h2-discussion

[maiden pelican]

Thank you!

[covert badge]

what the sigma

[nova oar]

I like your pfp

[honest solar]

Accidentally picked up Hermes legendary I hate it

Let's go I killed eris

36 heat

[shrewd geyser]

nice

[thin laurel]

hmmmm 6:38 moros... decent? missed a fig leaf proc and some boons I was fishing for so maybe I'll stick with moros for a few more attempts
heph blast specials topped the damage board and I never got hestia duo despite having it open since erebus rip

[dense sequoia]

That feel when you finish off the last boss of a run, and then Steady Growth goes off and bumps one of your boons to Heroic.

[honest solar]

Ahhh I died on olympus

[shrewd geyser]

"Oh yeah, it's all coming together"

[honest solar]

Anubis is a little slow ngl

[shrewd geyser]

yeah i love anubis but playing it into frnzy is rough times

[honest solar]

Morrigan build?

[simple sierra]

it would be fun if you could do "new run+" and continue a surface/tartarus run through the other route but with enhanced enemies, every vow+1, keeping your existing build

[simple sierra]

I like going for a heroic heph on special or attack

[shrewd geyser]

Hera or Heph attack, zeus special

[honest solar]

Duos or legends

[kind wharf]

does alt tab pause the game? i know it does for cutscenes/etc sometimes but idk if it does during combat

[thin laurel]

why do you go for heph attack on morrigan? I feel like I almost never do, I like hestia or dmg%

[simple sierra]

most morrigan dmg is triad vs the attack itself

[shrewd geyser]

hestia on morrigan?

[simple sierra]

tho you can def do like an aphro or apollo attack with the right hammers

[thin laurel]

scorch can melt + tear through barriers 🤷

[fleet wave]

where can i find thalamus?

[simple sierra]

chaos pits

[fleet wave]

is that in the underworld?

[thin laurel]

but also the Ω attack often tops the damage board, not triad
it depends what your exact build is, but still

[honest solar]

Than axe?

[simple sierra]

anywhere! just always take a gate to chaos

[fleet wave]

chaos is uh that area where you sacrifice some hp to dive right? where you talk to chaos and he gives you a objective for a reward

[simple sierra]

than axe I like building towards aphro legendary with aphro attack. demeter special or cast for safety

[fleet wave]

for weapons, i just unlocked uh 'aspects', only one aspect for a weapon can be equipped at once right..?

[thin laurel]

yup! you can unlock and try all of them, but you have to choose one to use for the night.
some of them change how the weapon works pretty drastically and wouldn't make sense to combine

[fleet wave]

hm okay cool ty

[nocturne grove]

is aspect of momus really good?

[thin laurel]

yes, probably the best torch aspect altho none of them are actively bad

[nocturne grove]

momus is staff

[thin laurel]

oh, sorry momus not moros
annoyingly similar names LMAO
momus is just okay

[nocturne grove]

also how do I get athena to spawn again

[atomic river]

can i encounter circe on chaos trials? seems like every time i run one its the same rewards

[fleet wave]

which is the best staff aspect?

[thin laurel]

it's currently the weakest staff of the four, it's not awful but the other three are very good and momus got nerfed a few times
and to get athena to spawn you either 1. go to olympus and get lucky, or 2. equip her keepsake while you have no death defiances (either because you lost them or are playing strength)

[atomic river]

circe or mel

[crude dragon]

Circe

[thin laurel]

circe
mel is very close, and anubis is also very good tho. 3/4 staffs are like... insanely good, imo

[fleet wave]

wait wha... not momus?

[ionic void]

Any tips for the "Melinoe, seek us" prophecy? I figure hecate and heracles is just giving enough presents, but what about ||prometheus?||

[nova oar]

Momus is the worst staff aspect

[shrewd geyser]

keep fighting

[atomic river]

? 🙏

[nocturne grove]

I saw her once and literally never again I literally just wanna give her the gift bro

[nova oar]

No

[atomic river]

man

[thin laurel]

momus was the best ages ago, but got reworked
then in the patch before 1.0 it got nerfed at the same time anubis got introduced, and circe and mel got reworked and became crazy good

[crude dragon]

Nope, the hidden is excellent and Circe and Mel got reworked into godhood

Momus got a half second added to the turrets across all levels. It's still solid, but it's a B tier compared to 3 S tiers

[ionic void]

damn so its just luck on getting the right dialogue?

[shrewd geyser]

ya

[ionic void]

damn

[thin laurel]

if you listed every aspect in order of strength idt momus would be super low...? it's not awful, the other staff aspects are just all ridiculous lol

[nocturne grove]

how do you even use circe aspect?

[crude dragon]

Pick a cast that does damage
Use cast

[nocturne grove]

build around omega cast?

[shrewd geyser]

momus demands far too much magic to be viable higher up

[crude dragon]

Even just regular cast is good to build around

[fleet wave]

thanks guys

[thin laurel]

I prefer building around zeus cast tbh
x2 cast damage and potentially x2 cast AoE if you want (you can stack them or spread them out)
and then just play it like normal staff while your cast shreds
you can stack a bunch of Ω cast effects too but then you rly want winner's circle

[nocturne grove]

lmao love storm ring

[atomic river]

zeus special on mel torch most optimal or what tryna make a build

[fleet wave]

also uh is it just me or do the flames suck balls

[nocturne grove]

storm ring, gust cast air quality?

[covert badge]

circe with glorious kinda pogs ngl with winner ofc

[crude dragon]

The torches are pretty good. Mostly Momus, though Eos is surprisingly solid as well

[thin laurel]

they're pretty good lol, they just play differently than other weapons
if you don't have a good source of magick regen 2/4 aspects fall off a cliff DPS wise

[covert badge]

another torches non-enjoyer smh

[crude dragon]

Could go King's Ransom to boost the damage super high

[crude dragon]

Even Eos wants a decent magic regen

[thin laurel]

true! it can just survive with less total, like idk you can make glamour gain work with Eos

[fleet wave]

i actually like the daggers

[craggy totem]

If you have a non-ugpraded basic torch and haven't unlocked any aspects yet, then.... well, tbh, I'd still say it was mid at worst 🤔

[thin laurel]

tbh I think it could have been neat to make torches the second easiest weapon to unlock, blades are cool but torches really make new players have to use magick and get used to channeling

[thin laurel]

also yeah, it's still not even bad 🤷

• some builds don't even care abt the base torch buffs that much. run ripple effect or cut above spam with duos and it'll work just as well at zero investment as lv5

same with blitz and scorch, altho I don't rly find myself running scorch on Mel torches ever

[craggy totem]

I guess I just looked at it and thought "oh, it's a flamethrower. you track and you use a lot of resource."

[covert badge]

imo torches is the easiest to play, also friendly for carpal tunnel homies

[nocturne grove]

in what world is kings ransom reliable bro

hera also has some bonkers boons, like the one that boosts damage per olympian

[thin laurel]

if you're using rerolls and god keepsakes king's ransom isn't that hard to get, and pomming the hell out of storm ring and double strike goes crazy on circe 🤷
for ||jpom|| runs nah, but even then I find that storm ring isn't that hard to get above the AQ damage threshold, with furies and origination

[nova oar]

It's fairly reliable if you're not trying for max value

[nocturne grove]

do yall change bindings for controller

[nova oar]

I haven't, but some do

[thin laurel]

and storm ring circe doesn't care abt magick at all rly, so you can open it up with born gain and some random tier 2 hera boons and not lose all that much by sacrificing them. hitch is nice to have but chances are you can get it back if you ransom before like... fields endshop, idk

[crude dragon]

Yeah, I hate the default bindings

I think I changed it to what I had for Hades 1

[shrewd geyser]

if you plan on playing a lot of axe and dont have back paddles i reccomend a rebind

[storm glen]

i dont know how anyone plays the game with all the 4 default actions on face buttons

[icy apex]

Is it just me or does Melinoe feel a bit more weighty and a bit harder to 'steer' than Zagreus did in Hades 1?

[nocturne grove]

I like the axe honestly

[crude dragon]

Attack right trigger, Special right bumper, Cast left bumper, Hex left trigger, dash on X

[storm glen]

not really

[nocturne grove]

dark souls type binds

[craggy totem]

People mentioned she runs/dodges differently, maybe that's what you noticed?

[icy apex]

She definitely runs and dodges differently.

[storm glen]

the sprint doesnt have acceleration

[tropic monolith]

she floats in the direction you were moving if you charge some omegas without stopping first, which was not an issue Zag had

[shrewd geyser]

mel is smooth as butter once you are used to her

[storm glen]

i feel like zag's movement is more determined by the dash attack of the weapon he was using

[icy apex]

Although the running seems to steer a bit slower too. It's not terrible but it is an adjustment.

Also the default bindings on PC had me thinking right-click was cast and Q was special when it's been flipped in H2

[tropic monolith]

running didn't exist in H1 so...

[icy apex]

Dash spam is also SEVERELY nerfed as far as I can tell, which is fair because in Hades 1 that was the common strat.

[tropic monolith]

or do you mean just the regular movement

[icy apex]

Movement as a whole feels different. Not bad, but different.

[thin laurel]

I mean yeah dash spam doesn't even exist, the best you can do is that one hermes boon, otherwise dash isn't rly spammable
sprint is great tho, and cast is good even with no boons on it

[storm glen]

you can dash attack spam kind of if you know what ur doing

bc sprinting and attacking counts as a dash attack so you can sprint attack and then immediately dash to do two dash attacks in a row

[tropic monolith]

I never was any good at dash attack spam in 1 so I don't even miss it here 😛

[thin laurel]

just not in the same way h1 dash spam works
offensively you can spam dash attacks, but defensively you can't rly spam dash i-frames to the same extent

[scenic gust]

Lunar Ray is insanely good for Early game and late

Especially when you can cast it off freely. Free shield free damage Selene burn hard

Just doing a rerun. Slap Grandpa at 7th night easily and always win with good Hex

[nocturne grove]

Hexes are so useless for me

I almost never use omega moves except with torches

[honest solar]

What's a good boon for attack for shiva

[thin laurel]

% damage of some kind
aphro, apollo, hera
demeter ares to a lesser extent

[dense helm]

whats the argument for strength over death defiance

[tropic monolith]

More damage, don't need DD if you don't get hit

[merry whale]

strength amplifies all healing sources since u have more effective hp

[dense helm]

i feel like dds are just better? you get +120% health essentially which seems like more of an impact than -40% +20%

[merry whale]

u get a 66% increase in effective hp

[dense helm]

well

[thin laurel]

strength is also very good with healing effects since every point of hp you heal counts as more effective hp
DDs are good if you're struggling (i.e. learning a new fight), and at high fear when healing gets turned off, but strength is quite solid

[merry whale]

so 100 hp -> 166 effective hp

[dense helm]

100% --> 220% for dd
100% --> 166% for strength

[merry whale]

it's basically 166% that's constant and u don't need to worry about dd refills at all

it's like fighting everything with dd and a half

[dense helm]

hmmm yeah i can see that

[thin laurel]

healing is also more plentiful than DD refills
and ofc the damage bonus from strength is really nice
I think both are better in different situations 🤷

[dense helm]

i dont really ever use dds before the final boss right now? does that change anything

[nova oar]

You might be better off running strength

[thin laurel]

if you're using like... 0-1 DDs per run then strength is probably better for you
if you need all 3 DDs to survive a final boss then I'd maybe stick with DDs until you're more confident

[merry whale]

dds r still fine to get a handle on stuff u struggle with, tho i think strength just inherently allows u to develop more consistency overall

[thin laurel]

and I like DDs for new content, like learning a new rivals fight, so I don't get surprised by an instadeath move and lose a run I could have won 🤷

[dense helm]

its weirdly volatile for me idk i had two nearly identical runs and one ended with no dds lost and in another i lost like 4 of them in chronos phase 1

secondary related question how good is athena keepsake with strength

[nova oar]

Very

[vague urchin]

For Narcissus and Echo, i might have missed something, ||I have the prophecy for voice and vanity, the water is muddied, but i'm at a loss what i'm doing from here, because I keep talking to narcissus and echo, both are capped on gifts but i'm not progressing at all||

[winter cove]

Okay Gale is the best animal friend

[craggy totem]

I love Gale! Raki is pretty good too though.

[winter cove]

The dodge bonus is unbelievably good

[craggy totem]

in terms of pure cuteness though, Frinos is OP

[winter cove]

Frinos is definitley very cute

Also he's helpful for removing the ghost minigame

which I really don't like lol.

[craggy totem]

The funniest mechanical thing about Frinos is probably when he ||eats Hecate's morph projectile lol||

[winter cove]

The dog i||s the mourning fields right? near Echo?||

I haven't gotten him yet. I'll probably head there now

[craggy totem]

I believe so (and she's a she)

[limpid stream]

Confession time, I never got the true ending in H1. I might put H2 on pause and grind that out

[winter cove]

To be honest, I got bored of Hades 1 ||shortly after returning Persephone||

This is way better QOL

[scenic gust]

There are plentiful of useful things Hex can do. Especially when they got upgrade

[winter cove]

Hexes are a game changer with upgrades.

Certain end game bosses, very hard to survive without them.

[vague urchin]

Bringing back an enemy for the entire location

[kind wharf]

sometimes i wish the feedback channel was still here

[limpid stream]

I hate hexes but I also said that about mana like right before I figured out how to enjoy mana hungry builds so 🤷‍♀️

[broken glen]

Hexes feel way better when you have the godsent version of them

[tropic monolith]

Mana hungry builds are the most fun with hexes

Just gotta upgrade most to be good

[limpid stream]

That’s fair, they prob never got a fair chance from me since I refused to use mana

[broken glen]

Like lunar ray is pathetic but then you turn on Apollo suddenly it’s the full concentrated power of the sun

[thin laurel]

imo hexes kinda go in two categories
"fine at baseline with lots of utility and safety"
and "absurd damage but you wanna invest in them for it to be worth it"
lunar ray is ridiculous with a lot of upgrades but p pathetic on its own, whereas wolf howl and twilight curse I still like w zero upgrades for safety

[broken glen]

Twilight curse is debatable, really nice pick at high fear but not really worth at low without investment

[thin laurel]

idk, I love turning olympus robots harmless and oneshotting typhon eggs 🤷
it's definitely better the higher your fear is, since if non-boss enemies pose zero threat it isn't doing much, but it's cheap and adds a lot of safety so it's one of my defaults if I don't want to invest in it

[broken glen]

It’s great because it removes barriers

(It does, right? Am I crazy?)

[thin laurel]

it should remove at least one layer since it deals 80 damage on hit now...? idk if it removes both

and with investment it's like. idk, the godsent is okay damage but isn't going to be run carrying.
I also find it more valuable on surface, and esp surface with menace since getting the spinning robots on a tiny boat in rift sucks

[honest solar]

shredder build idea anyone

[broken glen]

Like axe special?

[honest solar]

No any aspect

[broken glen]

Just something that shreds in general

[honest solar]

Ye

[broken glen]

I’ll get the obvious out of the way: psychic whirlwind exceptional talent with nergal or Thanatos axe. That is the definition of shredding.

[little whale]

anubis hestia scorch 400%

[honest solar]

psychic whirlwind exceptional talent???

[little whale]

i once had a 200k scorch damage run, most fun i ever had

[honest solar]

what is that

[little whale]

oh no it was 300k

[broken glen]

Psychic whirlwind is a Daedalus hammer for the axes that allows you to act freely while using your omega special (instead of being stuck swinging). Exceptional talent is Apollo’s legendary, which makes your omega attack and special trigger twice, but cost more magic. Together you can become a blender

[little whale]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[thin laurel]

psychic whirlwind = daedalus hammer for axes, lets you dash and use attacks while your Ω attack is active for a bunch of extra damage and safety

exceptional talent = apollo legendary boon, makes Ω attacks and specials fire twice (except on torches which only get Ω attacks)

so stacking them together you get constantly 2x omega attack damage whirling around you while you do other things

[covert badge]

man i wish flame wheel is in h2

imagine them with hordes and return

[meager garden]

yum

[broken glen]

https://tenor.com/view/plinko-you-plinko-gif-26501962

[meager garden]

give them the teleport fangs as an option

[honest solar]

how do i do this

[hearty timber]

Hades 2 developers really added two separate voice lines (Eris and Prometheus) roasting Raki

[meager garden]

also why is there still a 15 sec slowdown

[broken glen]

Do what in specific

How new are you to hades 2

[still dagger]

I got the credits. I feel more blindsided than anything

[broken glen]

I’m sorry

[crude dragon]

It'd be like Oceanus fish but explosive

[broken glen]

Hey there’s a REALLY GREAT PLOTPOINT that happens AFTER THE EPILOGUE (we don’t talk about the epilogue) SO MAKE SURE TO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT

[still dagger]

I like the basic sentiment, I think. ||happy endings are nice, but I wasn't expecting it at all. Even though it's a rogue like and it should keep going, but I still didn't expect it. It's almost...sappy? Like, it can make sense, but the execution is...I don't know.||

[hearty timber]

Exactlyyyyy

[still dagger]

oh, you mean after the credits? Another run?

[crude dragon]

||Yeah, the fact that it all happened over the course of a single cutscene is the main gripe. Well, that and that it was all Zag||

[broken glen]

You know how in hades 1 there’s an ending, and then an epilogue that’s almost like a second ending? That’s here, too

[still dagger]

agreed. don't mind the ||zag part, though||

[still dagger]

ok, will work on that. now give me supay tips

do I just float around

[broken glen]

Hey you don’t get to order me around like tha- Supay is really hard to make work, but when it does, it’s insane. It excels with flat damage modifiers, like scorch or blitz. Combine them together and you’ll even get thermal dynamics which is crazy. I’m not the most experienced in aspect of soup, so I’m sure there’s other people who can give better advice

[still dagger]

I don't understand the rush boon bonus. I mean, rush boons just exist. feels like Circe's psychic leash; it's an itneresting effect but it's not the main strength

[thin laurel]

it also got nerfed a bunch
on release iirc it was a 70% bonus (75%?)

[still dagger]

maybe demeter dash? that would be good, or hera dash

[craggy totem]

Are you meant to be running around smashing your auto-specials into things a lot and that's what the synergy is meant to be? Supay confused me I gotta confess haha

[thin laurel]

still, damaging rush boons can do good work on it. zeus, poseidon, hestia, hera (not for bosses)

nexus rush with enough rarity on supay can oneshot every non-armored non-boss enemy in erebus lol, it’s silly

[craggy totem]

For some reason it was doing pretty decent damage (by my standards, no optimization) but I have no idea where the hell the damage was even coming from

[hearty timber]

Cut above on supay goes crazy

[crude dragon]

Demeter dash is not very good, just because the damage is pitiful on it

[still dagger]

is nexus rush the highest damaging rush boon?

[crude dragon]

Highest single hit, yes

[thin laurel]

nexus rush is very high damage but it’s on a long cooldown per enemy, which is why it’s bad for bossing

[crude dragon]

Though Poseidon's is better damage per second and leads into Beach Ball

[fleet wave]

can the same boons appear more than once in a run

[hearty timber]

Can someone help me understand how exactly does mel staff animation cancel work? Is it attack into special and repeat or something else

[pine fiber]

I am desperately searching for driftwood. I know where it is but I just cannot get many

[craggy totem]

Only if you purge one

[fleet wave]

i traded one to nemesis....

[crude dragon]

The Ransoms and Bridal Glow can't, all others can

[crude dragon]

You got Gale unlocked?

[craggy totem]

Oh, Nem, I forgot she did those trades lol. That should count ig.

[pine fiber]

Nope. One time I saw them, didn't have the witches delight sadly

[fleet wave]

on accident cuz im an idiot

[pine fiber]

And I haven't been skillful enough to make it to Gale a second time

[thin laurel]

hm, does supay buff heph rush? or nah cause it’s a blast effect?
I only ever take it to open up duos tbh so it never occurred to me to check

[craggy totem]

Being stuck in the RNG resource hole sucks, may it turn in your favor soon....

[hearty timber]

Yes it does, I've played supay smithy rush

[thin laurel]

neat
hestia feel rly good on supay specials imo so nice easy duo ig if it shows up

shame about the base damage, but takes less effort to pom done to 2s iirc

[pine fiber]

Mhm, sometimes I just pray I get 1 or 2 of something and get a chaos gate asap and try to get the bonus resource boon

For later areas I die in a ton, lets me get more if I find anything

[hearty timber]

Trust me the play is cut above, each time your omega special hits it's a blade that spawns

[still dagger]

as I understand, a specific number of olympians show up in a run and they kind of accompany as you go along. if -later on- I use an olympian's boon, does that join the ensemble or does it show up once and then has a less likelihood of showing up?

[meager garden]

it just joins the roster basically, from what I know

[still dagger]

ty

[cunning warren]

Anyone hates when chronos sends you to asphodel

That stage is so cancer

[broken glen]

Fun fact: if you just stay outside of the ring and let it go to 0%, you’ll get teleported back (but you won’t get a chamber reward)

WAY faster

[cunning warren]

But no chamber rewards sucks tho

[proud pumice]

So I beat the main story at midnight today (1 and a half hours ago). 10/10 will play again

[meager garden]

worth it for the time save I think, but yeah it stings

[cunning warren]

I wish there was an incantation to disable asphodel

[broken glen]

I mean it’s usually just a Pom or magick, it can’t be a boon I think

[cunning warren]

Isn't it the reward of the chamber you went in ?

[broken glen]

Yeah, and I don’t think you can trigger asphodel on a boon door (because getting dialogue in asphodel would be weird)

[cunning warren]

Ah I see but it's not like all boons have dialogues but you could be right

[broken glen]

You get boon dialogue the first time you meet a god, or the first time you get a duo boon (from that god- e.g you’ll get separate dialogue for getting the Demeter/Poseidon duo from Demeter than Poseidon)

And if you really avoided filling your pool, then you might still have a first time encounter in Oceanus

[cunning warren]

Ooo gotcha

[rose swallow]

so i feel like i have found a bug but want to confirm

i have 45 runs so far and have 3 familiars but Attending a Faithful Beast incantation is yet to become an option do note its a EA save should i start over?

[hearty timber]

What incantation is this?

[rose swallow]

my understranding is it allows you to upgrade your familiars

[unkempt zodiac]

You can only upgrade after finding all of them

[hearty timber]

You need to find at least 3 of them yes

[unkempt zodiac]

Is it only 3?

I had been led to believe you needed all

[hearty timber]

You need to spend 3 of the treats to get the incantation iirc

[broken glen]

I love how there’s so much conflicting information because we all unlocked this in different versions and the wiki is a gaslighter

[rose swallow]

wiki says its only 3 cause to find the dog you need to have upgraded a familiar once

[hearty timber]

Maybe it was 3 back in EA when Raki was released

[unkempt zodiac]

Welp what can ya do

[rose swallow]

lol

[broken glen]

Wait for the wiki people to finish crying about the ending

[rose swallow]

ill just keep playing and assume everythings fine

[unkempt zodiac]

What's wrong with the ending? Just people upset about the lore making no sense?

[swift flare]

people think Zag trashes Mel

[broken glen]

If you want a long rant, go talk to #h2-story-discussion . For my short version:

||I liked what they were going for, but there was no buildup. In hades 1, I loved getting to figure out little pieces of the plot and seeing it develop over the course of 10 runs. I got to slowly persuade Hades to let him reunite with Persephone. In hades 2, Chronos goes from hating your guts to being your best friend in one run. It’s all in one, long cutscene, and there was almost nothing telling you that was going to happen. For Mel, there are things hinting at her decisions, but her development is only really clear if you do side quests (such as Circe’s cursed pearl) that you probably won’t see until postgame.||

[keen tartan]

does the torches omega cast maintain the 15% crit from night arcana

[swift flare]

i dunno about the no build-up...

[nocturne grove]

Holy water build

[swift flare]

||it's always about Mel needs past-Zag to kill past-Chronos, but Zag's been constantly uncomfortable with the idea that Chronos needs to be killed instead of talk through.||

[nocturne grove]

I got both water infusions and athena death defiance and I just won by tanking

[swift flare]

||and Zag's ending up did talk-no-jutsu out of Chronos, like what he did best in Hades 1||

[broken glen]

Hey! Put that in spoilers! ||Still, Mel’s opinion on the matter doesn’t change until the very last moment. I think what really hurt it was that the amount of successful underworld runs got halved due to the surface route, meaning that they sort of had to rush the beats compared to h1||

[swift flare]

||I still don't see the issue. Especially in the end, Chronos kidnapped Hecate, which fuels Mel's hate even more.||

||Mel never really told anyone that the new Chronos must die and all that, Chronos is the one like "Finish me!" and Zag said no and gave him a chance.||

||in a sense, they did kill off the hateful Chronos, so Mel had succeeded||

[thin laurel]

I agree with both of you and idt think what you're saying really contradicts 🤷
||on paper the ending makes sense, and is reasonably in character for everyone involved. but at the same time, it happens very quickly, and can be hard to swallow because of how sudden everything feels to some players. I also think that Mel's choices and reactions, while understandable, aren't sufficiently highlighted by that narrative to feel satisfying.||
also idk, on a ludic level the biggest plot and character moments don't reeeaaally intersect with gameplay enough imo, which is a shame. ||I think making the ending take 5-10 more runs after Zag messed with time would go alone way, because it would feel like everyone involved was grappling with the changes||

[mental stone]

Anyone have idea what I could be missing that requires poppy?
it's the last item in my brokers list marked as needed resource that's not part of the repeatable cauldron recipes.

[thin laurel]

but anyway! back to trying to do some high fear clears for me lol
may not be the night for it, kind of out of it, but the grind (much like time) cannot be stopped

[swift flare]

||The only general complain that I agree with is that we reach that point quickly. But IMO, it is because the surface ending sucks. No real context, the gods just "thanks! you can go now." x5.||

||You are really getting some lore from underworld ending mostly with Zag 5 times.||

[woeful oriole]

could someone explain the ||3 fates quest to me, am i supposed to trigger moros pin 3 chambers in a row without triggering dd and then on the 4th chamber actually trigger dd?||

[thin laurel]

you can do it in a chaos trial, too, just select the oceanus one where it doesn't lock you into a specific keepsake

[woeful oriole]

oh alright ill try that out

[hearty timber]

|| Don't trigger dd, die. You need to die in the fourth chamber ||

[woeful oriole]

oh thats why it didnt trigger. alright ill try that this time

[hearty timber]

|| Bring strength instead of dd it will be easier ||

[iron thicket]

Hey
Does anyone know how can I trigger the "born to win" and "Silk and Spitefulness" prophecies? I'm a 100 hours in and they are the only two achievements left but I don't even have them on the list and I read some people are saying it's bugged idk

[nova oar]

They're not bugged, but dialogue has been weird since 1.0 so if you're sure you've met the prerequisites then keep trying

[iron thicket]

Like I'm pretty sure I saw || hecate and uhh the spider lady talk about the curse multiple times now but it has been a while since any of them mentioned it despite me running into her like 5-10 times since the last time they talked about it ||

[thin matrix]

is there anything after I ||check on both the underworld and overworld once? I did a run for both but now it stalls me and just brings me back to the house; the dialogue did say I can't visit for quite some time?||

[nova oar]

#h2-story-discussion

[nova oar]

For the arachne one you need to talk to athena on olympus

[jagged dirge]

oh yeah i uh was NOT aware of that when making that message lol
i think i should just uh copy and paste that

[iron thicket]

I ran into her a few times but she never mentioned, will try again today thanks

[mental stone]

for born to win you can actually complete it while trying to fish for the convo, if you have previously done the run it will get autocompleted the moment you get the prophecy

[swift flare]

i assume u need to gift Chaos enough nectars so he will give you the prophecy, like Poseidon with his fishing prophecy

[oak sable]

You can also force her with the keepsake

and that can happen in the underworld as well

[thin laurel]

for that prophecy you might need to specifically run into her on olympus tho
like how iirc athena can only be gifted on olympus

[nova oar]

You do have to be on olympus specifically

[mental stone]

at least she can be forced to appear on olympus with the keepsake, unlike icarus

[nocturne grove]

Air quality is the divine dash of hades 2

It can turn a horrible run with zero dodges into a win

[keen tartan]

Stalwart Stand is so incredibly awful

[nova oar]

What

[slim pike]

what

[nova oar]

what

[mental stone]

Stalwart Stand
Gain +1 Death Defiance that replenishes in each Location, but you Prime Magick

[dusk mirage]

No no he has a point
It's not a bad boon by any means but Athena offers it and that would make it the worst garbage ever

[digital tulip]

How to skip or speed up the ending cutscenes? Or let them play in background?

[keen tartan]

i hate the 150 prime

[digital tulip]

This is pretty ridiculous, did they design this on purpose? You must have the window active for it to continue playing.

[dusk mirage]

I'm pretty sure you can prime much less if it's higher rarity

[keen tartan]

i don't see rare athena boons often unless i get to use her keepsake so i haven't seen it with lower than 150 prime

[dusk mirage]

If you're a strength gamer then yeah it's useless but it's a free DD per room

Still would never catch me dead with Athena and her grubby boons

[mental stone]

can also be used to heal from low health if there is trap or if you notice before killing last enemy

[digital tulip]

and the credits are unskippable as well?!

[crude dragon]

It's 100 primed at Epic

[merry iris]

You need to do olymp runs talk to Athena there then you get Hecate saying that she knows who has poisoned arachne do more underworld runs

[crude dragon]

- Arachne

[keen tartan]

isn't it like an engraved pin but you don't die when you don't clear the room

[merry iris]

I think there was somewhere good guide for it bcs I'm doing it right now as I need like 4 achivs for 100%

[dusk mirage]

Athena got a stick so far up her ass she may as well be the God of popsicles too

[crude dragon]

Yes, and you can stack it with Pin as well

[keen tartan]

btw how do you properly rng manipulate the first area in the surface

[crude dragon]

Doors won't spawn a god that's already on another door

[merry iris]

You finished campaign ?

[keen tartan]

i haven't

[crude dragon]

Or they can, but it's weighted not to

[keen tartan]

my problem is that it keeps happening to me

[crude dragon]

The initial spawn can have duplicates, but they're guaranteed to not remain duplicates

[merry iris]

Well so I won't tell you bcs it's spoilers for the normal ending but over all just go with god keepsake you want to have and then change it to good synergy

[keen tartan]

i keep rolling into the same god that's already on the floor

[merry iris]

You need to die to reroll it

[keen tartan]

no like with dices

[merry iris]

End the night is just respawn with the same seed

[covert badge]

bro april is 6 months ahead

[keen tartan]

im just mad salty i forgot it gave me 150 prime and completely killed my omega cast build making me deal 95% less dmg

engraved pin triggers before DD right?

[merry iris]

I don't get what you want, it's impossible to roll the same thing always or you are just so unlucky

[nova oar]

Yes

[keen tartan]

probably mad unlucky

but does the first map in the surface have like a pool of 3 or 4 gods it will roll more likely into or something

[nocturne grove]

I dont wanna learn to use the skulls

[merry iris]

I mean I had likec15 runs before I rolled Elysium fight so it can happen

[nocturne grove]

Theyre so weird

[merry iris]

Nah it can roll everything

[keen tartan]

because it seems whoever is on the doors when i first enter it, they show up more often when i reroll doors

[merry iris]

If you don't do 100% just don't use it but it's op and fun

[nocturne grove]

In what world is it op bro

I know theres the medea skull you have to do fighting game combos for but generally

[merry iris]

Yeah if you get like Aphrodite and Zeus you will see more of their boons through whole run it's made that way

[limpid oar]

Door do you have hidden aspects?

[nocturne grove]

Its just whatever, Id rather learn to use the coat

[nocturne grove]

No I have 4 total boss kills atp lol

[crude dragon]

Fighting game combos? If alternating Attack and Special is a fighting game combo, then I have to assume the most you've played is Super Smash Brothers

[merry iris]

Just play and find out it's part of the fun but my tip is look for deadelus hammers upgrade with it

[limpid oar]

Ohh, well once you get the hidden skull I think you may like it. It's the only skull I like because it doesn't play like a skull

[nocturne grove]

Thats every weapon bro

[merry iris]

MACHINE BBBUUM

[nocturne grove]

I dont have a nintendo either

[merry iris]

Nah xd

[nova oar]

Medea is nowhere near fighting game combos of difficulty

[merry iris]

Is any weapon ?

[crude dragon]

Anyways, Mel and Mom skulls are fairly simple to play, Medea has a small learning curve but is something you can easily get used to, and the hidden plays like gun from Hades 1

[nova oar]

The difficulty in the game does not come from the skill ceiling of weapons

[limpid oar]

You know what chat, as much as 🚪 should try the weapon more before they judge, I am low-key with them on skull being a weird weapon. I can kinda do things with Medea and Mel skull is okay if you get the nutty hammers but I don't really like them

[merry iris]

True

[limpid oar]

Uhhh maybe morrigan if you want to play around triads?

[crude dragon]

Eh, not really? It's more of a rhythm for Morrigan

[merry iris]

You could say that but it's far better not playing around it

[merry iris]

Imagine Anubis xd

[limpid oar]

I should learn Anubis at some point, it seems fun

[merry iris]

Not my style but it's fun really only weapon that is hard to play is basic form of axe

[gusty thunder]

hades 2 slaps, i left it for a while during beta lol but coming back to it, its amazing

[nocturne grove]

Honestly surface 3rd boss is probably harder than surface 4th boss

[silver mantle]

Yeah, that’s about right

[nocturne grove]

Maybe its cuz I had moros pin and water fitness with like 200 extra hp in the 4th boss but the combo guy combos

[gusty thunder]

does fear just work similar to heat?

[silver mantle]

Yeah

Similar but not the same

[gusty thunder]

W i hope its challenging, i got to 47 heat in hades 1 so i want this to be challenging too 😄

[keen tartan]

shame ares's spill only stacks up to 100% i wanna know what its like to be part of the speedforce

[silver mantle]

It’s not as hard as heat, I’d say

[crude dragon]

Same same but different

[crude dragon]

It's debatably more challenging, but significantly less unfair

[gusty thunder]

I like that then, hades 1 high heat felt very rng imo

[silver mantle]

Ares + Hermes + Dadelus = I AM SPEED

[limpid oar]

For me fear is easier but part of it could be that i vibe with Mel's toolkit more than i did with Zag's

[keen tartan]

combine it with either torch special or axe omega attack with that hammer that lets you do anything while its happening then i'll have become a beyblade

[silver mantle]

I miss the Stygian Blade

[limpid oar]

I hated that thing, one of the 2 weapons I didn't do 40h on

[gusty thunder]

i miss punching stuff with the twin fists

[silver mantle]

That was me with the Rail in H1

[limpid oar]

My faves were probably Hera bow and Hestia rail

[gusty thunder]

my fav was demeter fists and achilles spear

just extremely fun runs when you spec em right

[keen tartan]

besides the first two gifts per character, gifting doesn't unlock anything useful gameplaywise besides story right?

[crude dragon]

The mid-run NPCs (Arachne, Artemis, etc) have boons that are locked behind getting their relationships up high enough that act as their "Legendary" equivalent

[keen tartan]

interesting

[silver mantle]

You know a game is good when Yahtzee gives it a good review

He said Hades 2 is just Hades 1 but twice as much content, which he says is exactly what it should’ve been

[nocturne grove]

Is aphrodite legendary even good

[oak sable]

does that mean we can expect 6 different routes for Hades 3?

[silver mantle]

Uh oh

[vernal quarry]

It’s certainly very fun, yes, but efficient? Well it’s good for origination but even then it’s easy to put something on your dash and attack/special

[covert badge]

not fancy-fancy like exceptional but its pretty good, i like it when playing with status curse like thermal or glamour+burning desire

but without any support boon, its just a free origination trigger

[mental stone]

it also feels like it has pretty lax requirements, easy to get it in run even when you arent aiming for it

[covert badge]

the fact that it needs flutter strike/flourish is ehh..

i mean it makes sense (especially when combine with island) but still... flutter is big number sure but it isnt that fun to play with

[vernal quarry]

I only take flutter strike on axe runs lol

[fleet wave]

what is vow of scars?????

oop sorry didnt mean to comment

[merry whale]

it's a run modifier that reduces healing sources

[keen tartan]

against Charybdis how on earth are you supposed to dodge the homing bullet hell without some kind of long i-frame like the leap hex

[vernal quarry]

What I do is I stay in one corner for as long as possible before sprinting over to the other side. It’s not perfect but it helps a lot

[keen tartan]

i honestly hate that more than whatever projectiles the final bosses have

[covert badge]

I’m still kinda baffled by The Huntress's condition. Like, it requires you to be under 100% Magick to trigger the Attack/Special damage buff, right?

And then the best boons that support non-omega Attack/Special builds are things like Glamour (1/2 Origination) and Grisly (Plasma = Speed), but both of those are regen-style gains. They constantly top you off at 100% Magick if you’re not actively burning it with o.moves

So it creates this weird paradox: the boon that should work best for The Huntress actively prevents it from triggering

[keen tartan]

i like huntress with the staff, the hammer that doubles staff m1s, and poseidon's regen boon

is there a way to quickly remove boon forget me knots

like one button to completely reset it

[proper lake]

do u mean during runs?

[keen tartan]

do they reset at the end of a run?

[proper lake]

yup

they reset every run!

[vernal quarry]

Imo huntress had a very niche use case so I don’t use it for most runs, but I can see myself using it for certain builds

[hearty idol]

yea i use Huntress mostly for Aspect of Nyx, or if im planning to use Hera's magick other than that mostly just The Furies + Origination.

[lyric zenith]

Should be pretty strong on torches

Moros aspect, at least, since lots of your bombs are non-omega

(Assuming it applies to explosions)

[sonic hound]

got mad at |rivals-prometheus| and deleted the game

[nova oar]

But why

[sonic hound]

I had to focus on my architecture major, that was the main reason

but still, wanted to win with ares/thanatos build and just couldnt beat the prometheus

[oak tulip]

guys i got some question about 1 qeast
quest where i need ||curse pearl ||on 10 skulls, did i need exatly 10 or i can go more?

[civic jolt]

I’ve had eos and Moros torches unlocked for a while, Moros is maxed, and I’ve talked to Moros a lot but still no waking phrase

Am I unlucky or missing something?

[nova oar]

You can go more

[covert badge]

bro couldnt tolerate ||bara sey gex||

[mental stone]

iirc they are post story, if you are past that then unlucky. he does have lot of yapping

[sonic hound]

I liked that particular ||team up|| but rivals has too many ||team-ups|| in my opinion

[civic jolt]

Can you unlock hidden aspects with Mel maxed instead of another?

[heavy glen]

stay by the door, it destroys the bullets

[fresh kelp]

Is there a railgun build in this game?

[mental stone]

has to be aspect other than mel

[covert badge]

mel/mom skull
more railgun vibe if having fetching array hammer (shell auto-collect)

or hel with valkyrie mode on

[fresh kelp]

Okay I got it

[feral dome]

What does mark at the bottom right of victory screen mean?

[thin laurel]

you know the shade in the taverna who upgrades your rank as you spend resources? it's that, just a cosmetic resource dump
(if you haven't unlocked that, still, it doesn't mean anything it just represents how many times you've spent kudos + boss drops for a late game aesthetic resource dump)

[feral dome]

Should I give him resources?

[thin laurel]

only ones you don't need...? it exists to give you a goal for late game when everything else is bought out, it doesn't rly do anything but you'll reach a point where very decoration, song, incantation, and upgrade is done

[feral dome]

Because I already spend 100k of kudos

[thin laurel]

rn I don't really have anything else to spend kudos or boss drops on at all, so I figure may as well
but you don't rly get anything for doing it other than a pretty badge + "number goes up" dopamine + bragging rights ig

[feral dome]

Ok, thank you for info

[keen tartan]

i have become strengthpilled

revives make me feel too comfortable

i have to fear death at every constant second, and without wayward son i feel the consequences of every dmg i take making me a better player

[cyan river]

Started playing Monday night and can someone please confirm that there’s a music player like Orpheus in the first game because I fully intend on blasting Sightless Shepherd purely for the sax solo

[graceful badger]

There is!

[cyan river]

YES

Also Moonstone Axe goated with the spin-to-win charge

[slim pike]

Also Dashing Heave

Save Hellsplitter for aspect of thanatos though

[ivory slate]

Dear everyone who called vow of rivals easy
You are a liar
Your mom raised a liar
your dad raised a liar
Your grandma raised a liar
And your dog is ashamed of you

[bleak scarab]

who tf called vow of rivals easy

[ivory slate]

a surprising number of people

[nova oar]

Some rivals fights are easy

[bleak scarab]

it's so much harder than hades 1 overall

[ivory slate]

Mods? Draw and quarter this user at once.

[nova oar]

Not all, and certainly not all of them in one run

[nova oar]

I'm just gonna go back to no hitting rival cerb

[keen tartan]

i already don't like polyphemus, and circe i don't even wanna know what their rivals fight is

[ivory slate]

tried a few 32 heat runs

[bleak scarab]

hades 1 is like Lernie but now he floats or someting
meanwhile here you get two boss fights crammed into a single arena

[ivory slate]

i cant do this. im not strong enough. i cant 😭

[nova oar]

Poly is considered to be the easiest rivals fight, you're gonna hate the others

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/vClBbRW

[ivory slate]

The sirens fight...

[nova oar]

See it's easy

[nova oar]

That's like the second hardest one imo

[ivory slate]

the song is so good so i just disabled all heat except for VOR

[bleak scarab]

it IS the second hardest one, right behind chronos himself

[ivory slate]

goth sirens... hades pls let me buy the wall scroll

[bleak scarab]

I lost 2 dds to the sirens on my last run, only to lose 0 dds to chronos

[fair patrol]

why are there so many clocks* in tartarus

[ivory slate]

wh?

[fair patrol]

my key is broken

[bleak scarab]

this is sending me

[nova oar]

Goes Chronos->Scylla->Typhon, the rest depend on how well my run is goinf

[ivory slate]

idk maybe the GOD OF TIME likes to decorate with TIME related things?
YKno what no.
That typo was on PURPOSE

[fair patrol]

in hades 1 there are no clocks

[nova oar]

I did a double take so hard my neck snapped

[ivory slate]

hades 1 has no chronos. This is bait.

[fair patrol]

it doesn't?

[nova oar]

Because chronos has taken over tartarus

[bleak scarab]

agreed, though i haven't run the surface nearly enough so idk how strong typhon truly is

[civic jolt]

|| Medea poison || is rough

[fair patrol]

oh I thought it only he took over houes of hades

[nova oar]

He's easier than chronos but still a hard fight

[bleak scarab]

He lacks a proper phase 3 so that already makes him easier

[fair patrol]

how to fight thpyon

[nova oar]

Sometimes i'll get smoked by rivals prom or rivals eris, and sometimes i'll be fine, same with hecate and cerb, but only at higher fear

[verbal rampart]

Who beat you?

[nova oar]

Final surface boss

[bleak scarab]

cerby can randomly pop off and start dealing mad damage with the backhand/the breath

or he can do nothing at all, it feels kinda random

[civic jolt]

At what heat should I add rivals

[ivory slate]

the cutest girls in the sea

[nova oar]

Mfw he runs halfway across the arena and sends 3 rows of fireballs at mach 5 with tracking

[civic jolt]

I just tried it at 10 heat and got melted by poison

[bleak scarab]

it depends on how hard you think those fights are

[nova oar]

2-3 up to 32f, 3 up to 50-52, 4 from 55+

[bleak scarab]

the fireballs are diabolical

[nova oar]

I can dodge everything else easy but the fireballs nearly always hit me at least once

[bleak scarab]

i think they're also the only such attack in the game that you can't outrun on base movespeed

you have to dodge

[nova oar]

You can't outrun them period lmao

Gotta pull some doctor who tardis wibbly wobbly timey wimey bull**it to get out alive

[bleak scarab]

i usually just get it, like here you go cerby you deserved it

I low-key think that cerberus is such a divisive fight because you either get evade evade evade right before it, or you don't

[nova oar]

For me it fully depends on what moves he pulls out and whether or not he will let me position myself right

[ivory slate]

Zag vs cerb would honestly feel like that one dark souls boss

[nova oar]

I mean with the double dash zag solos easy

[ivory slate]

emotionally i mean

[nova oar]

Right because you're gonna go share the tea with an infested Cerberus

[bleak scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/sif-drip-souls-gif-21442288

[ivory slate]

https://tenor.com/view/sif-drip-souls-gif-21442288

[nova oar]

https://tenor.com/view/sif-drip-souls-gif-21442288

[bleak scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-resisting-urge-mario-judah-discord-gif-23317319

do gifs work for you guys?

I can't see any of them

[ivory slate]

nope

[nova oar]

Nah embeds or images or videos or anything remotely fun don't work in this channel

[civic jolt]

Ok I give up on rivals for now this sucks

[nova oar]

How far did you get

[civic jolt]

Tried Polyphemus a bunch of times and got melted

[ivory slate]

Ok soooo

[nova oar]

Have you tried curing the poison with the wells

[ivory slate]

Apollo is dissapointing me with the special knife aspect....
Ares is good damage but i feel its not enough... what shall i do

[nova oar]

Use neither, go for a heph/aphro/pos/scorch build

[ivory slate]

hmmm
Perhaps a nervous wreck build?

[nova oar]

Possibly

You don't really need to aim for builds on morrigan

[ivory slate]

I love carnal pleasure sm

[civic jolt]

Yeah after the second time I found them

[ivory slate]

Zag would appreciate the sirens tbh

[swift flare]

hey, are there not a lot of successful high fear surface run?

[nova oar]

People have done a fair few 62f clears but alot less than uw

[swift flare]

there's a lot of people saying it's terrible. i wonder why

[nova oar]

The enemies suck lmao

[swift flare]

maybe regular enemies are too annoying?

[nova oar]

Plus it's just harder

[covert badge]

The Huntress > The messenger > The centaur > the artificer > strength for divinity?

I mean it works but like

I swear the huntress is the most overrated card

[halcyon finch]

I wanna replace huntress but it activates divinity so i keep it

[halcyon finch]

Olympus enemies are just the worst

[mystic rune]

this really isn't really a spoiler related to the story, but after you beat main story there is a new enemy type || the jester guys with the twin daggers|| that like stab forward repeatedly like 10 times, i find them to be the most annoying, but maybe it's cause im just getting used to them

[halcyon finch]

They can do a lot of dmg if they catch you at a bad time but the mechs and satyrs and harpies are much worse

[fair patrol]

I Am Gonna Claw is so good

[mystic rune]

one of the worst encounters i ever had was in the mourning fields and i got like 3 of those of those big yellow blobs WITH SHEILDS, and i pulled them as i triggered an encounter, aka they were trash on the map, seperate from encounter so i had to deal with them on top of the encounter, and all three of them started sucking me in at the same time so i couldn't dash out and other sheet was attacking me... bro i almost flung my controler across the room lol

[west plank]

How do I get closer to Charon? is it really spend more of his loyalty cards and get more nightmare or is there a specific requirement

[latent flower]

Give him nectar

And if he refuses it, check your book to see a hint on how to unlock next stage

[iron rapids]

Is there any sort of achievement or unique dialogue if you get to cronos boonless

[dark tide]

Just to confirm, the level boosts from the Jeweled Pom still keep up even after swapping it, right?

[covert badge]

yes

[latent flower]

No achievement, I'd assume there is a dialogue tho

[west plank]

yes

[ivory slate]

I BEAT THE GAME

[latent flower]

Congrats

[iron rapids]

Good job

[dark tide]

And what exactly charges the "Sprouted" feature on the Persephone skull?

[dark tide]

#h2-victory-boasting

[vague urchin]

Secondary Olympian damage
Splash, Blitz, Scorch.

[mystic rune]

Gratz! i beat main story yesterday too, no spoilers, but expect a lot more hades 2

[latent flower]

Aka things you can't test on skelly

[ivory slate]

bruh. thats your comment?

[latent flower]

I was confused by perse at first too

[vague urchin]

Graaaaats

[dark tide]

You...you were boasting about your victory? And I was letting you know there was a channel especially for that.

Is my autism causing a social faux pas?

[cursive bane]

I need a specific Selene boon for a duo, can i reroll it or change it somehow?
Or the hexes are fixed?

[mystic rune]

victory boasting is for like stats on victory screens on a cleared run lol

[fair patrol]

Sawed by a sawfish and crushed by Charybdis

[dark tide]

Do you mean the Boon-infused hexes?

[vague urchin]

These bond achievements for completing the story lines are sapping my strength, especially Nar/Echo. Took so many attempts to ||finally get him to move to the fields||

[limpid oar]

You can't reroll hexes

[fathom lake]

Hex Options are fixed
YOu can use any god boon for godsent

[fair patrol]

how to reroll

[fathom lake]

Die

[halcyon finch]

For most of the game i thought you couldn't gift nectar to echo cuz you have to do it after accepting her boon

[vague urchin]

Oh, its not even that, I've had both of them capped forever and had the prophecy and it still took like. 10 runs ||before he finally went out to the fields.||

[halcyon finch]

Is it affinity gated? Cuz echo isn't full, otherwise he just gives me generic dialogue i think

[fair patrol]

coral crown or claw

[vague urchin]

There are gates that you have to progress their story lines before you can bond them out

[stoic urchin]

DAAAAAMNED IF YOU OR YOU DON'T

[fair patrol]

huh?

[west plank]

It's lyrics to one of the songs

[rigid briar]

This game needs to add in dry protection for ||Raki|| this is absolutely ridiculous
I've literally completed the base story, done a few more runs, got the 1st Fear trophy, beaten ||Prometheus|| True boss and ||Cerberus|| true boss.
He is supposedly found in ||erebus fountain rooms which are only behind minor finds (havent totally confirmed) in erebus, which I have been spam taking||, but even with that if you have the arcana tarot "turns minor finds into major finds" you basically make this possibility impossible. I havent had an erebus fountain in like....25, 30 runs?

[split shuttle]

ion think artificer rerolls minor rewards doors it turns minor rewards into major rewards

[summer girder]

hi ! idk where to post that so i'll put it in discussion, does anyone knows if i can use a Melinoë image on my stream ? I took it as my legal name for like a year now and a friend of mine did a little doodle of a Melinoë emote and i dont know if i'm allowed to use it as like a sub badge/emote so i'd rather ask !

[stoic urchin]

wha

legal name????????????

[rigid briar]

55 nights havent spotted ||raki|| a single time, fix the game bro

[fair patrol]

can nemesis come into tartarus

[summer girder]

yes, i'm trans so i've changed my names :3

[rigid briar]

she doesnt ||go on the surface, her mirror for the surface is heracles||

[split shuttle]

||yeah she can go to tart u just have to wait a few more runs i think||

[stoic urchin]

Tartarus isn't the surface bro

[rigid briar]

oh yea

[stoic urchin]

why meli though as a name

[summer girder]

because i think it's amazing

[rigid briar]

idk why I got Styx confused with Tartarus

[split shuttle]

styx is still part of the underworld

[stoic urchin]

were you a fan of mythology before playing hades or

[rigid briar]

it isn't in this game @split shuttle

[summer girder]

yes !

[split shuttle]

uhuh yeah

[stoic urchin]

it is. it's the river in tartarus.

[rigid briar]

I understand what you mean, but it's on the overworld path.

[split shuttle]

i think u mean the river acheron right

styx is still underworld

[stoic urchin]

the only other place was in h1 in the temple of styx and also Persephone's garden

[rigid briar]

brother I'm not talking about literature I'm just talking about how the game functions. Styx is the first part of the Overworld path

[stoic urchin]

No?

[split shuttle]

its ephyra

[stoic urchin]

that's ephyra

[rigid briar]

what was it in Hades 1??

[split shuttle]

styx was the red flowing river that takes the dead to the underworld i think

[stoic urchin]

present in tartarus and in the temple of styx

[split shuttle]

yeah

[rigid briar]

It's confusing they name it a different place but like replaced Hades 1 Styx with Ephyra and gave it the same design my b

[stoic urchin]

but there is no temple of styx in hades 2 so im weirded out

[rigid briar]

yeah ephyra will never stick with me lmao

[stoic urchin]

its neither the same place nor does it look the same bra

[split shuttle]

ephyra is a city

[rigid briar]

Right it doesn't have paths you can choose off a central hub

[stoic urchin]

ephyra was a city, temple of styx is well

a temple

[split shuttle]

it looks very very very different tho

[rigid briar]

it's not made of stone and has the exact same layout as Hades 1 guys

[fathom lake]

nuh uh

[stoic urchin]

plus no satyrs in ephyra

[rigid briar]

you're right they're only 2 floors above that lmao

Styx looks very very much like Ephyra- it's the only place in Hades 2 with that level design, it was the only places in Hades 1 with that layout design, both are in similar locations relative to the path to the overworld, and it's very obvious that the Ephyra of this game was meant to play exactly like Styx in Hades 1, it's not a surprise that I think this

[split shuttle]

plus ephyra has the same room designs for each chamber no matter what, ion think temple of styx in hades 1 had that i think

[rigid briar]

show me a zone in Hades 1 that's more like Ephyra then lmao

[split shuttle]

i mean yeah design wise theyre basically the same but everything else is different

[rigid briar]

It's like even when you choose the best possible comparison but it's somehow wrong because some things are different lmao

[split shuttle]

except for the part where u have to do exactly six chambers, for temple of styx hades 1 u can literally do all paths if u wanted to plus u could stop early if u get two sack styx

plus inside those chambers theres a chance that there is another door/s inside that lead u to a minor reward

[rigid briar]

wow an optional path you can take for an extra reward
sounds like styx just reworked to be slightly different doesn't it

These games are way way way more alike than they are different, any differences you find between them are likely incredibly small. Hades 2 is a true successor to the original

[fair patrol]

is 222 health good

[stoic urchin]

ephyra is way more branching

[hollow lily]

sorting by game type on next fest gives me gems like these
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1252944071459209280/1428371237301915720/image.png?ex=68f241e0&is=68f0f060&hm=29e90a645855e75cc67676e3aeb1a666e09b48d1c73feefbe3aaa22f189a59cb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1022&height=389

[stoic urchin]

you can beat it with that but i usually go near 300 in most runs

[limpid oar]

Uhhh I disagree, Mel plays entirely different than Zagreus

[stoic urchin]

this is true

[split shuttle]

u can go up to the surface now? four different regions and bosses?

[fathom lake]

Yes.

[stoic urchin]

zagreus is way faster and less destructive

[fathom lake]

Zag and Mel playstyles are totally opposite wdym

[split shuttle]

plus new mechanics like magick and ||fates whim||?

[rigid briar]

yes the big difference is: more content guys
thats so different!

[stoic urchin]

mel is slightly slower but way more destructive

[fair patrol]

NOOO I DIED TO CHRONOS SO CLOSE

[limpid oar]

H2 low-key has more in common with Transistor than h1

[rigid briar]

finally I found ||Raki|| my god

[stoic urchin]

considering you didn't have raki until now i think its better if you play the game more

[devout cairn]

i found raki 90 hours in

[stoic urchin]

zag and mel play SO differently

[split shuttle]

especially their movement

[teal zephyr]

Raki is easy to miss tbh

[rigid briar]

yea they need to add dry protection for it

[rigid briar]

no no, fountains simply didnt show up- it's not my fault literally at all lmao

[stoic urchin]

the biggest attack zag had i think was hades aspect spinny attack

which is more or less like an apollo attack revaal omega attack xdddd

[jaunty night]

i WISH arachne could move in at the crossroads and give mel cosmetics...

would be so cool (also possible now that mel is an actual 3d model, unlike zag)

[rigid briar]

not getting Raki locks you out of ||being able to upgrade companions|| the fact that I'm waiting for a luck-based metric to kick in well past the 1st credits and my first fear trophy is actually ridiculous

so I'm having all my runs nerfed because I cant ||upgrade|| the companions I already have

[jaunty night]

sounds like a kill issue tbh

[rigid briar]

yea like lmao

[silent current]

Hey all, is there a renewable way to get ||star dust||? I only know of getting it from the ||pitch black stone trials|| and ||the broker for 1500 shadow|| but the book mentions a third way? If it's story related I don't want to know, but if it's not story related I'd like to hear it since I need so much for the cauldron

[mental stone]

high fear runs

[simple sierra]

potential hot tame but lmk if you agree: one of the most fun things to do blindly is also the thing you're most motivated to spoil: build-crafting

build blindly and be wowed with power when it all comes together

[bleak scarab]

it'll sometimes be offered to you if you're running 12-16 fear

[silent current]

Ah, awesome - do you know what fear? I just did my first 8 fear run so just curious

[split shuttle]

||thats literally just fates whim lmao||

[silent current]

Ah awesome - 12-16 fear seems scary but I'll keep working towards it, thanks

[vague urchin]

12-16 is pretty easy

[bleak scarab]

though sometimes you'll be getting ||scooby snacks or nightmare instead ||

[jaunty night]

that's what the ||fates whim based|| keepsakes incentivize, so nice that sgg found a way to give you the option for more random runs

[simple sierra]

not mechanically lol, meant as the player

[bleak scarab]

so it's not guaranteed

[simple sierra]

use god keepsakes all you want

[silent current]

I just did my first 8 fear run so still learning everything and figuring out how it all works and whatnot

[simple sierra]

but discover the combos that work through experimentation vs google

[jaunty night]

oh thats what you mean

[split shuttle]

yeah having to build a run out of what the game gives u is so fun compared to forcing a specific build

[vague urchin]

The game does a decent job easing you up if you keep working on your testaments.

[stoic urchin]

raki + meli torches is quite fun

[jaunty night]

very valid, though it definitely depends on the person, i like going in blind but after i get some experience with a game i do love to scour wikis

[bleak scarab]

i love fate's whim but i hate getting the cast boon

[mental stone]

just to mention, there is also 4th method but it is indeed story related so not going to say anything about it

[simple sierra]

100% im the same

the online search is part of the game for me lol

[split shuttle]

||fates whim|| got me my first 62 fear clear so its the goat for me im never switching back

[jaunty night]

the first 10-20 hours i do like to find stuff myself

[simple sierra]

but I like to know enough to know if I agree/disagree with what I'm seeing

[silent current]

Yeah - I'm pretty good with time and so far can almost consistently do each region is almost 5 minutes, so the 7 minute time is a no brainier, and I've just unlocked rivals 2, though it's still a little scary for now, but I'm working on it 😛

[jaunty night]

5 minutes is too scary for me

[simple sierra]

drake meme saying no to learning rivals and instead continuing to up other vows for 32 fear

[jaunty night]

but 7 is totally doable, especially since you keep any surplus time from previous regions

[vague urchin]

5m just has you having to play super aggressive is all.

[split shuttle]

max timer is basically free for me except if i have little to no skips

[bleak scarab]

5 minutes is a big bottleneck if your build isn't good enough, or it could be completely negligible if your build is insane

on average it isn't too big of an issue

[silent current]

How scary is missing the time? Like there have been a few times when I got to the end of a region with like 5 seconds over the 5 minute timer, but since I've got the 7 minute on it doesn't hurt, but what's the penalty for being past the limit?

[split shuttle]

like seriously, olympus high fear with little to no skips is actually insane

[rigid briar]

it's much different in Hades 2
the Chaos trials force pre-builts on you that are all incredibly good. I really don't think that using the internet is nearly as much a pressure in this game. Besides there's a theory that having a natural aptitude for knowing good synergies, or being good with math such that you can figure it out yourself? That's part of the game

[silent current]

Is it like instant death, or just a lot of damage over time?

[bleak scarab]

being past the limit damages you every second until you die

or clear the region, obviously

[silent current]

Sweet, thanks, I'll try not to get to that point

[rigid briar]

axe is so hard to do 5 minutes without some luck

it's just so slow naturally

[split shuttle]

my strat for axe except charon and mel axe is to reset for psychic whirlwind

[mental stone]

I feel like I only struggle with the 5minutes in first regions, rest of the regions I would be fine with even if the timer didn't stack.

[rigid briar]

you could do like Aphorodite keepsake > reroll for att
But that doesn't become as much of an option at higher fears*

I keep calling them heats lol
I still like Heat

[bleak scarab]

the first region is the longest one, so that makes sense

[split shuttle]

early game it doesnt really need it but when u get to the later regions it really needs it

[bleak scarab]

same as in h1

[rigid briar]

just without a boon for attack or a good hammer for axe it's pretty bad in zone 1

[mental stone]

and then you get nemesis + artemis encounters back to back wasting more time

[rigid briar]

I mean I thank my lucky stars every time artemis shows

[split shuttle]

nem and arty actually stop the timer so thats like actually good tho

[mental stone]

they do?

[rigid briar]

yea after they appear

[vague urchin]

Yea. Their events pause timers

[rigid briar]

they still elongate the encounter afaik

[rigid briar]

the whole thing?

[split shuttle]

same with heracles and icky

[rigid briar]

what about chronos

[vague urchin]

From my experience artemis rooms pause the timer the moment you enter. Its one of the ways you know shes going to trigger.

[split shuttle]

nope

[rigid briar]

yea chronos events are literal hell

can you get ||athena in underworld with gorgon's eye||

[split shuttle]

whenever i get teleported to asphodel i just exit the circle until the percent reaches zero is my strat

[latent flower]

I think any friends room stops time

[vague urchin]

Its how I fished for her for ||thr phrase for the hidden daggers||

[split shuttle]

yes but if u have dds she wont appear

[vague urchin]

Yes.

[rigid briar]

yea but who plays with those? Strength all the way

[split shuttle]

i play dds

[rigid briar]

40% damage reduction on my entire run rather than only when I lose my DDs?
Spending way more on food that way

[pallid cradle]

High fear I play DDs

[split shuttle]

dds are broken on high fear

[rigid briar]

and more damage % means you're clearing encounters faster

Idk I think Strength on an Emperor Build is kinda busted

[split shuttle]

wdym emperor

[rigid briar]

the Hades arcana one, the one that gens more arcana

[split shuttle]

just call it judgment

[rigid briar]

oh yea my b
but you need to lean on that in higher fears

[mental stone]

strength + persistence + judgement + fates whim. personal favourite to run when I'm not doing over 20 fear

[simple sierra]

I had a godly medea run last night where during the olympus athena event where you get a bonus wave that she wipes for you, I still wiped the wave first

[split shuttle]

id say if u are struggling use dds, if u are a god at not getting hit use strength

[simple sierra]

honestly that would be a fun hidden achieve

prevent athena from taking any kills on olympus during divine intervention

[rigid briar]

Strength is good even if you get hit, it's 40% damage reduction on everything, that stacks

you stack that with the flat damage reduction from boons? You're cooking, DDs are not the sauce

[split shuttle]

i still take dds just for the safety alone tho

[rigid briar]

proc DDs with judgement or Crystal Figurine, not worth to build around imo

[stoic urchin]

is strength still additive instead of multiplicative

[split shuttle]

yeah but thats just like, ur opinion man

[vague urchin]

DDs are the way if you run scars.

[mental stone]

she lands, you talk to her and she goes "how dare you prevent me from aiding you, no boons for you" and then she leaps off.
fits her character perfectly

[simple sierra]

"you dare show up ME? You're lucky I don't turn you into a spider like Arachne"

[stoic urchin]

wasn't stubborn defiance the only way to heal with lasting consequences in h1

I've never taken the Athena stubborn defiance boon in h2

[mental stone]

her biggest mistake, now I can wield all the sister knives aspects at once!

[fair patrol]

how to the surface

I keep die at Eris or Mountain

[stoic urchin]

progress through game it'll come up naturally

[dull whale]

I tried the VoR ||prometheus|| fight last night
Holy God going into it blind and not expecting anything. That was so sweaty lmao
Fun but my lord
Trying to dodge the ||fire lanes and remember where they are while Heracles guns you down||
Fun but wow
I almost won but got hit at the very end rip

[mystic rune]

honestly the surface is generally harder than underground, just keep practicing, level up ur arcana cards, your grasp, do you're incantations as those will give you more shops and fountains, etc etc.

[mystic rune]

also, Eris is pretty easy to Cheese once you relize you can attack her through the 2 pillars on the Map, so sit behind one, Hold a full cast, ( assuming u have cast Dmg) the Axe is able to swing through it especially if u got appollo Boon on attack, but many specials can peirce right through it. etc etc

[rigid briar]

DDs are the opportunity cost of Strength, you can take Strength instead of taking DDs and by doing so you make clearing all other objectives based on Fear, way easier
Enemies have a modifier that makes them tankier? You get through it faster with more damage
You have a 5 minute deadline? more D means you clear encounters faster
You need to heal? The blunted healing from your fear modifier goes farther with your 40% damage reduction than it would with DD
DD is also health you can basically permanently lose AND it takes away choices in your shops and boons.
Wanted a boon with a good modifier? That selection is taken away by "replenish 1 DD" or a shop option is now taken by a DD replenishment, and that shop? You have a harder time affording it because you've been spending more on healing for your run, because you take more damage of course
have a run that's building around haphaestus or the "heavy damage reduction", well because your damage is already cut almost in half, you can add another 2 or 10 right on top of that, Combine that with passive healing effects and dodge chances and you're basically immortal

[iron sonnet]

yeah surface just takes practice
you will get better and as you upgrade stuff runs will get easier
for Eris just stay behind her as much as possible

a lot of her attacks she either dashes in a straight line or rotates very slowly
stay mobile and keep behind and you can dodge a lot of her attacks

[rigid briar]

and by clearing encounters faster you take less damage in total just full stop- less time in encounters means less opportunities to get hit
Strength is just busted

[stoic urchin]

would be more valid if strength was multiplicative instead of additive

[rigid briar]

It doesn't matter if it's multiplicative, it still stacks

In fact, the fact that it's additive, makes it WAY bette with strength than with DDs

[stoic urchin]

strength and death are equal in helpfulness

it just depends in your playstyle

[rigid briar]

that's absolutely cap

[stoic urchin]

i mean you can play however u want kek

[rigid briar]

that's assuming the game is perfectly balanced which we all know is not true full stop

[stoic urchin]

death is more survivability, strength is more offensive

it depends on your play style

[rigid briar]

reread

[fair patrol]

is weak a curse?

[stoic urchin]

yes

[pallid cradle]

I'd say it depends more on what you're doing which one is better. I think strength is better at lower fear and death is far superior at higher fear

[stoic urchin]

no, I have played many runs with each of them since early access

i know how they each play

[rigid briar]

I think if you're taking a lot of damage in a run Strength is BETTER than DD because you're spending way less on healing with strength than DDs, all you have to do is stay afloat

[rigid briar]

this is just such cap
Yall are literaly saying "its a playstyle thing" and then telling me how to play at higher fears lmao

[split shuttle]

unless if u have max scars on

in which case, dds are king

[rigid briar]

Scars doesnt undo anything I just said

[split shuttle]

huh?

[stoic urchin]

why r u getting argumentative with all this 💔

[rigid briar]

"you're spending way less on healing with strength" is fundamentally true regardless if you're max scars

[stoic urchin]

dds are a way of healing with max scars

[fair patrol]

if an enemy is weaked and then I hit with hitch then does orig activate

[split shuttle]

what are u saying have u even tried max scars with strength

[pallid cradle]

If you're asking how to play higher fear you clearly want advice on how to play higher fear... Wtf do you mean it's cap. Go watch any 62 fear clear on YouTube. They're probably running DDs.

[rigid briar]

because you're telling me that Strength is not good on high fears and then when I say "actually it is" you go "actually anyone can play how they want" then you right back to telling me it's not good at high fears

[hazy glacier]

Man this aspect of subay or tf it is is op i just beat rivals chronos on my first attempt at him w that

[split shuttle]

its pretty damn rough unless ur a no hit god or if u equip ghost onion cuz onion bypasses scars

[bleak scarab]

max scars with strengh is something i've never personally seen or tried, it just sounds like making your run harder than it needs to be

[stoic urchin]

yee its good when u can focus in your movement

[stoic urchin]

ghost onion bypasses scars? dang hidden strength

[split shuttle]

yeah, its quite broken especially on high fear since u have absolutely no healing at all

[bleak scarab]

ghost onion, nergal and chaos boons i'm pretty sure

[stoic urchin]

NERGAL??? hooo

nergal with strength would go hard af then

[pallid cradle]

I used to do it for 32 Fear speedruns and a couple 40 Fears. Anytime I'm over 40 tho I'm turning on DDs

[split shuttle]

yeah, nergal with psychic whirlwind and iron core and it makes max scars useless lmao

just dont completely tank hits

i fumbled a 58 fear nergal underworld cuz of that, redeemed myself a few hours later tho

[pallid cradle]

I still hold Nergal is S tier with whirlwind. If you don't have it tho it's C tier on the best of days.

[mental stone]

I haven't tried high fear run with nergal but it has the coolest moveset in the game, specially the special

[split shuttle]

exactly

like literally my entire strat for my 58 fear nergal was reset for psychic whirlwind first room

[jaunty night]

DDs with strength or without?

[pallid cradle]

Without. There's no reason to run both.

[bleak scarab]

dd with strength both isn't worth it

you just spend 4 grasp to get nothing most of the time

[jaunty night]

yeah thought so

[pallid cradle]

That's 8 arcana slots for anti-synergy

[split shuttle]

i think im one of the minority here that runs both on specific occasions

[fair patrol]

what does charm do?

[vague urchin]

Temporarily makes an enemy fight for you.

[fair patrol]

oh

[split shuttle]

i only equip strength if i am running ||fates whim|| and if i wanna activate queen

[fair patrol]

so it's kinda like turning an enemy into another thing but better

[jolly hound]

wait if I have fates whim and judgment, will judgment cooperate and not select reroll arcana’s or did I just get lucky

[pallid cradle]

I can see the appeal of those keepsakes but that adds way too much randomness for my enjoyment.

[jolly hound]

That’s what I thought too, but every boon being level 4 mitigates it

[split shuttle]

its coded in the game to never give u rerolls even if u have judgment on or any arcana activating things

[vague urchin]

I basically only play FW, reroll corner doesn't get touched.

[split shuttle]

same for me unless im playing for speedruns

rerolls are better for fishing out specific boons, notably light smite for heinous affront medea

[pallid cradle]

I'll admit it probably makes for some more unique arcana setups but I don't enjoy playing with no rerolls. Especially in Hades 2 where the first boon pool has entirely too much in it as opposed to Hades 1 where it was just attack, special, cast, or dash.

[vague urchin]

Right right. I just like seeing where the run takes me

[bleak scarab]

I use fw for my every run as well, artificer more than makes up for not having any rerolls when combined with +4 boon lvls

[fair patrol]

I beat Eris

[iron sonnet]

HECK YEAH!!

[fair patrol]

Mount Olympus now

[split shuttle]

hopefully olympus doesnt screw u over

[iron sonnet]

you got this man cook up

[vague urchin]

Its why I can get away with running the unseen, I know this discords opinion on it, but i also like omega heavy weapons like Eos.

So it let's me not have to run down a gain as fast

[split shuttle]

eos doesnt really need much magick tbh, all u need is a daybreaker and spam specials, thats 15 magick

[mystic rune]

the next boss, no spoilers.... is in a whole new league if you even make it to him.

[vague urchin]

I do daybreaker into omega special since db gets its own orbitals, then spam special

[pallid cradle]

Is this still the playstyle? I thought you could only have 1 special up at a time now.

[stoic urchin]

i still remember early access auto watchers...

[vague urchin]

Also triggers the omega cycle crit arcana

[split shuttle]

yeah, night is king with eos

[polar abyss]

IMO, Unseen is a bell curve. It’s sometimes used at the very start, and sometimes used at the very end

Just ignore 65/67

[split shuttle]

i dont know but sgg still dont have hidden helix on eos yet

[polar abyss]

I have actually used Unseen arcana on Eos 62 Surface, and it worked very well. I think I also used it on Anubis 62 Surface

[pallid cradle]

The ones that were shooting you before you even got control of Mel?

[simple sierra]

I was surprised by the dps of the eos chaos trial

[stoic urchin]

the tanks yea

[split shuttle]

back then i thought eos was absolutely dogwater compared to the other aspects, now i see the light

[pallid cradle]

I remember having Menace on and the ones that spawn in Thessaly spawn close enough to the door that they'd shoot you before the game gave you control of Mel in a room. Most hilarious damage I've ever taken.

[bleak scarab]

eos is slept on

[vague urchin]

I could be wrong but i think they mean you throw out daybreaker and just tap special because it also makes daybreaker spin.

So my pattern for example is
Daybreaker > special omega > yyyyyyyyyyyy

[fair patrol]

WHAT HAPPENED TO CHARON

[polar abyss]

Thats the one. If you want to be fancy with Night, you can do OCast -> OAttack -> OSpecial -> Special, then repeat the pattern without OCast

[pallid cradle]

That last part is just my internal monologue when playing Eos

[vague urchin]

I do that with a good special as well.

[split shuttle]

id say u fire omega specials first then daybreaker to activate night crit for the daybreaker

[polar abyss]

I did hear that also, but iirc, Daybreaker doesn’t copy the OSpecials spawned prior, right?

[vague urchin]

Correct.

[split shuttle]

yep, just activate omega specials again, plus it gives u night crit for the omega specials also

[pallid cradle]

Thessaly is as far as he goes.

[fair patrol]

I made it.

[devout cairn]

he died

[split shuttle]

ur gonna beat proms ass so hard trust

[fair patrol]

The Guardian of Olympus

[pallid cradle]

Texting and sailing strikes again

[fair patrol]

who tf is this guy

feather man???

[pallid cradle]

Your worst nightmare.

[vague urchin]

Eos are easily my most used torches, and probably my most used weapon if I just want fast clears. It just works with so many boon setups its silly.

[fair patrol]

no groal is worse

[polar abyss]

Titan of Foresight. The guy who got chained to a stone for a long time and had his liver constantly eaten.

[fair patrol]

pale king??#

[pallid cradle]

He'll humble you very quickly.

[split shuttle]

courtesy of zeus

[fair patrol]

oh I get why you said that...
PATH OF PAIN

[pallid cradle]

He's the hardest boss in the game and it's not close.

[stoic urchin]

nearly any tragedy in greek mythology:

[stoic urchin]

i find (normal) typhon and chronos harder somewhat

[polar abyss]

Yeah. Tbh, I personally feel like it’s the torch I can best use (tempted to say most powerful torch imo, but that feels like blasphemy). I’ve cleared 62 with Eos and Supay, but… Supay is worse.

[split shuttle]

true, zeus is just that type of dude

[fair patrol]

wth why d id he just jump on my screen

[bleak scarab]

eos is my comfort weapon

[split shuttle]

oh ion think hes prepared

[pallid cradle]

Supay is SGG's most hated child anyway. 2 reworks in a week and a 1.0 nerf for good measure.

[fair patrol]

I got him down to half health rn

[bleak scarab]

this person is texting DURING the fight?

[pallid cradle]

Yes

[polar abyss]

Not 2 reworks imo. Supay has been nerfed in some way in every single main balance patch…

[stoic urchin]

he's just based like that

[split shuttle]

i hope he doesnt text while driving

[pallid cradle]

Probably does

[stoic urchin]

supay is still good today though at least

[fair patrol]

I DIED TO HIS FIRE

[devout cairn]

that's how most people die to him

[stoic urchin]

KEK got hit with the memory game

[split shuttle]

let me guess, memory game?

[fair patrol]

I was on the final dodge

but I just ran into the attack

at least now I know what is going to happen

[stoic urchin]

i love Prometheus's memory game i love it quite a lot

[vague urchin]

It definitely feels like the safest torch to me for sure and my go to if I wanna just rip through a run. I normally follow grave thirst, but there are those times where you just wanna blast.

[stoic urchin]

did they buff eos? not many patches ago i saw eos as the most hated torches

[split shuttle]

wait until u get to the final region and boss gang 🫡

[mystic rune]

ever see the movie the the matrix.... no one makes their 1st jump lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cL7HVU-uU4

[jolly hound]

yeah what am I supposed to do with this thing

[bleak scarab]

It's a waste of time, but ngl i got hyped the first time he just jumped into the air

[fair patrol]

?

[vague urchin]

Ill be honest. Couldn't tell you. I got the game on initial launch, but 110 of my 120 hours has been since 1.0. :<

[hearty idol]

i just realized scorn doesn't trigger curse for Origination why

[pallid cradle]

You can still win with Supay but it didn't need half the damn nerfs it got.

[split shuttle]

its gonna be a major difficulty spike compared to all the other bosses in the game

[shrewd geyser]

Hades is a Cthonic god not Olympian

[stoic urchin]

i still love scorn!!!

[shrewd geyser]

Scorn is still very nice

[hearty idol]

ooh i thought it was all curse since its from Chaos but only Olympians

[polar abyss]

Eos was buffed in Patch 11 of EA (the final EA Patch), where “Specials no longer cancel other specials”

I assume that means it would be easier to spam them on the Daybreaker, and maybe it meant original Eos could cancel OSpecial duplication with Special?

[shrewd geyser]

It’s an understandable thought. I was also hoping Hades would work with it but the text for card does state “damage to foes with at least 2 curses from different Olympians.”

[pallid cradle]

It makes sense I didn't notice that. I haven't played Eos in like 2-3 patches.

[vague urchin]

Yea, eos is get a db out, get omega specials out. Then become the beyblade you wanna see in the world and SPIN

[polar abyss]

The other thing that happened, is Eos was realized to actually be good with on hit stuff

So… you could do Hestia, Poseidon, or Zeus Special now, alongside any % Attack, and watch stuff melt

[pallid cradle]

I feel like if I wanna beyblade I'd just Than Axe.

[vague urchin]

Db+blitz+boon where omegas pop blitz gives me actual life.

[shrewd geyser]

Poseidon eos is fun af

[polar abyss]

Another thing possible is Static Shock Eos

[shrewd geyser]

Hera attack with pos spec

[polar abyss]

All of those Specials can each trigger a jolt of Static Shock

[pallid cradle]

Static shock is the boon that can carry any mediocre aspect imo.

[shrewd geyser]

Static shock is just goated, much like chain lighting in the first game

[split shuttle]

even selene coat?

[pallid cradle]

When in doubt just fill the screen with lightning bolts.

[shrewd geyser]

Static shock can carry any base coat

[pallid cradle]

I mean tbh it's just Zeus in general can carry. Could in Hades 1 too.

[vague urchin]

Im on an island by myself I guess because i like Selene Coat.

[split shuttle]

selene coat sucks but if u get skyfall out its amazing

[shrewd geyser]

I used to like selene coat, idk what they changed on it

[split shuttle]

i just feel like they shouldve reduced the hex cost of skyfall tbh

[shrewd geyser]

All of my post 1.0 runs with it felt very… mediocre?

[split shuttle]

four omega specials to activate it is rough

[shrewd geyser]

Maybe it’s cause I didn’t get the area godsend, but yeah it feels like it takes too much mana spend for poop damage

[split shuttle]

two if ur running fully charged omega attacks but who does that

[shrewd geyser]

When instead I could get moon beam, which at base, does 800 damage from a further range and costs 30 mana

[polar abyss]

They removed some node that was a big deal in one of the EA patches as a bug fix I think?

[shrewd geyser]

I feel like I rarely get increased damage on successive hits and targeting multiple enemies so it just feels like ass

[split shuttle]

like my main strat for selene coat is to go for fourth degree controlled burn for that sweet sweet +10 magick use on the omega special and ares godsent as well

[pallid cradle]

I'm just a cost hater in general. I dislike 4/4 coats.

[brisk harness]

i dont dislike moon beam but honestly it needs a lot of work put into it for it to be a major damage contributor

[vague urchin]

I see people Herald moonbeam and that always feels so awkward to use for me. I get its crazy good after some investments, but its never just, not felt clunky compared to wolf or the rez to me.

[shrewd geyser]

To me moonbeam is extremely op as soon as you get an armor node

[brisk harness]

either the continue casting when you dash/move node or all the dps nodes + apollo

[shrewd geyser]

It’s basically a “tank any hit and deal a ton of damage” button