h2-discussion

[meager walrus]

Can also see it via actual chaos, but the keepsake gives you an extra chance

[winged geyser]

what do you mean? cause the keepsake doesn't offer that one and as far as I know the keepsake doesn't guarantee a chaos appearance

[meager walrus]

The keepsake gives you a random chaos boon when equipped

It can give you chant if you have a duo already when equipping it

[little mason]

Fake news

[meager walrus]

If it gives you chant that counts as fulfilling the fated list

The same thing applies to experimental hammer with the hammer fated list stuff

You can always do it for an extra chance at fishing for what you need

[round token]

IM NEVER TAKING WORRY FREE AGAIN

i didn't read properly and thought i would just get a random amount of hp from within its range. not littarly lose the ability to see how much hp i have

[neon isle]

LMAO

[meager walrus]

Don't worry about it

[devout cairn]

tells you a lot about the person

[jaunty basin]

there is no reason to be upset

[round token]

wait hexes can crit?

[devout cairn]

yes

[dire estuary]

yep, theres even an artemis boon for it

[round token]

yeah but can they crit without the artemis boon

[tidal cliff]

How on earth are you meant to fight the boar mini boss with like 3 boons at best while it has 3 shadows all doing explosions around it😭 it has near the same health pool as the boss itself

[dire estuary]

they can with universal stuff like raki iirc

[dire estuary]

stock up and kite i guess

[unreal sail]

why does it matter how much hp you have? unless you have the hex heal it doesn't matter

[devout cairn]

kill the pylon and dont get behind the boar

[crude dragon]

You do get that as well

[tidal cliff]

The pylon did near nothing since it has 3 shadows that absorb all the damage

[devout cairn]

wasnt it 2 shadows

[round token]

i had the on hit healing perk
so its nice to be able to see when you have to focus on using it

[tidal cliff]

No, it’s 3

[devout cairn]

ic

[slim pike]

they're pretty weak shadows

but like, get gud, you turned up the heat, learn to roll with it

or just ignore the boar completely and enjoy not suffering having the fear turned up

[tidal cliff]

the issue is there’s 4 boars all doing giant shockwaves while I’m trying to deal damage to the main one who has a giant health pool while I have no dps

[slim pike]

did you go fight it without getting other boons first?

[tidal cliff]

I got 3 boons first, i was trying to get a legendary

[slim pike]

alas

[round token]

why are you fighting the boar with all that bro 😭
typhon is easier to beat then the boar in that state

[fair patrol]

So mote it be.

[merry whale]

surface bosses r so unpolished it's stupid

satyr champion sucks ass, boar sucks ass, thessaly gun guy sucks ass, charybdis sucks ass, talos is ok actually, sky dragon sucks ass

[tidal cliff]

they’re just kinda dps checks

[remote locust]

Sky Dragon gets hard countered by using Cast remotely in its vicinity

[merry whale]

two ez clear summit bosses and two insanely unfair summit bosses

[teal zephyr]

Boar is insane with the shadow vow

[cloud saddle]

Yeah
The spawn of typhon mini boss is ong harder than typhon itself

[remote locust]

It's a good thing you're never forced to fight Boar tbf

[merry whale]

i mean yea they're straightforward to beat they're just not fun to fight and doesn't feel like it's based on skill

[remote locust]

It is

[merry whale]

ig it can't be worse than zag lol

[teal zephyr]

Spawn is also a pain with the shadow vow, otherwise pretty ez

I'm just praying for the twins nowadays

[merry whale]

o yea shadow vows are so lazy in surface

[small echo]

I mostly hate the charybdis half health attack where he shoots a ton of orbs

[cloud saddle]

Yeah

[teal zephyr]

Door.

[small echo]

Wdym door

[devout cairn]

Door

[merry whale]

there's a cheese for it but it's precise so i just ignore it

[cloud saddle]

Charbydis is fun in the Scylla fight tho tbh

[merry whale]

masochism

[teal zephyr]

You need to be very fast, if you're at the other end of the arena you can't cheese it pretty much

[dreamy forum]

dude the first time i saw one of those ||Erebus contracts to go fight Zagreus|| i was doing a run with no arcana for an achievement.

[cloud saddle]

We play roguelikes we’re ALL masochists

[dreamy forum]

i wanna fight ||zagreus|| but not like this

[teal zephyr]

He might as well be impossible on melee

[small echo]

First time I got him was with an op build in summit so today when I got him again but in Erebus I was like surely he scales based on area, he infact does not

[merry whale]

tru, still gotta get that 67 clear

[merry whale]

ye nah he just sucks to fight LOL

[remote locust]

||Zagreus|| is a skill-based fight, it's just that he can really rock your socks off if you make a mistake

It's a balanced risk-reward proposition, because ||the earlier you can beat him in a run, the more reward you get since you visit more shops with free goodies||

[merry whale]

wtf

we must be playing a diff game cuz every single rivals fight is more fair and fun than his ass

and i say this as a 62f/65f player lol

charon in h1 was hard as balls but he was still fun to fight

this game's variant is dogwater

[brazen merlin]

Yeah, Zag fight's my least favorite. If I don't have a really specific build going I dont' touch him

I don't think it really makes sense at all

[remote locust]

I really enjoy his fight tbh, even though I have like a 50/50 winrate against him. You gotta pick your openings carefully if you need to get close to deal damage

[merry whale]

ye u basically need super strong builds which is prob why he's only more viable to fight on surface

[brazen merlin]

For me it's not even about strength so much as it is the specific build

Maybe I just need to watch some videos. I don't fight him often enough to have his telegraphing memorized

[glad geode]

i find it funny whenever prometheus uses that one flame geyser attack that goes out in front of him and stares at it for a few seconds afterwards because it always reminds me of this gif

https://tenor.com/view/cats-gif-27502074

[merry whale]

his telegraphs are kinda free once u learn it, it's just not fun to fight still

[glad geode]

whoops guess i cant embed, its the gif of the cats sitting around a campfire

[winged geyser]

it can give you an epic boon from chaos and chant counts as infusion(?). Also... I just got it... the room before chronos so it didn't count

[brazen merlin]

The other thing for me is that I tend to encounter him when I still have like 35 max hp and don't necessarily even have mana recovery yet. It's just very high risk

[still dagger]

do some boons exclude others? I know the core abilities (attack, special, cast, dash and gain) do, but any others? for example does hestia's projectile cast exclude zeus' projectile cast?

[jaunty basin]

the persistence arcana in question

[neon isle]

talos has gotten a lot more fun with 1.0

he used to have the frisbees that would change direction with 0 telegraph for no reason so youd just have to stay far away

[jaunty basin]

yes the cast method boons exclude each other. besides that don't think any do

[jaunty basin]

they can still do this

[neon isle]

oh...

[brazen merlin]

I don't know if his projectiles were previously slowed by effects like demeter's storm, but they definitely are now, it made me laugh when I saw it

[fair patrol]

just got a heroic dash from hepastustus

[jaunty basin]

that is a thing yeah, and the hard target enfeeblement combo is great too

[neon isle]

hard target makes talos and scylla so much more manageable

[jaunty basin]

yeah now combine it with enfeeblement of cowards from medea

[neon isle]

i think its also just that talos's vow of shadow is annoying. like the automatons arent threatening but it can chip you down

[jaunty basin]

unless you have night bloom

[neon isle]

unless you have night bloom 🙂‍↕️

[jaunty basin]

then the shadow automatons make the fight take half as much time

especially if you get the beyblade one up

[jolly hound]

Is my 14 year old niece old enough for hades

[jaunty basin]

for the gameplay yes for the narrative story nudity and themes no

[jolly hound]

so no. Thanks for the sanity check

[jaunty basin]

I doubt it's their first time seeing things but you're speeding them into liking women with long pink hair and gold accessories

[still dagger]

so which hidden aspects are just bad? I feel like hel isn't really that much. shiva just seems boring

[jolly hound]

oh it’s motivated by the fact she’s definitely some sort of queer and I want her to experience great queer media

[brazen merlin]

I mean it's not nudity per se, the bits are covered, but some parents might not like the same gender relationship bits. They're very brief, but it's up to you. I'd watch them on youtube first if that sort of thing concerns you

[still dagger]

in addition to what others said, you can also have romantic relationships with 4 different characters. some talk is kind of heavy for a 14 yo imo

[jolly hound]

aight I’ll wait til she’s 18

[tranquil wren]

if you're worried about same gender relationships then you're lame imo. be more worried about aphrodite being nude or dionysus only having a loincloth on

[still dagger]

thoughts on the skull hidden aspect?

[teal zephyr]

Pretty good

[brazen merlin]

It's just hard to say because there's stuff that I don't find personally offensive that I know kids will get into trouble repeating at school

[hearty fog]

It's really fun and strong when a build comes together but it takes a lot for a build to come together.

[jolly hound]

I’m only worried about pissing off the family

[still dagger]

dionysus art gave me ptsd

[hearty fog]

I would start with either Hades 1 or an earlier game in SGG's catalogue.

I think everything except Pyre is rated T for Teen in the US, Pyre deals with heavy themes but is pretty much completely non-explicit.

[brazen merlin]

Yeah, hidden skull aspect is strong

A build that works pretty well is using zeus on special, it applies his debuff first and then it detonates instantly when attack triggers

[still dagger]

I'm guessing poseidon on attack is a must? how am I supposed to use the special?

[hearty fog]

My desired start for Hel is Poseidon and Ares with Ares Special and Poseidon Gain.

[brazen merlin]

I'm not sure any particular attack is a must, but I haven't used it a ton

[little mason]

Have you tried hades zero it's where you actually play as hades 😂

[teal zephyr]

Poseidon is good, Hestia also works

[hearty fog]

You'll only be using your Special infrequently-enough that it will have Wounds damage bonus most of the time.

[fair patrol]

dionysus?

[teal zephyr]

Static shock is great if you can get your hands on it

[tranquil wren]

the NPC on Olympus

[fair patrol]

who

[still dagger]

I love status shock. it's just the special seems to throw me off. the playstyle I'm feeling is just use omega special and then spam attack, repeat repeat repeat

[still dagger]

you'll find all the npcs, don't worry and spoil yourself. I'd recommend even staying from thsi channel unless you really want to know something

[neon isle]

i think hades 2 is pg13 but to each their own

[brazen merlin]

The use I saw for it was going zeus special, and just doing attack>dash attack>dash attack>dash over and over. No stacking attacks, just using it to trigger zeus blast on demand

[tranquil wren]

yea I agree. it's nothing crazy at all

[neon isle]

maybe its a 16yo kind of game though, explaining meg and bdsm to a 13yo is eh

[fair patrol]

hades is 16

[still dagger]

why attack-dash?

[fair patrol]

I think

[neon isle]

like at least 13yo boys have definitely seen and heard worse things regarding nudity and sex on the bus

[brazen merlin]

Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong aspect - this is the one that makes your attacks stay on you and trigger when you hit with special right?

[still dagger]

isn't that medea?

[brazen merlin]

Oh, I'm sorry, ignore me, I was talking about the wrong aspect

lol, which one is the one we're talking about

[fair patrol]

RADIANCE???

[brazen merlin]

Okay, it's Hel, for me personally I like poseidon attack with aphro special, since you get island getaway

[muted olive]

Since the jeweled pom says you cant pick olympian keepsakes can you still use selene’s?

[brazen merlin]

Special hits crazy hard if you can get the one that makes projectiles return

[fair patrol]

OMG HOLLOW KNIGHT

[devout cairn]

yes selene not olympian

[crude dragon]

Hel is the least good, but none of them are worse than Mel or Artemis knives

[supple nymph]

yep, selene doesnt affect it

[jolly hound]

there’s a big difference in being aware of that stuff and being responsible for others knowing about that stuff. the niece is getting Mario 3d world for her birthday

[crude dragon]

More of a Speedo than a loincloth, but true

[fair patrol]

wtf is mario 3d world

[crude dragon]

A Mario game

[fair patrol]

mario?

is that like someone who I havenn't met yet

[tranquil wren]

bruh

[neon isle]

no yeah, i see what you mean, safe choice with the fam

[honest solar]

yeah its icarus's brother icarus mario

[fair patrol]

ohh what boons does he have

[tranquil wren]

there's no way you can reference the radiance from hollow knight but not know who the super mario brothers are

[honest solar]

kind of like apollo except for hammers

just increases range

[fair patrol]

brothers? who's the brother

[tranquil wren]

I'm being rage-baited

[honest solar]

they're the two plumbers, sons of hephestus

[fair patrol]

what's the other brother

[honest solar]

its a easy thing to forget and you will soon meet them

[jolly hound]

yeah I wanna share the thing I love with the fam but I need to wait alas

[honest solar]

luigi mario

[stuck horizon]

I'm pretty sure jeweled pom only counts zeus, hera, poseidon, aphrodite, demeter, hestia, hephaestus, apollo and ares keepsakes, I don't think artemis, dionysus and hermes keepsakes count because they don't summon a god, not sure about athena's

[fair patrol]

wait didn't luigi kill that guy

[stuck horizon]

replied to wrong person damn it

[stuck horizon]

@muted olive

[honest solar]

yeah he did but gods are immortal as you may know

[jolly hound]

yeah he made a run at Deductibles (pronounced like a Greek god tho)

[honest solar]

idk if you're ragebaiting but i enjoy fooling you if you truly dont know

[stuck horizon]

is your name a doctor who reference?

[honest solar]

yes

[stuck horizon]

nice

[honest solar]

what does the gallifreyan say

[tranquil wren]

I love dr who. my favourite tv show

[fair patrol]

5s smity rush

[honest solar]

i hate doctor who. my favorite tv show

[stuck horizon]

"the sparrow flies south for winter", another reference to something else I love

[honest solar]

game of thrones?

[fair patrol]

IT'S AT 2s NOW I LOVE ECHO

[stuck horizon]

skulduggery pleasant

[honest solar]

oh i read that

[honest solar]

hephestus 500 blast kinda sucks

[stone maple]

been thinking, Mel literally said the only way she makes it out of Erebus so quickly is because she knows the path, but she could totally choose to take a detour for extra resources

[honest solar]

i got it 3 seconds and its really annoying

[prisma monolith]

me when i dont know about the game

[honest solar]

i just dont like playing with it

[prisma monolith]

fair, but it doesnt suck

[stuck horizon]

does smithy rush inflict glow if you get the boon that gives heph blasts glow status?

[fair patrol]

yes I think

[stuck horizon]

because honestly if a dash doesn't give me half of my origination I'm probably not taking it

[stuck horizon]

noted

[crude dragon]

Yeah, any of the clangs work

[fair patrol]

just one more pom please and then I have 1s smite rush

[crude dragon]

Can't get below 2s

[fair patrol]

why

[honest solar]

i do like heph's cast

[crude dragon]

Because that's the cooldown cap for Heph blasts

You can technically reduce it down to 1.65s or so by getting the Heph/Poseidon duo that reduces all cooldowns, but that's not from pomming

[stuck horizon]

John Supergiant deemed it so

[tranquil wren]

anything less than that would be a bit too OP. seismic servo is already enough

[honest solar]

gguys what legendaries do u recommend with anubus

[fair patrol]

can you give the bath salt to hecate

guys I'm in house of hades now

[jolly hound]

Can I give Scylla nectar

[craggy totem]

Most if not all of the NPCs that show up in the Crossroads can receive every kind of Crossroads gift, including Hecate and bath salts. If she's not accepting it at the moment it's because you're not at a stage in the progression where she wants it.

[fair patrol]

omg chronos

[remote locust]

Me but @ her bandmates

[fair patrol]

so annoniyng

[safe falcon]

Wait. Even the cast one?

[winged geyser]

so

no more prophecies left and... no dialogue. Not even from moros

[fair patrol]

NOOO I DIED IT WAS SO CLOSE

[civic sedge]

What do I have to do to unlock the jacuzzi's incantation? I did it in an old file during early access but I'd rather not touch that one again

(pls ping me)

[honest solar]

what is the jacuzzi

[winged geyser]

Like... there was a prev dialogue where he was wondering what he was going to do when meli finished with the fated list. I expected at least some dialogue but nothing

[jolly hound]

Roxy is my girl (shoutout the take over a dead enemy hex)

[remote locust]

Jetty < Roxy sorry I don't make the rules

[craggy totem]

They mean the hot springs.

[fair patrol]

do you guys think I can beat fire skull 56

[brazen merlin]

Only if you believe in yourself

[fair patrol]

well I do 51 because I want my arcana

[civic sedge]

i always forget "hot springs" is a thing

[honest solar]

no you cant (yet)

[fair patrol]

I suck lmao I can barely win a run

[crude dragon]

Cast doesn't have a blast, so not technically a clang

[safe falcon]

It does clang though

[brazen merlin]

It does make the clang noise, that's true

[fair patrol]

I died

on the third or fourth encounter

[brazen merlin]

did Hades 1 get many/any balance/qol changes after release?

[scenic gust]

yep.

[meager walrus]

Minor balance changes and bug fixes for hades 1 after release

[scenic gust]

the only thing that doesn't clank is his cast (which is sad as heck)

[brazen merlin]

I'm still hoping Selene godsent mechanic gets another pass

[meager walrus]

If this game is going to update similar to hades 1 I would not expect many significant changes. Potentially only some number tuning here or there

The most prominent post 1.0 balance changes i remember for hades 1 are eris and chiron getting their numbers adjusted

[brazen merlin]

I'm still hoping that they'll make it possible to get the godsent change after you've gotten Selene - or I guess at least make it impossible to get her before any other gods without her keepsake

[fair patrol]

for momus staff, should I do omega attack

[scenic gust]

Isn't that possible? You can get the Godsent as long as you have that god boon. Previous or after getting hex

[honest solar]

yes

[scenic gust]

Attack and Cast. Or Cast and Special. Your choice

[brazen merlin]

Ah, that's cool then, I was under the impression the path is fixed after you get her

[fair patrol]

and for mel staff, specials or omega attack, I like omega attack not much special

[craggy totem]

Devil's advocate: yes, you should, because it's fun.

[scenic gust]

the note on the Path is fixed. Not the God sent

[scenic gust]

Special staff is a mega bomb when you have a lot of Mana. Stack it with one timer boon like Zeus - Apollo or even Poseidon - Aress it's explosive

plus 30% if the enemy is on cast zone Arcana card

[fair patrol]

so which one

special or omega attack

[lyric quartz]

The wild part is Mel and Jetty share a voice actress but I don’t recall her or Roxy singing or talking at all

[scenic gust]

depend on your Hammer. If you go full Special. Better grab full one shot damage on it. If you go on Attack, get the double. Just test it out

[craggy totem]

They probably have "effort" VO lines -- like growling or going oof or death screams, etc.

[scenic gust]

Or mixing between Omega Attack first then special combo

[remote locust]

Jetty and Roxy sing too, though Scylla's vocals usually overpower theirs. Their lines are more audible when they have Featured Artist

Someone's uploaded videos showing their lines

[craggy totem]

It's kind of in-character for Scylla to overpower her bandmates, isn't it 😆

[lyric quartz]

Also, I have the dumbest headcanon as to why they dress up like KISS in the Rivals fight

[crude dragon]

You cycle between all 3

[lyric quartz]

Given Scylla’s midwestern accent it’s DETROIT ROCK CITY

[remote locust]

Scylla's... midwestern accent?

I don't hear it, though in fairness I'm in Michigan so maybe it's a perspective thing

[scenic gust]

she is the main singer.

[craggy totem]

Tangent: As far as accents go, I gotta say (epilogue spoilers) ||the Fates hitting you with that New York accent thick enough to cut into wedges took me OUT||. Incredible choice.

[chilly summit]

can anyone help me ? i’ve brewed the pet treats like 5 times and i’ve done every incantation except the bone density one and i still can’t upgrade my pets. I have the frog, bird, and cat

[lyric quartz]

She’s got a pretty noticeable Michigan/Minnesota accent, kind of like how ||The Fates are all Jersey girls||

[craggy totem]

WDYM you can't upgrade them? What menu options show up when you stand next to the pet?

[chilly summit]

@craggy totem i can pet them or take them/leave them

[remote locust]

She can't be from here, she doesn't say "ope"

[lyric quartz]

Woe be upon you, they added an “Ope, it’s you again” line

[remote locust]

Did they? Lol

[lyric quartz]

I wish

[jolly hound]

we don’t need words, I revived Roxy on my side with the Hera hex and we cleaned up it was dope

[chilly summit]

i think it has to do with “attending a faithful beast” not being completed yet but i don’t know how to trigger them

[lyric quartz]

I bully Roxy every run because she won’t stop turning the arena into a “dodge the circles” event

[fair patrol]

who is roxy

[brazen merlin]

trying to get to chronos with an arachne dress on has really forced me to come to terms with how bad I am at this game

[jolly hound]

Scylla’s drummer/my homegirl

[craggy totem]

I'm not a pro or anything, but as a #1 Arachne Stan, I find that if I run Silk Sash through the first two regions I typically build up enough armor to take it through to the end, at least on a low- or no-Fear run.

[scenic gust]

or just grab Hephaetus then the silk

[craggy totem]

The reason I like Sash is because it keeps adding, and doesn't require RNG!

[broken glen]

and the siren who allegedly wrote bewitching eyes (could have just been a lie from Scylla)

wait was that roxy or jetty

[scenic gust]

Well with Hephaetus help you can maintain the dress till the end. Addition but crucial

plus it's stacked with Hera duo boon too

at a cost of your mana

[fair patrol]

sorry zeus.. I used queen's ransom

[lyric quartz]

Jetty. It was partly a joke about them sharing a voice actress, partly Jetty making Melinoë into a sapphic icon.

[jolly hound]

It was jetty, she was jealous

[chilly summit]

is there anywhere else i should go to get help with this issue

[shrewd sentinel]

Hey guys, quick question. If I wanted to send a post I made on Reddit about my predictions for a hypothetical Hades III, which channel should I put it in (if it is allowed)?

[tranquil wren]

here or #h2-story-discussion, doesn't really matter I don't think

[lyric quartz]

I do hate to admit it but I like Bewitching Eyes the most out of their songs, next to maybe Coral Crown. I’m Going To Claw Out ( Your Eyes ) is just Scylla malding.

[tranquil wren]

bewitching eyes was stuck in my head for the longest time

[fair patrol]

hades 3:
you play as hades

[shrewd sentinel]

Ah okay, I’ll send it here then

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/s/fn3XAhaXO0

[fair patrol]

I AM GONNA CLAW OUT YOUR EYES

[lyric quartz]

Scylla’s reaction to you turning off the music audio is hilarious though

[jolly hound]

AND DROWN YOU

[fair patrol]

THEN DROWN YOU TO DEATH

[shrewd sentinel]

Bewitching Eyes is great

[fair patrol]

I AM GONNA CLAW OUT YOUR EYES

[shrewd sentinel]

It has such an 80s vibe

[lyric quartz]

Melinoë collecting girlfriends like Hypnos collects amusing deaths for Zagreus

[fair patrol]

PLEASE DON'T

[craggy totem]

I'll believe in Melinoe/||Arachne|| until the end of time 🫡 She's a goddess, she'll figure something out.

[round token]

do anvils give the same options if you reset a run on the same seed?

[sturdy goblet]

Hey guys, any tips for beating fear 24 surface? (Got all aspects maxed out) I just need the statue 😭

[little mason]

just win is my tip

[atomic river]

Medea Zeus special ares attack then get duo insta win

[lyric quartz]

Anubis staff, Hestia Attack, Zeus special and static lightning bounces. Put down microwave field, ???, Grofit

[tranquil wren]

interesting read! though I don't think Gaia could be an antagonist given that she's seen helping Melinoe a bunch in H2

[remote locust]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much of a dirty cheater am I if I End Night within the first room or two if I decide to change keepsakes based on the first chamber's offer

[sturdy goblet]

I am trying so hard but heracles is so fast

like he beats me faster than prometheus its insane

[lyric quartz]

Don’t do Rivals 3 at 24 heat

[atomic river]

Do you have vow of frenzy on?

I would turn it off lowkey there’s easier options

[remote locust]

I agree, I've tried toying around with Vow of Frenzy on, even just 1 tick, and I've always regretted it

[little mason]

not a real gamer if you dont have rivals 4 put on permently

[sturdy goblet]

is there anywhere i can place my config for you guys to see what im currently running

[fair patrol]

nemesis... why I could've gotten level 22 from echo pom upgrade but

[craggy totem]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[little mason]

#h2-feedback

[lyric quartz]

Yeah no. I’m not power gaming this and don’t feel like dealing with the stupidity of Typhon 4 or Peepaw going berserk.

[fair patrol]

heroic level 13 sworn strike nice

[little mason]

wins will feel empty

[lyric quartz]

They won’t because you don’t dictate how I have fun with the game lmao

[still dagger]

man, rival eris' laser shot is really strong. and it can easily get you if you're too close. any ideas other than just being really careful?

[lyric quartz]

Run around her caboose similar to Unrivaled

But watch out for her wing buffet

[still dagger]

caboose?

[little mason]

actually 🤓👆you gave me the power too

[oblique basin]

butt xd

[little mason]

caboose is a train cart

[still dagger]

thing is I have black coat so I have to go in and jab. if she so much as turns that's 35 dmg

[little mason]

i turn with her

[craggy totem]

Yeah, coat is great for running around behind her.

[little mason]

so is skull

[sturdy goblet]

i placed my fear choices on builds if you guys can check that out

[shrewd sentinel]

Fair point, although iirc Melinöe only acquires her blessings indirectly via the cauldron.

We don’t know how she personally feels about about the conflict going on, and she could eventually arrive at a permanent “solution” to prevent any future conflict later on

[tranquil wren]

true. much like blood of zeus

[shrewd geyser]

Play it careful, she shows her lines before she shoots giving you time to dash out of the way, you never want to only go sideways when dodging her because she can sweep the arena, your best bet will be to dodge towards her and get behind

[fair patrol]

why downvoted

[shrewd geyser]

I loved blood of Zeus

[shrewd sentinel]

I honestly don't know lol

[shrewd geyser]

If you get downvoted on Reddit for an opinion 70% of the time you’re right

[shrewd sentinel]

I've heard good things about it, haven't watched myself yet

[fair patrol]

knuckle bones (max) or luckier tooth (level 1) for chronos can't decide

[shrewd geyser]

I like knuckle

[plucky hearth]

Dark Side doesn't prevent the hecate morph....another L for that hex

[lyric zenith]

Depends if you're desperate for DD and what your max health is

[fair patrol]

I have 196 max health

[shrewd geyser]

Knuckle

[lyric zenith]

If you have 1 or 0 DD, probs tooth

[fair patrol]

I have 3 dd too so yeah knuckle is good

[lyric zenith]

Yeah, it's easily knuckle

[swift flare]

knuckle bones can end the fight faster, so probably better

[fair patrol]

thought of tooth because last time I died to him cause I needed one more

[swift flare]

assuming u dun need more DD, that is

[shrewd geyser]

Knuckle will reduce your damage taken too, with three DD you should be okay

If the screen goes red and points towards a small circle go to it 😂

[still dagger]

a lot of times she ends up on the edge of the arena so either I dodge into barrels/oil or there's nowhere to dodge into

[shrewd geyser]

It’s pretty good, it’s a “new myth” that co-opts a lot of Heracles’ story but also add and reworks a lot of stuff. Pretty satisfying animation too

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah in those cases I usually will have to rely on a cast boon or try to make her reposition. Are you running on a timer?

[merry whale]

unseen ire does

[shrewd geyser]

Another Frinos W

[merry whale]

(it more just makes the morph ball not able to actually hit u for as long as unseen ire is active)

[still dagger]

no. right now just practicing rivals. with a timer on it's tough to deal with rivals since I'm less agressive and try to time my attacks. twice the timer ran out on me during a boss fight

[merry whale]

i also learned that morph fang does not get eaten by erebus wards, another reason why erebus wards are one of the most useless and worthless mechanics in the game

[fair patrol]

I'm coming, Chronos

phase 1 done

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah it can be tough, that fight is huge on positioning. Since this game doesn’t have 400% trap damage on fear runs I’d recommend just eating a hit or two from the fire before dashing out if you’re running out of time, it’s a lot better than letting the laser hit you

[meager walrus]

Why is everyone suggesting knuckle bones for chronos

[fair patrol]

I killed chronos

[small shard]

Knuckle

[shrewd geyser]

Less damage

[meager walrus]

That keepsake is pretty bad vs chronos imo and only makes sense if you are desperate for survivability at any cost and are running strength

[small shard]

10% DR is more valuable than than a 50 heal DD

[shrewd geyser]

I dont think its bad you just lose value from the damage proc

[next quarry]

Hey, does some fight disable your spell ? I couldn't use it during a specific bossfight so i was wondering :s

[still dagger]

it decreases damage from guardians and makes them lose a chunk of their max hp or something. evil eye is also good

[meager walrus]

Riddle me this, how much hp do you need for 10% dr to be better

[teal zephyr]

I only use knuckle bones for rivals prom and cerb

[meager walrus]

Also keep in mind that knucklebones procs on phase 1.1 of chronos which is by far his easiest phase

[cloud saddle]

Do you mean your hex?
Uhhh
I don’t think any fights stop you from using your hex outright
Maybe the conditions for the hex weren’t met tho

[still dagger]

never encountered this. maybe your button wasn't working or you tried to do omega spell and didn't have magick

[shrewd geyser]

The dr across three dds is pretty helpful idk man

[meager walrus]

And also that he has 2 or more hp bars so you dont even get the "full" value for it

[little mason]

Dr doesn't help If you don't get hit same with heal so they are both equally bad if u don't get hit

[teal zephyr]

For Chronos it's pretty mid yeah

[shrewd geyser]

For someone who is fresh and just fighting chronos for the first few times I don’t think it’s bad, it’s not great if we’re talking about high fear or end game runs

[cloud saddle]

Also
Why didn’t anyone tell me that ||chronos’ keepsake|| is good
I thought it would give like
100 for a boon or something…
I should have been using this WAY sooner…

[meager walrus]

Phase 2.2 chronos is the hardest part of the fight (phase 3 is also hard for rivals) and knucklebones doesnt really do much there besides give 10% hp

[neon isle]

actually is it possible to dodge his instakill with dash or daze

[shrewd geyser]

All the end game keepsakes are broken

[meager walrus]

Which is usually a lot worse than pin or even tooth

[next quarry]

Yeah sorry french player here, i was playing the one which revive an enemy as an ally but maybe i didn't actually killed one '-'

[neon isle]

ik armor and lovers and artemis cheeses him

[cloud saddle]

I don’t think so
It is possible to negate it with invincibility and armor tho

[teal zephyr]

You can iframe it yeah

[neon isle]

oh sick

[little mason]

Armour stops insta kill 😭 sure buddy

[shrewd geyser]

Chronos phase 2 is honestly easier than phase 1

[fair patrol]

can time not be stopped?

[small shard]

Not much? The way DR works is wonky but basically the more you have, the less effective so 10% over 0% is infinitely better than a single DD IMO

[shrewd geyser]

He just stands there and lets you murder him

[neon isle]

chronos phase 2 is kind of annoying with the healers now but idm

[meager walrus]

Someone does not know how to do math

[little mason]

Just out dmg the healers

[little mason]

Actually I got an f for fantastic in math

[neon isle]

phase 3 is the only one that ever kills me lol

[shrewd geyser]

When I first loaded into phase 3 I thought I could only stand on the circles I got so scared

[simple sierra]

apollo or aphro legendary better with aspect of persephone

[shrewd geyser]

I don’t think Apollo will work on the special

[cloud saddle]

Kinda off topic but
I really hope supergiant releases like
An in cannon Scylla and the sirens full album
I NEED 10 more songs and I will PAY for them if need be

[fair patrol]

is the mel skull good

[lyric zenith]

What boons actually make sense w/ Morrigan?

[cloud saddle]

Not as good as the other aspects, but still decent

[fair patrol]

best aspect for argent skull?

[lyric zenith]

HUH? w8, misread as Medea skull

[shrewd geyser]

Heph or Apollo or aphro, Heph is my top

[cloud saddle]

Both medea and Persephone are REALLLY good

[fair patrol]

which one si better

[shrewd geyser]

Medea is best, Persephone is good, Hel is my fav

[fair patrol]

how to get mandrake

[shrewd geyser]

Medea is a high skill floor though to perform well with it, and I don’t love the playstyle

[crude dragon]

Hera and Apollo, to either spread Triad damage with Hitch or to have larger hitboxes to apply it to more enemies

[round token]

gotta love going into typhon with 15 charges of moon water and 520 max hp 🔥

[lyric zenith]

Ig I mostly want origination aside from that, these make sense to me.

[shrewd geyser]

Nah heph on attack all day, then when you rip your omega attack and also hit your aspect proc you deal over 1k damage

[crude dragon]

Morrigan can work with pretty much everything, FWIW, but those two are the standouts

[shrewd geyser]

True

[crude dragon]

A blast is also decent to slot in somewhere so you can get Heph Legendary to boost Triad damage even more

[swift flare]

the P2 arena make things WAY easier.

[shrewd geyser]

My best morrigan run was 2 sec heph attack, with omega attack has +300 power, omg so good

[buoyant matrix]

+300% damage*

[swift flare]

kinda like Eris, he often charges and hugs the wall in P1, super annoying

[shrewd geyser]

I always forget what the hammer is but yeah that one. It’s so freaking strong

[crude dragon]

The big OAttack

[shrewd geyser]

O attack would deal over 600, over 400 from the heph attack, then 999 from morrigan cause I got the heph bonus that increases aspect,

[toxic hedge]

It will be called "Tasty Morsels". Trust me it was revealed to me in the game

[cloud saddle]

There is no better feeling in this game than getting your Haphestus attack or special down to like 2 seconds ong

[shrewd geyser]

You can get it to display 1 but I think it is still 1.6 or something

[toxic hedge]

Aahhhh, wait, I misread it as sprint. Ofc, Hades 2 Sprite is better xD

[cloud saddle]

Man…
I wanted a zero second cooldown haphestus attack on the daggers…

[toxic hedge]

Relatable (secret to my 10 minute run on an axe)

[buoyant matrix]

that message is 10 hours old

[toxic hedge]

I was tagged in old message. Found this message and found it funny xD

[buoyant matrix]

I'm glad you found it funny 🙏

[cloud saddle]

Also
I never realized how GOOD origination is until recently when I actually tried it out
My first run with it I killed Chronos in less than a minute… and I wasn’t even building around it
Why have I been so foolish

[toxic hedge]

Also I've trying different aspects for "Bearing Dark Gifts" achievements and I'm shocked to see how many weapons have easy ways to get those numbers up.

[shrewd geyser]

I didn’t use origination until I had beaten the game

[buoyant matrix]

origination is goated

[toxic hedge]

Origination is broken. Shocked that it's not been nerfed to the ground like Strength and Knucklebones are

[shrewd geyser]

I figured I’d go watch some Haelian now that I had won, and he kept saying “oh this is good cause it procs orig” and then I felt like Danny devito when he finally gets it

[cloud saddle]

50% more damage for doing something you should already be doing just by existing is ungodly powerful (surprisingly)

[fair patrol]

argent skull is so good

[toxic hedge]

Origination gets even better with Eos's aspect imo. I was racking those numbers easily

[buoyant matrix]

it's good with everything

[cloud saddle]

I’m never taking off origination

[shrewd geyser]

Facts

[granite wigeon]

someone give me a good blitz build with morgning knife

[shrewd geyser]

I always loved Hera too before I used orig, now she’s even better

[granite wigeon]

im thinking of just slapping on demiter and aphro

[fair patrol]

what's origination

[tranquil wren]

arcana card

[fair patrol]

what does it do

[shrewd geyser]

Arcana card that costs 5 grasp, gives you 50% more damage against enemies with 2 or more Olympian curses on them

[teal zephyr]

50% global damage increase when you have at least 2 curses from different olympians on the target

[crude dragon]

Incoming "what's a curse"

[fair patrol]

I don't ever have more than 2 or 2 olympian curess

[tranquil wren]

bruh

[shrewd geyser]

You probably do and don’t realize it

[fair patrol]

really?

[tranquil wren]

things like hitch, blitz, weak are all curses

[cloud saddle]

Just get any cast, and then the Demeter boon that summons a gale over your cast

[buoyant matrix]

I don't use Furies because I don't use casts (they're a sure and certain way to get damaged, you have to move to the centre of groups of mobs and stay close by, you'll die in seconds).

I don't use Origination because "curses" are rare, 2 curses at once is completely unheard of, I don't think it's ever happened.

I don't use Huntress because I have no idea how often I'm at <100% mana but "not often" on most runs I think.

I don't use Night because I have no idea what an "Ω Combo" is but I doubt I've ever done one.

I don't use the axe because you have to make an appointment to swing it, and while you're waiting for your appointment time, you get damaged.

(I have 160 runs complete in 160 hours in the game, I've killed both end-bosses many times but not with VoR4 enabled.)

[crude dragon]

Morrigan doesn't really need Blitz, but I'd probably toss it on the Special

[shrewd geyser]

Weakness, Wound, Hitch, Blitz, Froth, Freeze, etc. are all curses

[granite wigeon]

holy crap, chaos
next 3 encounters cannot earn coins, afterward all coin is worth 80% more

[tranquil wren]

I need to know the origin of this copypasta

[granite wigeon]

erm yes please

[crude dragon]

Always funny to see that particular combo

"Cannot earn money" into "earn more money"

[toxic hedge]

Iys status effects from god. Like Hitch, weak and stuff

[buoyant matrix]

someone on reddit, in response to someone explaining how they're dealing so much damage to chronos in a clip

[fair patrol]

yeah only hitch

[tranquil wren]

ofc it's reddit

[crude dragon]

Did you expect anything less

[cloud saddle]

Me when I go to a being allergic to good opinions competition and my opponent is a redditor

[tardy swift]

Is the Charybdis cheese no longer working for anyone else? Did it get hotfixed?

[crude dragon]

What Charybdis cheese?

[shrewd geyser]

Burn from hestia, froth from Poseidon, glow from Hephaestus, daze from Apollo, weak from aprohdite, hungover from dio, hitch from Hera, freeze from Demeter, blitz from Zeus, wound from Ares. There is no way you don’t see any combination of these two in a run

[toxic hedge]

Get Hitch on attack and weak on cast. Easy peasy

[tardy swift]

https://imgur.com/a/ULEAFlB

[meager walrus]

🚪

[buoyant matrix]

https://youtu.be/VO6ZueemovY?si=ux9p_KYsYUqZ31s2

[round token]

do you guys think hell splitter on aspect of thanatos is worth it?

[meager walrus]

Door method still worked for me as of yesterday

[teal zephyr]

If you mean door you just need to be fast

[buoyant matrix]

no

[shrewd geyser]

When will this feature get added to VoR 2

[crude dragon]

Absolutely not

Hell Splitter is awful in basically every scenario

[meager walrus]

There is like no situation in which the big chop feels good to use

[tardy swift]

I keep going to the door as shown in the video but the balls still burst into smaller ones and still track the crap out of Mel

[meager walrus]

Even in the one chaos trial that is meant to make the big chop feel good, its still kinda clunky

And that is the best case scenario for it

[crude dragon]

Strongest door this side of Persona 3

[jolly wing]

Does Narcissus offer Silver before you unlock the Pickaxe?

[buoyant matrix]

the spot is kinda precise

[vapid igloo]

Dora can hold much i think. She does have a hard hat though

[crude dragon]

He sure can, it's one of the best ways to get the axe unlocked really early

[buoyant matrix]

if you're not standing right there then the left bomb will leave some clusters yeah

[jolly wing]

Really? On night 2?

[crude dragon]

Yeah

[shrewd geyser]

Dora is cool and all, but my house contractor? That was my boy

[crude dragon]

I remember one of the fresh file players talking about that

[granite wigeon]

why r ppl replying to my messages that are hours old

[round token]

hey guys, for nem romance ||do i need to do enough fair trades to the point where she enters tartarus?||

[toxic hedge]

Istg I didn't even know that there was a way to see if how many clears you've done with specific weapon until I accidentally stumbled upon that shade today

[shrewd geyser]

Possibly? ||id say just interact with her as much as possible and she will eventually appear and boink you||

[shrewd geyser]

🤓

[toxic hedge]

Lmao

[granite wigeon]

lol i died to cyclops

[dense yacht]

What's the easiest way to get Hestia's legendary? I thought the Trial of Flame would help, but it starts you with Tidal Ring.

[granite wigeon]

not skilled enough to use apectof morgning

[shrewd geyser]

Oh god Hestia legendary took me a while

[shrewd geyser]

It’s not too hard, play slow charge omega attack, then throw special and attack, rinse repeat

[jolly wing]

Then I'll keep reloading earlier saves until I get Silver. So far I found Fate Die.

[granite wigeon]

i know how it works lol im just too greedy

[dreamy forum]

I like how we all share a collective fear of Tiny Vermin even in the original game

[shrewd geyser]

Uh oh

[tranquil wren]

tiny vermin is way more difficult in H1 imo lol

[shrewd geyser]

Well they are in the last area, with unforgiving poison

[granite wigeon]

yeh, but hes later in progression in 1

[dreamy forum]

yeah but we still fear it, its the only miniboss i dread to see

[honest solar]

Uh oh isn't hard in Hades 2 he's just hard to see

[granite wigeon]

hehehe heroic solar ring for aspect of charon build

[dreamy forum]

alongside STUPID charydbis

[tranquil wren]

the octopus in oceanus is 10x worse than uh oh

[honest solar]

Wb phantom

Phantom can be tricky in some builds and ruined a lot of mine

[shrewd geyser]

Charybdis is free, the true thing I fear is the dracon who has like 10k armor

[dreamy forum]

who? the satyr in erebus?

[honest solar]

Yes

[jolly wing]

Has anyone else gotten Silver from Narcissus on Night 2 on V1.0?

[dreamy forum]

Charydbis always takes out one or two of my dd because of that stupid multiplying spit that drains my health

[granite wigeon]

oh wow heartthrob mgiht be goon on charaon since its high mana usedge for free

[honest solar]

Has anyone played without dd

[granite wigeon]

and the apollo aphro duo mgiht be tasty

[shrewd geyser]

I have a decent strat to avoid it, so it never really gets me. I just sprint to the top of the room until they start exploding, then sprint/dash back through them

[honest solar]

Here I mean with fear

[dreamy forum]

i plan to when i grind gorgon amulet levels

[dreamy forum]

ill use that maybe

[granite wigeon]

strength

[shy lotus]

I'm making an anki deck to memorize hades boons based on their icon

[shrewd geyser]

No matter where in the room, basically just sprint lengthwise until 2 or 3 of them pop, then dash back towards them. You will have to weave a little to avoid some but you shouldn’t take massive damage

[shy lotus]

Yall should do the same

[shell widget]

Strength is incredibly strong

[shrewd geyser]

Strength is strong

Strength….. strong 🤔

[shell widget]

DR is really good

[shrewd geyser]

So if I have strength I’ll be strong

[honest solar]

Why

[dreamy forum]

i crave the certainty of dd (i am not good enough to beat the game without atleast 1)

[brittle osprey]

so i unlocked bewitching eyes as a song, and it's incredibly fun now coming back and wandering around the crossroads while sweet 80s rock ballad and guitar solos blare

[shrewd geyser]

You might be if you take less damage and deal more

[shrewd geyser]

I prefer Song of the Pearls idk why it’s just so nice

[cloud saddle]

Ehhh
I feel like both strength and death defiance are good

[granite wigeon]

is dark side good lol

[cloud saddle]

I wish we could still have the lyrics for the siren songs in the crossroads…

[granite wigeon]

ive used it in a previous patch and it seemed pretty dog

[shrewd geyser]

Arty please sing this siren song

[cloud saddle]

God no

[shrewd geyser]

Dark side is good if you have Poseidon attack, maxed tree with bonus attack speed and damage and attack effects on attack

[crude dragon]

It's still pretty garbage unless you get the Godsent

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah it’s kinda poop comparatively, moon beam seems completely broken to me idk if I’m trippin

[cloud saddle]

Ehhhh
By the time I get all that
Usually my base form is already more powerful than dark side

Also
Since there’s no warning before it stops being invulnerable, I usually end up taking MORE damage

[crude dragon]

Lunar Ray is pretty strong if you get the good upgrades and Godsent for it

[shrewd geyser]

There is a warning it goes “dun dun dun dun dun”

[cloud saddle]

For me it’s just the single “dun” right as it ends

[brittle osprey]

i really like total eclipse

[craggy widget]

wolf howl

[crude dragon]

Always fun to cast Meteor

[cloud saddle]

Same
All the upgrades for it are really good

[shrewd geyser]

I just don’t understand how anything is supposed to compete with a godsend triple beam moonbeam

[brittle osprey]

just nuking the battlefield lol

[cloud saddle]

I love when I call the moon to send an orbital strike on the single sword fish that still has armor

[meager walrus]

I usually use hexes as supplemental boss dps if my build might struggle there and also uses magick at a good rate

[shrewd geyser]

I consistently hit 11k on typhon and instakill multiple phases

Moon beam can easily solo bosses

[buoyant matrix]

medea skull can beat it with no boons and eyes closed

[cloud saddle]

The problem with that is
I can never get the triple fire upgrade
I’ve gotten moonbeam like 10 times now and I’ve never once gotten that upgrade on the path

[meager walrus]

The main issue with hexes is that they often require heavy commitment and as you increase fear resources start to become more limited

[shrewd geyser]

You fr don’t even need the triple beam, even the solo beam can do crazy dmg

[meager walrus]

Like a hex with multiple upgrades hits really hard and is definitely good for bossing

[cloud saddle]

Yeah
Still, for most of them it can be just extra damage if you don’t upgrade it

[meager walrus]

But the question is what is the opportunity cost of getting the hex to that point

[shrewd geyser]

It depends on the heart of the cards, I’m just glad selene keepsake doesn’t kill fates whim

[cloud saddle]

I’ll usually only go for a Selene room if the only other options are like
Ash and poms

[brittle osprey]

so my first two wins were with skulls, after thinking they'd be a terrible weapon. i unlock medea, initially im like, this is a stupid weapon. i do the chaos trial with medea skull and obliterate everything.... shortly after got my third win with medea skull lol

[cloud saddle]

Also kinda unrelated but
I see a lot of people hating on judgement for being bad
And like
Yes objectively it is a bad card
But
It’s funny as hell when you actually do somehow get a good build from it
And I have a chronic gambling addiction

[honest solar]

whats the best selene do you think

[shrewd geyser]

Judgement is a lot of fun

[naive torrent]

With medea am i supposed to have my best boon on my attack or on my special?

[shrewd geyser]

The feeling you get with Judgement of just becoming insanely strong after a guardian when you hit the arcana you’ve been wanting is so good

[cloud saddle]

Attack
And the best boon for attacks is aphrodite of course

[crude dragon]

Ares is also a decent alternative for the Heinous pipeline

[shrewd geyser]

Time Belongs to Us or In the Blood?

[cloud saddle]

Personally I’m more of a fated glory fan
But if it’s between the 2 then time belongs to us

[jolly wing]

Are you sure Silver shows up on Night 2, the night before you unlock Pickaxe? I couldn't find Silver now and 2 weeks ago on Night 2, though Narcissus offered Silver on Night 3 a few weeks ago.

[cloud saddle]

You might just be really unlucky

[toxic hedge]

In the Blood tbh

[toxic hedge]

Judgement is more fun when you're bored and want to refresh your runs. That's what I used to do before Prometheus dropped lol

[lyric zenith]

Makes the arcana meta more interesting for sure (aside from Judgement itself being weak).

[jolly wing]

I'll try a different room. I only been offered 4 things: Ash, Psyche, Bones, and Fate Fabric.

[shrewd geyser]

I can’t decide on in the blood or time belongs to us, I feel like listening to ITB while riding down the river was just so sublime

[granite wigeon]

how does the ngiht arcana work exacly, do i have to cycle all 3 omegas or can i just do the attack and special

[cloud saddle]

You have to do 1 omega and then the next omega has the crit chance if you do it right after I believe

[lyric zenith]

It only cares that you have used an omega already, and that your next omega is a different omega.

[granite wigeon]

cool

[toxic hedge]

Because you felt like something ended there. Imo. Hades2's story is haphazardly done (if that's the correct word),

[lyric zenith]

Really just depends on your build

[cloud saddle]

It’ll have a little cracked skull icon next to the magick cost if you do it correctly

[granite wigeon]

im gon try it with momus

[lyric zenith]

you can make it a combo of setup omega into the oemga you actually want to use, or you can alternate between 2-3 omegas (if you use 2, use the 3rd for when you forget which you used last).

[shrewd geyser]

I think the ending they chose could have worked if ||it was seeded more in the dialogue, like something like Chronos talking about how there is no other way, and how this is always how it has been and will be or something, implying he hasn’t even considered another path until zag shows it to him||

[cloud saddle]

Yeahhh
I’m one of the few who likes the ending
But I think it could have used a LOT more setup

[shrewd geyser]

Same I don’t even mind it, I just think there could’ve been more setup

[craggy totem]

It really isn't a matter of an outline-/summary-level "this idea of an ending sucks", it's the execution.

[toxic hedge]

Pacing sucked. Everything was way too quick to process.

We went from an imposing fella to a person begging for mercy within a frame of a minute

[granite wigeon]

lol im using the pom and im so not used to no gambling

[toxic hedge]

This is the biggest issue. Thinking ending thoroughly after a few days, I realised that it was actually a great idea but only if they had spread across the runs

[craggy totem]

Hahah, opposite of me. I don't usually use the rerolls so pom was extremely free for most of my runs lol. Then I started Chaos Above/Below and....

[cloud saddle]

Exactly
Any idea can work if you do it well enough
They just needed a BIT more setup for it and I think it would have worked a lot better

[shrewd geyser]

Chaos above and below were much harder than 32 fear lol

[craggy totem]

Whaaat, really? I'm not really enjoying being stuck on axe/Frinos and no keepsake choices, but 32 Fear seems unimaginable to me lol

[toxic hedge]

And another issue for maybe just me was that Melinoe didn't go through any character development. For the lack of better terms, she didn't unlearn anything related to god even though she saw how some of her friends and even enemies were affected by their curses

[shrewd geyser]

32 fear was shockingly easy to me, I did it on my second attempt only cause I trolled my first one with a bad boon pick

[craggy totem]

WTF.... madlad....

[tranquil wren]

I think they're comparable if you get lucky with great chaos. I got maxxed vow of scars on my first attempt, so that went poorly

[lyric zenith]

||It just ties into the general issues where the game seems afraid to tell a story about railing against the gods (or maybe the writers not having enough time to tell that story). It would be so easy to tie into Chronos not being entirely black and white, still evil but redeemable. That story isn't really told, so the ending and everything post-ending falls very flat. The gods are responsible for many wrongs, but it's w/e ig, and Chronos is forgiven cuz family or something.||

[shrewd geyser]

I think you will be surprised if you do a good fear setup it’s not too bad

[tranquil wren]

yea 32F UW and 24F Surface is super easy, I got them both first try. and I'm not that good at video games

[granite wigeon]

lol i jsut realised i got rid of my animal

[craggy totem]

WAIT. It also randomizes your vows!?!?!?! I only attempted them the one time for the prophecy and I don't think I got any Fear...

[granite wigeon]

me when no 3 free hits or whatever

[shrewd geyser]

Random vows totaling 20 heat, random weapon, random pet, random arcana

[toxic hedge]

It's like game tries to set you up for Melinoe realising that gods aren't all good due to get interactions with Prometheus and when she mentions Prometheus to Hades but then in full story, nothing really changed

[cloud saddle]

Ong
It’s sets up so much, but pays nothing off
I don’t personally mind too much but I just wish they actually followed through with it instead of just being like
“Hey this sucks”
“Haha yeah”
“…”
“Anyway bye”

[tranquil wren]

the regular ones don't have any Fear, but the Great trials have 20 random Fear selected

[merry whale]

they should make it so great chaos can do void

[shrewd geyser]

It’s much harder than 32 Fear Imo just cause of rng

[lyric zenith]

I'm just not sure whether to think Hades 1 had cleaner writing because the story was easier to implement in-game, or if there was some genuine blindspot in the writing room as to the theming and how it comes across.

[craggy totem]

Oh, Greater. Okay, that makes so much more sense. I'm just talking about the normal ones, guys!

[toxic hedge]

Stakes were higher in Hades 2

Ending feels dissatisfying for that reason as well

[shrewd geyser]

I think the low stakes family style story is easier to understand and write for hades 1. At its core, it is a small family drama, not a world ending catastrophe

[final fog]

1 is tighter in every way, 2 is more grandiose in scope. It's always harder to convey that while also delivering satisfying narrative, it's why so many epic series get written into inescapable corners.

[cloud saddle]

They bit off a bit more than they could chew I think
Hades 1 was a lot more contained so it’s story was a lot more tightly knit
Menewhile hades 2 tries to tell like 3 stories at once

[jaunty basin]

it's a question of scale

[shrewd geyser]

Unless you are LoTR

[toxic hedge]

Which ends by ||zag come speary haha, chronos changed||

[granite wigeon]

does selene count against the fates thing

[shrewd geyser]

No

[jaunty basin]

hades 1 is an excellent interpersonal drama with very good writing of a dysfunctional family especially. hades 2 is a time travel story attempt that amounts to Persephone being bullied again and not much else

[cloud saddle]

My name is zagreus and I’m literally the only thing stopping this entire family from killing each other

[toxic hedge]

I hope they readjust the ending even if it means spreading it out across the runs

[lyric zenith]

I felt the absence of looking forward to story progress between runs, but I've kind of replaced it by looking forward to being critical of dialogue and thinking on what head-canon I'd find satisfying.

2 is very much a gameplay improvement in almost every respect, at least to my tastes, so I'm very much invested in enjoying the game despite flaws.

[shrewd geyser]

I saw some people on steam saying ||Zagreus was character assassinated? Like I don’t really get that, it’s pretty in line with Zag’s character to try talking first and show mercy? The only person he was ever not that merciful to was his Father, and that’s only really cause he can’t truly hurt him||

[craggy totem]

Yeah, I thought that was very in-character.

[lost arch]

what boon should i put on melinoe daggers attack

[cloud saddle]

Either hestia or Poseidon are really good

[toxic hedge]

Only thing I could grasp was that Zagreus stabbing chronos was the reason timelines split up

[tranquil wren]

people thinking ||zag would just slime out some random guy|| is kinda crazy to me

[shrewd geyser]

Especially some guy who is helpless and related to him like wtf

[cloud saddle]

Ong
||Literally the entirety of the first game was him fixing his broken family||
||Chronos is just one more family member to him||

[craggy totem]

Spoiler your spoilers

[lost arch]

thx

[toxic hedge]

And do that solely because ||a hypothetical sister told her which may be lying||

[cloud saddle]

Sorry I forgor

[granite wigeon]

do you lose the bonus + levels if you unequit the jewled fruit thingy

[tranquil wren]

no

[lyric zenith]

^ it's kinda broken

[jolly wing]

I seriously thought unlocking the Pickaxe was the prereq for Narcissus to gift Silvers on Night 3. I'm so unlucky not getting Silvers on Night 2.

[cloud saddle]

Nah
And you keep getting those bonus levels for every boon even after you unequip it to

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah that stuff made me mad in negative steam reviews. Like if you think that is a character assassination I’m not sure you paid attention in the first game

[craggy totem]

Don't read Steam reviews --valuable life lesson

[cloud saddle]

Never look in steam reviews and forums
It’s literally nothing but rage bait

[tranquil wren]

steam reviews are just kinda stupid in general. I saw one claiming that casts in H2 were useless

[granite wigeon]

bruh what noway, you dont have to have equipped to get levels on new boons?

[shrewd geyser]

True lol

[cloud saddle]

Nah
So long as you don’t equip any keepsakes that force a god to spawn at least

[granite wigeon]

thats gatta be a glitch lol

[tranquil wren]

no it's intended

[cloud saddle]

Nah, fully intentional

[granite wigeon]

skull

[craggy totem]

I believe someone else mentioned if the wording of the keepsake description says "this night", it applies even after you take off the keepsake.

[shrewd geyser]

I think Selene is guaranteed in all runs so you’re not really altering fate if you think about it

[cloud saddle]

The last 3 boons are just ungodly powerful for no reason and I love it
I never even use the rerolls anyway

[granite wigeon]

thats funny

[lyric zenith]

I think people might be confusing ||"stealing the show" as character assisination. It's a meta reason to like Zag less as a character, despite it being in-character and more of a broader narrative problem in H2.||

[granite wigeon]

i think i like this item lol, and i get to try new builds

[tardy swift]

I wish we had an effect where tick damage spread to surrounding foes after an enemy died. Like caustic damage.I think they had something like that in Hades 1. Could be a good way to improve Ares

[tranquil wren]

that's a criticism I can understand, though not necessarily agree with

[honest solar]

is there even a point of rerolls

[craggy totem]

Yes, you get better things with it?

[shrewd geyser]

Probably, that makes sense I get the frustrations with the endings but people need to understand what they are talking about lol

[honest solar]

if you have fates whim

[tranquil wren]

you can't have rerolls and fates whim at the same time

[cloud saddle]

I think ares in general needs buffs
Wounds isn’t really that good, and the attack bonus at heroic is the same as apollos at common

[lyric zenith]

Yeah, it's very much people having a vague feeling but not fully putting together why they have that feeling.

[granite wigeon]

does hermes success rate affect sea star

[shell widget]

Pretty sure it does

[limpid stream]

I’m running a mana build wish me luck

[granite wigeon]

fun

[jolly wing]

I'm giving up on looking for Silver on Night 2. I don't think Narcissus offers them before you unlock Pickaxe on V1.0.

[cloud saddle]

I feel like for ares they were really scared of making him too strong, so they dialed WAYYY back into making the literal GOD OF WAR the worst in terms of attack and special boons

[shrewd geyser]

When I saw character assassination I was like oh boy, what insane out of character thing is he gonna do and then it’s just like… nothing out of character at all at least for him ||Chronos on the other hand could’ve used a little more characterization to make me believe his sudden switch||

[craggy totem]

I don't even think that "character assassination" is how I'd describe ||what they did to Mel, either, and I'm in the "Mel was kinda done dirty by the execution" camp.|| Words mean things, people!

[cloud saddle]

||I feel like if Chronos was just a tad bit more sympathetic then the ending wouldn’t be nearly as hated||
||like all you’d need is 1 or 2 dialogue exchanges||

[lyric zenith]

I feel like it's consistent w/ H1 Ares of being kind of defensive/patient, no?

[cloud saddle]

Ehhhhh
Doom in hades 1 was just
Objectively way better than wounds is in hades 2

[lyric zenith]

Idk if he plays as well as doom did, tho
ye ^

[shrewd geyser]

The problem with Ares is that he needs duos to even function

[granite wigeon]

bruh id ied to eris

mayber im just cheeks at the game

[cloud saddle]

Without the Hera duo plasma is literally useless in anything other than fodder rooms

[lyric zenith]

Tbh I'd be down w/ wounds giving a bigger power bonus

[shrewd geyser]

And without heph or Apollo duos, blade falls are underwhelming at best

[granite wigeon]

can someone tell me how to play with the staff, im doing that surface fates list thingy

[lyric zenith]

I really like the idea of wounds, it's just mostly only good on the move you're not using and is mostly worse than blitz.

[cloud saddle]

Spam omegas

[jaunty basin]

which aspect

[jaunty basin]

is a lot* worse than blitz

[granite wigeon]

🤷‍♂️ ive maxed the defualt one and momus

[cloud saddle]

I just wish wounds did something other than 50 damage every 3 seconds
Like
The name wounds would imply it makes them more vulnerable or something

[shrewd geyser]

In a family dispute if I pick Zeus I shouldn’t even be attacked by the other ong

[lyric zenith]

I think there are some instances where blitz isn't very useful, and I'd rather consistent origination. But where blitz does work, it's wayyyy stronger. Wounds is only better when neither is that good to begin w/, and it's serviceable because it's doing very little and is wanted for very little.

[shell widget]

Both are good

[jaunty basin]

momus you use all 3 omegas once each and repeat after their snake dissapears. mel aspect you get a high damage % special boon and use omega special

[shrewd geyser]

Does Momus work with Apollo legendary?

[granite wigeon]

yea i mean obviously but i cant seem to get a good build going

[shrewd geyser]

Or dual moonshot, dual moonshot + Apollo legendary on momus would be VILE if it works

[shell widget]

Iirc it only partially does?

But that was a few patches ago

[cloud saddle]

Again on the story though
It feels like they were building up this big plot that was gonna be really cool
||Then realized “OH SHOOT THIS IS A ROGUELIKE WE CAN’T JUST KILL THE BIG BAD OR GO AGAINST THE GODS AND HAVE THE GAMEPLAY STRUCTURE BE THE SAME” and had to cut a bunch of stuff and quickly make a new story||

[honest solar]

they could be plenty of other reasons to keep the roguelike

there could also be new big bads to beat instead

[shrewd geyser]

Okay we did it, we completed the story…. WAIT, TIME NEEDS TO FLOW FREELY FORWARD

[honest solar]

what if chronos split his being into two, and we fight the evil side. simple

[round token]

what is the song on the end credits?

[shrewd geyser]

||that’s basically what happened, but infinite chronos instead of 2||

[cloud saddle]

Time belongs to us I believe

[shell widget]

||Isn’t that essentially what happens tho||

[round token]

ty

[cloud saddle]

Np

[shell widget]

Anyone know when the ost will be on music platforms?

[honest solar]

no ii mean no bs alternate timeline happens and chronos becomes good but knows there still is a risk of a part of him becoming evil, so he physically splits his beings and as long as you keep the evil at bay it'll be fine

[lyric zenith]

I feel like this is solveable, though, and maybe they just didn't have the time to figure it out/had to suddenly pivot from something that wasn't working. ||Chronos can remain evil and find ways to perpetuate himself, and maybe we fish a good variation of him out of that, etc. They already did parallel timeline BS, may as well lean into it instead of half-assing.||

[round token]

im looking at them on spotify right now

[shell widget]

WHAT

[honest solar]

someone wrote a fanfic where we went into chrono's subconscious and made him better with zag's memories run by run

[cloud saddle]

Yeah
There was no way the ||going against the gods|| thing was ever gonna work out in a roguelike like this though…

[lyric zenith]

Ig my issue w/ the current resolution is it ||lowers the stakes a lot, when the paths are inherently high-stakes w/ how the bosses are set up. Cerberus especially suffers from this, "he's just playing, lol."||

[shrewd geyser]

||He’s just having a good time *tormented by evil and damnable spirits night after night||

[lyric zenith]

I think there are ways they could write it, but it would definitely take a lot more work than other parts of the writing ||(probably why it didn't happen/things feel possible rushed)||.

[shell widget]

||good lord I forgot about the Cerberus explanation||

[jaunty basin]

there is

[cloud saddle]

||Honestly the Cerberus thing is the only thing out of the story I actively despise. The hell do you MEAN he’s just playing he’s covered in mourning shades that made him depressed and angry||

[elfin heron]

personally my biggest gripe with ending ||is that i could feel mels hatred death to chronos and all that in last runs was like i need to do it i need to do i need to do it eviscerate eviscerate eviscerate and then suddenly poof fizzle out ><||

[shrewd geyser]

And lava

[elfin heron]

also vor4 should be final bosses xd

[shell widget]

100% ||she trained for essentially her whole life to kill him and then she does a complete 180 in like 2 minutes||

[jaunty basin]

time capsule the current circumstances and similar to hades 1 "keep up appearances" but build towards a hades 3 with said going against the gods

[limpid stream]

Lol why am I getting ||gemstones|| all the sudden? I don’t have fear on

[novel turtle]

bone boost on weapons + an incantation, i cannot remember the name of it lmao

[honest solar]

bone boost

[shrewd geyser]

||I feel like for this to work, she would have to also live the alternate timeline that Zag and Chronos do. Have the feeling of growing up with a family and a doting grandfather. Otherwise I can’t see how she moves past this||

[limpid stream]

Oh this is my first time clearing a boss with my non-main weapon lol 💀

[cloud saddle]

||“I was trained my entire life to kill you, and suddenly you’re showing sympathy?!”||
||”i am grandpa sorry”||
||”Dohh… I can’t stay mad at you…”||

[shell widget]

So wait what’s the explanation for each one of the bosses continuing post game?

[shrewd geyser]

Hecate - Training
Scylla - Insane
Cerberus - Playtime
Chronos - ||Murder||

[jaunty basin]

"keeping the conditions as close to how they were before"

[lyric zenith]

||The surface bosses are just living their best lives, but they use the excuse that Mel needs to "retrace her steps" to perform multiverse time travel.||

[cloud saddle]

Hekate is still training you
The sirens just have beef
||Cerberus is “playing”||
||Chronos is just alt universe versions of himself||
||Poly wants sleep and also doesn’t wanna move out||
||Eris is mean||
||Prometheus still hates the gods||
||Typhon is also an alt universe||

[jolly wing]

If Silver is not available from Narcissus on Night 2, which is more helpful? 2 Fate Trimmings or 20 Psyche (40 with Sea Star)

[shrewd geyser]

Polyphemus - sleepy
Eris - twat
Prometheus - ||chronos told him to||
Typhon - ||murder||

[shell widget]

Tbf I haven’t completed the Scylla prophecy

[cloud saddle]

Also
I love the sirens because of how stupid the reason for the fight is
It’s just
“Hey can I pass”
“No”
“Why not”
“My indie band is gonna play rock music while I murder you on stage”

[shrewd geyser]

I am jealous of you but I am gonna say you’re jealous of me and murder you

[shell widget]

You’re good for business I guess

[cloud saddle]

They outwardly admit that business is actually better without you

[shell widget]

Damn okay

[cloud saddle]

They have literally no reason to fight
They just have the most 1 sided beef in history and I love it

[shrewd geyser]

Scylla wants it, there’s not a relationship bar but I can tell I’m at 19 hearts

[shell widget]

Lmao

[cloud saddle]

Scylla is leban confirmed?????

[shrewd geyser]

I really want to know what Scylla would say to Zag

[lyric zenith]

Oceanus is so peak, favorite area easily.

[jaunty basin]

I think it's Olympus for me

[cloud saddle]

The sirens are also my favorite boss conceptually
Cause it’s so creative but also so obvious to turn sirens into an indie rock band
Like
Genuinely such a good idea

That and all the boss music amazing

[shrewd geyser]

I think it’s tartarus for me

I miss Styx I like the concept of overcommitting for more rewards

[scenic storm]

Hey people, did the Great Trials get removed or did the unlock conditions change? Can't play them anymore...

[shrewd geyser]

Great chaos above and below? They still in the game

[cloud saddle]

Tartarus goes full on on the nostalgia bait in the best way possible
I love it so much

[lyric zenith]

They reworked the RNG of it really well, too.

No more radically inconsistent timing

[scenic storm]

Do I need to replay trials to get them? 'Cuz I'm done with the story but nope

[shrewd geyser]

Is your chaos relationship maxed?

[scenic storm]

Yep, since EA

[merry whale]

iirc u also need the epilogue

[cloud saddle]

I have 2 hearts on chaos and I unlocked them after just doing like 10 trials

[scenic storm]

also got it

[merry whale]

hold on lemme copy paste

Chaos Above/Below Requirements:
reached ending
unlocked all 25 arcana cards
have at least 25 max grasp
cleared 10+ surface runs
cleared 10+ underworld runs
unlocked all 24 aspects
have all 33 keepsakes
unlocked all 5 familiars

Greater Chaos Above/Below Requirements:
all of the above
cleared surface with at least 10 fear
cleared underworld with at least 10 fear

[lyric zenith]

All weapon aspects, ofc.?

[scenic storm]

Yep. I played them in EA.
Should I report it as a bug?

[shrewd geyser]

You have literally everything unlocked?

[scenic storm]

Missing Zag keepsake and some max relationships but essentially yes

[meager walrus]

Might be missing the new keepsakes

[shrewd geyser]

You will need the zag keepsake I believe then

[meager walrus]

Having all keepsakes is a requirement

[scenic storm]

Oh, right, makes sense! Thanks a lot!

[lyric zenith]

Team, how do I ||fight Zag|| more consistently?

||I get rolled by punishing sweep constantly, I don't really understand the correct dodge movement||

[shrewd geyser]

I’m not sure if there’s a way to increase him… die after location 2?

[cloud saddle]

Take Charon shops early whenever possible and pray to god

[lyric zenith]

I mean the fight itself, I'm ass at it

[vague siren]

i think the most health and mana you can start off with is about 150 mana and 120 health lol

[cloud saddle]

Oh uhhhh
Play like Theseus
And by that I mean play like a coward

[lyric zenith]

Should've phrased as ||beat Zag||

[shrewd geyser]

Oh in terms of actually fighting, ||play around pillars keep distance if you get hit with the cast, and don’t let him sweep you, quick ins and outs if you don’t have range||

[lyric zenith]

||The arena checks out.||

[shrewd geyser]

Regarding that arena ||has anyone got an adoring shade in there yet? I know the one at cerb but it’d be cool if after beating zag enough a little melinoe banner appears||

[cloud saddle]

Also
Charon is the best character in both games hands down
Mfw over 150 voice lines of just groaning

[vocal totem]

Does anyone know how to get the acceptance of another fate incantation? I have beat both surface and underworld runs 7+ times, have completed the Insight Into Offerings, Favored of All Keepsakes, and Spreading the Ashes incantations, and have the second Night's Champion statue. Is there anything else I can do or should I just keep praying to the Fates to give me it

[lyric zenith]

Real Hades fans know which exact groan is which dialogue.

[round token]

i hope we get charon as a romancable character in hades III

[cloud saddle]

Ong the fact that they recorded a different groan for each one proves just how polished the game is
Literally no one would notice or care if they just used the same groan

[novel turtle]

Me visiting Chaos for the third time in a run solely because I love them

[shrewd geyser]

I hope we get a Hades Idler game where you run shops as Charon

[hasty ocean]

I think as of 1.0 you need to get the epilogue too, like the one after the normal ending

[cloud saddle]

A minigame where you fight zag after he steals your money

[paper gull]

Does anyone know what exact dialogue|| Prometheus ||says to foward the ||seek us prophecy||? he has mentioned them once or twice but i havent seen the update for it yet

[cloud saddle]

Imagine if the aspect of Charon allowed you to have the same moves as Charon in his fight…
Someone make a mod of that

[shrewd geyser]

I really wish it was a big Oar

[cloud saddle]

Also
It was so cool when I realized that eris uses her aspect of the rifle in her fight
Like my jaw genuinely dropped when I realized and i thought it was so cool
YES I love nostalgia bait, now give me 10 more references to the first game

[vocal totem]

||So I have to find the Fates first? Got it||

[shrewd geyser]

eris has her aspect , did you notice Nemesis is also using hers

[cloud saddle]

WHAT

[shrewd geyser]

Look at nems sword

[cloud saddle]

Oh my god I’m an idiot
How did I never notice that

[shrewd geyser]

They stole zags infernal arms after he was kidnapped

[cloud saddle]

Thank you for bestowing this divine knowledge unto me, sir grassdew…

Also
Does Haphestus not have a chaos trial?
I have all keepsakes and weapons (including secret aspects) but I don’t see any chaos trials tied to him

[cunning warren]

Why do speedrunners skip Hades room

[craggy totem]

Hades room doesn't replace a chamber, it's an extra chamber. I'm sure that factors into things.

[cunning warren]

Ahhh I see so the same reason they don't go to non numbered rooms then?

[hasty ocean]

Each location visited increases the spawns in an encounter, including free rooms

Speedrunners take Medea's room last in Ephyra for similar reasons

[shrewd geyser]

Vow of hordes after I took 5 bonus rooms on Tartarus was insane

[hasty ocean]

If you're not speedrunning and take all the Tartarus side rooms like I do, the increased spawns becomes very noticeable

[cunning warren]

AHH that's interesting I never knew that, also I heard something about sniping Artemis? Is there like a way to spawn her ? I thought it was completely random

[cloud saddle]

It is random

[pallid cradle]

The game just taught me a valuable lesson about patience...

I took King's Ransom without double strike and the next Zeus boon gives me an epic double strike... My King's Ransom was +18

I'm pretty sure that's very close to 100% double strike

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah but there’s no way you lost that run surely

[pallid cradle]

Oh not even close, but it's simply the timing.

[shrewd geyser]

Time is oft unforgiving

[jaunty basin]

it's like how I always take Daedalus hammer first thing every fields room with one, and then get echo with the copy latest reward boon

[cloud saddle]

TIME CANNOT BE S-

[jaunty basin]

idk if she even can copy hammers but I wish and hope

[shrewd geyser]

She can, last reward

[novel turtle]

Getting the Glorious Disaster duo boon is going to be the death of me. It's the last one I need

[jaunty basin]

yeah I just keep messing it up then

[pallid cradle]

She can

[craggy totem]

I for one enjoy perusing Charon's wares at the final shop before Typhon, picking a Demeter boon, and then seeing her offer high-level Steady Growth.

[shrewd geyser]

I think I’ll take it!

[craggy totem]

I mean I guess maybe the elemental essence will be good for something 😂

[pallid cradle]

I'm taking it but not happily

[shrewd geyser]

When instead she could’ve given you a barrier that blocks the first instance of damage

[craggy totem]

It makes me go full Molly Grue I swear to god

[cloud saddle]

Why is it always in runs where I have like 3000 coins that charon’s last shop only has the membership card
But the second I only have like 300, he’s selling nightmare…

[smoky marsh]

Is there a way to increase the chances of seeing a ||infernal contract|| in the shop or is it completely random?

[shrewd geyser]

I really want a high fear run where I have 3k+ gold from Chronos keepsake and hermes legendary

[craggy totem]

Apparently they only show up in the ||mid-run shops||. But I don't think there's a way to increase the %chance

[shrewd geyser]

Mid run shops in the second location

[pallid cradle]

I get it in Erebus all the time.

[cloud saddle]

Nah they can spawn in the first and third too

[shrewd geyser]

Oh fr?

[smoky marsh]

I got my first in third location shop surface

[shrewd geyser]

I think I usually skip those shops so that’s prolly why

[pallid cradle]

I haven't seen it on the surface yet. Then again I don't really run the surface.

[smoky marsh]

Just wasn't sure if there was like a higher spawn rate with higher fear or something

[craggy totem]

That would be mean and funny.

[terse nymph]

Does "Proper Upbringing" only upgrade boons at time of activation? I think I just got bamboozled

[jaunty basin]

yes

[terse nymph]

why....

[pallid cradle]

Imagine it just spawn everytime if you're on higher fear.

[jaunty basin]

it does not make all boons you find be rare minimum, the reason is either poor coding or the devs disliking you specifically

[craggy totem]

It's Proper Upbringing, not Proper Continuing Education :p

[shrewd geyser]

Oo a piece of candy —- DIES

[pallid cradle]

That fight with pain 3...

[terse nymph]

At the very least the boon is poorly worded and I lost my 35% damage from uncommon grace

[jaunty basin]

lmao

[smoky marsh]

Would be fun and worth it, considering feee bonuses after completion

[shrewd geyser]

Get bridal glow and start praying my friend

[craggy totem]

Aint that much of a bonus tbqh

[terse nymph]

I got bridal glow. As a common

[craggy totem]

LOL

[jaunty basin]

Lmao

[shrewd geyser]

Narcissus keepsake

[jaunty basin]

the most run toss boon pick possible

[smoky marsh]

I just appreciate the call back to the first Hades

[terse nymph]

I thought it wasnt an issue to take that chaos curse reducing everything to common for 3 encounters because upbringing would upgrade them

[craggy totem]

Make sure to switch before you drink tho

[pallid cradle]

Hitting bridal glow with the vial sounds like the worst use of a vial ever

[terse nymph]

But apparently you cant cheat chaos like that

[shrewd geyser]

I love turning chaos into gold

[terse nymph]

Wanna know the best part? Bridal Glow hit uncommon grace, so I just lost the entire effect

[pallid cradle]

I prefer turning gold into chaos

[shrewd geyser]

A tragedy of errors

[craggy totem]

I was about to make a joke about Chaos, but then I realized that oddly enough, Chaos Hadesgame is more of a True Neutral or Lawful Neutral.

Weird, isn't it?

[lost arch]

what is the best weapon in the game when it comes to consistency with higher fear runs (ik that all weapons are relatively consistent with a good build on no fear)

[shrewd geyser]

Medea but it is high skill, for more accessible try the staff Mel aspect or Circe

[craggy totem]

Huh? What did I say 🤔 uhhhhh

Let me see: "Staff feels so slow to me, not in a speedrunning sense but like the enemies are too fast for me and gonna overwhelm me, what's the trick"

[shrewd geyser]

Distance and good usage of your cast

[craggy totem]

I guess I do get nervous when I have to maintain distance; I worry about that distance getting closed 😅

[lost arch]

in your opinion what is the worst weapon for the same purpose

[shrewd geyser]

That’s what the cast is for, retreat behind it and it will take mobs a long time to fight through the slow

[shrewd geyser]

The worst high fear weapon? Probably one of the black coats imo

Like Mel black coat I just don’t feel it

[terse nymph]

oh my god I purged both my common boons at the fountain

[lost arch]

last question where on that scale are moros torches as in are they on the worse or better side

[shrewd geyser]

Moros torches are fantastic, good choice if you can play well while channeling

[lost arch]

out of the base weapons torches are my favorite and moros torches felt rly good to use

[jaunty basin]

"its so over" "were so back"

[tranquil wren]

I used moros for anything challenging in this game like the third statue or rivals4

[shrewd geyser]

Yeah moros torches are very good, I also really like Eos the daybreak in feels very strong

[jaunty basin]

I personally am torn on eos vs moros torches, I think moros are stronger but a good eos build you activate Oattack then Ospecial then the encounter ends

[lost arch]

i assume the moros torches are more consistent considering how absurdly powerful they are early on

[jaunty basin]

indeed

[shrewd geyser]

Yes, they don’t require as much to make a good build as Eos

[lost arch]

also is hera attack zeus special and hera regen a good build for moros

[tranquil wren]

yea that's one of the best builds for it

[shrewd geyser]

I see nothing wrong with it, Hera and zeus are really good and you’ll be keeping orig up

[lost arch]

i meant hestia not hera for the regen

[tranquil wren]

oh
both gain boons are fine but I think people prefer hera's

[shrewd geyser]

Yes hestia will be good with that since you are hitting a lot

[proud pumice]

Dang it seems like the most used wiki is on Fandom :(

[lost arch]

i prefer hestia bc its infinite

[tranquil wren]

unfortunately fandom is better at SEO

[shrewd geyser]

I honestly don’t like Hera’s regen

[tranquil wren]

yeah same. hera's is fine but I hate the feeling of needing to constantly up your max magick

[shrewd geyser]

It’s burned me more times than I’ve found myself appreciating it

[tranquil wren]

I know 200+ is probably fine for most things but you can still prime out if you're unlucky

[shrewd geyser]

I primed out in VoR Scylla and was not happy

[lost arch]

ive never used it honestly bc it not being an infinite source of magick is bad for more magick intensive builds like moros torches for example

[proud pumice]

Not always the case. For example for the game Sulfur the wiki.gg shows before Fandom.

[tranquil wren]

ah nice

on my 32F UW run I had aphrodite's gain boon and that was great for both magick regen and one half of origination

[lost arch]

i dont use aphrodite regen so i dont rly know how strong it is bc its range limited

[shrewd geyser]

Its weapon dependent, with Moros you’d likely be in range

[lost arch]

i get hestia anyway bc i like the hestia hera duo boon

[tranquil wren]

tbf I think any gain boon works well for me since I also have the magick regen arcana. I think a lot of people hate that card though since it's so expensive

[shrewd geyser]

lol same I don’t like taking that one off

[final fossil]

Fastest way to farm bones and Sdust? Trying to go for postgame relationships

[lost arch]

i wouldnt take of boatman for that

[tranquil wren]

I have both

[shrewd geyser]

I don’t need boatman, I just use ||chronos keepsake|| in L2

[tranquil wren]

chaos trials

[lost arch]

there isnt anything else i could rly take off since i want to use queen and im not taking origination off

[tranquil wren]

actually tbf I don't normally have boatman, I only used it on my third statue attempts because of convenience fee

[final fossil]

Figures, didnt know Sdust and bones are a bottleneck

[shrewd geyser]

Actually I had to Fig Leaf L2 in my 32F run

[wooden spire]

stupid VoR Eris summon just stay in the fire and take no damage broth I CANT REACH YOU 😭

[shrewd geyser]

Start spamming that ranged option, basically every weapon has one

[wooden spire]

I was playing supay

[turbid walrus]

Question, if I unlock born to win prophecy in Erebus with the embryo, can I just keep it till the end, win, and complete it?

[shrewd geyser]

I was about to say Nergal and Supay are screwed lol