h2-discussion

[tranquil wren]

doesn't make sense to me to argue for less content in your games

[pallid cradle]

A turn based game winning GotY? They're hilarious. Metaphor got snubbed by Sony's Mario.

[meager elk]

Isnt Ori story basically your parent was kidnapped go and fix the forest?

[verbal hinge]

no i don't think hollowknight had a compelling story at all, and it's one of the best games i ever played

the lore minus any other reward was actually really irritating [,especially because it was so fragmented]

[verbal hinge]

excuse me ori story made me cry

[tranquil wren]

you're in the minority for this opinion

[crude rock]

crazy take

[verbal hinge]

i just had fun killing stuff

[pallid cradle]

That is... Certainly a take of all time.

[verbal hinge]

idk what to tell you
i read books for the story
i play games for the playability

[devout cairn]

lol i also didn't care for hollow knight's story, i have a dislike for silent protagonists. Silksong on the other hand was a pleasant surprise

[tranquil wren]

imo you're just purposely limiting your enjoyment by deciding to ignore well-written stories. I read books as well but that doesn't stop me from enjoying visual media to its fullest

[median flax]

It turns out 650 health and 3 death defiances is enough to just tank rivals typhon without dodging anything

Also what is this about games not being enjoyable for the story? Bruh

[verbal hinge]

i don't ignore the story, and well written is a matter of perspective

i just don't think the story is that important

like if i found the ending disappointing i wouldn't care about whether or not they made another one unless there was new content

[median flax]

Not like there's a wholeass profession for writing game stories

[pallid cradle]

There are entire studios who thrive off the story. Mainly looking at TellTale but Atlus also comes to mind.

[verbal hinge]

yeah and as long as stories as skippable that's fine

[split shuttle]

atlus mentioned

[tranquil wren]

okay but originally you said that only the newer generation cares about stories in video games, which is just very untrue

[median flax]

oh yes let's skip the story of a telltale game

[pallid cradle]

By the dude with a Nahobino pfp, shocker amirite?

[median flax]

Games in general have gotten less story-driven with time, not more

[verbal hinge]

i said that's what ive noticed yeah it wasn't like that 20 years ago

or maybe i wasn't listening

if the statement offends you i can retract it

i just find story extraneous. not core to the gaming experience

[tranquil wren]

it's not offensive, it just doesn't make sense

[median flax]

Yeah we're not offended, we're bemused

[verbal hinge]

idk why people care more about the story now

[tranquil wren]

because you're in the SGG discord mate. they're renowned for their storytelling

[verbal hinge]

i mean i could speculate

but you don't have to understand the zeitgeist to observe it

[verbal hinge]

it's not an sgg phenomenon

that's just a happy coincidence

[median flax]

I remember when first person shooter games stopped having a campaign/story mode as standard. It was such a big deal at the time and a lot of people really lamented it

[meager elk]

Isnt ori silent protag?

[tranquil wren]

lmfao

[verbal hinge]

when 9 sols released you couldn't even skip the story/dialogue

idk if it's still like that now

but that's ridiculous

[devout cairn]

I don't think this is weird btw, writers like Stephen King, Tolkien, Mary Shelley all have revised/edited their works for plenty of reasons. Even with movies, directors are sometimes looking to revise the story or release a new cut. Doesn't come as a surprise to me that a game with a heavy focus on story did it too

[median flax]

I genuinely wonder how many old games you've played

[tranquil wren]

bubble bobble

[verbal hinge]

ori speaks volumes with his soul

[devout cairn]

idk i never played ori

you can be mute but you are gonna have to react in some way for me to like you

[verbal hinge]

it is the best metroidvania so you should if you like those

[devout cairn]

im okay on metroidvanias, no rush to play most of them

[vernal quarry]

how do I unlock it?

[rough horizon]

Have you installed the preview version?

[vernal quarry]

of Hades 2? not yet, no

[median flax]

Also Anubis staff is so weird

[verbal hinge]

that's a fair point i guess but remaking an ending because people didn't like it (as opposed to because YOU didn't like it) seems like a lot

but if you have the resources why not

[rough horizon]

Well, you need to do so to have access to the new narrative and ending, and the incantation

[verbal hinge]

which is fine most of them suck
ori is 1% it's got everything

[devout cairn]

well that's the thing, we may never know if Supergiant's writers disliked their ending or if was purely due to peer pressure, or a bit of both

[thorny adder]

Worth noting this was probably the intended ending to begin with. That’s a lot of writing and VA for a month’s time, to the point that it’s likely the ending we got was rushed

[vernal quarry]

kk

[verbal hinge]

one assumes they had that ending for a while it went through early access right?

[vernal quarry]

holy shoot mary shelley mentioned :o (sorry ive been reading frankenstein recently)

[devout cairn]

im a poser, I just mentioned her name I never read Frankenstein

[tranquil wren]

afaik they only came up with the ending right after the latest patch before v1.0

[verbal hinge]

but yeah someone said the ending was rushed so the alt one was probably in the works regardless

[devout cairn]

i dont know enough about game development to answer this

[rough horizon]

Like the other ending doesn't have the same amount of voiced dialogue

[vernal quarry]

dw bout it. youre right though she edited a lot

[thorny adder]

Uh… there’s a couple runs worth of new content

[rough horizon]

The rushing justification doesn't make sense to me

Let's rush and record all these lines instead of the ones we really mean to? Nonsense

[covert badge]

it takes time to get used to its playstyle yeah

[median flax]

Well it doesn't actually have an attack

[verbal silo]

Is there any way to make the regular attack usable on Anubis

I’ve only ever used omegas w that aspect

[thorny adder]

The fact that you’re forced to do more runs than before is a bit telling. That, and there’s more build up towards the ending than begore

Another thing worth noting is that not that many lines were outright changed. It was mostly additions

[verbal hinge]

and those were fun af
because you're playing through the story

like adventure games (monkey island, simon the sorcerer, all the sierra and lucas arts games) is one of my favourite genres and it's completely story driven?

i just don't care about story in roguelikes and metroidvanias and fps and such. those are about the action. it's nice that it's there but it's very secondary to the playability

[graceful badger]

Voice recording is mandatory, every other part of the creative precess can be rushed. I don't know how that's weird.

[pallid cradle]

I kinda hope it was that they saw the reception to the first ending and changed it because of that.

If they had this ending loaded and ready to go it would really make you wonder why they launched into 1.0 with what they gave us knowing they weren't going to stand by it.

[graceful badger]

They rushed everything because of switch 2 imo

[rough horizon]

And it just makes so much more sense than the alternative

[devout cairn]

my narrative is that Nintendo forced them to do it cuz I like painting them as villains

[median flax]

You're generalising a lot here

and narrative design effects a lot more than you probably think it does

[graceful badger]

I'll wait for your better explanation than "launching of a nintendo console is a market too big to ignore."

[pallid cradle]

Idk... That'd be a pretty good reason

[devout cairn]

i just like nintendo being the villains

[pallid cradle]

Switch 2 has sold how many units already?

[covert badge]

You set up your Attack by holding dash strike + Ω Attack (dash while channeling to place Ω Attack at the middle of Attack AoE) and Cast, then camp and snipe mobs from afar with Special and Ω Special to pull enemies right into your Attacks AoE

[tiny gate]

the only achievement I'm missing is the arachne one, if I keep doing erebus only runs with athena boon until arachne room I'll eventually get it right?

[verbal silo]

it’s so much work though I’d rather get a hammer and Apollo leg

[winged vector]

I think it can be both. They could have rushed the first ending because they wanted to get it out, and not taking the time to go over it with a fine tooth comb and realize that it would be divisive, then going over it with a second pass once people reacted negatively.

[fiery marten]

is there any other use for fishes except to sell them for now?

[tranquil wren]

their only use is to sell at the broker

[covert badge]

i mean fair lol
these steps also use with charon btw

[latent flower]

Is there a way to force circe to appear for odysseus' request? Liek with a chaos trial or something

[tranquil wren]

no NPCs in chaos trials

just have to thug it out

[thorny adder]

Take whatever weapon you feel comfortable speedrunning and die to Eris if you don’t get Circe

[latent flower]

sucks, but expected. Thanks

[pallid cradle]

Nah there's a part of that quest that makes it suck more. You'll find out

[latent flower]

more rng ig, got it

[pallid cradle]

Something like that

[thorny adder]

You’ll understand when you get there lol

[latent flower]

Another question for the born to win one, once I trigger the prophecy can I complete it in the same run I unlock it (assuming I get it in the first area)

[rigid briar]

is this true I feel like I ran into arachne on one

[real scarab]

yes

[latent flower]

ty

[rigid briar]

nah you right @tranquil wren

I did chaos trials to proceed prometheus questline tho that's the tech

[lament fern]

any tips against || vow of rivals scylla? i've gotten past her but i just take too much damage and the main source of it every time is the charge attack scylla herself does, i just cant seem to figure out how to dodge that one attack ||

[rigid briar]

I definitely did try to force circe on a chaos trial a few times for knuckle bones

[ebon sigil]

Fine line is pretty nice, but does it make sense to be a hera boon?

[buoyant matrix]

you have to dash through her with a big delay

[rigid briar]

||charibdys and scylla herself are the big things you're avoiding, other than that the drum patterns are relatively simple- I just start the fight by doing some AOE dps on the drummer area because there's a few people stacked up there, then work my way around the outside killing off the tentacles. You just need to get in close to bait out the melee, then dash during it or run out, then dash in to punish it. If your damage is good you shouldn't have to bait out more than 1 attack per tentacle||

[rigid briar]

ive never had to do this you can just run around her and wait

but ideally you're just running away from her the whole fight

[buoyant matrix]

are you playing without frenzy?

she hits you on frenzy2 if you're just sprinting around her

[rigid briar]

Ive played her frenzy 1 no prob but is this guy playing with frenzy?

[lament fern]

i'll have to give this a go, i think usually i try to dash to the sides as she's attacking

it's literally the one attack in the WHOLE game i struggle the most with and cant consistently dodge

i did have frenzy on, it was a 32 fear run

[rigid briar]

Just one though right?

[lament fern]

yeah just frenzy 1

[rigid briar]

should be able to avoid her by sticking on her sides and whiff punishing no prob

[lament fern]

ok ty

[rigid briar]

if you get daze sprint too or extra dashes from hermes those help

[buoyant matrix]

hermes doesn't give extra dashes??

[rigid briar]

is a lower cooldown not extra dashes

you give me 5 seconds how many extra dashes are you doing as opposed to without the boon

[ebon sigil]

i'm still getting used to not having two dashes

[buoyant matrix]

technically it's not though, extra dashes is like the greatest reflex boon from h1

[ebon sigil]

i'm still getting used to not having athena dash tbh

[rigid briar]

I see your point but because it doesnt exist in 2, I'm calling it extra since it allows you to dash in succession, quicker
essentially giving you more I-frames per minute

I think that helps a lot with Scylla and Typhon

[meager elk]

You have to beat the athena dash allegations

[devout cairn]

glad I last played hades 1 in 2020 because I went into 2 having absolutely no muscle memory

[buoyant matrix]

athena dash being so readily available was a mistake

[slim pike]

You can

[meager elk]

Would you rather have athena dash or hestia dash

[slim pike]

I played it recently and eventually beat it

Ahhh divine dash, what a nostalgia trap that is in Hades 2

[tepid rune]

Honestly towards the end of H1 I found myself favoring Poseidon dash most runs over Athena, or any other god’s, dash

[slim pike]

it's not very good at all in hades 2

[craggy totem]

Whyn't? You can have it on top of other dashes after all

[slim pike]

because of the enemy designs themselves, far fewer reflectable projectiles, far less bullet hell and no double dash

[buoyant matrix]

every single biome has projectile shooting enemies, it's good just not h1 good

[craggy totem]

Me Gorgon Amuleting in Oceanus to prepare for Rivals Scylla like

[slim pike]

Athena has so much better to offer in hades 2

[craggy totem]

(I am joking. I would not take Gorgon Amulet and I would not fight Rivals Scylla out of my own free will)

[slim pike]

even if you goal is projectile deflection (lol mental block)

[craggy totem]

What's the haps with Mental Block? The times I've taken it over the dash have primarily been on builds where I wasn't expecting to dash as often as usual or if I just wanted extra juice on my cast

[slim pike]

of those projectiles, far fewer can be reasonable reflected back at the target

[slim pike]

actually does decent damage in an AoE for a start

[meager elk]

Athena called my dash choice “The safe option” and I vowed never again to take it because i do not want to be compared to zagreus

[tepid rune]

One could argue that deflection is more valuable in 2 though when you can’t use weapons to destroy projectiles like in 1

[dull whale]

I went back to Hades 1 and was getting hit so much more because I'm too used to Mel's sprint lmao

[slim pike]

"Your brother's favourite"

[craggy totem]

Fair enough, thence the juice. But if I wanted deflect alone I wouldn't be caring about the damage I suppose.

[craggy totem]

EXTREMELY fair lmao

[dull whale]

Yeaaah when I got this line I smiled

[rough horizon]

It' is funny (although my Zag preferred Poseidon's dash)

[slim pike]

hades 2 doesn't have bosses like the witches circle or Lernie

which are far more projectile spammy.

[craggy totem]

We just have bosses like Hecate spamming projectiles while her adds also shoot projectiles :P

[slim pike]

heck even Hades is

[craggy totem]

Followed by Rivals Scylla with her guest star shooting more projectiles

[slim pike]

You try divine dashing Twilight Curse and tell me how that goes

[craggy totem]

I ain't talkin Twilight Curse, it's the lil doohickies

(but it would be funny if you could Twilight Curse one of the adds by deflecting it ngl)

[slim pike]

yeah, but also just the damage you get isn't great

[slim pike]

You can use night bloom to block it, (Your summon just dies)

[craggy totem]

I've literally never been able to bait it into doing that but I acknowledge I lack finesse

[slim pike]

There's always that blasted little toad

Maybe that's just it, the damage you get from reflected projectiles just isn't really much in hades 2

compared to just wailing on them with your weapon of choice

[thorny adder]

After revisiting Hades 1, yeah, the projectile reflect is nowhere near as strong, both in terms of numbers as well as projectile density and lack of Athena reflect damage boons

[tranquil wren]

oh I have a H2 update

[devout cairn]

pausechamp

[tranquil wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584505260068962304/1432768482872655982/image.png?ex=69024121&is=6900efa1&hm=79888bde25107e37fefd79b8a19c29eb9a7fb19cd3a916cc076b734c9ed68b6a&

[jovial garden]

I'm playing Hades 2 for 93 hours and i completed all achievements but i dunno why my last 2 achievement doesn't count. I checked my prophecy list and all done but it isn't appear when i checked on Epic Games launcher. Is this about epic games or game itself cuz i really strugguled to do that.

[craggy totem]

Sounds like an Epic Games thing to me tbh

[jovial garden]

what do i do now

i tried verify game files but it doesn't affect

[craggy totem]

Maybe ask Epic Games?

[rigid briar]

what are the two that you're missing

you could've just not received a prophecy yet, just because you've completed all your current prophecies does not mean you've done them all

I'm at 100% with 99 hours so it's very likely you missed 1 thing

[novel turtle]

But she looks like that why wouldn't you want to fight her

[dry moon]

How are you suppose to use Supay with high heat. I just dont have enough damage to clear time....

[jovial garden]

well the last two are "Born to Win" and "Bearing Dark Gifts" and i checked on the list they re done

[meager garden]

how high

[dry moon]

50+

[meager garden]

not my wheelhouse then, go ask in #h2-builds-and-combat

[pearl pollen]

Is the patch still in preview or has it released?

[tranquil wren]

still beta branch I think

[meager garden]

no announcement so still preview only

[limber root]

Okay so I have bashed my head into 60 fear now for a while and I keep getting taken out on the rivals promethues fight because Heracle hit me with his jump attack before he even finishes landing?? Like it freezes with him in the air still with club raised? What is this I feel like I am going loony?!

[meager garden]

yeah I'm pretty sure the leap itself does contact damage

like polyphemus

[craggy totem]

Are you telling me Heracles goomba stomps you?

[meager garden]

I think of it more like a body slam or flying knee

[merry whale]

wtf fr?

ik heracles landing anim is completely desynced but

[meager garden]

idk it's been a while since I've done the fight lol, you know more than me

[merry whale]

i've never gotten hit from heracles jumping upward so idk

[craggy totem]

It doesn't sound like Kage specified that they got hit from the upward part of the jump, just that they were hit while Heracles was still in mid-air.

[merry whale]

wack

whenever that happens i just stand as far away from wherever heracles indicates his landing

the hitbox does not match the visual and i'm still annoyed that it didn't get adjusted to match in 1.0

[brave urchin]

Concert in London. Not so far away. I wanna gooooooo!

[limber root]

Yes

Man is still Lined up club above head and then his toes hit me and I just perish

[craggy totem]

Powerful toes. You know that man has separate workout routines for his fingers and his toes, his forehead and his nose

[meager garden]

it's like polyphemus, he jumps into you and hits you, even before landing

[limber root]

Yeah except that Poly has a clear indicator that his feet are dangerous since they glow red

[merry echo]

Chat whats the point in born if it's just gonna ruin ur magic bar

[craggy totem]

It's temporary

[limber root]

If you have enough Max magic then you effectively have infinite magic, the rest of the gains (other than Zeus) is also designed in a way where the "Max" really isn't an issue.

[limber root]

Also that

[merry echo]

What does it do later

[limber root]

The Primed magic just goes away as soon as you leave the room

[craggy totem]

If you look at the boon description text, it says that it's only primed during that encounter.

[merry echo]

This ruins my auto magic regen lol

[limber root]

Yeah if you have moon active its very much an anti-synergy

[tiny gate]

does anyone know?

[craggy totem]

If you quit the run after that, you know you'll just be put on the same seed, right? Unless you have the reroll incantation

[tiny gate]

I'm not sure you can get dialogue from athena with the boon

[merry echo]

Yeah i'd rather avoid it tbh even tho hera is hot

[tiny gate]

I have the reroll

[craggy totem]

Part of the prophecy questline requires you to use Athena's keepsake.

[merry echo]

I keep forgetting to use it thats pretty much what carries me every attempt

[crude dragon]

Stop using Unseen

[craggy totem]

No

[dull cypress]

Does the preview build progress carry over to the live build?

[merry echo]

Btw was there a specific area she appears in or pretty much random

[craggy totem]

Random (in general)

[merry echo]

Overhated arcana it's not even that bad

[crude dragon]

Once you swap Unseen for a card that's actually worth the 5 Grasp, you can really start to see builds open up

[tranquil wren]

I'm never unequipping unseen

[craggy totem]

I have swapped it out, and it was fine in the context where I swapped it out (Mel blades), but for other contexts, I'm not taking it off

[crude dragon]

No, it's pretty bad. The words I'd use to describe it are ones that would get slapped by automod

[merry echo]

I used to die more before equipping it lol

[crude dragon]

Dudes would rather waste 5 Grasp that could've gone to Origination than pick a decent MP regen

[craggy totem]

I already have Origination smh

PNSA no baka!!!!!

[merry echo]

Thats just ensuring u have it in every run

[tranquil wren]

? I have both origination and unseen

[little frost]

nah the unseen hate is overdone fs

[merry echo]

Thats what i just said

[crude dragon]

Genuinely feel like I entered an alternate universe where Unseen's considered good (even with Fate's Whim, I'd rather run Excellence)

[craggy totem]

I didn't say it's good necessarily, it just ain't worth that much hate. It's Fine ™

[tranquil wren]

we just said it's overhated

[quasi roost]

bro where does one dodge in the unrivaled doggie fight

i swear theres nowhere safe to stand

[graceful badger]

Excellence matters so little at +4 poms

[merry echo]

I been liking it prevents the frustration of running out of magic bar especially in boss fights

[little frost]

it's not like taking unseen is tanking your run or anything

[sweet cove]

Remember to sprint!

[graceful badger]

While unseen makes sure you're not screwed by lack of a good mana regen boon

[craggy totem]

There's not really any guaranteed/permanent safe places to stand, I think the last time I asked about it folks were implying that you're using your dash for iframes a lot

[little frost]

excellence is actually p chill with jpom tho ngl

[craggy totem]

Yeah, I'm never gonna die because I didn't have a Legendary boon, but I might die if I get unlucky with gain boons

[little frost]

rarity goes hard

[merry echo]

Thats a better way to put it

It also helps a lot with the prime stuff

[meager walrus]

Excellence is excellent

[tranquil wren]

also I never use unseen with magickless or near-magickless aspects anyway. I need huntress active for them

[sweet cove]

The counter point is that The Unseen is just arguably the worst regen (Glamour Gain) in terms of regen, and you can’t regen with unseen or glamour during channeling. 5 grasp is also insanely expensive

[meager walrus]

(I run excellence maybe half the time for fates whim but there's no room with rerolls)

[craggy totem]

Better than nothing, which is what I mean by "unlucky"

[meager garden]

if you're at fates whim, what are you spending the extra grasp on anyways

[graceful badger]

That's the main point

[meager walrus]

Typically excellence or boatman is your 5 and then the rest is put into stuff like huntress night artificer etc.

If you really want you can take both excellence and boatman but that really doesnt leave any room for the nice supplemental 2s and 3s

[craggy totem]

I just think that Excellence is more firmly in the "nice to have" category

[meager walrus]

Well yes all the stuff I mentioned is "nice to have"

[crude dragon]

Every rarity increase is effectively +2 levels, so gonna disagree there

[craggy totem]

I could see Boatman coming in clutch if you have Debt on, I mean

[meager walrus]

Im assuming youre already taking the mandatory stuff like furies origination etc

Also rarity increases are completely separate from pom increases

[thorn cradle]

I fell like Boatman and Excellence are the worst pick for remain grasp

[meager walrus]

Rarity is just a flat +X upgrade per rarity independent of poms

[craggy totem]

Oh yeah absolutely, I don't think anyone is out there actually going "pick Unseen over Origination guys!!!" lmao

[meager garden]

ok but there are

[tranquil wren]

okay but we're not

[meager walrus]

It also depends on thr boon, some boons have absurd rarity scaling and some have pretty weak scaling

[craggy totem]

Is there though literally? Some silly Youtuber or what (edit: I don't mean you, Silly, you are a Silly non?-youtuber)

[meager walrus]

For example aphro special is +50% per rarity increase, which is huge

The difference between common and heroic aphro special is a whole +150%

Meanwhile ares special is like +10% per rarity increase

[crude dragon]

Blitz scaling is what? +30 per rarity?

Whereas poms are only 10-15 or so?

[graceful badger]

Which is why it's not that meaningful when you pom and don't get to choose most of the time.

[meager garden]

I wonder where the math for poms are in the code
It should be in there somewhere

[crude dragon]

You'd think that the fact you don't get to choose would make increasing the odds you don't have commons a lot more valuable

[craggy totem]

I was very confused by this comment until I realized you probably meant jpom and not pom upgrades

[meager walrus]

Every boon has manually defined rarity and pom scaling

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051942150025269309/1431179729058402324/image.png?ex=6901bf7d&is=69006dfd&hm=2c2418641b50a2dfdeeaf58a4e7fa0683ce4b5a8cea824f524ee83b38bfc41a7&

I made this a while ago

[little frost]

big

[tranquil wren]

can we petition the mods to put the slowmode to 5s

[meager garden]

where do you find it tho

[meager walrus]

Its in the game files but the format kind of sucks

I just manually compiled the data via ingame

[sinful snow]

man
im still salty that the thing that lets you skip fishing
BLOCKS STRNEGTH MY GOAT

[dull cypress]

DD or strength?

[unkempt zodiac]

Strength is more fun. Death defies are a bit stronger and work with toula

Strength also gives a Damage up so good when going fast

[craggy totem]

I feel like you could argue Strength is stronger in low/no Fear

[unkempt zodiac]

Maybe

[craggy totem]

if only in the literal sense LMAO

[sinful snow]

yeahh in general i prefer strength
but i also hate the fishign minigame
so im at a bit fo a crossroads

[unkempt zodiac]

Strength is stronger in low/no fear for someone like me or you who is very comfortable with that level of difficulty. I'm unconvinced for somebody who would find it hard

[sinful snow]

death defiances are just like
more hp

[unkempt zodiac]

No, that's strength

[craggy totem]

I could see that, I guess. I really do feel the damage reduction in mah bones is all.

[sinful snow]

strength gives me the extra damage which is honestly what i go after

idgaf about teh damage reduction
but i guess depending on how much you revive with one would give more hp than the other

[unkempt zodiac]

Plus Strength fits better in my Jeweled pom build

[dull cypress]

I feel like strength is just straight up better no?

[stoic urchin]

i myself could not imagine going strength against ||vor chronos||

[craggy totem]

Well the reason I disclaimer'd with "low/no Fear" is because as others have pointed out, when you have enough vows that cancel healing and increase damage taken*, eventually the DD is gonna eat more than your Strength can fend off
*not just the two specific vows that specifically do that, but all the ones that domino-effect this

[sinful snow]

fair enough

[stoic urchin]

dd gives u way more health than strength

[rich vector]

8:01 missed sub 8 by 2 seconds

[meager walrus]

Also like if you dont take much damage in most rooms strength loses a lot of value

Because a large part of the benefit is the doubled healing

[crude dragon]

Flip a coin, both are good

It's not quite doubled healing anymore, but yes, healing is more effective pound for pound on Strength

[rich vector]

I feel strength is more valuable if you are prioritizing doing high damage fast but death if you are trying to win more casually

[polar abyss]

Strength > Death for speedrunning, Death > Strength from like 50 Fear to 62 Fear for defense, Strength > Death for 65 defense.

[unkempt zodiac]

It doesn't work the same tho. Dd is functionally contained hp, Strength is functionally universal hp

Strength you don't really feel or interact with, dd you do

[inland turret]

I hate the summit bro

[fervent silo]

whats the best god for dash only run? Pos?

[inland turret]

Probably ares or athena

Poseidon and zeus in close second

[fervent silo]

i cant get athena because she doesnt spawn in the first room, i wouldnt be able to attack

what makes ares good?

[inland turret]

Oh you mean like dash ONLY

[fervent silo]

i did dash only to UW but now i wanna do surface with 24 fear

[unkempt zodiac]

Zeus sprint is pretty good

[inland turret]

It inflicts a good amount of damage and doesn't require you to ram your head straight into the enemy risking dmg

[fervent silo]

zeus sprint doesn't damage pylons softlocking you in ephyra

[unkempt zodiac]

Fascinating

[inland turret]

Yes zeus is the safest

[craggy totem]

Wait why does Strength come back up on top for 65? /never gonna try it but curious

[meager walrus]

Poseidon Hestia are probably the highest dps

[unkempt zodiac]

I would go hestia I think

[meager walrus]

Zeus if you get double strike

[inland turret]

I don't think enemies would stand in hestia trail

[unkempt zodiac]

You run into them

[fervent silo]

hera inflicts hitch only on the first hit i think

[craggy totem]

Yeah, you should be able to dash right through them

[inland turret]

Yea that's not safe

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah Hera is high damage but just the once

[fervent silo]

heph is probably the least dps

[inland turret]

He's saying that he wants to do a dash ONLY run so taking any sort of dmg seems risky

[fervent silo]

nah taking dmg is ok, as long as i get decent dps

[teal zephyr]

For me strength > death on 50+ fear until you start clicking pain/scars 3

[inland turret]

You'd have to wait 12 second to even dmg

[unkempt zodiac]

Idk why taking damage would be worse on a dash only run

[inland turret]

Then Poseidon zeus and hestia are all great options

[unkempt zodiac]

I don't think dash only excludes fountains

[polar abyss]

Yeah, I will admit, it’s an oversimplification

Strength is better than Death until you add Scars 3, and then Pain on top of that sucks

[inland turret]

My bad

[meager walrus]

Fun fact the current dash only speedrun wr is 6:51

So if your pb is higher than that you got beaten by someone only pressing one button

[fervent silo]

what boon did they use wtf

[craggy totem]

My PB is definitely higher than that and I accept this with calm resignation ;P

[teal zephyr]

Yeah those destroy any of its viablity at that level

[polar abyss]

Strength is better than Death at 65, because Void 3 is Judgement high fear, so if you roll into Death, it would have been better to have that +20% for early regions.

[inland turret]

Also that someone is infinitely better than me at the game

[fervent silo]

ah its aspect of nyx

[craggy totem]

Ooooh, interesting, I see.

[meager walrus]

Nyx coat, so you have an omega dash

[unkempt zodiac]

Idk if I should take this as motivation or accept that this person prob got really good rng

[fervent silo]

im not doing nyx coat, i feel like its using a weapon

[craggy totem]

Por que no los dos

[unkempt zodiac]

True...

I think my uw pb is like 850 idk

[inland turret]

Any tips for summit guys

[ebon sigil]

I haven’t been able to turn off god mode yet. But I do have one clear at 30% so I am slowly working towards turning it off.

[craggy totem]

What are you having trouble with, the normal mobs, the minibosses, or the final boss?

[meager walrus]

Theres a 6:36 supay dash only run

[inland turret]

The mini bosses

[meager walrus]

Which is its own category since supay is weird

[fervent silo]

supay is also using a weapon. dash only means DASH ONLY

[meager walrus]

Omega dash is a dash 🙁

[fervent silo]

its an omega attack given you by your weapon

[unkempt zodiac]

Erm actually they would be using their attack and special on supay

[fervent silo]

supay is so annoying im never playing with that thing ever again

[meager walrus]

That's why the speedrun category has dash only supay and dash only other weapons

[fervent silo]

dash only
weapons
then its not dash only!

[wise ice]

Where can I post an image, yall gotta see this

[unkempt zodiac]

Supay just takes forever to get going :P unless you start with gigaros

[meager walrus]

Dash only just means one button only basically

[craggy totem]

Spawn of Typhon (ground pound guy) has a very predictable set of attacks, so you can learn those and just dodge around them.

Twins of Typhon (the twins, duh) you can see them coming at you from underground, so be prepared for their attack when they get close. Be aware of where the egg lasers will show up.

Eye of Typhon: you can sheep the big eyeball. It's very funny.

Tail of Typhon: when it starts charging the big death ray attack, you can just run behind it and hit its butt

[craggy totem]

Anywhere else (other servers, imgur, etc), and just link it here.

[wise ice]

https://x.com/VanessaChaseOG/status/1982843668634726898?t=MddSmaDV7fN6xMRYRKk41A&s=19

[inland turret]

All of them are manageable except for eye of typhon

[unkempt zodiac]

Tbh spawn and twins are way harder than eye and tail

[wise ice]

Found what prometheus and Aetos has been up to.

[meager walrus]

You may only move, "Dash", "Gift", or "Interact" during your run. You are not required to unbind all other controls, but it is recommended to prevent accidental usage.

[unkempt zodiac]

You can mostly just stand right next to the eye and beat it up while taking zero damage

[craggy totem]

Honestly I don't find Eye that bad, it just sits there and you wail on it with everything you got

[limpid oar]

I think the Eye of Typhon is really cute

[wise ice]

It is very funny, i suggest everyone to open the trustsworthy link.

[inland turret]

What? No way i take so much damage from the infinite number of projectiles all over the room how am I supposed to dodge all of them whilst a gigantic eye rolls towards doing half my health

[craggy totem]

If you don't have sheep hex, bringing Freeze (like on a Demeter cast or something) can also help make the big eyeball less of a bother

[inland turret]

There's too many damn projectiles

Half the time i don't even what know what's damaging me it's so chaotic

[craggy totem]

A lot of the duders wiggling around aren't projectiles but tiny enemies iirc, you can just hit them to make them go away unless I'm hallucinating

[inland turret]

There's so many of them holy

[meager walrus]

Okay I will say that if you study what is going on its honestly pretty free

[sleek quarry]

what's in the update?

[unkempt zodiac]

Dash through the eye. If you stand next to the eye 99% of the projectiles won't be anywhere close to you

[meager walrus]

A lot of the stuff is just "screen clutter" that distracts you and makes sight reading attacks harder

[craggy totem]

Nexus dash through them, boop one duder in the face, boom, all ded?

[inland turret]

I lose like 2 of my death defiances on eye of typhon if I get unlucky enough to come across it I can do the other three almost damageless

[meager walrus]

But if you know what to ignore the actual patterns are quite free

[unkempt zodiac]

Treat it like the boss is the rolling eye and the projectiles are the walls to the arena

[sleek quarry]

my game just got updated, anyone knows what in it?

[inland turret]

Ok I'll try this

[craggy totem]

Ask in #h2-patch-preview maybe idk, base game didn't update

[inland turret]

Hm thanks

[craggy totem]

How much health are you bringing to Summit btw?

[inland turret]

So i should ignore the fish like guys floating about?

[craggy totem]

Cos I feel like I can usually facetank Eye

[inland turret]

75-100% but if I have a really bad build i just die on Prometheus

[craggy totem]

I mean in terms of like, max HP

[unkempt zodiac]

30 💪 💪 💪

[inland turret]

How do you save health for typhon

[inland turret]

200 usually most of the time it's around 250

[unkempt zodiac]

You don't need to save that much health for typhon. A massive healing item is always in the shop

[meager walrus]

Take a video, try to play the fight slow (actually try and dodge instead of just facetank dps) and watch it back and see what happens

[craggy totem]

Okay, that's similar to mine. Although I'm using Strength so that does reduce the amount of damage taken....

[meager walrus]

Once you know the attacks its pretty easy

[inland turret]

So i should remain calm and not let the clutter overwhelm me?

Thanks it's crazy that typhon is easier than his lackeys

[meager walrus]

The only reason the fight is hard is because you cant recognize where the attacks are

And that's largely because the fight has a lot of hitbox clutter that doesn't actually matter

[inland turret]

Yes I agree there's just so much going on

[craggy totem]

TBH I don't think I can do that fight hitless but the lil guys don't do that much damage do they? I mostly just avoid getting rolled on by the big eyeball idk

[meager walrus]

It makes sight reading the patterns harder but if you know what to do you can just ignore the stuff that doesnt matter and focus on what does matter

[inland turret]

Thanks!

[inland turret]

Maybe I'm just trying too hard

[craggy totem]

I'm putting my hands together for u and praying for sheep

[meager walrus]

Idk hitless seems fine

[inland turret]

I try to dodge everything and end up talking damage from everything instead lmao 😭

[craggy totem]

Oh I'm not making any claims about the fight's objective difficulty, just whether I can lol

[inland turret]

I don't really use that hex

[craggy totem]

It's really good yo. Trivializes a lot of tough enemies/adds, even some minibosses

[inland turret]

I use moon water eclipse and ray mostly

[inland turret]

Moon water is just so reliable

[meager walrus]

Dodge the rolling eyeball (kite it and then dash through it, its turn radius is bad), dodge the eyeball death shockwave (same way you dodge every shockwave), dodge the falling spinny balls from the sky (you'll know when the attack happens, just need to move out of the way, melee weapons might not be able to dps during this time), other stuff is really minor and should be fine to react to

[unkempt zodiac]

Lunar ray kinda stinks imo

I just feel like I can usually out-damage it with a decent build

[inland turret]

I keep focusing on the minor stuff and take dmg from the major stuff

[unkempt zodiac]

Or at least come really close without the worry of standing still

[inland turret]

But the other hexes aren't much better either

[craggy totem]

Twilight Hex is really good

[graceful badger]

I think a decent ray build would include apollo's thingy

[inland turret]

Hmm

[craggy totem]

And Night Bloom can be very funny as well, though it's annoying to not be able to proc on bosses before they summon adds

[meager walrus]

Lunar ray can be okay early game dps, late game dps you need a lot of upgrades for it

It can also be a good safety net all game, as one of the minor upgrades gives armor on use

[inland turret]

I agree but the other hexes aren't really that good for dmg either

[meager walrus]

You can just press it if you know you are gonna take damage, tank the hit with armor, then cancel it after

[craggy totem]

I think in many cases I'm not using the hex for pure damage, necessarily, at least not on its own

[limpid oar]

uh have you unlocked (spoiler since it's a late game-ish feature) ||godsent hexes||?

[inland turret]

The calls?

No not yet

[craggy totem]

They don't quite work like H1 calls

[inland turret]

Hm i see

[craggy totem]

They're basically powerful upgrades that you can choose to stat into for certain hexes, one god per hex

[limpid oar]

you may find that the hexes deal more damage once you unlock those and try building around them

[inland turret]

I'm yet to do the true ending so I still don't have alot of stuff unlocked haha

[limpid oar]

you get those before the true ending, not sure what the prerequisite is exactly

[inland turret]

I'll just keep doing runs

Once I start a run i can't really stop myself

This game is like an addictive medicine

I know it's going to take alot of time but I can't stop

[ancient nebula]

I go in bouts. I play a huge amount. Then stop. Then pick it back up.

During EA I racked up 100+h everytime an update happened

[merry echo]

I died because i became unlucky

All of my magic was primed lol

Now this is why u need unseen

[dreamy forum]

i hate great chaos below

[fast kestrel]

Just me or is rival Scylla a CRAZY big difficulty spike 😭

[long silo]

I've watched a few videos now where people are rarefying boons seemingly without a god keepsake, some people have the ability to rarify a boon up to heroic like 2 two separate times, what's letting them do this????

[crude dragon]

It's a lot of stuff going on, yes

[craggy totem]

There is a post-epilogue keepsake that allows you to rarify boons

[dreamy forum]

i want to grab chaos by the neck and explode his suit because he keeps gving me the worst weapon and vow combos

[long silo]

Ty Ty

[crude dragon]

There's a few Boons that rarify other boons (Bridal Glow, Proper Upbringing, Steady Growth), and then there's a post-credits keepsake that does that as well

[dreamy forum]

are you kidding me, vow of pain THREE with vow of rivals 2

[crude dragon]

They do it for the shiggles

[dreamy forum]

i dont even have extra hp and magic from my arcana

i have the default health and mana, i hate you chaos

[fast kestrel]

I love the summon enemy hex man I can just have a boulder with me

a bouldy of my own sisyphus would be proud

[brave urchin]

GUYS

I got 2 tickets to the London concert!!

[merry echo]

Sisyphus did nothing wrong

[fast kestrel]

damn rival cerberus really got the lernie treatment huh

[wheat fog]

how do you unlocked "unfinished business"?

[merry echo]

Idk what that is

[wheat fog]

the prophecy

[rotund hearth]

I hate getting railed by Eris

[fallow vapor]

what was that 800mb update for?

im on [preview]

[dreamy forum]

i HATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE great chaos

[craggy totem]

Bring his keepsake to the big fella who really hates him

[rotund hearth]

Didn't plan this well tbh. Also I didn't see my husband so this surface run doesn't count

[analog cave]

do the added chances of resources familiars provide you decrease the chance of other resources showing up?

[crude dragon]

They shouldn't

[fervent silo]

hey guys i did it
dash only

[wheat fog]

62 fear dash only?

[fervent silo]

ACTUAL dash only, no supay or nyx

[fervent silo]

i dont like the game enough to pursue doing a fear run above 32

its fun but not when its high fear

high fear/heat runs are quite luck dependent

[dreamy forum]

i wont be surprised if i go insane while trying to beat this stupid stupid challenge

[fervent silo]

i did a bunch of roguelike challenges in the past

skeleton ultra in nuclear throne to this day is the worst one

[dreamy forum]

Im going to strangle chaos

[fervent silo]

i got great chaos below and arachne prophecy until the game is 100%ed

[wheat fog]

wat roguelike

[fervent silo]

nuclear throne, a really difficult arcade roguelike

[timid cove]

Hi, I beat ||Zagreus||. Do anyone know if Hermes discount first thing in shop boon double the reward?

[inner hamlet]

Doesnt get affected by double boon, im pretty sure

[timid cove]

Would be my guess as well, but it is green so it seems I would lose my double still

Not sure if my decision would is important but I am before ||Typhon|| on my first 24 fear surface run getting that far 😅

[late estuary]

how do i get improbable outcomes achivment? its not on my fated list despite having all the trinkets. i also did 2 of the same trials in a row

[wheat fog]

beat the same chaos below trials, twice in a row without failing

[late estuary]

i did

[wheat fog]

what trials did u do

[late estuary]

i did the crow blades trial in oceanus twice in a row

[wheat fog]

you're supposed to do the chaos below/above trials twice in a row

[late estuary]

wdym

[craggy totem]

Just buy something from the actual shop first?

[wheat fog]

theres trials called chaos above and below where your loadout is randomized, check if you have it in your trials

[craggy totem]

You don't have to do the same trial twice in a row anymore, you can do Above + Below or vice versa now if you want in 1.0

[inner hamlet]

Its something you unlock after beating all trials

[late estuary]

ohh ok. all the sites and wiki are super unclear on it

[inner hamlet]

true, completly missed the fact that had to be won in a row, unlocked it on accident basically lol

[wheat fog]

huh no
i've barely done trials at all and ive unlocked it, idk how i did but i did

[timid cove]

I did end up doing that, but it was 2x double poms, so it could have been good. Got sun worshipper, it carried my ass lol

[craggy totem]

You might have to have a certain number completed, but it's not "all trials". I haven't done all trials.

[inner hamlet]

Oh really? I guess its just after completing the game and have done some of the trials maybe

[late estuary]

ive done over 20 trials. the wiki says u unlock it after getting all keepsakes but i dont have it

[timid cove]

90K allies, so broken lol

[arctic trellis]

Does Malice in Kind require anything besides having DDs on? I've been resetting for an hour trying to get it for the prophecy, but I just keep getting everything else

[tawny slate]

I have persistence on that says it gives me plus 20 heart and magick. My magic is at 70 but my life is at 30 and should be 50. Huh?

[ebon sigil]

when does the alt ending patch hit consoles?

[tawny slate]

Can anyone lmk what’s up w this?

[rotund hearth]

Ah yeah after intentionally running away from the pick a side boons, this is the one time I cannot alter it meaning one of the gods is going to kill me now

[rotund hearth]

Just... Who's safer to piss off, Hestia or Poseidon

[ebon sigil]

pretty sure hestia, unless you can track poseidon's wave easily

[keen girder]

Poseidon 100%. Slow wave that follows you vs slow ball that follows you and leaves fire patches

[rotund hearth]

Okay then

[ebon sigil]

oh

[tawny slate]

Is this a glitch? I should have 50 base health but have 30 despite having the arcana card equipped

[ebon sigil]

maybe I haven't seen hestia enough... didn't know it was a ball... thought it was just fire on the ground

[keen girder]

It's fires triggered by a bouncing fireball, pretty sure -- In a large arena it's not too bad, but in tight quarters the ground quickly becomes lava.

I'm not sure if the ball can damage you though

But I've never had any issues dodging Poseidon, it's very visible and moves so slowly. Same with Aphrodite

[ebon sigil]

honestly i haven't learned all the trials yet

poseidon and aphrodite were among the worst in hades 1, so I avoid them

[rotund hearth]

Okay so I survived Poseidon. Also because it was the first time I've had family dispute, Mel was like "oh my god, both at the same time" and later was like "wait what."

"I was just testing your resolve"

Get lost FISH MAN

Third straight surface run in Thessaly without seeing my husband. I'm worried😔

[scenic storm]

Welcome to white antler. Have fun :p
It's def the most annoying of keepsakes

[tawny slate]

Bruh what

[craggy totem]

Have you read the keepsake description

[scenic storm]

Artemis' keepsake sets your max health to 30 no matter what. There is no cheating the cap

[tawny slate]

Oh I thought it was j a better boon from Artemis😭

[real dock]

why is there a 1gb update anyone know?

[mental flume]

i hate how they just butchered artemis both visually and gameplay wise :(

[craggy totem]

#h2-patch-preview

[tawny slate]

Crazy

[verbal silo]

her boons are like mid to bad it’s kinda unfortunate

If you don’t get pressure points you settle for something else

[craggy totem]

Support Fire isn't bad on some aspects

[verbal silo]

Personally I wish there were more ways to guarantee rarer boons from uncommon gods (Artemis, hermes, Dionysus, chaos)

[mental flume]

i remember always picking artemis for the regular attack boon, just why did they have to shaft her so bad in the 2

[craggy totem]

2good4us

[scenic storm]

Hear me out: whispered prayer

I mean, it's got flavor text, surely it's great, no?

[mental flume]

and her sprite sucks as well 😭

[verbal silo]

personally I knew she was good in hades 1 but I never quite felt like her effects were the same as other gods

[craggy totem]

Whispered Prayer on a low-cost damaging hex!

[verbal silo]

woah okay no, Artemis sprite in hades 2 is an upgrade

Every god looks better imo

[craggy totem]

De gustibus non disputandum est

[mental flume]

egregious take sorry

[verbal silo]

she’s a silver sister ofc it has to be good

[lilac ingot]

killed every boss, seen every ending, completed every prophecy, done every achievement, forged every bond
yet icarus still needs "time to reconnect"
bruh

[craggy totem]

He's flighty ;)

[mental flume]

only sprite i dislike more is the new chaos

[verbal silo]

hot take, understandable though

[craggy totem]

My friend fanwanked it as "Chaos is trying to be more humanoid to connect with Nyx", and I respect the effort put into making that explanation, but also, you can't tell me Nyx gives a single damn about that

[mental flume]

they put it into a suit.... a suit represents order, professionalism and the like ... they put the ancient greek primordial god of chaos into a suit like wtf

[late estuary]

tbh i always thought the chaos in 1 was meant to come across as black so i was surprised when 2s is very obv white
altho i do really like the design, esp the colorful undercut

[craggy totem]

(I am more inclined to accept "Chaos is just trying things out cos talking with Zag and Nyx inspired them", if anything)

[verbal silo]

As a design though I like new chaos over old chaos but when you take the character itself into account it doesn’t make sense

Idk I think I’m partial to a good dragon wing

[craggy totem]

Reject normality!!!!

[mental flume]

the one sprite i think is a total improvement is Aphrodite, i hate the old sprite so much

[craggy totem]

I don't know if I'd call it an improvement, but Dio's new portrait is definitely A+ hilarious

[mental flume]

new Demeter is also maybe a bit better with her armor given the fact that their castle is under siege and all the gods are taking more active roles

[mental flume]

omg i forgot about him, personally i think its really disrespectful, liked the old one a lot more

[fast kestrel]

I like a majority of the new portraits but I dont like the new Hermes design 😔 its fine by itself but I love the hades 1 version

[mental flume]

i can agree, the active pose sells it really well, new one kinda looks like a asian streamer trying to cosplay the original one

[craggy totem]

"Disrespectful" lmao he's a drunk guy who didn't want to fight

[fast kestrel]

yeah, i'd love the design if the old version didnt exist but it just looks a tad off because it does

[craggy totem]

We ain't on the respect train tonight ayo

[verbal silo]

new dio feels like dio unleashed. Old dio was him forced to be cordial in Olympus

it’s obviously taking bits from the 80s and 90s with disco but it works

I do wish he did more in the story I guess, since he was so important with zag. Feels a bit like he was pigeonholed

[mental flume]

i disagree, i think the new one feels like a caricature of the old one, like reducing him to the idea that he is only good for parties and drinking, not at all accurate to the original myths

[rotund hearth]

I can't beat this Prometheus mf

[ebon sigil]

have lots of damage, don't get hit by his fire lines

[rotund hearth]

I don't care about your "curse the gods" "the gods are bad" 'the gods ate my cat"

Skill issue my guy

[rotund hearth]

Never get close enough to land. The guy dodged my hex. He dodged my freaking hex

[meager garden]

yeah he dodges big hits, but there's a cooldown

[boreal vessel]

Favorite weapon ?

[fast kestrel]

to be fair he is perpetually in a stress induced drunken haze

[rotund hearth]

Wouldn't say favourite but currently using staff. Aspect of melinoe 5

[ebon sigil]

the trick is to have all your hits be big hits.

[meager garden]

either that or have all your hits be small hits

[rotund hearth]

So always omega and stuff. Cause even cast doesn't slow him

[boreal vessel]

I've foud Freezer Burn to be quite good on him tbh

[meager garden]

yeah cast is only for applying curse and Furies

[boreal vessel]

but you need muti hitter, like blades

[ebon sigil]

cast is also for aspect of charon

[meager garden]

you can't play ranged against prom, you need to let him come to you

[rotund hearth]

Why are all the surface bosses literally demons that make me

[meager garden]

cuz they cooked for surface

[verbal silo]

hades is definitely respectful to original myth but they also do their own thing. Plus it’s not like they did much else with dio in the first game either.

[rotund hearth]

Hmm. So double blades then... Damn. Ranges always favoured me for distance and specials

[meager garden]

I mean melstaff can be a close range weapon

It has high base power, so slap on aphro or apollo special

[ebon sigil]

you can clear prom with all weapons all aspects... just need to learn the fight

[verbal silo]

Dio in hades 1 was just there to advance Orpheus’ storyline and not much else, he was even wasted in the epilogue

[rotund hearth]

I'll look up something on YouTube

[meager garden]

it just needs to be a playstyle thing. Running away alot just wastes time, he'll always catch up

[ebon sigil]

yeah, that will give you some ideas

[rotund hearth]

I don't even like the surface tbh. I'm only going there for one character

[boreal vessel]

Also Blast can be decent
If he dodges, it doesnt proc the blast anyway, so you can proc it with the next hit

[meager garden]

I think surface, at least at normal levels of fear, is so much better than UW

[ebon sigil]

nah , surface runs are fun too

[rotund hearth]

Eh, not my favourite

[boreal vessel]

Ephyra is great for building something I do love that concept

[rotund hearth]

Icarus is the only thing taking me there. Ironic because I haven't seen him in my last two runs

[rotund hearth]

Oooh true. The multiple boons and pylons are fun. I actually like that

[meager garden]

underworld is just kinda boring, and usually a bit too easy

[ebon sigil]

the last boss of the surface is a pretty fun fight, though I haven't fought the rivals version yet

[rotund hearth]

Yeah it does get predictable after a while

[meager garden]

also I love getting nothing but ashes and bones in erebus and oceanus! So fun!

[violet wing]

Gotta say, I don't really dig Heph in his current state. His rush doesn't get a supay buff. His regen requires you to take damage, offering no benefit when taking hits absorbed by shields or his own duo with Hera. His cast doesn't benefit from grand caldera. There are just so many anti-synergies. If you're not going all in on his attack or special with poms and the hestia and poseidon duos, then I feel like his best boon is just trusty shield.
I think his curse might be his biggest problem. It should either be stronger or more accessible (either inflicted by default by his clang effects or by anvil ring.) Glow's currently the only curse in the game you need two boons to access. Two Ares boons gets you grievous blow, making wounds better than glow at the only thing glow does on top of the fact that it doesn't even persist long enough to be reapplied immediately by the boon that inflicted it(without pom investment). I can inflict wounds on a whole room before it falls off the first guy I put it on. Same story with Aphro and sweet surrender except you also get an upgradable defense bonus too.

[boreal vessel]

First tried that bastard through sheer luck, maxed Morrigan and Freezer Burn

[craggy totem]

+hp tho 👀

[meager garden]

heph is quite strong at the moment
I do agree that his stuff is quite lopsided though.
His attack and special tend to be the best boons if you manage to land on them, funnily enough, even though they're trash most of the time.

[ebon sigil]

high rarity heph is strong

[boreal vessel]

Eh
Love me a Heph flourish on the Blades
I'm not using that dagger for damage anyway, having a free 500 dmg every 10 seconds and spamming attacks can be good
Plus, if I'm lucky enough to get Hestia on the attack, I can get the duo and make it 1k for a decently timed quick ranged attack, that's halfway decent

[verbal silo]

heph without rarity is just filler chaff. The cast should apply glow at least since it doesn’t count as a blast effect

[rotund hearth]

I mean there's also silver and lotus and yk, interactions

[meager garden]

I don't have anything left to craft so surface is even more profitable in terms of kudos

[boreal vessel]

Oh I was unsure about that
Boss stuff things are better up there ?

[meager garden]

also UW npcs are lowkey kinda bad, except Hades

[meager garden]

just comparing 1 to 1 I think bronze sells for more Kudos compared to silver

you cannot sell boss items

[boreal vessel]

||my brother in the unseen keep your spoilers spoilering||

[meager garden]

||this is h2-discussion though||

[boreal vessel]

Darn
Oh well

Anyways good luck on Prometheus @rotund hearth
Just had to spam him for ||epilogue quest||, that's a hell of a pain when you ||don't even know how many times you have to beat his ass||

[rotund hearth]

Scylla and Narcissus?? Come on!

[meager garden]

scylla's a boss
narc is ok but his rewards ard kinda bad

[rotund hearth]

Honestly if I ever beat Prometheus, I hope I beat typhon too so I never have to play against him again

[craggy totem]

I heard someone talking smack about my girl Arachne, meet me at Eos' place, Adamant Rails

[meager garden]

sorry you need to do it at least 5 times

[verbal silo]

echo

[rotund hearth]

Do losses count? I'm already on 3

[meager garden]

echo echo (she's ok)

[meager garden]

no, wins
Also surface materials are very important for progression so you'll need a lot of deep runs

[hallow kestrel]

Yall if you mute music at scylla you get special diaologue

[rotund hearth]

Mute game music or mute sound at your computer?

[meager garden]

game music, the game can't tell your system's volume

[hallow kestrel]

Game music

[boreal vessel]

oh that's why i got that
I was listening to something else so i mutede the music but not the sfx for a change

[rotund hearth]

I used to mute the system volume for Scylla's fight but now I just let the music play along. Idk adds to the vibe

[boreal vessel]

(i lowkey love this song now)

[meager garden]

yeah scylla's songs are all cool

[rotund hearth]

All of them

[meager garden]

even the love ballad

[rotund hearth]

Low-key I think the best Scylla song (game wise) is the one you hear from afar. Idk why, something about the atmosphere makes it hit louder.

The deeper you go, the more you hear

[hallow kestrel]

I love the concept that chronos gets mad when you pause the game when he fights you

[meager garden]

||he'll unpause you in rivals||

[boreal vessel]

So many little things the game throws at you with the systems and all

[craggy totem]

I like the vibes of I Am Gonna Claw Out Your Eyes but I have to admit that lyrically speaking, Miss Scylla was writing with more fury than finesse on that one

Song of the Isles is probably my favorite overall!

[rotund hearth]

||Didn't he use to unpause the game at one point||

[meager garden]

yeah

[hallow kestrel]

Changed it i think

[craggy totem]

Yes, in EA, but they changed it

[rotund hearth]

Scylla rivalled Narcissus for the title of most narcissistic person in Oceanus

[swift flare]

That line is so much fun to read

I am going to crawwwl out your eyes!

[meager garden]

no please don't crawl out of my eyes

[real dock]

is the best way to grind familiar levels just to do the chaos trials?

[craggy totem]

For the treat recipe that requires stardust? Yeah, I think so.

[real dock]

hm okay

[rotund hearth]

Funny thing is if you call Scylla out for the song clearly being about mel, she'll say Mel has a big ego and it can be about anyone.

Yes I'm sure many people with terrible hair come to fight you everyday, Scylla.

[meager garden]

chaos trials are pretty easy and short(less than 5 minutes)

[craggy totem]

You should be able to do all or most of it just with the ones that are 1-3 eyeballs IIRC, I never did any 4+ ones

[real dock]

i wish i didnt use my stardust on moondust earlier on

[craggy totem]

I'm also a fan of how she denies having written Bewitching Eyes ;D

Girl there is one (1) musician in this band who has a shell

[twin rivet]

Why is stardust so crazy expensive with the broker now
I swear it didn't use to be like this

[boreal vessel]

Inflation ?

[rough horizon]

Oh wow, watching the 67 Fear Shiva run... Guess regular strikes is the way to go and you can just not bother with the omegas at all (I found the aspect awkward the couple times I used it)

[twin rivet]

67 fear got cleared again?
Who did it?

[rough horizon]

Vytautas

Uploaded 5 days ago

[twin rivet]

Damn, bro has 2 cleara

[boreal vessel]

Last time I used Shiva i just made a Cast/Hex build with maxxed Omega
Just spamming all omega with Ares/Demeter
But I was far from 67 fear, guess those builds don't really scale properly

[rough horizon]

Yeah, I can't imagine that working, so magick intensive

[meager garden]

at 67 fear you have no arcana, and you have hubris 2, so mana can be an issue

[gusty apex]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-bucket-team-fortress-tf-gif-15812649

[meager garden]

no it's a gif of a bucket

[boreal vessel]

Guess you'd need Ares/Demeter + Apollo gain so you're permanently in your cast regaining Magick
But taking a gain that depends on a later Duo is a big gamble

[meager garden]

especially since most 67f runs get like, 10-11 olympian boons

[gusty apex]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-tf2-soldier-my-dear-god-dear-god-gif-16659739

[final goblet]

im gonna do a 32 fear run, anyone got recommendations for build?

[meager garden]

do you have hidden aspects

[final goblet]

yes 1

||aspect of hell from skull, but still lvl 0/1||

[fast kestrel]

I just realized Skelly is the only one in this damn game to have colored text

[devout cairn]

yeah aspect of moros, zeus on special and ur good

[final goblet]

then spam basic attack + follow up with specials or diff strat?

[meager garden]

omega special, then hold down attack

[devout cairn]

yeah do the omega special and spam attack afterwards

[mental flume]

he is the goat

[civic kiln]

Hi everyone. I have a question, I have around 100h in H2 and most achievements, but I have never seen a way to recruit more animal familiars than the first 3. But there's clearly 2 more spots, and one achievement even talks about upgrading.

Did I miss it, or does it just take this long for the opportunity to show up?

(low spoiler answer pls)

[devout cairn]

a mix of you missing them and some bad luck

which pets do you have rn?

[civic kiln]

||Frog, Raven, Cat, no way to "upgrade" them.||

[tranquil wren]

gale is found on olympus, hecuba is found in asphodel. you need all of them before you can start upgrading them

[civic kiln]

So you're supposed to be able to recruit them? Lol I can just greet them. Only been able to greet them (T) all game. Thought they we're Hecates pets or something so you couldn't get them.

[tranquil wren]

you need the treats brewed

[meager garden]

asphodel? did they change that?

[civic kiln]

Got 20+ treats haha.

[craggy totem]

After you've been running with the ones who don't work for Hecate, and you've met the ones who work for her, iirc there is a dialogue with her where she's just like "all right, they can work for you if they want"

[weary tartan]

if you keep talking to hecate they will eventually leave the hub and you will be able to recruit them in runs

[devout cairn]

mourning fields they mean

[civic kiln]

Omg... I never used the frog even once.

[meager garden]

the frog gives you bonus base hp

[tranquil wren]

oh yeah sorry

[civic kiln]

Well, that should be the answer then thank you haha.

[devout cairn]

gale is hanging out in the shop in olympus, hecuba is somewhere in the mourning fields i dont remember where but not the shop, so keep an eye out for those places

[meager garden]

echo, unless they changed it

[civic kiln]

No I've seen them like 100+ times, it seems I could never recruit them because I never used the Frog in a run.

[devout cairn]

that's kinda messed up

[civic kiln]

Frinos clearly the cutest, too. Just not my style in the field haha

[meager garden]

frinos just works best for me. Big hp bar for the first zone makes me feel a lot more comfortable

[tranquil wren]

gale's refreshing dodges is actually insane for me. pair it with lovers and I can damageless a lot of bosses

[civic kiln]

I don't even know what the others do, kinda nice to have some new content to try later

[devout cairn]

gale actually destroys my mental i hate see him popping up to nulify damage it's like the bastard is taunting me

[little frost]

I have opinions on this matter

[craggy totem]

wtf she's saving ur butt

[devout cairn]

as long as you dont pick toula you will be fine though

[little frost]

crezy

[meager garden]

I get hit by chip damage a lot so Gale is wasted most of the time

[civic kiln]

TIme to exit the chat before y'all start talking about them hehe. I started blind, intend to finish blind :D Thanks for the help!

[craggy totem]

She still gives you dodge chance! Don't overlook it!

[devout cairn]

nah i can feel the smugness

i hate losing gale charges more than i hate taking damage

[craggy totem]

LMAO

[little frost]

LOL

kinda real tho

[craggy totem]

My favorite part of the 67F Shiva VOD was the bit where Gale struck the coup de grace on Rivals Cerb

[little frost]

peak writing

[craggy totem]

Who needs Toula when the fluff noodle can protecc AND attac in a single devastating move

[weary tartan]

i have one run with each other familiar and like 150 with raki

i suffered through too much rng to get him im never switching off

[daring pivot]

Anyone know if ||Zagreus' arena contract|| can spawn in later shops, or just the earlier one(s) in the underworld?

[meager garden]

only midshops

[devout cairn]

uw 1,2 surface 2,3

[craggy totem]

Didn't someone say it's technically possible to get a midshop in Mourning Fields?

[weary tartan]

it is, charon can spawn instead of echo sometimes

i've seen it only once in my save and that was before i got ||the contract|| but i don't see why it wouldn't spawn there

[meager walrus]

Midshop fields is only possible in runs where echo cannot spawn

Which is only some story related runs (all of which happen before the epilogue) plus chaos trials

[weary tartan]

interesting, i thought it was just a low chance

[craggy totem]

Huh. Can you get the post-epilogue thing in question to spawn in a Chaos trial?

[weary tartan]

chaos trials don't get any special spawns so i seriously doubt it

[craggy totem]

Then I see why they said "technically possible", hah.

[nova oar]

Probably not

[novel turtle]

I got the first gift of night and my god

[craggy totem]

ISN'T IT GLORIOUS

[meager garden]

I wish the gifts of night ||were each a different gag||

[weary tartan]

im dreading unlocking the final one not gonna lie

[meager garden]

nah it's not too bad

[weary tartan]

i don't know if im more afraid of 32 fear or the thing behind that tarp

[craggy totem]

On the one hand, would be fun, but on the other hand, what they've got is pretty peak ;D

[meager garden]

idk it just means that the first is the best

[tawny slate]

Do hammers matter as much in this game?

[meager garden]

yeah, but less of them will mess with and derail your run

[tawny slate]

Also how do I unlock the list of booms in the codex, it doesn’t show anything for me atm

[meager garden]

gift all gods in the game

[broken glen]

Like everything in this game, it’s an incantation (unlocked through dialogue and gifting all gods)

[tawny slate]

Bruh

Do yall like weapons in the first game better or second game?

[meager garden]

second, by far

[tawny slate]

I feel like I’m only good with the witch staff atm, cause of the regular attack omega love

[tawny slate]

Nice I’m excited to unlock the aspects

[meager garden]

idk there are some people that are like "every aspect of Hades 1's gameplay was better, Hades 2 sucks"

[weary tartan]

the ones i like in 1 i love but the ones i dislike in 1 i never use

[meager garden]

yeah Hades 1 has a lot of misses

[weary tartan]

hades 2 weapons feel way more adaptable

[limpid oar]

to be honest after a while of h2, I don't really like h1's dashspam combat, rooms in this game are so much more interesting

[broken glen]

There’s no weapon in hades 2 that I would say is downright bad (except for Artemis which needs a rework due to just not being fun)

[meager garden]

I think the parry is a lot of fun, it's just too low impact

[weary tartan]

artemis is the goat idc

[thin laurel]

artemis has kind of grown on me, the parry mechanic still feels bad imo but the channel speed at least is quite fun
Ωatk spam on blades is neat 🤷 still needs buffs tho

[broken glen]

Having to sit there and wait for enemies to attack is boring, that’s just a shield. It would be a lot more fun if you parried by attacking when an enemy attacks you (like an actual parry)

[humble urchin]

have you considered our lord and saviour trick knives

[meager garden]

you can do that too, just do it fast

that feeling of seeing a spear flying at you and charging up your parry just before it collides is kinda addicting

[thin laurel]

doesn't it specifically not work with artemis for some weird reason lol? or was I misinformed
someone told me trick knives specials can't crit via aspect of artemis

[weary tartan]

if you learn to time it instead of waiting that little window of invincibility will serve you a lot

[wooden tendon]

Spoiler free question: once the Infernal Contract is unlocked, are there conditions which must be met for it to spawn, or is it random?

[thin laurel]

but then again I've never used aspect of artemis + trick knives so what do I know 🤷

[humble urchin]

they can’t, but trick knives is so broken you can just ignore the aspect

[craggy totem]

Random but only in non-preboss shops

[weary tartan]

people think that the parry mechanic is meant to be used defensively but it can actually let you be more aggressive

[thin laurel]

ah.... but then why not play pan/mel blades and ignore the aspect slightly less 😔

[meager garden]

yeah people talk about artemis being a ton of waiting around and I've never felt like that was the cast. The issue is more just waiting for the parry to recharge for me

[humble urchin]

it has a 40% chance to spawn in midshops

[wooden tendon]

oooh, so it's midshops, specifically though?

[meager garden]

yes

[broken glen]

||It has a 40% chance to spawn in mid shops in Erebus, Oceanus, Thessaly, and Olympus. In the preview patch, there’s a little symbol that’ll appear on the door if there’s a contract in the shop.||

[thin laurel]

which can (normally) show up in erebus, oceanus, thessaly, and olympus, so regions 1-2 UW and 2-3 SF
(fields can get a midshop in rare circumstances but idt the contract can spawn in those circumstances)

[sleek quarry]

woah fields can have a mid shop? i just got one. and this is my first tiem seeing in prob >1000 night

[thin laurel]

only for chaos trials and specific story events (like the "final" underworld run) as far as I know!

[sleek quarry]

oh i see. i am in the final story run.

[broken glen]

Yeah, it only spawns if there’s a reason that echo can’t spawn ||as in the final run, where Melinoe doesn’t speak after Erebus. Echo wouldn’t have anything to echo off of, so Charon spawns instead. ||

[weary tartan]

oh wow i never caught that in my final run

[thin laurel]

it makes things feel very dramatic... excited to catch more details next time, since I'm 1 run away from that in my 1.1 replay

[tawny slate]

Peak hades 1 weapon vs peak hades 2 weapon, which one wins for you?

[thin laurel]

ooooh.... that's a hard question actually
(I love the bow so much... I miss the bow 🥲)
ik I'm not the one you asked, but for me I think boonless h1 wins by a slight margin, but if you include boon synergy then h2 sweeps

[weary tartan]

in my playthrough of 1 my enthusiasm for the fists was definitely higher than any specific weapon in hades 2 but i heavily prefer the fight system in the second game

my playstyle is so different between the two games that i can't even confidently compare them in my head

[median flax]

Tbf the peak items in Hades 1 were often because of bug abusing...

[humble urchin]

realistically its boonless beowulf vs boonless medea

and the latter wins because beowulf with no cast boon is ass

[weary tartan]

I wouldn't say that I abused any bugs in hades 1, I never searched for any guides or anything like that and everything felt pretty natural

[limpid oar]

what if you are Mininet and play boonless staff

[humble urchin]

but if we're talking high heat/fear, zeus shield lowkey cooks

[thin laurel]

for me I just love the bow in h1 so much that the base satisfaction of power shots is hard to beat. + chiron antics. blood traids come very close but I like range.
but then in h2 you get things like Ω effects torch spam and it's kinda over for h1, the weapon synergy is so fun

[humble urchin]

well no the Mininet buff is unfair

[tawny slate]

Omg bow is my fav too

[limpid oar]

Eos is Zeus shield but actually fun

[weary tartan]

my main problem with the first hades game is that the fighting looks cool but gets old way way sooner than I expected

[tawny slate]

Is the moonstone axe good, I feel like I suck w it atm but I’m also only like 3 hours into the game

[thin laurel]

have you unlocked aspects? axe is good but if the basic axe isn't to your liking then chances are one of the others will be
(also dash strikes help me enjoy the base axe a lot more, it's very slow otherwise)

[quartz flame]

how to complete epilogue achievement? i have melinoe,find us prophecy, completed 3 runs with moros pin,on 4th die and got nothing

[tawny slate]

Not unlocked them yet

[craggy totem]

It's not three runs, it's three consecutive rooms in the same run

[storm glen]

dash attacks are integral to axe gameplay

[storm glen]

this is true

there really wasnt that much playstyle variety in h1

[tawny slate]

Also the Strat I figured w syclla is to try and line up all three w ur casts

🤔

[quartz flame]

and then in the 4th room I should just die?

[thin laurel]

if you like this sort of gameplay you will 100% like one of the aspects of the axe* lol
(staff too actually, but I meant to say axe)

[sleek quarry]

i also noticed that || during p3 of unrivaled chronos you get a new DD that looks like infinity was that in the original 1.0 release?||

[thin laurel]

||this was not in 1.0, and is I believe a scripted story thing for the final run! even if you don't have rivals turned on he has a scripted phase 3, and it's impossible to die during it. in the normal rivals fight you don't get infinite DDs lol||

[nova oar]

You reckon I should do a 62f run, all I have to do is get to p3 chronos and I win

[thin laurel]

if you do that just go 67

[sleek quarry]

|| you even get to skip hecate for that run lol ||

[thin laurel]

||67 with a hecate skip and figurine start, reset until you get judgement or some other run defining arcana, easy 67 ||

[proven lily]

||do you get to keep skipping Hecate if you keep failing after she gets yoinked||

[meager garden]

huh never considered that

[weary tartan]

i wondered the same thing about ||killing typhon|| but never bothered to check

[meager garden]

could someone have a save that has ||Hecate fridged for 100 nights because Mel can't finish the run||

[sleek quarry]

|| you cannot do surface runs till typhon can spawn again so there is no typhon skip ||

[proven lily]

||canonically uninstalling the game at that point, worst ending||

[tawny slate]

[thin laurel]

btw how far are you into the game? since I believe you can unlock aspects pretty early, iirc you just need to beat hecate with the first 4 weapons (or maybe first 5...? idr, it's been a while since I unlocked them)

[crude dragon]

First 4

Skull isn't needed to get the incantation

[honest solar]

silvagunner ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxE_DKMVg1g

[tranquil wren]

huh, I never knew you could get chaos on olympus

[merry echo]

Bro is everywhere

[humble urchin]

yeah only on the first chamber of it

[crude dragon]

No, they can spawn anywhere on Olympus

It's Ephyra that's only the first room

[craggy totem]

Yeah, I just got one in the same room as a Divine Intervention

[spare tinsel]

chaos is also completely unable to spawn on the Rift of Thesally, even on land areas

[tiny gate]

any tips for the arachne achievement? I haven't exausted her dialog but she hasn't mentioned the curse for a while. Hecate has no dialog left, andneither does athena (at least when using keepsake)

[spare tinsel]

i dont know about the summit though, havent seen it happen and i doubt it would

[spare tinsel]

meet athena naturally on Olyumpus to get more dialog i guess

[thin laurel]

I believe on the 1.0 patch you need to meet Athena on Olympus to progress dialogue.
If you're able to opt into the 1.1 patch preview, I progressed that quest while using her keepsake in the underworld, so I think 1.1 is going to change that so it's easier to get the quest done.

[humble urchin]

i see, i was mistaken then

[fast kestrel]

Ok chat which is better: Underworld or Surface?

[devout cairn]

undersurface

[fast kestrel]

true

[devout cairn]

surface though i like prometheus and i like ephyra and i like olympus soundtrack and i like summit soundtrack and ephyra soundtrack

but i play mostly underworld since Big Fear forces you to go there

[digital shoal]

i beat rivals heroes on my first attempt
i may or may not have 13 health left with no DD

[thin laurel]

imo:
ephyra > erebus
oceanus > thessaly
olympus > fields
tartarus > summit
so I like both routes about equally, my ideal run would be 2 surface regions and 2 UW

[merry echo]

Athena is too strong

[tiny gate]

wait why do I have so many kudos in the preview build

[nova oar]

They reduced costs of some things

[fast kestrel]

I kinda prefer everything about the surface besides the final area, plus I like Chronos WAY more than Typhon

[nova oar]

In total about 70k

[digital shoal]

i almost beat 24 fear surface on my first go 'round

[thin laurel]

I mostly agree, I just think rift of thessaly is kind of a boring region in most ways
idm eris, but the music, visuals, and boss fight of oceanus easily win imo
altho the surface has hermes shrines and circe has more fun offerings than narc, to be fair

[fast kestrel]

RoT and Oceanus are pretty interchangeable for me, I do like Scylla better though to be fair, so maybe swap those 2

ok now i just completely agree with your first ranking alright understandable

[teal zephyr]

The surface is overall cooler, more epic and more interesting for me

[digital shoal]

i got typhon past phase 2 but i forgot he does tongue swipe two times so i got hit for 70, then an eye shot for 40

[teal zephyr]

And you have so many sources for boons it's so fun to put together builds up there

[digital shoal]

my only gripe w surface is i wish eris had nemesis to fight w her

[fast kestrel]

fair, I really only have strong feelings for liking tartarus and chronos better than the summit and typhon

[thin laurel]

ephyra alone makes surface soooo fun lol, you get a unique feeling build so fast compared to UW

[digital shoal]

like prom and heracles

[devout cairn]

wish Eris had Ares to fight with her

[ebon sigil]

Charon aspect, chaos boom with plus special damage. Yes please. But it says for 5 battles you can’t use omega moves, and you don’t have a boon on attack or special yet and 5 battles takes you through Hecate.

That was hard and took way too long.

[vapid igloo]

why wont it le me drag in a scene shot

[craggy totem]

I'm a fan of Nyx's dialogue where she more or less straight up says that she used to ||go around beating people up with the Black Coat||

[digital shoal]

new members dont have image perms

[craggy totem]

Nobody has image perms for this specific channel, it's not a new members thing

[digital shoal]

oh fr? i thought it was a new members thing, mb

[devout cairn]

you get it after you beat 67 fear

[digital shoal]

on it chief o7

[tepid rune]

"Better" is a bit vague, but for me: I like Surface more overall:

• I like the format of Ephyra and how it lets me quickly put a build together
• I really like Thessaly conceptually (the hopping from ghost ship to ghost ship is super cool to me)
• As for Olympus, Olympus Aflame is my favorite zone track and Prometheus is my favorite zone boss so that's an easy one for me
• Summit is the only one I don't feel strongly about, but the rest of Surface more than makes up for it, for me
  • also, this only applies pre-ending, but being able to visit the Palace was really memorable for me as well

[meager garden]

no images directly in this server, except in victory boasting

[meager garden]

surface is better

[humble urchin]

underworld clears i’m afraid

(it’s truly a subjective matter)

[meager garden]

nuh uh

[humble urchin]

can you pet cerb on the surface?

no. end of discussion

[meager garden]

ok but uw doesn't have dio and his junk

[junior hollow]

can you see dio and his questionable design in uw

[meager garden]

it's not questionably it's godly

[junior hollow]

also are you able to fight rivals prom in the uw

[humble urchin]

no, huge win for UW

[meager garden]

yeah you can't fight ||old man yaoi||

[junior hollow]

nahh best fight hands down

in the uw you have rivals sycalla yea id rather not tbh

[meager garden]

surface is objectively better
Final boss of Surface Rivals is ||Typhon + Chronos
Final boss of Underworld Rivals is Chronos
You are getting 2 for 1 deal here.||

[junior hollow]

yea surfaces final boss rivals is also fun as hell

why does the randomiser give me 30 percent grit and both wards active 😭

[meager garden]

because it wants you to go slow and smell the roses

[junior hollow]

i cant go slow i have tight deadline 7 minutes

[meager garden]

go slow but go fast

[junior hollow]

i dont even have the 30 percent chanelling speed

ima undo this lmao

[merry echo]

Honestly chat i dont think ||typhon|| is especially difficult but getting to him is difficult

[junior hollow]

his not at all and getting to him is kind of easy as well

ephyra just helps you get a cracker build on that just carries majority of the time

[merry echo]

No ur just good

[jolly wing]

Do you get anything from gifting Nectar to Night?

[junior hollow]

the only thing about typhon is one small misclick and you take 60 damage

[junior hollow]

not at all lmao

[merry echo]

I have 85 attempts and still didnt get the true ending lmao

[junior hollow]

like rolling the credits or epilouge

[merry echo]

Rollin credits

[junior hollow]

i think im around 70-80 to

[junior hollow]

how????

did you play hades 1?

[merry echo]

Yeah

[junior hollow]

did you finish it?

[merry echo]

Yeah

Beat hades 10 times and then tried out some of the pact of punishment

[junior hollow]

so you have experience with a rouguelike

[junior hollow]

i played on hell mode 😭 (it automatically activates 5 heat from the very first run and you cant remove it)

i think it took me 35 runs until i beat the game for the first time

hades 2 took me 8 or 9

[merry echo]

Hades is my first roguelike but i played a bit of balatro as well

[junior hollow]

yea same as me except balatro after hades i only got into rougelikes this year after 3 years of hell playing valorent

[merry echo]

I found out 3 ppl actually beat hades with all heats turned on

[junior hollow]

yea but they had mods on i think

it was pretty much impossible

[merry echo]

Btw do u think hades got nerfed in hades 2?

Storywise

[digital shoal]

iirc it was just seed mods right?

[junior hollow]

well he was shackled for a while so yea i think

[digital shoal]

so they could get the seed where they actually have a chance of winning

[junior hollow]

yea it was for the rarity and stuff and right boons

[little frost]

i think there was a legit unseeded one tho right?

[junior hollow]

i dont think so

[digital shoal]

i got into roguelikes w Risk of Rain 2 in middle school, besides fighting games they're easily my most played genre

no genre has stuck with me as long as roguelikes have besides soulslikes

[junior hollow]

yea nah right now i love rougelikes and probably gonna stay like that and soulslikes as well

[meager garden]

ngl I bounce off of most roguelikes even though I respect them a lot lol

[junior hollow]

the only reasoned i stayed playing valorent and some other shooter games were cause my mates played them I didnt really enjoy it that much

[merry echo]

Some people do no hit runs i think

[junior hollow]

yea but not 62 heat

[little frost]

yea the unmodded 64 heat by angel1c was verified

[junior hollow]

oh damn i dont think ive seen it

[digital shoal]

boateds was seeded right