel]

it’ll probably make mom skull feel better to play lol
mom skull generally wants different boons than Mel skull, but you can play them very similarly if you want to!

you can also play mom skull in other ways, but still 🤷 it and Mel skull are by far the most similar skulls imo in terms of how they work

[feral lintel]

might just ignore the mom skull gimmick

[dusk marsh]

dude cronus fight is tough!

[thin laurel]

you can tbh, no need to play around omega special.
you can still abuse the +level bonus, and the fact that it can take wide grin without being punished (unlike Mel skull)
and then just treat omega special as an emergency safety option since you’re invulnerable during it

[feral lintel]

Kinda like shield from hades 1 (which I also don't like)

[thin laurel]

heph blasts can also be great just because they love levels so much. jeweled pom + mom skull means you have a small chance to be offered a lv10 boon lmaooo

[feral lintel]

🤔 damn I need to try it but my jeweled pom is not leveled up

[thin laurel]

the bonus from jeweled pom lasts the entire run even if you take it off (unless you break fate’s whim by taking a keepsake from one of the 9 core gods or athena), and since it’s so good I’d prob just start taking it region 1 to rank it up 🤷
even at the starting rank, +1 level on every boon for the whole run is rly nice

[hearty timber]

Yes

The chance is higher than you would think

[thin laurel]

the change of getting min cooldown offered is fairly high tbh
I think getting actual level 10 boons is… <2%? but idr the exact number

[foggy sable]

I GOT THE CRIT PLUS ARES CRIT :D

2.6k damage in 1 hit, not the most ever but still

got the guaranteed crit from wolf howl, its fun

[merry wave]

I was thinking of this: I get the idea that poms generally become less useful as the run goes on since the percentage increases become smaller and smaller… except for Heph bonk where the DPS increase per level becomes higher and higher until it goes down to 2s and levels become literally useless

[lilac palm]

aspect of artemis is defs my favorite weapon in the entire game lol

[empty bridge]

Does someone know whether Hades thought well of Ares or not from these games?

[lilac palm]

question
for the boon “Success Rate” from Hermes
it says your chance based effects are more likely to occur
does this include critical damage chance?

[empty bridge]

yes, literally anything thats not dodge or daze

[lilac palm]

isn’t this kinda broken for a crit build then???

[empty bridge]

Not really. Its multiplicative not additive

[merry wave]

The percentage doesn’t add, it multiplies

[lilac palm]

pls elaborate

[empty bridge]

pressure points 4% blue chance doesnt become 34% on common success rate

[foggy sable]

I just got jabbed to death :|

[empty bridge]

New chance = base chance x (1+success rate %)

[foggy sable]

I had that fight too, I just took a mild amount of damage taken thinking "hey, this wont kill me"

it killed me

its bound to happen but im still annoyed

[lilac palm]

i’m still a little confused ngl im sorry
im used to like wuthering waves where like
you add all your crit chances together and you just have it
so if you have 100% you just have 100%

[empty bridge]

so 0.04 + (1 + .30) = 5.2% new crit rate chance. For anything that has a 20% becomes 26% with a common success rate boon

[tender oracle]

what do y'all think are the aspects with the most and least impactful upgrades (i.e. the difference between lv1 and lv5)

[plucky ferry]

losing my mind, literally have gotten 4-5 Poseidon boons in a ROW 😭

[empty bridge]

One's that are good right out of the gate. Like circe or medea skull

[thin laurel]

it multiplies your current crit chance. so in really simple terms
let’s say you have 10% crit rate
+30% of that 10% would get you to 13% crit rate

[icy halo]

nergal is completely unusable at rank 1

selene is pretty ass

[empty bridge]

Nergal is probably the worst one by far at low levels

[thin laurel]

success rate with crits is still really good, and it’s REALLY good with stuff like white antler and mutual destruction where you can get a much higher starting amount of crit

[empty bridge]

Success rate is best to get rich with uncle Pos

[thin laurel]

also amazing with double strike from zeus

[empty bridge]

and i just got success rate

[thin laurel]

oh also it’s funny af with shocking loss

ares might have the most total boons it affects, come to think of it 🤔

three plasma generation boons, mutual, grievous, arterial spray, carnal pleasure…. uhhh is that all?

[empty bridge]

Ares requiring the god of swiftness to be good

[dusk marsh]

man got to cronus second phase for first time...

Think I got it this next run

[thin laurel]

it’s a hard fight!! def took me multiple tries to get down when I was first playing.
next time you’ve got it, I believe 😤

[lilac palm]

thank you!

[lilac palm]

isn’t that good?

[lilac palm]

thanks:)

[plucky ferry]

not in this case, not a huge fan of most of his boons

and it was getting in the way of Other Things I would’ve preferred, but it worked out

[lilac palm]

question
when you get to a far enough point in the game do you just win every battle no problem

[buoyant matrix]

if you don't use any fear then yeah

[lilac palm]

does angone have any tips for ||prometheus||
god he’s so annoying im about to lose my mind fighting him

[thin laurel]

is there a specific part of the fight which is the hardest for you? i.e. the memory game, specific attacks he does, etc?

also he's pre-ending content so you can feel free to talk about him without spoiler tags on this channel 👍

[buoyant matrix]

https://youtu.be/iDfSTMw9qsI?si=v9ElyKyY7MCf2_6y

watch this and you can consistently no hit him in casual runs

[lilac palm]

oh okay cool

and i hate his pet bird and his memory game yea
the first one i can get but the next is like

[buoyant matrix]

when the bird is on screen focus entirely on running away
for memory game say outloud where the safe zones are it helps you memorize them better

[broken creek]

The memory game gets more simple as you play! My first tip is just stand in the first clear zone so you only have to remember one less, make a mental or verbal note of where the next safe spaces are, and if you forget you can learn the dash timing to just iframe it since they all come out in a rhythm

[thin laurel]

my two main tips for the memory game are

1. don't try to memorize the full pattern, just pick one safe zone to remember for each attack (so you're remembering 3 or 5 things total, instead of up to 10 danger zones)
2. saying the safe zones out loud or even mouthing the words can help with short term memory. i.e "top, mid, bot, mid, top" or "1, 2, 3, 2, 1"

[broken creek]

When he has sequences with 2 same spaces in a row it also gets really easy to condense and remember, i.e. ive had times where its the same 2 spaces for 4 of his flames lol

So I only had to actually remember 3 positions

[lilac palm]

so there’s no way to stop him from doing this 🥲

i will try i suppose

[broken creek]

Nope! Its forces every 1/3 of his health, but again it gets easier the more you play

[thin laurel]

with practice it generally ends up being the easiest one of his attacks to dodge

[buoyant matrix]

if you ever become desperate, you can pause the game and write down the safe zones

[thin laurel]

if you're REALLY struggling with it ik some people literally pause the game and write down the pattern but...... that seems rly overkill to me ngl, it's just remembering 3 and 5 things

[lilac palm]

another thing
one of my main issues is i feel like i build up so much health
but by the time i get to the final guardian, i can have like: only half of it or even less
for example when i just fought him my max health was like 250 but i only had 100 for the fight from all the injuries i had got before
how can i circumvent this

[lilac palm]

lol that would really make me like chronos

[broken creek]

Thats really just a skill diff icl, get more comfortable with enemy layouts and your weapon, get more used to enemy movesets, also are you using death defies??

Id recommend death over strength to anyone struggling or getting used to things since dds are more fundamentally forgiving

[tender oracle]

run wayward son if you're not already
get better at dealing with regular enemies. do not rush and keep casting

[lilac palm]

yea i use one from my arcana

[thin laurel]

it's also helpful to take boons which give you free hits every encounter—trusty shield and security system from hephaestus, snow queen from demeter, nitro boost from hermes
those stop you from taking a lot of chip damage overall

[broken creek]

Gale helps with that too

And lovers off the arcana tables if bosses are the main issue(its an arcana you should never take off tbh)

What weapon are you focusing too?? Sometimes it might be damage rotation issue too if enemies are living longer than they should

[craggy totem]

Has anyone mentioned dash iframes yet, for the memorization haters who inexplicably have very good timing

[tender oracle]

absolutely be dashing

[thin laurel]

ooh that is a good point. also always be casting, ABC™

[lilac palm]

i use dash iframes lol

[broken creek]

I assumed that was obvious 😭

[lilac palm]

and casting
uh i think my favorite weapon as to be the knives
i’ve been using the aspect of artemis

[thin laurel]

ngl I didn't know what an i-frame was when I played hades 1 lmao. it's been a productive few years of gaming

[tender oracle]

ABD (always be dashing)

[broken creek]

Someone correct me but cant Artemis parry the flames??

[craggy totem]

Me taking Stutter Step from the room 1 Hermes offer

[tender oracle]

i think so

[buoyant matrix]

correct

[broken creek]

Yeah so you dont even have to memorize anything lmao

[tender oracle]

take advantage of the parry but keep a close eye on when you're even able to parry

[tender oracle]

wouldn't it only block one row tho

[broken creek]

Depends on time frames ig, even then thats one less to memorize

[tender oracle]

anyway i find that the blades in general are one of if not the riskiest weapon in the game so it makes sense you're taking lots of damage with them

[craggy totem]

Skulls repositioning you feels riskier to me, but I am admittedly Bad At Skulls

[astral birch]

I expected parry to be stronger, but its cooldown makes it kinda meh

[broken creek]

Mhm they're a bit rougher to get used to, really wanting on hit boons, no real CC, and the only projectile being kinda whatever

Although I also only play morrigan for knives so like im not the best person to talk abt Artemis

Tk is a wonderful wonderful hammer though I love trick knives

[crude dragon]

It's also not instant, which makes it feel even worse

Trick Knives might as well be its own aspect with how much it changes the way you play knives

[foggy sable]

so I lost with nergal, and the coat now has grave thirst

I've only won with Mel, and Shiva is only rank 2 (im used to blue being the third rarity, oops) rn, so im gonna save that one

[craggy totem]

Selene is pretty straightforward, Nyx is a wee bit more razzmatazz

[foggy sable]

nyx is funny, but selene is the easier one for now

im trying to win a surface run of 10 fear with every aspect (that hasn't already gotten 10 or better)

Im doing the same with the underworld

[craggy totem]

Long road ahead, huh? Godspeed

[foggy sable]

yep, I intend to improve slowly but surely with everything instead of going all in on one

how well does cut above work with omega special? my guess would be that its good for clearing out groups moreso then damaging bosses (not to say thats a bad trait)

[craggy totem]

Cut Above's delay can make it a bit unreliable in encounters with mobile enemies

But for Selene specifically, stacking boons that increase magick price of your omega moves is helpful anyway if you are trying to charge hex

[foggy sable]

to be fair, im halfway wanting it specifically so I can eat magik faster for the hex, yea like you said lol

does the moon beam kill fates whim?

[thin laurel]

nope! since Selene is a titan, not a god

[craggy totem]

She's not an Olympian

[thin laurel]

only the 9 core cods + athena kill FW
hermes, artemis, and dio are olympians, but their keepsakes don't summon them

[foggy sable]

yea I thought that the problem was manipulating fate lol

[craggy totem]

Nup, it's defined v specifically in the tooltip

[foggy sable]

thankfully

[craggy totem]

Artificer doesn't break FW for example, doesn't use reroll dice

[foggy sable]

im not sure im a fan of artificer for whatever reason lol

ICARUS YOU SPOIL ME

explosive intent on the coat sounds fun

[foggy sable]

im using so many magik

[fair stone]

I was at the Charon shop just before making out with Typhon.
I ran past Hermes to check if there were any gold vases first. But when I came back, Hermes was just gone gone 😭
Did I just piss him off or what...
I haven't spoken to him yet or purchased anything though

[thin laurel]

if hermes doesn't have unique dialogue he just pops in then disappears

[fair stone]

I c I c thank you so muji, Malkin

[sharp brook]

I have 9 more achievements to go boys

[lean dove]

is the mixer the same thing as the resources director from the first game? i wanna max out everything else first before doing a grind like that so i just wanna make sure

[lean dove]

i think sometimes he drops in just to say hi and then leaves

[sharp brook]

yes he is, it's the same guy actually or at least a relative (Head canon)

[lean dove]

lol thanks

does it take as long as the resources director did?

[sharp brook]

give him Kudos and some resources like feathers, salts, Stardust, nightmare, everything of the sort to get your rank up

and it's FAR easier

[lean dove]

yeah i already understood that

[nova oar]

Nah it doesn't take too long

[sharp brook]

tbh it's easier to do it than in Hades 1

[nova oar]

It is yeah, much less grindy

[sharp brook]

I'm almost done with my own thing in post game, just have a few prophecies to go

Still don't know how to get Chaos's trial stuff tho

Is it unlocked AFTER everything is finished in the pitch black stone?

[lean dove]

yeah i never even finished it in H1

i think all i had left was the resources director and some cosmetic things in the house. if not then it was just the resources.

[sharp brook]

It never ends iirc

[lean dove]

nah theres a max rank, i saw it on the wiki

it just takes foreverrrrr

[sharp brook]

never pursued it, and can't exactly do it now, too used to the magick system lol

but tbh the skills in both games transfer over to each game seemingly

It's how I was able to defeat Hecate in my first ever night when I first started

[lean dove]

i think it took me 5-10 nights to beat hecate

i didnt play H2 until release

[thin laurel]

WAIT NOOOO 😭 I just left the room after getting a DD from narcissus only to hear sea star duplicate it....
absolutely tragic, I needed that

[broken creek]

I hate playing with sea star when my muscle memory kicks in

The amount of times ive gotten a room reward, dashed away, then realized sea star happened and lost a few seconds pains me

[neon turtle]

If I want to save scum, must I quit from the pause screen first?

[thin laurel]

afaik the game makes it rather difficult to save scum without mods 🤷
usually your only options are to give up and reset the run, or to quit after the game has just saved so you can't undo progress. forcefully quitting the game tends to reset the night too

ik if you drink from a fountain post-boss and realize you wanted to use aromatic phial you can quit and load and it'll put you back at the start of the room before you drank from the fountain, but you can't (for instance) quit and reload after equipping a new keepsake if it didn't roll you the upgrade you wanted

[neon turtle]

I think quitting and making a copy of Saved Games might work, but it hasn't been consistent

[neon turtle]

Why isn't my Hex refreshing after moving to a new location?

[elfin heron]

what do you mean by "refreshing"?

[neon turtle]

I had 3 uses of it

To be able to press RT and heal 15 every time I use that mch hex

[broken creek]

oh moon water refreshes per fountain not per room

so between region rooms, and mid area fountain rooms will be all the refreshes of it you get, still its super strong though especially if you build a bit into it

[neon turtle]

Thanks

[elfin heron]

moon water, the money cheatcode, nice stuff

[hearty fog]

Always look for Conservation with Moon Water, that lets you really stack up your heals.

[storm glen]

YES

you know what is a good transistor callback chaos' general aesthetic

[pale pier]

I slept with my brand new Frinos plushie last night chat. (I am a 20 year old grown man) 😎

[fickle drum]

How'd I do this time? #h2-victory-boasting message

[broken creek]

511 damage from chaos 😭 a win is a win though great job

[fickle drum]

Oh no that one was on purpose.

[broken creek]

also concave stone at the end is interesting, are ya trying to level it??

[fickle drum]

I was undecided on what to pick for the final floor, settled on that one just to rank it up.

I was certain I didn't need anything defensive.

[broken creek]

fair! my normal final region choices lean to pin if im doing dds, antler if im feeling bold or its low fear, lions fang if you wanna stay comfy but still get damage

[fickle drum]

Basically I picked up a chaos boon right before fighting Chronos.

[broken creek]

sometimes tooth if i really need the comfort

[fickle drum]

Finish 2 encounters in time or take 500 damage. I ended up taking the 500 damage, but it got me the boon anyway.

[broken creek]

what even was the boon lol

[fickle drum]

Oh just a speed boost.

One defiance I lost stupidly face tanking the 999 hit attack

[broken creek]

sometimes i do that if im bored and just wanna damage him throughout the whole thing

[fickle drum]

I was just stupid and got out of the safe zone too early

[broken creek]

plus if you get him to half before it starts it cancels, you can also iframe it too so you can just ignore it if you have the timing down

[fickle drum]

Either way, zeus flourish and hestia attack seems like it works pretty well

For torches

Although it seems Cerberus is immune to scorch

Yet another run without seeing Clanger.

This is frustrating.

[neon turtle]

What’s the doors that has symbols going from V to I?

[tranquil wren]

it's telling you how many rooms are left
if you take a non-roman numeral door, then the count will remain the same

however, taking a non-roman numeral door increases the enemy wave count in the next rooms

[neon turtle]

Oh ok so I take non-Roman numeral if I’m desperate for upgrades

[tranquil wren]

yeah, or to visit the NPC

[storm glen]

no

[woeful latch]

Having an issue getting my last achivement ||voice abnd vanity||, I've talked to ||Echo and Narcissus|| at least 20 times each, and they just seem to be giving me the same stock dialogue. I even tried not visiting ||Narcissus|| on my way down and just talking to ||Echo|| as I heard he spawns with her if you do that. No luck. Is there some special requirement I'm not meeting? Is it bugged?

[tranquil wren]

what are your hearts like with both echo and narcissus?

[woeful latch]

Locked 🔒 :/

[fickle drum]

It seemed that way. Not sure what was happening then.

[floral quest]

What is recognised as a meta build? I usually go calling card, gold purse, ghost onion, Luckier tooth

Also don't think my arcana is too optimised but that is a story for later :D

[tranquil wren]

jpom start is much better than calling card

[nova oar]

Meta is Jpom, Chrolex, onion/droplet/gorgon/whatever, antler/pin

[floral quest]

Hmm guess that's arguable. You could take calling card, not spend it and then pom

[nova oar]

Very much not arguable

[tranquil wren]

? take jpom first then calling card, if you really want the rarity boosts

[nova oar]

You need the jpom levels on starting boons, it's better than rarity

[floral quest]

I see :)

[tranquil wren]

why would you not spend calling card anyway
that's just a wasted region

[storm glen]

I carded to this

[fickle drum]

#h2-victory-boasting message That was also the last legendary I needed to complete the prophecy.

[floral quest]

Eh whatevs. I am in low fear anyways.

[fickle drum]

I'm kinda proud'ish of how this one ended up turning out because it didn't have the strongest start.

I'm also not sure what I did, but the omega special took no time at all to charge

[storm glen]

plasma

[fickle drum]

It adds to channel speed too?

[nova oar]

Yeah

[storm glen]

i believe so

[fickle drum]

Coz it just says move speed and strike speed

[storm glen]

it might not be the same scaling as other channel speed sources

[nova oar]

Or it was a Hermes boon

[fickle drum]

Nah, my hermes boons were both money

[floral quest]

any tips on nightmare farming? And what aspects to unlock first?

[fickle drum]

I did have sudden lfurry rank 2

[nova oar]

Just keep doing runs

[fickle drum]

For nightmare I just do oath runs and use obol points.

[nova oar]

Best aspect to unlock for each weapon is circe for staff, none of them for blades do that last, moros for torches, charon for axe, medea for skull, and nyx for coat

[fickle drum]

And I really recommend just unlocking aspects that seem cool.

[real scarab]

you can sometimes find free nightmare on 12+ fear runs

[nova oar]

Or you can do this too

[nova oar]

Is that not a lategame incantation

[fair stone]

With the incantation of the Greatest Gift of Gaia, does that mean I can skip collecting the resources myself or with my familiar every time?

[nova oar]

Yep, it'll even fish for you

[fickle drum]

I think you just gather anything when you exit the room.

[tranquil wren]

except the 12F+ stuff, sadly lol

[fickle drum]

I assume it gathers psyche and triggers boons too.

[fair stone]

Okay, I just want to make sure it does.....cuz there's no way back 😂

[fickle drum]

I don't even have the incantation that gives free stuff at high fear lol

[nova oar]

Wdym triggers boons

[fickle drum]

Boons that trigger when you gather resources.

[nova oar]

Oh it does trigger those yes

[fair stone]

I know what u mean now, like the grandma one

[nova oar]

And it gathers the elements as well

[fair stone]

Cool cool thank you all three, being helpful
Thanks

[fickle drum]

lol

I am in fact so fast with plasma that sprinting doesn't add much

[lilac palm]

looks like i’ve gotten strong enough to somewhat consistently beat chronos… nice

[nova oar]

Plasma would be so much better if it didn't require a legendary to be good

[fickle drum]

Also, Total Eclipse makes Typhon so free rofl, especially if you have a magick spam build.

Eh, I understand that it's not that good without it. But it made this particular run very fun.

[nova oar]

I remember the days when ares was a good god

[fickle drum]

I think he's fun. But it is more convoluted to make him really go, I can see that.

[nova oar]

He is still my favourite you just gotta have a good god pool otherwise he won't do much otherwise

[fickle drum]

Using the prophecy as a guide for what boons to go for makes some really fun runs.

[nova oar]

Blood spree has saved my ass many a run

[real scarab]

these are the requirements. Faced Chronos and Typhon at least once each

Clear a run of either The Surface or The Underworld with 8 or more

[fickle drum]

I had the thingy from Dio that hid how much life I had.

[nova oar]

I hated doing that lmao

[nova oar]

Oh so baby steps

[fickle drum]

I did see the healing tics though, so I must have been low on hp a few times.

[nova oar]

Worry free, ironic

[fickle drum]

Ironic?

[nova oar]

The name of that Dio boon is Worry free

[fickle drum]

Oh, and it makes you extra paranoid

[nova oar]

Not being able to see your hp makes people worry more, exactly

[fickle drum]

Actually, this time I decided not to worry about it. So long as I still had defiances I would be fine.

And like, instead of "Oh no my hp is low I gotta dodge more" it's more like "Idk what I have so lets just dodge all the time"

[nova oar]

True that, it's a much bigger problem with strength

[fickle drum]

So it didn't affect me too much.

[nova oar]

Anubis is the best weapon for surface in my humble opinion

[scarlet dune]

I only need the "chant" boon for my list of prophecies, does anyone know if there is a chaos trial that gives it?

[nova oar]

You need a duo first iirc

[scarlet dune]

its so hard to get on a normal run

[nova oar]

No trials give it

[scarlet dune]

ah unlucky :/

im 120 hrs in got everything in the game except this one achievement

[fickle drum]

And yet another run without getting enemies with Clanger.

[nova oar]

I swear I get one every run they're so annoying

[fickle drum]

What does it do?

[nova oar]

Makes one enemy invincible until you've cleared the rest

[weary moon]

i was doing that randomized chaos trial and i was given the artemis keepsake RIGHT before chronos

health got capped to 30

[nova oar]

Lucky, never happens to me and I wish it would

[weary moon]

oop

[weary moon]

it was not a fun time that much i can say

i got halfway into 2nd phase though

[nova oar]

Not bad

[weary moon]

mightve torn my leg hair off if i had VOR on

[nova oar]

I almost always take antler last region so I can phase skip

[weary moon]

but if anything
this was a good reminder that i should probably level up my other keepsakes

[nova oar]

Have you unlocked the faster leveling incantation

[weary moon]

i havent
i think?

i forgot to keep track of my progress

[grave gorge]

Reroll your first chaos gate until you get offered the one that gives you +1 of each element

Then hopefully you have rerolls for chaos gate #2 to get Chant

That's what I did

I had to reset a couple of runs to get it done, lol

[merry wave]

Is there any way at all to have Heroic chaos boons?

[nova oar]

Yes

[fair stone]

I left one encounter without picking up the HP recovery Hecuba found...and my HP remains the same ... 😭

[wintry wharf]

I got a Myth question, so, is The Morrigan a title more than a person? Does it get passed around?

[broken creek]

uhhh wikipedia says shes an irish war goddess

and is like a trio?? hence the blood triad thingy we can do

yeah sometimes its 3 different beings sometimes its all the same name for one being, either way its an irish war goddess

[wintry wharf]

Aaah cool

.... Wait so, are the Secret Aspects a secret hint?

[broken creek]

wdym

[wintry wharf]

(Epilogue spoiler) ||The Triple Bodied (Morrigan), the Shadow (Supay) from the afterlife (Hel), accidentally Destroys (Shiva) her world due to her rage (Nergal) and now Watches over the crossroads where multiple dead reside (Anubis)||

[split shuttle]

what no that wouldnt make no damn sense

[wintry wharf]

Hahahaha lmao

Just found funny to make up a subliminal message

[rustic spire]

Stretching the headcanon there lol

[wintry wharf]

Yes

[devout cairn]

charlie in that one It's always sunny episode:

[wintry wharf]

||But hey, gotta admit that having a triple bodied goddess aspect in the same game as Hecate is something 😉||

[rustic spire]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-always-sunny-gif-26054360

[fickle drum]

#h2-victory-boasting message Any feedback? I've been hearing some good stuff lately.

[tranquil wren]

looks good

thermal dynamics is always fun

[valid zephyr]

can you get narcissus in chaos trials

[tender oracle]

no

[nova oar]

No npcs in chaos trials

[dense lintel]

Is there a speedrun mode where it counts your time overall, not just the in-game stopwatch?

[buoyant matrix]

speedrun.com counts rta too, the leaderboard is just organized by igt as default

[foggy sable]

I cant play hades 2 because another game is downloading and hades 2 uses internet for the sole purpose of transferring saves between devices

[pallid cradle]

You could also run categories that are multiple weapons or aspects. Those are all judged by RTA

[shadow lake]

Is there anything specific I have to do to trigger unfinished business?? I already completed the prophecy where I have to bring the knuckle bones to Polyphemus. I have brought the knuckle bones a few times to Circe as well and she spoke of him. I have brought them to Scylla but she hasn't mentioned him at all. He was at the taverna one time drinking and I talked to him but the prophecy did not unlock. What am I missing??

[pallid cradle]

I put a Charon card up on the Steam trading card thing and it sold within 3 seconds... Charon is popular I see.

[tranquil wren]

someone might've used the "buy all" feature
it's what I did to max rank my hades 1 steam badge (I had 4 pounds left over from a gift card and it used like 3 total)

[pallid cradle]

That's fair.

I mean Charon has the most meaningful dialogue in the game and the best axe aspect so his popularity is warranted.

[minor eagle]

This game is so peak

[tranquil wren]

true!

[pallid cradle]

Every single Charon line hits. Makes you reconsider life.

[minor eagle]

He's truly an inspiration to us all

[pallid cradle]

The fact his voice actor hasn't won an Oscar is a travesty

[fickle drum]

Not as godlike as Charybdis' singing voice.

[pallid cradle]

We don't speak of Charybdis in this house

[fickle drum]

Why not?

[minor eagle]

No clue

[pallid cradle]

Terrible boss

[minor eagle]

True

[slow ledge]

one of these days hades 2 will release on ps5

[wintry wharf]

Why doesn't Melinoe just stab Charydbis with Gigaros? Seriously, nothing would be lost, everyone would appreciate it

[hearty timber]

Non rivals charybdis isn't that hard tbh

[wintry wharf]

Heck nah, still consistently the miniboss that most damage does to me just due to the horrible bullet barrage

[sleek oar]

Naah just talk to oddyseus after every run and gift more if you can

You might have some priority dialogue and thats why its not triggering

[sleek oar]

Charydbdis worst miniboss 😔

[broken creek]

Yall havent fought a frenzy2 shadow mechadracon and it shows 😔

[tranquil wren]

ooh I have, I have!

[broken creek]

That and the erebus assassin are my 2 biggest opps

[tranquil wren]

I still hate the yargonaut the most

[broken creek]

Honestly every erebus miniboss that isnt the tree are my opps

[broken creek]

He has so much armor to compensate charybdis being the other its so dumb 😭

[minor eagle]

Whats the mechadracon again

[broken creek]

Olympus big dragon miniboss room

Pisses me off on frenzy2 and shadow

[real scarab]

just do this https://imgur.com/a/hades-2-charybdis-bullet-avoidance-Fx2slmC

[tranquil wren]

imgur link 🥀

[real scarab]

not my vid

[hearty timber]

If you don't have armor shred the runs over luv

[broken creek]

Im sorry I cant get melting swipe every run 😔

[minor eagle]

Oh that guy

[hearty timber]

The assassin in erebus keeps going invisible so annoying

[real scarab]

embeds work in builds and combat channel, but not this one, weird

[broken creek]

I also hate how bro has no armor and just decides to act like he does

[craggy totem]

Not that weird, the moderation on the bigger chat is stricter

[broken creek]

Or like the oceanus trident guys, their backhop having super armor and being spammable is insane to me

[hearty timber]

Ifkrrrr

[minor eagle]

Medea give me the last curse i need for the prophecy challenge (impossible)

[broken creek]

Like my bad you can just decide to hit me for 20 damage bro my mistake for coming near you

[craggy totem]

Just checking, have you been running with DDs?

[minor eagle]

No

Strength build every time

[woeful latch]

What determines which god will be chosen for the godsent favor from the path of stars? I just need ares and I cant figure it out

[wintry wharf]

YO THANKS

[craggy totem]

You need to be running with DDs in order to get that curse

[minor eagle]

Its a seperate god for each hex

[wintry wharf]

Fixed, if you have Poseidon, Moon Water will always have Godsent option for example

[craggy totem]

Every hex has a specific god associated with it. Ares godsends the Aspect of Selene hex.

[minor eagle]

Gotcha

[hearty timber]

Me on scars 3 pain 3 casually eating 30 damage from trident guys while gale is on cooldown after blocking 4 damage from the fish

[craggy totem]

A bunch of the NPC offerings are tied to DDs, annoyingly. I just gave up on it because I hated running DDs.

[broken creek]

Or when gale decides to not do their damn job cuz I got hit by an armored fangs wailer(big + vacuume) 3 seconds into a room instead of 4

[hearty timber]

Armored fangs wailer just gave me hella PTSD

[broken creek]

Happens to me basically everytime i try a 67f attempt 😔

A half decent start shoved into the ground by some evil fangs luck

[minor eagle]

Yeah its annoying bcus i just wanna run my strength

God dammit i have to deal with charybdis

[craggy totem]

The wurst!!!

The running up and down trick helps but I feel like I can never nohit it

[minor eagle]

Same

Selene doesnt break fates whim? Huh

The moon beam keepsake i mean

Ive done the true ending stuff or whatever and somehow just now is when ive first encountered the olympus fountain chamber

[wintry wharf]

Well, she's a Titaness, thus not a god

[broken creek]

Nope! Only boon giving Olympians do so selene, Artemis, and dio keepsakes are all fair game since they dont fall into that category

[minor eagle]

I had expected artemis and dio because they arnt really changing the course of things, but selene does given she affects rewards

Either way i'll take it. Barely beat prometheus, do not like aspect of eos so far

[modest dirge]

on high high what bosses become the hardest

my understanding is that hecate is kinda a wall sometimes

[devout cairn]

Hecate Scylla Chronos

[broken creek]

Prom can be an issue too but its mostly uw with boss issues

[feral shell]

I have what i hope is a simple question: i have a 21 win streak on the "Chaos Below" trial, any idea why I haven't unlocked the "Infinite Possibility" achievement which is scheduled to unlock with "Clear 20 Chaos Trials" Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[broken creek]

You need to clear 20 different trials

[minor eagle]

^

[feral shell]

WOOOOOW, how did i miss something so simple?? Okay, i'll try that next. Thank you SOOOOOO much @broken creek

[minor eagle]

Im kinda sad i couldnt night bloom the ally that shows up in the prom fight but it makes sense bcus you dont kill them

[buoyant matrix]

you can nightbloom prom's summons and they kick ass

[minor eagle]

True, and its still good

I just kinda wanted to do smth similar to what happens against scylla and the sirens

[rustic spire]

You kinda can kill them, actually. Night Bloom works on them, I've used it multiple times on Prom.

You don't see health bars, but they ARE killable.

[minor eagle]

I mean ||heracles||

I dont know if im meant to spoiler that or not but im doing it just to be safe

[rustic spire]

||He|| doesn't technically die, just jumps away from the fight.

[minor eagle]

Yea exactly

[rustic spire]

And the adds still show up in the VoR version.

[minor eagle]

Tru

I get why it doesnt work on ||him|| but it would have been funny so im sad anyway

[dim gorge]

torches might be the least fun weapon in the history of weapons

[devout cairn]

true except for moros

[sleek oar]

Bro hasnt played coat

[dim gorge]

even that doesnt work for me at all with like any build

[foggy sable]

someone explain why supay is actually fun

[sleek oar]

Moros is really good tho

[devout cairn]

just slap zeus special on it with any attack and stuff will explode it's fun

[devout cairn]

it's not

[sleek oar]

I love that supay works with beach ball ! 🙂

[dim gorge]

do u use omega special with that or just special

[foggy sable]

I didn't even read what yall were talking about why are torches bad again?

[sleek oar]

Amazing synergy by supergiant games team 🙂🙂🙂

[devout cairn]

with moros you always want your omega special active

[dim gorge]

no its about why theyre not fun

[devout cairn]

pop ospecial, then spam attack

[dim gorge]

yeah but a lot of the attacks just dont hit the spinning things and dont explode

[devout cairn]

i feel like we are playing a different game cuz they do...

not ALL of them do I will give you that

[minor eagle]

Selene coat:

[devout cairn]

but just enough hit for the weapon to be really good

[dim gorge]

idk for me like every third attack hits the rest just go through

when i stand still its normal but when dashing around it barely hits

[minor eagle]

I like moros torches personally

[dim gorge]

its not bad im just ass at it but other torches sucks

not just damage output it feels awful to use them

[devout cairn]

probably cuz of the lack of impact from the flames + you hold attack instead of mashing it, I prefer mashing it

[dim gorge]

its like tiptoeing on a floor of wet sponges that stink thats what torches feel like

[foggy sable]

I dont think I dislike any aspect lol

[little cipher]

Torches take some getting use to. It helps to build around the fact that multi-hits are easy, particularly in the special attack. Zues in special usually works well

[crude dragon]

Not anymore :3

[valid zephyr]

||can someone tell me what the point of chronos' time stopping attack is? theres no way to dodge and he gets 1-2 free hits||

[buoyant matrix]

you can usually dodge, don't try attacking him during it

[valid zephyr]

no your dash literally doesnt work during it

[crude dragon]

You mean the Tempii bubbles?

[valid zephyr]

no the auto time stopping attack whgich you cant dodge

[buoyant matrix]

it does, the iframes just start slightly later so you have to dodge slightly sooner

[crude dragon]

So the slow where you get a sepia filter? Just focus on dodging during it

[valid zephyr]

idk some attacks while your slowed just feel impossible

[craggy totem]

After some bad experiences, nowadays, the instant I see the timeslow, I beeline toward the safety donut even if he hasn't started the animation for that particular attack yet

[merry whale]

when he does time slow, u wanna dash earlier than u think

cuz ur invul time is delayed a little bit but also extended as well

in rivals it's kinda dumb cuz if he does double slash ur guaranteed to get hit and it's kinda unfair

cuz u literally cannot dash twice fast enough

[foggy sable]

is it weird that ive never been hit during the time thing?

[merry whale]

nah it's kinda free

[foggy sable]

it was never an attack I struggled with lol

[merry whale]

once ur used to it u kinda vibe

[foggy sable]

same with the instant kills, I kinda just make small movements and die for them lol

[sleek oar]

It was /s

[craggy totem]

I wasn't hit by it for like 250+ nights. And then I got stuck out of position during timeslow right before he did the orbital instakill, twice.

You don't gotta instakill me a third time for me to take the hint 😆

[minor eagle]

Oof

[foggy sable]

on another note, Supay is down now :D won a 12 fear surface run with it, turns out blitz good

[minor eagle]

Oh yeah how do you differentiate between the red aura insta kill and the one at the middle for the safe zone

[minor eagle]

Blitz very good, ggs

[foggy sable]

I forgot what boon it was, but the one that triggers blitz when you hit an omega attack

[craggy totem]

WDYM by differentiating, it sounds like you already can tell one of them has red aura and the other doesn't? Like the preparatory animation before it?

[minor eagle]

As in what do you call them

[foggy sable]

that plus supay would have been even better if I had it on special lol

[buoyant matrix]

red insta and black insta, lol

[minor eagle]

Because i find it awkward to name them properly

[minor eagle]

True

[tender oracle]

the red insta's safe spot is always at one of the clock numbers
perhaps you can use that to think of a name

[foggy sable]

||which version of time belongs to us do you guys like more, the credits version or the crossroads version?||

so it turns out that my most used boon is nova strike

[minor eagle]

Credits

[minor eagle]

How do you check most used boons? Also probably same, i used to be an addict for that thing

[foggy sable]

the record keeper in the tavern has 4 sections

[buoyant matrix]

the nerd guy in taverna

[minor eagle]

Altho now i basically never use it bcus i like to just not use god keepsakes much

[foggy sable]

I love the nerd guy

[minor eagle]

Gotcha, i'll check in a bit

[foggy sable]

it would be funny to try and beat 62 fear with EVERYTHING (all boons, hammers, etc)

[craggy totem]

Balatro-ass idea

[foggy sable]

when every boon is the high score, none of them are

[buoyant matrix]

some like blood spree are just a waste of a boon

[foggy sable]

what does blood spree do?

[buoyant matrix]

heal you for hitting enemies while below 40 hp
scars3 makes it useless because you can't heal

[foggy sable]

and to be fair, its not like you can only use one boon per run lol

[merry whale]

blood spree if it ignored scars (it's not saving me from typhon)

[foggy sable]

can they add like one level to wards or smth so that 67 isnt the highest possible fear /j

[merry whale]

imagine

[foggy sable]

no, wards 50

[valid zephyr]

yeah no way just got 2 times lol

i dont think i want to push further than 48 fear because of chronos

[craggy totem]

What's the absolute dead worst region to get fig leaf scammed in, y'all reckon

[buoyant matrix]

Olympus

[crude dragon]

Olympus

[craggy totem]

I figured. What about out of the UW ones?

[grave gorge]

Ephyra

[crude dragon]

Oceanus

[grave gorge]

'cause you had to take fig leaf as keepsake 1, passing up on way better options, and then it didn't even work

[broken creek]

Olympus

[craggy totem]

LMAO true I guess, I wasn't really thinking about region one at all

[minor eagle]

Olympus, probably erebus for underworld tho imo, mostly because erebus is just. Easy.

Unless i have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the keepsake works

But i dont think i do

[grave gorge]

Okay chat, I'm doing another attempt at Circe
I'm gonna get good at this weapon or die (a lot) trying

[craggy totem]

Well, if it's easy, then getting scammed shouldn't matter as much :P But it's true that if you are taking it in region 1 then things have already gone funny anyway

[broken creek]

It only works on 3 regions iirc so taking it region1 means its just useless somewhere guaranteed

[minor eagle]

I tried it and it was fun

[grave gorge]

Oh, Circe's great! It's a top tier weapon. I just suck at it, a lot, and was complaining about it last night

[minor eagle]

Circe has a person has my ire but the weapon is cool but not really something i wanna use all the time

[grave gorge]

Though half my problem is that I'm trying to learn it with 35 fear on

[minor eagle]

Oh. Yeah that'd be your issue

[grave gorge]

Epic Rapture Ring first boon
gonna be a good run

[minor eagle]

Aye

[broken creek]

Oh huh I never take rapture ring circe

[minor eagle]

I have no clue how good of a combo it is im just nodding and agreeing

[grave gorge]

it eats through wards fairly quickly, at least
...wards that I'm now honor-bound by my username to have on

[minor eagle]

Maybe you have penance because you're doing wards 2

[scarlet dune]

im trying to do the arachnes outfit achievement, can i switch out her keepsake and keep the effect?

[minor eagle]

I usually have wards 1 on but never wards 2

[scarlet dune]

the +4 per location effect

[broken creek]

I mean more so ive done 62f with circe and ive never taken aphro cast lol even though it has good base damage

[minor eagle]

I dont see why you would keep it

[broken creek]

You keep the armor you built up but dont gain anymore

[rustic spire]

For Circe, I just avoid Demeter for main cast and instead go for Artic Gale, then whichever is available for some damage over time or whatever else is quick for damage. Finally, I try to go all in on omega boons, ideally with Lucid Gain, tho Flood Gain is fine too.

[minor eagle]

The only ones you really keep on switch are the fates whim ones

[broken creek]

Top picks for circe is zeus/hestia(hestia needs Pyro tech tho) then my list tends to lean towards demeter cast and if I dont get any of those I succumb to winners circle poseidon or heph

[tidal sun]

does anyone know the difference in cost between the original ending spells and the post-release patch ending spells?

[buoyant matrix]

just two more zsand for dissolution of time

[pallid cradle]

Well apparently there was a prophecy I didn't finish.

Just got and finished one for Circe.

[minor eagle]

Thats how it be

[long silo]

@buoyant matrix I'm watching your Charon video and I'm just curious why you took ionic gain instead of aiming for born gain in ephyra

[buoyant matrix]

because born gain got deleted when i took sworn flourish

[long silo]

True ok ok denial... thanks!!

[buoyant matrix]

and zeus was the only option in ephyra that had an infinitely sustainable gain

[long silo]

"Infinitely sustainable"? What do you mean? Isn't hestia fine?

[buoyant matrix]

not with charon

[minor eagle]

Charon uses big magick for each hit

[long silo]

Now that I'm thinking about it why did you delete born gain in the first place when playing Charon

[minor eagle]

You'd be kinda in an awkward position if you tried to use cardio gain bcus of how slow the axe hits

[buoyant matrix]

tranquil, lucid, born and ionic are the the main mass regen options, with all of them except born also providing infinite magick over time

[buoyant matrix]

because getting damage up early is more important

[tranquil wren]

better to have %dmg on special first probably

[crude dragon]

Because Hera Special is really good on Charon

[buoyant matrix]

with denial you commonly have to make tough choices like that

[crude dragon]

Debatably better than Apollo

[tranquil wren]

wait really? I thought the bigger range was pretty good for charon

[buoyant matrix]

both are equally viable imo

[crude dragon]

They're the top 2, IMO

Apollo's great for the AoE increase and Hera's great for mass Hitch application

[long silo]

The only way I know how to play Charon is apollo spec and pos on cast which is sad cause it's arguably my fav aspect

[tranquil wren]

with fw you don't need to go for that every time

[long silo]

And you say Hera is probably better than Apollo on spec, how do you treat cast ideally

I know "it depends" but top 3 gods you wanna see for your cast are what

[tranquil wren]

just don't get storm ring or smolder ring basically

[pallid cradle]

I gotta redo my weapon tier list. Morrigan is going in S. I'm loving this thing today.

[tranquil wren]

aphro, hera, and apollo are my fav cast options otherwise

[long silo]

See man I thought storm and smolder were literally like the best rings

[storm glen]

apollos better if u have another source of orig

apollo special charon is easily the strongest for damage its a consistent 2x

[long silo]

Apollo spec, pos cast, Apollo legendary, fine lines and geyser spout

[storm glen]

although i kinda hate that bc apollo also has 2 other good boons you want

[crude dragon]

The ones that deal damage on drop or expiry, so Apollo/Hera/Poseidon

[storm glen]

for charon?

[long silo]

Ya

[storm glen]

ares cast is underrated on it

other than that pos/apollo are the good ones

you kinda take whatever gives u orig first though realistically

[buoyant matrix]

apollo is the best choice but it usually gets denial'd in favor of the more important apollo boons
after that it's obviously poseidon
then probably like hera or hephaestus idk

[storm glen]

apollo has 4 core boons u want on charon lmao

[long silo]

But with denial that'll never happen I guess

[tranquil wren]

shrimply don't take denial
even at 32F you don't need it

[storm glen]

judgement 62 run without denial

[craggy totem]

Y'all ever hit ransom after you forgot that one of the ransomed boons was part of your core build

💀 🤦 🛌

[minor eagle]

You see we look at +4 levels per [X] boon lost and brain go ooh number go up

And thus we are drawn into the temptations, and open up pandora's box (losing the run)

[crude dragon]

When the Born Gain was load-bearing

[craggy totem]

TFW I throw so hard that I should consider joining a basketball league

[tranquil wren]

lmao

[glad lake]

I just realized, bringing a DD to Rivals 4 Chronos even if you have Strength is not a horrible idea

[buoyant matrix]

nope, i am a calm and calculating person and will consider everything before making big decisions like that (i once walked out of a room after sea star proc'd on path of stars)

[minor eagle]

i almost did that once

[glad lake]

I mean it's a good way to survive the stun kill if you mess up. then you are back to STR

[buoyant matrix]

just drop strength until you're good enough at the fight, running both is sub optimal

[glad lake]

never

I did beat him twice before in Rivals but I love my Strength

on a side note how do you build for White Antler?

[craggy totem]

If you have no other vows on, I think he's easier with Strength

[craggy totem]

Armor, shields, dodge, Life Tax or other sources of healing via damage, etc.

[glad lake]

I'm trying to get used to permanently minimum 24 fear

hmmmm, armor and dodge stack, I Should try this

[buoyant matrix]

snow queen, nitro boost and any form of armor for defense
success rate and cherished heirloom for more damage 🤑

[craggy totem]

All right I got the loadbearing boon back in the next Fields room, never punished

[glad lake]

I should try this

[craggy totem]

Although I did panic and forget to rarify it with Card. I could have had an even better version of it.

[glad lake]

also end of time being a black hole is a really cool detail

[craggy totem]

The sheer force of relief was too powerful for my puny mortal mind to bear and also think about rarifying things.

[buoyant matrix]

tf is a load bearing boon

[glad lake]

and scientifically accurate too

[craggy totem]

You're gonna laugh at me very hard but it was uhm. It was my Blitz special dhjkfghjfkghj

[glad lake]

wait I cannot recall, you just beat the g ame again when you rewind time and get a fancier ending right?

[pallid cradle]

Well that's a new personal best for Ephyra exit.

1:28 (no Artemis)

[craggy totem]

In my DEFENSE. I was really focused on "oh psh I don't mind giving up my cast boon" (this is not a strong defense)

[buoyant matrix]

yes, some dialogue changes too

[glad lake]

yay

[minor eagle]

I will forgive this blunder anyway

[glad lake]

wait do you need to go through every || Zag encounter in the mirror again||?

[craggy totem]

I screwed up anyway because I thought I could outDPS the instakill but I was too clumsy 😔

[glad lake]

that'd have been gangsta

[craggy totem]

Tag your spoilers btw

[glad lake]

oh we are still in spoile territory?

[craggy totem]

If it relates to the ending or epilogue, it's a 1.0 spoiler

[glad lake]

gotchu

do you know the answer to the question btw? 'Im gonna decide to sleep late accordingly

[craggy totem]

And yes, it's basically redo all the main-story plot beats leading up to the ending

I believe that the explanatory message you get when you do the incant goes into some detail about it

[glad lake]

yeah but I was unsure, thanksies

[little cipher]

Possible stupid question: if I run Time fear, is the clock always ticking or is it only going during encounters?

[icy halo]

The clock stops in menus where you choose things (but not on your own boon screen), in the Book of Shadows, in shops, in NPC rooms, and after you beat region bosses until you get into the first room that has enemies in the next region

[craggy totem]

Mostly only during encounters. It pauses during dialogues, boon selection, shops, inter-region rooms, etc.

[gritty vortex]

the clock pauses for a lot of things, including menus, being in the shop, any npc encounters

[craggy totem]

The major exception to be on the lookout for is that it does NOT pause during fountain rooms.

[tender oracle]

does it add time after each region like hades 1 or reset time

[gritty vortex]

same as h1

[tender oracle]

sweet

[icy halo]

Despite that Mel sometimes says "A moment to relax", it is NOT a moment to relax 😭

[minor eagle]

Mel never relaxes anyway

[gritty vortex]

if you're worried about time fear, id just recommend turning on the in game timer in your settings. it works exactly like the timer vow and will help you get an idea for when it pauses/doesnt as well as how much time you take per region

[little cipher]

OK, thank you

[minor eagle]

Atleast zagreus went to bed like one time in hades 1

[tender oracle]

it also does not pause after enemies are defeated. it pauses in dialogue, menus, etc but not just sitting around in a room after you clear it

[craggy totem]

Except for region bosses.

[little cipher]

I don't trust my speed, that's why I'm asking

[tender oracle]

except guardians yes

[gritty vortex]

turn on the timer in your settings, you'll learn a lot faster that way without the stress of the vow

[tender oracle]

time 1 is free, time 2 is easy
time 3 is when you actually have to start worrying about it imo

[thin laurel]

it also helps to press escape (or whatever the equivalent is for controller) when choosing between two doors, since the timer doesn’t pause for that.
not always necessary, but can be a nice habit to get into for when it DOES start mattering

[craggy totem]

You can just look at your record of past runs. If you're clearing faster than thirty six minutes per run you're good for Time 1

[fickle drum]

I FINALLY got Clanger

[tender oracle]

yes remember to pause if you need a moment to think

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[heavy moon]

I've just unlocked in the cauldron something that enable me to "greet" the pact could somebody please tell me what exactly does it do ?

[tender oracle]

salute

sorry misinterpreted that
it rerolls the run's seed

[thin laurel]

are you past the epilogue? I assume you’re talking about “saluting” the pact in English.
if it’s what I’m thinking of, doing that will reset your seed for the night (i.e. change what you’re offered in room 1 and such)

[heavy moon]

yeah sorry english is not my first language

[minor eagle]

Its chill

[fickle drum]

Rivals Prom is a doozy

Regular Prom I already have difficulty with.

[grave gorge]

Can confirm, just died to rivals Prom

[hearty fog]

I keep telling myself the big man isn't that much of a problem and on my last run I took a club to the back of the head and neck to end it.

[grave gorge]

Was too aggressive at the start of the fight, lost too much health pretending I was playing a higher dps build, left me running around playing super defensively for the rest of the fight until I got smacked

[minor eagle]

Usually im fine with rivals prom but i do get hit a couple more times than usual

But like aslong as i dont die im okay (i have come close to death many times)

[grave gorge]

I'm still getting used to frenzy, I think

Eris is usually the run-killer lately

If I get past her, good chance I finish the whole run

[craggy totem]

Oh dear god, I was like "what the hell, why does Odysseus have new dialogue all of a sudden!?" and.... there's a 500 nights dialogue

[thin laurel]

oh hey I also just got that this last week!!

[grave gorge]

Watched my roommate killing normal Eris by standing behind the pillars, waiting til she runs over, jumping out and stabbing her once or twice, then running all the way to the other pillar to repeat

Took her like 6 minutes but it worked lol

[thin laurel]

I think it doesn’t count chaos trials, prob same with the run end screen titles

[craggy totem]

Way to make me feel self conscious about my nerdiness age, Odysseus.

[rustic spire]

Eris is my run-killer for surface, Cerberus for uw. Usually.

[grave gorge]

For UW, it's Rivals Hecate for me. Get past her, I'm pretty much set to make it to grandpa. If he doesn't have Rivals on, he falls over. If he does, I fall over.

[sharp brook]

love how me and my parents are arguing about the pronunciation of Demeter. with them saying the way they pronounce it in game is incorrect and is not taught at all

[thin laurel]

for UW it kind of depends on fear level.
like, at 40 fear rivals Hecate is not going to be an issue. at 62 sometimes I’m leaving that arena at 5:42 having lost 3 DDs because Erebus timer suuuuucks

[sharp brook]

to me I use both pronunciations, so I treat them both as correct

[grave gorge]

I don't like taking Demeter downtown

||'cause no matter where we park I'm constantly having to feed de meter||

[sharp brook]

shut up lmao

[grave gorge]

you're right, I'm sorry, I deserve torment for that.

[pallid cradle]

Honestly I'd deactivate after this one.

[foggy sable]

rivals prometheus isnt that hard for me, I honestly just fully ignore one of the guys and just beat the other into the ground as fast as possible

[minor eagle]

Does the medea curse that needs death defiances allow toula dd

[storm glen]

yeah but its also bad and you shouldmnt pick it

[thorny adder]

If only it was percentage of total instead of percentage of remaining

[pallid cradle]

It's really sad that Medea's best bonuses are traces of spirits and corrosion on sight.

I guess something named "Medea" had to be bad in this game tho.

[minor eagle]

Prophecy:

[pallid cradle]

And it sure isn't the aspect

[minor eagle]

Trust me if i never had to touch death defiances ever i would do exactly that

[pallid cradle]

Just turn on Death and keep resetting your Ephyra tbh. Then die to poly if you wanna go back to strength.

[minor eagle]

True

[pallid cradle]

If you're going for a prophecy

[fickle drum]

I got 20.5 minutes on a Hephaestus build lol

Don't ask me why I misused aspect of Eos. It just kinda happened.

[daring vector]

man.... the skulls weapon feels really bad

[fickle drum]

You just gotta use it right.

[daring vector]

without the hammer that auto returns the skulls to you

[fickle drum]

Wym? They just return if you special

[hearty fog]

It's not universal range, you gotta be in the neighborhood for that to work.

[daring vector]

yea, but it's wayy too much of a melee build for me to like lol

[fickle drum]

It doesn't have to be but also, most builds are melee builds.

Even Bow in the first game.

[daring vector]

Maybe my build is just dog, Possessed array hammer is just oof

[hearty fog]

They nerfed Possessed Array in a bunch of weird indirect ways so it takes a lot of set-up to properly integrate into a build.

[tranquil wren]

possessed array is actually one of the best hammers (for medea, at least)
as long as you have a good gain boon though

[daring vector]

I don't have any upgrades on anything lol, it's just the regular skull no aspects

[fickle drum]

Possessed Array is amazing

[minor eagle]

Finally done the curse, get me away from death defiances forever

[daring vector]

Is there a guide of what gods to go for, for each weapon?

[tranquil wren]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide

[icy halo]

"lose" rather than "spend" is such ass

[minor eagle]

Aspect of pan feels so boring

[devout cairn]

it is

[minor eagle]

About what i expected

[storm glen]

yep

[daring vector]

Yea wow, vow of rivals hecate is BRUTAL, I already beat her once but god, never doing it to farm low level nightmares EVER again

[craggy totem]

Rivals is definitely not a vow I'd pick for farming

[crude dragon]

It used to be a lot more fun (or at least a lot less clunky), but it got gutted a few patches ago

[minor eagle]

:((

[crude dragon]

I think they made both the startup and recovery for the OSpecial slower?

[hearty fog]

So many design decisions that missed the mark.

Used to be you could Dash out of the Omega Special and every knife would still come out. Led to fun shenanigans like Exceptional Talent and dropping knife sprinklers.

Now Dashing before the animation finishes cancels any remaining knives without refunding any Magick.

Old O Special builds are pretty dead outside low Fear.

[storm glen]

it didnt have recovery before i believe

it was just an animation u could dash out of it and ur dmg would still come out

idk pan is kind of unsalvageable

[devout cairn]

looks it didnt pan out

[hearty fog]

Shame.

[storm glen]

i cant remember a time pan was just balanced

either bottom 1 or near the top always

[dusk marsh]

bro in part 2 of cronus fihgt when he does that big floor attafck that one shots are you supposed to go into the circle to avoid it?

[hearty fog]

Yup.

[rustic basin]

Finished a 62F with Arachne's dress still on lmao

[broken glen]

Now, I’m not a pan defender by any means (liked it before the nerfs) but it can still be really fun if you get the right hammers (things like sureshot, NOT trick knives because that’s lame)

[minor eagle]

Yeah go into the circle

[broken glen]

I’m a trick knives hater, it makes every aspect play the same because of how overwhelmingly good it is

[minor eagle]

Nah i totally get that

Sometimes objectively great is just. Unfun

[broken glen]

I also dislike psychic whirlwind just because of how free it is

Like it is really fun but you pick it over all other hammers unconditionally (unless you’re playing Charon)

There is no reason not to take it

[minor eagle]

I think psychic whirlwind is more fun bcus instead of more knives you just have the near constant death vortex and thats cooler

[halcyon loom]

yes

[minor eagle]

I still totally get dislike for it, its samey

But its cooler

[broken glen]

It feels like the hammer equivalent of a legendary boon

[minor eagle]

Ye

[nova oar]

Trick knives:

[broken glen]

I literally said trick knives right above that

[nova oar]

Oh lmfao

[broken glen]

Like at least the whirlwind cycling is different between than/nergal

[red fox]

I would say because psychic whirlwind make me play with my aspect more

Taking trick knife basically make optimal gameplay into aspect of trick knife

[fickle drum]

For some reason I started losing a lot of hp in Thessaly lately.

I also struggle with rivals Poly.

[storm glen]

op hammers r dumb

thatws why i lik torch hammers they are pretty well balanced

[fickle drum]

I also haven't been very successful with the axe on the surface. I'm even using Thanatos now.

[nova oar]

Axe sucks on the surface I agree

[fickle drum]

Like with Apollo attack and everything.

[nova oar]

How much fear?

[fickle drum]

What's so different about the surface?

Uh, 10-20, depending on weapon.

[nova oar]

The rivals are 'easier' than uw ones but overall it's harder

[fickle drum]

Harder in what way though..

Also I don't understand the torch aspect of slow moving cloud.

[nova oar]

Normal enemies are much tougher

[fickle drum]

Eos I think it was?

[red fox]

You fire omega attack then spam special

[lilac palm]

hey everyone question
currently i’m play hades 2 on my switch 2
if i download the switch 2 edition on my oled switch would my data carry over or would it even work?

[red fox]

Can use ospecial after oatk for 2x ospecial

[fickle drum]

I tried putting Apollo special to see if the cloud does any real damage.

[nova oar]

Terrible choice for eos

[fickle drum]

But it doesn't pulse very frequently.

[nova oar]

I think you misunderstand the aspect

[fickle drum]

I do

So... How do I understand it?

[nova oar]

So the omega attack fires pulses that count as attack

When you special, specials also fire from the cloud

[fickle drum]

Oh, you have to actually hit special for it to pulse.

[broken glen]

Yep, the day breaker copies your specials. It’s like a second melinoe

[red fox]

It pulse automatically

But it is also a vehicle for extra special

[craggy totem]

Does Seismic make it pulse any faster? /never tried

[fickle drum]

Oh the pulse and it copying your special are two different things?

[broken glen]

I don’t think so, but Apollo legendary does

[fickle drum]

Is there any pattern to how the cloud moves?

[flint sail]

the pulse looks like a white shockwave

[broken glen]

Generally in an arc, curves towards enemies

Loosely tracks

[fickle drum]

So if I understand this correctly I want a status curse on attack and special?

I assume the auto pulse still uses your attack boon.

Oh now I get why the cloud suddenly started pulsing pink.

[broken glen]

I’d recommend having a status curse on the special. Hitch is a great pick, but it also hits quickly so blitz is also a good pick. I’d recommend % for the attack, since it doesn’t really hit fast enough to justify something like scorch or blitz. Aphro or Apollo are both great picks

[fickle drum]

What about freeze? Bit less %, but it's a status curse.

[broken glen]

And some quick playstyle advice, since Eos can be hard at first: fire your day breaker, and then spam specials, dash, cast, the works. Starting to attack again after you fire your daybreaker will cause you to start channeling again, and fire a new one, which isn’t ideal.

As for Demeter, it’s certainly not a bad move, and great for area control, but with how much mobility freedom you have with eos applying curses via rush or cast is easy

[fickle drum]

In a pinch, I guess Ares special also works?

[flint sail]

don't forget to ospecial first before spamming special

[fickle drum]

Does the cloud copy that too?

[flint sail]

yes

[fickle drum]

I guess scorch might work too.

[storm glen]

ares attack is better

[fickle drum]

How so?

[storm glen]

u dont need to be applying wounds so often and the special is the fastest multihit in the game

[broken glen]

Here’s my ideal Eos picks:

Apollo/Aphro/Ares attack
Zeus/Hera special
Demeter cast, or anything that applies a curse really
Hera rush
Apollo/Aphro gain (if you go aphro, rarity has to be high)

[storm glen]

better to put a stronger % on it or an on hit effect

[fickle drum]

You mean fast aoe?

[storm glen]

aoe and multihit

[broken creek]

For eos your attack is better off being a % since the ball counts as an attack, so best to put on hit stuff or good curses like blitz for special

I should play eos it seems like it'd be fun to at least 55f

[broken glen]

Ares wounds can only be applied every 3 seconds, and special goes off way more. Attack will be able to get a lot more value out of wounds

[fickle drum]

How long does the cloud last for?

[broken glen]

I’m pretty sure it says in the Eos tooltip

[fickle drum]

I don't have it in front of me rn. I guess I could check the wiki.

[covert badge]

around 6 sec ig? cuz it pulses 3 times

zeus special + arc flash on eos is very safe

[fickle drum]

So wound is a weird thing. The attack that applies it has more power than usual?

[flint sail]

if you ospecial as soon as you oattack, it's generally a good idea to start casting another oattack as just a bit after the ospecial ends. unless you have the hammer that increases ospecial duration

[fickle drum]

So it's better on slower attacks?

[red fox]

Wound is good on attacks that you only occasionally use.... although wound generally just not good alone

[tender oracle]

yeah i'd say wounds is best used on attacks you use/hit less frequently

[red fox]

Wound does unlock some great boon/duo

[fickle drum]

Oh like ax special.

[daring vector]

After playing with a maxed out aspect of moros build, I like dont wanna play any of the other weapons lmao

[fickle drum]

Ares in general is like, the basic stuff is hollow but once you get the synergy you get something good.

[broken glen]

Moros makes everything explode, but does have a bit lower effective range compared to something like Mel torches (since your attacks will be blown up by Ospecial)

[abstract depot]

Aspect of Medea is broken as but its so easy to miss lmao

[daring vector]

Yea every run ive done since its been maxed has been a joke

[broken glen]

Mel torches feel a lot safer but moros feels unstoppable

[fickle drum]

Any tips for not losing three defiances to rivals Polly?

[abstract depot]

Also basically has infinite dashes on this thing very stupid

[nova oar]

yeah

[daring vector]

Yea i got destroyed on rivals poly, not sure when i'll put on rivals Eris

[fickle drum]

Rivals Eris is fine.

[storm glen]

its decent on everything

[red fox]

Learn the phase change poison pattern, they are same everytime

[craggy totem]

No iframes on the normal special though >_>

[abstract depot]

You have to beat rivals polyphemus and hecate three times to unlock rivals 2 right?

[craggy totem]

No, just once is enough, but you also need to have met a rare Thessaly miniboss

[flint sail]

moros was my favorite before they increased the range of ospecial. you now have go be mindful of the distance instead of just hugging the enemy. still arguably the best tho

[storm glen]

the +50 pwr every 3 seconds makes it on par with the other % boosts and it has good tier 2 boons

[broken glen]

First tip: run strength instead unless you’re on max scars.

Second tip: be aware of the curing stations for when you get poisoned. When the phase changes, Medea will put out poison all over the floor. Try and get yourself in a place where you won’t get poisoned- poly probably won’t be out of invulnerability yet so you can play safe

[abstract depot]

I’ve only met the ship captain guy so far

[red fox]

Can't lose dd if you don't have dd begin with tap head

[fickle drum]

I can't use strength, I'll flipping die

[craggy totem]

Yeah, you need the other one. Good luck 🫡

[abstract depot]

Bruhhhh

[storm glen]

take your time

polyphemus is very fragile you only need a few good openings to kill him

[broken creek]

Medea has a very set pattern for how she places poison so its predictable and temporary, just pay attention, take your time, and dont put yourself in bad spots

[storm glen]

also dont get grabbed

[devout cairn]

Dont be afraid to chill in one spot while you wait for the poison to disappear, it's like 2 seconds and Polyphemus is blind he wont go after you

[storm glen]

the grab hitbox is a giant circle around him or some garbage just run away from him

[fickle drum]

It is? I wouldn't know I haven't been grabbed in a while.

[storm glen]

when he holds his hand up to his ear try not to hit him because he'll drop a screen nuke on you

[devout cairn]

also keep your eyes off poly and instead pay attention to the ground turning red that's where medea will appear

[flint sail]

you'd actually be surprised of it's survivability

[broken creek]

Or do and just dodge the rocks

[fickle drum]

The rock does cause an annoyingly fast shockwave.

I sometimes dash just in time.

[devout cairn]

i was surprised frenzy 2 made the rock attack easier to dodge

so that's my tip for poly rivals, activate frenzy 2 to make one of his attacks easier and then die because of frenzy 2 later

[craggy totem]

How!?

[devout cairn]

the waves go through you faster i guess

[flint sail]

well i mean, if you plan on speedrunning later you might as well just turn it on now and get used it early because it's pretty much a must

[fluid kernel]

can someone explain to me why the pin is used? is it worth it if i am using strength?

[nova oar]

It's used because 10 seconds of free damage

And it doesn't trigger if you phase the boss, but it does count as a dd effect so dom't use it on strength

[fluid kernel]

i am seeing people take it as their final keepsake

[thin laurel]

I'd say it's not worth using with Strength
but with DDs it's an incredibly strong defensive keepsake for room clear, and a very good offensive keepsake for bossing

[fluid kernel]

what'd you recommend then if i am still relatively low fear (16 fear right now on each weapon grinding testament) and not confident in antlers?

[nova oar]

pin is best then

[thin laurel]

assuming you're using Death:

1. it saves you from losing a death defiance during room clear if you're able to kill the last wave in time
2. you can purposefully die to heal back to 60 hp once per room, so you can get a ton of free healing out of it
3. during boss fights, it can work between some phases (if the hp reaches zero i.e. chronos phase transitions), but also just gives you 10 seconds of being invincible, which is very very good if your DPS is good

[fluid kernel]

assuming i am using strength

[nova oar]

knucklebones or fang are good

Antler is the best but if u dont want to take it then go with those

[thin laurel]

it does turn off the bonus from strength, so if you want a final region keepsake on strength I'd prob use onion or knucklebones
lion fang for an offensive keepsake
metallic droplet if you channel a lot

onion also won't help you during the boss fight so eh, I don't take it final region super often. but the healing is nice if you need it

[fluid kernel]

yeah i am doing max rivals + max frenzy right now, thx for the tips

[foggy sable]

alright, I now need to do a surface run with any blades besides the Morrigan

(trying to clear surface with every aspect and blades have grave thirst)

Im not sure what to go with lol

[carmine gyro]

i say artemis

[thin laurel]

Mel blades are nice, and the resident high fear Mel blades believer is online rn in #h2-builds-and-combat lol if you want tips

[weary moon]

its funny when hercules shows up with "hullo!" then proceeds to say something like "you witches suck and i hate all of you and i hate my life"

[foggy sable]

I feel like almost every character I disliked at the start became a lovable one by the end lol

mostly Nem and Eris but my point still stands

[weary moon]

ive always liked nem but then again thats due to

personal biases

[feral lintel]

using jeweled pom for the first time

using it with persephone too. It's so fun omg this is amazing, life changing

that incantation that makes keepsakes level up faster is crazy, level 3 in one run

[foggy sable]

circe just removing one of your vows is so funny to me

like what do you mean my enemies dont get perks anymore, I can see again?

[tender oracle]

• circe turns off rivals 3
• heracles vanishes from mount olympus

[merry whale]

rivals can't actually be removed

[tender oracle]

darn

[foggy sable]

I think eris would be similarly funny

[weary moon]

i FINALLY got done with icarus' romance
after 100 hours at that

[craggy totem]

The real victory lmao

[hardy depot]

Spent the last few days updating the Cauldron page on the Fandom wiki. I know most of the pages need some level of updates, but are there any other pages with a lot of bad or missing info?

[craggy totem]

I feel like there's a lot of "unknown unknowns". For example, I remember the other day I checked a damage value and it was different from what the wiki said (unfortunately, I don't remember what it was now lol), but how many of those are out of date and how many are perfectly fine? No idea.

[covert badge]

any individual material page

[hardy depot]

Oooh, that's a lot of pages

[foggy sable]

I got a lucky chaos egg at the summit, just a little flourish doubling my special damage

in fact 3/5 of my top 5 damaging effects are from 3 different gods lol

waves, fine line, and controlled burn

and of all things, it was on mel blades, and I proceeded to barely get anything out of the backstab bonus

itd be a lot easier to use if typhon would like, turn around or smth

[craggy totem]

Special

[foggy sable]

ok but why would I spam normal special on typhon of all things lol

I find it hilarious how only one boss invalidates backstab damage

[storm glen]

he takes backstab from it

[devout cairn]

They should just make Typhon one big back

[craggy totem]

The Back of Typhon

[devout cairn]

World's first back final boss

[craggy totem]

Everybody praised the innovativeness of the idea, but really it's just..........
going back to basics

[devout cairn]

[foggy sable]

ok staff has grave thirst tonight.. the only staff I have left to do for this is anubis..

im somewhat afraid for this one, what do I want to do lol

seeing a different aspect for almost every night feels good somehow

[nova oar]

Pos attack

[foggy sable]

aspect of anubis special spam, trust

[tender oracle]

chaos trials is missing a lot of trials, like the hidden aspect trials

[nova oar]

Not a good idea

[foggy sable]

really?

[fallow plank]

ive been trying to get the hidden aspects for the axe & knives, but they refuse to show up.. I have everything else crafted, I have a lvl5 on each, and I am holding the weapon when talking to the right people but never get the phrasee... like a dozen or more runs at this point. idfk

[foggy sable]

are they mel aspects?

iirc they have to be someone other then mel

[fallow plank]

like you have to have a non-Mel aspect at lvl5 for that weapon in order to get the hidden?

[devout cairn]

Yes

[fallow plank]

uuuuuughh. okay, thank you, that is probably been my holdup

[hardy depot]

I was looking at that page, the layout probably needs to be redone, a separate tab for each trial was a wild decision with how many trials there are

[nova oar]

Yes lmao

[modest dagger]

help game bug when i use chaos debuff it tell me to finish boss in under 2 mins

[craggy totem]

I don't think that's a bug

[foggy sable]

ok I have mirrored anch, rapid thrasher, and scarab etchings,

[modest dagger]

lol just clear sub 2 mins not that hard 😭

[foggy sable]

which on the note of the lost shades gimmick, how does it work with remnants?

[craggy totem]

Don't take Chaos if you're near a boss (and not confident your ability to take whatever they throw at you)

[red fox]

2 min is a lot just remember time 3 is 5 min for entire region

[storm glen]

what boss is it

[modest dagger]

music band thing

ive beaten it before but the cutscenes take way too long

[craggy totem]

I don't believe Chaos timer runs during dialogue

P sure only Hermes' timers keep running

[nova oar]

2 minutes is tons of time for scylla

[nova oar]

Not a bug

[modest dagger]

guess i just dont have a cracked out build lol

[storm glen]

have you beaten chronos yet

[modest dagger]

no just started the game

[nova oar]

That would explain it

[craggy totem]

The game does literally go out of its way to try and murder you if you progress too fast when you first start anyway, so I guess you just sort of uhhh did its job for it :P