h2-discussion

[buoyant elbow]

No the Triad

[devout cairn]

If you go through rooms without encounters it resets. Also you need to die at the 3rd death, not 4th

[jaunty night]

how do i get to know him, just fight him a bunch?

[prisma monolith]

Yup

[tidal heron]

what? 3rd death? Ohhh

[prisma monolith]

I died in the 4th room

[devout cairn]

I died in 3rd

[pallid cradle]

I am so not looking forward to having to do the Moros keepsake thing. Idk why they thought that sounded fun.

[prisma monolith]

I died 3 times then returned on the 4th

[prisma monolith]

Its so unnecessarily stupid, that did bother me

[tidal heron]

I just four times were in ocean to four times for nothing

[rose canyon]

1.0 tomorrow

[buoyant elbow]

Yeah I don’t really understand the point of doing it three times in a row.

[prisma monolith]

Amir really was haha yeah 3 times, that's gonna tickle their fancy

[devout cairn]

One for each sister, it's like poetry, it rhymes

[prisma monolith]

Its stupid

[buoyant elbow]

lol like once is enough honestly. Use the aspects find the fates call it a day

[prisma monolith]

Im already throwing the run, dont make it more annoying

[buoyant elbow]

That’s the thing. It’s one of the last things you’re probably gonna do in the game so why make it so redundant

[sharp cosmos]

They made bosses immune to Demeter's Legendary OS ? Gee, Grandma can't catch a break

[quaint pilot]

You need to ||die in the 4th room, basically trigger it 3 times in a row and die in the 4th|| all in a row

[tall lichen]

how do you dodge that one ||charybdis|| tracking shot attack

[tidal heron]

Okay

[devout cairn]

I'm 90% sure I killed Cerberus with it

[sharp cosmos]

Run away from the projectile, then when it fragments run into the middle of it

[buoyant elbow]

Run to the edge of the map. They blow up after a while

[pallid cradle]

I don't mind that it's a little more intuitive than just throwing nectar and ambrosia at everyone until we have a grand party but this just feels like a chore checklist. I couldn't progress the stage I was on for so many runs because I was on Hecate's final gift and she mysteriously wasn't at her cauldron or had dialogue with other characters that prevented me from gifting her for like 6 runs.

[sharp cosmos]

Prometheus just got immunized against it

[quaint pilot]

Just be mindful how many mobs are left in the room each time as you do want to clear them in 10 seconds

[tidal heron]

Thanks!

[prisma monolith]

Run

[prisma monolith]

Or just run death, ez

[pallid cradle]

Tbh when I get that objective I might just take off the +health/magick arcana and run death.

[teal storm]

Can the judgement card activate other 0-cost cards? And would they need to meet their awakening reqs?

[pallid cradle]

Play Erebus like a sensible human being for once.

[woeful oriole]

did they remove meat grinder in 1.0 I swear I can't find this boon anymore

[prisma monolith]

Yes they just activate like normal cards, no requisites

[quaint pilot]

It’s still there

[pallid cradle]

Ares offers 3 boons.

2 that you specifically don't want and a plasma drop boon that no one wants.

[quaint pilot]

Why wouldn’t you want plasma?

[woeful oriole]

I feel like ares was really good in the patch he was introduced in and now kinda sucks

[prisma monolith]

Because is bad at best

[woeful oriole]

did he get nerfed or something

[prisma monolith]

Plasma did get nerfed by capping the speed, and people were mostly hyped about 1, new god, 2 a returning loved character

[quaint pilot]

Clearly ridiculous, works amazing if you are with ardent skull or umbral flames

Especially with ares legendary

[prisma monolith]

#ReturnOldAresGain

[woeful oriole]

also I keep forgetting it's called plasma now, I feel like blood drops really did make more sense

[prisma monolith]

Yeah wtf the godnfo war be doing with plasma

[pallid cradle]

If I take Ares at this point I want his attack then grievous blow and I'm not taking another Ares door unless I don't have another option.

[prisma monolith]

I know I'm probably alone here, but I really liked his gain, truly free infinite mana, better than hera gain even

[tall lichen]

it's blood plasma 🤓 ☝️

[slender geode]

Plasma is a component of blood.

[brazen wolf]

How in the world do you see the boons each person can give you like you can in hades 1 😭

[prisma monolith]

Do i look like a scientist to you?

[slender geode]

There's an incantation.

[pallid cradle]

I'm not totally against the gain. I played Antler like 95% of the time tho when he had that gain so I never took it.

[quaint pilot]

I would highly recommend to complete all Chaos Trials. It really teaches you all the metas and weapons across various boon variations. There are no bad choices if you exploit synergies with any of the combinations…. Even Demeter’s lackluster freeze attacks aren’t that bad

[prisma monolith]

Ehhhh, forced stuff doesn't really teach much imo

[dark plume]

How do i unlock that incantation? wiki requirement seems wrong

[prisma monolith]

Gift all god's once or twice

[grave kite]

Do you think we will get a hades 3

[pallid cradle]

Chaos trials forcing you to play with bad builds just teaches you what to avoid.

[verbal rampart]

The wiki requirements are right except for one thing : you need to gift Nectar to Ares

[woeful oriole]

bait

[dense lion]

doubt

[prisma monolith]

Grow up

[woeful oriole]

also I forgot if you never got hit and primed the hp does it get refunded next room

[prisma monolith]

Yes of course

[jaunty night]

if i uneqip ||jeweled pom do i keep the hades boon||

[prisma monolith]

Same as hera gain

[prisma monolith]

Yes and the +levels

[teal zephyr]

RAHHHHHHHHHHH just beat rivals Chronos

[jaunty night]

considering greek mythology, zag and mel can just have a kid for the next protagonist

[quaint pilot]

I completed all of them, before that I mainly only used sister blades only for everything almost. Even for 32 heat runs. After Chaos trials I’ve embraced everything else, had fun with Anubis, Nyx, Persephone, Supay, Nergal… every weapon and boons eventually… (yes I did all the achievements)

[verbal rampart]

Go boast your victory!

[teal zephyr]

3rd or 4th attempt I think.. but man the 3rd phase was definitely the easiest imo

[quaint pilot]

Yes, you can even have ||2 hades boons if you do it before Tartarus||

[jaunty night]

sweet

wow i got old grudge -_-

[woeful oriole]

wait what? 3rd is the one I struggle with the most since 1 and 2 are just enhanced versions of the original, and I fought the original like 50 times

[wide osprey]

hey uh
so Im going for a charon axe build
Ik gyser spout is great but what is the main cast I should do?
usually I go
poseidon main cast
zeus thunder lance
gyser spout
meat grinder
artic gale
and ares special

should I maybe replace poseidon main cast with heph?

[jaunty basin]

no

[pallid cradle]

I've completed 32 Fear with every aspect

[hallow vault]

I put on Hephestus Keepsake

[pallid cradle]

I don't need to see what they look like with bad builds. I know what they look like with good ones.

[hallow vault]

AND ZEUS BEING ZEUS FORCES HIMSELF IN AS THE FIRST WITHOUT CONSENT

[wide osprey]

then what should be my main cast?

[teal zephyr]

There is a lot of space to run around and he leaves a lot of openings after attacking, 2nd phase is really cramped and a lot of stuff going on on the screen for example

[quaint pilot]

You don’t get the point here that Hades is all about learning and overcoming your challenges and difficulties… I’m just simply trying to emphasise that there aren’t really non winnable fights with anything once you gain your skill in the game

[radiant crag]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/1233146305308528650/1424770922430074983
I managed to get Giga Cleaver Exceptional Talent on Charon, 4 Omega Cast explosions in succession, absolutely wicked

with Geyser Spout too

[prisma monolith]

Most people dont wanna hear this, but charon is actually a special aspect

Your special is the bread and butter

[brazen wolf]

I hate that you're right

[wide osprey]

hot take
charon should be the hidden aspect considering how broken it is
also did they nerf Hel???
it feels so much weaker for some reason

[teal zephyr]

Anything works on the cast, preferably something that spreads a curse but anything can work really

[sharp nymph]

When using Charon is it Ur special then u wanna focus on ?

[prisma monolith]

Charon has the default moveset tho

[pallid cradle]

Idk how many times we have to repeat this line, but SGG does a very good job keeping that specific part of Greek mythology out of their game so I doubt it would happen.

[wide osprey]

true
but the power it has
oh my god

[prisma monolith]

[sharp nymph]

I also read that stuff like Hestia or zues isn't good on cast

[prisma monolith]

Hidden aspect isn't about being good lol, just different

[sharp nymph]

When using charon

[pallid cradle]

Also, after the way Hades 2 story ended. I don't want a Hades 3.

[prisma monolith]

Because you can throw your cast

[devout cairn]

I do, it's time to throw hands with Jesus

[radiant crag]

zeus is better if you manage to get apollo legendary or giga cleaver, since his ranged cast is instant i think

[prisma monolith]

You want their throwy thing, not the Cast, their cast requires you to leave on the ground for power

[jaunty night]

ye they did a great job removing elements that have become problematic in the thousands of years since the myths were made

[pallid cradle]

If I want to throw hands with every god under the sun, I'll just play the game that my pfp is from.

[sharp nymph]

I've been using pos cast with Hera special

[prisma monolith]

Charon doesn't wanna do that, charon wants to insta detonate it

[radiant crag]

hestia's is slower so you can't double trigger

[sharp nymph]

But been buffing my cast a lot, but I should focus on special ? I'll try it next run

[radiant crag]

Heph's works a lot better than one might think btw, the Anvil Ring keeps going after the explosion

[devout cairn]

hank hill takes on Thor?

[serene helm]

I got the incantation to proclaim at the taverna (bartender shade) but I have no idea what that actually does?

[pallid cradle]

... I mean he could.

[timid mason]

Hello, what's the version number of the full release version? want to double check my copy.

[radiant crag]

afaik prestige levels, which do nothing

[sharp nymph]

Doesn't do anything just prestige ranks

[radiant crag]

just a badge

[verbal rampart]

How do you get this incantation?

[twin rivet]

I just pacified the supportive shade?

[serene helm]

@verbal rampart I think Hecate gave me the recipe after beating the underworld like 2-3 times after completing the main story. I’m not sure if I did anything else to trigger it.

[verbal rampart]

Thanks still for telling me

[dull spindle]

I can’t wait to see if this story is buns as everyone is saying

[honest solar]

are the companions in hades 1 the godsent hexes in hades 2

[twin rivet]

I'm not finished yet but it already seems kinda lame ngl

[pallid cradle]

The ending annoyed me because I knew a certain character was gonna find a way to ruin the story and my god that specific character went 2018 LeBron and did it at a legendary level.

[honest solar]

damned if you damned if you dont

[twin rivet]

Who do you mean

[pallid cradle]

||Zagreus||

Click at your own risk, bro

[honest solar]

how do you get ||gigaros dash||

[devout cairn]

hades boon

[pallid cradle]

Hades boon. Take the NPC door in Tartarus.

[prisma monolith]

Late game resource dump

[prisma monolith]

THATS BECAUSE HES THE GOAT, THE GOAT!! 🐐

[honest solar]

boated got it starting in erberus

[prisma monolith]

||hades keepsake||

[verbal rampart]

I'm sorry but the way ||Zagreus behaves at the end of Hades 2 is far from goat-ed. He simply steals the decision to Melinoe.||

[serene helm]

Crap I wasted like 2,000 shades… could have decorated the crossroads lol

[prisma monolith]

He did in fact steal it, because hes the goat

Clearly supergiant's favorite, and I'm not complaining

[verbal rampart]

Maybe, but here's my point : ||we're talking about Hades 2. Not Hades 1. He is NOT the main character||

[prisma monolith]

Idc, hes the goat

[verbal rampart]

I wonder what reactions you would got if you posted this opinion in #h2-story-discussion

[prisma monolith]

That's why I dont go there

You're not allowed to have an opinion in there

[verbal rampart]

I'm sorry, you perfectly are allowed. Initially, I liked the ending and I was not yelled at for it

[prisma monolith]

I was, hell you even pointed it out as a joke

[verbal rampart]

It's just that due to the rule of free speech, expressing an opinion gives the other the right to answer

[prisma monolith]

You're sending me there for a reason

[verbal rampart]

Morbid curiosity

[prisma monolith]

Answer requires a question, idc what anyone else thinks, I liked the ending

Im not trying to convince anyone

[honest solar]

can someone suggest me a fun build

i have every aspect

[prisma monolith]

Get the ap2 mod go buck wild

[hasty ocean]

free speech in a video game discord... anyway, the ending left a strong first impression but the more I think about it the less I like it ||(and yeah, it absolutely sucks that it was basically "the hero from the first game shows up and fixes everything")||

[prisma monolith]

HES MY GOAT

Main character 2 games 🤗🤗🐐🐐

[twin rivet]

Zagreus just mentioned Hades' chambers are off-limit but doesn't he gain access eventually in H1?

[wispy storm]

Hey Chat if you decide to equip Athena's keepsake while the run has ||Bejewelled Pom|| in 4th zone anyone know what happens to your ||Hades|| boon and boon levels?

[verbal rampart]

I'll always support the basic rules of polite speech, even in a game Discord. Idc what other servers are like, we should behave like a proper democracy here.

[wispy storm]

Yeah I did notice that too

[hasty ocean]

Athena's keepsake doesn't deactivate Fates' Whim, go ahead and put it on

[wispy storm]

huh?

[prisma monolith]

Yes it does

[hasty ocean]

wait really? have I never noticed because I always equip it in region 4 where it's no longer important?

[prisma monolith]

...\

people just be spreading missinformation left and right

[pallid cradle]

Keepsake you'll get later

[wispy storm]

well no need to make it like that, they only misremembered something small about an optimization

[prisma monolith]

i dont actually know so ima say yes just cause

i need a ||champion of elysium|| plushie

on that note when we getting actual good merch like in h1, i want shirts/hhoodies

[twin rivet]

Why do daggers suck man

[prisma monolith]

they dont suck, other weapons are just stronger

[pulsar glacier]

sometimes|| Chronos red area of doom (or rather the safe spot)|| is [REDACTED] >_> clearly standing in it -> rip

[prisma monolith]

xd

[fathom lake]

Aspect of persephone and Hades Keepsake its the funniest build in the game

[prisma monolith]

my personal fav atm

[twin rivet]

If they're the worst aspects (apart from Morrigan) they suck

[pulsar glacier]

cant wait to unlock them, finally I wont feel bad anymore for being too lazy to make an actual build and just roll with it

[prisma monolith]

one weapon will always be the worst, you just cant escape the cycle

[twin rivet]

I hate how they completely killed off Pan aspect

[prisma monolith]

if they buff daggers then another will become the worst

[quaint pilot]

You don’t lose ||Hades boon if you replace the Pom with Athena at Fates Whim||

[prisma monolith]

but you lose the fates whim status and future poms

[twin rivet]

Pan used to be good
Genuinely if they buffed Pan to early acces mode again I wouldn't complain because all weapons would have 2 viable aspects

[toxic apex]

been working on the last few fated prophecies
am I missing something on ||barred fangs||, or am I just unlucky?
Can't get the ||burrower perk|| to show up.
despite ||many runs with both ranks of that vow||

[devout cairn]

viable where? 50F runs?

[twin rivet]

Some perks are surface/underworld exclusive

[blissful wing]

I've been playing Hades 2 since early access and I started a new run when 1.0 came out but I noticed that I'm not getting any trial of the gods rooms anymore (rooms where you can get 2 boons and the god you don't pick gets mad). Was this a patch that I missed or is something weird with my save where I haven't run into one of these rooms a single time? I've gotten quite far on this save now (105 nights in and I have found the fates)

[buoyant matrix]

higher

[quaint pilot]

So? You know there are diminishing returns, obviously Hades 2 is more designed with the mindset of changing your keepsakes, Hades1 was all about lambent plume or Bouldy in the end which is bad…. Now you can change at your like in the run with no disadvantage, only disadvantage you have if you don’t synergise your nights…

[toxic apex]

gotcha
||Burrower: Only shows up in Erebus and the Fields. ||

[prisma monolith]

diminishing returns or not is irrelevant, gorgon amulet does deactivate fates whim, period

[quaint pilot]

You get the poms from arcana, Echo and Nectar….

[prisma monolith]

ok that wasnt the question

[quaint pilot]

I only talked about Hades Boon

[prisma monolith]

and i talked about the rest

[quaint pilot]

That wasn’t the question either

[prisma monolith]

someone said gorgon amulet doesnt deactivate fates whim, i said it does

idc about hades boon

[naive wagon]

Gang, since it seems you all are talking late game stuff - why ||cant I pause on EM4 typhon? Do I need another incantation for that?||

[violet matrix]

about the fair fight achievement, question here :

nemesis can challenge me to kill monsters in other regions rather than fields?
if she shows up at erebus, can she show up later in the run in oceanus / fields too?

[quaint pilot]

This was the original question

[placid spruce]

Im sorry but prometheus last giant outside of the arena move is too much too ask for my brain😭

[buoyant matrix]

yeah chronos does that, check the cauldron

[prisma monolith]

and this is what i replied to

[naive wagon]

I did get the first level of that incantation, is there a 2nd one after ||EM4||?

[devout cairn]

last giant what

[quaint pilot]

She can show up everywhere

[placid spruce]

Where the ground lights up in patterns before giant flames coming in

[violet matrix]

yes, but can she show up multiple times in the same run?

[devout cairn]

the memory game? Just pause the game

[buoyant matrix]

there's an incantation that makes chronos susceptible to time slowing effects and a different one that lets you pause in UR4

[placid spruce]

I didnt think of that lmao

[quaint pilot]

So you never replied to OP’s original question…

[naive wagon]

I guess I need to do Chronos in UR4 first to unlock it then

[buoyant matrix]

you can also immediately stand in the first safe zone and only memorize 4 spots

[prisma monolith]

ok? do i have to reply to every message that is posted?

i replied to the one i cared to correct

[wispy storm]

thanks this is one of the things i was wondering about! (makes sense you lose future poms but having ||gigaros dash|| everywhere was something i didn't wanna risk not being able to experience till the end xD)

[fathom lake]

Gigaros Dash my bloved

[quaint pilot]

Easy, you can even have 2 Hades boons as well 🙂

[wispy storm]

also, it's nbd if some of us want to be thorough or prioritize certain details in our heads, i was just curious about the interaction as a whole and value all additions

[twin rivet]

Boated 67 fear run doesn't count because he used OP keepsake

Damn no one fell for the bait

[buoyant matrix]

it's balanced

[prisma monolith]

bait used to be believable gif

[twin rivet]

Idk it looked pretty broken on max fear
Basically gave him a huge headstart for timer

[fathom lake]

In this logic
All Hades 64 Heat with Zeus build are illegal

[devout cairn]

67fear deserves it

[prisma monolith]

max fear doesnt stop you from using god keepsakes, so thats still a negative

[twin rivet]

Wellllll...

[prisma monolith]

it looked broken because boated is the goat and he made it work

[devout cairn]

that's why he's the boat

[prisma monolith]

try doing it yourself see how far that broken takes you

[twin rivet]

Second room

They should add a fear option that disables armor or dodge chance, that'd be funny

[prisma monolith]

hilarious even

[buoyant matrix]

it looked broken because boated used mel staff bruh that aspect broken af bruh fr fr 🙄

[prisma monolith]

they should add ap2
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[rose canyon]

"There is not time enough this night to invite Character for an outing"
Never saw this message before lol

[buoyant matrix]

how about the remove YOU huh how about that

[tranquil wren]

what is ap2

[prisma monolith]

h1 players' worst nightmare

[buoyant matrix]

approval "screw you 🫵😂" process

[tranquil wren]

oh right

[twin rivet]

How did he get so much damage with it though? I tried blitz attack and special % but it didn't do that much

[prisma monolith]

double especial

[buoyant matrix]

decent damage rotation, good hammers, bridal glow'd heph special

[twin rivet]

Just take that one Chaos curse easy

[prisma monolith]

i modded it bro, i dont need no chaos curse

[twin rivet]

Jezus are you a masochist

[prisma monolith]

nah i just like working for my wins, not just "i won cause i had an op build"

[scarlet prairie]

Approval Process 2 was a dark time.

[twin rivet]

When's 67 surface gonna be cleared though

[scarlet prairie]

I think it already was in EA?

[prisma monolith]

next week probs, give boated time to do homework

[buoyant matrix]

foolish had an attempt make it to typhon but died because lack of practice

[twin rivet]

Nah let him play Silksong

[prisma monolith]

ew

[twin rivet]

Was it with Medea again

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[twin rivet]

If we don't factor in RNG, is 64 heat or 67 fear harder

[buoyant matrix]

67 by a long shot

hades 2 requires significantly more mechanical skills at the higher fear levels

the big reduction in rng is why you see so many runs being won

[prisma monolith]

^

ap2 made h1 almost impossible but without that max heat is easier than max fear

[twin rivet]

'So many' = 2

[buoyant matrix]

we have three 67 wins by now, one in ea and two done less than a month after 1.0

[twin rivet]

Oh who cleared it

[buoyant matrix]

the first 64 in h1 took ages and it was modded

[prisma monolith]

angel

[buoyant matrix]

foolish did another underworld medea for who knows why 😂

[prisma monolith]

or was angel unmodded

[twin rivet]

Damn

[buoyant matrix]

angel had done it modded a while before

[prisma monolith]

ah

oops stinky reply

[wide briar]

Hello, I have a problem. Either Chronos doesn't appear, or I'm not allowed to give him nectar. This is at least the tenth run I've done since the end of the game. This prevents me from unlocking the epilogue. Has anyone else had the same problem?

[buoyant matrix]

not sure who the first ever modded win was

[twin rivet]

I wanna see a H2 67 fear AP2 run then hehehe

[prisma monolith]

ill do it

[ionic furnace]

holy i just managed to beat Prometheus with 1 hp left

[buoyant matrix]

well you get 5 extra fear so you can drop void 😂

[devout cairn]

Just bad luck, you are trying to find him right after Hecate, right?

[prisma monolith]

ill drop the timer

[wide briar]

i have tried both in hell and the surface

And he does'nt appeared in the last 5 runs lol ...

[prisma monolith]

underworld is almost guaranteed

[devout cairn]

when you say hell, you mean tartarus or underworld?

anyways just keep trying he will appear eventually

[wide briar]

Tartarus. Sorry i play in french and my english is bearly ok.

[wide briar]

Ok thanks

[violet matrix]

go underworld, after erebus is almost guarantee that he will show up

if you want to max affinity with him, go till there, die, and repeat, easiest way

[wide briar]

May i reset the run if he does not appear ? or is it a bad idea ?

[twin rivet]

I just gained 'silver status' with Charon. What does that do?

[violet matrix]

just die at oceanus and do it again

[wide briar]

oki doki, thanks

[devout cairn]

yeah die in oceanus

[sharp cosmos]

Since the goalpost to get the chaos trials and their associated prophecy have moved between EA and 1.0, I've now completed 3 of the 4 chaos trials, yet am at 0/2 for the list. Should I bother reporting the bug or nah, given how specific it is ?

[buoyant matrix]

you have to do the same one twice in a row

[sharp cosmos]

Well, one could say that the wording of the prophecy is incredibly unclear about it then

[prisma monolith]

make sure you die

[buoyant matrix]

correct, we complained about it a lot in ea

[little mason]

You cant die inbetween runs

[scarlet prairie]

We complained about a lot of things in EA.....

[little mason]

put it in feedback

[sharp cosmos]

As long as it's justified and not just whining, it's fine to complain, imo

[still dagger]

got my second waking phase!

[sharp cosmos]

Congrats ! Which weapon ?

[little mason]

hopefully the worst one

[still dagger]

black coat. I got the the waking phase for lim and oros too

lim and oros I can see the aspect but haven't unlocked it. haven't seen what's black coat's

[twin rivet]

Lim and Oros is nice

[still dagger]

did we also have to unlock hidden aspects twice in h1?

[atomic river]

i love base mel staff i just beat rivals chronos first try with it freezer burn with zeus static shock electric overload so fun

[sharp cosmos]

One could argue you are in for a downgrade. But the black coat hidden aspect is very peculiar, and very clivant I feel

[honest solar]

can someone give me a fear guide, a best build or anything

[still dagger]

clivant?

[twin rivet]

Look up Boated

[prisma monolith]

THE GOATED

[sharp cosmos]

Oh wait, it might be another case of "I thought this word was transparent, but the only transparent thing's my brain given how stupid i am"

Yep, here it is, the correct translation is polarizing

[scarlet prairie]

I conplained a lot about the Strength nerf......

[prisma monolith]

strenght is fine, still strong

[little mason]

im glad they nerfed it

[twin rivet]

I wish they buffed Pan some more and made Unseen or Excellence good

[little mason]

unseen is the most op arcana ?????

[scarlet prairie]

If you're just going for statues, do something like Timer 2/Rivals 2-3/Hubris 2/Frenzy 1-2/Debt 2/Scars 1/Menace 2/Return 1-2/Shadow/Fangs 1.

[scarlet prairie]

Is this bait.

[thick coral]

its ok, but its just a quality of life card imo

[covert badge]

dashing cancels o.special is kinda stinky for sure

[scarlet prairie]

Pan was good, they should have unnerfed it.

[little mason]

why would you dash ?

[quasi sun]

most op because number go brrrr would be my only guess even though I've never been able to meaningfully spend magick that fast

[twin rivet]

To not take damage

[little mason]

just kill them before they attack?

[scarlet prairie]

You can use magick fast enough to want fast magick regen... but then Unseen would not be doing anything 90% of the time since it doesn't regen while you charge Omegas.

[thick coral]

well thats new information, didnt know it does not regen when charging omegas

[scarlet prairie]

That and it being 5 grasp is why it's so bad.

[bronze stream]

it seems revealing about the overall combat system that both the non-hidden daggers and non-hidden coats are usually considered on the lower end of the tier list

[twin rivet]

Melee = ouch = bad experience

[scarlet prairie]

Nyx and Selene are like. Fine. Mel is just outclassed.

[little mason]

torches crit best

[thick coral]

idk about being so bad, but there are def better options for that kind of grasp, i really liked it for something like the aspect of moros

[twin rivet]

Meanwhile Pan and Artemis

[thick coral]

now that i think about it, i kinda understand why its sometimes good and sometimes not

[scarlet prairie]

The issue is most regens do fine. Cardio Gain, Born Gain, Tranquil Gain, Lucid Gain, even something like Ionic Gain can be pretty alright.

[bronze stream]

and i feel like morrigan is better specifically because its just a bigger dagger lol

[little mason]

10% crit torch vs artemis crit only sometimes every 12 seconds lol

[wispy storm]

Stupid question, is it possible to lock yourself out of springs/pier/taverna meetings by gifting too much nectar to crossroads residents?

[thick coral]

i love cardio gain

[scarlet prairie]

Sighing and looking out the window thinking about EA Pan like I'm the wife of a WW1 solider knowing he's probably dying out there.

[thick coral]

since we're taking about magisk regen, whats arguably the best one

[scarlet prairie]

Born. Not even close.

[little mason]

artemis should of had like a 8 second cooldown

[scarlet prairie]

If you need a Magick Battery, you pick Born every single time because it's ridiculous.

[jaunty marsh]

It's Born, but I prefer Cardio Gain

[wispy storm]

it's pretty close imo, and born is the only magick gain that eventually runs out

[bronze stream]

cardio gain is probably better for specific builds where you're always whacking guys fast

[thick coral]

i liked cardio gain more than born for some of the dagger builds tbh

[wispy storm]

it lasts crazy long for automatic addition, but at the cost of not being infinite

[scarlet prairie]

It can run out but you would have to have so little magick for it to run out in a reasonable amount of time I'd wonder why you're using Omegas at all.

[brazen wolf]

I kinda like tranquil

[little mason]

born again i only good for that duo that does damage per regen

[twin rivet]

It kinda is though

[brazen wolf]

Give it like maybe two or 3 levels and tranquil even at common rarity is insane

[noble egret]

no stop only go

[wispy storm]

Like ionic gain scales crazily

[little mason]

cardio gain is the only mana regen other then posiden to gain mana during attacks

[wispy storm]

it heals full magick no matter how much you have, at the cost of the tiniest of interactions

[noble egret]

apollo's one is also good

[brazen wolf]

True

[wispy storm]

apollo's one is crazy good

[little mason]

yeyefree casts

[scarlet prairie]

You're gonna be forced to take a magick tonic or two probably throughout the run anyway, or bones or whatever, so you'll probably have close to 150 Magick which leaves you with.... 150 + 130 + 110 + 90 + 70 + 50 + 30 + 10 = 640 Magick.

And that's a common, level 1 born gain.

[unique onyx]

Technically yes but practically no. The amount of total magic is quadratic in your base magic

[jaunty marsh]

Ok but Hera is rude and catty and Hestia is nice

[little mason]

circe with lucid

[brazen wolf]

[scarlet prairie]

If you need to burn 640 magick.... what is going on.

[bronze stream]

ionic gain is fine but being forced to move to a specific spot on the map can be A Problem. depends on the fear situation imo.

[thick coral]

i think its pretty easy to burn 640 with aspect of moros tho?

[wispy storm]

guys i understand it just as well as you do but any number you get from born gain is high, not infinite

[bronze stream]

why do you need infinite mana

[scarlet prairie]

Well you don't ever need infinite magick.

[wispy storm]

I'm attacking the enemy??? to damage them?????

[little mason]

its infinite if you can upgrade it to 1 mana a refill

[unique onyx]

In practice it’s much easier to burn by not having enough magic per second

[bronze stream]

if you're talking about like grit and hordes then idk i dont do that

[scarlet prairie]

I do not think I have ever used 640 magick in a single fight in this game and I've cleared with things like Moros and Shiva, so.....

[unique onyx]

Than actually using all your born gain. Though I do agree that torches are the closest to having a case for using hestia over born

[noble egret]

bring back unnerfed born gain 😛

[brazen wolf]

What's a cracked build I should attempt :P

How much do I want to break the game? Yes.

[thick coral]

aspect of moros or medea.

[unique onyx]

Eh if you get fine line on torches you can prob max out the born gain

[scarlet prairie]

It's technically not infinite, but you would have to majorly be overspending for it to ever be an issue...

[little mason]

upgrade cardio gan to like 15 mana an attack ur golden

[brazen wolf]

I have many times

[scarlet prairie]

Then get one more Magick tonic and get 820 magick.

[unique onyx]

The thing is if you’re not using fine line on torches born gain is fine, if you are you might have to worry about it

[thick coral]

honestly even 10 can be really good depending on the weapon you use

[little mason]

torches is cardio gain

[bronze stream]

fine line possessed array is a case where you at least have to think about whether you're going to prime out

[scarlet prairie]

By the time you reach 200 magick you have over 1k with common level 1 born gain....

[hasty ocean]

Just get more magick pots, or pick the Silver Wheel

[gleaming parrot]

I've run out with Born Gain on early floors with Supay and Shiva

[bronze stream]

yeah i think early in the run is the biggest risk

[gleaming parrot]

It normally is infinite, but there are definitely edge cases where you take it too early in something Magick hungry

[twin rivet]

Flood gain >>>

[scarlet prairie]

They sell magick tonics in half the shops I see (much to my chagrin :p) and fields loves giving you mini tonics for 10 a pop.

[unique onyx]

Literally one of the worst ones lol

[bronze stream]

its just that its rare to be spending a lot of mana that fast and also not completely murdering the whole screen very fast

[thick coral]

ngl i dont even remember the last time i bought a magick tonic lmfao

[twin rivet]

Thought so too, but it's so nice if you use a lot of magick

[unique onyx]

It’s nice if you use a lot of magic in bursts and then don’t use much between the bursts

[scarlet prairie]

Yeah, if you're spending 100 magick every second you probably already won.

[unique onyx]

Still would rather have born gain or Apollo gain

[scarlet prairie]

New Lucid Gain is so stupid and ridiculous lol.

[bronze stream]

i think the best you can say about flood gain is there's cases where it works, but not cases where its strictly better than the really good gains

[unique onyx]

Even in best case scenario for it

[rose canyon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/comments/1nyj0y2/did_the_devs_make_a_mistake

[wispy storm]

one of the reason I'm kinda against the born gain is one size fits all take is because it's hard to run out of magick in general when having any gain boon as long as you're not playing antithetically like staying a mile away with aphrodite or not casting with apollo

so the few times i have actually completely ran out is with hera gain, because no amount of better play with lengthen the fuse, it's just how many bottles you pick up

[brazen wolf]

FINALLY ARES SHOWS HIS FACE

[fallen monolith]

real gamers max The Huntress arcana and go no regen at all

[thorny adder]

It also sucks with vow of hubris :)

[noble egret]

you cant constantly charge omegas on aphro though cuz charging interrupts regen

also picking up tiny white circles on white background for ares 😆

[thorny adder]

Like, it’s not terrible, but you have to invest so much into mana bottles it’s disgusting

[agile crag]

Melinoe

[bronze stream]

with aphro you just dont want the rarity to be too low or its kinda booty cheeks

[agile crag]

Melinoe

[scarlet prairie]

You are constantly gaining magick from things like bones, Persistence, unavoidable magick tonics, and shops that it's never really an issue. And you don't ever have to do anything to have the gain pop unlike most others.

[thick coral]

does the duo boon of aphro and poseidon affect the gain?

[agile crag]

Nemesis

[crude dragon]

It does

[twin rivet]

Dude why the hell is Heph refusing to give me his special
I got him thrice and used 5 rerolls already 😭

[thick coral]

had to make sure haha

[agile crag]

I forgor the name of the short hair chick with the Black wings

[crude dragon]

Eris

[agile crag]

Eris my goat i love her sm

[wintry mantle]

I gotta beat typhon two more times

[agile crag]

Can you beat Goku tho?

[agile crag]

A thing of beauty, i know...

[wet epoch]

when ps5 release ?

[winged tiger]

How do you guys keep track of mel when playing? There’s so much color on screen so my eyes get lost :(

[wet epoch]

u'll get the hang of it no worries 😄

[devout cairn]

i don't look at mel very much it's better to keep track of the enemies and their projectiles

[winged tiger]

I wish there was some kind of outline option

[thick coral]

gotta get used to it

[winged tiger]

Fair, but I don’t know how to position myself because of all the things going on

[grave kite]

Pls rate the game
Artstyle 1-10
Gameplay 1-10
Musik 1-10
Story (ignore ending) 1-10
Story (with ending) 1-10

[agile crag]

Follow the green

[wispy storm]

the missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't

[bronze stream]

chatroom isnt really a good place for poll responses..

[thick coral]

all ten, except the story is a 7, with or without its ending

[jaunty marsh]

10, 10, 10, 8, 9.

[thick coral]

which i think is pretty good for a roguelike tbh

[wispy storm]

all 10s i love this game (this is a fan server so you will get exclusively high responses )

[devout cairn]

0 0 0 10 10

[winged tiger]

But there’s green elsewhere too. And also everything is basically the same saturation, so I have to frantically search all over my screen for her

[grave kite]

What do you dislike about the story

[grave kite]

What do you dislike about the story

[thick coral]

nothing really, i just think its an ok story, there is nothing to ''hate'' but nothing to ''love'' either

[winged tiger]

Idk if there’s some kind of trick for finding her in screen quickly or anything, but all tips help

[wispy storm]

-# i'm trying to understand but she's generally in the middle of the screen ?

[crude minnow]

achievment question || for godsent hexes, do I need to actually get enough points to unlock the godsent hex for it to count? ||

[wispy storm]

with mouse the perspective can shift, but playing with controller melinoe is dead center almost 100% of gametime

[jaunty marsh]

I think they probably should have stepped away from the 10 runs to finish the main story mould as the story pacing feels off - would have been nice if it was like, 15-20 won runs to better flesh out each side of it.

[winged tiger]

Yes in general. But if there’s many enemies near by it’s very easy to lose track of where she is and where to go to avoid bumping into them

[agile crag]

Use yout conjure BLUE circle spell

[winged tiger]

Maybe it’s just a skill issue though idk

[agile crag]

You can lower the amount of effects tho but the game is só pretty 😿

Its a beautiful art piece

I wish the greek were real, also witches

[wispy storm]

are you like playing on a small or far away screen because that might be it

[rose canyon]

yes, unlock them so it counts

[winged tiger]

No my screen is pretty big and it’s on my desk as normal

[gusty jasper]

hello guys, I have a question I couldn't find answer anywhere : how do you get gigaros dash from the beggining of a run ?

[hasty ocean]

You need a postgame keepsake

[gusty jasper]

postgame ?

need to finish the story?

[twin rivet]

Why is Prometheus the first fear target or whatever for coat 😭

[thick coral]

i hate the coat so much, i hope it gets removed

[hasty ocean]

Once you beat the game, give Hades a nectar and he'll give you a keepsake that'll give you a random Hades boon

[thick coral]

having to do runs with this weapon to get all achievements is cancer to my heart and brain

[gusty jasper]

Ah ok, but by "beating the game" you mean not only beating chronos once right

[violet matrix]

again, can nemesis challenge me to kill competition in erebus? and if someone knows, if she shows up at the beginning of the run, can she show up later as well?

[hasty ocean]

Rolling the credits and seeing the endjng

[next knoll]

haven't had an experience ruined so thoroughly since Game of Thrones

[thick coral]

ey its not as bad as game of thrones

game of thrones is in a tier of itself

[next knoll]

it is, down to disrespecting the main characters and taking away all of their agency for a cheap laugh and shallow resolution

[jolly hound]

That makes me nervous idk how they’d wrap up this story without dumb time travel

[fathom lake]

Hmmmmm No.

[devout cairn]

so true

[thick coral]

it didnt have my experience ruined because i never cared about the story, but i think it was kinda bound to happen this way tbh

[fathom lake]

Was it Mid?
Maybe a bit
But please dont put it SO low

[normal mountain]

I can't believe how much they nurfed eris. - I miss the pre EA eris. - she was actually genuinely challenging. - - now she's nothing more than wet paper bag on my way to the mountain.

[devout cairn]

same, in hades 1 zagreus becomes a "security specialist" to justify the roguelike stuff, i wasn't expecting shakespeare with hades 2 so I loved everything about it

[fathom lake]

I love/hate how Zagreus saves everyone just by being Zagreus [we love him for that but come on]

[next knoll]

don't want to be mean just to be mean, but being emotionally involved in the stellar writing for all of EA just to have it crush and burn like that does make me angry

[fathom lake]

I almost wish we never got zagreus but i never think that far

[tranquil wren]

I was an EA player and I loved the ending

[thick coral]

i also think any story, with any kind of time travel gimmicks in it and overly powerful enemies, will almost always end horribly, so this being ''mid'' was better than expected tbh

[devout cairn]

i loved the ending for my boy prometheus ✊ 😔

fug the gods 🗣️

[still dagger]

question about medea, she asked me to get her ||tears, I already did that and I gave her the boiled tears, then she gave me an incantation. the incantation doesn't show up at the cauldron, where is it? I assumed I could use it after beating Chronos but nothing showed up||

[fathom lake]

Hes he only one i waited for
Hades 2 its just Mel and Zag side story the real one was Prometheus

[next knoll]

the part where all the main characters lost their agency, the part where the checkov's gun was placed on display|| and played off for a cheap laugh||, the part where the villain that was built from the ground up to have no redeeming quality ||suddenly became the character i'm supposed to root for || or...?

[still dagger]

please no spoilers about the endings 😩

[fathom lake]

||I love how Hypnos got resolved because i just KNEW it was going to be a joke lmfao||

[tranquil wren]

I don't want this channel to become what #h2-story-discussion is currently

[buoyant matrix]

she doesn't give you an incantation, she gets another offering in her pool

[still dagger]

can I get a hint on where I'm supposed to get Soot?

[buoyant matrix]

only available after the main ending

[next knoll]

im just gonna go and vent there thanks

[buoyant matrix]

read its description in your inventory

[still dagger]

I'm guessing this is after I unlock ||Dissolution of Time?||

[buoyant matrix]

not after unlocking it, after DOING it

[still dagger]

cause O'

[fathom lake]

Yeah no thx
Better Gameplay
Mid.-ish/Good Story Not as good as the first one but good enough
THats how i rank the game

[tender oxide]

What did I just entered into

[crude dragon]

Please look forward to it

[fathom lake]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise ledge]

I'm dissapointed there are no voicelines for when you (new keepsake spoiler) ||purge a boon for gold using the watch in the choosing room. Neither your first or second choices say anything||

[tender oxide]

Gonna be honest with a slight hot take about all this:
Who plays a roguelike/lite for the story?

[wise ledge]

Most of the hades players?

[next cargo]

actually a lot of people

[buoyant matrix]

hades 1 had an excellent story so most of us had expectations

[crude dragon]

People who played the first game and were pleasantly surprised by how good the story was

[tranquil wren]

"slight hot take" is crazy

[crude minnow]

please use the story disucssion guys lets not do spoilers here

[fathom lake]

Hot take-er It met them for me

[trim tulip]

SGG is a studio known for making good stories. Hades was a story-focused roguelike. Hades 2 seemed to be setting up an amazing story so far.
It's completely fair and understandable that people expected something here.

[mint moon]

Guys, "life savings" buff from narcissus just wont come out

[still dagger]

I like a good story. always adds a layer of meaning, and Hades did a good job with it

[mint moon]

The only prerequisite is to have a missing death defiance right? Or am i missing something

[crude dragon]

||The fact that Mel never once challenges the gods for their treatment of mortals like Arachne, Echo, or Heracles in the main or side stories is pretty disappointing||

[still dagger]

when I check Artemis' offerings there's a boon I can't find but shows up in the fated list. what're the prerequisites?

[buoyant matrix]

i had the one that heals you not show up for a ridiculously long time, the rng can get brutal, you just have to keep at it

[crude minnow]

there one || that requires a hex ||

[ebon sigil]

playing through on godmode to try to understand the fights... man, what having a decent build and weapon aspect do for you. ||I got creamed by Eris or Prometheus on base lvl axe or staff or cloak, but I unlocked circe staff, got a familiar, had zeus on special and cast with a lot of poms on cast, and freeze on attack, and I walked past prometheus and beat typhon on my first try... I guess time to turn down godmode percentage.||

[crude dragon]

Need to get your relationship up high enough, it's essentially her Legendary

[mint moon]

Guess its just rng then. Goddamn it narcissus! Stop looking at the water and give me your life savings

[iron wagon]

what happens when you take gift gift gift with experimental hammer? does it give you another hammer or does it do nothing?

[tender oxide]

Not to discredit Hades 1's story (I didn't finished it) but most roguelikes I played either had very surfaced level story or a basic yet good one told throughout it (gone under for example)

[crude minnow]

wait sorry nvm

[crude dragon]

It's not his life savings, though

[buoyant matrix]

it does

[iron wagon]

nothing or another hammer?

[crude dragon]

Maybe you should

[buoyant matrix]

another hammer

[next cargo]

how many times do I have to go to chaos for this chant buff I already have one aether

[tender oxide]

I already have enough games to play (plus hades 2)

[crude dragon]

Just sleep less :3

[trim tulip]

It gives you another hammer, but that lasts way less. Though you should be fine if you're taking it in the last biome

[ebon sigil]

Hades 1 had a great story. Still a peak game, favorite game I may have ever played... but I can tell Hades 2 has a ton more that I want to explore... hope I like the story as good.

I liked Hades 1 because the story was light and the characters were funny. I guess I wish Hades 2 had more whimsical moments and snark... but it's darker and not as funny. I like Nemesis's snark, but she's not as fun as Zag in Hades 1.

[fathom lake]

I love how Gift Gift Gift its either extremely mid or straight up overpowered lmfao

[ionic topaz]

i reached post-game and nightmare order still not unlocked, any idea how?

[next cargo]

what

[buoyant matrix]

gift gift gift with moros pin 🫀

[ionic topaz]

nightmare at Charon stash

[ebon sigil]

It's not guaranteed to be there.

you'll need to get 8 Nightmares throughout your save file to make it available.

[ionic topaz]

i fully upgrade 2 aspects, so must be 10 nightmare now

[ebon sigil]

maybe less, I think I have it in my crossroads broker and I only have 5... or are you talking last shop?

[mystic dust]

I'm really upset, 100 nights and I still haven't gotten the Hephaestus Legendary.

[buoyant matrix]

run the reroll corner with excellence

[mystic dust]

I don't know how to get the chaos one either.

[crude minnow]

try surface with rerolls in first area

[buoyant matrix]

use your rerolls on miniboss rooms when you meet the reqs

[merry whale]

dw i haven't gotten apollo, hestia, and heph legendaries ever

[crude minnow]

the || chant one? you need a duo boon before talking to him, can get it in chaos trials too which is easier ||

[buoyant matrix]

that one's just luck, it's pretty rare too

[ebon sigil]

is the legendary percent increase a good arcana card?

[crude dragon]

Not normally

[buoyant matrix]

no

[crude dragon]

With the post-game keepsakes, it becomes better, but you're not always going to build for those

[merry whale]

legendaries are fun but don't shift the game really besides ares who actually needs it or else plasma is just useless

[mystic dust]

I swear my bad luck is incredible, I've been looking for him for 2 days.

If I only need 8 achievements and one is to get all the blessings for Hephaestus

[next cargo]

actually didn't have a problem looking for Hephaestus

[mystic dust]

On top of that, Hephaestus has my favorite blessings, I don't know why I can't get them.

[tranquil wren]

which achievement requires that?

[mystic dust]

the dark sentinel I created

[brazen wolf]

So from level 2 to 5 a heroic Apollo attack goes from 120% to 165%, jesus

[elfin heron]

A co op mode would go so hard

[tranquil wren]

?

[next cargo]

my favorite boon rn is the one that upgrades them over encounters

[buoyant matrix]

self made goal

[mystic dust]

I got confused and it wasn't that one

[tranquil wren]

the only sentinel achievement I know is unseen sentinel where you just need to unlock all aspects

[mystic dust]

Yes, I looked for it there, I'm missing the one from Artemisa

[next cargo]

Artemisa?

[crude dragon]

Artemis

[mystic dust]

The one that Artemis gives you, it's just that I don't know which one it is.

[mystic dust]

Where I come from, gods are written differently

[crude minnow]

for the blessings that require DD, can I use lucky tooth (and proc it) to make them show up?

[crude dragon]

Well, it's the weapon she has an aspect for

[lunar merlin]

bro ||eris vow of rivals|| is straight up unfair 😭

[crude minnow]

it becomes a lot easier the more xp you have with it, but yes still a bit stressful

[crude dragon]

What part are you having trouble with? The mines?

[scarlet prairie]

Attack the bombs to get rid of them and you have the entire field to play around in.

Eris herself doesn't do that much damage with Lucifer aspect, if you have to choose between being merced by a mine and grazed by Eris, take Eris.

[fathom lake]

The Enemy of Melee weapons

[scarlet prairie]

Sister Baldes and Coat have specials... Axe tho yeah it's rough.

[crude dragon]

Axe has the Ospecial if it's not the hidden

[idle crater]

if all else fails you can get a throw your cast boon

[scarlet prairie]

Yeah but that can be unreliable and costs mana and takes a charge time.

[crude dragon]

And if it is the hidden, grab Apollo attack and spin

[buoyant matrix]

for axe, your base attack outranges the pulses

[ebon wing]

So should I make a fresh save for the full version of the game like if I use my old save are story beats gonna be messed up

[buoyant matrix]

personally i kept my ea save the story beats are pretty small and insignifi- holy crap is that freaky house

[visual badge]

have they fixed getting softlocked in the path of stars menu? or is my run just cooked

[prisma monolith]

youre cooked

jk idk

[tranquil wren]

you can get softlocked in the path of stars menu? is there a way to avoid that?

[buoyant matrix]

i don't think you can

[prisma monolith]

the way it was meant to be
MOON? GOLD!

[buoyant matrix]

if you have excess upgrades and max it out, it'll just throw you out and never offer upgrades again for the rest of the run

[visual badge]

Idk, I just can't choose or click anything I'm stuck in the menu

[wise ledge]

Is aspect of Anubis considered good?

[prisma monolith]

yes

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[scarlet prairie]

Very.

[wise ledge]

I really didn't like it in the chaos trial, now I'll have to make a full run with it for the prophecy. But I have a feeling I won't like it still

[little frost]

doesn't the trial give you like apollo attack or something

[wise ledge]

Probably, I don't remember

[bronze stream]

i didn't understand at first how important the omega special is for anubis

so i was like 'okay theres a circle and things in it get hurt but im not exactly blown away here'

[buoyant matrix]

it does

[tranquil wren]

are there even any bad aspects?

[buoyant matrix]

run it with hestia attack and a beefy %boost on special

[wise ledge]

OH YES

[buoyant matrix]

shiva and pan

[tranquil wren]

oh lol fair

[scarlet prairie]

Pizza didn't you bemoan me for being in EA brain... I thought Shiva was OK now :p

[bronze stream]

i think shiva is more just polarizing

[scarlet prairie]

I also still think Shiva sucks... it's way too situational to put in good damage...

[tranquil wren]

I did fine with shiva in its chaos trial

tbf none of the trials have been difficult at all, except for maybe the white antler in oceanus

[snow elk]

[velvet cave]

Shiva is held back by its outlandish magic requirement but it’s a great aspect

[scarlet prairie]

Shiva really needs a huge magick battery.

And for what... OK damage? After 2 Ospecials?

[velvet cave]

It’s crazy to me Pan didn’t get any direct buffs for 1.0 but the Poseidon fix does help it indirectly

[scarlet prairie]

Pan was good before they killed it.......................................

[velvet cave]

Omega special, hold omega attack to block while the ball is bouncing, then release at 3 stacks. Thousands of damage in a big area

It does struggle more against bosses since a lot of their attacks are unblockable though

That, and they move around a lot

[scarlet prairie]

That's slow though lol.

Any other aspect can probably room clear by the time you do all that.

[velvet cave]

It is safer than some others though

I wouldn’t put it at S myself but I think it’s too far to compare it to Pan at the very bottom

[scarlet prairie]

What Aspect do you even play for Dagger these days.

[velvet cave]

Dagger is kinda carried by Morrigan

[scarlet prairie]

Besides Morrigan.

[velvet cave]

If I can’t pick Morrigan I would choose Mel I suppose

[serene helm]

Does anyone know if certain gods are linked to certain Selene boons? I only need Hera’s for the fated list of prophecies.

[velvet cave]

Yes, each hex has a specific god it needs to be Godsent

You can check in the boon list which one you need for which hex (it can be a lot of scrolling tho)

[serene helm]

Looks like it’s night bloom I need

[velvet cave]

I believe that’s correct for Hera

Godsents are retroactive now so you can get the hex first if you need to

[wise ledge]

If you think about it, anubis is just a cast build integrated into an aspect

[bronze stream]

not quite

[ebon wing]

so was hermes always this damn shiny or is this a 1.0 thing

[prisma monolith]

been getting shinier thru the updates

[ebon wing]

bro is glistening

[fathom lake]

Attack its techincally a strange lookin g cast so ummm yeah kind of?

[prisma monolith]

all gods, not just hermes

[scenic gust]

Reckless Abanddon is trolling

[fathom lake]

yes

[scenic gust]

Beside Supay, can't find any other good application for that wicked

[prisma monolith]

yeah is actually detrimental most of thje time

[ebon wing]

OH damn your right everybody is shining like damn crazy

I see the fit zeus no need to blind me

[velvet cave]

Reckless abandon is so bad it’s not even required for Dio’s minor prophecy

[bronze stream]

thats odd

[crude minnow]

if you have air quality and a fast hitting wep thats the 1 time

[bronze stream]

air quality is so niche it makes me want to actually find and try the use cases

like "if its that specific, the time it does work has gotta go crazy'

i know its good with gust at least

[little frost]

air quality is pretty sweet tbh tbh

[prisma monolith]

air quality is trash

[fathom lake]

My Main problem with Air Quality its that it cant crit

[jolly wing]

What causes Chaos to appear on the Surface for the first time?

[wise ledge]

Doesn't air quality pair well with chain lightning?

[prisma monolith]

rng

[smoky rover]

finally reached unseen 1

curses upon SG for deleting all my zsand and vlens, this took a bit

[crude dragon]

Well yeah, because it's somehow considered his "Legendary" like Whispered Prayer or Full Service

[fathom lake]

Sometimes

I think its good when you have a lot of quality boons

[smoky rover]

air quality + poseidon waves?

[jolly wing]

Do I need to unlock Chaos trials first?

[fathom lake]

If you have a terrible dmg then yes

[prisma monolith]

dont think so

[crude dragon]

It's either doing enough Chaos Trials or surface runs, because their dialogue when you first see them up there is something to the effect of "I saw you doing what would have once been considered impossible and decided I might try and do the same"

[smoky rover]

well if you didn't, then air quality is never good

[little frost]

chaos on the surface can happen like room one of ephyra and then on olympus

[unreal bear]

Hey, does anyone know if there is a way of spawning the sea monster miniboss? I want to do some higher vow of rivals, but after beating the game and having done like 60 nights it never spawns and apparently the reqirement for that vow is to beat them all. It's frustrating

[crude dragon]

Nope, just gotta hope Thessaly is cooperative

[tranquil wren]

in my runs I always seem to run into charybdis

[scenic gust]

luck. And pray the captain ain't stealing the miniboss spot

[unreal bear]

I beat his ... like 5 times

[muted ingot]

is surface route generally considered the harder of the two?

[tranquil wren]

yea

[crude dragon]

Yes, although that does change somewhat when you start going into the Vow of Rivals

[tranquil wren]

^
also surface route lets you make a build a lot easier

[fathom lake]

I like surface a lot

[muted ingot]

yeah I love ephyra

[prisma monolith]

yeah because they make you fight the surface enemies

[broken adder]

@feral zephyr

[honest solar]

how do i force myself to start with a hammer

[tranquil wren]

afaik you cannot

[broken adder]

Does anyone know this person

[crude dragon]

That's the neat thing, you don't

[feral zephyr]

yes?

[broken adder]

Dm wanna talk please

[fathom lake]

Sometimes when you dont equip any Olympian keepsakes if theres not a forced Olympian youll get it

[devout cairn]

🤨

[crude dragon]

Concern

[tranquil wren]

chat is this w rizz

[rose canyon]

LMAO

[crude dragon]

Bro's gonna wake up tomorrow in a tub full of ice, missing a kidney and lung

[naive torrent]

If you don't start with an Olympian keepsake what keepsake do y'all like to start with?

[tranquil wren]

phial

[crude minnow]

end game spoiler || pom||

[wise ledge]

Pre-ending? Figurine.
Now? ||Pom||

Post-ending keepsakes are goated

[rose canyon]

Whats the figurine again

[fathom lake]

||Pom Zagreus Phial? Or Concave Stone and Odysseus one||

[neon remnant]

Hey guys, I've been missing 2 blessings for quite a while now, one being malice in kind from medea and the other one being renewed faith from athene, do I need to have death defiances that night for those to appeaR? Im playing strength over death so I hardly ever run those, wonder if it's related

[muted ingot]

draw arcana after boss

[prisma monolith]

endgame spoiler || ||

[honest solar]

i keep retrying at hades's ||keepsake|| why do i never get the ||giagaros dash||

[rose canyon]

Ohh

[prisma monolith]

rng

[honest solar]

i die 20 time

[rose canyon]

Cmon dyno

[prisma monolith]

praise trhe fates

[wise ledge]

Idk, I get it often

[crude minnow]

|| pom zag//chronos (i use both but might flip the order)) and then room 4 depends on what might help ||

[tranquil wren]

ah darn
surely if you're running strength you'll get railed if you draw dds

[prisma monolith]

whats the context? draw from what

[honest solar]

how

[muted ingot]

I think dds + strength is only bad when you have to spend grasp

[tranquil wren]

circe keepsake

[prisma monolith]

rng

[tranquil wren]

true

[wise ledge]

https://i.imgur.com/CXjzrko.png

[rose canyon]

How do I get the new keepsakes

[wise ledge]

Man, they disabled embeds
I've got all achievements finally

[neon remnant]

Can't get malice in kind from medea and renewed faith from athene, bad rng or do i need to run some death defiances? I dont run any

[prisma monolith]

post credits

[crude dragon]

Nice, now you can move on

[crude dragon]

They require you to have DDs, yes

[fathom lake]

||how to gift chronos?||

[rose canyon]

Congratulations!!

[prisma monolith]

man ofc you need death defiances

[honest solar]

how tho

[crude dragon]

||Post-Erebus room||

[rose canyon]

I'm stuck at 30/50 still

[prisma monolith]

you know how rng works? is random

[neon remnant]

Wtf and im spamming run to get those

[crude dragon]

Also, did they finally make Malice in Kind not show up if you run Strength? Thank God

[honest solar]

how to do i make random in my favor

[prisma monolith]

you dont

[crude minnow]

question end game spoiler || if you get +dmg on DD from hades pom, and then get athena DD for each room, can you stack it for each room and end up with like +200%? ||

[naive torrent]

Any tips for judgment arcana runs ?

[prisma monolith]

yes

[neon remnant]

this should be written in requirements regarding those two blessings

[crude dragon]

Start Pig

[amber oasis]

Honestly start pig regardless

[prisma monolith]

its kinda obvious, how you gon get death defiance stuff with no death defiance

[crude dragon]

You can, yes

[crude minnow]

second question, if I proc lucky tooth does that work for DD refill from npcs?

[prisma monolith]

yes

[crude minnow]

thanks

[amber oasis]

Being able to gamble on getting judgement on a full arcana run and rolling up to the final boss with an entire deck of tarot cards is its own reward

[crude dragon]

At that point, I'd just run Toula

[tribal yew]

Hades 2 has so much more hearts than 1

[prisma monolith]

haelian did it months ago when they added the boon

[prisma monolith]

many more characters yeah

[crude dragon]

Also more stuff to do around the Crossroads

[tribal yew]

Characters have more hearts too

[prisma monolith]

some have more, some have less

[naive torrent]

Is the Artemis keepsake good?

[prisma monolith]

is god tier

easily one of the best

[rose canyon]

Is it

[prisma monolith]

it is

[crude dragon]

It is 30% global crit rate, 50% with Cherished Heirloom

[tribal yew]

I gave Dora 7 bottles of nectar, 2 of bathsalts, one fishbait and 2 ambrosia and she's still not done. And you can't even romance her

[devout cairn]

yeah just dont get hit

[rose canyon]

I don't like being limited to 30 hp

[prisma monolith]

and then theres charon with like 5 or 6

[prisma monolith]

thats ok, the keepsake is still great for those that are ok with 30 hp

[crude dragon]

The 30% global crit rate vastly outweighs the downside if you go into free hit stuff like Trusty Shield and Snow Queen

[crude minnow]

you can get armour with it and remember crit is 3x dmg

[naive torrent]

I got eris to 6 hearts and she is still trying to gaslight me to hate the other characters im not giving her any more hearts

[prisma monolith]

with the crit chance stuff dies before they can hit you meaning you have more hp

[tribal yew]

I currently have Charon on 6 nectar and 1 ambrosia and he's asking for more

[crude dragon]

Which other characters

[rose canyon]

Is Strength + Artemis keepsake a good combo?

[crude dragon]

It would work together, yes

[prisma monolith]

ofc, loads of dmg

[naive torrent]

She has a line where she says that the characters of the crossroads think you are going to fail to melinoe

[devout cairn]

god she's so cool

[rose canyon]

Odysseus and Hecate specifically xD

[honest solar]

any weapon works?

[prisma monolith]

yes

you cant force it bro, you just cant

[muted ingot]

do you guys prefer wayward son or swift runner more assuming the same awakening boons are active in either case

[crude dragon]

Wayward Son

[prisma monolith]

wayward son cause it has zag in it

[crude dragon]

You absolutely will notice when you don't have 5 HP healed every room

[lunar cobalt]

been playing h2 for a couple of hours now and gotta say, that ranged is far more superior, or is it only me?

[prisma monolith]

just you

[rose prism]

first day on hades 2, my impressions are that the power up system is a bit confusing, the deck of card is alright but the recolt system doesn't hit right, you don't know what you are upgrading with plants you don't care about, you get some silver but can't find bronze for the fishing rode

[prisma monolith]

is normal for new players to gravitate towards ranged for the safety

[prisma monolith]

what about the power up system is confusing

[lunar cobalt]

yes my thoughts exactly, but still, melee feels clumsy

[muted ingot]

you can get a lot of extra damage from placing your cast right on enemies

[prisma monolith]

it will become better as you play more

[lunar cobalt]

its not like h1

[thick coral]

is there anyway to track prophecies?

[buoyant elbow]

The daggers are insanely powerful

[prisma monolith]

the list

[thick coral]

i mean through your inventory

[prisma monolith]

arguably the worst weapon

[rose prism]

yeah switched to it and it was easier then i try the axe and it was very uncomfortable

[dim cosmos]

im doing the postgame and im missing ||"one o the requirements of the prophecy, the "the one who rebels against gods" one, who is it??? i literally have everyone maxed out except for odysseus and hecate, is it odysseus?||

[prisma monolith]

prometheus

[tranquil wren]

||prometheus||

[naive torrent]

Axe is the most fun weapon in the game imo all of its upgrades have a unique play style and all work pretty well

[buoyant elbow]

Art daggers are my favorite and then the hidden aspect daggers are a lot of fun too

[dim cosmos]

and how do i get that, ive been playing for like forever and i havent progressed at all

[prisma monolith]

fight him

[tranquil wren]

just keep fighting him (non-rivals)

can also do chaos trials with him I believe

[dim cosmos]

it must require a lot of runs bc ive done dozens of runs since ive finished the game lol

[tranquil wren]

took me like 5 or so

[crude dragon]

Well, that might be because bronze isn't found in Erebus

[prisma monolith]

thats the only way to do it, so just gotta keep going at it

[dim cosmos]

maybe it was because of rivals but i dont remember turning it on so much

[tranquil wren]

there's so much of rivals dialogue you need to get out of the way once you turn it off

[dim cosmos]

yeah it must have been that

thank yall 🙏

[tranquil wren]

I still need to behold rivals typhon but I'm holding it off until I get ||Heracle|| checked off

[rose prism]

i'm not surprised but in most game silver > bronze

[prisma monolith]

thats not how it works, specific metals are found in specific places

[buoyant elbow]

Difficulty wise vor typhon felt like a joke to me but chronos caught me off guard

[neon remnant]

what do i have to do to progress my selene bond? says something about her weapon but i have all weapons fully upgraded alrdy

[fathom lake]

Same

[crude dragon]

Every region in the game has its own mineral, seed, flower, and fishes

[crude dragon]

Just gotta get her to roll the correct dialogue, then

[tranquil wren]

I struggled with unrivalled kronos so hard, but I didn't realise I didn't need to kill him

[bronze marlin]

I might go as far to say: if you activate rivals 3, might as well use 4 on the surface. the fight is just longer and if your damage is terrible it will become a problem

[crude dragon]

Might also need to be using the moon coat when you do so, but IDK on that one

[buoyant elbow]

Yeah lowkey my biggest gripe with this game is that I didn’t even need to beat the vor final bosses for the achievements

[prisma monolith]

they kept the achievements accessible for players who arent that hardcore

[tranquil wren]

I'm happy about that lol
although I would've accepted there being trial VoR fights for all bosses

[devout cairn]

where's my night's champion achievement 😡

[buoyant elbow]

Forcing 100+ hrs of gameplay doesn’t make it “accessible”

[tranquil wren]

the difficulty increased from H1 though imo

[prisma monolith]

whats forcing you 100hrs of gameplay?

[tranquil wren]

it's better at least than H1 which was grindy and boring

[fathom lake]

Its more difficult but more accesible

[prisma monolith]

^

[buoyant elbow]

If I wanna 100% the game. I’m close but I have 60+ hrs already

[prisma monolith]

100% the game and 100% achievements are different things

[tranquil wren]

I've got 87 hours and I'm missing 14 achievements

[worn steppe]

||i killed typhon in like 1:30 with a nasty ass skull build||

[bronze marlin]

they could have made it "win 32/24 with every aspect" 😛 but they didn't as that takes a little longer

[prisma monolith]

you were playing from early access werent you?

[buoyant elbow]

Yeah but I’m referring to achievements

[tranquil wren]

yea

[prisma monolith]

so am i, what achievement is taking 100 hrs?

[buoyant elbow]

To complete them all organically/ even grinding for some

[tranquil wren]

so yeah I guess I could subtract about 40 hours from my total. but the experience definitely helped

[buoyant elbow]

I’ve done 20+ overworld runs and I still don’t have Prometheus done on the checklist

[prisma monolith]

i took a peek at the achievements and most stuff there can easily be completed below 50

[bronze marlin]

sounds about correct. I'm at ~80 hours on my fresh file and have 46/50

some stuff just takes forever to unlock. like certain incantations/dialogues. but I didn't necessarily do ONLY the achievements

[high steeple]

Have you played the first game before?

[buoyant elbow]

Right so my point being why make that specific achievement easier for the purpose of “accessibility”

[prisma monolith]

this is the issue

[buoyant elbow]

Yeah I 100% the first game

[prisma monolith]

youre not going for achievements specifically, youre just enjoying the game so is normal to take longer

[high steeple]

Btw does anyone know what the little symbols over the chamber rewards mean?

[tranquil wren]

requirements for incantations

[prisma monolith]

depends on the symbol

[buoyant elbow]

But you’re saying they made vor achievement easier for accessibility and I’m saying why do that if getting 100% achievements still takes roughly 100hrs

[jolly wing]

Is it worth burning 3 Rerolls for an Epic Quick Buck boon as a starting boon?

[bronze marlin]

a ressource you need is in that room if you marked an upgrade

[prisma monolith]

because it doesnt take roughly 100 hrs, just point me in the direction on what achievement might take that long?

[buoyant elbow]

Bro I’m 60+ in and I’m still waiting for specific dialogue

Any achievement that requires specific dialogue

[bronze marlin]

odysseus, looking at you buddy

[jolly hound]

Because 100 preventing n a game is way more work than beating a game

[tranquil wren]

andro means getting all achievements accumulatively takes 100+ hours, not just a single achievement

[prisma monolith]

and i disagree

after looking at the list, unless youre just doing random runs instead of actually fishing for what you need to do

[buoyant elbow]

I understand that but beating vor has nothing to do with beating the game

[limpid stream]

Stops playing H2 because Steam Deck is dying, goes to bed, wakes up, starts playing H2

[tranquil wren]

the runs build up over time. the chaos trials also take a while. you also have to beat the game with all aspects, which can be time consuming as well

[buoyant elbow]

Yes. My point was there’s no reason to make the vor achievement easier for it to be accessible whenever 100hrs to get all the achievements isn’t accessible

[prisma monolith]

yall, dont fight rivals scylla with paralyzing chaos, worst mistake of my life

[devout cairn]

I don't do achievement hunting and just passively get them, im like at 34/50 at 96 hours 😭

[prisma monolith]

is really not that hard if you actually do the achievements

[buoyant elbow]

Even if you achievement hunt you’re still gonna miss dialogue that takes forever to get

[tranquil wren]

I mean after the story the only thing I'm doing is focusing on getting achievements

[devout cairn]

after story i just focused on getting night's champion and the hidden aspects

[buoyant elbow]

It took me roughly 15ish hours to beat the story. I’ve now spent 45hrs going for achievements and still don’t have them all

How is that accessible?
That’s why vor should make you beat the final boss

[tranquil wren]

it took me 105 hours for H1 100% achievements, I'm assuming it'll take me the same time for H2

[high steeple]

I would usually upload a pic if discord wouldn‘t suck rn

[prisma monolith]

dm me

[devout cairn]

🤨

[fathom lake]

A coffee first?

[prisma monolith]

nectar on the house

[high steeple]

Apparently i‘m not allowed to upload pics in here

[prisma monolith]

no one is

[high steeple]

Oh for spoilers?

[prisma monolith]

to avoid spam

[high steeple]

Oh got it

[limpid stream]

Oh my god ||Toula|| is so much better than ||Frinos||

[prisma monolith]

debatable

[rose canyon]

you can love a character and still admit when they're wrong. we love Eris but we can acknowledge her flaws (she has none) and we can hold her accountable for her wrongdoings (she has never done anything wrong in her life) and call her out on her actions (which are always correct)

[limpid stream]

having something do damage is so much better than ||skipping a mini game|| imo

[devout cairn]

to avoid the horrible awful cluttering spam that #h2-discussion is known for, impossible to read even one message in here with how fast they go by!

[prisma monolith]

frinos does dmg, and blocks projectiles

[high steeple]

All familiars do damage

[limpid stream]

I never saw him do any

[prisma monolith]

you dont see it, but he does

[high steeple]

He takes the curse from Hecate when you fight her

[idle crater]

unupgraded frinos does damage? i thought you had to give him treats for that

[prisma monolith]

he blocks any projectile he comes in contact with

[devout cairn]

i think unupgraded he does 0

[high steeple]

Also unlike every other familiar you have to wake Toula so she fights

[limpid stream]

Maybe my Frinos just got it out dot me because I take that spell every time

[prisma monolith]

well unupgraded is another topic, im talking maxed

[prisma monolith]

you have to lead the orb to him

[limpid stream]

Ohhh

[idle crater]

i think zoe is talking unupgraded, it sounds like she only just unlocked toula

[limpid stream]

Maybe I’m the problem not Frinos

[prisma monolith]

id still take frinos for the projectile blocking

[latent elm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901043742788706328/1424836249029443737/image.png?ex=68e565a9&is=68e41429&hm=50602bc64c0bc6b3e4ab99e32fe5081d74c87970942044a7149d1224241c3611&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=767&height=731

[noble egret]

frinos is the og

[high steeple]

I love Toula for the extra death defiance

[limpid stream]

Yeah I got Toula last run

[latent elm]

[bleak solar]

How does Athena's Gorgon's amulet work? Does it work with Strength for instance?

[devout cairn]

i'd take frinos too, i dont like having to dash into toula for the damage, and i'm not big into its death defiance

[high steeple]

Damn

[prisma monolith]

toula is arguably the worst pet

[idle crater]

it works with strength

[high steeple]

U TAKE THAT BACK RN

[idle crater]

you just cant have any death defiances of any kind

[prisma monolith]

it works whenever you dont have death defiances, strenght or not

[noble egret]

hecuba is op cuz plankton dont spawn without it 😆

[devout cairn]

the only gripe i have with frinos is that typhon's red eye attack sometimes splits from him and messes up my dodging

[high steeple]

THEY DONT???

[prisma monolith]

thats a lie

[noble egret]

exaggeration

[devout cairn]

but that's minor

[limpid stream]

Free fish nice

[placid spruce]

How do you dodge the squid boss in the rift when he does the purple projectiles thath split into a bunch more smaller projectiles, I have never managed to not get hit at least once, there is so much

[prisma monolith]

hecuba does increases the chances of it spawning, but is not mandatory

[prisma monolith]

run

[devout cairn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1nyqtrv/psa_how_to_overcome_bullet_hell_from_a_certain/

[placid spruce]

Where😭

[prisma monolith]

away

[devout cairn]

watch video i linked

[placid spruce]

This is really helpful thanks

[prisma monolith]

thats a nice vid, i normally just run away

[placid spruce]

Omg im so doing that

[devout cairn]

running from one end to another works too

[crude dragon]

You bait them towards one end of the crescent and run to the other

[placid spruce]

Today I got to olympus for the first time and it was ROUGH

[devout cairn]

congratz twink

[crude dragon]

Lemme guess

Machine-gun Automatons?

[placid spruce]

YES