h2-discussion

[devout cairn]

all of them except for toula

[modest dirge]

oooo thank you this is so cool omg

and yea i use all of them except toula

I did like 5 runs with toula not knowing what she did and she had disabled strength in all of them and i just didn’t put it together

[tender oracle]

reading comprehension failure

[thin laurel]

I mean I said this 10 minutes ago but my take is that Toula is better than Frinos by a lot if you aren’t using strength

But I use Gale and Hecuba the most
Raki for speeds and non-magick fun runs
Toula for some high fear stuff
Frinos…. rarely. with strength occasionally, or funny hearty appetite/mutual destruction builds where I want to stack up hp

[craggy totem]

However, Frinos is indisputably and provably more friend-shaped.

[devout cairn]

i dont hold Frinos in high regard either but I will put him above Toula, I can't explain it but her attack mechanic has a smug aura that mocks me

[thin laurel]

Frinos is there for Mel to confide with, which no other familiar gets to do <3 essential part of the run

“a smug aura” 😭
ppl who dislike cats talking abt cats irl

[tender oracle]

personally i use all of them except frinos
i'm sure frinos and his health bonus is good and all but his movement is too unreliable to block projectiles effectively with him and i have never really needed more psyche

[craggy totem]

It Shocked me (⚡) when I found out not everyone even confided in Frinos

[storm glen]

familiars are shockingly well balanced imo

[modest dirge]

ok he once ate hecates hex and i was so proud of him

[storm glen]

the only problem with familiars imo is the terrible upgrade system but thats whatever

[thin laurel]

that’s one of his main uses! sheep ball disruption duty
but then when facing cerberus he can make some attacks explode early and hit you 💀

[modest dirge]

itd be nice if you had to use the pets to upgrade them

[craggy totem]

Was it that bad? I just did up a few batches of treats between runs and bam bam bam, my main squeezes were leveled up.

[modest dirge]

💀 ok that’s messed up level of trolling

[thin laurel]

my main complaint abt the upgrade system is that by the time you can feasibly max it out you no longer need the extra gathering chance all that much 🤷 and it feels weird to upgrade that first instead of combat mechanics

[storm glen]

my main familiars are definitely raki/hecuba/gale bc idk i like bird and the other two are for high fears

[devout cairn]

frinos also removes the Shade minigame which, while boring 90% of the time, has the really fast version which is the only reason I play Hades 2

[red fox]

The extra gathering chance is for kudo at that time

[thin laurel]

I just wish we had access to it when resources are still a major concern, without an opportunity cost

[craggy totem]

My main complaint in the deep postgame is that with Greater Gathering or whatnot, it's damn annoying to try and step into a door or whatever and get locked into a gathering animation instead because a node was too close to the door.

[thin laurel]

not a huge deal tho, my familiars have been maxed out for a couple hundred nights on my save, but. for a new save I can imagine the upgrade process being a bit annoying

[craggy totem]

"But it pauses timer when you gather!" Sure, but it doesn't pause MY ANNOYANCE

[tender oracle]

oh yeah
does greater gathering also auto-pacify and fish

[red fox]

Not the huge deal for me too because i find out i can upgrade them very late

[craggy totem]

Yes @tender oracle

[modest dirge]

if they added some gold to each resource you gather it’d be nice

[thin laurel]

I stg in oceanus I can be standing SO FAR away from a fishing point, directly next to a boon, and Mel pulls out the damn rod. awful

[modest dirge]

because now I just skip pretty much all the mini games but if i got like 25 or 50 gold id do them

[tender oracle]

sick. i've been too cowardly to test that out

[devout cairn]

ive only heard legends of this, it never happened to me as far as i remember

[red fox]

I missed toula for very long because i always rush toward door

[thin laurel]

would end up overpowered in the post-game tbh, once you unlock the autogathering incantation. that’s a lot of free gold for something you don’t even spend time on

[storm glen]

``111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111````````

[modest dirge]

oh I didn’t know that existed

[thin laurel]

getting some extra elements from gathering each run is underwhelming, but also turning on air quality right before typhon via a lost shade? feels great

[storm glen]

wtf my tilda key is still jammed

nvm im chilling

[opaque bison]

How do you unlock this?

[storm glen]

the extra elements are honestly pretty great

[thin laurel]

it takes forever to unlock lol, but it’s a great QoL for the late game! and makes stuff like demeter’s “heal when you gather things” boon a lot more practical

[modest dirge]

yea ill look out for it

[thin laurel]

I think it’s just 1 of each element total per run? but it’s still great

[storm glen]

like getting an entire boon closer to the infusion u want is a lot of progress + getting all 4 from just resource gathering unlocks proper upbringing to show up in a boon menu

[thin laurel]

and idr the full requirements to unlock it, just that it involves a lot of fishing and gathering in general

(if someone knows pls chime in)

[opaque bison]

To get it you need at least all familiar upgrades (all familiars should be lvl 10) and all caught fishes (27 total - 3 per biome: 12 for underworld, 12 for surface and 3 in chaos realm/gates)
Probably tools' uses are count too (101 successful uses of all of the pickaxe, axe, and spade, and 51 successful uses of both the stone tablet and fishing rod)

[red fox]

Not like there is a progress meter anyway, just do a lot of gathering and fishing and farming

[thin laurel]

another use for toula tbh, to get all that fishing done without wasting time

[red fox]

Getting all rare fish without toula is definitely a drag

[devout cairn]

but i like fishing... another L for big fat toula

[neon hull]

and then you sell all the fish for bones so you can get more nightmare

[modest dirge]

any pointers on unlocking the hidden arm for witch staff?

[devout cairn]

yeah pray circe appears in your run

[neon hull]

get one of em to max rank then talk to someone who has an aspect named after them. for the staff that would be circe

[storm glen]

use the scan visor

[red fox]

Unlock all aspect, use 5 nightmare to upgrade them then pray

[modest dirge]

oh ok ill just use staff a few times

[neon hull]

oh mb i forgot about that part

[craggy totem]

All hidden aspects are unlocked the same way: unlock every non-hidden aspect, spend at least 5 nightmare on a non-Melinoe aspect (THE MELINOE ASPECT DOES NOT COUNT), then talk to the character for which an aspect was named that was present for the whole game.

[thin laurel]

woah wait, aspect of moros > toula username change? the end of an era

[modest dirge]

oooooo I didn’t upgrade a non meli staff

[craggy totem]

People always forget the "non-Melinoe" part, and two of the weapons have multiple aspects named after characters that are in the game at some point

[thin laurel]

moros can be best girl too…. if he wants

[red fox]

Well melinoe doesn't use nightmare too

[craggy totem]

Quite right, and yet, some people fail to comprehend this until it is explicitly pointed out

[modest dirge]

so I can go to circe without using a staff and she’ll now eventually gimme one

[neon hull]

moros is bae (both him and the aspect)

[craggy totem]

Correct, you don't need to be wielding the weapon to get the dialogue

[modest dirge]

ok thank you

im back to using aspect of moros 🙏

[craggy totem]

IDR if the game said, but is Hades!Moros explicitly the baby brother to the Fates being elder sisters, or is that just the energy

[thin laurel]

idr if they specify who’s older or younger…? he’s explicitly their brother and it has very “big sisters half mothering him at times” vibes tho

[icy halo]

Yeah he's definitely younger in spirit 😆 Which may be the only thing that matters, given the whole "immortals" thing

Sure Eris is older than Achilles but it's not like she acts like it

(Yes I know Achilles isn't actually immortal by the games' definition, but he has a presumably-unending existence here in the afterlife so I'm counting it)

[craggy totem]

You could say a lot of the gods/truly-immortal characters have some amount of really skewed perspective, even if it doesn't always manifest in ways that correspond 1:1 to what humans perceive as immaturity

[oblique hemlock]

do you guys think it’s humid in the crossroads?

i imagine it’s pretty muggy, erebus too

[red fox]

Considered they are quite close to 2 watery place

[devout cairn]

quite moist

[oblique hemlock]

i feel like there’s undead mosquitoes buzzing around

[covert badge]

nah, not really. i loved room with pre-nerf freeze, very strong combined with chain

but fr you could just go for cold storage instead

[neon hull]

oh ok. yea cold storage sounds like a better option imo

[violet flicker]

Hey y'all, I've got Nemesis offering to trade for my Bridal Glow - has anyone tried this interaction before? Like, if I give it up, will my boon downgrade, or is the upgrade permanent and now it doesn't matter?

[neon hull]

what is she offering you in exchange?

[violet flicker]

I'm assuming it's free gold like similar boons if you sell them, but I don't want to bork my run

I fail to see what that matters, but to sate your curiosity 300g (I'm only on like 20 or so runs)

[thin laurel]

selling or purging bridal glow through any means will not make you lose the bonus it gave! so don't worry abt that

[covert badge]

purging bridal doesnt downgrade the affected boon, but bridal also wont show up again in hera's boon for the entire run

[violet flicker]

Sweet thanks ❤️

Yeah I figured it was like Demeter's grow one or whatever else. Yay!

[thin laurel]

there are reasons you might want to hold onto it—i.e. if it gets rarified later it would further upgrade the boon it picked, and king's ransom interacts with bridal glow
but in general yeah it's just free gold to sell it

[neon hull]

apparently i was wrong about losing the bridal glow bonus. sorry

[violet flicker]

Oh? Ok maybe I won't offload it then. This is my first run with Hera

[thin laurel]

if it's your first run I'd say sell it!

the scenarios where holding onto it is worth it are kinda niche, i.e. getting a specific hera-zeus duo boon

[violet flicker]

I mean I just got a heroic level 3 Hera sprint out of it. So I'm 10/10 gonna put Zeus on next and see if I can get them bickering

[thin laurel]

getting the zeus duo which you'd want to save bridal glow for will also remove that heroic lv3 hera sprint, tho, so

may not be worth it?
you'd keep it if you were planning to go all in on zeus, specifically, by stacking up hera boons to sacrifice

and if bridal glow is common then you could rarify it later with hera's infusion boon to get an extra level on hera sprint
but other than that it's just free gold to sell

[violet flicker]

Not if I get a Zeus sprint sacrifice:p

[thin laurel]

you can't get offered a sacrifice for a boon which is already heroic, since sacrifice boons always get +1 rarity

[violet flicker]

Oh welp

Doomed thanks for the heads up! Back to it.

[foggy sable]

my cast doesn't last long enough for me to fully charge rank V pan what do I do

well it does but its a close shave

[craggy totem]

You don't need to fully charge it to gain benefit from it.

[foggy sable]

yeah but the extra shots seem kind of pointless at that rate

[covert badge]

you can use cast while channeling

[foggy sable]

interesting

that'll be a lot more useful if I had an aim cast id guess

who do I talk to for the ||secret aspect for Lim and Oros?||

Im guessing ||Artemis||

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[foggy sable]

any other conditions?

[tender oracle]

same as the rest, ||you need 5 nightmare spent on other aspects||

[foggy sable]

||well yeah but there are multiple places she can show up was the issue||

[tender oracle]

fyi ||she gives you the waking phrase in the underworld, not in the crossroads||

[foggy sable]

good to know

how does cut above work with the axe's omega attack?

[pallid cradle]

Every hit

[covert badge]

kinda ass without coffin ngl

[pallid cradle]

^this is extremely true. They don't drop fast enough without it so you'll keep reapplying the sword but it'll never go down

[covert badge]

its fire with arc flash btw

[foggy sable]

so you're telling me to get hephaestus

[storm glen]

base dmg is high enough to justify even without coffin

[foggy sable]

so for post-game I have ||hades/ persephone's keepsake and Chronos's, but theres still one left||

[covert badge]

check mid-region charon shop

[foggy sable]

ohhhh ||I honestly thought he just died when you won||

[cunning adder]

So it seems like jeweled pom is best to start a run with and then ditch later after 1 or 2 regions. Especially if your hades boon is life tax since that runs out. I could see keeping it longer once fully upgraded for those levels, but also I like rarity boosting for boons

[craggy totem]

You don't need to keep it for two regions. The effect stays as long as you maintain FW.

[buoyant matrix]

the effect and the hades boon persist until you break fates whim

[crude dragon]

Yeah, all the FW keepsakes persist after swapping, as long as FW is maintained

So you can go JPom into ||Chrolex|| or Card

[thin laurel]

||mom pom into grandfather clock||

[devout cairn]

🤨

[foggy sable]

just had a run with a slightly faster axe

[rotund hearth]

Thanatos?

[foggy sable]

I put it in the victory thing lol

[rotund hearth]

Btw how do you dodge the Typhon chin slam?

[nimble torrent]

i'm at mount before tyhpoon, and i've CLEARED that encounter, im at that statue, tryna invoke and it tells me '' Not now'' ?? i dont understand

[foggy sable]

it sends an attack during encounters

[rotund hearth]

You can only invoke during battle

[rotund hearth]

Any way?

[silk moth]

Lately when fighting against UR scylla i decided to just kill some of charybdis's legs first before anything else

I don't want to attack roxy while every attack is coming my way

[nimble torrent]

just dodge just before it lands ? how i do its a back /dash

[nimble torrent]

thx fellas

[silk moth]

When you see a flash of red in his horns, move down and dash

[buoyant matrix]

either iframe it or dash down

[foggy sable]

thanatos is def my favorite axe aspect

||makes me wonder how the secret one works lol||

[thin laurel]

for me (vibes based description) ||it feels most similar to the basic/Mel axe, and I'm not a huge fan||
I love Thanatos and Charon, both great, very different vibes
(and with Charon keep in mind that you can dash while channeling your special, makes it feel a lot more mobile and fun)

[foggy sable]

while im not the biggest fan of Mel's axe either im in the boat of any aspect can be fun if you get a goofy build

[thin laurel]

for sure! with Mel there's just kind of one way of playing it which I enjoy, so it feels kinda narrow
altho ig I could always ignore the attack and play a cast build or something

[foggy sable]

rush build trust

that being said i wonder who would be the best for a rush build lol

[rotund hearth]

Oh got it. So like away from him?

[thin laurel]

for me Mel axe is just a dash strike merchant
dashing heave/seething marauder + aphro dash, weave in specials, avoid the painfully slow normal attacks

[nimble torrent]

Yeah, thats how i do it, its just super ez, but not super hard either, his attack is slow

[cunning adder]

Oh. I didn't realize the level affect would persist after removing pom. Hmmmmm. But I do like my god choosing keepsakes. Grrr

[foggy sable]

charon is a bit confusing to me tbh, not the way it works but how to properly using it

[thin laurel]

with charon a lot of it is aiming I think, it has crazy range and AoE so you can spam the combo very frequently and just adjust if an enemy moves/aim to hit everyone you can

[rotund hearth]

It's really the only thing from him that does me any damage

[thin laurel]

and just certain hammers/boons
like being able to pop 2 casts with one Ωspecial if you get exceptional talent or giga cleaver (so your Ω special triggers twice in a row)

[nimble torrent]

me its the freaking thing that he shoots, its too much, everywhere. And yeah, the attack ur talk about, its the second one that was dealing to me the most damage

[foggy sable]

I remember my favorite aspect in hades 1 was ||Arthur|| so I was happy to see the fact that the axe existed in hades 2

[silk moth]

Can i ask that without Timer, are you guys patient in fighting bosses?

[cunning adder]

Oooof. The prometheus rivals fight really is can yoi dodge prometheus long enough to deal with dumbass #2

[foggy sable]

well either that or demeter

[thin laurel]

I was when I started! I take a while to learn fights
at this point nah, only if my build is really fragile, I know the patterns well enough to kind of just go for it.
for certain rivals fights at high fear I have to be patient, but then again at lower fear I tend to just take white antler vs rivals chronos lately and go ham

[nova oar]

Never

[meager walrus]

No, max dps all the time pressing buttons and going fast is fun

[silk moth]

Oh it's because in low fear I've been losing dds to rival3d bosses and it made me learn that i really have a lot to learn

[meager walrus]

I had to learn to slow down and not die

[nova oar]

Are you having trouble with vor cerb?

[foggy sable]

I didn't like the time limit in hades 1, dont like it in hades 2, cause the clock ticking down puts pressure on me and makes me make other mistakes

[silk moth]

Cerb and scylla yeah

[nova oar]

20 minutes is tons of time

[thin laurel]

I mean hey rivals is no joke
when I'm in the learning phase of a new fight I tend to be patient so I can absorb what's going on and actually learn something

[foggy sable]

oh I know that

[meager walrus]

Timer in hades 2 is usually less of an issue than hades 1 but it still matters

[thin laurel]

there's also some level of "having a sense of how much damage you deal"
i.e. you can kinda intuit "I can take out a charybdis tentacle before it has a chance to hit me with this build" sometimes and throw caution to the wind lol

[silk moth]

I'm glad UR bosses are the way they are, god knows i need something that forces me to learn something and improve

[thin laurel]

I think they're pretty much all really fun. some more so than others, and like... after dying to a charybdis featured artist phase I def get mad at that fight, but it's fun to do well

[silk moth]

I get less frustrated with hades than pvp games

[cunning adder]

I'm only super patient with rival cyclops and scylla. Scylla especially. There's so much cc that you'll get yourself stunlocked into a 6 point wombo

[thin laurel]

rivals cyclops I'm rarely patient with lol, only on some weapons
there's a lot going on but it's way more predictable than Scylla, so I can semi-reliably no-hit it where as no-hitting rivals sirens is uh... a notable event

[cunning adder]

Cyclops is fine with range. But trying to swing scythe around is... Something

[rotund hearth]

Never

Also considering my style is close combat attack then yeah. I try to wrap it up ASAP. Melt that health bar before I start taking big damage

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/m5DqSGe

[cunning adder]

Are you using circe staff?

[nova oar]

Yes

[cunning adder]

Cerb vor is only dangerous early. Dodge into the lava at the LAST second dodge back in and just melt him as fast as you can. Once the arena opens, it's just normal Cerb fight.

[cunning adder]

Damn

[broken glen]

I am pleased to inform you that hidden axe is Arthur 2

[hearty timber]

Basically I frame the ground eruption?

[cunning adder]

Yup. You can I frame all the damage on the first phase if played well. Just need tk be careful. Second phase is just normal dog basically. A bit more fire breath

[nova oar]

The only thing that normally gets me on cerb is the dash away into fire breath

If you don't have bonus sprint speed and react instantly then you get hit

[silk moth]

man i think the UR Cerb is starting to tilt me lmao

[nova oar]

What aspect, fear, and arcana?

[silk moth]

just Vow of Menace and Vow of Fangs so it's not applicable

but my arcanas are: sorceress, wayward son, excellence, persistence, unseen, the queen, the huntress, death, the champions, eternity, centaur, divinity, moon, and enchantress

no image perms so i have to list it down

[tender oracle]

no origination 💔

[nova oar]

Pretty bad arcana, use this instead
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImMxMiIsImMxMyIsImMxNCIsImMxNSIsImMxNiIsImMxNyIsImMyMSIsImMyMiIsImMyNCJd

[jolly hound]

it takes practice, also you’re gonna want to add origination to your arcana

[tender oracle]

enchantress and champions without boatman is wild
i strongly recommend swapping unseen and excellence with origination and boatman

[nova oar]

This too

As a self proclaimed vor cerb expert you desperately need better arcana

[silk moth]

will the lack of Rare+ boons not matter much?

[nova oar]

No, excellence is a terrible arcana

Same with unseen

[tender oracle]

you're already triggering divinity and the rarity isn't that big of a buff

[covert badge]

rarity in this game doesnt mean much tbh, all commons play just fine (plus proper hype train)

[tender oracle]

and swapping it for boatman also gives you fates, which is more rerolls to try to get better boons

[nova oar]

Fates whim is best tho

[craggy totem]

*except Heph boons

[red fox]

Well rarity is useful but not 5 grasp worth of usefulness

[tender oracle]

as a fates whim enjoyer myself i will respect the change of fate build

[buoyant matrix]

excellence and unseen 🥀 💔

[nova oar]

Heph is goated for high fear anyway

[silk moth]

so... i'd rather get a Magick Gain boon than rely on Unseen?

[tender oracle]

yes
get a good gain boon and you're set

[nova oar]

Yes

[red fox]

Unseen cost too much

For a aphro gain without curse

[tender oracle]

origination is the same cost for a much stronger buff

[nova oar]

People that never run origination baffle me

[tender oracle]

people see 5 cost and get scared ig 💔

[nova oar]

UNSEEN AND EXCELLENCE ARE 5 COST FOR THINGS U GET FOR FREE

[oblique hemlock]

people also don’t think about it too much

[tender oracle]

unseen sounds really really nice on paper
until you get a good gain boon and suddenly it's redundant

[buoyant matrix]

mfs run unseen, excellence, hordes3, grit3 and wards2 then wonder why they can't clear 32 fear 🥀 💔

[oblique hemlock]

i could see someone being like “eh i might get a couple curse boons but idk and im not picky about my build” so they skip orig

[buoyant matrix]

not mentioning anyone in particular, just many such cases happen

[red fox]

And it isn't regen enough magick to give up gain boon

[hearty timber]

Literally me back in EA

We didn't have jpom and fates whim back then

[buoyant matrix]

unseen is actively detrimental on like 50% of aspects because it kills huntress

[nova oar]

If I had a nickle

[hearty timber]

My 32 fear nights champion clear was pain 1 hordes 3 timer 3 grit 3 and random other vows with unseen lolll

[tender oracle]

this logic might work if curses were as uncommon as they were in hades 1
but in hades 2 it feels like they're handed out like candy in comparison lmao

[jolly hound]

me, taking hordes instead of the revenant thing at 32.. it’s me I’m mfs (literally cause revenants annoy me)

[silk moth]

it's a good card it just feels like i couldn't have an opportunity to make the bbest use of it, so i never used it

[nova oar]

You can get a curse from every god first boon

[oblique hemlock]

naw i agree. it doesn’t make sense if you think about it but i think many casual players don’t think about it

[red fox]

Heph be like

[tender oracle]

heph:

[nova oar]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[silk moth]

if you want to mock me go ahead by the way.

[nova oar]

I FORGOT ABOUT HEPH

[nova oar]

I don't care as long as you start using it now

[red fox]

I see 50% dmg bonus, i take 50% dmg bonus

[tender oracle]

L + no armor + no dings

[nova oar]

I love heph

And ares, my two baby boys

[thin laurel]

earlier someone was talking abt "it always feels bad to get heph on a jpom run" and I could not disagree more, LOVE heph

[oblique hemlock]

heph boons are so funny

BONK (1000dmg)

[nova oar]

My 60f clear was 90% epic jpom heph special

[tender oracle]

honestly? i only willingly take poms if i'm running a heph boon
ding every 2 seconds is too funny to pass up

[oblique hemlock]

i’m so happy poms reduce the cooldown instead of increasing damage or something

[nova oar]

They intentionally designed things so you could break the game

[jolly hound]

Keeps poms relevant on fates whim

[oblique hemlock]

can’t touch me, i’m a walking array of hammers ready to instakill

[thin laurel]

they're also a great source of chrolex fodder lmao

[tender oracle]

i wonder if there's a hard limit (before 0) to how short you can make the ding cooldowns

[red fox]

2s

[tender oracle]

damn. i was hoping i didn't hit the limit in that one run i did

[oblique hemlock]

negative cooldown. it starts triggering multiple times

[tender oracle]

it triggers before you attack. how does it know? uhhh blame chronos

[nova oar]

1.35 iirc

[thin laurel]

2s, 1.3 with a specific duo boon
and you get 2x blasts with another duo boon
so in practice you can get one blast per less-than-a-second on average

[oblique hemlock]

exactly

[nova oar]

You walk into a room and everything gets clanged

[tender oracle]

ding every single frame

[nova oar]

The hitlag 😭

[oblique hemlock]

heat seeking hammer

[rose shadow]

wow frenzy 2 ||zag|| is terrifying

he was hunting me down

[hallow vault]

This day Hades 2 will be nominated

[silk moth]

how useable is Flood Gain?

no reason for asking, given i sold Flood Gain for Cardio Gain

[hallow vault]

Im 90% sure it will be nominated

[oblique hemlock]

flood gain is good!

[silk moth]

wait you think so?

[buoyant matrix]

it is

[oblique hemlock]

yeah, although cardio gain is even better (usually)

guys if i made a meme of hecate being hit by a heph hammer where would i post that

[covert badge]

really good with magick-heavy builds
also prereq to king tide if you have pos on attack/special

[silk moth]

yeah i needed cardio gain bc im using the Umbral Torches with Fine Line

[buoyant matrix]

#fan-works

[oblique hemlock]

oh i would actually say that flood gain is great for that

[covert badge]

i dont think cardio is enough for fine line torches but yeah you do you

[oblique hemlock]

it works really well for torches because they’re an omega move focused weapon

ok guys if you want to see a kind of dumb meme i made about heph hammers it’s in #fan-works

snapchat is my favorite image editing software. anyway

[crude dragon]

It's pretty good. A solid third or fourth-best regen after Lucid and Born

[crude dragon]

Um

Cardio Gain is terrible for Fine Line torches, you want Born, Lucid, or Ionic

[silk moth]

whatever i give up
i still lose 2 DDs on UR cerberus anyway

like what was i supposed to do? i have no window to attack

and no don't tell me to "just Untick the level 3 rivals then 🙄 "

[crude dragon]

There are definitely windows to attack him, you just need to learn his timings

[neon barn]

I'm ngl I started playing the game on frenzy1 and the rivals bosses in underworld became really hard

Frenzy just changes the game completely

[hearty timber]

Once you have enough experience on frenzy 2 it becomes your standard game speed

[neon barn]

How did you build up experience on frenzy, frenzy2 btw, just used that modifier?

I'm ngl surface is....manageable but in underworld hecate herself is a problem 😭

[merry whale]

frenzy u kinda slam on at the start and get used to it asap

[neon barn]

Oh ok

[merry whale]

it's hard but it trains the muscle memory to where it kinda just becomes free

[neon barn]

I tried adding max hordes and grit for 40 fear but I guess that's too much to swallow at once

[merry whale]

ye hordes and grit r considered one of the hardest vows lol

esp if u have vow of time 3, it makes room clearing more strict and building more precise

[neon barn]

I used only vow1 on time

[neon barn]

I thought pain would be hardest, pain and scars

[hearty timber]

Eggxactly

[merry whale]

probably yea

[neon barn]

Is it better if I train 1 weapon at frenzy2 or just get used to all

[hearty timber]

Frenzy 2 kinda helpful to beat timer 3 as well

[crude dragon]

Only way to get experience is to run it

[merry whale]

once ur used to frenzy 2 at one wep ur kinda good to go w other weps usually

[neon barn]

Experiencing hecate on it is.....pain

[merry whale]

axe is kinda the only one that's way more specific in movement

[crude dragon]

The main thing you have to re-learn with it is dodge timings, so you can do either or

[crude dragon]

You'd think knives would be, since you have the OAttack and Trick Knives to think about

[hearty timber]

Omega heavy aspects kinda hard to run with frenzy 2 because you can't be standing around with frenzy enemies out for ur blood, that's why people prefer "safe" aspects like circe or mel staff or aspects like medea where you just kill them all before they can attack lol

[neon barn]

Somehow I have a 32 fear on UW and surface with axe, axe and torches are my best right now

[merry whale]

trick knives go brr

[hearty timber]

Regardless whatever weapon makes you comfortable run it

[neon barn]

No wonder I'm having trouble I'm using omega heavy playstyles in general 😭

[hearty timber]

Yes it requires more practice to be able to pull off omega heavy playstyles esp if you are not familiar with Frenzy 2

[neon barn]

I think that means I'll have to practice on fates whim with eternity so that I get used to it

[hearty timber]

Yessss 15 runs should be enough

[silk moth]

I dont think i understand how "Sworn Gain" works. "Whenever I run out of Magick, Prime 16 until the next location to restore all Magick"

[red fox]

It regen all your magick if you run out, then prime 16 magick

[neon barn]

If you have 100 mana and use all 100, you prime 16 and you have 100-16 = 84 mana left to use

[silk moth]

and if i run out again? another minus -16?

[red fox]

Those prime are removed on next location

[neon barn]

84-16 mana left

That goes on until all your mana is primed

[red fox]

It will keep going until you don't have magick to prime

[silk moth]

hm rough... i dont think i want to use this if i want to go for Ygnium Fine Line build

[neon barn]

It's very good but you need a big mana pool

It's high burst damage basically, you never have to do anything else like stand still or pick up an item to gain mana

You can just keep fighting and using mana with born gain, and never have to worry about it until it's over, but usually the enemies die before you are fully primed

[silk moth]

how about Ionic Gain?

[neon barn]

It's good but you need to pick up the item

[silk moth]

i dont have Unseen anymore so im very careful on what Gain boon i need to get

[neon barn]

Ionic, born gain, tranquil are great for fine line builds in my experience, I think lucid can work too

Glamour gain is really nice on the aspects which use a decent amount of mana but not that much,like omega moves on dagger and axe

Cardio gain is good if your damage is mostly from attack or specials.....Grisly gain needs lot of plasma boons ares to get more plasma drops on magic high builds

What else is there? I forgot. But most mana aspects are never bad and almost always needed imo

Oh I forgot about tough gain but imo that is not even worth talking about in a serious discussion lol

[craggy totem]

This Flood Gain erasure smdh

[neon barn]

Oops I forgot T.T

I don't use it so much on aspects outside torches though tbh...m

[crude dragon]

You definitely do, but you'll also want around 250-ish max MP or more

[rotund hearth]

Into Tartarus🥹🥹🥹

[rotund hearth]

How is every song so blasted fire?

[rotund hearth]

Forgetting my precious lucid gain are you?

[neon barn]

It's mentioned :3

I used to forget the cast button a ton earlier....so never picked it up......but now I'm getting used to it

[rotund hearth]

Oh oh lol. Then I think that's all. Does heph have a gain?

[neon barn]

Tough gain 😭 imo they need to rework it

[rotund hearth]

Once you use a cast aspect, you will hit the Q button like it owes you money

[thin laurel]

tough gain is okay ish for builds which don't use magick, since then it's just a defensive boon
but I'd generally rather use glamour gain for that

also yeah, casting is really good, tons of safety even with no boon on it 👍

[rotund hearth]

I also haven't used Ares' mana restoration with plasma yet

[crude dragon]

Tough Gain, you gain MP when taking damage and have a flat damage reduction

[neon barn]

Like I'm ngl, I got 32 fear with the damned nergal aspect easily, but I struggled most with circe to get a 10 fear clear

[red fox]

Ares gain is more a plasma boon than gain boon

[neon barn]

Is tough gain even use able at high fear

[crude dragon]

It used to be pommable, but they got rid of that because it was too funny

[icy halo]

How does Flood Gain actually work? I still don't get it

[thin laurel]

yes ish?
a lot of weapons don't use any magick at all at high fear tbh, so then it's just a small defensive bonus

[icy halo]

Omegas are refunded every now and then? But doesn't that still put you on an overall downward slope?

[rotund hearth]

Cardio is my favourite though.

[crude dragon]

It's very good if you're building into Brave Face (which desperately needs to have its prerequisites updated), but otherwise is very mediocre if it's not Heroic

[rotund hearth]

Any mana I use for omegas I get it back

[thin laurel]

you get X seconds of effectively infinite magick (increases with rarity + level)
after that's period ends, you have 8 seconds of no magick regen (can be reduced with heph + poseidon duo)
even if you run out of magick and reach zero, while flood gain is off cooldown you can always use infinite omega moves, so you never run out of magick you just have forced downtime

[crude dragon]

It's not just a refunded Omega, it's a refunded Omega that then triggers a period of uninterrupted MP regen

[thin laurel]

the big thing to realize for me was "you can still use omegas even with 0 magick" tbh
if you have 5 magick and try to use a move that costs 30, the move will go off and you'll rapidly regen to 35

[icy halo]

Oh what?? Regen?? Neat!

[crude dragon]

If you remember old Circe staff, Flood Gain is basically Serenity regen

[icy halo]

Yeah, that's the word I was looking for!

[thin laurel]

it's weird and neat, and kinda better than it sounds. x seconds of infinite magick, x seconds of no regen, can never permanently run out. pretty solid boon

[icy halo]

I totally didn't clock that it had the regen as well as the refund 😆 That finally makes total sense! Thanks y'all!

[crude dragon]

The boon description desperately needs to mention that it also triggers Magick Flood in addition to the refunded Omega

[icy halo]

Does it not say that??

Okay, I feel less silly about not getting it then 😆

[crude dragon]

Nope, just mentions the free Omega and that's it

And also the Flood duration, but no mention on the card itself of how Flood triggers

[verbal hinge]

is hostile environment nice on circe?

wish id read the description before choosing than axe to cross it off /:

[brisk island]

Does arachnes dress infuse with any shield you get?

Im thinking to do the strength run with that so i get less damage to the dress and use her keep to get as much shield as possible

[crimson sentinel]

ye, as long as you don't break your shield after getting her dress, you can stack shields on top of hers

There's even an achievement for getting to the end with her dress iirc

[brisk island]

That’s why i wanted to do that actually lol

Im looking for any damage reductions that could help at least a lil actually :p

[red fox]

Strength dmg reduction doesn't apply to armor btw

[brisk island]

It doesn’t?

That bs

Does any other damage reductions perks do that too?

[red fox]

Idk

[crimson sentinel]

I don't think they reduce the damage, you can try running arachne's trinker with low fear and some broken one shot room build

[brisk island]

Oh well at least the strength damage is still good for early game

[crimson sentinel]

ay and for the late too, global damage is global damage

[brisk island]

Even scorch get the benefits?

[crimson sentinel]

yes

[brisk island]

Good to know

[crimson sentinel]

It's a bit weird the mechanic, but basically without boosts it does the damaage equal to the time it takes to wear off, for example if it lasts 100 ticks it will do 100 damage

with a 20% global damage it will do 120 damage in those same 100 ticks

[brisk island]

Time to utilize the seed randomize mechanic for hestias attack lol

[crimson sentinel]

I'd go for something more reliable to clear rooms, but it all depends on what's fun for u :p

since scorch still takes time to do damage

[brisk island]

Well im using knives for hestia cuz apparently the speedy attack work so well with her

[crimson sentinel]

That's fair, issue with knives is that you get close to enemies and it's easier to make a mistake on what's essentialy an almost no hit run :x

They are a lot of fun tho, used them like 50% of my playthrough

[brisk island]

Also I thought max strength is %50 damage or am i misremembering?

[red fox]

It is 20% now

[brisk island]

Dam

[crimson sentinel]

I wish

[brisk island]

It probably was %50 then :p
oh well more damage is more damage

[crimson sentinel]

ayy

on the bright side I believe you only need to reach the final encounter for the achievement, not necessarily beat it

[silk moth]

normally 30 minutes

[crimson sentinel]

jfc I hate eris with every inch of my being

[thin laurel]

yeah! then you're comfortable well within timer 1 (36 minutes total)
and rather close to timer 2 speed (28 minutes), if you ever want to aim for that.
but timer 1 at the very least is just +1 fear for free

[crimson sentinel]

most annoying boss fight in the game, I wish it was hard to not have to endure with this jump spam everywhere mai god

[brisk island]

Oh thank god lol i was worried the most about that

Does brave face at least include shield?

[crimson sentinel]

same, I still haven't gotten it but I'm pretty sure u don't have to beat gramps

[crimson sentinel]

I don't think so according to the wiki

shield is meant like to be a "one" time thing to be wasted, otherwise it would overshadow stuff like the oath that makes u heal less and stuff

it still does tbh

[brisk island]

I mean i get it but damn that’s rough

[crimson sentinel]

still, silken sash is 40 shield per 10 encounters so we chillin if you no hit witch mommy

by the time you get to taylor swift and the gang you'll hopefully be able to oneshot them

[brisk island]

But i think it should be fine as long as i get as much shield as one can get
Mint condition should at the very least help with me being impervious

[crimson sentinel]

ay, + trusty shield for extra security

slap some aoe and the first region is done

I like persephone's skull with hephy attack

[brisk island]

The first region should be a good startup cuz i can build as much shield without getting hit lol

[brisk island]

Oh leveling that thing up would be so good
But I’ll leave that for when im able to fully upgrade it

[crimson sentinel]

1 mega blast with hephastus fully charges it for a good chunk of invulnerability

[silk moth]

okay damn. unrivaled prom feels easier and less tiltijg

[crimson sentinel]

fr? still the only boss that actually gives me trouble because of the hp

[brisk island]

And when you get the duo that make it happen twice if you immediately used it too

[silk moth]

when i do lose a dd from them it’s less to do with me being helpless and more to do with me being reckless. so yeah, for real

[brisk island]

I think i might need to get demeter to buy me time with difficult enemies

And origination too which is %50 more damage on top of strength and whatever else

[crimson sentinel]

ay + furies

honestly without wards and extra hp the first region is free imo

[silk moth]

also i hate to admit this but Origination helped me speed things up alot

[brisk island]

I dont enjoy em as much but i guess they do take part in the annihilation

Some arcana crafting gotta be in order that day

[crimson sentinel]

also what are these drakes and harpy hitboxes

I swear to god I fail all more precise attacks consistently on them

[brisk island]

Only problem in my plans is i have to actually care about what boons i get ō.ō

So most likely gonna turn on all rerolls

[novel cape]

should I try to recover from my Fates' Whim addiction

[thin laurel]

never

[crimson sentinel]

yes, I recommend FW anonymous

it's a safe space

[novel cape]

I find it kinda funny how with T4 VoR you usually just panic when the boss starts doing something, and then "wait is he dead already"

[buoyant matrix]

a few speedrun attempts can help since god keepsakes are still more consistent in those

[novel cape]

I'll just do some Charon's Axe runs where I don't pray to Fates that I'll get Zeus/Hestia/HowlingSoul

[crimson sentinel]

lmfao I just tried the hex nuke slowdown on the tail thing and it's hilarious

[buoyant matrix]

charon doesn't need a ranged cast bruh

[dreamy zinc]

finally, on the 213th night i have gotten the last of circes boons. it wasnt even tied to anything, it was just pure RNG bs that kept it from me for so long

[novel cape]

I just feel a lot more comfortable with it, cuz otherwise I fumble a lot

Does the cast spawn Ares's sawblade if I trigger it with Charon's axe?

[buoyant matrix]

yes

prominence flare from apollo and geyser spout from poseidon will also trigger

[novel cape]

And I assume it doesn't trigger Zeus+Apollo's duo boon?

[buoyant matrix]

geyser spout in particular is something you really want

[thin laurel]

you assume correctly

[buoyant matrix]

yeah because glorious disaster needs you to specifically channel extra magick into your ocast

[novel cape]

You know what hurts more than a breakup

Getting hit by Eris's beam twice in a single dash

[marsh spear]

Hordes3 Tartarus is so hilarious

I wish there was Hordes4

[buoyant matrix]

mod the game

[marsh spear]

Oh

[buoyant matrix]

can probably ask for it in the modding server

someone here shared a screenshot of +300% enemies which is like hordes15

[marsh spear]

HAHAHA

I wonder if it's possible to mod Ephyra to activate all doors

[buoyant matrix]

yes, hippo from speedcord did that

it took 26 minutes to get to thessaly and after he finished the run the game crashed because he had too many boons

[marsh spear]

Lol

[dreamy zinc]

where'd you find that? i need to see it

[crimson sentinel]

Can someone help me understand wounds? +50 power every 3 seconds doesn't seem amazing, what am I missing?

[limpid oar]

The tier 2 boon grievous blow (wounded enemies have a chance to take double damage) is really good

[crimson sentinel]

ay I can see that, but is that the only thing I can use wounds for?

Is there like a weapon with 2 power where the +50 would suddenly be worth it or something?

[limpid oar]

Because of the cooldown, on its own wounds is basically a weaker blitz. The tier 2 I mentioned or heinous affront is how you can make it useful

[crimson sentinel]

sounds good, thanks for the tip!

[buoyant matrix]

it's bad for bossfights but decent for encounters. the 50 power benefits from every %boost you have so you can oneshot enemies

also opens grevious blow which is undoubtedly ares's best boon

[crimson sentinel]

Sounds fun but soo rng dependant

[meager elk]

omg jackie, this is ooc but love your grace and veilguard profile. love those two games fr fr

[crimson sentinel]

Like if the fates give me hestia, hera or heph the run's pretty much over no?

[crimson sentinel]

omgg thank youu, I loved them both glad for it to be appreciated <3

[meager elk]

i havent finished stray gods yet cuz i got distracted by hades lmao

[crimson sentinel]

understandable, both gorgeous games

[buoyant matrix]

what's rng about it? wounds charges consistently every 3 seconds lol

[meager elk]

they meant rng to get the t2 of wounds

[buoyant matrix]

regarding grevious, you usually put wounds on the button you're not primarily using. grevious is to boost your main damage source

[crimson sentinel]

ay

• getting the other gods to synergy with

[crimson sentinel]

can I like apply wounds with ares special and get it to boost aphrodite's attack for example?

[buoyant matrix]

only with grevious blow, that's why the boon is so good

[crimson sentinel]

I can kinda see how it works, still not my jam

but tbf I miss my old ||Ares|| so maybe I'm biased

[buoyant matrix]

yeah ares is kinda mid lol
grevious blow and heinous affront are the only reasons bro sees some usage in high level play

[crimson sentinel]

I was trying out nergal and cried a bit when I only found ares everywhere without the magic boon

[upper siren]

He has other boons that give plasma, and if you can find Hera, their duo is pretty nice even with a single bad plasma boon.

[crimson sentinel]

Is plasma any decent? 10% attack speed for a quick encounter doesn't seem worth it unless I'm misunderstanding it

[upper siren]

As for Ares' attack/special. It's one of the highest damaging options for normal rooms, up there with Hera & Apollo, the rest of Ares' kit also makes him stronger against bosses compared to those 2 as well. He's just overall an amazing damage support.

[crimson sentinel]

oh I see

[thin laurel]

it's nice when stacked with ares legendary or hera duo
I find it underwhelming when I don't go all in, but ik some people like it a lot, esp on certain weapons

[hasty ocean]

the real build-around boon for Ares is Grievous Blow

[hard bane]

game of the year nominees announced in a few hours lol

[upper siren]

It's attack speed, channel speed and movespeed all in 1. Hera's duo with Ares makes you always have 20+. If you have a fast weapon you generate a lot of plasma.

[hearty idol]

does Hordes effecting mini mobs on bosses during the fight?

[buoyant matrix]

only in unrivaled cerberus

[tranquil wren]

wait really

that's messed up

[buoyant matrix]

yes, menace affects them too

[tranquil wren]

how have I never noticed that

[storm glen]

because you proabbly assumed it was just supposed to spawn satura

[tranquil wren]

hmm yea

[buoyant matrix]

four of those projectile throwing skeletons with a satyr and an hourglass 🥰 🌹

[inland turret]

Chronos sure loves his hour glasses

It's almost as if he's the arbiter of time itself!

[glacial light]

😂

[astral canyon]

yall think ||fighting zagreus|| pretty much before ||typhon|| is worth it?

[glacial light]

No

[meager elk]

for style points, yes

[glacial light]

That's a I'm having a good start of run and am confident thing

[glacial light]

-_- (off topic but zephyr rate my status XD)

[formal lichen]

Just joined because I'm very mildly saddened that Legendary Apollo doesn't synergize with the aspect of Momus
Like that would have been so cool...

[glacial light]

Yeah only the first one fires twice T-T

[meager elk]

the hashtag makes it strangely funny 😆

[glacial light]

We decided ending it with a hashtag was funny #h2-builds-and-combat message

[formal lichen]

and it also doesn't work with Fine Line, which means it probably also doesn't work with the other "On Ω Move" boons
Gods forbid Momus does anything, literally

[glacial light]

Yeah but you know what does work with fine line the hammer for skull T-T

[scenic gust]

some Duo boons are CURSED. I'm dissing about you Hestia/Poseidon duooooo. And Brave Face too. One is needed but not shown, one is not but shown anyway

[formal lichen]

Okay at this point I'm just going to test stuff with Momus, because it does count the duplicated Ω Cast as a cast for Lucid Gain

[dusty bane]

One thing i was hoping for in hades 2 that we didn't get was an endless mode. I saw there was a mod for that in hades 1 but i think a cool way to implement it would be to make each loop/region/whatever it may be have a higher minimum fear than the last

[formal lichen]

That would actually be really nifty
However
I raise you one (1) Hasty Retreat

[dusty bane]

Oof yeah lmao. There would definitely have to be some other ways of balancing it, maybe it forces you to give up boons in some way, like a stronger underworld customs

And maybe the base enemies get stronger in addition to the fear

[unkempt scroll]

This is the first time I've ever completed a run and had Hecate be the biggest source of damage

[formal lichen]

Alright so Geyser Spout works with Momus???

[nova oar]

It do be like that

[unkempt scroll]

Lunar ray is something

[nova oar]

Yes

[dusty bane]

I think it would be cool if there was a duo boon for Athena and Dionysus

Like not them with all the other gods just with each other

[nova oar]

As long as they don't make it required for anything like the list or an acheivment

[dusty bane]

Why's that? I wouldn't think it would be that much extra hassle?

But wait, you'd have to already have a boon from each and then encounter one again? Which wouldn't make sense. But they could change that rule i guess

Similarly i think instead of the special hex on the aspect of Selene should be Godsent by artemis instead of Ares. But perhaps without requiring you to actually encounter Artemis

[glacial light]

Ayyyyy it's bestie who got me doing 60f (technically)

[nova oar]

Nah we don't talk about 'him' anymore

[glacial light]

I'm talking bout you silly 😭

[nova oar]

The problem is all of these are pure rng

[nova oar]

All I did was talk **** but better

[glacial light]

And that got me to improve by taking off strength with death

[nova oar]

As you should

[glacial light]

I just run judgement now /j

[formal lichen]

Cut Above works on the Momus Ω Moves

[glacial light]

That it does same with arc flash

Tho blitz has a icd

[cobalt radish]

damn getting beaten by scylla in late game is really embarrassing 😭

[split shuttle]

(62f) one dd coming into chronos, antlered it, 3 mins on timer, am i cooked?

[nova oar]

Yes

[split shuttle]

ok yeah i died at p2, ass dmg tbh

nyx hitch specials aphro cast and thats literally my orig and dmg

it was a good run

[formal lichen]

Meat Grinder also works with Momus

[hallow vault]

Ngl i Hades 2 has a decent shot at Goty

[nova oar]

No it doesn't

[hallow vault]

Critics love it and rated it higher then any other Game this year

[cedar nimbus]

expedition 33 or silksong by a large margin will get goty

[hallow vault]

Since 90% of votes are critics it could have a shot

Nah its Not that large

[cedar nimbus]

my opinion is it is

[neon barn]

Im fine if exp33 gets it......not silksong tho

[hallow vault]

Every Potential nominee is atleast a 9/10

[cedar nimbus]

especially with the botched launch of hades 2

[hallow vault]

Which is Crazy btw

I cant remember a more stacked Year lol

[formal lichen]

would actually love to see Skong get GotY

[hallow vault]

Best Soundtrack will be a crazy Battle between E33 and 2 Goated Indie composers

[cedar nimbus]

yeah they all have some amazing songs

[hallow vault]

Cause im Totally honest now idfk who gonna win in Best Art direction and best Soundtrack

[inland turret]

I'm pretty sure ghost of yotei or dispatch will get goty definitely not skong or e33

Ghost of yotei has highest chance

[cedar nimbus]

i also dont think dispatch is goty material

its good, but not goty. not this year.

[hallow vault]

Naaah im like 60% e33 30% Silksong and the other 10% tge Other nominees

[inland turret]

Yes but will definitely get atleast best story of smth

[cedar nimbus]

e33 is best story

[inland turret]

Ghost of yotei exists

[hallow vault]

Best Art direction and Soundtrack idfk

[inland turret]

Hell nahh

[hallow vault]

Cause Silksong is Beautiful with a Peak Soundtrack Se33 Looks like paintings and has one of the best Soundtracks

[inland turret]

Ghost of yotei..exists

[hallow vault]

And Darren Korb and Jen Zee locked in in Hades 2

[inland turret]

My vote is on ghost of yotei

[hallow vault]

I Hope Hades 2 gets nominates

Idc about the Rest Just to hear the Hades 2 part in the Orchestra

[inland turret]

To hell with all the indie games bro 😞✌️

They r good but the competition is just too high

[hallow vault]

I mean Hades's Part was Out of tartarus

[buoyant matrix]

it's amazing but I don't think it can compete with skong and e33

[inland turret]

I think it's the other way around

Because skong is well..2d and e33 is turn based

[unreal hare]

Goty contenders are gonna be dkb, hades 2, silksong, e33, blue prince and then kingdom come or ghost of yotei

[hallow vault]

Hades 2 Part of the Orchestra will go Crazy

[buoyant matrix]

critics care about neither of those

[unreal hare]

Real

[inland turret]

Tell me the last time a 2d game won goty even if we all vote for it you do realise our vote counts for only 10% actually it comes from critics which value 3d

[hallow vault]

Pls if its there pls pls pls be Olympus aflame

[inland turret]

And e33 turn based is nowhere near as good as baldurs gate

So don't even compare 😂✌️

[hallow vault]

🙏🙏🙏

[buoyant matrix]

mate that's your personal opinion, everyone and their mother is glazing e33 on the internet

[hallow vault]

I Would pay to hear Olympus aflame live earlier

Even if its just like 10-20 Seconds

[buoyant matrix]

i hope hades 2 does win something at the end of the day

[inland turret]

You are telling me e33 combat is better than baldurs gate? You're joking!

[nova oar]

Not as big as e33 or skong

[hallow vault]

I would love to see Darren or Jen lift anything cause they have been carrying Supergiant since day 1

[nova oar]

It's not gonna happen, the studio isn't big enough

[hallow vault]

Well they are still sucessfull

[inland turret]

Finally someone who isn't on ridiculous amounts of copium

[hallow vault]

Hades 2 is still in top 20 top Sellers on Steam and was on Switch 2 top 5 for Like 4-5 weeks

[inland turret]

No indie game has ever won goty and that is not about to change this year my friends

[hallow vault]

Plus the 4 Million sold Units during EA

[inland turret]

Sales are not equivalent to quality

[hallow vault]

It will

[inland turret]

Cope

[hallow vault]

Well true but Hades 2 has high Quality

[inland turret]

I agree but its a top down indie rogue-like

[hallow vault]

Its impressive actually how much Quality it has

Plus u feel the Budget increase like alot

[buoyant matrix]

i don't like overtly complicated RPGs so honestly yeah

[inland turret]

Hm fair enough

[hallow vault]

Sequel to THE Indie Darling of 2020

But it wont win cause E33 and Silksong had bigger launches

Silksong literally brokenever Store

[inland turret]

Hades 2 is an amazing game but this year just had so many 10/10s

[hallow vault]

Yeah crazy Year

[inland turret]

In the end,we are the real winners

[hallow vault]

So Crazy that Hades 2 and Silksong Launched in the span of 5 weeks

[astral birch]

what even current year had besides expedition and hades 2

[inland turret]

We got to play all these amazing games

[inland turret]

Silksong ghost of yotei

[hallow vault]

And then u have games Like BallXpit and absolum and Megabonk inbetween

[inland turret]

Absolum is ok ig

[hallow vault]

So many backlog Games man 😭

[astral birch]

Ghost of yotei does not exist for me because it's not available on pc

[hallow vault]

Now Dispatch

[astral birch]

Ok, i understand why people would like silksong, even though i never liked the first game and dropped it after 30-40 minutes

[inland turret]

Dispatch

[inland turret]

How unfortunate

[nova oar]

Ur on some mad copium

[astral birch]

Is not dispatch more of like visual novel with some small management?

[pallid cradle]

The only award it could win is indie GotY but even there it has to compete with Silksong.

[nova oar]

I love the game to death but the others just have more people invested in it

[inland turret]

Very true

[pallid cradle]

Not like the award means much. Coming off a year where "Astrobot" was named GotY.

[inland turret]

Yes it is it's like detroit become human if anyone remembers that game

[inland turret]

LMAO 😂

[buoyant matrix]

astro deserved that award

[pallid cradle]

God I wish I could send gifs.

Geoff turns into that gif of that Key and Peele skit where the dude sweats profusely when he has to think about giving the award to a turn based game. Probably still has PTSD about BG3

[astral birch]

so sadly another game that i won't like since i never enjoyed visual novels or story games based on making decisions 🙁

[split shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-running-hustle-run-away-cats-kittens-gif-13070399

[inland turret]

What do you enjoy

[buoyant matrix]

probably semi interactive movies like god of war Ragnarok 😂 👌 🔥 💯
(this is a joke)

[astral birch]

I wish i knew i myself, but i usually at least try every game that has some kind of extensive gameplay requiring from to focus on game, but don't make you overthink

[inland turret]

Pfff 😂😂😂

[inland turret]

You mean open world games?

[split shuttle]

embed fail 💔

[astral birch]

Also not, because i usually get bored by those, like i dropped rebirth in 3 or 4 act/chapter whatever it was

I simply want game that keeps me focused without making me overthinking about story

But games often turn out to be boring for me, like i don't understand why hades 2 was not one of those games, but it just is

[buoyant matrix]

hack and slash games like dmc and ninja gaiden tend to do that well

[astral birch]

Even in hades 1 i spent only 40 hours before i became tired of it

[pallid cradle]

I enjoy ARPGs. Grim Dawn and Last Epoch are currently my choice for top 2.

[hallow vault]

Yes i am

Im huffing it Harder then anything else 😭

Hades 2 is Peak cause Ben Starr is in it

[pallid cradle]

Ben Starr from Balatro?

[hallow vault]

E33 too thats why its also Peak and Silksong doenst have him

But it has "SENSIMOO" instead

[pallid cradle]

I don't like silksong boss design and I loved the original hollow knight. I even did speedruns

[nova oar]

Silksong was too easy for it to be goty for me

Never had the money for e33

[pallid cradle]

I haven't played e33

[tranquil wren]

same, even though it's probably really good

[pallid cradle]

Life has been too busy for the last few months for me to invest into an RPG I know is long.

[astral birch]

i got bored of e3 in like last part of story

[pallid cradle]

I'm shocked I was able to 100% the map in Spider-Man Miles Morales recently

[astral birch]

The small changes and extra buttons requied to be pressed during fights they introduce through game were interesting

But at some point even interactive turn-based combat becomes boring

[hallow vault]

Hades 2 consumed me man

Like im on my way to 500 Hours i Played Nearly 500 hours this Year

Thats how much i Love Hades 2

[pallid cradle]

I'm over 500 but about 450 of it was early access. I've been chilling out on it lately.

[hallow vault]

I thought they could never top Hades for me 😭 which i have around 420-450 hours in

[hallow vault]

Even when im not playing it the Soundtrack is there

Can Anyone blame me

Its not my fault that Darren Korb went crazy in that one

[tranquil wren]

and the various artists brought along! the skill is insane

[pallid cradle]

Hades 2's soundtrack is really good. The first game also had an amazing soundtrack tho so it was kinda to be expected.

[tranquil wren]

olympus aflame is genuinely like, top 5 for me oat

[pallid cradle]

I actually have my save basically 100% and one of the first things I did was unlock the whole soundtrack at guitar shade 😂

[nova oar]

The soundtrack for 2 is hella mid tho

Still prefer h1 and even then there's only a few songs I like

[tranquil wren]

it's okay luthien, you don't have to ragebait anymore

[pallid cradle]

I have to imagine this is what it's like writing for IGN.

[tranquil wren]

(I'll still never understand how you don't enjoy H2's soundtrack or even most of H1's)

although I am curious to know what kind of music you do like

[pallid cradle]

I'm a hip-hop/rap fan and I still think Hades 1 and 2 have insanely good soundtracks.

[nova oar]

https://youtu.be/YFGG_-3RLgA?si=PaGpXKEi8-Cgz0VB
One of my favs atm but it's alot of metal/deathcore

[muted marten]

just did great chaos above, not realizing the steam achievement was for doing great chaos below
there goes 2 hours of my life (it was fun though)

[nova oar]

Not even bait I genuinely just don't really like it 😭

[muted marten]

h2 music is either very mid or peak imo

sightless shepard and all the scylla songs are peak, cant really say anything else caught my attention

[tranquil wren]

olympus aflame? end of time? time belongs to us?

[devout cairn]

with the exception of thessaly i like all of the Surface OST

but i cant remember most of the uw OST so maybe that's not a good sign for it!

it's fine though there's not a single game which i like all of the songs, or even the majority of them, most of them time they are just background noise

[simple scroll]

ngl i was really hoping that ||when we reach olympus for a 2nd time, there would be a different god aside from apollo waiting for us||

[tranquil wren]

there is ||demeter|| on the last few runs

[simple scroll]

||and it would be a different god everytime we get up there||

only a small complaint though ||i very much dont mind listening to apollo's godly singing voice||

OH WAIT ||GRANDMOTHER IS THERE||

[devout cairn]

he's kind of annoying

[astral birch]

I can partly agree with you since in my opinion the only good boos theme is one for sirens, while ||surface|| music sucks in general

But siren's song is 🔥

[long silo]

Can you purge the onion with the chrolex

[tranquil wren]

yes

[long silo]

The first one from the vow

[tranquil wren]

yes

[long silo]

Totally missed that dang thank you

[late zenith]

h2 defly has better sound tracks
I was so surprised by how I was vibing with every osts

[tranquil wren]

typically you start with jpom though, but in region 2 and 3 it's good to purge them

[long silo]

Yep ima be doing that I just got half way through the boats and I was like wait could I have purged that onion... doing it on Olympus tho

[dusty bane]

I still haven't found the seeker perk I'm gonna frickin... return to shadow, now.

[buoyant matrix]

yeah a few of them including seeker are quite rare

[dusty bane]

Been playing with fangs 2 and hordes 3. Anything else i can do to help it?

[meager walrus]

Hordes does nothing besides slow you down

[dusty bane]

😮‍💨

[craggy totem]

Is that one of the miniboss perks?

[tranquil wren]

yea

homing projectile

[dusty bane]

Ohhhh i see, I'll try taking more miniboss rooms when i can

[glacial light]

Yeah that's cuz it only spawns on like 2 enemys

[glacial light]

Its 4

[dusty bane]

Oh wait i might have just gotten it? I'll have to wait and see till the end of the run. It wasn't a miniboss room though, but it said prophecy fulfilled, and the only ones i have left are that and double all random chaos. Maybe i got a new prophecy i had already done? Idk what i would have even done just there that would foretell a prophecy though

[glacial light]

Its not only in miniboss rooms it's in any room

[tranquil wren]

oh wait I misread escalier's question

[glacial light]

It spawns on those 3 way shooters in Thessaly and some others

[glacial light]

Spreading missinformation on the internet again smh

[dusty bane]

Oh ok niftycool 👍

[glacial light]

All perks spawn in rooms with enemy's that have armour except mini boss rooms(not 100% sure on this bit) some perks are locked to certain creatures tho

[outer valve]

easiest way to get kudos, besides trading ashes and psyche?

like material wise, anything that i dont really need in late game

[buoyant matrix]

take hecuba and run whatever weapon has bone thirst

[jolly hound]

you can sell pretty much everything once you've unlocked greatest gift of gaia

worst case you gotta farm two or three more flowers or whatever if you get a new incantation, who cares

[outer valve]

i see

this helps
thank you both very much

[cunning adder]

Hit chaos with hecuba too. Thalamus sells for a ton

[glacial light]

Selling first 2 region ores

[modest dirge]

for nergal should i be spamming omega super

[fair patrol]

started new save and then got exceptional talent third run

[hallow vault]

Best Soundtrack is stacked man

Hades 2
Silksong
E33 😭😭

[hollow acorn]

lets goo hades 2

[fair patrol]

minecraft

[hollow acorn]

best indie nom along with e33 and silksong

[fair patrol]

e33 is not an indie

[hollow acorn]

🤷‍♂️

[hallow vault]

Best Indies man

[hollow acorn]

it got nommed unless it went too fast and i misheard

[hallow vault]

Ball X Pit
Absolum
Blue Prince
Hades 2
E33
Silksong

[hollow acorn]

hes going quick lol

[fair patrol]

it did get nominated for indie game but it's not an indie

[hallow gate]

Congrats on GOTY nom!!!

[hollow acorn]

lfg goty nom

[hallow gate]

Easy choice for me!!!

[hallow vault]

LETS GOOO ORCHESTRA WILL PLAY A HADES 2 THEMW

Crazy how Hades 2 is nominated in many categories

[hollow acorn]

Bro what is that frame ☠️ @hallow gate

[hallow gate]

God forbid I kick my feet a little

[hallow vault]

It has a shot at Best Soundtrack and best Action and best Indie ngl

[hollow acorn]

I apologize

[scenic gust]

H2 GOTY nom. Wow, really surprised.

[hallow gate]

i'm not!!

[silk moth]

"Melinoe Help Us" spoilers ||hey so about using the engraved pin. do i just have to trigger "Doom Averted" regardless on whether i actually cleared the encounter in less than 10 seconds or not||

[hallow vault]

Pls pls pls Orchestra

[fair patrol]

I LOVE CHARON

[hallow vault]

GAME AWARDS ORCHESTRA CHOOSE OLYMPUS AFLAME AS THE SAMPLE AND MY LIFE IS YOUUUURS

[fair patrol]

going to fight chronos now

[real dock]

only one testament left..

[hallow gate]

||just do it for the four encounters in a row, die on the fourth||

[fair patrol]

do you guys think I can beat chronos on my first attempt

[silk moth]

||regardless of whether i clear the Doom timer in less than 10 seconds or otherwise||?

[outer valve]

why did exp 33 get nominated as an indie

[hallow gate]

i really dont know what you mean, whats the otherwise in this scenario

[outer valve]

tgaa is gonna be so one sided 💔

[hallow gate]

you either do it or you dont

[real dock]

lose a dd

[fair patrol]

nope I died

[hallow gate]

oh i just took my dd off for this thought it was kinda logical lol

[real dock]

idk i think you should ||clear it in the last 10 seconds|| ive never seen anyone do it any other way and i know that works

[silk moth]

it's fine i got it ||i was worried that i should have let the timer run out to count as +1 for the requirement. but turns out it doesn't matter if i actually avert it or not, it just needs the Doom Averted to be triggered||

[hallow gate]

but why would you|| let the timer run out, the run would just end unless youre talking about the last room||

if you got it tho nice work

[silk needle]

I really wish Hades 2 would get GOTY but expedition will get it 100%

[silk moth]

||because i forgot to turn off my DDs so i just purposely remove the DDs by lettin the timer run out thrice||

[real dock]

||the run doesnt end you just lose a dd||

[hallow gate]

oh okay it all comes back to death defiances, got it

[real dock]

||when you have pin on, it triggers before your dds. after it runs out, it takes the first dd as if you didnt have pin on||

[hallow gate]

yeah makes sense, i never actually really used moros keepsake before doing that

[real dock]

its very strong

[hallow gate]

im more of a strength enjoyer on my arcana cards

[real dock]

i mean for high fear its very strong

[hallow gate]

yeah if it didnt disable strength maybe i'd use it more

[quaint prawn]

As long as there is delusion there is hope 🙏

[fair patrol]

silksong

[silk needle]

hell nah

[fair patrol]

???

[silk needle]

silksong is straight bs

[fair patrol]

SILKSONG GOT NOMIATED FOR GOTY

NO WAY

[real dock]

what a surprise

[tranquil wren]

goty is not that deep
imo it's a toss up between silksong and e33

[hard bane]

Hades 2 got nominated for Game of The Year, Best Action, Best Indie Game, Best Score and Music, and a couple more

[real dock]

dont get ragebaited

i have hades 2 over silksong for goty but i understand silksong. also never played expedition 33

[tranquil wren]

tbf I can understand people hating silksong

[real dock]

nah

[thin laurel]

I can understand ppl hating any game, it’s just funny af to think your personal tastes matter for goty when it’s insanely popular among people who aren’t you

[tranquil wren]

hating hades 2 is crazy though

[craggy totem]

The world would be a funny old place if only my personal favorites got nominated for and awarded GOTY

I think that the world should give it a try though. For kicks and giggles.

[hard bane]

is hades 2 an action adventure this is a dumb question i know i know

[craggy totem]

Genres are fake and straight

[devout cairn]

If my favorite games were nominated for goty we'd be living in an utopia frfr

[tranquil wren]

lmao nice

[hard bane]

I’m gonna vote for Silksong for any categories its in but i’m gonna vote for Hades 2 if theres a category that doesnt share silksong in it

[quaint prawn]

I had to watch Hades lose to TLOU2 5 years ago at TGA and I truly fear history will repeat again 💔

[hard bane]

e33 finna sweep harder than baldurs gate

It would be really funny if Hades 2 stole game of the year outta the pocket since its the highest rated game

[real dock]

highest rated where?

[tranquil wren]

steamdb probably

[hard bane]

Metacritic of 2025

[real dock]

definitely not

[hard bane]

95 Metacritic, for comparison -

Clair Obscur - 92
Silksong - 91

metacritic is what matters 90% of the time

[tranquil wren]

metacritic takes reviews from a bunch of sources right? or no

[quaint prawn]

Hey I’ll take what I can get

[craggy totem]

That's what the Meta part means, yeah, like a meta-analysis.

[hard bane]

It takes critic reviews and hey who do you think votes for game of the year (10% of votes are from players)

[tranquil wren]

ah nice
I think skong is lower because of the poor chinese translation that hurt its reviews

[hard bane]

No it’s because of some low ass critic scores

Has nothing to do with localisation thats steam reviews these critics purely focus on games

[quaint prawn]

How much do you think players would have to vote in order to have a significant impact on voting?

[silk hound]

Hello, I can't decide which build to go with in the game, so I want to try it out on a completed save. It's a bit silly to ask for this here, but could you help me with the game's full save file?

[devout cairn]

Thank God its only 10% weight from the general audience, I hate the general audience

[hard bane]

Yea screw the general audience

[craggy totem]

Just try it out in game? Editing save files sometimes MAJORLY screws up your game progression. The game actively encourages you to experiment yourself. It's okay to try different builds out.

[hard bane]

“GAMERS SHOULD VOTE FOR GAME OF THE YEAR!!” The gacha game devs bribing their players to vote for them:

[hollow acorn]

general audience is the reason lion king 2019 grossed a billion i dont trustthem either

[thin laurel]

to be clear Hades 2 isn’t really a game where you choose a single build for your whole playthrough. that’s actively hard to do and not how the game tends to work 🤷
it’s a roguelike, your build is going to end up different every run, so in general I’d just embrace that

[stuck briar]

No Judy Alice Lee (Melinoë) for Best Performance at the Game Awards NOOOOO

[hard bane]

Critics are less biased (say whatever you want), play ALL OF THE GAMES mentioned in the nominees, do a careful voting process

[buoyant matrix]

there's a full save available in the game's page on speedrun.com

[silk hound]

Do I not have the option to use the second save slot selected at the start of the game?

[devout cairn]

I will always trust critics over the masses, y'all have no taste I'm sorry (I'm special and unique)

[hard bane]

Also if all votes were gamers, oh hey whats social media I could just bribe my fans for votes for ingame content (since gamers are less biased btw)

[craggy totem]

Ah, misunderstood what you were asking for. You can use the different save slots, yes. (But I would still strongly encourage you to just try things out!)

Unlike Hades 1, it's much easier to level up all of the weapon types -- MUCH easier.

[silk hound]

I know, but let's just say I got a little annoyed with Eris and the little mouse.

[hard bane]

I can’t name one GOTY that was an robbery really, no RDR2 wasn’t one

[empty bridge]

If they are able to rewrite the games plot & ending, do yall think they’ll revise certain side character arcs?

[craggy totem]

In Hades 1, I only ever max-leveled two weapon aspects lmao. But I got every single weapon aspect maxed in Hades 2.

[tranquil wren]

same lol

[hollow acorn]

titans blood was hard to come by

[devout cairn]

I was gonna say it takes two but that entire nominee list was trash

[hard bane]

I can’t name much flaws for hades 2 imma be real Silksong needed some more baking in the voting to reduce tedious difficulty a bit but the patches sorta fixed most issues

[craggy totem]

The game's ending wasn't rewritten, it was only tweaked, and we don't know how far ahead they had that in the can.

[devout cairn]

Not a good year 2021 was

[quaint prawn]

Gacha player here (sorry), it’s true, but on a personal note I do pick based on whether or not I have enjoyed the game, bribery is just a plus. Not sure I can say the same for others tho

[hard bane]

3 gacha games got Players Voice category in 2024

[stuck briar]

Melinoë deserved a nomination for Best Performance/Voice Actor

[next fern]

because it’s an indie

[stuck briar]

Bruh

[fair patrol]

published by kepler

[hard bane]

Also if you made a game in a specific country lets say China, thats gonna be real popular there and they have more people which is unfair for other countries for voting, Has there been an case of this? yes Black Myth Wukong 2024

[hollow acorn]

is this like a the bear/best comedy situation

[hard bane]

Double A*

[next fern]

what

[craggy totem]

Like, some people were complaining "oh they bowed to player backlash" but... we genuinely have no confirmed idea what the timeline was, and less than a month turnaround time on edits that included full voice acting, a new game mechanic, programming, art, etc. seems... tight. I won't say game studios wouldn't crunch to make it happen, but it seems pretty tight.

[hard bane]

yes its double A

Has 10M Budget
100 people worked on the game with 33 being the devs and 8 animators
Backed by Microsoft, French Government and a bit more
Has an publisher

[empty bridge]

That is what it means to rewrite something,

[hollow acorn]

it felt like a rough and final draft to me (so a rewrite)

[hard bane]

i didn’t get there yet i’m super close I just am studying heavily for aerospace engineering so I cant game alot

[oblique hemlock]

where can we vote for goty?

[craggy totem]

We'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. To me "rewrite" implies starting from scratch, not "editing".

[hard bane]

the game awards website

[tranquil wren]

on the game awards website

[quaint prawn]

At the very least there a fair amount of indie games getting recognition this year

[oblique hemlock]

yipee thx

[empty bridge]

Aside from game awards being worthless popularity contests anyway, and not measures of objective quality, I thought Sekiro winning over DMC5 was kind of unfair but I don’t really care otherwise

[tranquil wren]

sekiro was genuinely peak

[hollow acorn]

would you consider it a revision then

[devout cairn]

Can't believe nightreign didn't get nominated for goty as a practical joke

[hard bane]

sekiro’s difficulty is what made it won GOTY

[quaint prawn]

We’ll also get to hear Hades 2 music played by the orchestra :D

[thin laurel]

yeah this is also how I’d define it. if someone told me they rewrote their novel I would assume they scrapped their draft, not revised it.
it’s just semantics tho ofc 🤷

[hard bane]

Silksong has issues with unfair ways to increase difficulty but most got tweaked

[tranquil wren]

more so its combat and stellar art direction, no?

[empty bridge]

Im just using the definition I found of the word

[hallow vault]

Into tartarus

[hollow acorn]

i went to look for synonyms and i think revision fits more than rewrite

[hard bane]

No like it was that yeah but you know a difficult game needs sekiro/elden ring type of difficulty execution to win

[hallow vault]

Soundtrack Gameplay and Art direction

[hard bane]

I kinda worded that terribly mb

[hollow acorn]

honestly once u realize how op architect is the bosses melt

[hard bane]

Architect is inconsistent and needs alot of grinding (ah yes Grinding in a metroidvania)

[devout cairn]

I don't remember a single song from sekiro, definitely was no old hunters ost that's for sure

[tranquil wren]

or just wanderer spam
but that doesn't make the difficulty fun though

[empty bridge]

Which is weird because it isn’t all that difficult

[merry echo]

Damn i want hades 2 to win goty but with e33 around ig not

[empty bridge]

Neither is DMC5 but that game begs to be replayed on its higher difficulties anyway

[hard bane]

Silksong is like a 9/10 with its flaws imo since most got patched but it really needed a bit more time in the oven just for the reason of playtesting more

[quaint prawn]

I’d honestly kill for a full orchestra play through of the Hades soundtrack, a la Undertale yknow, maybe one day?

[hollow acorn]

is the point drop from beastfly

[hard bane]

didnt struggle with that guy at all

[tranquil wren]

I'm hoping for olympus aflame or time belongs to us at tga

[thin laurel]

what counts as a fun vs unfair feeling level of difficulty is also p subjective tho.
I’ve def seen more skilled players than me enjoy skong’s difficulty curve less for various reasons

[hard bane]

There’s Savage Beastfly then there’s obscure bad game design

[hollow acorn]

i think rivals typhon was worse than any silksong boss

[tranquil wren]

rivals typhon is fun
groal made me hate myself

[empty bridge]

And DMC5 is like the easiest dmc

But I’ve never understood this overstated sentiment of these souls games being difficult. Especially Sekiro considering it’s probably just the first time most people have played that type of game

The game would be a lot different had it not let you negate damage with non-perfect blocks

[empty bridge]

Groal is PEAK

[hollow acorn]

[tranquil wren]

found team cherry's alt acc

[oblique hemlock]

hades 2 music is so peak. from the way they adapted from the first game to how the different motifs are called is just

[quaint prawn]

Might be a bit of a high hope but I’d love to hear Sightless Shepherd and see the flute guy absolutely shred it

[empty bridge]

Filtered by one of the greats

[hollow acorn]

bro we found GROALS account

[hardy stone]

What’s the best pet for endgame grinding? I’ve finished the Renewal Project and only have to move up the ranks.

[empty bridge]

Nah I probably like the game less than you. But Groal was fun

[hard bane]

Groal isn’t that bad just hard to study

[devout cairn]

People liked this in the past but imo it's hurting character action games more than helping nowadays. I think the fact that souls games start "hard" right off the bat helps them

[thin laurel]

groal is unremarkable but fine, and tarnished by a bad runback 🤷
the boss itself is fun enough but not a standout imo. hard carried by how memorable bilewater is, also harder to enjoy by how frustrating bilewater can be depending on factors like when you go there and whether you find the second bench

[oblique hemlock]

is anyone else getting rate limited on the game awards website lol

[tranquil wren]

even the runback from the second bench is piss poor

the fight itself is braindead easy, just stay in the water and he can't touch you. it's just such a bad design though

[stuck briar]

Unfortunately Hades 2 is gonna lose to Expedition 33 for GOTY. I really do feel if Hades 2 was released last year it would’ve won

[quaint prawn]

It’s super slow rn I think ur better off waiting for maybe an hour

[oblique hemlock]

gotcha

[thin laurel]

iirc I second tried groal…? and it was a moderately fun fight, in a vacuum. not a standout but not bad at all. I didn’t cheese it by standing in the water (because that would be boring and I saw it online and didn’t want to use an idea which wasn’t mine unless I was stuck)
runback would have gotten to me of it took me a lot more tries tho

[quaint prawn]

I am delusional enough to HOPE

[tranquil wren]

I figured out the water thing by myself tyvm

[empty bridge]

I wouldn’t see how. Both of these games incentivize you to replay them anyhow, what with the lack of Kuro’s charm on NG+ + you’re probably not done completing Dante’s/Nero’s/V’s moveset by the time you’re done with either human or devil hunter.

And I’ve never been one to think any of these souls games are hard. Especially not elden ring, and open world game

[hollow acorn]

runback + flying enemies + gauntlet = 💔

[thin laurel]

oh that wasn’t a dig at you, just my personal reason for not wanting to do it! saw complaints abt groal before I knew who tf groal was lol.
idk if I would have thought of the water thing on my own

[tranquil wren]

mandatory maggot infestation 🥀

[hard bane]

The runback after the secret bench isnt that bad I think Bilewater does exactly what its supposed to do but they make it mandatory to go there with a puzzle filled with bad game design

[cunning adder]

Surely the best booms for anubis would be either Apollo for size or demeter, right? Freeze them in the circle

[tranquil wren]

yeah ik haha, I was just being silly

[empty bridge]

Half of what made that memorable to me anyway was the fact I optimized the run back/quite like silksongs movement and hunters crest

[tranquil wren]

scorch goes crazy on anubis atk

[hard bane]

I use Beast Crest does seriously no one use it

[empty bridge]

Nope

[hard bane]

where my beast fans at :C

[empty bridge]

Don’t see why to bother with the funny tanking RAGE effect when witch exists

[thin laurel]

which puzzle do you mean…?

[hard bane]

not puzzles but like just pathways

[hollow acorn]

I used reaper for traversal and architect for battles

[tranquil wren]

or when you can use wanderer to face-tank 99% of bosses

[hard bane]

they place traps and annoying ass enemies that throw self exploding projectikes (love it) and the water is infectious (we also love that) and birds will spawn randomly (we also love that) and most importantly the boss arena has infectious water and a annoying enemy gauntlet before boss spawn (peak)