h2-discussion

[honest solar]

yeah the intended meaning is the opposite of what people use it for

[uneven swallow]

in my experience drinking blood is almost the same as water, negligible thickness difference

[honest solar]

i think it means forged bonds like friends is stronger than family

like jesus meant more t the disciples than their parents

[nova oar]

The original meaning from the Germanic quote means family bonds are stronger

[crude dragon]

Technically speaking, it's "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" i.e. "your faith/the relationships you choose to maintain is more important than family," but most people mean it as "your family's more important than your friends"

[craggy totem]

If you're thinking about the "blood of the covenant" etymology, that one isn't actually true, it's just internet misinformation.
edit: speak of the devil

[nova oar]

Which is apparently the opposite of the original meaning of the quote

[tropic monolith]

which is not how I'd read "blood of anything" being stronger than "water of the womb", water of the womb would be the family bond

So if the initial quote was literally just "blood is thicker than water" yes, that reads more as family

[nova oar]

Yeah it's obv changed alot

[honest solar]

this is confusing ngl

[crude dragon]

Indeed it is

[tropic monolith]

that whole quote is very confused

[uneven swallow]

Alexa this is so sad play In The Blood hades soundtrack

[honest solar]

i always assumed it had some religious affiliation like religion means more than family

[nova oar]

But Greek and Roman usage of the phrase started the whole 'blood of the covenant' thing

[crude dragon]

Can't believe they made a whole phrase into an auto-antonym

[honest solar]

so its not in the blood? im scammed

[nova oar]

It's both

[crude dragon]

It's in the blood, blood

[uneven swallow]

I think the line you can feel it inside your bones is really funny because like. no I can't feel inside my bones, or my bones at all

[honest solar]

it might not be in the bloood, it might not be in the blood

[tropic monolith]

it means whichever way you want it to mean because it's meant both over time >.>

[craggy totem]

Again, that's not actually true.

[nova oar]

You can't feel your bone marrow producing blood cells on a regular basis?

[crude dragon]

This is like "inflammable" meaning both non-flammable and highly flammable

[nova oar]

Greek myth as a whole tbh

[tropic monolith]

inflammable doesn't mean "non-flammable" at all

People just misuse it that way sometimes

it's very funny to me that the word exists that way

[honest solar]

who uses inflammable as non flammable

[still dagger]

I skipped a "special" scene with Moros. can I reactivate it?

[tropic monolith]

well, the Helldivers 2 devs for one...

[honest solar]

like that was super obvious

its not even a suffix

[crude dragon]

Yes

[nova oar]

No

[crude dragon]

Just die again :3

[covert badge]

maybe

[tropic monolith]

people think "If flammable means it burns easily, inflammable must mean something different so it must mean it doesn't"

People are wrong

[still dagger]

all kinds of answers. time will tell. and more gifts probably

[atomic river]

6 minutes 3 dds with engraved pin will i finally beat chronos on 50 fear???

[nova oar]

No

[still dagger]

post-credits question, but ||does the apollo/artemis monument near the hades bust do anything in the crossroads?||

[shrewd geyser]

yes

[atomic river]

this dudes always hating on me bro i swear

[nova oar]

People play better out of spite

[tropic monolith]

you got this

[craggy totem]

It's just a decoration

[stable flame]

The only thing I could imagine feeling inside my bones is pain, I think that's the only time I'm expecting to feel anything in my bones

[nova oar]

Yeah cause i'm not a dude :3

[stable flame]

If I'm feeling something in my bones something has gone wrong

[tropic monolith]

"feeling in your bones" might be a reference to things like weather changes making bones ache

[honest solar]

idk theres a lot of wwords with in in the word that dont mean a negation

[shrewd geyser]

I'll hype man you as long as you don't try to convince me that Zagreus is a poorly design encounter that actively makes the game worse. That guy made me mad

[tropic monolith]

I know, yet it always confuses some people when I tell them that inflammable and flammable mean the same thing

[nova oar]

I just make people mad so they try to prove me wrong

[atomic river]

bro what 😭

[tropic monolith]

Everyone's a dude. My wife's a dude.

[shrewd geyser]

That's a She/va

[covert badge]

must... resist.. gamer girl bath water joke...

[crude dragon]

Isn't it flat-out easier than Charon?

[craggy totem]

Spoilers

[nova oar]

Don't you dare

[shrewd geyser]

I think so lol

[little mason]

had 96 %dmg with last grasp basic used athenas die 1 per encounter

[crude dragon]

Is this the opposite of whatever the hell Yujiro Hanma's on, where he sees everyone as a woman?

[craggy totem]

But yeah, I found it easier than Charon personally, and I'm not good at the game

[tropic monolith]

took more patience but I found it easier than Charon by quite a bit, yeah

[honest solar]

tbh im stupid because as a kid i thought the in meant it was more flammable than the normal flammable

[shrewd geyser]

They were crying that having 70 hp when you get to your area 2 mid shop makes it impossible since his spin attack 2 shots you

[tropic monolith]

that's way more accurate than thinking it means non-flammable though

[tropic monolith]

Gotta not greed it

[nova oar]

Have they considered picking up health

[atomic river]

zagreus is so easy he only has 2 attacks

[shrewd geyser]

I tried explaining all these things, but in their opinion it's just bad game design and trash balancing

[craggy totem]

That sounds wrong but I don't know if it actually is wrong

[honest solar]

boiling blood lowkey annoying

[craggy totem]

Does he literally have two attacks or does he have like two attacks

[shrewd geyser]

he has like two attacks

[honest solar]

he has the stabbing attack he has a spin spear attack, he has a projectile attack

[crude dragon]

Pretty sure it's 3. Cast, spin, dash-strike

[atomic river]

he has the jumpy stab and the whirly spin

[shrewd geyser]

And he can go invis

[crude dragon]

Like, he doesn't even throw the spear

[shrewd geyser]

if you count that as like a move idk

[honest solar]

why is zag so huge though

[covert badge]

imagine he zip zap you to death tho hes already giving you mercy using a slow ahh spear

[tropic monolith]

he really should have had a call he activated once

[shrewd geyser]

Cerberus Cthonic Companion

[honest solar]

i dont remember zag being huge

[nova oar]

[tropic monolith]

that spear

[crude dragon]

Bouldy

[honest solar]

is mel just short af

[tropic monolith]

Bouldy!

[crude dragon]

"Is that a boulder!?"

[shrewd geyser]

Mel is a very young god comparatively

[craggy totem]

Have you seen her dragging around ||Nergal||, she ain't big unless she has a big of a chat with ole Circe

[tropic monolith]

"Strange weather pattern here"

[nova oar]

Is that a boulder or are you just happy to see me 😏

[shrewd geyser]

And then poseidon gives me ANOTHA when i eat bouldy's loot

[honest solar]

why does zag move around like an old man though and why does he have no boons

[shrewd geyser]

Going easy on his little sis

[covert badge]

he ghosted and gods be like hm guess he doesnt need our help anymore

[honest solar]

selene though?

[shrewd geyser]

His way of helping his little sis on her run without making it feel burdensome and too free

[honest solar]

they did gift him boons right before chronos

i wonder if the act of giving boons is acttually reducing the gods powers

like everytime zeus gives a spesh or an attack boon is he reducing the power iof his lightning or does it get returned to the gods after death

[shrewd geyser]

It's probably like a spell that requires some concentration so they are limited in how many they can apply at once

[honest solar]

so we're just borrowing power

[honest solar]

i mean the gods dont exactly have infinite power so each time we're taking boons we might be reducing their power

except maybe chaos because it seems like a balance of what we gain and lose

[shrewd geyser]

I don't think permanently or anything, if anything it'd function like energy you have each day

[honest solar]

idk because zeus knocking down typhon seems like 10x times the damage mel can deal with a general build set up

[willow wagon]

Anyone else think it's kinda weird that there isn't a voiceline for heph godsent against Talos?

[tropic monolith]

I think it does cost the gods a bit, because there's lines about keeping on doing it

If nothing else it takes them a little time to reach out to you

[shrewd geyser]

Hades who is comparable in power gets downed by Zag repeatedly when he is not holding back at all

[honest solar]

it doesnt make sense how the younger gods can demolish titans and higher gods tbh

[nova oar]

Titans are not necessarily more powerful

[shrewd geyser]

cause they have the strength of 5 or so gods aiding them, and they are still gods with mythical weapons and magic

[honest solar]

they could theoretically do it without the boons

mythical weapons and magic yeah

[shrewd geyser]

but that would require intense skill, in which case one can imagine Mel being so sharp, after so much training that she can beat them without them laying a hand on her

[honest solar]

what would killing gods once and for all actually entail tho for power

like if zeus smited me i'd probably go to hades but he cant smite my soul

[jolly lava]

any tips for getting a bond with hepheastus? i have had all nocturnal arms unlocked since before 1.0 and he is the second to last bond i need besides herc

[nocturne grove]

Dude that omega attack does zero damage wtf

[honest solar]

like the olympian gods cant destroy my soul because they cant

[nova oar]

Basically completely disintegrating any physical trace of them

[shrewd geyser]

I mean gods can't really die

[honest solar]

mortals cant really die too because their shades still exist

[shrewd geyser]

yeah but I mean like gods cant even become shades

[honest solar]

the fates can kill them

[nova oar]

They either get trapped forever or their physical bodies get destroyed beyond repair

Or the fates decide to fk st up

[shrewd geyser]

but that just is what it is frankly

[honest solar]

what are their bodies made up of actually

[shrewd geyser]

Ichor and what not

[honest solar]

yeahh but do they have a heart, liver, kidneys, deodenum

or a much simplified anatomy

[shrewd geyser]

they have blood, so i assume so

[honest solar]

why do they need that though. seems like the only distinction from the gods and us is just ichor

and just handling divine substances

[nova oar]

They live off of ambrosia and are filled with ichor

[shrewd geyser]

physiologically? I guess, but they are also immortal, don't need to eat drink or sleep, can transform into different animals and people, and more

[honest solar]

what happens if i seduce heph to make a super strong syringe and drain their blood off

[nova oar]

That wouldn't work lmao

[honest solar]

anyways on to the game why does chronos wish mel's ability to pause time

he gets annoyed but like why does he canonically just take it

[nova oar]

Cause the incantation

[covert badge]

which aspect, moros?

[tropic monolith]

because pausing is canonically not a real thing >.>

[shrewd geyser]

Gods also have a "true form" when they reveal all their power that would harm you significantly from looking at it, so we don't really know what they truly look like

[honest solar]

with the dialogue it really does seem like hes just rolling his eyes and saying fine ill stop fighting for a bit. and some slur against witches

like he says "ill allow it"

[tropic monolith]

it's a joke

[honest solar]

and a bathroom break which is 4th wall probably

[tropic monolith]

exactly, the whole thing is breaking the 4th wall

Because pausing is not a real thing in-world

[honest solar]

but chronos can read the ui though

he can see the timer,

[tropic monolith]

arguably, that's a vow and he's just sensing the time aspect it's pressuring you with

and since he's Time he knows exactly how much time it represents

[honest solar]

no i mean putting on a timer with the settings, not the vow like for speedrunning

he responds to that

[nova oar]

Me when my video game about Greek mythology isn't 100% realistic

[tropic monolith]

then it's just him sensing the passage of time since Mel set out 😄

[honest solar]

its kinda funny he does that

[craggy totem]

It's not like I haven't had my own criticisms of various design choices that were made, but I was very amused to see criticism about the mythological worldbuilding not being accurate enough to historical records about cultural practices of whatever.

Fries! The healing food has got fries!!!! There's a gun!!!!!!! Zeus is a jolly uncle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[honest solar]

yeah it sfunny

[craggy totem]

All that was in the first game already 😆

[tropic monolith]

the only thing I really dislike is the futuristic skinning of the coat

[craggy totem]

TBF there are other questions of like, coherence etc that we've discussed on that front

[shrewd geyser]

the aspects pull from all times tho

[honest solar]

ngl in the beginning the time puns really pissed me off

[tropic monolith]

all of the coats are futuristic, including Nyx's

[honest solar]

shiva with rockets is crazy tho but makes sense oddly

[shrewd geyser]

I mean it's pretty dark outside rn man I'm looking right at Nyx

[tropic monolith]

so Nyx's aspect somehow reached into the future to pull back the coat far into the past for her to use?

She's not the Titan of Time

just theme it with darkness and let it have cool looking attacks/projectiles based on that

[craggy totem]

Eh, canonically based on some of the dialogues you get about the various aspects, they do acknowledge that weird timeline/AU stuff is happening with the hidden aspects at least

[shrewd geyser]

yeah but consider cool jetpack mech suit

[craggy totem]

Actually, doesn't Moros also mention something about time nonsense with his? And he isn't even hidden.

[tropic monolith]

the hidden aspect of the coat is the least jarring, it's the standard ones that really don't fit well

[covert badge]

dad jokes work as intended 🙂‍↕️

[craggy totem]

They're extra powerful because Hades never jokes 😔

All of the dad joke energy was concentrated in one node of the family tree 😔

[tropic monolith]

accurate

[honest solar]

no nyx herslef said she used to use the aspect of nyx at some point in time

[shrewd geyser]

Darkness existed before time, that's all I'm sayin

[tropic monolith]

And it would have been way cooler to have the coat be a weapon of darkness than of sci fi tech

[scenic gust]

Poseidon = Gacha god

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah, it's a matter of taste, I don't care for the coat really so I don't have a strong opinion either way

[scenic gust]

Grandpa: "Poseidon boon? You gonna splash water into my face". Mel: "Yes" then he eats 1k crit + Ares duo.

Don't underestimate the power of the splashing water Grandpa

[honest solar]

everyones canonical weapon makes sense but why does morrigan not have a javelin but the twin blades, why doesnt shiva have a trident but rockets, and aspect of hel doesnt have a spear

[shrewd geyser]

It's not necesarrily their "main" weapon they are seen with in myth, but more so the aspect of the weapon that is revealed to them when they use Lim and Oros

[tropic oasis]

anyone got any tips for getting Raki? got all the other familiars but that one and ive already gotten the true ending

[crude dragon]

Use Phial, it increases fountain room chance

[shrewd geyser]

||Run Erebus, with phial, kill yourself if you don't get a fountain||

[scenic gust]

well Hera ain't using bow. Demeter not even using her fist. And it's transformative to fit with Mel

[crude dragon]

Hera's not using the bow anymore

[clever rose]

im losing my mind trying to get this last heart with icarus

[scenic gust]

plus Lucifer with a laser gun is Diabolical

[honest solar]

you kiss him

[shrewd geyser]

Or she hasn't yet

[crude dragon]

Guns were called the Devil's arm for a while

[clever rose]

yeah but he's not showing up in the crossroads. it's been 5 runs. can i get him to show up if i spam chaos trials?

[crude dragon]

All the Olympian aspects of the Infernal Arms are from the Titantomachy

[scenic gust]

for gun with bullets, not laser beam. Should have called it aspect of Apollo. Ray beam the sun

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah ik

I was just making the point of the aspects being loose with time

[harsh kestrel]

anyone know the track name that plays in narcissus' room?

[tropic monolith]

you can look it up at the musician...

[shrewd geyser]

Lap of Luxury

nah wait thats dio

Reflection Affection

[harsh kestrel]

ty

[eager vessel]

Mel just accidentally chucked the hardest shade in the entire game: ||Did the postgame zag fight for the first time ever and went to the rat king room immediately after. Mel starts the fight with "Finally, a worthy opponent"||

[honest solar]

does anyone know why narcissus is so hot

[shrewd geyser]

that's his WHOLE thing

[tropic monolith]

man, he just, is.

[nova oar]

Isn't that the point

[honest solar]

like did aphrodite do smthn

[minor cape]

to be quite fair in the dionysiaca he is the son of selene, and we've all seen her

[shrewd geyser]

most used keepsake for a REASON 😤

[minor cape]

loll

i wasnt too keen on hexes at first but

since the godsent paths were added ive been lowkey addicted

[pallid cradle]

I'm still not a fan of hexes. Even with godsents

[tropic monolith]

you gotta upgrade most of them or they're weak

[honest solar]

also why does narcissus sound like nick cage

[pallid cradle]

I still have to pull the Poseidon and Heph ones for my last prophecy tho.

[shrewd geyser]

in early access i was really hoping he'd look like Nick Cage when his art was added

[pallid cradle]

... And now I'm never gonna hear him speak without hearing Nick Cage again.

I may never forgive you for this.

[minor cape]

hera godsent night bloom and apollo godsent lunar ray are both genuinely cracked

[honest solar]

nick cage isnt hot tho

[minor cape]

lunar ray is so cheap it can basically become a build all on its own if you have a decently costly omega move on your aspect

[shrewd geyser]

execute this man

[shrewd geyser]

Moon beam with any armor node is broken for this reason

[minor cape]

its my go to for high fear

[honest solar]

for a guy who looks hot why doesnt he sound hot

[pallid cradle]

... Look you can't have your cake and eat it too.

They had to cut it off somewhere.

||Except for Eris, she's perfection||

[shrewd geyser]

Nyx Selene Nem on top

[pallid cradle]

Selene's voice lands her in B tier. The character portrait is doing the heavy lifting.

[honest solar]

he sounds like andy samberg and nick cage into one

[pallid cradle]

Eris has the voice and the looks.

[shrewd geyser]

Nem over eris for me any time

[pallid cradle]

Call me a coward if you'd like, I'm not into muscular women

[shrewd geyser]

but if I'm being real, Meg over any

[pallid cradle]

Muscle mommys have a place in the world, however unfortunately my personal S tier isn't the place

[clever rose]

finally got icarus relationship maxed, and all achievements

[shrewd geyser]

Meg is hard to dethrone for me

[pallid cradle]

Eris, Artemis, Hera on top.

[shrewd geyser]

Let's go grats

[clever rose]

i like the game

[pallid cradle]

I've been asking everyone else who has 100%'d the achievements. What brand of BS did they give you for your Great Chaos Below run?

[honest solar]

i wish icarus was real

[shrewd geyser]

I don't even remember lol, I just remember I killed myself a lot of times with bad Arcana

[covert badge]

eos and zeus special 🙂‍↕️

[simple sierra]

Just beat my first two chaos trials and in a row! lol chaos was so themed with the second one:

eos aspect
aphro legendary
both charm duos

[abstract urchin]

Meg is clearly better than Zag let’s be real

[clever rose]

oh my god it was hell. i had no strength, no death defiance, not even any rerolls. at least i had thanatos axe. i got aphrodite attack and hell splitter and i just tried to play careful 😭

[pallid cradle]

Oh NAH. How did you get an actual decent one?

[honest solar]

anyone can u suggest a fun build

[abstract urchin]

What heat level?

[pallid cradle]

They gave me Persephone Skull, barely any damage, then antler Tart which tbh I welcomed because it was damage.

[worn steppe]

how much post game content is there?

[simple sierra]

a good bit ngl

[pallid cradle]

I did somehow land on them giving me the Lovers arcana card so Antler was pretty good.

[clever rose]

i think i would be mad sweating if i had to do chaos below with antler 😭

[honest solar]

meg from family gay

[shrewd geyser]

It has to be weighted towards persephone i got it like 5 times i was crashing out

[thin laurel]

this is a valid opinion I'm just incapable of agreeing </3 ||🏳️‍🌈 😔||
altho idk if there's a single character design in these games I dislike

[elfin heron]

I wonder how zag would do against the bosses of hades 2

[pallid cradle]

Look, giving me antler Tart is fine after the first one I ever launched back in early access gave me Rivals 3 and then sent me into Oceanus with Antler... Lemme tell you how well Unrivaled Scylla went with Antler

||I died almost instantly||

[shrewd geyser]

Zag wouldn't be able to get past Scylla

She'd charm him it'd be over

[clever rose]

brutal af. i had one give me Vow of Time 3 AND Vow of Rivals with the Vow that makes enemies come back if you don't pick their revenants up fast enough. i didn't even get past erebus.

[thin laurel]

like, Zag in canon or Zag in gameplay?
I feel like gameplay wise the double dash would make him do fine against bosses, but some room clear would be rough potentially... flame wheels are annoying af to deal with as zag but tbh with Mel's cast I don't think they'd ever be an issue (and a lot of hades 2 enemies give me flame wheel vibes in that they swarm you and move fast)

[honest solar]

Ω

[pallid cradle]

Oh btw they gave me no damage and then gave me Rivals 1. Persephone Skull with no damage against Unrivaled Hecate? Don't recommend.

I would've preferred no boon and a dandaid dagger at that point.

[elfin heron]

unfortunately no amount of boons would stop chronos from just freezing zag in place again

[thin laurel]

lore wise tbh he's kind of screwed either way, since he doesn't seem to have Mel's time magic resistance and the surface is... well. the surface
altho ig Mel could help with that depending on when in the timeline he decided to try it

[hexed forge]

I primed 300 with Supay in my Surface 24 fear run, still have to beat 3rd and 4th rivals boss, god it will take long

[thin laurel]

what boons do you have on it? tbh with scorch/blitz/splash supay I give up on omegas fairly early anyway 🤷

[hexed forge]

Scorch, freeze, blitz, actually pretty doable, focusing only on dodging is pretty fun

[icy halo]

Did they seriously pump up the damage on Rivals Eris since EA?? I swear getting tagged by the laser used to do like 5 damage not 10

[thin laurel]

oooh yeah with scorch and blitz I think you're in very good shape even with no magick! and freeze for freezer burn if it gets offered

[pallid cradle]

Supay doesn't really need magick anyway. Tbh you can put huntress on if you want at that point and just pop an omega special then get the damage buff for the rest of the room

[shrewd geyser]

Remember when zeus and pos rush boons used mana

[thin laurel]

rip to that one zeus boon that does damage when you use magick being useful in more situations...

altho I had a fun mirrored thrasher run with it, at least, I think I underrate it it's just annoyingly niche

[shrewd geyser]

Moros?

[icy halo]

Sorry, 14 - I thought I had +damage on but I didn't!

[pallid cradle]

I miss those days...

[icy halo]

That feels pretty rough, gotta focus health more than I was doing before I think

[thin laurel]

mel/moros torches are the other main use case yes, or ig possessed array
but at this point I think there isn't anything every weapon/aspect can use that takes good advantage of that boon

although. hm. does the hera-heph duo proc it...? that would be kinda fun, idk if it counts though

[pallid cradle]

Who remembers Zeus's first magick regen?

[shrewd geyser]

It was nice

[pallid cradle]

Dude that boon was terrible. It made it so most weapons couldn't even spend the magick to omega

[shrewd geyser]

Just get max magic

[pallid cradle]

Unless I remember it wrong it didn't matter? It hard capped you at 30

[nocturne grove]

Concave stone gave me sun worshipper and esctatic obsession lol

[shrewd geyser]

I thought it primed 30 I could be wrong too

[nocturne grove]

Aspect of moros is cracked

[pallid cradle]

I remember it being primed you down to 30 and gave you constant regain. It was literally just for regaining from his sprint.

Or the lower cost Omegas

[shrewd geyser]

Either way I kinda miss when zeus identity in this game was heavily into magic priming, I think there is a market for builds that lean so hard in normal attacks and specials

[pallid cradle]

I mean back in those days Born Gain was stupid anyway. "Yea, use your entire magick bar then get a new one for the low cost of 5 magick primed (at common rarity)"

Didn't even need to take a single magick pot door because it was almost impossible to prime yourself out even if you spammed

[spare pendant]

Great Chaos Below/Above is so brutal. I've gotten a second run just completely sank by Artemis, if I fresh file and just never give her a necter can I still access those

[hexed forge]

I’m struggling to reveal those chaos below and above, do I just need to have keepsake equipped and talk to him? I was trying to do that, but Chaos was full of epilogue/ending lines

[spare pendant]

I do not know what triggers it, but it took about 105 runs for me to get there

[hexed forge]

Thats actually funny because I’m right around 105 nights myself and probably are close

[bleak scarab]

That happened to me too, but starting a fresh file just to avoid antler is not worth it

[still dagger]

so I heard there's another ending after the credits. I've already went once to the underworld and once to the surface afterwards, but no ending. is there more?

[bleak scarab]

Besides, the great chaos trials require you to have every aspect unlocked, so it's totally possible that they require every keepsake too

[bleak scarab]

The epilogue doesn't just happen right after the credits, you need to trigger it ||by fulfilling a certain prophecy||

[jaunty basin]

first I set up a strong build with the random effects
then I -185 max HP with antler at summit and get onetapped

[tropic monolith]

it's kind of swung the other way now, unless you pump magick you need some investment in poms/rarity for born gain or you run dry so easily

And pumping magick is its own investment cost

[spare pendant]

Hey same! I was running mutual destruction so it took away all my health and all my damage

[still dagger]

||finding the fates?||

[bleak scarab]

Yes

[still dagger]

how? don't tell me I have to play at a gajillion fear

[bleak scarab]

You don't, you just need to ||progress the storylines of the characters mentioned in the prophecy||

Which admittedly could take a while

[nocturne grove]

How do I force a god I want in ephera?

[still dagger]

? I don't know ||who those characters are. but I'm guessing I have to give out a lot of nectar and ambrosia||

[still dagger]

use their keepsake

[nocturne grove]

Wow thanks man

I meant in the chambers inside

[still dagger]

each run gives you like 5 olympians. if it's one of those 5 you can try to reroll the room reward so the olympian changes

[nocturne grove]

So can I take the olympian already or do I leave the door with thr god I want before rolling the others

[jaunty basin]

enchantress arcana, if the god you want has a door already, play that first. when there's no more doors of that god, reroll any other god door exactly once

if the god already is on a door, do not reroll

also miniboss doors keep the miniboss status if rerolled so if there's a miniboss with wrong god, you can also make that the one you want with the enhanced boon

[nocturne grove]

Ok got it we are getting demeter legendary first zone

[jaunty basin]

indeed

[upper plume]

Can someone give me a gentle nudge on how to unlock ||legendary? weapon aspects|| I just rolled credits for the first time and can't recall how they worked/unlocked in the first game

[warm dust]

||the weapon aspects have names of characters. you need one non-melinoe aspect upgraded to V.||

[jolly wing]

Does The Artificer Arcana work in Ephyra?

[upper plume]

Tempted to get out of bed for One More Run™ but I know better...

[dreamy zinc]

can someone lend me a hand here? i need to know the prerequesites to the the Hapheastus Ares duo, but i'm currently in a boon selection screen for echo, and cant check myself.

[thin laurel]

yes, if you find minor rewards in optional mini side rooms
the stuff artificer works on doesn't show up at all as main room rewards on the surface until rift of thessaly

[jolly wing]

What would be the strongest weapon on first night on the Surface? To clear as many rooms quickly. Would it be Umbral Flames because of Zeus start?

[fair patrol]

if I have hepa blast (no glow) and zeus attack then does that activate orig

[jaunty basin]

no

blast is not a curse, glow is

[jaunty basin]

one of the three falling sword boons from ares + a main slot boon from heph

sword ring, sword rush, and omega move sword boon count

[fair patrol]

New boon idea:
King And Queen Ransom
Sacrifice all Zeus and Hera boons to heroic all boons and +4 for each sacrified boon

[jaunty basin]

don't cook again

[tranquil vine]

why is eris such a difficult boss im so bad

i can beat chronos like every run

[fair patrol]

Me too

[jaunty basin]

she isn't, stay closer to her and rotate around her

[tranquil vine]

but upperworld is just.,.,. yikes

[fair patrol]

Eris Sucks

[jaunty basin]

chronos and eris dodging are entirely different patterns

[fair patrol]

Eric is worse

[jaunty basin]

but eris isn't hard to figure out she's just annoying because she jumps up and dodges your attacks/removes curses on her constantly

[fair patrol]

wehy are scylla and the sirens singing a ne wsong

help I'm scared I just entered oceanus

[jaunty basin]

they have 4 total song options

[dreamy zinc]

where would the boon come from? i think Hades would be an interesting place to get that but it would have to be the first and assumedly only trio boon in the game, requiring both hear, zeus, and hades to do it

[fair patrol]

from hepastatus

[dreamy zinc]

just wait, it gets worse before it gets better

[dreamy zinc]

why him?

[fair patrol]

idk

[loud night]

Hi everyone! I've been enjoying the game so far. Is there a use for Star Dust? I think I learned that it is for Arcana, but I'm not getting a prompt to upgrade my cards beyond the purple level.

[fair patrol]

okay help I'm really scared

[dreamy zinc]

its used to unlock a few, but you also need it for incantations later

[fair patrol]

what's happening

[jaunty basin]

incantations and heisenbergesque cooking

[fair patrol]

bewitching eyes?

huh?

what was that

[tranquil vine]

i got the upperworld boss to like sub 20% hp the one time i fought bro

[dreamy zinc]

which boss? first, second, third or final

[tranquil vine]

the titan

[fair patrol]

wait there are four bosses?

[dreamy zinc]

He's not too bad, same with Eris once you learn their patterns. and again, it gets worse

[tranquil vine]

0w0

[dreamy zinc]

same format as Hades, and the underworld. yeah

didnt realise you hadnt fought through that far yet, sorry for the spoiler sfsdsdgsd

[fair patrol]

no I reached prometheus and then died

I was so close

[tranquil vine]

guys, if you give more than one nectar to a god, do you increase chances of getting rarer boons?

[dreamy zinc]

i think thats a superstition, but i subscribe to it

[covert badge]

no, relationship mechanic isnt related to gameplay

[tranquil vine]

i really like aphros boo bns but she persists on giving me commons

[covert badge]

wish it had though

[dreamy zinc]

on a case by case basis, as in giving them necter gives better chances for higher rarities, but only for that interaction

[covert badge]

its totally a normal situation, unless you're using stuff like divinity/excellence/chaos's favor etc ofc

[tranquil vine]

wait fr?

i am sitting on like 20 nectars

[nocturne grove]

One good thing about the chaos trial with the daggers is that Im actually learning the prometheus fight

[nova oar]

Same with some keepsakes refreshing when they rank up, really good but also useless for any sort of speedrun/top level advantage

[nocturne grove]

Didnt early access let you rarify any rarity to its highest level

[dreamy zinc]

i only learned that half an hour ago when i got refresh on uses for one of the new keepsakes

[covert badge]

cherished tho

[dreamy zinc]

what?

[nocturne grove]

Early access demeter infusion I miss you

[astral parrot]

Morning guys, I have a quick question,

|| When you do the contract to increase the difficulty, I have to do them 1 by 1 or if I do directly a level 5, I'll get all rewards ?||

Thanks !

[fair patrol]

should i swap a daedlus hammer for 2 random daedelus

[nocturne grove]

Literally never pick it

[fair patrol]

why

[covert badge]

anvil bricked my build once, never again

[nocturne grove]

You dont get to choose what hammers you get you can end up bricking your build with some hammers

[dreamy zinc]

one by one, similar to the first game assumedly

[fair patrol]

I have wallop and thrasher

[dreamy zinc]

fax, i remind myself of that fact occasionally

[tranquil vine]

so is there anything to gifting nectars multiple times to the gods?

[astral parrot]

||So I did a lvl 8 directly so I loss 7 rewards ? ? ? ||

[dreamy zinc]

forging bonds and lore

[dreamy zinc]

you can still get them by going to the lower difficulties last i checked

[astral parrot]

okay thanks a lot ^^

[nocturne grove]

Can you just farm chaos trials to make enough nightmare lmao

How much do chaos trials give

[wind heron]

i wish i could skip rival eris i just dont want to fight her

[fair patrol]

I beat Chronos

[pastel coral]

how does Judgement work with Fates Whim

[fair patrol]

what's gigaros

[dreamy zinc]

they give nightmare the first time, then after that you get bones upon a repeat completion

[elfin heron]

keep playing shes easiest rival once you position correctly imo all about positioning

[nocturne grove]

But you can also buy nightmare in the shop

[covert badge]

able to activate every cards except the re-roll ones (the enchantress, the champions, the fates)

[nocturne grove]

And chaos trials do refresh the time as if a run is cleared

[covert badge]

best boon to pair with supay 🙂‍↕️

[fair patrol]

huh?

[nocturne grove]

Ok so heres a build

[covert badge]

if you mean the story stuff, it's hades's spear, you always see him using on boss fight in h1
on h2 it's story progression stuff, keep playing

[fair patrol]

guys how to use gigaros I don't can use it

[nocturne grove]

You have super high chance of proccing effects, your special has a curse and so does your attack. Your attack can proc on damage effects

Now guess what arcana setup youd have

[fair patrol]

where is it

[dreamy zinc]

I've been testing that, across 4 runs i have not had judgement activate any fate altering arcana. i have heard that equipping any keepsake that doesnt have fates whim can activate those rerolls. what i do know is that across 4 runs i have either hit the 3/18 chance 0 times every time, or having fates whim active stops judgement from activating any reroll arcana

[nova oar]

You need to do a surface run

[nocturne grove]

Ehh wrong: chaos says , keep origination and furies at home for some stupid reason

[fair patrol]

is it have to be won

[nova oar]

You can't hit rerolls with judgement on FW

[nova oar]

Yes

[fair patrol]

I suck at surface

[nova oar]

Surface needs to be beaten 5 times

[fair patrol]

WHAT

[nova oar]

Lmao

[fair patrol]

no sorry I quit

[covert badge]

[nocturne grove]

What

[covert badge]

bro flabbergasted

[dreamy zinc]

practice helps, it will get easier if you commit. you do unlock the greatest runsaver for scrubs on the surface

[nova oar]

Bro shivered his last timber

[nocturne grove]

Aspect of moros seems op so well just spam that I guess

[fair patrol]

help

[nocturne grove]

But I think if I learn prometheus Ill be fine

[nova oar]

With what?

[fair patrol]

surface

[nova oar]

Builds? Arcana?

[fair patrol]

yeah everything

[nocturne grove]

Ok so firstly

You will revert your patch to whenever they changed demeters infusion to be bad

[nova oar]

What's your favourite weapon

[fair patrol]

mel staff skull everything except for coat and axe

[crude dragon]

Unseen

[nocturne grove]

Yeah no let it be seen we want the demeter tank cuz the guy at the mountains hits like a freight train

[crude dragon]

Unseen was when Frosty Veneer became hot garbage

[nova oar]

Mel staff is really good, I can give you advice and clips of me playing it if you want

[nocturne grove]

Like genuinely why does everything hit so hard man

[fair patrol]

I use omega attack on it

[nocturne grove]

And rift of thessaly is already long as hell

[fair patrol]

not specials

[nova oar]

Ah, don't do that, circe is probs your best bet

[fair patrol]

special is so boring

[nocturne grove]

Its literally the same thing as an attack bro

[covert badge]

me omw revert to warsong era to play ares in his prime time: 🏃 💨

[fair patrol]

ok which special

[nocturne grove]

Hera good

[nova oar]

On mel? Anything %damage, hera is best

[fair patrol]

no I mean omega or

[nocturne grove]

Hera special. Zeus attack

[nova oar]

Both are good

[fair patrol]

which one better

[nocturne grove]

So the secret about this game is that most of the time omegas suck

[granite viper]

||Why is it that when cursing pearl for circe's quest melinoe just said i "mustn't" and cancelled it and no cursed pearel inventory? I had 10+ fear and had prophecy ready||

[nova oar]

Not true don't listen to him lmao

[jaunty basin]

that is the most wrong take yet

[nova oar]

That's whats supposed to happen

[jaunty basin]

holy moly never cook again

[covert badge]

go chat with circe, she might have something to say for you

[nocturne grove]

Well not counting torches their omegas are automatic

[honest solar]

does anyone know if the engine that sgg used for hades 1 and 2 is for consumption out there

[granite viper]

Okay thanks. i thought i clicked something which may have cancelled it lkol

[nova oar]

Omega builds are really good on alot of aspects

[crude dragon]

Mods, shift all his furniture by 1.5 inches

[covert badge]

who let him cook

[fair patrol]

which one is better

[jaunty basin]

theres very few aspects where omegas are bad/detrimental, it's like Medea skull and hel skull omega attack

[nova oar]

Normal special is safer, omega gives more damage with more risk

[fair patrol]

keepsake the hera fan?

[crude dragon]

Can also go Apollo

[nova oar]

Aphro works well too

But hera gives hitch

[copper sapphire]

just curious, will h2 have any more updates? not major, more of patches/bug fixes

[fair patrol]

also my arcana I using is
sorcess
wayward
huntress
perisistance
messenger
runner
death
centaur
orig
artificer
excellence

[covert badge]

mostly would be bug fixes post-1.0 yeah

[fair patrol]

what arcana should I use instead?

[copper sapphire]

thnx!!

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/hfMUt0y

https://imgur.com/a/Zria8L4

[fair patrol]

I don't have that much grasp

only 25 grfasp

[crude dragon]

I'd sub out Death for @crude dragon

[nova oar]

Strength is definitely harder on surface but probably better no fear

[covert badge]

no reroll but fair for more defensive stuff ig

[nocturne grove]

Theyre going to revert momus back trust

[jaunty basin]

what did they do to momus

[nocturne grove]

They shot it

[crude dragon]

Just practicing for Fate's Whim, clearly

[nocturne grove]

I think Im misremembering which one had serenity

[crude dragon]

They added half a second between pulses

[fair patrol]

what do I do?
other than getting more

[jaunty basin]

oh no what a nightmare

[crude dragon]

It's fairly noticeable to go from 1.5 to 2 seconds at max rank (and from half a second to a full second with Premium Service)

[covert badge]

add +0.5 sec gap in aspect's ability, bro gone downhill from top to lower-mid tier

[crude dragon]

Serenity was Circe, and I'm pretty sure that someone will put a price on your head if Circe gets reverted

[nocturne grove]

What does heph at max get it down to

[nocturne grove]

Bro the pets just wont follow me

[wind heron]

my apologies for thinking i was actually allowed to hit eris in the half a second she's not flying and/or spawning enemies

[crude dragon]

1s

[covert badge]

vanilla 2
+servo 1.3
(chain x2 double bonk)

[wind heron]

my god i just knew this fight would be annoying

[crude dragon]

Take the bird or cat, they're the most aggressive

[crude dragon]

Doesn't Chain just dualcast the clangs, not halve the cooldown?

[nova oar]

Take off boatman

[covert badge]

yeah assuming hits deal constantly

[crude dragon]

You mean Excellence?

[fair patrol]

https://imgur.com/a/RKgE6zB

[nocturne grove]

It should worked like echo boons and immediately pulsed twice but with lower power

[fair patrol]

wait I need to upgrade my cards

[crude dragon]

Would personally take Artificer over Eternity

[nova oar]

Take off time and huntress

[fair patrol]

why?

[crude dragon]

Huntress is fine, depending on the aspect

[covert badge]

i think the huntress is good here if play with mel staff

[fair patrol]

mel staff I wanna try specials

[crude dragon]

Can change out Huntress for Night depending on if you wanna go more for Omegas or more for base attacks

[nocturne grove]

Does ecstatic lover or whatever work on sirens still

[nova oar]

Yes

[fair patrol]

is cloud bangle fine or should I use fan

[smoky rover]

I just got elysium on the surface route, didn't know it was possible

[nocturne grove]

How do I build plan to get both and sun worshipper online😅

Before sirens

[nova oar]

Up to you

[nova oar]

Any midshop has a 40% chance (except for fields)

[fair patrol]

I think hear special

[covert badge]

imo blitz is more important, special can be whatever with % dmg (with hera as the best option ofc)

[nova oar]

Yeah take blitz

[fair patrol]

blitz? is that a boon

[nova oar]

I kinda want to do a mel staff surface run now, see if I can do 45f

[nocturne grove]

Zeus

[fair patrol]

ohh

[nocturne grove]

Its op for some reason cuz math or something

[fair patrol]

I have hera special and zeus attack rn

[nova oar]

Good

[nocturne grove]

Yeah thats the perfect combo

[covert badge]

also if hestia is in the run, thermal is on the way

[nova oar]

Hope for shimmering moonshot

[nocturne grove]

Do not take their duo boons and brick your build and just dash attack into specials

[fair patrol]

why are there three aphro in ephyra

[covert badge]

glamour/romantic pog?

[inner gulch]

I assume Toula's fishing just doesn't count for Denizens of the Depths I feel like I should have done it considering I have 100 hours lmao

[fair patrol]

I FOUND GLAMOUR

[nova oar]

Yippiee

[nocturne grove]

Enjoy 30% less damage

[fair patrol]

it's epic rarity

[covert badge]

romantic lessgooo

[fair patrol]

aethric moonburst

is this worth it

hi circe

help I ended the Eris fight with 30 health and 0 death defiance

[split shuttle]

hope athena wont scam u in olympus

[covert badge]

renewed faith?

[final token]

Guys today's my Birthday !

[wind heron]

oh you know what i just remembered
also happy birthday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMv21Q5IQPQ
the true ending really reminded me of this video
ffs i forgot about the embed stuff

[tribal yew]

To get to know Prometeus do I have to fight him alone or with rivals?

[rough horizon]

Do you have the prophecy unlocked? Because that might be the issue

[fair patrol]

should I take stalward stand

I don't really play omega so I think I don't need magic

[royal mural]

how do I unlock hercules bond?

I got everyone else

[inner gulch]

No, that's the whole problem, are there unlock conditions?

[thin laurel]

it's great if you can afford to prime that much, yeah
you can also use it (like pin) to purposefully reset your HP if it gets low, by dying

[fair patrol]

EAGLE???

wtf is this

[thin laurel]

do ||rivals 3 surface|| and talk to him enough
he was STUBBORN and it took forever for him to unlock it for me, idk if you need to do the fight more than once or talk to him in a different place but. just takes forever

[fair patrol]

I'M ON PROMETHEUS

[royal mural]

So... I just keep at surface with rivals 3?

[thin laurel]

also I am so close to beating 59 fear I can taste it, if I stop making dumb mistakes in p1-2 of the final boss fight I can do this, maddening. gah. anyway. time to stretch, have a snack, try again

[rough horizon]

I think you need to give max nectars to poseidon (until the locked heart), and he'll give it to you... But I'm in that step right now and he's talking about the ending instead

[nova oar]

I can't imagine fear tastes very nice

[thin laurel]

fear tastes awful, but successfully cleared fear tastes very nice 😔

[split shuttle]

he has a point

[fair patrol]

noononononoonono IT'S THE GAME
I survived

[inner gulch]

Bruhhhhhh

I'm now a Poseidon hater, well at least I know now

[fair patrol]

I DIED AGAIN

PROMTETHEUS SUCKS

[inner gulch]

Hardest fight ngl

[wind heron]

what do the ranks even do

[thin laurel]

give you a goal to dump resources into when everything else is bought out + number go up dopamine
also a lil badge on your end of run damage summary

[fleet wave]

yo chat, how is black coat?

[covert badge]

mid (non-shiva) but workable

[inner gulch]

It's my favourite weapon but honestly not that great

Very fun though and definitely not bad but you'll notice the range

[brisk harness]

kinda funny how they're easier to complete in h2 than h1 though

[covert badge]

man i need to replay h1 fr

[split shuttle]

kinda cheeks except nyx (and shiva to some extent but thats only for low/mid fear)

[brisk harness]

in h2 you kinda just trade everything for kudos and your flow ends up steady
farming darkness in h1 though, euuugh

[covert badge]

but man idk if its possible to get to h1 im too antler pilled

[wind heron]

it's a shame shiva just feels like a direct upgrade to selene because it honestly is such a cool concept

[thin laurel]

nyx is quite good
shiva is quite good but so magick hungry (and slow to channel) that at high fear it starts to be rough as hell. very very fun tho

[brisk harness]

i like shiva, nyx also grew on me, i dont like the other 2 aspects

[split shuttle]

u can beat high fear with shiva, u just need to not use the aspect at all

[thin laurel]

which is a shame since the aspect is fun af to use

[brisk harness]

but in general i prefer not to play coat if possible

[covert badge]

shiva o.atk build kinda poopoo with hordes/wards/frenzy 2 combo but yeah its fun

[inner gulch]

It's annoyingly hard to avoid though

Have to dash out of the auto channel all the time

[wind heron]

i wonder if medea was just intended to be this overpowered to give less experienced players an easier time

[covert badge]

you have to be 100% up close so its a trade-off ig

[split shuttle]

someone beat 62 fear surface with shiva during early access with blitz attack and just spamming the attack button

another one in 1.0 just did the same thing but replaced blitz with heph blasts

[wooden whale]

do the hex + god combos affect the nodes which appear OTHER than the ones related specifically to that god?

[thin laurel]

not as far as I know
they just add the godsent node + the "1 extra godsent hex during boss encounters" node
if you know the layouts well and get a path of stars before the godsent opens up you can get it 1 point away from unlocking the godsent by building up to the node it gets added to

other nodes can affect the godsent effect itself...? but none of them change when you unlock it or only work with it

[wooden whale]

ok cool, also do the rarity arcane cards, is that, additional %, so if base is 5% and you turn arcana for say 10% more chance for whatever, its then 15%? Rather than an extra 10% of 5%

[thin laurel]

this is... annoyingly not straightforward
ik for excellence (which affects rare and legendary boons) it's multiplicative for legendary and additive for rare, iirc?
divinity I'd assume is additive since otherwise it would do almost nothing, but someone else prob knows for sure

[wooden whale]

ok, will check some wikis see if it explains it in detail

[thin laurel]

I checked the wiki and it doesn't elaborate on divinity, annoyingly, it's also kinda out of date overall

[fair patrol]

NOO CHARYBDIS

[wooden whale]

lol

[fair patrol]

I ended it with 39 hp

circe

ERIS SUCKS

20 hp

I died in olyumpous

[nova oar]

U want me to record a run for you?

[fair patrol]

why

[icy blade]

does anyone know if raki still spawns in the erebus fountain room? I got him right before 1.0 there, but a friend of mine is about to hit the credits and still hasn't found him

[jaunty basin]

to teach

[nova oar]

to use as an example of what to do

[fair patrol]

sure

[jaunty basin]

yes but you need to have unlocked frinos and tuola

[edgy osprey]

in advanced version Chronos, he would summon a Hourglass enemy can heal him, and i realize if you turn that enemy become your ally, the Hourglass can instead heal you, so in that fight i am like unlimited hp

[nova oar]

I'll just do each bossfight

[covert badge]

its so crazy cardio works with moros now

[jaunty basin]

cardio gain my beloved

[scenic gust]

Steroid gain

[hearty timber]

Wow that's awesome

[jaunty basin]

it's not huge but it's decent

[spiral isle]

isn't the healing hourglass a thing regardless of vor or no vor? I haven't seen him spawn regular ones anymore, definitely not during my fresh file runs

[golden solar]

Yeah, Chronos spawns those healing hourglasses regardless of rivals or not

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/Z8jxaIc poly fight

[golden solar]

I guess the change from normal hourglasses was to make it less of a bullet hell, but atp you just ignore the hourglasses and DPS Chronos to oblivion

[honest solar]

Holy I just beat the first minboss first try immediately booting upna fresh Hades save on hell mode. Am I the goat

[covert badge]

baaaa

[honest solar]

Nvm I died the next room I am not the goat

[covert badge]

sad baaaa

[honest solar]

Everything so small in this game man

Wtf does darkness and keys do

[verbal hinge]

hi, it seems the default is to attack at cursor

hades had an option to toggle attack at cursor on and off, but i can't find where to do that in hades 2.

[rough horizon]

They're mostly meta progression items, keys unlock weapons and new mirror levels, but the mirror powers cost darkness

Mirror being the equivalent to the Altar of Ashes and Arcana in H2

[honest solar]

Ngl I take back saying Hades 2 is worse god the combat feels so off

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/mb9CvPL Eris fight

[covert badge]

bro changes side so fast 😭

[jaunty basin]

bro just typing shi

[honest solar]

I didn't earlier I said I preferred the infernal arms

And stayed on it

[verbal hinge]

nobody knows?

[jaunty basin]

if they did they would answer so no

[honest solar]

Wtf are these hammers. Theres a hammer ddealingeing damage of a portion of my gold?

[covert badge]

golden rule pog?

[honest solar]

God I hope Apollo is in this

[split shuttle]

does he know chat

[covert badge]

i mean, technically 🤷

[honest solar]

Wdym technically

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/wsOdTJP Terrible prom fight but it's fine

[covert badge]

he isnt h1, but theres a mod
note that the mod exists before h2 so its fan rendition

havent played with it but kinda wanna give it a try actually

[honest solar]

Aegis kinda plays like Medea ngl

Why does the cast have the same gimmick as shiva

The festive fog cast

Why did sgg make Aphrodite into a nearby damage boon in Hades ,2

[covert badge]

bro flabbergasted

[iron thicket]

Does anything happen if u do the taverna level up thing?

[fair patrol]

I BEAT PROMETHEUS

[nova oar]

Yoooo

[iron thicket]

LESGO

[fair patrol]

then I died

[nova oar]

Oh

[iron thicket]

It's okay next time u won't

[fair patrol]

how do you have so many good boons

[nova oar]

Just a normal ephyra none of them are particularly good

[fair patrol]

you melted him

I struggle on him like I finish it with 20 hp

[covert badge]

If you mean the rank system (like Nightmare X and so on), it doesn’t affect gameplay at all
It’s basically just a post-game resource dump for flexing

[nova oar]

Make sure you prioritise origination and pick good rooms idk

[fair patrol]

do you want to see me play

[nova oar]

I do yes

[fair patrol]

wait

[covert badge]

i love that mel staff is s tier but zag sword is like below the depth tier lmao

once you have nem sword, boom, toss zag's to the trash bin

[fair patrol]

which asepct?

[covert badge]

mel staff

[nova oar]

Mel staff

I'm so buns at it tho 😭

[fair patrol]

wait is that attacks or specials I can't see

[nova oar]

Dash attack into special

[fair patrol]

do I screenshare

[nova oar]

We can hop in a call and you can stream it

[thin laurel]

are you coaching on surface bosses 👀

[nova oar]

Yes i'm ignoring my uni work

[fair patrol]

https://discord.gg/58TX3gcR

[thin laurel]

@fair patrol I'm also down to join and spectate/coach if you don't mind!

[iron thicket]

Oh okay thanks

[honest solar]

Let's go beat meg first try I am the goat

[jaunty basin]

titan of procrastination deadlier than any boss we've fought yet in ts series

[nova oar]

Real

[tame bronze]

ugh, it's really sad that the [Great] Chaos [Above/Below] trials doesn't guarantee grave thirst or give any resources. I would love to main them for streaking but it's discouraging that it doesn't give any metaprogression on decorations etc

[dusty goblet]

How come I cant complete Melinoe Remember us, the mark is filled in as though it's done but I cant claim the reward

[woeful oriole]

once you max all aspects, unlock all arcana etc what are you supposed to do with the charon membership vouchers to trade at the wretched broker, is there any way to convert them into kudos

[jaunty basin]

you can order psyche and turn that into kudos

I don't know if fate fabric, nightmare or moondust can be

[tall lagoon]

yea its pretty sad

[valid wind]

I just had an incredibly unfortunate run, was using the black coat, got litterally almost EVERY aphrodite boon I could, but NOT her legendary

[heavy glen]

oh nooooo

[verbal rampart]

Sorry to hear that

Legendaries are really hard to get

[valid wind]

Made it to chronos for the 2nd time

[heavy glen]

congrats

[valid wind]

I had the 50% boost!

I find it hilarious I've beaten typhoid twice before chronos, when I was just going to the surface for materials

[jaunty basin]

did you meet the actual legendary requirements early or did you just pick whatever boons

[valid wind]

I met her requirements by her 4th boon

Which was before I even reached hecate

[heavy glen]

i just noticed the ships have eyeballs on them

[slim pike]

Did you fill all 5 core slots?

that will add another roll to getting a legendary

[valid wind]

The build was semi scuffed anyway, ended up with hera special, demeter dash, Apollo regen, and aphrodite attack

[slim pike]

cemetary dash?

[stone maple]

i'm just gonna say it, Zag and Mel get their natural charm from Persephone. genetic affability.

[agile forge]

anyone know what the glowing symbol next to my magick bar means?

[covert badge]

its a aspect's ability gauge, which aspect you're on

[agile forge]

aspect of artemis

[graceful badger]

Then it let's you know when riposte is off cooldown

[agile forge]

ohh

[fair patrol]

how to get better at surface

[graceful badger]

Runs.

[jaunty basin]

do you want another teaching stream

[graceful badger]

You'll get bopped, but you'll learn patterns and mechanics.

[fair patrol]

what's best weapon and aspect

for surace

[mystic rune]

umm well " best" no such thing, there are a bunch that are really good, like some people would tell you it's Medea, but Medea medium skill level to use.

So i tell you what is very good, and also very easy to play to play, aspect of moros on the umral flames, aspect of thanatos on the axe, and then yea Medea on the skull is insanely good, !!!!BUT YOU MUST!!!! learn the attack-special combo for it specifically,

watch the 1st 1 min of this video to see what i mean for Medea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_N7p-r_sU&t=483s

[honest solar]

circe is good

just a safe good one

[rose prism]

i thought it was one of the worst, it's confusing and you have to micro manage it for for average damage

[honest solar]

boated played with it and won with 62 fear

[polar abyss]

There isn’t a massive difference between Surface and UW, and also there are standouts based on the category.
For Any%; Medea, Charon, and Moros I think are considered the three best, with Medea being a frontrunner.
For High Fear (beyond 32, mainly 50-62); Medea, Mel Staff, and Circe are considered the three best, with “the best” being a bit interchangeable depending on how much you value damage, safety, or ease of peak boons (as in, you can succeed even with bad boons)

[honest solar]

also i just gave a good time with it

[nova oar]

Circe is one of the best aspects rn

[polar abyss]

As another argument for those weapons, Medea, and Mel Staff have been cleared at Max Fear Unseeded/Unmodded, and Circe is/was attempted with extremely close clears by Boated and Red; and all 3 aspects have been definitively cleared at 65 Fear (2 away from Max)

[graceful badger]

You get double damage from a good cast

[halcyon finch]

The beam is irrelevant, you get double casts

[rose prism]

oh ok

[honest solar]

pretty helpful for rivals prom

[polar abyss]

I’d say that the beam can be mostly ignored, until you push for extremely low times / high fear. Then you want to try to min-max it, cause it’s supposed to be a difficult challenge

[honest solar]

the heph legendary is useless for circe tho

[mystic rune]

remember guys the who asked "best weapon" is also trying to finish his 1st surface run, so like experience level is meh, but i think we gave him some options lol, i think Medea is insane as well, but i wanted to let him know, he has to learn to new tech combo ( granted the tech isn't hard to learn)

[fair patrol]

I suck

[polar abyss]

Well you shall improve overtime. Thats how a game works.

[fair patrol]

no I didn't i did like 30 runs I keep losing at eris/prom

[mystic rune]

well if u don't wanna do the medea tech, ( i linked a video, it's just a attack-special combo, rinse and repeat) go try aspect of moros on the umbral flames, Very very low skill level, very high dmg

--- downside of aspect of moros, it's magick heavy, so you must build into magick early on, but very easy to play after you do

[bleak scarab]

the game still has a god mode option

[rose prism]

it's pretty normal to not win the first 30, the sweet spot is around 20-25, if you don't win before 50 then you'll suck

[fair patrol]

I'll never finish this game

[fair patrol]

I want to win legit

[graceful badger]

Why?

[mystic rune]

not with that attitude you wont,
but i believe you man, you got this

[fair patrol]

I don't want to cheat

[graceful badger]

Ain't cheating, but ok

[fair patrol]

wdym?

[graceful badger]

A reasonnable difficulty lowering option that is within the game is pretty hard to qualify as cheating

[mystic rune]

yea, and can always turn godmode off, but another thing to consider is ur struggling on one surface boss specifically, is you can try to get 'medea the NPC' buff

-- Malice in Kind--

Boon Effect
Whenever a foe makes you use Death Defiance, it loses 15% health

so if you save like 2-3 death defiles for that boss and you're gonna die anyway, that 30-45% extra of thier total HP can really help

[mystic rune]

^

[verbal rampart]

You know, the first time I beat Chronos was around the 50th Night and I'm an experienced player. If I was new, it would have been much more + even with all this experience I never managed to beat a Surface run. Don't doubt yourself

[fringe moss]

Have any of y’all got the achievement where you get to the final encounter in an Arachne outfit

[fringe moss]

Same tbh

[mystic rune]

lol im not i kept armor from Arachne to about dog before,

i didn't know it was an acheieve, but if I was gonna do it, i would also use her silk sash keepsake, and try to get Hephaestus armor boon

[fringe moss]

Ooo good idea

[slim pike]

Ehhhh, nope. 15% of current hp.

[fair patrol]

should I use meda's skull or moro's flame's

[mystic rune]

bro i actually don't know, and like I'm pretty Mid when it comes to experience in this game, I'm gonna go see if i can test and find out lol

-can't find answer online

[slim pike]

just saying, malice in kind is based on current hp, not max

but it's an extremely ignored buff because Medea has much better options

[fair patrol]

?

and which keepsake for meda skull and moro falme

[fringe moss]

How do you even use Medea’s aspect

[fair patrol]

you do the use the attack left clicks then u have 4 skulls or 2 or 3 or 1 then u special into the neemy

[fringe moss]

Oh

[devout cairn]

What weapons u using

[fair patrol]

mel staff

[devout cairn]

Just go aspect of Moros and turn your brain off

Get good Gain boon for mana and hold attack

Zeus on special

[mystic rune]

^ if ur gonna go moros, I would also get the " the unseen" arcana card, 10 mana/ sec ( mine is maxed)

and yes build mana early on

[fair patrol]

can I have a video of moros flames

[mystic rune]

it's like normal umbral flames, but they pass through targets, they explode they hit ur own special ( the balls that orbit you)

so you cast omega special, get 2 orbiting balls, and then hold attack, it's very basic, but very high dmg,

only downside is heavy mana cost, but sure i will see if i can find u a good tutorial lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c3iHKuKJWk

[limpid oar]

https://youtu.be/Nce5Ak--1e8

[fair patrol]

WHAT

this insane what

I'm sorry I like moros torches now I thought they siucked

[devout cairn]

They just look stupid

[fair patrol]

wth

just tried it and it's insanely good

[verbal rampart]

My favourite aspect of my favourite weapon does not suck

I take it and I'm like "Haha go boom-boom"

[fair patrol]

https://imgur.com/a/t1w2Nj0
my arcana is good?

does the explosion count as special or attack

[humble urchin]

it counts as attack

[fair patrol]

rising helix, mega blaze, furious blaze?

[limpid oar]

I like furious

[valid wind]

So like, anyone else struggle to understand how hestia's dot works?

[covert badge]

Scorch basically works like this: 16.67 damage x 6 ticks per second = 100 DPS
The 16.67 damage is affected by global damage and Olympian damage increase effects (Scorch can't deal critical damage, and isn't affected by Air Quality, Grievous Blow and Mutual Destruction)
If you add Pyro Technique, you can increase the tick rate to be higher than 6 ticks per second. It also has crazy Pom scaling

[valid wind]

Looking at boons, seems like it duos well with zeus?

[covert badge]

Also Scorch has 999 cap, unless you've got Total Eclipse with Hestia's Godsent which can go beyond 1000

[hardy stone]

Cool thing that happened to me this morning: my first time using Jeweled Pom, I got the Hades boon I was missing. Prophecy done.

[covert badge]

When you play with Scorch build, you can't go wrong with zeus (thermal), demeter (freezer), Aphro (burning desire), hera (she's good in general)

[bronze stream]

Its basically mel's version of poison damage

[dull whale]

Moros is SO good
That aspect melts bosses, clears rooms
So so strong

Whenever I need to do a higher heat run for a testament and it asks for Flames, Moros comes out from rest lol

[dusty goblet]

How come the fire parchment doesn't always appear in the shop? I died and want to get back into it

[dull whale]

Oh I didn't even realize getting his boons through the pom would proc that. That makes sense tho
I finished all his boon list prior to that anyway but super cool

[hardy stone]

I was wondering about that because I think I popped a prophecy for something or other with Experimental Hammer. The Hades thing confirmed it.

[dull whale]

Oh ok very good to know

[tranquil vine]

which god do yall think is the most headpattable?

[simple sierra]

I'n thankful for delaying unlocking the VoR cuz now they don't pop for gca/b

[buoyant matrix]

what's gca/b

[thorny adder]

Great Chaos Above/Below

[simple sierra]

||great chaos|| above/below

[thorny adder]

Huh, Rivals wasn’t too bad on it. The real run killers are Time 3 and Void

[simple sierra]

time 3 100%

[buoyant matrix]

great chaos can't pull void

[thorny adder]

Ah, I meant onion

[teal zephyr]

I only got rivals 1 on both my great chaos runs

[buoyant matrix]

and time3 eats up a ton of fear so you shouldn't have other hard vows

[simple sierra]

my first 3 attempts were time 0, time 0, then time 3 and forfeit

[thorny adder]

The problem isn’t the fear level, it’s the fact that I can’t finish off the game in 20 minutes

[simple sierra]

my runs are usually 17 but first region 6

[sick harbor]

i finished hades 2 (yay) but can someone help me if im doing smthn wrong to get the hidden aspect for lim n oros
i have mel's aspect to rank V, and i unlocked all other weapon aspects. its just i cant seem to get lim n oros aspects which is incredibly frustrating. can anyone help me out here?

[thorny adder]

Oh, I just realized the new keepsakes are going to be terrible with great chaos…

[thorny adder]

Needs to be a non-Mel aspect that’s at level 5. The wiki is really outdated

[sick harbor]

ahhh i see. thats unfortunate. i suppose ill upgrade the other ones then.

[viral topaz]

Lol love that you get a voice from chronos if you beat him without getting hit

[sick harbor]

iirc i was able to get xinth's hidden aspect by just upgrading mel's? let me check though.

[thorny adder]

The requirements changed between EA and 1.0

[buoyant matrix]

you now need to have invested 5 nightmare into the weapon

[sick harbor]

ahh alright, ill get that done then 😭

much appreciated!

[thorny adder]

Oh, so level 5

Or spread it out to level 4 and level 2

[buoyant matrix]

level 4 and 2

[sick harbor]

done and done! hopefully i get the hidden aspect this time. ty both!

[thorny adder]

Now that I think about it, It’s a lot easier to get 5 nightmare than 5 titan blood. Sure, you get two for no heat in Hades 1, but after that you have to do runs for every heat when Mel can just buy two of them and potentially get 3 at a time at higher levels (+ the high fear pedestals)

[vague urchin]

• the 2 delivery for cards.

[sick harbor]

yeah you can get it from the broker too for bones, the delivery cards, etc

[thorny adder]

Yep, that’s what I meant by buying two of them

[vague urchin]

I had to clarify, because you can potentially buy 1 from the area 4 shops for 1300 coins and one from the broker for 1200 bones.

[hollow sapphire]

i just got all poseidon boons in the last shop going down?? Not complaining bc it got me two duo boons but i only had two boons from him before then and hadnt grabbed his keepsake lol

[thorny adder]

Oh, I meant buying from broker and deliveries, so that’s even more

[vague urchin]

Yea, it's super easy to get nightmare, especially if you're following Grave Thirst. Those bones add up fast

[craggy totem]

Hum, I just realized I've technically unlocked everything that isn't an unlockable difficulty/challenge thing

But dagnabbit, I been bit by the bug and now I want to see if I can manage to do a run with some of the weirdo weapons 😆

#h2-builds-and-combat with the big brain Nergal ideas 😂

[vague urchin]

Question from the back: what're we calling Weirdo weapons in this scenario?

[craggy totem]

Mostly the hidden aspects if I'm being quite honest. They adequately fulfill the brief of feeling more different, I suppose :P

[fair patrol]

why does eris give apple?
she's not apple incarnate

[split shuttle]

something related to greek mythology i think

[covert badge]

she steals them from hera's garden

[jaunty night]

she is famous fro giving apples tho

or just one apple i guess xd

[fair patrol]

why can't i send screenshot

https://imgur.com/a/ky2ZFWg
which keepsake
on max health

[thorny adder]

Eris steals a golden apple and uses it as a prize for the most beautiful goddess, which kickstarts the Trojan War

Skipped a bunch of steps there, but that’s the myth background

[craggy totem]

Is it Hera's garden in the game? In the myth it's the garden of the Hesperides

[fair patrol]

pls help

[jaunty night]

"the most beautiful" being left open, so hera, aphrodite and athena duke it out

[covert badge]

which region you're on now

[fair patrol]

mountain

[thorny adder]

It ends up being “who can bribe Paris with the best gift” lol

[covert badge]

[fair patrol]

maybe bones? or sash?

[wind heron]

is the god limit 3 or 4 i cant remember

[craggy totem]

Four

[fair patrol]

I take sash because I suck

[craggy totem]

Why would you take sash that far into the run? Things hit too hard up there, it's gonna break in two shakes of a lamb's tail

I say this as a sash enjoyer, safe player, and Arachne stan

[thorny adder]

(80 damage for reference)

Unless you already have an armor build, you’re losing sash on the first mini-boss

[fair patrol]

DIVINE INTERVENTION

[jaunty night]

is god dispute an instapick for anyone else?

2 boons for 1 is just such a good deal

[thorny adder]

Always. Who doesn’t love two for the price of one?

[covert badge]

was gonna say gorgon but oh well lol

[craggy totem]

Building up armor by simply not taking damage in Ephyra and Rift, otoh... that's promising, especially with Ephyra's extra rooms #farmmode

Gives me the feeling of clipping coupons, but with a vidya game 😂

[thorny adder]

Ooh, the Heph boon would go so hard too

[jaunty night]

a heph+sash+arachne dress run is definitely on my list

[craggy totem]

DLC to add Arachne to the Surface when? 😆

[fair patrol]

I have 12 adamant

[craggy totem]

I joked about Typhon but tbh doesn't Melinoe deserve to have some sweet duds for her extended family reunion???

[jaunty night]

PLEASE i need her to move in with us at the crossroads

[jaunty night]

until athena asks who made such a pretty dress...

[craggy totem]

TFW you have to take sides between your cousin and your friend 😩

Time for some character development, kiddo!

[fair patrol]

gonna fight him..

Prometheus...

[devout cairn]

just dont get hit

[jaunty night]

good luck!

to really get pumped, hyped and in the right mindset eat some liver irl

[craggy totem]

Delicious 🤤

[fair patrol]

prom 1. top
prom 2. mid, bottom
prom 3. top, mid

[devout cairn]

gonna overload your brain trying to remember it like that 😂

[split shuttle]

taking notes in the middle of chat is crazy

[fair patrol]

prom 1. top, bottom
prom 2. mid
prom 3. top, mid
prom 4. top, bottom
prom 5. mid

[craggy totem]

It's honestly easier to just look at the safe zone and do a mnemonic for it, whether it's just saying it out loud or -- as I do sometimes -- a sort of mental handwave motion that follows the path I need to run

[fair patrol]

BEAT HIM

[split shuttle]

LETS GO

[devout cairn]

gratz

[craggy totem]

🔥

[fair patrol]

0 DD lmao

[covert badge]

might need to go for tooth i think

[fair patrol]

yep

The summit..

is that zeus on the gate

[jaunty night]

wait why

[fair patrol]

no death defiance

[jaunty night]

until he starts yapping about top middle bottom paths

[fair patrol]

WHAT'S THIS BOSS HUH

[jaunty night]

huh how does tooth help there?

[fair patrol]

I suck and then I die

[jaunty night]

LMAO MY SAD EMOJI HAD A BAD WORD IN IT DONT BAN ME PLS IM SORRY

[covert badge]

their pin still lv 1 so might not help much

[devout cairn]

by how much @fair patrol seems to be dying im surprised tooth is still lvl 1

[fair patrol]

it's lvl 2 because I took the duo boon

[fair patrol]

I don't die much in underworld and I play it a lot I only suck on surface

[jaunty night]

wait how does the toothe help? doesnt it just boost damage?

[devout cairn]

it's 1 DD

[fair patrol]

I barely play surface

[jaunty night]

oooooh skelly tooth... im dumb

[fair patrol]

WHO TF IS THIS GUY

[jaunty night]

average first time reaction to summit enemies

[fair patrol]

why does this guy keep comming from the sky and then like

[bleak solar]

In the record keeper, what do the purple and orange skulls represent? Their numbers are different to the clear number.

[covert badge]

skull is fear amount in the run
purple for underworld
orange for surface

[fair patrol]

WHO IS THIS BOSS

[bleak solar]

ah fear!

[split shuttle]

wait until he meets the big baddy at the very top

[jaunty night]

omg wait nergal is so OP though!!!

i played it like once before but this is nuts.. i turned on max scars as well for the meme and i'm chillin

[fair patrol]

SO MANY UNAVOIDABLE BOSSES

[split shuttle]

yeah the summit is just like that

[fair patrol]

hi hermes

[jaunty night]

wait hold up why is nemesis barefoot?

[split shuttle]

oh man he is going to freak out at the final boss

[fair patrol]

OH NO TYPHON

[split shuttle]

called it

[craggy totem]

To flex. (Is she really tho)

[fair patrol]

umm zeus???

[devout cairn]

that was a very fast transition is this real live commentary 🤨

[split shuttle]

hes believing in himself

[covert badge]

dps skip ig

[wind heron]

pretty sure she wears sandals no?

[fair patrol]

I DIED

what was that

[devout cairn]

well you got to the boss on your first summit atleast

[tranquil wren]

could've had knuckebones

[devout cairn]

had tooth

[tranquil wren]

oh

[craggy totem]

I'm gonna be so real, I definitely thought knucklebones worked by literally reducing the boss's max health until I saw someone complaining about knucklebones + the Hades blessing interaction

[split shuttle]

im assuming he died in p4? p4 is the longest and hardest phase of em all so gl man