h2-discussion

[dire plank]

You kinda have to manipulate the game to get it. Like selling all your boons that could level up and losing a death defiance in Erebus, alongside not running anything that gives you rerolls. To add salt on the wound if you completed his quest he has one additional bonus added to his pool which I assume makes trying to get life savings more difficult

Even then it’s still random

That hammer is not available for the Shiva aspect you need to use any other aspect to get it

[opal obsidian]

I thought it was for Shiva

[fleet wave]

Question, if I’m running moros torches, and I get the +1 special projectile thingy, does it result it more hits?

[opal obsidian]

have I been reading the side bar incorrectly

[dire plank]

It’s for Xinth which Shiva is an aspect of but the hidden aspects sometimes don’t have the same hammers as the regular ones

[opal obsidian]

ahhh okay i love using shiva no wonder it never shows up

[fleet wave]

What even is shiva? Aspect for what weapon

[opal obsidian]

black coat

[fleet wave]

ooh

[opal obsidian]

hidden aspect

[fleet wave]

is it coat's best aspect?

[opal obsidian]

it’s my favorite but idk if best

[crude dragon]

It will result in you having a third orbital when you use the OSpecial, yes

[devout cairn]

40F clear on first try, and at the end of the day I just wanna say that it's the player that matters, and not the weapon, the weapon is irrelevant.

[crude dragon]

Second-best after Nyx, but requires a really good mana regen

[nova oar]

It is the best imo

(If you disagree with me I would like to remind you 67f was cleared with shiva before nyx)

[shrewd geyser]

Shiva is the only one I enjoy playing, Selene used to be fun in EA but something feels diff about it idk

[nova oar]

Top ten photos taken before disaster struck, N.O 1: https://imgur.com/a/aVEUTGy

[humble urchin]

absolutely fair gameplay, nothing wrong here folks

[nova oar]

I took 40 damage

[shrewd geyser]

Skill issue L positioning

[nova oar]

Hold on i'll get the clip

[nocturne grove]

this feeling ah

why does melinoe go so crazy for aphrodite blessing

[craggy totem]

Does she?

[nocturne grove]

I dont remember her going I want blood I want blood when I pick an ares blessing

[nocturne grove]

you never noticed?

[craggy totem]

I mean, is she going like "I want love I want love" or something, I feel like even I would have noticed that

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/FW6OfrK @humble urchin @shrewd geyser

I lied it was 14 damage

[humble urchin]

see the mistake you made was very obvious imo and how you could’ve completely avoided the damage

the mistake is that you were playing this game

[nova oar]

Yeah my bad for picking up the controller

[humble urchin]

(i just fumbled p3 chronos and im salty)

[shrewd geyser]

That's an insane clip 😂

[nova oar]

Maybe if I had've gone down instead of up

[shrewd geyser]

Spawned into death and made it out

[humble urchin]

yeah if you cornered yourself at the bottom left after dropping your cast it might’ve grouped em up enough to be able to dash through em

but yeah, extremely unfortunate room lmao

[swift hill]

Anyone know why the "acceptance of another fate" incantation isn't showing up
I already beat chronos and typhon multiple time at 16 fear

[nova oar]

Need to beat them more

[craggy totem]

Why the hell are Oceanus chambers Like That, anyway? Instant zerg rush like damn.

[humble urchin]

you need to do 32f underworld and also get to the epilogue

[nova oar]

In hindsight I agree but I dropped in and panicked lmao

[humble urchin]

oh no i would’ve 100% done the same and probably took more damage.

[nova oar]

Oh that incantation

[craggy totem]

I don't think you need 32F underworld. I have not done that and I have the incant. The highest fear I have cleared is 20.

[humble urchin]

hmm, must’ve been changed with 1.0? not sure

[nova oar]

You never expect the 20 armoured beyblades with orbits

[humble urchin]

in EA it was beat both end bosses 7 times each and clear 32f underworld

with 1.0 an added prereq is to also have gotten the epilogue, maybe the fear requirement changed

[craggy totem]

Actually, I remember already having that incant when I was trying for GCB (because I was rerolling the bad GCBs), and GCB was my first 20 Fear clear. So I assume the Fear requirement is under 20.

[shrewd geyser]

yeah i would've def fumbled more hp

[humble urchin]

still not worse than speedy wailers in erebus though

[craggy totem]

I did definitely have the epilogue complete for quite a while already so maybe that's the ticket. @swift hill have you finished the epilogue?

[nova oar]

True that

[swift hill]

is it the ending were chronos became nice or is it the fates one?

[humble urchin]

the latter

[swift hill]

Nope i guess i still need to complete that 🫥

[scenic gust]

hmmm Having a bath scene with Character counted as skipped rooms requirement for the Cauldron cooking

[shrewd geyser]

same with fishing and ambrosia if you go to bar

[covert badge]

this feeling, eugh

[fleet wave]

what was the god boon where it gives you like +5 mana on attack hits?

[little mason]

jesus

[fleet wave]

Lol

[shrewd geyser]

cardio gain

[scenic gust]

Cardio HIIT

[fleet wave]

was that hestia?

[craggy totem]

Yes

[little mason]

budda?

[craggy totem]

Apparently it and several others don't work while you're actively channeling, which is a pity

[devout cairn]

tranquil gain my beloved

[craggy totem]

Well ye cain't channel with that one either :PPPPPPPP

[shrewd geyser]

my ass will not be tranquil

[devout cairn]

it's so fast...

i havent done voR chronos with frenzy 2 yet but there's no boss where you cant chill for 0.5 seconds, born gain more like boring gain

[shrewd geyser]

whoah hold on, I am an active born gain hater

[craggy totem]

Why does no one ever stan Flood Gain

[red agate]

Just 3 more aspects and I will have finished all of achievements but it’s so late

[shrewd geyser]

don't you libel me

[devout cairn]

cuz it sucks

[robust hare]

what is voR, rivals?

[craggy totem]

Yep!

[devout cairn]

I apologize I wasn't familiar with your game

[shrewd geyser]

it's fine it's fair to assume someone likes born gain

[robust hare]

my favorite gain was poseidons old one, and ig ares has the same one now but it just doesnt feel the same for some reason

[craggy totem]

ur grain silo sucks due to effectuating grain entrapment upon unsuspecting agricultural workers by means of lateral pressure

[red agate]

I’ll use any gain except Ionic

[mystic rune]

II just got all the aspects lol and i think im calling it a night, the acheive i got says 5.7% of players. so i think thats the one for getting all of them

[devout cairn]

I'm pretty sure no legendary Ionic gain is gonna let you to get hit more often by trying to pick up those lame ass orbs

[red agate]

Well I just have to complete a run with every aspect

[devout cairn]

you are not gonna confuse me with those big words, tranquil gain no diffs literally every single gain it isnt even funny!

[craggy totem]

GAIN ENTRAPMENT

[robust hare]

youre saying tranquil gain is good?

[devout cairn]

the best

[robust hare]

hmm alright

[devout cairn]

sit your ass down for 0.5 seconds

[red agate]

I use it to gain mana when I get caught by time bubbles on Chronos

[shrewd geyser]

what about no gain unseen

[craggy totem]

Melinoe, like her brother before her, FAMOUSLY does not SIT. >:O!!!!!!!!!

[mystic rune]

also all my weapon are between 16 and 20 nightmare, and they are 4 of them are the final surface boss lol... im not really up for those types of runs at 1 am. better i get some sleep

ohhh and yea i still need to do that, but when it says " reach the lowest depths" from the fated list, all you have to do is even chronos room, who don't even have to win.

[devout cairn]

dont even joke about it

[shrewd geyser]

[dry cipher]

Did I miss the grain silo beef

[shrewd geyser]

zamn wth

[covert badge]

sorry thats too harsh

[devout cairn]

woah wth

[dry cipher]

What happened? Something was there and then it wasn't

[shrewd geyser]

they issued a retraction of their statement lol

[craggy totem]

Look, she's the goddess of agriculture, I had to think of something

[devout cairn]

average hades discord reaction when you dont like a boon

[craggy totem]

Grain entrapment is pretty scary though fr

[shrewd geyser]

I'm a different strokes for different folks kinda of person, just don't call stuff bad when you don't know how to use it is my thing

[meager walrus]

shiva is bad

[dry cipher]

Woah

[craggy totem]

U gotta spice up ur bait better than that, put some sauce on it

[shrewd geyser]

see like, youre trying to make me LOSE IT

[meager walrus]

they hated me for i spoke the truth

[craggy totem]

Put some herbs and truffle shavings and microgreens on that hot take

[dry cipher]

I was dealing like 2k damage with Shiva so idk

[nova oar]

Shiva cleared 67f so i'm not listening to you

[shrewd geyser]

@nova oar whack his pp

[thin laurel]

I stg if erebus gives me not a single offensive boon before the miniboss one more time even w artificer I am going to scream, pls...

[shrewd geyser]

Oh look there she is

[thin laurel]

she didn't need to be called, she felt it in the air

[devout cairn]

when i wanna see that

[shrewd geyser]

Somewhere, shiva is being slandered

[meager walrus]

that was a fake clear he had 0 magick and just pressed attack

[dry cipher]

Parvati wont stand for this

[craggy totem]

Invite not the wrath of goddesses, for as Chronos and Typhon learned, tis a hard road with no end

[dry cipher]

Real

[craggy totem]

Besides, spamming normal specials on Shiva is still funny ;P

[meager walrus]

my maybe hotter take is that nergal without psychic whirlwind is bad/unfun

[shrewd geyser]

Well… for Typhon ||there was definitely an end||

[shrewd geyser]

Bad for high fear? Perhaps, not fun? Slander

[meager walrus]

also hel is kind of bad too but thats maybe not so hot of a take

[craggy totem]

I would rather play Hel than Nergal ngl

[dry cipher]

Nergal and Thanatos are my mains

[meager walrus]

thanatos is good nergal

[shrewd geyser]

Than is the opposite idea of nergal

[dry cipher]

I mean Nergal still kicks like a horse so I don't mind

[shrewd geyser]

Than is don’t get hit, Nergal is hit the enemy no matter what

[craggy totem]

Nergal does have the advantage of seeing Melinoe drag around a weapon bigger than she is, which as I understand is a draw of some RPGs

[thin laurel]

nods sagely...
two sides of a golden coin (that's spinning round)

[dry cipher]

I love my comically fast hammer/toothpick

[devout cairn]

also nergal's animations clears

[dry cipher]

I whip my hair back and forth

[robust hare]

are there legendary fish like there were in H1?

[shrewd geyser]

Plus I was a really big Arthur enthusiast in H1

[craggy totem]

Well that explains more than it don't

[thin laurel]

hidden aspects beginning with A lover

[dry cipher]

I was so excited when I realised Arthur was the hidden aspect

[vocal adder]

How is hel bad???

[craggy totem]

Don't believe so. I've caught everything and I don't remember seeing anything marked out specially...?

[nocturne grove]

I liked playing baseball with arthur

athena attack and the projectile gets stuck in hallow ground

[meager walrus]

you try so hard on hel and it feels like you are doing so much but then you realize you did the same damage as three attacks from another aspect

but its okay I have a really good strategy for winning with hel

[shrewd geyser]

Camelot! Camelot! Camelot! … it’s only a model

[meager walrus]

its called being a skillful player and seeing zeus in chamber 1

[fleet wave]

doesnt air quality kinda suck balls

[meager walrus]

its okay

[devout cairn]

nah man, air quality does not suck balls

[dry cipher]

I'd rather have it than not

[meager walrus]

the main reason zeus is good is because blitz is broken, double strike is broken, storm ring is broken, static shock is broken, all his duos are broken
except zeus/apollo but we dont talk about that one

[devout cairn]

lore accurate zeus

[vocal adder]

I usually use ares

And pos

Hel is insanely good at spreading status

[craggy totem]

Blitz is genuinely a teensy weensy bit bork, I had a run where it did like more than double the damage of anything else lmao

[dry cipher]

Helios is my default, I like range

[craggy totem]

Bro you didn't just call Apollo "Helios", man's gonna bully you until you turn into a tree

[dry cipher]

Oh

Wait my bad😭 I forgor

[craggy totem]

Five million gods.... like we were discussing earlier /nodnod

[dry cipher]

Who was Helios again? Roman version of Apollo?

[thin laurel]

selene but for the sun

[craggy totem]

No, he was the -- yeah

[thin laurel]

roman version of apollo is still apollo
helios is iirc the sun titan p much

[craggy totem]

I wonder how he would have looked in Hadesgame style 🤔

[dry cipher]

OH, I forgot Apollo wasn't the one pulling the sun everywhere

[craggy totem]

He's too bougie for that

[devout cairn]

damn i thought helios was an olympian, god of war lied to me...

[dry cipher]

He's apparently the patron deity of homosexuality, based

[thin laurel]

hyacinth <3
also yeah apollo rly is very like..... he specializes in a lot of things at once

[dry cipher]

Wait, Wikipediea says he's the god of the sun, does that mean Helios is constantly towing him around?

[craggy totem]

God of X doesn't mean he is X

[dry cipher]

Would've been funny tho

[craggy totem]

Sounds like he's really a pollomath

[thin laurel]

if anything apollo is the one towing helios around lol
also I think different - LMAO my god that pun
lost my train of thought uhhhhh

[craggy totem]

kdfjdfjk

[thin laurel]

right, different traditions give the same god different roles
so roman apollo vs greek apollo, or even greek apollo in different stories and different regions may not be 1:1
how sun affiliated he is may fluctuate idk

[craggy totem]

How many gods got particle collider'd together to make him, or was it more of a fracturing thing

[merry echo]

Just got ||my first boon from hades||

||i still cant believe he was imprisoned like this considering how strong he is||

[craggy totem]

Never underestimate your elders!

[hearty timber]

He would turn you into the next animal familiar

[craggy totem]

Finally, the GOAT familiar I've been waiting for

[hearty timber]

Since Hecuba and Gale used to be humans, I do wonder what they must be thinking when you take them to fight the father of all monsters

[broken glen]

….they used to be humans??

[hearty timber]

Yesss lol, Hecuba was the Queen of Troy and Gale was a witch

[craggy totem]

Wait, in the game they were canonically those people? Hecuba sounded familiar but I just assumed they were namesakes

[broken glen]

Same! Did Hecate morph them or something?

[merry echo]

The unseen just keeps restoring my magick bar permanently right?

[craggy totem]

Yes, although it doesn't refill while you're actively using magick

[broken glen]

Yes, but it is a trap. You are better off just getting a gain boon from a god and using the 5 grasp on something else. Please do not use the unseen.

[crude dragon]

Yeah, but you're burning 5 Grasp on the equivalent of an Epic Lv. 1 Glamour Gain

[craggy totem]

Excuse you, you don't need enemies nearby for The Unseen smh smdh

[merry echo]

Oh alr yeah im sure i got something like that in some attempt

[crude dragon]

It is not worth it in comparison to, say, 25% more damage (up to 50% at rank 3) for applying 2 debuffs at the same time

[craggy totem]

Gain boons should be showing up in every attempt!

[crude dragon]

Or turning on the Fates arcana for more dice to play with (as well as starting cash)

[craggy totem]

Why take reroll arcana when I could simply eat forbidden fruit

[crude dragon]

Well in that case, you'd want Excellence over Unseen

Or still take Boatman and just not take dice

[craggy totem]

That boatman sure does get everywhere :P

[crude dragon]

Honestly, the only reason he's not on Olympus is because he hasn't found a river up it

[merry echo]

For the judgment arcana which enemy is a guardian?

[crude dragon]

Region bosses like Hecate

[merry echo]

Ah

[crude dragon]

🐀 is not a region boss despite the name on the health bar, he is a miniboss

[merry echo]

Uh oh!!

[crude dragon]

Fun fact, he is the same Tiny Vermin from the first game

[dry cipher]

I want that rat dead

[merry echo]

But much faster

[craggy totem]

I should be the only one allowed to move that fast

[hearty timber]

According to the book of shadows it seems to be the case

[merry echo]

Or maybe because i used the chiron bow in the first game so it was a bit of a cheese

[craggy totem]

Guau.... I should read them entries....

[sour charm]

if i enabled crossplay on my switch, then disabled it and progressed a bunch on my switch, when i turn it back on, on the switch, will it update my pc safe file to where my switch save is at?

[rotund hearth]

Give me freedom
Give me fire
Give me Zeus revenge boon
Or I retire

[hard jay]

Almost beat 55 fear for the first time but died to ||phase 3 chronos||

I didn’t have any defensive boons, chronos has extra health and damage and my build was very close range so I can’t say that I didn’t expect this but alas

That being said, I got this run in not even 2 hours of attempts so I can definitely do this

[lyric zenith]

Just a matter of time

@nova oar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef9DQTHiQsk

[nova oar]

Same thing happened to me doing 55f

[nova oar]

I saw it this morning i'm very happy

[lyric zenith]

W aspect

[torpid owl]

My god how many times do you have to beat ||Prometheus|| to get the ||3 fates dialogue||? I've done it like 30 times now and have pretty much finished everything else in the game lol

[thin laurel]

idk, but also if you're fishing for boss dialogue I recommend using chaos trials so you can skip the other 3 regions

[torpid owl]

It's for the true ending with ||the 3 fates||

[thin laurel]

I know that much, I just don't remember exactly how many times you need to talk to him, I'm on my EA save so his dialogue was pretty much exhausted for 1.0

[torpid owl]

ah okay

[lyric zenith]

He was my last requirement, as well.

Odysseus quest took me longer to start, though.

[novel turtle]

I feel like medea would be a lot better if on MK

[jaunty basin]

Medea is the strongest aspect, what

[novel turtle]

I know i'm just not liking it because of how it feels for me on controller

[merry echo]

Sister blades' special is so similar to the chiron bow special from the first game

[novel turtle]

Does the ||pom|| effect stay if I swap it off

[prisma walrus]

I don't even know what weapon that is

[covert badge]

||If you’re talking about Jeweled Pom, yup, the bonus sticks even after you swap it out. Just don’t switch to Olympian keepsakes or Gorgon if you want to keep the Fates’ Whim effect active. That said, it’s not like they’re banned or anything. Gorgon is totally fine if your build’s already stable and you don’t need more scaling. Just don’t pop it in too early when you're still fishing for key power-ups||

[brisk harness]

me with 48 attempts:

best I got is a than axe 40 and not even on rivals 4

[nova oar]

What aspect/vow setup/arcana?

[brisk harness]

i would have to drive out of work to tell you right now

but uhh my closest attempts were on post-nerfs supay

[covert sage]

I just got back to base, and forgot I just unlocked ||Skele's next statue. Wow, that's... a thing. Who makes those things...||

[wispy forum]

i love mel's reactions to them HAHAHA

all her flowery language; she's trying sooooo hard to be nice

[covert sage]

I really didn't like Skele in Hades 1, but he meshes so much better with Mel who is trying so hard to believe him. Their dynamic is one of my favourites in the game

[hearty timber]

Agreed, she actually believes he's a war hero so it's funny af

[covert sage]

Hey, we don't know otherwise. Maybe he is a war hero. And also part time sculptor, I guess

[hearty timber]

The good commander schelemeus

[covert sage]

I wish the game would show me the conditions needed to get some of these prophecies done. It's all well and good giving me the names of all these boons and curses I need, but without knowing why they're not being offered, there's not much I can do.
The list tells me I'm missing "Beach Ball". That doesn't tell me anything, and I don't want to have to leave the wiki open to progress

[brisk harness]

check book of shadows
I don't remember if you needed an incantation for that boon display function tho

[silk field]

You do

[prisma walrus]

Beach Ball is Poseidon/Apollo duo I believe

[sleek rover]

Does this server not have a tag?

[split shuttle]

wdym tag

[buoyant matrix]

the "SG" you have in front of your name

[merry echo]

Im struggling to deal good damage lol

[frank mulch]

Hi fi rush epic and cool

[proud gyro]

has SG announced when the soundtrack is coming to apple music?

[merry echo]

I have 52 failed attempts on the game lmao

[split shuttle]

finally. someone recognizes peak

[merry echo]

Do i unlock more stuff by going to the surface?

[frank mulch]

I haven’t finished it but it is in fact peak

[split shuttle]

man just go finish it

[hearty timber]

Apollo poseidon duo

[hearty timber]

Certain materials can only be found on the surface like to unlock the black coat mechsuit

[split shuttle]

beat the final boss on the hardest difficulty so you know i like this game

[hearty timber]

Bro conquered 67 fear

[split shuttle]

no i meant hifi rush

[hearty timber]

Oh nice

[slim pike]

Beating the surface a few times as well as the underworld is a requirement for seeing the ending

[merry echo]

Which one should i do first tho

I already have 52 attempts just the underworld

[hearty timber]

You should clear the underworld first and then go to the surface imo

But you can find hera at the surface which can make your underworld runs easier as she starts showing up in the underworld

[remote sentinel]

i do whatever i feel like in the moment
a lil bit of down a lil bit of up

[grim pollen]

mix of both helps not burn out, though i think underworld is meant to be eaier to clear?

[buoyant matrix]

correct

[remote sentinel]

yeah surface beats my ass on the reg but i can clear down relatively consistently

also a lot of npcs acknowledge when you mix it up

act 2 underworld guardian actually says they hadn't seen us in a while

[slim pike]

a few surface runs will get you the resources needed to unlock some stuff

[grim panther]

Guys I have maxed out everything and unlocked everything, every dialogue in hades2 don't know what to do anymore so just gonna go play some hades

[tranquil vine]

💀

[lyric zenith]

Fear ladder, of course.

[tranquil vine]

you mean scylla?

[glossy shadow]

Eris

[glacial light]

eris is surface not underworld

[glossy shadow]

I missed the word underground 😭

[ionic furnace]

who would win melinöe vs percy jackson

[glacial light]

Cursed Percy or non cursed?

[meager elk]

depends who has the plot armor equipped

[ionic furnace]

i only read the first book so idk

[glacial light]

cursed percy prob wins but uncursed percy probably loses

unless melinöe has prep time for spells

[ionic furnace]

percy typically is a swift close quarters fighter so i dont think mel could get the chance unless she manages to get some distance

also we have to take into consideration where they fight

[glacial light]

but is percy immune to melinöe's cast if not then hed be rooted

[ionic furnace]

for example mel could hurt percy very heavily with the trees in erabus

[ionic furnace]

i think he would get that standing in a glowing circle is bad so he would avoid it

[meager elk]

are we talking base melinoe or she full of boons?

[ionic furnace]

but mels omega boons may be harder to avoid

[glacial light]

idk percy give barbarian energy :P

[buoyant matrix]

percy would probably just be an erebus miniboss for melinoe lmfao

[ionic furnace]

i would say 5 boons

[buoyant matrix]

blitz would be enough

[glacial light]

so end of erebus?

[ionic furnace]

yeah

[glacial light]

but Poseidon boons are out due to it being his son

[ionic furnace]

fair. but theres also a lot of bodies of water in erabus

[meager elk]

so in this scenario, they could fight in the hecate arena

[glacial light]

zeus and ares would be the most willing to give boons to mel

does hecate arena have water?

[ionic furnace]

i dont think so

[nova oar]

no

[remote sentinel]

yeah intentionally vague cuz spoilers i guess

[glacial light]

so we probs wouldnt do it there maybe in that soldier miniboss in erebus

[ionic furnace]

yeah since both sides are covered by water

[glacial light]

that way its mostly even and both fighters can use their powers

but what weapon do we think mel would be using lim and oros or the staff?

[ionic furnace]

i think the sister blades since in most images she is using them

[glacial light]

so shed get huge backstab damage

[ionic furnace]

yes

[glacial light]

so cursed percy would have a hard time

running off the basis that zues and ares boons would be the most likely we should pick 5 the mel would have

[meager elk]

Wouldnt any zeus boon be just a oneshot potential unless percy can take more than one lightning to the face

[storm glen]

percy can take it

[median flax]

I've beaten the game and only encountered Charybdis once, she almost bodied me because I had 0 idea what her attack patterns are

[buoyant matrix]

funny i encountered her three times in back to back runs ON 62 FEAR ATTEMPTS

[glacial light]

i think percy can take it

[glacial light]

i feel like i get her every surface run

[median flax]

I only got her once. Only one time, and it was actually my last surface run

[glacial light]

ands she nearly bodies me every time

[median flax]

Luckily I had a completely busted strong build so it was super free

[meager elk]

I would rather fight charibdys than the pirate guy

[median flax]

Nah the pirate guy is easy

[buoyant matrix]

charybdeez is free at point below 55ish fear because the moveset is very simple and she's susceptible to any form of area damage

[meager elk]

Charib is more fun to fight for me while pirate guy is kinda boring
Personal preference

[buoyant matrix]

https://youtu.be/VO6ZueemovY?si=AqMFVwICFcuN-fi2
just gonna shamelessly plug this here again

[unreal hare]

this is the only attack i couldn't understand

every time i do surface runs charib is top 5 damage every time

[meager elk]

the part where you tripped on the tentacle was funny otherwise, very informative video

[glacial light]

lightning lance, ionic gain, viscous strike, grisly gain, profuse bleeding seems balanced

[buoyant matrix]

she never popped one up so close to the door smh

[humble urchin]

apparently it got patched with 1.0

[elfin heron]

oh noo chaos just said he has no further wishes to communicate with me at this length q.q

[buoyant matrix]

it didn't, used it yesterday like 3 times

[humble urchin]

neat, seems like whoever told me that just didn’t nail the positioning

[covert badge]

mfw thermal and romantic pops up at the same time (denial on)

[buoyant matrix]

also have to get there asap

[buoyant matrix]

romantic is overrated take thermal 🔥

[prisma walrus]

I don't remember what the aspects are called.

I know them more by appearance

[buoyant coral]

in hades 1 when u gave ambrosia to someone u got those cool calls , is there anything like that in hades 2 ?

[buoyant matrix]

you didn't get calls for ambrosia

[buoyant coral]

cause i just gave ambrosia to strife and didnt get anything

not calls , whatever those items were called bro , like the rock thing from sisiphus

[humble urchin]

yeah companions kinda replace that or hexes if you choose to interpret it that way

[meager elk]

the plushies?

[buoyant matrix]

ambrosia is just to max out bonds now

[buoyant coral]

ig , havent played in a good while so i dont know what they were exactly

but is there anything like that anymore ? or u dont gain anything by doing max bonds

[nova oar]

No there is nothing like that

[buoyant coral]

that sucks : (

[nova oar]

Once you get the keepsakes thats it gameplay wise

[meager elk]

You gain a chibi picture next to their keepsakes

[buoyant coral]

damn that sucks : (

[inner hamlet]

Man, I still wanted to see Patroclus on H2, would be cool if he was at the crossroads, with Achilles captured because he has at the house of hades when Chaos first attacked

[slim pike]

You get an image on an arcana card you won't use and that's it

[glacial light]

Theseus tartarus miniboss when :P

[fresh kelp]

I love fear

I just got timed out

[meager elk]

I dont really use swift runner but i do like using excellence

[glacial light]

you talked pretty quick for someone who was timed out you sure it wasnt just slowmode stoping you from quick typing?

[fresh kelp]

I meant I ran outta time in hades 2

[glacial light]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[nova oar]

What fear/time level?

[fresh kelp]

Max time

[hearty timber]

Hordes or grit on?

[fresh kelp]

What's grit again

[nova oar]

Extra health

[fresh kelp]

I had retrieving souls on

I don't think I had hordes on

[nova oar]

Probably just bad luck then

[glacial light]

Just died 3 times on unrivaled hecate idk if aspect of charon is right for me

i ussualy die 0 times

[ruby storm]

Was wondering if there is an epilogue to this game like in Hades 1?

[glacial light]

theres a achivment for it so i assume so

[ruby storm]

Makes sence. Prob have to max out bonds and fulfill prophecies

[teal zephyr]

There is

[teal zephyr]

There is a learning curve to rival bosses so that's normal

[glacial light]

yeah guess its just cuz im using a weapon im not accustomed to

(and only had 2 non special boons ie hermes and artemis)

[teal zephyr]

Also remember that you can dash while channeling the o special

[glacial light]

thanks for the tip i did actualy forget

(gonna spoiler 1.0 spoiler) ||if i unequip jewled pom do i still get the bonus from then or only on the previous stuff||

[wheat osprey]

can revenants spawn revenants?

[meager elk]

Lasts whole run or until you break the fates whim rules

[glacial light]

Thanks

[toxic hedge]

How do I start "Improbable Outcome" prophecy? I've done almost everything related to Chaos, maybe exvept for Great Chaos Below

Yes frustrating since it's only one of the few achievement related to prophecy which I haven't even gotten and no guide mentions how to get it

[toxic hedge]

Whole run or unless you equip the God's keepsake (except from Dionysus, Hermes and Artemis)

[toxic hedge]

Like I'm genuinely confused. How do I unlock the prophecy for this?

[nova oar]

No

[latent flower]

Wasn't it something about meeting chaos with their keepsake?

Or is that something else

[buoyant matrix]

do you have every aspect and keepsake and vow and pet unlocked

[toxic beacon]

did any1 else get a friendrequest from someone named Onyx

[merry echo]

"Oh, you're the fiend's sister!"

I feel like theseus just hates zag for no reason

[glacial light]

Sounds about right

Zag walks past Theseus stuck to the chair (again) says nothing and continues on

[merry echo]

Asterius was the respectful one haha

[red agate]

2 more aspect runs to go, I can see the end. Gonna take my steam deck to work and knock one out on my lunch break

[glacial light]

What's it like having a steam deck they are ungodly expensive for Australians

[red agate]

It’s alright, I don’t use it as often as I’d like but it comes in clutch sometimes

It’s just so damn big and heavy

[toxic hedge]

That's "Born to Win"

[toxic hedge]

Ah, got it

[glacial light]

Isnt it using chaos keepsake from start to finish of a run

[shrewd geyser]

Cthonic companions, but yeah they aren’t in this game

[elfin heron]

Man narcissus is tilting me

Guy just wont show up so i can get 100% finally

[glacial light]

That's cuz he doesn't care about you only himself (kidding)

[shrewd geyser]

Nah that is born to win or smthing like that

[glacial light]

Ahhh

All I remembered is I have the achievement for doing it

[shrewd geyser]

You birthed victory from your egg

[glacial light]

Indeed

Got it to 4 stars with the duo and landed on heroic strike on a axe run

[shrewd geyser]

I know it’s not but this looks like Abracadaniel

[fickle orchid]

vow or rivals Typhon is crazy but I got him first try

[tranquil vine]

Just beat 16 fear surface let's goooooo

[urban anvil]

yo whats the best knife aspect? I've already beaten the game and I still think the knife aspects all suck

[tranquil vine]

They kinda do :/

I think morrigan is the best

[tepid rune]

Honestly I still default to Mel blades even after maxing the others

[urban anvil]

arent they useless against typhon tho

[tranquil vine]

Yeh

[tepid rune]

I mean sure, but there’s more to a run than Typhon

By the time I get to him I have a build strong enough to melt him with or without backstab anyways

[urban anvil]

i always SEVERELY overestimate the range of the daggers, and it makes clearing enemies a NIGHTMARE

[dusky mountain]

play apollo then

[urban anvil]

and aspect of morrigan special gives me brain dmg i hate it

[dusky mountain]

works better than youd think

[urban anvil]

the aspect idea is nice but i just cant get used to the special

[tranquil vine]

I love pan

[urban anvil]

pan seems fun in theory, but the omega special takes WAY too long to cast, even with multiple omega move speed buffs

[tranquil vine]

It's does not take way too long :|. You just need some spacing.

[urban anvil]

eh, ill take charon over pan ANY day

[tranquil vine]

I find the special on the daggers way more consistent than the attack simply cus of what you mentioned before

Charon was so good 😭 😭

[shrewd geyser]

Best Lim and Oros is Morrigan

[drowsy briar]

does saluting do anything besides the odd voice line

[tranquil vine]

You get to feel like a chad

[drowsy briar]

I'm struggling against rival guardian fights so much

[shrewd geyser]

Which ones

[drowsy briar]

i.e medea x polyphemus wiped the floor with me... i didnt stand a chance

[pallid cradle]

The special is just there for the triad application. I would never try to build around the special on Morrigan.

The aspect kinda has a "best way to attack" where no other option even comes close.

Dash strike into normal strike. The dash strike gets you into the final hit of the basic combo (the big AoE one) and you slap Apollo on the attack so that covers an entire room.

[shrewd geyser]

Dash strike into button hold for omega into special

[urban anvil]

ok that makes sense

[pallid cradle]

If you get sweeping ambush you throw Omegas around too.

[urban anvil]

i was starting with omega attack

[shrewd geyser]

If you hit with omega attack first throw special then do attack, and button hold if you want to keep comboing

[modern gazelle]

I'm looking for a small hint for Narc's 1st lock I'm smashing my head into a brick wall and don't particularly want to look up spoilers

[drowsy briar]

getting damage in isn't a problem for me, it's not taking damage from the bullet hell

[pallid cradle]

Unless you're in boss fights I don't think it's worth trying to proc triad personally. Everything will die from the dash strike combo.

[shrewd geyser]

I like doing it anyway for big number

[pallid cradle]

Bosses are where triad actually becomes good as long as you didn't get the final slice hammer.

[meager walrus]

Triad is only worth it for tanky enemies imo

[shrewd geyser]

Well yeah, any non tanky enemy doesn’t have 777 health lol

It’s also nice to kill things after you pop their armor tho

[meager walrus]

I think the main combo is omega attack -> special -> attack -> dash cancel the attack cooldown -> omega attack -> attack

If you do it fast enough the special will hit on the way back and proc the second triad

[shrewd geyser]

Still waiting for the omegas special follow build to be solved

[slim pike]

they do, just not after you've slashed it, thrown an axe at it and then blown it up with an omega

[shrewd geyser]

That’s what I meant

[slim pike]

quite

[merry echo]

Can someone tell me what the flaming stuff you get everytime from defeating hecate does

[shrewd geyser]

Considering all you have to hit them with, they won’t have 777 left is more accurate

[slim pike]

also Wicked Onslaught also can carry morrigan, I know final slice gets a lot of spotlight but don't ignore this one

[meager walrus]

Im still banging my head against the wall trying to go fast with bad aspects

[shrewd geyser]

Just a crafting material for weapons and decorations

[meager walrus]

My goal is sub 10 minutes surface on every weapon

[merry echo]

What about the fishes i catch

[meager walrus]

Had an awful hel run followed by one that looked promising, but the promising run ended with... 10:01

[slim pike]

morrigan has weird base power values, they really like repeating numbers

[shrewd geyser]

Sell them for bones at the broker

[merry echo]

Oh

[slim pike]

attack sequence is 11x3, 33x3

[meager walrus]

Which is really tilting because it means I have to play hel again

[slim pike]

use them to raise your rank at the tavern too

[pallid cradle]

That hammer carries every dagger aspect.

[slim pike]

unless you're being special focused, where the similar Reaper Knives pulls its weight

[meager walrus]

Every other dagger aspect can spec into the random trick knives build though

[shrewd geyser]

Morrigan is a trio god

[merry echo]

The thing in the middle?

[pallid cradle]

I still hold you could delete half the hammers on dagger specifically and people would actually ask if the weapon itself got buffed.

[slim pike]

it's a very late game incantation to spend excess resources

[slim pike]

Shaddup I still like my.. uhh.. sureshot flurry

[shrewd geyser]

“She is often depicted as a trio of sisters—Badb, Macha, and Nemain—though sometimes she appears as a single entity.” - Google ai

[pallid cradle]

Can't lie to me.

[merry echo]

Most of the stuff rn need certain materials which I assume are only from the surface

[slim pike]

yes, focus on that first, leave those other resources be for now

[runic glade]

What’s the best boons for aspect of shiva?

[shrewd geyser]

Apollo special, heph or aphro attack

[slim pike]

Although hidden knives can go hard sometimes

+3 extra on omega no matter how much channelling, unlike pan's +5 max charge levels

and still available for morrigan

[pallid cradle]

Hidden Knives is now a combo hammer with trick knives. As soon as they murdered Pan, most of the special hammers became complimentary to trick knives imo.

[slim pike]

they don't combine into 6 trick knives iirc?

[pallid cradle]

No but they buff the damage of them

[shrewd geyser]

Not right what they did to Pan 😭

[slim pike]

oh, right, I didn't think that particularly relevant

[pallid cradle]

That first line with the % damage increase affects your trick knives.

[slim pike]

yeah, but clearly reaper knives is way better for that

[devout cairn]

looks like things didn't pan out for that aspect

[drowsy briar]

is there a formula/list/source anywhere for pom of power scaling

[slim pike]

panned by its critics

[slim pike]

it's definied individually for each boon, so no but I can probably just dig it out if you need one

there's a very loose idea that the first pom is equal to one rarity level

but there's so many exceptions that ehhhh

[pallid cradle]

Medea is still allowed to clear rooms before you blink tho.

[shrewd geyser]

I mean, at least you have to be good to use it but yeah, give pan some love. As a Chiron bow lover this hurts me deeply

[slim pike]

just make the homing daggers into a hammer upgrade and give pan the oldskool hook knives function

[pallid cradle]

I don't understand the sentiment that you have to be good to use Medea. I had a friend who was struggling to win runs consistently and I told her to equip Medea and put Zeus on the special. She sent me 4 straight screenshots of win screens and asked "how is this weapon allowed to be this strong?"

[slim pike]

Medea has a skill floor certainly

since you have to run at enemies right in the face with a non-invun dash

but yeah, it's got so much raw power that you can just get away with so much once you've got basic survival instincts sorted

[shrewd geyser]

Playing on no fear? Then yes you don’t need skill with ANY weapon

[pallid cradle]

It's like playing mage in a souls game. If you have even a remote idea of enemy movesets you're about to pubstomp the game.

[shrewd geyser]

Disagree, playing Medea with frenzy active or modifiers on armored enemies quickly makes it a lot harder

[pallid cradle]

It's one of 2 weapons I've cleared 50Fear with. One of those 50s being before Rivals so you couldn't turn off pain and a level of scars if you wanted.

[slim pike]

also it's an aspect that doesn't care much for mana usage, nay slowed down by it

so you're free to use Hubris and prime away your entire bar on whatever you want and it's fine

[pallid cradle]

Even moreso after they neutered possessed array

[slim pike]

nor are you hamstrung until you have the right gain boon

[slim pike]

neutered is a strong word, it's still obscene

[pallid cradle]

The best gain boon for Medea now is probably Demeter's. Stand still during the boss immunity phases to regen so you can possessed array nuke the boss again if you have it.

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah but you’re clearly pretty good at the game clearing 50f, the average player slamming on Medea going into a 20+ fear night isn’t gonna just cruise imo

[slim pike]

you can two procs of cardio gain each rush too, so that adds up

slightly less than 25 needed unless you pommed the bajeezus out of it, but it helps offset things

[pallid cradle]

That's why I didn't use myself as the example of why I think the skill requirement isn't that high. I'm pretty good at the game, but my friend who I told to use it was still pretty new to the game.

Even on 0 fear going from struggling to breezing 4 straight runs is a pretty noticeable power spike.

[unkempt raft]

am I the only one who wishes narcissus kept his early access portrait....I think it was funny that way

[shrewd geyser]

I agree, but I feel like it’s a playstyle that is easy when the game is easy, and hard when the game is hard

[dreamy forum]

i finally got the denizens of the deep unlock dialogue and i immediately got the achievement and the prophecy fulfilled image lmao

[pallid cradle]

I actually think that would've been much funnier, but the twink route was open and they took it without thinking.

[unkempt raft]

truth nuke so big it killed untold millions in the ensuing blast

[pallid cradle]

Another Hades 2 blunder

Stares violently at the ending and epilogue

[honest solar]

i killed typhon phase 1 on 33 phase before i died :( so close

[slim pike]

he never had it in game, it was datamined out

the graphic we actually had was just a placeholder used for everyone

[pallid cradle]

Charon's Hades 1 model was also better

Much more spooky and ominous.

The only character who got an undeniable glow-up in the portrait department was Chaos

[shrewd geyser]

I just wish Narcissus looked like nick cage

[pallid cradle]

Would've made him a national treasure

Hahahahahaha

||Mods, if you ban me for that I would understand completely and wouldn't even try to appeal||

[devout cairn]

that would be a dream scenario

[shrewd geyser]

He freaking sounds like him, it’s all I could imagine in EA

Some sexy Squidward looking Nick Cage as narcissus

[pallid cradle]

The robes staying on would've been more fitting/thematically funny because of the fact he makes comments about people being so enamored by him that they can't look away.

Keeping him hidden would've been much funnier.

[drowsy briar]

support fire + air quality my beloved

[slim pike]

consider: demeter and air quality

[shrewd geyser]

Keep him hidden until you form a bond, then show his art and he’s horrifically ugly

[pallid cradle]

Plot twist of the century.

[shrewd geyser]

I could just imagine Mel trying her best to remain polite

[mystic rune]

so i played like 50 hours in early acess and i used God mode, and i started a fresh profile I have used God mode 0 times, but man, pushing nightmare 20 and rivals... like hecate is fine, but half the time i can't even beat poly. have yet to beat eris... I think I'm gonna try for a few more hours today and if i can't do it, im going to flick on God mode, cause this is only gonna get harder, because I am going for the unrivaled all bosses and 24 surface 32 underworld nightmare.

[pallid cradle]

Nah. "THAT is what you've been hiding?"

Mel has that 3 year old kid sense of brutal honesty.

[shrewd geyser]

In the next visits though she’d have to apologize and act right lol

[devout cairn]

what vows are you running

[pallid cradle]

I still hold a beef with Narc to this day....

Annoys the absolute hell out of me that he has a part in his bond process ||that he just flat out won't reward you for like 5-6 visits||

I'm spoiler'ing that because I think you really should experience it blind.

[shrewd geyser]

Not only will ||not reward you, but they’re actually gifts FOR YOU NOT HIM||

[pallid cradle]

The first time it happened? Kinda funny. Every insuing time? Oh I wanted to drown him.

[urban anvil]

damn, i just nearly beat zag hitless for the first time then threw RIGHT at the end fml

[shrewd geyser]

Gaaah, you’re strong… Blasted strong I’d say

[urban anvil]

now i just got queen's ransom with only one zeus and one hera boon

thanks for the plus 4 lvls on a single boon i guess?

[prisma walrus]

You know that trial where you get a bunch of Hera boons and one Zeus boon at the start? I got King's Ransom on it one time. I wish I'd won on that attempt.

[jolly hound]

It’s annoying me that it says “typhon eradicated” while every other boss is “boss vanquished”

[shrewd geyser]

That’s probably because you are ||permanently killing Typhon||

[mystic rune]

well depends on the weapon, im anywhere from 12-20, that was actually only a 12 run where i died to eris, and it was due to rivals, i went into fight with like ~125hp.
1 pain
2 grit
1 ward
1 horde
1 menace
1 time
2 rivals
= 12
very easy vows, and i was running staff, if i was running like daggers or medea i often pick up hubris. but the vows aren't the problem, it was rivals and me exploding her bombs by walking into them like 10 times and dying.
ie if i got past eris, || prometheus|| and ||typhon|| would have been a joke for me this run, it was getting pretty stacked actually

[humble urchin]

you picked some of the hardest vows, you could make even a 20 fear run easier than this honestly

[urban anvil]

yooooooo echo just gave me shocking loss, best girl echo

[dreamy forum]

i am unsure of who to romance so ill pick the easiest option, none

[prisma walrus]

I know who I'll pick

[fickle orchid]

definitely an odd choice
just maxing out hordes is 3 fear and it's really not that hard
grit is also fine
menace isn't that big of a problem too
I don't see why you'd pick time

[craggy totem]

You're allowed to do as many as you want or none at all, so feel free :)

[fickle orchid]

I did 16 fear surface and I just went all in on rivals, hordes and 1 grit I think

[craggy totem]

One pip in Time is extremely easy. Nine minutes per region, 36 minutes per run.

[prisma walrus]

I could never do any fear level honestly

[fickle orchid]

You could

[craggy totem]

If you typically can finish a run in under 36 minutes you absolutely already can!

[split shuttle]

he has a point

[fickle orchid]

I guess so
I haven't played around with the time vow though
Didn't touch time heat in hades 1 either
is time paused in like the Charon shop and etc?

[humble urchin]

sure hordes when you dont have any of the other vows on is easy, but like why would you ever pick it up over hubris 2 and another tick in time lmao
grit makes all enemies (which you have 60% more of them now) have even more health, and more importantly, bosses also get the extra health
menace is defintely easy, yes
time is honestly free, especially time 1 and 2

[craggy totem]

Yep, it's pretty forgiving.

First rank is 9/region, second is 7/region, third 5/region. Reasonably spaced difficulty increases imo.

[fickle orchid]

I forgot
Is hubris the one that primes magik for non-common boons

[humble urchin]

its based on the in game timer, so you can pause, it doesnt tick down during boons. stops at charon shops, nemesis/artemis encounters

[craggy totem]

Yes, it is.

[dull tendon]

How good is Cardio Gain on Ygnium

[craggy totem]

Unfortunately less good than it seems, since most of the Gain boons don't function while you're actively channeling

[dull tendon]

That's a shame

[craggy totem]

I know, right? Would be so good.

[dull tendon]

Would be FAR too good

[humble urchin]

pretty good unless you have a ton of extra channel speed, or a lot of the boons that make omegas cost more like fine line

[craggy totem]

B-but fine line is my f-friend....

[elfin heron]

for fun why else i dont find hubris and forfeit fun i rather stay strong and unnerfed and make enemies stronger instead heh

[dull tendon]

I got that and both Demeter and Poseidon's omega attack boosts and the hammer that makes channeling faster

Could notice the gauge dropping faster than without them

[craggy totem]

We had a bit of a chat about Hubris recently and apparently stuff like Heroic Vow and Steady Growth straight up circumvent Hubris

[fickle orchid]

Are any of the magik gain books particularly bad
I can't really think of one
I guess I don't like Zeus too much because you need to go to a specific spot to get it

[mystic rune]

lol did i really? i think pain is really rough, i should probably take that one off, and honestly i should be doing + 1 more time, what stops me if like im mid run now, and sometimes i sip my coffee, chooot my vape, check my phone and i lose a few seconds here and there, but i've started to get into the habbit of pausing,

but like just this morning. I had to trash a whole run, because i almost forgot to take out my Garbage, it's garbage day, didn't pause the game i was on the mountain, had like ~15min or something, came back with 2 min.... i just hit give up, cause there was no way lol.

[humble urchin]

yeah then if you dont have a higher rarity cardio gain or some levels, it might struggle to keep up in longer fights

[dull tendon]

I was at rare and I think 2 poms in

[craggy totem]

Yeah, getting into the pause habit is good. Plus if you are on PC, there should be an option to autopause while you're tabbed out?

[fickle orchid]

I think it does do that

[humble urchin]

forfeit is one of the harder vows too. You're allowed to play the game however you find it fun, doesnt mean that there aren't objectively easier vows

[dull tendon]

It was recovering 10 iirc

[real scarab]

it's good if you use pom keepsake and don't use fine line and such

[humble urchin]

yeah just getting into the habit of pausing and time 2 will be absolutely free. especially if you had 15 mins remaining on olympus lmao

[devout cairn]

2 grit definitely isn't doing you any favours if you are struggling with bosses, i'd even push time to lvl 2. Getting used to shadow isn't a bad idea either if you plan to increase Fear in the future, the added enemies arent that bad.

How is your Arcana setup? Please tell me you are not running judgement

[dull tendon]

How to get the pom keepsake I'm like only 20 runs deep in the game 😭

[craggy totem]

Epilogue, spoiler.

[tranquil wren]

it's post ending, not epilogue

[dull tendon]

I don't mind spoilers at all

[craggy totem]

Sorry, you're right, yes. Finish the main campaign and ||talk to mum and da||

[dull tendon]

Hope it's not too long my last run went all the way to Chronos already

[elfin heron]

ah i guess if you just want easiest possible highest fear, personally im trying to find setting which is harder but not over the top annoying or broken but like the more i play the more i see its easy to break the game 😒

[craggy totem]

It's so important to cultivate those relationships :)

[fickle orchid]

is the pom keepsake considered good
or is having re-rolls more worth it

[elfin heron]

lately was doing this and its still rather easy
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMywwLDYsMywzLDAsNSwxLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwwLDAsMTJd

[craggy totem]

It's considered pretty good by many people!

I personally never ran rerolls during the entirety of the main campaign, so it was kind of a free take for me 😅

[elfin heron]

just many boons are broken mostly dodge i guess need nerfs

[humble urchin]

The pom keepsake is very fun to use, and is objectively strong at higher fears (so it works for lower fears) God keepsakes and rerolls is more consistent

[mystic rune]

no on judgement but thats another thing i should fix to be honest if im stuggling on rivals, back where i said i was doing this 12 fear run and died on eris with ~125 hp, I'm running strength and Raki and whim of the fates with jewled Pom, I should consider picking Up DD's and maybe Tula, and rerolls

[craggy totem]

Naw bruv, the play is to keep Strength and run Gale for the dodge/block 👀 /propaganda

[fickle orchid]

me personally I usually use my 10 rerolls to gamble on a higher rarity boon

and then it's whoops! all commons!

[craggy totem]

That's what happens when you mess with Fate

[prisma walrus]

I think I average about 10 minutes per biome with full grasp and actually using all of it...

[fickle orchid]

I might keep running no rerolls though even if I won't use the pom keepsake ALL of the time
because not having the reroll arcana leaves me grasp for some good ones

[craggy totem]

WIth in-game time? Fair enough

[humble urchin]

i think if you're not running the pom, reroll corner has too much power not to run it. but aye, play it however you find it fun

[devout cairn]

Low fear I'd personally go for Strength but maybe it's a preference thing. If your biggest roadblock are bosses right now, avoid any vows that buffs them atleast for now. Take away that Grit and Pain, those are probably killing you. Also Pain with DD does not sound fun

[fickle orchid]

Or I guess I could use Arcana loadouts which are a feature in the game for a reason

me when I buy an upgrade only to never interact with what it grants me EVER

[devout cairn]

that's the first time in my english typing life i've ever mistyped your as you are, I feel very dumb...

[prisma walrus]

Apparently my scythe run was only 21 minutes in-game time and my most recent win was 23 IIRC.

[craggy totem]

See, okay, you're fine. The in-game timer is super forgiving.

[humble urchin]

if the biggest struggle is bosses, DDs are better since you can save them for that encounter. Strength's point of power is that it also makes healing more effective, which isnt applicable within the boosfight itself

[craggy totem]

Lots of places, it's just straight-up paused. People mentioned shops and boon pick screens, but also all the end-of-zone areas with the keepsake cabinets, the transition room, etc.

[humble urchin]

oh yeah i havent touched that ever, i just manually change em everytime i need to

[prisma walrus]

And this is with EM1 btw, I wish I didn't have to do surface runs to get higher ranks

[craggy totem]

But then how do you enjoy the cute arcana loadout card backs 🥺

[split shuttle]

plus if u time out while still having dds ur dds can still save u even while timer ticks are damaging u

[humble urchin]

true, Strength's DR doesnt work on timer damage

[craggy totem]

Huh, it's damage and not just setting you to "dead"? Interesting.

[split shuttle]

i can confirm this myself as i was a minute overtime during my 58 fear mel blades surface run and i still survived and won thanks to dds my goat

[prisma walrus]

I doubt I'm ever going to beat EM4 though. I never did in the first game (EM3 was as far as I got).

[craggy totem]

I'm very glad they didn't make it required to actually beat Rivals 4

[humble urchin]

yeah, after your timer runs out, you take 5 damage per second until you clear the region's boss, or until you die

[prisma walrus]

I wish Middle Management was still a thing, the midbosses getting extra moves made them a lot more interesting imo

[tired cloud]

Nooo I hated middle management in asphodel

Mainly cuz I'm bad at the game lol

I always got beat by the gorgon head and the rock

[humble urchin]

middle management with that gorgon head was hellish lmao

barge of death MM was just funny though

[craggy totem]

Is Shadow the closest equivalent? I never did Heat in H1

[tired cloud]

Tbh fear in h2 is a breeze compared to heat in hades

[prisma walrus]

I never had an issue with the Gorgon

[tired cloud]

I spent 3 months trying to get that last skelly statue

[humble urchin]

yeah, it functions with the same purpose of making midbosses harder but MM was more fun

[prisma walrus]

But yeah, I just can't do any fear

[devout cairn]

like none at all, you can atleast do timer...

[prisma walrus]

Yeah, none at all

There's no way I'm surviving having only 5 minutes per biome, especially when Hecate is such a time sink.

[craggy totem]

Time is nine minutes per biome at first rank

[prisma walrus]

Knowing me I'd still run out of time trying to deal with EM1 Hecate...

[craggy totem]

I will bet you nine internet dollars you won't :P

[devout cairn]

but you are not going against EM1 hecate if you don't want to

[tranquil wren]

if you've got to ending credits you can absolutely do some fear imo

[prisma walrus]

At some point I should do EM2 and 3 but Prometheus is already brutal for me.

[prisma walrus]

I haven't though

[craggy totem]

Did H1 require you to take EM or something as some kind of unskippable thing??

[humble urchin]

it did not

[prisma walrus]

No

[tranquil wren]

neither does H2

[prisma walrus]

I chose to do EM because the bosses other than Hades himself and sometimes Theseus were trivial before I even reached credits.

[humble urchin]

i must also say, rivals bosses are actually a threat compared to EM bosses (not counting EM4)

[prisma walrus]

In H2, only Hecate is trivial without EM but I'd rather just do harder bosses than deal with any fear at all.

[stoic urchin]

on the topic of fear it is kinda crazy how ||heracles' bond is locked behind rivals 3||

[split shuttle]

even hubris and menace?

[craggy totem]

But wait, if you're turning on Vow of Rivals, that's already putting Fear on 🤔 oh I misunderstood lol

[prisma walrus]

Hubris = no omegas by the end of the run for me. I basically never get max magick upgrades.

[craggy totem]

Ah, you don't yet have the incant that buffs minor finds, I assume

[tired cloud]

I like the one boon from medea that gives you magick every room

[stoic urchin]

yeah its very rare and idk why

[tired cloud]

That makes it way easier and hecates trinket gives you magick for the whole run

[devout cairn]

i like the thing i do which is never enter a medea room never ever

[prisma walrus]

Nope

[tired cloud]

I've had RNG gods in my favor then lol I get it most runs

[craggy totem]

Rude 😔

[prisma walrus]

Minor finds are useless to me

[tired cloud]

When she shows up anyway

[craggy totem]

Well, the buff is that it makes minor finds also give you +hp/+mp/+boonlevel

[devout cairn]

it's hard to resist the boons when i can get my build online in the first area

[split shuttle]

just get more magick or equip silver wheel, plus there are weapons/aspects which dont even need magick like mel staff or circe staff

[dreamy forum]

so im doing rivals 4 rn and accidentally skipped the table with the stuff you can only claim with 12 fear or more so that sucks

[prisma walrus]

I have grasp maxed out so I'd much rather be taking nectar to progress hearts and randomly pomming stuff than going for ashes or bones

[craggy totem]

It is a little bit funny that a witch's staff doesn't need magick

[devout cairn]

pretend it was something useless

[prisma walrus]

I prefer the scythe pretty much always

[craggy totem]

Yeah, maybe it was moondust 😂

[dreamy forum]

ill try...

[jolly hound]

It’s fine it was just a Pom slice go kill chronos

[split shuttle]

yeah and the scythe doesnt really need omegas, you can rawdog it with attack only and still win

[prisma walrus]

I need omega special though

[split shuttle]

especially blitz attack

[craggy totem]

Are there people out there running high fear on axes? It sounds extremely painful to me, a chump

[prisma walrus]

It's my only ranged option

[jolly hound]

You may wanna take Hecuba if that’s a problem

[split shuttle]

me but only nergal

[devout cairn]

i hate doing scylla with axes so no

[jolly hound]

Thanatos axe with its higher attack speed feels good

[craggy totem]

Exactly!

[prisma walrus]

My point is that I can't take fear, not that I need Hecuba. I happen to hate dogs btw.

[craggy totem]

w o w

[jolly hound]

same but do you hate them more than having no mana

[prisma walrus]

Yes

[tired cloud]

What's everyone's fav familiar?

[craggy totem]

Anyway as previously established you can totally take Fear, just like, do one little rank-one vow that you can manage instead of a thing that you definitely can't 😆

[jolly hound]

are you using the artificer arcana that lets you turn minor rewards into major? that’s worth a magic heart and boon in Erebus most of the time. That will help with the mana problem

[craggy totem]

GALE MY BFF FOREVER 🙏 ❤️ 🌪️

[prisma walrus]

Birb

[devout cairn]

I use all of them except for Toula

[split shuttle]

gale 100% my goat

[tired cloud]

I LOVE GALE TOO

[split shuttle]

toula only if im running circe staff

[craggy totem]

When I do Raki runs I'm always like "ty for the crits but man, I miss Gale"

[prisma walrus]

I will not deny I use Raki specifically for those few times I land a crit Mutual Destruction final axe attack hit. 2k+ damage in one go feels so good.

[jolly hound]

birb. Start with epic pp and mark is too strong. Been using frog since I’m trying to learn strength instead of dds and in a coward

[tired cloud]

Tbh I religiously used toula to beat the game but now the bird and gale are op

[mystic rune]

well i'm trying to do rivals for the fated list, and i finally beat Eris after like 6-7 tries, not counting the times i died on poly getting to her lol. Honestly what made Eris much easier for me this time was i got the hammer with special bounce ( i was using staff but i think dagger has the same thing, makes ur special bounce) and all i had to do is shoot 1 bomb and it would clear 2 more automatically.

[tired cloud]

I use gale with the black coat and Apollo rush boon and go brrrr

[limpid oar]

I mostly use Raki for Circe staff, these two just work together really well

[devout cairn]

congratz now onto rivals prometheus

[tired cloud]

Agreee

[split shuttle]

id say frinos is the only eh familiar cuz frog for me personally is the sheep ball blocker and that's it

[craggy totem]

Frinos makes up for it by being TOO CUTE FOR THIS WORLD

[limpid oar]

Frinos feels like the beginner familiar and honestly I'm kind of fine with that?

[mystic rune]

indeed i took care of siren rival last night so i got ||dog|| and ||prometheus|| rival unlocked

[craggy totem]

He is the one you start with! And yeah, that's fine. I think he's specifically tuned to help a new player out.

[tired cloud]

I love when he hops in front of chronos projectiles for me

[prisma walrus]

There's an achievement on Steam for killing the witches while sheeped, how is that even possible? Does scorch count for that?

[dreamy forum]

just defeated rivals 4 typhon, much easier than prometheus and his lover

[limpid oar]

you can attack as a sheep, easiest way is to knock a tree over when a witch is nearby

[craggy totem]

Just hit your m1 and you can sort of melee while morphed

[tired cloud]

Omg rly I didn't even know that

[prisma walrus]

As long as I'm not dying to 3 Hecates spamming who knows what, anyway.

[little mason]

spoiler if you kill hecate || doesnt that mean mel would die too || hecate spoiler for 1.0

[prisma walrus]

Is Moon Water the only hex Hecate doesn't use in her boss fight even on EM?

[little mason]

she doesnt use it because its the weakest of them all

[humble urchin]

well its a sparring/training match, you see that she returns to shadow and doesnt really die

[little mason]

so its like dragonball z

[prisma walrus]

No Wolf Howl either come to think of it.

[little mason]

shes actually does use wolf howl

[humble urchin]

she does use wolf howl in rivals

[crude dragon]

No, she does Wolf Howl

[little mason]

goes into the air and crashes down

[neat steeple]

and phase shift and skyfall

[craggy totem]

Selene was like "leave me outta this one"

[neat steeple]

(Also hi I’m new)

[little mason]

her in rivals she does telegraph goin into the air and comes crashing down

she does mini skyfall with those little hexes that chase you

[humble urchin]

that is mini total eclipses isnt it? pretty sure she shouts it

[little mason]

yes that

[neat steeple]

skyfall is the coat aspect of Selene hex

[unreal temple]

Why is boon purge such a late game upgrade they not even that good brah

[prisma walrus]

Honestly, I'm glad she doesn't have Sky Fall because that's Aspect of Selene only.

[little mason]

its mels aspect???

[craggy totem]

What? No.

[prisma walrus]

Triple Divide -> Ω Special would be nigh impossible to dodge if she was using that.

[dreamy forum]

What? no

[sweet cove]

I’m embarrassed to ask but what are surefire ways to dodge Hekate’s transformation spell other than Frinos. I tried dashing towards it several times with success but it’s hard for me to do that with VoR on

[little mason]

umm?what

darkside

[prisma walrus]

I'm saying only Aspect of Selene can use sky fall.

If using Twilight Curse destroyed it that'd be funny imo.

[little mason]

but mel uses it when she has the aspect on

[crude dragon]

You want to wait for when they bunch up on Rivals to dodge through

[craggy totem]

And that's why I'm saying, Selene decided to sit this one out :P

[little mason]

she doesnt sit?? she orbits

[neat steeple]

Oh yeah I was curious who even uses those
Like every boon I have is somewhere between helpful and integral to my build
And on the rare occasion I have something I don’t mind parting with it’s likely to not show up in the purging pool anyway

[craggy totem]

There are some boons that take effect when you pick them up and then don't do anything. Purging them is just free money.

[neat steeple]

At least nemesis will give like 700 gold for a mid common boon why is the pool so stingy lol

[neat steeple]

Hmm true

[prisma walrus]

I got Hermes legendary for the objective and then purged it.

[craggy totem]

That's another good use!

Or if something happened and now your build can't support this much mana usage/mana priming? Purge those suckers

[prisma walrus]

It probably gave me more money than I lost from doing a boss with it.

[neat steeple]

Yeah true too
But for me the issue becomes the pool not showing up with any boons I’d like to purge

[little mason]

i wouldve rather had golden rule on hermes then the dumb paid dues

[limpid oar]

I love Hermes legendary, ||Chrolex throws crazy amounts of money at you and i often don't have anything to spend it on anyway ||

[craggy totem]

Debt can't touch you, huh? :P

[humble urchin]

Solid Gold baby

[little mason]

"insert i love gold gold member meme"

[wheat osprey]

Hey i just got done with the 3rd stage of the rival Oath thingy. is there a 4th stage for chronos and typhon?

also how come that all the overworld rival bosses are nerfs while all the underworld rivals are hell (except for mommy hecate shes chill)

[craggy totem]

Yes, there is a fourth rank.

There are some differing opinions on the relative difficulties of Rivals bosses :P

[limpid oar]

in what world is rivals Prom a nerf 😭

[wheat osprey]

Its so much easier

[limpid oar]

I agree for Eris, can see this argument for Polyphemus but theres no world where rivals Prom is easier than regular Prom

[wheat osprey]

he is way more passive and you get to abuse any aoe you have

[craggy totem]

Is he actually more passive or did you get lucky (this is a genuine question whose answer I don't know and would like to know)

[wheat osprey]

vibe based assumption no actual info

[limpid oar]

there's the mechanic of an "active" and "passive" boss between the duo so honestly I am willing to believe that at nofear they just nuked it while Prom was in passive mode

[craggy totem]

Well, not nofear, technically, but I assume you mean no other vows

[little mason]

so an ass pull "proof trust me bro"

[wheat osprey]

i run ~30 by default

most fear things can be a buff imo like the extra enemies or faster enemies. more gold and quicker clears since they close the gap to you faster)

[limpid oar]

chat hordes3 is beneficial to turn on

[craggy totem]

I assume you make more money from killing the extra enemies ;P

[wheat osprey]

you make it sound like its not. Which in that case i look like a fool

[limpid oar]

yes, people very often do not turn on hordes until they start pushing into the 50s

[craggy totem]

Quick Buck + Paid Dues + Hordes 3 meta

[wheat osprey]

i mean it doesnt hurt to have more enemies anyway

[limpid oar]

and rivals 3 to bully passive prometheus

[limpid oar]

it does because 1) more things to kill = more time spent in the rooms and 2) more enemies = more stuff to dodge and potentially take damage from

[wheat osprey]

i will not be made fun of until i get stomped by the two. then i will correct myself. till then im convinced that guy is passive

[craggy totem]

Someone is going to write fanfiction about this (and I support them in spirit)

[devout cairn]

i mean if it's fine for you, people usually ramp up Vow of Time which does not go well with Hordes 3

[little mason]

when you assume you make an ass out of you and me

[wheat osprey]

i run time, revenant and hordes

Also i still have my beloved eris bell on. just cant live without

[craggy totem]

There should be like a VIP club but instead of Very Important People it's Very Irregular Players who have unusual playstyles, preferences, and strengths. Gremlin club.

[devout cairn]

yeah you also run judgement and eris' bell there's something wrong with you

[craggy totem]

Oh YOU'RE the Judgment/Bell person 😆 hahaha

[wheat osprey]

i assure you i am perfectly fine until i boot up hades 2. theres like a switch in my brain for funny mode

[craggy totem]

Bless, you can be honorary president of the VIP club

[limpid oar]

WAIT what--

Gingerbread are you sure your version of Hades 2 hasn't been tampered with? it sounds like we are playing different games

[dreamy helm]

I'm going to be that person and say that Judgement is not that bad but bell is borderline unplayable

[limpid oar]

bell on the whole run is actually a fun challenge run

[devout cairn]

I don't think bell is unplayable it's just bad

[craggy totem]

Judgment is not that bad casually but it sounds like pain if you're running with a good medium amount of Fear

[dreamy helm]

I hate it

[wheat osprey]

bell is like 2 extra damage per hit. its chill

[limpid oar]

yeah its meant to be a challenge

[dreamy helm]

I maxed the keepsake and never touched it again

[craggy totem]

Y'all are out there deliberately maxing keepsakes you don't want to use?

[wheat osprey]

just dont get hit

[limpid oar]

instead of getting an useful keepsake you take extra damage, it's such an Eris thing i think they should go further with the theme and nerf it

[dreamy helm]

This I can agree with

[little mason]

the thing is not to run judgement but to pick every low to next higher cost arcana then equip crystal pig and luck upon a judgement activation.

[teal zephyr]

I just spammed chaos trial to max the bell, my least used keepsake

[dreamy helm]

I'm going to be for real, I thought there was a "max all keepsakes" achievement like in H1 lol

My mistake for not looking at the list I guess

[devout cairn]

for chaos trials i guess

[craggy totem]

That's true. /finished GCB and ain't ever touching those again lmao

[wheat osprey]

Anyways i just got hades' joy stick from zagreus. Time to go beat up typhon

[teal zephyr]

Having everything at 3 stars looks nice

[little mason]

let me unlock 4 stars items and weps for more content and aracana

[inner hamlet]

Ye, gotta have everything of everything lol, last keepsake I need to max is the bell too

[craggy totem]

Just aim for Cherished Keepsake every run ez (or whatever it's called)

[limpid oar]

doing exactly that was an achievement in h1 so being an EA player, I assumed h2 might do something similar and maxxed the bunch of them

[dreamy helm]

Grind for the duo boon

[limpid oar]

then theres also the fact that when we were in EA keepsake changes were fairly frequent, if something got reworked it was beneficial to have it maxxed out

[craggy totem]

True, and at any rate a really useful EA player is one who tries out all the content.

[little mason]

i regret buying in ea

[limpid oar]

I bought d1 and regret nothing

[teal zephyr]

I know the Hecate keepsake was completely changed and it's so much better now

[little mason]

hades 1 was more enjoyable because i didnt EA IT

[inner hamlet]

I wish I bought the EA sooner, kinda wish I saw more of the changes

[craggy totem]

I technically did buy in EA, but just didn't install/play until 1.0, and I'm happy with that.

[devout cairn]

btw I'm starting to hate Vow of Denial, at the end of a run it adds the boring mechanic of me having to open up the boons list just to check if I'm not gonna ruin my run. I really wish they'd let you just skip it if the only options there are to replace existing boons. Yesterday on my first 40F try it removed my damn Blitz special, luckily i'm too good and still won 😎

[limpid oar]

it was changed twice i think

[little mason]

i hope someone comes with technology to erase my gaming memories so i can play forever

[inner hamlet]

if you were there to play with Poseidon pre nerf you know why he's one of the big 3 Gods lol

[teal zephyr]

Damn, I remember only the early EA one, it was some form of mana regen I think

[limpid oar]

for a brief period of time it did what eternity does now

[teal zephyr]

Wow that's kinda weird tbh

[inner hamlet]

They should buff eternity tbh, it's kinda useless

[teal zephyr]

It's more of a niche card

[devout cairn]

lame boons, easiest trial, poseidon's personality really matches the his gameplay

when he goes "yeah i'd choose zeus too" have some self-respect you bum

[limpid oar]

I am glad I got to experience Than axe working on old Storm ring and making this build happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scSohXp0dgs

[craggy totem]

Beach bum? :P

[devout cairn]

i dont get this one i apologize

[craggy totem]

No, it is I who should apologize, as I replied to the wrong comment; meant it for the one where ya called him a bum 😆

[red agate]

I just got one aspect run left and I’m done but for some reason my boss wants me to go back to work

[craggy totem]

Wack!!!!

[inner hamlet]

The omega mechanic is super fun but now that I'm playing at a higher fear level kinda sucks to have to stay still and charge to use mana

[little mason]

I don't stay still with torches what?

[craggy totem]

Sure doesn't induce tranquility in my heart I'll tell ya that

[merry whale]

tranquil gain

[red agate]

I know, Melinoë Skull will have to wait till I get home

[merry whale]

but yea in higher fear omegas r ass

[devout cairn]

tranquil gain the 🐐 gain

[merry whale]

see: a 67 shiva clear was done without using omegas

[devout cairn]

im glad of the viability of just punching things honestly

[inner hamlet]

How hard would it be to Mod hades 2? Kinda wish you could use omegas just by holding swift while pressing the attack or special button tbh

[little mason]

supay????

[lucid inlet]

from what i hear this game is stupidly easy to mod but im unsure of it, something I might get into to fix a few borked incantations I have due to save editing during beta

still mad at myself for that, i want Acceptance of Another Fate but i cant get it 💔

[merry whale]

nyx aspect has omega sprint

[inner hamlet]

the nyx aspect is actually so fun

[red agate]

Time for a fresh save file

[lucid inlet]

but I dont wannnaaaaaa--

[little mason]

i dont want to waste another 300 hours in my life though

[lucid inlet]

^

[red agate]

It’s not a waste of you have fun I’ve done 3 new saves on Hades1

[inner hamlet]

yeee, heard they got all the LUA files exposed, gonna look how much I can meddle with them later

[little mason]

👆 😭 that guy right there he has no life, if only i had that much dedication

[red agate]

The trick is to be very bored

The beginning of rogue likes when you’re clawing and scraping for power is the most fun

[little mason]

a dead by daylight player its all coming together😂

[red agate]

Hey, we’re talking about Hades here

[little mason]

you probably have over 2k hours in it

[red agate]

Uhhh let me check

[lucid inlet]

yeah i dont have the time to do 300 hours of gameplay just to get the reroll seed option, im gonna poke around the lua files and see if I cant manually make the incantation available for use

dunno if this is possible but worth a peek

[red agate]

3500 but I haven’t played since the 18th so there 😡

[little mason]

[lucid inlet]

clocked

[red agate]

[split shuttle]

it took me like less than 100 hours to get seed rerolls i think it ain't that bad

[teal zephyr]

You just need the epilogue to unlock it

[lucid inlet]

are we positive about this

[teal zephyr]

Yes, I got it in the cauldron as soon as I got the epilogue

[tranquil vine]

For medea tf boons do I get for my attack and special?

[red agate]

Zeus on special

[split shuttle]

but then again i got that shi during early access soooo

[little mason]

zues on both

[lucid inlet]

check dm

[red agate]

Really Zeus is usually the answer when I don’t know what I’m doing

[craggy totem]

No, I didn't get the seed reroll incant until noticeably after I finished the epilogue. You probably fulfilled the non-epilogue-related conditions in EA.

[tranquil vine]

Which to pom? Attack or special?

[red agate]

Lightning Daddy has never steered me wrong

[teal zephyr]

I did not, this is a 1.0 fresh file

[meager walrus]

Its just epilogue, 16 fear statue, and a few other requirements you should probably already have by then

[craggy totem]

Then during the main gameplay, but it's not just the epilogue.

[tranquil vine]

Guys 🙁

[red agate]

I thought it was tied to a statue I remember getting it after a statue

[craggy totem]

Could be. It took me quite a while post-epilogue before I got the second statue.

[red agate]

Which ever one Zeus is on, special probably

[little mason]

put zues on everything and you win

[teal zephyr]

Well there may be multiple prongs then of which the epilogue is one

[tranquil vine]

The next time I get into it with my dad, imma go

'my great ancestor and I have much to discuss '

That'll surely go well

[little mason]

tell him he isnt qualified to challenge you

[dry pebble]

Hm weird
It says that ||Chronos|| can recieve gifs, but everytime i meet him there’s no option to give nectar :/

[teal zephyr]

It takes a few runs

[latent flower]

In erebus fountain before oceanus

[red agate]

I don’t know why but I had to talk to him a few times first

[dry pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

thanks guys 👌🏽

[craggy totem]

I mean it's completely understandable that it would take a while before the character in question would feel okay about accepting gifts

[primal drum]

I’m gonna cry. I just managed to lose all 71 hours of my progress to the steam cloud screwing up 🥲

[craggy totem]

Any chance that you could dig around on your PC and find some kind of backed up savefile?

[primal drum]

I’ve been looking for a way. I checked the steam cloud restore page but that’s got my “current” save on it already

I’ve even tried the “backup menu” in game. Nothing 😭

[unkempt zodiac]

So... the surface doesn't seem to use the "ever shifting" excuse to justify the roguelike aspects of it. Does that mean that the room locations in ephyra are consistent?

[tranquil wren]

you mean the mountain? I always assumed that because it's a huge mountain, you can never really recreate the same steps

[unkempt zodiac]

In ephyra from the central hub some side rooms are randomly generated, and I wonder if each physical location of a side room corresponds exactly with that room's layout

Like if you always go into the top right door you'll always find yourself in the same room

[craggy totem]

Someone posted a map in #h2-builds-and-combat that I believe means the layouts are consistent

[paper oar]

omg i just clutch typhon with 3 health les go

[unkempt zodiac]

Yey

[humble urchin]

yep, thats exactly how it works

[crude dragon]

They are, yes

The only variance in Ephyra is what main and side rooms are barred off on each night

[craggy totem]

I like walking into a small room, triggering every single explosive barrel, dashing once or twice, and then immediately receiving the room reward 😌

[unkempt zodiac]

What about summit

[merry whale]

weird how olympus shifts tho

[crude dragon]

As an example, Medea and the Satyr miniboss are always directly to the right and left of the fountain, respectively

[unkempt zodiac]

Olympus excuse is you're bouncing to totally different parts of it I think

[merry whale]

ah tru

[unkempt zodiac]

I cannot explain dionysis showing up everwhere

[crude dragon]

Summit has variance to it, though that can be hand-waved as "different parts of the passages through are currently inacessible"

[craggy totem]

When the god of wine and revelry gets blackout drunk, weird things happen

[inner hamlet]

Yeah, I think Athena mentions that they're moving things around to stop the invading force too

[inner hamlet]

You gotta go where the party is

[craggy totem]

He's unintentionally teleporting his party room all around the mountain every time he blacks out, but everyone else in that party is also drunk as a skunk, so no one notices.

[unkempt zodiac]

I do appreciate everywhere (except summit) having a reasonable explanation

[inner hamlet]

Oceanus is kinda weird tbh

[craggy totem]

That one's easy, the tides sweep everything around

Mysterious currents and all that jazz